< 1326931297 488697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also get headaches when I see sine curves <-- needs an experiment to see if he sees sine curves when hungover < 1326931536 842388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if Haskell is listed as concatenative. < 1326931539 576101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1326931564 364574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1326931585 198054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A concatenative programming language is a point-free programming language in which all expressions denote functions and the juxtaposition of expressions denotes function composition.[1] The combination of a compositional semantics with a syntax that mirrors such a semantics makes concatenative languages highly amenable to algebraic manipulation.[2] < 1326931600 592964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at least partially concatenative < 1326931606 126540 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or allows the style naturally. < 1326931608 260194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :juxtaposition does _not_ denote function composition in haskell. < 1326931616 858179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1326931623 961422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does partially concatenative mean < 1326931632 587158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ... < 1326931635 403160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are bad at these < 1326931637 218179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :human terms < 1326931640 375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1326931648 136085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you a robot? < 1326931649 394507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly . chains are common, but still. < 1326931653 412320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes totally < 1326931660 791381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're just going to make up what partially concatenative means < 1326931670 845124 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes haskell is so partially concatenative it blows my mind < 1326931673 844769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1326931674 366911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :robot < 1326931674 963382 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind < 1326931716 307973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: meaning that it doesn't fit the definition exactly but the definition describes a natural capability of the language. < 1326931743 960164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case juxtaposition is a weird requirement. what makes . different from juxtaposition? < 1326931752 318335 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the . < 1326931752 495430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :concrete syntax < 1326931760 263882 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the only difference < 1326932985 734198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....dude < 1326932987 645569 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo 3 < 1326932989 618752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is going to be so good. < 1326932990 801722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinforced concrete syntax < 1326933156 346024 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326933209 402552 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1326935492 184362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diablo is a bit of fun < 1326935513 738746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think when it comes down to it it's all about fun < 1326936127 799419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: depends on what you're looking for < 1326936131 848301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several things to find in games. < 1326936170 31407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother and i got a wii about a week ago < 1326936171 287649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :socializing, a waste of time, this amorphous "fun" thing you describe, or challenge. < 1326936200 844175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly fun is an important aspect. < 1326936221 593311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was his idea.. one night "hey ive got this crazy idea.. do you wanna put in some money and we'll get a wii?" < 1326936225 453567 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though what makes something fun isn't quite clear and varies by person and what they're looking for. < 1326936238 981159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: his? < 1326936255 531491 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:42 < itidus21> my brother and i got a wii about a week ago < 1326936267 360582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326936275 940784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Vorpal. < 1326936282 2864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the honeymoon period of owning a wii is pretty special i admit < 1326936291 378166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first ever motion controller < 1326936292 952846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's the best? < 1326936299 417225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop gaming. < 1326936311 659517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wahts game < 1326936312 369475 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1326936329 48877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like.... you could buy this specialize piece of computer equipment with arbitrary limits and a non-general-purpose operating system. < 1326936332 46851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1326936340 655458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just buy that thing that you were going to get anyway, and just put some better stuff in it. < 1326936350 232787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: good question.. may the SOPA leave you in peace < 1326936379 141782 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ah he hacked it too and got a usb loader < 1326936388 819336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi monqy invent a portal chess piece I want to change the queen piece. < 1326936462 962020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and: while changing the queen piece, also counterbalance the affect that without the previous queen piece there is no way to capture the arrows. < 1326936466 669481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad truth i discovered is that most games according to the reviews have poor control < 1326936487 825091 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason I'd want a wii is to own super smash bros. brawl < 1326936497 329436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its a matter of finding the cream of the crop < 1326936527 749886 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one in there right mind plays brawl with a wiimote < 1326936537 835000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1326936575 989578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. nintendo peripherals are expensive :-s < 1326936594 895377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION owns a wireless gamecube controller < 1326936601 772001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no wii < 1326936613 775319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was $138 AUD with mario kart < 1326936649 780681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1 wiimote/nunchaku < 1326936739 500314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one net thing about the wiimote is that it doubles as a traditional old school controller < 1326936744 75980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neatt < 1326936828 989011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. im sidetracking < 1326936844 163376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what is partially monqy < 1326936847 706451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1326936856 652815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think good thing about diablo 2 (only one ive played) is the fun of tapping a button and watching your character bash someone < 1326936873 158224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1326936884 6283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a pretty common feature of games? < 1326936919 376508 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would gaming be without it < 1326936943 823468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326936950 86552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats where you guys come in... < 1326936962 79374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make games more interesting through use of mathematics < 1326936968 584672 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1326936970 869295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add portals < 1326936972 983412 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is better < 1326936979 601027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portals requires maths < 1326936982 692130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1326936986 41391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just portals man < 1326936989 32470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :portals need portals < 1326936998 101374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1326937002 614925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get ya nopw < 1326937003 957163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1326937012 675524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would probably be a pretty decent game designer. < 1326937067 536018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the " tapping a button and watching your character bash someone" mechanic is understandable in mathematical ways < 1326937083 525597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326937092 802384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one cares enough to bother. < 1326937097 578759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point it is possible to break it down and do magic < 1326937110 774644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you should watch pro gamers play starcraft2 < 1326937235 181077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uhhh < 1326937237 377222 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uhhh < 1326937251 206089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncb7lHNWbnU < 1326937296 140059 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case i meant that the design of the game can be changed through analysis < 1326937312 153226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose that a player can strategize around a simple button press through analysis also < 1326937377 565858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill look at it soon.. just gonna let some torrents finish first since i have firefox shut < 1326937447 934635 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really understand stuff as well as i would like to < 1326937481 847588 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the point where a game ceases to be an exercize in probability or algebra, and becomes fun < 1326937490 399407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it baffles me < 1326937539 119329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1326937558 226019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts as fun < 1326937568 546155 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you overthink it into an exercise of probability or algebra. < 1326937582 491951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've clearly been playing the wrong games, kallisti < 1326937614 642928 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I wasn't even saying "hey dude analyze the shit out of starcraft 2 with maths" < 1326937628 374357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying: hey dude, watch this, it's exciting and entertaining. < 1326938201 27275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1326938205 955671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.. my words didn't make sense < 1326938210 137812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... < 1326938230 456637 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you begin with a piece of paper and start writing down probabilities and algebras < 1326938246 392372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what point does that become a fun game, i wonder < 1326938252 294317 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326938265 505098 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried < 1326938284 42960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't suppose game design actually works that way < 1326938302 607571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i havent tried :P < 1326938346 939890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are games rules? < 1326938359 26107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps what i should say then is at what point does a set of rules become fun < 1326938374 953482 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326938445 622990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm definition of fun is slippery < 1326938465 181761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most games have rules, yes. < 1326938467 998390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of it. < 1326938500 5284 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could go so far as to say that maybe games are not actually fun but players only pretend they are fun < 1326938542 804201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326938547 501946 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they pretend to be having fun? < 1326938566 322248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to look cool < 1326938566 851401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess people are complicated. < 1326938622 548621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i am saying is that i am interested in real fun < 1326938640 950816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a contrived thing < 1326938680 488174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another question is whether games are fun at first, and then an annoying addiction < 1326938825 939939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been playing tatham's lightup puzzle for months < 1326938852 781641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am projecting really < 1326938863 920777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that is how WoW works < 1326938915 893247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every similar kind of puzzle it is pretty easy to rethink as a special case of NP-complete graph problems. < 1326938995 651416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you can get a long way by just looking at local conditions, but occasionally you get implications going around a large part of the board. < 1326939012 351315 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326939018 715407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was growing up i was kind of naive about how games actually operated < 1326939031 288112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hindsight i think i overestimated how deep they are < 1326939095 289469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that everyone must have an idealized view of the field they go into before they get there < 1326939112 369313 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1326939119 365760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think means it's sort of related to Sat(2) clauses. and then there are the particularly hard ones, where not even following a chain of implications gives you the answer, which is suppose corresponds to at least SAT(3). < 1326939143 834572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1326939180 706640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had no idea what computer science was like < 1326939194 399990 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326939217 269270 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a computer < 1326939231 523363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who computes < 1326939245 98862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1326939251 355557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just add ?banner=none hth < 1326939267 539626 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer is an abacus < 1326939284 297470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-?? < 1326939293 464856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abacus will soon attain sentience < 1326939304 357336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has to have a power source < 1326939327 602325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like a car will soon attain sentience < 1326939328 523382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _principle_ you can make a purely mechanical computer. < 1326939365 410714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this tic-tac-toe solver made by tinkertoy parts somewhere < 1326939413 611548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without electronical communication it becomes horribly slow < 1326939455 104130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the brain uses electricity, i think < 1326939468 598251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although chemistry as well) < 1326939528 93549 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural signaling is much slower than electronic computers, though < 1326939543 917641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first big let down in gaming was discovering that a combo in street fighter 2 was nothing more than a set of keypresses which temporarily froze the opponent < 1326939553 623829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you seem to be very confused by simple words. < 1326939563 615639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because electronics is so much more efficient, anything else becomes a novelty show. < 1326939565 533686 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 100 m/s < 1326939575 107364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes but still much faster than rolling balls :P < 1326939603 367361 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what's a simple < 1326939603 640515 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they fire at less than 1 KHz rate < 1326939610 265373 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not clear why the speed of computation should bring about conciousness < 1326939634 600734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why would they pretend to be having fun? <-- because they cannot find a way to do what they _really_ want to be doing. at least that's my excuse. perhaps itidus21's as well. < 1326939675 93860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard that complaint against hypnosis states that it may be just a sense of social obligation to act hypnotized < 1326939730 738041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably mention babbage lest someone thinks i'm forgetting him < 1326939776 316196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv is non interactive, and yet people like to watch games < 1326939777 445130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if electronics had been impossible, then perhaps babbage's computer would eventually have made economic sense < 1326939790 474667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said this, colliseum is not particularly interactive < 1326939794 652517 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like http://www.blikstein.com/paulo/projects/project_water.html < 1326939795 727965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like to attend < 1326939839 909526 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what i am talking about is whether spectating a game can be as fun as playing < 1326939881 995734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: you seem to be very confused by simple words. <-- he's been disconnected from half his brain and cannot understand our instructions for getting back to it. < 1326939896 403459 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Water Integrator was an early analog computer built in the Soviet Union in 1928.[citation needed] It functioned by careful manipulation of water through a room full of interconnected pipes and pumps. The water level in various chambers (with precision to fractions of a millimeter) represented stored numbers, and the rate of flow between them represented mathematical operations. This machine was capable of solving non-homogeneous dif < 1326939896 619423 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferential equations." < 1326939905 149684 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC_Computer < 1326939917 856284 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :models the national economy of the UK by pumping water around < 1326939945 755244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol kmc... < 1326939952 754843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get reminded of SOPA < 1326939959 927585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks wikiped < 1326939962 474829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know theres workarounds < 1326939968 836909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. i like the blackout < 1326939978 909483 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's comforting < 1326939986 24256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it's not clear why the speed of computation should bring about conciousness <-- maybe not, but imagine if humans thought a million times slower, they wouldn't get anything done and would be sitting ducks for predators < 1326940015 536273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe there is some other level to matter we are not really thinking about < 1326940015 864081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they wouldn't live long enough to develop it < 1326940033 829147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like we think about it as parts and wholes.. < 1326940038 949404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the parts and wholes < 1326940052 545603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're never going to find conciousness amid parts and wholes < 1326940079 869880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i saw on wikipedia this scifi novel "The Dragon's Egg" about a life form on a neutron star, based on nuclear physics rather than chemistry. and _they_ thought a million times _faster_ than humans. < 1326940093 44940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about this < 1326940094 950890 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cool < 1326940095 112491 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should mention.... conciousness would come under threat if we ever figured it out < 1326940106 868192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't WANT to figure it out...it .. would be very BAD < 1326940109 415427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1326940116 173433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be good < 1326940142 862072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... different < 1326940151 978976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the human explorers saw them develop civilization to a level past their own in a matter of days < 1326940184 259533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly do you think the military would do with this knowledge? < 1326940199 126021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: SPOILER ABOVE XD < 1326940210 985844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be exceedingly bad if science ever figured out conciousness < 1326940244 426225 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends i guess < 1326940249 783166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they would still be fundamentally constrained by limited resources < 1326940255 874225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they could perhaps operate more efficiently < 1326940256 69848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear bombs are great so long as noone uses them < 1326940266 331158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even that is an open question. consciousness is a lot of work. < 1326940272 360226 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the CIA tried to figure out mind control < 1326940279 873240 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by kidnapping people and experimenting on them < 1326940302 37371 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably didn't have the technology to do anything useful < 1326940310 73750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes MKULTRA < 1326940312 737398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1326940347 570107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have a book on cia mind control stuff that i haven't read < 1326940353 39634 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in order to be conscious, computers would have to employ many of the tricks we do. approximations on input data and pre-existing assumptions. < 1326940362 428420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think its probably written to sell books < 1326940366 942584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to spread truths < 1326940399 33143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well they were also just about a millimeter big :P < 1326940417 627621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed a reference apparently < 1326940534 616320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is eliezer yudkowski's story where humanity happens to find themselves living inside a simulation made by beings _several_ million times slower than humans < 1326940632 342051 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326940664 511439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been teaching someone Haskell. < 1326940667 340915 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been going pretty well < 1326940675 314621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the fourth person now. < 1326940691 465501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hear elliott screaming in my mind < 1326940697 120694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1326940702 490695 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you teach them < 1326940714 473583 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326940764 629809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that's what THEY have programmed you to think < 1326940767 458058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one went well, the second one kind of stopped happening, the third one didn't work at ALL (guy was basically too thick-headed to get anywhere), and the fourth one is going pretty well. < 1326940773 891586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back under rock < 1326940779 653035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I bombard them with information for hours, repeatedly until it makes sense. < 1326940788 696472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm a bad teacher. < 1326940800 548819 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you make them read anything? < 1326940808 6069 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest things to read. < 1326940814 35710 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they read them? < 1326940824 424038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy I'm helping right now has not, I think. < 1326940836 914914 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just been fucking around with list functions and stuff and learning that way. < 1326940840 846476 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience in #haskell is that a decent fraction of people will never read anything unless you refuse to help them otherwise < 1326940861 775009 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1326940873 127676 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gets partial application now. I explained algebraic data types a bit. I think he understands pattern matching but he appears to be unable to write the code for map so.... < 1326940876 857631 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something must not be understood < 1326941000 149420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway learning Haskell is something you have to do slowly. and teaching it has to be done patiently < 1326941006 210350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume gradually over time things will sink in. < 1326941019 782115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple things like precedence of operators and function application seems to throw him off, no matter how many times I explain how it works. < 1326941065 162534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :third attempt at teaching was TERRIBLE < 1326941069 804887 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is basically lost to C++ < 1326941182 758078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick with haskell is that mathematics has to be learned simultaneously < 1326941191 209781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, not really. < 1326941198 995518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't learned much math at all while learning Haskell. < 1326941212 361816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did you go in knowing much? < 1326941217 416478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just recently some very basic category theory. < 1326941222 519712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: eh, no. :P < 1326941234 15970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count college-level math. < 1326941239 126091 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :undergraduate stuff. < 1326941253 939413 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in imperative languages all you need to know is sequence, selection, iteration < 1326941254 877847 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 2 3s < 1326941265 906764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder haskell is trouble < 1326941278 15836 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus no............................................ < 1326941299 17225 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, i think everything I have seen you say about Haskell is 100% wrong < 1326941326 169970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not here for the same reasons as anyone else in here < 1326941333 570045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sort of a misfit < 1326941341 408792 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok.. not claiming im about to run away, just saying < 1326941361 426807 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came here expecting to find BASIC clones :P < 1326941380 330666 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you don't belong < 1326941395 877038 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering why you continue to make claims about Haskell in particular < 1326941407 174559 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of other stuff to talk about < 1326941407 764678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is esoteric < 1326941419 961450 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus can only make claims about things he both knows the existence of and doesn't know anything about < 1326941434 371197 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be an esolang called Haskell < 1326941436 405662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows haskell exists but he doesn't know anything about it. perfect < 1326941442 63041 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has all the properties uninformed people think Haskell has < 1326941456 56764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the primary topic of esolangs so one can safely assume it is esoteric >:) < 1326941482 462376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the staple language perhaps < 1326941499 824455 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do any IO in my Haskell you are required to type in a proof of the Yoneda Lemma < 1326941509 398452 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it will memoize all functions < 1326941533 739990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i admit its not esoteric, but it is the non-esoteric home base of esoteric languages < 1326941543 319508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make your haskell, first you must invent a topos in which nothing ever needs to be recalculated < 1326941570 316187 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what happens in your minds when you hear function < 1326941574 530418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the key word < 1326941582 140394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happens does not happen for me < 1326941594 810278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: they're still small bell sound and then we start salivating. or was that with monad. < 1326941600 540499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: although I am prone to this myself, it is oftentimes better to not make claims about things you don't understand in the slightest degree. < 1326941610 856895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me i see 2 things..... i see (+ 2 3) ... i see add(2,3) < 1326941642 682738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i came here expecting to find BASIC clones :P <-- have you looked at FORTE? :D < 1326941645 709445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can also vaguely concieve that addition function is a manifold < 1326941679 940571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as function means in lambda calculus.. it doesn't seem to fit any of my existing concepts of function < 1326941686 