< 1326326401 333425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably, but the supply of flipped humans is remarkably low. < 1326326420 354159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Asimov (IIRC) story about a flipped human. < 1326326434 800467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has problems digesting, if I recall correctly. < 1326326443 641319 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me that sounds like an excuse for being able to patent the same thing twice. < 1326326452 604314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might not be altogether factually accurate. < 1326326459 878726 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not to mention being LEFT-HANDED < 1326326473 294342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but it won't have the same effect on a human, so why should they be equivalent patents? < 1326326474 407028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god. < 1326326505 259756 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1326326511 32417 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to think about this < 1326326522 399671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1326326538 988953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry)#In_biology < 1326326593 69137 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say there's a drug that works just like aspirin, except that a permutation f is built between humans such that it actually works on you (x) like aspirin would've worked on f(x) < 1326326613 746090 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i suppose the situation is a bit different < 1326326614 939228 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1326326625 847944 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bijection is built between humans and stones < 1326326641 269905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so maybe you win for now < 1326326655 607149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION victory dance
< 1326326656 621033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's the glove example (in Wikipedia). < 1326326715 630894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I've been told that d-LSD, which does stuff to people, has a stereoisomer l-LSD, which does not do anything. (But I doubt there are patent issues there.) < 1326326807 628789 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best description of lsd i've ever heard < 1326326855 533052 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A totally pure salt of LSD will emit small flashes of white light when shaken in the dark.[5] LSD is strongly fluorescent and will glow bluish-white under UV light. < 1326326856 955061 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1326326880 945189 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsd must be the second coming of fucking jesus o_O < 1326326939 358880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can hear God's voice if you put some in your ear. (Not true.) < 1326326996 24107 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd hear a lot of things < 1326327068 563833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was probably thinking of that seashell/ocean thing there. < 1326327223 276719 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1326328121 274701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why I say they should abolish patents < 1326328578 15448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done next recording of D&D game. < 1326328636 213382 :DeadlyFugu!~matt@220.247.179.25 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1326328658 252065 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think to understand patents you have to understand that investors need a way to protect their investments to avoid the investment market reducing to lowest common denominator of some kind < 1326328674 102766 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think patent system is nothing more than investment protection < 1326328686 950414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Now with itidus21's patented random topic destroyer | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326328709 442972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a topic? < 1326328711 636565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The patent system still needs to be adjusted a lot, even if they do not abolish it entirely. But my opinion is it should be abolished. < 1326328756 850050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yes, it said "We apologize for the recent topic change delay | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1326328804 301166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well recently i have heard about a flood of new laws in usa all of which are terrifying < 1326328836 84925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there is any hope for someone who isn't a cog in a corporation < 1326328913 115053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :New US law banning itidus21's patented random topic destroyer | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326328918 504063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 such danger which i guess is not a law is some items that were in public domain being pushed back into the non-public domain < 1326328925 235298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's best to nip this in the bud < 1326328942 366488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: How does that work? < 1326328970 913206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is the thing about how us military can now take you away if they want to < 1326328983 528712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.. i dunno if that one is gone though < 1326328994 139872 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again theres SOPA.. i dunno much about that, probably going through < 1326329002 942807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are certainly seems dumb laws < 1326329015 835027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno how factual i am being since i dont research well < 1326329035 422815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, theres also some business about changing the way the patent system works drastically < 1326329085 563648 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, hopefully they will correct it instead of making it stupid a second time. < 1326329100 607010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1326329112 723491 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obvious that humanity is doomed anyway so who gives a fuck < 1326329115 358769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard recently theyre looking into some kind of nicotine patch equivalent for marijuana using a mouth spray based on cannabis for helping addicts, after it was useed to help multiple sclerosis.. not sure about this either < 1326329118 65371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they probably don't know how to correct it < 1326329143 194992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: cannabis addiction? no such thing. < 1326329148 544626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the same way as nicotine. < 1326329161 980200 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't belive in nicotine addiction < 1326329177 996826 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been smoking half a pack a day for half a year and i don't have one < 1326329194 116117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually quit smoking cigars recently.
< 1326329203 740478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still smoke hookah occasionally but it's pretty much neglible to my health. < 1326329206 782789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like once a week at most. < 1326329212 293236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately it's been like a month. < 1326329214 923026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. in nigeria there was some kind of thing that 200,000 polio vaccinations contained some kind of stuff which can lead to problems giving birth < 1326329233 772711 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find random bits of troubling news i think < 1326329248 212467 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a smoking addiction, obviously. it's a fun way to pass time. but i don't actually feel anything if i skip a day or two. i just occasionally think i wish i had an excuse to go outside. < 1326329376 958178 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for caffeine addiction, but caffeine at least feels like a drug, nicotine doesn't even seem to have any sort of effect on me. i tried snus but it doesn't do anything. < 1326329411 123987 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for smoking, the first cigarette of the day feels nice, after that it's just an excuse to walk a bit and go outside. < 1326329417 328457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicotine is comparable to heroin in terms of addictive potential < 1326329426 438566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannabis, on the other hand, is incapable of creating a physical dependence. < 1326329433 156062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what a patch would accomplish < 1326329438 987388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from being another source of THC for someone to take. < 1326329461 243777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently they're able to take out the THC a bit or something < 1326329469 551798 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i assume it feels nice because you don't get as much oxygen as you need if you smoke passionately. < 1326329473 464146 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a bit dizzy < 1326329486 610260 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :snus doesn't have this, and probably for this reason never feels like anything < 1326329486 879839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: that's part of it < 1326329491 182929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get crazy light-headed when I smoke hookah < 1326329501 397305 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you take deep hits < 1326329530 69201 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you agree with my opinion on nicotine addiction? (that it's impossi) < 1326329532 80357 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ble < 1326329557 880350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1326329566 20136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>? < 1326329571 992781 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science has demonstrated that nicotine addiction is not merely possible but highly probable with nicotine intake. < 1326329592 859851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just me? or is the usual way to feel nicotine addiction that you feel (as always) that you need something to do with your hands, and nicotine addiction brings the memory to your brain that smoking gives something to do with them? < 1326329596 790983 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: No, but I agree that you have smoking addiction but not nicotine addiction, maybe? < 1326329629 335449 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have no idea what any sort of physical addiction is supposed to feel like. < 1326329638 952731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: like that. < 1326329686 353061 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have a physical addiction to sex, nicotine, occasionally alcohol, to math, to going to work, to my computer, and pretty much to anything that i occasionally want to do. < 1326329689 283572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to feel unpleasant. or strange. your brain isn't going to make you think "oh I want nicotine". it just becomes a habit regardless of how it's rationalized. < 1326329714 495020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: sure. some of those things are reasonable statements. < 1326329723 786650 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously cannabis is just as addictive as tobacco < 1326329729 856481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1326329730 298347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326329750 462572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a distinct difference between a normal habit and a physical addiction to a substance. < 1326329751 627769 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it actually does something to you, so you might want to avoid it when, say, at work. < 1326329755 910851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, different people are affected in different way < 1326329768 703388 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't get it < 1326329771 357390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is the difference! Sometimes. < 1326329779 331827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: uh, sure. that's irrelevant to the conversation. < 1326329812 206 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i suppose i don't have a physical addiction to sex < 1326329828 725132 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i actually feel that i need to have sex occasionally (90 times a day) < 1326329832 25281 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor food < 1326329854 31841 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor the computer, really < 1326329860 592273 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i specifically feel i want to use the computer < 1326329869 618244 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never specifically feel i want to smoke < 1326329879 322031 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just as well buy an energy drink or a cola < 1326329883 22421 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just costs way more < 1326329887 582739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't nicotine. < 1326329904 183514 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well note that i often do just buy another energy drink < 1326329912 161425 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i don't need to smoke for another 3 hours. < 1326329915 18197 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have another choice < 1326329944 72755 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really smoking and caffeine are my only physical addictions, the only ones that i can just change for anything else to do with my hands. < 1326329945 589167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously I think you're probably in some stage of denial about it. It's not controversial opinion that nicotine has similar addictive potential to other highly addictive drugs such as morphene and heroin. < 1326329983 956070 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried heroin, but if it's as awesome as it sounds i doubt i could continue my life without retrying it every now and then. < 1326329986 276092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smoked for several months and could immediately notice that I was addicted. < 1326330029 145691 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when it's cold outside i don't smoke, i fill a bottle of water and drink it. < 1326330056 102054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of the most addictive and detrimental substances to humanity are perfectly legal. < 1326330061 218167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, theres also some business about changing the way the patent system works drastically -- After six years, Congress is once again considering Patent Reform legislation in the form of the America Invents Act (S. 23). At the heart of the bill is a shift from a first-to-invent to first-inventor-to-file system. < 1326330121 454782 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then again theres SOPA.. i dunno much about that, probably going through -- The originally proposed bill would allow the U.S. Department of Justice, as well as copyright holders, to seek court orders against websites accused of enabling or facilitating copyright infringement. < 1326330130 412374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there nicotine-free cigarettes? < 1326330143 192865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1326330144 950927 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that would be the easiest way to check < 1326330146 441212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbal cigarettes and such. < 1326330162 377222 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "e-cigarettes" which are basically just vaporizers. they're healthier but more expensive. < 1326330177 604045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heard recently theyre looking into some kind of nicotine patch equivalent for marijuana -- http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120110/Now-cannabis-mouth-spray-to-help-e28098pote28099-addicts-quit.aspx < 1326330187 913000 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1326330191 752570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can roll your own cigarettes or smoke out of a pipe, which has fewer additives. It's still bad for you though. But much cheaper and slightly less harmful. < 1326330220 669073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I'm confused as to how the inverse transform can produce a non-periodic signal, as well. < 1326330232 272025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I can't take anything seriously when it says "pot addicts" < 1326330254 391528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also.. in nigeria there was some kind of thing that 200,000 polio vaccinations contained some kind of stuff which can lead to problems giving birth -- http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2004/mar/04031101 < 1326330282 296028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i've heard that heroin addicts start shaking and stuff if they don't get heroin < 1326330296 21262 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also heard this about nicotine, but that's obviously not true < 1326330297 498897 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they're actually making an Ender's Game film. Should I be horrified preemptively? < 1326330301 21066 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and caffeine < 1326330348 354662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's definitely exaggerated a bit in movies, for example. but yes there are withdrawal symptoms of both heroin and nicotine... < 1326330357 31732 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean why the fuck is it called physical addiction if there are absolutely no physical signs o_O < 1326330364 912780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1326330366 521345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1326330385 109232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, caffeine's withdrawal symptoms tend to be in the form of headaches. < 1326330388 223555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: perhaps you should try heroin, then. < 1326330392 842356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you realize that if a/b is irrational, then e^(iat) + a^(ibt) is not periodic? :) < 1326330400 624647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1326330405 639703 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i just said i would probably never want to give that up < 1326330408 53089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol a/b is irrational < 1326330411 156158 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that be a good choice for me? < 1326330411 420727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e^(iat) + e^(ibt) < 1326330429 76386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no I did not know that. < 1326330577 67215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth then < 1326330584 606557 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really... < 1326330595 475820 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just something I'll need to learn when i have some time. < 1326330609 831247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well it shows you can get non-periodic functions even with two terms < 1326330611 221519 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are trivial, you should learn symbolic dynamics instead < 1326330641 572387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't know that either, but now I know < 1326330660 922174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the fact that non-periodic functions are trivial to produce doesn't really explain to me how frequency domain can translate to non-periodic time domain. < 1326330738 335558 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you sic e^(iat) + a^(ibt)? < 1326330746 372183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wat < 1326330749 728996 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sic) < 1326330771 663980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 such danger which i guess is not a law is some items that were in public domain being pushed back into the non-public domain -- Works from certain countries that were in the public domain because they didn’t comply with formalities of US law (like notice and renewal requirements), or because they were published in countries that didn’t have copyright relations with the US (like the S < 1326330772 183840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oviet Union before 1973) had their copyrights restored on January 1, 1996. < 1326330798 164242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm going to get oerjan to ban you due to excessive self-quoting. < 1326330819 699291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can sic it, then i suppose i understand your confusion even if you don't know what sic means. as i'm sure you do, i suppose you can sic it. < 1326330840 434707 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: guess what i'm going to do now btw :D < 1326330845 749199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i know what (sic) means, but why should i put it on something i already corrected < 1326330863 478281 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because i wanted to know that was correct < 1326330867 678605 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326330869 685786 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1326330873 616231 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i missed that line. < 1326330881 536863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't learn < 1326330883 858275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i understand all kinds of thing. < 1326330887 549980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1326330936 359243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i suppose the other is also correct if a/(b ln a) is irrational < 1326330981 865028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna say i have no idea, but actually i now realize you're talking about trivial stuffs. < 1326330998 283913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i must rant i should do it by pastebin < 1326330998 969243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1326331011 22434 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: or on the channel < 1326331027 745098 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only everyone except me is annoyed, so who gives a fuck < 1326331072 902766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure everyone except you is annoyed? < 1326331077 943693 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1326331090 700547 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the only one actively unannoyed though. < 1326331109 18577 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of you just stand in a list and keep your mouths shut < 1326331110 86741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not annoyed by it either < 1326331122 57312 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be immune < 1326331195 657936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the effect in law is similar to the effect in technology where progress in technology doesn't lead to diminished labor rates < 1326331205 329848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe slightly it does im not sure) < 1326331223 882324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the same way more laws doesn't bring more and more fairness or justice < 1326331240 668796 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Funny, progress in technology seems to have lead to significantly diminished actual labor rates, just not time-spent-"working" rates. :P < 1326331246 703169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you can read this text, you are wasting your life <-- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1326331267 231693 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the current way of catching errors from pure functions in Haskell is not good way and could be made a better way? < 1326331294 215511 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, all these laws that get introduced year after year don't make anything any better < 1326331307 440128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its a very wrong and cynical view < 1326331341 646385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all.. capital punishment is being outlawed many places.. = good.. < 1326331399 250955 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if half of humanity was randomly slaughtered, the rest of us would have twice as much money < 1326331400 673037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are I/O exceptions but it seems not quite right. Better way, in my opinion, would be, have a macro make a function into I/O action with specified strictifying and those one can be made caught exceptions. < 1326331403 526850 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1326331466 113851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND cows. < 1326331471 372771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that makes a complete mockery of referential transparency < 1326331473 406961 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could all make our own milk :o < 1326331739 766920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is current way better or worse? I think it should be made with a macro, but current way they depend a lot on evaluation and means you can define something in terms of not defined seem wrong to me < 1326332114 186507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know what to say but it would be a fundamentally different language. < 1326332213 652223 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fundamentalists are all the same < 1326332264 819392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you sure? Current way seems not mathematically correct to me? < 1326332453 65685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it has a mathematical foundation in the imprecise exception theory. that may not be ideal. but your way changes a much _more_ fundamental property of haskell, one which it was designed to explore. < 1326332661 221819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me, not only is not mathematically correct, but also can cause other problems too, such as strictness analysis and some other things < 1326332676 889810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you describe better please? < 1326332725 267198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't know the details of the theory. < 1326332788 491140 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want auditory hallucinations specifically you should take diisopropyltryptamine < 1326332822 348442 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also auditory distortions like nonlinear pitch shift and "flanging" < 1326332826 19229 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it enough just to listen to someone trying to pronounce it? < 1326332900 391854 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326332940 656218 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises that's probably "di-iso-", not "diiso" pronounced as in Finnish.
< 1326332945 440902 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct :) < 1326332982 393686 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pot addiction is a real thing, but it affects small minority of people who take pot ever < 1326333002 857797 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can become addicted to pretty much any sensation or activity < 1326333005 704611 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some draw the distinction between physical addiction and psychological addiction < 1326333018 574344 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the field well enough to know if this distinction makes sense or if it's bullshit dualism < 1326333048 849031 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, but what would the money be worth < 1326333067 565733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weight in fucking money that's what < 1326333305 932929 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326333566 688679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ah but most money is electronical these days < 1326333621 109695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose an addiction can only feel "physical" to things that are evolutio...narily (?) useful to have as addictions. for instance i have a very physical need to do pull-ups every day.. < 1326333631 879330 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-. < 1326333661 891617 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or things that subvert evolved systems < 1326333689 144268 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose, but i can't come up with such < 1326333708 813959 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine, heroin, etc < 1326333720 818830 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would probably take my cast out of the bank the day everyone i know is slaughtered < 1326333737 14919 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i hear heroin = nicotine in terms of addiction < 1326333743 245204 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... obviously not < 1326333770 261994 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor; it increases the amount of dopamine in the space between neurons < 1326333785 862217 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which increases dopamine-related signaling < 1326333815 454935 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dopamine is one of the main chemicals involved in reinforcement and reward-seeking behavior < 1326333848 522883 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so it feels great for a while. obviously you would need quite a bit of self-control not to use such a substance once you know what it feels like. < 1326333855 615259 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brain has evolved to seek activities which are evolutionarily useful, like exercise, sex, food, etc < 1326333870 761803 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326333875 712402 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs like cocaine are addictive not because they're evolutionarily useful < 1326333888 284067 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because they directly screw with the system for rewarding evolutionarily useful activity < 1326333916 35648 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes the addiction is every bit as physical as the need for sex or pull-ups < 1326333920 112334 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't get the feeling "right now it would make sense to have sex, since that's fun", you get the feeling "oh god i need to fuck someone" < 1326333925 216614 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326333931 521442 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly "oh god i need some cocaine" < 1326333945 243105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the norwegian minister of finance is fond of reminding us that most of our national capital is in the form of skilled labor and that we need to preserve that. (especially when someone suggests we use more of the saved-up oil money.) < 1326333946 175 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't feel "i really need to do pull-ups since i want to get strong", you feel "i really need to do some pull-ups right now" < 1326333973 142934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at least i, feel "smoking is so much fun, i wish i could do it all day" < 1326333998 330237 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel it every now and then when i'm low on nicotine, i would like to do it all the time. < 1326334017 262548 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you are not "physically addicted" to nicotine < 1326334021 979094 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be < 1326334035 986490 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been smoking half a year, and a god-awful lot < 1326334042 589457 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this i'm in denial < 1326334050 353827 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem not to understand a damn word i'm saying < 1326334053 519215 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1326334083 989971 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean sure, it seems that i am not physically addicted to nicotine because i feel this way, by definition. < 1326334099 540843 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how could i not be, if it is possible to be physically addicted to it? < 1326334106 867067 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :luck of biochemistry < 1326334114 309023 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's brain is a bit different < 1326334122 811038 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can take cocaine or heroin and not get addicted < 1326334127 769302 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't a whole lot of them, but they do exist < 1326334135 174780 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get addicted to everything i do! i need to eat pizza *every day* nowadays < 1326334147 25616 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1326334163 932767 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what does pizza have to do with single-codon mutations in your nicotinic acetylcholine receptors < 1326334180 659872 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying this stuff hinges on really specific genetic and biochemical details < 1326334190 136774 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are different for everyone < 1326334195 194674 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1326334195 638755 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason why drug addiction is heritable < 1326334196 41466 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1326334235 186936 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting exception is alcohol, i certainly like being drunk, but i don't really feel like getting drunk except like once a month. < 1326334260 669256 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have a bottle of whisky 20cm from my hand but i'm too lazy to pour so it's been there forever. < 1326334288 105826 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my family is full of drunks < 1326334298 392820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still OK after thirty years? < 1326334352 105055 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that sort of thing can lead to you despising alcohol or something, but i certainly get completely wasted every now and then and have nothing against drinking in general. i'm just too lazy to pour. i'm never too lazy to smoke, really. < 1326334367 393543 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, forever. < 1326334433 68913 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that has to do with my... let me copypaste alcoholic stuffoline receptors < 1326334544 346611 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i inherit from my true parents, who are lizard kings. < 1326334546 163749 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1326334795 581498 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the lizard king, i can do anything < 1326335323 366772 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you my parent? < 1326336145 747598 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1326336168 632749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixth cousin once removed < 1326336784 940516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand how my idea of catching pattern matching errors and so on breaks referential transparency any more than the existing way does < 1326337321 705900 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't even understand how noses work. < 1326338129 664405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: OK! < 1326338841 338997 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326338865 483132 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey... I think I've got an intersting idea for a CPU design < 1326338890 304899 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend had an optimization to TOD < 1326338917 692011 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it go faster the system could run a modified ntpd system to change the speed at which seconds progress < 1326338981 780916 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have each cpu instruction output a result < 1326338990 849643 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1326339006 738256 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then instead of reading operands from registers, reading them from the results of the N previous instructions < 1326339044 412478 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fuck pipelining. < 1326339074 689267 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially it's a form of out of order execution < 1326339207 315751 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh I guess it's a sort of mobile pipeline instead of a staged one... I think < 1326339345 918343 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially you have a whole bunch of execution units, each of one is an ALU plus enough multiplexers to read operands from the N previous units, and you assign a whole bunch of incoming operations at the same time on a large block of units < 1326339458 517662 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So operation results become valid one after the other and trickles down the scheduled units < 1326339540 761518 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to do "out of band" instruction scheduling though < 1326339568 93722 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie have the number of loop iterations etc determined some other way than branching instructions < 1326339698 544518 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would probably mostly be interesting as a coprocessor to a RISC cpu < 1326339877 867124 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, write the program except a couple of critical loops in C, C code gets run on the RISC part, until it runs into a critical loop, then use the RISC to load up the critical loop mode registers etc and switch to some ultra fast assembly routine running in that kind of massive multi-ALU mode < 1326340059 624454 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326340210 793288 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1326340364 318414 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: while you're at it, why not switch to an fpga on the fly < 1326340418 811642 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsemi.com/en/products/whats-new/smartfusion < 1326340531 951855 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: looks nice < 1326340733 763705 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: aiming at somewhere between SIMD units and fpgas < 1326340869 820365 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1326340957 589092 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1326341132 723746 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1326341521 704378 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1326341621 557086 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" You'd have to do "out of band" instruction scheduling though" yeah this is important, if you instruct all your band members to gtfo at once, you have no band anymore < 1326343354 731654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1326343495 550719 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can arrange a reunion, though < 1326343607 525063 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326343801 532131 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326346635 949522 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1326346896 781999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a TeX program to print out the experience points required for each level in D&D game, up to as many as will fit on a page (which is 53). There is still more room on the page so I could include other information too; do you have other idea? < 1326348651 549301 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1326348728 659848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1326348780 715180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, sir. < 1326348957 599668 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you wanted a pure function in Haskell to catch exceptions? < 1326348979 568826 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like tryPure (error "foo") => Left (ErrorCall "foo") < 1326348979 969728 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1326348991 676374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No. Not quite what I asked. < 1326348998 820006 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then? < 1326349024 438623 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1326349056 686043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a *macro* (not a function at all) which converts an existing function (or even single value) to a function results in I/O action, with specified strictness of contained values (to specify which are used), and be able to catch errors there. < 1326349060 380763 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326349068 394247 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326349074 480387 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1326349090 688593 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently you catch them like other I/O errors, but the way it currently work seem wrong to me for more than one reason. < 1326349096 702513 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can write a combinator library for that < 1326349098 922514 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not need macros < 1326349224 172189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it won't be pure or mathematically correct or anything if it is not a macro. It doesn't make sense for it to be undefined and be defined due to that. There should be a layer in between, so that in one program it is undefined, and pass the layer, use a macro or something makes it a new thing based on the old one < 1326349272 27920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you can understand what I meant now. I do not completely understand what you meant that a combinator library can be written for that, however. < 1326349297 902993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1326349357 805607 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii'm confused < 1326349359 66133 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Control.Exception.try . Control.Exception.evaluate < 1326349359 916434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a e. (GHC.Exception.Exception e) => a -> IO (Either e a) < 1326349366 50056 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this the one-argument version of what you want? < 1326349374 395074 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whnf strictness < 1326349388 256788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say you have: f :: Int -> Int -> Int; f 0 x = x; g :: Int -> Int -> IO Int; g = xyz 2 f; < 1326349415 650256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know about try and evaluate but that is what seem wrong to me. One thing the strictness is not always correct < 1326349457 870872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In my example, "xyz" would be the macro that does that; it isn't a function, so g = xyz; or g = xyz (1 + 1) f; is not allowed.) < 1326349507 971289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, g 1 5 is IO action calling the pattern match exception, and g 0 8 is same as return 8 < 1326349573 828439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, are you and zzo38 discussing haskell? < 1326349574 230839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you less confused now, or even more confused? < 1326349579 596153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1326349580 559196 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we are < 1326349710 538059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326349917 461655 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326349942 868950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mike had written a series of tutorials on Funge-98, do you know if any others exist besides the ones currently posted on the rcfunge98.com site? < 1326349943 39497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1326349971 945934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, anyone know of any Funge-98 tutorials? this seemed like a good place to ask < 1326349992 30424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you have any more answer to me by now? < 1326349995 443168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably a bad time, this is an awful time for people in most of the most common timezones for #esotericers < 1326349997 574222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, I assumed Susan had abandoned rcfunge < 1326349997 841309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anyone else answer? < 1326350000 109989 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326350014 692162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even understand what I mean, finally? < 1326350016 374914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: esolangs tend not to need all that much maintenance < 1326350041 741577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no < 1326350084 794083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if Deewiant has some, he's the person I'd rate as most likely to have a Funge-98 tutorial in this channel < 1326350089 820627 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is your opinion of my comments about this Haskell programs? < 1326350090 664480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what are you doing awake? < 1326350095 836195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=funge-98+tutorial not promising < 1326350098 287289 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326350100 702878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good question < 1326350101 639736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this late at night or early morning for you, or do those terms have no meaning nowadays < 1326350109 387500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea what the context is < 1326350115 136655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: early morning right now < 1326350131 171292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I decided the same thing, so I went to work < 1326350138 976004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to get in early, by around 9am, to prepare a tutorial < 1326350141 553395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then read it! < 1326350144 662445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :( < 1326350148 321516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd have at most 3 hours sleep even if I managed to get to sleep instantly < 1326350151 747241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided it wasn't worth it < 1326350166 897868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I slept much of yesterday afternoon, due to only getting 2 hours sleep the day before) < 1326350179 325278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I've slept < 1326350204 457024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1326350212 308820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it was, is I was discussing about a new way to do catching pattern matching failures and user error catching of pure functions in IO actions, by using macros. < 1326350213 159074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what timezone would you say you're in at the moment? < 1326350236 742312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, if someone with a normal sleep schedule were sleeping at the same times as you, what timezone would they have to be in to make it a normal schedule?) < 1326350269 97155 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now do you understand? < 1326350273 312750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Now do I understand? < 1326350279 946900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1326350308 509102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, I'm not sure; I slept about 8 hours, at least, from 21:00-05:00 or so < 1326350314 168632 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know? < 1326350332 177424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, I envy that sleep schedule < 1326350340 155440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it deliberately for a few days, but it made me ill < 1326350353 341123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's awful, i get tired in the afternoon < 1326350370 293070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'd be better if it got bright earlier < 1326350372 525832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think mine was even more extreme, along the lines of 18:00-02:00 < 1326350382 503796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I came to the conclusion that it works great in summer but doesn't work in winter < 1326350397 904585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(current thoughts as to the optimal sleep schedule: sleep 6-8 hours and wake at sunrise, regardless of when sunrise is) < 1326350422 363997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program to calculate the sunrise and all planets rise, but it doesn't include refraction, and it also doesn't include the apparent size of solar disc < 1326350426 446050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you misspelled 10+ < 1326350468 877472 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would think 18:00 is too early to sleep? At least to me, and people I know, it is too early < 1326350486 336570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do sometimes wake up as early as 02:00 < 1326350493 348347 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not often, though. < 1326350536 438780 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1326350910 675304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That schedule's going to be hard to follow in places north of the Arctic Circle, or south of the Antarctic, at least year-round. < 1326350961 832414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"south of the Antarctic" < 1326350969 327599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle. < 1326350979 86001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't feel like repeating. < 1326350983 475360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I haven't slept in ten days and I'm SO TIRED, but some dude in the IRC said this is optimal." < 1326350999 758955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Months, on the South Pole. < 1326351001 787054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was basing it on UKish latitudes < 1326351009 499615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just sleep for another 3 months or whenever it was. < 1326351017 489257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess it's efficient? < 1326351042 497298 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-159-48.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1326351057 426796 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-252-161.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1326351076 704872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was just "sleep for the 6-8 hours before sunrise" always, you don't get to sleep in winter *or* summer. < 1326351100 46414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, quite. < 1326351107 805368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's even more efficient. < 1326351278 688588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the rising/setting depends on sun declination? < 1326351425 823513 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP < 1326351726 862538 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1326351841 450531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:14:00: kallisti: guess what i'm going to do now btw :D < 1326351844 420087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: how was the heroin < 1326351854 342925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to understand geometry of rising/setting. Astrolog has astro-graph so I can see it on the map of the world. There is yellow vertical line plotting hour angle, one point on the yellow line marked which is the declination, and the curved line red/green for rising/setting. < 1326352092 771944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:09:23: yeah but what does pizza have to do with single-codon mutations in your nicotinic acetylcholine receptors < 1326352103 474479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what DOESN'T pizza have to do with single-codon mutations in your nicotinic acetylcholine receptors < 1326352119 621199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1326352787 409248 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omnomnom,. < 1326353919 953325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the opposite of infinitesimal? < 1326353921 828024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not infinitesimal < 1326353933 370575 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large? < 1326353959 62656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1326353961 339294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not infinitesimal < 1326353965 235327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00001 is not large < 1326353966 749234 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1326353968 299663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "standard" means not infinitesimal and not infinite < 1326353970 877324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't infinitesimal, either < 1326353973 21669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nonstandard analysis < 1326353981 196038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, that could work < 1326354571 591059 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the opposite of purple? < 1326354961 260883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: purpl < 1326354961 796324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1326354964 880532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :green < 1326354969 296842 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elprup < 1326355015 622475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checyr < 1326355295 656891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: checyr < 1326355313 44281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checyr < 1326355319 971911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checyr < 1326355441 106483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8831630/whats-benefits-of-nancyfx < 1326355563 306488 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you're not here, I won't put your name next to updates, so if when you read logs you only search for your name, you might not see it < 1326355563 708233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if I use the benefits? < 1326355572 635678 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1326355598 572415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if i was elliott, that's what i would say" - monqy < 1326355626 705094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, one of the agora backup lists just got conference spam < 1326355648 209748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: criminal cfj + playerhood inquiry cfj < 1326355651 972288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only reasonable response < 1326355657 817810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't see it
< 1326355666 509434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can do it < 1326355679 134155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was sent to tue, are you subscribed to that one? < 1326355679 804022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i'd have to figure out a rule to charge them under < 1326355691 830291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Sgeo isn't subscribed to tue? < 1326355693 651811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worrying < 1326355697 497330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, why did tue even accept that? < 1326355711 771308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 101? 2029? < 1326355713 245084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably they registered for the list < 1326355722 981961 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I'm subscribed to at least one backup list, not sure if both or not < 1326355735 859376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll let the invaders know to use the backup lists < 1326355741 137700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1326355816 419810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be able to get to the password reminder thing if I wasn't registered, right? < 1326355855 178480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, reddit was mentioned on slashdot < 1326355861 841798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't realise it'd lead to a moderation system flamewar until I saw it < 1326355865 436653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have done, obviously < 1326356175 842051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's likely it's just going ito < 1326356178 709073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into your spambox < 1326356213 436322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "'Smaller' sites like Reddit start the ball rumbling, Slashdot joins in, [...]" < 1326356215 222825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i lol'd < 1326356222 17040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashdot "bigger than reddit" < 1326356230 610064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people correct them later < 1326356254 161043 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start the ball rumbling? < 1326356258 876659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, most Slashdotters seem to be under the misconception that it's a major site < 1326356272 95412 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's not in my spambox though < 1326356279 591452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: rumbly ball < 1326356281 204303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it's historically important, and worth subscribing to, but not /large/ < 1326356281 640210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, once upon a time it was relatively large. < 1326356299 606551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdotting really was a major phenomenon. < 1326356305 2394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the only thing that can be slashdotted nowadays is, e.g. a teacup < 1326356317 578458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the web grew, and Slashdot did not. < 1326356318 796480 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that potato web server? < 1326356330 547039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's teacup-sized. < 1326356343 447307 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Either an actual potato or Debian Potato would do. < 1326356355 577194 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POTATO HAS LANDED < 1326356396 519136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, I think it's more a case of data having got larger < 1326356407 49612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, webservers are used to serving up gigabyte-large videos < 1326356413 523357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO gigabyte < 1326356436 541152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I know I've watched videos over 1GB large, either metric or binary < 1326356459 591709 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523++ # metric or binary < 1326356464 533654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Webservers" aren't used to that; big webservers are < 1326356480 785730 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326356506 674236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :peer :( < 1326356549 645304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context is that reddit's planning to shut down for a while to protest against SOPA < 1326356565 749805 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peer++ # eh resets connectoins and doesn't afraid of anything. < 1326356576 833281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no no < 1326356577 100804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1326356577 772313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :person < 1326356580 716228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1326356587 80931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1326356590 877000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1326356591 155359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad < 1326356597 396399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad!!! < 1326356598 245117 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If elliott won't go to the Reddit, the Reddit will come to the elliott. < 1326356611 247335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad :( < 1326356625 965662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b a d < 1326356641 781766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1326356680 443154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1326356827 806412 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. < 1326356834 150731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a sour melon flavor of powerade. < 1326356835 505756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so < 1326356836 779752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1326356838 789060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god. < 1326356855 617830 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti SBaHJ update < 1326357151 976675 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1326357186 196753 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking incredible < 1326357210 324583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very good but already hours old < 1326357213 283016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo how could you... < 1326357224 938909 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I only found out about it recently < 1326357232 488161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1326357297 241426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo lied to monqy < 1326357299 732262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his words :( < 1326357310 572451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1326357344 929494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo knows all therefore he knew about the sbahj update BUT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING < 1326357352 33583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1326357443 755110 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this then < 1326357452 157721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: monqy < 1326357467 539317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel's in monqy mode < 1326357473 951530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delay expectations of coherency < 1326357480 756167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326357599 958270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Proving that one never stops learning, Charles Pooh, one of our graph theory developers, pointed out to me that my synonyms item could have been done much better. I had broken one of the very rules that I wrote about in my “10 Tips for Fast Mathematica Code” entry—”Use built-in functions.”? < 1326357602 251450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/"/ < 1326357658 881690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you /have/ to use built-in functions to get reasonable performance out of Mathematica, as that's what it's tuned for < 1326357659 972631 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already decohered < 1326357669 385280 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILT IN FUNCTIONZ < 1326357676 657814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it's really fast at doing turing machines, but nowhere near as fast at doing sort-of-like-turing-machines-but-not-quite < 1326357693 936745 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guido van rossum says that functional languages are the ones where map and filter etc are magical builtins < 1326357705 798779 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python isn't functional because you can implement map in a few lines of code < 1326357726 535808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few lines? how stupidly verbose < 1326357726 692041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need them to be builtin if you want performance < 1326357736 418944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:47:58 how may I get a call stack when my program crashes? < 1326357736 575148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:09 You may not. Thanks for asking. < 1326357740 434908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, -xc works /most/ of the time. < 1326357743 965960 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell? < 1326357747 1532 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1326357749 447141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reasonable functional language should be able to do map, filter, and both folds in three or fewer lines of code, putting line breaks in the natural places < 1326357751 765834 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf tells it like it is < 1326357751 922121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe# < 1326357752 971501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(each, that is) < 1326357753 127662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1326357764 462688 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe# < 1326357766 919375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326357767 188536 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe# = Just# a | Nothing# < 1326357771 658211 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, I elaborated a little more later on! < 1326357774 796488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses a null pointer for nothing < 1326357775 331867 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster!!!!!!1!!!! < 1326357778 430303 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSS < 1326357781 442025 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg the optimizationsz < 1326357783 832360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is otherwise a pionter to the just value < 1326357787 118792 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're onto something here < 1326357788 956409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my interpretation of Maybe# too < 1326357794 238 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be srsly better right < 1326357794 349617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that Maybe# Int# can't represent 0 < 1326357799 266764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I hadn't thought it through in that much detail < 1326357806 58808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, Maybe# would have to always use a pointer < 1326357806 767743 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the kind of Maybe# would forbid that anyway < 1326357815 981035 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be * -> * like the regular Maybe < 1326357821 249184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nah, kind polymorphism, dude < 1326357823 464150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heck, even an unreasonable functional language can pull them off in 10 or 15 lines. < 1326357857 565320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for my canonical example of "unreasonable functional langauge" I shall point you to clambda) < 1326357859 192152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to invent a functional language in which map is incredibly hard to write < 1326357915 830937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursala? :P < 1326358152 618822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably only a couple of characters in ursala < 1326358163 429288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only hard to write, because doing so would actually require learning ursala < 1326358175 559340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suspect it's one character; the problem is that you have to write it without using map < 1326358266 249312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you can convince repa to stick an array's data at a particular pointer.
