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< 1329873701 766661 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17|afk
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< 1329876941 567023 :PiRSquared17|afk!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17|bus
< 1329876947 363045 :PiRSquared17|bus!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17busy
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< 1329879988 28388 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i started writing an interpreter for a language but as i did so
< 1329880004 337782 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered the designer apparently had not been thinking at all
< 1329880020 85286 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposed to be esoteric but it was just bad
< 1329880075 438238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's most esolangs
< 1329880150 238879 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the better ones seem to be legitimately interesting though
< 1329882019 830604 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: http://leib.be/sascha/the-nil-programming-language/
< 1329882021 734317 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve
< 1329882399 974628 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329882457 902019 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 QUIT :
< 1329882681 401411 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-204.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1329882944 19340 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please kill me now.
< 1329882949 256920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329882957 700066 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to tutor some idiot who was asking for homework help on Freenode.
< 1329882970 155437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1329882977 713751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has a point.
< 1329882984 419726 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether secretly monqy = elliott.
< 1329882993 386722 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't say that in #irp, you may not like the result.
< 1329883314 686540 :PiRSquared17busy!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared
< 1329883391 471906 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1329883638 50779 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me: "Do you see any way to do an action for every edge that the vertex has?"
< 1329883646 546742 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me: "Those sort of things often have names ending with do: or Do:"
< 1329883654 856854 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He: " to:?"
< 1329885259 12565 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1329885316 2514 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any finns awake?
< 1329885349 265386 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION
< 1329885477 194119 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf'za finn?!
< 1329885488 510588 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true.
< 1329885497 930202 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you speak finnish?
< 1329885502 951014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak the Finnish, though. :-(
< 1329885542 188197 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless
< 1329885555 310262 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finn who doesn't speak Finnish?
< 1329885591 174309 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor Swedish.
< 1329885596 126152 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1329885596 579063 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to learn.
< 1329885604 604256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLEP
< 1329885741 152837 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity
< 1329885741 774349 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329885752 211543 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's no fluid, thats for sure!
< 1329885767 147044 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I was just insulted.
< 1329885775 809664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can figure out how, though.
< 1329886242 79324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... wut.
< 1329886269 730349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is a Finn who knows neither Finnish nor Swedish ... and isn't a fluid, which may or may not be a bad thing.
< 1329886315 893387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Finnish passport is being shipped today/tomorrow.
< 1329886351 329780 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, does Finnish citizenship come free with purchase of Finn-O's cereal?
< 1329886360 171646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1329886441 930190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing further to add *shrugs*
< 1329886486 263888 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Get yours today!
< 1329886500 274602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was also drafted.
< 1329886510 791561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329886530 545406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=TwoDucks&diff=prev&oldid=30309 opinions on this edit? TwoDucks' computational class /isn't/ known
< 1329886535 279467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's obviously TC
< 1329886542 635830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that we use TC to mean Turing-equivalent
< 1329886542 957586 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20111221135037]
< 1329886550 506987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many TC languages shouldn't have the category
< 1329886553 870700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's elliott.
< 1329886563 175102 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALAN DIPERT was in here, you know. Did you talk?
< 1329886572 214519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk howso?
< 1329886580 366230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communicate.
< 1329886670 526886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When?
< 1329886683 596654 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you started your search.
< 1329886813 719415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My search?
< 1329886914 833195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For a problem to be X-complete, it must be both X-hard and in X. If "Turing" is a computational class (all those things that can be computed on a Turing machine), then TwoDucks is certainly /not/ Turing-complete. It is only Turing-hard.
< 1329886932 331163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, "Turing" isn't a computational class, and our use of the term "TC" is something of an esocommunity invention :)
< 1329887018 990202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I very much doubt our use of TC was invented by us, considering I hear it everywhere.
< 1329887031 164957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TuringComplete
< 1329887041 773252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people saying "lol every language is same because all TC"
< 1329887070 316923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yeah, I'm thinking about renaming [[Category:Turing complete]] to [[Category:Turing equivalent]]...
< 1329887085 21704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR one of our other computational class categories is technically inaccurate too.
< 1329887113 836241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Computational_class Hm, perhaps not
< 1329887275 472840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this was discussed in the logs.
< 1329887277 886798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll revert the edit.
< 1329889638 902323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing-computable is totally a computational class.
< 1329889658 772508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turing-hard is totally well-defined
< 1329889945 79032 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-177.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329890235 616627 :kallisti!~eris@h200.20.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329890235 957641 :kallisti!~eris@h200.20.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1329890236 144462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329890405 591024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Who said anything about Turing-computable?
< 1329890447 871763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor said "if 'Turing' is a computational class"
< 1329890478 588643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the terms "Turing-hard" and "Turing-complete" are derived from the class Turing-computable
< 1329890583 776166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone come up with a better subtitle for Esolang.
< 1329890597 968113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to expurgate the existing one.
< 1329890615 12621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the current?
< 1329890663 121869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible.
< 1329890685 205387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wish you lived near this guy http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1329881702774.jpg
< 1329891172 243897 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the subtitle even visible anywhere
< 1329891185 162783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :title bar maybe
< 1329891269 32949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if title bar means what I think it means, it's not there
< 1329891275 469997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree
< 1329891285 47553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea whatt0 the subtitle is
< 1329891314 436028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible
< 1329891374 359764 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1329891384 848613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1329891389 295345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst subtitle
< 1329891415 711340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle is the only place i can find it
< 1329891461 20656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1329891465 33871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not so bad
< 1329891488 748062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very descriptive
< 1329891490 821278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1329891498 366644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of quirky
< 1329891508 921944 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quirky in a bad way I dislike lots
< 1329891510 893893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's visible in e.g. Whatever Blue
< 1329891517 928857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cologne Blue
< 1329891534 68355 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that's a different theme
< 1329891534 372423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=cologneblue
< 1329891534 558774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a theme?
< 1329891538 203656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one uses themes
< 1329891553 969599 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes, cologne blue
< 1329891581 347667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is super ugly
< 1329891600 611181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irrelevant
< 1329891613 688951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :site subtitle: hi
< 1329891615 309911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a good subtitle
< 1329891622 952587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean elliott's
< 1329891657 209094 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :site subtitle: hello
< 1329891663 467428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOLANG "Irrelevant"
< 1329891753 446333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting
< 1329891776 597121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than weirder than you
< 1329892160 548697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know a unicode character that looks like
< 1329892161 902559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh
< 1329892163 195855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like <
< 1329892167 769833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's one line splitting into two as it goes right
< 1329892197 536980 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⋚
< 1329892202 99591 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes that one.
< 1329892207 714729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be more than one line it splits into, too
< 1329892214 330007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Disambig_gray.svg
< 1329892216 401661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unicode :p
< 1329892242 902259 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a code point for the USB logo?
< 1329892264 331409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ≺ could work
< 1329892272 876684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one looks a lot like < to me.
< 1329892284 747570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's similar.
< 1329892288 606588 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⪪
< 1329892289 708323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ideal. :(
< 1329892306 804993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can't even see that.
< 1329892317 186960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks good on fileformat.info.
< 1329892330 481953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :᚜
< 1329892342 636873 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊰
< 1329892364 530784 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't really sure what elliott is after.
< 1329892473 864235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that looks like that svg. :(
< 1329892520 373386 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what you want.
< 1329892529 806236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Disambig_gray.svg
< 1329892545 405010 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete with the top line being an arrow?
< 1329892563 355071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And three things going out from the left?
< 1329892570 138730 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎃
< 1329892574 103304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just something that vaguely evokes the same thing as that.
< 1329892577 36294 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a great symbol.
< 1329892581 874779 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing evokes frustration in me.
< 1329893322 358360 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i don't seem to have that symbol
< 1329893348 129959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me to
< 1329893348 982852 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1329893351 225612 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1329893351 909008 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1329893356 705509 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually try ms pmincho to look at such
< 1329893780 787334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges LOOK AT WHAT I DO FOR YOU PEOPLE
< 1329894128 130696 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i see signifigant contributions by graue and smjg.. they should be proud of the esolangs.org
< 1329894721 644782 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, elliott dateup
< 1329894753 176036 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo welcomes elliott back to #esoteric
< 1329895965 734243 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hath abandoned His creation and returned to that of another.
< 1329896100 62969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know that you can write Haskell programs that actually DO things?
< 1329896134 302455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome back to #esoteric" - #esoteric
< 1329896177 104275 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell programs don't do things. Things do things.
< 1329896377 894444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I can't write Haskell.
< 1329896715 803990 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been reading about Common Lisp
< 1329896717 12192 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
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< 1329898673 342651 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What did you do?
< 1329898745 948929 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your last conttributions were 2008.
< 1329898748 617657 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t
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< 1329898923 565543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mRoman: Oh, I'm [[User:ehird]].
< 1329898934 60970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a handful accounts for confusing historical reasons.
< 1329898939 329857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely I kept forgetting they existed.)
< 1329898951 407041 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I see.
< 1329898983 82430 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a category for object-oriented esolangs?
< 1329899007 23656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Object-oriented_paradigm
< 1329899020 338099 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx.
< 1329899023 630633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The main categories are listed hierarchically at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Categorization.)
< 1329899153 664204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the look of the 99 bottles of beer program in Stlang, by the way.
< 1329899169 129804 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1329899251 985512 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack based hardly sounds esoteric to me >.>
< 1329899286 495771 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How's stack-based AND oop?
< 1329899356 403789 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Factor considered esoteric?
< 1329899359 764318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Similarly, since C is a non-esoteric imperative language, brainfuck is not esoteric.
< 1329899363 889927 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1329899388 260195 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1329899391 411190 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider APL as an esoteric language, but it's not classified as such.
< 1329899503 284842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is too practically-oriented to count as esoteric, I think. It would be nice if we had words to distinguish the "oddity" aspect from the "non-serious" aspect.
< 1329899555 586559 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/64158
< 1329899572 93360 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually can construct the diamond problem in Stlang
< 1329899574 964319 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow at least.
< 1329899658 83341 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok no.
< 1329899689 531946 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*try*
< 1329900303 837640 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :
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< 1329900484 418715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/LfHW ;; running queries directly on the database: bestest thing ever
< 1329900587 797303 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got this really great behavior where CapsLock both sends Esc *and* toggles lock.
< 1329900606 238929 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-177.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1329900630 744335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And xfce4-settings-helper and gnome-settings-daemon were running at the same time, as well as a script running xmodmap every second.
< 1329900665 180396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1329900673 722952 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/lbOQGID7 <- without overriding it's no problem (of course)
< 1329900675 651514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make things any worse?
< 1329900681 26653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three things applying settings simultaneously, a recipy for bestness
< 1329900689 702398 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/Fbgbt35l <- if everybody overrides everybody the last one wins.
< 1329900748 236774 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the classic diamond problem: The last one wins too.
< 1329900829 803954 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If D inherits from A, I'd call it the cyclic diamond problem :D
< 1329900836 216336 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1329900838 5973 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A from D
< 1329901159 100674 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/hG4cCjJT <- like that
< 1329901173 509348 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329901181 683654 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherit B C should be inherit B A
< 1329901200 790652 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't change anything anyway.
< 1329901551 316133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can safely say that multiple inheritance is esoteric.
< 1329903967 544844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new language! http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hollow
< 1329904299 912793 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1329904309 799308 :mRoman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :circular inheritance is way cooler.
< 1329905304 540426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid
< 1329905304 726733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329905998 961279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no there's a flux inversion in the parsoid cascade unit.
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< 1329909112 460722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :1 days since somebody new showed up actually looking for the /right/ definition of "esoteric" | This channel now has three members who are neither from Hexham nor Finland | (And 48 who are lying scoundrels) | Best for direct log access , See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers!
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< 1329909947 455127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: enjoy recent changes again :P
< 1329910030 986976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1329910198 480875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) regarding the subtitle, how did you _not_ consider the matrix there.
< 1329910249 778375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) maybe Category:Turing hard should be made a supercategory of Turing complete
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< 1329910310 177660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 reddit comments about oleg and call/cc
< 1329910315 821824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict 3 of them will be interesting or worthwhile.
< 1329910339 50620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because of the sum of distinct digits of 121 is 3?
< 1329910343 459646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (1) THAT'S NOT PROFESSIONAL
< 1329910354 285673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) How many pages would actually have that cat?
< 1329910356 740784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1329910386 692651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoDucks, Brainhype, Banana Scheme come to mind
< 1329910417 617595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, better question: how many articles in [[Category:Uncomputable]] /won't/ have it
< 1329910422 693822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1329910437 656020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which category is under discussion?
< 1329910451 725212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (2) maybe Category:Turing hard should be made a supercategory of Turing complete
< 1329910456 19366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the TwoDucks cat change
< 1329910462 388825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whoa, 46 changes in my RSS feed and they aren't spam?
< 1329910481 529423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncomputable languages that aren't TH seem vaguely pointless
< 1329910487 51975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, admittedly, so does most of the stuff on the wiki
< 1329910524 640737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even more surprising: many of them are Graue's
< 1329910535 611377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Gravity hasn't been proved TH, has it?
< 1329910536 537786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, most of them are still mine :)
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< 1329910541 92260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, *Atom :P
< 1329910566 646288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, only 46? there have been over 50 changes today
< 1329910576 211556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer to 100
< 1329910579 88996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, = looks bizarre in my feed reader's font
< 1329910596 591090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's using Atom, I just think of it as RSS because it does basically the same thing, and the user-visible differences aren't visible enough
< 1329910599 886764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like relieving Graue of the stress of administration made him start to contribute again.
< 1329910674 736844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well he did say he's become more interested in esolangs now. but for there to be any stress related to the wiki's administration he'd have had to do something other than ignore it ;)
< 1329910693 876377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCRASTINATION CAN BE HIGHLY STRESSFUL
< 1329910705 485637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask an expert, i.e. me.
< 1329910713 383975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: procrastination is not the same thing as being too busy to do something
< 1329910750 157089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see you upgraded to IE 9.
< 1329910817 304841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no i didn't.
< 1329910820 215142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1329910822 861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be someone else.
< 1329910826 105734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not convinced Gravity is TH
< 1329910833 177024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP doesn't support 9.
< 1329910873 533528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm also not convinced it isn't
< 1329910879 498957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be kind-of hard to work out
< 1329910905 827004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I see your IP now ;D
< 1329910920 769692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1329910967 915568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A logsnoop-liott.
< 1329910975 949046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it looks like Gravity is the only dubiously TH in Uncomputable
< 1329910985 516190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's addictive!
< 1329910992 596099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone just came in from *facebook*.
< 1329911049 324483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately nobody could concievably connect pc112.ics.hut.fi with me. (There might be a proxy on the way, though.)
< 1329911129 80620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, nobody told me about [[Special:LinkSearch]]
< 1329911132 562865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used SQL instead
< 1329911188 29291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we have special:linksearch now?
< 1329911194 152941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use it on the old server, but it wasn't there
< 1329911237 426765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah why the heck is Safalra disallowing the Web Archive?
< 1329911284 561264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://safalra.com/robots.txt looks like it's explicitly
< 1329911294 257436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i saw it
< 1329911303 383616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.stephenmorley.org/robots.txt same on his new site
< 1329911385 316177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: some people like to be able to remove content from their site permanently
< 1329911408 578977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : sheesh, nobody told me about [[Special:LinkSearch]] <-- yay! (assuming it's what i think it is)
< 1329911447 435027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's this golf course search tool.
< 1329911450 195339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you search for external links
< 1329911469 642479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right about that reddit thread, by the way, especially as Quadrescence has a ton of comments in it.
< 1329911501 610617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan: hey, do we want