< 1328054694 625227 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328054931 922563 :kallisti_!~eris@h230.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :kallisti < 1328055027 934483 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328055578 718104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328056149 836929 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328056347 432477 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328056869 533621 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328058234 572233 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DEEB.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328058436 197763 :itanimulliz!~itanimull@saeed.torservers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328058738 595681 :itanimulliz!~itanimull@saeed.torservers.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328059479 20789 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-043-134.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328062219 350295 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-65.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328062224 785853 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-57.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328062279 632885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328062619 834534 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :ShuffIe < 1328062694 199581 :ShuffIe!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1328063830 259360 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1328064692 249296 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti has been updated. < 1328064846 841331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: onestepforwardthenonerightdating < 1328064981 582114 :kallisti!~eris@h230.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that the topic madness has gotten out of hand. < 1328065008 321064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tears < 1328065159 608006 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1328065361 743532 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328065391 96601 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328066826 984932 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328066856 859527 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328067181 757287 :chicken!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328067375 860591 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328067432 169694 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328067957 826529 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328068875 230986 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328071861 192614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow lambdabot is amazing < 1328071944 904565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328072102 636453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy. hi itidus21. < 1328072129 993156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia. hi monqy. < 1328072132 292874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328076791 428191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT MY LAMBDABOT < 1328076814 366674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my what a big lambdabot you have < 1328076835 572861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. but i would never sell my lambdabot so fuck off. < 1328076838 4812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asshole. < 1328076940 733026 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328076953 561631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my what a big asshole you have < 1328076956 511438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't Do have a wiki page? < 1328076965 307573 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1328076971 30158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surely do < 1328077178 814981 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p5855779463.txt here's the spec if someone wants to < 1328079756 78993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: o < 1328079788 170443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone who can call finland, i need to find my cellphone :D < 1328080792 996859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considers typing (2^43,112,609)-1 in unary < 1328080829 71158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328080879 491240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111hi monqy1111111111111111111111111111[...] < 1328080905 302204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11111sorry this act is taking more time than i expected11111111111[...] < 1328081764 193648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Is this still RELEVANT. (I was getting to wurk.) < 1328082299 415256 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328082299 754551 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328082299 808222 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328082412 632488 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328082509 353664 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328082509 793888 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328082509 846761 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328082696 395482 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328083915 904164 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328085629 621489 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-061-071.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328088011 478739 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-162-123.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328088112 520581 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-174-205.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328089881 516160 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C135.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328090185 331040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nope, it was hidden in my bed < 1328090195 189056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no idea how that's possible) < 1328090284 598544 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328090421 168001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328090582 487975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dreamed I bought an iPad. That's weird. < 1328090671 692523 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freud something something < 1328090827 427221 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328090838 851215 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-174-205.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328091309 313199 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1328092518 570874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328092608 929298 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C135.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328093709 444696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gbleh, peak low in Foreca's five-day forecast for here in Espoo is -27 °C. Brrr, winter. < 1328094488 320152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328096150 906968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328097594 661679 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-061-071.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1328097686 414632 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-061-071.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328097969 373095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list reminders day! < 1328098320 131541 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328098534 137453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny-story-time. I was google-mapsing the campus of this place I'll be visiting, and one building was marked "IMEC". Thought I'd click on it to see what it's about. Before I could click, however, up popped a tooltip that said only "The worst cafeteria in the world.", nothing else. < 1328098545 237130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's one of the "Google Reviews" for the place. < 1328098557 369155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8 out of 40 people found this review helpful." < 1328098559 801995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328098888 675302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Convert < 1328098895 196150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god how can this thing possibly work. < 1328098909 24128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you know the horrors of MW template markup better than I. < 1328098957 969421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just {{convert}} < 1328098973 359738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say it's tagged {{esoteric}} for a reason < 1328098998 268903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the template itself is basically just a jump table < 1328099301 324074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328099349 839228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328100542 561789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328101057 469349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:19:52: considers typing (2^43,112,609)-1 in unary <-- you realize even binary will take months? < 1328101086 189042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only months? < 1328101108 179933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its then a function of calculating the time to hold down the key < 1328101116 462095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1328101135 981053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1328101148 210912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 5 seconds on my keyboard < 1328101159 792748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there could be some network delay as well < 1328101188 5599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000" < 1328101189 18786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 126 < 1328101211 170770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 43112609/25/86400 < 1328101212 18666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19.959541203703704 < 1328101217 966447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1328101223 993634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just 20 days < 1328101232 772706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GO AHEAD, THEN < 1328101234 819146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does (2^43,112,609) mean < 1328101245 887426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: freaky english notation < 1328101264 113154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2^43,112,609) MINUS ONE < 1328101291 595157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the accuracy of my keyboard measurement, i don't think i'm going to worry about the minus one. < 1328101297 81566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 2^(43,112,609)-1 where , means < 1328101302 120043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1328101319 209675 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thousands separator < 1328101326 855286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oklopol. how cosmopolitanly realized of you. < 1328101327 159302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1328101333 340757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard AT keyboard controller can go up to 30.0 characters per second; though systems can nowadays do any sort of rate in software. < 1328101336 393254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah so it means < 1328101336 896767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5*30 < 1328101337 764969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 150 < 1328101342 373231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too far off from 126. < 1328101358 626377 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was aware when i typed it that i should have just typed 43112609 to avoid regional diffeercnes < 1328101371 455543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't cos i don't know those regional differences < 1328101391 359024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 126 means essentially 25 < 1328101406 952998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway oerjan, 20 days is because i came up with the efficient method of pre-calculating the key holding time < 1328101429 990085 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you worked out the details < 1328101433 477900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :credit where its due < 1328101443 848300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accuracy is another problem < 1328101461 338906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it has to be exactly the right number of keypresses < 1328101524 854245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AT rate list is nonuniformly spaced; it's 2.0, 2.1, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7, 3.0, 3.3, 3.7, 4.0, 4.3, 4.6, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.7, 7.5, 8.0, 8.6, 9.2, 10.0, 10.9, 12.0, 13.3, 15.0, 16.0, 17.1, 18.5, 20.0, 21.8, 24.0, 26.7, 30.0. (But 1/rate is sort-of piecewise linear.) < 1328101539 875616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparc systems go up to 50 cps, I remember that being SO FAST. < 1328101547 73151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, ten days. < 1328101602 578839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: tricky. but i guess editors can keep track of that. < 1328101622 901615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you find one which can handle lines that long. < 1328101643 984469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when i envisioned the idea initially i imagined the painstaking anxiety caused by looking at a stream of 1s and keeping count < 1328101670 165735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah, inventing a new spot in hell, i take. < 1328101715 2435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK, your punishment isn't eternal, you just have to type this number, correctly." < 1328101724 178617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1328101734 303331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sir.. this keyboard.. only has 1 ley < 1328101738 24493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^key < 1328101764 528638 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i could allow for backspace and enter keys also < 1328101765 907585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 keys < 1328101789 4400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and left and right keys < 1328101792 798983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no backspace, although if you make a mistake you may reboot" < 1328101831 152079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i paused for thought < 1328101869 170958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if useful unary lambda calculus programs correlate with some category of numbers < 1328101988 590232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e 'print "0"x43112609;' > tmp.tmp; vi tmp.tmp; => "tmp.tmp" [noeol] 1L, 43112609C; but $ moves the cursor to column 43112609 with no problems, though it did spend quite a while thinking when loading the file. < 1328102015 803732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, moving is quite laggy. < 1328102040 861979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a useful lambda calculus program pretty much has to begin with (, so what does that imply for the unary version? < 1328102084 157179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File tmp.txt is large (41MB), really open? (y or n)" -- heh, Emacs is being careful. < 1328102087 333090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_known_prime_number :P < 1328102113 595980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it looked a little mersenny < 1328102117 440835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opens rather fast, though there's an almost-second delay when moving the cursor. < 1328102132 909198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes.. you don't have to feel foolish for taking an interest in it < 1328102146 99134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why are you editing a text file of 43112609 zeroes anyway? something to do with Unary? < 1328102197 250537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't have a clue really..... to me unary lambda calc is a magical idea < 1328102222 384354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did you get switched with Vorpal < 1328102223 154855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that esolang that's Unlambda except with no combinators? < 1328102234 160606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Vorpal's started acting like me, anyway < 1328102264 408126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has? < 1328102266 304429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the scrollback only implies that itidus21 is trying to enter 2^43112609-1, not why < 1328102273 769831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I didn't mean to say that < 1328102279 900854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually seen him in forever. < 1328102281 910022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "has Vorpal started acting like me, then?" < 1328102283 12541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he didn't explain that, i think < 1328102288 862328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got confused midsentence < 1328102292 140829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughs aloud @ and the scrollback[...] < 1328102293 819918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with his last link maybe < 1328102307 917470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last link certainly didn't explain it! < 1328102316 149615 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing on earth could explain it < 1328102344 174860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: According to Mathematics(TM), ais523 is the third-most-likely author for Vorpal-written text. (The first two most likely are Vorpal, and AnMaster.) < 1328102356 950051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the last link theres a hint < 1328102358 394166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that just line length analysis? < 1328102374 468904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists the number as having 12,978,189 digits < 1328102399 3868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess i thought to myself, that would be even worse in unary < 1328102406 605467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: careful with that @, it's going to get search-replaced some time in the future < 1328102409 766940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's from that thing which I pasted earlier, using the mixture-of-bernoulli models with different sort of binary features related to word length/line length/personal-pronoun-use/punctuation/whatever. < 1328102415 940173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328102418 703184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have missed that < 1328102432 352495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has the highest whatever score? < 1328102440 710249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ... so the number will have 2^43112609-1 unary digits !?! < 1328102443 922881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the thing where you correctly divined that the "’m not in a mood for non-trivial INTERCAL program < 1328102448 911557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s" was your comment. < 1328102451 825867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1328102463 761057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about how mathematical notation saves an awful lot of typing < 1328102465 145383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently pasting from the slides was a bad idea, and what's that silly-apostrophe doing there. < 1328102518 105894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looks like you pasted from a PDF < 1328102520 435922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kind of extension of some old chinese story about writing number 1 with one line, 2 with two lines, 3 with three lines, then someone asks him to write the character for 10,000 < 1328102528 58169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, yes. < 1328102530 340877 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he goes on trying to write ten thousand lines < 1328102537 350480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. most of the characters are right, but special characters are swapped with different special characters, and line breaks appear in entirely the wrong places < 1328102539 675815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For your comments, the three most likely authors are ais523, AnMaster, and oerjan, in that order. < 1328102550 943994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1328102555 241441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you normalize away ais523_? < 1328102574 611988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that the exponent notation is more than syntactic sugar < 1328102576 793305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense of disregarding it. This was a simple thing. < 1328102579 558700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm actually curious as to whether I talk differently as ais523 and ais523_; I use the nicks in different circumstances) < 1328102581 74237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328102589 707924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but makes some numbers expressible which would not be readily cognizeable in unary form < 1328102605 148610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had AnMaster and Vorpal as separate entities, as well as ehird, elliott and alise. < 1328102635 969711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it correctly "found" those groupings, in the sense that they had relatively speaking highest mutual confusion potential there. < 1328102669 251074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though oerjan and oklopol are very much like one person, too. (Suspicious?) < 1328102706 974829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok in other words, its a lot easier to reason about 2^43112609-1 apples by using the text "2^43112609-1" than it is to actually produce 2^43112609-1 apples < 1328102734 736290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ok in other words, its a lot easier to reason about 2^43112609-1 apples by using the text "2^43112609-1" than it is to actually produce 2^43112609-1 apples < 1328102746 930476 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :806) ok in other words, its a lot easier to reason about 2^43112609-1 apples by using the text "2^43112609-1" than it is to actually produce 2^43112609-1 apples < 1328102785 22398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eek < 1328102806 326627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume this room is not like that. < 1328102813 937650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be hell to pay if it is < 1328102824 692143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1328102837 593800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like counting to 2^43112609-1 in unary < 1328102841 156907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328102851 487196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like people using multiple personas to chat < 1328102902 465998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had AnMaster and Vorpal as separate entities, as well as ehird, elliott and alise. < 1328102916 226450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote itidus < 1328102920 472278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :470) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception \ 493) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 494) itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him. < 1328102933 253235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you compared Phantom_Hoover, Phantom__Hoover and Phantom___Hoover to see if the stress of my router hating me takes its toll? < 1328102960 789109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^43112609-1 was the first discovered "prime number of over 10 million digits." < 1328102965 747298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom___Hoover < 1328102969 604218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1328102982 364827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328102985 161902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom___Hoover < 1328102988 913455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself. < 1328103001 723062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it wasn't that command i fixed the issue for < 1328103047 487432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but stones decay eventually < 1328103062 871545 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1328103074 496705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little crazy that they haven't found any efficient-to-calculate formula which gives unbounded prime numbers < 1328103085 114521 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget where that conversation went < 1328103090 85206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime numbers in general are crazy. < 1328103094 233374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime numbers are a little crazy... aw, snap. < 1328103122 735448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they have such a stupidly simple method of generation, and yet they don't submit to any easy form of analysis at all. < 1328103139 234151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything we have is vague asymptoty stuff. < 1328103144 583684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there are heaps of them, and approximately how many, but pinning down one of large size is still a hard problem < 1328103160 14871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how many in each interval < 1328103200 779179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's the prime directive, which forbids you from bringing information about large-valued primes into societies that have not yet found primes of equal magnitude. Or something like that, anyway. < 1328103440 250914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw yesterday something relevant at http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/about.php, but you'll have to reload until you see something about WOW! signal, as i have no idea how to link to a specific one < 1328103446 604565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's too long to paste < 1328103630 989470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/VdbI in case someone doesn't feel like reloading. < 1328103654 137543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks: I was trying to find it by reloading but haven't yet < 1328103682 977833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also there's a wikilink to the Wow! signal that got dropped by the pasteying.) < 1328103705 524891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent a while reloading it yesterday and i'm _still_ not entirely sure i got all of them. almost sure, though. < 1328103899 428210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mathematically it's impossible to ever be sure < 1328103920 464092 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328103921 553706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given that you can't even assume they all have the same probability, you can't even know the probability that you've seen them all < 1328103953 551380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i got this sense some were more often than others < 1328103998 578455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*frequent < 1328103998 703859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course mathematically i cannot be sure of that, either :P < 1328104045 427470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop talking like that or you'll make me ten thousand samples to get some estimates. < 1328104058 309342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/me take/ < 1328104059 161650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what null hypotheses were invented for! < 1328104078 769515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you refresh it often enough, DMM will probably get fed up with the server load and outright tell you the probabilities < 1328104082 851191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lateral thinking < 1328104082 904382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see fizzie become the first person ever banned from mezzacotta. well i guess there will have been spammers. < 1328104106 541448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _guess_ you could also ask in the forum. < 1328104115 773130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of having a ten second interval, that's not much of a load, and will take 10k samples in a day and a bit. < 1328104213 206107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall ever seeing spam on the forum, come to think of it. but then i read it in twice-weekly bursts. < 1328104385 530714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distribution at 10 samples: http://sprunge.us/BGEZ < 1328104402 873542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The value is the sha1sum of the returned page.) < 1328104431 232458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly 421... is three times more likely than 0b5... < 1328104451 309108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure there are more than 10 versions :P < 1328104469 129844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten 11 versions in 20 samples. < 1328104584 70166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a 12th version. < 1328104592 402249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you count how many you found? < 1328104610 302258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, now it's back to 11. < 1328104634 286744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have been sha1sum that read an incomplete copy. < 1328104805 252773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/VIYV ... looks reasonably uniform so far... in fact, one might say it looks SUSPICIOUSLY uniform. Hmm. < 1328104955 184889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too early to tell, really < 1328104956 910724 :kallisti!~eris@h230.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328105019 851944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i didn't count < 1328105819 524038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i realize i may have overestimated by confusing it with reloadings of the FAQ, as well < 1328105899 722407 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328105941 722580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually i cannot seem to get the 11th one :P < 1328105982 979252 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪ < 1328106036 283988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there < 1328106247 541125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X is a uniformly distributed integer 0 .. 10, and Y the sequence formed by repeatedly sampling from X until Y contains each integer 0 .. 10 at least once, what's the expected length of Y? < 1328106270 115930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliens from Xabaduni IV; three golfers from Maine; Guernsey Comics Collective; Wow! signal; ancient Sumerian clay tablets; IP address Langerhans Islets; Edgar Planer; After representations received on behalf of; How awesome would it be if someone produced a webcomic without the comic?; John Lennon and Paul McCartney; As reviewed by TV Tropes: < 1328106300 323866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last two held out a _long_ time < 1328106379 30943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm pretty sure that's a common chestnut/exercise < 1328106458 150486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/gUOf <- I have these eleven. < 1328106492 917359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's just 10. < 1328106500 226057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do two start similarly or something? < 1328106610 436128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think you are missing one of Edgar Planer or three golfers from Maine < 1328106614 507929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my descriptions don't all start at the beginning < 1328106689 806665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the other one is your "In the mid-1990s, one of the" < 1328106727 320926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i _think_ is edgar planer, which is strange since i thought i got the golfers all the time < 1328106760 948994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just the "get the first line" grep acting up. < 1328106833 527321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts "COAP started ..." and that got removed by a "remove-the-

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-lines" bit. < 1328106846 774017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it matches ^<. < 1328106854 427936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1328106942 459044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past DMM/whoever to have one extra-rare reply; let's hope my ten thousand attempts are enough for it to show up. < 1328106997 904764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and also < 1328107036 295529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e 1 = 1; e n = 1 + n/(n-1) * e (n-1) in e 11 < 1328107037 77848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33.218650793650795 < 1328107046 183541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1328107064 71635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but why? < 1328107106 592503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e 1 = 1; e n = 1 + n/(n-1) * e (n-1) in e 2 < 1328107107 442572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1328107112 396365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sounds so reasonable. < 1328107135 913732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your first try will always be a new item. and every try after that has (n-1)/n chance of not being the same as the first, which essentially rescales the expectation for n-1. i think. < 1328107249 868069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. (And what's the distribution for the length?) < 1328107269 230500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know < 1328107509 523455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all right; it doesn't count as a question anyway since I didn't formulate it in terms of balls and urns. < 1328107590 255879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at wikipedia's probability distributions template and none of them are obviously relevant. < 1328107612 443778 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328107932 644776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328108660 490772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look for something that has k!/(k^k) as the first nonzero value, I'm sure it's that. :p < 1328108681 902441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328108753 846635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorously, I tried a Google search for "k!/(k^k)" (with quotes), and the first hit is "KKK: Ku Klux Klan, this one's for you!" < 1328108761 370093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometric distribution : binomial distribution :: ? : multinomial distribution < 1328108838 729977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328108842 372403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem < 1328108859 382559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't remember the name < 1328108925 48200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was mentioned at the bottom of the geometric distribution article < 1328109109 418441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1328109234 882951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. I won't subtract points for the fact that there's only E(T) and Var(T) there, not a simple equation for P(T=t), on grounds of there also being a link to a nice generating-function approach for getting those E(T) and Var(T). < 1328109260 776278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mezzacotta's comic generator seems to have got better < 1328109276 231851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, the participants in each comic seem to react to each other now, if only at a rudimentary level < 1328109286 588462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm they always have < 1328109297 727170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, at the very start they didn't < 1328109303 34559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just two independent conversations interleaved < 1328109427 85082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so. i recall them saying that they haven't made the generator possible to change without wiping out all the old comics < 1328109483 526560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, comics that haven't been watched in a while drop out of cache and get regenerated < 1328109646 786537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, but they've definitely added new characters < 1328109659 789016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either they just wipe out the old comics and nobody notices, or they use the old generator on previously visited comics < 1328109670 811191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wouldn't have to record the comics themselves, just the fact that they existed at one time < 1328109692 184886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they changed anything, it was _very_ early. < 1328109740 294464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was around pretty much at the start < 1328109746 181555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got mentioned on-channel < 1328109750 256937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I stopped reading it for years < 1328109843 599036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=5891 < 1328109881 139966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no versioning, so we can't change the algorithm, otherwise the hashes would produce different comics. Which is good and bad. Bad in that we can't improve the algorithms, good in that we can't improve the algorithms (and therefore don't spend inordinate amounts of our spare time doing so, which leaves us free to do other stuff, like Darths & Droids)." < 1328109958 869899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the belief that they've added new characters _could_ just be the coupon collector's problem hitting :P < 1328109969 627698 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328110058 294563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only exception i recall is that they once changed it entirely for April 1. < 1328110082 5563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110082 658238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328110082 711138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110097 808986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's alive! < 1328110142 51437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least his client. < 1328110332 768572 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110749 656271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328112142 229305 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328112142 628112 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328112142 681376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328112208 474922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1328112247 758335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328113566 53020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328114673 841248 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328115114 92126 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328115608 89123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328115765 16484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328115860 591316 :Systemzw1ng!miekko@infa.abo.fi NICK :Systemzwang < 1328117542 825383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how can a display driver download be 148 MB? That is quite insane. < 1328117601 257797 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because software programmers have stopped caring, maybe < 1328117609 3621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1328117610 247531 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everyone has awesome computers now, no need to bother!" < 1328117642 893554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the computer I'm installing it on is indeed awesome < 1328117716 179683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that is the windows display drivers, clicking custom installation reveals that the control panel component of it takes 150 MB of disk space. < 1328117750 766563 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the same reason that firefox is now OVER A GIGABYTE < 1328117758 579253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1328117759 224312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1328117772 949125 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1328117776 66970 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not! < 1328117777 280168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ubuntu claims 40 MB < 1328117783 715350 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was it on my old PC < 1328117783 837857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for installed size < 1328117788 971101 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just reinstalled windows) < 1328117793 245388 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because EVERYTHING WAS SLOW < 1328117796 355621 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that is why! < 1328117800 622297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, that is a windows problem :P < 1328117810 811530 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox was at an installed size of 1.20 GB or so < 1328117819 941158 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's 38 MB! < 1328117831 222798 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know < 1328117845 307639 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could go with some lame "I probably got some malwares" excuse < 1328117853 867024 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 1 GB sounds like a lot even for that < 1328117868 301945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame it being windows < 1328117879 143961 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 1GB I would hope at least to be monitored by the FBI < 1328117888 732947 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm on windows now, and it's not! < 1328117904 171757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, the other day windows decided that the experience index thingy was up to date but it refused to show the value < 1328117909 778470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until after a reboot < 1328117938 742468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 64-bit win7 pro btw < 1328117943 948693 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks I made an awesome new whatever it is that I make go download it it's 15GB < 1328117972 273302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, almost as large as my last panorama ;) < 1328118028 389088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I can't upload the panoramas I make as I would like them, I have to apply jpeg compression to get them down to reasonable sizes of 20-30 MB...) < 1328118083 15558 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I bought a pair of wireless headphones because I keep on breaking headphones by stepping on the wires 'til I break something. < 1328118095 871217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was one recently that when saved as a tiff with deflate compression (which is what hugin outputs) was about 370 MB) < 1328118098 424141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out how to network the audio so I could just leave the base station attached to my desktop (since moving it defeats the purpose) < 1328118112 715803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eventually discovered it's easier to network video, even while playing a movie, than audio. < 1328118113 962170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1328118120 402458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, err? < 1328118134 800263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean it is easier to do network audio than audio? < 1328118148 868905 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I eventually discovered it's easier to network VIDEO, even while playing a movie, than audio. < 1328118156 632000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1328118158 777146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1328118178 326128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm curious, how is the sound quality with wireless headphones? < 1328118186 836795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are they bluetooth based or?) < 1328118218 362883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ^ < 1328118289 138978 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're RF and probably quite interceptable, but the sound quality has been fine. I noticed I had to turn up the audio all the way on the desktop and turn it down to a reasonable level on the headphones or I start to get static, but it's not noticeable once the levels are adjusted properly. < 1328118303 279075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328118304 988925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when there's no other sound I can hear a bit of interference. < 1328118319 716396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would annoy the hell out of me < 1328118337 711669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about battery time? < 1328118396 173635 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only had them for a day, and they recharge in the base station so I don't really have any basis for judgement. < 1328118406 519391 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have two rechargeable AAA batteries. < 1328118451 530241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1328118528 277131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm you know the power connectors on modern apple laptops? they should use that for headphone cables... < 1328118592 814180 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that both ends are the problem for me. I step on the damned cable while I'm wearing them ... and my cat attacks the cable too ... < 1328118601 564019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cats < 1328118602 674734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1328118931 966413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1328119112 169500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328119546 740000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nvidia's "unified driver" is big partially because it supports so many different cards. But of course also partially because bloatiness. < 1328119576 939228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cats and headphone cables are indeed not a good equation. < 1328119614 427706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, someone ported robotfindskitten to that Lego Mindstorm NXT thing. http://robotfindskitten.org/aw.cgi?main=news.rfk < 1328119624 85542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the name, someone Finnish. Or at least of Finnish ancestry. < 1328120217 384204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328120222 964424 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120223 453206 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328120223 506041 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120231 796487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1328120247 94943 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120247 635413 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328120247 688593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120362 739427 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1328120372 265801 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the worst error message is? < 1328120381 573607 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't move this file because the filename is too long" < 1328120393 100167 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're moving a folder with a few thousand files in it < 1328120397 798804 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can get annoying < 1328121027 634165 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328121686 928911 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-76-217.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328121714 133132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan At the moment, when 1640 samples have been taken, given the null hypothesis that the 11 variants are uniformly distributed, according to Pearson's chi-squared test, the p-value is 0.42, i.e. the deviation is not statistically significant. (But that's frequentist talk!) < 1328121714 434884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328124317 163457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328125125 574591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328125137 250563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328125194 580857 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1328125238 839707 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection is rather slow < 1328125358 144823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, there's nothing useful in the Internet either. < 1328125382 315721 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although apparently stable? < 1328125396 995251 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1328125397 462595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1328125564 440538 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been over a minute, I suspect I may have lost connection < 1328125829 969523 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328127481 445128 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328127483 250788 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328127483 303760 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328127557 170485 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328128804 555062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328128825 239781 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328128874 422307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :,[.,]!elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY. < 1328128950 995108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328128951 338023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 36s ago: At the moment, when 1640 samples have been taken, given the null hypothesis that the 11 variants are uniformly distributed, according to Pearson's chi-squared test, the p- < 1328128951 748487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :value is 0.42, i.e. the deviation is not statistically significant. (But that's frequentist talk!) < 1328129102 985439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129188 665622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (actually, I can't upload the panoramas I make as I would like them, I have to apply jpeg compression to get them down to reasonable sizes of 20-30 MB...) < 1328129227 365599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't someone around here experimenting with lossless settings for some common image or video compression? i think maybe pikhq < 1328129262 292788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was years ago, though < 1328129285 910012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the conclusion was it wasn't half bad < 1328129443 539402 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION halps oerjan < 1328129463 731622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very nice < 1328129480 976310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: people get nicer when you murder them in their sleep. < 1328129528 273288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that zombie thing was way off < 1328129533 850340 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129551 32858 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just written a quick Dupdog interpreter in Haskell < 1328129586 663572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main function: < 1328129597 638840 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ join $ fmap (lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129606 644510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1328129623 316806 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second < 1328129653 975567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: join . fmap f is known as f =<< < 1328129655 267147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ join $ fmap (maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129665 604159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's probably handy < 1328129783 797774 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13136E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129840 597976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl join $ fmap (maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129841 43252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,))) =<< getEnvironment < 1328129864 799320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookup < 1328129865 885183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq a) => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b < 1328129899 944997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getEnvironment < 1328129900 401800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Environment getEnvironment :: IO [(String, String)] < 1328129900 608423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Posix.Env getEnvironment :: IO [(String, String)] < 1328129900 704834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Posix.Env getEnvironmentPrim :: IO [String] < 1328129979 90994 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ maybe getContents readFile . lookup "" . map (uncurry (flip (,))) =<< getEnvironment < 1328129983 941161 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a few typos as well < 1328129991 137153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1328130007 260752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, why would you lookup "" in that < 1328130028 494064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that finds a key without a value < 1328130078 75635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the world would you use that to get a filename? < 1328130083 771550 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because getEnvironment should return something like IO [("wrap","157"),("filename")] < 1328130088 899388 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm magical < 1328130097 771582 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't have a clue what I'm doing < 1328130128 405584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with using getArgs < 1328130134 567070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getArgs < 1328130134 969603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Environment getArgs :: IO [String] < 1328130135 174116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.UI.GLUT.Initialization getArgsAndInitialize :: IO (String, [String]) < 1328130171 377869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1328130202 653559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile < 1328130203 666709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[FilePath] -> IO String < 1328130210 433546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile =<< getArgs < 1328130211 292301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `getArgs' < 1328130214 22347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328130221 639279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile =<< System.Environment.getArgs < 1328130222 690562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO String < 1328130251 974494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1328130269 419458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: PROBLEM? < 1328130275 24512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328130285 801212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally i'd use a case in practice myself < 1328130393 278566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm you have other flags too < 1328130453 413369 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't handle ending very well < 1328130477 432712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[("wrap","157"),("filename")] sounds like quite a "special" sort of list. < 1328130513 341462 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328130545 71212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come back you scoundrel < 1328130549 730579 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328130552 471501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: are you trying to parse the command line? because that is _not_ what getEnvironment does. < 1328130575 360887 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm trying to parse the arguments? < 1328130579 531624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's something getopt-like in there too? < 1328130581 377151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getopt < 1328130581 576710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt getOpt :: ArgOrder a -> [OptDescr a] -> [String] -> ([a], [String], [String]) < 1328130581 934833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt getOpt' :: ArgOrder a -> [OptDescr a] -> [String] -> ([a], [String], [String], [String]) < 1328130581 987847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt module System.Console.GetOpt < 1328130605 37248 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a file name is provided in the arguments, it loads the file, otherwise it uses the command line < 1328130607 114887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the command line arguments? my point still remains. < 1328130625 407515 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1328130654 381176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, getOpt can be used for this. < 1328130656 207218 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god you're right < 1328130661 832484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe if he wants the program to be called as "wrap=123 thingie" instead of "thingie --wrap 123". < 1328130675 601876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would be _possible_ of course :P < 1328130690 146157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had a hunch that's not what he wanted. < 1328130718 131855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is exactly what I wanted < 1328130723 669048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is weird < 1328130747 474752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh O_O < 1328130754 442179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here 'thingie' was your program, incidentally. < 1328130779 961449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_not_ the dupdog program, but the interpreter < 1328130792 696137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1328130793 695165 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1328130800 964263 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I want < 1328130802 551727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly sure how you wanted the filename thing to go in, since I doubt you can set "the environment variable with no name". < 1328130820 825662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did with my latin vocab program? < 1328130828 391803 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using getArgs < 1328130830 836530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um he's looking up for no _value_, not name. < 1328130854 491082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, there's a flip in there somewhere? Okay then; though I suppose there might be several. < 1328130873 192972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :getArgs sounds like it has absolutely zero things in common with the environment variables. < 1328130878 969013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still confused what Ngevd actually wants. < 1328130879 100186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: how would you write a complete command line for calling your interpreter with wrap and filename settings? < 1328130891 396552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would you like to write < 1328130899 328938 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog hello.dupdog wrap=157 < 1328130905 880264 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want that?? < 1328130913 972359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I AM MAD < 1328130919 239413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it made sense at the time < 1328130920 21058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1328130925 236041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know what the convention is < 1328130936 723763 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What's the convention? < 1328130939 839946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hm ok. dupdog hello.dupdog --wrap 157 would be easier to convinve getOpt to do, i think. < 1328130946 126038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c < 1328130960 830086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1328130965 720575 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'cmdargs' package is a much nicer way to parse command line arguments in haskell < 1328130967 576409 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to getopt < 1328130982 578303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a package :P < 1328131023 603840 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well documented too < 1328131043 933658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain getArgs would give you ["hello.dupdog", "wrap=157"], which isn't too hard to parsemate, while I suppose getEnvironment would give you something like [("PATH", "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"), ("HOSTNAME", "something"), ("HOME", "/home/something"), ...]. < 1328131067 474979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood the function and never actually tested it < 1328131090 902662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :["hello.dupdog", "--wrap", "157"] is even easier to parse < 1328131096 284845 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also «IO [("wrap","157"),("filename")]» is not a thing ;P < 1328131177 347090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, dashes is indeed the most common convention. Though there certainly are commands that take "foo=bar" options. 'dd' comes to mind. < 1328131203 512119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone hates dd for being different, though. < 1328131241 765752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that needs only pattern matching, no breaking up of substrings. well i guess you _could_ do 'w':'r':'a':'p':'=':wrapping) < 1328131248 814423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I was trying for IO [("wrap","157"),("filenam","")] < 1328131459 913627 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also not a thing < 1328131482 103068 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is a type constructor, not a data constructor < 1328131494 33036 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except at the GHC implementation level, but that data constructor does something completely different and unreasonable) < 1328131518 248982 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value of type (IO T) is not a value of type T "tainted" by the fact that it's "in IO" < 1328131549 282365 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a description of an imperative program which, if executed, *would* produce a value of type T < 1328131556 504585 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no T inside < 1328131873 178143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getOpt Permute [Option "" ["wrap"] (ReqArg id "wrapping size") "wrapping size" `fmap` getArgs < 1328131881 805919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1328131889 345287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getOpt Permute [Option "" ["wrap"] (ReqArg id "wrapping size") "wrapping size"] `fmap` getArgs < 1328132575 898833 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132587 20254 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328132587 73336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132818 711263 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132910 356490 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328132943 594740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328132960 269594 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132960 573162 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328132960 626059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132985 314843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes... < 1328132988 471465 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is really frustrating. < 1328133078 955624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328133411 990544 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328133426 40924 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328134100 777250 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13136E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758] < 1328134331 997919 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C135.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328134887 685202 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1328135205 441425 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328135207 320057 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just flying around to say look at this crap: http://hpaste.org/57301 < 1328135211 386155 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 QUIT :Client Quit < 1328135475 135359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328136280 584884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb er... Dupdog is not supposed to have a program pointer, you always take the first character. Also your eval' is an infinite recursion (hint: unless you are writing generic combinators, a function argument with IO type is usually a mistake.) < 1328136280 904979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328136587 140180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb also, fail "Error: check the wrapping size you gave is a valid number." is misleading - nothing will check if the number is valid by that point. < 1328136587 440491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328137081 828176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I can see how "The next character is read" might give you that impression though - but note that (I clearly recall) the initial inspiration for dupdog was the idea of two irc bots reacting to each other's lines as entirely new commands, for which such a remembering of position doesn't make sense. < 1328137082 67933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139134 196626 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328139610 471295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Hmm, that's funny... if I calculate the chi^2-score right, after 3370 samples I could say the distribution is in fact *not* uniform, at p=0.03, i.e. that the probability for getting at least as non-uniform results if they were actually from a uniform distribution is just 0.03. < 1328139610 789795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139631 665153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I might be calculating it wrong, though. < 1328139631 910126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139689 580898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie OKAY < 1328139690 40267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139708 323652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, uh, right, maybe the @tell bit was a bit... < 1328139708 563211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328139716 614397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have messages! < 1328139726 379927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message < 1328139726 615848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages? < 1328139728 380693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328139728 686581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 38s ago: OKAY < 1328139741 858745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just *you*. :( :( :( < 1328139761 542823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terrible < 1328139780 38048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking "@message" should also work, but only in the case where you actually do have a single message. < 1328139793 997657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1328139812 692551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is 3370 how much you have in total? < 1328139838 307787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, it's 3406 now. < 1328139881 654349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the ratio of largest to smallest item? < 1328139916 991867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.3. < 1328139924 431223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not overly large :P < 1328139935 919737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :376/289, to be more exact. < 1328139954 497456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small to be an intended difference, me thinks