< 1326358269 728379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first result for ursula is arc forum and the link in the post title is broke :( < 1326358274 494607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1326358277 585009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursula programming language < 1326358331 342471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the site is gone < 1326358358 193709 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it good < 1326358372 664275 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://hpaste.org/56368 < 1326358383 913270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: as consolation: http://arclanguage.org/item?id=6155 < 1326358390 600090 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works except sometimes nothing# segfaults < 1326358396 348879 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just the price you pay for SPEED < 1326358402 129763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh my god < 1326358417 687890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i want to show #haskell < 1326358421 161646 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do it < 1326358431 76265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that post is too mysterious for me to tell if it's good or bad < 1326358439 982690 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks a bit on the absolutely crazy side < 1326358461 211349 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#comment -[ yes good ]- < 1326358468 182630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Help!! I've been trying to optimise my code with unboxed Maybes but nothing# sometimes segfaults! http://hpaste.org/56368 < 1326358483 337265 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott u troll < 1326358487 226143 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u troll < 1326358506 197153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's ok i put a :P face after it < 1326358520 447461 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really should have put "just say maybe to drugs" as the module haddock < 1326358521 385173 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well < 1326358528 450378 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hlint tells you why it's broken. < 1326358534 314474 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not usingCamelCase. < 1326358534 470600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Put it on Hackage. < 1326358537 208678 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no place to camelcase! < 1326358542 190003 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acme-maybehash < 1326358555 565910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: acme-maybe-fast < 1326358574 165059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think maybe#'s type doesn't have enough #s in it. < 1326358584 857253 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it would be faster if it were maybe### < 1326358596 253017 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly optimized haskell code is about 40% hash by weight < 1326358596 409452 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Maybe# (Maybe# a)
< 1326358620 49014 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«just# = M# . unsafeCoerce#» < 1326358627 58122 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, why did i compose a newtype constructor with unsafeCoerce# < 1326358628 348905 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing# should be (void*)0, just# nothing# should be (void*)1, etc. < 1326358630 577263 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just sloppy < 1326358636 181702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: safety < 1326358639 344393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's all about safety < 1326358659 174603 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i used howard's curry to prove that Maybe# exists, in the type system < 1326358667 877168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks howard < 1326358682 670891 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :howard's curry with a side of samosas and bhang lassi < 1326358685 479482 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry-Howard. Coward. < 1326358696 838794 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry-howard. chowder. < 1326358697 644289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've already said "Hurry-Coward isomorphism". :( < 1326358718 812091 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always dyslexia it into hurry-coward in my head oops < 1326358721 128002 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have a jumbo bhang lassi, extra bhang, hold the lassi < 1326358729 370712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://web.archive.org/web/20090113084759/http://www.basis.uklinux.net/ursala/ < 1326358741 457815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20080704174715/http://www.basis.uklinux.net/ursala/manual.pdf doesn't load :( < 1326358751 557560 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can read the < 1326358754 225042 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :design philosophy < 1326358762 228777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey how do i get repa to put an array at an address thanx < 1326358770 765152 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar unsafeCoerce# < 1326358780 574881 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that fails load some FORTRAN into a ByteString and execute it < 1326358791 284097 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION derpishly just now realizes that you can make isNothing from maybe
< 1326358792 931710 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN < 1326358799 506873 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, fromJust and fromMaybe occured to me sooner < 1326358799 680241 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Haskell can take over the scientific HPC world < 1326358807 240461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN < 1326358812 426993 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe True (const False) < 1326358813 268775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a -> Bool < 1326358819 220473 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :799) damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN < 1326358820 427556 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, in one place I'm using maybe where fromMaybe makes more sense < 1326358821 55157 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you can make anything that operates on Maybe from maybe < 1326358834 811694 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe Nothing Just -- or did I just blow your mind < 1326358834 967735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like some kind of dogamorphism. < 1326358835 791744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a -> Maybe a < 1326358849 530260 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woof woof < 1326358850 324433 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ddarius isJust < 1326358850 592803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogamorphism? < 1326358850 860920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: isJust :: Maybe a -> Bool; isJust = unsafeCoerce < 1326358857 833751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeFromForeignPtr sh fptr < 1326358857 989947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : = fromFunction sh < 1326358857 990166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\ix -> unsafePerformIO < 1326358857 990276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ withForeignPtr fptr < 1326358857 990380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\ptr -> peekElemOff ptr $ toIndex sh ix)) < 1326358859 772846 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works too (fsvo) < 1326358864 218724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO REPA NO THAT ISN'T WHAT I WANT < 1326358888 990534 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/09/executing-bytestring.html do it this way < 1326358921 513204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AxioSep 29, 2010 07:32 PM < 1326358921 707221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> Why not! < 1326358921 707420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For security reasons, of course ! < 1326358921 707531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want Haskell to be the new C, as far as execution of arbitrary code is concerned… < 1326358928 361391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're a bad person. you made haskell insecure < 1326358946 42881 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y¬ < 1326358964 759548 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code segfaultz on my system now < 1326358968 773626 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly stupid NX bit < 1326358979 870172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like No funX bit. < 1326358999 843799 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stomps off in search of mprotect binding
< 1326359035 562875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: elliott: i could be wrong, but since Addr# has kind # i don't think you're allowed to cast it to Any, are you? < 1326359062 239936 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce# can cast between kinds < 1326359066 389628 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that powerful < 1326359078 867025 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't ignore my techno < 1326359079 938655 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it cast * to * -> *? < 1326359086 851523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your Show instance is wrong. < 1326359095 512242 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no your brain is wrong < 1326359116 670873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1326359123 408050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries.
< 1326359168 338094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i reading repa's code < 1326359192 900416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# INLINE [2] force #-} < 1326359193 57117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :force arr < 1326359193 57319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : = unsafePerformIO < 1326359193 57429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ do (sh, vec) <- forceIO arr < 1326359193 57544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $ sh `seq` vec `seq` < 1326359193 839718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Array sh [Region RangeAll (GenManifest vec)] < 1326359196 252543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best indentation ever < 1326359199 281718 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiomatic haskell < 1326359223 569077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Array sh _ < 1326359223 763104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> do mvec <- VM.unsafeNew (S.size sh) < 1326359223 763292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : forceWith (VM.unsafeWrite mvec) arr' < 1326359225 579602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1326359229 66859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could write my own forcing function < 1326359233 360231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming vector gives me the kind of placement i need < 1326359237 5382 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use strength reduction < 1326359245 93398 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that indentation < 1326359246 433729 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is so good < 1326359256 592514 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this must be how dogs see < 1326359278 480395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Data.Vector.Unboxed.Mutable doesn't have any "cast pointer to vector lol" functions < 1326359287 820782 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use storable vector < 1326359295 593403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, fair enough, i thought you were just crazy :P < 1326359309 400489 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have more booze < 1326359325 820357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think a storable vector would work. < 1326359337 175539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, Repa has unboxed ones under the hood and I don't think they're compatible. < 1326359346 275071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose I could throw away the Repa array after forcing it... < 1326359370 883917 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1326359398 459037 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the last segment of _2001: A Space Odyssey_ synchs up with "Echoes" by Pink Floyd < 1326359411 229667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1326359417 724759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has ever said that in the history of ever. < 1326359445 228936 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true fact < 1326359617 534401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Array.Repa.Internals.Forcing isn't exported :( < 1326359890 662384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I'm trying to print out a marksheet on this Windows computer here < 1326359896 782078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently there isn't enough disk space to open Excel < 1326359901 721915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boggles slightly
< 1326359948 881838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of something so important to save upon opening a spreadsheet program that it should refuse to open if it can't save it < 1326359972 292862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, OpenOffice, which is also here, complained but allowed me to open the file < 1326360066 255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing Microsoft? Probably saving a new copy of Excel to disk to run. :P < 1326360451 823567 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-40.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326360460 179921 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-50.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1326360485 930320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, OpenOffice crashed, then went into an infinite loop of asking to clear disk space trying to save its recovery data < 1326360548 59679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried deleting something < 1326360629 295622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, Excel. < 1326360700 745091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1326360775 918832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326360931 359719 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried starting some fires < 1326361034 375279 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would work better if nothing# were the pointer 1 instead of 0 < 1326361109 798597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What about ~0? < 1326361120 549824 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be the best pointer of them all < 1326361772 157969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see use storable vector i should have more booze did you know the last segment of _2001: A Space Odyssey_ synchs up with "Echoes" by Pink Floyd < 1326361780 420743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder which video games from the last 10-20 years will still be widely known in, say, 100 years. Which ones will become (and stay) classics? Some are pretty obvious, like people will most probably know about pacman. Probably super mario as well. < 1326361797 519616 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft < 1326361802 874876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1326361810 751968 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :desert bus < 1326361813 247617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1326361834 908968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :big rig < 1326361835 250384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1326361835 653954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played desert bus < 1326361838 234899 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326361846 401135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326361849 870065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trying to remember which that one is. I heard the name before... < 1326361852 831364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogs see with a storable vector? < 1326361852 986931 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326361862 24242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326361870 659861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing < 1326361877 374370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, not that game < 1326361887 473857 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the absence of collision detection < 1326361889 244813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a severe lack of collision detection and frequent violation of the laws of physics were the game's main problems." < 1326361893 169570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sega Bass Fishing. < 1326361903 273772 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 years from now womankind is extinct and so they only play dating sims < 1326361909 489886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never even heard about that one :P < 1326361919 54242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this immediately turned into a list of the worst games? < 1326361938 802382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Bass_Fishing "Gameplay: Bass Fishing is an arcade fishing game. Basically, someone choses a character then goes out on a boat to go and catch fish." (The description ends there.) < 1326361959 145288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1326361959 991589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best article. < 1326361985 958177 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the best article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_with_fraudulent_diplomas < 1326362006 399761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know about it because it's in the four (four!) games chosen for the Dreamcast Collection for some reason. < 1326362016 275921 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game struggled with critics due to its narrow nature. However, it did showcase the amazing graphical capabilities of the Dreamcast with the fish moving fluidly to create a smooth fishing experience." < 1326362018 488311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sonic Adventure, Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5: Part 2 and Sega Bass Fishing.) < 1326362020 888181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow. are the other games as bad? < 1326362068 250636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only one I heard about there is Sonic Adventures. And I can't remember if that is one of the bad or good ones < 1326362085 913872 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like its not a good one < 1326362121 983492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't really any good sonic games post-megadrive/genesis (i say this as someone who hasn't played them but reads on the topic a lot) < 1326362123 98635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic Adventure isn't bad; Crazy Taxi is I think a mediocre-to-goodish sandboxy car game; Sega Bass Fishing is... Sega Bass Fishing; and Space Channel 5: Part 2 is some sort of a strange rhythm game thing. < 1326362164 151246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I heard that the recent sonic generations is pretty good < 1326362169 509057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Curious, what would make some of the unicode characters display correctly but others not? I wasn't even aware there was an "inbetween", I thought you either see unicode characters rendered or you don't." < 1326362174 136793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played it. Haven't played /any/ sonic game in fact < 1326362197 947371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't Crazy Taxi famous-ish? < 1326362203 480705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic and knuckles is pretty cool though.. the way they stack up the cartridges < 1326362208 460671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/CrazyTaxi_cover.png certainly rings a bell at least. < 1326362216 246298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the font for a start < 1326362226 168588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic Adventure was I think the first "good" 3D Sonic; of course not everyone likes those, but quite a few do. < 1326362229 249595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most likely cause even) < 1326362237 818851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The reception at the time of original Dreamcast version was overwhelmingly positive, including reviews from GameSpot and GameSpy being above 90%. The current Game Rankings average ranking is 88%.[11] It became one of the few Sega All Stars games. In Japan, it received an excellent 38 out of 40 from Famitsu.[12] Although criticized for its camera system, framerate issues, and fishing stages with Big, the game was still highly praised for retaining the f < 1326362237 975243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ast and enjoyable gameplay that Sonic was known for in 2D as well as the game's graphics, multiple character storylines, and soundtrack." < 1326362246 12977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : sonic and knuckles is pretty cool though.. the way they stack up the cartridges <-- eh? < 1326362289 875074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Sonic & Knuckles cartridge can be combined with Sonic the Hedgehog 3 to form "Sonic 3 & Knuckles", the game they were supposed to release but ran out of time. :p < 1326362308 537417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, combined as in physically connect them? < 1326362309 922277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also be combined with Sonic 2 to play as Knuckles in Sonic 2, but that's not such a big change.) < 1326362310 458114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1326362311 532080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1326362317 559122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1326362324 420580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it is an expansion pack of sorts? < 1326362324 576967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stick Sonic 3 on top of the Sonic & Knuckles game. < 1326362345 245238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can it be used standalone? < 1326362347 52657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also stick other cartridges there, and usually get to play one of the "collect the spheres" bonus levels. < 1326362352 774008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works as standalone too. < 1326362355 266814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm imagining you just sort of balance them on top of each other. < 1326362375 367306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is probably an unique system they had there < 1326362377 15 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But when you have Sonic 3 plugged in, you can play through the levels of both in one seamless "story". < 1326362399 244299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's a picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sega_Genesis-_Sonic_%26_Knuckles_locked_on_to_Sonic3_flipped.jpg < 1326362405 525700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remember how UTF-8 was invented. The guys making Plan-9 looked at Unicode and said, "That's a good idea, but it's totally wasting half the bits," then made it up out of scratch. Microsoft could have done the same thing if they had a culture of innovation, but they didn't." < 1326362407 71660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries.
< 1326362408 934088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate reddit. < 1326362421 470252 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326362434 176383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that... is just stupid? < 1326362442 979364 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah UTF-8 is a vastly superior alternative to Unicode < 1326362448 354766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1326362448 891695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's half the bits. < 1326362450 945274 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. it sounds like politics < 1326362458 527043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Politics! < 1326362459 335850 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: commissioner, mr van velzen has just said. it is true that fisheries play a social and cultural assets. europe' s undertaking in these critical areas must not be general, that it is right for europe to take advantage of the opportunities given to us by citizens at the heart of the socio-economic impact in the applicant countries to the european union < 1326362461 220346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are so many things wrong with that stuff < 1326362475 476740 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that you need only the bottom half of a '0' to distinguish it from a 1 < 1326362478 74399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, fisheries? Are you talking about that game too? < 1326362478 663748 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: madam president, ladies and gentlemen, it is essentially a humanitarian response to future situations which might arise. that is why i referred to earlier. < 1326362482 649495 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't need the flag or the little base on the '1' neither < 1326362487 336226 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's some serious space savings < 1326362498 318785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, the guy finally accepted my MONADS. < 1326362503 900355 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :M O N A D S < 1326362546 550463 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this government had a mandate from the public to create UTF-8, Mr. Speaker. Something the opposition ignored due to not being innovative Mr. Speaker < 1326362572 534868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabble! < 1326362576 95711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway; in most Sonic games you collect (usually 7) Chaos Emeralds, and then can transform into Super Sonic; when you've got 3+Knuckles plugged in and continue to the latter half after collecting all, you can start collecting Super Emeralds and transform into Hyper Sonic. (Yes, I know how stupid it sounds.) < 1326362576 519287 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabble rabble rabble! < 1326362611 684095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326362621 821323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and hyper sonic does what? < 1326362634 889057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Super Sonic, except more. < 1326362637 83024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also super sonic? Nintendo can't have been happy with that one) < 1326362663 984602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were originally to be released as one game.[2] However, due to time and money contraints, it was later split into two separate games. However, Sonic & Knuckles contained "Lock-on Technology", where the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge would be put in the Sega Genesis system, and then another game could be placed onto the top of the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge itself.[3]" < 1326362787 23329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna take back my comments about post-megadrive/genesis sonics < 1326362797 677574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, oh? < 1326362813 88958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have indeed not played any, or looked in depth into the question < 1326362823 718401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326362831 474090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Help!! The anti-ByteString-for-Unicode contingent is failing!! < 1326362837 961743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I looked at some lets play of the last one at least < 1326362853 91854 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, man, I did my part. < 1326362856 892448 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting involved. < 1326362860 687672 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any more.) < 1326362861 626230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some kfc and i upset my teeth < 1326362868 962620 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor's orders. It's bad for my mental health. < 1326362893 238620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IM CRYIN;G < 1326362899 715769 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-009-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1326362902 916858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have an idea < 1326362912 633834 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just... Ignore. < 1326362918 572624 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let them use their ByteStrings for text. < 1326362924 570135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They should have merged that Text/UTF-8 stuff just to shut people up about it. < 1326362929 134936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: Help!! The anti-ByteString-for-Unicode contingent is failing!! <-- what is it about? < 1326362931 452037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ByteStrings for breakfast. < 1326362934 337005 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will never shut up about anything < 1326362946 959165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about including the data to describe each character in the beginning of the document < 1326362990 52646 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326362996 395069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like {A = the 2 lines of length 1 forming a 30 degree angle from the top to the bottom and a line in the middle < 1326363002 413644 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1326363013 679967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, a PDF file with embedded fonts? < 1326363033 226633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't ByteStrings mostly for handling (large) amounts of binary data? As opposed to actual text? < 1326363037 738834 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, elliott GreaseMonkey (does GreaseMonkey want on the list?) update < 1326363039 253950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm embedded fonts yeah, thats the word i didnt know until now < 1326363039 925368 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1326363065 440040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1326363065 707889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use embedded fonts on every document :D < 1326363071 858789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad elliott GreaseMonkey got updated < 1326363080 889011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you usually embed the used subset of the font in .pdfs < 1326363082 96478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was getting so rusty < 1326363084 744828 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1326363087 22563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally unlike his formerly-greasy self < 1326363094 751335 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326363136 512355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so embedded fonts probably isn't the solution to unicode < 1326363141 571085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this must be how dogs see < 1326363147 384988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, obviously < 1326363147 973916 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is a disease, we have the cure < 1326363153 539413 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cure is that foreigners need to learn english < 1326363162 870311 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mathematicians should quit their abstract mumbo jumbo and use real words < 1326363187 17271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? Through recursive quotations? < 1326363220 278788 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will convert to ASCII and use the other 128 bytes to encode a series of pleasing softcore pornographic images < 1326363234 288352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why softcore? < 1326363245 364484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway speaking of stacking cartridges, http://withfriendship.com/images/i/44407/sega-32x.jpg (It's rather slow to load, but did so finally, at least for me.) < 1326363268 203981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, *waits* < 1326363276 154746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all mathematicians should define a mapping of abstract mumbo jumbo words to real words < 1326363285 422985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1326363285 959873 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, they have that < 1326363289 868021 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "learn math" < 1326363293 871343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is it? < 1326363312 503755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to rephrase " also mathematicians should quit their abstract mumbo jumbo and use real words" for irony < 1326363324 640406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is the sonic stuff, and a game genie, what are the rest? < 1326363347 214337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : unicode is a disease, we have the cure < 1326363347 370442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the cure is that foreigners need to learn english < 1326363351 422721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen people express this opinion seriously < 1326363356 770187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The bottom layer is a Mega-CD; you put a regular MegaDrive on top to get a CD thing; then stacked on that is a Sega 32X, it's a MegaDrive add-on which has some 32-bit SH2s or whatever, I can't recall the details. < 1326363379 773127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326363388 825893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thing between that an the game genie? < 1326363401 807737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can't quite make out what the red-rimmed thing is, and the grey thing seems to say 'cleaning system'. < 1326363408 962680 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure < 1326363411 85071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also: what happened if you put a sonic & knuckles in another sonic & knuckles? < 1326363420 403132 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will also express seriously the opinion that the jews should be rounded up & killed < 1326363424 857811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It exploded. < 1326363430 117975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really? < 1326363437 136395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think there are two Sonic & Knuckleses in that pile. < 1326363440 764661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326363442 612415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1326363456 584684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that tower would actually run, but it looks fancy. < 1326363460 316958 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Germany it is illegal to disparage Unicode < 1326363483 512565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess with enough cartridges you could make a large circle of them. I doubt there isn't any sideways movement possible. < 1326363516 129501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly considers answering http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8832624/any-good-articles-on-optimizing-haskell-code.