758197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see < 1326941695 268790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the course number for my discrete math class was 1234. < 1326941714 759532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they're still/there's this/ < 1326941721 480461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ (+ 2)) and add(add(2) .. the second one doesn't work at all :-s < 1326941722 296444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck did i mistype that bad < 1326941735 953252 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok they both don't work < 1326941738 644818 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you have the wrong number of arguments < 1326941747 829049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+ (+ 2)) < 1326941748 533352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1326941750 294823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: unless you have a Num instance for functions of course. :> < 1326941751 879524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now??? < 1326941758 423846 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lambdabot does < 1326941759 219807 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how to curry 2 + 3 < 1326941760 853273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1326941763 784844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got lost < 1326941770 566218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't curry 2 + 3 < 1326941771 124881 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, as ((add 2) 3) < 1326941772 391095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you curry + < 1326941775 37944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326941775 279921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (+2) 3) < 1326941776 973594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that too :P < 1326941795 495009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a mistake .. imaginig it as (+ (+ 2)) < 1326941798 727709 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, assuming that's Haskell syntax, you're using some special Haskell features there < 1326941813 798014 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to understand if you stick to a more regular syntax like scheme < 1326941840 288784 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define add (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (+ x y)))) < 1326941842 436266 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((add 2) 3) < 1326941866 135902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get it insisted that lambda has no types < 1326941875 579156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e?H < 1326941887 682596 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are typed lambda calculi and untyped lambda calculi < 1326941889 211306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important lambda < 1326941896 934695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with the paradox < 1326941897 892956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which important lambda < 1326941901 419466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which paradox < 1326941913 75681 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pearadox < 1326941916 781195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really sure < 1326941919 844989 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair of docs < 1326941921 834692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair'a'dox < 1326941926 308007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*docks < 1326941926 470001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pear pear pear pear pear < 1326941938 540318 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get told its invalid to use analogies on untyped lambda calc < 1326941958 714544 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by whom < 1326941967 768521 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno.. noone :D < 1326941972 704734 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1326941975 309257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :noone < 1326941976 125278 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not making any sense at all < 1326941976 917903 :noone!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1326941977 731594 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know < 1326942004 628820 :noone!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :Guest70053 < 1326942004 964930 :Guest70053!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: itidus21 berates himself with his Haskell wisdom < 1326942009 192072 :Guest70053!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :kallisti < 1326942089 404989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something which just magically makes sense one day like a foreign language? < 1326942098 230154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not magically < 1326942105 106293 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how foreign languages work either < 1326942125 87509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be difficult to explain how learning works, though it typically happens gradually as you understand small pieces of the whole thing < 1326942131 677573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic is a troublesome word < 1326942145 916274 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say, unconciously :D < 1326942153 965650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly directed effort < 1326942156 602302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand something. < 1326942196 929508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much < 1326942201 999896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or rather < 1326942206 832730 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't necessarily have to be a lot of effort < 1326942213 302326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some < 1326942213 869869 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what you're learning < 1326942215 70733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some :P < 1326942221 565221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Forte < 1326942231 311432 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leksah is taking forever to to find out information about packages < 1326942239 925419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning the basics of Haskell for example was fairly simple. I just leisurely read some material about it and it all pretty much made sense < 1326942245 226796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did struggle with monads for a bit however. < 1326942250 219315 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, it's taking over an hour < 1326942271 386577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i was young the first time i could read a page in a book. it was a sesame street book, something about grover < 1326942282 694598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't even know how I learned perl... < 1326942284 332671 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmosis. < 1326942319 687862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just massread documentation and then attempted to write some simple programs. < 1326942334 322518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then referred to documentation when something unexpected happened, repeat. < 1326942337 462496 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has great documentation. < 1326942337 624344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think part of learning language is like solving a jigsaw puzzle < 1326942346 302355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/jigsaw/crossword < 1326942369 662677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one efficiency of language is that one can presume each statement is correct. < 1326942377 921498 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1326942381 717119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one can infer from this that each word usage in language is correct < 1326942400 277439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you are reading a book.. you can infer that the grammar is more or less perfect < 1326942406 527600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the word usage is more or less perfect < 1326942406 802732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1326942416 14941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if you're new to these things that's a decent approximation < 1326942416 176642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just have to figure out why < 1326942433 313798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and certainly program examples in textbooks are most likely going to be correct < 1326942437 540059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not necessarily optimal < 1326942454 372785 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one sense < 1326942458 972261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many senses of optimal. < 1326942463 83616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1326942488 848667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :performance, clarity, elegance, ease of writing, ease of understanding. < 1326942492 278595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for examples < 1326942503 234535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ease of understanding could be clarity actually < 1326942542 658911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the world there is information.... so there is a challenge of mapping a language to a piece of information < 1326942557 144339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.... < 1326942570 832251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases it is necessary to invent words < 1326942575 349467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or loan them < 1326942588 517020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yes I am having trouble mapping your words to pieces of information < 1326942594 63748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often appear meaningless. < 1326942605 136042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is indeed a problem I face. :P < 1326942610 571580 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like apples exist in the universe as information < 1326942623 471450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliciousness information. < 1326942637 957105 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burden is on language to find a way to explain them < 1326942655 896349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this world view i am describing i know it isn't a proper one though < 1326942705 684210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, improper indeed! obscene displays for scoundrels. < 1326942727 617998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, that means that someone who is learning a language can assume that the words refer to some information the reader intuitively would understand < 1326942736 728744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for non technical writing < 1326942799 262941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. The color of the apple is %$%$%. < 1326942824 692815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The color of the grass is %$%$%. < 1326942842 146759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles on over that way... ----> < 1326942852 715287 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we know that %$%$%. means green < 1326942889 490802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what if information is light < 1326942891 600785 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and words are like < 1326942892 656196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :prisms < 1326942905 922939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have heard it said that all things are temporary < 1326942911 701443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2apple < 1326942917 268111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1326942923 994110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3apple < 1326942924 180659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1326942925 939247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326942945 965364 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, we are guaranteed to be more temporary than the world :D < 1326942950 351964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi fix portal chess < 1326942960 229836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like prisms. < 1326942980 542179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you should at this point be well-versed in all the rules) < 1326942986 822776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hey there are some singularitarians who want to argue that < 1326942994 988690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: try flexihexadodecahylomorphisms instead, hth < 1326942999 811503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1326943000 869828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1326943003 708564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopeah < 1326943012 729828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nople < 1326943013 648559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ahhh shit... i think you mentioned this to me.. deja vu < 1326943013 810347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1326943023 735678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unconcious plagiarism < 1326943031 618325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best plagiarism < 1326943048 319018 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is a better queen unit < 1326943050 432380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my gam < 1326943065 433237 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping in mind that, if prisms are removed, there is no way to capture arrows via projectiles. < 1326943146 993333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: a time fly < 1326943155 590401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well known to like arrows < 1326943198 651383 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i worry you indulge my rants too much < 1326943208 269001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could, like, stop time in some direction, making arrows vulnerable in the _next_ round < 1326943219 959546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prevent anything else from moving < 1326943245 511829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1326943246 934068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1326943248 334634 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1326943250 907196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that. < 1326943260 90769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put things in perspective.. my doctor today says to me.. isn't it difficult with no income? and.. as you probably heard your mom saw a psychiatrist.. if you want i can get him to see you "i'll definitely think about it" < 1326943263 497144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need to add an entirely new mindfuck element to the game < 1326943294 499446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, another suggestion is the Bore. < 1326943297 137493 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking less for pieces that do cool tricks, and more for pieces that balance out the game as a whole. < 1326943313 36698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is somewhat balanced, but I feel something is missing. < 1326943329 383102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a Bore is next to a piece for two rounds, that piece dies. because it's that boring. < 1326943331 762428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just got another idea < 1326943335 186457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube chess < 1326943342 532832 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1326943345 645741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each move... is represented by a video submission < 1326943348 724371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mustn't move between the rounds, though. < 1326943375 179779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first workings of the game I had a piece that could swap places with any other piece < 1326943378 872625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably not very good though < 1326943455 739678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the game take place? < 1326943461 534177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a chess board < 1326943463 367376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i know chess takes place on a grassy field < 1326943465 713465 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the starting configuration is the same as in chess. < 1326943470 672718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1326943472 47215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1326943476 792737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. definitely grass < 1326943485 15992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh this game is purely abstract < 1326943486 719353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like chess) < 1326943489 563566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be a desert < 1326943498 293325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the green green grass of doom < 1326943522 637417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how much do you know about portal chess, and how interested are you in suggesting new ideas? :? < 1326943554 331844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must certainly be totally interested < 1326943563 864121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1326943566 506828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not good at abstract < 1326943576 799867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm shocked and offended < 1326943577 817078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain just doesn't work that way < 1326943608 121361 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://z7.comicostrich.com/ Z7 is broken < 1326943620 148287 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it broken in protest? < 1326943620 587611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i'm sorry, i'm trying to preserve the little personal space i have left in this world. < 1326943682 586276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i have discovered, means _not_ letting other people define what i'm supposed to do, and _especially_ not if they're taking it for granted. < 1326943698 796861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see. < 1326943705 332650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the intrusion then. < 1326943737 995679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _especially_ not if they're about to get diagnosed cancer. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1326943745 631949 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1326943747 327967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :who me? < 1326943751 151520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last part hopefully doesn't apply to you.) < 1326943753 675963 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION am great confused. < 1326943767 779743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cancer thing is how it would lead to guilty obligation to you < 1326943782 388296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: precisely. which is what happened to me, last friday. < 1326943792 257403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possible solution to the arrow problem is to make pawns more effective at... normal capture < 1326943796 962184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1326943812 931707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the only normally capturing units are pawns and kings. :P < 1326943813 716422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i cannot bear to see the person again. < 1326943846 476246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ideal solution is email them a screenshot of your desktop < 1326943857 484323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1326943860 683215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have email. < 1326943861 945995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres probably unforseen downsides < 1326943891 741709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never actually used the email a chat screenshot solution < 1326943964 984600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have thought about it < 1326943988 474650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a really bad idea < 1326944031 634692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man the bishop is such a good piece in chess. < 1326944036 620902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favorites. < 1326944047 536647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong piece early and mid game for board control. < 1326944097 135372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you know one way would be to make the queen completely like in chess, but somehow ironically the weakest piece. < 1326944117 16499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be impressively difficult to accomplish < 1326944123 996560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regular queen would be excellent in this game. < 1326944137 622597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my current prism idea mimics the queen strategically. < 1326944170 797987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it's a very powerful piece with an important purpose, but is incredibly useless until the later game. < 1326944173 829630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well... < 1326944178 273147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't predict strategy but < 1326944192 397135 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more vulnerable to attack than other pieces. < 1326944224 323114 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows disregard who initiated a projectile. they are completely immune to the effects < 1326944227 324835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS < 1326944245 338043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prism is inbetween the arrow and the cannon along the projectile's path < 1326944278 630847 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, in exchange < 1326944293 659342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prism does not have the same immunity. it can be captured by enemy projectiles. < 1326944325 809483 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I feel it's fundamentally broken in some way... which will probably be revealed through actual gameplay. < 1326944348 35803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the arrow, portal, cannon pieces are pretty solid I feel. they don't need too much tweaking. < 1326944360 405438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one obvious brokenness is that if you lose your prism, your opponent's arrows become invincible... < 1326944371 919975 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the most effective means of capture, yes. < 1326944377 696345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1326944390 414802 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot I gave arrows the ability to capture as well. :> maybe I should have that. < 1326944403 301035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can move like bishops, but cannot capture like bishops < 1326944414 396185 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they may move or capture one space in any cardinal direction < 1326944420 258538 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may s/or capture// < 1326944469 607052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cardinal movement rule is added to facillitate loop shenanigans. :> < 1326944482 113704 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that both of your arrows can be on the same grid color. < 1326944489 152822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can "sidestep" over into the other color. < 1326944525 297656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh so there is ordinary capture in addition to projectiles, and arrows are not immune to that? < 1326944703 551579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1326944710 269417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not any really strong normal capturing pieces. < 1326944719 847489 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pawns. kings. maybe arrows but I think that will be broken. < 1326944744 546972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how a strong capturing piece would change the dynamic of the game. < 1326944788 38626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1326944791 622534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting thought < 1326944795 635668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queen pieces < 1326944797 684362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be portals < 1326944798 621447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prism - queen, portal - bishop, knight/rook - arrow/what? < 1326944803 863319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected to your opponents queen piece. < 1326944805 381320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1326944825 463888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cannon < 1326944827 593197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two rooks. upside down rook is DCannon and normal rook is CCannon < 1326944836 729938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both cannons pieces but one fires diagonally and one fires cardinally < 1326944848 294732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1326944850 267439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DCannons start along the main diagonal of the board. < 1326944853 91373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1326944855 591130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on opposite ends < 1326944906 21952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that first move you've been discussing is one DCannon projectiling the other? < 1326944947 261542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I realized it was not a viable move though < 1326944954 837099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the opening is still viable < 1326944965 402935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subsequent capture that becomes available is ultimately not a good tradeoff by any means < 1326945017 197588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps to maintain the diagonal symmetry I should swap the king-queen pair of one side of the < 1326945022 490232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :board < 1326945069 962205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, _either_ cannon can capture the opponent's DCannon, i assume < 1326945086 802633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1326945089 488578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since they don't move, there's no difference in result < 1326945102 42212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they can move, but movement isn't really their thing. :P < 1326945113 246020 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they move as kings. < 1326945141 478229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this is pretty balanced. < 1326945142 573400 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweep enemies down like fist of drunken god < 1326945152 98121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they would become major offensive pieces < 1326945164 313729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead the idea is to have arrows act indirectly through cannons < 1326945186 278030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the cannon remains tucked away. though reposition could be a smart tactical choice < 1326945315 553437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have been focusing on that opening quite a bit in my reasoning about how the game will play out < 1326945323 379175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems prone to mirroring on both sides. < 1326945360 781125 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the dcannons should not be diagonally across the board from each other. :P < 1326945422 520259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead white could have his dcannon on the major diagonal, and black's could be on the minor diagonal. < 1326945457 104036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :establishing normal chess-like symmetry < 1326945546 680128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently thinking about how insane the arrow-push rule would be < 1326945561 320014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a moving array is allowed to "push" friendly pieces in front of it when moving. < 1326945571 862180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....if I extended the rule to arbitrary chains of pieces in front of the arrow < 1326945577 587136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could, instead of having a castling rule < 1326945600 161728 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift your entire row of pieces over by one square, provided you moved something else out of the way. < 1326945686 231072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the arrow already has a pretty good purpose. < 1326945694 775287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't need more things he can do. :P < 1326945806 517254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having the queen be a portal that corresponds to the opponent's queen would be awesome. < 1326945830 860741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there is still a fairly unstoppable arrow. the only real counter to an arrow is another arrow, which encourages more mirroring. < 1326946124 657734 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1326946717 838497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possibility < 1326946762 838219 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the c-cannon could be able to capture arrows < 1326946766 5118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the d-cannon is not < 1326946799 97456 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The d-cannon can only dapture. < 1326946808 641602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....yes < 1326946811 136778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1326946817 476706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where dapture means "not capture" < 1326946881 411215 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1326946889 149653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a daptable < 1326946966 252058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit arrows < 1326946972 941252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being so difficult to remove from the board. < 1326947690 922443 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1326947706 75349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think instead of having portals explode when there sister portal is captured < 1326947713 148261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have them become... normal capturing pieces. < 1326947737 764164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a pawn reaches the other end of the board it can then be promoted into a portal, and reactivate the other one if it's still present. < 1326947762 484462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...I have no clue what happens when you promote a portal with two portals already) < 1326947792 591116 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I pretty tempted to say no promotion rule. < 1326947797 163004 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm < 1326947833 820079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah I see the flaw I've been making < 1326947852 950903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been thinking that arrows are these unstoppable brutes < 1326947855 63778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1326947870 451836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't consider creative usage of portals. < 1326947879 433038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has many possible creative usages. < 1326947902 549657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should be thinking more in terms of how portals affect strategy, and focusing less on arrows. < 1326948047 813614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 do you think it's a good idea to use Unicode when displaying the text board for my portal chess server? I think it would be helpful for indicating things like piece directions. < 1326948047 975463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1326948367 929892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'monochrom: at a crossroad you meet an angel (always tells the truth) or demon (always lies). the crossroad gives you two choices of roads, one to heaven, one to hell, and only the angel or demon knows which is which. if you ask "how would you answer if I asked 'what is a monad?'", what will happen?' < 1326948383 699732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://contemplatecode.blogspot.com/2012/01/haskell-weekly-news-issue-211.html is back. < 1326949124 968623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: .........wow < 1326949133 936094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a complicated fucking question < 1326949140 964110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1326949197 499080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the demon will start talking about burritos, and the angel will talk about monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1326949227 555869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i doubt your demon conclusion. < 1326949242 317714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks too plausibly