< 1325376034 944632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Ben is late
< 1325376039 788526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a few seconds
< 1325376046 379948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or ja.net is early
< 1325376053 289336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I trust it more than I trust a mechanical clock
< 1325376057 78993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY 2011.9999999999999, EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1325376066 333455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is even later
< 1325376073 829759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 12:01 already
< 1325376083 375334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY 2011.9999999999999[10], EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1325376091 211071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [] signifies a single digit
< 1325376101 786720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use A?
< 1325376114 702700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year in UK
< 1325376154 836482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fST?
< 1325376159 975175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325376164 935433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-christel- [Global Notice] Happy new Year to the those on fST which covers UK, Portugal, Morocco, Ireland, parts of Spain, Iceland, Cote d'Ivoire, Mali, Togo, Senegal, Gambia, Faroe Islands, Guinea-Bissau, Isle of Man, Greenland, Saint helena, Mauritania, Sao Tome, Guinea, Western Sahara, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Sierra Leone and Liberia! Welcome to 2012 - Year Of The Troll!
< 1325376174 397441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :200C, like they say in "200%X" terms.
< 1325376177 177911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the freenode staff are drunk today.
< 1325376177 822360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1325376181 87429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fST
< 1325376181 652282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325376184 399083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode Standard Time? 
< 1325376184 599231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these messages have been massively typo'd.
< 1325376186 728293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1325376189 240825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid.
< 1325376192 897665 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but then it's hexadecimal. I suppose pointing that out would break the joke?
< 1325376194 729248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it *sounds* like.
< 1325376195 253088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as stupid as "libya".
< 1325376198 115826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Most of Congo".
< 1325376205 241512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is.
< 1325376208 303947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325376211 477758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fst
< 1325376216 628719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that, yes; you made me remember.
< 1325376227 393930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I can hear, but not see, fireworks here.
< 1325376227 716161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's just standard to use letters for digits past the 10th
< 1325376241 357800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it "sort of" is.
< 1325376247 250779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy year of the apocalypse, everybody!
< 1325376258 30147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-christel- 2012 - Year Of The Troll!
< 1325376260 90637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you have a nice apocalypse and lead up to the apocalypse
< 1325376276 958529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Freenode /disliked/ trolls?
< 1325376280 585291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they changed their mind?
< 1325376294 530477 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly their mind change will take effect in 2012.
< 1325376306 589797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at first misread it as year of the trolley
< 1325376313 248570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you do know there's no reason to think the world will end in 2012, right?
< 1325376314 778072 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :year of the trolley would be good
< 1325376315 988618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#freenode-newyears s very quiet
< 1325376323 959034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s //
< 1325376332 252913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the common theory about the Mayan calendar was a mistranslation
< 1325376336 516818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure there is: everyone who said that would look really stupid
< 1325376353 939793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you think the world would end just to stop people looking stupid?
< 1325376361 225331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just to make them look stupid
< 1325376369 875616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it'd be more in character for it to keep hanging on out of spite?
< 1325376406 50277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, _you_ can hardly talk about there being no logical reason to think that something will happen to the physical universe
< 1325376461 225503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325376473 263692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover <- 2011
< 1325376478 70148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i am still ignored
< 1325376479 682515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bloody church blocked the fireworks again, of course.
< 1325376495 712165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, luke-jr is in #freenode-newyears.
< 1325376500 865377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exits stage left.
< 1325376508 581040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Qaeda have been slacking, evidently.
< 1325376521 348540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who's luke-jr?
< 1325376525 382251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he an ssh fanboy?
< 1325376541 571296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> That bloody church blocked the fireworks again, of course. <-- huh?
< 1325376544 867951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he's from #jesus
< 1325376556 233628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see log from exactly a year ago.
< 1325376595 505901 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing fireworks are awful
< 1325376600 221737 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh fanboy?
< 1325376617 899153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay
< 1325376619 881405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: elliott didn't believe me either when I said I knew one
< 1325376622 545994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I gave some examples
< 1325376641 640654 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one be a fan of a simple tool?
< 1325376649 206072 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :</hypocrite>
< 1325376651 480408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, hahahaha you suck
< 1325376656 430668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++
< 1325376662 933441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does elliott.
< 1325376670 67403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are evidently also an English pansy.
< 1325376672 666489 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Phantom_Hoover on something?
< 1325376691 141182 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why would I disagree randomly with Phantom_Hoover?
< 1325376701 210774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have you long been of the opinion that monqy sucks?
< 1325376701 536295 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with someone against elliott?
< 1325376730 137017 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess after he said that fireworks are awful
< 1325376765 169590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the right place.
< 1325376779 174613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this firework sounds like a cat dying.
< 1325376818 805434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha you just have amateur crappy fireworks in people's back gardens.
< 1325376830 19853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a giant castle with loads and loads of fireworks.
< 1325376850 583727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we're watching the celebrations in London on TV
< 1325376856 383647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're winding down now
< 1325376860 492333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/those/ aren't pansy fireworks
< 1325376866 710574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have a castle??
< 1325376868 50151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: These fireworks aren't from a garden.
< 1325376871 989735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure they're the official thing.
< 1325376879 299061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha
< 1325376899 550430 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked fireworks are too illegal here for back gardens to do them
< 1325376902 714291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live like two blocks away from the official fireworks here. They are quite good.
< 1325376918 203399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sure? there are fireworks visible from where I live
< 1325376919 989826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, and yet gun control??? im politic
< 1325376922 919150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure
< 1325376924 545517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from where I am currently
< 1325376935 214864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually live here, maybe they're visible from where I am too
< 1325376941 55319 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, where I am, illegality of fireworks does not stop usage of fireworks.
< 1325376946 595087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Guy Fawkes Day, some people set off a firework from the pavement
< 1325376949 923479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure /that's/ illegal
< 1325376955 824302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a few metres away at the time, so I ran
< 1325376957 335188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> monqy: sure? there are fireworks visible from where I live
< 1325376959 446200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in America?
< 1325376959 939310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I wasn't sure how good their aim was
< 1325376963 159321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fireworks are illegal in Ireland for obvious reasons.
< 1325376965 644071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, monqy's American?
< 1325376969 767486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was British for some reason
< 1325376985 172985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't expect fireworks to be illegal in a land of republicans
< 1325376991 596871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing America isn't that, then.
< 1325376995 62870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor would I expect democrats to try to ban them
< 1325376999 574256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much fallout for too little gain
< 1325377002 130755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean rd or RD?
< 1325377013 269774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, do I mean either?
< 1325377016 694784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what either manes
< 1325377020 633147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what are the obvious reasons?
< 1325377021 807906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republicans and democrats or Republicans and Democrats?
< 1325377026 839525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're vastly different things.
< 1325377037 111953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, rD in that situation
< 1325377047 182146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do you know, like, anything about Irish history in the second half of the 20th century?
< 1325377052 899959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, Northern Irish?
< 1325377053 62080 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My state apparently bans all consumer fireworks.
< 1325377056 164243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The obvious answer is that the Republicans would ban them, then...
< 1325377057 292582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh right that
< 1325377060 757662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah makes sense
< 1325377066 138328 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen home Fireworks every year (more often)
< 1325377068 711140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not sure it makes sense for the entire island though
< 1325377069 849482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Vorpal just googled it.)
< 1325377076 181217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I didn't
< 1325377076 340782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? they normally wouldn't offend their core voters for no good reason at all
< 1325377084 646909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Ireland has two nations on them.
< 1325377089 96563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed
< 1325377089 943389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably would if given large enough political donations
< 1325377092 882939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on it
< 1325377094 746297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody really has an incentive to do that either
< 1325377099 857757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I assume you mean the nation Ireland
< 1325377100 664288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see why that would offend their core voters.
< 1325377109 575404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no?
< 1325377115 753267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in both.
< 1325377118 171241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: banning fireworks?
< 1325377124 912987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well that doesn't make much sense to me.
< 1325377132 7447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine you're ESR and you find out that the government is banning fireworks, what's your reaction?
< 1325377133 781264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_fireworks#United_States, anyway.
< 1325377142 11983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hahahaha, you think ESR is the typical Republican supporter?
< 1325377153 993024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think he's an extreme version of a subset of Republican supporters
< 1325377155 280381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESR is strongly libertarian, the Republican party is nothing of the sort.
< 1325377159 835481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the Republic of Ireland, the law on fireworks is governed by Part 6 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006. Generally, fireworks are illegal. Private fireworks displays are allowed on two conditions; the fireworks must be licensed for import and a professional fireworks operator must be used."
< 1325377161 457619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think there's any chance he votes Democrat?
< 1325377176 614069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he may well vote third party, I guess)
< 1325377180 771252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but that's quite irrelevant; Republicans aren't, as a general rule, libertarian.
< 1325377187 761183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in practice, libertarians normally vote republican
< 1325377201 519068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like the majority of actual republicans would care either way about fireworks
< 1325377285 346777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon further consultation, my mother isn't actually sure whether fireworks are banned in NI, although she's never seen them on sale.
< 1325377325 828524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nio.gov.uk/the_law_on_fireworks.pdf
< 1325377355 35868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything other than indoor fireworks is banned.
< 1325377362 797244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requires a licence
< 1325377365 93814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think your mother would know whether fireworks are banned in northern island?
< 1325377385 272047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indoor... fireworks?
< 1325377414 465586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not much different to indoor skiing, surely?
< 1325377415 273295 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireplaces, arson
< 1325377416 564115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because she is from it, also insists on dragging me there every available opportunity??
< 1325377421 807416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1325377430 289218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland
< 1325377430 610846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also applies to my father, my parents are awful)
< 1325377437 424928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kneeees
< 1325377441 616447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your parents are both northern-irish?
< 1325377448 534011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1325377457 49675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha, lkml.org has google +1 buttons
< 1325377458 720746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you Scottish?
< 1325377460 120919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on every message
< 1325377466 792873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no true scotsman!
< 1325377496 73123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because I was born there and I have lived there all my life?
< 1325377502 564194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm
< 1325377514 480130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would possess northern-irish parents to have a scottish child?
< 1325377523 385428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1325377530 837150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHY ARE YOU SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT
< 1325377550 845256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mum, dad.... I'm Scottish.
< 1325377613 590277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions,"
< 1325377627 221130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I need to become a pyrotechnician.
< 1325377819 65081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith
< 1325377832 683051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can legally own lockpicks
< 1325377837 207017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention when I wanted to become a locksmith?
< 1325377839 183887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally did.
< 1325377850 97557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Phantom_Hoover> "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions,"  <Phantom_Hoover> OK I need to become a pyrotechnician.  <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith  <ais523> so that you can legally own lockpicks  <Phantom_Hoover> Did I mention when I wanted to become a locksmith?
< 1325377860 997217 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :789) <Phantom_Hoover> "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions,"  <Phantom_Hoover> OK I need to become a pyrotechnician.  <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith  <ais523> so that you can legally own lockpicks  <Phantom_Hoover> Did I mention when I wanted to become a locksmith?
< 1325377865 920903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you stab people with lockpicks, I need to be able to enforce the Skyrim protocol.
< 1325377867 903206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1325377871 446951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lkml?
< 1325377886 97176 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1325377895 57564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I'm one of those people who's interested in picking locks from a theoretical point of view, because it's interesting in how it works
< 1325377903 644512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet don't do it because I fear it'd get me into trouble
< 1325377915 785830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to come up with lawful-good reasons to illegally pick locks
< 1325377933 179465 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about picking your own locks, or does that damage them?
< 1325377955 962204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't damage them
< 1325377963 397541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, they're all far too secure for me to stand any chance
< 1325377974 419931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked the lock on a classmate's pencil case once, with their permission
< 1325377980 296837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they didn't believe I'd done it when break ended
< 1325377985 295443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess it was a really weak lock)
< 1325377986 360431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that time I wanted to pick a lock because there was a chair behind it and then I nearly stabbed some people in enforcement of the Skyrim protocol.
< 1325377999 460152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ the Skyrim protocol?
< 1325378003 912390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does it involve BF derivatives?
< 1325378005 606975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth
< 1325378022 136064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky
< 1325378030 843894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bits of scotland that are nearish to bits of northern ireland
< 1325378031 973650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll grant you that
< 1325378032 979764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Vorpal> <ais523> northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth  <ais523> Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky
< 1325378036 47055 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :790) <Vorpal> <ais523> northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth  <ais523> Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky
< 1325378038 503049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the crow-flies route is rather awkward
< 1325378049 293689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think practical routes for getting from one to the other mostly go via England
< 1325378064 991459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still not very long
< 1325378066 641305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325378068 253445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325378070 67221 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :471) <oklopol> doctor who. i saw part of one episode of that and it reminded me of buffy the vampire slayer.
< 1325378070 222897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325378071 682668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325378072 812630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325378079 51545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I think practical routes for getting from one to the other mostly go via England
< 1325378081 223565 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88) <MissPiggy> bi is like sqrt(2)/2 * straight + i * sqrt(2)/2 * gay
< 1325378083 74660 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :596) <fungot> elliott: ppl should vote clinton because obama is biracial every1 knows that dood, look at him he has been on something lately.
< 1325378087 352458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean I travelled longer distances by far in Sweden.
< 1325378101 981290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I get dragged on involves driving to a ferry port in the southwest and sailing to Larne.
< 1325378125 62769 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) <quintopia> vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly   <Vorpal> quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P   <quintopia> being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too
< 1325378125 223837 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :673) <elliott> ais523: those suck  <elliott> hmm, those are all pretty good
< 1325378145 816737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is AK now again?
< 1325378164 958258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arkansas, perhaps? I don't know
< 1325378173 983826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alaska maybe?
< 1325378245 949023 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone be upset if I linked to US political news?
< 1325378279 58367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alaska, apparently.
< 1325378291 1674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, probably, but do it anyway.
< 1325378297 510626 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325378300 12726 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/virginia-gop-will-require-voters-to-sign-loyalty-oath/
< 1325378324 293224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, GOP?
< 1325378335 254188 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Republican party
< 1325378342 839575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Grand Old Party", I think.
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< 1325378380 156882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sadly, I'm desensitized by American politics to the point I can no longer really facepalm at it
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< 1325378556 206224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325378879 203905 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how carefully that article tries to hide the fact that it's the Republican primaries, not the actual elections, to which this is applied.
< 1325378937 225077 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo choo
< 1325378937 419076 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :choo hoo oo o  
< 1325379019 427196 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches back from DDG to Google.
< 1325379043 543589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it was pretty obvious to me that it was just applied to primaries
< 1325379046 164091 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^blah blah
< 1325379051 841402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I thought that was plausible even before the article outright said it
< 1325379057 217594 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo blah
< 1325379057 374016 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah lah ah h  
< 1325379068 84572 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure, but it's not nearly as up-front about it as it should be.
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< 1325379762 540327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC-1 is reasonably empty?
< 1325379794 863312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess UTC-2 will be even emptier, mostly ocean there
< 1325379806 210547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't iceland be in utc-1 if they were "normal" about it
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< 1325380444 794050 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I misread that as "UCS-1" and "UCS-2" for a second and was quite confused.
< 1325380460 331640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a UCS-1?
< 1325380461 460509 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325380574 677844 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever corresponds to the mid-Pacific?
< 1325380655 776066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Australia in the mid-pacific, in longitude terms?
< 1325380707 623244 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's -10, it seems.
< 1325380803 184702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, lol
< 1325380830 313507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> wouldn't iceland be in utc-1 if they were "normal" about it <-- they are UTC (possibly with summer time as well? I don't know)
< 1325380839 144603 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes Antarctica and summer times.
< 1325380847 343886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked though so I could SMS a friend on iceland happy new year at the right time
< 1325380848 473937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I know.
< 1325380900 717460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> there's a UCS-1? <-- that would be like quite similar to ASCII?
< 1325380906 463239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite though
< 1325380915 567328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii with surrogates
< 1325380917 202292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh
< 1325380917 886451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8
< 1325380927 256463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, UCS doesn't have surrogates
< 1325380930 749545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err UCS lacks surrogate stuff
< 1325380937 988215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. UCS-2 has no surrogates, UTF-16 does and can encode the whole set
< 1325380942 827199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess UCS-1 would just be Latin-1
< 1325380958 127575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1325380966 194887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it in here that played Magicka?
< 1325380969 176496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti
< 1325380974 937644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325380980 446133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.youtube.com/feather_beta
< 1325380995 686888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope that link's offtopic except for the name
< 1325381002 468348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if it's offtopic, I probably don't want to click it
< 1325381004 441747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I bought the game today. It was on sale. Again. I think it been on sale like 10 times since it was released less than a year ago
< 1325381006 165915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's ontopic, I definitely don't
< 1325381016 169999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could play co-op if anyone is interested
< 1325381016 493585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't click the link
< 1325381064 460803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? What does it actually do (wrt how it displays to the user)?
< 1325381080 707452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the top way of doing it to me would be cutting out the ads. But they are never going to do that
< 1325381121 698683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, don't care.
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< 1325381188 329243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1325381191 553979 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325381193 743279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome 2012
< 1325381196 880939 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325381205 649973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1325381241 931211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, that is a regular with a new nick
< 1325381249 287402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to say welcome, we are rude like that
< 1325381250 844453 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1325381272 157981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, look at the host ffs
< 1325381275 467107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* {happy_new_year} (~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17) has joined #esoteric
< 1325381284 857983 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION !
< 1325381311 382879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- {happy_new_year} [~notaregular@yep] has joined #esoteric
< 1325381312 511502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1325381318 436741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ...
< 1325381324 117263 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325381334 985226 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when was that?
< 1325381343 944193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few minutes ago
< 1325381350 294049 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1325381360 276039 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was this nick for ~an hour
< 1325381537 677516 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE
< 1325381543 927488 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, elliott update
< 1325381544 410799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1325381547 159472 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325381571 291218 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, excuse me I don't recall asking to be removed from the update list.
< 1325381572 942755 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1325381577 613528 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log {happy_new_year}
< 1325381591 124474 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, sorry
< 1325381601 203932 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be.
< 1325381606 164692 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-01.txt:01:32:52: <{happy_new_year}> umm
< 1325381626 630192 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you're kidding, right?
< 1325381644 625495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :":asimov.freenode.net 391 zzo38 asimov.freenode.net :Sunday January 1 2012 -- 01:33:39 +00:00"
< 1325381669 106455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{happy_new_year}: kidding about what
< 1325381674 10944 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my timezone is "2011/12/31 17:28:08 -0800"
< 1325381682 470801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time zzo38
< 1325381683 638920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zzo38 is 2011/12/31 17:28:27 -0800
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< 1325381698 114327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325381704 451501 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you caught me
< 1325381727 685135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1325381733 495580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy
< 1325381736 494803 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325381743 586303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi
< 1325381747 153211 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hi: not found
< 1325381768 731371 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRQuared
< 1325381778 739161 :PiRQuared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :{happy_new_year}
< 1325381840 169339 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: be back right away... MAYBEEEEEEEEEEE
< 1325381852 752335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caught you? Caught you with what?
< 1325381879 979201 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time centrinia 
< 1325381881 106111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for centrinia is Sat Dec 31 20:37:53
< 1325381901 601409 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325381906 621256 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION !
< 1325381908 394702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time lambdabot 
< 1325381908 756998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
< 1325381911 606546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325381917 387498 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time EgoBot 
< 1325381929 167769 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ChanServ
< 1325381968 587909 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time time time, look what's become of me
< 1325381970 32539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Time is Sat Dec 31 20:39:21 2011
< 1325382029 842527 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version lambdabot 
< 1325382030 486317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 4.2.2.1
< 1325382030 642961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs get http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot
< 1325382076 46786 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to make lambdabot to tell anything after "Local time for zzo38 is " including control characters, by using the option /SET ANSWER -
< 1325382087 727237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Zetro 
< 1325382088 694725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Zetro is Time: Sun Jan  1 02:38:52 2012, uptime: 19w 3h 37m 36s
< 1325382088 850538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1325382090 356173 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/SET ANSWER + makes it auto answering
< 1325382090 999901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time zzo38
< 1325382092 127683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zzo38 is 2011/12/31 17:35:15 -0800
< 1325382106 698899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I turned back on auto answering now
< 1325382118 841127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ais523
< 1325382120 492186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ais523 is Sun Jan 1 01:41:51 2012
< 1325382121 498396 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do the not auto answering thing
< 1325382128 875778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does it via ctcp
< 1325382130 687356 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Happy new year!
< 1325382131 171105 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auto answering is off.
< 1325382135 377698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating, I thought it had a timezone database
< 1325382138 466018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 2012, centrinia
< 1325382139 634624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time zzo38 
< 1325382148 901861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zzo38 is ACTION
< 1325382156 116284 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325382166 573462 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION .
< 1325382182 573618 :ais523|direct!~ais523|di@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325382190 626038 :ais523|direct!~ais523|di@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have an idea…
< 1325382195 844312 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ais523|direct
< 1325382202 460501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you ruined it
< 1325382208 573314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly
< 1325382212 141235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to send a CTCP response
< 1325382215 104172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1325382216 950765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/without/ the @time having been given
< 1325382227 92414 :ais523|direct!~ais523|di@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1325382227 414541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I tried that; it doesn't work
< 1325382260 562075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ofc, lambdabot would have no way of knowing what channel to send the response to
< 1325382290 640281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. That is what I thought but tried it anyways to see if it would do anything at all.
< 1325382315 27847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping ais523
< 1325382315 349553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1325382324 570059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping ais523 
< 1325382324 726436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was wondering if it'd ctcp ping me
< 1325382324 931479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1325382329 761960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have two connections?
< 1325382337 940976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have one at the moment
< 1325382349 914283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you unable to send CTCP response on the main one?
< 1325382383 466039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not convinced my client would correctly send a CTCP response
< 1325382392 727988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wanted to handcraft it to make sure it worked properly
< 1325382397 374902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends them automatically
< 1325382403 689130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, did you try making your client send a CTCP response?
< 1325382409 303855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clients generally aren't designed to send people unsolicited CTCP responses
< 1325382413 861540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the command would be
< 1325382420 396809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do /notice, but not really literal control-a
< 1325382464 325293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in my client, any control character can be sent by prefixing it with CTRL+P. Maybe in some client you can use CTRL+V for that, though, maybe some others support CTRL+P as well.
< 1325382476 921583 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/notice is not a CTCP command
< 1325382480 738296 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an irc NOTICE command
< 1325382493 864042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: a CTCP reply is an irc NOTICE command
< 1325382496 540203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with control characters in
< 1325382505 779021 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325382510 363286 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325382516 433208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, /notice ^ATIME Sun Jan 1 01:41:51 2012^A or whatever
< 1325382522 358659 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah
< 1325382522 520450 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST 1 2 3
< 1325382524 777274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, you can put multiple CTCP responses in the same line
< 1325382536 362214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if any client actually parses them as such
< 1325382546 325735 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should join the atto project
< 1325382546 973349 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325382552 491944 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client parses CTCP requests anywhere in a line.
< 1325382561 756210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the only thing it does with CTCP responses is displays them.
< 1325382573 975119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't attempt to parse them.
< 1325382577 735036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> but clients generally aren't designed to send people unsolicited CTCP responses <-- xchat has /ctcp and /nctcp iirc, the latter for the reply
< 1325382594 83862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Error] nctcp: Unknown command.
< 1325382601 300609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No.
< 1325382603 557734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I sent you a ctcp and a ctcp reply
< 1325382605 644951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they work?
< 1325382605 845175 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try pushing CTRL+A?
< 1325382609 796061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1325382611 302235 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTOIN tests
< 1325382613 460891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325382616 466618 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1325382616 627405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: selects all text on the line
< 1325382620 399566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that even before testing it
< 1325382622 857782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tested it anyway
< 1325382623 201733 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I FAILING>
< 1325382625 942567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actoin
< 1325382626 949111 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTIN tests
< 1325382631 137436 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good
< 1325382631 298704 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1325382631 621198 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you push CTRL+P first (or CTRL+V maybe) will that work?
< 1325382634 886026 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1325382635 368221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{happy_new_year}: you can't spell action
< 1325382640 727829 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it work?
< 1325382646 541730 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the third time yes
< 1325382651 707631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: control-v is paste; control-p has no obvious effect
< 1325382654 791741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for this:
< 1325382657 210053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERSION
< 1325382659 182999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't escape control codes
< 1325382660 911292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even printing?
< 1325382672 67379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't really print an IRC channel
< 1325382676 651136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could print a log, perhaps, or scrollback
< 1325382681 944569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Zetro- VERSION ((\w+) (v?(\d+(?:[a-z]|(?:\.\d+[a-z]?)*(?:[_-](?:\d+[a-z]?|[a-z]?\d*))?)))(?: (.*))?) <-- lol
< 1325382682 911427 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT :oops
< 1325382683 265374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither is an immediately useful thing to do
< 1325382687 207877 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn
< 1325382693 763308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP QUIT?
< 1325382700 61772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that is for
< 1325382701 349488 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might work...
< 1325382703 524990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt any client would fall for that by replying with QUIT not with NOTICE
< 1325382708 763909 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325382710 93727 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325382714 847320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could test using CTCP PRIVMSG, I guess
< 1325382724 340339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be just as futile
< 1325382726 868012 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG :oops
< 1325382727 29425 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → later today
< 1325382727 548637 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1325382729 248954 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325382734 235508 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1325382744 407421 :{happy_new_year}!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a list of commands?
< 1325382745 898146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :{happy_new_year}, also it isn't going to work, no client responds to unknown ctcp as far as I know
< 1325382756 784278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine simply ignore any request it doesn't understand, but it does display it regardless. If auto answer is turned off, it doesn't respond to anything either.
< 1325382762 768160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did Canada collapse? someone's asking about IRC nomics in another channel
< 1325382773 28168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No I have seen some that makes error message
< 1325382777 886454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :{happy_new_year}, and supported CTCPs are client dependent. There is a generic "get list" which may or may not be supported, which I forgot the name of anyway
< 1325382784 853442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, heh, really
< 1325382792 679108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember an edit war over something or other, but can't remember what
< 1325382794 976213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you were there too, can you remember?
< 1325382824 238628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Canada? Oh the IRC nomic that was stupidly renamed to try to do something silly with agora
< 1325382831 48527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left around the time it was renamed iirc
< 1325382831 249310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1325382831 405869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, once someone in this channel tried sending CTCP request in the middle of another message, and my client is the only one that responded.
< 1325382838 655342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was a war about something earlier
< 1325382846 553788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't remember
< 1325382853 948576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1325382862 846087 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think my client is the only one following the specifications of IRC more closely than any other one does.
< 1325382864 498693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone still have Canada's ruleset after this long? ISTR Vorpal hosted it
< 1325382870 746765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't
< 1325382884 199559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, check your logs? I can't they are on another computer that dual boots and is booted into windows.
< 1325382911 55235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a copy
< 1325382911 211380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I might check when I reboot to linux
< 1325382915 106542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't, I lost my logs from that long ago, IIRC
< 1325382915 262644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a slightly old ruleset
< 1325382923 69283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, it died due to becoming #nomic
< 1325382930 273310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, just lack of activity
< 1325382935 755840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about agora was more interesting
< 1325382976 835428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't doing too well as a nomic even before that
< 1325383024 399408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, New Canada never died
< 1325383028 519383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just barely even lived
< 1325383056 427951 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not?
< 1325383067 181938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why not what?
< 1325383075 522936 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: join the atto project
< 1325383100 325968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a very small project
< 1325383122 37155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I doubt it will be written in a programming language I will code in for fun, I doubt it will ever actually go anywhere, and I doubt I would find the end result all that useful/interesting, although that's the point I'm least sure of.
< 1325383152 615898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the set of programming languages you code in for fun?
< 1325383156 951819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just {Haskell}, or larger?
< 1325383206 457555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, I wanted to have a go at implementing scapegoat myself
< 1325383211 471767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't think of an appropriate language
< 1325383217 822453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: {Haskell, occasionally C, sometimes Python, rarely Perl, probably all sorts of obscure things like ATS and Rust and Bit-C and stuff, not C++, not C++, not C++}
< 1325383225 706634 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's that OS you're building called?
< 1325383226 834780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fair enough
< 1325383229 959352 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it definitely won't be C++
< 1325383235 439879 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever bother actually coding it
< 1325383246 607833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: we don't know yet; but all instances of @ in a nounish position in the logs are going to be copy-replaced with its name once it is named
< 1325383248 792932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we just call it @
< 1325383260 722136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would try to escape those @s, but apparently it can't be escaped)
< 1325383270 306213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thankfully, replacing X with X is a nop
< 1325383273 693753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, find-replaced
< 1325383281 581953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nounish?
< 1325383284 52039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a global replacement
< 1325383299 288602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even email addresses will survive the Revelation
< 1325383302 673452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what will it be, then?
< 1325383318 399882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you do C++ sudoku for fun sometimes?
< 1325383318 723372 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1325383322 790858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that not count as C++ programming?
< 1325383344 97665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not fun, that's zen
< 1325383346 517342 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the atto project is to create a user environment based on vim, but expanded to cover more applications
< 1325383359 727046 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no suck is allowed
< 1325383360 855095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, that's even less interesting than what I thought it was
< 1325383363 295326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sort-of like vimperator?
< 1325383366 951781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're doomed from the start
< 1325383368 563714 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, except not
< 1325383368 886490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only not limited to firefox?
< 1325383385 146542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vimperator isn't either
< 1325383385 952873 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a vim-like DE
< 1325383387 40741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimperator.org/
< 1325383396 108316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: somehow I'm not surprised
< 1325383399 794860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh good, it's layering Unix on top of Unix
< 1325383409 75018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you /sure/ you thought out the no suck rule fully?
< 1325383415 265916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: isn't that just Emacs?
< 1325383423 85279 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most emphatically not
< 1325383431 964172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the major defining difference between Emacs and vim is that Emacs is a DE and vim isn't
< 1325383438 147823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like controls can be remapped
< 1325383461 666599 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs doesn't nicely support the notion of a mode
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< 1325383506 709846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs has a concept called "mode", you know; and emacs minor modes could be used for vim modes very easily
< 1325383513 790758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably are, in fact
< 1325383533 4567 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misunderstand, not the in the way I envision them
< 1325383540 301656 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /is/ possible I misunderstand myself
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< 1325383571 443359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, things like insert/visual/command mode in vi are basically different sets of keybindings, right?
< 1325383632 133240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas an emacs major mode sets things like keybindings and syntax tables and indentation functions and (insert lots of other things here), and a minor mode sets some subset of those
< 1325383642 56644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's easy to envisage a minor mode whose only purpose is to change keybindings
< 1325383671 387753 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not entirely true. Visual mode, for instance, has the notion of a selection
< 1325383690 629067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't think emacs modes can add functionality like that...
< 1325383702 11533 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I certainly do
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< 1325383728 492877 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing is, it needs to be able to be as uniform as possible across different purposes
< 1325383801 532367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was just testing out M-x viper-mode
< 1325383811 483954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically vi keybindings in Emacs
< 1325383893 464650 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, restarting
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< 1325383931 11388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think part of the problem is that a vi-like interface makes no sense for many programs
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< 1325383937 825675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you put one on a calendar program, for instance?
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< 1325384008 961094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whenever I buy my wicked gaming desktop I'd be down for some co-op
< 1325384022 961855 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I actually own the game, but lack a computer with which to play it.
< 1325384064 370841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how are you on IRC?
< 1325384069 164651 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cursor navigates time, can insert events at cursor, or whatever
< 1325384074 731344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this one of those games that doesn't run well on low-end laptops?
< 1325384078 849510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll let you figure that out.
< 1325384080 337608 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1325384087 474782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/run well/run at all/
< 1325384098 380383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, I forgot the last reason: I have about 10x more projects than I can handle anyway
< 1325384103 616852 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: duh
< 1325384103 939810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm used to new games running even on old hardware
< 1325384114 239725 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think I'm starting this one?
< 1325384116 496601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically not with massively good graphics/framerates/etc
< 1325384123 760520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even because it's old.
< 1325384136 635448 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: modern computers with integrated graphics cards just don't cut it
< 1325384150 1611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just because the code throws an exception due to the lack of a good graphics cards or something. I don't remember the specific error.
< 1325384150 163988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? I've played computer games on them
< 1325384181 531717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Neverwinter Nights on my integrated laptop even now, and played it on an integrated graphics laptop back when I first bought it
< 1325384182 15302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an indie game made by like, ~5 people I think? So I'm not going to expect them to add every feature that you'd expect from a more expensive game.
< 1325384185 239955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it was reasonably new then
< 1325384194 936312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nwn predates shaders doesn't it
< 1325384207 612873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can even play SC2 on his laptop though it's a bit laggy. Magicka? nope.
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< 1325384255 373289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: just patch the library it's using to determine the graphics card to return a different result?
< 1325384268 183646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, despite the fact that Magicka doesn't seem like a graphically intense game, it does employ a lot of shaders, particle effects, physics, etc.
< 1325384275 573811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ..
< 1325384288 353861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's going to be easy.
< 1325384294 602030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: might be a patch on the forums to do that
< 1325384301 648888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happened with Neverwinter Nights, for me
< 1325384304 293797 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked there was no way to fix it.
< 1325384310 821219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crashing on Linux but there was a patch that masked the existence of a capability, then it wasn't
< 1325384353 134571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the reason modern games don't work on intel is that intel only has old shaders
< 1325384360 639403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flipping a gfx card check will not help.
< 1325384401 961166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old shaders = fixed pipeline where you only get to plug numbers into a prewritten shader, effectively?
< 1325384410 768589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are you sure?
< 1325384425 664961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what?
< 1325384432 799907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaders are programmable pipeline
< 1325384437 383184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel just only does glsl 1.2
< 1325384501 336067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1325384505 403719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a lot more sense
< 1325384524 747810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fixed pipeline can be seen as simply being forced to use prewritten shaders)
< 1325384565 758196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, comparing neverwinter nights to current games is ridiculous, because GPUs have advanced a few lightyears since then
< 1325384597 60430 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1325384606 526918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and desktops have got many times more powerful; so have laptops, but lower-end ones skimp heavily on things like graphics relative to mid-end-upwards stuff to save power, so that their batteries last a lot longer than they did back then
< 1325384634 601266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adanaxis runs nicely on this laptop too, and it does crazy things with shaders
< 1325384650 280943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity that normal GPU matrices only go up to 4x4, adanaxis could really do with 5x5
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< 1325384699 890993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it does /that/ crazy things
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< 1325384761 699403 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any five dimensional space shooters?
< 1325384829 964300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325384852 547565 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are there? :p
< 1325384950 675825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one
< 1325385061 848068 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make two
< 1325385090 806472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make 0
< 1325385096 568092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make clean all
< 1325385097 414409 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make -1
< 1325385164 608732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make pi r^2 17
< 1325385490 712046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make make
< 1325385493 291823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man make 
< 1325385494 690823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make man
< 1325385703 822352 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man man
< 1325385706 970961 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1325385712 798694 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`make man
< 1325385715 940933 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No rule to make target `man'.  Stop.
< 1325385760 208423 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ celebrate you know what celebrate needs?
< 1325385762 465016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate you know what celebrate needs?
< 1325385762 625983 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1325385763 270843 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
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< 1325385769 97082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow a little more rainbow
< 1325385769 258372 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a3 4l5i6t7t8l9e2 3m4o5r6e7 8r9a2i3n4b5o6w
< 1325385795 44467 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything needs a little more rainbow
< 1325385809 182828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325385813 741308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my websites will be in rainbow colors
< 1325385823 87984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones people pay me to create.
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< 1325385863 529798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bset wob dseinger
< 1325385872 109181 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
< 1325385872 264859 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
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< 1325385873 559031 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_|                   (_| |_)
< 1325386350 440340 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti update. Phantom_Hoover's not on the list because he's not here.
< 1325386374 512060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thanks for the elliott update earlier
< 1325386388 456574 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome
< 1325386395 662614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NOT WELCOME
< 1325386400 436339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
< 1325386411 655302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Sgeo
< 1325386414 836840 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325386415 986385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weclome
< 1325386420 741457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weclome
< 1325386425 621156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WECLOME
< 1325386428 688522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1325386431 322429 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unwelcome kallisti 
< 1325386433 908284 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unwelcome: not found
< 1325386436 134823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325386439 364402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :much bteter
< 1325386507 841184 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihihihihihihihihihihihihih
< 1325386522 842778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 :> [4]
< 1325386523 488726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `:>'
< 1325386847 264562 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnmark is RELLLLAAAALKLLL~!
< 1325386908 337679 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :[Finnmark|Away]
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< 1325386952 965317 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325386953 464499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325386959 246228 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325386959 408450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover said 1h 13m 41s ago: CRITICAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE: elliott lives in the Abbey, move to intercept.
< 1325386974 512843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any good torrent client suggestions for windows?
< 1325387006 507023 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used a program called "Another BitTorrent Client"
< 1325387044 639308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf make cancel the default button in an open dialogue
< 1325387050 929458 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use �Torrent
< 1325387052 381571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ktorrent (on linux) do that
< 1325387065 217595 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1325387074 509948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, thanks. How does it compare to ktorrent in functionality
< 1325387077 933982 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea
< 1325387085 949358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it was a rhetorical question
< 1325387093 15689 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used ktorrent, and I've barely used �Torrent
< 1325387097 480648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325387103 776609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait for elliott then
< 1325387113 140732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325387115 446797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really only use... Transmission? THe one that's default on Ubuntu
< 1325387122 496233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just use utorrent
< 1325387125 760420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay
< 1325387145 610500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or deluge
< 1325387146 416889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1325387149 641615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone just uses utorrent
< 1325387155 160860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Bit late for you to be on.
< 1325387158 798101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... I forgot the port forwarding assignment for that computer. I'll just use the configured ktorrent on my laptop
< 1325387162 543776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then scp it over
< 1325387166 896121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle stdGen
< 1325387167 379236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random data StdGen
< 1325387167 535497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random getStdGen :: IO StdGen
< 1325387167 535674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random mkStdGen :: Int -> StdGen
< 1325387169 690512 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was saving up
< 1325387170 174106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so lazy
< 1325387184 340047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t random
< 1325387185 306750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall g a. (Random a, RandomGen g) => g -> (a, g)
< 1325387186 755856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I bought magicka on the sale today
< 1325387204 893650 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever reads MSPA: Possibly update?
< 1325387207 350547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, (complete pack even, it was so cheap)
< 1325387209 956182 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if you know already
< 1325387239 534001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I still find it very hard. I guess I could play co-op with someone. Don't know any friend who owns it. Unless I count you as a friend.
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< 1325387571 566087 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, which game?
< 1325387587 115503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, magicka
< 1325387590 323308 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read
< 1325387693 800535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish strings has an option to ignore stupid strings like "T$4P"
< 1325387807 261394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Dude, it's way past your bedtime. You're scaring me.
< 1325387822 736147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is way past my bedtime too
< 1325387887 915307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a bedtime
< 1325387892 505816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the attention to detail in this feature request is a sign that it will never get fixed, or that it will get fixed rapidly.
< 1325388597 168264 :[Finnmark|Away]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRS|Finnmark
< 1325388608 691464 :PiRS|Finnmark!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1325388636 326537 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-91-20.asm.bellsouth.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325389161 660479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325389172 228710 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_Not_here, elliott kallisti update
< 1325389271 837568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im phantomhoovernothere
< 1325389278 620126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my traditional scottish name
< 1325389288 465092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: It's almost 4 am, man.
< 1325389455 502033 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I disable space to scroll in Chrome?
< 1325389984 730909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not unless there's some exttension
< 1325390097 386233 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded Firefox instead :/
< 1325390253 609265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1325391182 172269 :PiRS|Finnmark!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17
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< 1325392165 165680 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325393257 710345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Does the new kind-lifting stuff in GHC let me have type-level rational literals?
< 1325393630 859842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year folks
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< 1325394356 30573 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, update
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< 1325394982 732150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome van3
< 1325394985 710665 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :van3: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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< 1325395507 842510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] very soft and savory with a hint of ammonia." --[[Brie]]
< 1325395515 231556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicate ammonia flavours.
< 1325395653 28293 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna create a language and call it Computer Language Especially Atrociously Named Ex Retronym.
< 1325395917 285560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Crass. Only ocular lenses should take over really yawnful brands. Really ostentatious.
< 1325395921 252091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaner is stupid
< 1325395921 573919 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, it has to be recursively acronymed! *wink*
< 1325395929 369622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how all three of us responded at once.
< 1325395932 509351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minutes after the original message.
< 1325395975 306018 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was waiting for the next train while diligently searching for free Wi-Fis
< 1325396003 226388 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect moment to answer such message.
< 1325396192 918224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just assumes tswett decoded his CLEVER HIDDEN MESSAGE.
< 1325396210 487848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year elliott 
< 1325396220 717872 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy new year
< 1325396296 182334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly loads'a effort vanquished egregious retardations, hailing immaculate decisions deduced excellently, natch. Must emissaries so slowly aggregate greater extensionality?
< 1325396364 612772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325396396 358788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no sympathy for drunk me do you elliott 
< 1325396422 476011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Happy axiomatically passing pages, yes. Never entirely wishful, ye ending alienates really epic lying losers. Oh, tut tut.
< 1325396490 123747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed an i
< 1325396505 61507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325396512 39558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*losers, idiot.
< 1325396550 911169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
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< 1325396583 480615 :kallisti!~eris@h69-129-164-136.nlsnga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1325396660 322280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You, oak underneath, hellishly amputate viral exoskeletons. Nashville, Oklahoma, Sydney: You may pass all these houses, yet for only raucous drunkness realise ugliness' new kin. Masculinity exits, dodos opine. Yeah, only umbral exegeses light likenesses, in other terms: tawdry.
< 1325396737 319066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*likenesses;
< 1325396737 475422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you may have missed updates
< 1325396773 733675 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge
< 1325396775 829937 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother of god ...
< 1325397081 518694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all real exogenous yeomen originate under sexually urban crushing herbal arid dungeons. only underground citizens have exceptionally badass gregarious selves.
< 1325397084 577816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325397112 648387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you such a douche bgs?
< 1325397119 83980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know whether I'm such a douche bgs.
< 1325397163 434692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :baf ass should have been two words
< 1325397170 613362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive me, i'm drunk
< 1325397190 786743 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1325397205 749330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just came back now, saw the message starting "You, oak underneath, hellishly amputate..." and immediately understood what it meant... you aren't hiding anything, really...
< 1325397262 660739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Fortunately, opium-red grass imitates vain endings. Moreover, entities' idolaters move drunk robotic understandings. Never know.
< 1325397419 858275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :such ostentatious drivel. really underestimating new krewlness
< 1325397454 844046 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree @ elliorr
< 1325397462 413729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tt
< 1325397470 899985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sod runk indeed.
< 1325397648 272402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325397689 257111 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what zzo38 said
< 1325397732 253826 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prior statement was an attempt at a joke, which I am now aborting.
< 1325397733 382912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what zzo38 said is "You, oak underneath, hellishly amputate..." translates to "you aren't hiding anything, really..."
< 1325397760 665016 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie.
< 1325397801 228819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"saw the message starting X and immediately understood what it meant... Y" is akin to "X translates to Y"
< 1325397842 950775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with temporal qualifiers removed
< 1325398889 48457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325398999 602760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs zzo38 
< 1325399019 578361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year zzo38 ... in a couple hours
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< 1325399612 698838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which year is it in china?
< 1325400075 322184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: No. That isn't what it translates to.
< 1325400078 783535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what I meant.
< 1325400127 720454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know what year it is in China, but I know when Chinese New Year is (although it only applies when using Chinese calendar; even in China they do not use it all the time as far as I can tell)
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< 1325400358 326334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the timezones in China? I don't know what all the timezones of the world are, although I could look it up in a book or in Wikipedia
< 1325400502 137253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good frontend for gnuplot?
< 1325400503 427042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1325400512 199859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's good software for generating a plot of a sinwave?
< 1325400520 871899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sin/$& /
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< 1325401237 160014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when tne chinese new year happens what animal will it be
< 1325401381 301394 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that either
< 1325401445 162409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325401619 177257 :Guest64412!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP
< 1325401672 513147 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Bye!
< 1325403927 540137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325404510 176957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325404514 161173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet just died /badly/
< 1325404518 303628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on 3G atm
< 1325404528 346753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it is connected but it just doesn't work
< 1325404563 552248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works
< 1325404573 529043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, obviously my 3G works
< 1325404576 223029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not my ADSL
< 1325404577 68663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1325404604 601722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325404632 879722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, but the 3G is so much slower and also restricted to my laptop unless I setup some fancy sharing or something
< 1325404709 809147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kay!
< 1325404790 219625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now my ADSL works intermittently, will keep the chat over 3G for a bit until it stabilised...
< 1325404976 124280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325405222 899329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and switching back
< 1325405851 379467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325406015 504954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325408125 340260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1325413944 706061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325415256 921181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325415564 512359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325416031 47113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325416819 20955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> CTCP QUIT?
< 1325416862 929182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's times like these when it's annoying to read the logs, when they don't include everything people are talking about :(
< 1325416884 73696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ *cough*
< 1325416910 365233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I think they should include non-channel PRIVMSGs too.
< 1325416928 272167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um i was assuming that was sent to the channel?
< 1325416942 531660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be; that was an irrelated comment.
< 1325416997 105634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically on a channel as experimental as #esoteric, a logbot shouldn't filter out information, not even malformed such
< 1325417018 106104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i know about the raw logs)
< 1325417039 268247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWDOESTHISAPPEARINMYLOGS
< 1325417088 797964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, my bouncer doesn't log CTCP either. What a multiball.
< 1325417109 865068 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1325417337 573520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the bad old days, a CTCP PING +++ATH0 used to drop a number of people.
< 1325417368 408450 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325417395 420932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as "ping -p 2b2b2b415448300d0a".
< 1325417417 304783 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325417423 394541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also the variant which dials up a phone sex number afterwards.)
< 1325417497 984260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> elliott: don't you do C++ sudoku for fun sometimes? <-- what is C++ sudoku?  i assume it's nothing as boring as programming sudoku in C++
< 1325417597 993488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's just "C++ as a time-wasting brain exercise".
< 1325417713 183839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Vorpal: You know how people play Sudoku as a time-wasting brain exercise?
< 1325417713 340159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> C++ is like that, but better.
< 1325417713 340344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1325417713 340467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I failed at C++ Sudoku for the first time today :(
< 1325417713 340574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> it is not possible to create a boolean type such that "if (True)" works but
< 1325417713 829040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : "if (True && 9)" doesn't
< 1325417715 643670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1325417717 738888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> monqy: c++ sudoku is my invention and mine alone, also im the only known player, you should try though, you just need a copy of the C++0x features list, a recent g++ compiler, and an ability to forget that things aren't jokes
< 1325417776 779487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325417862 8099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1325418054 2326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1325418054 158885 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1325418054 811326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1325418055 133446 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\  >\  |\     |     /'\ /'\ /<      |     /´\  |\  >\
< 1325418055 289470 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_|¯`¯|_)                /'\
< 1325418055 289580 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                    (_| |_)
< 1325418074 763694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was testing if it did anything different with +c off
< 1325418139 395356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a 5\o/
< 1325418139 877103 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              |
< 1325418140 200116 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             /`\
< 1325418154 534164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, no color-following; now it just looks like an excessively angry dude.
< 1325418163 727452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :explosive man
< 1325418198 517400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for it to pretend the color code had a width
< 1325418257 450825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it also doesn't mind \5o/
< 1325418257 772987 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                  |
< 1325418258 214552 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                 /´\
< 1325418282 823271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good.
< 1325418288 736843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses all those strange control codes itself (which i cannot see in irc but which show up in the logs)
< 1325418303 745244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/
< 1325418304 107018 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1325418304 429772 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/<
< 1325418332 537135 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ideas:1,1\o/
< 1325418333 20751 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           |
< 1325418333 383006 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           |\
< 1325418349 849144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the blockhead.
< 1325418364 851299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,0    \m/ \m/
< 1325418365 174183 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     `\o/´69
< 1325418365 497551 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       |
< 1325418365 653811 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   (_|¯'\
< 1325418365 653991 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        |_)
< 1325418392 350275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 isn't black?
< 1325418397 636108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is black
< 1325418401 328496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is white.
< 1325418412 281773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :     1,1\m/ \m/
< 1325418412 604972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      `\o/´69
< 1325418412 927956 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        |
< 1325418413 84379 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       /´\
< 1325418413 84558 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     (_| |_)
< 1325418472 924702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1,1\o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1325418473 248210 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1325418473 732369 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /|  /<   |\     |      |\ /<  /|      |     /<   |\ /`\
< 1325418473 888813 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /´¯|_)                /'\
< 1325418473 888994 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_|                   (_| |_)
< 1325418559 935671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<PiRSquared17> Finnmark is RELLLLAAAALKLLL~! <-- how sad that i broke him
< 1325418591 801275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a screwy set of colors, but OTOH no-one seems to be able to agree on what the 16 terminal colors should look like,  beyond the overall "four bits stand for IBGR, more or less" direction.
< 1325418593 912967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's Hordaland when you want some hordes
< 1325418626 959899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all us ops are from Oppland, naturally
< 1325418652 255730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 15
< 1325418663 414196 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vananistaan riippulstetys hahteessämme säisimpieskiehum pelömme muodollamme pohjakavakiirtämiä saanemiltäni pitämällään mella mallani tupelakommillomiksi ulkevyempinertä ahdistuttavissa kateuttamme
< 1325418674 823647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rogues come from Rogaland
< 1325418701 940004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically norwegian counties contain all the names you need for a proper D&D game
< 1325418728 738992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of long-ish real words there, "muodollamme", "pitämällään", "ahdistuttavissa", "kateuttamme".
< 1325418741 745940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 15
< 1325418745 361236 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sursforsøk radiner tankaperapen logien fasissamlovertykksamvir tillene dampbevistilla formeieorierordr trafikaeneruneskyla yrkeroinstor marbehandle mimregn hodeltaktet tingsbehandpla hovektens
< 1325418771 173372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sursforsøk is clearly a scientific term
< 1325418799 413481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and biologists have seeked long for the mysterious tankaperape
< 1325418837 618888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when your proofs are not up to steam, use dampbevistilla
< 1325418864 401493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :marbehandle sounds like the kind of treatment you want to avoid
< 1325418874 20367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is: "with our shape", "with the thing e held", "in the anxiety-inducing" and "our regret" in the partitive case, i.e. used as an object.)
< 1325418879 487469 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :marbehandle sounds like a Dwarf Fortress
< 1325418884 337383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mimregn is like rain, except it makes no sound
< 1325418934 98553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325418934 743692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't know how much ho you have, use a hovekt
< 1325418970 787970 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have always wanted to know how much ho i have
< 1325418976 593373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just get a ho-over. A phantom such.
< 1325418979 696271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after which you can split them with the hodeltakt
< 1325419014 401562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, so you want a hovekt with type indices?
< 1325419064 798844 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ho is very precious to me; i want only the best
< 1325419090 582793 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325419092 745130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all your hovekt manipulation functions formally verified?
< 1325419104 564179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd could not deal with all these hos.
< 1325419106 337731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but is it a forward or backward ho?
< 1325419121 783218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry -a
< 1325419122 589544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hos only go one way, you dolt.
< 1325419135 690457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mass noun
< 1325419149 151669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho only goes one way, you dolt.
< 1325419155 389355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1325419162 601406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always forward ho, check
< 1325419224 374830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho also means "she" in nynorsk
< 1325419252 271734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho ho ho?
< 1325419280 527821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and who wouldn't want some nice dried radiner
< 1325419318 524860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english 15
< 1325419322 112890 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english
< 1325419325 900474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325419335 803280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/words
< 1325419339 152124 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20211
< 1325419356 617179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 15
< 1325419361 613255 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eed fix hornicagli splum donary puftyfrydic signie mufk quho ston legealessio lehing incaryfev navige hon
< 1325419366 48188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one problem with inserting norwegian into english sentences is whether to strip suffixes or not - if you don't strip the definite suffix it feels wrong whether you put a "the" in front or not)
< 1325419371 933357 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puftyfrydic, yum yum
< 1325419396 772613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've been to Incaryfev.
< 1325419416 520064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --irish 15
< 1325419419 584220 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'iora sceiltír spalasaí bpeir gcugan harfóra néivear m'uragaigh gcoirní staíl spiachánach ráfla sciméapa neamhbhreach m'easuaiméis
< 1325419424 119429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need some splum for the donary, hon
< 1325419454 99558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neamhbhreach is only a little implausible as an Irish name.
< 1325419468 981686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you know irish?
< 1325419469 466120 :baesemada!baesemada@151.81.169.193 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325419475 989851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know Irish names.
< 1325419505 250669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're characterised by 'h'es where no 'h'es should there be.
< 1325419590 155624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02:39: <Ngevd> @messages
< 1325419590 312093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02:39: <lambdabot> Phantom__Hoover said 1h 13m 41s ago: CRITICAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE: elliott lives in the Abbey, move to intercept.
< 1325419596 587005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham will never be the same
< 1325419818 897622 :baesemada!baesemada@151.81.169.193 QUIT :
< 1325420143 23084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott just assumes tswett decoded his CLEVER HIDDEN MESSAGE. <-- ejatdhCHM?  that makes no sense man
< 1325420208 168039 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's backwards for MHChdtaje.
< 1325420212 792456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1325420251 890698 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-230-64.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325420252 407339 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-230-64.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1325420432 627785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:13: <lahwran> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge
< 1325420432 784123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:15: <lahwran> mother of god ...
< 1325420440 549072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, more like the opposite, i'd say
< 1325420447 584951 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325420491 506347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :opposite of mother of god.
< 1325420492 379732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog fo rehtom
< 1325420506 127234 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :god of mothers?
< 1325420511 894767 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :father of god?
< 1325420520 891593 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother of satan?
< 1325420528 333785 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go on for hours, which one do you mean?
< 1325420529 360804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting close
< 1325420540 245127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: well which one fits with malbolge?
< 1325420554 306066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pun appreciation lessons
< 1325420559 337295 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mother of god" works nicely
< 1325420564 889080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbgure bs tbq
< 1325420576 723818 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mother+of+god
< 1325420583 471737 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If something unbelieveable happens or is so unexpected and you cant believe your eyes, you can then say 'Mother of GOD!'"
< 1325420585 919285 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case :3
< 1325420633 783549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's not punny enough.
< 1325420654 262814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wordplay, whatever
< 1325420806 250340 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy reading gender-related holy wars on reddit, can't think about puns
< 1325420832 888653 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: Solution: Stop reading Reddit.
< 1325420845 591999 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeaahhh that's a good idea
< 1325420849 312393 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit is stupid. Especially "gender-related holy wars" on it.
< 1325420891 944698 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :"holy wars" on the internet in general are stupid, but very entertaining
< 1325420894 602103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't visit the reddit front page any more these days.
< 1325420913 661185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy wars as in
< 1325420943 258402 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Reddit front page is OK once you unsubscribe from every single subreddit.
< 1325420944 65809 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you're right and I'm wrong, and I won't listen to reason even if you're not trying to disagree with me" kinda stuff
< 1325420961 238742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm not logged in, so i mean the default set
< 1325420962 690767 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens a lot with programming languages, too. perl vs python, anyone?
< 1325420966 428468 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325420991 602235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard a proper perl vs python
< 1325420998 968854 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not logged in either.
< 1325421014 294262 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really log in to websites anymore.
< 1325421020 490240 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: honestly, I haven't either
< 1325421058 380502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what use is a holy war if both sides are wrong
< 1325421075 824190 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need that qualifier on there
< 1325421076 962308 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Eliminating wrong people from both sides.
< 1325421083 337042 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what war is about.
< 1325421097 896055 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general holy wars imply that any aggressive side is wrong :P
< 1325421104 562737 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, often the unaggressive sides too
< 1325421151 955356 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a holy war with my pants -- in particular the knee area.
< 1325421154 375108 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm losing. :-(
< 1325421167 35098 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1325421186 869541 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud to say the knees of my pants have stayed mostly assembled in recent years
< 1325421188 173338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pants and I have a mutual respect
< 1325421204 179845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in a holy war with god.  it's rather frustrating.
< 1325421243 769792 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A holier-than-thou war?
< 1325421292 409083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the guy just won't come to his senses
< 1325421406 751874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i keep saying "making a universe where suffering is a building block, that's just atrocious" but he just won't have any of it.
< 1325421667 703778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't you just _fix_ it already?" "*THUNDERBOLT*"
< 1325421713 646549 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahahaha
< 1325421719 312304 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n/b/
< 1325421968 553295 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325422003 114167 :mr_schlauch!threeohthr@wololo.at.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325422216 130415 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325422261 634405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye!
< 1325422263 184922 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1325424551 31808 :kallisti!~eris@h72.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325424551 353685 :kallisti!~eris@h72.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1325424551 509954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325424557 688070 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARISE COMPUTER
< 1325424560 47692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SUMMON THEW
< 1325424562 661593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after playing some Skyrim
< 1325424565 184555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've decided
< 1325424591 361461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm not going to spend money on what is essentially a huge, monotonous, buggy, unbalanced game.
< 1325424771 12151 :kallisti_!~eris@h72.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325424815 515270 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1325425614 506011 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I think for the first time ever wikipedia's donation drive is behind its budget.
< 1325425682 693772 :kallisti_!~eris@h72.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PART :#esoteric
< 1325425689 927150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to come up with an actual fundraiser if they want to keep drawing millions from the general public
< 1325425708 177151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what's the difference between an "actual fundraiser" and what they're doing.
< 1325425715 434924 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't give them money, they'll give me more faces, and I love the faces
< 1325425738 666431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think their fundraider campaign is kind of poorly executed.
< 1325425751 871804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fundraider!
< 1325425755 820765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yes
< 1325425761 691739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough fun raiding
< 1325425763 971848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more raids
< 1325425779 649575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should have stuck to the "here's the bar showing how much money we need"
< 1325425782 702316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the faces.
< 1325425793 112040 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1325425794 875907 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :facesssssss
< 1325425795 844355 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faces are good
< 1325425800 787202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faces are friend
< 1325425801 110924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked fine in the past, and gave people an indication that there is a need to donate.
< 1325425815 749473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could even have faces /and/ the progress bar.
< 1325425820 550637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,,,,,,,
< 1325425822 942977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress bar made of faces
< 1325425826 634542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325425840 822092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :face made of bars
< 1325425844 18711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give more money to get more faces
< 1325425847 1294 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everyone will donate
< 1325425863 874125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. all the donate.
< 1325425868 980421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the faces do is attract people to click and read their shitty advertising spiel.
< 1325425875 513447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1325425885 40515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they attract people to look at faces
< 1325425892 52669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to admire the faces
< 1325425897 807553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all so facetious
< 1325425984 162731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1325425990 851141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi I got idea for game
< 1325425993 732327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :super game.
< 1325425995 707936 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but complicated
< 1325426005 380175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you flip a face but it's really really big
< 1325426006 509988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I shouldn't plan so comlpicatedly
< 1325426034 297464 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's like RPG + RTS
< 1325426052 834903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ maybe dynamically generated storyline/world but I doubt I'll be good at that.
< 1325426066 733960 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely randomly generated world would be nice.