< 1326363527 767340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have seen people express this opinion seriously <-- ouch < 1326363528 369275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more cool if the combined object resembled a humanoid robot with a sword < 1326363547 536945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's another confusing contraption: https://img.skitch.com/20111206-bg8k8khjfknd7siqbj825nph18.jpg < 1326363580 360664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure if that tower would actually run, but it looks fancy. <-- hm I guess there could be issues with power, and at some point also the signal levels < 1326363591 623698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not quite as absurd < 1326363608 111404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what it should resemble http://gadgetsin.com/uploads/2011/11/robot_shaped_4_port_usb_hub_3.jpg < 1326363636 890868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but big flat thing without support for most of it looks dangerous to the connector < 1326363667 67041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the Robozzle Silverlight interface can be made to work
< 1326363677 561183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah. I don't really know what they have there; there's the more compact Mega-CD unit, but I can't be sure what's under the 32X. The game second-to-top is Sonic & Knuckles again, but I'm not sure what that thing is where the controller wires go. < 1326363711 875683 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-046.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326363730 823686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no description offered on the page it was on? < 1326363743 166252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was a second-hand find. < 1326363747 327748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326363752 6031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same for the other picture? < 1326363773 240401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. "I can’t quite name everything I see in this picture, so if someone wants us to give a piece by piece rundown feel free." < 1326363775 256058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that cleaning system thingy looks highly suspect. Cleaning what. < 1326363798 739114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's a commenter. "You’ve got a Sega 32X plugged into the base console (as it should be) but then the Master System adapter plugged into that (which may or may not be a functional combination), then a cleaning cartredge plugged into the master system adapter (which is just a piece of plastic with scrubby bits on the ends), so that completely breaks any functionality it may have had. Then a Game Geneie, two copies of Sonic and Knuckles (no reaso < 1326363798 912418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :n) and then Sonic 3. Also, a Sega CD to the side." < 1326363817 363850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About the biggest functional stack you could have would be Console + Sega CD + 32x, +Game Genie + Sonic & Knuckles, + another cart. < 1326363817 520153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe if the 32x supports the master system adapter you could have Console + CD + 32x + Master System Adapter + Master System cart. (I don’t think there was a master system game genie)" < 1326363853 351600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326363894 298377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, Sega once made a handheld that played MegaDrive cartridges, so purely theoretically (and connector-wise) you could also plug in all that stuff (well, not the Mega-CD) into this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sega-Nomad-Front.png < 1326363908 653253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably look even more ludicrous. < 1326363914 591753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326363934 401245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"32X Add-on: Cannot be played on the Nomad due to an obscure cartridge shape that can't fit in the Nomad's cartridge slot." < 1326363935 360882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1326363941 374435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm imagining a project to plug as many pieces of tech into each other as possible. < 1326363963 17407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, start from a laptop with a shitload of USB hubs, then USB adapters to everything, ..., TV, console, catridge, ... < 1326363967 336385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could fill a house with it. < 1326363969 795516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think 32X would run (at least for long) with batteries, anyway. < 1326364002 576134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got 30 minutes of battery life with non-rechargable batteries, anyway. :p < 1326364021 988626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326364053 482567 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone ever make a laptop that's powered by a small internal combustion engine < 1326364060 290454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hi, how can I create a list with an immutable length please? < 1326364070 377089 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ones on model aircraft < 1326364072 980166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, you could probably do even more with a desktop < 1326364093 54869 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: All the frustration of #haskell, with none of the good parts of #haskell! < 1326364114 360873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have like 8 USB 2 ports on the back (iirc), two USB 3 ports, two USB 2 on the front and one USB 3 on the front < 1326364125 193321 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 in the front, 1 in the back < 1326364128 842088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yep! < 1326364141 893989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that sounds more like a laptop? < 1326364148 412210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it would be the side there < 1326364162 145426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, misread the context < 1326364162 816030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've had some fuel cell laptop prototypes, but that probably doesn't count as a combustion engine. < 1326364173 299870 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now merijn will guess not only the question but the entire backstory of the question-asker < 1326364183 961258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1326364190 349271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: elliott: I suspect python experience, because python's tuples are essentially immutable lists < 1326364239 804706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the most USB ports I ever seen on a laptop was 6 hm. 2-4 is more usual < 1326364262 507639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thus the hubs. < 1326364277 997818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but there is a limit to the number of devices on a single host controller < 1326364279 204707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 iirc < 1326364299 498656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since every port on my desktop has a separate host controller that means a lot more devices < 1326364309 821288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I never said it had to work. < 1326364314 577729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1326364318 412837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it had to < 1326364329 120992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be cooler. < 1326364418 739406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I also have firewire hm (and so does my laptop). Might be rather hard to find any device that supports that these days < 1326364420 24535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can connect any amount of computers with wires (the technical term is "net-work", I believe) but maybe that's contrary to the spirit. < 1326364434 982532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I believe the limit for firewire is 63 devices? < 1326364437 341464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1326364438 722446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :per chain < 1326364492 925727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well obviously you could easily fill a house with that yes. And networked printers (especially since those tend to be rather large), NASes and what not < 1326364521 959422 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's fill the planet with interconnected computers < 1326364523 324349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, you want to optimise for the number of different device-types. < 1326364525 623971 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it "the internet" < 1326364528 544584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some kind of... internetworking? < 1326364531 49628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They make those clevur eSATA/USB hybrid ports into laptops too these days. < 1326364542 512943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I have one or two eSATA ports too < 1326364547 181470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the hybrid ones < 1326364553 691704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my desktop) < 1326364561 267173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no such thing on my laptop, it is too old) < 1326364573 96854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, uh, almost 3 years) < 1326364579 129790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As the port is designed to work with both SATA and USB, neither organization has formally approved it. USB-IF states it does not support any connector used by other standards, these combo ports are to be used at your own risk,[1] -- < 1326364590 286180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You'll plug your eye out?" < 1326364599 485263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\?/!/ < 1326364604 620294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? < 1326364630 308095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "at your own risk" makes it sound like that. < 1326364637 544319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about that new intel/apple thingy. The uh, lightsomething < 1326364640 155079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name of it < 1326364648 377356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderbolt. < 1326364651 100277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326364658 73622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm pretty sure it used to be lightsomething < 1326364661 44452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they rename it? < 1326364668 77494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening. < 1326364689 363687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light Peak was a codename for it. < 1326364691 76721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything use it (apart from apple products)? < 1326364693 929889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah okay < 1326364770 944224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmCVYbTWU60 < 1326364870 698212 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-046.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1326364959 428247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm they dropped the actual fibre stuff? How boring < 1326364988 651009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't send power over fibre (yet). < 1326365008 73366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's just boring copper. < 1326365015 362930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes you could by using a solar cell thingy at the end :P < 1326365039 547006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more seriously you could use fibre for the data and copper for the power in the same cable < 1326365094 672147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not like you wouldn't need separate wires for data and power anyway < 1326365127 961585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well okay, you can do networking over the mains and such, but iirc performance is rather bad) < 1326365210 656227 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-wire does it < 1326365235 840306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copper is also cheaper, which is probably the more important reason. < 1326365249 535716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm, not familiar with that bus (though I heard the name before, and thought "what a generic name"). But what is the data rate over that? < 1326365258 575564 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dallas 1-wire < 1326365260 632565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how does it form a circuit? < 1326365263 125104 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the data rate is not that high < 1326365269 329425 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2 wires incl. ground < 1326365273 31494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1326365279 630752 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ground wire and a power/data wire < 1326365305 947242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, anyway for high speed connections (over copper) you usually use differential signaling afaik < 1326365310 625491 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1326365329 151077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that works for stuff like networking over the mains < 1326365339 618664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really do that there < 1326365350 717401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite 2x2x10Gbps over 1-wire, I don't think. < 1326365367 82248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1326365398 795891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of data rate does 1-wire have? I would guess in the range of kbps < 1326365485 256415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also youtube just spazzed out. It now says that every video was uploaded 42 years ago for me < 1326365486 83743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1326365504 309660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the channel video list thingy) < 1326365510 793405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the date on the actual video is correct) < 1326365517 428334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no, they are not correct < 1326365519 882167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all today < 1326365521 819901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf < 1326365680 525569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the common ("homeplug"/IEEE1901) ethernet-over-power-lines just uses fancy modulation (xDSL-style) and high-enough frequencies, so that they carry over the neutral wire. < 1326365688 627794 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-039-043.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326365701 270881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326365728 245266 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they transmit only around the AC zero crossing, or all the time < 1326365731 82198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, xDSL uses phase modulation iirc? < 1326365751 832327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I have to admit I have no clue how it works) < 1326365797 877025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know of that thing solely thanks to menuconfig. < 1326365819 263617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah yes that is where I have seen 1-wire before < 1326365821 848670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1326365858 725921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was fun < 1326365863 79147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going over past exam questions in a tutorial < 1326365869 900296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a "spot the six mistakes in this code" question < 1326365871 377758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we found nine < 1326365874 577256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326365914 913323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, were three of them much less obvious than the other 6? < 1326365937 442265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1326365942 478358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1326365943 749821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some of them stemmed from the same root cause < 1326365948 343244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326365956 177591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an array that wasn't initialized at all, and initializing it just brought up more problems < 1326365968 470751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language was it? < 1326365978 105527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java < 1326365981 903429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326365991 753080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would have been the same in C, apart from the different syntax for allocating an array on the heap < 1326366056 624979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I seem to recall at least ADSL supporting more than one modulation scheme (admittedly they could all be phase-related variants), using the "most suitable" one for each frequency subband. But I'm no telecomm engineer. < 1326366083 599732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possible < 1326366223 80791 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-039-043.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1326366420 917135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least QAM is used, and that's sort-of amplitude-and-phase-modulation. < 1326366490 308981 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have all the (Be)Funge specifications I'm aware of but no tutorials, sorry. < 1326366496 689496 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had alcohol in his mouth :/
< 1326366515 549222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, QAM? < 1326366526 985328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "Quadrature amplitude modulation" < 1326366531 555281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is that < 1326366544 319254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what they use very much. < 1326366549 83399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326366573 39918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ais523 was looking for a funge tutorial? Why? < 1326366602 690429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how many esolangs have tutorials? < 1326366604 916538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: email request < 1326366613 177646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326366617 233700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, due to IFFI? < 1326366621 174860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326366625 999044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to me being known as an esolanger < 1326366628 125158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326366641 955241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a single esolang that I know of any tutorial for < 1326366675 398092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are there intercal tutorials? < 1326366682 640627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's possible to have an "uninitialized" array in Java; all you can have is an array with elements initialized to their default values, which might informally count as one. (Cf. JLS 15.10.1p5 "Run-time Evaluation of Array Creation Expressions: ...array is created of the specified length, and each component of the array is initialized to its default value...") < 1326366690 969630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one unfinished one by Clinton Forbes < 1326366700 490312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant a null pointer where an array should be < 1326366704 520590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326366727 211030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering about writing one myself, but I'm not sure if there's an audience < 1326366733 74891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll write a monad tutorial instead to annoy elliott < 1326366752 868771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I might read it. Actually being able to code in intercal would be cool < 1326366775 554144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does that "unfinished one" equal the "Diving into INTERCAL" blog? < 1326366789 307235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the name's at the end of the comments; apparently so. < 1326366806 162587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1326366823 921904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the author got lost right around when he tried to make a non-infinite loop < 1326366824 78078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which animal would the O'Reilly INTERCAL book have? < 1326366849 318181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it wouldn't, it'd be an O'Reilly book but it'd have something that no other O'Reilly book has on its cover < 1326366859 192736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different in nature, rather than just a different animal < 1326366888 231104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'Reilly has quite a few non-animal books already. < 1326366920 201874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case, it'd have to just not have a cover at all < 1326366942 986859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a set of "X Hacks" books which have tool covers, for example. < 1326366948 294394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps I'll write a monad tutorial instead to annoy elliott < 1326366956 647489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is "annoyance" an appropriate description of a murder? < 1326366966 858513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo had alcohol in his mouth :/ < 1326366969 709852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You am will die now. < 1326366982 833161 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-103.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326367022 702583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So which animal would the O'Reilly INTERCAL book have? < 1326367025 261350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alot, perhaps? < 1326367029 920018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also you SPACED AFTER THAT QUESTION AGAIN. < 1326367040 162567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT KEEPS HAPPENING. < 1326367044 478095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I set up a bot that does annoying things on "\? $"? < 1326367046 182210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even: happening. < 1326367050 299960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might help you kick the habit. < 1326367052 510707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you care about that space? < 1326367057 578628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's bad for him. < 1326367060 773436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why < 1326367068 993006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as the enigma punctuation style ! < 1326367077 24501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stop being irresponsible. < 1326367082 969644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Isn't that just French? < 1326367091 106182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I'm curious. < 1326367120 283801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps, but it still gets on my nerves slightly < 1326367127 729304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when sentences I write, in English, are corrected to it < 1326367136 398589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1326367144 63227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if there are Funge-98 tutorials in the #esoteric logs < 1326367149 622156 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do the There She Is animations take so long to load? < 1326367159 644199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a level I submitted to Enigma is officially called "Choices, choices ..." < 1326367178 920903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1326367181 694851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kill them all < 1326367200 500624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should play Enigma
< 1326367210 65701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do < 1326367213 640791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if development is mostly dead < 1326367213 797137 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it annoying to play with a touchpad? < 1326367220 237646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got used to it surprisingly quickly < 1326367225 326229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does take some getting used to, though < 1326367241 396034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of tweaking of the mouse speed option (which you can do using left and right in-game, so they probably realised it'd be necessary) < 1326367247 218151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I never managed to play it with a trackpoint < 1326367273 450683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need that tweaking when using the mouse depending on the level < 1326367276 600350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trackpoint sounds perfect for enigma < 1326367301 746356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it really isn't < 1326367311 680797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the level of control is too low < 1326367321 558879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not exact enough < 1326367351 119418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367352 406927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there so few trackballs around? I want to fondle some balls. :/ < 1326367364 549567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have a trackball on the desktop at home, because there isn't enough table space for a mouse < 1326367376 64994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumb trackball, I find them much superior to the finger-controlled versions < 1326367386 385965 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367446 888032 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ais523: what's the opposite of infinitesimal?" on hyperreals, you can at least say finite for all nonzero values in R afaik. < 1326367452 681442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those "rod mice" are weird too. I don't know the term for it. There's a horizontally positioned rod, slightly like an oversized pencil, and you rotate it to go up/down, and do something, I don't know quite what, to move sideways. < 1326367454 265351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do they compare to mice? < 1326367457 420566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i was looking for something a little snappier < 1326367461 375438 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ais523 already answered < 1326367478 765029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The privilege of fondling balls is restricted to the chosen few. < 1326367519 333481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: easy to use but slightly slower < 1326367544 231315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to use in what way? Better precision or what? < 1326367566 842542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really obviously convey the assumptions behind Fitt's Law; with a mouse moving it is one motion and the adjustments are subconcious, with a trackball you notice yourself making them < 1326367568 267248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I can't find even a picture of the horizontal-rod thing. What *are* they called? < 1326367569 665420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't say easier to use < 1326367576 382377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, they aren't massively difficult to use < 1326367589 726074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326367591 155436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread < 1326367592 39655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1326367593 939001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367596 485592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367598 15692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367599 490687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367601 7056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367603 101147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1326367608 435951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo test < 1326367611 136721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: trying to find funge tutorials in the logs < 1326367619 999744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-98, that is < 1326367621 292681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt spamming it helps < 1326367627 938421 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367628 744566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted five different results < 1326367639 557926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought pastelog includes all < 1326367645 118487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"past", not "paste". < 1326367647 447572 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1326367650 986194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1326367656 51346 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367667 334647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems what you got was five similar results, sadly. < 1326367667 737329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastelog's an interesting thought < 1326367668 798110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be too much output, though < 1326367671 800010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try anyway < 1326367673 276442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367673 432630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367673 588830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367673 815436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367673 971829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367674 217086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog funge < 1326367684 716462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c Gah, I can't find even a picture of the horizontal-rod thing. What *are* they called? < 1326367686 332408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Roller mice? < 1326367699 480111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1326367705 48650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1326367706 660055 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm, we say a minsky machine is somewhat reversible if it has only one configuration (say state f, zero counters) where it doesn't have a successor and only one config (say state i, zero counters) which doesn't have a predecessor, and it's injective on all configs. < 1326367716 903104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd'nvr've thought. < 1326367725 636686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("never" is not really easy to stick in like that.) < 1326367729 11673 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it undecidable whether you reach the final config from the initial one? < 1326367735 942050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd'ne'er've thought. < 1326367771 190171 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367787 435218 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need this for a paper, but i don't know anything about minsky machines because computer science is such bleh :/ < 1326367823 207693 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367823 363809 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367823 499624 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367828 120160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gah, I can't find even a picture of the horizontal-rod thing. What *are* they called? <-- oh yes, I only remember seeing them in the context of health care receptionists and similar < 1326367829 597739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: sorry we're all programmers here try #computejerisjojicience < 1326367833 793368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what do you mean by injective, here? < 1326367848 28478 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all configs that have successors have different successors < 1326367859 670706 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all except the final config that doesn't have a successor. < 1326367889 388484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was going to pigeonhole principle it, but then realised there are infinitely many states (obviously) < 1326367901 824834 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367901 980609 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367903 515145 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367904 50158 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well infinitely many configurations < 1326367905 298754 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367905 835847 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1326367912 973057 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326367944 307163 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a state part taken from a finite set and a finite number of counters. values for those together i call a config < 1326367944 713822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the logs repo? < 1326367962 502407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do this on my local machine, easier that way < 1326367975 510015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-40.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1326367995 522469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !logs < 1326368000 366726 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this we'd get that stability of a CA from a zero entropy SFT is undecidable < 1326368000 905856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1326368018 191569 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by running the machine backwards and some magic < 1326368044 531463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1326368095 843968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I don't see an obvious reason why reversibility would suddenly make termination decidable in an infinite-state program < 1326368099 699344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ofc that's not the same thing as a proof < 1326368200 482329 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversibility certainly doesn't, but the specific problem statement might. < 1326368230 338241 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible minsky machines have a lot of undecidable problems, but we need a concrete reduction < 1326368237 618619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wait, how many counters does this machine have? < 1326368253 294755 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many as you like. two will suffice. < 1326368262 529905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two always suffices) < 1326368265 44763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, ofc < 1326368269 71142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: zero, one, infinity < 1326368290 602147 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't apply when you can prove something different happens at 2. < 1326368301 651894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ob9oj/til_about_planethaskellorg/c3g3rfp?context=1 < 1326368305 113810 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this one is way better: http://hpaste.org/56369 < 1326368306 52420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know what you have to do... < 1326368307 433286 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not restricting the counters anyway. < 1326368329 681067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you need pseq, not seq < 1326368331 250553 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :given various assumptions about GHC, it even won't segfault < 1326368334 912390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F- sloppy < 1326368337 314437 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux < 1326368337 470661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1326368341 371541 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right though < 1326368344 704652 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hangs head in shame
< 1326368347 463838 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the journal version, we're planning to completely characterize the types of computation CA can do depending on the particular subshift < 1326368372 739997 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zero entropy sofic subshift) < 1326368382 260043 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( unsafePerformIO ( evaluate x >> return y ) ) < 1326368398 136444 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be so awesome and no one will ever read it :) < 1326368400 725034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that just pseq but slower < 1326368409 418570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: heh < 1326368413 307723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I feel that way about my papers < 1326368416 29623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO (return $! x >>= return >> return y) -- i cba to expand it beyond this < 1326368426 582491 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeDupablePerformIO ( evaluate x >> return y ) < 1326368431 20382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, pseq uses that lazy trick < 1326368438 101694 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (>=> return) < 1326368485 314366 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 7 papers of original research now where i'm a coauthor (or sole author), so technically i could write up two phd theses based on those. < 1326368493 962762 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think this one is almost a reasonable api for users < 1326368500 616803 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except just# nothing# == nothing# < 1326368507 411097 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4 are required, 3 would probably be tolerated) < 1326368509 566308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just special-case nothing# in just# < 1326368515 196431 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1326368520 106229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by dynamically allocating new nothings < 1326368524 184731 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many pigeons, not enough holes < 1326368533 367754 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if elliott will love me if i do two phds this year. < 1326368542 243479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: y < 1326368544 402122 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, at the same time? < 1326368550 27741 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes. < 1326368554 227024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- A nullary constructor gives a distinguished boxed value. < 1326368554 383327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nothing# = Nothing# < 1326368558 152338 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that i'm planning to do 0 < 1326368558 844515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so if it's boxed what does the # represent < 1326368560 16025 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never "done" anyone with a PhD
< 1326368568 335682 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dope < 1326368575 922911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-09-25 15:50:10: I'm afraid I'll end up writing a mathematica-based befunge interpreter. happens with every new language I learn. < 1326368584 541390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah < 1326368609 953016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Never did. (Or if I did, I've forgotten about it.) < 1326368613 693365 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man now i'm embarrassed i've never slept with anyone who has a graduate degree < 1326368621 942778 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less two of them at the same time < 1326368622 98604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, I'm vaguely glad you didn't < 1326368633 864806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my hatred for mathematica is greater than my love for befunge < 1326368657 61677 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does masturbation count? < 1326368658 442381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some "pretty pictures with IFS" and that was about it. < 1326368661 220249 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-103.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1326368670 877376 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't have a graduate degree, so no < 1326368683 853142 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, someone without a PhD, programming Haskell < 1326368685 330897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make the rules based on whether you would win o_O < 1326368687 154120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Earn Earn Earn Earn Money Money Online Poundpyramid.com" < 1326368687 693078 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds impossible but here i am < 1326368694 347302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like a plausible search query… < 1326368727 403172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you at least get your degree in haskell < 1326368733 902817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most academic of subjects < 1326368748 973614 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nonexistent degree? < 1326368749 851043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know i want to earn earn earn earn money money online poundpyramid.com < 1326368760 124491 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poundpyramid.com sounds legit enough < 1326368779 82077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pound scheme < 1326368791 439971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: possibly is, spambots often spam the names of legit sites to try to beat them in the search rankings < 1326368806 327035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many people search for a site rather than just visiting it… < 1326368857 448608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's squatted < 1326368889 331221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Language list‎; 07:32 . . (-790) . . 76.174.173.118 (Talk) (dag yall they was spammin up that shizzle i love this site i do not wanna see some spammed up sheezy) < 1326368889 487361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Language list‎; 03:48 . . (+266) . . 149.255.39.50 (Talk) (Kathy, the content you have graciously shared with us every once in a while is both inspiring and entertaining. And a blog is the perfect medium for this. A lot of the content is about your style and) < 1326368901 544519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004-09-14 21:49:24: what's rms? 21:51:31: ZeroOne: richard stallman, stallman.org < 1326368907 487357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1326368950 52274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, 2004-11-04 is an awesome log, read all of it (it's also very short) < 1326368983 680629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly short < 1326369005 140863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004-11-05 is in the same "genre". < 1326369025 922630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, two days later slava joins < 1326369032 810325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's slava? < 1326369037 602136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pestov < 1326369042 711885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1326369047 346078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of him, but can't remember why < 1326369048 48666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, jDoctor, I remembe that name from old #concatenative logs... I guess it must have been mentioned there < 1326369050 872071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jEdit, Factor < 1326369055 461129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1326369060 111658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember now < 1326369090 800812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this channel really has got more active over time < 1326369093 136405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it feels like less < 1326369097 695212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got less ontopic, though < 1326369106 7147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:33: i'm working on stack effect inference for postfix languages < 1326369106 203222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, factor has that < 1326369114 447566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feels like less? < 1326369121 831087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time people said this channel was dying was like 2005 < 1326369128 250855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it's less active < 1326369135 305023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that I have rose-tinted memories of it < 1326369144 57439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I probably considered bsmnt_bot ontopic < 1326369165 388955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are you talking about activity as number of lines said or number of persons saying stuff? < 1326369171 896878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh, just came across Gregor's first visit to the channel, advertising FYB < 1326369177 540949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty much any plausible metric < 1326369184 613390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even absolute amount of ontopic conversation, possibly < 1326369184 881070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because elliott talks a lot (and so did I use to, I think I'm less active these days) < 1326369187 575690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than proportion) < 1326369190 277714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so do I < 1326369194 238734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of "q" letters spoken. < 1326369205 447780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:28:34: why do you have those discussions at 05-06am? < 1326369205 604084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:28: I don't < 1326369205 604263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:29: 05:50:44 < heatsink> ooh, you do continuations too! < 1326369205 604365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:32: see, with proof. < 1326369217 251152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should do a new graph showing who spoke most during the last year or so < 1326369218 96159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hadn't heard of time zones yet. < 1326369226 826255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1326369228 882100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so confusing. < 1326369239 968615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now... but it's not now now somewhere else. < 1326369246 181234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like... not now. Now. < 1326369253 573334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd like to amend that request: fizzie: you should do a new graph showing me to be the top in whatever it is you're grapinh. < 1326369262 990529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it could be yesterday or tomorrow now. < 1326369266 72229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1326369268 481064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mind blown* < 1326369269 230913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is. < 1326369288 502159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:04: anybody thought about building a smart compiler that could optimize by replacing poor algorithms with better ones? < 1326369288 658623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:44: so if the programmer has used e.g. bubble sort the compiler would detect that and actually use quick sort < 1326369310 255598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently genius compiler < 1326369313 782773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it always two dates on earth except in one specific instant? < 1326369325 695158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would be mostly useless, because it's easier to just use library sort rather than implement it yourself < 1326369331 470946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per 24h period of course) < 1326369335 42709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, sometimes it's three < 1326369338 596262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:31:20: not related, but mooz could perhaps say something here about his "random programs" experiments. < 1326369338 752472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:31:37: hmm < 1326369338 752659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:31:40: it's esoteric enough. < 1326369338 752766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:32:14: apparently he keeps finding composite-number-factoring algorithms at a surprisingly high rate. :p < 1326369342 503245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are timezones that are more than 24 hours off UTC < 1326369342 930028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do tell, eight years later < 1326369347 376528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay < 1326369355 705060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then I guess there are always 2 or 3 ones then < 1326369358 293275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the compiler could identify pieces of code that seem to remake an stdlib algo and give a warning though < 1326369372 816856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you mean 12 hours off? < 1326369377 545780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think there are; I mean, there are timezones with more than 24 hours difference between them, but... < 1326369391 846916 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-040-142.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326369393 137514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the channel turned 9 years old last month < 1326369405 150881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh nice, and we completely missed the bday < 1326369413 364812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has it been logged from the start? < 1326369418 451465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: almost < 1326369424 103653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought there were < 1326369431 713490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I must have meant more than 12 < 1326369439 420849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1326369446 49364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFNet #esoterica: 9 dec 2002; lament proposes OpenProjects 8 dec (?!); "OK, so now we can be found at OPN, #esoteric (it's ours!)." 9 dec < 1326369452 749034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway why more than 12 hours off? That is just silly < 1326369457 918096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -- 8 dec was in UTC-0800 < 1326369465 47873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, 9 dec < 1326369466 415894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, befunge.org was all the rage back in 2005 < 1326369470 71719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when are your early logs from, again? < 1326369471 498535 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, 'cause it sucks if your neighbors are on a different day from you < 1326369473 664436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's been gone so long people can't even be bothered to squat it < 1326369484 319356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or fizzie is hanging onto the domain but isn't using it for anything < 1326369487 872975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It goes up to UTC+14 in one direction, but only UTC-12 the other. < 1326369488 678205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm < 1326369496 851149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he noted it was going to be dropped in here < 1326369497 695701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :14? wow < 1326369498 904372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, I let it expire. < 1326369523 123116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, I'm shocked it isn't being squatted < 1326369530 223918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought expired domains got squatted forever just i ncase < 1326369531 201903 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Chatham Islands are 45 minutes ahead of New Zealand rather than 23 hours 15 minutes behind < 1326369559 420372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so /did/ you ever teach your girlfriend befunge? < 1326369576 962407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, 45 minutes. So not even full hour steps... < 1326369582 50856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Disagreed. In my way of thinking, scopes are static, and I/O is no more < 1326369582 206324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in violation of scopes than passing of parameters or other such phenomena." < 1326369583 322870 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a British colony, Kiribati was centered in the Gilbert Islands, just west of the old date line. Upon independence in 1979, the new republic acquired the Phoenix and Line Islands from the United States and the country found itself straddling the date line. Government offices on opposite sides of the line could only communicate by radio or telephone on the four days of the week when both sides experienced weekdays simultaneously. A con < 1326369583 590895 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence of this time zone revision was that Kiribati, by virtue of its easternmost territory, the Line Islands, including the inhabited Kiritimati island, started the year 2000 on its territory before any other country on earth, a feature which the Kiribati government capitalized upon as a potential tourist draw." < 1326369586 179873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall when they are, and it's always such a chore to find them. There weren't very many days' worth of them. < 1326369592 537614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : languages that definitely should stay in wikipedia, are in my opinion the following: brainfuck, befunge, thue, malbolge, unlambda < 1326369593 610689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: seems like esoteric discussion being off-topic dates back to the lists :P < 1326369614 543907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember when we were discussing the list of top-stream esolangs? < 1326369619 121992 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UTC+14) < 1326369630 677662 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah, half-hour timezones are pretty common; 15 minute less so but there are some < 1326369635 466702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the same as our list, plus thue and malbolge, minus underload as it hadn't been invented yet < 1326369645 155588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, there are about ~40 days from the founding of the channel to clog. < 1326369650 170404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whitespace, false and shakespeare were suggested in that conversation < 1326369659 346988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, which list? < 1326369670 67643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I want a 2.512 minute timezone. < 1326369670 753614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326369684 288384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326369685 673663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I've spoken about the topic quite a few times, but not so much that you could call it "teach". < 1326369686 745058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we were discussing a while back a list of esolangs that were best-known or most worthy of study < 1326369687 280564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any other similarly small offset) < 1326369693 321080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classics of esolangs, as it were < 1326369701 391989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my list was brainfuck, intercal, unlambda, underload, malbolge, I think < 1326369720 462951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd add /// and BCT, personally < 1326369722 369961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strongly reject Thue < 1326369728 718106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is more well-known than /// < 1326369730 374690 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a few countries have declared their timezone to be centered on the capital < 1326369735 172552 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my list is toi, clue and oklotalk. < 1326369738 477675 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to shit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B04:51 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%E2%88%9200:44 < 1326369747 128677 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^__^ < 1326369748 72720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oklopol-clue, or keymaker-clue? < 1326369756 888662 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: keymaker-clue obviously < 1326369762 37883 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol-clue is just silly < 1326369762 575254 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard rumors of a Riyadh Mean Solar Time which adjusted every day based on sunrise in Riyadh < 1326369780 84316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, heh < 1326369781 730806 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few timezones so fucked it's not in the tz database < 1326369853 172647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "At 03:16 24/07/2001 -0500, Chris Pressey wrote: >Has anyone organized an esoteric IRC meeting place yet?" -- "Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:39:33 -0700 (MST) ... I hang out on EFNet when I am home, nick: calamari. But, I can also stay in undernet irc.undernet.org port 6667 channel #esolang" < 1326369856 205651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, predecessors. < 1326369862 983200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever joined *that*, though. < 1326369872 535071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "I can also". < 1326369886 1216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I imagine he joined it just because of that message. < 1326369893 124615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And left the next time his IRC client restarted. < 1326369893 566882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I first read that as Rlyeh < 1326369894 943513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1326369914 332753 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1326369955 727964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :R'lyeh standard time. I wonder what that would be like < 1326370016 700662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:12 +0300 (EEST), atehwa writes: "As for a real answer about _IRC_ channels, I think somebody founded a channel in DALnet." < 1326370032 216390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: ELABORATE < 1326370061 875809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet there's a flourishing esolangs community on some other network that we've just never heard of. < 1326370068 704998 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we know we're the real #esoteric and there's not one with 500 ppl on another network o_O < 1326370074 67292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326370075 993521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326370078 975477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's practically guaranteed now. < 1326370082 418742 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326370085 90574 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear fuck < 1326370098 680748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8834582/is-haskell-a-lisp-dialect < 1326370113 81859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone actually voted that up < 1326370123 654954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_languages#Internet_community "There is a mailing list, but it is nearly abandoned and most discussion happens on the wiki (see below) or on IRC." Perhaps *they* are the "on IRC" part of that. < 1326370194 767801 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing completeness is a favorite topic of discussion, since it is not immediately obvious whether or not a language is Turing complete, and it often takes rather large intuitive leaps to come to a solution." is this really correct usage of "intuitive leap"? < 1326370203 390901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326370216 890428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that article is very bad < 1326370226 737419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: esolang that's forward-polish, but not because it parses forward-polish, rather because it has a stack of functions < 1326370230 64730 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if i'm just misunderstanding the sentence it fundamentally < 1326370251 893486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you do reverse-polish with a stack of values < 1326370260 26481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering if you could make it concatenative < 1326370262 112704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, in May 2008 the sentence read "There is a mailing list, but it is nearly abandoned and most discussion happens on the wiki (see below)." < 1326370262 269146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it fundamentally < 1326370264 126230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus a sort of dual to Underload < 1326370264 796936 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it often does require some intuitive leaps: "well brainfuck can simulate itself so obv it's tc" < 1326370279 246256 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes not just fundamentally but IT fundamentally < 1326370283 905060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: there are sub-TC languages that can simulate themselves < 1326370288 799333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text, for example < 1326370293 392424 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1326370301 168332 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd need quite an intuitive leap to prove it tc < 1326370309 763443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris, you're saying a lot of silly things in this mailing list archive. :/ < 1326370311 9929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some "oerjan" dude has added the bit about IRC. I wonder if e means the five-thousand-person real community on NeverHeardNet, or this channel. < 1326370323 753907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's the spy sent to keep us in the dark. < 1326370324 827865 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-040-142.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1326370378 792712 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there's life outside earth? :O that would be even worse < 1326370389 315903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you consider Ruby a Lisp dialect? < 1326370403 90149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all languages are lisp dialects, apart from scheme < 1326370406 615692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never seen a channel with 5000 persons in it except when I was watching a stress test of an ircd (using bots) < 1326370407 290154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is a clojure dialect < 1326370448 380417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY SOMEBODY UPVOTED THAT QUESTION, CHRIST < 1326370481 232916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Me neither, but maybe NeverHeardNet is much more popular. (On this side of the fence, Ubuntu seems to have 1507 people at the moment.) < 1326370483 18533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but clojure is a lisp dialect by those rules. So anything that is a clojure dialect is thus a lisp dialect < 1326370496 909129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: educated stupid < 1326370505 434678 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen a channel where there was so much traffic that your messages appeared hours after you sent them. < 1326370513 186634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes #ubuntu and #gentoo were like the largest channels on here last I checked. Not sure if #gentoo is still as large < 1326370513 992828 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were only 4 ppl there though < 1326370546 749156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #ubuntu, #archlinux and #debian were the only ones in my LIST >1000 of a moment ago. < 1326370559 808493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still all Lunnux distrubtions. < 1326370576 411077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIST supports queries like that? < 1326370581 773784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I guess #ubuntu has grown, back when I checked it and #gentoo were about the same size (~950) < 1326370584 175440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: was it vjn < 1326370592 130918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode LIST does. < 1326370599 46291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: part of it < 1326370600 691512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes #archlinux is quite large < 1326370601 672567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode? More like linuxnode, amirite? < 1326370611 656032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #gentoo is only 852. < 1326370627 549547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the second most popular linux distro? < 1326370631 428476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nowdays yes < 1326370640 349385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it used to be larger < 1326370643 151850 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on my irc server, my friend made this rpg and people spammed a few megabytes of commands there. < 1326370658 696975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#pyt "NO LOL" hon has 923 people on it. < 1326370666 707940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1326370674 973603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lol! < 1326370679 641543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on which network? < 1326370682 190788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the phone spambot that keeps contacting me seems to have hired a bunch of new voice actors < 1326370690 236693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This one. < 1326370691 944635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh #python < 1326370694 12743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not #pyt < 1326370695 288990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's two different spambots that just happen to use the same script < 1326370696 988517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326370721 477483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I wanted a "firstname 'nickname' lastname" format, so had to split. < 1326370729 60609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you get spam over your phone? ouch < 1326370737 34037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, did the wire-crossing problem ever turn out to be meaningful? < 1326370739 457755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only at work < 1326370755 304644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wow < 1326370756 955858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was interested in it when I got into esolangs, and invented EL1 and Formula < 1326370761 331115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: #pyt"NO LOL"hon is the best way to do that. < 1326370771 382557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or #python "NO LOL" #python. < 1326370778 627617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : #python 923 NO LOL | NO PROJECT EULER | [...] < 1326370780 135040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1326370785 391694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they hate project euler? < 1326370793 928422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that many people, you have to rule with an IRON FIST. < 1326370799 10683 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sucks < 1326370818 90386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol can some1 help me with project euler #1 < 1326370821 683350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres my code < 1326370825 751838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Euler: < 1326370826 558864 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1326370828 753187 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll join too < 1326370829 23144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : def __init__ < 1326370829 426543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326370830 71009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326370830 229149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :"NO LOL | NO PROJECT EULER" | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326370831 64169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1326370834 929752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x=4 : < 1326370835 372211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326370836 199996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326370838 308661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326370858 140155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wth is up with the blank lines? < 1326370866 94019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy < 1326370884 762119 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1326370893 618345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: ever consider a timecube esolang? < 1326370917 646566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the question? < 1326370920 871970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to help < 1326370923 436861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello tobegnuf: < 1326370928 708569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://projecteuler.net/problem=1 < 1326370934 919007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fungot's long-lost distant relative < 1326370936 72199 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mrs randzio-plath asks whether the authority will provide this. as an auxiliary language, it can make a formal proposal that, however, the most important, namely how to determine which groups are covered by the text, as you have pointed out, that there is scope to use lower interest rates: long-term interest rates in 1994 because in 1993 the commission adopted the draft directive for the third year in succession, the ve < 1326370949 444811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fungot isn't the first funge-98 bot? < 1326370950 882937 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mr president, at a time when this house's declarations of goodwill are reflected in salaries and in professional life, and i can assure you that we have to provide more substantial financial and other intermediaries are already well behind schedule: it is not work that could be, and is presenting a new directive to the mining of metal fnord. upon my refusal, the perspectives have not been implemented for twenty years n < 1326370956 515950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09:37: JOIN < 1326370957 741401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09:38: Hello xij < 1326370960 868929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" John: I can't reproduce the problem, and I don't see where the memory could be leaking" he's trying to REPRODUCE a problem he already solved :o pythonists are crazy! < 1326370965 214127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's unclear whether fungebot was -98 or -93 < 1326370966 622510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lmao < 1326371008 684812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i solve a problem i immediately start running to keep my state of blissful thinking i did it rightness. < 1326371036 737266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's a time-traveling fungot. < 1326371037 407803 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i would like to say, i support the amendments that we tabled and opens the way to resolve the armenia embargo and border issue. lastly, the commission is obliged to support the amendments made to mr jarzembowski. < 1326371037 675975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm when was that funge bot from? < 1326371053 939684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog < 1326371061 283883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already gone way past that page < 1326371062 770833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've been reading The Haskell Road to Logic, Maths and Programming by Doets and Eijck 2004. It seems to be a well respected book, but I was struck when it claims that Haskell is a member of the Lisp family. Would anyone else agree with that? I would characterise Lisps with s-expressions, impure functions, and lists as the only composite data structure. Haskell has none of that. What do you think?" < 1326371063 38516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326371063 195029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1326371063 195230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326371064 474397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't echo to the channel < 1326371064 630465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, but what was the argument the authors gave? – Tobu Jan 14 '11 at 22:24 < 1326371066 532390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1326371068 488248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1326371072 322274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :None! They are giving a general introduction and say 'as a functional language, Haskell is part of the Lisp family along with ML, Occam and Clean'. – Bob Bobson Jan 14 '11 at 22:29 < 1326371072 322425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and did it use netcat or SOCK? And can anyone find the source? < 1326371077 997357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog < 1326371079 383048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you remember to use -i? < 1326371082 215557 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-07-19.txt:00:14:18: Hello }^nevaR^{ < 1326371084 474760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's going to take me a while to check every mention of befunge in the channel ever < 1326371088 11875 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-07-19.txt:00:14:18: Hello }^nevaR^{ < 1326371089 908495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326371091 339457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :}^nevaR^{ < 1326371091 876415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1326371092 426201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1326371102 74362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you know who made it? < 1326371104 787476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By a curious coincidence, my logs don't show a "fungebot" at all. It must've been during one of my periodic absences from the channel. < 1326371115 616242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: jix < 1326371118 278898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326371121 221733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To think, that I missed a fungebot. :/ < 1326371122 698480 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :}^nevaR^{: you never asked #python for help with your problem < 1326371124 650011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is here right now < 1326371126 298825 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You weren't around much circa 2005, were you? < 1326371126 703058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could ask him < 1326371127 655771 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sry < 1326371131 334284 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: constantly idle < 1326371148 53468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326371148 662462 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326371151 82571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nickping sometimes works < 1326371155 850685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a /msg sometimes works if a nickping doesn't < 1326371167 321827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: hi! Do you have any info on that fungebot from 2005? Was it in befunge-93 or funge-98? And do you still have the source? < 1326371179 55948 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell jix hi < 1326371179 457625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1326371198 971184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix tried to do something with thue once and failed. i don't recall what. < 1326371219 287456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:36:55: Could you write this exact line to this channel? < 1326371220 493176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:37:46: Could I write what exact line to this channel? < 1326371231 130425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of IRP quines < 1326371241 37631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was back when that was not trivial < 1326371252 66627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :}^nevaR^{: I have missing months of 2003-06, 2003-08, 2005-09, 2006-04, 2007-04, 2007-10, 2008-01 and 2008-02. On all other months (since 2002-12) I've been on-channel at least once during the month. < 1326371267 36392 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: were you in jail? < 1326371281 248434 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: impressively, that is-haskell-a-lisp question is a /duplicate/ < 1326371299 738715 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How many days out of the total days the channel has existed have you been present? Percentage-wise. < 1326371308 487761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for any arbitrary language you only just heard of, it makes sense to ask if it's a lisp variant < 1326371309 718877 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I need to calculate how aggressively to request your logs from you. < 1326371320 60014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I thought you used a bouncer? < 1326371322 551688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a stupid question if you already know the answer < 1326371330 371823 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the other one was going based on a /haskell book/ claiming it was a lisp dialect < 1326371332 554578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: In 2003-06 I probably was "working" (civil service) in Vankeinhoidon koulutuskeskus, if that counts. < 1326371336 963625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie- VERSION bip-0.8.2 < 1326371337 119754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 2.6.35-31-generic [x86_64/2.00GHz/SMP] < 1326371337 119864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie- VERSION irssi v0.8.15 < 1326371337 768385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326371339 913284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably yes < 1326371350 252742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that counts. < 1326371356 747986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts to fucking million. < 1326371364 670816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nowadays; but only since 2009-03; before that, irssi. < 1326371369 463412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326371375 166575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, bip is a bouncer is it? < 1326371383 466304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: could you translate for the non-finns in the audience? < 1326371392 317568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. (Not that I had a disconnection habit with the irssi connection either.) < 1326371398 802168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :education center for taking care of prisoners. < 1326371400 696321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326371402 170481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a stupid translation < 1326371420 38107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite understand what it means so that's the best i can do. < 1326371422 53624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been renamed to Rikosseuraamusalan koulutuskeskus now, anyway. < 1326371433 324326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is it for? < 1326371435 84892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how you educate taking care of prisoners < 1326371435 890738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Training Institute for Prison and Probation Services" is the official translation. < 1326371436 627974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so were you sent there as a punishment? < 1326371442 773596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326371445 628139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :punishment for p < 1326371447 103054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :askdjf < 1326371449 84597 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: punishment for being finnish < 1326371452 952787 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1326371458 468578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Civil service; it's an alternative for the regular compulsory military service. < 1326371467 196551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you still have conscription? < 1326371468 846916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :punishment for being a latent rapist < 1326371469 825604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326371470 766534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, I see < 1326371472 816791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, male < 1326371489 16112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know, females are convicted of rape sometimes < 1326371491 413716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although much more rarely < 1326371499 269972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah can you imagine :D < 1326371500 934281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly just fiddled with PageMaker; they publish books (sometimes by prisoners, but also textbooks on their field, and a yearly "newsletter" thing). < 1326371501 705102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typically the sort that involves drugs rather than physical violence) < 1326371525 857633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, INTERCAL's EOF handling is hilarious < 1326371528 301024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you CHEATED on me?" "no i was raped!" < 1326371531 659724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1326371534 482213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what that means. < 1326371535 684927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it crashes on EOF, with no way to catch the error or seeing it's coming) < 1326371558 184996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what do people normally do to avoid this? < 1326371558 988516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We do, yes, unless you invent a proper excuse. < 1326371576 406233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like medical reasons? < 1326371582 963869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they don't < 1326371588 775967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326371589 217927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you /can/ do about it < 1326371595 530068 :}^nevaR^{!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1326371604 730154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is this for c-intercal or clc-intercal? < 1326371609 444660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a lot of things. unless you're a perfectly healthy male. < 1326371613 185036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fml < 1326371615 215731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it'd be fun to implement some way to catch the error < 1326371620 478463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: -72 < 1326371623 144370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326371634 959233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Medical, psychological, religious, or moral. (But the latter one will get you thrown in jail as a "conscientious objector" if you also refuse the non-military alternative.) < 1326371635 897800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I assume neither ick nor clc crashes? < 1326371651 150371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do, it'd be incompatible otherwise < 1326371660 368916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't not implement the spec < 1326371672 399910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty easy to join a suitable religion like a year before or such < 1326371687 18477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then leave it a bit later < 1326371702 252242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure if there are any recognized religions that'd forbid the civil service part. < 1326371708 398591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326371713 402437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jediism? < 1326371716 921744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a weird thing to forbid. < 1326371727 791918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, is that starwars related? < 1326371739 399083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-military civil service isn't something I'd object to anyway, though, although I would object to the military version < 1326371745 252358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, originally < 1326371752 195064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reference to the jedi census phenomenon < 1326371752 501753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jehova's witnesses are exempt from all afaiu? < 1326371757 381037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326371759 125707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326371764 612190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there was a worldwide movement to claim to be a jedi on censuses < 1326371772 337193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326371772 739617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the result that many countries ended up recognising it as a religion < 1326371778 419800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really? :D < 1326371797 185165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's at least one court case where someone successfully claimed that their jedi religion forbade them from doing something that would otherwise be mandatory, too) < 1326371801 43460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that was the whole /point/ < 1326371814 839430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm just a bit scared that it worked < 1326371835 68034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think they are, yes. Also people living in Åland. < 1326371860 260885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon < 1326371883 72431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, apparently no /official/ recognition; jediism was assigned a convenience number on the census processing thing because it was so popular < 1326371890 971248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was apparently only to make statistics easier or something < 1326371930 21162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do UK still do censuses? Sweden doesn't any more < 1326371932 967344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In Scotland 14,052 people stated that Jedi was their current religion (14,014 "Jedi", 24 "Jedi Order" and 14 "Sith") < 1326371936 539560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but rarely < 1326371940 700367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like once every ten years < 1326371944 370773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe once every five < 1326371945 76176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326371950 87104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite often < 1326371972 711167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 70-80 people who refuse both the military and the civil service; Amnesty classifies them as "prisoners of conscience", which bumps up Finland's "score" on that considerably. Otherwise we'd totally lose to all kinds of regimes. < 1326371979 593249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :70-80 people per year, that is. < 1326371992 970859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only encountered censuses in complexity theory < 1326372000 350768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In 2009, a Jedi was banned from a Tesco Supermarket in Bangor, North Wales, for refusing to remove his hood on a religious basis. The following year, a Jedi was thrown out of a Jobcentre in Southend, Essex, for refusing to remove his hood; he later received an apology. < 1326372017 88207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326372027 13595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder why they do that < 1326372039 278281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a weird thing to make that heavy a stand about < 1326372046 582386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1326372058 102813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For many it's an official protest against the length of the civil service; it's about double the most common length for the military one. < 1326372058 772748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wanting to waste a year of your life is stupid now? < 1326372069 336986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Conscientious objectors to military service continued to be imprisoned for refusing the alternative civilian service due to its punitive and discriminatory length. The length of alternative civilian service remained at 362 days, more than double the most common military service period of 180 days." < 1326372079 374172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: aren't you still wasting it, just in jail? < 1326372085 709753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jail term is shorter. < 1326372090 476538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: less of it, and there's more freedom < 1326372092 781356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1326372098 6007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two days of civil service translate to one day of jail. < 1326372128 448531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with a very few exceptions they are in these "open prisons". < 1326372132 297893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can study and whatever. < 1326372153 742409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would answer sith on such a question btw. < 1326372168 13718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more importantly, you don't have to do meaningless work < 1326372169 662666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really? < 1326372173 315645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like taking care of old people < 1326372177 692119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure, why not? < 1326372189 634317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or learning to kill healthy people < 1326372205 450985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly the appropriate punishment should be community service, not a prison term < 1326372206 662744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is not like religion should be listed on a census form anyway < 1326372216 575447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter is not useless if you want to become a serial killer < 1326372230 58967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I know quite a few people who've just done research at the university where they were studying "around" the civil service term. < 1326372235 177100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they teach that? < 1326372253 245699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "around"? < 1326372258 429409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Before, and after. < 1326372259 7343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the army? < 1326372263 749809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what armies are for? < 1326372263 905402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1326372271 668248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about the army option < 1326372278 846312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind excluded it as an option that nobody sane would take < 1326372287 285079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no not in the civil service < 1326372298 346007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Some do civil service for six months which would match the military service, and then refuse; their remaining six months are then translated to a three-month prison term. < 1326372316 979307 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1326372326 263809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's almost as if people are being tempted to break the law, if there's an exchange rate for it < 1326372335 115665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about alternating days of civil service and prison? < 1326372346 245762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to try prison out anyway but i don't actually want to commit a crime. < 1326372349 815909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't go back from the prison to civil service. < 1326372352 821330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If Jedi were counted it would have been the second largest religion in New Zealand. T" < 1326372355 539290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/T// < 1326372383 147738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a one-month common "training period" for the civil service, but I don't think it was much about killing. I mostly learned that some people do crazy things (aluminium foil wrapped beer-potatoes?) on a campfire. < 1326372392 791919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be slightly different during the wintertime. < 1326372404 377068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think there was also some CPR training maybe? < 1326372418 814957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a free tea+pastry coupon for maintaining Darkhive. < 1326372427 740519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managed to describe it as a cultural act. < 1326372447 307462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, darkhive being? < 1326372523 615427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-04-28 22:18:55: a funge would suit an irc bot well, i suspect < 1326372570 914181 :jix!~jix@dronf.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have anything about fungebot anymore (and I don't remember working with it) < 1326372571 107332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1326372572 717789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh. There was this Finnish magazine called Demi, core audience teenage girls (13-19 years); they had (well, have) a web forum, which didn't have a search system and expired old threads; Darkhive crawled the site periodically and archived the messages. < 1326372578 219486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, oh < 1326372586 683730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, ais523 claimed you were the author < 1326372606 775598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: well, it was only up there for a day, I assume you've just forgotten about it < 1326372615 166924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326372618 138787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, maybe it was someone else < 1326372629 155713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog fungebot < 1326372636 791492 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-07-19.txt:00:14:18: Hello }^nevaR^{ < 1326372645 279010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog fungebot < 1326372653 780424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1326372655 966384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.uit.no/~daniels/PingTunnel/ < 1326372656 369396 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5540 < 1326372659 530841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that the command? < 1326372666 140130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ptunnel is an application that allows you to reliably tunnel TCP connections to a remote host using ICMP echo request and reply packets, commonly known as ping requests and replies. < 1326372667 256005 :jix!~jix@dronf.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never fluent in befunge... but I think I did some experiments with other esolangs and irc that never got anywhere < 1326372671 225503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:06:08: i wrote a crappy ping less sub-minmal befunge irc bot that prints hello msgs with the nick reversed... < 1326372681 6648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a different jix, it was you < 1326372689 438204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It gained some amounts of popularity among the users, possibly because it also did not remove messages the official board admins deleted for "unsuitable content". < 1326372703 724351 :jix!~jix@dronf.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh then I probably did... < 1326372706 704990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326372726 250852 :jix!~jix@dronf.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never did anything that would remotely qualify as a complete irc bot < 1326372726 407309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now you gotta tell us why on earth you decided to write that. < 1326372736 5055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also http://thomer.com/icmptx/ < 1326372736 943452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kerio is a fan of tunnelling all sorts of things over DNS < 1326372741 677164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: don't worry, fungebot wouldn't < 1326372783 745123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ICMPTX and NSTX are I think related.) < 1326372797 629808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That guy has written a lot of freeloader internet-tunneling tools. :p < 1326372811 27922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: His mission in life is to mooch for free stuffs, I suppose. < 1326372813 176267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he didn't write that one. < 1326372838 737518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's stolen. Well, in any case. < 1326372844 765556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't dodge my question!!! < 1326372870 123923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the depressing thing is, there's almost certainly a way to tunnel HTTP over HTTP already < 1326372884 800752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just that I don't quite recall the motivations. I'm supposing some IRC people were somehow involved. < 1326372903 81812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what we need? another esolang competition < 1326372908 980872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a reasonable number of people actually participating < 1326372940 653418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that last point might be hard < 1326372955 506776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw when are the results of IOCCC going to be announced? < 1326372955 662678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I got a cease-and-desist from the magazine editor finally; didn't think it was worth a fight so I took the site down. Some random guy at WaveU asked me for the database dump, though, and ran it for a while longer. < 1326372958 496862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 or so would be reasonable enough < 1326372973 182198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326372975 135128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I will accept a blatant but interesting lie, e.g. "Finnish demosceners used to use it to chat ironically". < 1326373031 651869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not exactly that one, as it wouldn't be interesting now it's been mentioned < 1326373064 500896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it would < 1326373065 211083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it was on irc you could search your logs? < 1326373072 804174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how implausible is it that I would guess the precise truth? < 1326373078 364698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't actually true < 1326373145 510311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd be obviously a lie, though < 1326373152 151344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as just being blatant < 1326373156 492290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess I could look for the first mention, but I'm not even sure where in IRC it would be. < 1326373229 944016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think "Finnish used to use it to chat ironically" is quite close to the truth, actually. < 1326373280 734789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, grep -R? < 1326373291 510698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See, I can pretend to believe you now! < 1326373335 783825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heh; from !assembly, paraphrasing: "[2005-08-05 19:20:37] The demi.fi folks are quite the sceners: darkhive=# select sum(msgs) from dh_thre where tname ilike '%assembly%'; => 473" < 1326373346 78928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I asked for first mention separately per-channel.) < 1326373352 281837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326373371 368069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, 473 messages containing the substring "assembly". < 1326373468 688918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think these logs are too new. < 1326373514 572214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, someone donated me money because of it. < 1326373519 825854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1326373595 840808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, oh oh! I might have just continued from "demikhat". < 1326373598 489757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *… < 1326373609 109599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See, uh... this is also a bit complicated to explain. < 1326373610 893937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1326373616 592880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Go on. < 1326373692 796028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They had this flash-based "isometric 3D" chat thing there (before the web forum times); think "Habbo Hotel" or such, except much more limited. I was bored one day, so I packet-sniffed that, reverse-engineered the protocol (it was a custom ASCII-based one) and wrote a "roguelike" client which let you chat there and IIRC do a couple of things the official interface couldn't. < 1326373726 683486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You're a strange person. < 1326373757 687528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had another real-time "text chat" which was actually run over the IRC server of the web-media company that made the pages; I also hung out there with an IRC client and sort-of got to know some of the folks behind the scenes. < 1326373769 38941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure of the chronology of all these different forums and chats and such. < 1326373784 444590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you even come to look at anything related to this magazine? < 1326373804 573617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had another web-forum that Darkhive didn't crawl. (Though I made a 'wget' dump of it scant few days before they wiped it out and started the new forum which Darkhive did index.) < 1326373816 900175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually come to think of it, that dump might have been the inspiration for Darkhive itself. < 1326373824 683634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can blame whoever asked me to do it. < 1326373871 446754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I had so forgotten about this. < 1326373916 300870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently at the civil service training we used the instructor's laptop/projector to watch how Darkhive updated itself, and read some threads using the psql command-line tool. < 1326373927 535991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after that I got the free-tea voucher. < 1326373966 865864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't understand Finland. < 1326373977 837660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as strange as e.g. Japan. < 1326373981 637850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I have been led to believe. < 1326374055 148862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I never finished my other "chat archive" project. < 1326374067 378773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would've been called "sharkhive".) < 1326374067 533601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charchive. < 1326374069 758448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326374084 161931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't related to the Demi chats, incidentally. < 1326374098 580851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what was it going to archive, then? < 1326374140 182707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might enjoy this: http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Please%20do%20not%20write%20below%20the%20line.htm < 1326374143 845383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there's this midday/midnight SMS-based TV channel chats, they're really horrible. There's some horrible person as a presenter, and then people send all kinds of stupid things in. Really stupid things. And each message costs like real money, but they still keep doing it. < 1326374148 282338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of those train routeing letters < 1326374158 681623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, I had this analog TV receiver card, I could've OCR'd and archived those. < 1326374160 560888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ohh, yes, I know what you mean. < 1326374210 47018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, sort of. < 1326374255 714447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obvious conclusion is that it's to present people writing below the line before the letters are sent < 1326374262 183291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would've mostly worked. At least for the digital TV stream, that's significantly less noisy (if a bit compression-artifacty). It's got a particular font and everything. < 1326374313 826866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should archive... < 1326374328 734373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uh, do/did (when you had analogue television) you people have a teletext-style thing? < 1326374379 835513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1326374385 822788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the system still exists. < 1326374407 877155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yle.fi/tekstitv/html/P100_01.html < 1326374408 949853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those tend to have vaguely "user-generated" pages. < 1326374412 340115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read it in the interwebs. < 1326374421 42498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually you should just archive the whole thing, that would be simplest. < 1326374428 956259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've seen this. < 1326374434 350749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even hyperlinked! < 1326374435 689920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was discussed. < 1326374457 357646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but pretend that doesn't exist and do it with a receiver card instead. :p < 1326374485 434815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the top half of double-height numbers are hyperlinked, unless I'm mispointing. < 1326374498 521637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the "music industry" (not sure what group in particular, and I'm annoyed at the vagueness of the story) are apparently suing Ireland for not making file sharing sufficiently illegal < 1326374549 526475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WFM < 1326374555 858550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It even hyperlinks URLs, e.g. http://www.yle.fi/tekstitv/html/P101_01.html. < 1326374578 315738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of storing chats, I wonder if anyone is recording /b/ and such, iirc 4chan expires old messages? < 1326374591 318065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope no one is archiving /b/... < 1326374601 123786 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would take a lot of space, probably < 1326374613 211262 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen archives of individual threads < 1326374613 480571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So it seems; but on the front page, 100, the big numbers (the four headlines, like "107 Urpilainen: ...") seem to have only their top halves clickable. < 1326374668 35960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right. < 1326374673 474459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect the linking may be automated somehow. < 1326374681 255487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://4chanarchive.org/ < 1326374688 208837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is at least a thing. < 1326374692 710246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NSFW ads, seemingly.) < 1326374702 401315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it almost certainly also has NSFW content < 1326374716 423285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That too, presumably. < 1326374728 62333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could find a SFW subset of 4chan, but it'd be mostly missing the point < 1326374776 31861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "update May, 7th: we take no more new archival requests. please visit chanarchive.org instead.". < 1326374778 903536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chanarchive.org/welcome It's all Web 2.0. < 1326374782 165969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even a Twitter. < 1326374834 70071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The local "Copyright Information & Anti-Piracy Centre" sued one of our ISPs (and cases for two others are pending), and the lowest court agreed and told the ISP to "block PirateBay", or suffer a nice hundred thousand euro fine; recently the "enforcement unit" of the court came up with a long list of DNS names and three IP addresses for the ISP to block. They've complained to the higher court, but just few days ago "temporarily" enabled the block < 1326374834 263185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s while that case is pending. < 1326374844 651520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's quite a debate going on about this. < 1326374860 718738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes; I was mostly interested because they'd sued a country rather than an ISP < 1326374861 131664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Including a bomb threat to the office of the "Anti-Piracy Centre" and so on. < 1326374904 639400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that what Finns call a debate? < 1326374936 962969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The bomb threat was by "Anonymous Finland". :p < 1326374951 63242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are almost certainly multiple Anonymouses < 1326374965 396460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name like that, and their alleged structure, more than one could exist quite easily without anyone noticing < 1326374970 416699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the organizations themselves < 1326374980 288427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well *this* one owns a Twitter account "anon_finland", it's certainly very legit. < 1326375000 750395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm sure it was a very credible threat. < 1326375053 103488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thepiratebay.org, www.thepiratebay.org, depiraatbaai.be, www.depiraatbaai.be, piratebay.am, www.piratebay.am, piratebay.net, www.piratebay.net, www.piratebay.no, piratebay.no, piratebay.se, www.piratebay.se, suprnova.com, www.suprnova.com, themusicbay.com, www.themusicbay.com, themusicbay.net, www.themusicbay.net, themusicbay.org, www.themusicbay.org, thepiratebay.am,www.thepiratebay.am, www.thepiratebay.com, thepiratebay.com, thepiratebay.gl, www.thep < 1326375053 259707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iratebay.gl, thepiratebay.net, www.thepiratebay.net, www.thepiratebay.se, thepiratebay.se, thepiratebay.org.nyud.net" < 1326375058 774636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "The LulzSleigh's taking off! Expect us. And don't miss us: someday, We'll come back (:" RIP anon_finland ages ago -- 2 hours ago < 1326375059 620139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the list of DNS names they want removed. < 1326375061 990532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thepiratebay.org.nyud.net <-- LOL < 1326375077 569594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is, I doubt you can even /search/ with that one. < 1326375090 293698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nyud.net? < 1326375092 221507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also "194.71.107.15, 194.71.107.19, 194.71.107.18" for any traffic, which I guess does slightly more. < 1326375094 622104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: coralcdn < 1326375097 961972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it but can't remember why < 1326375104 557136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Content_Distribution_Network < 1326375108 6951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Coral Content Distribution Network, sometimes called Coral Cache or Coral, is a free peer-to-peer content distribution network designed and operated by Michael Freedman. Coral uses the bandwidth of a world-wide network of web proxies and nameservers to mirror web content, often to avoid the Slashdot Effect or to reduce the general load on websites servers in general. < 1326375112 725116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1326375198 399611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "piraattilahti.fi" (the literal translation of "piratebay") goes to EFFI's (the "Finnish EFF") webpage. < 1326375219 566015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1326375293 488537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it was actually originally on that list. < 1326375313 276847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an update from yesterday that they have removed the "piraattilahti.fi" block. < 1326375328 782182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably whoever owns the domain will again point it at Pirate Bay, and they'll add it back, and GOTO 10. < 1326375334 397125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.effi.org/ -- try google-translating it from finnish to english and read the first sentence. < 1326375339 224008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right click -> translate in Chrome.) < 1326375374 27317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What." < 1326375415 660209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So how's the weather in Helsinki, Ireland today? < 1326375438 827540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326375442 126935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the original text just says "Electronic Frontier Finland ry ...", and 'ry' is basically "registered association". < 1326375461 432157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just type "Electronic Frontier Finland" and ask for a Finnish -> English translation, it goes "The Electronic Frontier Ireland". < 1326375469 225351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Statistical translation, presumably. < 1326375473 737542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently fi:Finland equals en:Ireland, then. < 1326375484 357428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things like country names tend to get mixed up. < 1326375485 767720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly "Finland" isn't Finnish. < 1326375503 912953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it s Soumi isn't it? < 1326375504 891303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because e.g. a Finnish document talking about Finland might match up with an English document talking about the UK. < 1326375508 308680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1326375508 576799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how it works. < 1326375509 246652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suomi. < 1326375511 566813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326375511 992301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's what I've heard. < 1326375526 837047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie probably knows more, since speech recognition is, like, vaguely related, and about twice as unreliable. :p < 1326375535 686870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also inches vs. centimeters < 1326375541 20469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets messed up badly too < 1326375543 740009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some other Google Translate "lul" related to gay Swedes, but I don't recall how it went. < 1326375544 403783 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Irlanti" is pretty close to "Finland", I guess. < 1326375547 923668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right. < 1326375583 379675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I have seen it insert extra negations that completely changed the meaning of the sentence. :D < 1326375606 275548 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish --swedish 25 < 1326375608 559537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie "cunningly dodged" my speech recognition remark. < 1326375613 122770 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​åldolskeimmart säcklaansar psymmästa tiuminärpäsidornotkelvä dopatsansa ontusensatsenning rat anarre vid vesidorketsovånga hittu utadierna lähiöllämtnin kava mystele roillnadalm baskanaruttavlar uusioniser sydasmerkiltäng uppromerkkl uhoidkarist kn ahdottaga käläisig nyrper < 1326375625 792390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, none of them looks Swedish at all < 1326375630 209940 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vid? < 1326375632 262606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know about Google Translate so much; but I suppose they do some "proactive" training-text acquisition, since there aren't so many actual good-quality parallel Finnish/English corpora; Europarl, of course, but still. < 1326375641 905717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh right, missed that word < 1326375645 564010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that though < 1326375685 651579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't many Finnish-looking words either. "hittu" could be. < 1326375692 779655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Europarl is good for translating "Mr. President". < 1326375717 86436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 15 < 1326375720 840573 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :matushovina jalailevakin tontumissasi uneeksesi syventävikseen aampiansa tyhjenemassamme erivaan alustamaksena ajamuissasi aihtyvilta liukkaama hälyttömimmaksee näppäivyttävista kapisimpia < 1326375727 166868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think psymmästa looks finnish < 1326375730 65853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me at least < 1326375734 117 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fails vowel harmony < 1326375738 482533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1326375746 506727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does vowel harmony entail? < 1326375749 228900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The all-purpose refusal. < 1326375760 738953 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_harmony#Finnish < 1326375783 58004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've just said "no [uoa] or [yöä] in the same word". < 1326375790 46309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shorter than the link. :p < 1326375795 320669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to pass, like, a gruelling five-hour test of vowel harmony to gain Finnish citizenship? < 1326375799 685237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that requires typing, not copy-pasting. < 1326375818 116393 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was /going/ to give a longer explanation including stuff about foreign imports and compound words but SCREW IT THEN. < 1326375834 786968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Päuikkä" "Yes!" "Paaäaia" "No!" "Kapisimpia" "Yes!" "Syventävikseean" "Yes! -- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" < 1326375851 30876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah a bit tricky for compound words and imported words I imagine < 1326375859 569969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Päuikkä" is not a "Yes!". < 1326375894 336698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What, how does that break vowel harmony, I spent like 3 seconds trying to understand vowel harmony so I don't see how I could possibly be wrong. < 1326375901 301238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ä" and "u" < 1326375915 296522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my short explanation should've probably said "and" instead of "or". :p < 1326375927 172764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1326375940 636335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was going solely based on "no a and ä" that yous aid once. :p < 1326375954 188617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, EVEN THE EXAMINER MAKES MISTAKES SOMETIMES. < 1326375968 400867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about å? < 1326375987 285826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kickban Vorpal trolling < 1326376000 539258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1326376000 807076 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice the rule is usually equivalent to "if a native speaker can't pronounce it easily, it fails vowel harmony" < 1326376015 109909 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: å is just o. < 1326376019 388195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326376027 221958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so you say "oland" for "åland"? < 1326376028 563955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "å" actually occurs in Finnish? < 1326376028 720434 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not present in any words. < 1326376032 161774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1326376048 303055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of a letter that isn't in any words? < 1326376048 898383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they have it in Åland afaik, unless they use a different name for that < 1326376055 263646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to confuse the alphabet? < 1326376055 531795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Ahvenanmaa". < 1326376055 974085 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "ooland" and "åland" would be pronounced the same. < 1326376065 682932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, å is used in Swedish so I guess that is why? < 1326376082 831193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's something that stayed from Swedish, and is only used in Swedish names. < 1326376153 445594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway we say Åland much like you say Åland; it's just that your 'å' is like IPA /o:/ pretty much, and therefore much like our 'o'. < 1326376170 398805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about our o? Do you have that < 1326376178 55444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'u'. < 1326376182 366693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and our u? < 1326376230 512072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's IPA ʉ which we don't quite have? But that's just going by my knowledge of Swedish pronunciation, which is rather vague. < 1326376243 7705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have some context-sensitivity going on there? < 1326376251 279945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe? < 1326376258 477098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish mostly has a context-free mapping from lexemes to phonemes. < 1326376272 734611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is a lot of stuff that depends on context in Swedish < 1326376283 221574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like double consonant after a vowel modifies it and so on < 1326376299 434195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that is the only place where you can put two of the same consonant pretty much) < 1326376323 340515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish o is also context-sensitive. < 1326376346 257366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I believe /ever/ vowel can be modified by at least single/double consonant after it < 1326376349 636934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly more stuff < 1326376354 870780 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly. < 1326376358 97535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose 'bot' and 'bott' have quite a different 'o' in them? < 1326376361 356944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :every* < 1326376365 374803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1326376366 755258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish is a quite vowel-tricky language. < 1326376420 549259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we have various other things going on. Like the sj-sound < 1326376424 386852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish-speaking Finns for the most part probably just approximate it. < 1326376434 455977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stj and various other variants < 1326376583 359233 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boten annan? < 1326376596 168286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, uh "the cure another"? < 1326376597 274436 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's Boten Anna < 1326376609 696290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still "The cure Anna" (where Anna is a name) < 1326376620 410957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that is not what it refers to) < 1326376633 525688 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw bott, and thought of the song Boten Anna < 1326376646 271134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like I couldn't really do all the seven Russian fricatives that are all more or less "s" (or "z") in Finnish. (�, �, щ, з, ж, ч, ц -- esp. �/щ., IIRC.) < 1326376661 936350 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in whatever language "Boten Anna" is, it's supposed to mean Anna the Bot, I think < 1326376675 769753 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think it's a different language from whatever you're talking about < 1326376680 666631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO NO IT'S ABOUT A BOAT LOL" < 1326376686 856485 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Thank you for your insightful commentary. < 1326376693 917174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I don't think bott exists as a Swedish word. Possibly as a loan word. The way it is written it would be pronounced like the English "bot" though < 1326376694 185902 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2wbRWb9xI < 1326376702 268231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a single t it would be different < 1326376707 382479 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? < 1326376714 2714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that would be båten < 1326376714 714285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1326376726 118574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: My, that's a little EDGY for you. < 1326376736 689730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can't check, no sound where I am. < 1326376737 494309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "bott" doesn't exist? bo, bor, bodde, bott. < 1326376749 630505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh right, true < 1326376755 308424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What language is this? < 1326376756 690939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish < 1326376766 371676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it is probably Swedish anyway < 1326376768 248533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth yw < 1326376773 995815 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1326376774 151949 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(18470.58 secs, 14756796564032 bytes) < 1326376776 175124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it is what I'm thinking of) < 1326376776 576515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conjecture proved. < 1326376784 608580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what conjecture? < 1326376790 793243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Conjecture. < 1326376798 779716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant actually just typed [], he just has a really slow computer. < 1326376805 858073 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1326376812 669208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1326376821 804272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also his GHC has a really bad memory leak. < 1326376830 368214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1326376838 341302 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh < 1326376840 482827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 14756796564032 bytes -> gb < 1326376841 294786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13.5 terabytes for the empty list is quite impressive. < 1326376843 254349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boten_Anna#Swedish_lyrics < 1326376845 748984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that the command? < 1326376846 956544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326376849 223507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1326376851 141478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slow. < 1326376852 753702 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown symbol "gb" \ Warning: undefined symbol "gb". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 118054372512256 bit (information) -> gb (undefined symbol) < 1326376856 281916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1326376856 684496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "gb" is unlikely to work. < 1326376861 252852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 14756796564032 bytes -> gigabytes < 1326376861 830091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 14756796564032 bytes -> gibibyte < 1326376865 763725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gibi < 1326376872 683803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want base 1000 :P < 1326376873 354902 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :230574946313/15625000 (exactly 14756.796564032) < 1326376873 892050 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogo < 1326376877 545109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay not really) < 1326376888 975166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyawy, like I said, 13.5 tebibytes. < 1326376897 675322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said it after I typed that line < 1326376899 497571 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually you said tera) < 1326376902 252921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Anyway < 1326376903 784493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Indeed! < 1326376904 724031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I LIED. < 1326376910 190352 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shameful. < 1326376924 253685 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :230574946313/16777216 (approx. 13743.33776909113) < 1326376942 905788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, there was a recording from when someone called to a radio show host about the song, and explained the whole "IRC bot" thing, but the host just couldn't understand the concept and was all "no, no, you're mistaken, he's singing about a boat". < 1326376943 173963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love that useful rational representation. < 1326376956 518770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326376967 542822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure what would compel someone to attempt to explain that to a radio show host. < 1326376967 812428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1326376983 583321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the line was filter (uncurry (<)) [(fromIntegral (abs d :: Int32) :: Word32, fromIntegral (gcd (2^32 :: Int64) (fromIntegral d :: Int64)) :: Word32) | d <- [minBound..maxBound :: Int32], d /= 0] < 1326376987 229311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The radio show host had kept on babbling about the boat earlier, I suppose it got on someone's nerves. < 1326377007 989340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't there a boat in the video? Very confusing. < 1326377019 143170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What. < 1326377033 30884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of Swedish pronunciation, there is also quite a lot of dialectal variation still. < 1326377038 875882 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For another conjecture, (5383.32 secs, 2327345782000 bytes) vs (5561.58 secs, 2706088878288 bytes) shows that using toInteger and Integers is faster than fromIntegral and Ints. < 1326377046 76189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Also, (abs d :: Int32) === (abs d) there. < 1326377049 823675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t gcd < 1326377050 390629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1326377057 670392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (2^32 :: Int64) === (2^32). < 1326377060 30662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also since it's talking about the "kanal" and, you know, a canal of water and all. < 1326377064 257016 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I added some extras to make sure everything was correct. < 1326377074 458975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: TYPES DON'T WORK LIKE THAT < 1326377086 240237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes they do, it'd give me an error if they weren't what I thought they were. < 1326377102 979777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, you could, like, totally golf that. < 1326377112 694079 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and optimize it. But that wasn't the point. < 1326377119 226446 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point was to make sure that it returns the empty list. < 1326377121 638005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1326377126 311967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how the "Jag är ingen [båt], jag är en väldigt, väldigt vacker tjej" part makes sense for the "boat interpretation", as it is known in scholarly circles. < 1326377137 974462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/8836331/1097181 ;; ooh, there's a *psychic* on SO. < 1326377144 333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps some sort of a possessed boat? < 1326377146 345706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are we going to get context? < 1326377155 821454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just looked up the lyrics and they make no sense wrt a boat < 1326377156 90060 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's the translation of that? < 1326377156 358678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Translation? < 1326377171 778794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "I'm not a bot, I'm a really, really beautiful girl." < 1326377177 106124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1326377181 236013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know boats these days. < 1326377198 272817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the stuff about banning too < 1326377202 272985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :I'm not a boat, I'm a really, really beautiful girl | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326377213 942664 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm you. < 1326377217 823686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"för i mina ögon är hon alltid en [båt]". < 1326377225 34516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Boats have kicked people out before! < 1326377225 191037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In my eyes she's always a bot/boat." < 1326377229 674761 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i was arguing earlier was that mathematics has some closed-circle views about reality. And going further to say that perhaps everyone has some closed-circle views about reality. These statements of mine themselves represent a closed circle argument. < 1326377239 706093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Very progressive. < 1326377246 770257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :means.. tidus acquired the word closed-circle argument in his inventory < 1326377274 637043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "itidus" derives from "tidus"? I suppose that should have been obvious. < 1326377279 647317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it said ban, not kick < 1326377289 619985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, well, boats that kick don't let people back in. < 1326377290 701098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hahahah......... < 1326377301 503706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1326377305 40628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I... guess it could be some sort of a warship that's patrolling the canal so that you can't travel there? < 1326377307 861168 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Context: having checked that gcd (2^32) (fromIntegral d) * x doesn't overflow, what can we say about whether fromIntegral (abs d) * x overflows? (If I'm looking at this correctly.) As it turns out, I can't think of anything, although if that had been true in some cases, maybe there would've been something. < 1326377318 780495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont necesarily still hold that view, but a few hours ago i was arguing it < 1326377327 345581 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you die on a boat, you die in real life! < 1326377331 837580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other one was filter (\(a,b) -> abs (toInteger a) /= toInteger b) [(x,y) | (x :: Int32) <- [minBound..maxBound], let y = fromIntegral (abs x) :: Word32]. < 1326377337 21335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems pretty self-explanatory. < 1326377347 59419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Doesn't QuickCheck let you run tests over functions? < 1326377350 49331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm not true. I actually turned a small dinghy upside down in the water (as part of training how to do that, I used to sail many years ago) < 1326377351 306115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try and find a predicate. < 1326377362 612754 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For what? < 1326377391 521577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, um, good point. < 1326377397 945757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, was this on one core or multiple cores? < 1326377398 926442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something relating the two. Somehow. :p < 1326377404 246723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does it matter? < 1326377406 360981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter isn't parallel. < 1326377411 980903 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's not using parFilter or anything so those are single-core. < 1326377412 726230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not like it could be parallel over linked lists.) < 1326377421 875713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, usefully parallel.) < 1326377427 202858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well he should have used parFilter then < 1326377437 411161 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think parFilter exists. < 1326377441 437877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh okay < 1326377449 598175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326377454 954596 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wouldn't've been enough on its own, anyway. < 1326377461 559138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1326377462 758797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't exactly care about the runtime, either. < 1326377469 625770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can easily construct it with Control.Parallel.Strategies. < 1326377480 223248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: filter `using` parList or whatever? < 1326377493 788983 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how that module works. < 1326377496 518437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\p xs -> filter p xs `using` parList), but I rather suspect you'd want to use one of the fancier chunking combinators. < 1326377502 992396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sparks are cheap, but not /that/ cheap. < 1326377509 481879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1326377511 691409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1326377514 812819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\p xs -> filter p xs `using` parList strat) < 1326377521 474769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some strat, probably rseq. < 1326377552 450693 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively I could've just trusted my belief that what's true for 8-bit is also true for 32-bit. < 1326377583 678564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: UNTRUE COUNTEREXAMPLE "THEY CAN HOLD ONLY THINGS OF 8 BITS" QED MOFO < 1326377592 111549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED QED QED < 1326377609 646273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED QED QED < 1326377613 255867 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOT < 1326377619 885245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NETMOT. < 1326377622 340473 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CQFD < 1326377624 262401 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WZBW < 1326377629 278269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :чтд < 1326377635 990846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but is it true for 64-bit? < 1326377640 390869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASDF < 1326377641 369799 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It better be. < 1326377643 649447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326377648 566310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1326377651 253786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You mean you're not going to... check? < 1326377656 428574 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not. < 1326377666 530291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You could use one of those fancy SMT things to check it. < 1326377671 383119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/sbv, e.g. < 1326377684 811529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether they're clever/good enough to. < 1326377690 713024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I didn't exactly care about the runtime, either. <-- so there's no reason not to just bump up the bits. < 1326377707 225235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, SMT... I heard this before, what did it stand for now again < 1326377710 514948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something modulo? < 1326377711 320715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least expressing it with one of them wouldn't be any harder than writing the Haskell code. :p < 1326377715 278057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Satisfiability, theories. < 1326377720 681416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah right < 1326377721 84616 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's probably an order of magnitude slower than boolector and whatnot. < 1326377725 793972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfiability_Modulo_Theories < 1326377731 13749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I quite like Something Modulo Thingies :P < 1326377738 500766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It doesn't dot he solving itself. < 1326377740 794161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *do the < 1326377748 394914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It uses Yices or something. < 1326377755 949931 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yices is kind of shitty IIRC. < 1326377771 866401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/LeventErkok/sbv/tree/master/Data/SBV/Provers < 1326377774 611248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I could just as easily express it in C and probably get faster runtime :-P < 1326377776 639166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Z3. < 1326377787 945161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about z3? < 1326377789 286789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z3 is performant. < 1326377791 385863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used it) < 1326377797 151078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It supports it. < 1326377800 239731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1326377802 977467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I somewhat doubt even C could enumerate 2^64 integers in a reasonable timeframe. < 1326377811 959991 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course it can't. < 1326377821 255961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You don't say. < 1326377830 610400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, express it in C and get the SMT problem from that. < 1326377848 333081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I doubt that would buy you anything over sbv, since it extracts to C anyway. < 1326377864 969415 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, then maybe not. < 1326377893 405491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why C->SMT? Are there automated tools for that or something? < 1326377895 364332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers getting sbv working and trying it himself.
< 1326377896 341249 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I'm not sure that SMT solvers could figure it out. < 1326377908 203755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT < 1326377919 31967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assmebly language could do it < 1326377927 703244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is the best one in https://github.com/LeventErkok/sbv/tree/master/Data/SBV/Provers? I don't really want to try and get more than one of these things working.) < 1326377931 195626 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^assembly < 1326377941 549839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no, there is no way you can even run a simple loop that just counts up to 2^64 :P < 1326377942 220570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: What, enumerate all 64-bit integers? < 1326377946 498864 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried finding examples of "des(x) == x" with SMT solvers and didn't get a solution after some 875 hours of CPU time. < 1326377951 979315 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1326377962 945692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That property is a lot simpler than des(x) == x :P < 1326377965 704552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is though that if asm can't do it then it can't be done < 1326377967 892146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? I'm not convinced Funge-98 is an esolang < 1326377971 123245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t des < 1326377972 113923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `des' < 1326377976 841731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes it can, you just have to use your brain. < 1326377976 997998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess here's as good a place to discuss it as any < 1326377977 952684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is des? < 1326377983 816093 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DES < 1326377984 620928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, DES? < 1326377986 175066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326377991 158331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Brute force is not the only way to solve every problem. < 1326377997 795055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Also, asm is not even the lowest level you can get at. < 1326378020 553839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the problem is ennumerating all 64 bit integers < 1326378022 144219 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did C at that time so that I could go C -> LLVM -> optimized LLVM -> hand-translated SMT < 1326378024 543039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it then? It is not exactly a main stream language. < 1326378035 233037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Yices and Z3 are the only ones supported. < 1326378038 155547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then asm would be your best bet :P < 1326378038 311581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z3 is better, I guess? < 1326378051 665536 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cheater expect his trolling to be successful? < 1326378055 792833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it is just an esolang that borders on not being one. But still firmly on the esolang side of things. < 1326378059 846186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: No, it wouldn't. < 1326378065 664068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's he doing this time? < 1326378069 300815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, he's in here. < 1326378070 241965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any funge derivative is an esolang < 1326378075 112688 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey guys what is the opposite of return? ... < 1326378080 929277 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<cheater_> i want something like <- < 1326378095 540500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: ever heard of comonads? < 1326378098 706570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You assume he's trolling, but I think he might just be stupid. < 1326378105 859287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have unreturn and unjoin as their primitives, no matter what elliott wants to call them < 1326378112 497428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if #haskell over many months is any indicator. < 1326378118 590345 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC Z3 was about twice as fast as yices on average in SMT-COMP 2011 < 1326378120 481539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Incidentally this is the map-related decision I briefly mentioned: http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/tiedotteet/2011/12/raha-asiainvaliokunta-puoltaa-avausehdotusta -- so starting first of May, there's going to be some datta. < 1326378125 870857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does elliott want to call them? < 1326378134 999852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alright, cool. < 1326378153 521488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, which one was fastest? < 1326378158 531275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Z3, IIRC. :-P < 1326378160 142617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in the US it's been a law that all federally produced stuff is free for who knows how long. :p < 1326378160 615101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He solved his problem with binds and lambdas, apparently < 1326378165 525907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I meant out of all < 1326378167 458552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wouldn't even know how to go to lower levels than asm :P < 1326378171 863901 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, that's what I meant as well. < 1326378175 626723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1326378187 240477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard of microcode though < 1326378195 437116 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There were many benchmarks and it didn't win all of them, but it was the fastest for my use case at least. < 1326378197 797803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I was thinking FPGAs. < 1326378227 793873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you put them on a board and plug it in? :D < 1326378286 818533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say this to hint at the fact that i doubt very many individuals ever make their own AGP/PCI cards < 1326378296 662168 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe it's an underdeveloped area < 1326378303 325448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem with FPGAs is that unless you can take advantage of their different architecture it is going to be slower < 1326378320 360073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the top clock frequencies for FPGAs is around 200 MHz < 1326378327 535050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might be somewhat out of date on that) < 1326378335 555420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need a high clock speed < 1326378346 882121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1 of 104] Compiling Data.SBV.Utils.Lib ( Data/SBV/Utils/Lib.hs, dist/build/SBVUnitTests/SBVUnitTests-tmp/Data/SBV/Utils/Lib.o ) < 1326378347 954984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. im daydreaming < 1326378351 838560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't really need to take advantage of the architecture beyond running thousands of cores in parallel < 1326378353 86664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, if the problem is suited to being done on an FPGA of course. < 1326378355 757421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It'll probably take 2 seconds to check but ten years to install sbv < 1326378360 523165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that is what I meant < 1326378362 124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your project parallelises easily, no issue using FPGAs at all < 1326378383 918690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326378389 786461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if it doesn't parallelise you have issues though < 1326378419 572879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i want to develop a GLU = game logic unit :P (not really.. sounds cool though) < 1326378424 734981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really; see, e.g. the stats at the end of http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/icfp11.pdf < 1326378430 898692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm are there any embarrassingly non-parallelisable problems? < 1326378443 298588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: counting to 2^64 parallelises really easily < 1326378455 556672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we gave an input which is pretty much the worst possible algorithm for implementing on an FPGA, and the resulting circuit did no parallelism at all < 1326378463 294561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't use 2^64 "cores" though < 1326378481 555200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it was within a factor of 2 of the algol, and within a factor of around 7 of ocaml < 1326378489 434401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is achieved by counting though.. the algorithm makes no sense < 1326378502 204771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with just the one thread, the advantage gained from hardcoding your program into the hardware is noticeable < 1326378503 418267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it would work. < 1326378509 963210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like in brainfuck you would optimize ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1326378521 77330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would? < 1326378528 435970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Using 2^64 cores. < 1326378540 182928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it wouldn't due to you not having that many < 1326378549 935250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That doesn't mean it parallelises any worse. < 1326378551 48268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could optimize the counting problem to just setting a variable to 2^64 < 1326378555 291554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course < 1326378559 388063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time vs space tradeoff :D < 1326378565 134959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but what I mean is that it isn't a practical solution < 1326378568 765017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^64 is too big < 1326378581 316760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We recently had some visiting guy from Japan doing signal processing (sound recognition; not speech, just environmental sounds in general) on an FPGA. < 1326378592 279181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how long it'd take the top supercomputer to count to 2^64 (in parallel).
< 1326378597 325212 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: how is that a tradeoff? < 1326378606 588135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the problem was actually to run a function on each value < 1326378612 666707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was rather faster than running the equivalent stuff on DSP cores. < 1326378614 62768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh.. my posts dont make sense sequentially < 1326378623 830746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1326378626 824449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or non-sequentially. < 1326378628 231816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1326378643 46017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, z3's not open-sores? :/ < 1326378652 981099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is MS research < 1326378657 47372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^64 cores solution demands more space... using 1 core demands more time < 1326378658 123923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So is GHC. < 1326378664 498868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to use a really old version or run it under wine < 1326378684 814221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the bf case is not a tradeoff at all < 1326378690 376740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is just setting a variable < 1326378703 896315 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i know.. hence my comment about my posts don't make sense sequentially < 1326378704 434853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was all "and then we made our vectors this long..." "but what about the running time?" "we just used more gates". < 1326378727 232734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder why there aren't FPGAs in normal computers. To offload problems to. Just like you offload rendering (and other stuff) to GPUs < 1326378745 804034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1326378753 980996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: people are starting to do that already, I think < 1326378756 835207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not mainstream yet < 1326378759 634896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh come on, Yices is closed-source too? < 1326378761 357064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but may become so eventually < 1326378770 503532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are these programs for? < 1326378773 244901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SMT < 1326378781 840997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which expands to? < 1326378782 417946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I hope so < 1326378790 698752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: satisfiability modulo theories < 1326378802 507724 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems to me the formula is.... i = 2 ^ 64 / c where c is the number of cores, and i is the number of iterations per core < 1326378807 773593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you have a few thousand pounds to spare, you can buy an FPGA add-on for your computer right now < 1326378815 292738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the problem's just finding software that makes use of it < 1326378818 630841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sadly I don't have that < 1326378820 423915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed < 1326378826 854377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only expect the price to come down over time < 1326378838 325303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just needs a killer app, really (like gaming for GPUs) < 1326378855 553120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How recent is Z3 2.19? :p < 1326378859 112478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the problem is no game is going to depend on such a thing, because it would hurt the sales figures < 1326378882 498619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I added VHDL to Emacs' flymake-mode yesterday < 1326378885 361404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Games have had optional-but-makes-it-prettier things for ages now. < 1326378886 340760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, turned flymake-mode on by default < 1326378893 68737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, flymake? < 1326378895 295108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N User:Splu26ri160a‎; 12:55 . . (+4,830) . . Splu26ri160a (Talk | contribs) (New page: Your email could not be delivered error 552. Who knows what this means! SMTP error codes were designed way back in 1982, mainly for other computers to be able to read and understand them. ...) < 1326378901 133228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes < 1326378908 220549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, you'd have a game that works fine without it, but ends up with 100 times the framerate or something silly like that with < 1326378909 372607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to find such a use for FPGAs too < 1326378933 129705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually, I think the FPGA-in-PC market's currently being driven by bitcoin miners < 1326378942 715001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1326378947 822565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would expect any such killer app to happen in, say, CAD or such first, this would bring it down a bit, then maybe in something more mainstream < 1326378949 300188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I wonder if bitcoin is actually a cunning plan to advance the state of technology < 1326378968 243316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't get why CAD would require that sort of processor power < 1326378970 436042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't the price of bitcoin collapse or something iirc? < 1326378975 509566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: everything is "actually a [...] technology" < 1326378986 56053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm okay < 1326378992 467054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, advanced simulation? < 1326378996 481852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, although it picked up somewhat after that < 1326379000 877353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo everything < 1326379020 750779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You should download Z3 version 3.2 or later." < 1326379032 728220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, http://research.microsoft.com/projects/z3/z3-x64-3.2.tar.gz < 1326379036 466138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not ancient, that's the latest version. < 1326379041 595488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1326379045 900408 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im such a phony using expressions like fsvo.. someone could accidently mistake me for one of you < 1326379055 472085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (of course, there's also z-machine for windows. Sadly, no windows for the z-machine yet.) < 1326379056 544252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I* started the FSVOing. < 1326379056 946287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, last I looked (half a year ago?) that wasn't around < 1326379059 637246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand royalties. < 1326379072 486023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe Deewiant used it a bit before me. < 1326379076 289676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I started the influx. < 1326379085 411171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog fsvo < 1326379095 915514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, z-machines hm, what are those now again? < 1326379103 219232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zork machines? < 1326379110 399964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some game interp, IIRC < 1326379113 331743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326379117 367198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercom < 1326379118 555916 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-08-29.txt:09:04:18: FSVO "few" \ 2009-07-11.txt:19:21:32: FSVO recently \ 2009-07-20.txt:19:59:04: well, FSVO entirely possible \ 2009-07-24.txt:18:56:18: AnMaster: fsvo love equal to shit \ 2009-07-24.txt:18:56:25: "fsvo"? \ 2009-07-24.txt:18:56:36: fsvo. \ 2009-07-24.txt:18:56:37: `translate fsvo \ 2009-07-24.txt:18:56:38: fsvo < 1326379144 439127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego's heart just wasn't in it < 1326379152 247180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I've ever used the abbreviation "FSVO", at least. < 1326379163 476839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for some values of used? < 1326379169 403701 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har har. < 1326379185 860007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the logs on this computer so meh < 1326379221 960662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I've reached the arrival of ehird` in my great log reread < 1326379228 646586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.SBV> prove $ \(x::SWord8) -> x .== 0 < 1326379228 802822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** An error occurred. < 1326379228 959316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Unable to locate executable for Yices < 1326379228 959501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Executable specified: "yices" < 1326379232 26633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been over three years now < 1326379232 427688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw come on. < 1326379236 587613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FSVO great. < 1326379241 321518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still plan to read every single log in order some day. < 1326379245 794829 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-07-24 20:57:13( Deewiant) http://www.google.com/search?q=fsvo < 1326379260 621005 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only use other than that "I don't think I've ever used" use. < 1326379268 160711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's so weird to see elliott not knowing something about the channel < 1326379280 976287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that isn't a use, that's a mention < 1326379288 325550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, Deewiant not using FSVO, or? < 1326379289 802053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1326379295 280997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the referent of "that" is ambiguous there, but the statement's right both ways) < 1326379313 422715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google-searching something is mentioning it, not using it < 1326379320 810168 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1326379326 253135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.SBV> proveWith z3 $ \(x::SWord8) -> x .== x < 1326379326 538900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1326379334 859882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK what was the proposition again. < 1326379341 468824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1326379345 951555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The one. < 1326379356 405939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (uncurry (<)) [(fromIntegral (abs d :: Int32) :: Word32, fromIntegral (gcd (2^32 :: Int64) (fromIntegral d :: Int64)) :: Word32) | d <- [minBound..maxBound :: Int32], d /= 0] < 1326379360 416960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1326379364 374640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That lasted long. < 1326379367 726142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, we may have been using TC all wrong < 1326379378 798783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a goodmathbadmath post about the difference between turing-complete and turing-equivalent < 1326379389 180075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? what is the difference? < 1326379393 124233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a TC computation is one that requires at least a TE interp to run) < 1326379399 581101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326379416 941467 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/01/turing_equivalent_vs_turing_co.php < 1326379425 193706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are there any known TC computations? < 1326379433 859706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes? < 1326379437 215418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck interpreter? < 1326379456 950266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apart from interpreting TE interps I mean < 1326379457 258904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, interpreting a TE language is the most common one < 1326379471 375723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one is to run all possible programs in a particular TE lang in parallel < 1326379474 584646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and output when each of them halts < 1326379504 645460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't care about the exact details of how the threads interleave, running infinitely many things in parallel is trivial) < 1326379554 741567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let me rephrase that: are there any known TC computations that doesn't involve TE languages. < 1326379556 619745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog itidus computation limit < 1326379558 945231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the corresponding form for 8-bit? Just s/Int32/Int8/ s/Word32/Word8/? < 1326379560 862460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what2D languages have nothing to do with Befunge? < 1326379568 637911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what 2D < 1326379572 228176 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-12.txt:14:45:56: `searchlog itidus computation limit < 1326379576 555886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: biota < 1326379588 269606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And 2^8 < 1326379591 397105 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah.. anyway.. i think one of you directed me to the gravity esolang < 1326379596 706859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the Int64 is of course just "some bigger int" < 1326379601 478368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right. Could the Int64 be shortened to ... right. < 1326379604 10124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was questioning the limits of computation < 1326379607 898111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, interesting < 1326379611 964433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I believe that one is uncomputable? < 1326379613 828730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by the inventor of c2, I didn't expect that < 1326379658 847186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was another time discussing sumamoito where i held the belief for a short moment that sumamoito was uncomputable < 1326379664 930125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but elliott cleared up that mistake for me < 1326379693 58916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is Biota the only esolang ever to have been sold at a profit? < 1326379709 443258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, sold at a profit? < 1326379713 953844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: This is FUN. < 1326379744 234110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, under what circumstances did that happen? < 1326379773 183843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do bees hibernate? < 1326379785 932180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not sure; apparently someone found Biota useful enough to buy it < 1326379789 985855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326379795 416448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to make a language that was reasonably resistant to mutation < 1326379806 317548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was devised by ward cunningham apparently (looking at the wiki) < 1326379820 558278 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he is a big name so i guess he can sell esolangs < 1326379828 673801 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds similar to a design requirement for Creatures < 1326379841 788750 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, big name != ability to find a buyer for esolangs < 1326379841 963844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The inventor of Biota. Also, the inventor of the wiki, having created the Internet's first wiki at c2.com. Outside of the esolangs community, he is far more famous for the latter. " < 1326379861 429861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly inside the esolangs community too < 1326379873 641467 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk source in a text file? < 1326379887 113665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :text file's a good way to store source < 1326379892 209347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am curious though < 1326379899 968142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet even @lang has a text representation it can roundtrip via < 1326379900 721858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly do you sell with an esolang < 1326379915 358239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you sell the BNF? < 1326379920 858817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interp for it? copyrights on the spec? support? < 1326379922 473330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Biota predates esolangs, really < 1326379927 141478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an implementation.. both? < 1326379931 36216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm guessing elliott is going to go with no? (wrt text) < 1326379931 572953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasn't intended as one < 1326379950 456649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was devised by ward cunningham apparently (looking at the wiki) < 1326379959 773390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The irony of this statement is palpable. < 1326379971 340339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really unlike funge in pretty much every way, it's more like sansism < 1326379983 618497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet even @lang has a text representation it can roundtrip via < 1326379984 482057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no capital W, it's OK < 1326379986 91268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1326379993 879722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the Wiki says it was deviced by ward cunningham too < 1326380007 523401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read up on ward a teeny bit before < 1326380016 626458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about patterns < 1326380030 502180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The hard part is the casting here. :p < 1326380031 846208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that his wiki focuses on patterns perhaps.. < 1326380038 328450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, SignCast is what I want. < 1326380046 276254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something about extreme programming < 1326380057 48291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, discussion of the timeout challenge on anagolf < 1326380068 517932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link? < 1326380075 278615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way that the golfiest way to get a timeout in ruby is `vi` < 1326380080 144862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2008-01-18 < 1326380083 953286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326380087 57609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of copyrighting a language spec just isn't cool < 1326380118 59207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does it! < 1326380120 204889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I would assume C# or such is copyrighted? < 1326380124 176779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Reassure me that (unsignCast . extend . signCast) will DTRT, thx < 1326380126 746653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes C and so on too < 1326380131 203700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be done in a predatory way < 1326380132 952350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1326380136 762443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(signCast . extend . unsignCast) < 1326380150 938850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, clearly, the esolang just refuses to function unless you've paid its author money < 1326380165 759137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you patch out the check that does that, you're no longer conforming to the spec < 1326380172 836312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326380182 50793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those little details < 1326380213 203186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, when did you first come here btw? < 1326380223 276574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prop.hs:22:13: < 1326380223 545056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Context reduction stack overflow; size = 21 < 1326380223 701390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -fcontext-stack=N to increase stack size to N < 1326380223 701580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord8 SInt16 < 1326380223 701690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord16 SInt8 < 1326380223 947553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord8 SInt16 < 1326380225 743850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that long ago < 1326380225 900097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord16 SInt8 < 1326380227 799849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord8 SInt16 < 1326380227 956076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326380229 794226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord16 SInt8 < 1326380231 850713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $dSignCast :: SignCast SWord8 SInt16 < 1326380232 253174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under a year ago < 1326380233 193327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, you really used to hate funge-98 < 1326380233 774758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1326380239 354804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t gcd < 1326380240 24895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1326380241 233661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why= < 1326380247 963551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I had a sudden realisation that I'm a call-by-name fanboy < 1326380258 82296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paul Levy has promised to shock me out of it next week, I'll be interested in that < 1326380271 527227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you actually like call by name? why? < 1326380273 488047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for being so much more complex than -93 < 1326380285 876176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also who is Paul Levy? < 1326380286 588331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, suppose brainfuck was copyrighted < 1326380290 196348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it's so much more natural and intuitive than CBV, and has many fewer special cases < 1326380295 958419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the call by push value guy < 1326380301 996411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326380302 665950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was mentioned to me by elliott, I think < 1326380306 460071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be that you could just replace one char with another? < 1326380309 724276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about call by reference? < 1326380310 531201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was surprised to discover that we worked in the same department < 1326380318 915172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha < 1326380337 711959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks. The reaction was everything I hoped. < 1326380352 434764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoped for* < 1326380360 694336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call by push name, pls < 1326380397 241742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:28:39: gcc insists char [x][y] < 1326380398 450342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:28:45: is really really different from char ** < 1326380412 714755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, I'd never expected such a misconception coming from you < 1326380433 270447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, my response to you was also a misconception < 1326380453 989062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bangalore_India_Tech_books_for_sale_IMG_5261.jpg < 1326380466 658151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, dear < 1326380475 101797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm going to have to write my own gcd < 1326380488 731078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please, don't assume 2008-ehird is me; I dislike him quite intensely < 1326380504 448832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I quite like call by value for strict languages anyway. I guess call by name might make more sense in a lazy language hm < 1326380539 258545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note that a language does not (should not) have to enforce a call strategy. < 1326380549 27501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an implementation detail. < 1326380558 567363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe C enforces call by value? < 1326380565 730294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, for example, only requires non-strict semantics; so lazy evaluation, call-by-name, etc. are all legitimate implementation strategies. < 1326380565 998667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there such a thing as a public domain programming language? < 1326380578 68616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As-if rule says it doesn't, although there's not much you could do with that flexibility. < 1326380581 989847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: everything on http://esolangs.org/w < 1326380594 88206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1326380614 111370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src gcd < 1326380614 379218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd 0 0 = error "Prelude.gcd: gcd 0 0 is undefined" < 1326380614 535750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd x y = gcd' (abs x) (abs y) < 1326380614 535930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : where gcd' a 0 = a < 1326380614 536037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcd' a b = gcd' b (a `rem` b) < 1326380616 851281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1326380618 654703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so biota is public domain by now right? :D < 1326380643 570729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which evaluation stratergy does ghc use? < 1326380650 541978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategy* < 1326380651 117923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Lazy. < 1326380654 807039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1326380675 540880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, call-by-need. < 1326380680 626947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326380691 903987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326380708 952440 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326380710 490887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326380711 875901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spod < 1326380712 31549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1326380713 795953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1326380717 641138 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03:06: I'm pondering writing a befunge interpreter in bash, however, I'm not clear on one point, while the size of the playfield isn't limited in Befunge-98, is it "not limited in one dimension, but still limited in the other" or "totally unlimited"? < 1326380723 95296 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I can poke fun at past-all-of-us < 1326380726 91072 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1326380730 414609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from people who weren't there < 1326380772 335334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I had forgotten that befunge implementation. It kind of worked for -93 I remember. < 1326380773 7222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I run into the roadblock of having no idea how to extend this thing with functions :P < 1326380776 983560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly piece of crap though < 1326380786 549448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as ugly as cfunge! < 1326380788 753464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since bash really doesn't like null-bytes < 1326380792 916249 :cheater_!~cheater@178-26-46-133-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1326380818 575299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to store null bytes as something else < 1326380828 160741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot how I solved that < 1326380843 562324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yo, how do I define gcd in Z3 < 1326380852 970706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII escape? < 1326380858 804256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess you have to specify them as axioms < 1326380867 65989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue. When I said I used z3 I mean I used it as a backend to something else < 1326380874 30799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked pretty well for that < 1326381048 5873 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326381059 783364 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:07] Vorpal: you stored them as the string "NUL" < 1326381061 431345 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:07] apparently, you got most of -98 sort-of-working too < 1326381069 206792 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it completed Mycology but with a few BADs and no fingerprints < 1326381077 27797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1326381078 532579 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1326381086 263636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523|sl < 1326381088 230135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1326381089 880327 :ais523|sl!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot all about this nick < 1326381097 407314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sl? < 1326381107 325909 :ais523|sl!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a typo for something < 1326381108 979105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/sbv/0.9.24/doc/html/Data-SBV-Examples-CodeGeneration-GCD.html < 1326381109 420996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1326381111 435652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i have fun creating trouble by saying things of an imbalancing nature < 1326381123 979058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why 12? We've empirically determined that this algorithm will recurse at most 12 times for arbitrary 8-bit numbers. Of course, this is a claim that we shall prove below." < 1326381124 246653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what next.. what next? < 1326381127 95697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it only works for 8-bits < 1326381127 632550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|sl, I believe I didn't actually handle arbitrarily wide playfield (because bash only had one-dimensional arrays) just a very large value < 1326381135 807191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|sl, and that didn't trip up mycology < 1326381142 958715 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell you what next < 1326381143 628620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgcd :: SWord8 -> SWord8 -> SWord8 < 1326381143 801455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgcd a b = go a b 12 < 1326381143 957632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where go :: SWord8 -> SWord8 -> SWord8 -> SWord8 < 1326381143 957905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : go x y c = ite (c .== 0 ||| y .== 0) -- stop if y is 0, or if we reach the recursion depth < 1326381143 958017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1326381144 515723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (go y y' (c-1)) < 1326381146 609914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where (_, y') = x `bvQuotRem` y < 1326381148 626571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1326381150 546349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports sharing < 1326381178 614488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|sl, anyway I have no clue where the source for that thing is, if I even have it still. It is probably around in a backup. Which year was it? < 1326381183 570790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program whose instructions exist in continuous space. < 1326381188 293940 :ais523|sl!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 < 1326381193 111664 :ais523|sl!