truthful. < 1326949281 645937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's possible it would answer with a _different_ lie if asked 'what is a monad?' < 1326949391 453337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the premise seems unrelated to the question. < 1326949405 733603 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not being asked to deduct which road is the correct one < 1326949412 898126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't even seem to be a riddle < 1326949413 777258 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1326949414 481682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1326949441 766074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe zen < 1326949655 366820 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the angel would answer: truthfully < 1326949659 23594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the demon would answer: truthfully < 1326949667 678070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1326949749 748579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you appear to be having trouble with nested hypotheticals. < 1326949818 160764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1326949848 434651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah. < 1326949852 932301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1326949863 154319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are asking them what would happen if you asked that < 1326949881 100145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they would be describe things about what they would say < 1326949887 6821 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically what they would say to the hypothetical question < 1326949899 77588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1326949939 457337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "...ah." meant i got it, btw. < 1326949950 545711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1326949957 910489 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oh/...ah/ < 1326949985 121724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1326949985 484930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should interpret things more literally. < 1326949989 113079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hi friend < 1326949995 625805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am question asked. < 1326950000 579633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :asked when speak < 1326950009 600461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Hello. What question? < 1326950010 119476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1326950014 517102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1326950024 11645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1326950032 895934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that the lambdabot is have < 1326950043 480869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1326950044 9734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti said 33m 16s ago: do you think it's a good idea to use Unicode when displaying the text board for my portal chess server? I think it would be helpful for indicating things like piece < 1326950044 171682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :directions. < 1326950068 763802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say no. < 1326950107 938192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then devising a visually helpful ASCII board will be pretty challenging < 1326950123 547388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there are multiple pieces with directionality < 1326950134 801356 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still could put directions, using < > ^ v if those are the only ones < 1326950145 453048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I counted 21 distinct piece states < 1326950151 739657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: diagonal is needed as well < 1326950152 979370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use compass direction, numbers, etc < 1326950155 726977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiple pieces use directions < 1326950166 127574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compass direction names could be good, yes. < 1326950185 914054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a list of all the states of all pieces please? I would like to see it < 1326950234 219490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What symmetry do you use, mirror (as in chess) or rotation (as in shogi)? < 1326950247 9724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by that. < 1326950258 523585 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/NPPG < 1326950264 560071 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the Direction and PieceInfo data types < 1326950280 383559 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the Prism piece is subject to change, it may also have a direction < 1326950358 892689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 8 + 8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 < 1326950359 592775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21 < 1326950364 575304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you could either use absolute directions, or directions relative to the player. < 1326950390 119783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use directions relative to the player, you need to know what symmetry you use. < 1326950396 356039 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably absolute directions would be better here < 1326950398 431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I've used absolute directions, with the board oriented as in a standard chess diagram < 1326950404 250341 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :black is on the north side, white is on the south side. < 1326950443 371064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes. What I mean, is that, in chess, the queens are on the same file, the kings are on the same file. In shogi, the flying chariot is in the file of the opponent's angled mover, and vice versa. < 1326950477 325572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1326950481 554596 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about that actually < 1326950494 797330 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do rotation like shogi then < 1326950519 204384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference would be in opening moves. < 1326950539 167288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rotation as in shogi, the d-cannons of both players start on the major diagonal < 1326950552 741336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mirror symmetry white would have the major diagonal, and black would have the minor. < 1326950563 343483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirNotation North = "N"; dirNotation Northeast = "NE"; ... notation Pawn = "P"; notation (Arrow x) = dirNotation x; notation (Portal x) = 'X' : dirNotation x; notation Prism = "PR"; notation DCannon = "DC"; notation CCannon = "CC"; notation King = "K"; < 1326950566 722506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that work? < 1326950595 687740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fine, though annoying to read < 1326950601 677165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a UTF-8 option would be good. < 1326950613 292990 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then change to lowercase for second player) < 1326950638 791909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, you could have an option, for clients supporting UTF-8 (and having the relevant fonts installed), but allow plain ASCII as well < 1326950647 962262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1326950766 889902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was also thinking ANSI color would be good, though having all of these options will quickly become tiresome to implement < 1326950818 100274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, just implement plain ASCII mode, and then implement a graphical interface separately. < 1326950840 705588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things can be added later if wanted (someone could send patches if they want, or whatever it is) < 1326950856 342609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you mean ASCII line mode/ < 1326950865 604106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was envisioning < 1326950879 279534 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just ASCII line mode will do < 1326950972 381389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think having a nice terminal interface would be good too. < 1326951006 596056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be implemented as a second program however. < 1326951013 271935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1326952443 302898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I may also look into generalizing some of the code to work with many different kinds of pieces < 1326952462 322883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't really make use of that. < 1326954121 772174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1326954470 447003 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think Pure BF is really equivalent to brainfuck, because Pure BF is not interactive < 1326954489 391458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF/Implementation < 1326954768 159632 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The download is at the bottom of the article.) < 1326956293 423252 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP < 1326956666 736022 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1326956666 937510 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1326956666 937655 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1326956797 163598 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1326956832 610792 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1326958333 959921 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ < 1326959434 661176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made up a joke about naming the Chinese children: The parents throw all of their cutlery down the stairs, and however noise it makes is the name of their children. < 1326960209 116981 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know why my apparently very simple libbfd example isn't working? http://hpaste.org/56653 < 1326960394 910186 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1326960597 50136 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1326960647 511571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :now open for Americans to liberate | Get your esoil and esoline here! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326960665 420432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric now open for Americans to liberate | Get your esoil and esoline here! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326960725 815911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric now open for Americans to liberate | Get your esoil and esoline here! | Bow to the glorious optators! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1326960745 358739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think Pure BF is different than brainfuck because Pure BF is not interactive? < 1326960772 996233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can make it interactive enough if you assume laziness < 1326960832 22247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lazy-k's bf interpreter presumably does < 1326960834 560830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, you can fake it, and have Lazy I/O; < 1326960857 607602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, Pure BF is not really interactive, even if you can make it so, doing somehow. < 1326960899 423309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1326960900 760279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an implementation (it is on the wiki) so you can see how it worked < 1326960918 849688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used: type Tape = Sum Integer -> Word8; < 1326960922 325259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type World = ([Word8], [Word8]); < 1326961053 986892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it look like correctly to you? It has "interpret" function which is based on lazy I/O < 1326961069 533991 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is not necessarily the same as brianfuck. < 1326961077 59792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/brianfuck/brainfuck/ < 1326961168 588074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The action=raw function in MediaWiki, and the way that
 works in MediaWiki, you can make a wiki article which is also a valid Haskell program.
< 1326961186 835905 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: one must call bfd_check_format after opening the bfd
< 1326961196 757294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 255 :: Word8
< 1326961197 865972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: Enum.succ{Word8}: tried to take `succ' of maxBound
< 1326961205 152246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 255 + 1 :: Word8
< 1326961206 39709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1326961225 10236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i believe Word8 is defined to do arithmetic (mod 256)
< 1326961236 346691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to change the program then
< 1326961269 639300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The download link just downloads the raw copy of the wiki page
< 1326961366 964385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which happens to be a valid literate Haskell program.
< 1326961480 734610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens to be?
< 1326961497 824568 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I wrote it that way.
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< 1326977471 922794 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone there?
< 1326977515 361767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1326977532 138977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot of people, but most of them are probably not paying attention
< 1326977590 752248 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here knows Lament or his/her language Prelude?
< 1326977672 863657 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking for the Draft specification of prelude, but the link on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prelude leads to a server that is down.
< 1326977681 779719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ben__: hmm, interesting
< 1326977691 476007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is a regular here, but hasn't actually spoken for ages
< 1326977738 744865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, I don't have a copy of that file saved; someone else might
< 1326977748 871221 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks anyways :)
< 1326977787 373175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, found an archived copy: http://web.archive.org/web/20060504072859/http://z3.ca/~lament/prelude.txt
< 1326977788 459362 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://z3.ca/~lament/prelude.txt
< 1326977804 852429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the newest version though
< 1326977870 106410 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that version says basically the same as the wiki page at esolangs.org
< 1326977882 59791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1326977914 69686 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Prelude&diff=7938&oldid=6758 and this diff suggests that the newest prelude.txt would be pretty much identical
< 1326977914 234990 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... some statements are really ambiguous
< 1326977917 560131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is typically the best place to find links to esolang information
< 1326977928 768127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ben__: you can look at an interpreter to figure out what the statemetns should mean
< 1326978000 430659 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did; it took us quite a while to refactor it into a readable format... but the implementation makes a number of assumptions that aren't in the language specification itself and we're trying to find out if those were intended
< 1326978022 634527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1326978027 535968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be hard to know what's intended in a specification
< 1326978040 171318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially where esolangs are concerned, the author's answer is often "I didn't think of that"
< 1326978050 395397 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1326978097 366990 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you happen to know if Lament was the one who wrote the interpreter?
< 1326978106 684780 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then we can just assume that's what he meant :)
< 1326978120 899780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although it seems possible
< 1326978127 200133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name in the interpreter? often there is
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< 1326978132 778183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I'm Alex Smith, and wrote bf2pre, the compiler
< 1326978137 807349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for BF into Prelude
< 1326978142 833673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my name's on it to make that clear
< 1326978245 919097 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you're the one who wrote the interpreter (prelude.c) we're looking at
< 1326978285 88189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, the Python interp was written by lament
< 1326978291 891754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, seems I wrote the C interp
< 1326978320 751920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go, if you want author's intent: http://web.archive.org/web/20060504072747/http://z3.ca/~lament/prelude.py
< 1326978341 64672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the two interps are identical, I based mine on the spec
< 1326978362 216670 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) thanks
< 1326978392 915188 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad the original server seems to have disappeared; quite a few pages on esolangs.org link to it
< 1326978409 68152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a tendency to happen with esolangs
< 1326978421 599713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the Esolang fileserver was for, but it's also disappeared in the sense that nobody writes to it any more
< 1326978424 607142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can still be read just fine)
< 1326978447 549267 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, these languages are quite interesting
< 1326978460 244804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the languages are mostly documented on the wiki
< 1326978526 165479 :Ben__!83ae5ab9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.174.90.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on a case study in a class on languages and automatons(/automata?) for which everyone uses esolangs.org pretty much exclusively
< 1326979805 948726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hoy I just saw your name.
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< 1326979826 670954 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... okay?
< 1326979834 159233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Keijo Heljanko is presenting some genome data visualization thing.
< 1326979861 681998 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right now, and you're IRC'ing from there or something? :-D
< 1326979868 601826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you've done some programmering there. Unless you have a same-named person.
< 1326979871 638350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1326979878 922290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still speaking, in fact.
< 1326979891 29903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to forget to mention it.
< 1326979912 424777 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've programmered the Aalto parts of it.
< 1326979927 723012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am in the process of programmering related things.
< 1326979985 304531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this "TIK-päivä". Our speech recog demo is here, and techically one conference poster of mine was supposed to also, but I think they ran out of poster boards.
< 1326980025 4840 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that it's that Day thing.
< 1326980052 851223 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I recall him mentioning that he was going to talk about it.
< 1326980190 429032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's also advertising his cloud computing course and summer trainee positions. :p
< 1326980208 790370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this during a ten-minute thing.
< 1326980208 952269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is typical. :-P
< 1326980221 616423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was a photo of Triton.
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< 1326980380 318177 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1326980518 951880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next: Tomi Janhunen and the classroom schedule automation thing that I almost was involved in. (Back in 2007 I applied to both CIS and TCS lab summer trainee programs; both said yes; that would've been the TCS option.)
< 1326980599 734264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might've applied to that one too, can't remember how it worked.
< 1326980605 733297 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ended up under Keijo anyway.
< 1326980664 851974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if TCS asked what I wanted, at least back then, I think they just told me "this is what we'd have for you".
< 1326980696 939534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall the topics were all visible beforehand, at least.
< 1326980704 859959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if one had to be picked on the application.
< 1326980738 28829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there was a list.
< 1326980767 712518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year's topics for ICS should be out any day now, or so I've heard.
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< 1326981914 707333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play dwarf fortress until my power goes out, then do homework
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< 1326984291 261863 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-185-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man
< 1326984316 240133 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-185-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :A professor proposing a thesis is asking me to explain my python programming that I claim on my resume
< 1326984323 579289 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-185-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all my python programming is esolangs!
< 1326984327 544323 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-185-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah!
< 1326984545 726076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey here's also a poster with your name on it.
< 1326984551 545755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You is famous.
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< 1326984645 218154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some values of.)
< 1326985048 803132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably the one that's typically hanging outside my office. :-P
< 1326985082 564964 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it also says Siert on it in which case it's the one from the second floor.
< 1326985113 374849 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite the poster boy.
< 1326985286 64673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1326986371 357322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inside the speaking place now so can't check.
< 1326986391 894907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had 2+3 people from Aalto+CSC unless I misremember.
< 1326986427 693766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should plant *my* poster on top of yours, for revenge, I think.
< 1326986489 488104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit late now that all the "look at posters" breaks are over, except the one before sauna, and I don't think people will be too interested at posters at that time.
< 1326986516 465153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, at least I get to go home in an hour.
< 1326988322 674127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1326988337 423319 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1326988415 179095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's this channel's take on achievements being added to Visual Studio?
< 1326988424 67806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally it was a joke at Reddit, but Microsoft decided to run with it
< 1326988430 20459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!?
< 1326988453 541252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good reaction
< 1326988466 525274 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "Global Greeter: you have made a 'Hello, World!' program!"
< 1326988468 83983 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1326988491 637356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's along the lines of "create a class with a ten-level-deep inheritance hierarchy"
< 1326988503 998409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "build a project that takes over 10 minutes to build"
< 1326988589 956846 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'd just get in the way of people who actually have a need to use Visual Studio
< 1326988601 289153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's optional
< 1326988603 179246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension
< 1326988627 421092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be boring to the people who like achievements?
< 1326988631 435472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, people who have a need to use Visual Studio, they have /Visual Studio/ to get in their way
< 1326988636 713451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: who knows
< 1326988670 434110 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Studio has one of the best XSLT editors I've come across, and I've came across around three.
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< 1326988892 960094 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My comment has disgusted ais523 so much his host closed the connection.
< 1326990015 88284 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there isn't a Nandypants implementation
< 1326990255 708343 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1326990334 62883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1326990334 499219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1326992468 355693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If what I saw on another channel is right, there's also a "Go To Hell" achievement for using 'goto', and something for putting more than five curse words in the same source file.
< 1326992531 967109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1326992699 613601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Symantec were hacked and the source code to Norton was leaked
< 1326992717 33094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a good way to make the computers of a bunch of hackers unusable
< 1326992762 800413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Schneier blogged about this.
< 1326992771 671364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hackers stole some source code to Symantec's products. We don't know what was stolen or how recent the code is -- the company is, of course, minimizing the story -- but it's hard to get worked up about this."
< 1326992772 367827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me
< 1326992776 208670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1326992804 480037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think it massively affects Symantec customers directly, but it does rather embarrass the company
< 1326992840 823333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, due to line length worries I omitted the third sentence, which ends "-- but most likely Symantec's biggest problem is public embarrassment."
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< 1326994314 990402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott still hasn't come back here
< 1326994319 877026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1326994323 445767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen him post elsewhere, though
< 1326994325 784859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think he's OK
< 1326994341 572496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was on StackOverflow 10 minutes ago
< 1326994357 322549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you read this, elliott, best of luck in your new addiction ;)
< 1326994357 484998 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in #haskell
< 1326994407 121442 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1326994643 833326 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Category_talk:Languages
< 1326994661 350307 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably spam
< 1326994684 29905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HalfTauRSquared: a blank page ;)
< 1326995090 491134 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Template:K
< 1326995099 214437 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1326995104 167330 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it work?
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< 1326995246 388072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reputation-hunting leaves no time for #esoteric shenanigans, I suppose.
< 1326995251 381698 :BlackCherry!~BCherry@187.56.40.148 PART :#esoteric
< 1326995264 871241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1326995299 192413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, 8372! It was something like six-seven thousand a while ago.
< 1326995408 904044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the elliottlessness
< 1326995419 982553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottllessnness
< 1326995424 205084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to double every consonant
< 1326995439 690011 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur) (last)  23:56, 7 March 2008 Elliott (Talk | contribs) (Apologies for polluting the global namespace. I think I can embed the SKI calculus into MediaWiki.)
< 1326995465 976862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HalfTauRSquared: no, it didn't
< 1326995472 143357 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1326995475 998265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki dislikes recursive templates
< 1326995498 688204 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the max recursion limit?
< 1326995581 644231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 I think?
< 1326995634 413338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has attempted similar things and discovered that it's not possible without recursion.
< 1326995700 589463 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1326995946 459202 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you didn't double the s's
< 1326995951 656744 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottllessssnnessss
< 1326995960 400797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were already doubled
< 1326995962 157097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1326995966 144437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubled the undoubled ones.
< 1326995966 853155 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So double them again
< 1326995970 895948 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE
< 1326995976 722158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I was trying to do
< 1326995979 898661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted event doubleness
< 1326995986 234067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only two consonants away.
< 1326996000 368997 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elllliottttlllllessssnnnnessss
< 1326996047 390450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelllliioottttlllleessssnnnneessss
< 1326996065 752948 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish eelllliioottttlllleessssnnnneessss
< 1326996068 363313 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelllleeiuuttttlllleessssnnnneessss
< 1326996080 952204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[..,]!elliottlessness
< 1326996081 113948 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelllliioottttlleessssnneessss
< 1326996083 910700 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish what is this?
< 1326996084 499548 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhet is thees?  Bork Bork Bork!
< 1326996090 175339 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1326996105 943777 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal imitator.
< 1326996110 617836 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork Bork Bork!
< 1326996123 253876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1326996126 245770 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish swedish
< 1326996126 833295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :svedeesh
< 1326996131 880382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!svedeesh svedeesh
< 1326996132 576852 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sffedeesh
< 1326996143 135718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffedeesh sfedeesh
< 1326996143 776488 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sffffffffffffffffedeesh
< 1326996157 787174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffedeesh what is this I don't even?
< 1326996158 478054 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fhet is zeees I doooon't iffffffffee-a-a-a?  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!
< 1326996162 562712 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!svedeesh eelllleeiuuttttlllleessssnnnneessss
< 1326996163 187349 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelllleeeeuuuuttttlllleessssnnnneessss
< 1326996201 357524 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelllleeiuuttttlllleessssnnnneessss is the same?
< 1326996205 23731 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1326996224 462701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffedeesh ????????????????????????????//
< 1326996225 213346 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​????????????????????????????//
< 1326996232 370604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffedeesh whar????????????????????????????
< 1326996233 51593 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fher????????????????????????????  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!  Bork Bork Bork!
< 1326996273 759943 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=svedeesh
< 1326996330 314240 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.++++.-]
< 1326996330 476271 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. #"&%)(,+/.215487;:>=A@DCGFJIMLPOSRVUYX\[_^baedhgkjnmqptswvzy}|
< 1326996340 183450 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown CTCP...
< 1326996527 5310 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi
< 1326996527 205329 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HalfTauRSquared: a not boring way, build a way up the echeladder a while. don't give a shit in the veil.
< 1326996535 973492 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1326996543 249793 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ???
< 1326996543 411990 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HalfTauRSquared: but it is your journey i am a fucking veteran of the game in the first place. you wonder what it does?"
< 1326996620 906392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.,[.,]+.!ACTION hasn't been insulated against being asked to do CTCPs yet
< 1326996621 68197 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been insulated against being asked to do CTCPs yet
< 1326996722 678257 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other ctcps are there?
< 1326996743 906584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HalfTauRSquared: you're in a UTC-5 timezone
< 1326996749 201137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured that out via CTCP)
< 1326996756 702386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're using ChatZilla
< 1326996768 150359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the main ones that clients actually respond to
< 1326996774 22708 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP time reply “Thu Jan 19 18:12:36 2012” from ais523
< 1326996780 452647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few that are defined but nobody cares about
< 1326996787 478808 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... ?
< 1326997050 540557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP SOURCE, I think
< 1326997316 81028 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that fungot is talking in MSPA style
< 1326997316 281759 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a not boring way, build a way up the echeladder a while. it should be hours before you have to connect to the internet and lead him, rose, did you just make your room lousy wise, a distinction in men that would forever.
< 1326997334 683383 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just Homestuck style
< 1326997336 676956 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1326997336 843680 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1326997400 902674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1326997401 64322 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1326997405 76808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like this one
< 1326997405 458591 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, ever since the treaty of amsterdam, and contrary to the commitments set out in the maastricht treaty.
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< 1326997746 155897 :rod_!~rod@95.169.240.70 NICK :roper
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< 1326998502 471435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl you $ (just . (.)) $ use . (point free) $ (. style)
< 1326998502 852851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you (just (\ b c -> use (point free (b c)))) (\ d s -> d (style s)))
< 1326999379 951917 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you just randomly throwing things like that in?
< 1326999384 160562 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see what would happen?
< 1326999413 277602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said it in another channel as a joke
< 1326999426 429073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided to unpl it to show that the alternative was not much better ;)
< 1326999432 295720 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1326999622 438071 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1327000068 250497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP CLIENTINFO will tell what other things the client will answer for.
< 1327000086 246014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least sometimes.
< 1327000090 820827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:07 [ircnet] CTCP CLIENTINFO reply from fizzie: PING VERSION TIME USERINFO CLIENTINFO
< 1327000143 893323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-CLIENTINFO reply from ais523: ACTION CLIENTINFO DCC PING TIME VERSION.
< 1327000162 480452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh at ACTION being there
< 1327000177 520123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC is also something whatever answered for me seemed to omit.
< 1327000232 668999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi gives me the same as fizzie's reply, so presumably it was that
< 1327000240 219317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've only got irssi connected at the moment; was wondering why no XChat reply.
< 1327000321 480164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that XChat seems to be answering now either. Oh well.
< 1327001538 227333 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, Facebook breakage.
< 1327001557 183786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's telling me that two people I don't know like my wall post, and when I click that link, it brings me to a message that says "This content is currently unavailable"
< 1327001600 838237 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1327002846 773026 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, maybe they blocked you or deleted their accounts?
< 1327002852 119536 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long ago was the wall post?
< 1327002878 978898 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There /is/ no wall post.
< 1327002916 90460 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O I thought you were saying clicking the users said that they were unavailable
< 1327002936 620348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, clicking the notification, which should go to the wall post (so I can know what wall post it refers to) goes to that.
< 1327002956 569971 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you sleep-delete stuff
< 1327003413 919928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1327003628 999208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And before that, I share it with people I don't know? Somehow?
< 1327003635 109862 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they like it AFTER I deleted it?
< 1327004072 273999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what? Delete what?
< 1327004245 966164 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2
< 1327005684 231194 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF TWO MORE PEOPLE LIKED THE PHANTOM POST
< 1327006030 610256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To promote prosperity, creativity, entrepreneurship, and innovation by combating the theft of U.S. property, and for other purposes."
< 1327006033 949203 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :other purposes, eh?
< 1327007980 369313 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17|afk
< 1327008970 500318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1327009156 989851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that combating the theft of U.S. property will promote prosperity, creativity, entrepreneurship, and innovation
< 1327009220 955874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it concerns the creation and distribution of bitstreams 
< 1327009225 376092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, is the point of Portal Chess to be COMPLETELY AMAZING?
< 1327009311 874221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes matters worse is the use of computer data to control those without computers
< 1327009348 84837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think i can assume the laws are biased towards anyone who owns computer hardware
< 1327009352 781719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, because I want to sign up to playtest
< 1327009357 229908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo laws
< 1327009372 544107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just sopa and pipa but all modern laws
< 1327009394 165606 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, did you learn Law from the same place you learnt Lambda Calculus?
< 1327009407 962345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, if you don't own computer hardware, SOPA... doesn't affect you, at least directly.
< 1327009436 100453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, please stop I have a friend that does that and my ability to not punch him in the face is worn thin.
< 1327009466 755874 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playtest Portal Chess?
< 1327009498 415226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will happen is society will transform more and more so that people need computers
< 1327009499 262182 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes that is the goal.
< 1327009509 715107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas once upon a time people didn't need computers
< 1327009535 878824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I still feels that the prism unit is kind of bad.
< 1327009543 125569 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting way this happens is more and more marketplaces exist only on the internet
< 1327009582 559183 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I think the prism should be undirected and should split projectiles in a Y shape
< 1327009616 807197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want you "to need to be" connected to the internet.. "to need to have" credit cards
< 1327009624 700511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you guys should understand that chess only works because it's extremely minimalistic.
< 1327009625 552338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as arrows being immune to projectiles I think this can be combatted by effective use of portals to relocate them, still it's difficult to actually capture them. 
< 1327009642 24859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes that is part of the appeal to its strategy.
< 1327009646 741837 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, chess is a lot less minimalistic than draughts
< 1327009649 984542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I have ideas partially fixing some of these problems, making my own business when I am able to do so. Everything work with postal mail, payment in cash, no internet require, and so on. Everything non-DRM, etc
< 1327009678 7405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and yet is much more successful
< 1327009721 979496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that everyone that pays by credit card and so on has to pay extra service fee
< 1327009724 140774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: chess is nice because each of the pieces complement and each other nicely. They each serve a specific role and must work within those constraints. I'm trying to emulate that to an extent. I don't think I've designed portal chess with the notion that, if I add as much wacky shit as possible, I'll have a fun game.
< 1327009729 294993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i just label myself insane and call it a day
< 1327009729 457111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoohoo
< 1327009763 684804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I don't think I really like the idea of splitting projectiles into two paths.
< 1327009778 75713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply becomes too complex when you consider the possibilities of loops.
< 1327009789 253937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Labeling yourself insane is not sufficient (nor is it necessary; but that isn't the point).
< 1327009795 148147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I would suggest a different name for the piece
< 1327009798 964849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1327009825 990606 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its getting ((& more) more) difficult to explain to older adults why i don't need a job or an income
< 1327009871 918669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a ((& more) more)
< 1327009876 729204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp english
< 1327009886 157592 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly the buddha suggests to not try to delianate the self
< 1327009888 860644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :curried lisp english....
< 1327009889 281000 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do
< 1327009890 927757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1327009905 920733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more and more
< 1327009907 176715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: delineate? the buddha suggests there is no such thing as self.
< 1327009939 795786 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The self is really just a part of the universe as a whole and is of no use otherwise. Same with everything else.
< 1327009944 729255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I was considering augmenting the pawns perhaps, but perhaps they're still useful as it stands
< 1327009956 568800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now im trolling.. 
< 1327009967 626902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1327009978 905656 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 says something stupid, people call him out on it, itidus21 claims he is trolling. classic.
< 1327009985 268274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenzeta manziemonda
< 1327009995 251416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : its getting ((& more) more) difficult to explain to older adults why i don't need a job or an income
< 1327009999 798937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :faziccio permandonza
< 1327010003 658904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, on account of how you pay far too much attention to my posts it would be very bad for you to hear much more of my comments on that
< 1327010006 642979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, the pawns are good as it stands
< 1327010006 804768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am rather curious as to why you don't need a job or an income.
< 1327010011 754771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i am not sane, i cannot possibly inspire sanity
< 1327010018 914234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been lead to believe that money is quite useful.
< 1327010021 503534 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: disability, I would imagine.
< 1327010044 967531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably doesn't like to explain that he's on disability funds, or something. that was my guess.
< 1327010053 527025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, yes, it makes no sense.
< 1327010066 906602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: if you don't need money yourself, you could work and give *me* money
< 1327010069 115726 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funds = income
< 1327010072 553567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have an income of disability support?
< 1327010072 715279 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's a hermit with no worldly possessions?
< 1327010083 103234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, and a computer with an internet connection?
< 1327010084 236969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my family covers me
< 1327010088 24144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: pawns could perhaps move like kings??
< 1327010102 855714 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nah, a rock
< 1327010103 17506 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That he borrows
< 1327010104 273295 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: your family dies. now what.
< 1327010105 104901 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my brother shares his connection with me, and gives me hand me down pc parts
< 1327010109 203362 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: or do you plan to die first
< 1327010120 481494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, pawns are good!
< 1327010131 250154 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps keep prisms as queense?
< 1327010172 297959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not in want
< 1327010194 947067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i lack is an offline social life or money to afford a social life
< 1327010215 582471 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I was also thinking queens could be portals that connect to the opposing player's queen.
< 1327010231 769989 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, checks at start of game, not good
< 1327010239 585731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffice to say that my irc experience is as good as anyone who is funded :D
< 1327010253 400175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: also not likely
< 1327010260 436209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :portals have directions remember?
< 1327010265 485377 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes
< 1327010268 701910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you point your queen at your king?
< 1327010298 738330 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe I just thought of a potential play
< 1327010300 662971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it's likely not a good idea.
< 1327010302 889274 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my head hurts
< 1327010313 167056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated I think
< 1327010341 67983 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about leaving queens alone. not sure what ramifications that would have.
< 1327010349 800628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :money to afford a social life? :D
< 1327010373 420267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: for the original idea I could rename them as "lenses", also I was considering giving them a direction rather than being directionless, as it simplified interface requirements.
< 1327010374 300236 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buying friends
< 1327010382 361449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how friendship works right
< 1327010410 698017 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember in school people used to joke about the word pay-friend
< 1327010457 19376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well something as simple as a restaurant visit, bowling alley, cinema, pub.. none is free
< 1327010465 525845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to (truthfully, of course) convince the people that my ways of doing business are save energy and stuff a lot more. In addition to respecting your privacy, etc
< 1327010471 76356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, no you catch them when they forage in your bin
< 1327010494 991512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the money is for populating the bin
< 1327010524 397222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh
< 1327010526 89660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an article in some issue of 2600 called "Smart Regression". There are a lot of informative articles in any issue
< 1327010530 947934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: dunno I think lenses are pretty solid (and you seem to mainly object the name, which was poorly chosen)
< 1327010531 109648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the blanket i suppose
< 1327010570 44488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hmm
< 1327010574 580764 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This needs testing
< 1327010590 272349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: they could move as queens, have a direction, and have some kind of capture movement that is more limited than their normal movement
< 1327010608 783008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: and yes I am agre
< 1327010620 842484 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for capturing
< 1327010634 11686 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, it's kinda lame
< 1327010659 196848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the idea is to not make yet another lame chess variant. :P
< 1327010668 347662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game Ultima for example is basically just a bunch of random ideas thrown together.
< 1327010687 175833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a piece that captures by moving away from a piece adjacent to it....
< 1327010697 727792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another that captures a piece in the same way that the piece captures others.
< 1327010703 644561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't very good pieces.
< 1327010731 848560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile you have a bunch of pieces based around the "OMG wouldn't it be cool if..." principle.
< 1327010738 139048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do not.
< 1327010742 466525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have one of those. the portal.
< 1327010751 437242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is based on that.
< 1327010756 257666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least continuous chess was based around a single "OMG wouldn't it be cool if...".
< 1327010783 717389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bawwwwwwwwwwww
< 1327010799 418834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :go cry about it somewhere else kthx.
< 1327010823 965298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the part where you confuse that for bitterness as if continuous chess was my precious result of years of work.
< 1327010853 286584 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1327010856 77622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just not being very helpful
< 1327010870 94184 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason.
< 1327010898 27419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because you've been talking non-stop about this godawful chess variant for nearly a fortnight.
< 1327010928 309933 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest the creation of #esoteric-chess-variants
< 1327010938 437408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I.
< 1327010939 148964 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what will happen here
< 1327010951 261562 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages
< 1327010957 414172 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-chess-variants
< 1327010960 691364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will all be happy and ncie
< 1327010963 611313 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to type join
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< 1327010973 154145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sorry I'll try to have conversations somewhere else. resume your on-topic banter.
< 1327010974 840860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I forgot
< 1327010975 995874 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i's back
< 1327010976 157847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a channel called +CHESS in my IRC server. It is already there, for discussing chess and variants.
< 1327010986 126883 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why + and not # ?
< 1327010993 664678 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is + the "no operators" thing?
< 1327011014 282009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Modeless (which implies no operators)
< 1327011033 663609 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, we should all go spam the channel
< 1327011038 645097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly
< 1327011046 276478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly.
< 1327011048 480491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, has it really been 2 weeks?
< 1327011063 107797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loses track of time.
< 1327011064 574794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since what
< 1327011066 619909 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1327011067 711520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, kallisti could go and discuss Portal Chess-- wait they're isomorphic.
< 1327011072 799188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, since portal chess.
< 1327011078 762788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1327011087 327113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do you will be forcibly disconnected from the server... even if they are channels you make up yourself
< 1327011124 557758 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oubliette?
< 1327011132 721135 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no have I been talking about portal chess for two weeks
< 1327011139 585855 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea has been around for at least a few months now.
< 1327011147 676833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just working on it again.
< 1327011148 644259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But small spam might not be considered spam
< 1327011150 329106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1327011154 217758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> Skyrim
< 1327011155 731093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1327011165 131644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam = anything Phantom_Hoover doesn't like
< 1327011166 185500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1327011179 568364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1327011211 577234 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal time travel chess!
< 1327011219 471602 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember seeing a time travel chess variant)
< 1327011245 193825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess variant where the pieces are really really heavy
< 1327011245 491818 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there may be several
< 1327011247 509103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There are more than one.
< 1327011288 325814 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wgosa.org/ttchsrules.htm this is probably the one I was thinking of
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< 1327015131 521189 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1327015401 538353 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised how join works with functions
< 1327015413 326979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) r is a monad, right?
< 1327015440 556766 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphic to Reader yes
< 1327015449 692148 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And join :: m (m a) -> m a
< 1327015457 394217 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: join f x = f x x
< 1327015472 701109 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers
< 1327015474 71995 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that, I mean I've just realised /why/ it works
< 1327015510 675837 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we consider m to be (->) r, that gives us (->) r ((->) r a) -> (->) r a
< 1327015535 605169 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in infix form, (r -> r -> a) -> r -> a
< 1327015536 416381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to use sections even if it's not Real Haskell
< 1327015542 263368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infix and sections
< 1327015579 373854 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is how it makes sense for me
< 1327015662 990544 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a
< 1327015663 660119 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1327015701 152266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, ap :: m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1327015727 852283 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if m = (->) r
< 1327015731 673078 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap :: (r -> a -> b) -> (r -> a) -> r -> b
< 1327015760 893253 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is everything much clearer
< 1327015772 479726 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, if m = []:
< 1327015779 460261 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: [[a]] -> a
< 1327015789 558958 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap :: [a -> b] -> [a] -> [b]
< 1327015852 913824 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If m = Maybe
< 1327015860 27485 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: Maybe (Maybe a) -> a
< 1327015865 109850 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Maybe a
< 1327015865 271626 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1327015877 20397 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^ [a]
< 1327015881 966596 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere back there
< 1327015906 925157 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap :: Maybe (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> Maybe b
< 1327015989 521483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, with (->) r being a monad, that gives const, id, (.), flip, join, and ap as MIBBLII's combinators
< 1327016116 954501 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap (.) (join (.)) succ (ord '\NUL')
< 1327016118 679303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1327016121 912748 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIBBLII?
< 1327016128 317647 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-200.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my esolangs
< 1327016169 641520 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: const is return: if you're feeleng that way
< 1327016650 411367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how all the complexity theory articles on Wikipedia have to account for the fact that P = NP is not proven or disproven. 
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