< 1325426106 463153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea started as a desire to have an RPG where careful consideration and planning are required
< 1325426108 640682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can go back in time and kill the royal family and everything is different
< 1325426122 141892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with magic, for example, you can't just run around and throw fireballs everywhere.
< 1325426152 975531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only throw them where they wont hurt anyone
< 1325426181 619461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if  you're in a forest, the forest will catch on fire. also, good spells are slow and require no interruptions. Anything fast is either a) not very strong b) drains a lot of magical resources (I haven't decided what that is)
< 1325426193 752945 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forest fires mean more things dead
< 1325426195 405889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1325426197 511207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325426199 137516 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325426204 568937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if there is an enemy wizard
< 1325426207 786617 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could conjure rain.
< 1325426208 594311 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead
< 1325426210 245638 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325426213 540118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try megafire
< 1325426218 892774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thumbs up)
< 1325426227 567798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :megarain though
< 1325426245 712312 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1325426277 702862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also another idea is to have the game progress from a small scale to large scale while being interesting the entire time.
< 1325426279 476444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do recommend nuclear blast
< 1325426286 620014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, to start with you'd be one person. the main hero character.
< 1325426309 315563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sort of like battles in brutal legend
< 1325426314 771682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd develop a following, and eventually you would control a town, then a county, then a kingdom.
< 1325426336 862590 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B60B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325426337 186969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't if I actually want to do that.
< 1325426347 495767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont want to do that
< 1325426349 634661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just having a small city under your control would be good enough.
< 1325426359 479487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1325426359 964007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a game company with resources to do it for you
< 1325426367 544856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd rather focus on a small group of awesome hero characters than armies and stuff
< 1325426407 420124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I see it working is you have military squads that you can train, but all of the epic questy stuff would be handled by your heros
< 1325426414 148920 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1325426415 699939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like
< 1325426417 926909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game I'll never make
< 1325426421 178924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I've thought about a lot recently
< 1325426431 599746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be a game company
< 1325426434 978303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the entire game company
< 1325426435 786136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at once
< 1325426441 634363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a hivemind
< 1325426442 603524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah man
< 1325426445 306674 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing a game
< 1325426480 528362 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dream existence is as a hivemind
< 1325426488 466524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hivemind of robots
< 1325426490 747868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps hiveminds
< 1325426500 326221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my existence hive is a dream of minds.
< 1325426507 992895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a good dream or a nightmare
< 1325426546 174139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dream existence is of mind hives
< 1325426565 317761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dream dream is of dream dreams
< 1325426648 94586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm cole slaw
< 1325426660 922646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does cole mean
< 1325426663 292647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also slaw
< 1325426677 337353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coles law
< 1325426683 468004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colesl aw
< 1325426684 113530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cole is cabbage, slaw is salad
< 1325426700 505054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "coleslaw" arose in the 18th century as an Anglicisation of the Dutch term "koolsla", a shortening of "koolsalade", which means "cabbage salad".[2] It is originally from Ireland and was made at the end of the month from leftover vegetables and cream.
< 1325426704 480259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325426723 134250 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coleslaw is good except when it isn't
< 1325426729 646961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325426738 241050 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"closeup of Kentucky Fried Chicken's coleslaw" WHYYYY
< 1325426744 751588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1325426758 476110 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enlarged for texture
< 1325426762 551404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make the worst
< 1325426764 881955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious coleslaw texture
< 1325426765 37541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES WIKIPEDIA RUIN EVERY FOOD WITH PICTURES OF SHITTY VERSIONS OF THAT FOOD
< 1325426790 604021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the picture good at least
< 1325426809 252429 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :artistically
< 1325426845 900172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's some shitty grits I got no
< 1325426875 467656 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KFC_coleslaw.JPG
< 1325426886 160213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm grits
< 1325426888 758766 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1325426894 415592 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine cabbage now imagine KFC sucks
< 1325427025 611309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only retouching they did was a crop
< 1325427044 442453 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad to in all other respects witness the unadulterated glory of kfc coleslaw
< 1325427056 204269 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :viesual respects i mean
< 1325427063 63327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for some of them
< 1325427158 343432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325427496 817095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick_stew
< 1325427502 267310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love brunswick stew.
< 1325427504 42142 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so goood.
< 1325427592 293934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont make me hungry when there is no food
< 1325427652 404474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_American_cuisine
< 1325427662 361586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken
< 1325427675 585901 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuits_and_gravy
< 1325427707 337887 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumbo
< 1325427718 810166 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the american quisine picture is a burger, great
< 1325427718 966439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambalaya
< 1325427725 126677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah I found that funny
< 1325427747 650180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushpuppy
< 1325427773 652094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not click on food pron
< 1325427794 362268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's informative it has words
< 1325427800 326784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you want education
< 1325427804 704715 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food education
< 1325427830 421727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hungry!
< 1325427873 968649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_and_dumplings
< 1325427880 691838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornbread
< 1325427887 97613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_butter
< 1325427894 478781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chow-chow
< 1325427907 997941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Ni%C3%A8r_beurre_National_Trust_for_Jersey_2007_a.jpg yum yum
< 1325427917 298445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti is hating me :(
< 1325427931 805179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_green_tomatoes_(food)
< 1325427940 258980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Here's your sine wave: https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=lc&chd=t:-1&chs=250x150&chfd=0,x,0,6.28,0.1,sin(x)*50%2b50
< 1325427949 471993 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_gravy
< 1325427951 606842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i seeing here monqy
< 1325427968 688190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd know if you clicked kallisti's links!!
< 1325428014 452966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was having a drunken conversation with someone and they started talking about audio stuff in relation to films and they kind of knew what spectrograms were but I wanted to clarify by showing a pure sine tone and its corresponding spectrogram.
< 1325428022 26185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just tell me
< 1325428026 829525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: foods
< 1325428032 492140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making black butter in Jersey - wikepid
< 1325428040 448018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325428041 952779 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first image on the appel buter page
< 1325428043 405759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm not sure you can get Google's image chart API to make a spectrogram, sadly.
< 1325428068 143180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a metal-melting forge to make black butter it seems
< 1325428084 121745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay I could have just drawn a vertical line on a 2D chart somewhere :P
< 1325428086 782539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would you butter the apples
< 1325428091 495516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are hard!
< 1325428122 894503 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have "apple houses" here
< 1325428126 321007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just sell all apple
< 1325428129 446716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff
< 1325428143 791497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tons of different kinds of apples, apple cider, apple butter, apple fritters, apple pie.
< 1325428150 73334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably other things made of apples that I didn't know existed
< 1325428153 200050 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple chips
< 1325428156 730435 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes.
< 1325428198 338281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple sauce
< 1325428244 604546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple iBook.
< 1325428249 966973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325428252 912457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad
< 1325428262 638490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very nutritioys
< 1325428262 962198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple iRack
< 1325428415 677484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a pun on Iraq ..
< 1325428421 612200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is.
< 1325428446 878471 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple macintosh, yum yum
< 1325428586 853653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a garlic-themed restaurant in Helsinki, they do some a bit strange garlicy things. (Like garlic beer and garlic ice-cream.)
< 1325428628 544713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yecch
< 1325428697 468789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocochip waffles?
< 1325428729 249587 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :garlic chocochip garlic waffles
< 1325428740 432231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :garlic garlic in a garlic sauce
< 1325428760 978151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you order a whole bulb of garlic.
< 1325428768 571393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dips it in garlic butter
< 1325428797 202202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's not on the menu, but I'm pretty sure you could.
< 1325428799 461105 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maorp
< 1325428811 600247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's a viking-themed restaurant chain that sells tar ice-cream.
< 1325428819 793337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1325428830 816814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely unique, but top Google hits about "tar ice cream" seem to be about it.
< 1325428840 394654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar is not food
< 1325428849 549786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://susan-stepney.blogspot.com/2011/06/tar-ice-cream.html <-- see, #1 hit is some computational blogger blogging about it.
< 1325428863 525096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too bad.
< 1325428910 655456 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat ice cream tarpit?
< 1325428915 311734 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the smallest ice cream?
< 1325428931 817766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ice cream with the least amount of instructions.
< 1325428943 314649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just read that
< 1325428950 160776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :she seems to think it is nice
< 1325428972 547798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's what turing tarpit was originally coined to mean.
< 1325429048 684895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a small but thriving community on the Internet of hobbyists who program in and design esoteric programming languages." -- haha Wikipedia
< 1325429066 98663 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a citation
< 1325429076 430800 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325429079 152121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont buy it
< 1325429081 260392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The esolang community is active sporadically, and topics of discussion range from debate as to whether a language is Turing-complete to how one would go about representing abstract and hard to visualise mathematical concepts in a programming environment. There is a mailing list, but it is nearly abandoned and most discussion happens on the wiki (see below) or on IRC."
< 1325429112 298517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :other topics include: apple butter and garlic-themed restaurants.
< 1325429116 914073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia.............................
< 1325429126 204330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it gives
< 1325429129 270290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcoad as its
< 1325429132 39843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firsst iexampel
< 1325429133 631791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bad
< 1325429155 638632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :first example should be Malbolge
< 1325429200 268839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :('&%:9]!~}|z2Vxwv-,POqponl$Hjig%eB@@>}=<M:9wv6WsU2T|nm-,jcL(I&%$#" `CB]V?Tx<uVtT`Rpo3NlF.Jh++FdbCBA@?]!~|4XzyTT43Qsqq(Lnmkj"Fhg${z@>
< 1325429276 64058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their Befunge Hello World uses a nonstandard 3x2 print loop, but I suppose that's justifiable, because the standard 5x1 >:#,_ is not "2D" at all.
< 1325429543 553358 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As ... blah as Cyanide and Happiness is, I do like the time travel strips, I think
< 1325429559 28496 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a year. Apparently since 2006
< 1325429601 945867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :S "I like station v3" geo
< 1325429680 231152 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was waiting for that to come up
< 1325430053 9575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I officially hate commentors on dilbert.com
< 1325430079 22418 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, two people think Oxytocin is a misspelling.
< 1325430151 188747 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-31/
< 1325430324 981172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i officially hate dilbert
< 1325430336 16400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scott adams too
< 1325431074 494806 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes.
< 1325431082 56726 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that time of year where I have to remember to update copyright lines.
< 1325431151 477826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just write them so they dont have to be updated?
< 1325431219 114502 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then they wouldn't be legally correct ...
< 1325431398 866533 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1325431419 941456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :under which law?
< 1325432324 506373 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325432359 863402 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1325432691 822198 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: None I suppose, under Berne you don't need a copyright notice at all *shrugs*
< 1325432744 402823 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a copyright notice can defeat a defense of "innocent infringement"
< 1325432773 104837 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a VCS that can tell me when I need to update copyright notices 8-D
< 1325432782 201614 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a plugin for Mercurial to do that ...
< 1325432822 826717 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just not put the year into the copyright notice
< 1325432838 32198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some GNU files have such a careful correspondence between "years mentioned in the copyright notice" and "edits that touched the file in the VCS" that one might believe they use some kind of a tool.
< 1325435010 211394 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325435097 155715 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325435491 56799 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I want to know -cafe's opinion of conduits?
< 1325435505 119742 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the rest of cafe as stupid as that person in the thread?
< 1325435687 915920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325435952 911056 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-234-37.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1325436022 749159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325436034 949057 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mildy surprised that http://hackage.haskell.org/package/piet exists
< 1325436074 975763 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-167-140.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325436213 349704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: There's a -- rather vaguely specified -- P programming language http://oshs.sourceforge.net/docs/oshs-osfil.ud-P.html in the equally vapoury OSHS, "The Operating System of The Holy Spirit".
< 1325436215 355780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pietiful
< 1325436244 694948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A few hundreths of kilobytes, eh?
< 1325436280 778795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW, a few dozen bytes.
< 1325436307 964842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how holy it is. (In related news, I haven't yet found out what makes OSHS holy at all; all the stuff that's in there seems to be just about the technical side of it.)
< 1325436335 972949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:23:17: <oerjan> basically on a channel as experimental as #esoteric, a logbot shouldn't filter out information, not even malformed such
< 1325436345 62309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Pings? NAMES lists?
< 1325436345 261357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325436371 490345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:31:37: <oerjan> <ais523> elliott: don't you do C++ sudoku for fun sometimes? <-- what is C++ sudoku? i assume it's nothing as boring as programming sudoku in C++
< 1325436371 685566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:33:17: <fizzie> IIRC it's just "C++ as a time-wasting brain exercise".
< 1325436384 698926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With an eye towards treating it as a functional language. Especially if you do it at compile-time.
< 1325436393 114875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:35:13: <fizzie> <elliott> I failed at C++ Sudoku for the first time today :(
< 1325436393 311684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:35:13: <fizzie> <elliott> it is not possible to create a boolean type such that "if (True)" works but
< 1325436393 311865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:35:13: <fizzie> "if (True && 9)" doesn't
< 1325436393 311974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I later figured this out, BTW.
< 1325436396 848736 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Re logs: See raw logs. I can't turn every line into something meaningful, but the raw logs never fail.
< 1325436397 523986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325436436 99 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He just said "I know about timed hit^W^Wraw logs" on the next line or so.
< 1325436459 779904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not the bit about timed hits. In retrospect, putting quote marks around that was probably a mistake.
< 1325436461 404969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1325436509 575480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You /could/ add unknown lines raw to the text logs (past parsing who sent them).
< 1325436526 526728 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I /could/
< 1325436531 79646 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /choose/ not to ^^
< 1325436563 254454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15:43: <oerjan> * elliott just assumes tswett decoded his CLEVER HIDDEN MESSAGE. <-- ejatdhCHM? that makes no sense man
< 1325436563 483184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:48: <monqy> it's backwards for MHChdtaje.
< 1325436563 483371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:52: <oerjan> ah.
< 1325436563 483477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325436598 524908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YunXttm?
< 1325436609 614492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so?
< 1325436789 918058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1325436818 264083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00:53: <Sgeo> I officially hate commentors on dilbert.com
< 1325436824 318964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You could try not reading dilbert.com.
< 1325436842 98417 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s better than XKCD.
< 1325436862 102362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the author of xkcd isn't a scumbag :P
< 1325436863 372870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:18:02: <Gregor> It's that time of year where I have to remember to update copyright lines.
< 1325436863 567391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:19:11: <quintopia> why not just write them so they dont have to be updated?
< 1325436863 567624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:20:19: <Gregor> Because then they wouldn't be legally correct ...
< 1325436875 854765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Most people just have the year be when the thing was last updated...
< 1325436891 233147 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you have to remember to do that when you /update/ it.
< 1325436910 533727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really :P
< 1325436913 131729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I wonder if I have arthritis, or some kind of joint problem.
< 1325436915 588648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just not put a year.
< 1325436924 345754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:47:02: <coppro> You could just not put the year into the copyright notice
< 1325436924 540509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that.
< 1325436947 911086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:43:33: <fizzie> Ngevd: There's a -- rather vaguely specified -- P programming language http://oshs.sourceforge.net/docs/oshs-osfil.ud-P.html in the equally vapoury OSHS, "The Operating System of The Holy Spirit".
< 1325436951 308763 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers kind of ache a lot lately, and then sometimes there's a sharp pain and I can't move my wrist very well for about a second or two.
< 1325436953 711832 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :This channel Copyright © 2005 Gregor Richards | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325436955 9778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, what *was* the context for this?
< 1325436963 405681 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Sounds RSIish.
< 1325436972 647657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from..... typing?>
< 1325436979 150235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I type a lot. and weirdly
< 1325436987 174309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: E was looking for single-letter-name programming languages a day or a few ago, and didn't find a P (just P'') at that time.
< 1325436988 762230 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one letter programming language names
< 1325437005 795110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you probably want to get a doctor to look at that.
< 1325437014 478044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a doctor? seriously? I'm shocked.
< 1325437018 324023 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctors fix medical problems?
< 1325437023 414175 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do
< 1325437028 595620 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others just time travel
< 1325437031 71372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, that is at least the goal
< 1325437034 652013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they just gave people drugs.
< 1325437040 482555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, if they are doctors in medicine
< 1325437196 932756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys have anything like that?
< 1325437211 435226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like RSI would be common with programmers and whatnot
< 1325437245 406035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully I don't have it
< 1325437270 154541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe I should learn how to type like a normal person
< 1325437290 536759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with 3 fingers on each hand? XD
< 1325437297 364376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325437307 699431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think that many people use all five fingers on each hand to type)
< 1325437313 926844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I let my middle finger do too much I think.
< 1325437321 455933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they kind of dance around the keyboard :P
< 1325437331 763108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a poor explanation though
< 1325437373 16725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't slept for over 24 hours. Going to sleep now. Hopefully I will kind of sync up with the time zone I live in that way.
< 1325437381 630454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya tomorrow
< 1325437384 76402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never works for me
< 1325437385 492201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good night
< 1325437412 363766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that doesn't work, you already fucked up
< 1325437429 447394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi do you ever get RSI you type a lot.
< 1325437449 635060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't "ever get" RSI, you just "get" RSI
< 1325437455 553005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered that it might be carpal tunnel, hth
< 1325437466 524690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously it's going to be so hard to type differently if that's what the problem is.
< 1325437489 984609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :install xwrits or sth
< 1325437501 854333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Patients with CTS experience numbness, tingling, or burning sensations in the thumb and fingers, in particular the index, middle fingers, and radial half of the ring fingers, which are innervated by the median nerve. Less-specific symptoms may include pain in the wrists or hands and loss of grip strength"
< 1325437508 622941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh. no I hadn't considered that. but that sounds pretty accurate.
< 1325437513 34644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun.
< 1325437530 238818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think you have anything like that (a) stop typing and (b) go and see a doctor
< 1325437548 578768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it'll get bad enough that you won't be able to type.
< 1325437555 395425 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typing is fun.
< 1325437557 134744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :type type type
< 1325437625 683432 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type if your nose
< 1325437631 93777 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nasal tunnel syndrome
< 1325437637 917612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/with/
< 1325437645 478950 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typo phonetically...
< 1325437645 844627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325437748 989640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalen%27s_maneuver  this does not cause any symptoms.
< 1325437786 560021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no -- 160 over 7 :/
< 1325437808 287332 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carpal_Tunnel_Syndrome,_Operation.jpg
< 1325437814 96081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks fun.
< 1325438501 799961 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh
< 1325438539 664045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: pls don't link things like that without some kind of rudimentary warning, i'm afraid of my hands now :p
< 1325438555 396297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way if you don't like looking at meaty human insides then don't click that link.
< 1325438563 329195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1325438564 630491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it isn't totally obvious from the filename.
< 1325438573 34666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1325438574 705735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin'
< 1325438588 103438 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys actually read links before you click them?
< 1325438672 397189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how they fixed carpal tunnel :'(
< 1325438712 621110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using sharp things to literally split the problem in half, of course. :P
< 1325438716 282145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide and conquer algorithm.
< 1325438721 677051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buy/by/
< 1325438772 674921 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how surgery is just really precise beneficial maiming.
< 1325438797 946348 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325438970 785123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he would enjoy learning how to do surgery but is way too clumsy and shakey to ever be good at it.
< 1325438993 513781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of one of those things where you can't fuck up without massive legal consequences.
< 1325439040 618472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes into work hungover. accidentally leaves bonesaw in someone's abdomen.
< 1325439132 468347 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a small language to play
< 1325439154 793370 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was I even doing with a bonesaw for a surgery involving the abdomen? no idea.
< 1325439179 7018 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potion by _why was promising but then I found out that it's unusable
< 1325439195 238788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pail
< 1325439213 442620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :network headache.
< 1325439230 789465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pail
< 1325439240 382882 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like MMO coding (also it isn't hosted anymore, but maybe you can change that!)
< 1325439251 553761 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325439292 142469 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott?
< 1325439338 66004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://catseye.tc/projects/pail/
< 1325439383 36985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: flogscript
< 1325439399 479340 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm in a zzo mood)
< 1325439432 794692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: if you learn flogscript you'll immediately become a leet golfer
< 1325439444 949716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, I think that's how it works.
< 1325439652 206039 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no docs
< 1325439839 462433 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :writen in php
< 1325439841 130648 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck
< 1325439913 445285 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want docs to be written in PHP?
< 1325440815 288945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, my feature request got promoted from feature request.
< 1325441278 386678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should that be "demoted".
< 1325441673 471475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325441740 587812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325441741 194703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 1h 29m 56s ago: Pings? NAMES lists?
< 1325441741 379723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said 1h 29m 3s ago: Re logs: See raw logs. I can't turn every line into something meaningful, but the raw logs never fail.
< 1325441841 487406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok maybe not pings.  NAMES lists could be useful.
< 1325441891 402646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <elliott> Gregor: You /could/ add unknown lines raw to the text logs (past parsing who sent them).  <Gregor> elliott: I /could/  <Gregor> I /choose/ not to ^^
< 1325441938 134073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's also somewhat about not knowing that the information _exists_ in the raw logs.
< 1325441974 501120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sigh.
< 1325441980 911828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you're trying to make me want to dust off ch2, it's working :P
< 1325441987 500309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :D
< 1325442031 760432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends whether Gregor will allow Haskell onto his bless-ed servers tho >:)
< 1325442096 218570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> WHY DOES WIKIPEDIA RUIN EVERY FOOD WITH PICTURES OF SHITTY VERSIONS OF THAT FOOD <-- clearly people geeky enough to edit wikipedia only eat at fast food restaurants.
< 1325442156 850487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unprejudiced
< 1325442187 48157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- oerjan "microwave lutefisk" oerjan
< 1325442233 889503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How do you know whether a QUIT results in a user leaving the channel in your log-baker? You don't do regular NAMES queries, so it should require unbounded lookback in the logs to determine that...
< 1325442261 80527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only mentioned those two terms together in order to point out you _cannot_ microwave lutefisk.  sheesh.
< 1325442284 102310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, and that's why you didn't have any :P
< 1325442297 894834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :check.
< 1325442327 735154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, however, have microwave pinnekjøtt.
< 1325442483 324603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumbo <-- the creole restaurant i knew about closed years ago :(
< 1325442728 266335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src length
< 1325442728 484102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :(
< 1325442732 998795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking piece of
< 1325442740 506794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1325442745 912157 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source length
< 1325442746 303706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :length not available
< 1325442756 901513 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between src and source?
< 1325442758 713164 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src maybe
< 1325442759 104405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe n _ Nothing  = n
< 1325442759 291493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe _ f (Just x) = f x
< 1325442760 80152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: *BZZT* WRONG
< 1325442760 907701 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source maybe
< 1325442761 302212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not available
< 1325442774 945557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source Prelude
< 1325442775 754457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/base/Prelude.hs
< 1325442783 494067 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1325442789 658246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for modules.  i also suspect it's very outdated.
< 1325442811 926393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, ghc no longer uses darcs
< 1325442820 386395 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maybe undefined id (Just 5)
< 1325442821 342670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1325442833 550343 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting it to be overly strict
< 1325442834 522876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's irrelevant, darcs.haskell.org hosts git repos
< 1325442841 956793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay
< 1325442855 758391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it could not be overly strict without explicitly using seq, parametricity...
< 1325442881 633771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/base/ seems to be a checkout of http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/base.git/
< 1325442899 370269 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Haskell doesn't always go left to right in pattern matching?
< 1325442953 903447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: sure it does.
< 1325442957 341917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325442974 271200 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then why doesn't it die on pattern matching ... oh, I think I get it
< 1325442978 895515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id a = 42
< 1325442987 64244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foo
< 1325442987 240985 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because to pattern match there, it doesn't need to evaluate it
< 1325442990 387557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG id pattern-matches on its first argument, foo _|_ must = _|_
< 1325443007 259208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern-matching doesn't cause any kind of reduction itself, only discrimination
< 1325443009 873203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. constructors
< 1325443018 44075 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks
< 1325443022 93557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: in maybe n _ Nothing  = n, n is an irrefutable pattern and thus not strict.  only the last argument is actually evaluated to check the constructor.
< 1325443043 733380 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are functions in Haskell that are overly strict, and this makes me sad.
< 1325443090 166007 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I get it, thanks
< 1325443092 770396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it annoys me slightly that show for Chars is overly strict
< 1325443115 400261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (concatMap show)
< 1325443118 5346 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :show (undefined::Char)
< 1325443118 367820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i take it you read conal's blog or something
< 1325443119 277501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1325443120 576241 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (undefined::Char)
< 1325443121 483235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1325443137 698045 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've read the occasional post
< 1325443151 23465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1325443153 204949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (concatMap show)
< 1325443157 190358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1325443170 727466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what gave the "?
< 1325443184 824756 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show
< 1325443185 733697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\...
< 1325443204 439109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Oh, I assumed you were referring to
< 1325443207 202994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/blog/posts/functional-concurrency-with-unambiguous-choice
< 1325443207 568844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/blog/posts/merging-partial-values
< 1325443215 370549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/blog/posts/lazier-function-definitions-by-merging-partial-values
< 1325443217 560887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/blog/posts/lazier-functional-programming-part-1
< 1325443225 221509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/blog/posts/lazier-functional-programming-part-2
< 1325443229 414898 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had unamb-style stuff in mind, yeah
< 1325443233 965446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (undefined::Char)
< 1325443234 877513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1325443239 864456 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I only read some of those
< 1325443240 227655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait of course
< 1325443252 385944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's all that big a deal in practice.
< 1325443261 556812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the " is not for the explicit show, but for the implicit one lambdabot uses on the resulting String
< 1325443267 596039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the biggest fan of unamb, and the left-to-right behaviour is at least predictable.
< 1325443280 83506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it really needs to be in the language; HasLub sucks.
< 1325443291 409570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i could have told you that
< 1325443352 94302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The unsafePerformIO is actually safe in this situation because amb is deterministic when the precondition of unamb satisfied."
< 1325443362 384882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, unsafePerformIO is safe because unsafePerformIO is deterministic when the precondition of unsafePerformIO is satisfied.
< 1325443618 712232 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325443673 496817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1325443679 926767 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1325443709 671436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:43  oerjan> and the mueval-core timeout prevents any partial result from being printed at all.  or...
< 1325443712 892390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:43  oerjan> > "test" ++ fix id
< 1325443718 545389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" ++ fix id
< 1325443722 413092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1325443848 931386 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1325443853 396036 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix isn't in Prelude?
< 1325443859 314675 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle fix
< 1325443859 914360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Fix module Control.Monad.Fix
< 1325443860 108495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed module Data.Fixed
< 1325443860 108676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function fix :: (a -> a) -> a
< 1325443860 318598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not
< 1325443909 474487 :xandy!~xandy@unaffiliated/xandy QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1325443910 47382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1325444084 699376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome xandy
< 1325444087 965113 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xandy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325444179 384176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome everyone
< 1325444183 213044 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325444205 821440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Why thank you.
< 1325444258 911947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome FireFly
< 1325444259 948771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1325444261 173000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fizzie
< 1325444262 416787 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325444263 421192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swat FireFly
< 1325444264 824700 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325444266 829448 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swat: not found
< 1325444401 451714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan holds the swatopoly.
< 1325444737 678401 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325444996 606924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's no way i'm getting 200 rep today
< 1325445070 658450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have finally caught on to you being a disreputable scoundrel
< 1325445137 500934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. wait, didn't you get mad at me for calling someone a scoundrel once?
< 1325445211 843410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot possibly have done such a thing *erases evidence*
< 1325445269 526799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It would be quite a scoundrely thing to do.
< 1325445270 254290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i did, it would have been under circumstances where it might conceivable have been interpreted seriously.
< 1325445278 358107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ly
< 1325445280 535920 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325445305 894910 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325445309 11333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> <ehird> now who are you, scoundrel. <-- i'm going to assume you secretly know Tenacity from before, as otherwise i think this channel is _really_ going downhill
< 1325445322 814195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2009-09-07.)
< 1325445322 994811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm if contravariant functors are (b -> a) -> f a -> f b, are normal functors covariant
< 1325445338 994008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a newbie.  yes, it's a rather bad first channel impression.
< 1325445339 538722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right i remember, you had no idea that "scoundrel" was old-timey-sounding :P
< 1325445383 534698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and maybe.
< 1325445402 804466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure was hyper that day
< 1325445405 373819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops logreading
< 1325445424 36080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, so is there a name for class Cocontrafunctor f where wtfmap :: (a -> b) -> (b -> a) -> f a -> f b
< 1325445429 479958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have both covariant _and_ contravariant parts
< 1325445430 973168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.
< 1325445446 49234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data F a b = F (b -> a) (a, b)
< 1325445450 445454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot fathom to whom scoundrel would be old-timey-sounding
< 1325445454 513048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cocoafunctor, the sweetest of functions.
< 1325445469 731139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Allegedly it "evokes images of top hats and curled moustaches."
< 1325445476 62773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What doesn't.
< 1325445481 968066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You realise oerjan was punning?)
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< 1325445546 496485 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wtfmap looks useless
< 1325445552 936916 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what's the b -> a for?
< 1325445558 32770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_:
< 1325445558 396266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> where you have both covariant _and_ contravariant parts
< 1325445558 572317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> e.g.
< 1325445558 572497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> data F a b = F (b -> a) (a, b)
< 1325445561 876848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth hand
< 1325445577 337713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't give a Functor or Contrafunctor instance for F, but you can give it a Cocontrafunctor instance
< 1325445591 698194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah that bifunctor question?  i'm sure there's any term other than "bifunctor covariant in the first and contravariant in the second parameter"
< 1325445592 787978 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows nothing about Contrafunctor
< 1325445596 986150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I believe _every_ haskell ADT of the right kind has a Cocontrafunctor instance
< 1325445606 768972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: contramap :: (b -> a) -> fa -> f b
< 1325445623 496924 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1325445624 828689 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok
< 1325445635 547312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hm wait that wasn't what you were asking
< 1325445637 402272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: e.g. (a -> Bool) has a Contrafunctor instance
< 1325445638 313312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what question? I thought bifunctors were of kind (* -> * -> *)
< 1325445644 199926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/bifunctors/0.1.2/doc/html/Data-Bifunctor.html
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< 1325445667 458508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just assumed you were asking about a question i'd recently seen in -cafe or somewhere
< 1325445681 828842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325445707 81546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that wtfmap has a flaw
< 1325445711 921264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather
< 1325445718 950423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the law has to be to stop you writing
< 1325445740 695976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfmap f g (a,b) = (a, f (g (f b)))
< 1325445751 713232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ofc not allowed, you should only apply f and g to the right positions, once
< 1325445886 769130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> indeed I believe _every_ haskell ADT of the right kind has a Cocontrafunctor instance <-- i think that's the way free theorems based on parametricity usually look, no?
< 1325445919 99517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er what way
< 1325445922 26491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i'm dumb :(
< 1325445946 209837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: (a -> b, a, b)
< 1325445946 574619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall p q. h . p = q . g             =>              k p = q) => $map_Triple k g h f = f
< 1325445958 835921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1325446007 368694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ugly
< 1325446023 220958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: (a -> b, a)
< 1325446023 766321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall p q. h . p = q . g             =>              k p = q) => $map_Pair k g f = f
< 1325446038 378281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not
< 1325446049 960809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: a -> b
< 1325446050 325793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h . f = f . g
< 1325446052 558737 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no language 
< 1325446126 414273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: [a] -> a
< 1325446126 961472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . f = f . $map g
< 1325446169 408577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't quite sure what he meant
< 1325446220 118489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too :P
< 1325446248 782997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the Functor laws again? including the ones that are impossible to violate in Haskell
< 1325446262 407691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm, it's just fmap id = id isn't it, and that's a free theorem
< 1325446306 172728 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely with unsafeCoerce and unsafePerformIO, nothing is impossible to violate?
< 1325446320 96396 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, some things may be impossible to violate)
< 1325446347 418930 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like the whatchamacallit that says f _|_ = non-bottom and f non-bottom = _|_ is impossible
< 1325446372 120585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotonicity of information, or whatever
< 1325446384 988462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually stronger than that
< 1325446394 920316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _|_ [= f x for all x
< 1325446399 318508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where [= is a symbol i can't type
< 1325446405 141308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_|| but sideways
< 1325446422 935544 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessthanorequalto?
< 1325446423 880945 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<=
< 1325446436 170799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no.
< 1325446448 51247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think |_|| turned on its side looks like < with _ below it, you're blind
< 1325446460 46035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less-than-or-equally-defined-as
< 1325446505 837457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Commodore logo?! (Yeah, yeah, that's even further away; but [= is not much farther than the common C=.)
< 1325446653 161005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=c
< 1325446686 281558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fmap id = id and fmap (f . g) = fmap f . fmap g
< 1325446727 429638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _entirely_ a free theorem btw, you could do fmap' f = fmap (f $!)
< 1325446732 221413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm
< 1325446738 468860 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I think I've just understood the . thingy
< 1325446749 351241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't do anything to id
< 1325446813 800646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo_> (Like the whatchamacallit that says f _|_ = non-bottom and f non-bottom = _|_ is impossible <-- well, with unsafePerformIO and catch, you can cheat for some bottoms
< 1325446837 413350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... so wtfmap id id = id, wtfmap (f . g) (h . i) = wtfmap f h . wtfmap g i
< 1325446839 632600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free (a, a -> Int)
< 1325446840 154827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at Plugin/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:20-34
< 1325446844 808972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1325446844 990889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second one might ban wtfmap f g (a,b) = (a, f (g (f b))), dunno
< 1325446850 488081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: (a, a -> Int)
< 1325446851 34297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall k. h (k . g) = k) => $map_Pair g h f = f
< 1325446917 163175 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally they fixed it I can remove tags from the git
< 1325446998 152763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suspect you want some swapping in the latter equation
< 1325447036 173312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfmap (f . g) (h . i) = wtfmap f i . wtfmap g h
< 1325447042 52495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right
< 1325447069 867745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325447076 392251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course only if the right side types
< 1325447087 721911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh :P
< 1325447181 571710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ look like a categorical bifunctor map on the incoming end.  there's probably some name for it.
< 1325447268 857068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if it was wtfmap :: (a -> b) -> (a' -> b') -> bf a b' -> bf b a'  it would obviously be one
< 1325447334 296542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the categorical term for a bifunctor with its output parameters smushed together :P
< 1325447358 729190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1325447394 820921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for any adt you could probably separate the covariant and contravariant parts into two different parameters and get a genuine bifunctor that way
< 1325447399 573743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i find that a fairly odd way of thinking about it, even if the types do match up :P
< 1325447400 664423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325447404 604949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so turn
< 1325447419 744784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data F a = F (a -> Bool) a
< 1325447420 334853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into
< 1325447423 827366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data F a b = F (a -> Bool) b
< 1325447424 9325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325447440 793759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally strict fields can mess up the exact functor laws, i found the other day)
< 1325447462 737440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1325447547 401505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm I suppose you could do
< 1325447564 943876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Cocontra f where type Split f :: * -> * -> *; to :: f a -> Split f a a; fro :: Split f a a -> f a
< 1325447565 852751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1325447581 981522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325447602 418403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Functor laws are simply that it is an endofunctor from objects (x) to objects (f x) isn't it? While Arrow laws for arr are that it is a functor from (->) category to another category with the same objects isn't it?
< 1325447662 175510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I think it should be generalized to any input category and separate arr from the other things in Arrow
< 1325447803 520397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How do strict fields mess up the exact functor laws?
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< 1325447984 26002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: say if you have data T a = T1 !a | T2 , then you cannot get fmap (const ()) . fmap undefined = fmap (const ()) because fmap undefined will wipe out the constructor
< 1325448082 197810 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1325448084 191609 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz
< 1325448093 894846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, you are having fmap undefined anyways so it doesn't completely matter depending on opinion of such thing; the laws only have to work when defined, I think.
< 1325448119 289053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for many types such as [] and Maybe, the laws work always
< 1325448143 516345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1325448169 420121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, that is simply that you use strict stuff, can cause lazy stuff to stop working
< 1325448175 16696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is expected.
< 1325448403 693486 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feh, OS X's X11's fonts seem to have become screwy.
< 1325448705 851869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :150 over less than 4... yeah, not happening today.
< 1325448760 634186 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah a couple screaming, cursing and crying at each other in an airport.
< 1325448772 558760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hil...arious?
< 1325448778 932344 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I so enjoy the suffering of others 8-D
< 1325449205 934433 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no language for me
< 1325449234 363103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Itflabtijtslwi, hth
< 1325449268 317234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION le caqulesse evilment
< 1325450155 490665 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325450167 394812 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325451307 254368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Alan Turing year
< 1325451322 612964 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's create as many imaginitively Turing-Complete esolangs as we can!
< 1325451421 527500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what we always do?
< 1325451433 374324 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make even more!
< 1325451524 367190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we had an imaginatively TC esolang for a while?
< 1325451537 457229 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly Brook?
< 1325451542 452963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much every TC lang is TC for one of a few simple reasons
< 1325451547 551141 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not been proven TC yet
< 1325451550 526046 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Geom?
< 1325451557 614634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, remind me of how http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brook works again?
< 1325451659 194780 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a simple queue based linear-bounded automaton except for the c and C commands
< 1325451682 360314 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c pushes a char into the next stream, C pushes a number
< 1325451704 808853 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as a stream has enough characters to be executed unambiguously, it is
< 1325451724 780106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the original keeps executing? or stops?
< 1325451740 332373 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original pauses until the one below it can't keep on going
< 1325451748 245154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1325451765 356280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit like Muriel, but more awkward
< 1325451769 210092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got no explicit conditional or infinite loops
< 1325451781 287890 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1325451788 355688 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is implicit the word I want?
< 1325451842 155709 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, it's tricky to make it loop forever or on a condition
< 1325451861 498192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I see
< 1325451882 443795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is, that it has loops, but it's not obvious that it has conditionals
< 1325451928 3422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conditionals are comparatively easy
< 1325451934 826350 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infinites that aren't
< 1325451970 779318 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say "easy"
< 1325452005 441579 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to give any information to a higher stream
< 1325452024 310868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you give the user instructions to input any output
< 1325452028 675503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is cheating
< 1325452089 977378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do a conditional, you just do C, followed by instructions to write the rest of the program
< 1325452106 843279 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As 0(blah) doesn't run blah, but 1(blah) does
< 1325452187 35786 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article really needs a complete rewrite
< 1325452233 135866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs?? What is this witchcraft?
< 1325452255 147014 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a really weird dream last night involving witchcraft
< 1325452258 198376 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And US politics
< 1325452264 898924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dream
< 1325452266 874698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: well, the idea is you don't go to higher streams at all, surely?
< 1325452268 272869 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :190) <zzo38> catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 285) <nddrylliog> back to legal tender, that expression really makes me daydream. Like, there'd be black-market tender. Out-of-town hug shops where people exchange tenderness you've NEVER SEEN BEFORE. \ 297) <Phantom__Hoover> Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice.
< 1325452269 563081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it Muriel-style
< 1325452278 305036 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yes
< 1325452285 250368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote singularitarians
< 1325452287 634473 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :786) <Phantom_Hoover> I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians?
< 1325452296 891027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote malaria
< 1325452300 106015 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :497) <monqy> itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him.
< 1325452316 691184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote balloon
< 1325452319 811755 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325452334 157503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quite
< 1325452337 170045 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quite: not found
< 1325452341 957718 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325452345 287473 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :412) <Phantom_Hoover> The eigenratio of reality has to be enormous, though.
< 1325452352 830944 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb
< 1325452356 30672 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not actually Ngevd, no matter what you may have heard.
< 1325452361 469129 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd
< 1325452365 417398 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B���./��mf\��j���.�R.X�-8�.���t��.�k`f���c.:�{b�R;��O��F.�b:n��2bU�a�!�c�.
< 1325452385 241189 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That garble is so reassuring
< 1325452423 352888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you there when that was defined?
< 1325452428 113990 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1325452428 512356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1325452432 283348 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mineso \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ min.sh \ paste \ quotes \ share \ typetest.hs \ wisdom
< 1325452438 919068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wisdom
< 1325452442 134 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information.
< 1325452451 667757 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-142.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325452458 88588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION frowns
< 1325452496 422020 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga
< 1325452502 236996 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom
< 1325452505 156420 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ esoteric \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lifthrasiir \ mad \ misspellings of croissant \ monad \ monads \ monoid \ monqy \ ngevd \ nooga \ oerjan \ oklopol \ phantom___hoover \ phantom__hoover
< 1325452515 264402 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325452530 27296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no phantom hoover with one underscore?
< 1325452536 849675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom_hoover
< 1325452539 639663 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist.
< 1325452550 366801 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga hate OS X. NOOGA SMASH.
< 1325452555 779006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, clearly it just ended after a while
< 1325452583 987403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | paste /dev/stdin
< 1325452587 57248 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24186
< 1325452590 330299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, I have no idea what I'm doing.)
< 1325452595 802657 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell
< 1325452599 127844 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is preferred by 9 out of 10 esoteric programmers. Ask your GP today! http://learnyouahaskell.com/
< 1325452604 805360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oklopol
< 1325452608 632810 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid."
< 1325452608 807750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's inaccurate.
< 1325452620 856462 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friendship
< 1325452623 864158 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship wisdom
< 1325452624 446015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, do they call them GPs in the states?
< 1325452631 48366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? u
< 1325452633 826754 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :u monad?
< 1325452637 911318 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1325452640 557370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1325452640 915605 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
< 1325452644 77606 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
< 1325452645 868255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid
< 1325452648 930686 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object.
< 1325452656 446467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325452657 491285 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1325452660 307338 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1325452678 446270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/mis*
< 1325452681 504790 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1325452699 515525 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1325452702 654331 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? quine
< 1325452712 451009 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38
< 1325452715 179913 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
< 1325452729 702750 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski
< 1325452733 127822 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
< 1325452737 555463 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325452740 444363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? php
< 1325452743 505398 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted]
< 1325452754 465978 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wiki
< 1325452757 341573 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is at http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1325452764 905305 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? you
< 1325452767 995432 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :you a haskell
< 1325452772 719060 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo
< 1325452773 963889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted]
< 1325452775 448556 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
< 1325452820 241322 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1325452826 354712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/* | paste /dev/stdin
< 1325452829 215411 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/* | paste /dev/stdin: No such file or directory
< 1325452834 652594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/* | paste /dev/stdin
< 1325452840 574802 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31214 \ /hackenv/bin/paste: line 14:   282 File size limit exceededcat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM"
< 1325452866 813934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, ngevd.
< 1325452907 436433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I caused bad things
< 1325452919 408455 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd
< 1325452922 479811 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�Y.s��u���)�.�R��.$�f1&�3W.����...!d�[Q���.��$Q�.�$�z��KMP��5'Ϫ��#.�����e��.�3B>u�.��J�S�׽β���M�A�lʰ&H�p��aj��0.���.ǲ��
< 1325452953 452524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11204  <- head -n 1 wisdom/*
< 1325453021 312354 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1325453025 562043 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is stuff crashing on me?
< 1325453027 380805 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325453037 691861 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325453150 741228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, the paste failed because your wisdom entry is linked to /dev/null, and cat was trying to print all of it into paste, which was upset about it.
< 1325453168 645647 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame Sgeo
< 1325453174 92136 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Sgeo
< 1325453177 366655 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo invented Metaplace sex.
< 1325453207 192340 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuh
< 1325453232 605273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Ngevd, the paste failed because your wisdom entry is linked to /dev/null, and cat was trying to print all of it into paste, which was upset about it.
< 1325453234 423992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *urandom
< 1325453242 492533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, yes.
< 1325453258 607456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325453286 380080 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would it be to make something like HackEgo, but DOS-based?
< 1325453363 167624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably hard, I think
< 1325453377 915418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS is not all that good in terms of security features
< 1325453503 76873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy
< 1325453505 63936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run it in a VM
< 1325453544 305730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are DOS VMs that run on DOS?
< 1325453612 656416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have to run on DOS?
< 1325453624 910984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be DOS-based if they didn't
< 1325453627 83468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I suspect so
< 1325453644 972894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know HackEgo doesn't run on Windows?
< 1325453673 177560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't for certain, although it seems unlikely; but I wouldn't call it purely UNIX-based if it did
< 1325453691 942876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you inserted a word "purely" not in Ngevd's statement
< 1325453717 717045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was disambiguating what I said; I interpreted Ngevd's statement with that possible meaning
< 1325453827 292742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1325453828 869863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt he meant that
< 1325453874 942509 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott is thinking what I'm thinking
< 1325453888 226073 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I've got the theme to Bananas in Pyjamas stuck in my head
< 1325453915 35172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure Ngevd, but where are you going to find seven goats and a hippopotamus at this time of night?
< 1325453955 437226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham
< 1325453969 375403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how convenient.
< 1325453973 84896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, argh, what's that a reference to.
< 1325453984 12170 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinky and the Brain
< 1325454014 56008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very loose reference
< 1325454057 590667 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas, in Pyjamas, are coming down the stairs
< 1325454066 805067 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas, in Pyjamas, are coming down in pairs
< 1325454077 632975 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas, in Pyjamas, are chasing teddy bears
< 1325454092 39785 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because on Tuesdays the try to cath them unawares
< 1325454098 681093 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the/they/
< 1325454125 729158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "cath" still?
< 1325454139 73776 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cath/catch/
< 1325454140 623887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a medical procedure
< 1325454168 697433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, in retrospect, it is obvious why I am so weird
< 1325454196 87302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's the bananas.
< 1325454260 893593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You're not that weird.
< 1325454280 771419 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've heard stories about you
< 1325454283 363638 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325454474 597449 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325454478 104046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: gah, I've heard that too
< 1325454482 219942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a nursery rhyme?
< 1325454489 635961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort-of sticks in the head because it's so stupid
< 1325454492 11820 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the theme to a children's TV show
< 1325454505 155703 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas in Pyjamas
< 1325454510 321368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to love it when I was little
< 1325454954 524283 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325455181 567629 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that LOOSE is a good name for a military grade RTOS?
< 1325455204 369984 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1325455325 160386 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325455340 797010 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it looks too much like LOSE
< 1325456012 542520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LooseThos, on the other hand...
< 1325456323 952256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossy thossle
< 1325456656 278350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a TeX program for making binary specials in DVI files
< 1325456702 646844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EVHW
< 1325456924 823928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325456983 117075 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325456999 693178 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325457008 760988 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325457248 463196 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325457266 743976 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti Phantom_Hoover update
< 1325457277 941589 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ngevd
< 1325457323 829598 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentally notes to add Ngevd to the update list.
< 1325457379 802028 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we define a hackego thing so we can just do `mspa and it will say "[names] update"
< 1325457415 883386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325457444 483783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hates automation of tasks
< 1325457497 227422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325457502 545038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also abbreviation
< 1325457617 402533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1325459383 915762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<#>)
< 1325459395 632052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `<#>'
< 1325459787 375989 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, elliott Phantom_Hoover kallisti update
< 1325459809 536443 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1325460447 175135 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1325460451 905763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1325460458 518789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.7.9472 <-- @ design document
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< 1325463040 448015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti Phantom_Hoover update no Ngevd because he's not here
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< 1325463178 697093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping
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< 1325464079 55397 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/coppro
< 1325464081 972181 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro prefers his nickname, Pooppy.
< 1325464096 799198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/ngevd
< 1325464100 507444 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​=p��z�Ҷ*G�m�.�..�Z���o'����.LƖ�2�..��`�W0O����.�G�?����H�.7x=��9�h..>�� �#I�.��n�b.����s#mN�~s���>�.�2�. �?����.p?��.��.b�6$��p�9.wVg�D.\...j��M��N�*u�aD�.(..j+vߨ��n��Q \ �^&4�,.>��&G*�R�}N!�!1�.|�p�'�A(�;iE�ﺾ.}�.k���A�i�yWb%c�M.JE�4X�MQ�_.�2.W�5�^^..�9..�\�,���[!��D��P[Djx^�.��:N����ߩsf����..g��벍?�.?��̥��"�tq.���Ƚ�2..�..�v�0��.<��θ¹y�=I^^.�������9{��r�:c;'{�нi@FU��/J��v...����a.-v
< 1325464594 795485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: *`? coppro
< 1325464670 297376 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what
< 1325464918 198293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coppro
< 1325464921 452995 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro prefers his nickname, Pooppy.
< 1325464935 507576 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that Gregor set that
< 1325464936 965226 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325464938 729872 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1325464943 720741 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you assume correctly
< 1325464960 119071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log `learn coppro
< 1325464988 949108 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-02.txt:00:42:40: <Phantom_Hoover> `log `learn coppro
< 1325465191 718767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle atomicModifyIORef
< 1325465192 56861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IORef atomicModifyIORef :: IORef a -> (a -> (a, b)) -> IO b
< 1325465748 531838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 16:08:22 <Sgeo> Is hSetBuffering stdin NoBuffering >> hSetBuffering stdout NoBuffering supposed to work on Windows?
< 1325465749 239974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No.
< 1325465760 916987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/2189
< 1325465774 795326 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1325465880 695839 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you reading #haskell logs?
< 1325465888 537861 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of just joining the channel?
< 1325465896 958569 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose you're there now.
< 1325465906 821732 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there was a mechanism for posting directly into the logs.
< 1325465940 170024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I read logs to figure out why it was so silent.
< 1325465984 537479 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Curses, you've figured out our "silence as soon as elliott joins the channel" plan.
< 1325466187 682059 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be terrible if someone invented a mechanism to post directly into the logs
< 1325466191 491385 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as by saying things in the channel
< 1325466321 890335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
< 1325466543 340612 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bookmarks
< 1325466555 107367 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :( at bug lasting for so long
< 1325466663 855616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's the touch of Deewiant.
< 1325466671 473638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every compiler bug he touches never gets fixed, ever.
< 1325466676 383869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because n=2.
< 1325467086 332953 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way too fix "writeFile complains about too-many-open-files" is obviously to convert Char to Word8.
< 1325467102 746640 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1325467145 4304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: His message implies to me that he hadn't actually written it yet.
< 1325467154 515437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<mmos1127_> I'm a bit unclear, but tell you what I've write it using String and System.IO.writeFile and if it crashes becasue too many files are open, then I'll know I need to change something.
< 1325467159 951977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "I've" should be "I'll".
< 1325467817 670859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Cracked only started in its current form in 2007?
< 1325467832 786695 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325467862 211115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gone from 'crappy ripoff of Mad' to 'crappy ripoff of Maxim' to 'respected(ish), well-known website' very quickly.
< 1325467899 734518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO respected.
< 1325467948 435583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as in the name is well-known and there isn't any great demerit associated with it.
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< 1325468521 678362 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1325468528 813376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1325468530 169988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325468551 706206 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New rule: Balance ":-(" and ":-)" smileys.
< 1325468571 319954 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noses :-(
< 1325468582 661120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( :-( :-(
< 1325468650 766385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enjoys watching Sgeo detail all the ways in which Active Worlds' API is the most broken piece of shit ever without actually being able to bring himself to say "it's a terrible library for a terrible game".
< 1325468660 268928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also seriously why don't you just implement the network protocol.
< 1325468675 809953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible library for a good game.
< 1325468684 441300 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, against the TOS I think.
< 1325468691 252413 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know it
< 1325468704 112316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Against the TOS in a completely indistinguishable way.
< 1325468709 752437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no, it's a terrible library for a terrible game.
< 1325468732 210894 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are things you cannot do with the SDK that you can do with the network protocol..
< 1325468829 468407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't do those.
< 1325468940 297690 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325469071 997861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :This cannel Copywrong 0 YOLD Rogger Sarcridh - All lights reversed (Except for things copyrighted by Gregor Richards)  | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325469154 988656 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good point.
< 1325469222 730705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :This channel Copywrong 0 YOLD Rogger Sarcridh - All lights reversed (Except for things copyrighted by Gregor Richards) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325469466 76217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX can make file with binary specials although DVItype will show a message about non-ASCII specisl if you do that.
< 1325469537 705402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf can't make file with binary specials.
< 1325469621 319957 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary specials! Eight bits for the price of seven.
< 1325469666 357496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it because of the printer drivers for the new computer I will make, are all DVI-based, so it uses what are called "Black Associates specials" which are binary data in DVI specials (although a DVI file with no specials will still print perfectly OK). Such as, colors (CMYK + grayscale value + pure black/white only value)
< 1325469728 308644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, TeX has no command built-in for converting numbers to binary data to specials, so I wrote macros to do that (TeX is very powerful and can do these kind of things!).
< 1325469768 824170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I can put 1-byte numbers, 2-byte numbers, and 4-byte numbers. All are big-endian to be consistent with the format of other numbers in DVI file.
< 1325470005 20042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, #haskell is still bad.
< 1325470191 664600 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe it's because zzo38 is no longer in there.
< 1325470213 688844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1325470334 439251 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, am I helping or hurting?
< 1325470345 713632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people ask questions like that?
< 1325470391 169202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most likely answers range from lukewarm to negative.
< 1325470569 500300 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325470756 969846 :Darth_Cliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325471739 878900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think #haskell is bad too they don't like to answer my questions, sometimes other thing they didn't answer either
< 1325471804 688062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: We have consensus.
< 1325472265 210231 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Questions like what?
< 1325472339 688282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325472342 904625 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oasijfoiasjdfoaijwr�glkjwelgkjweaklgja
< 1325472347 728672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1325472350 369151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko
< 1325472352 25062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokko
< 1325472354 241237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooijoijadj
< 1325472602 772226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1325472608 441142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Like <Sgeo> elliott, am I helping or hurting?.
< 1325472619 238441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how many phds do you have now
< 1325472624 184546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott, are you the same elliott i talked to last time i was here?
< 1325472627 178083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325472660 33616 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really look like him though
< 1325472670 562373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have zero (0) phds
< 1325472676 290627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325472680 591721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1325472681 986278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325472685 114684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still? seriously?
< 1325472688 267185 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325472692 331357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in a university yet?
< 1325472720 378852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, i'm skipping the university thing and just getting the phd.
< 1325472727 267785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1325472727 432494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm efficient, unlike you
< 1325472770 766839 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't PhDs typically involve universities too?
< 1325472798 79480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's what they tell everyone to keep out the riff-raff, but if you're actually any good you just get the Ph.D. direct.
< 1325472803 814303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have made peace with failing at life.
< 1325472806 865656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course people like oklopol never find out the real truth.
< 1325472818 476874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must resign themselves to the fake truth.
< 1325472835 975083 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i just do what people tell me to and try to make the best of it.
< 1325472866 619653 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Direct from The Elliott PhD Authority?
< 1325472869 800289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drugs help
< 1325472879 504501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fight club
< 1325472908 148018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1325472996 36838 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: University of Phoenix, obv
< 1325473220 276799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I fixed a silent type error in some unsafeCoerce-using code today.
< 1325473224 713224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god I use Haskell!
< 1325473304 932124 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325473469 630847 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325473661 117789 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Was it *your* unsafeCoerce-using code?
< 1325473687 246597 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I have no sympathy for you.
< 1325473699 857086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enough sympathy for everyone
< 1325473720 843045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1325473724 850620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, sort of.
< 1325473732 920300 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take oklopol's sympathy, then.
< 1325473736 140157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote about a third of it.
< 1325473736 985812 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325473747 992513 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you introduce unsafeCoerce to it?
< 1325473760 903191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But I did suggest doing so.
< 1325473765 474266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although so did other people at the time too.
< 1325473777 172869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It previously abused an IORef and unsafePerformIO for the purpose.)
< 1325473785 382390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the polymorphic wossname trick, though.)
< 1325473797 62758 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be possible to implement ST with just unsafeCoerce and Any, right?
< 1325473809 67766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no other functions or types? No.
< 1325473817 373775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need (->) at the very least.
< 1325473833 523307 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, as the only unsafe features.
< 1325473841 50278 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the safe ones allowed too
< 1325473851 698872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides ST
< 1325473883 572065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can implement ST with just unsafePerformIO, too.
< 1325473893 484501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you can construct STMap with unsafeCoerce and Any.
< 1325473903 392127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you hear reactive-banana is getting dynamic event switching???
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< 1325474234 352645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the logo of reactive-banana should be an actual radioactive banana. it'd of course look like a normal banana but it would actually be delivered to you by mail when you go to the website with some glue so you can stick it on your monitor and your death would be the difference between radioactive and not.
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< 1325474362 43341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could forward that suggestion onto the developer if you'd like.
< 1325474368 988424 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should
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< 1325474438 654712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps you can't make it a surjection since i don't think great ideas are extensions of humans.
< 1325474457 191036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes the best math jokes
< 1325474487 28634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love you oklopol
< 1325474525 57044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should've said epimorphism since the term extension is only used for morphisms of dynamical systems afaik.
< 1325474535 977481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(epimorphism instead of surjectiom)
< 1325474539 185633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*surjection
< 1325474548 633746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of math, i watched an episode of numb3rs today
< 1325474574 827194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the irc boats
< 1325474600 515448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first episode was more like 57471571c5
< 1325474615 204327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc boats aren't in the first ep
< 1325474662 46652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> speaking of math, i watched an episode of numb3rs today  <oklopol> the first episode was more like 57471571c5
< 1325474665 350911 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :791) <oklopol> speaking of math, i watched an episode of numb3rs today  <oklopol> the first episode was more like 57471571c5
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< 1325474756 800195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea in the episode was that there had been 13 rapes plus some murder on the side and the cop's brother is a "world-class mathematician" and he made a formula that told them where the rapist probably lived. he lived there.
< 1325474803 241154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you have now seen every episode of numb3rs
< 1325474813 234246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually he didn't and then their dad told them herp derp maybe he occasionally rapes ppl near work to save the rape commute.
< 1325474842 194788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he was like omgomgomg so simple and predicted *two* zones
< 1325474863 851749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one was where he lived and one was where he went to work
< 1325474922 662048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the first cluster was where he used to live. so 13 points were enough to pinpoint three locations around which the guy had occasionally done some raping.
< 1325474986 182882 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'd be so hooked after a few episodes, but i'm not sure i want to be associated with this devil porn.
< 1325475245 678840 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want is a show where in the pilot they try to prove that a space is compact. their only clue is that it is sequentially compact, but the space is clearly not metric. naturally they must consult The Oracle.
< 1325475721 81633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this do as a syntax for a MML compiler?   data Token = Number Int | Name String | Block [Token] | Note Note | Text String | Bar  deriving (Eq, Show); data Note = Note { noteLetter :: Char, noteOct :: Int, noteAcc :: Int, noteLength :: Maybe Int, noteVol :: Maybe Int } deriving (Eq, Show);
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< 1325476274 728054 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, elliott update. elliott, kallisti update.
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< 1325479381 823421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever play single player Scrabble?
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< 1325479720 555241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1325479988 770145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules are the same as two players, except that passing is not allowed.
< 1325480203 625867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing should be allowed imho
< 1325480268 270305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes passing is allowed, but if you do, the game immediately ends and you lose points according to your letters in your hand (after replacements are drawn).
< 1325480281 959053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1325480301 165546 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another rule sometimes used is that there is a time limit for the entire game, and the game also ends if time runs out.
< 1325480426 80462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could also limit the number of times you can pass?
< 1325480478 234326 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I suppose that is another possible idea you could use. (Although if there is a time limit, generally you are still not allowed to pass; you could make a pass limit with or without a time limit)
< 1325481582 522955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I read somewhere describing type systems of programming languages like Haskell and so on as "Presbyterian" and "Catholic", on some article describing "Roman containers" although I did not understand all of the notation used
< 1325482238 751392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr that
< 1325482447 447108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Parsec's "choice" function should really belong to Control.Applicative instead.
< 1325482479 975823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a fold with <|>
< 1325482761 437871 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<|>)
< 1325482761 946363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<|>) :: Alternative f => f a -> f a -> f a
< 1325482762 111030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Prim (<|>) :: (ParsecT s u m a) -> (ParsecT s u m a) -> (ParsecT s u m a)
< 1325482762 111195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Prim (<|>) :: (ParsecT s u m a) -> (ParsecT s u m a) -> (ParsecT s u m a)
< 1325482806 798841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They are all the same, Parsec's one is just for Parsec only
< 1325482829 118551 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I just wasn't certain that <|> was in Control.Applicative
< 1325483713 824336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like Parsec very much. Even though they did define the Applicative and Alternative instance for Parsec, the designers of that system seem to not use them, from what I can see.
< 1325483795 286364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why did they define their own operators with the same names and functions as the Control.Applicative ones anyways?
< 1325484333 936032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: asum
< 1325484335 600591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle asum
< 1325484336 87354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable asum :: (Foldable t, Alternative f) => t (f a) -> f a
< 1325484349 525736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and because Parsec is actually the source of the Alternative operators
< 1325484353 956555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, historical reasons
< 1325484373 947174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is why. Shouldn't they fix it by now, though?
< 1325484397 929470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably re-export the polymorphic versions
< 1325484410 128590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, that is probably what they should do.
< 1325484474 842566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit a patch, it'd be like a five-line change :)
< 1325484625 686136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that annoys me about the "you can install gentoo with three commands" quote is that it doesn't list the other two
< 1325485034 715605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is infinity a stream?
< 1325485473 51857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325485485 45923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is not a stream because that question is meaningless.
< 1325485508 288015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Suggest strict state monad to apfelmus.
< 1325485524 882213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jokes are not known for their factual accuracy
< 1325485548 930693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it could be both a joke /and/ factually accurate with just two more lines
< 1325485554 414307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'd be both amusing /and/ useful
< 1325485574 177068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stand up comedians tend to employ this kind of humor, in fact.
< 1325485587 406386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the truth is funny" is kind of stuff.
< 1325485589 774730 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-is
< 1325485595 663706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it another way, the joke's funnier if it's based on actual facts
< 1325485664 317959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then again, most of it is just incorrect sexist/racist bullshit so...
< 1325485669 849655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the truth isn't very funny.
< 1325485703 39122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would then be a /bad/ joke
< 1325485707 777840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the timing would be completely ruined
< 1325485738 980599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OTOH, I think the joke's much funnier if there are three commands, and that's the first
< 1325485746 105596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only funny if it's true
< 1325485770 20503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: How to be a shitty standup comedian in 3 easy steps: 1. Say stereotypical bullshit  2. I'm just saying what everyone is thinking!  3. Why are you annoyed, it was a JOKE.
< 1325485779 282237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it untrue
< 1325485804 327081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the command would give you a gentoo installation assuming there are no stupid mistakes in it
< 1325485807 689167 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two other commands, but they just aren't provided
< 1325485817 370708 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :providing the other two would ruin the timing i agree
< 1325485828 895568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two commands are presumably system configuration, since that one already installs openoffice :)
< 1325485838 288143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd give them later on in the same quote
< 1325485841 582285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the comedic timing
< 1325485844 409954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, which would ruin the joke
< 1325485853 294520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even double-linebreak and give a "for the interested reader" PS thing
< 1325485860 921027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tell a joke and then say "wait I'm not done yet" and spend three minutes giving a pedantic discussion of the relevant facts
< 1325485868 390204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to people who aren't ais523, that's really, really boring
< 1325485875 918624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the joke is how bad the original joke is ruined
< 1325485876 406302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will ruin the previous enjoyment of the joke
< 1325485878 530705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not really complicated
< 1325485882 671576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even a link would be enough
< 1325485889 373806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* to ruin the joke
< 1325485894 937472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, look at me jumping out of this ridiculous conversation ->
< 1325485913 37467 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't leave me allone / im fallow suit
< 1325485923 909603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fallow Suit, famous comedian
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< 1325486361 830241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/src/reactive-banana/reactive-banana/src/Reactive/Banana
< 1325486362 924290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good path
< 1325486863 134454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be bizarre even without the repetition
< 1325486873 887257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it the ~ there means home dir, not an actual directory called ~?
< 1325486883 40803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-f2 on this computer interprets it as the latter, which is annoying
< 1325486914 829464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :former
< 1325486919 687048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bizarre apart from the repetition
< 1325487455 785230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is another use of <*> operator:  parseInt = option id (negate <$ char '-') <*> (read <$> some digit);
< 1325487460 210181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ?
< 1325487488 68807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I alt-f2 and then use a ~ in either the command to run or an argument to it
< 1325487491 764930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interpreted as a literal ~
< 1325487497 661457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not expanded to /home/ais523
< 1325487582 150589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: <ais523> it'd be bizarre even without the repetition  <elliott> what's bizarre apart from the repetition
< 1325487596 888709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, the name "reactive banana"
< 1325487627 888997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "reactive" is taken :)
< 1325487819 906302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm I need to start thinking about taxes.
< 1325487997 139030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I made a parser of a MML variant. After a note you can have # or + for sharp, - or b for flat, x for double sharp, and you can have more than one of any of them. You can also have a optional length after a note, an octave shift ' for up and , for down, and a volume in parentheses. Persistent octave shifts are < for down and > for up
< 1325488054 757537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is already more than most other MML that I know of.
< 1325488173 65421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe another thing I should have is multiple notes in parentheses for making chords
< 1325488198 468959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this look like good so far?
< 1325488259 196800 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, assuming you can double shift octaves and such
< 1325488277 640384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an absolute octave notation would be good. A4 
< 1325488284 339073 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can include multiple ' or , to multiple shift octaves, or you can use persistent octave shifts such as < and >
< 1325488295 512633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you plan to reserve that notation for things like chords.
< 1325488327 750397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not intend absolute octave notation because you can use the notation like A4 to indicate a quarter note A instead. And you can have L and a number for persistent length setting. These are standard features of MML.
< 1325488380 715093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use O and a number to persistent select an octave.
< 1325488429 816679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should go to bed
< 1325488461 296842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean, you can still use ## for double sharp instead, but x is a more common way of indicating double sharp in music notation.
< 1325488481 544670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'd also want a way to select time signature so that A4 has meaning
< 1325488487 437811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1325488492 775509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A4. could specify a dotted quarter note.
< 1325488558 968221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, that is good too; use . to specify dotted lengths. And the way to set time signature. How I have it, any words must be in lowercase because uppercase are used for notes and other single-letter commands.
< 1325488581 759150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also you could write a parser that converts your notation into Haskore data structures and then you could take advantage of all of those libraries.
< 1325488611 533554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes I can add such feature; currently I am planning to use .S3M as output format but I can add more.
< 1325488639 274197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well Haskore wouldn't be used as an output format in this case, just as a means to save time by using existing code.
< 1325488654 930287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Haskore can output to a number of different formats
< 1325488686 106698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dude there's a csound backend for HasSound
< 1325488706 516131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lowercase words commands probably I can make most of them in Italian since music notations commonly uses Italian.
< 1325488797 90766 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: surwe.
< 1325488804 620007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What formats does Haskore have? Anyways, I intend other things too, not only writing the music; such as, comments, instrument definition (by file or by mathematical formulas), and later on, non-12-TET.
< 1325488806 244986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm italian
< 1325488809 613952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not treu)
< 1325488862 356929 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use ; for comments in file which are ignored, but another kind of comments that are copied into the sample names in the .S3M output file so that a .S3M player program can display them.
< 1325490999 926183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I include features which the most sophisticated .S3M tracker programs lack (in S3M output anyways; and, at least, which the free ones lack). But still use completely standard output format, which can be loaded in tracker programs. (I did already start writing this program and I know how to continue too)
< 1325491346 134779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1325491355 36449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have used TeX, what in your opinion, are what makes TeX an excellent typesetting program?
< 1325491413 2925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or bad, if that is what it is to you)
< 1325491425 204862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad because hitler uses it
< 1325491448 476391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler uses TeX?
< 1325491496 210392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a good reason anyways
< 1325491569 672680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might!
< 1325491586 855034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still isn't a good reason
< 1325491712 656750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used TeX at all, anyways?
< 1325491973 188634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325492080 355804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good for you?
< 1325492095 900752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe!
< 1325492145 272048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many kind of its features have you used and what other things have you done with it?
< 1325492171 233243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bet you didn't expect the TeX inquisition.
< 1325492265 931766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i did not :(
< 1325492440 395554 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, kallisti update
< 1325493149 239434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If making a Haskell package (one which is compiled into an executable; not a library) licensed under GNU GPL, is it OK to change the LICENSE filename to COPYING if the .cabal file is also changed accordingly?
< 1325493196 684267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libraries I make in Haskell are public domain but for executables I will usually want GPL
< 1325493270 633948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although Haskell Swiss Ephemeris library is GPL because Swiss Ephemeris itself is GPL)
< 1325493369 150160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1325493477 553538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, why does it try to copy the LICENSE file anyways (and result in error message) if public domain is selected? They should either add such a file (probably containing a public domain dedication and the message to use it for any purpose, even if your jurisdiction has no public domain), or make it not copy the file
< 1325493536 721384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I notice, is the copyright notice is not automatically generated if GPL is selected; it is still commented out and you have to put it in by yourself.
< 1325493660 875453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which jurisdictions have public domain and which ones don't?
< 1325493681 874422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know US has it, but that is all I know
< 1325493714 725637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany doesnt iirc
< 1325493721 277955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I know is some people have said that some jurisdictions do not have it. It is why the WTFPL is made up
< 1325493731 179165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325493746 251469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be prudent to find out if Sweden has it for me.
< 1325493806 228505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should fix the cabal simply for that reason, which is that some jurisdictions do not have public domain, so that the message to do anything with it can still be provided anyways
< 1325493835 87867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott test
< 1325493835 291896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1325493838 328567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1325493848 94925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you got a message?
< 1325493849 300470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :colloinkgravisom
< 1325493851 777835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the message typoed?
< 1325493868 613247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner test
< 1325493868 946418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1325493875 260214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't
< 1325493878 667530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it didn't record it
< 1325493885 208074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could using other channels
< 1325493897 920932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it is kind of ambiguous if it is typoed or not 
< 1325493900 161836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that I can tell myself without using lambdabot
< 1325493926 856228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck me. I been on windows for a few days and I reboot to linux and have over 1 GB of updates to download...
< 1325493932 219906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also ask someone else to do it for you, if necessary
< 1325493958 457401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I guess so yeah
< 1325493973 158767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot does this work?
< 1325493973 657772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;)
< 1325493978 165405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1325494001 667361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably that should go to whoever runs the bot
< 1325494008 302517 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cale
< 1325494008 802157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325494013 112190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloinkgravisom, right
< 1325494030 278767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have anything like the ADMIN command of IRC? IRC has ADMIN command tell you the information
< 1325494048 79247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that actually work I wonder
< 1325494054 318693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it does
< 1325494090 392591 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325494090 892408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti said 5d 2h 36m 2s ago: Hey, so I don't think [a] = Maybe (a, [a]) because there's no equivalent to (Just _|_) or (a, Just _|_) or ..
< 1325494100 875688 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't dreg up the past lambdabot
< 1325494187 329083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it doesn't work due to undefined but ignoring undefined value, it will be mathematically the same thing, so it is just as good for computing derivatives and isomorphisms and so on
< 1325494200 112173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, kallisti counting bottoms, #haskell's favorite pastime that
< 1325494215 731300 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it
< 1325494245 603795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not *the* favorite, but it's high up on the list anyway
< 1325494340 80562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I calculated the derivative of list type, someone said it is the correct derivative but doesn't seem a correct zipper.
< 1325494376 417903 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was oerjan.
< 1325494409 462157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it was oerjan
< 1325494450 270020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is a correct zipper? Or is it a correct derivative but not a correct zipper?
< 1325494457 68947 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why?
< 1325494685 366857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls
< 1325494689 646031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wrong computer
< 1325494715 457399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using synergy and if fucked up my input focus somehow)
< 1325495356 642974 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t, LTL types FRP. This is kind of cool.
< 1325495557 811397 :colloinkgravisom!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1325495833 998538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325496232 757806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is FRP and LTL in this context?
< 1325496267 501 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional reactive programming / linear temporal logic
< 1325496270 435556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325496272 463350 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional reactive programming and linear temporal logic respectivelyi.
< 1325496274 67566 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i
< 1325496331 594055 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325496658 103666 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325496658 436794 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1325496658 768928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1325496765 457853 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325497127 649241 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1325497626 266505 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325497647 866258 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey.
< 1325497714 119868 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's xkcd is alright, except for the punchline
< 1325497769 62190 :FireFly!firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325497806 493482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/997/  I like this one
< 1325497827 24260 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the joke
< 1325497846 670097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, in the one kallisti linked? Same
< 1325497855 68716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is some US politics joke or something?
< 1325497884 18733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, is that so?
< 1325497903 964901 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a quiz show?
< 1325497912 269510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was?
< 1325497919 965759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's an incredibly lame joke about a radio quiz show in the US.
< 1325497925 902260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only old people and nerds listen to.
< 1325497927 400150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1325497997 943736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny though because any newsworthy events involving Peter Sagal would basically have to have a headline following that format.
< 1325498004 271283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's required.
< 1325498007 742591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1325498097 361259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's basically nothing political about NPR, except recently Republican media seems to think NPR is liberal.
< 1325498105 369656 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's just like... not stupid.
< 1325498111 861372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not stupid = liberal, I guess.
< 1325498406 773834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually NPR has been known to fire people for displaying a political bias in their personal life.
< 1325498438 639013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the issue as long as it doesn't affect them in their profession
< 1325498465 158635 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not one. I think NPR is just really strict about it for public relations.
< 1325498510 736806 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could easily backfire.
< 1325498519 971320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1325498545 609133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes firing people for publically displaying opinions probably isn't good press.
< 1325498592 382301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :grantedm a lot of the firings over Occupy Wall Street were freelance radio reporters and not actual NPR staff, for what it's worth.
< 1325498663 95384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325498733 898845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but freelancers is probably like... the majority of NPR's employees.
< 1325498741 845931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that includes a lot of people that work for NPR stations.
< 1325498835 108638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occupy #esoteric. (And do what, exactly?)
< 1325498872 902214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, talking about esolangs all the time?
< 1325498874 886901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work
< 1325498934 720570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as a protest of all the non-topicalness that goes on here it could work.
< 1325498940 482312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325498979 382035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_ = "test"; s/(.)./@/; print $1
< 1325498981 633176 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1325498986 743359 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325499003 253420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never accessed a capture group from a substitute, actually.
< 1325499008 788645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wasn't sure if it actually did that.
< 1325499042 999661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean to say you have never used a $n in the replacement part of a s///? 
< 1325499107 861326 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm... maybe I have.
< 1325499110 478097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have.
< 1325499378 253310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1325499894 683172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print [] == []
< 1325499895 202463 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325499897 909337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print [] eq []
< 1325499898 405926 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325499987 306902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm what is a reference in numeric context I wonder
< 1325499994 195380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print []
< 1325499994 861407 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY(0x7ff735781d48)
< 1325500001 202770 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess its address?
< 1325500018 281151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "0xFF" + "OxFF"
< 1325500018 947138 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1325500041 157668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay.
< 1325500049 117891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "0xFF" + "0xFF"
< 1325500049 618486 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1325500073 739327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perl doesn't attempt to read hex literals when converting a string to a number.
< 1325500129 778671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, that looks like a reasonable address for the stack to me
< 1325500151 310010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1325500155 925735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<EgoBot> ARRAY(0x7ff735781d48)
< 1325500156 956292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1325500173 731886 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that look like the address to a stack? it looks like an arbitrary location in memory to me.
< 1325500173 898624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like about the usual location of the stack on Linux (x86-64)
< 1325500225 686836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, run cat /proc/self/maps a few time on a 64-bit machine
< 1325500232 469931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ah yes good ol' 7ff735781d48" -- Vorpal
< 1325500238 243706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, look at [stack] and [heap]
< 1325500246 358066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, stack is usually 7ff*
< 1325500268 844531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, heap tends to start with many zeros
< 1325500308 360927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, libraries tend to be mapped around 7f0*-7fe*
< 1325500322 950357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, not so hard after all
< 1325500333 26988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/self/maps | egrep '[stack]'
< 1325500344 173988 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00400000-0040c000 r-xp 00000000 00:09 842385                             /bin/cat \ 0060c000-0060d000 rw-p 0000c000 00:09 842385                             /bin/cat \ 0060d000-0062e000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0                                  [heap] \ 40000000-4001e000 r-xp 00000000 00:0f 835040                             /lib64/ld-2.11.2.so \ 4021d000-4021e000 r--p 0001d000 00:0f 835040                             /lib64/ld-2.11.2.so
< 1325500347 505259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/self/maps | egrep '\[stack\]'
< 1325500351 88274 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fbff23000-7fbff44000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                              [stack]
< 1325500378 345196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 7ff* on my computer though
< 1325500383 981237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my system the stack is consistently 7fff* for cat even
< 1325500387 145698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :three f
< 1325500396 436129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "7ff" is quite stacky indeed. 
< 1325500426 118764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, but 7ff* is a huge range of addresses....
< 1325500439 734732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack or vdso, and you usually don't have addresses into the vdso
< 1325500457 992604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes and?
< 1325500467 47792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there is nothing much else up there
< 1325500477 676408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the vdso is)
< 1325500519 770168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, your point was?
< 1325500560 355674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite close to the top of the bottom half of the canonical-form 48-bit addresses.
< 1325500578 281933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... this notion of stackiness is purely arbitrary because you just see 7ff a lot. Seeing another address with 7ff* does not tell you that it's "stacky"
< 1325500582 366044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you tend to pick up this sort of vague feeling for what an address is when debugging C code. Like "hm, that address it crashed from accessing, looks like it is related to something on the stack"
< 1325500602 910642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print map {[]} 1..10
< 1325500603 410305 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY(0x7fc52154fd48)ARRAY(0x7fc52156da90)ARRAY(0x7fc52156dac0)ARRAY(0x7fc52156daf0)ARRAY(0x7fc52156db20)ARRAY(0x7fc52156db50)ARRAY(0x7fc52154fb98)ARRAY(0x7fc52156da00)ARRAY(0x7fc52156dc88)ARRAY(0x7fc52156dcb8)
< 1325500612 752729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are mostly allocated on the stack I suspect
< 1325500638 993934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, or in a mmaped area up high
< 1325500640 901997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could happen
< 1325500646 938847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not on the heap though
< 1325500694 337518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325500720 25103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at perl here indicates it does mmap some anon mappings
< 1325500724 9710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be one of those
< 1325500731 275930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7f07f9850000-7f07f9851000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
< 1325500731 442935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7fffc0302000-7fffc0323000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [stack]
< 1325500737 584143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aanon mmappings
< 1325500749 492982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually that one is there with cat too
< 1325500753 688865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not that one
< 1325500759 947798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that is libc related)
< 1325500774 927890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then iirc glibc allocs huge chunks from mmap)
< 1325500783 569642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_ = []; s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; print eval;
< 1325500784 237092 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :140303706385736
< 1325500807 784695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually when I do that locally, the []s seem quite heap-allocated.
< 1325500810 699967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't explain why perl would allocate from the same mmaped page as something that is there in cat)
< 1325500813 531520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e 'print map {[]} 1..10; print "\n";'
< 1325500813 697692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY(0x1492d48)ARRAY(0x14b0480)ARRAY(0x14b04b0)ARRAY(0x14b04e0)ARRAY(0x14b0510)ARRAY(0x14b9b88)ARRAY(0x1492b98)ARRAY(0x14b03d8)ARRAY(0x14b0408)ARRAY(0x14b9cd8)
< 1325500822 849076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strange results with !perl then
< 1325500832 859444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah those look heapish
< 1325500866 288486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :look heapish for me too
< 1325500876 341396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess it is possible plash does something weird?
< 1325500886 8024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why it would create a different heap though
< 1325500910 738471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fgrep '[heap]' /proc/self/maps
< 1325500913 777232 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00613000-00634000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0                                  [heap]
< 1325500918 996673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem so
< 1325500945 292737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ([],[]); @x = map {s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; eval}; print abs($x[0] - $x[1]);
< 1325500945 812292 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.2124 line 1, near "};" \ Execution of /tmp/input.2124 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325500957 194461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ([],[]); @x = map {s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; eval} @x; print abs($x[0] - $x[1]);
< 1325500957 860175 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :432
< 1325500960 367430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ([],[]); @x = map {s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; eval} @x; print abs($x[0] - $x[1]);
< 1325500960 867279 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :432
< 1325500962 294202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl system("cat /proc/$$/maps | grep heap");
< 1325500962 960612 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7f7526a10000-7f7526a50000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [heap]
< 1325500963 626294 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x = ([],[]); @x = map {s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; eval} @x; print abs($x[0] - $x[1]);
< 1325500964 297182 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :432
< 1325500976 476775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"!perl" is EgoBot, though.
< 1325500985 967893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's quite a high heap.
< 1325500996 969858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325500998 709515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1325501003 33488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print []'
< 1325501006 45508 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY(0x605d48)
< 1325501013 488916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SO "STACKY" NOW EH? ASSHOLES.
< 1325501016 522799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1325501017 892418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl & fgrep '[heap]' /proc/$!/maps
< 1325501021 224866 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :006e2000-006f5000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0                                  [heap]
< 1325501033 287261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really been following the sandboxings; at least HackEgo runs on that umlbox thing nowadays, not plash.
< 1325501033 955328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought egobot and hackego had very similar setups?
< 1325501039 326325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh okay
< 1325501043 158813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that could change things
< 1325501049 696426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why umlbox?
< 1325501056 426155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? 
< 1325501066 695968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that is user mode linux then I guess that changes stuff a lot
< 1325501072 735930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl <<< '@x = ([],[]); @x = map {s/ARRAY\((.*)\)/$1/; eval} @x; print abs($x[0] - $x[1]);'
< 1325501073 734951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIH syndrome, maybe.
< 1325501076 261620 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :109176
< 1325501081 141964 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my.
< 1325501083 876374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for why not: why would you want to fix something that wasn't broken?
< 1325501092 73134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it broken in some way to use plash?
< 1325501101 793400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, ?
< 1325501102 958903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plash relies on a glibc patch, and is, as such, difficult to maintain and out of date. UMLBox relies only on UML (Usermode Linux), a component of the Linux kernel, and requires no patches to UML. Furthermore, UMLBox requires no special privileges to install or use."
< 1325501108 942688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the umlbox page.)
< 1325501110 815541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the address difference is much higher on hackego
< 1325501112 775046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :than on egobot
< 1325501113 980356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325501125 546724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :between repeated []'s
< 1325501128 710673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325501192 822714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like gregor made umlbox? https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox/wiki/Home is the first hit for me
< 1325501224 998742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print `perl -v`
< 1325501225 997960 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \  \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \  \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \  \ Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on \ this system using "man perl" or "perldoc perl".  If you have access to the
< 1325501236 51213 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm same version
< 1325501240 680457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -v
< 1325501243 807844 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 53 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \  \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \  \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \  \ Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on \ this system using
< 1325501247 882340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, that's why I speculated "NIH syndrome".
< 1325501253 351281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325501298 357517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Plash supports X11 programs. UMLBox does not, as sockets do not translate host-to-guest with UML. <-- so there is no networking at all? Because X11 works fine over tcp
< 1325501320 488683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought uml had support for networking in general, so it should be possible to set up
< 1325501320 988482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print v5.10 + v5.11
< 1325501321 488369 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1325501333 823125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that just means "transparently supports".
< 1325501376 340066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325501387 930021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like say would improve perl's golf scores, except that it currently requires a use v5.10 line.
< 1325501391 438740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it looks like umlbox has no network
< 1325501404 829785 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use v5.10; say "Hello, World!"
< 1325501405 663084 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1325501437 535500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why say
< 1325501447 583939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it any better than the traditional print?
< 1325501451 462310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "Hello, World!\n"
< 1325501451 961309 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1325501456 174484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325501470 170105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better for golfing, except for the above mentioned problem.
< 1325501489 548352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: umlbox certainly can do networking.
< 1325501494 480654 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I don't know why it needs use v5.10. is it really going to break anything if you simply include it?
< 1325501498 377420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm
< 1325501501 733018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Er, sorry, I mean, UML can.
< 1325501505 331848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325501506 831816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: umlbox probably doesn't.
< 1325501518 241329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325501521 110942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it does? There's that "fetch" thing.
< 1325501527 595023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at the implementation, really.
< 1325501534 332912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "-X is very limited as yet. It can only forward DISPLAY=:0.0, it forwards it to DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0, and it doesn't set any of the required environment variables (of which at least DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY are necessities). It will be fixed in time :)"
< 1325501540 802631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, it does kind of support x11?
< 1325501545 702198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it says further down it doesn't
< 1325501549 21157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know how it is with documentation.
< 1325501553 581141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1325501597 360346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway don't you need to enable UML in the kernel config for umlbox to work?
< 1325501601 639220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that always-on?
< 1325501612 763400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it isn't then it probably does require root to install
< 1325501664 518127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1325501669 841453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "U" as in user-mode.
< 1325501682 34474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The host kernel runs it just like it would any random process.
< 1325501700 512001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't it need a bit of kernel support to do memory protection between processes?
< 1325501701 551300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1325501715 491934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, processes in the same UML instance
< 1325501749 415779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly there was some bit that you could do optionally.
< 1325501768 335937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, otherwise it wouldn't be secure, you could just write into the UML code itself
< 1325501814 682324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it uses ptrace to catch system calls. Since anything else can easily be beaten
< 1325501878 619434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess it could dynamically recompile code
< 1325501922 708367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or what you're saying means there is a way to hack it.
< 1325501941 98977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the internals have changed a couple of times; back when I used it, it certainly didn't use ptrace at least straightforwardly, since the whole UML kernel and everything running in it appeared as a single process in the host.
< 1325501953 932401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you can't trace yourself.)
< 1325501976 468359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I mean that unless it gets some special support from the kernel or does full emulation like a more general vm (qemu, virtualbox and so on) there are going to be ways to hack it
< 1325502002 228934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i thought you meant.
< 1325502024 232141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course virtualbox and qemu generally gets kernel support, qemu doesn't actually need it though, but it runs much slower without)
< 1325502043 984983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; there was a "skas" patch for the host kernel.
< 1325502052 704744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it got included in the mainline kernel tree or not.
< 1325502062 852895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, it was reasonably non-intrusive.
< 1325502076 951632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it is integrated according to wikipedia
< 1325502112 120020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what system calls are exposed to do this
< 1325502121 682465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "old mode" used the "each UML process is a host process, ptraced by the manager for syscalls" approach.
< 1325502126 730068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to take a look at the interface and see if it can be used in some interesting way
< 1325502157 814397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is still the need to catch system calls also
< 1325502194 869094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd check the UML wiki but it's being unresponsive. :/
< 1325502297 614693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even find that wiki
< 1325502320 853282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ -> The UML Wiki.
< 1325502332 9766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed not responding
< 1325502353 377335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will eventually give a 502 Proxy Error from uml.jfdi.org.
< 1325502377 207709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1325502474 113327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the old skas stuff seemed to use /proc/mm but that definitely doesn't exist these days
< 1325502536 616605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most UML-related things seem quite obsoleted these days.
< 1325502566 385233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /proc/mm
< 1325502569 163439 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /proc/mm: No such file or directory
< 1325502582 3559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all qemu-kvm or Xen or then the "containers"-style OpenVZ/vserver stuff now.
< 1325502609 15977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325502657 944229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's using 'lguest' for some real-world thing, though.
< 1325502666 148482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is lguest?
< 1325502669 613229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, which style
< 1325502720 608855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does that hypervisor/paravirtualization thing. It's very very very minimal; but it was included in the mainline kernel quite early, as far as these things go.
< 1325502752 593868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only lguest-related tool I've seen is the Documentation/virtual/lguest/lguest.c example code.
< 1325502763 684768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325502788 994439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2.6.23-git13 and above", apparently.
< 1325502813 356615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it might be a bit 32-bit-only.
< 1325502873 614276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs copies of the "host" kernel as guests, if I recall correctly.
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< 1325503220 329788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, steam got stuck in a loop of "loading game" dialogue popping up and closing
< 1325503224 696759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to kill the process
< 1325503267 50158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the "library" screen of Steam will look like if you win the "all the games" award.
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< 1325503274 741582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, horrible?
< 1325503298 410552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I wonder what the chances are
< 1325503352 513325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An empty search in the store returns 4178 matches.
< 1325503354 180725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swat Effilry -----###
< 1325503356 392056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s
< 1325503362 612028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I recently (yesterday) played portal 2. It was far better than the first one. I actually didn't give up halfway out of boredom this time.
< 1325503367 535766 :Effilry!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1325503372 434747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it.
< 1325503380 395832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the single-player side, anyway.
< 1325503381 228630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO USE TRYING TO HIDE
< 1325503382 337573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think the boss fight was terrible though
< 1325503404 176641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Cave Johnson is one crazy man.
< 1325503408 274253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1325503411 525780 :Effilry!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com NICK :FireFly
< 1325503417 965940 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1325503462 506676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I found myself thinking "Trine 2 is a way better puzzle game" several times.
< 1325503487 98045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when it comes to the story, trine 2 has a rather weak story, but the gameplay is way better in trine and trine 2
< 1325503567 953175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I couldn't quite get myself interested about the first Trine.
< 1325503570 618644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All right, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?! Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down
< 1325503570 782999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!"
< 1325503623 639788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I don't really like the difficulty in portal 2, I mean it is difficult for the wrong reasons. Usually it is hard because there is some white wall up high near the badly lit ceiling that I didn't spot that I had to check a walkthrough
< 1325503632 850757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual puzzles once you locate all the components are not hard
< 1325503679 111432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall very much of that, though I might just have forgotten. Hard it's not, that much is true.
< 1325503682 774636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was just one puzzle in trine 2 where I had that issue. The other I had to think about were just mechanically challenging
< 1325503736 374365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually platforming issues as well
< 1325503835 639541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an ice slope that you need to get up in a late trine 2 level, it wasn't hard to figure out how: attach a grappable (sp?) object to spiky swinging ball overhead then grapple it as the thief and wait for max swing both of the spiky ball and yourself before you release
< 1325503843 401252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :executing it was kind of hard though
< 1325503864 336449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure if you noticed that in trine 2 (if you played it?)
< 1325503884 544958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet.
< 1325503887 920431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325503907 695461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, just handcuff it to a vending machine
< 1325503913 295093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what?
< 1325503923 314331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: infamous bug in Scribblenauts
< 1325503928 923955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1325503931 524504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all the action levels can be bypassed by doing that
< 1325503933 82153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened when you did that
< 1325503940 809760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the item ends up inside the vending machine
< 1325503944 21425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can just vend it out
< 1325503946 595169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325503953 32225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1325503953 370771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and skip whatever puzzle you'd normally need to do to get the item
< 1325503983 205978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would handcuffing an item do that
< 1325503984 38255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for... because of a missing "Unknown Plugin (text/html)" this Java "personnel records" mess-plication apparently can't run.
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< 1325503998 168472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lol
< 1325504010 358444 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooo
< 1325504015 849613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I guess
< 1325504016 16593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Frooxius
< 1325504019 369618 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325504031 30264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing because I can never remember who's been here before and who hasn't
< 1325504035 88382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes I can
< 1325504039 868572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Vorpal's been here a while
< 1325504042 34472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1325504047 904333 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's first time I'm here 
< 1325504058 673526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that guy "elliott" he isn't new either, right? ;P
< 1325504074 546211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, it'd be massively out of character here for me to not do `? welcome even though you've already been welcomed, and with a more modern syntax at that
< 1325504076 43669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1325504077 416324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome
< 1325504081 32522 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325504091 397208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, modern syntax?
< 1325504093 268248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1325504099 308037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `? syntax came first
< 1325504108 992115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a less modern one then?
< 1325504112 664784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type welcome
< 1325504115 583901 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found
< 1325504117 948939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type welcome
< 1325504121 75053 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome is /hackenv/bin/welcome
< 1325504126 390217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how _vorpal_ remembers who is new when he cannot notice anything else, i don't know.
< 1325504129 817169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/welcome
< 1325504133 35265 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/welcome
< 1325504142 86959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DOS "type" = UNIX "cat"
< 1325504150 78639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was looking for bash type
< 1325504167 858741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that is a terribly complicated piece of code
< 1325504173 187327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }
< 1325504174 531714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1325504179 837657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1325504183 939232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ?
< 1325504188 155449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what
< 1325504195 595742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so it can take any number of nicks, including none
< 1325504199 632034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325504201 464225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wrote that :P
< 1325504217 54574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right. I don't really know perl
< 1325504251 173511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some of the complication is because it uses @ and ? as subprocesses
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< 1325504285 973163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to work out if @{" "} can be written as @  (that is, @ then space)
< 1325504291 455694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't really use DOS commands, nor have I really ever used them more than a handful of times, so chances are I didn't type a DOS command by mistake
< 1325504366 710560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Windows commands are based on them
< 1325504367 900815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw did you ever consider making wol use UML?
< 1325504375 53218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might end up less insane
< 1325504397 619251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose to misinterpret that as Unified Modelling Language
< 1325504397 784241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems EgoBot (but not hackego) switched to some home made umlbox that Gregor wrote
< 1325504403 928270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, user mode linux :P
< 1325504404 428106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because that makes absolutely anything more insane
< 1325504405 594092 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, it's pretty active here. I was looking for some places about esoteric languages and the others I found so far seemed quite dead
< 1325504410 916624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ISTR there's some reason user mode language wouldn't work
< 1325504417 476988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: the wiki is alive, but mostly with spambots
< 1325504423 688977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the only other active esolang place, though
< 1325504435 766364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unified Modelling Linux.
< 1325504439 473683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, only problem is that many of us tend to easily go off on unrelated tangents :P
< 1325504448 361505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a lot of off topic stuff in other words)
< 1325504456 911636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually interesting though)
< 1325504463 461486 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that seems to happen everywhere :D
< 1325504470 228153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and ISTR there's some reason user mode language wouldn't work <-- user mode language?
< 1325504480 898694 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots? Are they creating bogus pages or what?
< 1325504482 106344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meh, just assume I'm drunk
< 1325504486 25477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: they're spamming
< 1325504489 800602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very surprising that people don't solely about a very narrow topic all the time
< 1325504492 799660 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for years.
< 1325504492 964159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what spambots typically do
< 1325504493 133255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just can't imagine you /ever/ being drunk
< 1325504498 296146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not
< 1325504498 963084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it just doesn't fit into my head
< 1325504502 291939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/don't/don't talk/
< 1325504512 387322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you ever been drunk?
< 1325504512 554276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assuming it tends to simplify things, it's easier than trying to explain
< 1325504516 85452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1325504519 154873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325504525 682225 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I meant more in what specific form the spamming takes, like if it's in the discussions or making wiki pages
< 1325504529 960619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to drink alcohol slightly, but realised I didn't like it
< 1325504532 301879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: mostly page creation
< 1325504536 345142 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325504536 511183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally page replacement
< 1325504616 206551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, good point
< 1325504638 535052 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a place where I can show my language, though I made more, but they share one common idea, though they're a bit different. Can I make multiple pages for each or merge them into one big page? 
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< 1325504673 97623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple pages is probably simplest
< 1325504674 102998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw which java IDE would you recommend? I'm probably not going to use it more than a few times. Just need something
< 1325504680 285052 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325504684 99444 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1325504688 771884 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1325504694 425348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've only seen NetBeans and Eclipse; NetBeans is better, although I strongly recommend you get someone else to package it
< 1325504706 943934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1325504714 330762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((spam )(SPAM ))(~:^Sa~^*a*~:^):^
< 1325504714 497050 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM spam SPAM spam spam SPAM spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam SPAM spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam ...too much output!
< 1325504714 664503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like using my distro to install it?
< 1325504716 164697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1325504722 753667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, like that
< 1325504731 898230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if I need it on windows?
< 1325504740 991845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually need it on windows
< 1325504748 121248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't just a theoretical question
< 1325504754 520026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it on Windows myself, but I've heard that the installer is slightly insane
< 1325504759 545171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1325504794 886474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as it doesn't use ant to build I'm happy.
< 1325504828 4612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure what it uses to build, it abstracts that away from the user
< 1325504835 542616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325504843 998676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It's all right to say "too much spam!" in cases like the above.
< 1325504844 834012 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouluthy atoll. on/ whole, as far as it went,/ sterility occurs in various degrees; in both, are much convoluted; but this is an important element in/ sterility :) many foreign plants; thus,/ flat or ventral surface faces/ axis or stem; but/ footstalks must have some natural origin. a wild scheme.
< 1325504845 34 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is sponsored by oracle it seems. Hrrm.
< 1325504854 375265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1325504854 542765 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1325504857 822986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325504877 481445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the story behind the smilies now again?
< 1325504893 993305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, btw that irc bot is written in befunge-98 (an esolang)
< 1325504932 958465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs
< 1325504933 122860 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts)
< 1325504934 292778 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool :D That's ultimate esoterism! x3
< 1325504938 390034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1325504938 595309 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1325504939 58446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1325504941 949993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm?
< 1325504942 116596 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, the boy, do i? are you sure the technology!
< 1325504950 527722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, doesn't sound like iwc to me yet
< 1325504950 694641 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the new king, you are dedicating yourself, does the allosaurus have a policy on death? i can just walk through the door to the secret dwarven passage, all the classics. dickens, austen, melville, wilde, hemingway. and of course jonson had never happened, quite frankly, from the sound of a hundred. in aramaic
< 1325504956 494416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now it does
< 1325504978 441809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that model include the annotations?
< 1325504994 567235 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is 2D language right? One that I'm working on is 2D as well, though works somewhat differently 
< 1325504999 7065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1325505007 374888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, that is befunge-98, not befunge-93
< 1325505022 276143 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sorry, I don't really know much about specific versions
< 1325505030 168139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-98 is much extended compared to the 93 version
< 1325505038 323265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, again? Okay, fungot's token-to-text code has a hardcoded list of punctuation for the first N (12 or so) tokens, same as the Perl script for training the models; unfortunately, the "remove tokens used less than K times" pruning phrase applied to those too, removing the smileys which Darwin did not use, causing the two most common non-punctuation tokens ("the", "of") get the integer indices of the two last punctuation tokens (":)", "/").
< 1325505038 488805 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what, the ability to be captured a spanish galleon! arrr!! the frame is engulfed the galactic cup! they've all been targeted!
< 1325505052 940599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: -98 and -93 are reasonably radically different
< 1325505055 442921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's some other punctuation mismatch going on, but that happens more rarely.
< 1325505062 739802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1325505075 178903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1325505076 11031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it's just scripts; that's why it says "scripts" in the name.
< 1325505079 911059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325505097 331160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an "iwca" set too, but it didn't work quite as well.
< 1325505103 199711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine
< 1325505107 144096 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does the Befunge 98 have its own page on the wiki though?
< 1325505124 582308 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, found its homepage
< 1325505128 985790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325505131 491245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably sorted under funge-98
< 1325505136 19909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a catseye language
< 1325505147 664400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we tend to just link to catseye for those, rather than try to repeat the whole thing ourselves
< 1325505171 106872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey writes pretty good descriptions, and unlike most people, puts them on his own website rather than the wiki
< 1325505181 835870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, if you plan to try to implement it speak with us first. The spec is terribly unclear and the behaviour of t is broken. So what people do is use Deewiant's test suite as a reference.
< 1325505223 686303 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean, I'm implementing my own language
< 1325505233 849451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, but just as a warning :P
< 1325505235 797018 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also 2D one
< 1325505246 74556 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay 
< 1325505248 564996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, funge-98 actually comes in 1D, 2D and 3D variants
< 1325505273 737622 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm reading its page now, it said something about generalization 
< 1325505277 943954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the spec contradict itself once, is broken in another place and is terribly unclear in several places.
< 1325505307 59397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, I believe fungot here runs on my befunge-98 implementation unless fizzie switched over
< 1325505307 225394 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sorry, i don't know what they're up!
< 1325505328 279637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still cfunge.
< 1325505330 689215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325505336 268195 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool :3
< 1325505344 455102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though probably quite an old version.
< 1325505346 185992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess you wouldn't actually gain that much from using ccbi2.
< 1325505380 723764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I recommend people to compile it with clang these days. There are some unresolved issues with gcc >4.5 and -O3
< 1325505390 568929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly computationally intensive, discounting people's ^bf/^ul stuff.
< 1325505393 469986 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should write an implementation for an esolang.
< 1325505402 491612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I can tell it miscompiles, but picking out the relevant functions compiles it correctly
< 1325505413 837807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]! I like to loop it, loop it.
< 1325505416 570568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and I should write an esolang. I only ever implemented them
< 1325505418 568654 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1325505429 104429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 100k cycles, IIRC.
< 1325505445 747862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it could be worse. You could only design incredibly shitty esolangs. like me. :P
< 1325505452 752445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325505453 85761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of my good ideas never finish. 
< 1325505460 636157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1325505483 694429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a very disciplined individual.
< 1325505491 178808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway once tup gets support for variants I'm going to ditch cmake and go for autoconf + tup
< 1325505497 795209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just  getting myself to finish all of the important things is difficult enough. :P
< 1325505500 968862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm working on that.
< 1325505534 744542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which should provide some benefits, such as less broken handling of non-C files.
< 1325505553 319534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that is one thing cmakes does get right: dependencies for C-files.
< 1325505610 348177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my two language ideas involve an improvement to standard regex to make it turing complete (I wouldn't call it too esoteric as it's pretty normal)
< 1325505625 251716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you know PCRE is turing complete for example?
< 1325505654 217602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second idea is a sort of mix between graph rewriting and constraint/logic programming, with reversible semantics (basically it never deletes anything (unless I can come up with a sensible garbage collector but I doubt it))
< 1325505662 823573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, well yes.
< 1325505667 485698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to make it more general purpose, rather.
< 1325505671 910210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325505702 677928 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tup still doesn't have variants? Dang.
< 1325505703 343550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, perl's regex are very general purpose, they permit embedding perl code to be executed at various points during the matching
< 1325505719 989643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, I last checked like right before xmas. It /might/ have it now
< 1325505726 738974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it reminds me of one reversible computing architecture i read about; it came with an actual physical bit bucket for when you really wanted to delete something :)
< 1325505763 838167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but yeah what with all the build variants of cfunge that is what is holding me back from using it
< 1325505774 138875 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I last checked a couple of months ago and thought it was on the top of the todo list :-P
< 1325505791 457755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325505798 530844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a bit down on the list
< 1325505799 863960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since theoretically irreversibility is equivalent to heat production (landauer's principle) you'd want that to be physically expelled, i think
< 1325505800 30613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am aware of all the different kinds of regex and what they can do.
< 1325505800 195208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325505809 74106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, /all/ of them? ;P
< 1325505818 169929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows all the regex. All of them.
< 1325505819 836680 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I'm a little poorly versed in POSIX regex
< 1325505825 298278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I hate it.
< 1325505827 966791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, what about .NET regex?
< 1325505845 386568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used it? does that count?
< 1325505849 398238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1325505854 229033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, the java ones?
< 1325505859 54770 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't used those no.
< 1325505860 554748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX regex come in BREs and EREs, is what you need to know.
< 1325505867 386050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you use ERE
< 1325505872 50083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because BRE are annoying
< 1325505888 823062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't plain grep use BRE iirc?
< 1325505890 27929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is BRE where you backslash everything?
< 1325505900 599346 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what emacs uses)
< 1325505902 498189 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I hate that.
< 1325505903 8210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, egrep is ERE
< 1325505906 606348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1325505907 106093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does, yes.
< 1325505912 19540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think emacs might use something else
< 1325505913 723881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1325505930 201135 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs basically reverses the semantics of backslashes.
< 1325505936 596983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1325505937 430133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is not strictly POSIX, IIRC. But it does involve a lot of backslashing.
< 1325505941 862134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like BREs.
< 1325505944 530943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325505963 477152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also sed uses BRE right?
< 1325505978 684280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[.>,]<[[<]>[.>]<]!I like to loop it, loop it. 
< 1325505978 848537 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to loop it, loop it. I like to l ...
< 1325505981 750313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you do like s/aa*/... rather than s/a+/...
< 1325505993 409413 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim has four forms: 'nomagic', 'magic', 'very magic', and 'very nomagic'.
< 1325505997 906315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325506000 69341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hah
< 1325506003 531191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do they mean?
< 1325506022 314714 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I'm a bit confused about the page creation though. My languages are designed for their own, also somewhat esoteric processing units (there's an emulator - virtual machine and also FPGA soft-core implementation, though not published yet, but it will be later). Should I make a page named after the processing unit or the language? Or maybe both, like "Unit - Language"?
< 1325506033 390909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes I was considering having a way to basically delete nodes so that you can manage memory.
< 1325506038 428961 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'magic' is the default and is quite similar to BRE, I think.
< 1325506042 801887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, verilog or vhdl?
< 1325506048 628250 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL
< 1325506051 125432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325506055 651092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to read it then
< 1325506058 651753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is cool
< 1325506064 204322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that you implemented that)
< 1325506084 459437 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nomagic' seems to change only . and *, so that they need to be escaped if you want their special behaviour.
< 1325506089 312733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that question is best to ask ais523
< 1325506119 524464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh, and the very variants?
< 1325506125 356293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: page should be named after the language
< 1325506138 853895 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok, thanks
< 1325506139 752813 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure to what extent it's going to be full graph rewriting. i.e. I don't want rewriting large subgraphs to be the main means of computation since that's really inefficient.
< 1325506142 830205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the language has only one specific purpose, explain what it is on the page
< 1325506152 564723 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'very magic' is like ERE, I guess: every character with a special behaviour uses it by default, and you need to escape it to match the literal character.
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< 1325506168 139202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and very nomagic?
< 1325506175 429269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 'very nomagic' is the converse: only backslash has a special behaviour.
< 1325506176 638734 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is tied a lot though to the processing unit architecture
< 1325506188 165618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325506196 1322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't really see this language being efficient at all, considering how it works.
< 1325506199 345932 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I want it to run in hardware. Yesterday, I was simulating 128 cores on my laptop. It ran 30 kHz (simulated) x3
< 1325506204 995372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, are there several languages for the same processing unit?
< 1325506212 267130 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet
< 1325506215 339831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325506236 173636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 128 cores, is it some sort of massively parallel esolang?
< 1325506241 783922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember seeing any of those before
< 1325506246 873944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially it works something like this:  constraint | pattern -> rewrite
< 1325506254 763498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, wasn't there one that ais523 claimed would be good on GPUs?
< 1325506287 896885 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it can automatically distributes the work on several cores, though it depends on the algorithm and how many cores are available
< 1325506289 276597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkout's basically eso by virtue of being too low-level
< 1325506289 441229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :each computation step produces a copied state of the graph, which each new node pointing to its predecessor(s) via a "past edge", which makes it possible to revert past edges.
< 1325506297 438018 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/which/with.
< 1325506301 718302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really an esolang designed for GPUs, more a description of how GPUs worked converted to esolang form
< 1325506305 592241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\./\//
< 1325506318 829371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do they still work that way?
< 1325506329 790140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so
< 1325506332 997450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's changed in the last year
< 1325506340 65654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is possible, I guess, but seems moderately unlikely
< 1325506350 699815 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made huge block of instructions and then ran simulation just for fun on 128 cores |3
< 1325506368 387551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he's probably going to implement the graph lang in Haskell because why not.
< 1325506402 58954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I'm missing an FMA instruction. I think most GPUs have them
< 1325506423 164998 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I made some tests and if I make a simple algorithm, that's about 20 instructions and run it with one core, it takes 40 cycles to complete with one core and only 12 cycles with four cores. 
< 1325506430 794286 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, while producing same result
< 1325506434 573003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yes, it matches what I know about GPUs pretty much
< 1325506443 139467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure about the selection of instructions
< 1325506452 606665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selection of instructions was mostly a guess
< 1325506494 953823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you don't seem to represent there being some hard coded functionality still left. Like dedicated linear interpolation circuitry or texture lookup units
< 1325506510 387933 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports parallelism, but it's not so massive parallel like GPUs are
< 1325506524 650777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it doesn't allow for hardcoded highlevel stuff
< 1325506526 878590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very low-level
< 1325506532 631853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /does/ allow for texture lookup; that's what rocopy is for
< 1325506534 367244 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is also going to BREAK THE MINDS OF ALL PROGRAMMERS EVER by making & and | the boolean logical operators because this makes way more sense than && and ||
< 1325506535 318168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, I look forward to seeing this language
< 1325506538 766427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah.
< 1325506559 203730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with texture interpolation?
< 1325506562 618966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325506571 191034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is like the key feature of textures to me
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< 1325506597 163704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I haven't used OpenCL so for all I know it might match that
< 1325506600 496015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly used GLSL
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< 1325506786 970931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is abstain/1 like in intercal?
< 1325506881 414284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like computed abstain forced at 1, then regular abstain
< 1325506884 657127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still more like an if statement
< 1325506888 877794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325506892 152920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same as an if except for timing
< 1325506943 907168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc real GPUs tend to execute the same code on all processing elements in a given core, just throw away any results that wasn't actually taken by the given processing eleme nt
< 1325506946 900957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :element*
< 1325506967 496152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed
< 1325506971 409470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm getting at with abstain
< 1325506975 82760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325506982 429975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code has to be executed, it's just that it can ignore what it does
< 1325506989 131172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325507024 903519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where do you handle that for loops? I do believe GLSL allows different loops to take a different number of iterations
< 1325507038 26795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is
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< 1325507045 724093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same loop on different processing elements
< 1325507054 765488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you just abstain the last few times
< 1325507058 649155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it'd have to cap it to the maximum number of iterations
< 1325507068 335313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1325507079 126268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, all sane GPU programming would make a loop have the same number of iterations for the entire weave
< 1325507090 68720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1325507097 989825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not sure what you mean by weave here
< 1325507112 874860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a technical GPU term
< 1325507116 410311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is half-weave
< 1325507121 898574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean though?
< 1325507127 63260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a half-weave is the number of actual commands that run simultaneously on one processing element
< 1325507130 782796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325507137 230290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a weave is the number of commands that /effectively/ run simultaneously
< 1325507140 935359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325507144 538950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's a 1-cycle pipelining delay
< 1325507181 729401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I could do something TOTALLY CRAZY
< 1325507193 766653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the rule is that weaves give you perfect simultaneity, and that you need to synchronize things like memory accesses within a half-weave to get the best results
< 1325507199 510204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make v and ^ for logical conjunction/disjunction
< 1325507202 216149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1325507215 62080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but these details seems to be hidden from you when you are writing GLSL?
< 1325507215 402796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: nah, use Unicode
< 1325507220 608656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, indeed
< 1325507224 745465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLSL is rather higher level than OpenCL
< 1325507226 334981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't type Unicode quickly. :P
< 1325507230 497910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah.
< 1325507238 122819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I want to avoid opencl then?
< 1325507248 374419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that stuff sounds annoying
< 1325507275 135523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just noticed "avoid if when at all possible" seemed to work pretty well for glsl
< 1325507293 15406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it depends on what you're writing the code /for/
< 1325507302 233979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to write vertex and fragment shaders, glsl is a pretty good choice
< 1325507309 501131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also does anyone actually use the geometry shader?
< 1325507315 631091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to perform well at all
< 1325507322 657761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think using Haskell's list monad will make the logic programming stuff much easier.
< 1325507332 173566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to write bitcoin mining code, you're probably better off with opencl
< 1325507338 71124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right
< 1325507338 737990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure; they're a comparatively new thing
< 1325507348 478902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not entirely up-to-date on what they actually do
< 1325507377 784509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and if you want to use the GPU to accelerate image manipulation? I know hugin uses GLSL for it, but is it actually the best choice?
< 1325507403 526016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> but I can't type Unicode quickly. :P <-- I can. Try M-x set-input-method RET TeX RET
< 1325507411 853179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome
< 1325507429 481573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I don't know TeX though? :P
< 1325507429 814771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, I'm not sure
< 1325507435 208946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly depends on what manipulation you're doing
< 1325507436 269691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you need to learn it
< 1325507453 357457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main advantage of something like opencl is that you could make sure that memory was being loaded in an optimal way
< 1325507454 197691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well in the case of hugin, mapping flat images into whatever shape it needs to be for merging in a panorama
< 1325507459 814555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use it for the actual merging
< 1325507465 145592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the bending of the input images
< 1325507482 675297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you might want to use the texture units there
< 1325507496 339775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get interpolation when there wasn't a 1:1 map for the pixels (the usual case)
< 1325507510 99328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you access the texture units from opencl?
< 1325507636 479102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's called "constant memory"
< 1325507652 729339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but can you get the interpolation then?
< 1325507674 403624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure; my guess is it'd involve a nonstandard but nonetheless common extension
< 1325507678 702764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325507871 710481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, now I see why they say Haskell's type system is like a mini-Prolog.
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< 1325508339 716371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw does opencl have built in noise functions?
< 1325508352 588284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, glsl does but most GPUs just return 0 on them
< 1325508357 633003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have too much built in stuff
< 1325508358 131721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them effectively useless
< 1325508373 305055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those languages which is bare-bones and expects people to write libraries for it
< 1325508399 453734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with most I mean all but one card series which I believe is nowdays discontinued
< 1325508411 958446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some 3dfx thingy iirc)
< 1325508509 317988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence
< 1325508511 731745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see
< 1325508528 613586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes this different from implication over the conjunction of every element in the set...
< 1325508578 45553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, GLSL kind of reminds me of NQC. NQC is a C-like language for the Lego Mindstorms standard firmware. It had lots of useful domain-specific functions and not much else.
< 1325508581 421909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why does it get its own name, basically.
< 1325508843 696506 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let entails :: [Bool] -> Bool -> Bool; entails ss s = not (and ss && not s) in entails [2 < 4, 2 > 0] (2 == 3)
< 1325508844 696193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1325508973 44367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let entails :: [Bool] -> Bool -> Bool; entails ss s = not (and ss) || s in entails [2 < 4, 2 > 0] (2 == 2)
< 1325508974 43654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1325508976 67711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better
< 1325509065 478728 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :De Morgan's laws to the rescue.
< 1325509095 332913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what a strange texture format: floating point, 9 bits of precision, shared exponent. GL_RGB9_E5
< 1325509107 974924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 5 bits of exponent I think?
< 1325509125 637660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three 9s are 27, plus 5 is 32
< 1325509128 877691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325509131 916973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it packs neatly
< 1325509134 275282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still it is a pretty strange format
< 1325509183 690748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also GL_R11F_G11F_B10F
< 1325509188 22023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those floats lack sign bits
< 1325509196 896228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the blue one has less precision
< 1325509197 896749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1325509214 863100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it'd sum up to 32.
< 1325509228 236325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you need negative numbers in a texture? 
< 1325509239 15208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1325509255 533521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still it is a strange format with less precision in blue
< 1325509268 270191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are a bunch of asymmetrical pixel formats like that
< 1325509273 603733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325509274 439628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a common 556 one, for instance
< 1325509281 578856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325509281 744955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's based on what the eyes are best at distinguishing
< 1325509288 69503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was 5-6-5 with 6 on green, most commonly.
< 1325509301 387757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in opengl as far as I can find
< 1325509312 23314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure what order it's in, but 6 on green is entirely believable
< 1325509318 789026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 3-3-2 (integer) for example
< 1325509334 203402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :normalized integer even
< 1325509336 926224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth would a 2-bit float be like anyway?
< 1325509338 93507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that is
< 1325509359 534420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even sillier, a 1-bit float
< 1325509365 406426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325509484 25233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old OpenGL glTexImage2D man page I have here lists GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_5_6_5 for the external format.
< 1325509513 969488 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325509536 383466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the 4_4_4_4 all-four-bit RGBA, and the 5551 "I guess we can spare a single bit for an alpha channel" formats.
< 1325509541 89207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 10_10_10_2.
< 1325509569 900442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mostly looking at floating point formats
< 1325509589 868057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure I can find all of those apart from 565
< 1325509617 205133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does 5551 have 128 shades of colour, and 128 shades of transparent?
< 1325509621 78131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a little weird
< 1325509647 68398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, you could define transparent white as actual transparent
< 1325509647 940298 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :just two shades of transparent?
< 1325509658 647632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a fixed arbitrary value for the alpha as the other value
< 1325509671 573764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 128? 5+5+5 is 15 bits.
< 1325509674 475305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: it's not Either Transparent (Word5,Word5,Word5)
< 1325509681 645682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (Word5,Word5,Word5,Boolean)
< 1325509683 312988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, right
< 1325509689 393425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32768
< 1325509738 186950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your list is probably for the internal color formats, which might not have a 565 one.
< 1325509767 753110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it probably is, I'm looking on the opengl wiki
< 1325509772 847096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt texture formats
< 1325509779 927497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :image formats even
< 1325509793 885155 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why does Prolog only allow horn clauses..
< 1325509801 164420 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? I know three word5 and a boolean but what does the boolean mean? You use the first three to store the color and boolean to determine two levels of transparency?
< 1325509819 491337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5 + 5 + 5 + 1, right?
< 1325509821 703145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit is a boolean
< 1325509835 608983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that once you've set the alpha channel to transparent, you still have 15 bits of color
< 1325509843 483690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, iirc they are easy to compute?
< 1325509850 508597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1325509853 350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're just wasting, because different shades of totally transparent are visually indistinguishable
< 1325509856 118256 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but why have 15 bits of color?
< 1325509866 606179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, like always possible to find an answer to
< 1325509867 606665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: so if it's not transparent, then you can have colors
< 1325509875 253963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, unlike some other forms
< 1325509875 920781 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what's bothering me as well 
< 1325509878 586318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 32769 useful possibilities out of 65536 here
< 1325509878 752494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is all iirc
< 1325509882 954807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Retaining color values even in fully transparent regions might still make sense; it's not like it's rendered as-is always.
< 1325509887 67053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suggesting that perhaps the format should do something with the other 32767
< 1325509892 187697 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the bit means that it's completely transparent then the color doesn't matter that much
< 1325509900 424285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, indeed, and many graphics packages have an option to do just that
< 1325509931 453141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you might want to use it for something else. It is not like the pipeline is fixed
< 1325509958 806870 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about to store first some bitmap (literally map of booleans) that determine transparency and then store ONLY visible pixels, that is ,the transparent ones will be skipped. If you want to save space
< 1325509959 139995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're using it for something else, why are you putting an RGBA meaning on it anyway?
< 1325509969 999638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: that'd be hell on a GPU's memory model
< 1325509975 395371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a compression format, not an in-memory graphics format
< 1325509989 844181 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were talking about in-memory 
< 1325510005 446073 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of popped in the middle of discussion x3
< 1325510020 842830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have those weirdo in-memory compressed texture formats too.
< 1325510036 506263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :S3TC and whatever.
< 1325510039 5156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325510075 9508 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, though the one I mentioned can't be easily accessed, in order to find a pixel by its x and y position, you would have to scan the bit-alpha map first 
< 1325510076 861310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> well, if you're using it for something else, why are you putting an RGBA meaning on it anyway? <-- because that isn't what you do, those are just names assigned to the specific channels
< 1325510087 756844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could just call them xyzw or 0123
< 1325510159 865135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used textures for other stuff than images. Like a height map that I then used in the geometry shader.
< 1325510173 540475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, indeed, that's the point
< 1325510186 215083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not convinced that splitting into 5+5+5+1 format is useful for nonimages
< 1325510187 381397 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... though I understand the feeling. I was designing an opcode and I needed to encode 5 directions, but I had to use 3 bits for that and I still have 3 variations undefined... and it keeps bothering me and I keep thinking of how can I use them |3
< 1325510187 880511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it ended up in the red channel
< 1325510197 374121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325510235 179207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, just draw a whatever-those-diagrams were called.
< 1325510243 741556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you calculate the gates by hand
< 1325510249 593326 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karnagaugh maps? 
< 1325510251 962975 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1325510252 497565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah
< 1325510254 501915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those
< 1325510259 215691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my esolang will work with any kind of boolean statement since there's no logical implication involved (i.e. nothing like Prolog's :- )
< 1325510260 663607 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's something different.
< 1325510264 496518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, you *do* get a RGB555 image plus a mask bitmap in the same "thing". You could use it for the "can fly through" mask for a cave-flying game.
< 1325510278 180624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, well you could work out what sort of opcode encoding would give you the least number of gates :D
< 1325510280 930663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red/green/blue/collidable? I suppose that makes sense
< 1325510288 265344 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about assigning the bits meanings
< 1325510292 602324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about that myself, and decided that collidable often needs more than one bit
< 1325510302 658681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1325510306 203572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implications are state transitions, rather than logical statements.
< 1325510332 411986 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the variations, if I have 3 bits, to store 5 states and other 3 are undefined
< 1325510336 165624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, indeed, but I mean you should check which assignment of the bits give the simplest logic
< 1325510357 416793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to determine what happens on collision
< 1325510359 961520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at least one cave-flyer had a strictly black-and-white mask bitmap, albeit stored in a separate file. (Though some I recall having more complicated formats, for things that can explode/be set on fire/whatever.)
< 1325510364 846462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, game over :P
< 1325510366 212768 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic is simple, I mean, decoding it
< 1325510392 533708 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a simple straightforward way
< 1325510394 367382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I'm used to games with collisions having multiple sorts of collisions
< 1325510398 906500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, come on, if you ever want to implement it in TTL logic and wire wrapping you could save yourself a lot of work by making the logic required simple :P
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< 1325510407 951396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in platformers, often you take damage hitting enemies from the sides, but not from above
< 1325510430 584164 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing it on FPGA 
< 1325510433 94557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not sure you would store that in the image format anyway
< 1325510444 435451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, well sure, but what if you want to do it old school in the future?
< 1325510452 353511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The RGB10_A2 format gives you four types.
< 1325510467 244741 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I already saved myself a lot of work
< 1325510470 922180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325510490 403783 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the way it's designed, I can use exactly same decoding on these 5 states as with another form of encoding, which uses 30 variations
< 1325510503 346315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, you just use two layers of n-input NANDs
< 1325510508 220918 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can use same logic to decode both. 
< 1325510518 916079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to efficiently implement any truth table with TTL logic and wire-wrapping
< 1325510523 913549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1325510527 952863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiently in terms of time
< 1325510540 166622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be inefficient in terms of logic size in some cases
< 1325510556 448837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much of a truth table, it basically corresponds to numeric base 5
< 1325510570 803564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you have like 4 in-signals and you can arrange the values so that they are groupable in a kaurnaugh diagram you save yourself some wires
< 1325510581 383343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as gates
< 1325510593 20767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the problem's small enough to K-map it
< 1325510601 781340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're probably not going to run out of gates anyway
< 1325510606 121825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1325510616 99375 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if I would do it old school way though. It would be too large anyway
< 1325510619 766229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this Frooxius person?
< 1325510621 346862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that S3TC/DXT1 format is the fanciest. Each 4x4 pixel block is stored as two RGB565 (there's the 565 again...) color values, color0 and color1, followed by a 32-bit integer holding two bits per pixel in the block; each pixel is either color0 (bits 00), color1 (bits 01), (2*color0+color1)/3 (bits 10, color0 > color1), (color0+color1)/2 (bits 10, color0 <= color1), (color0 + 2*color1)/3 (bits 11, color0 > color1) or black (bits 11, color0 <= color1).
< 1325510634 813444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but even for larger problems you could still save some gates.
< 1325510643 943037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it might be more work figuring out how
< 1325510671 765671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's Karnaugh, not "Karnagaugh" or "kaurnaugh".
< 1325510676 107336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1325510702 379693 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't remember how to spell it in English 
< 1325510729 403163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the guy's name, you don't spell it any differently in any other language.
< 1325510765 667346 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :We spell some names a bit differently in our language
< 1325510777 173261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How impolite.
< 1325510784 470710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like everyone has to call SOMs "Kohonen maps" no matter how stupid they think it sounds.
< 1325510785 303688 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325510806 46976 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not THAT different, I don't really remember how to spell his name 
< 1325510827 408579 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember all the names
< 1325510831 360774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the names of the ancient greeks tend to be spelled differently in different languages though
< 1325510853 375617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess there's some variation allowed when the alphabet differs.
< 1325510891 727121 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus our language has modifiers. If I were to spell your name in some conjunction in my language, it would be "fizziovy mapy"
< 1325510898 198353 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's due to the grammar. 
< 1325510913 955938 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most nouns are modified and have many variants
< 1325510923 422737 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it would sound... REALLY weird 
< 1325510944 888158 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually only the ending portion of the name is modified though
< 1325510975 593285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language is that?
< 1325510978 861092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is a very inflectional language too, and admittedly we add a suffix to Karnaugh; it's just that generally I think everyone's name should be spelled the way they want it.
< 1325511003 169771 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czech
< 1325511005 94702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325511021 909064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly the name isn't Finnish-enough looking, so we have to call it "Karnaugh'n kartta" with an apostrophe.
< 1325511041 73930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish we don't generally modify names beyond the "belongs to"-suffix. Because plural and definite form suffixes doesn't make sense on names
< 1325511048 115597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess plural might
< 1325511051 375551 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Karnaugh has only suffix, but sometimes last one or two letters are modified as well
< 1325511061 542973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for family names
< 1325511087 818709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got 15 noun cases, and many of them make sense for names.
< 1325511093 187614 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... I just don't remember how exactly to spell his name, that's why I added "or something like that"
< 1325511093 520744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strangely enough it is called Karnaughdiagram in Swedish, not Karnaughkarta
< 1325511115 309881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not a "map"-map all geography-like.
< 1325511125 357733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325511129 364837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called map in my language
< 1325511140 524966 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "mapa" 
< 1325511150 678396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called map in Finnish too, but "diagram" makes equally much, if not more, sense.
< 1325511153 577260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, it's bank-time. ->
< 1325511153 742592 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-161-151-33.eurotel.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that one doesnt mean just geography map
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< 1325511451 259638 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding the 5551 though... what if the last bit activates some transparency mode, where the first 15 bits get reallocated like 4443 - RGBA, that is 4 bits for every color channel (so the color resolution lowers a bit) and 8 levels of transparency
< 1325511540 404514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget my link.. awesome topic.. i need to scroll up on this one i think
< 1325511544 150747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :color formats
< 1325511577 744876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds slightly complicated, though certainly possible. Also, 9 levels when you count the non-transparent case.
< 1325511580 199025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/104/0/8/nyan_cat_timelapse_by_kingaby-d3dygfa.jpg
< 1325511589 414854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they could do some huffman encoding of images kind of
< 1325511610 627292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. determining the probability rates of color neighbourhoods
< 1325511610 833934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpeg uses these fancy things called wavelets.
< 1325511616 377995 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaay DA, did you make that kallisti?
< 1325511624 44121 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: not at all
< 1325511650 126491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to call DCT a wavelet transformation...
< 1325511703 268501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that the JPEG2000 nobody uses does actual wavelets, though.
< 1325511704 850724 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like .,.. if middle pixel is FF0000, then topleft pixel is a% likely to be 000000, b% likely to be 000001, c% likely to be 000002... hsahss% likely to be FFFFFF
< 1325511723 625967 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that reminds me of this joke I made http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/338/5/f/eight_gigabytes_of_ram_by_frooxius-d4i5698.png :3
< 1325511743 771711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh yes that's the one I was thinking of.
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< 1325511768 583397 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh again
< 1325511771 114687 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that reminds me of this joke I made http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/338/5/f/eight_gigabytes_of_ram_by_frooxius-d4i5698.png :3
< 1325511791 961464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got through the first time
< 1325511808 367729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offhand I wouldn't be surprised if you could mathematically speaking describe DCT as a wavelet transformation with the right sort of really boring basis functions.
< 1325511811 946093 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, sorry, I lost connection immediately after sending that, so I wasn't sure
< 1325511814 780506 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the basis of these %'s, you could map the bits of the neighbouring pixels somehow
< 1325511850 646769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- sort of dumb, sort of smart, both at same time
< 1325511858 868912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL doesn't do Amiga's HAM formats. :/
< 1325511877 147795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, back out to the snow. ->
< 1325511878 481539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what were those?
< 1325511880 893117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1325511897 936152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold And Modify, the pixels depend on neighbors.
< 1325511916 214236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get more colors but it's difficult to do sharp edges.
< 1325511941 360891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahh.. so i had a nice idea but its done long ago eh?
< 1325511947 536907 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually here's link to the DA page, not direct to image http://frooxius.deviantart.com/art/Eight-Gigabytes-Of-RAM-272339180 Dunno why I linked that
< 1325511975 413223 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has already been done :P
< 1325511981 460476 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :criuudhwudihewuidhwe uidhweuidh ewuidhewuihduiew dhwuih diuhw diuhw iudh iuwehdiuhweiudhweuihdiuwhduiwdwe
< 1325512005 416768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log fuck fuck fuck
< 1325512034 84454 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-02-11.txt:01:49:58: <SimonRC> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
< 1325512068 661218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay I accidentally invented FRP.
< 1325512081 985967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog wtf
< 1325512100 519910 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-11-19.txt:04:38:00: <Darth_Cliche> WTF!
< 1325512100 685514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh cool
< 1325512104 432942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog wtf
< 1325512118 730112 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-05-01.txt:00:19:54: <SimonRC> but WTF does the group have that effect on me?
< 1325512133 305795 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. simonrc is popular in these logs
< 1325512178 533657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously if you search for swearwords you're going to get people who swear more
< 1325512190 41623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog motherfucker
< 1325512194 627137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325512197 456313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about the chance of no results
< 1325512199 119819 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-18.txt:20:41:14: <elliott> Jeb did it, motherfucker.
< 1325512208 276698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, there was at least one
< 1325512233 290320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog motherfucker
< 1325512240 410162 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-22.txt:23:54:58: <Gregor> http://programming-motherfucker.com/
< 1325512273 86076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog Feather
< 1325512275 962006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I went /there/
< 1325512280 695458 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-08-23.txt:17:41:11: <AnMaster> ais523, feather?
< 1325512292 99138 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bubbles
< 1325512309 702891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325512322 136454 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well.. yes i feel proud that i just described HAM (in my poorly worded kind of way).. it is a testament to my comprehension of pixels
< 1325512348 358156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, esoteric idea: image format that's neither raster nor vector
< 1325512360 649873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what other possibilities are there?
< 1325512362 483908 :nooga!~nooga@c35-253.icpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325512390 697401 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some language to describe the image algorithmically? 
< 1325512392 696173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs.
< 1325512405 340994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: hmm, I was wondering along those lines too
< 1325512407 216076 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry had to laugh
< 1325512420 967907 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325512426 812767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as an insult
< 1325512429 17223 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325512433 355075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, just because someone had to
< 1325512438 430496 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325512475 303828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my way of approaching this kind of problem would be to look for the generalization
< 1325512485 129029 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make another child from it
< 1325512498 339777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1325512499 385199 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325512501 384795 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this connection >.<
< 1325512505 387881 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some language to describe the image algorithmically? 
< 1325512508 96058 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they actually used something like that for one (or possibly more) game that they squeezed to 100 kB or so. They actually stored all textures and such algorithmically 
< 1325512521 780911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, vector and raster would be, children of some parent
< 1325512552 913714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1325512569 660942 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the game took like... ages to load, because it needed to render all the stuff |3
< 1325512573 869789 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok ok.. heres one idea i had once
< 1325512589 179622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an 8x4 monochrome display... 
< 1325512600 214710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… raster images are a bit like an imperative description of what to draw to the screen
< 1325512601 716562 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video memory consists of a single 32 bit integer
< 1325512602 754546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is, say, RLE images
< 1325512618 64058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more complicated compression schemes are more like an OO description
< 1325512638 592573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vector images are a bit like a declarative description, if you consider "what to draw to the screen" to be a rasterisation
< 1325512649 749822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hmm, what else is left?
< 1325512669 27351 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. its too hot and im too hungry for this lovely topic wuaahhh
< 1325512695 177181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, we need constraint-based images
< 1325512728 60203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am primarily interested in graphics 
< 1325512734 639984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have tried to figure some stuff out before
< 1325512741 265848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea i had once was....
< 1325512743 359136 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1325512774 555038 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an image which has only 1 colour, can be stretched and shrunken without affecting it at all
< 1325512843 812908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not true for raster images, surely?
< 1325512854 774301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's 100x100, and you stretch it to 150x150
< 1325512858 523480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't roundtrip it back to100x100
< 1325512861 107206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to 100x100
< 1325512866 283021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean solid color, I see
< 1325512869 994763 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1325512937 134781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i applied myself to thinking about graphics in the past but never really got far
< 1325512945 667070 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was one idea i realized
< 1325513002 947927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kerio> it's still not an excuse for a modern os to ship without a ssh client or with a telnet client
< 1325513013 74707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ for all the people who just wouldn't believe me when I told them I knew an ssh fanboy
< 1325513029 862559 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.137.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but 1 solid color is not much of an image 
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< 1325513063 566170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the spur of the moment i just descrbed a way that a set of images can be optimized for hold and modify without having heard of hold and modify before.. so i feel pretty accomplished from that
< 1325513098 629639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i have heard of it..
< 1325513106 108704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an old edition of computer and video games
< 1325513117 649260 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the article just said the prorgammers used some clever tricks
< 1325513138 143193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its an unconcious uhm
< 1325513147 155205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconcious plagiarism
< 1325513183 69334 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh i sure ramble
< 1325513283 831732 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325513315 285813 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost signal again >.< 
< 1325513504 17322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... i saved a document by accident.. and lost all the images inside it
< 1325513506 223890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy vey
< 1325513645 650458 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkrieger <- game you're thinking of (probably)
< 1325513696 564330 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats myself around the head with imaginary baseball bat
< 1325513802 221069 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Textures are stored via their creation history instead of a per-pixel basis" .. interesting
< 1325513821 516793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: maybe i was not actually thinking of ham at all
< 1325513824 183711 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an interesting optimization task anyway
< 1325513832 759944 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham what
< 1325513836 275390 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some scifi game in an old magazine
< 1325513836 940877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a ham sandwich!
< 1325513837 775064 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325513850 675430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said that the programmers used some tricks to get more colours
< 1325513875 761749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, i was referring to frooxius's comment
< 1325513881 816360 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkreiger is probably the game he was talking about
< 1325513889 813696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was?
< 1325513899 386393 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius> I think they actually used something like that for one (or possibly more) game that they squeezed to 100 kB or so. They actually stored all textures and such algorithmically
< 1325513912 959357 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :demoscene dudes are pretty cool :)
< 1325513938 162469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a file went bad in open office
< 1325513941 661215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read recently that there were some people developing an esolang-like language for golfing demos
< 1325513946 599683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did repair but repair didnt go well
< 1325513969 617408 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i tried to save it.. i did so without thinking and overwrote it
< 1325513980 622458 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my graviton
< 1325513989 538941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really matter.. i retained all the text, but i had some silly images
< 1325513998 453883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the images gave this file character
< 1325514011 406024 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection... O.e I got no messages for a few minutes and then BAM! a few dozen messages at once x3
< 1325514042 20326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got three copies?
< 1325514045 25654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put a lot of work into my little documents.. i need to be more careful
< 1325514046 62178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, interesting
< 1325514060 977534 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall name of that 100 kB game, though I can look it up
< 1325514068 767799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i played the 96kb game
< 1325514072 733783 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: kkreiger
< 1325514077 725530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325514081 264111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff
< 1325514081 428522 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325514088 142760 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think that's the one
< 1325514098 815391 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it was an entry in a demo party
< 1325514107 818518 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the most notable one people seem to have heard of :)
< 1325514130 823185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, you're the one with a cyborg account, right?
< 1325514134 276140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkrieger*
< 1325514141 522021 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1325514141 686885 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1325514142 354745 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1325514142 521403 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\  >\ /|      |     /´\ /|   |\     |     /<   >\  |\
< 1325514142 685614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_|¯'\                   /'\
< 1325514142 685809 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  |_)               (_| |_)
< 1325514156 731710 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like artistic games a lot though. I try to make my own games as an art form 
< 1325514190 345466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game i am thinking of turns out to be Universe on Amiga
< 1325514204 783688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once read they used some kind of tricks to get more colours
< 1325514264 699097 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyborg account?
< 1325514267 57719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Universe was based on a modified version of Enchantia's game engine (the most notable addition was the in-game text and dialogue system and the increase in the Amiga color palette)"
< 1325514275 3139 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, i'm not sure what you're talking about :)
< 1325514277 376191 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, half bot
< 1325514281 747549 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half not bot
< 1325514284 368338 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol
< 1325514290 136427 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"account" doesn't really apply on irc
< 1325514295 221916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nah, i just idle a bunch :)
< 1325514301 382784 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nick
< 1325514309 592051 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you do the celebrate thing
< 1325514317 972889 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1325514326 58495 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it appears that somebody stored a convenience macro \o/
< 1325514326 391400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                          |
< 1325514326 555882 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                         /<
< 1325514333 897091 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it draws legs on anything though
< 1325514343 518135 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \m/ \m/
< 1325514343 850738 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   `\o/´69
< 1325514344 185869 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     |
< 1325514344 350198 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    /´¯|_)
< 1325514344 350374 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  (_|
< 1325514369 784803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the leading 9s?
< 1325514388 273015 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading ... 9s?
< 1325514399 61300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myndzi> 9   `\o/´9
< 1325514399 393525 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               |
< 1325514399 726218 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              /|
< 1325514410 304746 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your irc client is rendering color codes weirdly
< 1325514420 350510 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's... mine?
< 1325514426 59900 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ^k69^o
< 1325514441 42176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no nines nor any colours
< 1325514451 11460 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how it should be ;)
< 1325514463 407293 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no colors at all 
< 1325514467 744444 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not colored
< 1325514470 617631 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reset directly after them
< 1325514480 936231 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hidden tags so i don't interpret lines multiple times or when pasted etc.
< 1325514481 435737 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1325514494 662139 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long as it was copied in color anyway
< 1325514503 915631 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of bot-loop protection
< 1325514517 565013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1325514523 853390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the possible smilies starts with `
< 1325514531 941457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dancers
< 1325514539 782755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if not for that leading screwup, you could get a loop with hackego
< 1325514550 421155 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325514550 918264 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1325514551 82686 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325514566 797664 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i wrote this script some time before i ever came here, but you have the idea ;)
< 1325514577 9719 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a problem so i fixed it, i don't even remember what the problem was now
< 1325514585 710916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have only applied to me!
< 1325514602 862928 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i do some funky things with my own client
< 1325514618 192204 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example...
< 1325514622 904551 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example...
< 1325514765 111705 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go, byeeee
< 1325514779 748355 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325514779 913755 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-193.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325514780 786939 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.235.110 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325514783 858910 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1325515088 565656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i have pondered about graphics is that things like graphics plots never resemble anything
< 1325515147 742757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it is not common for a formula to represent a bitmap
< 1325515200 556880 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bitmaps don't frequently come in the form of elegant mathematical expressions ;)
< 1325515205 968326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read about fractal compression?
< 1325515220 991317 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most lineart is discontinuous
< 1325515288 857197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the idea comes as, just use the brute force of the computer which is available :P
< 1325515294 127798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, I seem to remember there is a way to represent any 1-bit bitmap as an equation.
< 1325515324 271731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formula
< 1325515325 104906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325515327 102861 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 or 0
< 1325515327 604138 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325515337 533769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, no I mean as in each pixel is either black or white
< 1325515338 201206 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mean 1 as in the bit depth i'm sure
< 1325515339 534707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not grey
< 1325515354 556852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the link
< 1325515355 56617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd believe it, but is that representation significantly shorter or simpler?
< 1325515367 673893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, see the link and decide for yourself
< 1325515382 44385 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, awesome
< 1325515383 293161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it clunky however
< 1325515384 359456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mathematical quine
< 1325515402 543442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, thing is, you can select some numbers in there to draw any image
< 1325515413 904008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cheating, it's taking an encoding of itself as input
< 1325515490 211797 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1325515500 610014 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look to be very efficient as far as compression goes
< 1325515510 874150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is correct
< 1325515522 688542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, I was simply replying to "<myndzi> well, bitmaps don't frequently come in the form of elegant mathematical expressions ;)"
< 1325515535 335666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea is pretty elegant :P
< 1325515549 790101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :headache being induced
< 1325515550 288611 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-014-213.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325515550 622144 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the fact that it requires a multiple-line constant :P
< 1325515552 457896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, anyway: procedural textures
< 1325515566 687725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, bah, details
< 1325515604 138728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, procedural textures tend to be more or less simple mathematical formulas
< 1325515628 981197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite often there is some perlin noise in there though, which might not be so simple
< 1325515649 173435 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but itidus was commenting on prevalence
< 1325515659 453278 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such techniques might be prevalent in the demoscene but not really outside of it
< 1325515685 324462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, eh, I used procedural textures quite a bit. Minecraft water is by default a procedural texture afaik
< 1325515714 598822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how common it is in other contexts
< 1325516506 677907 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325516552 89666 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325516781 37094 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325516798 227644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .kkrieger-making tool, .werkkzeug, has this artist-friendly(ish) GUI for playing around with expressions and parameters.
< 1325516817 98778 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1325516842 148936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some bizarre reason, I keep thinking that "Euler" begins with J
< 1325516844 481336 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1325516848 924627 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head "Euler"
< 1325516849 757325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'E'
< 1325516854 932513 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't!
< 1325516874 706828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And POV-Ray "frontends" (and Blender, and probably other modelers) tend to include procedural-texture-generation UIs where you can spwengle with layers.
< 1325516882 158156 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you grossly mispronounce it, Ngevd? :|
< 1325516897 631266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr, not so it sounds like it begins with a J
< 1325516906 42293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeuler, the jocular Euler.
< 1325516927 429744 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only when I think "what's the initials of Project Euler" do I make this error
< 1325516928 634878 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rough English approximation of how it's pronounced is "oilah"
< 1325516948 23261 :MDud!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325516948 227050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You grossly mispronounce it with a silent J, perhaps.
< 1325516948 901664 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :In modern standard German that is
< 1325516952 979673 :MDud!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1325516961 59561 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different in Swiss German
< 1325517008 895317 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325517031 942033 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDud
< 1325517035 692446 :MDud!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1325517056 21571 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDuck
< 1325517060 852968 :MDuck!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1325517065 353924 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325517073 83744 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1325517078 247552 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1325517085 97687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dud duck. Is that like a duck which doesn't quack? 
< 1325517121 328628 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC keeps switching nick/alternate nick and then keeping it the wrong way around.
< 1325517151 599641 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC? On MY freenode?
< 1325517169 269686 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens is:
< 1325517175 48282 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are USING your alt nick
< 1325517182 337361 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you change to a nick that's not your main nick
< 1325517187 418447 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it modifies the setting
< 1325517193 919315 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use /tnick to avoid this
< 1325517198 689963 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mIRC a blasphemy here? 
< 1325517206 379231 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes a problem when you get guested or something
< 1325517208 546054 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that
< 1325517210 955275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc changes your main nick to Guest
< 1325517224 171195 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you go to change to your main nick, you instead change the wrong one
< 1325517230 795806 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s omething like that anyway. you should get the picture :)
< 1325517246 136723 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can alias tnick and maybe reset nick and anick when you get disconnected
< 1325517495 557860 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit metal! >:3 http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Heosphoros/Embered_Recollections/Eleven_Acausal_Fire
< 1325517514 789263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found something awesome yesterday
< 1325517538 746768 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sotb.se/
< 1325517603 590676 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't sound bad :3
< 1325517610 171851 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1325517632 7729 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vocals are a little .. well, not bluegrass but it doesn't really matter
< 1325517659 88870 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of them i also found iron horse, and they seem to have a bunch of cover albums of bands like metallica or black sabbath etc.
< 1325517663 4317 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even linkin park lol
< 1325517675 146251 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone listen to Machinae Supremacy? 
< 1325517717 114766 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i've heard of them, but i can't place it
< 1325517733 560433 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :SID Metal as they call it
< 1325517744 437220 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chiptunes + Metal
< 1325517789 755983 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the bluegrass band 'cause i was looking for piano covers
< 1325517794 563318 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded a bunch of dragonball z game music recently
< 1325517795 897986 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some good piano renditions of various songs on youtube
< 1325517843 83699 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used their music in a short film I did, named "School as a computer game" :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAIPezSwVg
< 1325517848 756268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1325517865 220194 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, this is an interesting combination
< 1325517872 470047 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is?
< 1325517900 797485 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1325517961 885422 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :machinae supremacy
< 1325518030 133825 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they're great! :3 They're even fine with me using their music in that video (they're actually even glad for fan works x3 ) 
< 1325518074 647256 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKQ048-O4vs#t=1m2s <- i want to find a whole album with songs like the intro riff here
< 1325518144 767830 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1325518146 768916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA oh wow
< 1325518147 436717 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cLJcm_RoU
< 1325518150 696190 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally didn't know that
< 1325518292 724704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machinae Supremacy has played once or twice (or thrice; can't quite remember) at Assembly.
< 1325518325 604852 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though recently, they seem to get more metal-like and less chiptune-y :-(
< 1325518349 228964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Press Play On Tape did it last year; they're also quite 8-bitty, though not at all metal.
< 1325518366 234633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess officially they spell it PRESS PLAY ON TAPE.
< 1325518396 168326 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The songs I used in the short film are actually the ones that are available for free on their website
< 1325518612 5386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see they've released (via Pirate Bay, no less) their Assembly 2011 concert video.
< 1325518787 1336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: that is really a very cool video
< 1325518796 844582 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks O.O
< 1325520597 445042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting youtube channel
< 1325520645 726155 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of funny, that, your understanding of 8bit must be so mysterious
< 1325520664 488697 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by mysterious? Oo
< 1325520700 435364 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was born in 82, and my first computer was a NES.. im not sure which year that was exactly
< 1325520736 998861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. 89 :-?
< 1325520758 605990 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Are you asking if I'm 89? 
< 1325520762 25326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you're not all that young
< 1325520766 27885 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 91
< 1325520769 870040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i got my NES in 89
< 1325520775 582422 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh x3
< 1325520792 55075 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm October 1991
< 1325520803 689461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how i figured that out actually
< 1325520825 101078 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what you mean by the mysterious though
< 1325520839 313231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, wait, you're *29*‽
< 1325520845 317739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup...................
< 1325520856 728002 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're younger than you look
< 1325520862 55323 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older, rather
< 1325520866 857773 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that we had Sega Master System when I was 3 or 4 and later Sega Genesis 
< 1325520880 644950 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first console was a Playstation 2...
< 1325520883 526266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel young
< 1325520888 460186 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no computer though really as in, PC and such 
< 1325520905 95221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh maybe ngevd feels the mystery about 8bit then
< 1325520922 49286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We never had consoles, I just rented a Genesis (well, Mega Drive hereabouts) from the video store every now and then. :/
< 1325520941 837448 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think it was named Mega Drive here as well
< 1325520945 96069 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of mystery? 
< 1325520959 52338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then.. the option was.. 1) watch standard def tv 2) watch a vhs tape 3) play 8bit console
< 1325520975 792989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you were lucky you had some old computer
< 1325521018 800369 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1325521024 603499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slot cars and remote control cars were a lot more exciting back then
< 1325521050 736769 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I know that even computer felt more exciting and mysterious for me when I was little. 
< 1325521056 774646 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's what you mean? The feeling of mystery?
< 1325521074 745285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way to know what he means: that's the mystery.
< 1325521074 909831 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like how the Romans built the Pantheon
< 1325521081 577324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. for someone who wasnt raised on 8bit games then they have to wonder what exactly is it like to play 8 bit games
< 1325521104 165273 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I play Super Mario Bros on a NES emulator from time to time...
< 1325521109 117098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :---- in a time when they are being sold for a lot of money :P
< 1325521115 486961 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play old games in emulators nowadays too :3
< 1325521125 243666 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though dad has NES as well for a while
< 1325521143 377333 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly it was Sega Master system. Which is 8 bit actually 
< 1325521152 838842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like... there was no 3d, there was no polygons, there was no street fighter
< 1325521163 423349 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend who's got a Betamax player
< 1325521174 662593 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I played some 8-bit games in my childhood, but not really that much, because later dad sold the console 
< 1325521200 525197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno exactly
< 1325521229 224273 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember... I couldn't even read much, so the help of M602 (something like Midnight Commander) that was on the computer seemed like a huge mysterious book that would take me ages to read |3 Now I can read it like in 5-10 minutes
< 1325521272 982166 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I didn't get computer until I was 12 
< 1325521302 955738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: anyway, your youtube is quite interesting... you're very creative
< 1325521307 764799 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then, we had nothing, because parents divorced 
< 1325521316 791848 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks O.O
< 1325521410 146744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Prolog system on our 286; now *that* was the weirdest. It even had some example programs that implemented an "ask about geography" thing.
< 1325521413 445913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that housepets animation, did you work out the animation skeleton or was it done automatically?
< 1325521424 348847 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? 
< 1325521436 266837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you move him around like a puppet
< 1325521470 855022 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no it was done manually, I positioned the parts with code
< 1325521498 655051 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just silly experiment, it's not even much good |3
< 1325521503 982659 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... did you make the whole system?
< 1325521548 768918 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I quickly scripted it, I basically wrote a code that positions the images on the screen based on input angles and X, Y positions and then created a simple keyframe system, that calculates the frames between two keyframes
< 1325521567 61250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you didn't cheat with flash or anything right? :-D
< 1325521575 205492 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not made with flash
< 1325521579 830741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i understand
< 1325521583 785465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did indeed do all the work
< 1325521599 344991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had to be sure
< 1325521603 590568 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's very simple anyway, it's just an array of angles and positions and all it does it just pick one current one, find the next one and interpolate between them
< 1325521628 256100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1325521632 723697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to work on a similar idea myself recently... 
< 1325521643 766134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt get very far exactly
< 1325521659 391424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of got an interpolated arm moving
< 1325521661 737575 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if the keyframe[0] is for frame 0 and position 40 and keyframe[1] is for frame 2 and position 20, then it basically first calculates ratio of both 
< 1325521668 201849 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1325521684 330005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one limit i had was this arm thing i made could only bend at one joint
< 1325521700 692561 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keyframe[n+1].frame-keyframe[n].frame)
< 1325521708 612631 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the size difference
< 1325521715 656285 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr I mean.
< 1325521730 767651 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the span of frames and the ratio is calculated like
< 1325521742 96750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was about the time i gave up when i started to think about ways that it could work out the necessary joint bends to reach the target
< 1325521767 224518 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :r = (current_frame-keyframe[n].frame) / (keyframe[n+1].frame-keyframe[n].frame)
< 1325521774 366231 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can calculate the position as
< 1325521806 606086 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual_x = (keyframe[n].x * (1.0-r) + keyframe[n].x * (r))
< 1325521808 605608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use the same system to animate tiggy?
< 1325521813 648374 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1325521823 545944 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not keyframed
< 1325521849 690936 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus you can first apply some function on the r
< 1325521869 937597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah don't worry im not all that smart.. i won't remember any of this later
< 1325521878 635402 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SinFunc(r), which outputs also 0.0 to 1.0, but assumes that input r is linear and output is sine
< 1325521894 385990 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the animation is nice and smooth - has smooth start and smooth end
< 1325521963 862093 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinFunc(r) can be defined like { return Sin(r*(pi/2)); }
< 1325521969 76415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325521973 653277 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello elliott!
< 1325521982 361098 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooo elliott! 
< 1325521984 239926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just "helliott" in short.
< 1325522005 693098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1325522005 862498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1325522024 896585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joor so popular.
< 1325522045 906229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three of those messages were me
< 1325522048 875817 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiggy has instead several animation states defined, like when he's walking, running, jumping and such. Each one of these has some input variables that are used to calculate the positions of the body parts - they are positioned by code as well
< 1325522055 944993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, self-popular, then.
< 1325522086 526978 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's walking speed and or surrounding's - distance to the floor or ceiling, or vertical speed and such.
< 1325522098 342682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who Frooxius is
< 1325522115 730211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: i am sort of the dumb guy here.. i am clueless about esoteric programming.. 
< 1325522124 343069 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he's vaguely new
< 1325522132 825873 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just joined today ^^'
< 1325522172 173217 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it does smooth transitions between these animations, using a similar way as between two keyframes (calculate the ratio first and then do a sum of the first state *(1.0-r) and second state *r
< 1325522187 914218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Frooxius is new, ontopic, and seems to understand what the channel's like
< 1325522197 243382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the mess when we welcomed em
< 1325522251 622533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sad, then, that the Elliott Experience(tm) will likely scar em for life.
< 1325522267 366639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he is into gamedev.. yay
< 1325522268 614463 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus smooth transitions can happen during various times. For example, when he's walking, then he's walking at specific speed and then there's a small range of the velocity, where the walking animation is transitioned to the running one, based on the speed actually (the speed in the small range is used as the ratio for the smooth transition)
< 1325522297 782960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much better at it than i am
< 1325522333 795241 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters
< 1325522352 32234 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only Homo sapiens were intelligently designed, then I could curse the designer of the sinus.
< 1325522358 171897 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, he walks at 10.0 speed and I can have code that calculates the ratio like r = limit( ( speed-10.0)/4.0, 0.0, 1.0)
< 1325522371 220000 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the transition range is 10.0 to 14.0
< 1325522384 929488 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit is limit(val, min, max) limits the value to certain range
< 1325522419 385320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this game an esoteric game?
< 1325522432 521970 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, not really ^^'
< 1325522441 62037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shall have to fix that, then.
< 1325522446 287397 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I have some weird ones in plans
< 1325522452 986174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick a weird topology, apply to game space immediately.
< 1325522465 908499 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well experimental games at least 
< 1325522466 621421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend the real projective plane.
< 1325522478 210752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's actually quite a good one for games, I think
< 1325522530 354815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the two-step plan to making an esoteric game: 1. Check if your game is one of my game plans.  2. If it's not, make it that and implement it. (You may need to learn a few languages.)
< 1325522537 163612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the ONLY. WAY.
< 1325522550 651976 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuuuuu
< 1325522551 365962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha, as if you'd ever use any language other than Haskell.
< 1325522556 953697 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts running in triangles
< 1325522564 513871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's at least one language!
< 1325522570 334129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325522570 500355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the Cabal file...
< 1325522571 213617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or condone the use of anything that wasn't either Haskell or Haskell, but moreso.
< 1325522579 419612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is the chosen one.. in 2012
< 1325522581 781909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's two languages.
< 1325522585 815914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: oh god what.
< 1325522602 939695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mysterious mix of intelligence and creativity
< 1325522631 759754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1325522645 173885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Congratulations, you're The Prophet(tm).
< 1325522648 186888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, implement elliottcraft (ais523 version) for me
< 1325522649 21976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us about how the world will end.
< 1325522651 912149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i'ts named after you!
< 1325522653 832899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is likely he will understand esolangs
< 1325522657 484187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's
< 1325522658 371249 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATDIDIDO? Oo
< 1325522664 906373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea.
< 1325522800 143678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the force is strong with him i tell you
< 1325522811 335497 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe it will end with Kernel Panic. Or a BSOD.
< 1325522830 295172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> a mysterious mix of intelligence and creativity
< 1325522834 593330 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever-Apple-Mac-OS-X-does-when-it-goes-bonkers
< 1325522837 107426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this intelligence relative to itidus21?
< 1325522845 810445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1325522886 4643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stand by my comment :-D
< 1325522955 803755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST SEEN: someone self-censoring 'screwed'.
< 1325522988 274342 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :s*****d?
< 1325522999 49365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse.
< 1325523005 346752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Scr*wed'.
< 1325523038 749148 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally Nitrloglibimostri*vilious
< 1325523065 727256 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay b*wdl*r*z*t**n
< 1325523071 376069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: OS X just kernel panics too.
< 1325523075 515252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B****fuck
< 1325523138 479937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't an OS X kernel panic an image of a power button, plus instructions to reboot your computer in five different languages?
< 1325523151 611088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a Mac's going to screen-of-death, at least it's going to be a /stylish/ screen of death
< 1325523164 102643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Linux just locks up and flashes the num lock and caps lock keyboard LEDs
< 1325523181 573350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't think I need to explain what Windows does, it's so well known)
< 1325523224 146659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :********k.
< 1325523236 302225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask what DOS does on kernel panic
< 1325523241 948543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely convinced it even has a kernel
< 1325523252 353587 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> B****fuck <-- just realised the joke...
< 1325523264 174534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it's an old joke
< 1325523271 593231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow, that was almost as slow as Vorpal
< 1325523280 243417 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Like display an advanced and detailed 3D realtime render of rotating apple with a little diamond worm with a speech bubble saying "According to 9 out of 10 fashion experts, it's very positive for your image if your OS crashes once in a while. Thus, with sole intentions of helping your image, we just crashed your OS. Your Apple"
< 1325523304 692661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The C64 ROM hasn't got a kernel, but it *has* got a KERNAL.
< 1325523305 26443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, most OSes don't react sanely to a GPU crash
< 1325523326 838482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the BBC Micro just had a bunch of subroutines at the top of memory that did stuff like writing to the screen
< 1325523336 80567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with standard names like oswrch
< 1325523340 551573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and osrdch
< 1325523358 35927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which made asm programs hard to read, as I mentally pronounced both words as "ostrich")
< 1325523453 594446 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit why is google's search bar under like 10 nested divs and tables.
< 1325523498 336270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's not much more than what the KERNAL has, except I think it's got the standard IRQ, NMI and RESET handlers too.
< 1325523515 955395 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1325523517 861158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even also at the top of the memory.
< 1325523555 744403 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my BytePusher version of Hunt the Wumpus is tricky...
< 1325523741 706071 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tables? 
< 1325523755 583932 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tables?
< 1325523769 295693 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :TABLES? Oo
< 1325523980 660172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also FreeDOS has a component called KERNEL; it contains the KERNEL.SYS file which implements the DOS system calls. I suppose that corresponds to MSDOS.SYS, and possibly also IO.SYS, in MS-DOS.
< 1325523997 320363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, seems about right
< 1325524027 849590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and osrdch
< 1325524037 511908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make the processor stick its head in the sand
< 1325524602 597460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got a "GURU MEDITATION" error out of some website the other day.
< 1325524684 458998 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :My notebook came with a copy of FreeDOS
< 1325524688 981502 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it into the trash
< 1325524736 131081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: it's a legal requirement that Microsoft invented, that computers have to be sold with an OS
< 1325524741 102516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, they managed to force it through)
< 1325524754 634950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeDOS is typically used as a very cheap method of complying with that requirement
< 1325524756 857313 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric ::L
< 1325524761 981010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by computer companies who'd otherwise be selling bare boxes
< 1325524786 657725 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest way to convert a 256x256 bitmap to a Bytepusher codepage?
< 1325524791 139684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: you did put the copy of FreeDOS in the trash, not the notebook, right?
< 1325524791 974286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xscreensaver's BSOD "hack" contains error messages from: Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows NT, MS-DOS, AmigaDOS 1.3, Linux, SCO UNIX, BSD UNIX, HPUX, Solaris, Tru64, VMS, HVX/GCOS6, IBM OS/390, OS/2, MacOS (MacsBug, Bomb, Sad Mac, and OSX), Atari ST, Apple ][+, and NCD X Terminals.
< 1325524939 155752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: If you just need the bytes, and it's a one-off thing, Gimp has a "raw image data" file-writing mode which I guess should suffice.
< 1325525074 412454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm not terribly sure if it includes the palette if you write an indexed-color image.
< 1325525141 908568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least a grayscale image is written as a sequence of bytes in the "obvious" manner.
< 1325525221 345319 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I decline to comment
< 1325525241 602746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you aren't elliott!
< 1325525263 882858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you?
< 1325525291 590748 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sorry. 
< 1325525298 488254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1325525299 640087 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Finland?
< 1325525315 708287 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I live there? 
< 1325525322 100393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a *very* good question.
< 1325525325 459802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anyone? 
< 1325525328 355240 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a Czech hostname, both of those are rather unlikely.
< 1325525363 660674 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's two people in this channel in Hexham and god knows how many in Finland
< 1325525373 838980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: but does anyone else know how many?
< 1325525383 634877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm sure a place as cosmopolitan as Hexham has a fairly-sized "Czechtown".
< 1325525386 97356 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good question
< 1325525453 817805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's at least five by my last count.
< 1325525464 146680 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325525476 101169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I the only esolanger in Birmingham?
< 1325525488 577006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see... a tehwa, D eewiant, f izzie, i neiros, m tve, and Z warddijk at the very least.
< 1325525497 332461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least six. And that's before we get to the bots.
< 1325525504 381861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, there's only one Finnish bot.)
< 1325525511 962310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that's just people here now, so it's at least seven.
< 1325525520 750612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think "m tve" did? But you didn't count "o klopol".
< 1325525560 978805 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham, second largest city in the UK, has one esolanger, Hexham, a town with about 1% the population, has two
< 1325525599 683091 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two in Sweden?
< 1325525633 306802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did what? I assumed he's a Finn because you know him. :p
< 1325525636 880392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Aren't all of "V orpal", "o lsner" and "F ireFly" from Sweden? Though I might misremember.
< 1325525650 213280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and a few more too.
< 1325525651 641932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe.
< 1325525654 553421 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Canadian esolangers?
< 1325525661 820857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro is Canadian
< 1325525663 470336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I know em, and I had a vague feeling e was from Germany. But I'm certainly not certain.
< 1325525667 517281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Zwaarddijk a Swedish-speaking Finn or vice versa?
< 1325525668 794795 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a loril seems to be in Finland
< 1325525674 331433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's the first one.
< 1325525678 154569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you meant some other.
< 1325525681 965518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you were just counting separately.
< 1325525691 421545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, fair enough. Maybe I'm thinking of some other Finn you know. :p
< 1325525707 20361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I conclude my official tally with the result: "Too many".
< 1325525709 125452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I like cpressy wrote a script in Perl that literally generates line noise.
< 1325525713 767189 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how
< 1325525787 803275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: don't you mean random values?
< 1325525788 914355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: *at least two.
< 1325525794 609187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, cpressey used to live in Canadia.
< 1325525799 254856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it to be /literal/ line noise it'd need to be trying to get data from a noisy connection
< 1325525814 554190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading noise instead
< 1325525825 958435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen genuine line noise before now
< 1325525826 435131 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://catseye.tc/projects/noise/script/noise  randomly generated in a certain way, yes.
< 1325525843 663698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we linked up a couple of serial ports by physically sticking copper wires into the relevant sockets
< 1325525848 837943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it got knocked
< 1325525860 515132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise is a tiny utility whose purpose is to simulate line noise — those random bursts of static that occur when communicating with a non-error-correcting modem over an unreliable phone line. Start it up in the background and keep working at your shell prompt — or, keep trying to!
< 1325525873 454665 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to get some of my friends into esoteric programming
< 1325525883 72508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: do you have friends that program?
< 1325525883 391471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It could be a physical-simulation sort of line noise. They simulate acoustic instruments and so on, why not line noise.
< 1325525898 404125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325525913 372202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually wrote one of those, come to think of it
< 1325525915 160864 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, two, one's more of an acquaitance, due to him being a bit of a dick, and the other doesn't live in Hexham
< 1325525930 773456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing a Morse code decoder I'd written that was designed to work on noisy input
< 1325525938 660722 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, that's about as many people I know as well. I guess a few more if you count people I've met.
< 1325525941 721396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't count those.
< 1325525967 612746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: noise cancellation is fun.
< 1325525969 910182 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to leave for a while
< 1325525972 618150 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325526244 539568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl State s a
< 1325526245 17229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> (a, s)
< 1325526862 223997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds himself using Facebook less and less.
< 1325527025 236781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still use fb?
< 1325527057 12931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325527062 790315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people I talk to use it
< 1325527063 107319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1325527085 935582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably will once the new terrible profile change takes place.
< 1325527099 605004 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I was fine with every other change
< 1325527101 204274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :until this one.
< 1325527110 766716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you have reason to think one's coming other than the fact that they happen often?
< 1325527117 340165 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: why?
< 1325527144 474836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> stop
< 1325527145 586321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you zzo
< 1325527162 476793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you seriously have to ask whether any given person is zzo or not?
< 1325527177 38862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you elliott?
< 1325527185 257756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were, do you think I'd admit it?
< 1325527188 906875 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: are you monqy?
< 1325527193 240681 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes
< 1325527195 665673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: are you glogbot
< 1325527203 900794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clogbot
< 1325527291 390272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how was your weak squishy human sleep?
< 1325527300 755505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been awake since last we spakened
< 1325527314 258618 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaconed, like bacon.
< 1325527349 357632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :selenium.common.exceptions.StaleElementReferenceException: Message: u'Element not found in the cache' 
< 1325527352 419647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1325528132 738853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selenium sucks, anyway.
< 1325528160 188186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well yes.
< 1325528178 685493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tellurium is better in every way.
< 1325528207 605179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using chr, ord, and -32 is not the right way of doing this. Use toUpper." "@augustss: It's good enough for ASCII."
< 1325528215 895460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO FUCK YOU NOTHING IS "GOOD ENOUGH FOR ASCII" JESUS CHRIST
< 1325528286 120494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even toUpper isn't correct without some knowledge of the language
< 1325528309 460016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is someone trying to find excuses /not/ to use toUpper?
< 1325528320 674587 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead use... that?
< 1325528321 888571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1325528339 405232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going to basically fuck up anything that wasn't lowercase.
< 1325528340 619332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the input known to be made out of lowercase letters?
< 1325528346 825869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Haskell?
< 1325528356 775428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, based on function names.
< 1325528390 135148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chr and ord are commonly used function names for those operations
< 1325528390 487738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to just link rather than tediously explaining everything: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8700564/haskell-converting-small-chars-to-capital
< 1325528395 807964 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325528400 240576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy keeps opening trivial homework questions without even trying
< 1325528412 240388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep answering them by giving a complete solution >_<
< 1325528425 415065 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :chr . subtract 32 . ord  is not only incorrect but requires more effort than toUpper.
< 1325528454 906062 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, are there any rules against answer homework questions?
< 1325528459 820502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but he hadn't imported Data.Char so he was getting "not in scope"
< 1325528463 886396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier to use a broken solution
< 1325528475 531225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you are meant to try and give help for homework questions, not the solution outright
< 1325528484 148104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are tagged "homework", so there is no excuse)
< 1325528563 137557 :nooga!~nooga@egv122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325528598 530166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm how /does/ toUpper work with Unicode characters.
< 1325528625 31432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /should/ be locale-dependent
< 1325528631 11308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like, a big table?
< 1325528635 310307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for what definition of should
< 1325528643 942623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe the unicode standard talks about locales
< 1325528697 668604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it depends on the language
< 1325528701 348631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turkish is the normal example
< 1325528713 382535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it more likely talks about locales than languages
< 1325528781 115528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am dead sure that (a) the Unicode standard defines various case transformations and (b) they do not depend on any sort of external state.
< 1325528806 653778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott dead.
< 1325528811 944738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the external state would be used to determine which transformation was used, then, presumably
< 1325528812 114399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1325528862 591308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do I say "you're wrong" in a way that doesn't make your response "<what I just said>"
< 1325528889 979743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a link would be helpful
< 1325528909 813613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to correctly determine what the capital version of "i" is without knowing the language, anyway, is the point
< 1325528921 879899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.0.0/
< 1325528935 140168 :nooga!~nooga@egv122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325528950 434391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.0.0/ch04.pdf
< 1325528954 612939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm if that's the case then toUpper is not referentially transparent.
< 1325528979 747370 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325528983 673061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1325529018 73628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've just stopped paying attention to YouTube's featured videos altogether, even if they're relevant.
< 1325529066 681956 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325529422 602472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“If you are a programmer working in 2006 and you don’t know the basics of characters, character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I’m going to punish you by making you peel onions for six months in a submarine.”
< 1325529422 795535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :—joel spolsky
< 1325529422 795765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joel on Software
< 1325529423 668608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually
< 1325529425 680067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the unicode website
< 1325529437 236844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/announcements/quotations.html#spolsky
< 1325529529 743746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: page 7: " Also contains context-dependent mappings, with flags to distin- guish them from the normal mappings, as well as some locale-dependent mappings."
< 1325529536 863373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it'd be there if I looked hard enough
< 1325529566 222462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm not taking it out of context either, although feel free to check yourself)
< 1325529596 53972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: <kallisti> hmmmm how /does/ toUpper work with Unicode characters.  <ais523> it /should/ be locale-dependent
< 1325529599 945963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, your quote is irrelevant to that
< 1325529629 543495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my quote is from the database that contains the default uppercasing algorithms for unicode
< 1325529663 332560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says that there's a legacy best mappings database that isn't locale-dependent
< 1325529676 11858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should only be used by legacy implementations
< 1325529697 888996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's at least partly to do with mapping one lowercase character to multiple uppercase characters
< 1325529702 773660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah, i cba to actually read the spec, but i'm still going to maintain my belief that i'm pretty sure you're wrong :)
< 1325529730 971744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow properties sure are bad in Python.
< 1325529814 733854 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm no it's a little bit better than it used to be.
< 1325529903 685906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the actual case of lowercase i, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf says "Turkish and Azerbaijani use 0130 İ for uppercase"
< 1325529951 778513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds like just a comment, not a definition
< 1325529959 876494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, indeed
< 1325529965 667194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the case mapping charts at the moment
< 1325530101 685098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, I think it's possible that we're both right
< 1325530113 480941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that there are pure legacy versions that map characters to characters
< 1325530122 108065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more contexty versions that map strings to strings, and require locale info
< 1325530130 257983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only case mapping charts I could find were for the legacy version
< 1325530138 707866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl Writer w a
< 1325530139 221981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, w)
< 1325530146 420776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mtl"?
< 1325530147 118912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh
< 1325530151 426310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad transformer library
< 1325530155 390874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1325530169 539869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl WriterT (ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO))) a
< 1325530169 716223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `WriterT (ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO))) a' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. a (A, ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO)))'
< 1325530172 493558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh :D
< 1325530177 609145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl WriterT (ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO))) [Int] a
< 1325530177 963860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Int] (a, ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO)))
< 1325530181 208782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325530181 724536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325530186 438628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl WriterT [Int] (ContT r (StateT s (ErrorT e IO))) a
< 1325530186 960997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> [Int] -> s -> IO (Either e (r, s))) -> s -> IO (Either e (r, s))
< 1325530190 922210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like so ^
< 1325530196 452102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mtl (a -> [Int] -> s -> IO (Either e (r, s))) -> s -> IO (Either e (r, s))
< 1325530196 627859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ft map msg pl unmtl url
< 1325530201 407739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't exist though :P
< 1325530230 522015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so it's working out the type that actually represents the type of a monad action obtained by stringing together a bunch of monad transformers
< 1325530247 903875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just expanding the definitions recursively
< 1325530252 729001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, indeed
< 1325530266 782147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they're actually data types, not type synonyms, so the two types are not actually equivalent :) but it's what they /mean/
< 1325530311 223349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're isomorphic if you ignore the fact that a data declaration adds an extra bottom. :>
< 1325530320 385295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many of those are newtypes, right?
< 1325530321 90797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they're newtypes.
< 1325530323 768586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325530403 852916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/SpecialCasing.txt "-- contains additional information about the casing of Unicode characters. (For compatibility, the UnicodeData.txt file only contains case mappings for
< 1325530417 887978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters where they are 1-1, and independent of context and language."
< 1325530427 861616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0130; 0069 0307; 0130; 0130; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE
< 1325530436 766565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for finding it for me
< 1325530502 564246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm tempted to make semicolons an infix operator for statement blocks...
< 1325530509 188158 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk me out of it.
< 1325530526 874901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: don't work for spammers
< 1325530529 258327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, talk you out of /that/
< 1325530566 532329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the language-specific (and context-specific; sometimes the mapping depends on surrounding characters, like for sigma and... I guess that's about it) ones.
< 1325530574 94091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, I think I ruined my Monoid instance
< 1325530584 407808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it might not be a problem though
< 1325530596 4037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ICA uses infix semicolon as sequencing, it works fine
< 1325530616 592973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is precedence
< 1325530620 830323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :low
< 1325530626 637897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no precedence that doesn't look weird in some combination or other
< 1325530626 814533 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the precedence is low. problem solved.
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< 1325530635 341778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: lower than if? while? lambda?
< 1325530652 99024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325530658 459620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are functions with () notation
< 1325530658 811718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair formation?
< 1325530667 746127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have that.
< 1325530679 333260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a,b;c,d is a bit of a weird case
< 1325530688 228236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly a,(b;c),d is the only way it'd type
< 1325530722 731693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to worry about that because I don't treat , as an operator.
< 1325530741 607469 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so technically if , is an infix operator it's lower precedence than any operator.
< 1325530756 327969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's defined as part of the function syntax.
< 1325530807 963148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm yes I like that. I'll do that.
< 1325530908 541934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually top-level statements require no line terminator, but I suspect if I don't add one it will make the errors look like crap.
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< 1325531394 205639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> I think using Haskell's list monad will make the logic programming stuff much easier. <-- note that iirc there exists a monad-logic package which is more flexible than lists
< 1325531395 98221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan welcome to ~AMERICA~
< 1325531411 966434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks suspiciously at elliott 
< 1325531428 770195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that scripted?
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< 1325531581 941662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I assume it also handles non-determinism?
< 1325531603 51266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i recall is it has this function:
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< 1325531608 903198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>-)
< 1325531609 990771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (MonadLogic m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1325531648 342117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like >>- except reorders things to ensure all combinations are tried
< 1325531682 777681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:01: <kallisti> oerjan: I assume it also handles non-determinism?
< 1325531687 597405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a logic monad without nondeterminsm
< 1325531688 307248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka
< 1325531688 841586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1325531691 496085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] >>- \x -> (,) x <$> [1..]
< 1325531692 447969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,1),(2,1),(1,2),(3,1),(1,3),(2,2),(1,4),(4,1),(1,5),(2,3),(1,6),(3,2),(1...
< 1325531725 174572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is like >>=
< 1325531749 197429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i think there are more efficient instances than []
< 1325531752 460842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325531815 551475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a LogicT monad transformer
< 1325531824 177876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, are monad instances uniquely determined? i suspect not, but can't think of a counterexample :)
< 1325531824 755809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t LogicT
< 1325531825 815144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (forall r. (a -> m r -> m r) -> m r -> m r) -> LogicT m a
< 1325531827 631507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Functor is
< 1325531856 774035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh i wondered about that too, whether an Applicative can extend to two different Monads
< 1325531898 315477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be weird to have Functor and Monad uniquely determined but not Applicative
< 1325531900 699560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative obviously isn't
< 1325531908 83564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well
< 1325531911 433430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ZipList is a monad they aren't
< 1325531919 548989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that
< 1325531920 833234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if ZipList isn't a monad, there might well be only one Monad for a given Appliactive
< 1325531922 255354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative
< 1325531932 375152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1325531934 932014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZipList is a Monad ignoring bottom >:)
< 1325531938 503287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a different question :P
< 1325531943 770500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what i was originally asking was
< 1325531948 240990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monad instances uniquely determined for a data type
< 1325531948 596142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1325531949 521042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not _entirely_ sure what it is with bottom
< 1325531951 97988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monad instances uniquely determined for an applicative instanc
< 1325531951 698252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1325531958 547430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some data types have multiple Applicatives so they're not equivalent
< 1325531965 897647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i do not believe you have proved that
< 1325531970 903208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so a simpler question
< 1325531980 457773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is simpler?
< 1325531981 518402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a type which has two Monad instances.
< 1325531986 11236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325531996 713459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there is an obvious one
< 1325532008 859499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :State can be reconsidered as Reader + Writer
< 1325532014 790196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325532017 467146 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :HURR_DURR
< 1325532019 636897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a Monoid constraint though
< 1325532025 122997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make the StateList monad, though
< 1325532031 773867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it be Reader + Writer as well as State
< 1325532039 584743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but that's a constraint on the parameter, not the monadic value
< 1325532039 762558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, cool
< 1325532045 143843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :data T a = List [a] | Maybe (Maybe a)  -- Nobel prize plz
< 1325532049 429614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the applicatives the same?
< 1325532079 393374 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that's not two different instances
< 1325532080 809561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one still.
< 1325532115 136641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no they're not the same, the applicative of State still threads the state
< 1325532129 607501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA2 get get
< 1325532131 463518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1325532136 705537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA2 (,) get get
< 1325532141 557387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1325532161 304413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftA3 (,,) get (modify (+1)) get
< 1325532203 53552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1325532244 880573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could always do something stupid like...
< 1325532265 823334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make >>= only apply the function to the first list element if there is one.
< 1325532266 716951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course backwards state monad has the same underlying type as the forward one, and the reversed applicative i think
< 1325532273 200045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a Maybe monad instance for [a]
< 1325532298 294054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t listToMaybe
< 1325532299 396725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Maybe a
< 1325532316 807954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325532374 344851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Functor is special i think, because it's so weaved into parametricity; the free theorem for g :: Functor f => a -> f a  is g . k = fmap k . g
< 1325532386 926266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325532578 311886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> data T a = List [a] | Maybe (Maybe a)  -- Nobel prize plz <-- i'm not convinced that's either an Applicative or a Monad
< 1325532615 752291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ laws to fulfil, after all.
< 1325532670 503664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that's basically what i was trying to get at with your CoContra stuff from yesterday - i expect something similar applies
< 1325532689 23807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to what?
< 1325532707 557302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to g . k = fmap k . g
< 1325532734 466447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1325532742 298825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suspect
< 1325532883 576050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NAG NAG NAG
< 1325532911 124361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zjoin.*scanl1.*diag
< 1325532918 952157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs has taken a liking to randomly freezing on saves for some reason.
< 1325532922 530634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325532935 573655 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-17.txt:05:00:42: <copumpkin> @let zjoin = ZipList . diag . scanl1 (zipWith (flip const)) . map (getZipList) . getZipList where diag = concat . takeWhile (not . null) . map (take 1) . foldr (\x xs -> x:map (drop 1) xs) []
< 1325533202 199001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> ah okay, now I see why they say Haskell's type system is like a mini-Prolog. <-- without backtracking though, afaik
< 1325533214 971689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no proper constraint solving
< 1325533437 257498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it does at least allow reordering constraints by taking the once it can solve immediately first
< 1325533441 803543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones
< 1325533498 880570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor !!!!!!!
< 1325533499 416134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325533583 535125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ban Gregor, he's obstructing my construction of ch2
< 1325533592 165171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obstructing my construction so induction has no suction
< 1325533920 716436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i think the word you're looking for is "woven" :P
< 1325534139 589159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite your request, it's quite for the best, not to be too sure it should be the cure to ban the man
< 1325534223 844823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1325534225 851485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1325534231 523737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur the one who complaininged abotu the log formats
< 1325534233 29143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ings
< 1325534328 290435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, this obligates me to institute a cruel and unusual regime
< 1325534341 181803 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325534348 53572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you've already done that part
< 1325534354 479397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1325534358 265694 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325534391 565129 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooooo! :3
< 1325534551 802328 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Syntax error: Unknown instruction" Yeah, but WHICH ONE?! Who implemented this? Oh wait, I did |3 I seriously annoy myself sometimes *giggles in a somewhat silly way* 
< 1325534594 51374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1325534631 958268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1325534637 559804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is |3 meant to mean
< 1325534653 803101 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting Ron Paul is a serious politician
< 1325534654 645181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is terrified of what he may find out, but asks out of curiosity.
< 1325534669 746247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Don't worry, he isn't.
< 1325534703 495171 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :|3 is an emoticon, like a >.< face or -_- but with cat-face
< 1325534706 104177 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325534725 994833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: I don't believe you.
< 1325534737 579910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly like a pipe on the 3rd file descriptor or something.
< 1325534749 69124 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it can have multiple meanings 
< 1325534752 572388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius.........................
< 1325534760 708610 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Oo
< 1325534771 590012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a robot cat
< 1325534783 874670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is the only way that could conceivably look like a cat
< 1325534792 936182 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that too probably 
< 1325534855 751585 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that guy in Star Trek TNG, with the weird sunglassesd
< 1325534887 58627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :geordi
< 1325534897 210821 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1325534910 628183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cat-geordi
< 1325534912 172414 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really watch Star Trek enough to have ever seen a full episode
< 1325534922 179714 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geordicat
< 1325535780 447962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odocat.
< 1325535785 714666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a very smug cat.)
< 1325535930 419257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> ah yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formula <-- that's not actually a quine, since the actual bitmap is given in k to be supplied separately
< 1325535989 785260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone made a better one somewhere that was more like an actual quine
< 1325536012 283741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Vorpal in absentia for being absent -----###
< 1325536019 124621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swat Gregor for being absent pls
< 1325536027 965256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that thing is STUPID
< 1325536039 160321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Gregor for being absent -----###
< 1325536170 85239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Ngevd> For some bizarre reason, I keep thinking that "Euler" begins with J <-- presumably then you are pronouncing it with an english eu, not a german one
< 1325536181 90014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a german one sounds more like oi in oil
< 1325536192 330378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know its oiler but ewler sounds so much better
< 1325536204 994300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't :P
< 1325536216 95118 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't make this mistake with, e.g., euthanasia
< 1325536499 656314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you missed a couple spams
< 1325536532 913236 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325536533 270869 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1325536533 447179 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325536598 860316 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325536606 305237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems Keymaker got them
< 1325536639 635862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325536642 716234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> i know its oiler but ewler sounds so much better
< 1325536645 756349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me wrong.
< 1325536663 300505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's not as bad as people who pronounce Gauss as 'goss'.
< 1325536669 778127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gorse
< 1325536802 409224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/De-carlfriedrichgauss.ogg
< 1325536807 433381 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should say his full name like this always
< 1325536828 56550 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325536874 50712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's
< 1325536875 42868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gouse
< 1325536878 584895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say gorse
< 1325536879 301907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally
< 1325536882 699316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gorse and ewler
< 1325536887 168834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a gauss in the house
< 1325536890 611174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1325536893 509528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't actually say ewler
< 1325536894 265386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say
< 1325536896 620922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youwler
< 1325536899 342971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf gorse why
< 1325536902 663371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you're british.
< 1325536904 311537 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1325536912 991138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :au is like
< 1325536913 347666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1325536914 584461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gorse
< 1325536918 602838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you say saw with an r don't you.
< 1325536920 292299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :asshole
< 1325536949 43497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you rationalize that to make any sense at all?
< 1325536961 814120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... what is the thought process behind adding random r's to words that don't have r's
< 1325536964 354985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just records him saying these things instead of trying to explain them
< 1325536965 789109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1325536966 502336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1325536974 506354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents
< 1325536990 174400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1325537094 826928 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't really explain why
< 1325537097 366080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw has an r in it
< 1325537099 156324 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there's no r
< 1325537100 626272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it.
< 1325537112 539830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I think that's the intrusive r
< 1325537137 953527 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have an r in it. People with a non-rhotic accent just think it sounds the same as its nearest equivalent with an r
< 1325537198 140029 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
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< 1325537233 971138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, microphone on this doesn't work.
< 1325537249 584799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Ngevd to do it.
< 1325537256 739177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science dictates that your accents are identical.
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< 1325537291 144167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: what is its nearest equivalent?
< 1325537295 434215 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sore
< 1325537300 369247 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1325537322 506190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw and sore sound the same; so, amusingly, do pawn and porn.
< 1325537338 92959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a non-rhotic accent pronounce that as... saw without an r? I don't think I understand why a non-rhotic accent would add an r there.
< 1325537371 17779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: People saying "pawn shop" will never not make me think "HOW DOES DECENT SOCIETY ALLOW OUR ACCENTS TO DO THIS TO US".
< 1325537390 255689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Protip: Thinking of it as "adding an r" in places won't help
< 1325537393 911573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know that pawn and porn sounded the same.
< 1325537408 741739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but... that's what is happening.
< 1325537417 316461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want me to unthink what is happening?
< 1325537433 506561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, just talk like Americans: problem solved.
< 1325537445 860572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry, Mary, Marry
< 1325537450 674694 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just switch accents depending on which of porn or pawn you're saying
< 1325537485 618366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, *sigh*.
< 1325537501 625919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rs extend and... round off vowels.
< 1325537508 775484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so basically "non-rhotic" means "add r's to things." non-intuitively. got it.
< 1325537516 810268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Nope.
< 1325537520 562290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really are an idiot.
< 1325537521 826758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents
< 1325537551 835556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that rs before consonants aren't pronounced, and instead apply the aforementioned transform to the preceding vowel.
< 1325537552 12067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I read that.
< 1325537572 355410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of this is that 'or' sounds like 'aw'.
< 1325537624 298021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really explain anything though. so "aw" becomes "awr"?
< 1325537626 444122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R
< 1325537650 753862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi.
< 1325537696 209971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you twat.
< 1325537701 120694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'aw' stays as 'aw'.
< 1325537714 441706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 'or' now sounds like 'aw', 'or' and 'aw' sound the same.
< 1325537719 829319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculously simple.
< 1325537722 41282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^
< 1325537722 577637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "awr"
< 1325537728 378265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an r
< 1325537731 693626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325537738 749994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ you really are an idiot.
< 1325537742 743830 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of non-rhotic is that there's no r's
< 1325537747 15255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both sound like 'aw'.
< 1325537749 428456 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rho is Greek for "r"
< 1325537750 456703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd, um no?
< 1325537756 46801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ^
< 1325537765 492399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'r' is still present if not followed by a consonant.
< 1325537794 405823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeating what non-rhotic means is not going to help explain anything.
< 1325537839 409101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I have explained precisely what the deal is with 'sore' and 'saw', and you have apparently not listened to a word I said.
< 1325537848 859066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you see the problem with explaining things to kallisti?
< 1325537891 370685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R explains it perfectly
< 1325537907 961184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1325537945 289463 :HURR_DURR!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1325537994 24236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically in some non-rhotic accents an /r/ is added between two consecutive vowel sounds and other weird places.
< 1325538015 715884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just... how it works. it can not be explained by the removal of /r/ sounds because that makes /no fucking sense/
< 1325538041 806500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right! kallisti has figured it out!
< 1325538062 470965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling up Jimbo Wales and telling him his Wikipedia is wrong; some guy on the internet knows it makes no fucking sense.
< 1325538076 546602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be explained by the removal of /r/ sounds in some positions, followed by analogous insertion of r in the opposite positions
< 1325538079 945445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wikipedia doesn't disagree with what I just said?
< 1325538085 501801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes.
< 1325538108 371172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, you know, what makes you an idiot isn't any particular stupidity; it's your complete inability to admit that you may not understand something.
< 1325538116 136168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325538116 314971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know less about rhotic accents now than I have ever known before
< 1325538136 480189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever you don't quite see how something fits together, you decide it's probably wrong, and then make it a point of pride to prove this.
< 1325538140 932131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <olsner> I think I know less about rhotic accents now than I have ever known before
< 1325538143 969413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1325538145 224236 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :792) <olsner> I think I know less about rhotic accents now than I have ever known before
< 1325538168 598128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never knew anything about rhotic accents, and now I still know nothing about them. *happy*
< 1325538194 361971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: think of it as /r/ gradually changing from a phoneme into a non-phonemic way of separating adjacent vowels
< 1325538216 619360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes, *you do*.
< 1325538236 122895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the change being/stopping at different stages in different dialects.
< 1325538244 525951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'd just have a little humility from time to time and accept that you don't know everything, you might actually know a lot more than you do.
< 1325538261 905399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know everything, obviously.
< 1325538292 813721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But instead you pretend that you do, or that you understand things just as well as the person explaining it, and they get frustrated and you get steadily more annoying as time moves on.
< 1325538365 635893 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: depends on the subject. for example, I'm fully aware of what a rhotic consonant is, and when it's being placed in weirds it normally doesn't go in.
< 1325538399 123691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, oh? Then why did you need to read that WP article?
< 1325538406 892923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you knew everything it contained beforehand?
< 1325538429 921073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey stop leaping to conclusions about other people's behavior!  oh wait...
< 1325538448 261899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything no. I clicked it to learn more details. But I had a general idea of what a non-rhotic accent was beforehand, but was still confused by the sudden insertion of rhotic consonants.
< 1325538490 115498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that "<kallisti> I bet you say saw with an r don't you.  <kallisti> asshole  <kallisti> how can you rationalize that to make any sense at all?  <kallisti> like... what is the thought process behind adding random r's to words that don't have r's" does not really sound like someone with an understanding of rhoticity, without actually getting involved in this trainwreck through cunning use of /me.
< 1325538576 695951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-cromulent should be a word
< 1325538588 941150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, and yet you approached it with an air of smug pedantry, not confusion.
< 1325538591 665307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite sure what it means though
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< 1325538630 147306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in conclusion leaping | This channel Copywrong 0 YOLD Rogger Sarcridh - All lights reversed (Except for things copyrighted by Gregor Richards) | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325538633 581669 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm generally not confused when I don't know everything. ???
< 1325538643 233014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the normal state of affairs.
< 1325538648 318392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure
< 1325538653 47311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sound smug. often.
< 1325538656 397820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has this feeling that was a bad idea
< 1325538658 800356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> not everything no. I clicked it to learn more details. But I had a general idea of what a non-rhotic accent was beforehand, but was still confused by the sudden insertion of rhotic consonants.
< 1325538674 231454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please, *please* try to check what you say for consistency?
< 1325538717 164126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in oerjan being as passive-aggressively judgemental as he possibly can | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325538720 778525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't be arsed.
< 1325538751 101772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good world championship for oerjan, as he is (by definition?) the only contestant
< 1325538793 131883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT
< 1325538798 334368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. Can you now concede the discussion?
< 1325538806 597275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if there weren't jokes to deflect criticism with
< 1325538813 694543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human race would be so fucked
< 1325538814 587328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in passive-aggressively communicating only through /topic
< 1325538831 889220 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I see what you're saying though. It makes sense. I can often be smug. Is that what I'm supposed to concede? then yes.
< 1325538840 749687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in recursive passive aggression | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325538860 286459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was expecting a different concession
< 1325538867 555743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, OK, I'm sorry; I forgot that your brain is context-free.
< 1325538880 707459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: depends on how much sleep I've had. :P
< 1325538887 331498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not fair to argue with someone with such a condition when I have a fully-functioning long-term memory.
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< 1325538969 166966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think perhaps I don't take a moment to consider that I don't have all the information before forming conclusions. Is this what you mean?
< 1325539057 529886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a suitably flattering way of putting "I am so arrogant that I assume that things are stupid even when people who know much more about them than me tell me otherwise".
< 1325539080 28049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in recursive world championships | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325539099 17362 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not passive-aggressive world championships?
< 1325539099 196237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world champion | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325539112 924145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when did anything turn recursive anyway?
< 1325539119 267970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we had to expand due to great demand
< 1325539175 793668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, when we remembered that we're a programming channel, so recursion jokes are required.
< 1325539193 53295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I... still think it's stupid. But at least understand how it happens.
< 1325539195 628053 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I saw xkcd 132 for the first time, the only guitar hero I had played was 3, which has a metallica song
< 1325539211 954021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: when elliott berated me for berating Phantom_Hoover for berating kallisti
< 1325539228 203562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is my knight in shining armor.
< 1325539231 461905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't being passive-aggressive though, i mentioned you directly by name
< 1325539232 934371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :always coming to my rescue.
< 1325539244 689316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but... adding the word recursion doesn't necessarily make it a recursion joke
< 1325539246 44731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah.  sorry about that.
< 1325539257 533027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm sorry, are you new to recursion jokes?
< 1325539268 986286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i may not be entirely sure about the term
< 1325539272 757699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be under the impression that they're meant to be funny, or even make sense.
< 1325539312 829095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I expect such things of jokes
< 1325539324 833738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not making sense, but being funny, I expect of them
< 1325539363 733489 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It makes sense, since you ignore the letter r and /r/ just becomes this thing you put between consecutive vowels. But still "non-rhotic" is a poor name for such a thing because it /adds/ rhotic consonants. The name is inherently contradictory and that's why I thought it was stupid.
< 1325539363 952407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We should do induction jokes instead?
< 1325539375 469114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually already my first topic change was recursive, as i certainly included myself in the reference
< 1325539377 974682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you type "induction" into Google it should say "did you mean: inductio".
< 1325539385 883623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductio!
< 1325539387 345986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until it ends up at "did you mean: base case".
< 1325539404 2361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds like a Harry Potter spell.
< 1325539417 789398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I:[NDUCTION])
< 1325539431 980405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can do a spell to one person, and you can do a spell to someone next to them if you've already done it to them, then you can use inductio to do it to the whole world simultaneously.
< 1325539437 270787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should that be (I : [N D U C T I O N])
< 1325539453 22134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is that an Inception joke (you will die if it is).
< 1325539472 266127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think it's a linked list joke.
< 1325539473 378893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just made a crappy recursion joke with induction!
< 1325539475 21647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's even possible.
< 1325539478 242920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursion jokes are meant to be recursion jokes.
< 1325539479 853373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do them too!
< 1325539487 528295 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think a color specification for printing file, should be: CMYK + a value to use on grayscale-only printers + either black/white/normal to select what happens on pure black/white printer
< 1325539509 28134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this recursion joke were funny, it would be a recursion joke, but as it isn't it's just a joke
< 1325539513 814729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg I heard you like induction so we put an i in your nduction so you can pattern match while you recurse.
< 1325539515 784212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, people, you need base cases!
< 1325539522 834342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please op me
< 1325539532 850657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you all know what you have done
< 1325539533 386914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who are you planning to kick/ban?
< 1325539534 536117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, as it isn't it's just a recursion reference.
< 1325539540 186262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why would you not just calculate the brightness of the RGB value for a grayscale printer? Hmm, I guess that doesn't always turn out perfectly.
< 1325539549 205863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you, oerjan and Phantom_Hoover, but I might let you back in after a few minutes
< 1325539562 466048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what answer to that question would actually get him opped.
< 1325539570 629723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but it sounds as though you have basically two distinct images in one file. How would you deal with such a file in an image editor, for example?
< 1325539571 344121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about a CGYRMBK printer?
< 1325539584 853842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What is a CGYRMBK printer?
< 1325539586 999928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure there is one, but it at least makes me curious
< 1325539598 961785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a printer that uses six colors of ink, plus black as an optimisation
< 1325539605 235921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people see, say, a cyan+yellow mix as green
< 1325539613 200002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the exact mix is slightly different for different people's eyes
< 1325539622 970805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a tetrachromat, you might not be able to do it at all
< 1325539633 387666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so using six channels rather than three makes sure you can control the color a lot more carefully
< 1325539648 820865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it's only used in really high-end printing
< 1325539649 178129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just use one channel for every possible wavelength
< 1325539660 543942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem is finding one /ink/ for every possible wavelength
< 1325539681 197399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the best answer is probably not to mention anyone by name..
< 1325539682 667510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :black ink mixed with a chemical that induces color blindness
< 1325539683 597636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; printer techonology not work well if even intended for tetrachomat and so on; but computer display might be able to make one working for many wavelengths providing very high quality display of light
< 1325539719 470810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well i left you off the list just in case
< 1325539752 105110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a good answer:
< 1325539764 53493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose CGYRMBK would still be only high end printing though. I am not sure what happen if you want to print such a document on such a printer. Possibly you would just make up a new special command for this kind of printers
< 1325539782 908295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would probably not ban very many people, but would have banned lament (or whoever he was) when he was literally just spamming a single number for pages.
< 1325539789 837746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just common sense.
< 1325539791 268669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was mathnerd
< 1325539793 635720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the DVI format allows you to use whatever new kind of special commands you want to make up
< 1325539796 537968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if we're using one channel for each possible wavelength
< 1325539802 340886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wavelength do we use for #esoteric?
< 1325539804 346892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i assume ais523 knew i meant a one-time oppage
< 1325539808 34251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: octarine
< 1325539812 626599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, fair enough assumption
< 1325539817 264184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's that in nanometres?
< 1325539822 572726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i
< 1325539825 487700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 567nm.
< 1325539854 950101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was i as in i \in C
< 1325539878 315756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I figured it eventually, although it took a few tries
< 1325539915 997006 :mr_schlauch!threeohthr@wololo.at.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325539921 569946 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mr_schlauch
< 1325539925 508292 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr_schlauch: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1325539953 649066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I can't read the wololo in the hostname as anything but an Age of Empires reference
< 1325539979 166544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebnc.net? that sounds secur
< 1325539979 564425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1325539994 769517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the b stand for there?
< 1325540018 936732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I see you've tactfully disappeared from this thread of discussion. :P
< 1325540021 80040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err?
< 1325540030 284255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know what a VNC is, but not a BNC
< 1325540037 66766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: but so has mr_schlauch
< 1325540042 824127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bouncer
< 1325540048 375267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1325540062 421060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :free bouncer -> give your irc password to random people with no reason to be nice to you :)
< 1325540068 818064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes, for much the same reasons as my tactful disappearance from conversations with brick walls.
< 1325540076 34787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not identified
< 1325540078 579233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no password being given
< 1325540086 460093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't make the idea of a free bnc any more secure
< 1325540102 884425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but you'll leave the walls offended!
< 1325540125 34881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they might not let me lean on them!
< 1325540217 851016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was under the impression I had conceded somewhat. and the topic interests me because I do take a conscious effort to learn and grow as a person. I agree that I can be stubborn but I believe there's a bit of an attribution bias going on.
< 1325540235 121062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news Phantom_Hoover admits to wanting to lean on kallisti
< 1325540239 152880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ship....... has sailed....................
< 1325540257 405549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325540260 266965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti makes conscious effort to lean and grow as a person
< 1325540265 348257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a pea plant??
< 1325540269 553328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325540282 595698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mendel would be proud.
< 1325540287 996458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is my godhead.
< 1325540331 261429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, or maybe not attribution bias, but a lack of self-awareness in how I present myself.
< 1325540371 120910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <ais523> oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you?  <Frooxius> No, sorry.  <ais523> phew  <Ngevd> How about Finland?  <Frooxius> Why would I live there?  <fizzie> That's a *very* good question.  <fizzie> Why would anyone?
< 1325540373 802317 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :793) <ais523> oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you?  <Frooxius> No, sorry.  <ais523> phew  <Ngevd> How about Finland?  <Frooxius> Why would I live there?  <fizzie> That's a *very* good question.  <fizzie> Why would anyone?
< 1325540387 203013 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATDIDIDO? Oo
< 1325540390 864167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna addquote that at the time
< 1325540392 698695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but got too lazy
< 1325540400 139814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: terrible things
< 1325540401 746375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare to be banned
< 1325540404 421152 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuuuuuuu
< 1325540409 23720 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flails and runs in funny shapes
< 1325540417 103538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you seem to define "a conscious effort to learn and grow as a person" as "stubbornly refusing to let go of any misunderstanding when people try to explain things to me" says it all, really.
< 1325540429 874343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are funny shapes
< 1325540464 187266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octahedra
< 1325540465 877165 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemonoid 
< 1325540479 747193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangulum bisectoids
< 1325540485 927289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhombidodecahedron
< 1325540490 649221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual of a pentagonal antiprism
< 1325540502 496104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexander horned potatogons
< 1325540506 779283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really, no.
< 1325540523 718200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> alexander horned potatogons
< 1325540523 896648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vigintihedra
< 1325540529 990401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thanks, i know what to name my child now
< 1325540546 407427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexander Horned Potatogon Hird?
< 1325540553 44227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the child is female?
< 1325540560 197539 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex is a female name.
< 1325540575 700196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Alexander is not.
< 1325540583 789169 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be!
< 1325540589 15039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexia is a female name, and a neurological condition.
< 1325540609 23706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, if I ever have a daughter I will name her that and then snigger whenever I hear her name.
< 1325540622 669293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :File under "why Phantom_Hoover must never reproduce".
< 1325540626 503407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Alexandra? I guess Alexis could be a name too.
< 1325540645 254341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Elliott "I will name my child Azimuth" Hird.
< 1325540648 718207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If they're a girl I'll just swap it around: Potatogon Horned Alexander Hird.
< 1325540649 651514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, Alexandria.
< 1325540653 436738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP AZIMUTH IS A COOL NAME
< 1325540655 126220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a city.)
< 1325540655 660787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1325540658 342830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as cool as
< 1325540660 663937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o rly?  :P
< 1325540662 269083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1325540668 336649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, die, seriously.
< 1325540669 943391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope it's the coolest
< 1325540690 319448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: rest assured I know Alexandria is a city because it exists in the United States as well.
< 1325540694 534510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would be oblivious.
< 1325540696 352931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im naming my kid Orly
< 1325540710 176625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle name
< 1325540711 327934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowai
< 1325540714 303438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1325540719 434124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iw ant my child to grow up with a healthy sense of self-loathing
< 1325540720 326992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and despair
< 1325540736 649066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't Alexander Horned Potatogon have the same effect?
< 1325540758 726780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have to worry about naming his children because he plans to not have any ever.
< 1325540761 621935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is for my second kid
< 1325540773 484168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so controversial
< 1325540774 845741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(insert obvious jokes, ha ha ha )
< 1325540785 819892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: alexander horned potatogon orly nowai hird
< 1325540794 93247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it crossed the line of terrible back into awesome
< 1325540800 780789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can just sign things as -AHPON
< 1325540806 181948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :ahpon
< 1325540814 587898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ahpon
< 1325540816 554529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahponh
< 1325540822 674996 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahpon could easily be their pseudonym as an electronic or hip hop artist.
< 1325540829 104065 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: alexander horned potatogon orly nowai
< 1325540838 702180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Frooxius> WHATDIDIDO? Oo <-- you got innocently involved in a driveby quoting accident
< 1325540854 105705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bahahahaha nobody will guess who I am if I refer to myself by my initials!"
< 1325540864 31109 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but
< 1325540864 746167 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahpon
< 1325540865 856983 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :si cool name
< 1325540874 729132 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATDIDIDONOW? Oo
< 1325540881 954706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahpon: you look stupider with that name
< 1325540892 90120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb --canadia 25
< 1325540896 769701 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: packed too many words into one and lost your nose
< 1325540898 595721 :ahpon!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1325540898 775562 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree meter noncarbering obia conocon nitin aftwott diblasmil stalatickli declack chic sweel exill tadtitin gasta psychon unproposte baffice scoholistico hetteraph archille dussarct wipentit weitmen treu
< 1325540904 270673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree
< 1325540906 812943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :engree
< 1325540910 567131 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to search for his nose
< 1325540930 7764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Stramillicon Tibia Rapunda Alexander Horned Potatogon Orly Nowai?
< 1325540932 507509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychon is my new internet handle
< 1325540956 349050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noncarbering declack?
< 1325540960 319002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's so unproposte
< 1325540972 579420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> I thought it was Alexandra? I guess Alexis could be a name too. <-- i believe in ancient times, alexis was a male name.
< 1325540972 757823 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tibia is the best part of that
< 1325540977 85265 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325540979 210655 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people will ask me like
< 1325540981 751150 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you name your kid that
< 1325540982 684352 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll go
< 1325540983 934258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a component of a Dussarct.
< 1325540988 473782 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tibia is my favourite body part after alll hah aha
< 1325540995 182755 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tibia is a real thing dude........
< 1325541006 95736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1325541016 400487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, fancy not knowing what a tibia is.
< 1325541024 893242 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are scottish
< 1325541045 53610 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: it would be more reasonable to assume an American doesn't know what a tibia is.
< 1325541068 663000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, we do all kick each other in the shins so much that the tibia has been bred out over time.
< 1325541095 780541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you unable to twist your leg joints?
< 1325541114 96485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325541116 100518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to do that?
< 1325541136 243098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do traditional folk dance of course.
< 1325541141 497355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a scot this is important.
< 1325541153 926880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhotic or non-rhotic folk dance?
< 1325541167 771735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you add a bunch of r's, probably non-rhotic.
< 1325541222 993101 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- kallisti "gosh i'm really only smug about these things by accident" kallisti
< 1325541245 653913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only sometimes. :>
< 1325541252 514610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rhotic or non-rhotic unladen swallow dance
< 1325541282 716079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitin Aftwott could be a name
< 1325541323 533522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalatickly: prone to giggle uncontrollably when touching things in caves
< 1325541331 716935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: also that wasn't really smugness.
< 1325541342 268378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when touched by caves?
< 1325541343 797872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke. ha ha
< 1325541347 593159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325541351 75236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :caves usually don't poke at people though
< 1325541375 652642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you do, don't cross the weitmen
< 1325541382 246226 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: jokes can be smug
< 1325541383 139071 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine this could be Nitin Aftwott's area of expertise
< 1325541392 652217 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when they're indistinguishable from smartassery
< 1325541402 704824 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may make people more likely to see smug intent where there is none in the future!
< 1325541406 860948 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevds can be sleepy
< 1325541409 256675 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1325541411 940106 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-210.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325541412 116095 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: dude
< 1325541412 744981 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its
< 1325541413 281164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitin aftwott, spelunker
< 1325541415 250805 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 fucking pm
< 1325541434 305621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: hey at least I was being accurate!
< 1325541449 549251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably would be the non-rhotic one. if non-rhotic dances were a thing.
< 1325541450 665115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: 11 pm in CET
< 1325541460 823242 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is ngevd from hexham?
< 1325541488 525494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325541506 425366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think you just outdid Vorpal
< 1325541519 190710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: regardless of style, you dance like an unproposte baffice
< 1325541549 622397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, at what?
< 1325541550 626128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: undid him how?
< 1325541554 907484 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, ngevd is from hexham.
< 1325541560 507530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *outdid
< 1325541562 194775 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of what started the whole hexham thing.
< 1325541566 528749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: obliviousness
< 1325541574 786262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obliviousness to what?
< 1325541579 321519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha ha 
< 1325541580 754481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha 
< 1325541584 35657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ha
< 1325541584 212706 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  ...too much output!
< 1325541587 541765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalm
< 1325541610 790172 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that, a laughing Fibonacci?
< 1325541619 51396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever someone says facepalm I think of like a really cool kung fu move.
< 1325541626 670622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you wack someone in the nose with your palm.
< 1325541643 230431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: yes.
< 1325541651 926914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't think I ever saw the start of the hexham thing, it was already going when I first saw it
< 1325541718 659255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hexham-helsinki-hell axis
< 1325541749 966145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I guess it's wrong to be smug. unless you actually are superior because you know more!
< 1325541753 768168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexland and finham
< 1325541763 385789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: this is the lesson I have learned from #esoteric
< 1325541776 634823 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well, between someone who's smug and wrong and someone who's smug and right...
< 1325541788 606316 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively: two wrongs, etc.
< 1325541819 543169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION passive-aggressively twiddles his thumbs
< 1325541858 19579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I think I was half-right in that non-rhotic is a bit of a misnomer. But it's also not! it's craaaazy.
< 1325541864 98333 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you really think just fidgeting and complaining whenever anything like this comes up actually accomplishes anything
< 1325541888 888504 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WOULD ALL JUST GET ALONG IF WE NEVER EVER EXAMINED PEOPLE AND BEHAVIOURS
< 1325541917 6388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels that he is not not getting along with anyone right now.
< 1325541917 185589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could make the channel so you never see what anyone else writes
< 1325541924 527275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :should prove conflict free
< 1325541966 358984 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm not not-getting-along-with-you, I'm just trying to explain why your behaviour is perceived as smug rather than eager to learn
< 1325541999 473605 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: and now I understand. so cool.
< 1325542023 989167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>  smug face.
< 1325542027 158907 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is why complaining that these things are ~drama~ is way more disruptive than talking about these things.
< 1325542040 729144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama? where?
< 1325542142 19619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan's not really disruptive. I like that he defends me (not necessarily what I'm actually saying). :D
< 1325542150 160866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore he is not disruptive
< 1325542152 170757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION good logic.
< 1325542160 913199 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is none. and don't take it too personally, he acts this way whenever anybody disagrees with the conduct of another, ever
< 1325542213 279999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shame on you.
< 1325542235 953303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zetro: oh and fuck you for being so quiet
< 1325542237 933960 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :xandy: you too
< 1325542252 347759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates everyone. rageignores everyone.
< 1325542252 506226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> hmm, I don't think I ever saw the start of the hexham thing, it was already going when I first saw it
< 1325542301 63242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was basically "Taneb shows up, mentions he's from Northumberland, I take a shot in the dark and ask him if he's from Hexham, both he and elliott have heart attacks."
< 1325542326 68282 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when I sleep I become Taneb, go back in time, and act out the day as him.
< 1325542343 87157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculation of Chinese New Year:  http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/chinese-new-year.png
< 1325542349 355889 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have memory loss of what you did as elliott
< 1325542357 724518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it way more convincing.
< 1325542366 276072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why did they have heart attacks?
< 1325542408 269796 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What's a really small, boring town in Sweden?
< 1325542413 780816 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really small.
< 1325542416 727566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm.
< 1325542418 314895 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, pop. 10k.
< 1325542427 451112 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda ruraly, countrysidey-located.
< 1325542429 831011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, trick question: all of them!
< 1325542432 406461 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe has a market.
< 1325542433 359496 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha.
< 1325542440 520462 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but seriously what's the equivalent of that, just name one.
< 1325542459 363540 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someplace people in the area will know about but people on the other side of the country might not.
< 1325542464 235136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I will be making a conscious effort to not presume that I'm correct about disagreements when I don't fully understand the topic. (Note this is different from not acting smug as I don't think I can do that :P )
< 1325542468 40220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagersta perhaps
< 1325542483 513190 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OK, so imagine there's a guy on IRC in a small, tight-knight community who's from Fagersta.
< 1325542502 205659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> maybe we could make the channel so you never see what anyone else writes
< 1325542507 439656 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: A few years later, someone else comes in, and everything is normal until they mention they live in Västmanland county.
< 1325542510 198554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just /ignore *!*@* ALL
< 1325542519 213483 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Someone says "Please tell me you're not from Fagersta", and they go "How did you know???".
< 1325542541 89314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's probably not that good, because people I know from fagersta allegedly run into other people from fagersta all the time
< 1325542557 237311 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1325542562 351420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha ha.
< 1325542577 83351 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OK, let's put it this way: Hexham is known for having a big ol' church and a market.
< 1325542579 303408 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-order Fibonacci laugh has been permitted.
< 1325542582 159144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Västmanland, the land of vast men.
< 1325542585 532016 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's mostly houses.
< 1325542588 686986 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And boring shops.
< 1325542595 945106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And boring people.
< 1325542615 111311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I live is mostly Anytown, USA
< 1325542617 887668 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And there are inexplicably two people who (a) like esolangs, (b) read Homestuck and (c) are in the same IRC channel, without (d) having ever consciously met or communicated before, ever.
< 1325542623 2472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone from Nowhere, Ireland turns up I will have to leave and never come back.
< 1325542638 966904 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh my god, you have to ask everyone you meet whether they read Homestuck next time you end up there.
< 1325542647 60240 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And carry a gun so you can shoot them.
< 1325542650 548894 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's prevention.
< 1325542678 910231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325542680 974623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unitary authority" is that kind of like a county?
< 1325542702 173200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no that's "ceremonial county" I guess one is a political entity and the other is formal/historic?
< 1325542735 178840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> there is none. and don't take it too personally, he acts this way whenever anybody disagrees with the conduct of another, ever <-- i'm not really against pointing things out in a polite way, i just cannot keep from rolling my eyes at what feels like recursion of self-obliviousness.  including my own.
< 1325542759 894969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no unitary authority is more like a state district, kind of.
< 1325542767 485546 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in size.
< 1325542810 599190 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, there's a difference between rolling your eyes and implying everyone else is wasting their time... if there's a recurring problem that comes up in-channel, then bringing it up is more likely to solve it than pretending it doesn't happen :P
< 1325542850 754699 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to find that the main problem with metadiscussion is that there's always somebody really loud who wants to pop all the layers away... I suspect this problem occurs in programming too :P
< 1325542881 108441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this discussion. too meta.
< 1325542888 563451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like metametametadiscussion now.
< 1325542897 777174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This discussion is a RationalWiki trigger, can it stop?
< 1325542912 273293 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion about the discussion about the metadiscussions 
< 1325542934 756465 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: My favourite thing about Stack Overflow is that they have a separate site running the same software exclusively for metadiscussion, with its /own reputation system/.
< 1325542942 947705 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people with more meta rep than main-site rep.
< 1325542953 962622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nowhere, Ireland is named after a pile of stones. Seriously.)
< 1325542954 796763 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set /meta reputation bounties/ on questions there.
< 1325542955 908800 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go back to the main discussion, where we're just assholes to one another.
< 1325543014 3461 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Fuck you.
< 1325543022 622999 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan taking me seriously in 3, 2, 1...
< 1325543054 42215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: is there a word for when you cause something not to happen by predicting that it will happen?
< 1325543057 109420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like a jinx I guess.
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< 1325543105 883318 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: self-defeating prophecy
< 1325543118 465555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good.
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< 1325543141 698422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a netsplit as like a huge storm seperated a bunch of ships..
< 1325543147 467287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an earthquake.
< 1325543171 219142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> oerjan taking me seriously in 3, 2, 1... <-- please be more polite than that.  you are getting close to my limit there.
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< 1325543180 914511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a limit?
< 1325543193 807542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd've thought spamming the channel to the condemnation of all would cross it.
< 1325543205 794915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey i _did_ ban fax.
< 1325543216 46517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because nobody asked you to?
< 1325543236 915334 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was a joke based on your repeated tendency to miss such in-context ironies.
< 1325543255 672497 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But yes, your limit is defined per person, and is approximately ten thousand ceilings lower for me than for most other people.
< 1325543286 934922 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not going to step up to the responsibility of banning e.g. blatant spammers, you really shouldn't threaten people with your op powers.
< 1325543394 739289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: you realize i was joking in my ^^ message?
< 1325543432 472656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, doesn't make what he said any less true.
< 1325543467 114575 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fair enough, but the reason I missed it is that it's sufficiently similar to things you've said in the past.
< 1325543470 820801 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take my comments back.
< 1325543498 47716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if it needed to be said...
< 1325543524 259369 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put them back on the table!
< 1325543535 733926 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THESE COMMENTS I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM
< 1325543551 457612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nails one of them up on the eastern wall
< 1325543608 380285 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: take yer comments and shove 'em up yer ass!
< 1325543639 152424 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION founds #esoteric-meta
< 1325543644 110473 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets mode +b *!*@* #esoteric-meta
< 1325543647 483494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I['m soorrry I 'mtired)
< 1325543657 793706 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m['e to 'o
< 1325543661 490123 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really)
< 1325543667 830595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that MathNerd314 event was because the whole thing started so ridiculously i couldn't take it seriously.
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< 1325543765 188894 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n
< 1325543782 687080 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite an experience i must admit
< 1325543802 346050 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost it at "i am the singularity"
< 1325543890 417010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10
< 1325543895 867741 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitalk mecut ted folson leiset rehen pantauth uuiorma cyclam han
< 1325543913 918329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did freenode reset the dates on all the ban lists again
< 1325543920 602944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclam = pokemon
< 1325543938 470551 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pantauth = pokemon
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< 1325543949 439047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irritating when you cannot distinguish old bans from new ones
< 1325543955 947645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :leiset = pharmecutical
< 1325543977 980526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the mathnerd event?
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< 1325544008 4629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*> [0-9]*$
< 1325544014 36932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuiorma Rehen is probably a finnish name
< 1325544027 277004 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325544030 947416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1325544052 726245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, case sensitive? lack of quoting for the space?
< 1325544060 423938 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*>.[0-9]*$
< 1325544067 243743 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-18.txt:22:52:01: <Mathnerd314> Hask = (->)
< 1325544099 412007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd...>.[0-9]*$
< 1325544105 514846 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325544114 905375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*>.*[0-9]$
< 1325544121 438541 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-04-25.txt:21:12:09: <Mathnerd314> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28t_1+%2B+w*t_2+%2B+w^2*t_3%29^3+%2B+%28t_1+%2B+w^2*t_2+%2B+w*t_3%29^3+with+w+%3D+e^%282+i+pi+%2F+3%29
< 1325544123 659115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*>.[0-9]+$
< 1325544130 962179 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325544131 121264 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Mathnerd314> Hask = (->)
< 1325544134 752763 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ lol
< 1325544152 733931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1325544178 651187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*>
< 1325544185 107318 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-30.txt:21:58:41: <Mathnerd314> that has to change... I want computer typography!
< 1325544211 774730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah obviously it never really happened.
< 1325544229 797704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1325544243 659627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*i am the singularity
< 1325544249 498380 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-02.txt:22:44:03: <oerjan> `log mathnerd.*i am the singularity
< 1325544259 598445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I get what he's trying to say, but saying that Hask is literally equal to (->) is kind of silly.`log mathnerd.*>.*\d
< 1325544269 197366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse
< 1325544270 346145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd[3].*i am the singularity
< 1325544277 7369 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325544298 284967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*\d\s*$
< 1325544305 60206 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-04.txt:01:54:25: <Mathnerd314> !haskell flip (-) 1 2
< 1325544322 897803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mathnerd.*>\s*\d\s*$
< 1325544328 842480 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325544333 320716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep never happened.
< 1325544346 504747 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log (?i)mathnerd.*>\s*\d\s*$
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< 1325544379 392463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually was that when glogbot was down?
< 1325544401 163277 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hackego was down.
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< 1325544520 69201 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad. AW servers are so crappy, a friend's trying to get a list of all property keeps crashing a world.
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< 1325545042 732471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I would yell at you for bringing up AW, but it's pathologically fascinating.
< 1325545242 742553 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1325545260 486273 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> <Mathnerd314> Hask = (->)
< 1325545260 645638 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> ^^ lol
< 1325545262 865736 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's correct
< 1325545264 332681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathological and fascinating
< 1325545310 640172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: the Hask category is literally equivalent to the function type?
< 1325545339 302540 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if you look at category-extras you will see the line
< 1325545340 620011 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The morphisms is, I think
< 1325545342 365090 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Hask = (->)
< 1325545351 422208 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the morphism is the function type
< 1325545356 102418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objects are the types.
< 1325545394 425260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a morphism is _a_ function
< 1325545421 900936 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question I ask is: are categories their morphisms?
< 1325545429 491347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems incorrect to me.
< 1325545439 184658 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's surely irrlevant, as mathnerd was almost certainly explaining some signature or declaration in category-extras
< 1325545442 119141 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irrelevant
< 1325545449 387243 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in haskell
< 1325545451 461463 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Category
< 1325545451 939554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :(
< 1325545453 117378 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they are.
< 1325545456 606839 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you lambdabot
< 1325545460 931316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: ah okay. I suppose that's the flaw of taking logs out of context.
< 1325545462 82795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's one possible axiomatization of categories to only consider the morphisms
< 1325545494 647454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define the morphisms without objects?
< 1325545497 701017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmmm, I suppose the set of all morphisms does contain all of the relevant information...
< 1325545498 337542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compositions?
< 1325545504 55462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1325545529 244690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How does Hask work with functions being types?)
< 1325545529 760360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can identify the objects with the identity morphisms
< 1325545550 37482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it doesn't...
< 1325545552 893269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are functions-as-morphisms and functions-as-types separated?)
< 1325545568 674442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a function is not a type
< 1325545578 970057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the morphisms are function _values_
< 1325545583 766877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Int -> Int) isn't a type?
< 1325545591 572514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1325545614 93171 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those category theorists should really have consulted with programmers before deciding on their terminology
< 1325545655 97651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those programmers should really have consulted with me before trying category theory wait i am become kallisti 
< 1325545698 982775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Cartesian closed category, it has something to do with that things
< 1325545704 98619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's funny is that I never actually say things like that.
< 1325545713 882519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I do I'm probably joking.
< 1325545720 823553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: as for making the set of morphisms between two objects into an object in itself, categories where you can do that nicely are called "cartesian closed categories".  i'm not quite sure if Hask is one precisely or just approximately
< 1325545724 674773 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan should I read Mac Lane
< 1325545728 639819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a self-deprecating manner, in fact.
< 1325545741 70851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, he had things written on him?
< 1325545755 7616 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shut up all the cool kids refer to the book like that.
< 1325545767 143847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, self-deprecation doesn't make being stupid cool.
< 1325545782 782927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the absence of genuine categorical products might mess it up slightly
< 1325545790 861956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's an interesting and irrelevant point.
< 1325545806 146463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is this _|_ again?
< 1325545849 378800 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What Phantom_Hoover is trying to say is that you can't say things with impunity to mockery by declaring them jokes. (You're welcome, this would have taken 5 hours to communicate.)
< 1325545890 620972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: since when do I even say "oh I am an expert on this matter this random person should have consulted me" without it being obviously in the context of some kind of humor?
< 1325545960 55696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> hey oerjan should I read Mac Lane <-- well although it's a standard recommendation, i haven't done so myself, so...
< 1325545963 341821 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That question should be directed at Phantom_Hoover, I just wanted to skip 5 hours of tedium.
< 1325545987 768435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah iirc
< 1325545992 531478 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was hoping you'd read it so you could give me an authoritative warning it'd go way over my head :)
< 1325546000 678347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't Mac Lane be approaching it from a topological angle?
< 1325546004 200839 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O BitBucket has an option to do git
< 1325546023 126319 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I'm using BitBucket is because Gregor has me thinking that it may be easier
< 1325546031 163889 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that hg may be easier
< 1325546042 91377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: hm it probably has a lot of advanced examples, at least
< 1325546062 498826 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the first i heard about mac lane was people saying it was just too much for them :P
< 1325546076 466029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it's likely most mathematicians don't know all of them either :P
< 1325546076 624321 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who _actually know mathematics_!!
< 1325546084 604131 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter VI. Monads and Algebras.
< 1325546084 759851 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter VII. Monoids.
< 1325546086 74412 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ordering
< 1325546106 154704 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter VII: Monoids. A monoid is just a monad not necessarily in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem?
< 1325546146 846797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endomorphisms of a category make a monoid too
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< 1325546297 475295 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: One day I will know more category theory than you and THEN the tables will be TURNED.
< 1325546301 400445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: i guess this may be one book where you're not expect to get all the way through :P
< 1325546305 760848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ed
< 1325546312 697905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, I don't really know category theory?
< 1325546322 175587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day, coming now
< 1325546327 568393 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT IS WHY IT WILL BE EXCEEDINGLY EASY
< 1325546349 553234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of baffled why you thought I did.
< 1325546353 456085 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't.
< 1325546356 508224 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would prefer Categories for the Working Magician.
< 1325546390 585394 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, page 1 doesn't look so bad
< 1325546397 701541 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is checking the amazon preview :P
< 1325546412 904658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold, as I saw a functor in half!
< 1325546458 641308 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whenever possible we write f x and not f(x), omitting unnecessary parentheses."
< 1325546467 202866 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: category theory was evidently doomed to end up in haskell from the start
< 1325546480 791722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1325546520 93298 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh this is simpler than i expected
< 1325546521 719847 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1325546522 710368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure the topology book with the surprise category theory was a graduate texts in mathematics book too.
< 1325546523 820435 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only page 4
< 1325546549 514437 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't like these diagrams though :'(
< 1325546558 759976 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make linear notation for them :P
< 1325546572 536378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: what, the diagrams are like half the point
< 1325546592 406813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of the diagrams is that it gets rid of inelegant linear notation and lets you go from page to brain a lot faster.
< 1325546660 207635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to grasp the snake lemma without diagrams - not pretty.
< 1325546718 902769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i remember what the snake lemma actually said.
< 1325546726 635033 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: yeah but they're ugly :P
< 1325546748 382424 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what did you read to learn cat theory (as i will henceforth call it, forever)
< 1325546750 760028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found them quite pretty.
< 1325546820 116656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: i think it was partly osmosis.  also homological algebra and algebraic topology books
< 1325546846 501837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned programming by osmosis.
< 1325546849 596566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learn by Wikipedia and by Haskell and by ask people question in this channel
< 1325546882 796222 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries the last one
< 1325546886 613207 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is category theory
< 1325546887 603997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the K-theory used in my PhD
< 1325546889 565828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I probably spent about 6 months slowly reading things about Perl before I ever actually wrote a real program.
< 1325546920 800804 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_My_Turn_(film)#Accurate_Math_on_Film I'll watch this and learn the snake lemma
< 1325546925 598669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* engree tries the last one
< 1325546930 924722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic topology books?
< 1325546948 634034 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ask people question in this channel
< 1325546950 99644 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1325546951 209245 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover
< 1325546971 701215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About algebraic topology?
< 1325546982 149980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: ask me all of your category theory questions. I am the expert.
< 1325546992 776076 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, grothendieck literally lives in the mountains in the middle of nowhere?
< 1325546995 395639 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1325547035 857860 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nationality	None (Stateless)
< 1325547036 14348 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how did he manage that one
< 1325547105 968129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In January 2010, Grothendieck wrote a letter to Luc Illusie. In this "Déclaration d'intention de non-publication", he states that essentially all materials that have been published in his absence have been done without his permission. He asks that none of his work should be reproduced in whole or in part, and even further that libraries containing such copies of his work remove them."
< 1325547110 216522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325547137 868086 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Some countries actually state that you have the right to become stateless.
< 1325547146 98819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: for example: did you know that a category is a set of objects, a set of morphisms from one source object to another target object, and an associative composition operator with an identity element on those morphisms?
< 1325547147 282847 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You didn't hear about that?
< 1325547156 483738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: yes you can learn these things and more by asking me questions.
< 1325547161 456298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I have?
< 1325547170 218737 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it came up in here. :p
< 1325547179 261032 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, the article doesn't explain how he became stateles
< 1325547179 618969 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1325547188 955279 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers citation needing it
< 1325547203 276641 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alexander_Grothendieck#Statelessness heh
< 1325547241 813500 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just CAN'T do cohomology of groups just after explaining Snake﻿ Lemma :D
< 1325547242 7137 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killingbuddha1 2 weeks ago
< 1325547247 734320 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: help, I wandered into some bizarro youtube
< 1325547256 228693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear.
< 1325547256 549882 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has a phd in mathematics
< 1325547269 614138 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also quite possible, given his age, that his citizenship is from a non-existant country.
< 1325547272 329566 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@belyi3 Valid point: how do these things come about? The answer is: from algebraic topology. Starting with Euler characteristic and Betti numbers of surfaces, one generalises to homology and cohomology groups. Then some very smart people realised that the underlying operations in homological & cohomological computations can be abstractised so that only the algebraic remnants remain. So this is﻿ what you get.
< 1325547272 488252 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you, I'd love to see a more historically motivated account of cohomology.
< 1325547272 488464 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc75 1 year ago
< 1325547272 650436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1325547279 780955 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HELP...
< 1325547300 843345 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: born in germany, lives in france? doubt it
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< 1325547313 11261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the context in which the surprise cat theory came.
< 1325547353 538956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something; I was kind of sleepy by that point and I had an interview the next day.
< 1325547362 496810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: maybe it has something to do with East/West Germany?
< 1325547365 191727 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Germany runs under jus sanguinis, and didn't grant citizenship to people who would otherwise be born stateless until more recently than that.
< 1325547371 26813 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fair enough
< 1325547374 196425 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, http://www.grothendieckcircle.org/ actually removed links to his papers
< 1325547389 84137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should go on long trips with only textbooks to entertain me more; I learnt a lot on that trip.)
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< 1325547526 998583 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, his mother was German.
< 1325547597 445910 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way that he was *born* stateless, and his original citizenship would not have ceased to be in effect...
< 1325547670 475307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1939 Grothendieck came to France and lived in various camps for displaced persons with his mother, first at the Camp de Rieucros, and subsequently lived for the remainder of the war in the village of Le Chambon-sur-Lignon, where he was sheltered and hidden in local boarding-houses or pensions."  -- maybe this?
< 1325547717 562262 :qfr!void@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grothendieck is hilarious
< 1325547751 52168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait. The Nazis denaturalised people.
< 1325547786 330246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the law reinstating the citizenships only reinstates citizenship on people who take residence in Germany after 1945.
< 1325547815 95149 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, he could actually have become stateless because of the Nazis, and continue to be stateless by merit of never having gone back to Germany.
< 1325547827 234150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> You just CAN'T do cohomology of groups just after explaining Snake Lemma :D <-- iirc that is correct, since the snake lemma is a building block several steps before defining (co)homology
< 1325547851 675954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes, it is perfectly feasible for him to be stateless.
< 1325547862 380680 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be able to gain a citizenship trivially.
< 1325547890 599364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does stateless even have a practical impact on one's life?
< 1325547893 771523 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ness
< 1325547904 530225 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: absolutely
< 1325547924 403610 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You need to do some really annoying paperwork to do a few things.
< 1325547931 51762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. get a passport.
< 1325547941 568094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still subject to all the laws in the area you reside in.
< 1325547950 412682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it basically just makes life more inconvenient.
< 1325547957 540179 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made a list of the most difficult and complicated kind of mathematics, and "motivic cohomology" was at the top.
< 1325548005 90668 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I doubt you could get a job while stateless?
< 1325548009 737474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This status is largely because of post-WWII international law which requires nations to treat stateless people that happen to be in there country as, essentially, legal immigrants.
< 1325548020 428977 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there/their/
< 1325548087 114535 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did the nazis actually do
< 1325548097 202564 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip german citizenship of people they didn't like?
< 1325548106 402445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1325548107 551063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, jews at least
< 1325548124 586801 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Anyone they like" is by far the more accurate classification.
< 1325548132 133471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1325548138 234888 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jews were merely a significant proportion of that set.
< 1325548150 867557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1325548152 202750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't like
< 1325548152 677641 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1325548162 785234 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck this country im out" --hilter
< 1325548166 788938 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WE HAVE REVOKED THE CITIZENSHIP OF HITLER" :P
< 1325548167 264558 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former worked as well.
< 1325548176 581124 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would provide a really convenient country for them to bomb, mind you.
< 1325548197 277823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anyone they like" can mean that they chose whomever they wanted to be denaturalized.
< 1325548248 205696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyoned they liked to denaturalize. :P
< 1325548350 145262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :him iiy nam eiska llisti
< 1325548456 769093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's nothing about the set of morphisms of a category that requires it to form a bijective mapping right?
< 1325548467 74371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that required?
< 1325548569 492857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1325548599 56008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no.
< 1325548600 322943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bijective mapping to what
< 1325548628 862485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not required to be a set, it can be a proper class
< 1325548646 551144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bijective mapping from the object set to the object set.
< 1325548649 368895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, right.
< 1325548671 522285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.  for one thing, the objects are not required to be conceptual sets.
< 1325548689 67176 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no I mean...
< 1325548700 622954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the morphisms aren't acting on sets of objects themselves.
< 1325548733 322004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not.  such a category is called "concrete".
< 1325548759 382594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is otherwise no requirement that morphisms be _functions_
< 1325548777 49053 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay here's a better question: a single morphism can act on multiple objects in the category, yes or no?
< 1325548786 603653 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there one source object
< 1325548789 566896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one target object
< 1325548795 745847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.  a single morphism always has exactly one.
< 1325548799 824795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of each.
< 1325548802 993753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325548814 898472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could think of the set of morphisms as a sort of mapping right?
< 1325548828 325146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1325548843 127544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom-set or whatever it's called.
< 1325548859 817801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a mapping... or a relation I guess.
< 1325548867 287459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325548873 36611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, Hom is a bifunctor from any category to Set
< 1325548897 621225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no I mean...
< 1325548916 797634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er locally small category, technically
< 1325548928 923838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see I didn't mean hom.
< 1325548937 794729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... I did
< 1325548941 431807 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two hom expressions
< 1325548944 999855 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(a, b) and hom(C)
< 1325548979 707534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A homset is the set of morphisms, isn't it?
< 1325548982 718633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(C)... is a mapping right? it maps objects to objects in the category, right?
< 1325548985 650924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325548991 571536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1325548999 241430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(a,b) refers to the morphisms specifically between objects a and b.
< 1325549003 879712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1325549118 565561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i cannot find your hom(C) concept on the wp Morphism page
< 1325549132 180554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you can make a category from any digraph, where the objects are the nodes and the morphisms are the walks
< 1325549137 739077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class hom(C), whose elements are called morphisms or maps or arrows. Each morphism f has a unique source object a and target object b.
< 1325549149 218966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the category theory page.
< 1325549159 311906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway I think I got the answer to my question, which is "no"
< 1325549165 104459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is a different category than Haskell functions category
< 1325549165 580060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if I worded it correctly.
< 1325549175 298840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1325549205 503782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the relation from C to C formed by hom(C) does not have to be a one-to-one mapping, is what I was asking.
< 1325549242 838691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i still don't know what relation you are speaking about
< 1325549249 681072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so....
< 1325549259 6313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a morphism... is basically like an ordered pair, right?
< 1325549263 46838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1325549272 222079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it different.
< 1325549318 763174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it _similar_?  two morphisms can have the same source and target, and still be different.
< 1325549321 704089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, I gave one example. There are others
< 1325549340 722297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh really? how does that work.
< 1325549352 513773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I knew morphisms were just a source object and target object pair.
< 1325549380 952988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No. One example is the digraphs like I said, another example is different functions between the types like in Haskell or in the category of sets
< 1325549395 157054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but then how is that constructed.
< 1325549397 693145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and described
< 1325549400 388099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in category theory
< 1325549430 447008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By morphism composition.
< 1325549454 606877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325549461 580513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well commonly a morphism in Set may be a triple, (A,B,f) where A and B are the source and target and f : A -> B is a subset of A x B which is a function.
< 1325549512 354935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and B are included just to ensure the target and source maps really are defined.  (actually A may be redundant.)
< 1325549559 694098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then morphisms in Set are relations.
< 1325549566 71647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,
< 1325549582 181149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no, functions, but in set theory functions are represented as relations.
< 1325549605 519949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1325549608 143873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Rel is the category of all relations
< 1325549631 436297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1325549633 654790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325549634 763812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which Set is a subcategory
< 1325549653 311124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover seemed baffled that I would see "subset of A x B" and somehow think "relation"
< 1325549686 515956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he left...
< 1325549687 149282 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325549740 507186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was a bit baffled too
< 1325549754 694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the "which is a function" part :P
< 1325549763 66185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the most elementary CT fact that the morphisms of Set are functions :P
< 1325549814 427315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the quintessential example of a category.
< 1325549845 565704 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is the quintessential example of a category.
< 1325549871 918271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one does need to spend a while afterward pointing out that there are categories in which morphisms have nothing to do with functions.
< 1325549882 713728 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss fax :(
< 1325549887 268909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325549901 137402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just temporarily forgot that all relations are not functions and saw the "subset of A x B" and thought relations...
< 1325549909 288674 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are no relations that are functions :P
< 1325549928 899257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not what I meant by that statement
< 1325549936 945314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: has anyone seen em around?
< 1325549964 331279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have doubts e would be able to stay undetected
< 1325549986 442118 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the usual route appears to be via #haskell
< 1325549986 599383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is preventing Set morphisms from being relations?
< 1325550013 322321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the fact that non-functions are not included in Set morphisms by definition.
< 1325550016 646156 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but we know he quit all forums, at least programming-related, for an extended period of time after the first or second time it happened.
< 1325550032 633608 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eir, sorry
< 1325550042 489378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then can you make a relation set category?
< 1325550048 79413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not very interesting. why not just add it to the definition. I was wondering if it would break something.
< 1325550050 105316 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wouldn't be surprised if the two-time "revelation" of eir identity after returning was enough to make that permanent.
< 1325550071 549220 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cpressey did comment on eir blog ages ago; but it's completely dead.
< 1325550076 594133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1325550084 404723 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in '10.
< 1325550084 880694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: erm as i said Rel is a different category, which also exists
< 1325550089 322193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using spivak pronouns for ironic purposes.
< 1325550098 963415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right but that's the category of relations..
< 1325550104 824955 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No.
< 1325550110 19171 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know which pronouns fax prefers.
< 1325550112 29063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: also for not being bloody sure what gender e actually _is_
< 1325550125 187070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what sense of is to use
< 1325550139 272504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn fax was male, but that could just be heuristic talking.
< 1325550142 956108 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reddit.com/user/cwcc is still around, but e abandoned that one long before disappearing completely; eir later accounts have been deleted.
< 1325550163 974773 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I believe e identified as male while using the name fax.
< 1325550176 202600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not very reliable if e has changed the preferred set of pronouns.
< 1325550180 150642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or well... is Set the "category of functions" then? You seem to be saying that Rel is the alternative category for a category on sets with relations as morphisms.
< 1325550191 520288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something.
< 1325550194 56073 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh my god, cwcc posted in /r/vortexmath
< 1325550196 836410 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325550200 719654 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy:
< 1325550201 36730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you simply let the objects be sets and the morphisms be (A,B,M) where M is a subset of A x B.  (again A and B are just included to ensure they're well-defined source and target)
< 1325550207 281946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I found a computer program try to guess your gender if you answer a lot of questions. However, after answering all of the question the certainty was still zero so it couldn't guess.
< 1325550215 448707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah okay, so yes.
< 1325550239 373660 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but yeah, I somewhat doubt we'll see em around any time soon: at least not recognisably.
< 1325550240 997396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well Set has an important special standing in the theory.
< 1325550243 107223 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rel is kind of misleading as I would expect the objects to be relations or something.
< 1325550262 122259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so there are properties of Set that would break if it were suddenly Rel.
< 1325550265 54710 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I still hope we do.
< 1325550286 745357 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: /r/.....vortexmath..............
< 1325550300 964891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1325550302 86897 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1325550313 105042 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's TEDx-approved, man.
< 1325550337 785665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall slightly reduce ambiguity in the room by simply stating the common Internet heuristic of "forall x. male(x)" applies to pikhq in both gender identity and chromosome set. :P
< 1325550341 289159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VortexSpace.org College of Vortex Mathematics
< 1325550346 578535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: presumably.  the yoneda lemma is one important theorem that comes to mind (and which i don't remember exactly.)
< 1325550361 460297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo neda
< 1325550363 876519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma
< 1325550365 343321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1325550376 496789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo nedalemma
< 1325550380 604858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yoneda remma
< 1325550382 69231 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Chromosomes aren't necessarily an indicator of biological sex, though.
< 1325550397 806873 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (But nothing is, since it's in large part a cultural concept rather than one that has a precise biological definition...)
< 1325550411 47058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Bah. My biological sex is also male. There. Happy?
< 1325550428 198219 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, of course not, nothing makes you happy. :P)
< 1325550435 485070 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an endless pool of sadness.
< 1325550446 445416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoneda lemma in ignorant-american-pronunciation kind of sounds like a really slurred way of "yo, need a lemma?"
< 1325550458 68970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+saying
< 1325550461 443320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just pool of sadness. Also unobtainable desires.
< 1325550501 979078 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Very true.
< 1325550561 619408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah but have you actually _done_ a cromosome test? >:)
< 1325550570 451751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+h
< 1325550574 20175 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, actually.
< 1325550584 760161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can only infer that with high probability.
< 1325550603 72235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unscientific.
< 1325550617 801699 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on par with the rigour of #esoteric
< 1325550621 878999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful, really.
< 1325550637 895392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, i have verified scientifically that i am a bacterium.
< 1325550638 56583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smokes his pipe and sits in his esoteric armchair.
< 1325550654 827919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Science also only infers things with (unreasonably) high probability.  :)
< 1325550663 422164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either that, or the test tube was contaminated, but how likely is _that_
< 1325550733 884242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think defenestrate is one of my favorite words.
< 1325550772 731597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a) it sounds good b) it has at least three possible meanings c) one of which is a verb meaning "to remove Windows from a computer"
< 1325550782 203201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which
< 1325550786 244200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with the other two meanings
< 1325550800 681927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes the word even more awesome than simply the sum of its possible meanings.
< 1325550806 430531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a PRODUCT of its meanings.
< 1325550899 793709 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you want from a next generation log formatting system. gimme your best
< 1325550930 691800 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the product of the ^^^3 of its possible meanings. :P
< 1325551063 7873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: every output format you could possibly think of including various serialization formats, typesetting systems, markup languages, word processor formats, pdf. it should also have a special tagged format which it can use to generate output formats
< 1325551081 670782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example you could make an output of only a subset of tags (for IRC this would be things like privmsg, join, part, etc)
< 1325551092 584619 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here use xchat?
< 1325551096 470238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a utility to convert raw text to the tagged format via regex filters.
< 1325551115 33936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use AWK to do some of these things isn't it?
< 1325551154 241584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: total information recall, line wrapping and free money.
< 1325551155 409171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but not as easily I would think.
< 1325551181 863463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wild sex parties.
< 1325551255 835677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: oh, and maybe it should understand the color codes.
< 1325551261 682014 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour codes, check
< 1325551270 45524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: the house format could also contain a header specifying default formatting options when none are provided for the output formatter.
< 1325551280 740518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: no this should be general to any kind of log, not just IRC.
< 1325551285 780996 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would like to build in auto-linking functionality; how would you suggest I do this? I was thinking of not formatting links specially at all until you mouse over them, to avoid annoying highlights of non-links
< 1325551292 522484 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since URLs are rather easy to spot visually in the first place :P
< 1325551309 578420 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i will take your requests into... consideration
< 1325551310 568656 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: I do.
< 1325551334 167902 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have nick coloring on?
< 1325551339 389234 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's annoying :)
< 1325551371 824816 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then what I was going to say is irrelevant
< 1325551380 725302 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have time-sorted tabcomplete on?
< 1325551390 323667 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was it you I mentioned it to the other day?)
< 1325551431 220366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: strangely I don't believe you.
< 1325551490 862840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least TeX, XML, HTML, and maybe PDF would be good.
< 1325551495 617120 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: Yes, I do, and yes, it was; I've used it forever, I just reinstalled my OS recently.
< 1325551510 17250 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1325551543 389286 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well tell you my random fact about nick coloring anyway - apparently it works by summing the character values in the nick and then modulo-ing them by the count of available colors
< 1325551551 822012 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's...
< 1325551553 723349 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by any real hashing function at all
< 1325551557 145764 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupidest algorithm i can think of
< 1325551571 523983 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's why people complain about collisions so much
< 1325551579 377978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for A TRULY FLEXIBLE LOG FORMATTER you want to have a special format for representing logs that can be easily converted to from raw text, and a simple style specification to allow styling of different tags regardless of output format.
< 1325551586 897319 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THX FOR FEEDBACK
< 1325551591 814560 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: We already have a simple raw log format.
< 1325551600 449551 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-01-03-raw.txt
< 1325551620 674410 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's kinda funny because I've kinda assigned my own mild stereotypes to different nick colors
< 1325551625 419838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you have SIRCL format? And possibly CSV format?
< 1325551634 591103 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out, there actually might be some real relationships between them
< 1325551646 218702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs JSON and YAML as well. :P
< 1325551653 576453 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay json/yaml
< 1325551685 342544 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh JSON ew YAML
< 1325551700 590642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes. And for TeX, you need to have both Plain TeX and LaTeX. But possibly, just have one format which it can read in and then a macro file can format it. I have done things like this; for example, you can make a macro to read a tab separated file, and so on
< 1325551713 887843 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generic data formats are vastly overrated anyway, since all the common ones are not nearly rich enough to describe all data without additional parsing logic that will approach the complexity of just writing your own format.
< 1325551751 522324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed SIRCL format for IRC logs probably just use that and then convert into others using AWK or Perl
< 1325551769 515960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1325551819 252391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: XML comes close I guess.
< 1325551845 506039 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: To describing all data? No way.
< 1325551899 990916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... can it do referential structures?
< 1325551919 324262 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use, something such as, Haskell Data Notation?
< 1325551930 294664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does your definition of "all data" include things like an infinite sequence of fibonacci numbers.
< 1325551937 648406 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: To be exact, I was not saying you cannot represent data in those formats.
< 1325551944 939648 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: of course.
< 1325551947 316155 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that doing so requirse a separate parsing/serialisation step to fit the restrictions of those formats.
< 1325551954 53982 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which approaches the complexity of just writing your own format in the first place.
< 1325551955 322139 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requires
< 1325551992 161454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Haskell data structure notation would not be very good for describing structures with references.
< 1325551997 435257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you
< 1325552003 336930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :included the = operator as well
< 1325552009 440224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't unreasonable
< 1325552022 914009 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need let...in to describe sharing.
< 1325552096 31210 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.vu.nl/~x/ this guy has the coolest name
< 1325552096 507800 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1325552097 205090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue with such a format is that it isn't quite as convenient as JSON for many languages.
< 1325552106 137991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar problems to what XML has I guess.
< 1325552119 646596 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with JSON you can basically just convert it directly to some native data structure.
< 1325552129 518515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any language.
< 1325552150 769093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's tagged unions and such are not quite so convenient in.. say.. Perl.
< 1325552199 241075 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON's unstructured soup isn't convenient in... say... Haskell.
< 1325552216 834494 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least a stupidifying step is more palatable than an enrichening one.
< 1325552411 853824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1325552439 494562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say handling JSON data and handling a Haskell-like format would be equally difficult in Haskell.
< 1325552453 494844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say not difficult at all.
< 1325552461 153290 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reads
< 1325552462 104985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Read a) => String -> [(a, String)]
< 1325552462 897061 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1325552480 138879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make up some format and parse it using Parsec, it works well
< 1325552483 226863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I forgot about Read, but then you need the type information as well.
< 1325552519 867389 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes... you need to know the structure of some data to consume it.
< 1325552531 86223 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would not use this proposed Haskell format anyway.
< 1325552543 440898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: at compile time, to read it like that. yes.
< 1325552552 958026 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of bothering with the actual universe, let us create our own imaginary universe in which there are only three classes of animals: birds, cats, and dogs."
< 1325552618 409598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Haskell's data structures are basically just tagged unions and structs...
< 1325552625 59080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two kinds of animals.
< 1325552750 648829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the types make a huge difference at compile-time, but unless you want to have existing type libraries for every kind of data you read, you're probably going to want the data type information to be stored in the format itself and interpreted at runtime.
< 1325552764 968664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that you basically just have tagged unions, structs, and let bindings.
< 1325552797 24172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with syntax sugar for strings and lists, and integer and character primitives)
< 1325553562 178327 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325553602 985047 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has this channel really only existed since november 06?
< 1325553733 678629 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325553736 492353 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 2002
< 1325553756 738101 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's systems get replaced more often than this channel stops existing :)
< 1325554022 665583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have suggestion to have substitute player for Dungeons & Dragons game in case some of the players are not available?
< 1325554051 684871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: DMPC is ever a classic.
< 1325554065 80948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He said he doesn't want to do that?
< 1325554113 843932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Figure out a way to write certain players out of the story, for sure...
< 1325554124 440208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; of course I thought of that already.
< 1325554153 593476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few options from there: deal with missing members, find people to come in and play a game or two (and roll new characters), have some of your players play multiple characters...
< 1325554173 176696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of the players
< 1325554179 390066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last option may be sanity-straining, of course.
< 1325554191 658725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is one other player only, who is unavailable
< 1325554196 82882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, nevertheless, talking in a more general sense. :)
< 1325554201 93243 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1325554226 38390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only two players, only two player characters.
< 1325554266 824891 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solo d&d?
< 1325554301 613267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: The DM said he doesn't like that; I did suggest that, as well as having the DM have their own player character too, and this stuff.
< 1325554326 738377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised at having so few PCs.
< 1325554335 989133 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "standard" D&D party is, like, 4...
< 1325554365 472627 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've not really heard of fewer people in a party.
< 1325554367 129771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; but we play the game strangely
< 1325554388 870892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are varying number of NPCs in the party sometimes
< 1325554402 1453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you could play the game genuinely strangely is to play it by a strict reading of the rules. :P
< 1325554412 214353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other strange things about the party too; read the recording file for information!
< 1325554436 637854 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1325554566 479763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently we have two human NPCs which are navy marines
< 1325554620 309718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you have ideas about it by reading this?
< 1325554629 817070 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps; lemme take a look.
< 1325554685 235427 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what macro set are you using to generate that? Something you wrote yourself?
< 1325554707 824311 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a macro set I wrote myself:   view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/dungeonsrecording.tex
< 1325554721 839183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat.
< 1325554896 894998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, doesn't appear to work with pdftex.
< 1325554907 557040 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works just fine with tex, though.
< 1325555119 671751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; just use TeX it is not intended to work with pdfTeX.
< 1325555142 535050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't care whether or not it will work with pdfTeX
< 1325555170 938383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know why, but it doesn't matter
< 1325555250 798047 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect pdfTeX has a few macros in place beyond what TeX offers that collide.
< 1325555261 98866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly.
< 1325555327 843047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note this document uses a command to request input from the terminal; I don't know if pdfTeX has problems with that somehow
< 1325555364 640502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \askprintinglevel asks you how much you want to be printed, 1 is the shortest printout and 6 is the longest printout.
< 1325555386 791575 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* much worked just fine.
< 1325555438 250413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't matter; you can still get DVI output, and if you want PDF you can use an external program to convert DVI to PDF.
< 1325555476 527826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1325555518 726020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ever play D&D 3.5 edition, you can use this same macro file if you want to record them in the computer.
< 1325555602 860833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the game, we have never actually decided the actual number of Also's sausages even though we should have done; so I just made up some numbers
< 1325556296 85150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are either of these two files good to you?
< 1325556490 560219 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite impressed with the macros.
< 1325557368 544681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325557584 297501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1325557602 81779 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an AI could be made to play D&D, though it'd likely end up a mix of blind stat crunching and often inhoherent text generation.
< 1325557657 491302 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: the set of video games with D&D as their game rules.
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< 1325557708 848153 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well those have computer controlled monsters/NPCs, that's not really the same as AI pseudo-players.
< 1325557732 844552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still aren't perfectly D&D regardless of their rules
< 1325557747 922054 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They're reasonable approximations, IME.
< 1325557773 346449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only major divergence is the switch from rounds to real-time action.
< 1325557790 986375 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A D&D video game would be a neat use of the AI director from Left4Dead.
< 1325557836 685928 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all it knows how to do is swarm you with zombies.
< 1325557853 872965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are entirely different than a proper role playing game. The closest computer games to a proper role playing game would be a text adventure game, although even that is not close.
< 1325557989 935660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was discussing the mechanical aspects alone, of course.
< 1325558003 233965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The play experience is certainly *dramatically* different.
< 1325558012 859037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you want for that is not AI players but an AI DM. :P
< 1325558081 972176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechanical aspects can be made very close but even then, with the various possible exceptions, although you could still make a card game or computer game out of them without the exceptions, it might still make a workable game.
< 1325558229 436816 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBd9c1gAqWs
< 1325558229 753439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1325559240 94967 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: pro cloak
< 1325559297 291515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a pro client
< 1325559650 838744 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you can identify with server passwords on freenode :P
< 1325559663 38805 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<password> :<account name>
< 1325559667 444120 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh without the <>s
< 1325559857 154344 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pro client takes care of that flawlessly
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< 1325560443 31808 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet:
< 1325560444 481162 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Jafet (~Jafet@149.171.48.81) has joined #esoteric
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< 1325560452 558696 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: For sufficiently wrong definitions of flawlessly
< 1325560498 472733 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm some spambot changed the front page of the wiki probably 
< 1325560530 609972 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: reverted
< 1325560539 281922 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1325560589 34038 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks too, I was poking for a link about how to write a page and look at some existing ones
< 1325560760 552762 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1325560777 981070 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about adding anything too rough formatting-wise, it'll get cleaned up in a day or two
< 1325560814 47730 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: The last minor release of this client left parted usernames in the user list
< 1325560846 899207 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Why the fuck are you using Pidgin
< 1325560847 891158 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'm making a page about my language(s)
< 1325560889 690752 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you seem upset that I use it?
< 1325560933 684651 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: No, just amazed
< 1325560942 271203 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a single person who can stand Pidgin's IRC support :P
< 1325561056 864797 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care enough to change it
< 1325561256 81358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they have The Mod Archive - Lite.
< 1325561670 213210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sanity checking: given a value in m^2 and a conversion factor in USD/m, there is no way to get a meaningful value in USD, right?
< 1325561754 356607 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it okay if I copy things I wrote about the language from my webpage or do I have to rephrase it? Do I have to put some "public domain" disclaimer on my webpage if I'm going to just copy it?
< 1325561775 488928 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Just be aware that the version on the wiki is public domain.
< 1325561793 69852 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't mind that
< 1325561800 274087 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're good.
< 1325561827 298447 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: I read the copyright section of the USC a few years back.)
< 1325561853 143657 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that public domain doesn't apply to the language itself? As in, the documentation on my site, binaries, sources and such (besides examples that I post on the wiki)?
< 1325561863 249069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only applies to the text on the wiki.
< 1325561876 214720 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool :3 thanks
< 1325561896 667542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We genuinely don't care about the license on anything else, except to note that it's *courteous* to place your code under a FOSS license of some sort.
< 1325561942 833708 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The examples of the language you mean? 
< 1325561949 592957 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325561952 483147 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean your implementation.
< 1325561965 911908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's placed on the wiki must be public domain (as a matter of policy).
< 1325562016 53077 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... Hmm, I never really thought about licenses. I haven't released the sourcecode yet, only Windows and Linux binaries, though I'll put the code there later too 
< 1325562137 546327 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1325562355 860348 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, FWIW, the FOSS license being courteous thing is not specific to #esoteric, that's a community norm pretty much everywhere outside of corporations.
< 1325562416 395641 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and windows users :P
< 1325562435 76069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Saying "community" automatically excludes them. :P
< 1325562454 949548 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm a Windows user x3 
< 1325562464 96334 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Linux too though.
< 1325562501 315634 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, now you're all going to hate me *hides under a rock* 
< 1325562525 604131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pity" is the correct term.
< 1325562535 582160 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows users. I've heard of those!
< 1325562546 711822 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about them in a book.
< 1325562547 699786 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks from under the rock
< 1325562558 66880 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The rock represents capitalism.)
< 1325562561 156039 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we're rare, like a fairy! 
< 1325562589 844424 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff, money. 
< 1325562622 135837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my schemes for economic distribution to be more handwavey!
< 1325562632 505844 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, fiat money is not handwavey enough!)
< 1325562639 470622 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But but but I thought about you and I made Linux binaries as well! *puppy eyes* 
< 1325562682 23878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you made (presumably) x86 glibc on Linux binaries.
< 1325562701 388278 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuuu
< 1325562710 496689 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses standard C++ 
< 1325562717 728366 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "binaries"
< 1325562725 761497 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an architecture-independent libc-independent linux binary i'll eat my hat :P
< 1325562726 394428 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't me being all GNU/X/Gnome/Linux-y, just being pedantic about specifying the ABI)
< 1325562746 380135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1325562757 370321 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the standard C++ code can be compiled into whatever you want x3
< 1325562762 267745 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had it.
< 1325562764 393061 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we don't.
< 1325562766 775159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus the problem.
< 1325562766 931554 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a donut. That you can eat instead of a hat. 
< 1325562785 754391 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will have it :3
< 1325562801 218663 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he did say he was releasing the sources
< 1325562808 207733 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I figure out these licenses though x3
< 1325562834 846773 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically why I haven't released it yet, I was sort of avoiding it
< 1325562880 228805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD or GPL (there's more choices, but why consider others? The BSD-alikes are effectively identical, the GPL-alikes have significant disadvantages from being nowhere near as popular as GPL)
< 1325562932 57277 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he GPL one, though are there more versions? Also, do I have to put it in all source code files?
< 1325562944 554606 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is probably a better choice (<-- NOT BIASED)
< 1325562951 557956 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to put it in a file you include with the sources.
< 1325562961 673364 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's called LICENSE (although COPYING is the standard name for the GPL).
< 1325562985 145601 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pfft, real programmers tri-license their code Mozilla Public License/Artistic License 1.0/CC by-sa-nc
< 1325562986 885599 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, I was afraid I have to put this GPL comment blob of text I see in some sources *giggles* 
< 1325562987 41888 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, BSD is perhaps the simplest, and certainly with the best understood consequences.
< 1325562988 827739 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nd
< 1325563005 593044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it in public domain if you don't care about licenses.
< 1325563009 598134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: The GPL comment blob is nothing but a courtesy, and one that few people *care* about.
< 1325563023 277370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In many jurisdictions that's impossible.
< 1325563032 197644 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Assuming public domain is valid in your country and the countries of those who wish to use your software...
< 1325563033 346504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why you have WTFPL
< 1325563052 188200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's ambiguous in the US, but only slightly.
< 1325563074 296990 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks, I'll look into it, don't worry, I don't intend to have it closed source, I like the idea if someone actually might be interested into doing something with it x3
< 1325563075 247833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's either really public domain or licensed under terms precisely identical to what you can do with it under the public domain, near as I can tell)
< 1325563100 892562 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has yet to contradict my SUPERB licensing advice which nobody should follow.
< 1325563116 277987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Jesus that is the worst combination of licenses doable.
< 1325563123 816319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, CC by-sa-nc? The *fuck*?
< 1325563128 298542 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: <engree> -nd
< 1325563137 726911 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically just CC by-nc-nd, though, no sa :P
< 1325563164 293942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only makes it worse.
< 1325563188 331802 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I forget, is normal multi-licensing union or intersection?
< 1325563189 129235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use GPL or public domain. But use BSD if you prefer
< 1325563190 593256 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired.
< 1325563216 222998 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I used Qt for the GUI though 
< 1325563222 315486 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it.
< 1325563245 939850 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Qt is LGPL these days, so you're fine licensing your program with anything
< 1325563269 296352 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's cool then :3 
< 1325563274 935250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just license your program also under LGPL like Qt is, then, if you want
< 1325563279 803107 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License#License_terms if you don't really care, for what it's worth; it's the simplest of the BSD-derivatives and widely used.
< 1325563291 866146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use MIT license too, yes that work also
< 1325563294 481315 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though GUI isn't really necessary, the emulation core works by itself 
< 1325563309 104843 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nicer than BSD3 because it doesn't have a bulleted list. :p
< 1325563315 638872 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Normally it's select a set, actually.
< 1325563317 582223 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, that list is actually numbered.
< 1325563317 738258 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it doesn't depend on the Qt libraries at all
< 1325563328 317943 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, well, xor licensing is the new thing.
< 1325563330 413419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to comply with at least one license in its entirety, which license that is is up to you.
< 1325563348 468417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: If you want, you could either move the GUI into a separate source file, or allow someone else to make those changes if someone else want to do so
< 1325563382 544256 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is separate, I just #include it in the Qt project
< 1325563398 195352 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the headers and the static library 
< 1325563421 237983 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the GUI is basically a seperate program.
< 1325563429 324085 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325563436 107120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still you're fine licensing your program with anything.
< 1325563447 35958 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give the GUI away for free and sell the emulation core for $5,000/seat.
< 1325563453 807974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325563456 224563 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only logical
< 1325563458 203431 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :|3
< 1325563496 271753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should make the emulation core open sourced and the Linux GUI also open sourced, but sell the Windows GUI for $100 each
< 1325563508 530570 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would. :P
< 1325563536 9275 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sell the roasted assembler-cores $500/bucket :D
< 1325563599 512837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crunch crunch crunch* mmmmm... tasty *crunOUCH* A syntax error! 
< 1325563684 508155 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like zlib just because it has a cooler looking name.
< 1325563978 342286 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the GUI code is horrible, because it was my first Qt app x3 And I didn't have enough time to learn it first on examples, so I was learning a lot when working on it. 
< 1325564362 332228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just license it entirely under the LGPL
< 1325564368 368695 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't.
< 1325564374 563196 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325564388 173553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BSD, MIT, GPL, WTFPL, public domain
< 1325564397 754543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't use Creative Commons licenses for software
< 1325564419 613958 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1325565858 896114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their FAQ even says the same thing. Also, they are incompatible with software licenses. You should use a proper software license to ensure compatibility.
< 1325565881 561101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra resources of software, such as graphics, sounds, and so on, can be licensed using Creative Commons.
< 1325565882 826787 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I knew it was you.
< 1325566019 783597 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally find it easy to pick up on elliott's various nicks. He's just very identifiable.
< 1325566042 635095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easy to simply see "!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott" you can know just from that
< 1325566066 356924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend not to see that.
< 1325566120 835832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a most common IRC clients hide that
< 1325566136 23806 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't hide it, I just don't see him join.
< 1325566167 854624 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that I just came to my IRC client and switched to #esoteric.
< 1325566175 961270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1325566241 227632 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine shows it with every message
< 1325566264 577732 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, yours is a UI for the IRC bytestream.
< 1325566273 335740 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325566281 191913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And syntax highlighting and a few other things
< 1325566513 591141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way in Haskell to check existence of a file?
< 1325566564 693803 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Don't, just try and use it and catch the error.
< 1325566580 513484 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8502201/remove-file-if-it-exists-in-haskell goes into some detail about that and why.)
< 1325566754 370409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to implement to find file in search path specified by environment variables.
< 1325566760 435185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way of that?
< 1325566792 314890 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Iterate through each path you think it might be in; try and open it for each of them, and catch the exception for it not existing and continue.
< 1325566829 190756 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Writing openFileIfItExists :: FilePath -> SomethingMode (I always forget the name) -> IO (Maybe Handle) will get isolate the exception-handling boilerplate.
< 1325566919 600932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use the <|> for IO and fold using <|> maybe
< 1325566983 390791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it is one way.
< 1325566995 553933 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1325567030 423555 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's probably a bad idea; you only want to catch does-not-exist exceptions, not anything else that might go wrong.
< 1325567043 692343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1325567732 179965 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP
< 1325567941 947774 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/Iosethos i don't understand........
< 1325567972 168385 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, redditor for six hours.
< 1325567983 198333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the losethos guy
< 1325567991 558994 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1325567995 576438 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/o0bkh/iama_ratt_tshirt/
< 1325568011 513454 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/RmFpI.jpg <-- one of his submissions, wtf (don't click that)
< 1325568029 21584 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I went to the hardware store and asked that it was the “urgent” number. I called her when got by yesterday and today I got home today, I hoped it was a song by Falco is a rare medical condition."
< 1325568033 295755 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a song by falco is a rare medical condition
< 1325568049 465347 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit look at the speed he's posting
< 1325568068 284709 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously the text is machine-generated
< 1325568070 701292 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325568085 534971 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://soundcloud.com/footnotegal/sets/the-first-transaction-was/
< 1325568087 434153 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ what
< 1325568100 920569 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he submitted this to... /r/mylittlepony... wtf losethos guy, wtf
< 1325568160 186174 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1325568162 5697 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/o0bkh/iama_ratt_tshirt/c3de006 oh good someone else recognises him
< 1325568182 27555 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/losethos
< 1325568183 530523 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's gone
< 1325568187 15046 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that
< 1325568193 837320 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1325568195 565105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/Iosethos with an I
< 1325568203 249851 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325568208 863806 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that was a bit too perfect
< 1325568291 256918 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/o0p7d/to_still_be_soaked_with_detergent/ ah, the halcyon days of youth, when we were soaked with detergent
< 1325568340 482492 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how do I make a thumbnail though? I can't seem to figure it out >.< I tried looking up syntax, but nothing seems to work
< 1325568359 905099 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: thumbnail for what?
< 1325568367 705669 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an image, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images might help
< 1325568394 926247 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[blah|thumb|caption]] basically
< 1325568398 289928 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can omit the |caption
< 1325568407 733393 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blah is Image:blah
< 1325568448 124007 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was looking at that... oh no wait... that's something a bit different, the one I saw had syntax "thumb="
< 1325568452 874315 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks
< 1325568692 386315 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more Deadfish interpreters in esolangs. monqy: You get on that.
< 1325568794 478133 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Hey, didn't you say your interpreter was in C++? I can write C++ too: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates :D
< 1325568847 671436 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuuuu x3
< 1325568867 685933 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any decent esolangs left
< 1325568870 401508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undeadfished
< 1325568879 297542 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not interpreter though
< 1325568902 842257 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Underload, although admittedly it lacks input
< 1325568906 682509 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL
< 1325568927 100883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I don't know intercalle
< 1325568931 460385 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an assembler/compiler that makes a machine code for the processor architecture. That can be either fed to the VHDL implementation (not available/finished yet) or ran in the emulator (virtual machine sort of ) 
< 1325568983 210636 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: ah, you program in both C++ and VHDL... which circle of hell did you learn programming in?
< 1325569029 434788 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly self educated. I poke around for some books and such and play with it. 
< 1325569040 139935 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, that I should rather work with Verilog? x3
< 1325569056 5429 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the C++ part
< 1325569085 611298 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, they're just two unbearable languages of torture and pain :P
< 1325569091 449241 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, VHDL moreso.
< 1325569121 128548 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the esolang enthusiast? :D
< 1325569169 795743 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we don't claim they're usable :)
< 1325569177 815281 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D 
< 1325569227 236385 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then... this calls for... HELLO WORLD in attoassembly x3 http://data.solirax.org/attowpu/helloworld.att
< 1325569247 261406 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, someone added a language to the list and didn't mess up the alphabetic order.
< 1325569252 562405 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has to be some kind of record.
< 1325569264 214756 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't me Oo
< 1325569272 918075 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Reminds me of Redcode, though probably not for any decent reason.
< 1325569308 307913 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my implementation of Pong in AttoASM :D http://data.solirax.org/attowpu/Pong.att
< 1325569332 890132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work
< 1325569365 759628 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken pong
< 1325569372 55994 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works
< 1325569406 21390 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I publish something that doesn't work? 
< 1325569426 450890 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325569436 158791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask the people who publish things that don't work
< 1325569454 996843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask all of them
< 1325569467 743707 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I might need a people-who-publish-things-that-don't-work detector though 
< 1325569595 95723 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't really have nice video of it (you can try it yourself later though), but there's at least something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mqTjj_7e51s#t=236s
< 1325569612 261118 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i do good thing or stupid thing
< 1325569617 609020 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from an high-school expo where I presented it, earli... oh it's 2012... earlier last year 
< 1325569622 597186 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good stupid thing
< 1325569636 839448 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: looks like pnog to me!!
< 1325569638 622108 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pnog. oops
< 1325569649 787136 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pong is running there in the simulator
< 1325570000 272248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325570303 860291 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An affect can effect an effect that affects."
< 1325570627 822676 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1325570994 229263 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq how long can human beings stay awake, what does science say
< 1325571022 757428 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 days
< 1325571035 204464 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the record I think
< 1325571064 885284 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there may be hope for me
< 1325571066 942185 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1325571307 21481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you actually *want* is the the time before you start hallucinating, though.
< 1325571323 36541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hallucinations are fun
< 1325571415 796080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the surreal feeling, involuntary movements
< 1325571503 323491 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's that then
< 1325571524 421077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, ~72 hours.
< 1325571583 530366 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: actually not that long
< 1325571593 283522 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hit microsleeps pretty quickly comparatively
< 1325571614 360140 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, don't microsleeps start from ~24 hours?
< 1325571641 826544 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325571667 191482 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not universally i'm sure
< 1325571670 214475 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1325571675 457304 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the point is that you don't notice them
< 1325571687 163237 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've functioned normally and very sharply at 40 hours
< 1325571726 966688 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to notice them, but only from noticing "WTF a few seconds slipped".
< 1325571752 643873 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: how much drugs?
< 1325571782 957700 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use drugs; usually I max out around 30 hours
< 1325571787 152333 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: every drug, man. (no drugs)
< 1325571788 734521 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's on a good day
< 1325571790 789701 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 40 hour thing was just once
< 1325571793 248973 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I include caffeine
< 1325571803 896912 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i drink soda
< 1325571810 465663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325571816 670432 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pretty sure the effects are negligble on me nowadays
< 1325571821 500220 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't drink any more when sleep-deprived
< 1325571838 858420 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: consider that a common schedule for me is sleeping approx. every 26-30 hours
< 1325571844 404663 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh
< 1325571851 887846 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm just lucky!
< 1325571865 333314 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm not
< 1325571867 927979 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every 30 hours but like
< 1325571871 206878 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 26-30 hours of wakeness
< 1325571947 917313 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: are you peter barfuss?
< 1325571966 927365 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure; probably not
< 1325571970 498711 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok
< 1325571978 911470 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on who peter barfuss is
< 1325571980 96327 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he me?
< 1325572015 87576 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :peter barfuss is an undergrad at my school known for, among other things, massive sleep deprivation. At his worst, I believe he had a week where you could count the number of hours of sleep on one hand
< 1325572044 602459 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, but i don't do the napping thing, with me sleep deprivation is followed by sleeping 14 hours+
< 1325572047 234646 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually 16 hours
< 1325572069 578985 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure my natural melatonin levels are abnormally low for some reason
< 1325572093 96076 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've hit 18 hours of sleep after massive deprivation
< 1325572130 11502 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i've done 20
< 1325572132 228200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure holy fuck I feel bad
< 1325572135 674145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7:30 and still pitch black outside
< 1325572135 674353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325572138 547269 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat
< 1325572143 434883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325572143 590765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree said 3h 51m 53s ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBd9c1gAqWs
< 1325572147 537027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Swedish winters
< 1325572148 686933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I'm sick and complaining about it.
< 1325572158 509782 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude... that can happen in the UK too :P
< 1325572166 988485 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as I'm already sleep-deprived and now can't sleep well
< 1325572182 326728 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Me too! Well, the sleep-deprived part. But it's only 6:30, so there's a chance I'll hop to bed.
< 1325572185 102482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, well sure, but it will be the same 10:00 too
< 1325572205 652582 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sleeping would be an excellent opportunity to realign both my sleep schedule and my dwindling Stack Overflow reputation spree, though!
< 1325572235 540150 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bonus fun sleep fact: the only way i can rebound into a decent schedule is by waking up at inconvenient times twice in a row
< 1325572243 468483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Impressive. But a pretty basic scene. I wonder if it would make use of SSE and so on to speed up computations. I saw a ray tracer in C written to use SSE to compute multiple line intersections at once
< 1325572243 626331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325572267 947787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: engree == elliott
< 1325572271 367670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325572276 682501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because
< 1325572279 586225 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree actually sent that message
< 1325572283 227762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1325572284 654024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as elliott somehow
< 1325572285 604016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1325572301 227176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is because I know we talked about the topic before
< 1325572320 717608 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wake up at 16:00 -> sleep at next 16:00 -> wake up at midnight -> sleep at 18:00-20:00 -> wake up at 04:00 -> sleep at midnight -> wake up at reasonable hour
< 1325572325 379643 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :patented(tm)
< 1325572332 516022 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, repa does automatic parallelisation
< 1325572338 494798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, that one never worked for me
< 1325572340 603415 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think GHC does SSE though
< 1325572345 623645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the wakeup at midnight phase now
< 1325572350 412343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm stuck there
< 1325572371 367678 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the code is actually really readable: http://code.ouroborus.net/gloss/gloss-head/gloss-examples/Ray/
< 1325572380 549770 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Better than the wakeup at noon phase, I guess?
< 1325572385 492727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, more readable than C with SSE? Of course
< 1325572394 5047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is standard.
< 1325572396 770779 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but it's even pretty idiomatic
< 1325572400 946366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I usually wake up after noon :P
< 1325572403 902884 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: god no waking up at noon is amazingly perfect
< 1325572408 773501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could wake up at noon every day i'd be so happy
< 1325572413 393362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Yes, *I* think so.
< 1325572424 219713 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a few billion people seem to disagree.
< 1325572436 730155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, adding SSE gives you an edge. I saw basically that + some CSG + antialias in real time being done
< 1325572445 418916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the haskell code could scale up to that
< 1325572458 901042 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Being editable by a non-madman counts for more.
< 1325572459 851958 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no real obstacle to GHC donig SSE.
< 1325572461 198227 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doing
< 1325572464 584572 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just hasn't been implemented yet.
< 1325572476 518552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, certainly. But I always had a soft spot for the crazy demoscene :P
< 1325572481 224200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325572502 929039 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And the code could possibly benefit from it without being changed. It doesn't contain a single mention of parallelism, after all, and it still scales to the quad-core machine it was run on.
< 1325572512 541989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325572523 851131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, I believe the code I was referring to used OpenMP + SSE
< 1325572554 329098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, openmp is actually quite easy to use. Still it does mention parallelism indeed.
< 1325572687 265192 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I saw someone working on getting the automatic vectorisation to work with OpenMP...
< 1325572694 185128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just be misremembering, though.
< 1325572719 305430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, I don't think it was used in the code in question though
< 1325572728 909861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1325572734 75658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in principle it could be.
< 1325572744 20070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325572750 720105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like in principle you could execute a C program on the Deathstation 9000.
< 1325572756 178827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325572767 885152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually the program in question was portable between gcc and msvc
< 1325572775 155819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive if you use intrinsics
< 1325572830 101244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try out the current technic pack for minecraft
< 1325572838 734786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing mod pack back during 1.7.3 at least
< 1325572844 753753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't really used it since then
< 1325573241 960911 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:47 :(
< 1325573605 47692 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325573812 217654 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi, should i sleep,
< 1325573818 235363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a
< 1325573857 235326 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1325573921 228623 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does, a mean,
< 1325573926 991205 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a
< 1325574008 613583 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1325574012 974273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:L
< 1325574026 95240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you,
< 1325574027 666131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired
< 1325574042 877882 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325574052 168851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider sleep
< 1325574074 43805 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1325574089 168364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait until the tired becomes painful
< 1325574100 782434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or until you run out of things to do that are not sleep
< 1325574115 169275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or until you slip unconscious
< 1325574277 27025 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy
< 1325574285 951217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engrey
< 1325574287 605029 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the cut of your jib, let me give you an offer u cant refuse (i will kill you if you refuse)
< 1325574292 559325 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill go to bed
< 1325574293 375774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no,,
< 1325574301 172716 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make sure i get the SO rep I need by the time i wake up
< 1325574308 740749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1325574309 122158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1325574311 75842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhow
< 1325574313 611981 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats for me to know
< 1325574314 879775 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you to find out
< 1325574322 874300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1325574598 169133 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you found out yet
< 1325574612 1756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325574744 503454 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hury, up?
< 1325574751 624656 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1325574752 135202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant
< 1325574752 725732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1325574840 390491 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok gon1dight
< 1325574841 776697 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondight
< 1325574844 708048 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondight monquay
< 1325574846 952179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1325574851 190839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondighte
< 1325574859 845509 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye -engrey
< 1325574867 210724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- mqony
< 1325574889 259714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans.Error defines MonadPlus IO but not Alternative IO and anyways their instance is wrong
< 1325574912 45008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should allow override instances!
< 1325574930 824530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some ideas in my user space in Haskell Wiki
< 1325575060 614257 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree
< 1325575096 486295 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ;
< 1325575101 602461 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the Haskell wiki needs is more notation.
< 1325575146 340408 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1325575167 26425 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/User:Zzo38/Proposal_for_instance_disambiguation
< 1325575192 14209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes that one is the one I meant
< 1325575645 559812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the key mapping in minecraft gets annoying when you have tens of mods
< 1325575661 469039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is of course not a single interface to configure them all
< 1325575680 222093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when they finally add that modding API...
< 1325575690 431171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doubt that will ever happen
< 1325575713 818641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, besides there are key bindings in the settings menu I can't access because they go under the "done" button
< 1325575722 761028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombe do it by config file
< 1325575740 337346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rei's minimap does it using it's own config dialogue
< 1325575741 868024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1325575808 447456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, currently I'm trying to get technic pack + several freestanding mods to play nicely
< 1325575815 654765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works apart from conflicting keys atm
< 1325575853 318168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./testlm-disk.pl ../twungot/tokens.bin.irc ../twungot/model.bin.irc 3 programmers do it with
< 1325575853 474528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with objects. is that a cartesian product function that i want to
< 1325575853 630926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with lookahead and the whitespace cset. but please, be patient: i have some
< 1325575853 631132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with exceptions as a control and assume that the answer to your question is "is it because you think you _need_ unwind-protect?"
< 1325575866 537804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cset?
< 1325575901 320788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I found a better version of TMI, called NMI
< 1325575903 782041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps short for "set of characters".
< 1325575907 536890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever used TMI
< 1325575922 75172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-maskable interrupts are a better version of too much information? 
< 1325575923 84777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest switching to NMI, especially if you have lots of mods
< 1325575949 443278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, too many items also typoed NEI as NMI
< 1325575955 26922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is not enough items
< 1325575960 474525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the in game inventory editor
< 1325575964 156595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when testing things
< 1325575985 861819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEI supports searching rather than having like 40 pages due to mods
< 1325575990 87362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1325576005 500638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MonadPlus IO in Control.Monad.Trans.Error is the wrong one!!!!!!!
< 1325576005 817937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use it to look up recipes as well
< 1325576024 571946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by turning off cheating mode
< 1325576109 984145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure if you play with many mods though, apart from optifine I presume
< 1325576164 661415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I tried out a few bits from that zombe thing.
< 1325576171 584294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325576210 989723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really done any Minecrafting since about September, anyway.
< 1325576254 417194 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens quite frequently that I'll go to bed after staying up all night
< 1325576258 141141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then... wake up 4 hours later.
< 1325576258 934596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I use techic pack (IC², Buildcraft, Redpower + a lot more smaller mods), NEI, zombe's flying and sun control, worldedit CUI, single player commands (for worldedit support in single player) and of course optifine
< 1325576267 295732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually looks like optifine is part of technic nowdays
< 1325576301 162768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :redpower especially adds a /lot/ of blocks
< 1325576307 933547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to combinatorial explosion
< 1325576359 447237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can make panels, halfblocks and what not out of most vanilla blocks
< 1325576529 875991 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there may have been an update I forgot to notify you about
< 1325576763 46306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325576891 642877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch ouch ouch, minecraft coloured lights are done using multitexturing. This is so wrong.
< 1325576904 90299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325576908 956601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in torchlight vs. sunlight
< 1325577058 676862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8 changelog: + Rewrote the light rendering to use multitexturing instead of direct colors
< 1325577103 571844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1325577113 419438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nasty way to do it
< 1325577127 218397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it makes it much harder for mod authors to add their own lights of various colours
< 1325577192 146883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not surprising in general, either, since the existing light colour scheme is just "two dimensions, skylight and blocklight == torch", no matter how it's implemented.
< 1325577206 513416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could easily make all torches green, though. :p
< 1325577210 920034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1325577218 440417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not add green, red and blue torches
< 1325577303 116518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why doesn't minecraft just use the phong model for all the available light sources. It could even drop the specular light calculation, which is probably the most expensive part
< 1325577305 837133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I remember
< 1325577328 465562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mc has not specular light
< 1325577342 284640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be as "retro".
< 1325577373 477190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, mc dropped retro the day it implemented smooth light
< 1325577407 585288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was someone else's idea, though, and optional in any case.
< 1325577420 89322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that stuff isn't around any more
< 1325577449 499886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it still toggleable? (I certainly haven't looked.)
< 1325577459 61944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, can't check atm
< 1325577811 380206 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325577932 22451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the current lighting code do shadows for block light sources? For skylight it does, that much I remember. I suppose it does some sort of custom light-spread for blocklight too.
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< 1325578105 884659 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe somebody here can answer this one
< 1325578123 354433 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took some source which was released under the MIT license and significantly modified it
< 1325578138 317647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf do i do to be all proper about things but still own my modifications?
< 1325578740 419887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a copyleft license or anything, so as far as I know you're free to distribute your modified version under a license as restrictive as you want, possibly as long as there's a sentence like "includes code from libfoo, which you can get from libfoo.com, licensed under the following terms: [copy of their copyright notice + MIT license statement]." But I'm certainly no lawyer.
< 1325578847 527655 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't actually care about the license but i intend to make the source available and I want to "do right"
< 1325578855 116 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of these licenses that allow you to take and use and modify the code
< 1325578874 502085 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i just add a copyright notice? how do i specify that "my changes are everywhere" lol
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< 1325579877 292783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to MIT-license the result, I would think you can just put in "Copyright Myself" + MIT license "permission is granted + no warranty" statement + based on/derived from the FunkyCode, copyright TheirName. Though I've also seen people just do "Copyright Myname" + "Copyright TheirName" + same license terms.
< 1325579915 70390 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps :)
< 1325579919 192038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. RTMPDump-YLE does it like that, http://fador.be/yle/README.rtmpdump-yle + then their COPYING file in the distribution includes the GPL text, plus "json-c has the following license: [json-c's MIT license text]".
< 1325579920 302783 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought it would be easier to find an answer for this
< 1325579941 424299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course whoever wrote RTMPDump-YLE probably wasn't a lawyer either.)
< 1325579946 344465 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a well-known and "official" kind of answer ;)
< 1325579978 7922 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's just words in many ways so i suppose i can write whatever i want that doesn't violate the existing license, i just wondered if there was a proper or standard way and couldn't find it
< 1325579981 486395 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i want to find more :P
< 1325580009 856749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the author said to me in e-mail "i don't really care, you can do whatever you want" hehe
< 1325580071 620786 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright Jafet 2009..2012. I don't have any money to hire a lawyer, so you can use this source code in any way you like and I probably won't ever sue you. No warranties expressed or implied.
< 1325580085 124563 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1325580108 389033 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a kick out of the WTFPL license
< 1325581103 330421 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-167-140.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1325581337 114251 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I implemented simple colored snow animation in my language 2DASM for 2DWPU architecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnzaXvF7p7o Here's the source: http://data.solirax.org/2dwpu/colorsnow.2da It's WIP though |3
< 1325581513 190495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325581548 7842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a big number, according to these functions of natural numbers, where ^ means exponent and ! means factorial and ; separates the definitions.
< 1325581611 938162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(0,0) = 1; f(x,0) = x^f(x-1,k(x,x!)); f(x,y) = x!+k(y^f(x,0),y^f(x,y-1))
< 1325581644 917062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k(x,0) = 2^h(x,0); k(x,y) = (x+y)^k((xy)^(xy),y-1)
< 1325581674 951797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h(0,0) = 1; h(x,0) = p(h(x-1,p(x))); h(x,y) = p(h(x,y-1))
< 1325581682 452680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1
< 1325581700 461842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q(x,0) = f(x,0); q(x,y) = f(q(x,y-1),q(x,y-1))
< 1325581708 178436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big number = q(2,q(2,2))
< 1325581747 319463 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for zzo's new exciting result in Ramsey theory.
< 1325581755 961512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large is it, what is its one's digit, what is its most significant digit, how does it compare to other big numbers, and etc?
< 1325581836 327639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it larger or smaller than: Skew's number, Moser's number, Graham's number, and XKCD's number?
< 1325581859 600927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even equal?
< 1325581919 730759 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to put it in Haskell
< 1325581964 358579 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked it a bit on paper and as far as I know the computer probably won't be able to complete the calculation
< 1325582499 264256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1 <-- I thought 1 was not a prime number?
< 1325582522 492265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then there wouldn't be unique factorizations into prime numbers
< 1325582545 329912 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 1 is not a prime number.
< 1325582561 978388 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But p(0) has to be defined anyways so that is its definition I put
< 1325582575 507371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325582595 180097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> I worked it a bit on paper and as far as I know the computer probably won't be able to complete the calculation <-- depends on how you represent it?
< 1325582610 95609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like too much work though
< 1325582630 298202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you worked on it in a CAS you might be able to find something out
< 1325582653 96642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I assume it is super-exponential then?
< 1325582669 229934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is ! in there, so I'd go with probably
< 1325583003 503512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already after expanding  f(2,0)=2^f(1,4^((4^4+1)^(2^(h((4^4)^(4^4),0))))))
< 1325583050 340575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already (4^4)^(4^4) is 256^256 which is more than googol.
< 1325583112 726851 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Googolplex? 
< 1325583185 393503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, is that 10^(10^100) or? I don't remember
< 1325583196 54828 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325583204 373767 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^googol
< 1325583234 645243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica says that 10^(10^100) > 256^256 is True, but it gives a warning about overflow
< 1325583237 740176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure
< 1325583251 563547 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know the math around these expansions and such, I guess I'll have to read something more later ^^
< 1325583287 645909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then that is a fairly small level of expansion of zzo38's function
< 1325583329 415904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that annoys me greatly in windows 7: I can't find a way to open the right click menu for the currently open directory without going up a level above it and right clicking it
< 1325583346 844673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working with shell integrated version control system, so I really really want that feature
< 1325583375 431166 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right clicking in the empty space doesn't work? Or did I misunderstand you? 
< 1325583400 558022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 256^256 = (10^log10(256))^256 = 10^(log10(256)*256) ~ 10^616; it's quite clear 10^(10^100) is bigger than that.
< 1325583401 192522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I tried to right click the icon for the folder in the corner of the window. That worked under xp
< 1325583405 563532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try right-clicking the icon in the title bar? That works in older versions of Windows.
< 1325583426 321467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that is the thing that /doesn't/ work any more
< 1325583434 129032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try using the File menu?
< 1325583457 120231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my computer, which is XP, selecting the File menu has one submenu labeled with the name of the current directory.
< 1325583470 929936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the option for tortoisehg is under there, good
< 1325583474 774790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right under the file menu
< 1325583480 203843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is btw hidden by default
< 1325583485 522231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you set a folder option thingy
< 1325583499 480100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing alt should make it display the menu even if hidden
< 1325583515 630927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really prefer linux, windows would be okay with a usable shell, and no powershell is a joke)
< 1325583555 670921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, can't hg handle empty directories? Or is it just this shell extension being stupid?
< 1325583583 532770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Linux is better. But in Windows, the standard command prompt is OK for some things, and so is Windows Explorer; you can get a UNIX command line by using Cygwin.
< 1325583598 242458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is kind of broken iirc
< 1325583606 120307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After it deletes a file, it then deletes any empty directories that were in the deleted file's path. This sounds like a trivial distinction, but it has one minor practical consequence: it is not possible to represent a completely empty directory in Mercurial."
< 1325583627 32943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1325583638 671378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no tortoisebzr, and I'm /not/ using svn
< 1325583639 705640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git works the same way, unless I misremember.
< 1325583641 332411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor git)
< 1325583673 476668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put a placeholder file in.
< 1325583739 674903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not really in this case though. Meh
< 1325583797 859143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tortoisehg has some problems with tracking the correct state for the icon overlay. More so than tortoisesvn even
< 1325583806 721560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that had some issue with it
< 1325583838 527474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dummy .gitignore/.hgignore is something I've seen in "empty"-but-we-want-them-to-exist directories.
< 1325583910 63299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no control over the software that might try to read the directory in question so I'd rather not confuse it, I'll just make sure to add the directory once any files does get added to it
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< 1325589620 346510 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regex question, how do I alter this regex: ^(\w++) gets a (.*?)$ so if in the (.*?) part there is the word 'and' it doesn't match
< 1325589627 663241 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure something to do with lookarounds? but can't figure out what
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< 1325589999 205249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doesn't match" is often not-so-easy for regexen. I mean, you *can* of course just replace (.*) with ((?:(?!and).)*) and that (seems to) work, but it's anyone's guess how inefficient that is; esp. compared to just matching and then testing whether $2 contains "and".
< 1325590157 371155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @a = ("foo gets a bar", "foo gets a bar and baz"); for (@a) { print "$_ => "; if (/^(\w+) gets a ((?:(?!and).)*?)$/) { print "match: ($1) ($2)\n"; } else { print "no match\n"; } }
< 1325590157 880134 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo gets a bar => match: (foo) (bar) \ foo gets a bar and baz => no match
< 1325590199 587712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, duh, I'm an idiot
< 1325590204 423750 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just test in LUA after the regex matches
< 1325590286 873454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325590298 178877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I doubt whether the ? does nothing; you're already using the possessive ++ "eat and never backtrack", and the match is anchored at the end with $, so I don't see how the (.*) part can do anything else except match all the way to the end, no matter if it's greedy or not.
< 1325590303 543859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nothing/anything/
< 1325590316 536786 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't do anything, no
< 1325590323 52867 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there because the regex generator put it there for me!
< 1325590394 507697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting seeing what kind of regexes are pathological and what aren't
< 1325590481 861030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :((?!foo).)* sounds like something that at least a commonly stupid regex engine would implement in the rather bad "check for a 'foo' substring at each position" way.
< 1325590591 771002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the pearl regex engine implement that in the bad way?
< 1325590593 355648 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perl
< 1325590599 710074 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325590600 183710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c that's what mushclient uses
< 1325590673 851238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, it's not uncommonly smart.
< 1325590875 915969 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325590884 935834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325591350 129632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01:01: <engree> :t reads
< 1325591350 323223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01:02: <lambdabot> forall a. (Read a) => String -> [(a, String)]
< 1325591352 602192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1325591508 838320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runStateT (replicateM 3 $ StateT reads) "1 2 3 4" :: [([Int], String)]
< 1325591509 790174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [([1,2,3]," 4")]
< 1325591550 403817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: http://sprunge.us/fdXW -- well, that doesn't look excessively smart. Though I guess it's possible the debug mode inhibits some optimilizations.
< 1325592360 756393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325592677 896736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it.
< 1325592690 378959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not xor, xor means an odd number
< 1325592719 659713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's addition (mod 2), after all
< 1325592794 555417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325593760 578435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<engree> if i could wake up at noon every day i'd be so happy <-- i woke up and noon today *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1325593779 306106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at
< 1325593983 663501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, woke up at noon.
< 1325593989 391861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english 20
< 1325593994 440985 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english
< 1325594004 678818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 20
< 1325594010 921705 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot verted praxinde ttensent diviot volute prote int esse antisscn sgthconstrefe darade reffe runcharmit ielder difper speari sonder cfol good
< 1325594011 871917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such language.  here we all speak rigelian.
< 1325594128 629325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonder the darades, we've got a difper following us!
< 1325594171 851737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe that volute runcharmit!
< 1325594206 228439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's prote to a lot of no good
< 1325594211 587685 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1325594258 955895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgth. Constrefe, you're such a diviot!
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< 1325595254 998516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the weather in Hexham today Scotland? http://i.imgur.com/SWaD6.jpg
< 1325595409 903419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Current temperature at Otaniemi: 3.12 °C"
< 1325595464 248909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, depends on whether everything that hasn't been nailed down has blown away.
< 1325595464 565583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was -5 just two days ago; and yesterday it was snowing reasonably heavily; now I guess it's all going to just melt again.
< 1325595593 998416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather for Melbourne, Victoria | Temperature: 73�F / 23�C
< 1325595756 95256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I believe the weather for Tuesday indicates that there are clouds forming an X shape in the sky, in much the same way as they are reported to have to Óengus II before his battle with the Angles.
< 1325596146 348544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 i think your number may be larger than Skewes's number but smaller than Moser's number, as afaict all your functions are still primitive recursive, so cannot get up to the approx.  ackermann level.
< 1325596146 863515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325596491 92698 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does my computer have any chance of storing Skewes's number?
< 1325596545 114984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not written out in a common base, no
< 1325596621 135137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^10^34 has 10^10^34 decimals.  even 10^10^34 has 10^34 which is enormous
< 1325596992 845228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:33:54: <Vorpal> mathematica says that 10^(10^100) > 256^256 is True, but it gives a warning about overflow
< 1325597004 979667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :256^256 = 2^(8*256), so much smaller
< 1325597082 478782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimates of the amount of "data" in the world are around the magnitude of a zettabyte, 10^21 bytes.
< 1325597145 60459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They newsposts that report these estimates never tell how they're made.
< 1325597222 340728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute quantum-mechanical upper bound for the data storage of the entire Earth is only around 10^75 bits.
< 1325597288 395522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that in non-compressed form? :P
< 1325597300 421990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose all the data in the world is compressed ... hahahahha
< 1325597324 644075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the amount of "data" in the world probably means the amount of ram in the world
< 1325597339 397966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the size of the world's tape
< 1325597342 610756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly they estimated the Bekenstein bounds of all the computers in the world.
< 1325597349 487965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325597376 443713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this topic over my head which means i am learning
< 1325597399 353878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they really say is just "content" in the "Internet"; I'm sure it's based on something more detailed, but they never bother including that in the reporting.
< 1325597423 258359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bekenstein bound of the internet as depicted by The IT Crowd.
< 1325597437 519152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's zero, because the internet obviously doesn't weigh anything.)
< 1325597437 675691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2007, humankind was able to store 2.9 × 10^20 optimally compressed bytes, communicate almost 2 × 10^21 bytes, and carry out 6.4 × 10^18 instructions per second on general-purpose computers", says a 2011 Science article, which presumably has some details too.
< 1325597451 628098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimally....... compressed.........
< 1325597500 273974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :science journalism
< 1325597510 446493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's shorthand for "best algorithms available in 2007".
< 1325597527 825123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of this story, anyway.
< 1325597542 944119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fair enough then
< 1325597633 934998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got an oracle to compress it all down to one bit, but then it went on strike so they couldn't get it uncompressed again
< 1325597822 877201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but.... that's not really helping either.
< 1325597894 200748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can store an arbitrary number of 'optimally compressed bytes' if I'm allowed to set the algorithm.
< 1325597949 749254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i threw that comment in there about compression to show that its a kind of subjective argument
< 1325597975 671600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, maybe each electron on earth can be used as a form of atomic ram
< 1325597994 295269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bekensteiiiiiin
< 1325598007 245326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok.. to wiki i go
< 1325598011 611931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch me .. ho ho ho
< 1325598016 62453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd almost think I knew something about quantum information theory.)
< 1325598028 407072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest assured i don't
< 1325598251 822933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Look, it's just a normalization thing, for pseudo-meaningfulizing the comparisons between the years they do. One megabyte of disk space used for storing video in 2007 counts as storing 1 MB of "optimally compressed" bytes; but the same one megabyte of video in 2000 counts as storing 0.45 MB of "optimally compressed" bytes, because you could store the same amount of "information" in 0.45 MB in 2007.
< 1325598261 154260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still pretty handwavy, I'm not denying that.
< 1325598302 584294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense.
< 1325598342 390852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue where they got all their numbers of how much storage capacity there is in the world, or what it's used for, though.
< 1325598557 842437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NSA, of course
< 1325598678 347664 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^21 bytes of youtube videos, facebook photos, B-rate porn, and raw astronomy data
< 1325598687 302820 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We live in a glorious civilization.
< 1325598710 608055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw astronomy porn, check
< 1325598797 297613 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't google "Young slit experiment"
< 1325598807 389400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1325599086 339027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that was a funny bug. We have this audio file reader which used to take as a parameter whether it's reading a .wav file or a raw data file; then it'd open with libsndfile and read. At some point, someone "improved" it so that it just tries to open it with libsndfile as "unknown format", and if that fails, uses it as a raw data file instead.
< 1325599151 433339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that for one particular file, after one particular piece of processing, the raw audio file (which it was) happens to contain initial bytes that look enough like some random audio format to confuse libsndfile.
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< 1325599395 651898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, in fact, Google (image search) it, and got http://www.askamathematician.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ammo.jpg as a result. I... don't know.
< 1325599408 505764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The image is work-safe, in case someone is wondering.)
< 1325599424 80848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, well, I don't know. Maybe if your employer hates kittens?)
< 1325599437 172666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it might not be.)
< 1325599473 745896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's an illustration below where the blog-author calculates the de Broglie wavelength of a kitten.
< 1325599521 750126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the blog posting is mostly about cat puns.
< 1325599535 861784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a “coherent cat beam” (a “cat-hode ray”, as it were) --" and so on.
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< 1325600459 914815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've still got Taneb on ignore.
< 1325600622 562570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something fishy here http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/02/nyheter/dyrenes_nyheter/innenriks/fiskedod/19632870/
< 1325600718 936138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dog is a fish hoarder.
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< 1325601119 710774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Mac Lane says "such that the following diagrams commute:" and then has one of the diagrams consist of two objects with a single morphism between them.
< 1325601168 98761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it commute if you can't do any commuting?
< 1325601758 953307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that the number of different brain states is an absurd thing to worry about :-D
< 1325601821 191999 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, for the "absurd thing" and "worry about" and ":-D"
< 1325601827 421933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being a bit troll
< 1325602183 445006 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious questions about quantum states of human brains are.. 
< 1325602203 873888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are some states of human brains more valuable than others
< 1325602253 815693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all atoms really
< 1325602322 64918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, states, in this case, mean quantum-mechanical states, not anything more abstract.
< 1325602332 248546 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no lack of uniformity that i know of between the atoms in the brain and the atoms in the skull apart from the way they are structured into molecules
< 1325602352 471936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those states consist of soup.
< 1325602391 336137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why the Bekenstein bound is not indicative of anything particularly useful, beyond a sardonic upper bound for data storage questions.
< 1325602407 940891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1325602508 56205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obviously useful for QM, but not for working out storage capacities.
< 1325602586 593306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the idea of viewing my thoughts as quantum states i guess is what i mean
< 1325602662 837937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1325602717 14022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its almost like a religion
< 1325602944 184845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a religion where information is god :P
< 1325602996 767399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of information? physical structures
< 1325603202 54767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not really motivated as an attack on science or on anyone.. just dealing with some stuff :P
< 1325603221 291154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying it out loud to you all
< 1325603293 169167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um
< 1325603298 62447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes little sense.
< 1325603331 195891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. well i am hopping afk for some asthma stuff 
< 1325603412 976451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my problem is this :D
< 1325603419 565276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asthma?
< 1325603430 271035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to understand science and liberal arts at the same time
< 1325603457 342221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most sensible people don't try to collide them
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< 1325604309 790481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the asthma is my own fault since i hate using the proper medicine .. nevermind that
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< 1325604557 461866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover: ok heres one way i can put it.. we humans spend a lot of time caring about other humans
< 1325604615 479774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we store information in our environments
< 1325604755 819905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm whats another way for me to randomly angst against science
< 1325604778 936832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creationism?
< 1325604868 463685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the geek gradually gets fixed upon a path
< 1325604889 329585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forging his mind into a weapon of geekdom
< 1325604921 322836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should concede that all people gradually "invest" their life in some direction or other
< 1325604943 533948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it is important to realize that such investments are being made.. there is no perfect investment
< 1325604950 604343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a game
< 1325605603 725678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for so morbid
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< 1325605628 261569 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-
< 1325605657 742514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++......-....++....
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< 1325609551 613578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking a bit closer at this bekenstein thing.. 
< 1325609554 267846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well..
< 1325609583 427924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mass next to another mass exerts a certain amount of gravity force on it
< 1325609705 974237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, that modelling the static state of something is one question
< 1325609734 717731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but modelling the dynamic physical state of something probably requires modelling the totality of the universe acting upon it
< 1325609757 335862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a guess
< 1325609936 522094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: welcome sir
< 1325609942 965856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome itidus21 
< 1325609947 63004 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21:
< 1325609985 200713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty hackego for not patronizing me
< 1325610057 294504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just typing rubbish as usual..
< 1325610058 723362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well this depends on what exactly you're trying to model, and how sophisticated the computer system is on which you're modelling it.
< 1325610131 12770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. well i guess what i mean is you can't cut and paste the universe
< 1325610133 143097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, there's no need to measure the effects of the gravity of Mars and Jupitor on a soccer ball on Earth because the inverse square laws results in incredibly meager forces.
< 1325610145 283630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be values so close to 0 that your computer cannot represent them as anything other than 0
< 1325610165 344512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the two regions will act differently
< 1325610173 541108 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on where they are in the universe
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< 1325610280 660057 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. To be an accurate system you'd want your subset of the universe to be as closed as possible.
< 1325610287 883255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. well i guess what i mean is you can't cut and paste the universe, since the distance between the 2 regions will have an effect on the behaviour of those regions
< 1325610310 578796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> for example, there's no need to measure the effects of the gravity of Mars and Jupitor on a soccer ball on Earth because the inverse square laws results in incredibly meager forces.
< 1325610316 316885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jupitor.
< 1325610319 415524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. if you cut and pasted a high mass piece of the universe next to itself.. each mass would have a strong effect on each other mass
< 1325610331 728050 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what you've heard of Jupitor? crazy britons.
< 1325610351 229794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you cut and pasted those same masses very far apart the effect would be less
< 1325610369 797812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I shouldn't even entertain such notions with you. You've probably never heard of the inverse square laws..
< 1325610384 425465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meager forces add up
< 1325610389 578818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D
< 1325610418 598159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also subtract up in absolute terms since we're talking about vectors.
< 1325610419 272060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure we do, they're the laws obeyed by the curve generated by inverting a square through a circle.
< 1325610420 225419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: gravity travels at the speed of light. copy and paste your universe into a different reference frame moving away from the first at the speed of light and problem solved
< 1325610449 266294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose its not "ok" to cut and paste regions of the universe
< 1325610462 222672 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mathematical or physics sense even
< 1325610472 753668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<quintopia> itidus21: gravity travels at the speed of light. copy and paste your universe into a different reference frame moving away from the first at the speed of light and problem solved
< 1325610477 192977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT
< 1325610501 549507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it
< 1325610516 861677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just trying to say  that as everyone already knows, the universe can't model itself
< 1325610531 335418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because im a newbie and i say such things
< 1325610544 61230 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes you need a better clipboard to do that kind of stuff.
< 1325610558 647267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend one of those fancy external clipboard programs.
< 1325610566 329830 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a lot of nice features.
< 1325610578 324559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, *everything* affects gravity, not just matter.
< 1325610633 502068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but what I'm saying is that if you calculate a value to be 0 because your computer lacks the precision to regard that value as anything other than zero, then adding a bunch of zeros together is not going to add up in any measurable sense.
< 1325610642 433629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you going to tell me that two systems moving apart at the speed of light can have an effect on one another?
< 1325610648 886858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> im just trying to say  that as everyone already knows, the universe can't model itself
< 1325610664 600819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying that self-interpreters are impossible?
< 1325610691 821752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1325610709 157642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its possible 
< 1325610725 967153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.crafts4kids.com/projects/images/solar-sys.jpg  doomsday device. the universe will implode now.
< 1325610744 248823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop discussing these topics if i don't want to discuss them
< 1325610834 433564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well just consider that it doesn't take the same amount of resources to accurate model a smaller scale version of the universe than it does to operate a full scale model.
< 1325610842 887138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it did, then yes, that would be impossible.
< 1325610870 898867 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there might exist backups of the universe? :-s
< 1325610886 521428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the data is present, sure.
< 1325610894 738917 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... no I doubt it. :P
< 1325610926 218325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that probably hits the backup infinite regression problem
< 1325610934 120909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needing backups of backups
< 1325610961 752472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the first backup is already a monumental task.
< 1325610978 963477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325610993 645800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not the best thing for me at 4am either
< 1325611002 361065 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're considering just the capability of such a thing and ignoring all practically, I would say that it's at least possible.
< 1325611004 429495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not going to help me relax
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< 1325611075 565803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I think in terms of classical physics for the most part. I don't know much at all about quantum physics, so my intuition likely breaks down at that level.
< 1325611088 200002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it becomes a question, how precise of a model do you want?
< 1325611111 236358 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to get girls probably
< 1325611128 202037 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't imagine theres any other motive
< 1325611150 128941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm afraid there may be no end to your goal in sight..
< 1325611166 700485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :girls like cars and money. sorry.
< 1325611175 2796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need a lot of money to simulate the universe though.
< 1325611182 37262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indirectly, perhaps.
< 1325611185 95181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh tidus, what a wonderful universe simulation you have made"
< 1325611193 690255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i think so"
< 1325611234 682391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could simulate women in lieu of actual women.. but.. I think I should probably abandon that path of discussion.
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< 1325611315 862092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325611324 540085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is where the precision of your models really comes into play)
< 1325611373 556961 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1325611394 723660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The odds of me having seen elliott have increased mildly
< 1325611434 92115 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the Scottish weather?
< 1325611467 902656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write brainfuck on the public toilet walls
< 1325611475 503156 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, due to me seeing someone I did not recognise but about my age at around the time when, according to the logs, "engree", whom I presume to be elliott, went to sleep
< 1325611493 648144 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'll write some lambda calculus
< 1325611505 848880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in hexham?
< 1325611506 524968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes that was elliott
< 1325611513 153969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes
< 1325611528 241461 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, engree, or the person whom I saw
< 1325611536 178032 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325611536 495945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: engree
< 1325611538 243055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1325611544 753292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is code as graffiti bad? :D
< 1325611546 223982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm psychic. :P
< 1325611551 665524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how far such ideas have gone
< 1325611560 763822 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'd imagine not very
< 1325611595 150323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :google images suggests "not very much"
< 1325611653 824198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: anyway what makes you think that this random person your age that you saw after elliott went to sleep is elliott?
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< 1325611713 161188 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, /at around the same time/ as elliott whent to sleep
< 1325611740 771378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said the odds of increased mildly, not OMG TOTALLYZ SEEN ELLIOTT LOL
< 1325611746 404052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1325611748 468253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325611749 462695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1325611752 25940 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1325611755 716165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it.
< 1325611758 771662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin'
< 1325611764 688018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boingboing.net/2009/10/09/c-graffiti.html
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< 1325611785 887285 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/pAy4z.png
< 1325611806 258553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah I see you've found the zenith of the artform.
< 1325611829 567491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I told them I knew C because I am good with word and email so they hired me."  looooool
< 1325611838 856419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a declaration of ii though
< 1325611852 702663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it took them an entire 2 months to get fired. that's incredible.
< 1325611857 630797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it
< 1325611861 124099 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its (;;)
< 1325612055 410509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: amazing
< 1325612055 768284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325612130 296346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325612130 613871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1325612134 197550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spOOky
< 1325612375 751198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:56:13: <Vorpal> come on, mc dropped retro the day it implemented smooth light
< 1325612375 908589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:56:47: <fizzie> That was someone else's idea, though, and optional in any case.
< 1325612376 65392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:57:00: <Vorpal> well that stuff isn't around any more
< 1325612376 65547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:57:29: <fizzie> Isn't it still toggleable? (I certainly haven't looked.)
< 1325612377 376954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1325612386 350413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on-by-default, though.
< 1325612460 599036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:48: <zzo38> I made up a big number, according to these functions of natural numbers, where ^ means exponent and ! means factorial and ; separates the definitions.
< 1325612460 755662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:06:51: <zzo38> f(0,0) = 1; f(x,0) = x^f(x-1,k(x,x!)); f(x,y) = x!+k(y^f(x,0),y^f(x,y-1))
< 1325612460 755891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:07:24: <zzo38> k(x,0) = 2^h(x,0); k(x,y) = (x+y)^k((xy)^(xy),y-1)
< 1325612460 755991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:07:54: <zzo38> h(0,0) = 1; h(x,0) = p(h(x-1,p(x))); h(x,y) = p(h(x,y-1))
< 1325612460 756090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:02: <zzo38> p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1
< 1325612461 950769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:20: <zzo38> q(x,0) = f(x,0); q(x,y) = f(q(x,y-1),q(x,y-1))
< 1325612464 15159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:28: <zzo38> Big number = q(2,q(2,2))
< 1325612465 982197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:09:15: <zzo38> How large is it, what is its one's digit, what is its most significant digit, how does it compare to other big numbers, and etc?
< 1325612468 969950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:10:36: <zzo38> Is it larger or smaller than: Skew's number, Moser's number, Graham's number, and XKCD's number?
< 1325612472 29300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:10:59: <zzo38> Or even equal?
< 1325612474 134290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am completely unqualified to answer this, but I really doubt it's as big as Graham's number.
< 1325613077 845981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:34:41: <fizzie> ((?!foo).)* sounds like something that at least a commonly stupid regex engine would implement in the rather bad "check for a 'foo' substring at each position" way.
< 1325613078 2346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:31: <Patashu> would the pearl regex engine implement that in the bad way?
< 1325613078 2530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:33: <Patashu> *perl
< 1325613078 2664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:39: -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
< 1325613078 2770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:40: <Patashu> b/c that's what mushclient uses
< 1325613079 275473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:37:53: <fizzie> From what I've heard, it's not uncommonly smart.
< 1325613081 378783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:52:30: <fizzie> Patashu: http://sprunge.us/fdXW -- well, that doesn't look excessively smart. Though I guess it's possible the debug mode inhibits some optimilizations.
< 1325613091 581264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Patashu was almost certainly referring to PCRE...
< 1325613110 211965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:17: <oerjan> <engree> pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it.
< 1325613110 407736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:30: <oerjan> that's not xor, xor means an odd number
< 1325613110 407928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:59: <oerjan> it's addition (mod 2), after all
< 1325613110 408097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right.
< 1325613143 724996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:54:14: <Deewiant> So is the weather in Hexham today Scotland? http://i.imgur.com/SWaD6.jpg
< 1325613151 749089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The winds actually blew us over the border.
< 1325613331 362212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sort of thought it was maybe about PCRE, but since e just said "Perl"...
< 1325613351 749124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedding Perl's regexp engine in some software and then exposing it to Lua would be impressive.
< 1325613387 378261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:58:06: <fizzie> Heh, that was a funny bug. We have this audio file reader which used to take as a parameter whether it's reading a .wav file or a raw data file; then it'd open with libsndfile and read. At some point, someone "improved" it so that it just tries to open it with libsndfile as "unknown format", and if that fails, uses it as a raw data file instead.
< 1325613387 535286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:59:11: <fizzie> Turns out that for one particular file, after one particular piece of processing, the raw audio file (which it was) happens to contain initial bytes that look enough like some random audio format to confuse libsndfile.
< 1325613395 997434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING OH THE LIFE OF A SPEECH RECOGNITION RESEARCHER
< 1325613422 712200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt like getting a grasp on zzo38's number
< 1325613430 696881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone else had hit the bug too, and had added an override parameter back. But it still has the automagic logic if you don't specify anything.
< 1325613432 614249 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scary
< 1325614071 373332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've clearly never heard of Graham's number.
< 1325614586 737186 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and TREE(3).
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< 1325614969 935751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pfffft, you've CLEARLY never heard of inaccessible cardinals!
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< 1325615469 629740 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1325615498 666849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1325615500 113055 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I stop being away?
< 1325615510 15691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be present
< 1325615512 652441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or type /unaway or w/e
< 1325615526 416293 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e
< 1325615526 735051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on irssi it's just /away with no arguments
< 1325615534 7480 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on XChat
< 1325615536 549027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue.
< 1325615575 406104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my intuition would suggest that have multiple processors does not increase the speed at which you can send packets over a network.
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< 1325615584 754721 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1325615594 227421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as your processor count increases your network adapter becomes a larger bottleneck. yes?
< 1325615604 83483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325615607 519030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, a smaller bottleneck, I guess.
< 1325615609 177526 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back!
< 1325615619 59662 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> on irssi it's just /away with no arguments
< 1325615628 221313 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not irssi - that's the irc specification of AWAY
< 1325615648 198038 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :some clients alias /back or /unaway to a /away with no arguments
< 1325615650 119278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. didn't know. I always prefix my IRC suggestions with "in irssi, it works like this"
< 1325615656 689520 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat does the former
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< 1325616824 163537 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur
< 1325617352 931781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone use a non-qwerty layout?
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< 1325617422 743275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1325617597 975032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use qwerty except I swapped t and y.
< 1325617621 146844 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325617761 688147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because qweryt sounds better?
< 1325618093 585222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally.
< 1325618425 46142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo $ mappend (Endo f) (Endo g)
< 1325618425 998560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1325618426 155467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1325618427 628797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1325618429 339294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo $ mappend (Endo f) (Endo g) :: Expr
< 1325618430 133726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `SimpleReflect.Expr'
< 1325618430 290122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ...
< 1325618435 272058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325618439 249592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo (mappend (Endo f) (Endo g)) x :: Expr
< 1325618440 427080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  f (g x)
< 1325618446 108887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f >>> g) x
< 1325618447 72224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints:
< 1325618447 229153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `SimpleReflect.FromExpr ...
< 1325618448 381448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew it
< 1325618547 334109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-62.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1325618653 295063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325618687 126192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1325618704 515295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1325618791 143070 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325618857 607875 :premek!~premek@197-14-80-78.tmcz.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325618966 601043 :premek!~premek@197-14-80-78.tmcz.cz PART :#esoteric
< 1325619005 378848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 10
< 1325619010 670523 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :herefine rol cha bourterminim ing katlanz eive diseuen karto inde
< 1325619033 84784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourterminim.
< 1325619048 506466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herefine sounds like an archaic word.
< 1325619051 245102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place name maybe.
< 1325619070 543195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Should we stop here?" "Fine."
< 1325619543 12181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print map {$_, 'c' } "hello"
< 1325619546 822104 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloc
< 1325619552 60542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bad
< 1325620147 281075 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325620726 920084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc " ", "i"
< 1325620727 433989 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :h i
< 1325620781 172357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc undef, "i"
< 1325620781 647760 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325620787 511575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc undef // " ", "i"
< 1325620787 987265 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325620791 359379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325620802 943416 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "hello"
< 1325620803 578505 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1325620808 582768 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first perl program
< 1325621132 106796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:35: <Ngevd> No, due to me seeing someone I did not recognise but about my age at around the time when, according to the logs, "engree", whom I presume to be elliott, went to sleep
< 1325621135 316864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Wasn't me.
< 1325621150 154794 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mystery solved
< 1325621170 534344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Well, unless you peeked in my window or something.
< 1325621193 712529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's door
< 1325621221 437420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_"hi"; %t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621222 72996 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :String found where operator expected at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "$_"hi"" \.(Missing operator before "hi"?) \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "$_"hi"" \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "%t{uc" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15666 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325621233 365127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; %t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621234 40414 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.15724 line 1, near "%t{uc" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15724 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325621238 406742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621238 884066 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ucHi
< 1325621265 762301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{&uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621266 278168 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined subroutine &main::uc called at /tmp/input.15851 line 1.
< 1325621277 922128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{;uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621278 557803 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.15907 line 1, near "{;" \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15907 line 1, near "uc}" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15907 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325621282 87895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{+uc}=ucfirst; print %t;
< 1325621282 614804 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIHi
< 1325621288 219111 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325621340 807992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding unary plus to expressions to change their semantics is what Perl is all about.
< 1325621420 290338 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1325621552 988992 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1325621553 146102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325621612 30513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.co.uk/coal-primer-William-Patrick-Rogers/dp/B0007302VM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
< 1325621615 403872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, should I buy this book?
< 1325621644 693095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1325621661 100827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a little on the pricey side, don't you think?
< 1325621666 154311 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1325621681 125786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's worth it!
< 1325621793 736995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Thanks for your advice, but I think I'll go with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Landolt-B%C3%B6rnstein-Set-2011-Functional-Relationships/dp/3642201067/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325621737&sr=1-1 instead
< 1325621799 597048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't trust third-party sellers
< 1325621810 319922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The added £2.80 for delivery is a bit much. What, no Super Saver stuff? 
< 1325621813 909728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the 5% discount is nice.
< 1325621852 358044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x=1..5; print map{@x}@x   #yeaaaaaaaah
< 1325621852 748622 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234512345123451234512345
< 1325621882 567492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Paperback: 7190 pages". That's a big book.
< 1325621891 431855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 15 volumes.
< 1325621896 161724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This one has free delivery: http://www.amazon.co.uk/13CNMR-Organic-Compounds-SpecInfo-Wolfgang/dp/0471662410/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325621737&sr=1-2
< 1325621899 101477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's a CD-ROM.
< 1325621906 716199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm just getting these from Phantom_Hoover, he's missing out bigtime on #esoteric karma.
< 1325621921 404610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You little git!
< 1325621927 155032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I feel Perl is a little overzealous with the warnings.
< 1325621944 697598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it told me that a , in a qw could possibly be an attempt to seperate words with commas.
< 1325621960 9043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl qw( z x c v b n m , .)
< 1325621960 486187 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1325621965 776419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use warnings; qw( z x c v b n m , .)
< 1325621966 412786 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible attempt to separate words with commas at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516
< 1325621987 333229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use warnings; print qw( z x c v b n m , .);
< 1325621988 199640 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible attempt to separate words with commas at /tmp/input.17585 line 1. \ zxcvbnm,.
< 1325622163 85431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325622188 698530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1325622196 88933 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sertenchare pensici solvo gab ermin aft chapp nier serr liie capdlak neret anntracti uiier bertic misson supprompt soufe trabit sposusan urdla jai farmg dun sobrig cond peet sthophal gonomi koll paraflow nonum segm jex guh reque rez lay cabe nei aspecte aculin vouanth echlori idly luinzeigh know pitudie armoread mahart
< 1325622212 221533 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :capdlak
< 1325622219 998980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare and capdlak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325622245 530771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare, pensici, solvo and capdlak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325622264 722723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot paraflow supprompt and armoread
< 1325622265 226310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare, pensici, solvo and capdlak | "Aft Chapp Nier Serr, Liee Neret Anntracti" | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325622295 943191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sthophal
< 1325622299 916623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys picked all the wrong words.
< 1325622319 561234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahart is idly pitudie
< 1325622516 710174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one could possibly deny that pensici, solvo, capdlak, sposusan and gonomi are supprompt game names
< 1325622586 826882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DENY IT
< 1325622596 350895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? sorry, i was off on a bertic misson
< 1325622599 179306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION denies it
< 1325622604 574238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except quintopia.
< 1325622700 45356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hand me the aculin, we have a rampant echlori infection here!
< 1325622754 423041 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50  #we need crazier words
< 1325622761 491274 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :placox eal heperoifersey misien cayu vicarne gesin comeca hirten crun eechr sig corrh lanzugenem pontedth hen divir con nephaltur johand hoff solousleisel fanwe unned pringay nyi gwaei parv daljave livaiin fayr sume costor mir refle sdoublival pana roxyfm dale cice chianartum makircusape shell forsac prestant estehilizata masca toria culuterphilig ehr
< 1325622774 70985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patient's segm is serring, we need more sthophal!
< 1325622828 851661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the patient has placox chianartum
< 1325622927 438051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a livaiin nephaltur, stat!
< 1325622959 169990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of that fancy new music website called roxyfm?
< 1325623032 986991 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-217-73.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah
< 1325626742 638847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I am completely unqualified to answer this, but I really doubt it's as big as Graham's number. <-- *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1325626749 426634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat
< 1325626757 113545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i also doubt it, with even some qualification
< 1325626784 337645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see logs)
< 1325626815 561958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right
< 1325626841 50425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the "completely unqualified" part was just humbleness, I knew it was smaller when I realised it was just a bunch of nestings of ^ and ! :P
< 1325626863 194455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _technically_ so is graham's number :P
< 1325626887 859399 :iconmaster[3]!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325626929 24293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but this doesn't apply the large numbers to the /control flow/
< 1325626981 867975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's another way of saying it has to be primitive recursive
< 1325627077 587865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was not intended to be a precise assessment :P
< 1325627106 437851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the functions is using itself to determine its recursion depth
< 1325627120 352273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1325627149 101232 :iconmaster[3]!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325627160 563468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i guess that's it
< 1325627190 579595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: what year did AttoASM first become public? 2011, or 2012?
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< 1325627284 484067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he linked to a video of it from 2011 iirc
< 1325627289 859202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think he's just released the lang itself
< 1325627318 910354 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew FINALLY connected: I came to the conclusion that my IRC client is shit.
< 1325627346 802726 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get a bunch of wierd messages from me?
< 1325627404 766757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: not that i noticed
< 1325627417 98258 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, arbitarily picking your IRC client from the first item on Wikipedia's IRC Client List is not a good idea.
< 1325627433 659634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don'ts ay
< 1325627442 56778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dont's ay all day
< 1325627459 214514 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My old client was Bersirc. Notic the alphabetic precedence.)
< 1325627480 726218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIRC
< 1325627497 600967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world's most reassuring irc client
< 1325627539 542790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! welcome to #esoteric! hello! welcome to #esoteric! hello! wel
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< 1325627683 862960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome aboard!  We know that some of you may be a little nervous about traveling on the world's first fully automated airplane, but we can assure you that there is nothing to worry about nothing to worry about nothing to worry about no
< 1325627711 880797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bot that does this for us, fungot
< 1325627712 197629 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: how do you keep doing that? women, do i? where is fraulein dr smith, the traitorous rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there
< 1325627722 498327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325627723 608614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky
< 1325627723 765071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bravo!
< 1325627723 927144 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, the boy, do i? the scorpion and a killer taipan possibilities. we could kill, not get killed, but there was a software glitch and you didn't die in reality! pteranowaffe!
< 1325627734 795813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1325627734 955443 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs* jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1325627768 695056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :î thought iwc got a little repetititive at the end
< 1325627771 609199 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1325627771 765479 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1325627776 338628 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1325627776 657419 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what if she never was, at the end you hear the truth, all these people accept amazingly lucky sods? and how many octaves do you really are some old pics, great everything
< 1325627833 169150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, i haven't been keeping up with iwc reruns
< 1325627840 479964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have the sunday annotations still been good
< 1325627874 97515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1325627876 358878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure
< 1325627935 164532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't tell me youtube comments are less repetitive than iwc!
< 1325627935 323830 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the accident report? i think mona is looking more and more!! its kinda scary at first but it was
< 1325627958 92193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes that's scary
< 1325627958 291433 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boy, suuure looks like everything i hear it was manned. ignore him.
< 1325627973 218435 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hugs
< 1325627973 376711 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: yes. there were passengers and none of you.
< 1325627981 304926 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I hate you :(
< 1325627981 461230 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: this game.
< 1325627989 15111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it seems youtube comments are a bit short
< 1325627989 174373 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bad thing is it when the plane
< 1325627994 188902 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functor
< 1325627995 974809 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1325627997 443783 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1325627997 602801 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks ok. now be gone, troll. thats bad.
< 1325628001 294993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1325628001 451400 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube*
< 1325628047 591758 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1325628047 751538 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1325628051 638230 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you okey?
< 1325628052 630609 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: the inhabitants of a given dimensional realm could survive entry to many unknown and incomprehensible realms of additional or indefinitely multiplied dimensions be they within or outside the given space-time continuum and that the vital parts of the
< 1325628062 316142 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you... okey?
< 1325628062 949945 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: our first whose exact fate we had never learned to drive should be ordering me about and taking the fnord a.m., while traversing a long, black line scarcely rising above the water yet carrying a suggestion of the fnord
< 1325628078 854750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like off-key
< 1325628099 736643 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hugs?
< 1325628100 689564 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: my head is weak from thirst, suffocation, cardiac strain, and badly in need of charles's constant oversight. charles sent his best wishes, and of a quaint colonial village. the nurse used to stop and sit on carved benches of porphyry scanning the stars, necessarily vague as it was
< 1325628252 366959 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325628445 966685 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325628476 176647 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, make sense :<
< 1325628477 329442 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: i studied psychology systematically, and under all conditions, was fnord that my mind needed a rest. wish i dared to get help it might brace up my will power but everyone who would dare to come at all would call me crazy unless there happened to be some proof. couldnt ask people to come for no reason at all am all out of sight. this was the
< 1325628486 767849 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck
< 1325628486 924282 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
< 1325628491 329597 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you make sense now?
< 1325628496 785699 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello?
< 1325628516 704460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank fucking god fungot has a message limit.
< 1325628517 182235 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: his birthday is in a few minutes. wow he is so cool. two more large gizmos. it was once the island remained except the pony a begrudging pat, as gently in the horn fell off. dammit.
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< 1325628582 266815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my earlier days, I cursed the message limit.
< 1325628589 94303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see it for the blessing it truly is.
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< 1325628690 784746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t find
< 1325628691 629773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Maybe a
< 1325628749 673849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:)
< 1325628750 631792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) (g :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor g) => (a -> b) -> f (g a) -> f (g b)
< 1325628760 569284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1325628780 645237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy((>1).:gcd)[2..]
< 1325628782 594076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101...
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< 1325628819 389793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's caleskell, man
< 1325628822 328320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) . (.)
< 1325628823 121870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b)
< 1325628836 366902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.: is great
< 1325628869 82458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) . (.) . (.)
< 1325628869 875390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *) a b (f2 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1, Functor f2) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 (f2 a)) -> f (f1 (f2 b))
< 1325628880 144022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.)
< 1325628881 135420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1325628885 183513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just think of (.) as liftF
< 1325628891 940915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lifting into the nth depth of a stack of functors
< 1325628896 333768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by composing liftFs
< 1325628906 675765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:.)
< 1325628907 684938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `.:.'
< 1325628921 326881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (..:)
< 1325628922 346537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `..:'
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< 1325629062 262794 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (.::)
< 1325629063 111779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `.::'
< 1325629074 840612 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (.::) = (.) . (.) .(.)
< 1325629075 989902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1325629114 493313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Total Recall combinator.
< 1325629280 297526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like words/unwords and lines/unlines should have their names flipped.
< 1325629317 697882 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like you're wrong.
< 1325629333 664304 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also feel like lines/unlines and words/unwords are evil because they lose information.
< 1325629340 886385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure.
< 1325629350 168036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not perfect inverses, no.
< 1325629360 122881 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're EVIL inverses.
< 1325629366 679096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you don't want that extra information, and if you do, you want to use something.
< 1325629381 212399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something isn't evil because it doesn't fill the purpose you want it to.
< 1325629384 26529 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a function onlines :: (String -> String) -> String -> String
< 1325629399 66123 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is usually implemented as \f -> unlines . f . lines, which is wrong.
< 1325629405 850771 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1325629445 573862 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325629452 795340 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still I think unlines makes more sense a function that splits a string by lines, removing the lines from the strings
< 1325629464 582513 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines" gives you the lines in a string.
< 1325629467 371952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lines taking a list of strings and produce a single string of lines.
< 1325629468 643349 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlines" does the opposite of lines.
< 1325629484 138143 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think more, like, declaratively, man.
< 1325629486 676981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could do the exact same thing with the flipped meanings.
< 1325629497 145092 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1325629516 660648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti's proposal is nonsense.
< 1325629518 445827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines" gives you a list of strings as lines
< 1325629518 922129 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would like to explain.
< 1325629520 229562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is completely right.
< 1325629522 450853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlines" does the opposite of lines.
< 1325629525 666964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my explanation.
< 1325629533 289436 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you going to Hac Boston?
< 1325629536 740377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "lines xs" is not the lines of xs.
< 1325629539 639085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore the name is wrong.
< 1325629555 210169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foldr f z xs" is the fold of (f,z) over xs, so the name is right. "succ x" is the successor of x, so the name is right.
< 1325629563 328235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines s" is the lines of s, so the name is right.
< 1325629564 923045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1325629626 55460 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IF foldr f z xs IS THE FOLD OF (f,z) OVER xs, WHY ISN'T IT CALLED foldr (f,z) xs???
< 1325629666 356238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was going to say "f and z" but then I decided to be a MATHEMATICIAN about it!!!!!!
< 1325629676 297440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should use "of" as infix application syntax.
< 1325629680 502262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow spaces in function names.
< 1325629690 548080 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325629693 336788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = the unlines of the lines of xs
< 1325629698 200295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicate of 3 of "hello"
< 1325629754 477458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'll give this guy 5 minutes to accept my answer
< 1325629777 569473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how your "of" basically breaks down completely.
< 1325629777 886768 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had this silly idea
< 1325629782 265932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of analogy
< 1325629792 221736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some Haskell functions are in fact verbs.
< 1325629795 567566 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writingh an "auto-responder bot"
< 1325629826 990216 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much when I'm away, there will be a shitty chatbot that talks when you mention it
< 1325629837 126221 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess like fungot but less markov-y?
< 1325629837 285769 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: is it
< 1325629840 29062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you've invented fungot.
< 1325629840 346593 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white.
< 1325629847 753801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got ninja'd
< 1325629853 272683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <fungot> elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white.
< 1325629853 590464 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: john, the uncarved minitablet. john carved this tablet at the request. it's just a wrapper for your private reading material later, you will play a game with a dead heir and witch
< 1325629856 388061 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :794) <fungot> elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white.
< 1325629860 831530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a depraved individual.
< 1325629861 28486 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like
< 1325629864 10844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is not a good fungot quote
< 1325629864 169421 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of what??? now you've seen everything! weaky, is it really so much to the frustration of the suitor.
< 1325629868 18992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: you should make it sentient  like Strider's bot...
< 1325629868 174772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325629870 617237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325629871 887025 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :735) <monqy> i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one"
< 1325629872 45749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325629873 196136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325629874 623303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1325629881 163649 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :461) <fizzie> elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for!
< 1325629885 280776 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :448) <Phantom_Hoover> pikhq, living in the future sucks.  <Phantom_Hoover> The past just keeps coming up to us and trying to make us feel guilty.
< 1325629885 597766 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srider was an inspiration, so i'll try my hardest
< 1325629906 759997 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it'll prolly just be a shitty chat-bot
< 1325629927 725086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :chitty-chat bot
< 1325629935 170522 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :674) <fizzie> It's missing the "bear scat showing a diet of prime numbers" picture.
< 1325629935 338171 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :490) <monqy> rest in peace lambdabot????  <ais523> monqy: it'll probably be back later  <monqy> nap in peace
< 1325629946 723209 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this IRC library I'm using right now... It's not documented almost at all
< 1325629966 604842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just write your own IRC code; the protocol is trivial.
< 1325629970 668616 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to fix the example
< 1325629973 320159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 735 the worst?
< 1325629977 724129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only 4 have came
< 1325629989 435349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are 5: 735 461 448 674 490
< 1325630004 545800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 5 quotes!
< 1325630017 80016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. i like them all but 674 is prolly worst
< 1325630026 529510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get 735 at all
< 1325630033 855658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's Homestuck mode is the best.
< 1325630034 54302 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like little else, is still just that. a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually den
< 1325630038 62136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :674 sounds like it might have a context
< 1325630058 841377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like the fungot styles other people seem to hate
< 1325630058 999079 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not that it would actually bother pitying you.
< 1325630065 27771 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so testing of my bot is at #iconbot
< 1325630073 881378 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing there right now
< 1325630094 540134 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "Homestuck"?
< 1325630100 211962 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep talking about it on the Internet.
< 1325630103 427388 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably emans it's bad.
< 1325630106 124406 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is basically the best thing ever.
< 1325630114 330851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very good, but the people who like it are terrible.
< 1325630125 688976 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree.
< 1325630131 931761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples: elliott, kallisti, Sgeo, iconmaster
< 1325630148 714665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean any given set of people who like it will identify some subset of the others as terrible, and the intersection of these is nonempty.
< 1325630170 634298 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I identify everybody as terrible.
< 1325630179 82195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you're well on the way.
< 1325630180 988410 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Homestuck.
< 1325630257 310561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, keep it up and you'll be a top-flight Homestuck fan in no time.
< 1325630274 48325 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks boring.
< 1325630278 775123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, all you really need to do is accurately identify Homestuck references so you can hate the people who make them.
< 1325630291 476265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Homestuck is a new diet and children's cartoon.
< 1325630296 58636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kills bears for cash.
< 1325630300 168093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F- don't buy.
< 1325630336 413805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Back me up on this.
< 1325630349 366429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are true facts.
< 1325630358 593453 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it.
< 1325630369 152001 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this like a game where you can only press one button to go forward?
< 1325630375 183387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1325630398 616281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before Phantom_Hoover or someone jumps in, the actual games are just really complicated single buttons.)
< 1325630399 608701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you have two buttons you can press to go forward?
< 1325630403 456579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would just be stupid.
< 1325630492 180766 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-014-213.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325630535 660348 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it.
< 1325630603 455755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It makes sense if you eat bears.
< 1325630705 122128 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325630728 958513 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So that you can fast or slow forward, I suppose.
< 1325630729 670328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325630739 929531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, here, watch http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004748
< 1325630744 109231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages
< 1325630744 796358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 9h 36m 38s ago: i think your number may be larger than Skewes's number but smaller than Moser's number, as afaict all your functions are still primitive recursive, so cannot get up to
< 1325630744 958100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approx. ackermann level.
< 1325630745 454518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should make sense after that.
< 1325630766 690735 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no audio.
< 1325630786 256009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should still make sense without audio.
< 1325630798 835461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But what about the voice acting lovingly done by 3-year-olds?
< 1325630805 376395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Don't believe the bears.
< 1325630812 864141 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325630815 125307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly vital to the plot, fortunately.
< 1325630852 189599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they tell you. Then you're buying speakers and dealing drugs on the street. In the "ghetto" "hood".
< 1325630856 542754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ghood".
< 1325631127 202300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf
< 1325631128 193109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are
< 1325631130 951778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still there
< 1325631365 615499 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: []
< 1325631379 468546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense now?
< 1325631386 896768 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really watch it.
< 1325631397 982991 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1325631401 977659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's not much to ask.
< 1325631441 538788 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325631474 171574 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it is.
< 1325631492 352673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you would be SO ENLIGHTENED :(
< 1325631720 649476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show{-lol-}3
< 1325631721 640544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3"
< 1325631784 175043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of programming language tutorials tend to say something like "comments are ignored"
< 1325631822 9767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be more accurate to say something like "comments can be thought of as a single space"
< 1325631832 541669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (show)3
< 1325631833 600478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3"
< 1325631838 153712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments aren't whitespace, they just separate tokens.
< 1325631842 385280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except in C, where they actually are whitespace.0
< 1325631851 150334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments are defined as whitespace in the Haskell Report
< 1325631877 659500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets out his language lawyer SPECTACLES.
< 1325631934 572472 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1325631993 26842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace	->	 whitestuff {whitestuff}
< 1325631994 455748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitestuff	->	 whitechar | comment | ncomment
< 1325632002 607701 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325632043 298634 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist.
< 1325632155 665034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all programming languages are racist.  when did _you_ last see a pl which allowed blackspace?
< 1325632173 55349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, african-americanspace
< 1325632178 857171 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's why I invert the colours in my terminal.
< 1325632191 455866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I can tell, it technically has to do with how the syntax of function application is not defined as whitespace.
< 1325632219 454969 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325632246 715619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you're babbling again
< 1325632285 685859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :function application is just an adjacency of two of a particular set of tokens.
< 1325632348 722035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if function application were literally defined as whitespace, then (f)x would not be valid.
< 1325632366 307780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define something as whitespace?
< 1325632379 598556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by specifying what whitespace is, and then specifying that this thing involves whitespace.
< 1325632382 653358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: more precisely, it's about separation of lexical analysis and parsing
< 1325632389 850862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1325632407 910350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where whitespace is thrown away before the latter
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< 1325632685 688798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal-> octit{octit}
< 1325632701 920304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325632707 880783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bye
< 1325632718 472655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i was going to say it's octet, but that's something else
< 1325632723 301819 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325632747 275966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an octit is three bits, anyway
< 1325632750 288564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an octet is base-256 :P
< 1325632766 550711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the breasts of cephalopod mollusks obviously.
< 1325632774 241388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a bintet is base-4
< 1325632778 995761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right.
< 1325632783 516811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a base-8 digit is a tritet
< 1325632787 880128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base-(2^3)
< 1325632814 748810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bitet methinks
< 1325632834 41548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i think octet is the same as the musical term, so it would be duet and trio
< 1325632842 550170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1325632846 885566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
< 1325632869 416745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duet, trio, quartet, quintet, sextet, septet, octet, nonet and dectet
< 1325632875 210309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly duo?  those have slightly different meanings
< 1325632887 314431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one is base-1024. perhaps not very useful
< 1325632890 662822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i confusing with norwegian again
< 1325632892 395065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well ^ is a quote from wp
< 1325632894 871860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so duet methinks
< 1325632900 329462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325632901 598821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duo is more informal i think
< 1325632911 600945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duet ofc can refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duet as well
< 1325633028 504570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh it seems i looked at that page at _precisely_ the moment wikipedia logged me out
< 1325633052 416829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gave some strange layout error
< 1325633101 418788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no
< 1325633142 791142 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv (\x -> cos x) (x :: Expr)
< 1325633143 904882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1 * negate (sin x)
< 1325633169 764821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused by being brought to wiktionary when clicking duo
< 1325633187 573394 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325633194 872710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this 3d fractal out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYsbFreUMkg&feature=g-all-lik&context=G27426daFAAAAAAAALAA
< 1325633439 904276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Number.Dif SimpleReflect> deriv cos (x :: Expr)
< 1325633440 63564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * negate a
< 1325633441 559564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh....
< 1325633442 511189 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1325633512 698127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what
< 1325633519 435126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1325633583 796008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of is maybe I broke something when I installed the latest version of GHC from source?
< 1325633590 18853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so far everything has been fine.
< 1325633606 538541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reinstall numbers and it's still producing the same output.
< 1325633613 911153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv cos (x :: Expr)
< 1325633614 901933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1 * negate (sin x)
< 1325633660 470549 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By any chance did you define x = asin a? :-)
< 1325633667 287767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no.
< 1325633694 309262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv cos (asin a :: Expr)
< 1325633695 418283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1 * negate (sin (asin a))
< 1325633695 734616 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1325633715 182783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> x
< 1325633715 341286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1325633715 498379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> y
< 1325633715 498581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1325633715 498706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> cos x
< 1325633717 648433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos x
< 1325633720 172143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1325633735 725866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something is weird with Data.Number.Dif
< 1325633765 404928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: did it use to work before?
< 1325633772 600662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325633772 920055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325633788 644776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since I've installed the new GHC
< 1325633790 939127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dif thing hasn't been updated since 2009.
< 1325633795 814720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no.
< 1325633798 111231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that
< 1325633808 427579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not quite what I meant.
< 1325633830 431407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying it's a ghc bug
< 1325633834 36954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325633848 29332 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I as implying that the error has something vaguely to do with that module
< 1325633850 406532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not SimpleReflect
< 1325633852 466810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two modules being used.
< 1325633864 273637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they suddenly uploaded a new version and it broke.
< 1325633879 25284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so what happens if you do map (deriv cos) [0..]
< 1325633890 28535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *sin
< 1325633894 345468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no
< 1325633896 780220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**cos
< 1325633912 332231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers in (-1,1)
< 1325633920 655941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1325633922 716822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that.
< 1325633925 968842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers. :)
< 1325633938 236701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (deriv cos) [0..]
< 1325633939 345904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [-0.0,-0.8414709848078965,-0.9092974268256817,-0.1411200080598672,0.7568024...
< 1325633944 336003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yes
< 1325633946 118356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers in (-1,1)
< 1325633956 627935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: but are they the same as abovE?
< 1325633958 368954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e
< 1325633972 962453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325633987 926763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it works for Double, but not simplereflect?
< 1325634002 975387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it _is_ something to do with simplereflect as well
< 1325634033 807556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> deriv cos (0 :: Expr)
< 1325634034 599962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * negate a
< 1325634044 759583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39 < oerjan> ok so it works for Double, but not simplereflect?
< 1325634048 722740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that is an accurate statement
< 1325634093 715903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it breaks because Expr does not provide a genuine group/ring
< 1325634122 538056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    cos              = lift (cycle [cos, negate . sin, negate . cos, sin])
< 1325634131 934884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift :: (Num a) => [a -> a] -> Dif a -> Dif a
< 1325634132 93352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift (f : _) (C x) = C (f x)
< 1325634132 285001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift (f : f') p@(D x x') = D (f x) (x' * lift f' p)
< 1325634132 285112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift _ _ = error "lift"
< 1325634145 719338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/numbers/2009.8.9/doc/html/src/Data-Number-Dif.html
< 1325634226 888933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> negate b
< 1325634227 681689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a
< 1325634229 307547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1325634254 601561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> negate (var "the queen of france")
< 1325634254 795678 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a
< 1325634265 332002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> negate x
< 1325634266 455042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  negate x
< 1325634305 689284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 - x
< 1325634306 681639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0 - x
< 1325634314 616436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to reinstall simplereflect
< 1325634336 389053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    negate = withReduce  $ fun "negate" `iOp` negate `dOp` negate
< 1325634346 130782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks ok to me
< 1325634356 401296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: where is your simplereflect from?
< 1325634359 414266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a quote from the show package
< 1325634367 261992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I figure that out...
< 1325634374 584871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, you installed it
< 1325634378 112148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling when I reinstall it, it will be fixed.
< 1325634421 807914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iOp
< 1325634422 918892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `iOp'
< 1325634626 351829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that didn't fix it
< 1325634630 198604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's some relevant information:
< 1325634631 624525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bQQf
< 1325634643 484527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1325634647 57540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~who knows~
< 1325634672 188208 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1325634674 605691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :adam@maria:~$ ghci --version
< 1325634674 763896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.2.2
< 1325634680 577846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line was missing
< 1325634681 846707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my paste
< 1325634804 569365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1325634806 154185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1325634959 62007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intExpr
< 1325634960 12651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `intExpr'
< 1325635003 776740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone with GHC 7.2 want to see if they can reproduce?
< 1325635075 731191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what do you get from negate (undefined :: Expr) ?
< 1325635112 605157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a
< 1325635116 843105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically constant for anything
< 1325635161 160622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are some things I should have done before compiling and installing GHC?
< 1325635168 24872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically just removed ghc via apt-get
< 1325635183 644054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: which version of simplereflect was installed?
< 1325635221 383099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's show?
< 1325635237 380453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I installed both show and simple-reflect but it seems to be using show.
< 1325635249 271879 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that it matters
< 1325635258 643176 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even after installing show it installed simple-reflect when I told it to
< 1325635285 917757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuring show-0.4.1.2...
< 1325635413 313379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling it has something to do with a misconfigured system.
< 1325635420 804346 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both GHC 6 and 7 on this computer.
< 1325635428 318053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what does Prelude.negate x  give?
< 1325635448 491460 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing.
< 1325635464 356382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> elliott: what are some things I should have done before compiling and installing GHC?
< 1325635467 768149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing everything
< 1325635468 242452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: iirc they are not supposed to mix packages for different ghc versions
< 1325635476 647740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: define "everything"
< 1325635476 806688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1325635477 281935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325635479 542447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a misconfiguration
< 1325635483 773558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library is just fucked up
< 1325635491 561394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, ghc bugs don't manifest as subtle wrongness where "a" is used for no reason
< 1325635504 812092 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -shrug-
< 1325635510 138467 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does it work on your system.
< 1325635517 286675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your snazzy GHC 7
< 1325635531 589667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perfectly configuredness etc
< 1325635545 978035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    negate = withReduce  $ fun "negate" `iOp` negate `dOp` negate
< 1325635546 137490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOp :: (Expr -> Expr) -> (Integer -> Integer) -> Expr -> Expr
< 1325635546 293876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOp  rr ff aa   = (rr a  ) { intExpr    = ff <$> intExpr    aa }
< 1325635546 294080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dOp :: (Expr -> Expr) -> (Double -> Double) -> Expr -> Expr
< 1325635546 294192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dOp  rr ff aa   = (rr aa  ) { doubleExpr = ff <$> doubleExpr aa }
< 1325635564 99962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1325635564 933690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Show a, FromExpr b) => FromExpr (a -> b) where
< 1325635565 89767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    fromExpr ff aa = fromExpr $ op L 10 " " ff (lift aa)
< 1325635577 319897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba to figure out the bug
< 1325635590 937575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that rr a should have been rr aa, no? :D
< 1325635608 416491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm on the source I looked at it was a not aa
< 1325635627 29265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha
< 1325635627 663573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1325635628 337825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: see the second iOp line
< 1325635629 942399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOp  r f a   = (r a  ) { intExpr    = f <$> intExpr    a }
< 1325635630 105667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is the variable "a"
< 1325635632 921077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on hackage
< 1325635638 227231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/show/0.4.1.2/doc/html/src/SimpleReflect.html
< 1325635643 260929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what source you're looking at, it's the wrong one
< 1325635649 958644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1325635654 557983 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr
< 1325635666 471626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the show package
< 1325635670 475753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have spotted it much earlier if I were looking at the right source. :P
< 1325635671 425480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what lambdabot uses
< 1325635676 857823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it might be newer/less buggy
< 1325635684 125130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/simple-reflect/0.2/doc/html/src/Debug-SimpleReflect-Expr.html#Expr
< 1325635694 525280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1325635695 412224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/numbers/2009.8.9/doc/html/Data-Number-Symbolic.html
< 1325635696 681829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same package as Dif
< 1325635698 940985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably works better :P
< 1325635702 800396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Number.Symbolic.var
< 1325635703 632859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. String -> Sym a
< 1325635705 796618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1325635726 16315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: um you were clearly using show-0.4.1.2 in what you pasted
< 1325635733 451086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not simple-reflect
< 1325635768 725187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is well-known for his attention to detail.
< 1325635786 468293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1325635803 841316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically, yes. I ACTION'd it
< 1325635813 745179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1325635842 742474 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION compiles mueval yet again.
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< 1325635937 345393 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you never explained why I shouldn't move mueval into /usr/bin
< 1325635947 98819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you did and I forgot
< 1325635967 6139 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make include file by search path, I have made the <|> for IO and the choice for any Alternative and then make as follows:
< 1325635976 450884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loadInputFile = parseInputFile >=> either ((>> exitFailure) . hPutStrLn stderr . show ) (fmap join . sequence . fmap loadIncludeFiles);
< 1325635986 433259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parseInputFile n = theSearchPath >>= (<|> fileErr n) . choice . fmap (parseFromFile (mmlParser <* eof) . (</> n));
< 1325635995 183005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loadIncludeFiles (Include x) = loadInputFile x; loadIncludeFiles x = return [x];
< 1325636055 232948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the proper way or is there better ways?
< 1325636090 850767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also what's the difference between mueval and mueval-core?
< 1325636121 864664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm in (f x), what precedence is f at
< 1325636131 738654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i don't know
< 1325636153 790775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 11 or so...
< 1325636177 169083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall seeing the Report mention a precedence for function application.
< 1325636187 497484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc showsPrec uses 11 for the level above operators?
< 1325636213 213406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell report doesn't assign any numbers to non-operator syntax afair
< 1325636280 966886 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice Symbolic does reductions
< 1325636287 843202 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like actual reductions
< 1325636298 477255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :deriving cos yields -sin x
< 1325636313 856076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the let, case and \ expressions don't fit into simple precedence
< 1325636375 776944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are high from the left, but cannot be put right after application, and are greedy/low to the right
< 1325636579 37460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: simplereflect does too, they're just manual
< 1325636582 760290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to ask for them
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< 1325636621 817460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Jesus, Vi Hart is now affiliated with Khan Academy.
< 1325636653 864305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo You are no longer allowed to use any Khan Academy resources. Thank you for your coöperation.
< 1325636654 206643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325636667 521902 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with Vi Hart?
< 1325636668 155347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1325636679 390719 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325636679 555755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 8d 11h 14m 17s ago: well i have a hunch that you need a bit of self-esteem more than you need intelligence.
< 1325636679 873375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover said 26s ago: You are no longer allowed to use any Khan Academy resources. Thank you for your coöperation.
< 1325636722 194405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, tau advocate, not to mention that I strongly suspect that she's what SMBC terms a math enthusiast, i.e. someone more concerned with the trappings of maths than the actual substance.
< 1325636745 539652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: i don't like your reverse amnesia
< 1325636777 595338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched her videos in a while, but ISTR them having a large element of "look at this cool thing maths is so beautiful!" without actually explaining the underlying maths.
< 1325636817 818786 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let derivs f x = takeWhile (/=0) . map val . iterate df . f $ dVar x in derivs (^3) (Data.Number.Symbolic.var "x")
< 1325636819 443026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [x*x*x,(x+x)*x+x*x,2*x+x+x+x+x,6]
< 1325636825 187664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....6?
< 1325636862 424815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 6
< 1325636864 645913 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let derivs f x = takeWhile (/=0) . map val . iterate df . f $ dVar x in derivs (^3) (Data.Number.Symbolic.con "x")
< 1325636865 629059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Char])
< 1325636865 785350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `de...
< 1325636876 216775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let derivs f x = takeWhile (/=0) . map val . iterate df . f $ dVar x in derivs (^3) (Data.Number.Symbolic.con 5)
< 1325636877 800127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [125,75,30,6]
< 1325636884 62991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay.
< 1325636889 777087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right 
< 1325636895 189896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is certainly the correct answer in [x*x*x,(x+x)*x+x*x,2*x+x+x+x+x,6]
< 1325636905 648077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know why they didn't simplify the other results more
< 1325636952 57060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm what precedence is \ at
< 1325636956 386501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + \e -> e
< 1325636957 338877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: show: No overloading for function
< 1325636969 226935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just told you above
< 1325636977 116341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah
< 1325636984 592687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok what's a _conservative_ precedence to assign \ :P
< 1325637000 431113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 from the left, -1 from the right?
< 1325637033 849659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *single precedence
< 1325637041 962875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservative as in, always valid but sometimes produces needless parens
< 1325637050 429049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes -inf would count :P)
< 1325637066 728552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. -inf then
< 1325637067 205183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src shows
< 1325637067 680368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You untyped fool!
< 1325637069 582555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src show
< 1325637070 57768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show x = shows x ""
< 1325637077 431423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bah fine
< 1325637133 630940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm what precedence is e at in (\_ -> e)
< 1325637156 979814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's an arbitrary expression
< 1325637173 656420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so also -inf, i guess
< 1325637188 57779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1325637196 664747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok what precedence would you showsPrec it at if you had to showsPrec an e in that position :P
< 1325637203 996633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess (-1) would work
< 1325637207 958072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, no
< 1325637210 175685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want /no/ parens
< 1325637213 385462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /always/ parens
< 1325637215 310404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually +inf
< 1325637223 358679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... 11
< 1325637232 832369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm not really
< 1325637245 153148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait no
< 1325637247 252593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok it's +inf
< 1325637275 189018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/o13r9/profile_of_eric_lander_mathematician_turned/
< 1325637288 261032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profile of a mathematician turned biologist.... turned killer
< 1325637293 289691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, that way if e contains any operators it will be parenthesized
< 1325637307 337319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right it's > not <
< 1325637311 696267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok so -1 then
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< 1325637397 745748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was hoping it'd be actually that.
< 1325637422 201784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the prospect of biomathematical murder entice you?
< 1325637428 347766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1325637431 798574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's a synonym of inspectable.
< 1325637449 359332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lookable.
< 1325637461 672734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I hate you.
< 1325637506 760926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You cannot be a biomathematical murderer because you are a) a programmer and hence incapable of science and maths and b) an English pansy and hence incapable of killing anything.)
< 1325637619 232531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: scrutinable
< 1325637623 74114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
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< 1325637692 658351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: auditable
< 1325637695 393260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :examinable
< 1325637717 781781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :investigable
< 1325637829 460006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enjoys how particularly easy it is to define a recursive dual number for automatic differentiation.
< 1325637841 136374 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can continue taking derivatives of derivatives.
< 1325637860 924851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or compute values from differentiated numbers and differentiate that.
< 1325638032 379497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ad does all that
< 1325638170 322386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it would be swell if Symbolic transformed x*x into x^2 and x*x^e to x^(e+1)
< 1325638192 850880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also x+x to 2*x, and x + C*x to (C+1)*x
< 1325638220 886147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I could convince them to let me patch it or something?
< 1325638306 489064 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'd be more interested in a more generalized way to redefine display/reduction behavior.
< 1325638454 378154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: cas
< 1325638552 349658 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, no.
< 1325638572 427750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a CAS can be embedded in Haskell's numeric typeclasses.
< 1325638576 668635 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, sure.
< 1325638638 380392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm mostly interested in a few simple reductions.
< 1325638679 299370 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not, say, sovling equations and performing complex algebra.
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< 1325638775 540150 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something called DoCon but it... apparently has no documentation
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< 1325639049 961394 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell iconmaster hi, your nick makes me think of ReBoot.
< 1325639050 437140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325639136 649384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to analyze the complexity of language implementations.
< 1325639187 275605 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, why is Perl so slow? is it all constant factors is it non-constant stuff going on under the hood?
< 1325639200 925841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/factors/factors or is it/
< 1325639286 428122 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's mostly constant factors or linear factors.
< 1325639332 858995 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable interpolation would be linear (not counting stuff like @{[...]} which is basically an eval)
< 1325639587 198189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: did you know: the asker of the highest-voted question of all time on SO only has 263 rep
< 1325639632 475968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hilarious to me
< 1325639634 455570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because
< 1325639637 941399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gone completely off the deep end
< 1325639648 515364 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325639666 769646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're like me when I was playing WoW.
< 1325639732 892291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which question?
< 1325639768 80354 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how do I shot web?"
< 1325639788 507520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "how is babby formed?" then?
< 1325639914 924209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/194812/list-of-freely-available-programming-books
< 1325639926 708032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got converted to community wiki before they could reap the massive rep spoils :P
< 1325639958 598541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly above an hour after being posted, even
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< 1325641062 887485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am a bug" is the worst thing I've ever read.
< 1325641443 526243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1325642564 536157 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-214.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse than "I am Error"?
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< 1325645755 903000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1325648715 642240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that list is pretty cool
< 1325648866 966908 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some pinball game for Texas Instruments calculator, but you cannot choose which direction to nudge the table (it always does in a random direction when you push that button), and you have to wait ten seconds before nudging again otherwise you are accused of cheating.
< 1325648967 620437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to these rules, it isn't a very good game.
< 1325649024 740298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the strength of this accusation you are escorted from the premises bringing an early end to the game of pinball
< 1325649150 220661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most computer pinball game you can at least select which direction to nudge the table! And does not have such a severe penalty (it isn't cheating to nudge the table, anyways). (Flipperless computer pinball games usually have no penalty for nudging the table, however.)
< 1325649494 649779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: real pinball tables penalise you for nudging the table
< 1325649506 486342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes with a warning, but if you do it repeatedly, or hard enough, they lock both flippers and you automatically lose the ball
< 1325649509 894313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes they do; but only if you do it too hard or too much.
< 1325650457 420559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the best pinball game
< 1325650466 686882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a dos game
< 1325650482 825160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember what it's called but it is best
< 1325650569 159955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Visual Pinball, it has some flipperless games JiggleBox is best one.
< 1325650643 588381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant play it anymore
< 1325650651 191060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i dont have a windows box
< 1325650665 261924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i find it, i'll give it to you
< 1325650694 713493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Pinball doesn't work on Wine either. It is only for Windows. But there can be make better one for many operating system and with open source, possibly.
< 1325650738 910921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote yes
< 1325650750 394030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have all these ideas and you never make them :/
< 1325650754 784688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is a yes and no question
< 1325651071 247040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this pinball project which is under strict deadlines will require a new programming language like C and Haskell, but markedly superior
< 1325651171 140881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C and Haskell?
< 1325651172 644797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously?
< 1325651205 449224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. it just has to be better than them
< 1325651295 835030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to envisage a language that's better than C at everything and also better than Haskell at everything
< 1325651302 469979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it existed, I'd probably use it
< 1325651413 131403 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to envisage a language that's better than C at *everything* that's not a C-family language with stupid decisions omitted.
< 1325651788 730703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its necessary to make the pinball game
< 1325651905 461840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it
< 1325651958 335190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a lang that's better than C, Haskell, and Perl in every respect, and I'll write scapegoat in it
< 1325651982 570563 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not saying it has to be done either
< 1325652005 514892 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wouldn't it be enough to be better than C and Haskell in every respect? *zing*
< 1325652020 499959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither's really good for one-off text processing
< 1325652029 341158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: @
< 1325652036 404342 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, and Perl is?
< 1325652039 889477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't yet exist
< 1325652041 157593 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1325652044 18606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: surprisingly, yes
< 1325652045 758785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neither does scapegoat
< 1325652055 452779 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, yes, I know, that's the *one* thing Perl actually does well.)
< 1325652060 125491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my general idea, is that it has some kind of Forth-like virtual machine, which can be programmed in Forth but also in C or Haskell or other programming languages, but there are two separate programs: the one that sets the physical table parameters, and one which emulates the CPU of the pinball.
< 1325652063 939638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: give him @ and he'll give you scapegoat
< 1325652068 849714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he said
< 1325652072 408831 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* awk on steroids, after all.
< 1325652077 915903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what vcs will i develop @ with?
< 1325652091 503711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unlike Visual Pinball and whatever, you must use physical parameters so the CPU emulation program cannot do anything that it cannot do physically, even if done by computer physics.
< 1325652094 978715 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see we have a cyclic dependency here.
< 1325652096 87388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we need some mutual productive recursion so we can have @ and scapegoat be created codependently so they can be developed with each other
< 1325652098 848994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something that sg imports well
< 1325652106 821669 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to solve this in the standard elliott way.
< 1325652108 728256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give me a bit of scapegoat and i'll give you a bit of @
< 1325652116 573206 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You will develop @ with @ as the VCS.
< 1325652135 965236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm… I'm guessing sg will at least mostly be written in ASCII, so the first bit is probably going to be 0
< 1325652139 584896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: @ as the solution to every problem, offloading work to others... yep, checks out
< 1325652141 801949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second, harder to say
< 1325652157 543841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I need 32 bits to get started
< 1325652165 227616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in return i'll produce 64 bits of @
< 1325652173 463010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text processing can be one thing Perl does well; but AWK can also do text processing it is designed for that purpose.
< 1325652176 293074 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Scap"
< 1325652199 319513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are we just both going to come up with increasingly long header comments? :P
< 1325652204 501220 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yup. And Perl is AWK with more stuff.
< 1325652211 12411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't even do that without knowing what language to write sg in
< 1325652214 6440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no way, @ isn't textual
< 1325652218 993294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just gimme the start of the README or something
< 1325652220 577827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LICENSE
< 1325652220 894184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I probably would write it if I could think of an appropriate language
< 1325652226 200018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in spirit, if not in a more strict sense)
< 1325652233 574844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely, @'s /comments/ can contain textual data, though?
< 1325652236 809871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have to be the first 32 bits does it?
< 1325652247 279271 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the bits have to be consecutive?
< 1325652248 708545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just need to start with the bits that mean "comment", then the content of the comment
< 1325652254 313903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm giving you the bit format of it, certainly it's not going to start with a packed UTF-8 string
< 1325652276 703732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I'd be trying to implement sg more actively if I remembered what the most recent model was
< 1325652292 885642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, Perl does have things like AWK
< 1325652298 503534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I'd draw a picture of it if I were any good at drawing
< 1325652300 313757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Perl can be used for text processing too
< 1325652321 54590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just use LaTeX or something, there's diagram packages
< 1325652330 12376 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, if it's designed for anything, that's what it's designed for.
< 1325652331 98304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd have to learn them
< 1325652383 536919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, you're trying to do something successfully without learning!
< 1325652387 903304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To draw pictures, you can also use ImageMagick, GIMP, Microsoft Paint, METAFONT, SVG, ... depend what you make. I think there is some GNU diagram program to make diagrams, or something like that
< 1325652388 220348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck, nobody has ever managed that.
< 1325652398 246791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1325652406 5571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying /not/ to do something, to avoid having to learn how
< 1325652457 818147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's reasonable, right?
< 1325652466 66338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to think METAFONT and ImageMagick combined can make draw picture good for many uses.
< 1325652501 393682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does all his drawing in php
< 1325652542 15573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, PHP does have drawing function too.
< 1325652608 461635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done job asked by some other people, making program in PHP to draw pie charts.
< 1325653540 378705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've been programming for ~8 years.
< 1325653746 280468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, only 8..
< 1325653759 100752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently programming is about quality not quantity
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< 1325653872 172330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: 8 years is a pretty long time to do one thing.
< 1325653891 146444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything over 8 would be stretching it a bit, anyway; I doubt I would have been very good at programming at 7.
< 1325653895 821924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to say I was any good at it at 8.)
< 1325653895 978388 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is if you actually do that thing instead of pretending to do it
< 1325653970 718513 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Please, like you wrote large, significant things when you were 15. :P
< 1325653985 681351 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never created anything signifigant ever :D
< 1325653996 811824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the art of super procrastination
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< 1325654249 616194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i get it anyway
< 1325654265 900926 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott is referring to programming when he knew how to program
< 1325654275 4300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the screwing around training years
< 1325654638 647513 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you learn all the time. When is the point where you "know how to program" and where you don't? I mean, I think it's somewhat gradual transition. Plus, you always learn new things, so you might think in the future that you didn't know how to program now x3
< 1325654665 576893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325654708 137767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is ~8 years ago
< 1325654751 630564 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: i think the concept of when does a child become an adult is related
< 1325654862 332321 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that's not sudden transition either. Though... some remain children in some ways for a long time :D
< 1325654880 200403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: for someone like me, the process is about realizing i am not yet a programmer
< 1325654887 576352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having my ego smacked down
< 1325654903 964854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that bastard cryst_eheh_heh
< 1325654914 41934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a chatroom in a distant land
< 1325654932 927500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm nevermind :D
< 1325654938 827251 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really consider myself anything that much, I just keep making stuff as best as I can and that's it. I don't need any label to do what I do. 
< 1325654986 162788 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I constantly think things I do are horrible anyway so... x3 It helps to improve them though
< 1325655006 703850 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or throw into garbage and redo from scratch
< 1325655153 795313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see myself as more of the john romero type.. except not as cool as him
< 1325655172 333795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> so elliott is referring to programming when he knew how to program
< 1325655172 490213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> not the screwing around training years
< 1325655172 808304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1325655190 792366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I programmed when I was 8 but I didn't know how to program when I was 8 :p
< 1325655200 825071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325655208 713272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it like learning to speak?
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< 1325655283 845892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. Maybe a foreign language, but I've never learned one.
< 1325655290 103339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to find out what it's like would be to do it.
< 1325655308 745194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.. ^s/speak/read
< 1325655344 214702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know how to program for maybe like a year? if he understands elliott correctly.
< 1325655357 107443 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmmm, a few months.
< 1325655368 930213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i screwed around in qbasic 1.0 with the help files at first
< 1325655384 639754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh, you think you know how to program! how long ago did you start programming?
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< 1325655396 900282 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 15. so, 5 years ago.
< 1325655406 594108 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1325655409 56245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: congratulations, you're in your 5th year of not knowing how to program :) 
< 1325655417 844097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how to program either.
< 1325655427 831035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when does one learn to program, great sensei. :P
< 1325655445 828588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't.
< 1325655451 936046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one is programmers?
< 1325655461 393982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we do?
< 1325655468 584975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we're programmer
< 1325655469 59079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1325655469 850976 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is shot web?
< 1325655479 983700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy i knew, he wanted to teach me stuff... he basically knocked me out of the ring when teaching me to try to actually make 2d games in c for windows
< 1325655505 707622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like *pow* *pow pow pow*
< 1325655510 45322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325655513 698432 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you think of it as a competition?
< 1325655524 747786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because that's the only way he can frame it as losing
< 1325655526 171961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because im an asshole
< 1325655542 118567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: observe him attempting to lose your question ^
< 1325655551 508636 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol elliott
< 1325655581 916046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm making a funny joke
< 1325655582 74748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't think I've mastered programming by any means, nor do I have very much experience with good program design. But I feel that the past 5 years count for something.
< 1325655647 127624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few weeks in, I remember asking #python what a delimiter was. :P
< 1325655659 544558 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used this word "delimiter" in the split method thing and I didn't know what that meant.
< 1325655772 906040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written part of a D&D prestige class called "Aberration Saver" that corresponds to the organization called "Aberration Saver"; I also wrote the title of a prestige class "Celestial Saver" and of spells "Circling the Square" and "Confuse Time" and "Confuse Objects" and of feats "Minimize Spell".
< 1325655802 801782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add one class for calculus or category theory or something like that, too.
< 1325655906 593193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1325655925 678559 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :motivic cohomology
< 1325656124 600756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should clean my room some day
< 1325656142 362761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what do you have to do right now?
< 1325656144 397924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not clean it now?
< 1325656189 85579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can wait a little longer..
< 1325656189 718954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(rand(2)?'clean room":"definitely clean room"
< 1325656192 507461 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at /tmp/input.2326 line 1.
< 1325656198 813817 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(rand(2)?'clean room':"definitely clean room"
< 1325656199 514228 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.2368 line 1, at EOF \ Execution of /tmp/input.2368 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325656215 562547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print (int(rand(2)?'clean room':"definitely clean room")
< 1325656216 61268 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.2431 line 1, at EOF \ Execution of /tmp/input.2431 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325656218 159836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1325656245 634022 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(rand(2)?'clean room':"definitely clean room"
< 1325656246 164994 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.2508 line 1, at EOF \ Execution of /tmp/input.2508 aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1325656247 517708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olwkeojsdfoijiowejr
< 1325656263 518402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325656267 614175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print int(rand(2))?'clean room':"definitely clean room"
< 1325656268 248733 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely clean room
< 1325656269 50250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1325656353 474783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325656764 864353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seek feedback on this http://pastebin.ca/2098801
< 1325657169 378906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in contrast with that scheme, an idea i am thinking about is http://pastebin.ca/2098804
< 1325657451 910892 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1325657498 309841 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325657543 263053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding the instructions {"w","a","s","d"} to change the current cell in the io matrix
< 1325657560 538528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mirrored to http://sprunge.us/GdOR, http://sprunge.us/UNSd)
< 1325657577 31146 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325657582 867068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you initialise the io matrix
< 1325657588 894991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF IO is based on one-dimensional bytestrings
< 1325657596 854771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you turn the input into a matrix?
< 1325657679 167735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. by violating everything near and dear about esolangs heheh
< 1325657724 49627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one analogy for what i have dubbed the io matrix is a bitmap
< 1325657784 125219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all the input and output would act upon a bitmap
< 1325657828 679045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check out paintfuck
< 1325657831 969555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same thing but bitmap bf all the same
< 1325657848 603069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had the idea of a frame updating operator
< 1325657924 928547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, wwwwaaaassssdddd would theoretically move a cursor of sorts in a box shape in the bitmap, and then an extra operator such as "e" would tell it to update
< 1325657995 261464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so   ,w.w.w.w.a.a.a.a.s.s.s.s.d.d.d.d.e!# would theroetically draw a box made of #
< 1325658054 344499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lack of comprehension of bf's [ and ] operators is probably signifigant at this stage :P
< 1325658063 800695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't really matter
< 1325658178 422048 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm paintfuck seems to embody the idea of wasd as nsew 
< 1325658270 766740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> so   ,w.w.w.w.a.a.a.a.s.s.s.s.d.d.d.d.e!# would theroetically draw a box made of #
< 1325658273 438884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a valid brainfuck program
< 1325658278 341799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is just a notational convenience for /interpreters/
< 1325658282 236705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifies input
< 1325658287 781695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1325658290 783369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to compute the ascii value of ! manually intsead
< 1325658294 10770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see what you mean here
< 1325658303 430921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since... my input is my bitmap
< 1325658314 813312 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really have my cake and eat it
< 1325658315 11719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, most interpreters don't support it -- it originated with the dbfi self-interpreter, which was forced to use such a scheme because it's all bf itself can host)
< 1325658399 873844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1325658448 857870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1325658449 16959 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1325658477 799026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++w.w.w.w.a.a.a.a.s.s.s.s.d.d.d.d.e  :-D
< 1325658519 269548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should focus on paintfuck direction notation
< 1325658602 685215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++n.n.n.n.e.e.e.e.s.s.s.s.w.w.w.w.q  (where q = some kind of.. end of frame/cellular automaton iteration operator)
< 1325658650 774700 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some idea about a chess variant with an infinite number of rules. But I have different idea, which is a chess variant where the number of kind of pieces is exactly googolplex. You could have a 10x10 board indicating possible jumps, in each cell put a number 0 to 9. For each possible configuration of this board, assign a number 0 to 9. Each possible set of these value is the kind of piece. Its Haskell type would be:  ((Ten, Ten) -> Ten) -
< 1325658833 296906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"q" is really intended here along the lines of vsync as if to say, the data is ready
< 1325658851 492874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not like vsync.. but sort of like it
< 1325659069 776530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38
< 1325659110 977357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another goal i have in mind with such things is to use such a language to control a memory mapped array inside a given program
< 1325659173 941605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the more i think about it the more ridiculous it seems
< 1325659600 804682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this "memory mapped array" might look like:   cell 0 = player1 paddle position, cell 1 = player2 paddle position, cell 3 = player1 points, cell 4 = player2 points, cell 5 = ball x position, cell 6 = ball y position
< 1325660002 533110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> "q" is really intended here along the lines of vsync as if to say, the data is ready
< 1325660009 486396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called blitting... or flipping the buffer... or w/e
< 1325660024 841342 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1325660189 796465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really a perverted goal of writing pong in a brainfuck derivative
< 1325660207 377926 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. not the entire pong, but the logic of it
< 1325660336 82849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to admit paintfuck is very curious
< 1325660470 18878 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP
< 1325660863 422528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't truely be a BF programmer until i master the [ and ]
< 1325661082 455755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi
< 1325661102 464543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325661106 622650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo
< 1325661107 297624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1325661166 346593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i just descended into
< 1325661170 945942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the furthest depths possible
< 1325661176 107176 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit it
< 1325661178 421214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something productive
< 1325661189 858569 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like me
< 1325661194 653571 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting aorund watching SC2 games.
< 1325661196 904486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/41976/question-title-that-doesnt-describe-the-problem
< 1325661198 822654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read
< 1325661199 456365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this
< 1325661201 151828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paragon of productivity.
< 1325661204 987703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have hit absolute rock bottom
< 1325661208 255492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1325661209 403120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1325661211 977806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually really funny
< 1325661240 763821 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's terrible
< 1325661251 147078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stepped in SO culture.
< 1325661262 778006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your face
< 1325661265 423374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qez
< 1325661278 402894 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is qez like qed but cooler.
< 1325661341 679523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1325661427 663541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$.butterfly({ aLongList: ofParameters, whichAre: notExplained
< 1325661429 416065 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :});
< 1325661488 276034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are so many things in this that are like...
< 1325661493 344789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-deprecating.
< 1325661500 798918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SO culture is to self-deprecate itself.
< 1325661562 85267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: metastackoverflow is about 65% experienced users complaining about the terrible quality of most of the questions/answers
< 1325661572 573466 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1325661647 611001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pollyanna even a user?
< 1325661780 798644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: renamed
< 1325661786 280042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@-references don't get updated when names change
< 1325661786 595994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1325661786 912808 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1325661789 493285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infer from context appropriately :P
< 1325661800 25720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they really should get rewritten but i guess it's too heuristicy)
< 1325661877 886388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/
< 1325661879 35179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss
< 1325661882 868956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what I've been looking for.
< 1325661914 718822 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently pollyanna is adam davis
< 1325661943 122467 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/9563/all-recursive-algorithms-are-inherently-not-inplace-isnt-it
< 1325661947 709845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
< 1325661958 611689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This question has an open bounty worth +50 reputation from Alan Turing ending in 7 days."
< 1325661960 831209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't see that every day
< 1325661966 806222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks turing
< 1325661973 450302 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously all of those recursive tree algorithms in the STL are not in-place.
< 1325662084 117328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cstheory stackexchange doesn't get a lot of answers
< 1325662088 455756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THIS IS YOUR GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY
< 1325662093 305411 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO BECOME MASTER OF CSTHEORY STACKEXCHANGE
< 1325662096 307057 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE REP
< 1325662098 565881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU COULD BE NUMBER 1
< 1325662161 255962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Porn Univeristy Of Blow Job"
< 1325662175 589675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even searches for that sort of thing? it's unlikely to be worded exactly like that even without the typo
< 1325662235 622831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what findthisall.com is actually for, given that it's trying so hard to drive traffic to itself
< 1325662263 223326 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh, what are you talking about. :P
< 1325662270 741789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: wiki spam
< 1325662275 379874 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1325662327 776200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, my degree is from the Porn University of Blow Job
< 1325662354 529059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blow Job is a wonderful little down, and I understand Adam Porn, the university's founder, was a very generous man indeed
< 1325662355 992854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*town
< 1325662361 505761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325662370 114487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, findthisall.com is responsible for about half the spam the wiki gets
< 1325662382 74494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's graue's email?
< 1325662398 354784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the domain's oceanbase.org, you can probably guess the rest
< 1325662408 976226 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blow Job is a wonderful little down the way
< 1325662431 433478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if we even had a spam blacklist, I could just put findthisall.com on it
< 1325662433 116657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't
< 1325662474 293311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has the wikispam been going on? has to be at least two months by now, surely?
< 1325662508 851166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake TOPIC #esoteric :TODO: spam blacklist | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1325662527 233291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a bot should be developed which posts wiki edit titles into the channel, and a capacity to delete those wiki edits
< 1325662538 192180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :findthisall.com started on 15th november 2011
< 1325662540 947761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes let's spam the wiki and the channel at the same time
< 1325662542 571933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :great idea.
< 1325662566 735300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other spambot that we have a lot started rather earlier, but it's harder to block in an automated way
< 1325662765 860707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends an email off to graue
< 1325662775 541140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we try and trick the spambots into spamming Graue if he doesn't reply :)
< 1325662908 991343 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the names/ids of every element on every page.
< 1325662922 557141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bots won't know where to find anything.
< 1325662989 228064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it doesn't really work like that...
< 1325663013 583860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides kallisti needs to learn more about spamming software for reasons :)
< 1325663026 765859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the bots are breaking the CAPTCHA
< 1325663036 979318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does it not work like that.
< 1325663046 364845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapping the IDs for captcha answer and edit summary would probably work
< 1325663065 296588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the bots probably wouldn't notice that they'd swapped round, and they certainly aren't spamming the CAPTCHA answer into every text box on the page
< 1325663076 138862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I rather suspect they might go on element order
< 1325663084 185741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even rendered size
< 1325663086 86448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's possible too
< 1325663093 428582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they might search for known text around the boxes
< 1325663099 224231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like usage information and field labels
< 1325663107 982794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :site admins really won't want to mess with those, after all
< 1325663110 240586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a little advanced for a spambot
< 1325663125 648765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they just aim at low-hanging fruit
< 1325663133 945966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aren't you little short for a spambot."
< 1325663141 233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, Esolang must be reeling in billions for them :P
< 1325663149 715939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise they're not specifically targeting Esolang)
< 1325663174 642779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you're expecting far too much from spambots.
< 1325663176 596206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm curious
< 1325663177 667091 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe /some/ do that.
< 1325663181 548578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION visits findthisall.com in w3m
< 1325663191 495869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if its purpose is to spread malware, I bet it doesn't spread it via w3m on Linux
< 1325663207 110923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even if that combination is vulnerable, the chance that anyone would bother to try an exploit for it is basically 0
< 1325663222 648430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if it's element order (which is pretty likely as well) then you can just add some hidden elements somewhere
< 1325663249 82390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's a list of searches it guesses I might be using, and some results
< 1325663252 504102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although quite a few of them are empty
< 1325663254 886141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden elements, which they ignore, since they try to approximate what a user would do.
< 1325663255 739200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an embarassing homepage
< 1325663267 261783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for INTERCAL
< 1325663281 688843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're not looking for High Quality Euro Watches? 
< 1325663300 96023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, many of the results are just random URLs with irrelevant descriptions and INTERCAL worked into them somewhere
< 1325663305 890772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to be a clearinghouse for spam links
< 1325663323 34967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's nothing but sponsored referrals
< 1325663335 521422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i visited it, it's boring
< 1325663337 983287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Check results for INTERCAL on our free comparison site"
< 1325663355 33389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1325663364 111477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pointless thing to spam
< 1325663383 276207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I say you tias
< 1325663392 593935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you may be pleasantly surprised at how dumb spambots actually are.
< 1325663396 758691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're relying on people searching for a term, finding findthisall.com, then completely forgetting what they were looking for and clicking on one of its links because they look interesting
< 1325663414 273633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, every distinct website I visit increases the chance that one of them has a w3m exploit
< 1325663417 731478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by you and I mean the owner of the wiki.
< 1325663433 567891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh, you mean change the wiki layout?
< 1325663434 678863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't
< 1325663440 351104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1325663442 682066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I figured.
< 1325663442 840289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several obvious solutions to the current rash of spam
< 1325663451 546937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but graue isn't implementing any of them, or even responding to emails
< 1325663464 77554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yay, I should hit the last SO privilege level before the 3 ridiculously huge ones today
< 1325663478 522275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You want information about search engine optimization and you would like to have it in a easy to understand format. If this is the case, this article will be perfect for you. We will lay out some of the most important tips and guidelines, in a way that you can quickly digest. The main thing to remember is that you need a solid strategy for which %LINK1% you'll be using, and how you'll use them, but we'll get to that in a moment."
< 1325663481 722204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it goes 5000, 10000, 15000, 20000)
< 1325663489 828161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the 5000 level do?
< 1325663509 620591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are you going to hit the top privelege level then delete the entire site?
< 1325663510 255685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allows me to vote on suggested post edits and approve tag wiki edits
< 1325663515 924198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's my master plan
< 1325663519 252377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like EVE Online scammers?
< 1325663572 659359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10000 gets you moderation privileges like delete votes, handling flags, viewing deleted posts, etc.; 15000 lets you protect questions; 20000 lets you vote to delete answers, delete closed questions, edit tag wikis arbitrarily)
< 1325663593 238805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's some secret level above those that lets you delete the site
< 1325663597 715279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only be logical
< 1325663621 844550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"delete votes"? that sounds abusable
< 1325663627 32585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the 10k rep privileges are kind of like wikipedia making people admins when they hit a certain edit count
< 1325663632 984759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it let you delete downvotes aimed at you?
< 1325663638 140559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not really, since people have to vote and accept your stuff to raise rep :)
< 1325663643 534108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cast delete votes, that is
< 1325663646 400745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. cast votes to delete questions
< 1325663648 619328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1325663657 892590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also cast votes to not delete, I take it?
< 1325663673 570099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of the voting systems work that way, they're mostly just 5 people -> action taken
< 1325663679 604273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it takes 5 close votes to close a question
< 1325663683 439848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1325663705 654314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need a good amount of rep to cast them in the first place
< 1325663712 292910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the chances of a high-quality question being closed like that are low
< 1325663738 935986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 5 people with the ability to cast delete votes could delete the whole site, one question at a time
< 1325663757 308824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325663805 580889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I'm one of the few people in the world with enough technical knowledge to delete Wikipedia's Main Page correctly, if I had admin privileges
< 1325663810 901671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing would just get undeleted pretty quickly, though
< 1325663830 21308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused that the safeguards against deleting it are so much higher than the safeguards against editing it
< 1325663838 16054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You've mentioned this before, in fact. Are you sure you're not harboring some Main Page deletion fantasies? 
< 1325663850 753539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's talked about it at least 3 or 4 times.
< 1325663857 128434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's because I've been trying to persuade Wikipedia to move it to Portal:Main for ages
< 1325663861 288401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I gave up after a while
< 1325663862 951575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Department of Wikiland Security may be in touch.
< 1325663869 192474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose I should claim that's the reason I left
< 1325663872 702227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can delete Esolang's main page. Nobody will notice if you just do it for a few minutes.
< 1325663877 345510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't keep your urges cooped up inside.
< 1325663882 299447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's always a big debate about "can you actually /do/ that?"
< 1325663889 489444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is "yes, if you know how, it's actually quite easy"
< 1325663894 992739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody ever believes me
< 1325663923 467774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The one thing I must do with my life is to become a producer of creative works of sufficient notability that an article on any major work I create is guaranteed, and then to release such a work and title it Main Page.
< 1325663935 92935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1325663977 580752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to have a universe sandbox so I can see what would happen before I commit to actually going to all that effort to making it happen.
< 1325664013 752206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you know you're not in one at the moment, and simply held back your memories of the outside whilst inside it, in order to make sure you acted plausibly
< 1325664031 21661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if that is the case, I salute its creator
< 1325664033 290869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :godspeed, me
< 1325664050 232398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's inevitable that I /will/ end up doing all that, because it's specified in the parameters
< 1325664054 758399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't have to devote any effort to actually doing it
< 1325664069 944814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the simplest way this will happen is for me to change my mind and devote effort to it
< 1325664076 940808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Jimbo Wales' editcount is /under 9000/?
< 1325664088 990064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you expect it to be high?
< 1325664093 284769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of what he does doesn't require actual edits
< 1325664096 714968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he isn't even in charge any more
< 1325664108 506896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he preferred to use a mailing list to wiki talk pages for discusison
< 1325664110 240856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*discussion
< 1325664116 331606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, I think, a mistake
< 1325664123 146117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's been 11 years
< 1325664127 264202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can aim for the low-hanging fruit and just design an esolang called "Main Page".
< 1325664131 999731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's made under 818 edits per year
< 1325664150 375338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems abnormally low for a founder who at least participated /moderately/ actively for a good while
< 1325664171 307024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you really think any of us would object to putting a dab on our main page for that?
< 1325664181 125945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just link the trilime to it :P
< 1325664233 382996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that "I have plans for this file!" mean? 
< 1325664273 910772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I uploaded it to put it on my Main Page redesign.
< 1325664281 186484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't hotlink it from the theme files.
< 1325664298 495266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I had to upload it before anyone actually knew about the redesign, though, to test it :p
< 1325664331 868475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&direction=next&oldid=21677
< 1325664343 878630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the last few edits before I replaced it were adding more "of the day"s
< 1325664348 142796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reached critical mass
< 1325664398 655372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[User:Fydo851ts563n‎]]
< 1325664401 4937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does the trilime symbolize? 
< 1325664405 5705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nobody knows
< 1325664420 116177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1325664422 176604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap
< 1325664427 86948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie: the trilime is the matrix of solidity
< 1325664427 245396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: deleted
< 1325664436 146557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but, umm, what?
< 1325664444 226002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates us hearing about the matrix of solidity
< 1325664451 46735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly!
< 1325664457 445089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you seriously believe the matrix of solidity didn't exist before we heard about it?
< 1325664458 252792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear time is no boundary for the matrix of solidity? 
< 1325664459 997890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're /trapped/ in it
< 1325664464 635144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :further evidence: 1. limes are solid  2. if not the trilime, what else?
< 1325664467 845291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/trapped/locked/
< 1325664494 18132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I suppose you could argue we're consensually locked
< 1325664496 117471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1325664510 293498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you're underage!
< 1325664520 110629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not in the matrix of solidity!
< 1325664527 961981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the Postfix program at host pendrell.textdrive.com.
< 1325664528 119894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
< 1325664528 276512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
< 1325664528 276702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
< 1325664528 276812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
< 1325664528 436376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete your own text from the attached returned message.
< 1325664530 377307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       The Postfix program
< 1325664532 486118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<graue-deadnet@pendrell.textdrive.com>: maildir delivery failed: error writing
< 1325664534 387293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   message: Disc quota exceeded
< 1325664536 446952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you lied to me
< 1325664570 838707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, that's the last known email address for Graue
< 1325664578 113169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get an error about it when I sent there
< 1325664582 272083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it /is/ his email address
< 1325664584 502370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he no longer reads it
< 1325664591 145103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his disc quota has entirely filled up with mail
< 1325664597 291910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining why I didn't get a bounce on my last email, but you did
< 1325664600 978108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email of the day: "Uh, we have this exam for this course you're the assistant for tomorrow, do you have any idea who's preparing the questions?" "Er... the lecturer of the course flew to Tokio a week ago, left his laptop at home, and won't be back until the 16th..."
< 1325664613 302728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: searching elsewhere, scott at the same domain seems to be his email address too
< 1325664619 438496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that you're not going to get "disc quota exceeded" unless it can identify the user in question
< 1325664622 227348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you going to try it?
< 1325664625 513307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe!
< 1325664642 474517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, I'll find out where he lives and take a crowbar
< 1325664674 264205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent, let's see if it bounces
< 1325664763 932129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: theory: graue likes spambots
< 1325664781 356059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you explain the ban on <div>?
< 1325664784 670454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I got nominated to prepare an exam. "Oh well, let's check the previous one for ideas and the TeX template... bash: cd: edu/T-61.5140/exam: Permission denied"
< 1325664793 479029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he also hates div and span tags
< 1325664806 660128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D
< 1325664813 351771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's SPAMbots he likes, not SPANbots.
< 1325664820 56614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ("Tokio".)
< 1325664835 17245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoops; went with the Finnish spelling.
< 1325664871 486614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe i should sleep
< 1325664877 150246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll ask ais523 whether i should sleep
< 1325664888 856872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I should sleep myself
< 1325664891 909545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I keep getting distracted
< 1325664903 39214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or I should stay awake until a sensible time to sleep and then sleep
< 1325664911 202173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I need to be awake at about 7pm
< 1325664916 123793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drwx--S--- 3 [lecturer's account] edu 7168 2011-11-10 12:20 edu/T-61.5140/exam/" well that's just impolite.
< 1325664920 545387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I don't go to sleep soon, I won't have time to fit in a good day's sleep
< 1325664929 510170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: setgid? why?
< 1325664934 540320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a group that doesn't exist?
< 1325664943 781272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the edu group not exist?
< 1325664947 505315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? The 'edu' group exists just fine.
< 1325664952 459919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inherited from the parent, probably.
< 1325664968 87727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can't you just use a root escalation?
< 1325664980 210258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I read edu as the user, and 7168 as the group
< 1325665002 245099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; right, I redacted the user.
< 1325665010 533829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To protect the guilty, and so on.
< 1325665049 392382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, the student-run exam archive probably has scanned copies of the old exams anyway.
< 1325665072 406247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the 2011 ones, apparently.)
< 1325665225 946841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wish the students could see this, it'd be so reassuring for them.
< 1325665282 65281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should somehow work the channel into one of the questions, e.g. "Alice connects to her favourite IRC network irc.freenode.net and joins #esoteric. Bob sends her an automated welcome message. What is 2 + 2?"
< 1325665376 753148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325665382 211716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a re-re-exam anyway; the "main" one was last May, and a repeat opportunity last August; this one is just for the stragglers.
< 1325665409 480989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three people have signed up for it, though I suppose there could always be a couple extra; signing up is in theory mandatory, in practice not.
< 1325665429 131039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much can three people matter? Wait, no, not three people: three students.
< 1325665442 538656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three smelly, unwashed students. (Disclaimer: they might not smell.)
< 1325665452 782214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should just not give them an exam and they'll be so happy. Probably.
< 1325665468 859520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is this an exam?" (correct answer "no")
< 1325665570 515716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i just got another upvote
< 1325665574 687307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i _will_ sleep after all
< 1325665584 93036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cue ais523)
< 1325665597 432154 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why'd the lecturer leave his laptop at home and how do you know this? (I presume it wasn't an accident or you wouldn't know about it, unless he called you or something.)
< 1325665658 399044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lecturer was Deewiant all along.
< 1325665666 122602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is Deewiant still even at that place? Finland is so confusing.)
< 1325665687 824674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm at that place for a sufficiently broad value of "that place".
< 1325665732 145910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: University thingy thingy Google Wave. Without the Google part.
< 1325665737 458419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Finland might merge with Google in the coming years.
< 1325665761 831129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm at that university.
< 1325665780 683519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't you been there, like, ten years now? FINLAND.
< 1325665788 65439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: He emailed me on 28th (of December) that "I'll be leaving for Tokyo tomorrow, back on Jan 16th, not going to take a computer with me, could you kindly update next year's details on the course's website?" Had (apparently; we haven't managed to contact him) completely forgotten about any exam.
< 1325665806 142112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guess it's borderline possible he'd have a ready exam in his office? Though probably not very likely.
< 1325665821 954995 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Worth a shot I guess.
< 1325665826 831892 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like four, I think.
< 1325665832 59212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell doesn't take a computer with them?
< 1325665841 168526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like "I'm not taking clothes, or oxygen."
< 1325665842 117899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's called a va-cay-shun.
< 1325665852 902321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naked space vacuum vacation.
< 1325665859 19469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The term is "holiday", foreigner.)
< 1325665867 520141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i just got another update!
< 1325665869 411515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy day.
< 1325665875 666894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should sleep, i don't need you to be awake to entertain me since i'm sleeping
< 1325665879 826281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*upvote
< 1325665961 281998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, he's not answering his phone either, so I think it's the "unplugged" sort of a holiday. (I mean, don't people usually go to Tokyo to get rid of the hussle and bustle of civilization?)
< 1325665983 155688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hussel-bussel. Anyway.
< 1325666006 164087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tokyo, the last uncharted wilderness. And so on.
< 1325666041 892709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you even get an Internet connection there? Maybe with a satellite phone...)
< 1325666066 438904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time believing it's possible to cross the street without a smartphone in Tokyo.
< 1325666155 882217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 fell asleep.
< 1325666175 195267 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: On an unrelated note, your ICS user web page is old enough that it's full of dead links.
< 1325666199 62232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm still awake
< 1325666201 45563 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take computer to vacation.
< 1325666211 964226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do take books, pencil, paper.
< 1325666237 921256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take telephone to vacation either.
< 1325666255 919747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you suggesting he adopt the FASCIST AALTO TEMPLATE? (I assume they have a template. It is possible they have a template. A template... might exist?)
< 1325666271 954718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who the fuck calls a university Wave?!)
< 1325666274 707244 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He's using an out-of-date template.
< 1325666298 995335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, it's like the Confederate flag.
< 1325666307 872677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You just can't handle: FREEDOM.
< 1325666343 458229 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying he should use the new template, making up his own stuff is fine by me too.
< 1325666424 758797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should tile whatever logo you guys used before Aalto as the background.
< 1325666540 482183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he went to Tokyo to DRIFT RACE. I've understood that's kind of what they do there.
< 1325666566 514929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have cars in Finland?
< 1325666583 417453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horse-driven snowmobiles.
< 1325666593 235543 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some use polar bears.
< 1325666689 46446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when the two kinds meet there are... accidents.
< 1325666711 747800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope Finland is actually like that.
< 1325666744 6307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's a question for you: is efficient /// compilation (to a "standard" language, like C) possible?
< 1325666750 420547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be so disappointed when your government finally exiles you here.
< 1325666768 418267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm
< 1325666774 899813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of an obvious way, but I'm not convinced it's impossible
< 1325666821 596364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's self-modifying, but at least code only modifies code /after/ it
< 1325666831 258081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., a replacement never does anything to /itself/
< 1325666967 420632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You should fix the Perl /// interpreter (per http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Slashes) :P
< 1325666967 615483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325667028 109127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to make (Functor (forall x y. f x y)) to be a constraint but it doesn't seems to work
< 1325667077 810213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q="matrix+of+solidity"
< 1325667091 147009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it is expected kind `*' but `f x y' has kind `* -> *'
< 1325667148 142767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't have instances like that afaik
< 1325667159 404015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's impossible to say the real error without knowing context
< 1325667229 831733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i like how we are second place
< 1325667269 424390 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually surprising we aren't first place
< 1325667272 324158 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doesn't it have like the (,) functor and (->) functors have one additional type argument for all type of kind (*)
< 1325667290 77550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ill try a better search engine
< 1325667333 498116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duckduckgo drops the ball on this one
< 1325667356 4528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bing drops the ball on this one
< 1325667394 943292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why the hell is it 9 am?
< 1325667409 263629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaues it's almost 9am
< 1325667462 440039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lifeoflight.com/channellinglibrary/merlin/533.html beloved beloved beloved
< 1325667861 690985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: becaues?
< 1325667874 832192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/whatever/whatever/
< 1325667901 451039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, we need a quick and easy to type way to say "just fix all the typos in what I've said recently"
< 1325667904 349372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest * on a line by itself
< 1325667960 497228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/typed/intended
< 1325667961 982904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdiojf oe hefu ahfhiwe
< 1325667963 278442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1325668003 373024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, i have to sleep now, or i'll end up sleeping at some even more terrible time
< 1325668024 478531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wake me up before it gets too late, please, thanks
< 1325668037 303973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its a form of courtesy
< 1325668054 694622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a form of acknowledging ones typos
< 1325668136 329468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1325668201 484908 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how can I make constraints and classes that put multiple parameters in?
< 1325668335 25305 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, MPTCs?
< 1325668344 822087 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your question is more advanced than that
< 1325668355 436321 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes my question is more advanced than that
< 1325668446 294400 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1325668809 411064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vis a vis my http://sprunge.us/GdOR and http://sprunge.us/UNSd i would say
< 1325669001 84108 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck and boolfuck use bf tape and io streams
< 1325669033 342460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallfuck uses bf tape
< 1325669073 414744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck uses bf matrix
< 1325669180 309351 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1325669249 728755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i had in mind is to use bf tape and io matrix
< 1325669962 795619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1325670020 96519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next insight here is that in such an io matrix, the pointer should have dimensions in addition to position
< 1325670235 890781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that can position the pointer at (x,y) and stretch it to (width, height) and do an operation on that like increment, decrement or write a specific value to them all.
< 1325670483 280517 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the left zero law for MonadPlus implied by the other Monad and Functor laws and by the type signatures?
< 1325670916 677881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which laws? I can't think of one that would be related.
< 1325670939 77475 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs mzero, which isn't defined anywhere else.
< 1325671661 587780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzero :: m a, where it must work for any argument type. Which means that fmap on it must not affect it since there can be no value to affect (since fmap id = id, it cannot do other things), which means join on such a thing must be same too (join mzero = mzero) due to the (>>= return) = id law.
< 1325671704 26190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I do it wrong?
< 1325671755 376794 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that the class methods must be fully defined, of course)
< 1325671893 680362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm, but then is that because of other laws or simply because mzero :: m a ?
< 1325671965 403167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is due to the functor laws. The (>>= return) law seem to imply that if fmap cannot affect something, then join cannot affect it either.
< 1325672244 733592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean its value remain unaffected)
< 1325672389 880210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I guess so?
< 1325672394 191547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too metamath for me. :P
< 1325672435 509602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what causes 2 + 2 = 4?  is it the 4, the +, the =, the left 2, or the right 2?
< 1325672525 407846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is the + that causes 2 + 2 to make 4
< 1325672664 487782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1325672682 222531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the whole expression depends on its parts.
< 1325672701 321380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I think what you're saying makes sense as well.
< 1325672712 851759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree with that. Still, the main thing that causes addition to result in an answer is the addition.
< 1325672733 388551 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course it won't work if you don't have something to add!
< 1325672750 502858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1+1) + (1 + 1) = (1 + 1 + 1 + 1)
< 1325672772 554878 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if equality were defined differently you would not be able to say the same thing about the value of 4.
< 1325672773 825792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That's different; it is caused by associative laws.
< 1325672791 196452 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, that too.
< 1325673074 615496 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm not sure that they're connected anyway.
< 1325673093 495118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the zero law is just stemming from the simple fact that mplus and mzero form a monoid.
< 1325673134 178214 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say it's a result of mplus in much the same way that 4 is the result of addition in the expression 2 + 2. if you want to think of it that way.
< 1325673235 904950 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if mplus had a default definition, with mzero being the minimal complete definition.
< 1325673262 532763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't think so. The identity law (mplus mzero = flip mplus mzero = id) follow from a monoid, but left zero law (mzero >> x = mzero) is difference, it is a bit like multiplication but not really.
< 1325673306 603952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by left zero law I thought you meant mzero `mplus` x = mzero
< 1325673326 457825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that is called the left identity law.
< 1325673368 589496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can understand my other comments and proof now that you know what I meant by left zero law.
< 1325673378 421590 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that makes more sense.
< 1325673415 108334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. here I was, getting all philosophical.
< 1325673620 72866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmmm...
< 1325673662 252253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if the left zero law weren't true I don't think left identity for monads could be true either.
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< 1325674249 331579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1325674259 869219 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
< 1325674265 990448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has every desire to write some Template Haskell code very soon
< 1325674272 267034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wwhy?
< 1325674294 299391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either that or writing very repetitive Haskell code
< 1325674300 621891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1325674303 188102 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've already been doing quite a bit of the latter :/
< 1325674311 281743 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I intend to make a binding to the AW SDK
< 1325674324 327543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. maybe,
< 1325674341 757420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :repetitive in what way?
< 1325674413 192610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining data structures in a regular way with a consistent naming pattern, and making consistently named functions that take those data structures as arguments
< 1325674416 465382 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like that
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< 1325674510 656403 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably use a quasiquoter
< 1325674534 422733 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can copy/paste from Aw.h right into the thing without repeated search/replace and whatnot
< 1325674542 818553 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I've been doing quite a bit of these past few days)
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< 1325674867 593623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you sure there's not an abstraction?
< 1325675721 647545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that i have a hidden motive with programming to try to use programming to bridge the gap between required data resources and available financial
< 1325675820 515929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example, 3d scanners, 2d scanners, cameras, video cameras, 3d cameras, motion capture, microphones etc.. all provide a lot of data resources
< 1325675950 279094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the cost of actors, painters, animators, film sets, voice actors to apply all these technologies to
< 1325676121 384137 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract film? :3
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< 1325676208 644440 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: well the idea is quite obvious "aha.. i can simulate all these things with a computer!" but then there is the need for 2d digital artists, animators, 3d modellers, music composers, render farms (in some cases)
< 1325676274 685046 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I just saw an abstraction and actors and such, I'm not really paying attention much ^^' 
< 1325676298 984171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, since i don't understand esolangs i just go off on my own tangents
< 1325676321 353961 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a short abstract (maybe? x3 ) film before though, if you're interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQJYr13Ixew
< 1325676343 58914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my comments are not releveant or related to what was said before
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< 1325677475 443154 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there probably are, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head that's remotely type-safe
< 1325677503 942919 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or thread-safe
< 1325677665 553981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type (c x y -> z) is a indexed comonad for any category c like (x -> z) is for a monoid x
< 1325677680 413442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type (c x y -> z) is a indexed comonad for any category c like (x -> z) is a comonad for a monoid x
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< 1325678844 30231 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed by the language trigger having just read about it
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< 1325678912 365555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^?
< 1325678918 79306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1325678918 235760 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1325678936 436109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?
< 1325678940 969791 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/: Is a directory
< 1325678944 540422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1325678947 316288 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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< 1325684047 498393 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!hello
< 1325684047 691200 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1325684543 782128 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1325684554 840642 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only restarted comp because I was too lazy to clear up the clutter of programs
< 1325684559 84532 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted a fresh start
< 1325684564 661426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now because of it I am noticing c2hs
< 1325684703 316888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was working independantly on a symbol independant thing a few days ago and just encountered the idea on the wiki (probably unconcious plagiarism on my part)
< 1325684708 118170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in this case the idea was
< 1325684732 518356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""    = 0, "x"   = 1 where x is a particular symbol, "xx"  = 2 where x is a particular symbol, "*"     = infinity
< 1325684774 6237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hindsight, the idea of "" = 0 doesn't look so great
< 1325684814 728609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this would be designed to give something like aa+aa=aaaa
< 1325684901 828991 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe to say 'a' = 1, 'b' = 2, 'c' = 3... "abbccc"
< 1325684994 950380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. nevermind..
< 1325685104 750856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what my notion comes down to is that a symbol could encode a number by being a string of that number
< 1325685118 769058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^in length
< 1325685141 26105 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving on...
< 1325685235 225636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see unary numbers like that sometimes; e.g. in sed programs, since it's easy to add them.
< 1325685327 676065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's of course the combination of unary and boring brainfuck derivatives, http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Unary
< 1325685351 748728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once, in a program lost to a hard disk crash, i had this idea of a rock paper scissors game where you could do sequences of rock paper scissors
< 1325685424 255870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i implemented it in c++ with allegro many years before coming here
< 1325685439 251599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a good idea... but hard disks die
< 1325685469 653410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. the idea was.. the 2 players had hitpoints... and different sequences take off different amounts of hitpoints
< 1325685505 252369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rrr, ppp, sss gave you a bonus
< 1325685518 421261 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there was more complicated sequences
< 1325685533 595186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to possibly 8 in length i forget exactly
< 1325685569 434483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the game becomes about trying to complete a long sequence, while preventing the other playing completing a long sequence
< 1325685582 806436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^s/playing/player
< 1325685748 979448 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since uh.. at every round of the game, a rock will beat a scissors
< 1325685800 872700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you can predict what their pattern is you can try to head them off before they complete it
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< 1325686632 134170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.... is a box of Gardasil next to the butter in my fridge.
< 1325686671 588330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my sandwich will be immune to cervical cancer *and* genital warts, I suppose.
< 1325690716 82172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell if I'm tired or not.
< 1325691652 245719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading "What every computer scientist should know about floating-point arithmetic"
< 1325691663 403924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's insane."
< 1325691856 578830 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Floating-point arithmetic is considered an esoteric subject by many."  -- first sentence.
< 1325691880 919041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, because it's nuts.
< 1325691929 659730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, it's designed for good enough accuracy over a wide range of precisions, not precise numerical computation.
< 1325691938 939202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/precisions/magnitudes/
< 1325691978 693838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is rather surprising, because floating-point is ubiquitous in computer systems: Almost every language has a floating-point datatype; computers from PCs to supercomputers have floating-point accelerators; most compilers will be called upon to compile floating-point algorithms from time to time; and virtually every operating system must handle floating-point exceptions such as overflow."
< 1325691984 620661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- second sentence
< 1325692045 939574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll mostly be interested in the compiler and OS sections.
< 1325692069 352380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not the "lol this is how overflow and rounding errors happen lololololo" section
< 1325692173 705849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it discusses the IEEE standard. That will be useful, because I haven't managed to find an open copy of it anywhere.
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< 1325692487 718423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325692665 215275 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Gunnerkrigg court
< 1325692763 44966 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Comments on a Postcard sounds awfully familiar...
< 1325693989 860275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, I now have an (almost; no 5-1) complete set of up to 6-piece Nalimov endgame tablebases.
< 1325694205 69343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, a complete set of 6-piece Nalimov endgame tablebases; tomorrow, the world!
< 1325694667 36754 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the far future, perhaps a seven-piece set.
< 1325695819 323484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kallisti> oh hm it discusses the IEEE standard. That will be useful, because I haven't managed to find an open copy of it anywhere. <-- try IEEE?
< 1325695901 579016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, here: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/mostRecentIssue.jsp?punumber=4610933
< 1325695970 154568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my copy from there, can access it by university proxy, check if your university offers that too (if you study at one, I don't remember). If you don't I'm afraid I'm not allowed to distribute it though, and the pdf is marked with who downloaded it on the bottom of every page.
< 1325696028 474666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can access it via my university.
< 1325696041 114014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, then the problem is solved
< 1325696048 811447 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I can do so on this computer though
< 1325696051 751969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked.
< 1325696068 23910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, my university offers a proxy service for such things, so I can do it from anywhere
< 1325696158 682672 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /r/circlejerk CSS fooled me for a bit
< 1325696222 359129 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can downvote stuff there easy
< 1325696309 499143 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I was referring to
< 1325696590 939138 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what were you referring to, oh wise CSS master?
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< 1325696937 682832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1325696938 39029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1325696966 533708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Graue deleted some spam
< 1325696973 11208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan you owe me one
< 1325696973 170019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325697009 516662 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot derp
< 1325697009 833173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;)
< 1325697041 94875 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran, look at who the commenters are.
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< 1325697082 110998 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot derp, okay?
< 1325697082 269069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1325697195 712895 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's actually pretty impressive CSS
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< 1325699303 174096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi my name is kallisti
< 1325699314 384210 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently earphones do not exist in the future.
< 1325699321 215998 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to watching DS9
< 1325699352 219719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is uncharacteristically watching the entire first season of Trigun.
< 1325699760 760502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have multiple seasons? 
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< 1325699924 185674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan, YOU MAY PAY ME IN BLOOD
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< 1325700079 508678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*
< 1325700079 668084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1325700082 860083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1325700083 177973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 9h 11m 50s ago: You should fix the Perl /// interpreter (per http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Slashes) :P
< 1325700083 336006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 51m 49s ago: you owe me one
< 1325700123 422549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but you used the reverse magical word
< 1325700126 921403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should" that is
< 1325700152 68972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, and then I emailed Graue at the CORRECT ADDRESS unlike everybody else, and got a response, and he deleted spam.
< 1325700161 844592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And says he'll try and do something about it on the weekend.
< 1325700163 156250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN CONCLUSION
< 1325700168 159149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAY IN BLOOD, CORRECTED /// INTERPRETER
< 1325700201 818362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've emailed graue recently at any address, so i don't see the point
< 1325700237 415697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais did, and you whined at least once about Graue being non-responsive :P
< 1325700240 950473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLOOD!!!
< 1325700262 59064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of bloggers out there that do not really comprehend the potential of their blogs; specifically, the money making potential of the blog and how it might be optimized to generate a reliable online income. Here are a number of reasons why anyone may make money blogging. Blogs are becoming increasingly popular due to the fact that they can be put to use for income generation. Online Marketers work with blogs for advertising and marketi
< 1325700262 216846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng and bloggers capitalize on that require and make dollars blogging. So why are blogs so rewarding? Well here are usually four reasons:
< 1325700343 749028 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ffs, it took way too long for me to get the hint
< 1325700346 608576 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this episode)
< 1325700403 207024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1325700432 187905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am slightly worried that there are three admins active and still they missed User:KuzyFueesi
< 1325700461 252815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais uses rss which can reorder things
< 1325700467 29594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about keymaker
< 1325700470 573359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue only deleted one page, though
< 1325700483 349878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 [[User:KuzyFueesi]]
< 1325700483 667644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1325700537 316000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but does it have a 10 cutoff limit like the wordpress blog rss?
< 1325700630 931634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graaa upvote me you people.
< 1325700633 510914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt it's that low.
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< 1325700967 261459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show slashes
< 1325700969 840740 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl (sending via DCC)
< 1325701027 472062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks about techniques for efficient /// implementation
< 1325701047 700878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /test/ho///hm/test
< 1325701049 686009 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho
< 1325701051 590290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store the whole program in a trie somehow
< 1325701057 72739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing you need ordering for is ordering of execution
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< 1325701204 902179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //hm/\??
< 1325701205 376997 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​??
< 1325701263 714242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //h\m/\??
< 1325701264 228917 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1325701454 166222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An article talking partly about J with a J code example from Programming in the 21st Century is #2 on proggit.
< 1325701466 338971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe proggit has merit after all.
< 1325701483 636243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, then I click the comments...
< 1325701484 906449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't read the comments.
< 1325701537 247597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But all the other links are boring!!!!!!
< 1325701538 398359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
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< 1325702646 715835 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1325702807 428509 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1325702975 975144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp slashes
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< 1325702999 185566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp slashesl perl http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/ircslashes.pl
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< 1325703003 129653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1325703006 505979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp slashesl
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< 1325703011 993143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp slashes perl http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/ircslashes.pl
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< 1325703023 91632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //h\m/\??
< 1325703049 25139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /test/ho/test
< 1325703049 539833 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho
< 1325703127 563169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1325703229 626917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show slashes
< 1325703231 730153 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl (sending via DCC)
< 1325703291 505361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels so anemic now
< 1325703383 614048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does anemic even mean
< 1325703412 708125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of red blood cells
< 1325703419 344177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1325703423 355720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean
< 1325703424 784649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that
< 1325703432 213936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed there must be some hidden meaning i was missing for that to make sense
< 1325703452 342590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just paid a blood debt, is all
< 1325703455 201336 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is actually anemic. He really needs to get to a hospital, stat
< 1325703468 227827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh dur
< 1325703496 968882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: a very plausible interpretation.
< 1325703756 522232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \i o f a b -> i $ f (o a) (o b)
< 1325703756 715160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. (flip =<< ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip (.))) . (.) . (.) . (.)
< 1325703759 858197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \a b -> i $ f (o a) (o b)
< 1325703760 173424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i .) . (. o) . f . o
< 1325703776 84369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \a b c -> i $ f (o a) (o b) (o c)
< 1325703776 441426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((i .) .) . flip flip o . ((.) .) . (. o) . f . o
< 1325703780 650302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \a b c d -> i $ f (o a) (o b) (o c) (o d)
< 1325703780 967982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((i .) .) .) . flip flip o . ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . flip flip o . ((.) .) . (. o) . f . o
< 1325703786 323373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1325703832 711522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: needs more on
< 1325703892 703207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the problem with on is that it's just for binary operators...
< 1325703897 795263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?i .: ?f) `on` o
< 1325703898 641569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' against inferred type `Expr'
< 1325703898 799980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `on', namely `o'
< 1325703898 956613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: (?i .: ?f) `on` o
< 1325703901 698868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?i .: ?f) `on` ?o
< 1325703902 650750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a c b a1. (?i::a -> c, ?f::b -> b -> a, ?o::a1 -> b) => a1 -> a1 -> c
< 1325703912 160045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to regularise the scheme a bit so that you can more easily extend to further arguments.
< 1325703919 818546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a la zipWithN vs. ZipList
< 1325703946 989303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe we wrote onN on a previous occasion
< 1325704232 659125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh did we
< 1325704239 973517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't want a typeclass hack
< 1325704241 922854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a more regular scheme
< 1325704271 355916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty runWriter
< 1325704272 228020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall w a. Writer w a -> (a, w)
< 1325704509 829802 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz
< 1325705077 562899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM!
< 1325705082 718909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let onMore c f o a = c (f (o a)) o; onEnd f _ = f in onMore (onMore onEnd)
< 1325705083 421125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. (t2 -> t2 -> t) -> (t1 -> t2) -> t1 -> t1 -> t
< 1325705105 772502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: regular enough? :)
< 1325705128 447914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let onMore c f o a = c (f (o a)) o; onEnd f _ = f in onMore (onMore (onMore (onMore onEnd)))
< 1325705129 878820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. (t2 -> t2 -> t2 -> t2 -> t) -> (t1 -> t2) -> t1 -> t1 -> t1 -> t1 -> t
< 1325705143 50868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, nice
< 1325705167 770664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let onMore c f o a = c (f (o a)) o; onEnd f _ = f in (onMore . onMore . onMore . onMore) onEnd
< 1325705168 604474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2. (t1 -> t1 -> t1 -> t1 -> t2) -> (t -> t1) -> t -> t -> t -> t -> t2
< 1325705183 547298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be nice to specify i and o as an argument, though, but only once
< 1325705188 101237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be a pain though
< 1325705196 717080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. factor them out into an argument without having to repeat them
< 1325705198 989062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, though
< 1325705205 949795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um o _is_ factored out
< 1325705232 60220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, so it is
< 1325705236 175503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, sorry :)
< 1325705241 217920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onEnd is o there, right?
< 1325705251 164557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's const
< 1325705264 330997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm asking what I'd replace to change o
< 1325705273 814665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :onEnd is on0, really
< 1325705287 792304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and onMore onN = onSuccN
< 1325705296 882509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with on2 the usual one
< 1325705301 439591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether you understand my question :P
< 1325705347 226162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o is the second argument of onN, as usual
< 1325705506 376874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let ioMore c f i o a = c (f (o a)) i o; ioEnd f i _ = i f in ioMore (ioMore (ioMore ioEnd))
< 1325705507 251054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2 t3. (t3 -> t3 -> t3 -> t) -> (t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t3) -> t2 -> t2 -> t2 -> t1
< 1325705518 112922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok maybe i'm not expressing what I want
< 1325705521 65753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1325705522 692517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you go
< 1325705537 858540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neat, thanks -- it'd be nice if f came /after/ i and o though >__>
< 1325705543 335223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hmm i guess that's pretty easy
< 1325705548 735579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1325705573 823717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); stop i _ f = i f in (nest.nest.nest) stop Endo appEndo
< 1325705574 620032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. ((a1 -> a1) -> (a1 -> a1) -> (a1 -> a1) -> a -> a) -> Endo a1 -> Endo a1 -> Endo a1 -> Endo a
< 1325705579 71468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1325705589 332016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalised newtype-ish lifting
< 1325705597 308243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325705634 840607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then wonders if you could bundle i and o into _stop_
< 1325705638 113667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it'd look like
< 1325705643 463474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nest.nest.nest) inEndo ...
< 1325705648 55672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with inEndo being defined appropriately
< 1325705652 624653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the absolute ideal
< 1325705800 620124 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you've got me thinking about zipWithN
< 1325705803 996474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it if you put inEndo first
< 1325705808 104642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: see ZipList
< 1325705817 549024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, indeed
< 1325705819 613880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even better, too
< 1325705832 273924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); stop i _ f = i f; inEndo f = f stop Endo appEndo in inEndo (nest.nest.nest)
< 1325705833 69166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. ((a1 -> a1) -> (a1 -> a1) -> (a1 -> a1) -> a -> a) -> Endo a1 -> Endo a1 -> Endo a1 -> Endo a
< 1325705868 28216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm stop seems so redundant there, the only place it's used is where you already know what i is
< 1325705881 377659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); stop i _ f = i f; inEndo f = f stop Endo appEndo in inEndo stop
< 1325705882 172118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a t. t -> Endo a -> a -> a
< 1325705888 839728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1325705889 197582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1325705889 833380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just use const i, then
< 1325705903 70608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1325705906 605099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); inEndo f = f (const Endo) Endo appEndo in inEndo stop
< 1325705907 241449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `stop'
< 1325705908 550891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1325705909 516756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); inEndo f = f (const Endo) Endo appEndo in inEndo nest
< 1325705910 390338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Endo a'
< 1325705910 545820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `t -> t1'
< 1325705910 545931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `nest' is applied to too few arguments
< 1325705913 766772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think not
< 1325705919 643636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just const
< 1325705926 637608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right
< 1325705930 961881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest c i o f a = c i o (f (o a)); inEndo f = f const Endo appEndo in inEndo nest
< 1325705931 915079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. ((a1 -> a1) -> a -> a) -> Endo a1 -> Endo a
< 1325705939 578309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \c i o f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325705939 934926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip (flip (.)) . (liftM2 ((.) . (.)) .)
< 1325705943 865150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \i o f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325705944 382139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`ap` flip (.)) . (((.) . (.)) .) . c
< 1325705946 525116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \o f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325705946 843080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((.) . (.) . c i) (flip (.))
< 1325705949 26877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325705949 185455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c i o .) . (. o)
< 1325705951 622018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1325705984 567917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let result = (.)
< 1325705985 458575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1325705987 819003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let argument = flip (.)
< 1325705988 891707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1325705999 501544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325706000 296108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `t -> t1' against inferred type `Expr'
< 1325706000 454436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `f', namely `(o a)'
< 1325706000 610331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the third argument of `c', namely `(f (o a))'
< 1325706004 420631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \c i o f a -> c i o (f (o a))
< 1325706005 253974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2 t3 t4. (t -> (t1 -> t2) -> t3 -> t4) -> t -> (t1 -> t2) -> (t2 -> t3) -> t1 -> t4
< 1325706013 141343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \c i o -> result (c i o) . argument o
< 1325706013 933922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t a b (f :: * -> *) a1. (Functor f) => (t -> f a1 -> a -> b) -> t -> f a1 -> (a1 -> a) -> f b
< 1325706015 525696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1325706043 419667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: let nest k i o = result (k i o) . argument o; inEndo f = f const Endo appEndo in inEndo nest
< 1325706045 801297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let nest k i o = result (k i o) . argument o; inEndo f = f const Endo appEndo in inEndo nest
< 1325706046 596359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. ((a1 -> a1) -> a -> a) -> Endo a1 -> Endo a
< 1325706051 558763 :elliott!~elliott@u