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made cfunge a couple of days later < 1326381197 802396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326381218 323021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I was still learning C at the time < 1326381248 760813 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A further deviation of the continuous chess idea < 1326381279 431822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1326381292 984512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? < 1326381294 600049 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automata are so friendly with their tile-alignment < 1326381294 755419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|sl: Hey, you'll hit fungot's first appearance soon, if you haven't already; that's in 2008 too. < 1326381294 911610 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you for the positive approach which makes use of a gmo may be authorised against the will of the majority of members of parliament. < 1326381321 228587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, wow that sounds scary < 1326381322 172761 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mr president, here with me in this matter, though i feel this is necessary. my view is that dublin i achieved its objectives of regulating the market in may, as we know, allocates eur fnord million in the 2001 budget. having always been in favour of all the services and reception facilities must apply to all the others and extend its cooperation with states who find themselves excluded from it. < 1326381327 967264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti isn't so funny when he gets at your ideas. < 1326381343 900161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I see that "^raw" was free-for-all at first, and the fourth thing the bot said on channel was "PISS OUT MY ASS". < 1326381352 158117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... typical. < 1326381360 683993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1326381362 740404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said that < 1326381364 729007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an infinite space where there are only points and edges, all existing at relative distances from each other < 1326381367 594387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1326381375 735985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did it run on cfunge from the start or was it rcfunge first? < 1326381378 828677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1326381379 944876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rcfunge < 1326381384 329283 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326381390 440483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: PISS OUT MY ASS < 1326381391 770208 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mr president, i think that, while the agency has lost 20 because of these shortcomings that we are very happy, i think, is to consolidate what has been said demonstrates the tendency and effort to liberate tibet and censure the peoples republic of china since 1986, especially in the central southern areas of the country is very complex, because we need to deploy all the resources, if the ban remains in place, as was re < 1326381406 116000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rc/Funge-98 was what I started with, yes. < 1326381408 205504 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: last night, that there are no easy answers. i hope that parliament will be right behind you. mr rack was right: the iraqi people should be given the power of the judiciary, with clear figures and sanctions. furthermore, there were procedures which the court of auditors' reports, and i would like to ask the european commission has been made so far on the closure of the pas de calais plant is the worst one. since the dis < 1326381420 657351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: YUO BUG. < 1326381421 102644 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: madam president, it is in taking repressive measures, restore the constitutional state and release all 30 remaining political prisoners. < 1326381427 113495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: STILL NOT ELLIOTT. < 1326381427 382172 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i would like to give a high profile in contrast to the much discussed issue of category. as you will be able to turn back the clock of history. < 1326381438 193974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what causes that bug? < 1326381445 603381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug? < 1326381447 569376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the same corruption thing. < 1326381452 54464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no bug. < 1326381469 845453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah i just find the discrete space of befunge to be too "easy" < 1326381479 728840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said one line and it highlighted you 3 times rather than the person who actually triggered it < 1326381491 584936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm maybe it is overlong lines or such? < 1326381505 913587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try increasing the size of some buffers to more than what should be required? < 1326381511 645566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete 2d graphs in general, with a finite number of neighbours for each cell < 1326381518 521401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dull < 1326381522 879485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it could be the text-generation making overlong sentences, though those should have limits. < 1326381526 35768 :ais523|sl!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1326381528 296711 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah!!! < 1326381529 585787 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1326381534 764589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's how it saw the last lines: http://sprunge.us/cdNL < 1326381548 716615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh. < 1326381563 526503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hrrm. < 1326381581 214462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can the text generator overflow if a /word/ is too long? < 1326381581 522738 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that explains why Pietbot isn't working! < 1326381587 713865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like, it's under, appends a word, and that makes it go oevr. < 1326381588 530862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :over. < 1326381628 494723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't really recall at all. My guess is it's writing directly to the "output line" buffer, but I could be worng. < 1326381630 553750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1326381630 710123 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1326381632 803992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just in case you might want to try valgrind. I can't say I have debugged the network code much past making sure mycology passes, which iirc gives 100% branch coverage (excluding "failed to connect" style branches) < 1326381686 209047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see what sort of C code bug could cause that result though < 1326381693 895143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is fairly simple iirc < 1326381817 174697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% branch coverage excluding branches. < 1326381845 908443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I should point out that there are actually branches in cfunge testing if malloc returned NULL :P < 1326381855 763167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm talking about that sort of branches. < 1326381871 285545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and a lot of input validation < 1326381877 383972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 0 is the input buffer I read to with SOCK; line 3 has the current IRC message line before parsing, and is also used for the reply; lines 4... are the separate parts (prefix, command, arguments) of the IRC line. If I mungle around on line 3, that shouldn't matter, since in the next round it *should* copy a new line on top of it. Line 8 is used for reading the babble model files, and line 9 has the generated tokens of the sentence. < 1326381879 341631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have code to test all of that < 1326381885 578641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the malloc ones < 1326381898 71265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general though I'd expect that even if one of these buffers overflow, they'd stay on their respective lines. < 1326381927 766373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm any literal newlines that might mess up anywhere? < 1326381934 918722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you use FILE right? < 1326381937 474343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not < 1326381986 353583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that good math bad math thing, the guy didn't give any references so i think its ok to hold onto your definitions of TC for now < 1326381987 147022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and even if you 'p' a newline it won't change the topology of the space (sadly). But of course there might well be bugs in anywhere. < 1326382002 820699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking about io with i < 1326382004 285151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until there is some signifigant proof < 1326382008 212395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run into newline issues there < 1326382020 398915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Well, no, I don't use 'i' except for ^reload. < 1326382034 252236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the mere fact that the guy is a mathematician phd blogger working at google doesn't give him final word < 1326382071 850804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway how many bytes do you read from the socket? Could you end up with reading 511 out of 512 chars or such? < 1326382084 477870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik SOCK doesn't split into lines for you < 1326382097 290720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so I assume you deal with partial lines somehow? < 1326382106 492141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I read up to fff** bytes at a time. < 1326382110 363934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : about that good math bad math thing, the guy didn't give any references so i think its ok to hold onto your definitions of TC for now < 1326382118 332170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you have a partial line in the OS buffer? < 1326382123 853194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The guy is prominent enough to *be* the reference, methinks. < 1326382141 7009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did you guys get it wrong? :P < 1326382151 142859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a state of panic < 1326382155 767451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, and even if you 'p' a newline it won't change the topology of the space (sadly). < 1326382157 418132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a line could be split over multiple packets due to Nagel's algorithm bunching up a bit of data and you hitting the limit for the packet size in the middle of a line < 1326382158 974049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Very sadly indeed. < 1326382173 566745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to other reasons as well < 1326382176 465154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as language goes, language changes.. gay doesn't mean happy < 1326382182 122430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe TC now means TE < 1326382200 453628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe this guy is a grump about terminology < 1326382227 667054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It reads into line 0, appending it after the end of any previous incomplete line; then processes all complete lines (that end in CR or LF), and finally copies whatever trailing bytes remain after the last CR or LF to start of line 0, so that the next read appends to that. < 1326382234 817754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or anyway that's what it's supposed to do. < 1326382238 898277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326382273 958924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each newline it copies the complete IRC-line to line 3, and then does whatever is necessary. < 1326382275 71936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess he may be right < 1326382289 243664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ignores empty lines before that bit of code, but that shouldn't really be relevant. < 1326382311 61726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example the empty line between CR and LF if the server's sending CRLF-terminated lines like it IIRC should.) < 1326382312 276494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see any obvious problems in the algorithms < 1326382322 576839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't feel like debugging befunge code written by someone else < 1326382330 562507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just looked at SOCK.c < 1326382334 888256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks in order < 1326382355 263064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simple code for R < 1326382362 22272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you write an n-cursor k-d tree zipper for me, please? Thanks < 1326382414 788399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what would happen if the server sent LF terminated or CR terminated? < 1326382429 817201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing much, except there wouldn't be any empty lines to ignore. < 1326382434 557334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It accepts both as terminators. < 1326382438 61285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also if you replay the input, does the bug still happen? < 1326382454 965886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, IIRC; that's sort-of why I suspect the babblerator. < 1326382464 646151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do the randomness? < 1326382467 253587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it of course might have to do with the reads getting split up at different places. < 1326382472 346167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "?", what else?-) < 1326382473 17638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?) < 1326382475 32914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326382487 817743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe there is some fingerprint that provides random(n), not sure < 1326382491 26871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I needs to go grocery shopping now, back laters. < 1326382494 598721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1326382535 88611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically seems to me he is trying to say that a language/machine is TE, but a program is TC < 1326382539 308727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, FIXP (an rcfunge one) provides D for fixed point randomness < 1326382547 302360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, integer randomness even < 1326382559 789678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I see I do in the rather naive way. < 1326382577 517165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(random() % n) <-- don't do this at home kids < 1326382599 546389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least I left a comment about it) < 1326382600 632836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's about the distinction between a Turing equivalent computing system, and a Turing complete computation. " < 1326382721 63547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry guys im sure your wiki pages don't need updating < 1326383074 917765 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326383095 443980 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326383157 82769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a teeny bit arrogant :P < 1326383189 464591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make lambdabot give someone a message at a particular time < 1326383216 251267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who created lambabot, was it roger g? < 1326383217 635009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, if that time is "when they next speak", sure < 1326383238 26487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Many people. < 1326383247 434389 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1326383252 473019 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I was thinking more along the lines of first of february < 1326383265 899883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1326383300 808983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: It's been around for at least 8 years, I think. < 1326383304 77230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably longer. < 1326383341 306066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: do you mean to simulate a regular @tell on the specified moment? < 1326383356 612833 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that would be nice, but not necassarily < 1326383373 631925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person might not be there at the specified time < 1326383384 549327 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be me < 1326383500 988115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Just @tell yourself to @tell yourself about it then. < 1326383508 866167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And keep re@telling yourself about it until the day before. < 1326383535 463698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ngevd Is it possible to make lambdabot give someone a message at a particular time < 1326383535 868910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1326383555 607597 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1326383556 9581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 said 20s ago: Is it possible to make lambdabot give someone a message at a particular time < 1326383610 706071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my try < 1326383709 747676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, I was thinking more along the lines of first of february <-- log on then and give them that message? < 1326383718 831809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, or schedule cron on your computer to send it? < 1326383738 30936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1326383824 648721 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference with me is i have practical uses for these topics < 1326383851 491540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not trying to fix whats not broken < 1326383861 794517 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 is actually a Computer Science teacher < 1326383874 870408 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, evolution vs intelligent design is not actually helpful :D < 1326383920 984727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not a useful end in itself. i guess it generates cool things in the same way as chess ai research does < 1326383949 665210 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess AI is next-to-useless except for playing chess < 1326383962 362529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be useful is an AI for some psychological game < 1326383962 520378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crud < 1326383965 488722 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Uno < 1326383997 705937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean (in my idealistic fairyland) that chess AI research improves the AI technology and such < 1326384011 960069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i prove it? no.. i just take peoples word on it < 1326384030 794284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I think gmail has a todo date reminder thing. < 1326384032 665083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use that. < 1326384034 477024 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its like how games create a market for graphics cards which accelerates their development < 1326384071 623151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, poker? < 1326384091 224722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, also check your phone, I can put reminders in mine < 1326384111 407096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "08:00 exam" < 1326384114 879033 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I never have my phone on < 1326384129 303817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gmail seems the best option < 1326384130 914851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only turn mine off when sleeping < 1326384147 611135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unless I'm home it is always in my pocket < 1326384155 303724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm home it is usually somewhere on my desk < 1326384187 19248 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditional chinese medicine may have developed due to attempts to create an immortality system < 1326384237 586359 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1326384259 204714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemistry may have developed due to trying to turn lead into gold < 1326384296 5426 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1326384301 632840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably possible but not very cost efficient < 1326384342 376277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lead is 89 and gold 79. I guess you need to split lead to get gold then < 1326384366 388215 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold and Neon? < 1326384378 6529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this painting itself is cooler than the act it depicts http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/JosephWright-Alchemist-1.jpg < 1326384386 896424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, is that the difference? < 1326384396 447870 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1326384409 686136 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neon has 10 protons < 1326384412 752965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, well we want to get the lighter element out of the heavier, not the other way around < 1326384414 141798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hrrm < 1326384427 517422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no physisist < 1326384439 374329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor am I < 1326384480 327756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the goal is always games < 1326384503 352857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1326384510 768446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1326384519 750280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it depict < 1326384523 598315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, and goal for what? < 1326384526 110692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alchemy < 1326384532 414195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^it depicts alchemy < 1326384535 211542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I meant more specifically < 1326384543 833686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno man i stumbled on it in wiki < 1326384546 663016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326384553 682277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't get the cooler thingy you just said < 1326384554 488729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean the goal of any study or serious work < 1326384562 365541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool as in impressive < 1326384571 169234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alchemy inspired that painting < 1326384578 6763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so in the end you want games out of everything? < 1326384587 504391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer games? < 1326384588 832932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. i think the painting is more valuable than gold < 1326384639 621973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i don't want to limit it to computer games < 1326384664 866171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but primarily yes < 1326384680 232242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as most music is done through a computer these days :P < 1326384685 557250 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132956.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326384692 762282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i know the playing isn't < 1326384695 352484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the listening is < 1326384713 715559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. no? It is generally done through sound waves < 1326384716 308956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1326384867 893807 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have done the thinkin < 1326384870 877705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thinking < 1326384884 649696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no good reason why gaming can't be an end in itself < 1326384886 607662 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326385262 189515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing I just wrote: < 1326385263 803602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class R t where < 1326385263 959846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : simple < 1326385264 207697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: ((t ~ Void) => Proxy () -> r) < 1326385264 363971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a. (t ~ Const a, Reg a) => Proxy a -> r) < 1326385264 364159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ((t ~ Id) => Proxy () -> r) < 1326385264 880241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a b. (t ~ (a :+: b), R a, R b) => Proxy (a (), b ()) -> r) < 1326385266 907335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a b. (t ~ (a :*: b), R a, R b) => Proxy (a (), b ()) -> r) < 1326385268 760039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a b. (t ~ (a :. b), R a, R b) => Proxy (a (), b ()) -> r) < 1326385270 869486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> r < 1326385298 904194 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have but the vaguest idea what this doesw < 1326385832 335468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is Proxy? < 1326385854 797339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Proxy < 1326385855 962895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Proxy' < 1326385856 119116 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the sky is beatiful to the west < 1326385861 637410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not built in indeed < 1326386539 82472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326386555 103763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1326386662 840375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326386907 513760 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I vaguely think it's a thing to avoid using undefined::Blah all the time, but not sure < 1326386921 533301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326386924 502152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/tagged/0.2.3.1/doc/html/Data-Proxy.html < 1326386949 860873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what does tagged do? < 1326386959 606224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provides Data.Proxy and Data.Tagged. < 1326386975 326274 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: helpful < 1326386990 385257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'package Foo; our $x;' > test.pl; perl -e 'package Foo; our $x = 2; do "test.pl"; print $x' < 1326386994 487439 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Provides newtype wrappers for phantom types to avoid unsafely passing dummy arguments" < 1326386996 789364 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1326387003 91272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ho < 1326387003 648276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, right < 1326387023 418095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a non-assigned our declaration does not rewrite anything. < 1326387027 234459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be USEFUL < 1326387042 39528 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" This can be used in place of the more traditional but less safe idiom of passing in an undefined value with the type, because unlike an (s -> b), a Tagged s b can't try to use the argument s as a real value." < 1326387045 34482 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it now < 1326387085 995557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Proxy s -> b) is nicer than (Tagged s b). < 1326387157 823992 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Proxy Foo is an abstract thing that ... refers to type Foo without having a value? < 1326387211 873127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Proxy a = Proxy < 1326387212 987537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ABSTRACT < 1326387248 22062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, was wondering how to make Proxys < 1326387255 577859 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Proxy::Int instead of undefined::Int < 1326387272 349877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1326387279 529164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Proxy is a great Int. < 1326387280 376380 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1326387290 157606 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy::(Proxy Int) < 1326387390 792683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of preferring to use a Tagged over a Proxy < 1326387405 558391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means just an untag, instead of a dummy Proxy argument < 1326387480 390377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Taggeds are a lot harder to write implementation code with. < 1326387487 375546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With proxies you can easily retag to recurse etc. < 1326387623 707926 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll understand Reflection better < 1326387666 660074 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why proxy s -> a instead of Proxy s -> a? < 1326387881 259686 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I understand the usage: Code that calls code that .. etc. that use configuration stuff just add a class constraint to their type signature. No extra argument or anything like that. A function that wants the data gets at it by building a Proxy of the appropriate type (ScopedTypeVariables perhaps?) and calling reflect on it. The whole thing is run with reify < 1326387903 864854 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not entirely sure it makes sense. < 1326387960 407466 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the whole conglamoration needs to accept an argument < 1326388005 210588 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess every function accepts an extra argument, but ... wait, that makes the whole thing pointless < 1326388208 700529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Encoding t id (**) pu (++) su where < 1326388208 969866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : p_encoding < 1326388209 125985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: ((t ~ id) => r) < 1326388209 126064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ((t ~ pu) => r) < 1326388209 126108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ((t ~ su) => r) < 1326388209 784638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a b. (t ~ (a**b), < 1326388211 842951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Encoding a id (**) pu (++) su, < 1326388213 721379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Encoding b id (**) pu (++) su) < 1326388215 930409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : => Proxy (a (), b ()) -> r) < 1326388217 678987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (forall a b. (t ~ (a++b), < 1326388219 902943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Encoding a id (**) pu (++) su, < 1326388221 881182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Encoding b id (**) pu (++) su) < 1326388223 760441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : => Proxy (a (), b ()) -> r) < 1326388225 654158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> r < 1326388227 846632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Algebraic t id (**) pu (++) su where < 1326388229 839180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : type ADT t :: * -> * < 1326388231 799855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : encode :: t -> ADT t t < 1326388233 771398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : decode :: ADT t t -> t < 1326388235 827978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : p_algebraic :: ((Encoding (ADT t) id (**) pu (++) su) => r) -> r < 1326388312 138103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind mis-match < 1326388312 331176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The third argument of `Algebraic' should have kind `(* -> *) < 1326388312 331353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (* -> *) < 1326388312 580665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> * < 1326388312 737508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *', < 1326388313 118774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but `**' has kind `* -> * -> *' < 1326388314 865070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr. < 1326388896 944629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1326389505 917883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice the last section of this book is some group theory proofs < 1326389511 440992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't get to cover that in class though < 1326389617 522059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first half of the book is... literally the same as in discrete math. < 1326389789 496792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should take real analysis. er wait I think that requires calc 3 which I didn't take... < 1326389800 855885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I SHOULD MAJOR IN MATH????? < 1326389809 486185 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or minor < 1326389811 3440 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that. < 1326389830 824117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.... dual major? < 1326389833 76431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing. < 1326389871 197502 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need to find a polymath to be an apprentice for < 1326389876 991828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could be a completely dumb idea < 1326389883 953869 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132956.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912] < 1326389990 944085 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is implicit that it could be a dumb idea, i bring attention to it because anyone who actually took that idea to heart could end up in the shadows of someone who doesn't want to be outshined < 1326390067 959487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily if you want to anticipate new paradigms you need to have some freedom < 1326390081 286548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess everyone needs some training to get started < 1326390139 320407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ahh why must i give advice < 1326390179 430517 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it is as true for academics as it is for sports that you get out what you put in < 1326390309 881010 :cheater_!~cheater@178-26-46-133-dynip.superkabel.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a polymath itidus21 < 1326390321 820556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a polymath is an intellectual badass < 1326390337 205857 :cheater_!~cheater@178-26-46-133-dynip.superkabel.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1326390338 187397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind who have villages named after them < 1326390417 395248 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be argued that they are a jack of many trades < 1326390442 416513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think there is some synergy they get from so many trades < 1326390466 681955 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki defines synergy as "Synergy may be defined as two or more things functioning together to produce a result not independently obtainable." < 1326390479 391292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fits perfectly with what i said < 1326390592 126244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples might be leonardo da vinci, gottfried leibniz < 1326390602 538618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure newton also < 1326390652 486276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polymaths < 1326390779 216887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair it is more about the mind than the body, but some would argue that a strong mind requires a strong body < 1326390800 747498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polygons. You know, just famous polygons from around the world. < 1326390825 648551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there is a "List of polygons, polyhedra and polytopes". < 1326390834 746790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's just types of polygons, not individual famous ones. < 1326390871 72192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does contain e.g. the great inverted snub icosidodecahedron, so it's got that going for it. < 1326390899 787716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_inverted_snub_icosidodecahedron < 1326390916 393429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a small cute hedgehog, except not quite. < 1326390924 483267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge them into a "List of polygons, polyhedra, polymaths and polytopes" < 1326390934 945190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and polyglots < 1326390959 752786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That is my new favourite polyhedron. < 1326390975 608412 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polypolys < 1326390987 488280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that have more than one poly- descriptor < 1326391196 750930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im always struck by ideas.. im not sure whether saying them all is positive. this idea which just hit me due to reading a page wrong is a dictionary where every definition is a poem < 1326391223 677769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an example usage but literally a definition < 1326391263 819611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the idea born of someone who owns so many dictionaries that he realizes they are useless < 1326391308 392267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose poetry would merely be a kind of sugar coating though for the definition < 1326391454 104975 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to write the more class descriptions for Aberration Saver prestige class of D&D game, and write some of the spells which have not yet been written (such as Confuse Objects) < 1326391466 757895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh heres a nice quote < 1326391472 884429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Jorge Luis Borges says in the prologue to "El otro, el mismo": "It is often forgotten that (dictionaries) are artificial repositories, put together well after the languages they define. The roots of language are irrational and of a magical nature." < 1326391572 553052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: O, I didn't see that. But, yes OK. But, there are constructed languages as well and they are difference < 1326391626 540946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got into a slight argument over lojban on new years eve < 1326391729 835090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck its already been done < 1326391745 107042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first Sanskrit dictionary, the Amarakośa, was written by Amara Sinha ca. 4th century CE. Written in verse, it listed around 10,000 words." < 1326391788 778436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/other_stuff/levels.tex < 1326392326 489492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that a program or a tex document or both? < 1326392532 941414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: A TeX document is also a program, so it will be both < 1326392578 329140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it laying out d&d rules? < 1326392605 665415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean uhh.. the tex is just used as a markup language right? < 1326392609 975872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: No, only the experience points needed for each level. The book only has up to level 20 but this one has as many as will fit on the page. < 1326392621 294852 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1326392627 548113 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1326392691 806059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is still more room on the page, so I could add more columns, do you have idea what information to add on one page? < 1326392703 961850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know d&d < 1326392730 561935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't make for a good roleplayer.. i don't like the politics < 1326392792 539435 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole bit where one can make an ego investment in their character and then set up conditions of winning or losing < 1326392797 502846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Politics? < 1326392804 870600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not in d&d < 1326392851 642027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but roleplay especially online < 1326392862 491007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, uh? < 1326392873 392343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'm not familiar with what you mean < 1326392875 566394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "you have to be descriptive" < 1326392877 701067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326392898 509546 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we do try to be descriptive. < 1326392922 242384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have issues thats all < 1326392936 402127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I mean with roleplaying online. In which type of game? < 1326392941 326482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use roleplay as an escape from reality as i'm told.. but i can't make that leap < 1326392961 880340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality has too much gravity for me < 1326392994 376134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play as monster character... so, that is part of the escape from reality; but I also sometimes use actual physics and so on to resolve a spell, so therefore it is similar to reality even if it isn't < 1326393008 49579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog plaindromes < 1326393013 59419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog palindromes < 1326393032 808384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be good < 1326393038 311743 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13749 < 1326393058 388958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... not so good < 1326393094 678832 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30415 < 1326393100 342748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you not read fantasy? < 1326393124 375232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't... i think that makes it extra difficult to play fantasy < 1326393124 571397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can enjoy fantasy novels then you can probably enjoy RPGs < 1326393142 548075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, try playing a non-online RPG? < 1326393146 716920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyrim or whatever < 1326393154 606254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And text adventure game is also a computer game similar to a role playing game. < 1326393156 889229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :witcher 2 is rather good, but might be too dark for your tastes < 1326393209 527497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been corrupted by exposure to the books in the sense that my idea of roleplay is still somewhat free from convention < 1326393221 851434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, text adventures usually annoy me. You have to try to guess the commands usually and also I can't make a clear map of the environment in my head. < 1326393225 696059 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have seen a lot of the types of roleplayers i describe chatting < 1326393245 653748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, "corrupted"? < 1326393252 633945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of funny the whole model of the world which have been developed around rpgs < 1326393284 943435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eh, RPGs is just an interesting way to pass free the time for me. < 1326393289 323366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each town has a tavern.. in this tavern adventurers sort of.. < 1326393299 178960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, not really, that is a stereotype < 1326393302 451796 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to be wrong for a few liens < 1326393315 865705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, also you can have RPGs in other settings than fantasy < 1326393327 648514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantasy is certainly the most common but sci-fi is rather common as well < 1326393329 264692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not always in D&D game and stuff, they don't always have a tavern, or whatever < 1326393334 529681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all different < 1326393346 103768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326393362 724812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you could set an RPG in a contemporary environment easily < 1326393389 264478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play multi-class? Do you like to play as monster character? Do you like to do strange thing in game? Sometimes even the referee didn't know you were going to do that, and that make game interesting too? < 1326393407 662332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like competitive role playing anyway < 1326393418 609248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, consider Deus Ex: It is an FPS/RPG hybrid set into the relatively near future (something like 50 years or so) < 1326393432 899888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like cooperative because i have some neuroses which make it difficult to compete < 1326393438 486698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, me? < 1326393456 656080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Including, but not limited to, you; yes. < 1326393462 615920 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326393464 710600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I tend to play computer RPGs mostly < 1326393467 141392 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in that palindromes pastelog a lot... < 1326393476 492130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, single player most of the time < 1326393482 79962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for "E, esoteric, ire to see" < 1326393483 99911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so rpgs in this sense are not referentially transparent < 1326393491 909161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer RPGs are not real role playing games < 1326393498 721191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how so? < 1326393502 272009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: What do you mean by that? < 1326393515 259703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "Sometimes even the referee didn't know you were going to do that, and that make game interesting too?" < 1326393522 333044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how are they less real than an RPG on pen and paper? < 1326393535 818027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean it isn't a role playing game < 1326393538 504871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, NWN even uses D&D ruleset for example < 1326393548 966178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't the point < 1326393554 537543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what /is/ the point then? < 1326393561 302259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1326393561 571044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand the idea i think, im just playing dumb to flush out the topic < 1326393573 337273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1326393577 56414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haveing said that i havent done a proper game of d&d < 1326393581 743529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not playing dumb much < 1326393628 939178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway, I quite like computer RPGs. They move at a faster pace than pen & paper RPGs. < 1326393630 95504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that i dont quite need the concept explained < 1326393644 96941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like non rpg rpgs the best < 1326393648 403270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326393667 703136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, anything made in japan < 1326393668 224870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surely even you can see the dissimlarity of a role-playing game in which very little role-playing is involved. < 1326393687 630093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326393699 308808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that varies between different RPGs. Especially for online RPGs there can be quite a bit or role playing going on < 1326393718 964886 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326393722 708572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and pen&paper RPG can easily devolve into a min-max style game play < 1326393732 914706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so no, the difference isn't that large at all < 1326393738 357869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan have this way of japanifying everything that hits their shores and they certainly managed it for the rpg < 1326393743 483788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, and pen&paper RPG can easily devolve into a min-max style game play < 1326393745 310042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in Sweden. < 1326393752 916342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, anyway you might like Deus Ex: Human Revolution, it is set into the near future, it is a RPG/FPS hybrid but it deals with interesting moral questions. < 1326393769 291992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not really. Ever played pen&paper D&D? < 1326393783 616808 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah my brother has that... i saw him play it.. pretty kick ass world simulation < 1326393789 374949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once. And once I played a pen&paper RPG with GURPS < 1326393800 869068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the texture quality in that game is pretty shit though. < 1326393808 16948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolls eyes < 1326393814 492375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what? < 1326393830 627000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics thing :P < 1326393832 145963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it is a nice game. But it is obviously a console port. < 1326393837 300408 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1326393868 51509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, if you play it on a large computer monitor near you you see things in much more detail than on a TV further away < 1326393880 179655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, and the result is that it is obviously a console port < 1326393889 193150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not fussy... my video card sucks < 1326393905 254056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might not be playable. Who knows. < 1326393908 770138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have intentions to upgrade my video card, however, i still doubt my pc can easily handle it < 1326393911 979366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it and see < 1326393914 968801 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326393919 966260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, how much ram and which CPU? < 1326393929 304276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment < 1326393940 82112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I ran it from a slow HDD, only issue was that the loading time was like >half a minute < 1326393949 892447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, can you just type something into IRC for me? < 1326393956 391019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, when possible I play games from my SSD < 1326393958 928204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326393975 144095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/ignore Vorpal*!*@*" < 1326393982 386060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why? < 1326393985 435201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why on earth < 1326393994 462269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because he keeps saying my name over and over? < 1326393995 266875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta concur right now. < 1326394006 929283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal hmm i have an idea... < 1326394009 463575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the highlight thing, sorry, used to high volue channels < 1326394010 135844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'll explain once you've done it. < 1326394018 614629 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326394023 646792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's most definitely the highlight thing. < 1326394039 212995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try to remember it isn't needed < 1326394052 90235 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: IGNORE < 1326394052 540406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com < 1326394052 695871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : types - types of data to ignore, one or all of: < 1326394052 696058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL < 1326394052 696165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : options - NOSAVE, QUIET < 1326394060 98597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1326394061 840667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you use xchat < 1326394062 646540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/ignore Vorpal*!*@* ALL" < 1326394067 866684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't do it < 1326394083 817534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Phantom_Hoover is being a jerk here < 1326394090 115951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive done it cos i have to see where this is going :P < 1326394096 101127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1326394101 67272 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I'm not a boat, I'm a really, really beautiful cheese grater | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326394110 594879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could easily just say you did it and not do it < 1326394114 393214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is unbearable, and you haven't been around long enough to fully understand his unbearability. < 1326394119 37982 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1326394119 978142 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1326394122 784504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh shut up < 1326394133 918310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqrt(-Garfield) 926 < 1326394135 165124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok unignored < 1326394141 154859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1326394148 272126 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will slow down.. < 1326394153 77804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love #esoteric. < 1326394156 549880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think Phantom_Hoover is while not unbearable, quite close. :P < 1326394162 846222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he is also quite a jerk < 1326394170 261484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes at least) < 1326394201 282346 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I want is Trex < 1326394210 509174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that i don't like mathematics.. its just that my knowledge of coding is way out of step with my knowledge of math < 1326394212 655569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, itidus21, if you have a reasonably modern CPU (say core 2 duo or such) and like 4 GB RAM then you can probably play most games. < 1326394220 322811 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, am I still on your ignore list? < 1326394220 997089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given an upgraded GPU) < 1326394227 292963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i'm not a good coder.. i'm an atrocious mathematician < 1326394237 30917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, no, although you're on probation until you renounce Smith. < 1326394248 649434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, who is this smith? < 1326394278 866323 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matt Smith, actor of the eleventh (not counting Hammer films and audiobooks, etc) Doctor from the TV Serieses Doctor Who < 1326394287 186770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha < 1326394302 763789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess PH didn't like him < 1326394303 742941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: "serieses" < 1326394303 898996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1326394305 540816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz < 1326394305 983575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... 2gb ram < 1326394307 405846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gets you another ignore. < 1326394325 614251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, ram is quite cheap though < 1326394328 328249 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was emphasising the plural-ness for effect < 1326394336 519709 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am a /poet/ < 1326394374 176983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU is probably at the lower end as well. < 1326394406 958904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think Deus Ex: HR would cause much of a problem for that, you might not be able to run at max settings < 1326394431 606619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the official system requirements though, and note that they probably err on the side of caution to avoid pissed off customers < 1326394476 306414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually so awful at math that i can't transpose algebra expressions made up only of the alphabet of "=", "+", "*", "/", "-", "x", "^", "0", "1", "2", "3", "4", "5", "6", "7", "8", "9" < 1326394491 455849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get some of them.. but the problem is i don't get all of them < 1326394497 474095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(system requirements is not an exact science, apart from the required disk space everything is pretty hard to calculate and you can't really test on every possible configuration) < 1326394518 170748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, try base 2, that reduces the alphabet ;P < 1326394540 593713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the best way i can explain the level i'm at < 1326394555 30022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i try to "dodge" algebra < 1326394585 274804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transpose? < 1326394589 913445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1326394598 470298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that too. < 1326394600 794652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans as in change.. not sure about the pose < 1326394603 25859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326394607 572089 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite < 1326394619 908186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve? < 1326394625 865909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1326394634 334324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a variable :) < 1326394642 727869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway if you don't like me why don't /you/ simply ignore me? Rather than try to get other people to do so? < 1326394655 426283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that's pretty damn difficult in the general case. < 1326394657 787001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i mean rewrite to x=[...] < 1326394696 535894 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: is a set of all possible strings in an alphabet of N symbols isomorphic to the set of all strings in ALL possible alphabets? < 1326394710 425044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1326394730 13 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1326394731 78306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean isomorphic < 1326394737 220641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but even for expressions with only 1 variable.. < 1326394739 818045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bijective function. < 1326394744 291223 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that can't be right < 1326394745 954332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"duh" < 1326394750 483385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 2 or 3.. i dunno < 1326394754 252784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean all possible alphabets < 1326394758 710095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1326394760 250924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1326394768 945837 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very helpful < 1326394777 64178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean finite strings on finite alphabets? < 1326394780 706379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326394785 555843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"duh" < 1326394799 562782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"okay" < 1326394800 501644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (what)S < 1326394800 657752 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1326394847 291694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean I know a finite string with a finite N-sized alphabet has a bijective function to any other set of finite strings with a finite M-sized alphabet. < 1326394865 513624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't sure if there was a bijective function from that set of strings to "all the other finite-alphabet strings ever" < 1326394894 786429 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure infinite-length strings are uncountable < 1326394913 418108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, that http://i.imgur.com/pAy4z.png review that I think Deewiant linked is fake: http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A15T4V4O8P803T/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview :( < 1326394919 918779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i am here with only an elementary knowledge of math(s) and so it's more than a little strange < 1326394949 91475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I modified this to fit on my oxygen tank and it ended up causing a small fire. Do not buy" "This connector is terrible. I need to connect a SATA connector to a old style molex 4 pin CD drive, but this connector does the opposite. Piece of junk and a waste of money" "I took a job that required me to make device drivers for some kind of weird thing with some blinking lights on it. I never made a driver before, but I am good at using Office and stu < 1326394949 360153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff so I told them I knew C++ and read a bit about it and was able to BS the interview. So I got this book and tried to understand how to make my drivers, but I couldn't and I got fired after 6 weeks. NOT RECOMMENDED for driver makers." < 1326394958 352182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nothing is more fun than getting trashed and ripping around the lake on my boat. This song reminds me of that!" < 1326394964 524747 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it makes sense considering that binary can be used to represent all other strings. < 1326394966 69249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I suppose they could just be a very strange person who also apparently flies. < 1326394969 603639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will hold out hope.
< 1326394974 950643 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B. Meowsic Keyboard < 1326394975 938621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1326394976 364502 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326394978 349153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know the specific mapping < 1326394981 39692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt actually anticipate math(s) at all on the topic of esolangs.. i had gotten this far without ever encountering the theory of computation < 1326394989 104141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1326395029 939969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: This was a place devoid of LIGHT and REASON before we all grew up and became REAL* MATHEMATICIANS* < 1326395031 538157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fake < 1326395033 905331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CS poseurs < 1326395037 910476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway if you don't like me why don't /you/ simply ignore me? Rather than try to get other people to do so? < 1326395062 172533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you ever talk to me again I hope you answer that question :) < 1326395074 561046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, consider that he may be ignoring you < 1326395076 134466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't then I will just assume you did in fact finally ignore me) < 1326395080 865876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because he's better than you, obviously. < 1326395100 824610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, my next line took care of that possibility yes < 1326395115 85855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, so just because someone is better than someone else they should be arrogant about it? < 1326395120 102723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326395121 754812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, that doesn't seem right to me < 1326395125 113707 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1326395133 964592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, okay that is a third possibility < 1326395139 4514 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Edinburgh has blown up in a ball of fire < 1326395139 406187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, in #esoteric, that seems to be the rule. < 1326395155 68843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: next you will probably tell me that this is a room of novices not fit to clean the shoes of the leading guys in the field < 1326395157 83473 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...... < 1326395159 147789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, anyway I don't think he is better than me. Better at some topics, sure. Worse at other ones probably. < 1326395166 12434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well I didn't really mean that... < 1326395166 817074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the so called leading guys in the field the ones with the biggest supercomputers < 1326395175 934816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kind of not totally serious. I don't have a metric with which to value the worth of human beings. < 1326395177 415010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, but I don't think a person can be intrinsically better than another one < 1326395224 59949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, fair enough, but I think the implications of it being taken seriously are worth considering < 1326395231 367618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. im trolling at this point < 1326395234 126147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes that was kind of my point. < 1326395236 626513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, :) < 1326395275 575309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i see it.. you can tell what the state of the art is by what the general populace has access to < 1326395278 302691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : are the so called leading guys in the field the ones with the biggest supercomputers <-- not really no. Supercomputers aren't required for esolangs < 1326395322 925552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : the way i see it.. you can tell what the state of the art is by what the general populace has access to <-- for what? Computers? < 1326395323 81901 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are more of an art than a mathsy thing < 1326395323 461969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, if you ever talk to me again I hope you answer that question :) < 1326395323 731719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that the esoteric knowledge held by military mad scientists really is very practical < 1326395346 535935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well obviously if he timed out I will agree he didn't receive it < 1326395348 68764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing people is practical. < 1326395350 90459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You really need to stop using :) like that all the time, it gets tired even quicker than usual when you do it all the time. < 1326395362 729616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :) < 1326395369 177156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, indeed :) < 1326395373 651772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I thought you were ignoring me. < 1326395382 601738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :he totally should < 1326395385 996094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1326395391 112305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he should. < 1326395396 258406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1326395404 474190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, i think if most people don't have access to it then it can be ignored < 1326395417 698366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is access < 1326395427 888059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: monqy denied access to the meaning of access. < 1326395429 42007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, very much depend on what you are trying to accomplish. < 1326395436 769302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im sure bill gates has a secret tech room < 1326395444 952571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where he has billion$ toys < 1326395448 89331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too have a secret tech room < 1326395453 941387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I need to sleep. Exam tomorrow. Computer graphics. Quite a fun topic. < 1326395479 558142 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326395496 845229 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome roper < 1326395501 64519 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1326395513 764658 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guelcon < 1326395517 379437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1326395533 371780 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1326395535 753686 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :low < 1326395549 591962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the chances of me learning group theory in a topology class? < 1326395578 681469 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical or geographic topology? < 1326395579 929073 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 < 1326395586 144360 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths < 1326395592 90209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: ah good < 1326395607 123674 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326395609 949260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically "I don't know" < 1326395616 550982 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon roper's actually slightly further ahead in time to us < 1326395628 17490 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopoo < 1326395630 255297 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper> low < 1326395639 361736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper lives in bizarro world < 1326395646 817500 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326395658 729193 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :car < 1326395667 746959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326395690 900274 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no car < 1326395694 429682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no yes < 1326395695 906507 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1326395704 412657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdr < 1326395711 165680 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac < 1326395716 578779 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calf < 1326395720 204593 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :midi < 1326395720 361113 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1326395728 765110 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown < 1326395732 610868 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :undef < 1326395737 971519 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redef < 1326395745 250389 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... fed? < 1326395752 804929 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed < 1326395772 891896 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beef < 1326395777 545298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed hashref of blessed globrefs < 1326395789 94334 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much < 1326395795 333864 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough!!! < 1326395797 479823 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never enough < 1326395799 268986 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1326395801 415152 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1326395802 86059 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!! < 1326395805 711904 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1326395810 846764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '!' < 1326395811 518506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... < 1326395823 122832 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always mind < 1326395826 673391 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1326395827 210571 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy motto < 1326395834 691540 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1326395842 50757 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1326395847 891922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's numberwang! < 1326395854 880555 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 5 < 1326395857 106583 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1326395866 130588 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1326395867 245337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: i just want to clarify this is the room of esoteric computer programming languages, not occult esoteric < 1326395874 409151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong its super occult < 1326395879 761228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :supermax occult++ full < 1326395888 641241 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioihgfdddf < 1326395891 367797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may know this im just making doubly clear so your time is not wasted < 1326395901 303925 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much < 1326395907 468471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ioihgfdddf < 1326395910 880006 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :800) ioihgfdddf < 1326395911 820060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1326395912 875119 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephtrase < 1326395915 756018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best 800 quote < 1326395921 953222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote rephtrase < 1326395926 98638 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :801) rephtrase < 1326395927 711502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best 801 quote < 1326395932 267996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1326395937 885027 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1326395940 600493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326395941 42188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326395947 767618 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should < 1326395950 938865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326395952 50628 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~:S~:^)(!):S~:^ < 1326395952 207280 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...too much output! < 1326395954 578263 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement < 1326395957 105983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326395957 376540 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326395963 495531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should implement < 1326395963 651853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326395966 408942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok < 1326395970 555518 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1326395972 70010 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326395978 50031 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language _ < 1326395985 950753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl JIT yes < 1326395987 249424 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1326395993 152006 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outstanding < 1326396002 322441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :standoutish < 1326396006 497681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326396009 898746 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotopoptimised < 1326396021 940129 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auto top optimised? < 1326396022 209696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm agree. < 1326396027 995154 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ues < 1326396028 841782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm angree < 1326396030 517704 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1326396039 301763 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n < 1326396041 328677 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1326396048 132636 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ues i think < 1326396059 427537 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes" is probably what you want < 1326396065 466767 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1326396069 451992 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326396075 212527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: nh < 1326396084 86611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ues si ues < 1326396089 998749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kgvjl < 1326396094 657487 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumamoito is the most inrfficient < 1326396104 895603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1326396113 566885 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :build -O < 1326396114 374411 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1326396118 131514 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount kilimanjaro < 1326396118 802604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must < 1326396121 852763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refficientise it < 1326396125 490561 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1326396128 388599 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atrapado? < 1326396128 841600 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1326396129 687131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfficientise it < 1326396133 490772 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326396148 579915 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yres < 1326396162 649880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Vowels&curid=4086&diff=26989&oldid=24085 < 1326396165 294226 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on screen keyvoard < 1326396170 782027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So how'd the SMT'ing go < 1326396170 938365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ayudame! < 1326396171 185586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new vowels for new breakfast homesteads < 1326396190 64911 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1326396197 874740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It got into some kind of loop; I think my gcd definition was wrong or something < 1326396201 849489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll look at it some more tomorrow < 1326396205 42218 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery: 15 < 1326396228 91892 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMT? < 1326396229 917560 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels looks cool < 1326396233 408934 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some optimizations alteady < 1326396249 621594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: so many terraces < 1326396259 456801 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like add on hardware < 1326396267 729345 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an esoteric programming language, optimization is not recommended < 1326396269 504909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(satisfiability modulo theories) < 1326396277 86971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I am completely disagree < 1326396296 141875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am completely disangree < 1326396298 641525 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yrs but we ned tine final implementation < 1326396309 800015 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tune < 1326396310 917467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326396314 641769 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, adding on of features to make shorter source code beyond what is necessary for Turing-completeness < 1326396314 797557 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1326396316 499108 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326396319 205890 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're befunge < 1326396323 826557 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: nope wrong < 1326396338 815694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl best esolang fro example < 1326396338 971847 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have controversial opinions < 1326396343 449068 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code unchanged < 1326396343 605274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you're discussing tarpits there < 1326396347 557104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all esolangs are tarpits < 1326396347 730554 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1326396353 3517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im houses < 1326396368 839740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the better ones are, because good esolangs are there to convey a new idea, and a tarpit's usually the clearest way to do that < 1326396371 335989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best fro example < 1326396374 841951 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SumaMoito is, however, a tarpit < 1326396382 878010 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SumaMoito is a family of languages that aims to include minimal Turing-complete languages with a particular style." < 1326396387 358729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Haskell isn't very tarpitty. maybe in Core. < 1326396387 627278 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 tarpits, rather < 1326396397 237396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and also conveys some new ideas. < 1326396401 982896 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg hardware-add Ă·Ă· sumamoito add < 1326396410 103806 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well... hmmm < 1326396411 253876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not. < 1326396418 28528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/'/'/'''''''''/ < 1326396423 112941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are any of the main ideas in Haskell new in Haskell? I thought Haskell was busy codifying them and using them well, not inventing them < 1326396432 34699 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1326396437 541167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where they originate, except for ML. < 1326396442 693435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambda calculus < 1326396458 125634 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric : collapde-afd < 1326396459 414053 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN < 1326396466 17780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is kind of a synthesis of already existing ideas, I guess. < 1326396483 194302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the reason Haskell was invented was that so many people were trying to make lazy functional langs all at once < 1326396486 391559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they decided to join forces < 1326396486 793602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes, Haskell is based on FORTRAN < 1326396486 949847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1326396489 250190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what ais523 said < 1326396498 890332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure if "pure" was in there from the start, or added later) < 1326396505 759840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically pure non-strict languages were just coming into existence < 1326396512 702468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone had their own dialect < 1326396517 86295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was miranda and i think lazy ml etc. < 1326396517 528806 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumamoito add is on hardware add is slightly more than ologn < 1326396522 990268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the haskell committee < 1326396537 829637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm actually thinking that we need a pure total functional language < 1326396538 769773 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1326396544 131430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the typeclass system is a haskell innovation though I think < 1326396550 473760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with the ability to use partiality under controlled circumstances < 1326396556 262822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably Haskell's most prominent added feature < 1326396560 637221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, that already exists < 1326396568 731986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, total languages can't express anything, but the things they can they're better for < 1326396580 28532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1326396605 666164 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform languahe features to match hardware fearures < 1326396607 986821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a language is both total and pure, evaluation strategy is irrelevant < 1326396617 712318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use call-by-telephone and it still works just fine < 1326396623 418576 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, some definitions of weak typing count ad-hoc polymorphism as weak typing. < 1326396628 826885 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326396631 914080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not sure whether you think you're stating non-obvious things or not :P < 1326396656 505037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's obvious, and yet people don't care about it anyway < 1326396671 80803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they do < 1326396676 899625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: yes compilers that compile to machine languages are good at that. < 1326396687 617181 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326396703 621724 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but collapse all language features? < 1326396710 259695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about call-by-nothing evaluation? < 1326396716 803138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you do nothing isntead of evaluate. < 1326396717 612104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you settle on whether Funge-98 is an esolang? < 1326396721 843972 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we nedd an uncollapsed language < 1326396734 334894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think it isn't, but I also think I can't justify my claim in terms that other people will understand < 1326396739 346148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not going to bother trying to argue the point < 1326396741 531776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: depends on what you mean by collapse < 1326396757 147677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fair enough I guess. < 1326396761 678945 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce to hardware operations < 1326396762 722938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-197-171.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326396765 542156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: compiling a language doesn't remove its features, it just implements them a certain way. < 1326396778 248534 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1326396779 652463 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what he has in mind < 1326396782 672785 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure$ < 1326396791 607185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Funge-98 is an esolang, FWIW (and I don't think it's particularly esoteric myself). < 1326396804 26213 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the definition of an esolang you generally use? < 1326396817 451453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Who, me or ais523? < 1326396827 547322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: a language for which writing a fully-featured standard library would be a waste of time < 1326396834 771824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Both, I think, which is why I didn't address it. < 1326396840 682180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Terrible definition IMO < 1326396843 540469 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line wrap not allowed. q < 1326396853 122997 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwat < 1326396854 888336 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1326396856 808640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language for which defining what esolang means would be a waste of time. < 1326396859 12257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or, not so much waste of time, but people not thinking it's necessary < 1326396878 168 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 chars < 1326396886 120870 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kimit < 1326396900 140194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So basically "a language which is hardly used at all, or only used as a joke" or something thereabout? < 1326396900 862006 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language designed to entertain rather than to be used for any practical task is my definition < 1326396918 498393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, obviously idiosyncrasy relative to the generalised status quo factors into it, as well as novelty and generally not being optimised for /use/ in design -- but the main factor I use is authorial intent, because it's inherently subjective and there are good reasons for going by it. < 1326396920 257276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if its a language designed for only 1 user? < 1326396928 935771 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o am drinking water < 1326396934 528764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think entirely made-for-practical-use languages can be esolangs too, e.g. bancstar < 1326396942 941691 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 14 < 1326396944 149295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I declare every language I invent an esolang, regardless of what it's for < 1326396947 10062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: e.g., Ursula, however weird it is by any metric, is not an esolang, because it was not intended as an esolang, and because it was designed for being used < 1326396949 466686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would you consider OIL an esolang? < 1326396951 662312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course it's a kind of failure for a practical language to get that status < 1326396954 370999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, it's just a DSL < 1326396965 407623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a DSL? < 1326396972 549615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ursala! < 1326396986 113678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (a) Intent isn't quite declaration, and I don't necessarily take declarations I think are unreliable at face value. (b) I know barely nothing about OIL. < 1326396989 888308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: domain-specific language < 1326396996 985633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, those could be called "accidental esolangs" perhaps? < 1326397013 209033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://c.intercal.org.uk/manual/dlbvn76f.htm#Optimizer-Idiom-Language < 1326397022 733568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But Befunge-98 is, both for reasons of idiosyncrasy (its syntax and very oddball tied-to-syntax control structure), and very clear intent of esoteric nature. < 1326397023 309879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a language invented for the purpose of implementing INTERCAL optimisers < 1326397031 216115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good at that, and really bad at anything else < 1326397033 309700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if Befunge-98 is nicer to program in than Ursula. < 1326397042 669495 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are languages that make defining what esolang means difficult. < 1326397062 651971 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the kind of definition I'd use as well. < 1326397065 686453 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wesay this is equivalent to < 1326397072 116126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Glancing at it and combining with what I know, I wouldn't say it's an esolang, but I'd say it's clearly intended to be fairly weird. < 1326397080 199747 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we optimisr to < 1326397116 604100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has seen some people claim that C is an esolang.
< 1326397118 219747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Another good reason to go by what the author says is that it avoids offending authors of serious languages when you call their work something with the connotations esolang has, and avoids offending authors of esolangs when you dare to suggest their work doesn't meet the criteria :P < 1326397120 369270 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1326397121 378876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Haskell. < 1326397134 639875 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dgffgg %% add < 1326397137 833801 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heh, yes. < 1326397138 103512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People like to say "lolololol is an esolang". < 1326397139 392388 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1326397142 721189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Perl, Java, etc. < 1326397145 61226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just noise. < 1326397147 342840 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first encountered Haskell on this channel < 1326397155 964145 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we transform things to dgffgg < 1326397159 247820 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might say that "not being optimised for /use/ in design" counts as authorial intent, though. < 1326397162 766571 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326397168 468797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as that includes all kinds of use. < 1326397172 774834 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1326397181 400582 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::$ < 1326397183 440333 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, < 1326397184 861690 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1326397185 463613 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1326397188 40414 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1326397188 322235 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1326397188 479183 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1326397190 669025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True, but I meant more direct intent; e.g. putting something on esolangs.org, or obvious presentation of the language as a serious tool on a website. < 1326397191 295127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so would you say LOLCODE is intended to be an esolang? < 1326397195 286096 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Herp durp I call non-esolagns eso too < 1326397196 766463 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. BANCStar is not an esolang, it's just an ASCII encoding of something that people have evidently unfortunately programmed in. < 1326397202 161219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe its authors had heard of esolangs, otherwise they wouldn't have invented something so banal < 1326397214 520545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: BANCStar's basically an asm < 1326397218 363166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an insane one < 1326397218 519627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think the inventors of LOLCODE are competent enough to intend one way or another. < 1326397224 82772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1326397230 535998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's pretty much my argument < 1326397234 148206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I definitely recall the author didn't know of esolangs. < 1326397240 638053 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Gregor an esolang is any language that's not C, assembly, C, cxx (???), forth, or sh < 1326397248 938847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also C < 1326397253 722078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Vowels < 1326397255 199300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLCODE probably is an esolang based on its sliver of silly syntax, but it's a really bad one. < 1326397255 910586 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that LOLCODE is intended as an esolang. < 1326397277 865289 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the author(s) didn't know the term or other such languages, it's clearly got a similar intent. < 1326397286 563194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!)S:^):^ it's the age of minimalism, simplify! < 1326397286 719538 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...too much output! < 1326397290 784094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: BANCStar is sort of an honorary esolang, in that it doesn't really count as one, but who the hell else is going to take it under their wing? < 1326397294 298869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the category of languages that includes Vowels was done better by Sorted! < 1326397301 629552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will probably never be beaten in that category < 1326397323 854465 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just an assembly language, IMO. < 1326397337 431336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, it's more of a community sense in which it counts as one than a language sense :P < 1326397339 620865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably discover that x86 microcode is just as insane < 1326397346 919748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It lacks the mnemonics to be an assembly language, though, I think. < 1326397349 107751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, it probably differs between manufacturers < 1326397351 205335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what I mean < 1326397354 277639 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are languages that are members of the set of esolangs. < 1326397358 965900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then you can call it an ASCII-encoded object format. < 1326397365 344277 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glue language < 1326397372 552109 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol gluethon < 1326397374 553934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't really care all that much whether something is an esolang or not; the main thing it's relevant for is to know how to categorise articles on the wiki. < 1326397409 358445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorted! is bilingual. It can understand both english and german code. To my knowledge, Sorted! is the only programming language that can do this, in the world." <--- someone should mention INTERCAL < 1326397413 193922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English/Latin) < 1326397430 138851 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sumamoito loop is optimised by some add < 1326397432 421630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's EgoBot's '!forth', gforth? < 1326397434 649696 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "the wiki" is the esolang wiki, then isn't being on the wiki something that makes it an esolang? :-P Except for joke articles like Perl (which should be categorized as a joke article or equivalent). < 1326397451 564159 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnested < 1326397472 484642 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnested < 1326397478 948019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ununested < 1326397481 797343 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uunnested < 1326397487 635284 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuencoded < 1326397491 299450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forth < 1326397497 579 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, gforth. < 1326397516 995013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The question of whether only esolangs can be articles has been brought up before; there's consensus that the wiki is for articles of relevant interest to esoteric programmers. < 1326397528 88940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That includes oddball things like Joy and whatnot. < 1326397533 153682 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd have a "category: non-esoteric", then. < 1326397536 533498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth gforth type < 1326397537 203134 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.1112:1: Undefined word \ >>>gforth<<< type \ Backtrace: \ $7F2761A86A68 throw \ $7F2761A9CCE0 no.extensions \ $7F2761A86D28 interpreter-notfound1 < 1326397541 414528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1326397547 70746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://esolangs.org/wiki/Chalcraft-Greene_train_track_automaton. < 1326397554 470645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Negated categories? Nah. < 1326397561 166392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: [[Category:Not 1999]] < 1326397564 376038 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand how befunge98 could possibly not be esoteric < 1326397578 462408 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, "category: esoteric" would be fine as well, just more work to keep up-to-date. :-P < 1326397593 328201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also seemingly redundant with the topic of the site. < 1326397593 596420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Languages < 1326397605 284228 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to be able ot perform boolan operations on categories in wikis. < 1326397607 280140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That doesn't say "esoteric languages". < 1326397612 220324 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Forth is a language. < 1326397619 653258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but it's only for esolangs, just like Forth was misplaced in [[Category:Before 1993]]. < 1326397632 382881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding "esoteric" to everything would be too many words. :p < 1326397642 795932 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battry 13 < 1326397655 276797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth hi < 1326397656 83296 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.1367:1: Undefined word \ >>>hi<<< \ Backtrace: \ $7FF11B654A68 throw \ $7FF11B66ACE0 no.extensions \ $7FF11B654D28 interpreter-notfound1 < 1326397656 889758 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Put it in the description of that category, then. :-P < 1326397687 574421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my question for you.. would you pay someone a salary to code in befunge98? < 1326397694 831342 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo you < 1326397697 207576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it but I can't be bothered to make a wiki account just for that, and I don't want to do it anonymously. < 1326397728 762094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, if you did it anonymously your vital contribution of "Esoteric" would be lost to the sands of time. < 1326397740 593271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even not end up on your tombstone. < 1326397744 376189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE LIES DEEWIANT < 1326397746 294857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ESOTERIC" < 1326397754 679287 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only need bread and water < 1326397764 89096 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Something like that, yes. < 1326397766 761164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "ESOTERIC" would be a badass epitaph. < 1326397769 547837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : gfv s" gforth" environment? if type then ; gfv < 1326397770 259405 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.7.0 < 1326397773 296759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, right. < 1326397775 889262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not epitaph. < 1326397777 982981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it epitaph? < 1326397788 536332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, maybe tomorrow. < 1326397793 868986 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be more esolang collabs < 1326397803 532058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef < 1326397809 743786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Didn't notice it was an environment-query thing and not a word.) < 1326397814 394136 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef...g < 1326397847 904715 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's happening today? < 1326397877 873508 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end of the world approaches < 1326397885 301439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm tired. < 1326397886 914152 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip future world < 1326397889 275742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lazy. < 1326397917 55383 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second per second < 1326397924 420968 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1326397938 576759 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exit < 1326397944 194201 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1326397955 78863 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum language < 1326397958 491603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP future world ,~ESOTERIC~` < 1326397962 960886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: hi < 1326397971 4622 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1326397974 696940 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Want to tell me about the bleeding edge when it comes to testing C libraries? Anything QuickCheck-like for C? Is TAP still the harness of choice? < 1326397988 582983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we travel through time at 1 second per second?, page 1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread551324/pg1 < 1326397991 577459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth s" gforth" environment? [if] type [then] \ simplify! < 1326397992 287781 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.7.0 < 1326398003 287714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're picking me due to my inexperience, right? < 1326398014 456200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Something like QuickCheck seems ill-suited to C. < 1326398018 438000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many C functions are pure. < 1326398022 814577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuzz testing seems like the closest thing. < 1326398026 825566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now it doesn't need to be in a separate dummy word just because if is a compile-only word.) < 1326398044 608290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now implement Befunge. < 1326398062 645424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a gforth interpreter (for -93) already, but it won't fit on one line. < 1326398063 48256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, TAP dates back to 1987. < 1326398071 26649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's why you have to do it again. < 1326398072 409379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also -98. < 1326398077 159711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also EgoBot takes URLs.) < 1326398086 659557 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuzz testing is pretty much the same thing. < 1326398088 176006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably has bitrotted away anyway. < 1326398088 712392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh! There's Falderal. :) < 1326398104 280799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://catseye.tc/projects/falderal/) < 1326398107 773397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it asks for which file to load. But maybe I could hardcore an interesting Befunge-93 program in. Are there any? < 1326398121 549304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering about good software for doing it, not just "cat /dev/random | test program". < 1326398153 619298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, be.fs is like the worstest. The 2003 fizzie should be shot. < 1326398174 591985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He was cool!!! he used lowercase < 1326398188 569868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that, all the comments in this are in lowercase. < 1326398215 883603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I bet you're not even *considering* Falderal. :p < 1326398235 569527 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "doctests for DSLs" isn't really what I'm after. :-P < 1326398257 54722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, you could make it more-or-less work like TAP except slightly awkwarder. :p < 1326398300 428747 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, extra work to do something in an awkwarder way than an alternative... I'm not considering it any more now, at least. < 1326398323 150337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Has anyone ever told you you're BOERING? < 1326398354 638351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, you could be my fuzzer. Write me a battery of Funge-Space tests. < 1326398389 391537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay. < 1326398400 204308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm not entirely sure how you would fuzz-test a fungespace. < 1326398422 133608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither am I. < 1326398477 507313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm not entirely sure how you would test a fungespace. I guess you could do read string -> do operations -> check string-rendered result, but... < 1326398497 716410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You should prove it correct. < 1326398537 736044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking along the lines of doing random writes, some of which come as groups forming patterns (so it's not just individual writes all over the place), and pairing each write with a read, which need not come immediately after the write (again random), as long as all writes are paired with a read. (Overlapping writes should discard the previous read somehow, or something.) < 1326398575 258731 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precise < 1326398613 303624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Too much structure; I'd do load random string -> do random write operations -> render to string -> check against trivial (slow) ref impl. < 1326398618 896909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I mean, the rendering part will already test the reading operations. < 1326398625 17727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that's easier. < 1326398668 341215 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs some structure or it won't catch some things that could be wrong. :-P (And have been wrong, in CCBI's implementation.) < 1326398679 344717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so someone should make the funge spec executable < 1326398731 663148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What could that miss? I mean, with enough samples... < 1326398736 101553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They did. < 1326398739 9050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's called Mycology. < 1326398740 834358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1326398774 576453 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, depends on how you do the randomness. Is it "generate three 32-bit integers and write the third to the coordinates specified by the first two"? :-P < 1326398818 489246 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I define to- hardware optimization? < 1326398819 564580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That, a few thousand times. Except probably restrict the range so you're likely to hit the pre-initialised data. < 1326398826 276628 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lidten < 1326398830 504846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that doesn't test for things like possible overflow, but you could do "edge" tests separately. < 1326398842 268450 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 12 < 1326398859 154978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess one could generate a random offset to load the original data to. < 1326398877 965816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which could then be biased to be near the edges at least some of the time. < 1326398896 541269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Man, who even cares, just release the damn thing already. < 1326398900 142327 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assign a name for each hardware operation < 1326398911 337171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Statistical models of fungespace write/read behaviour learned from some of the high-profile mission-critical large-scale Befunge programs (the sort of stuff eBay, facebook, Google use), then used to generate streams of operations. < 1326398930 826715 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assing some or more codes for each name < 1326398934 702129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *Facebook < 1326398944 347796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only "facebook" in the logotype. < 1326398948 589684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I confused it with fREenODE, sorry. < 1326398951 431069 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform from/to them and other < 1326398952 237995 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1326398964 723637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freen Ode. < 1326398971 899323 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ode to freen < 1326398972 446646 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1326398977 439046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ode to nerf-E. < 1326398992 854151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: How drunk are you? < 1326398999 379367 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe 0 < 1326399014 170779 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1326399015 357772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But anyway, the kind of stuff that wouldn't catch is e.g. "write to x, x+8, x+16, and now read x+8" (something similar to this was broken in CCBI once; not this simplest case, I think, but closely similar). < 1326399020 66393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a scale from -10 to 0. < 1326399020 469991 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 10 < 1326399031 581391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure it would; x+8 would be read in the ->string conversion. < 1326399040 582295 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) < 1326399051 503581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i hope to be negative drunk < 1326399056 825374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But that precise sequence of writes? < 1326399060 759871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Knurd is the term. < 1326399063 929608 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is acid < 1326399066 521695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, it's fuzz testing. < 1326399073 772164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's no intelligent design. < 1326399095 796738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, just work on sufficiently small fungespaces that you can exhaust a lot of the searchspaces? e.g. Doing something over 2^32 coordinates is easy. < 1326399095 953368 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pur one, elliot < 1326399120 814767 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 9a < 1326399153 505026 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a %% almost-from-top < 1326399182 129353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optomized" < 1326399183 89058 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose I can resign and leave the possibility that a lot of special cases will be broken at release. :-P < 1326399196 395298 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326399222 77172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to implement a fungespace on something that's far more parallel than a traditional CPU < 1326399226 173478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a GPU perhaps? < 1326399266 575046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't really be interesting. < 1326399273 606572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't really access them concurrently. < 1326399309 454856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right. < 1326399312 982460 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could. < 1326399322 237657 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with ATHR, I guess. < 1326399342 778826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("in ATHR": the new "in Feather"?) < 1326399399 271536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1326399424 84530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It has the sibling "in NSCK" for anything networking-related. < 1326399441 590418 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 8a < 1326399466 974372 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll have to remember that one. < 1326399498 35732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper: maybe you should charge < 1326399504 368187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :; optomize your battery% < 1326399510 997630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a WA game style doing here? < 1326399511 304677 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I wont until off < 1326399516 983891 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326399518 613094 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it will off < 1326399524 886055 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1326399529 668495 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me sleep < 1326399544 332840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about all the poor datas < 1326399545 177420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ropers date back to Worms 2, you uncultured plebeian. < 1326399563 426232 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they will stay < 1326399573 151488 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Hedgewars due to not having his WA.iso handy
< 1326399595 883699 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an android < 1326399609 687167 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anananandroid < 1326399610 896202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's like how fungot will do IPv6, server names instead of just IP, and HTTP requests "in NSCK". (Never mind most of those aren't actually NSCK-dependant at all, except the IPv6 thing.) < 1326399611 708906 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i fully endorse the proposal for a new com in the fruit and vegetable sector is the one area where europe can play an important role to play in relation to the content of his speech. will the commissioner hold new talks with the sudanese government. i hope that before they join. it is against that background it is totally disgraceful to claim that the court has given updated information on its application. < 1326399620 153114 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326399648 313422 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1326399659 316237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should make a BABL to accelerate babble-generation. < 1326399666 66580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: Tower of Babel allusion. < 1326399673 54897 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mikmod < 1326399698 659866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The module player library? < 1326399771 195946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1326399776 471121 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1326399792 591429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about benchmarks, what's "criterion for C"? < 1326399795 447286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that some MikMod's XM effects were a bit dubiously implemented. < 1326399795 603385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume hedgewars uses modules for music < 1326399809 858732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You know the great thing about Haskell? < 1326399815 658838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: All those wonderful tools you don't get with C. < 1326399838 324189 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And vice versa.) < 1326399847 14163 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit shaky < 1326399851 820349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The music) < 1326399863 435732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How retro. Also fmod would have more street cred. (And a worse license.) < 1326399886 237655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fmod is by scenesters. < 1326399891 663771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, just write your own thing or whatever. < 1326399906 442570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think C people "outsource" such "trivial" things. < 1326399913 109893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firk ding blast. < 1326399923 840925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem far more businessy than what they did. < 1326399940 3699 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326399943 717412 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that C programmers tend to be far too NIH-y. < 1326399968 76398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they've got that minifmod thing that does XM playback in 5k, they must have *some* intro background. < 1326399970 529880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, the language kind of forces you to. < 1326399981 148906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's not really much in the way of abstraction. :p < 1326400015 344427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't force you to, it just makes it a bit tricky to not. < 1326400081 150565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, you have to resort to cpp for anything beyond the most basic abstraction. < 1326400091 611387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which gives you all the abstractional power of raw text substitution. < 1326400098 157763 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oh well, I guess NIH + ministat is the way to go. < 1326400171 121731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ministat? < 1326400176 690248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/codemac/ministat < 1326400197 321794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So cheating. < 1326400203 429217 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entanglement < 1326400205 761014 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a better idea? < 1326400211 824043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Write yer own!!!! < 1326400220 802652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be sure to replicate it feature-for-feature. < 1326400254 291788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Confidence intervals are like so bourgeoisie. (And frequentist!) < 1326400283 358549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out why GArrow doesn't include ga_swap.
< 1326400422 428440 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always had to code it < 1326400443 105287 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326400452 615561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bourgeoisie Funge-98 software since 2007. < 1326400529 36636 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326400584 415547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You know what they say, can't spell Funge-98 without Bayes' theorem. < 1326400589 290707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're DEEWIANT. < 1326400626 515691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, shouldn't that be that you /can/ spell it without it unless you're Deewiant? < 1326400650 876442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; being a frequentist, you obviously somehow spell it without. < 1326400780 759077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What fizzie said. < 1326400792 627550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a PERVERSE ABOMINATION. < 1326400798 342377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERVBOMINATION. < 1326400876 419746 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think I can come up with a prior for the speed of my Funge-Space. < 1326400884 882999 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you expect we talk in binary? < 1326400890 512636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : R'lyeh standard time. I wonder what that would be like <-- enough time for death to die < 1326400898 800389 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will+ < 1326400913 127005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Then you will use an uninformative prior. < 1326400921 884443 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013? < 1326401028 42642 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326401096 101565 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326401102 177350 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull and wait < 1326401133 431171 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :push and wait < 1326401141 649403 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull push < 1326401145 283432 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01 < 1326401247 25242 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110 < 1326401296 936184 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01%%10 < 1326401320 486643 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+0%%00 < 1326401327 558647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1326401337 496828 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+1%%11 < 1326401338 437402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "So fast". < 1326401398 769675 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pppqqq%%010101 < 1326401440 197652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shush, I want to observe this in peace. < 1326401473 92109 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%% means interchangeable < 1326401494 660122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, roper or your funge-space? < 1326401504 393609 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ means concatenation < 1326401505 918774 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1326401506 765059 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: roper. < 1326401521 772708 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326401534 416190 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is almost all < 1326401550 237467 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask anything < 1326401581 576972 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 7a < 1326401624 249990 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may serve for optimisation < 1326401629 598552 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace < 1326401654 9338 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ffaster to slower or viceversa < 1326401691 532673 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may need to go slower before faster < 1326401707 582815 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the chain < 1326401737 52427 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may inviolve mathnythinfg < 1326401747 749819 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1326401773 291225 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1326401785 822050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I'm not a number, I'm a free cheese grater | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326401907 244359 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double+doube%%quad < 1326401918 444938 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1326401933 517388 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadruplicate < 1326402045 617521 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc a + inc a + dec a %% inc a < 1326402059 161840 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :system() should be called shell() because that's what it does. < 1326402061 964035 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1326402129 433983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, in C? < 1326402143 249650 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1326402156 866508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No it doesn't. < 1326402164 104942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're a terrible DS9K thinker. < 1326402182 249489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It should be called commandprocessor(). < 1326402200 224469 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shell" is the max-6-letter equivalent of "commandprocessor". < 1326402228 371047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these are the days of max-31-letter names. < 1326402231 243634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: system() just does something completely unspecified, so "system" seems like a good name for it. < 1326402235 380069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It calls out to the system, somehow. < 1326402243 712507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It passes the string to a command processor. < 1326402258 883492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that defined? < 1326402260 630063 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"system" makes me think of system calls. < 1326402265 25011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how it's defined. < 1326402276 984159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1326402288 862889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the system function passes the string pointed to by string to that command processor to be executed in a manner which the implementation shall document". < 1326402291 568740 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If string is not a null pointer, the system function passes the string pointed to by string to that command processor to be < 1326402294 743094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed in a manner which the implementation shall document; this might then cause the < 1326402298 336731 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :program calling system to behave in a non-conforming manner or to terminate. < 1326402304 706388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the warning. < 1326402313 635535 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 6a < 1326402332 998024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wonder how many times system(NULL) has been used. < 1326402347 265172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unaccidentally, anyway. < 1326402385 547372 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my C compiler starts needing a library, I'll make sure that that library's system() calls abort() if system(NULL) hasn't been called first. < 1326402478 441753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you also give system(NULL) a 10% chance to return 0 just to test that the programs are robust in handling the "no command processor" case? < 1326402482 966304 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 5a < 1326402532 58720 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nah; I trust that if they check it, they do so properly. :-P < 1326402546 552158 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 4a < 1326402779 325297 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 3a < 1326402814 283991 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 2a < 1326402920 854229 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 1a < 1326403052 586028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the DeathStar 9000, system() of course blows up a star system. < 1326403056 628471 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :batterya < 1326403127 146509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1326403135 589255 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1326403142 629375 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1% < 1326403288 729530 :roper!~rdrp@95.169.240.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326403303 343214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether he's avant-garde or just stupid. < 1326403305 93770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus ends roper. < 1326403321 472245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ropening: a saga for the ages. < 1326403349 974027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was a robot slowly deteriorating as he runs out of power, a million miles from Earth. < 1326403352 972288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only IRC to keep him company. < 1326403391 737954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1000000 miles -> c s < 1326403404 157313 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :804672000/149896229 (approx. 5.368193752225748) < 1326403420 388981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we've had worse lag than that < 1326403573 511001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his ip hinted spain < 1326403601 691668 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :His server hinted USA < 1326403614 257239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326403632 607274 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was in the Spanish Embassy in New York? < 1326403634 246820 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see >.> < 1326403640 385206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not good at irc < 1326403672 21973 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: His IP is the more relevant info, you can obviously connect to any server you want. :-P < 1326403673 174182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: um servers are frequently assigned randomly? < 1326403695 358656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326403704 614526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bijective function. < 1326403705 553810 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess they are, if you just connect to irc.freenode.net or whatever. < 1326403722 202765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BtW, this is never what 'isomorphic' means. < 1326403726 428232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrapado also suggests spanish < 1326403730 676130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would you not connect to irc.eu.freenode.net or some such continentally appropriate name. < 1326403759 330767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An isomorphism is a bijection which also preserves structure in some way, at least in all the examples I've seen. < 1326403764 548860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01:34: I'm pretty sure infinite-length strings are uncountable < 1326403768 3856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, chat.eu.freenode.net. < 1326403774 632384 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just connect to the specific server I want and then when irssi auto-reconnects it goes to some random place if that server's down, I think. < 1326403778 69698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: except in the category of Set, you uncouth illiterate < 1326403786 665469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: define "preserves structure" < 1326403793 180310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *illiterate fuck is standard terminology tyvm. < 1326403798 369367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, it converts 32 random bits into an IPv4 address and goes there. < 1326403802 528923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who the hell uses isomorphisms in Set. < 1326403813 278727 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's what it seems like. < 1326403817 893474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was a bit confused after what i saw in the log, was it uncouth plebeian? < 1326403818 296966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, it varies. < 1326403835 247335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only looked at some of the logs today
< 1326403837 853627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is also acceptable when you want to SHAKE THINGS UP A BIT and can't quite bring yourself to swear at Ngevd. < 1326403840 122437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For groups, it means that f(x*y) = f(x)*f(y). < 1326403852 852958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have lindbohm.freenode.net and chat.eu.freenode.net listed. < 1326403861 411994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You've been accused of espionage in the logs. HTH. < 1326403862 17088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illiterate DARN. < 1326403865 484973 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326403874 167612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess if the recipient is illiterate it doesn't matter what words you use. < 1326403921 18861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For graphs, it means that edges and nodes stay attached. < 1326403929 157878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But why would you not connect to irc.eu.freenode.net or some such continentally appropriate name. <-- erm irc.freenode.net is in the irssi default list (and still what i connect to if my main norwegian server doesn't work) < 1326403939 961060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah okay. < 1326403948 762824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'moon. C'mon SO. Two upvotes in two and a half hours. < 1326403949 608634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But you might end up in the Americas! They might shoot you! < 1326403950 761990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it for me. < 1326403956 933966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me breach 6,800 today. < 1326403978 249174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They shoot people there.) < 1326403982 221063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :half < 1326403987 195035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1326403987 771642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01:34: I'm pretty sure infinite-length strings are uncountable < 1326403991 710482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are. < 1326403994 728535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they shoot them IN HALF. < 1326404014 938281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a MythBusters show about that. (Or I guess it maybe was a tree.) < 1326404021 847388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I saw a MythBusters show about that. (Or I guess it maybe was a tree.) < 1326404024 572781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you shoot them in half, they stay infinite. < 1326404025 821130 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :802) I saw a MythBusters show about that. (Or I guess it maybe was a tree.) < 1326404052 316554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you seen our perfect quotes: < 1326404054 106427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 800 < 1326404054 857430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 801 < 1326404057 141315 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :800) ioihgfdddf < 1326404078 755595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious quote 801. < 1326404085 20312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 801 < 1326404089 231809 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :801) rephtrase < 1326404119 42446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: You've been accused of espionage in the logs. HTH. <-- i saw that. didn't quite understand. i mean, how you could you possibly suspect innocent little _me_? also, don't touch that big red button. < 1326404131 875733 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :801) rephtrase < 1326404134 125728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ktat < 1326404143 86891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohmy;'god < 1326404164 103994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you didn't tell us KT-AT could Perl. < 1326404176 808531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a goddamn goddamn second < 1326404180 609007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's only one program. < 1326404183 424038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :She has to learn all the other programs. < 1326404185 344624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that another one. < 1326404186 461780 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are pi and e co-transcendental? < 1326404191 10531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was Idiot Girl. < 1326404195 981144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, co-transcendental? < 1326404199 109733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The politest name. < 1326404208 303953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your careless un-Torred logged-in Wiki edits have revealed you. < 1326404217 205007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The categorical dual of transcendental? < 1326404219 392430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, define this. < 1326404224 644686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As opposed to Torred logged-in wiki edits. < 1326404229 672170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those would have been so fucking safe. < 1326404258 798962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a is not expressible in algebraic terms of b < 1326404287 49002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ONION ROUTING. < 1326404291 855560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean a /= kb, k \in A? < 1326404299 62776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are pi and e co-transcendental? <-- famous unsolved problem. e.g. it's unknown whether either of pi+e and pi*e are rational, although at least one must be transcendental and both are suspected to be < 1326404300 405075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where A are algebraics. < 1326404314 892315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He just stepped on a security rake and got a face full of fucking safety, etc. < 1326404328 54883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The onions are the rake.) < 1326404373 772856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N User:Asd4628182‎; 21:36 . . (+3) . . Asd462818 (Talk | contribs) (New page: asd) < 1326404374 176178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N User:Asd462818‎; 21:31 . . (+3) . . Asd462818 (Talk | contribs) (New page: asd) < 1326404377 36237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAMBOTS. YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING ANY MORE. < 1326404403 818968 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan understands me < 1326404413 915335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you oerjan. < 1326404420 159571 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, will you be my friend? < 1326404428 856765 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will find that when it comes to camping, you dont just want to sleep in an tent, but you will want to get a commercial RV and use the commercial campgrounds as an alternative camping experience. < 1326404429 971428 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1326404436 633797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i assume he means whether pi / e is in the algebraic closed field generated by the other (equivalently i think, whether there's a nontrivial rational polynomial p(x,y) such that p(pi,e) = 0) < 1326404446 449966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1326404448 988391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to go traditionally camping because of the money, however, you will want to think about modern ways of camping. fuck tonight locally < 1326404452 657002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, < 1326404457 685145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pi and e < 1326404463 193301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no division implied < 1326404475 679157 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erla64ys418a "a good spambot" < 1326404515 161175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so more like prime : coprime :: transcendental : cotranscendental < 1326404521 550018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: fuck tonight locally < 1326404539 781741 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a link too < 1326404571 260797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What’s the Trick to Fucking Local Horny Locals Tonight?" < 1326404576 9410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern ways of camping < 1326404594 743021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not just local, they're fucking local. < 1326404603 721678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, these locals are local as *shit*. < 1326404632 596063 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh, city where shit is fucking local < 1326404646 441649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They're so fucking local that they're referred to as "local" TWICE in the same question! < 1326404679 150398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't deal with all this locality. < 1326404682 728786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going camping. < 1326404691 506470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will find that when it comes to camping, you dont just want to sleep in an tent, but you will want to get a commercial RV and use the commercial campgrounds as an alternative camping experience. < 1326404755 239757 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like the userpages of the asd bots < 1326404759 884110 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre very good < 1326404764 299178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get a sleeping bag and a room at the alta ice hotel < 1326404790 875215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also known as a "Norwegian holiday". < 1326404810 356625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no i haven't tried that. do i _look_ insane? oh right. well, i still haven't.) < 1326404968 297370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the Kiruna "ICEHOTEL" if you want the "Swedish holiday". < 1326404972 178673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: you can be my slightly less often beaten minion, if you like. < 1326404980 796904 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326404988 594806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.itravelguide.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ice-hotel-jukkasjarvi-church.jpg <- the hotel. < 1326404993 307930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so it's just their church.) < 1326405033 460218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: omg :DD < 1326405035 110730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a snow hotel in Finland. < 1326405042 50135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, are you saying finland... ok. < 1326405043 306875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less translucent. :/ < 1326405055 224681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.snowcastle.net/en/ < 1326405081 845132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do weddings and that sort of thing, much what you'd expect. < 1326405090 489793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mooz might've stayed there? < 1326405128 391317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have some ice in it, but judging from the photos not quite as much as at the ICEHOTEL. < 1326405217 378408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to go through Kiruna (twice, actually, since we need to get back too) around Easter, but skipped the ICE. I'm not sure how long it's open, anyway. < 1326405302 584579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they put it in a storage hall during the summer and keep it open in a sort of reduced mode. < 1326405309 131176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty pointless. < 1326405330 1072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently summer tourists have been so disappointed for not being able to go to the ice hotel. < 1326405411 316151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hotel says it's just ice that is stored, not the previous hotel < 1326405419 276007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so sets do not have isomorphisms? < 1326405426 1748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are set isomorphisms just bijective functions? < 1326405434 741810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.icehotel.com/uk/ICEHOTEL/Stay-at-ICEHOTEL/The-ice-factory/ "For the first time in history you can experience the sensation of ICEHOTEL even during summer. The world’s first and largest hotel built of snow and ice, will have a little sister in the summer of 2012. On the 8th of June a smaller version of the hotel opens; 120 square meters and will hold three art suites, an ICEBAR by ICEHOTEL and place for guests to try ice sculpting." < 1326405454 513599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, they're just bijections, so nobody calls them isomorphisms. < 1326405478 995365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sleep well in -5 °C" < 1326405480 204518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeees. < 1326405497 163141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah. < 1326405501 174930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is ICEHOTEL? A hotel built of ice and snow, would be the most common response. The first and the largest in the world, someone might add. But we have more thrilling stories to tell. Lean closer to your computer screen and we'll whisper them in your ear." < 1326405507 375968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: would it be technically incorrect to say so? aside from being laughed at? < 1326405555 303996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, finite strings aren't the same as sets. < 1326405556 918669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So are the beds made out of ice in ICEHOTEL? < 1326405561 509781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an implied structure there. < 1326405562 756930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yews. < 1326405565 308136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1326405571 816780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes but a set of finite strings is a -- oh I see :P < 1326405597 257638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, really? < 1326405610 50780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they have insulation on top. < 1326405616 499080 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "The bed you'll sleep on is made of blocks of ice, a wooden base and a mattress covered with reindeer skin." < 1326405663 818339 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I don't see the paradox in the Banach-Tarski Paradox? < 1326405663 974612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The reindeer skin is frozen, right? < 1326405664 834905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, it's made of ice. < 1326405673 393807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: bijections are the isomorphisms of the category Set. just because no one bothers to use the term when speaking solely about sets doesn't mean it's not true. < 1326405678 871612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: What, do your folk usually take a sphere apart and reassemble it into two spheres of the same size? < 1326405692 55035 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"paradox" is pretty much a meaningless word these days. < 1326405697 825960 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, we don't have enough spheres < 1326405715 296312 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its meaning seems to be approximately along the lines of "whoa, man". < 1326405724 350845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, those modern Banach-Tarskiers totally ruined everything. < 1326405726 4504 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's just Hilbert's Hotel all over again < 1326405727 573875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the day when... < 1326405735 474075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Not... really. < 1326405738 997851 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's been that way for a while. < 1326405749 293791 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilbret's hotel? Huh? < 1326405767 735384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it bad that I don't see the paradox in the Banach-Tarski Paradox? < 1326405779 895495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, it just means you understand what it actually means. < 1326405799 316902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I somewhat doubt that? < 1326405804 524382 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling Ngevd doesn't understand what it actually means, going by what it just said. < 1326405806 1095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1326405812 911449 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah stop making me delete what I'm writing then making me realise that I didn't need to delete it < 1326405831 64786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, people who understand Banach-Tarski don't generally say things like "Is it bad that I don't see the paradox in the Banach-Tarski Paradox?". < 1326405838 317907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or compare it to Hilbert's hotel. < 1326405853 881486 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My actual working definition of "paradox" is "an apparent contradiction". < 1326405861 211046 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which covers a lot, you must admit. < 1326405869 254145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: "A stronger form of the theorem implies that given any two "reasonable" solid objects (such as a small ball and a huge ball) — solid in the sense of the continuum — either one can be reassembled into the other. This is often stated colloquially as "a pea can be chopped up and reassembled into the Sun"." -- maybe this seems more appropriately paradoxical to you. < 1326405892 35825 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only when thinking about physics < 1326405904 603050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then not strictly paradoxical < 1326405912 553787 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, Hilbert's Hotel can be rearranged to, like, fit Hilbert's SUPERhotel. < 1326405935 208585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, it's more complex than just Hilbert's hotel; for one thing, it relies on the axiom of choice. < 1326405936 8372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I don't see why you think things become less paradoxical-sounding when you detach them from "physics". < 1326405940 565881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still geometry. < 1326405956 654145 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only finite subdivisions of the pea and the sun < 1326405960 838154 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not a fan of geometry.
< 1326405980 999678 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the hypothetically infinite subdivisions of the magic maths ball < 1326405981 536378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's only tangentially geometry, really. < 1326405982 207078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't be such a square! < 1326405992 288960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-measurable weirdness going on with the pieces. < 1326405993 586469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meat of the proof is actually some neat group and set theory. < 1326405994 432218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got some specifically warm sleeping bags, or some-such. < 1326405995 723619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1326406000 850057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted the wrong part of that line. < 1326406011 853298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard it's still a bit chilly, at least in the Finnish snowcastle. < 1326406021 499132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think the rub is that Ngevd probably wouldn't consider it any differently if the pieces /weren't/ all weird and non-measurable. < 1326406030 139574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also having a wedding there is probably a recipe for a bit... frozen performance on your wedding night, maybe? < 1326406038 149999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As opposed to the hypothetically infinite subdivisions of the magic maths ball < 1326406044 92569 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this explains everything, really : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFvokQUHh08 < 1326406044 248746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least he seems to be saying essentially "it's abstract so anything goes". Also it is maybe IMPOLITE to talk about him in the third person like this. < 1326406046 92268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does kind of imply that he gets that much. < 1326406052 649740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes this occurred. < 1326406064 416710 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ :/:/ # grr < 1326406075 348560 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to it, carry on talking about me behind my back in front of my back < 1326406091 532595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Ngevd guy sucks. < 1326406102 836224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what < 1326406106 1757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... < 1326406117 490823 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I need sleep, tomorrow is an important day for me. A day I do not want to be sleepy on < 1326406119 678207 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1326406121 174119 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-131.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1326406128 776527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's getting married. < 1326406138 428907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was just a very mellow ragepat. < 1326406146 234575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is going to try to execute the Banach-Tarski paradox in real life. < 1326406154 799271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be very deft with a scalpel. < 1326406155 510207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: With himself. < 1326406161 232209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then marry his clone. < 1326406165 526364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very deft. < 1326406166 237292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he'll fail, but then try again on Dec 21. < 1326406169 586868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good video < 1326406217 949253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good song < 1326406237 146612 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banach-tarski < 1326406346 402770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This university should probably do something about its orange problem. < 1326406350 549439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :En samling af de bedste film der har medvirket i Matematik Revyen. < 1326406380 719538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --danish 20 < 1326406386 616973 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: danish < 1326406389 245387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1326406397 344937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE UPVOTE SO < 1326406398 822571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE UPVOTE < 1326406404 898423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also poor Denmark, I don't think they've got an ice hotel at all. < 1326406432 12775 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How would you like a shiny point of IRC karma? < 1326406432 280875 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 20 < 1326406436 587154 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyderokolen pluminsiprobi kunstrømskate råde lantrassamenestilpa kavdelekand demotteriktenestpappe hallgasilkjordigst countraks artnerntor dovenestyrkivproduksst vittningen spektor kasjonensambasjon notektbifagaarken bilene bandringer mumsgud sykejenevningen konterstyrret < 1326406453 700073 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Close enough! < 1326406465 858061 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20 < 1326406467 644786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^ Is it, really. > 1326408685 944653 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326408686 83932 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1326408688 802256 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1326408690 595420 JOIN :#esoteric > 1326408691 112752 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326408692 668401 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1326408794 249549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1326408803 415640 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org spam < 1326408822 136474 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even get away with that Gregor < 1326408897 318354 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1326408899 339057 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filthy lies. < 1326408971 863911 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, i need a whatever-line extension so i can connect my bots that aren't part of any botnet" < 1326409003 570543 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BotNETs are typically, y'know, botNETs. < 1326409013 174668 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Visual Bot.NET < 1326409041 738791 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i'm listening to music that AnMaster/Vorpal would hate < 1326409045 103679 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C64 music :D) < 1326409062 769888 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, do you like chiptune stuff at all? < 1326409596 818586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww yeah chiptune < 1326409622 841264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my music sucks ass... i basically just used a midi composer and placed some random notes < 1326409685 140023 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at least pretending to work on a sega master system music driver < 1326409702 38826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1326409707 318160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna know what i was doing? < 1326409728 704812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling my mom about this jackie chan biography i have been reading while making a cup of coffee >.< < 1326409765 986410 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :multitasking < 1326410782 220186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok as long as you don't leave coffee stains < 1326410813 782779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: pixelsize=12 didn't (on the top row, anyway), now I already turned that thing off. < 1326410816 373420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love retro gaming anyway < 1326410831 751677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the best thing < 1326410841 332417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds us that modern gaming aint so great < 1326410873 758797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. reminds us about the joys of haptic feedback before touchscreens became so popular < 1326410941 308384 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the joys of indexed image palettes < 1326410982 684462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one pretty webpage doing palette-rotation animations with canvas. < 1326410988 423374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the joys of box shaped image restoration filters < 1326411071 224963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and video game magazines .. im sure they'll never be the same < 1326411143 583813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/?sound=0 in case someone's managed to miss it; though in Internet time it's SO OLD. < 1326411184 749512 :rdrp!~rdrp@46.6.98.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1326411189 156675 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1326411199 716183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i expected < 1326411213 193342 :rdrp!~rdrp@46.6.98.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery 73a < 1326411228 742507 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should say and the joys of pixel art.. too < 1326411253 853729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is badass < 1326411433 213372 :rdrp!~rdrp@46.6.98.23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1326411480 235795 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-183.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326411480 674945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-194-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326411509 802210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pictures are drawn by a guy who's done backgrounds for Loom and Secret of Monkey Island. < 1326411526 100608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... he is that kind of scum < 1326411588 671112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at super mario in a nes emulator once and saw a palette cycle on a golden colour... used on coins and question blocks < 1326412020 532151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon the pun < 1326412448 971031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6 < 1326412459 16444 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric