< 1328659205 807885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everything model call-by-push-value if you squint hard enough? Isn't that kind of the point? < 1328659216 262564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't like monadic effects either. < 1328659223 607731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're disgusting. Also incorrect. < 1328659241 885384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, call-by-push-value is meant to be (and actually is) a superset of both call-by-value and call-by-name < 1328659250 564304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's designed for handling effects properly < 1328659263 745777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nontermination is considered an effect) < 1328659280 486601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can implement it with monads, but also in several quite different ways that don't involve monads at all < 1328659319 315319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Y combinator makes no sense in a strict language, does it... < 1328659395 70820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, "the Y combinator" diverges as it's a specific fixed-point combinator < 1328659400 720918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "a fixed-point combinator" makes sense < 1328659426 892758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find call-by-push-value's handling of effects distasteful. < 1328659433 964292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know what it is? < 1328659470 757319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly, yes. < 1328659532 671415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, I don't buy its "unification". < 1328659546 181567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mathematically it's correct < 1328659548 697737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It forces you to be explicit about evaluation, which is exposing an implementation detail in my religion. < 1328659558 192064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a unification, it's just lower-level. < 1328659562 879089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1328659568 183958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can encode call-by-name and call-by-value in x86 machine code, too. < 1328659575 121645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it has something to do with religious stuff? < 1328659577 200045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it a more elegant unification of the two. < 1328659580 391293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows you to be explicit about when effects happen, which is clearly not an implementation detail because it affects the program's behaviour < 1328659631 258803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just means it conflates effects and evaluation. < 1328659677 310800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two sets of types, one which conflates them and one of which doesn't < 1328659679 881732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, not exactly < 1328659684 351658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's an approximate way to describe it < 1328659705 651140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I find that ugly. < 1328659714 162848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that a reasonable point of view < 1328659772 854806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer languages with nontermination-as-effect; in large part *because* they make evaluation order irrelevant. < 1328659787 37241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As long as they have proper codata, of course.) < 1328659860 795729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1328659914 915475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Haskell preprocessor program "Hampp" does not support layout mode and that might be why many people hate it. < 1328660084 54462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328660095 339056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to the other reasons. < 1328660249 557507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the general kind of fallacy of the "astrological signs fallacy" called? < 1328660251 112030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more EXCITING questions?? No? < 1328660261 510538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1328660281 319440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forcing people to change their usual haskell style to use it does sound like a major dealbreaker < 1328660357 940027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I bet YOU have a question. < 1328660402 11135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, why is wordpress's comment system so sucky < 1328660403 542766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I do write it mostly for myself and the program is in the public domain anyone can make modifications if wanted. Still, once I finished, I intend to make it available so that anyone can use if they want to do so. Maybe the a few people using nonlayout style might like it, but they might also hate it due to different reasons instead. < 1328660432 772774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because I don't run it. < 1328660444 532793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes into the night. < 1328660445 550459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328660450 854942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what fallacy is that? < 1328660542 685161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is as follows: If they say the sun sign is Aquarius, and you manage to see the stars (due to eclipse or whatever), you will see that it is a different constellation; therefore, astrology is based on the imaginary sun which is not the real position of the sun. < 1328660572 171991 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong, as anyone who understands it will understand. < 1328660652 76041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328660654 180143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about fallacy? < 1328660690 45421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's based on imaginary constellations, naturally (or on a purely mathetical division of the ecliptic) < 1328660777 870368 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not based on constellation at all; but "a purely mathetical division of the ecliptic" is reasonable (you can say it is simply a unit of angular measurement of ecliptic longitude). They are named after constellations, however. Is it any general fallacy based on named after? I don't know everything about fallacy in general? < 1328660830 261635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know. i haven't heard about that particular one before, i think. < 1328660882 521482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem to be it would be an instance of a more general type of fallacy, but I don't know. < 1328660904 864834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice try, admins-making-their-censorship-invisible <-- I think perhaps oer "powertrip" jan is maybe not the best person to criticize the Administration. < 1328660953 879749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then revert the Main Page if you do not like it. < 1328661207 590844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps Equivocation? < 1328661303 563592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Equivocation consists in employing the same word in two or more senses..." Yes, perhaps Equivocation. < 1328661362 600181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymological fallacy too < 1328661388 350103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328661490 635113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and maybe False dilemma < 1328661596 892970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it is like False dilemma? < 1328661652 360333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a meta-sense of ignoring other possible explanations < 1328661697 495192 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, like that. < 1328661702 649825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328661803 394064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i'm getting a headache from reading through these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies < 1328661816 834326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will, if i don't stop now < 1328662782 534709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have managed to make up a monad from any contravariant functor; but can it make up a monad transformer from any contravariant functor? Or even a comonad or comonad transformer from any contravariant functor? < 1328663114 699201 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE890F0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328663116 292898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the present king of France stopped robbing banks? < 1328663262 92557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why stop? < 1328663473 329017 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Fermat's Last Theorem provable in Typographical Number Theory? < 1328664775 248667 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328665342 714371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up a Haskell program which compiles and runs but does different things, depending which semicolons are removed? Can you do the similar thing with commas too? < 1328665421 53195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [id, id, id, id] < 1328665422 97885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1328665427 667089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [id id id id] < 1328665428 679791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1328665437 833267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is a simple example. < 1328665481 145583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there can be more complicated ways too. With semicolons, or commas, or possibly under punctuations; or a program depending on which extensions are enabled (which I have done once). < 1328665494 93505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that one < 1328665654 935357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make up a monad transformer from any contravariant functor? < 1328665708 722530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall how you made just a monad < 1328665941 897548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find the file right now; but I might have it on paper somewhere. < 1328665998 630859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't quite know if it is really a monad but I have seen similarity with thing other people said is monad. < 1328666022 131468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember the datatype: newtype T f x = T (f x -> x); where f is some contravariant functor < 1328666081 84428 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this help at all? < 1328666260 416359 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328666260 753168 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328666320 504115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to answer any of my questions based on this type definition? < 1328666332 488712 :pineal_aenimal!~pineal_ae@209.97.87.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666382 422836 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666410 267693 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666483 175573 :pinekone7!~pineal_ae@209.97.87.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666512 799622 :pinekone7!~pineal_ae@209.97.87.2 QUIT :Client Quit < 1328666520 359475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that a monad < 1328666527 474332 :pineal_aenimal!~pineal_ae@209.97.87.2 PART :#esoteric < 1328666607 630710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we try with f x = F (x -> A) < 1328666623 415822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we get (x -> A) -> x < 1328666696 45067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = const looks necessary < 1328666728 449713 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe that (x -> A) -> x has been shown to be a monad I saw the message somewhere (regardless of what A is, although they used Bool) < 1328666748 846166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes return = const looks necessary I remember that is how I had it too < 1328666787 622059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have (x -> A) -> x and x -> (y -> A) -> y < 1328666830 60282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want (y -> A) -> y from that < 1328666895 845170 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328666897 161627 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:variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 254809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 254886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 254964 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255118 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255313 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255393 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255473 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255547 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255623 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255762 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666951 255842 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1328666967 305119 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1328667171 134586 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667172 368223 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667196 367461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667201 413992 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667201 467172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667208 40633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, one of you people has to have configured PHP and MySQL on Debian. < 1328667212 369258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Gregor. Gregor must have. < 1328667227 693786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (xm >>= f) y2a = f (xm x2a) y2a where x2y x = f x y2a; x2a = y2a . x2y in (>>=) < 1328667228 436541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t b a. ((t -> b) -> t) -> (t -> (a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> a < 1328667273 184124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has the right type < 1328667300 984653 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667303 500134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I don't want to ask ##php. This place is marginally better than ##php. < 1328667311 933836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I bet they'd tell me to go to #debian and vice versa. < 1328667315 446017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :marginally? < 1328667318 241923 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328667318 455151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cry < 1328667330 88365 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there was an update a while ago < 1328667336 455220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Only marginally. < 1328667359 73608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to both kick and not kick elliott at the same time < 1328667390 299621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1328667394 656136 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like Gregor. Gregor must have. // never MySQL, no. < 1328667401 701879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ask on MySQL instead. < 1328667413 426114 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667413 994430 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667414 58539 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6eae.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667414 517761 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667416 144314 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667416 344923 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667416 537577 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667424 414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's good, because my question is why installing php5-mysql and rebooting the server still makes MW think I don't have a MySQL database driver installed, despite installing other PHP extensions working (i.e. reflected in the MW installer). < 1328667428 539805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sure you know the answer to that! < 1328667438 989881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even says "If you installed PHP from a Debian or Ubuntu package, then you also need install the php5-mysql module.". < 1328667446 849537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is only for that specific one I intended in general contravariant functors < 1328667447 964663 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 18548 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 18727 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6eae.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 18808 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 18886 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 18964 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667448 19043 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667466 460118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i tried to wrap my head around it first < 1328667473 104428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My guess would be that that installs the /module/, but doesn't configure it to use it. < 1328667484 996731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my brain is up to it at the moment < 1328667491 606112 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667491 887336 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667492 155684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667493 446938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667493 500013 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328667519 313397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured it out once but I forget now. < 1328667522 813357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, I thought that too, but it's in conf.d. < 1328667529 833294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And php.ini contains a bunch of settings for it. < 1328667530 511384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also unsure, and it isn't a transfomer < 1328667540 96744 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667540 149443 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667540 149519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667540 149552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667540 149584 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328667569 657532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, everything on the internet suggests installing it should be enough. < 1328667574 396996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1328667601 723122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume /usr/share/doc/php5-mysql/README.Debian is unhelpful? < 1328667657 545265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's just generic PHP documentation with no MySQL info. < 1328667675 998891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's even less helpful than I anticipated ... < 1328667703 764985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not even a symlink to the php5 README.Debian, either. < 1328667705 17456 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, unless the issue is just that you need to add extension=mysql.so to your php.ini, Idonno. < 1328667708 112343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they created it from some template. < 1328667716 821517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That extension= line is already in the relevant conf.d, yeah :| < 1328667871 304498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh < 1328667876 115271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jan 12 15:32 /usr/share/doc/php5-mysql -> php5-common < 1328667879 318183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real fuckin' helpful, that < 1328667883 919867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super. < 1328667892 73950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, make a test.php with < 1328667897 483712 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least you can see if it's PHP or MW being stupid. < 1328667904 410393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For information on using , why not read the documentation for THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE?" < 1328667963 877271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's a pain, since my nginx doesn't run arbitrary PHP stuff :( < 1328667967 85945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hijacks... index.php. < 1328667978 961639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you stop PHP parsing so it ignores all the junk after a line? < 1328668000 966503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go. < 1328668035 351491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, it shows MySQL. < 1328668042 435623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then it must be MW being stupid 8-D < 1328668061 395790 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328668067 96188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reunpacks MW. < 1328668098 163344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pointless, since it doesn't have write permissions to anywhere anyway. < 1328668193 696675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f (f x -> x) -> f x -> x) -> f x -> x < 1328668233 572283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you want to clear all saved data that you have entered and restart the installation process?" < 1328668236 738419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe this is the problem :P < 1328668244 872549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... < 1328668249 430127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what was the problem >_< < 1328668274 524396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it caches whether you have the MySQL extension installed, but not the internationalisation module. Awesome. < 1328668311 834230 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1328668389 486416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your MySQL installation supports InnoDB, it is highly recommended that you choose that instead. If your MySQL installation does not support InnoDB, maybe it's time for an upgrade." < 1328668396 334736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This installer is talking shit about me, man. < 1328668440 428891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your MediaWiki installation is written in PHP, it is highly recommended that you choose something else instead. If your MediaWiki installation does not support anything but PHP, maybe it's time for an upgrade." < 1328668451 268298 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My epic burns, they slice so brutally! < 1328668949 628450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, going to the main wiki index now produces the super-helpful error message "File not found." < 1328668964 611686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Gregor. < 1328669069 394339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous tree-valued logic < 1328669069 484260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1328669069 484431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three < 1328669073 161007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps tree-valued would be more interesting. < 1328669181 751058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't MediaWiki always written in PHP? < 1328669220 469616 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fix something and it'll be "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" < 1328669281 658863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that would be the type for join, for a contravariant functor f. I think I made something once with that type. But is it correct? Can a transformer somehow be made from it? And so on? < 1328669530 756776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x -> m x or f (m x) -> m x would be the candidates, i guess < 1328669565 298027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So have you ever done nginx and PHP and FastCGI? :P < 1328669592 799896 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That would be the joke. < 1328669760 517666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I thought of both of those things, but am unsure if that is the only choice or if any of those work < 1328669774 978976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not gotten them to work) < 1328669790 1728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that might be simply because I did not try hard enough) < 1328669839 880966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (m x) -> x might be possible too, but not possible to use from an arbitrary m i think < 1328669930 672721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe if x = m y < 1328670231 673180 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328670598 242561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, freefall, breaking your leg is _not_ an acceptable way of prolonging a cliffhanger. < 1328670656 960939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328670658 482684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: you don't want to visit the frontpage if you don't like spoilers) < 1328670761 394887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree-valued logic. < 1328670771 15994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd better be a page on esolangs.org when I come back tomorrow. < 1328670779 568363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by me < 1328671757 730778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Blah < 1328671952 343561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1328671955 684730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FIXED IT < 1328671956 145048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328672285 323190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you make the esolang for Tree-valued logic. < 1328672388 230335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Cabal category does my program Hampp (Haskell macro preprocessor) should belong to? < 1328673119 658813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1328673121 771010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tables containing user-related data are no longer being dumped, so this should be a solved problem. --Graue 20:17, 1 Jul 2005 (GMT) < 1328673128 804986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Gregor. < 1328673136 366810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is now my outlet for all woes related to this endeavour.) < 1328673331 96280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah OK I'll get back to work. < 1328673331 467367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328673676 738798 :_net_split!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328673834 43372 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the answer? < 1328674452 655320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just selected 18) Other (specify) and entered "Preprocessor" as the package category < 1328674483 193766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there are no other packages having that category < 1328674626 785789 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update? < 1328674781 296310 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uploads a new version of kallisti. < 1328675187 586633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: coincidentally, this comment in a mathoverflow discussion linked today from the haskell subreddit speaks about whether FLT can be proved in weak arithmetic (it's still not concluded) http://mathoverflow.net/questions/35746/inaccessible-cardinals-and-andrew-wiless-proof/73197#73197 < 1328675263 981517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: someone is trying to prove that it can be done < 1328675344 696770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat may have had a proof in mind, but this is also unknown. All that is known is that it does not fit in the margin. < 1328675959 470282 :_net_split!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared|Away < 1328676264 905628 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides VMware's proprietary ESXi, are there operating systems primarily designed for virtualizing other OSes? < 1328676958 270596 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328677051 194680 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-157-189.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328677072 142237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do dependent sum types model existential quantification? < 1328677087 712836 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-134.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328677852 231776 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328678908 3711 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1328678912 547309 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! You're so lucky! < 1328678923 379899 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to bother you about something you know nothing about. < 1328678940 737472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how zen < 1328678953 485794 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't push your luck or it'll be you next. < 1328678966 775926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm good at knowing nothing < 1328679044 492916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION signs elliott up for Cat Facts < 1328679114 972733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat cacts < 1328679121 660000 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor isn't even here. Useless. < 1328679121 942197 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328679216 557015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328679237 894687 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328679246 486536 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328679376 71771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add additional package categories for my package, orhter than just "Preprocessor"? < 1328679579 172976 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328679590 791719 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1328680429 304523 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328680544 620245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the proper package file? http://sprunge.us/haMR < 1328684232 185397 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1328684582 623828 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328684702 691720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328685315 249662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328686653 469132 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328686821 543248 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if Conservapedia has an article on Alan Turing < 1328686822 238003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328686917 271345 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It talks about what you'd expect it to talk about, but doesn't put it in any particular light < 1328686936 466836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "Turing also became an atheist after his friend Christopher Morcom died [1]." is somewhat random < 1328686957 355373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no "God decided he had to die for being gay"ness? < 1328687055 291046 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no < 1328687055 556032 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Alan_Turing < 1328687067 390186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories: Mathematicians | Atheists < 1328687104 846991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Conservapedians are convinced atheism is the ultimate sin. < 1328687141 748213 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the article doesn't do anything that seems to try to portray him in a negative light. < 1328687149 127630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, as far as I can tell. < 1328687159 866584 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So throwing that in there doesn't seem helpful to that .. ideology < 1328687166 645158 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Alan_Turing < 1328687182 872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" All politics aside, any biographical entry on Alan Turing which doesn't mention his sexual orientation at all is woefully incomplete. Deliberately avoiding the subject for fear of endorsing it serves no purpose except to give readers the impression that Conservapedia is a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool." < 1328687185 27123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely neutral of them, I guess? I mean, these are the guys with an anti-relativity rant. < 1328687215 984820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not moral relativity, *Einsteinian* relativity) < 1328687276 958003 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, Einsteinian relativity leads to moral relativity! (Isn't that actually part of their ... thinking about it?) < 1328687385 768975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1328687391 480088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a strawman. < 1328687399 117716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I wish it were. < 1328687897 593123 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6eae.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328688633 730316 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders why there would be a discussion on the intellectual neutrality of editors on Conservapedia < 1328690119 600301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....where what? < 1328690128 962006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328690226 806991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the reason that it hasn't been butchered is that < 1328690237 879684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the computer scientists actually know who Alan Turing is. < 1328690243 700650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no one else has touched it. :> < 1328690306 21154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I guess mathematicians. < 1328690937 146304 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328691172 725664 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328691865 196714 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328693152 94126 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328693185 476728 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328694003 792239 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328696751 62771 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7C6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328701036 548430 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7C6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328701560 488994 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328705656 615596 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328707282 987290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328710036 770752 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-197-231.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328710126 81669 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328711444 86366 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328713186 638560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328713925 186294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : " All politics aside, any biographical entry on Alan Turing which doesn't mention his sexual orientation at all is woefully incomplete. Deliberately avoiding the subject for fear of endorsing it serves no purpose except to give readers the impression that Conservapedia is a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool." < 1328713945 87209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that even Conservapedia's /supporters/ recognize it as a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool ... < 1328715452 414232 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7C6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328715848 887196 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328717154 178310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328717751 912738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda "In the C# programming language a lambda expression is an anonymous function that can contain expressions and statements." < 1328717757 137828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THIS IS SOMEHOW NOTEWORTHY! < 1328718008 346116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah whoah whoah. < 1328718011 966902 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions AND statements??? < 1328718025 230976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the person who designed it doesn't have a Turing award? < 1328718097 986373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: inorite < 1328718102 848935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only one mentioned on the page < 1328718105 632710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's gotta be special < 1328718125 263292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it mentions Lisp and Python have lambda keywords (ha ha keywords in Lisp) < 1328718136 795262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the lambda calculus article: "The lambda calculus (or calculi, as variants exist, such as typed and untyped) is an advanced topic within both the fields of theoretical mathematics and of applied computer science; and, as such, lambda calculus involves technically sophisticated concepts such as bindings and substitutions." < 1328718142 875005 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sophsticated. < 1328718235 227721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1328718312 137859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied computer science eh? < 1328718347 69035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for "need lambda calculus experts" on all of the freelancing job sites. < 1328719301 284457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328719325 8440 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328719597 9746 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328719653 801493 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328719657 702707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328719767 498865 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Gunnerkrigg Court < 1328719883 267253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that you're the only one who read Gunnerkrigg Court, right? < 1328719883 868004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328719889 935028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1328719892 347520 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny that < 1328719897 805160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny that notion profusely < 1328719919 552263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here, at least. < 1328720011 483537 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328720229 572866 :PiRSquared|Away!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1328720427 411542 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i wonder what happened to nihilist dandy < 1328720454 551605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I convinced myself that I was a figment of elliott's imagination < 1328720461 536107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure how I managed that. < 1328721702 73346 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328721747 877777 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328721887 226367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1328721891 206032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I read it too. < 1328721893 875992 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1328721934 156427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out why the IOCCC had a category "Best non-chess game" in spite of having no chess game. < 1328721940 902252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner in that category has won twice with chess :) < 1328721959 141025 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1328721977 646694 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gregor < 1328721985 720215 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was the competition < 1328721995 713578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1328722006 996870 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it wasn't one of those things where you win because the only other contestant was a 12 year old kid from kentucky < 1328722009 98608 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to answer that question, I just submitted something then eventually got an email saying I'd won. < 1328722014 728381 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1328722021 986600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all behind closed doors. < 1328722022 826784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But was it INTENSE. < 1328722023 233044 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they post anything about the other contestants? < 1328722030 966008 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i do think so as well < 1328722035 961424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Yeah. About half are repeat winners. < 1328722039 251214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioccc.org/2011/whowon.html < 1328722053 347101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, not half, only about four actually. < 1328722061 995402 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a "yeah" to what? < 1328722067 836708 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1328722070 445435 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1328722074 666926 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i get it now < 1328722078 338022 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean the other winners < 1328722083 486204 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant other contestants that didn't win < 1328722099 575363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, by tradition they don't say how many or what other entries there were. < 1328722105 26549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since being on the page is the prize. < 1328722111 148591 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.. kind of weird and silly < 1328722112 924285 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like it < 1328722363 393140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In sorta-related news, the robotfindskitten.org guy, after two years of silence, newsposted that there's 8 new ports and that he'll post them over "the next several days"; then he posted four in six days, but after the fourth there's been no news in a week. Will be interesting to see if there's another two-year gap. < 1328722386 80957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's some sort of a graduate student, and those are notoriously unreliable, so... < 1328722402 683036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup. < 1328722748 945228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1328723349 270443 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328723538 132422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs at cybertown.com < 1328723583 772495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs at Sgeo visiting cybertown.com < 1328723613 931111 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is me visiting what was once one of my favorite places the least bit wtf-worthy? < 1328724196 570565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just WEIRD, man. WEIRD. Now I'm going back to watching my marathon of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and recordings of accordion virtuosos. < 1328725128 356782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328725180 692501 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328725201 358487 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328725212 390736 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328725541 306154 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328725557 338206 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328725572 312673 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328725833 417591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328725962 256919 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328726084 336909 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328726146 840713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328726443 153566 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :_net_split < 1328726626 676736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328726632 890604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328727213 104961 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328728622 8927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I watching fencing... < 1328728726 732625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fencing the sport, or fencing the border-defining erection? < 1328728770 402086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course mean "erection" completely innocently. < 1328728859 53847 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fencing as in selling stolen goods? < 1328729017 791231 :_net_split!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :AnnoyingEvent < 1328729126 313102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've never actually heard of that meaning of the word < 1328729128 949267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the sport. < 1328729191 674214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. < 1328729247 619750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken like a former fence. < 1328729333 496211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've never even heard of the word, and anyway I was completely elsewhere that night, and what pillowcases full of antiques?" < 1328729520 38827 :AnnoyingEvent!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Page opened < 1328730131 348183 :kallisti_!~eris@h115.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328730300 462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328731406 301779 :ineiros_!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328731467 521111 :ineiros_!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1328731658 172852 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi NICK :ineiros_ < 1328731814 99168 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0eb.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328731820 378729 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328731946 495125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1328732077 947361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328732120 798963 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328733138 176160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328734074 444910 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328734639 544334 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328735560 950430 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328736173 909422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328736332 528516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328736436 719245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today I convinced myself that I was a figment of elliott's imagination < 1328736457 198243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about to become a solipsist missionary, i take < 1328737021 347770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6 < 1328737200 409113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must've missed that discussion about #esoteric being oerjan's afterlife < 1328737296 257365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that discussion was just a figment of my imagination anyway < 1328737755 459687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1328737766 285766 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328737779 938623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is a figment of the imagination of a figment of your imagination < 1328738374 229120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well elliott seems no longer to be a figment. < 1328738411 169652 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328739293 381268 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328739391 358772 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328739467 625961 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328739527 949470 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congrats on winning in the least interesting category in ioccc < 1328739612 371974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's a surprisingly interesting category < 1328739670 374355 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328740695 487434 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328740726 628560 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328740976 603938 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1328742390 701965 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good'n < 1328742864 201222 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328743330 74596 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg u suck < 1328743341 567683 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: obviously gregor's category was the GREATEST < 1328743351 926784 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop LYING < 1328743483 872414 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328743613 926002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: congrats on winning in the least interesting category in ioccc ||| oklopol: obviously gregor's category was the GREATEST < 1328743617 78021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with both accounts. < 1328743630 244428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why it's such a great category is it's obviously a terrible category that makes no sense. < 1328743646 409779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's SUCH a stupid category that there must be a reason why they would include it! < 1328743714 260768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ask them to introduce that category? < 1328743746 634061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328743834 944562 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's my submission, please introduce the category so that i can win as the only contestant" < 1328743899 885740 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they clearly invented the category so I could win it. < 1328743914 976843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's how the whole category system works for IOCCC. < 1328743958 947005 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like starting a war to win the nobel peace prize < 1328743959 627984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328743978 301690 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not called for.. i haven't done my research there < 1328744214 924640 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328744244 538052 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328744410 343275 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jumping the gun a bit.. doesn't seem to be the case < 1328744458 752 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328744582 962692 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, when you see more details on my code later this month or next month, you'll understand :) < 1328745006 991255 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer