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-lines" bit. < 1328106846 774017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it matches ^<. < 1328106854 427936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1328106942 459044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past DMM/whoever to have one extra-rare reply; let's hope my ten thousand attempts are enough for it to show up. < 1328106997 904764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and also < 1328107036 295529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e 1 = 1; e n = 1 + n/(n-1) * e (n-1) in e 11 < 1328107037 77848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33.218650793650795 < 1328107046 183541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1328107064 71635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but why? < 1328107106 592503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e 1 = 1; e n = 1 + n/(n-1) * e (n-1) in e 2 < 1328107107 442572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1328107112 396365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sounds so reasonable. < 1328107135 913732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your first try will always be a new item. and every try after that has (n-1)/n chance of not being the same as the first, which essentially rescales the expectation for n-1. i think. < 1328107249 868069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. (And what's the distribution for the length?) < 1328107269 230500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know < 1328107509 523455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all right; it doesn't count as a question anyway since I didn't formulate it in terms of balls and urns. < 1328107590 255879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at wikipedia's probability distributions template and none of them are obviously relevant. < 1328107612 443778 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328107932 644776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328108660 490772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look for something that has k!/(k^k) as the first nonzero value, I'm sure it's that. :p < 1328108681 902441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328108753 846635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorously, I tried a Google search for "k!/(k^k)" (with quotes), and the first hit is "KKK: Ku Klux Klan, this one's for you!" < 1328108761 370093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometric distribution : binomial distribution :: ? : multinomial distribution < 1328108838 729977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328108842 372403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem < 1328108859 382559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't remember the name < 1328108925 48200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was mentioned at the bottom of the geometric distribution article < 1328109109 418441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1328109234 882951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. I won't subtract points for the fact that there's only E(T) and Var(T) there, not a simple equation for P(T=t), on grounds of there also being a link to a nice generating-function approach for getting those E(T) and Var(T). < 1328109260 776278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mezzacotta's comic generator seems to have got better < 1328109276 231851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, the participants in each comic seem to react to each other now, if only at a rudimentary level < 1328109286 588462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm they always have < 1328109297 727170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah, at the very start they didn't < 1328109303 34559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just two independent conversations interleaved < 1328109427 85082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so. i recall them saying that they haven't made the generator possible to change without wiping out all the old comics < 1328109483 526560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, comics that haven't been watched in a while drop out of cache and get regenerated < 1328109646 786537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, but they've definitely added new characters < 1328109659 789016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either they just wipe out the old comics and nobody notices, or they use the old generator on previously visited comics < 1328109670 811191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wouldn't have to record the comics themselves, just the fact that they existed at one time < 1328109692 184886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they changed anything, it was _very_ early. < 1328109740 294464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was around pretty much at the start < 1328109746 181555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got mentioned on-channel < 1328109750 256937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I stopped reading it for years < 1328109843 599036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=5891 < 1328109881 139966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no versioning, so we can't change the algorithm, otherwise the hashes would produce different comics. Which is good and bad. Bad in that we can't improve the algorithms, good in that we can't improve the algorithms (and therefore don't spend inordinate amounts of our spare time doing so, which leaves us free to do other stuff, like Darths & Droids)." < 1328109958 869899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the belief that they've added new characters _could_ just be the coupon collector's problem hitting :P < 1328109969 627698 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328110058 294563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only exception i recall is that they once changed it entirely for April 1. < 1328110082 5563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110082 658238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328110082 711138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110097 808986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's alive! < 1328110142 51437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least his client. < 1328110332 768572 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328110749 656271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328112142 229305 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328112142 628112 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328112142 681376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328112208 474922 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1328112247 758335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328113566 53020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328114673 841248 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328115114 92126 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328115608 89123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328115765 16484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328115860 591316 :Systemzw1ng!miekko@infa.abo.fi NICK :Systemzwang < 1328117542 825383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how can a display driver download be 148 MB? That is quite insane. < 1328117601 257797 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because software programmers have stopped caring, maybe < 1328117609 3621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1328117610 247531 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everyone has awesome computers now, no need to bother!" < 1328117642 893554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the computer I'm installing it on is indeed awesome < 1328117716 179683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that is the windows display drivers, clicking custom installation reveals that the control panel component of it takes 150 MB of disk space. < 1328117750 766563 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the same reason that firefox is now OVER A GIGABYTE < 1328117758 579253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1328117759 224312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1328117772 949125 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1328117776 66970 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not! < 1328117777 280168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ubuntu claims 40 MB < 1328117783 715350 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was it on my old PC < 1328117783 837857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for installed size < 1328117788 971101 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just reinstalled windows) < 1328117793 245388 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because EVERYTHING WAS SLOW < 1328117796 355621 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that is why! < 1328117800 622297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, that is a windows problem :P < 1328117810 811530 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox was at an installed size of 1.20 GB or so < 1328117819 941158 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's 38 MB! < 1328117831 222798 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know < 1328117845 307639 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could go with some lame "I probably got some malwares" excuse < 1328117853 867024 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 1 GB sounds like a lot even for that < 1328117868 301945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame it being windows < 1328117879 143961 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 1GB I would hope at least to be monitored by the FBI < 1328117888 732947 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm on windows now, and it's not! < 1328117904 171757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, the other day windows decided that the experience index thingy was up to date but it refused to show the value < 1328117909 778470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until after a reboot < 1328117938 742468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 64-bit win7 pro btw < 1328117943 948693 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks I made an awesome new whatever it is that I make go download it it's 15GB < 1328117972 273302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, almost as large as my last panorama ;) < 1328118028 389088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I can't upload the panoramas I make as I would like them, I have to apply jpeg compression to get them down to reasonable sizes of 20-30 MB...) < 1328118083 15558 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I bought a pair of wireless headphones because I keep on breaking headphones by stepping on the wires 'til I break something. < 1328118095 871217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was one recently that when saved as a tiff with deflate compression (which is what hugin outputs) was about 370 MB) < 1328118098 424141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out how to network the audio so I could just leave the base station attached to my desktop (since moving it defeats the purpose) < 1328118112 715803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eventually discovered it's easier to network video, even while playing a movie, than audio. < 1328118113 962170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1328118120 402458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, err? < 1328118134 800263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean it is easier to do network audio than audio? < 1328118148 868905 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I eventually discovered it's easier to network VIDEO, even while playing a movie, than audio. < 1328118156 632000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1328118158 777146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1328118178 326128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm curious, how is the sound quality with wireless headphones? < 1328118186 836795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are they bluetooth based or?) < 1328118218 362883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ^ < 1328118289 138978 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're RF and probably quite interceptable, but the sound quality has been fine. I noticed I had to turn up the audio all the way on the desktop and turn it down to a reasonable level on the headphones or I start to get static, but it's not noticeable once the levels are adjusted properly. < 1328118303 279075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328118304 988925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when there's no other sound I can hear a bit of interference. < 1328118319 716396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would annoy the hell out of me < 1328118337 711669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about battery time? < 1328118396 173635 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only had them for a day, and they recharge in the base station so I don't really have any basis for judgement. < 1328118406 519391 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have two rechargeable AAA batteries. < 1328118451 530241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1328118528 277131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm you know the power connectors on modern apple laptops? they should use that for headphone cables... < 1328118592 814180 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that both ends are the problem for me. I step on the damned cable while I'm wearing them ... and my cat attacks the cable too ... < 1328118601 564019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cats < 1328118602 674734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1328118931 966413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1328119112 169500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328119546 740000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nvidia's "unified driver" is big partially because it supports so many different cards. But of course also partially because bloatiness. < 1328119576 939228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cats and headphone cables are indeed not a good equation. < 1328119614 427706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, someone ported robotfindskitten to that Lego Mindstorm NXT thing. http://robotfindskitten.org/aw.cgi?main=news.rfk < 1328119624 85542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the name, someone Finnish. Or at least of Finnish ancestry. < 1328120217 384204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328120222 964424 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120223 453206 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328120223 506041 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120231 796487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1328120247 94943 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120247 635413 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328120247 688593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328120362 739427 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1328120372 265801 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the worst error message is? < 1328120381 573607 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't move this file because the filename is too long" < 1328120393 100167 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're moving a folder with a few thousand files in it < 1328120397 798804 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can get annoying < 1328121027 634165 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328121686 928911 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-76-217.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328121714 133132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan At the moment, when 1640 samples have been taken, given the null hypothesis that the 11 variants are uniformly distributed, according to Pearson's chi-squared test, the p-value is 0.42, i.e. the deviation is not statistically significant. (But that's frequentist talk!) < 1328121714 434884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328124317 163457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328125125 574591 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328125137 250563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328125194 580857 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1328125238 839707 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection is rather slow < 1328125358 144823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, there's nothing useful in the Internet either. < 1328125382 315721 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although apparently stable? < 1328125396 995251 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1328125397 462595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1328125564 440538 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been over a minute, I suspect I may have lost connection < 1328125829 969523 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328127481 445128 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328127483 250788 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328127483 303760 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328127557 170485 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328128804 555062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328128825 239781 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328128874 422307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :,[.,]!elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY. < 1328128950 995108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328128951 338023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 36s ago: At the moment, when 1640 samples have been taken, given the null hypothesis that the 11 variants are uniformly distributed, according to Pearson's chi-squared test, the p- < 1328128951 748487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :value is 0.42, i.e. the deviation is not statistically significant. (But that's frequentist talk!) < 1328129102 985439 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129188 665622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (actually, I can't upload the panoramas I make as I would like them, I have to apply jpeg compression to get them down to reasonable sizes of 20-30 MB...) < 1328129227 365599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't someone around here experimenting with lossless settings for some common image or video compression? i think maybe pikhq < 1328129262 292788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was years ago, though < 1328129285 910012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the conclusion was it wasn't half bad < 1328129443 539402 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION halps oerjan
< 1328129463 731622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very nice < 1328129480 976310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: people get nicer when you murder them in their sleep. < 1328129528 273288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that zombie thing was way off < 1328129533 850340 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129551 32858 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just written a quick Dupdog interpreter in Haskell < 1328129586 663572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main function: < 1328129597 638840 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ join $ fmap (lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129606 644510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1328129623 316806 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second < 1328129653 975567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: join . fmap f is known as f =<< < 1328129655 267147 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ join $ fmap (maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129665 604159 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's probably handy < 1328129783 797774 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13136E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328129840 597976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl join $ fmap (maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,)))) getEnvironment < 1328129841 43252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe getContents readFile . lookup . map (uncurry (flip (,))) =<< getEnvironment < 1328129864 799320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookup < 1328129865 885183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq a) => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b < 1328129899 944997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getEnvironment < 1328129900 401800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Environment getEnvironment :: IO [(String, String)] < 1328129900 608423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Posix.Env getEnvironment :: IO [(String, String)] < 1328129900 704834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Posix.Env getEnvironmentPrim :: IO [String] < 1328129979 90994 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = runProg True $ fmap (Prog "") $ maybe getContents readFile . lookup "" . map (uncurry (flip (,))) =<< getEnvironment < 1328129983 941161 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a few typos as well < 1328129991 137153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1328130007 260752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, why would you lookup "" in that < 1328130028 494064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that finds a key without a value < 1328130078 75635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the world would you use that to get a filename? < 1328130083 771550 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because getEnvironment should return something like IO [("wrap","157"),("filename")] < 1328130088 899388 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm magical < 1328130097 771582 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't have a clue what I'm doing < 1328130128 405584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with using getArgs < 1328130134 567070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getArgs < 1328130134 969603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Environment getArgs :: IO [String] < 1328130135 174116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.UI.GLUT.Initialization getArgsAndInitialize :: IO (String, [String]) < 1328130171 377869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1328130202 653559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile < 1328130203 666709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[FilePath] -> IO String < 1328130210 433546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile =<< getArgs < 1328130211 292301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `getArgs' < 1328130214 22347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328130221 639279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . (++ [getContents]) . map readFile =<< System.Environment.getArgs < 1328130222 690562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO String < 1328130251 974494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1328130269 419458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: PROBLEM? < 1328130275 24512 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328130285 801212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally i'd use a case in practice myself < 1328130393 278566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm you have other flags too < 1328130453 413369 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't handle ending very well < 1328130477 432712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[("wrap","157"),("filename")] sounds like quite a "special" sort of list. < 1328130513 341462 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328130545 71212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come back you scoundrel < 1328130549 730579 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328130552 471501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: are you trying to parse the command line? because that is _not_ what getEnvironment does. < 1328130575 360887 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm trying to parse the arguments? < 1328130579 531624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's something getopt-like in there too? < 1328130581 377151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle getopt < 1328130581 576710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt getOpt :: ArgOrder a -> [OptDescr a] -> [String] -> ([a], [String], [String]) < 1328130581 934833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt getOpt' :: ArgOrder a -> [OptDescr a] -> [String] -> ([a], [String], [String], [String]) < 1328130581 987847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt module System.Console.GetOpt < 1328130605 37248 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a file name is provided in the arguments, it loads the file, otherwise it uses the command line < 1328130607 114887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the command line arguments? my point still remains. < 1328130625 407515 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1328130654 381176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, getOpt can be used for this. < 1328130656 207218 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god you're right < 1328130661 832484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe if he wants the program to be called as "wrap=123 thingie" instead of "thingie --wrap 123". < 1328130675 601876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would be _possible_ of course :P < 1328130690 146157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had a hunch that's not what he wanted. < 1328130718 131855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is exactly what I wanted < 1328130723 669048 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is weird < 1328130747 474752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh O_O < 1328130754 442179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here 'thingie' was your program, incidentally. < 1328130779 961449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_not_ the dupdog program, but the interpreter < 1328130792 696137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1328130793 695165 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1328130800 964263 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I want < 1328130802 551727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly sure how you wanted the filename thing to go in, since I doubt you can set "the environment variable with no name". < 1328130820 825662 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did with my latin vocab program? < 1328130828 391803 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using getArgs < 1328130830 836530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um he's looking up for no _value_, not name. < 1328130854 491082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, there's a flip in there somewhere? Okay then; though I suppose there might be several. < 1328130873 192972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :getArgs sounds like it has absolutely zero things in common with the environment variables. < 1328130878 969013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still confused what Ngevd actually wants.
< 1328130879 100186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: how would you write a complete command line for calling your interpreter with wrap and filename settings? < 1328130891 396552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would you like to write < 1328130899 328938 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog hello.dupdog wrap=157 < 1328130905 880264 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want that?? < 1328130913 972359 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I AM MAD < 1328130919 239413 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it made sense at the time < 1328130920 21058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1328130925 236041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know what the convention is < 1328130936 723763 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What's the convention? < 1328130939 839946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hm ok. dupdog hello.dupdog --wrap 157 would be easier to convinve getOpt to do, i think. < 1328130946 126038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c < 1328130960 830086 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1328130965 720575 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'cmdargs' package is a much nicer way to parse command line arguments in haskell < 1328130967 576409 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to getopt < 1328130982 578303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a package :P < 1328131023 603840 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well documented too < 1328131043 933658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain getArgs would give you ["hello.dupdog", "wrap=157"], which isn't too hard to parsemate, while I suppose getEnvironment would give you something like [("PATH", "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"), ("HOSTNAME", "something"), ("HOME", "/home/something"), ...]. < 1328131067 474979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood the function and never actually tested it < 1328131090 902662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :["hello.dupdog", "--wrap", "157"] is even easier to parse < 1328131096 284845 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also «IO [("wrap","157"),("filename")]» is not a thing ;P < 1328131177 347090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, dashes is indeed the most common convention. Though there certainly are commands that take "foo=bar" options. 'dd' comes to mind. < 1328131203 512119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone hates dd for being different, though. < 1328131241 765752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that needs only pattern matching, no breaking up of substrings. well i guess you _could_ do 'w':'r':'a':'p':'=':wrapping) < 1328131248 814423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I was trying for IO [("wrap","157"),("filenam","")] < 1328131459 913627 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also not a thing < 1328131482 103068 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is a type constructor, not a data constructor < 1328131494 33036 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except at the GHC implementation level, but that data constructor does something completely different and unreasonable) < 1328131518 248982 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value of type (IO T) is not a value of type T "tainted" by the fact that it's "in IO" < 1328131549 282365 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a description of an imperative program which, if executed, *would* produce a value of type T < 1328131556 504585 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no T inside < 1328131873 178143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getOpt Permute [Option "" ["wrap"] (ReqArg id "wrapping size") "wrapping size" `fmap` getArgs < 1328131881 805919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1328131889 345287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getOpt Permute [Option "" ["wrap"] (ReqArg id "wrapping size") "wrapping size"] `fmap` getArgs < 1328132575 898833 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132587 20254 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328132587 73336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132818 711263 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132910 356490 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328132943 594740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328132960 269594 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132960 573162 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328132960 626059 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328132985 314843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes... < 1328132988 471465 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is really frustrating. < 1328133078 955624 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328133411 990544 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328133426 40924 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328134100 777250 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13136E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758] < 1328134331 997919 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C135.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328134887 685202 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1328135205 441425 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328135207 320057 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just flying around to say look at this crap: http://hpaste.org/57301 < 1328135211 386155 :Taneb!02635618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.99.86.24 QUIT :Client Quit < 1328135475 135359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328136280 584884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb er... Dupdog is not supposed to have a program pointer, you always take the first character. Also your eval' is an infinite recursion (hint: unless you are writing generic combinators, a function argument with IO type is usually a mistake.) < 1328136280 904979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328136587 140180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb also, fail "Error: check the wrapping size you gave is a valid number." is misleading - nothing will check if the number is valid by that point. < 1328136587 440491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328137081 828176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I can see how "The next character is read" might give you that impression though - but note that (I clearly recall) the initial inspiration for dupdog was the idea of two irc bots reacting to each other's lines as entirely new commands, for which such a remembering of position doesn't make sense. < 1328137082 67933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139134 196626 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328139610 471295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Hmm, that's funny... if I calculate the chi^2-score right, after 3370 samples I could say the distribution is in fact *not* uniform, at p=0.03, i.e. that the probability for getting at least as non-uniform results if they were actually from a uniform distribution is just 0.03. < 1328139610 789795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139631 665153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I might be calculating it wrong, though. < 1328139631 910126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139689 580898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie OKAY < 1328139690 40267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328139708 323652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, uh, right, maybe the @tell bit was a bit... < 1328139708 563211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328139716 614397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have messages! < 1328139726 379927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message < 1328139726 615848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages? < 1328139728 380693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328139728 686581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 38s ago: OKAY < 1328139741 858745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just *you*. :( :( :( < 1328139761 542823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terrible < 1328139780 38048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking "@message" should also work, but only in the case where you actually do have a single message. < 1328139793 997657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1328139812 692551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is 3370 how much you have in total? < 1328139838 307787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, it's 3406 now. < 1328139881 654349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the ratio of largest to smallest item? < 1328139916 991867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.3. < 1328139924 431223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not overly large :P < 1328139935 919737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :376/289, to be more exact. < 1328139954 497456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small to be an intended difference, me thinks < 1328140833 156767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-80.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328140842 641003 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-65.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328140865 149172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current counts, FWIW: http://sprunge.us/aaSI < 1328140912 662070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fi:aasi = en:donkey. < 1328140993 687827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be an ass about it < 1328141046 16906 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:perse ≠ en:per se < 1328141057 442598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^.^)aaS < 1328141057 495910 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((^.^)) < 1328141141 896393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, I didn't really expet your script to be running that long < 1328141145 90979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expect < 1328141154 28082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hmm, that's an interesting distribution < 1328141160 79773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I'd expect that from a uniform distribution or not < 1328141183 931876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I compute the chi2 statistic right, you probably shouldn't. < 1328141225 305539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should expect only three out of each hundred uniform distributions to be that out of whack.) < 1328141348 90952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's still not any sort of proof. But it's a larger difference that you'd expect (in a non-mathematical sense, I haven't calculated any numbers about this) from the bias inherent in rand()%11 with RAND_MAX of 2^31-1 or whatever. < 1328141514 724056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with just 0..32767, you'd expect 0..9 to be just 1.0003 times more common than 10, 11, which is not a difference you'd see here. < 1328141943 201849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328143097 552184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328143141 602561 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328143173 587213 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328143373 376892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle freeHaskell < 1328143373 691790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Ptr freeHaskellFunPtr :: FunPtr a -> IO () < 1328143450 234949 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328145275 866874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Nagapattinam, Tamil Nadu, India, there is apparently a Sir Issac Newton College of education and (possibly distinct?) Sir Issac Newton Polytechnic College. < 1328145289 637065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all web evidence those are the official spellings. < 1328145404 900397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing best < 1328145465 986855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this small personal task i occasionally take, to search wikipedia for that particular misspelling. < 1328145494 421438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you should have seen how common it was before the first time i did so :P) < 1328145525 782532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently issac is a real name and also a commune in france < 1328145541 630718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328145920 499925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sinc.in/ < 1328146223 392403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't happen to have marvel S.H.I.E.L.D. comics? i need to find out if Issac Newton is actually misspelled in those :P < 1328146250 446322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if i can change the two relevant wikipedia pages < 1328146264 354240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION already asked on the Talk: page, mind
< 1328146267 182278 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what those are :( < 1328146289 534979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of secret organization superhero comics < 1328146293 160344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1328146365 651030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ancient, which is how Iss?aa?c Newton was a member < 1328146676 959793 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-061-071.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328146728 586923 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-163.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328146939 391797 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328146963 216820 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C135.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328147649 401481 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat someone made a dupdog thing? < 1328147697 467807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tried to. it's not exactly finished. < 1328147723 480706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinterpreting the spec doesn't help either < 1328147734 85355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a poorly written spec doesn't help either. < 1328147784 127541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't looked at the source, but immediately recommends not using String as the data/program representation
< 1328147813 376962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've thought for a while that dupdog is like made for using ropes < 1328147849 777043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you could interpret it usefully even if the size of the full expansion blows up exponentially < 1328147881 240805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ropes with a reversal flag, to be precise) < 1328148098 847813 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would be good < 1328148111 968825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence would work well I think. < 1328148152 623022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is i'm not sure if Data.Sequence has enough sharing. < 1328148165 336016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also needs reversal added. < 1328148200 653604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want duplication to be cheap < 1328148212 749639 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1328148231 400870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversal would simply be a matter of changing which view you use, right? < 1328148252 135029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... actually yes < 1328148267 798411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you never concat things with mismatching reversal < 1328148273 189336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe <> is something like O(min(a,b)) < 1328148284 755183 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't too bad. < 1328148299 7782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ideal. < 1328148328 340917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er shouldn't there be a log in there < 1328148351 172597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1328148354 715098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's >< < 1328148398 306509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to expand on the idea of dupdog but isn't sure which direction to go.
< 1328148430 726057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, a rope does that particular part in constant time. but i guess the logarithm then comes back when looking at the end instead. < 1328148440 345331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1328148462 83643 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328148531 288232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think reversal is a useful operation < 1328148538 875215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but duplication isn't, aside from looping infinitely < 1328148545 463086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a really clumsy manner. < 1328148586 969143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure. note that duplication and then running a few commands means the two parts are no longer equal. < 1328148600 940553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true. < 1328148700 338526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one parametric command would be of value. < 1328148715 257745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps to control the transliteration < 1328148804 2987 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest one I can think of would be sab, which substitutes every a to b < 1328148812 80325 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would consume the entire 3-character command < 1328148876 566505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this would make dupdog quite a bit more powerful, though I'm not sure how to quantify how. < 1328148927 448477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1328148930 151836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not dupdog anymore < 1328148934 51824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because obviously the semantics are different < 1328148958 865770 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the idea of advancing forward in a string, with each character modifying the source code in some simple way, remains. < 1328151530 772079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goof night < 1328152717 653455 :ion_!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328152937 373300 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: switching to weechat for now < 1328152937 474474 :ion_!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1328153127 525128 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328153138 370685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-80.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328153968 814372 :Baco_!~Baco@2a01:e35:139c:6bc0:1a3d:a2ff:fe55:dbd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328153988 951018 :Baco_!~Baco@2a01:e35:139c:6bc0:1a3d:a2ff:fe55:dbd0 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328155399 986244 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your professor might be laughably archaic if: they demand a hardcopy submission of code < 1328155696 726852 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti has been i[dated < 1328155698 688838 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i[date < 1328155699 516931 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1328155701 449096 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :updatd < 1328156524 108613 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328156524 415170 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328156524 468036 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1328163557 334880 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328163574 787835 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho man < 1328163646 373998 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language with: +, -, ! (C style logical not), non-deterministic < 1328163654 243320 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is turing complete I think < 1328163704 469564 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with non-deterministic = in the "prolog" kind of way < 1328163745 229189 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :program flow and arrays can be hacked from the non-deterministic logic < 1328164061 723255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did it? < 1328164089 387905 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I dunno how to write an interpreter < 1328164096 631334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1328164098 216295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki? < 1328164100 460174 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely I dunno how to garbage collect it < 1328164113 609917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it the prolog way? < 1328164127 599946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1328164130 188404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dont < 1328164134 75387 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia : essentially it's a numeric version of this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fatmouse < 1328164139 988347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gc is an implementation detail < 1328164147 888183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you never free anything < 1328164152 744133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language will work < 1328164154 904631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory < 1328164160 465705 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia : I'm exploring "grow only" languages < 1328164170 847767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esoteric languages are all about working in theory < 1328164177 345394 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie languages where you can't change the value of a variable once it's defined < 1328164236 100254 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328164249 367079 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to do something like interpret a brainfuck program, you create a new copy of the BF program state on each cycle < 1328164271 542236 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's turing complete < 1328164308 227397 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I want to do an interpreter, I'd like to be able to execute an infinite number of loops in finite memory at least < 1328164320 753491 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I have to figure out how to garbage collect it < 1328164349 688433 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem: in a normal language, your variables eventually get dereferenced < 1328164357 685624 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can garbage collect them < 1328164390 821787 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328164407 204055 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a full hard drive cause kernel panics? < 1328164408 570539 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in this case, how do you know a given variable can't generate any new values and can thus be collected? < 1328164544 421345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcing in fatmouse is easy: no data needs to ever be collected except the output buffer < 1328164595 936660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, every time a variable is consumed, all conditions in the program are checked. those that are satisfied are deleted. < 1328164598 591593 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then it's impossible to interpret it without leaking memory like crazy < 1328164609 941109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a variable has no conditions, it is deleted. < 1328164624 108700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*consumed < 1328164657 819526 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328164806 415220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterative conditionals just require you to keep around a short list of ranges that have been consumed. badly behaved programs could misuse this, but...garbage collection never works on badly behaved programs anyway < 1328164853 42277 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328164992 502032 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1328165003 46609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "array.x.x array.x-1.x-1" example might cause problems in a naive algorithm, but i can think of a way to handle such things efficiently < 1328165234 172194 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can see how it's possible < 1328165238 501400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a particularly nasty one might be "a.x.y a.x-1.y-1;a.x.y a.x-2.y;a.x.y a.x.y-2;a.1.1" < 1328165246 531321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a checkerboard pattern < 1328165290 6639 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially a memory leak < 1328165299 352711 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an infinite loop < 1328165302 340865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1328165335 459204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens in fatmouse if the same variable is listed twice with different conditionals? < 1328165351 509960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as above) < 1328165410 871352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing it's a disjunction over the conditional sets < 1328165422 469492 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if < 1328165431 79043 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b a < 1328165432 608720 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b c < 1328165448 462395 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if either a or c get defined, b gets defined too < 1328165455 273682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep makes sense < 1328165549 663089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a loop that stops looks like "a.x a.x-1 x<10;a.1"? < 1328165586 322996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :with, uh, suitable parens where needed? < 1328165698 31298 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328165929 555360 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1328165937 274337 :madbr!189dfdbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1328167133 905659 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1328168595 376017 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328171553 858935 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328173241 431352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328174882 112913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that makes no sense < 1328174885 30285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ssh -X to a computer < 1328174889 630378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to open something in Firefox on it < 1328174894 907825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it opens on my local Firefox install instead < 1328174923 319819 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox is evil that way. < 1328174938 836210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more nonsensical than evil < 1328174992 488680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it works the other way too < 1328175001 765249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I close Firefox locally and open the remote Firefox < 1328175011 422436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then trying to open Firefox locally just opens a new window on the remote Firefox < 1328175044 801845 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1328175064 117867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Firefox process, when started, looks for existing Firefox /windows/ < 1328175070 972841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it finds them, signals them to do what it was trying to do < 1328175079 722424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than looking for existing Firefox /processes/, which would make more sense < 1328175123 672660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first time I realised that sshing into the computer lab downstairs to print something made more sense than physically going there < 1328175138 41157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm annoyed that I can't browse the web meanwhile < 1328175150 644322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that there was a workaround, though. (I've used a remote Firefox sometimes to access our 'intranetty' things, and I don't recall having to close the local Firefox.) < 1328175171 200260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : -no-remote Open new instance, not a new window in running instance. < 1328175173 979128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that one. < 1328175234 395955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not possible to run two separate Firefoxes using the same profile even with that, but it should be okay to run something on a remote computer, since presumably it's not using the same profile. < 1328175252 685093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is, e.g. over NFS, I think it might not be the best of ideas.) < 1328175379 279704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also latest counts for 6797 samples: http://sprunge.us/GjLD -- and the chi2 score is 60, which corresponds to virtual certainty of rejecting the "uniform distribution" hypothesis (p=10^-9 or so). < 1328175385 551993 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1328175389 822545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange sort of bias, though. < 1328175501 408996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it isn't in this case < 1328175517 89462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for that distribution, I'm wondering if it's intended to be uniform but the randomizer is broken < 1328175766 310304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds possible, though I wonder how it is broken, and if it's time-seeded whether my ten-second polling interval has something to do with it. < 1328176039 290251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe after the 10k-sample run has finished I should make a forum post. They have forums, right? Though maybe it's a 'faux pas' to speak of the About page without pretending not to notice the randomness. < 1328176465 573829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta has forums, I think they apply to everything hosted there < 1328176584 475757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a "Comments on a Postcard"... uh, group? topic? area? region? forum? shindig? hunting ground? ...in there. < 1328176712 641913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I've already download 40 megabytes' worth of data, I'm not entirely sure I want to admit that. < 1328176758 492237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The page sizes range from 2912 to 4360 bytes.) < 1328177475 41374 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328177650 104799 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328179468 1815 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328179510 912601 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328181484 764499 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328181663 464386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case, also fed the numbers to MATLAB's χ2-goodness-of-fit test, and it agrees on the unlikeliness: http://sprunge.us/SSQL < 1328181852 694087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, http://sprunge.us/EjLY -- misread the documentation for 'nparams'. < 1328181897 85748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly I *was* wondering about the p = NaN bit, thought it'd underflow to 0 instead, and that it wouldn't be *that* small quite yet. < 1328182207 87104 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328182319 715199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seemed a bit weird to me too < 1328182326 497192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaN means "no probability", rather than "no chance" :) < 1328182599 206786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I disregard the highest-numbered count, I get p=0.0596, which isn't yet quite unlikely enough. < 1328182678 365861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1328184412 624292 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1328184537 456665 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1328187067 274507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328188953 465113 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328188999 938365 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328189371 623712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328189688 973342 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B769.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328190480 834151 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328190486 320057 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.137 QUIT :Changing host < 1328190486 373034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328191769 78580 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-163.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328191781 509609 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-040.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328191871 203084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328192721 508950 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-040.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328192852 716118 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-040.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328193122 856789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328193196 640603 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-035-022.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328193311 490408 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY did my HD just go read-only? < 1328193335 259981 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-023-040.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328193468 625643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remount-as-read-only is one common response to errors. < 1328193491 263703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "errors=remount-ro" mount option. < 1328193528 851852 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: dmesg | tail < 1328193573 724341 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry in advance for incoming flod < 1328193576 343907 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo@sgeo-Satellite-A105:~$ dmesg | tail < 1328193576 397063 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216422] ecryptfs_write_inode_size_to_header: Error writing file size to header; rc = [-30] < 1328193576 397259 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216429] Error writing inode size to metadata; rc = [-30] < 1328193576 397370 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216612] ecryptfs_write_inode_size_to_header: Error writing file size to header; rc = [-30] < 1328193576 397476 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216619] Error writing inode size to metadata; rc = [-30] < 1328193576 806840 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216633] ecryptfs_write_inode_size_to_header: Error writing file size to header; rc = [-30] < 1328193578 810717 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28984.216640] Error writing inode size to metadata; rc = [-30] < 1328193580 761752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28991.831985] ecryptfs_write_inode_size_to_header: Error writing file size to header; rc = [-30] < 1328193582 864014 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28991.831996] Error writing inode size to metadata; rc = [-30] < 1328193584 813420 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28991.832082] ecryptfs_write_inode_size_to_header: Error writing file size to header; rc = [-30] < 1328193586 725418 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28991.832089] Error writing inode size to metadata; rc = [-30] < 1328193601 169746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've just said "repeats N times". < 1328193616 459787 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it isn't remounted RO, but .. something else? < 1328193616 963615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the last 10 lines weren’t enough, you’ll need to look at more of it. dmesg | less and scroll around. What happened before those errors? < 1328193645 161457 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[29068.269545] ecryptfs_encrypt_page: Error attempting to write lower page; rc = < 1328193645 280030 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-30] < 1328193645 332975 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[29068.269553] ecryptfs_writepage: Error encrypting page (upper index [0x0000000 < 1328193645 333142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :000001cd3]) < 1328193659 511981 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That occurs a bunch of times < 1328193666 596133 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's the earlier errors I pasted before then < 1328193690 302645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's very confused right now. The first error is often the most relevant. < 1328193698 870363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything about problems with the actual device (that might be a hardware issue) or just ecryptfs problems (that, if alone, looks like a software bug)? < 1328193700 854006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it comes from some lower level than ecryptfs. < 1328193713 947953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hit the top of dmesg < 1328193717 447486 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More encryptfs stuff < 1328193728 65703 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1328193735 221276 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confused PageUp and PageDown < 1328193740 216481 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be a symptom of bad RAM or other faulty hardware, too, but probably not e.g. a broken HDD. < 1328193761 639343 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :encryptfs errors fill dmesg < 1328193783 844062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a similar issue last night too. I needed to restart in recovery, let that take place, then booted up < 1328193806 696768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :less /var/log/syslog, something useful might have managed to go into it. < 1328193844 931814 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DY ERR } < 1328193845 86504 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feb 2 01:59:33 sgeo-Satellite-A105 kernel: [ 1458.247678] ata1.00: error: { ICRC ABRT } < 1328193853 401772 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feb 2 01:59:33 sgeo-Satellite-A105 kernel: [ 1458.247639] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE DMA < 1328193867 225677 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just posting interesting looking ones. And the last one I posted was before the first) < 1328193890 98485 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feb 2 01:59:33 sgeo-Satellite-A105 kernel: [ 1457.858737] ata1.00: exception Em < 1328193890 218154 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 < 1328193903 759423 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feb 2 01:59:33 sgeo-Satellite-A105 kernel: [ 1457.489310] res 51/84:18 < 1328193903 876593 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::a8:01:c5/84:01:06:00:00/e6 Emask 0x30 (host bus error) < 1328193919 59709 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole bunch of these: < 1328193920 894721 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feb 2 01:59:32 sgeo-Satellite-A105 kernel: [ 1457.473124] Buffer I/O error on d < 1328193921 50471 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evice sda1, logical block 13147229 < 1328193944 257381 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that does look like a broken HDD. < 1328193955 462147 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ecryptfs problem is just a symptom of it. < 1328193961 869890 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1328193964 40393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the SATA port, that can be flaky too. < 1328193986 638655 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My HD is a bit loose in the thing, is there a nice way to tell if it just sort of lost connection or if there's damage? < 1328194007 381577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. But every HDD breaks sooner or later, SATA controllers are quite a bit less likely to just break by themselves. < 1328194022 552169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run some sort of a 'badblocks' scan over it. If it's just intermittently flaky, it shouldn't find errors consistently at the same location. < 1328194024 7587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connect it to another computer. < 1328194087 873985 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I try some sort of SMART thing? < 1328194091 367850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deleteBy (const (== 3)) undefined [1,2,3,4,5,3,6,7] < 1328194092 501190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,5,3,6,7] < 1328194118 357872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know if I have any such thing already installed < 1328194131 72098 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartctl -a /dev/sda | less < 1328194157 720847 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program 'smartctl' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: < 1328194157 845210 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install smartmontools < 1328194176 886570 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to get ready to head for school
< 1328194181 654495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: didn't you have a broken HD before (and got everyone annoyed by not following their salvaging advice...) < 1328194190 598588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you hear about my latest CHI^2 SCORES. < 1328194192 410645 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :udisks --dump | less < 1328194194 5759 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is a different HD < 1328194224 120021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IT'S JUST FATE CHECKING IF YOU'VE LEARNED FROM THE PREVIOUS EPISODE, HTH < 1328194243 725512 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn’t seem he’s losing any data. He hasn’t mentioned a lack of backups, which probably would be on the top of one’s mind if there are HDD problems *and* no backups. :-) < 1328194248 543659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles sadistically
< 1328194257 551480 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backups"? < 1328194259 144157 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1328194275 633861 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't have much of anything important on here. I think. < 1328194280 963615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i saw something about almost certainly not uniform < 1328194293 461373 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except my logs < 1328194296 694784 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love my logs < 1328194310 262450 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… udisks --dump | less < 1328194335 66611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The status column is filled with good and n/a < 1328194349 556060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1328194352 488985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's like p=10^-11 likely get a this nonuniform sample if it actually were uniform. < 1328194382 966616 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/7eaa3bfslg7sdekiroftg < 1328194429 721862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ideally with enough data you should get the real fractions of probabilities; if they are close to simple rationals that should give a hint... < 1328194442 981713 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d connect the disk to another computer and see what happens. < 1328194451 468175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*approximations to < 1328194466 822664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"udma-crc-error-count" *sounds* like it might be an issue somewhere between the processor and the disk. < 1328194513 91361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1328194527 841281 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could that be caused by a loose connection? < 1328194533 361668 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could. < 1328194555 243119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if there are two tiers, one with probability p and one with probability q, as you'd expect if it was (x % 11) applied to something that _is_ uniform in some integer interval < 1328194560 357925 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really get a mount for this thing < 1328194573 550755 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, I should probably resist the temptation to take it off the table < 1328194601 939493 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to restart < 1328194607 461793 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try fixing it with XML. < 1328194612 326609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, though normally you'd expect that x to be uniform in [0, 2^31-1] or something, in which case the difference from that would be quite small indeed. < 1328194618 790900 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328194633 387000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any bets whether it’ll boot? :-P < 1328194675 401993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Normalized" counts -- as in, count/expected, which would give [1 1 ... 1], are: 1.28168 1.09694 1.02814 0.97209 0.96826 0.96699 0.95807 0.94915 0.93896 0.93514 0.90456. < 1328194702 327966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Last time I tried after ignoring the largest one, the rest weren't quite yet abnormal enough to reject the null hypothesis. < 1328194839 219751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently MATLAB's saying p=0.01 even for the "other ten" ones. < 1328194889 993530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you you _shouldn't_ normally be getting 0.05 from something that is uniform, even if that's not sufficient for discarding a scientific null hypothesis < 1328194928 476499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hm < 1328194934 687848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should be getting 0.05 from about every 20th experiment, I suppose. < 1328194961 158609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1328194970 827721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't quite the normal case, is it < 1328195039 546834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for there to be only a largest one that has higher probability, the interval before x%11 should have length 11*y+1 < 1328195069 904664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 1 + 1/y is the excess in probability < 1328195082 165840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and for 1.3 y is kinda small. < 1328195135 334453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = 3 or 4, giving 34 or 45, which are strange numbers to choose < 1328195165 196606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for the interval of 16, implying two iterations of the Befunge '?'. < 1328195196 907494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 would have been perfect if there was precisely one item _less_ likely than the rest < 1328195201 122988 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328195205 683361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there are all those stories about patterns in bad RNGs. < 1328195223 667001 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recovery thing worked last night... < 1328195233 977756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it could be he's generating it from a time stamp, as well. < 1328195274 406022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main mezzacotta comic uses a date (although not the _present_ date) < 1328195285 37530 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was just being slow < 1328195291 822782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeding from the current second is rather popular too. < 1328195323 471808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if my ten-second sampling interval is relevant. Or actually it's "fetch, delay of at least 10 seconds, fetch, delay ...", so the rate is in fact something close to 11 seconds. < 1328195347 461124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not close to 11, but over 10, anyway. < 1328195372 367320 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the present date? < 1328195384 883515 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for the present day's comic? < 1328195542 115095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's always just the date you specify, which for the present day's comic happens to coincide with the present date. < 1328195705 684053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here's the counts graphically: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/mezza.png -- make of that what you will. But it doesn't quite look two-tiered. < 1328195878 411232 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328195882 595871 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1328195892 541611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to rest this laptop on my lap for a while < 1328195985 637495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-39.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328196018 417307 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328196033 442172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you remove both the two largest items, what then? < 1328196137 936077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9*6 + 7 + 8 < 1328196137 989089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stares sternly at lambdabot
< 1328196138 948759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 69 < 1328196195 421804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmm wouldn't choose that number, would he. < 1328196307 262082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that number about? < 1328196333 584972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1328196351 919975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently fizzie wouldn't either. < 1328196375 494073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, I know the result, I was just wondering about the 9*6+7+8 briefly. < 1328196414 958094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing what if the two top numbers are special < 1328196435 84944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that seemed like a close approximation < 1328196456 362784 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328196488 593534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. Though I'm not sure if my current results match that terribly well. Though the smaller the differences, the harder it is to say. < 1328196545 383187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistically there should be _some_ outliers < 1328196762 831961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :p-values for selecting the sets 1..11, 2..11, 3..11, 4..11 and 4..10, respectively: 7*10^-5, 0.0129, 0.4662, 0.8690, 0.9666. < 1328196781 148090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, indeed, after discarding the top two it's not distinguishable from uniform. < 1328196805 535743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the 4..10 set is quite a lot more uniform-ish that you'd expect.) < 1328196817 835965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328196869 726068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's done 8861 samples now, so it'll be finished this evening. < 1328196885 130057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three more hours or so. < 1328197136 686258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, posthumous s/-5/-15/ too. < 1328197662 118822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1328197687 180063 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1328198077 78171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1328198077 351795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1328198605 327990 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-035-022.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328199005 213322 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328199414 628847 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328199752 972711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1328199753 539802 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's a defined format for data:// is reasonable. i concede that there may be < 1328201963 381071 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328202103 780339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328202136 376520 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328202835 570335 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foop < 1328202896 332462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that the opposite of a sudden vanish? < 1328202996 137990 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1328204997 506011 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328205118 526744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328205172 814245 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1328205668 697316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328205706 172021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328205706 374171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1328205713 313366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear < 1328205713 559890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1328205735 39003 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about Haskell Obfuscation < 1328205742 841436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t null . guard < 1328205743 724234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool -> Bool < 1328205753 654273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> null $ guard True < 1328205754 615729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1328205757 340700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> null $ guard False < 1328205758 330512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1328205771 486501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less clear version of "not" < 1328205823 782240 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1328205877 913785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need that < 1328205918 417854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, point-free style seems to have a lot of point symbols < 1328205956 13743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> y x (z x) < 1328205956 287254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (flip . ((.) .) . flip id) (flip id) < 1328205962 39051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 in that < 1328205990 388210 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't have a decent IRC client on this computer < 1328206121 447785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are just dots; and note that it's full of nice round ()s instead of pointy ->s. Not that it's relevant, but still. < 1328206488 398782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328208878 530379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-39.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328208895 473587 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328209252 873057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Final counts: http://sprunge.us/CejV < 1328209253 300670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328210118 563643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-24.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328210691 512901 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328211577 753758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-247.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328211632 92877 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-206.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328213051 563081 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328213663 941444 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328213664 45470 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328213664 98729 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1328214108 320418 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1328214594 228801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. it occurs to me that ideas of generalizations only hold true alongside things like platonic ideals < 1328214616 754678 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311CD.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328214706 808222 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that note it has never been true i think that humans need anything more than a simple roof over their heads, a bit of food, clean water, exercize, and plenty of medicine in order to achieve maximum potential lifespan < 1328214740 274239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why on that note? well i mean humans do not need plato for anything but medicine < 1328214946 104111 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans need those things to survive; to live, though? < 1328215047 359451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i dont think plato is vital for medicine but the idea of looking at things as platonic solids is fairly necessary probably for the weird science stuff which enables the creation of medicine i am guessing < 1328215067 122693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: oh yeah.. hmm you're right < 1328215155 880139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: so if someone is walking down the street with a gun i couldn't give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just going to hunt some boars... but i would be very tempted to give him that benefit of the doubt < 1328215241 215952 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you live in an area where boars exist and can be hunted legally? < 1328215334 125473 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still look at him very carefully and make careful note of his appearance < 1328215516 805633 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1328216256 447877 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328216262 210681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328216408 313049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :{M[m(_o)O!"elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY."(_o)o.?]} < 1328216486 809553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heaps of spam < 1328216487 282055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328216498 971093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1328216530 705342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's going this fast I prefer to take care of it in batches, it's faster < 1328216552 935639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[LifeScript]] is nonspam, right? < 1328216699 158814 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1328216719 485078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd say :P < 1328216750 129285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, unusually much non-spam today, too < 1328216752 263587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not as much as the spam < 1328216765 383860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a standard way of repeatedly deleting values from a list comprehension without adding a constraint for every value deleted? < 1328216784 547079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: err, I fear I'm missing context < 1328216799 18631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language, for a start < 1328216812 792054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, I understand the individual words, and phrases like "list comprehension" < 1328216818 20838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't fit them together into a sentence < 1328216821 557488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be most helpful if it's haskell, probably
< 1328216856 715993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm speaking purely abstractly < 1328216864 576898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x | x <- [1..], not (x `mod` 3 == 0)] < 1328216865 602284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11,13,14,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,37,38,40... < 1328216870 814624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this? < 1328216871 476632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if *any* language has a way of doing it < 1328216917 978393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but what if i wanted to just eliminate the values returned by my random number generator, but didn't want the comprehension description to grow linearly with number of values eliminated? < 1328216969 131531 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you first zip [1..] and use that? < 1328217009 910479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: isn't that effectively asking "how do I get a list of all integers /not/ in a given lazy list"? < 1328217013 618847 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328217016 808509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's mathematically possible < 1328217024 285981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure "comprehension description" is the term you really want to use, here < 1328217076 167691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, unless the list of things to remove is either finite or predictably ordered, you may _never_ be able to conclude that a value is in the final list < 1328217106 409818 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example: let's say i have a 100x100 binary matrix, and i set the bits on the main diagonal. a dense matrix requires 10000 bits to represent this. a (standard) sparse matrix requires 1400 bits. but it could be done with a single expression like "set if x=y". is there a well-known algorithm that heuristically encodes things this way? < 1328217126 954710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know compression in general is AI-hard, but i thought maybe there might be an incomplete standard solution < 1328217136 996829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] \\ [2, 4 .. 10] < 1328217137 50467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328217137 104616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1328217137 572421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1328217137 986432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,3... < 1328217165 157789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ is list difference? < 1328217168 782332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328217180 291671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it require a consistent sort order between the lists? < 1328217184 115774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't return anything unless the second argument is finite < 1328217187 115689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can assume the number of excluded values is "n" < 1328217192 69980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, requires finite second list < 1328217192 978096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite value < 1328217209 939750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the way you did it there < 1328217212 64555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think it only removes one instance if there are duplicates < 1328217267 351517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which on the positive side means it should have no overhead for the remainder of the list after all the subtracted elements have been found < 1328217316 573982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for your "another example", haskell does not remove from you the obligation to choose efficient data structures for representing things. < 1328217324 294644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i start with a lazy list like that, and i want to write a function delete_with_minimal_overhead(list,value)? < 1328217348 254452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> delete 5 [1..] < 1328217349 350815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,2... < 1328217349 743647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would an efficient data structure for that be? < 1328217393 766683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you've already said "if i start with a lazy list", which sort of ties your hands a bit < 1328217427 281030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, i start calling it with (list,2),(list,4),(list,6),(list,8). It would be nice if it figured out that a bunch of even numbers had been deleted, and compressed {2,4,6,8,10,12,..} to "even numbers in this range" < 1328217480 363521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean a particular representation of a list comprehension. i mean "whatever data structure that works like one but also does this" < 1328217545 947009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just hasn't been done. i have to go :( < 1328217562 483417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well haskell doesn't do it, anyhow. < 1328217582 440896 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-56.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328217587 269878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-206.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328217716 513165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok LifeScript isn't spam, but i'm not convinced it isn't trolling :D < 1328217778 286136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328217806 354383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok scratch some of that about unusually much non-spam, some of the edits that looked like they could be genuine were spams anyhow < 1328218768 330651 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymology is sometimes interesting < 1328218776 311293 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scotland means "land of the Irish" < 1328218992 274638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328219004 327769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so..."scots-irish" means "irish irish"? < 1328219719 519593 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1328219739 901976 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Romans called the Irish "Scotii" < 1328219753 490683 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was then used to mean Gaelic < 1328219788 169024 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as Gaels (?) from Ireland went to Scotland (or "Caledonia" or "Pictland"), some stuff happened, and we're in a mess now < 1328219875 184233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can only assume the picts got a raw deal. < 1328219896 391730 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-5-111.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodnight < 1328219924 68110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is a matter of which Ngevd does not wish to speak. < 1328220078 945026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picts or didn't happen, like they say. < 1328220405 112619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, can't decide whether to make that biased-randomness post since it'd mean having to admit to wasting 34.65 MiB's worth of bandwidth. < 1328220432 131388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also incidentally it's the "Wow! signal" one that appears "too" often. Coincidence? < 1328220443 613369 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328220477 386683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make a donation to the Jane Goodall Institute mentioning mezzacotta first. < 1328220512 125461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, it's where they ask people to donate instead of to them. < 1328220553 548232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION so reasonable suggestions
< 1328220990 568901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Scott Aaronson is a betting guy < 1328221005 338105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/perpetual-motion-of-the-21st-century/#comment-17911 < 1328221028 749562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :QC = quantum computing < 1328221193 116005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he did a similar bet against the P!=NP proof that was floating around a year and a half ago) < 1328221519 614414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, my window with top -d 30 in it has died < 1328221582 897788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the first disconnect since i started putting that up. thus fails my theory that the problem had either stopped permanently, or that the windows somehow kept each other alive. < 1328221638 448220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh wait < 1328221659 224626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :false alarm. it had just died last time i turned off my computer XD < 1328221760 706118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION usually hibernates when possible
< 1328223257 698893 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328223752 149813 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map unwords $ (`replicateM` ["player", "hater"]) =<< [1..] < 1328223753 19824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["player","hater","player player","player hater","hater player","hater hate... < 1328223785 993654 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328224360 58857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328224948 517073 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328225013 295933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you a player hater hater or a hater player hater or a hater player player? < 1328225023 405207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a hater hater hater < 1328225053 492447 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1328225054 538859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :know??? < 1328225079 473724 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328225091 403111 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328225156 25812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cool < 1328225273 319397 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B769.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328225478 786437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328226308 964441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328226505 481194 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311CD.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758] < 1328226693 216883 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-049-007.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328226698 415994 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328226840 115846 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-225.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328226855 835424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-56.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328226916 358121 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328227151 454645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328227747 103629 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328227913 745698 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328227995 918336 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328228135 959833 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-139.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328228136 545182 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-139.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328228136 597912 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1328230342 20700 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328233137 380589 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328233185 952676 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-049-007.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328233600 586823 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328233784 975684 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328233785 286411 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328233785 340580 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328236059 447014 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328236218 277515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328236294 122399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured out how to make a monad from any contravariant functor < 1328236703 519456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328237055 2024 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328237082 68472 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opened up the comp, pushed the HD in (and it was quite easy and went in rather far), so I'll see if that fixes it < 1328237855 83671 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328238643 996115 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1328239052 95808 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328241380 329349 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328242705 214808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328244164 985269 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-76-217.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1328248086 938924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-225.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Verisign breach of unknown degree. < 1328248132 900805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-225.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The security breach happened *2 years ago* but was only reported to the public *today*, courtesy of Verisign management being horribly fucked up. < 1328248148 30021 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-225.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a chance it extended to their SSL certs. < 1328250698 820216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, I have managed to make up the monad from any contravariant functor, a generalization of what is done in the "infinite-search" package. < 1328250803 396653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use (a -> Bool) -> a while I have used f a -> a where f is contravariant < 1328251407 992974 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328251408 398527 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-182-130.dsl.telstraclear.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328251408 452316 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1328255337 925273 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/ < 1328256854 5258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328258543 887978 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328262606 375394 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328262836 774251 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1328262928 789074 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328263751 402288 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328263776 481846 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328263776 696034 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328263776 748807 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328265579 493890 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328265791 92559 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328266479 329634 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1328269457 422265 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-020-013.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328269628 83949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328271657 49014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot spambot isn't even getting its links write < 1328271658 987951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1328271661 130452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http:\\" < 1328271827 938838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ://:dʇʇɥ -- that's what weblinks look like in Australia. < 1328272748 994117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328273070 556897 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah how did you make that inverted colon < 1328273641 921829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328273647 48120 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1328273754 881306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328273823 636031 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328274490 288370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1328274497 336742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328274521 829356 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328274529 786293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1328274590 701986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eats, shoots and leaves. < 1328274620 341672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pandas, you fool, not Hexhamites < 1328274639 742004 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328274640 115973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know about Hexhamites. < 1328274656 424158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esolang is the topic in now? < 1328274657 978773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I recently checked the weather in Hexham, since it was the first UK location that came to mind. < 1328274665 269437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1328274674 607815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loogs Glassy to me. < 1328274679 230107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1328274705 505192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The {M[m bit especially. < 1328274722 960011 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you were talking about the weather < 1328274875 343041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The M.m function does (_o)O! -- that is, construct an O object and bind _o to it -- followed by "blah"(_o)o.? -- so "blah", on the stack, get the O.o method from _o, then run it. < 1328274906 979371 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o outputs a string? < 1328274913 208625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1328274936 157739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon, if I could use it, Glass would be my favourite esolang < 1328274947 333871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you're fizzie! I was meaning to ask you something! < 1328274964 314487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does fungot's "fnord" come from? < 1328274964 658108 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, riastradh is dynamic wind. why doesn't it expand then? < 1328274980 421733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not mistaken, though, the program could have ben written by using a local variable 'o', as {M[moO!"blah"oo.?]} -- that'd be a bit more compact. < 1328275005 723088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Discordians' fnord. < 1328275011 519402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1328275040 292789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at religions < 1328275096 42215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a misuse in that the fnords should be there in-between the "content" part of the sentence, but the way fungot does it replaces the "unknown" word by it. < 1328275096 244014 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i only get one t! < 1328275118 971879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1328275119 64736 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1328275123 179492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would look pretty silly. And remind people of elliott. < 1328275123 380050 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now that could be nice, for a simple language can be used < 1328275140 19543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328275150 469922 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328275164 387531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I had the keyboard shortcut... < 1328275196 40696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the old "join #2,000 to celebrate the millennium" joke? < 1328275203 82917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not < 1328275238 987958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an IRC peculiarity; "JOIN #a,#b,#c" can be used to join multiple channels at once, while "JOIN 0" in fact parts all channels. < 1328275252 805187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in quite many clients "/join #2,000" will end up parting from all channels. < 1328275260 174315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In some, it joins #2 and #000 instead.) < 1328275296 962059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit like the equally old "use /disco to turn on the lights" joke. < 1328275326 363501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many clients auto-complete that to a /disconnect.) < 1328275337 787545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fungot seems rather condescending of elliott < 1328275338 333273 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now everything is screwed up a bit on where you are coding. it just exposes you to often irrelevant low-level details. < 1328275368 945329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot holds no respect for us meat-sacks in general. < 1328275369 243371 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more like java) perl ml modules that define two different types of source code < 1328275378 798244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1328275378 998904 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i don't know until where it should < 1328275392 358202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot fungot < 1328275392 563287 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you would have otherwise written in scheme < 1328275469 250425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addquote fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott. fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used < 1328275469 790110 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just dig out some snippets of code in the wrapper. maybe for these people: it lets me name things fnord, like yours < 1328275481 493976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's ^ < 1328275488 186375 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^addquote fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott. fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used < 1328275492 497526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's fungot < 1328275492 729817 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because i'm just confused < 1328275495 113143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaarhg! < 1328275504 367638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1328275508 137796 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott. fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used < 1328275508 352265 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when the value is x. if it loses fnord, then? :p < 1328275518 323199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/: Is a directory < 1328275535 990085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1328275539 751823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ addquote \ allquotes \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ searchlog \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ units \ url < 1328275548 922861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1328275553 372257 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29440 < 1328275572 903857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :807) fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott. fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used < 1328275609 143396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny reply for `? there. < 1328275618 335746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took too many tries to add that quote. I tried /, !, and ^ before getting it right < 1328275652 12407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1328275652 615366 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aha... mediawiki takes care of such odd cases. so i sad down and wrote 30 lines of c < 1328275656 213200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1328275665 357069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1328275668 240577 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�JbQ.3�IG.m-l6c.'\..=q)�^.�.����3�.�X..�7m�B�3��^�d.�9��Z.)��.a.�..G�lӟ�M����;�ew4?��쮊8,..^J9�;�Y��4.���s�X���\�b�j��1�@�'�h�����\�r�NX}�8��'/�j�_-���..����I�Ε.ߎ��d�;�.�6���'_m�E.��c��@�K������7�. \ X���.g�2&d�3.ųM�.rJl���]]�C.��.d��୛t{*b��tt����ٍ#j�.U���ZU"V��`N�_r�lI�.Z�Y#�.� \ ]v��6��}�3r�P&n�.�(7N�s�.8ev�i�^�jd�� |.�.��Io<{�.+��.n`.�&7�"�w.�˷��$"��.���p;P���.�%V�އv�A��..�w��x��*�PQ�6�dB���^��1}��u㯗����c.��� < 1328275703 709120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the expression "to sad down". (Unless it's just a typo for 'sat'.) < 1328275726 218575 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I believe it's more likely to be the latter < 1328275745 748250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadding down is an appropriate prelude for writing some C. < 1328275748 46719 :pkzip!~a@94.159.235.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328275759 586076 :pkzip!~a@94.159.235.75 QUIT :Client Quit < 1328275936 415892 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328276118 637121 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328276118 939135 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328276118 992569 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328276319 744247 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328279840 860700 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D532.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328281557 480425 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328281855 4623 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328282408 919488 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1328283312 613891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328283324 289878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-225.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328283919 310026 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. School's actually open today. < 1328283928 295554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm going in. < 1328283941 379864 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How’s the weather in there? < 1328284171 339303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blizzard. < 1328284699 105421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1328284738 202640 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-76-217.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1328285722 474566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-85.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328286684 909248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328286704 867816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328287004 713148 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328287098 692722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328287553 205931 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328289150 486877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328289270 388523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328290796 975567 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328290939 981950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328291115 925637 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Glass in the /topic. < 1328291274 262108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Am I right that it could be the more compact {M[moO!"...."oo.?]} too? < 1328291303 351743 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[moO!"Let's find out!"oo.?]} < 1328291305 358697 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find out! < 1328291308 637064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1328291334 515242 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables that start with lower-case letters are class variables, so it's namespace pollution is all. < 1328291347 203546 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1328291443 966574 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328291497 368942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tropicOfCancer = (cancer, zeroLat) Ecliptic Tropical Earth; -- I am trying to think of a kind of ephemeris software in Haskell........ < 1328291548 35813 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! < 1328291575 149528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tropicOfCancer = FixedSphericalCoordinates (cancer, zeroLat) Ecliptic Tropical Earth; < 1328291617 472793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328291631 728987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas? < 1328291719 940216 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328291828 349041 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is ephemersis < 1328291836 270977 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328291851 568466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ephemeris is a way to figure out position of planets, sun, moon, etc < 1328291867 613049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By using calculation instead of having to do observation < 1328292195 792064 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D532.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328292211 967368 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you _believe_ the the celectial bodies affect our lifes in some way? < 1328292254 617473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Mostly the sun and moon; the others wouldn't do much. But I don't believe they affect our lives in the way that astrologers say they do; they are just using superstitious stuff. < 1328292270 417286 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe.. is see < 1328292323 915555 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328292324 357084 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328292324 410116 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328292325 635064 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why that interest in astrology? is just a technical challange? < 1328292345 958629 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's just it. < 1328292362 247946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as well as the things in common to astrology with astronomy, and some things are useful in both even if not common in either, I suppose. < 1328292595 293611 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When doing some kinds of calculation (including calendars), conventions of both astrology and astronomy can be useful; in addition, astrology does have some artistic uses even though divination doesn't work. So, functions of ephemeris can be useful for astronomy as well; and I know about their conventions such as right ascensions, declination, hour angle, etc. < 1328292677 330543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once wrote a article about astrology for astronomers. They tell how the conventions are similar and differences, and aspects, and so on. In my opinion, it is useful to combine astrology, astronomy, and calendar date/time stuff, into one program, since all three functions can be used together. < 1328292790 890521 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. there is a common determinator between both of them < 1328292870 104438 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'though im not sure if between is the correct proposition < 1328292941 961104 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things known and unknown.. and in between is hagb4rds ignorance < 1328293099 961378 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328294205 540524 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst thing about astrology is that the existence of the pseudoscience prevents us from investigating the social science of actual connections between birthdates and personalities, which would naturally stem from the interaction between environment and mating behavior of any animals with a short estrous cycle (e.g. humans). < 1328294255 819234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: People can do it if they want to! But the exist does make people argue about it probably; still, some people can try to do so. < 1328294438 584424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* have ideas how to do so more specifically, anyways?? < 1328294514 546403 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno.. guess its like tarot. it helps us to reflect on ourselfs < 1328294569 568480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, tarot. European card games used for divination. < 1328294611 845084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadb4rd: Well, yes, you can reflect on ourselves using various divinatory methods (but not for divination). You probably mean cartomancy rather than tarot; tarot is simply a deck of cards. Psychological cartomancy uses a tarot deck with more art than ordinary decks; you could probably find an article about that. < 1328294636 310447 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, thats i mean < 1328294641 753684 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what < 1328294765 662480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know a few games involving tarot cards, including a few modern ones, and one which uses icehouse pyraminds in addition to the cards. < 1328294811 1561 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was studying crowley for a while < 1328294874 234303 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the problem bout science and axioms is it answers how but not why < 1328294888 359432 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+its < 1328294912 88102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science can answer why to a limited extent. Kind of. < 1328294935 84591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there are problems with science but it is the best we have. < 1328294985 735890 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote s.o. i do not know: problems are hidden opportunities ;) < 1328295007 155249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Yes, that too! Is good. < 1328295069 735754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example of artistic use for astrology is someone made up a time of birth for Harry Potter. (Of course it is still arbitrary like many arts but at least they have something to do.) < 1328295438 118244 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to reflect yourself is with a mirror. < 1328295507 186168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes I agree < 1328295881 794863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328297693 14774 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328298781 142282 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328298790 366684 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1328298790 422391 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328299141 65466 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328299141 406499 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328299141 462310 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328299320 86631 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328299328 326482 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328299832 949999 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328299853 275264 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328300007 487523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328300267 450485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY." < 1328300268 303338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-... < 1328300274 612873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1328300277 382114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev test < 1328300277 477860 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tset < 1328300283 701938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rev "elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY." < 1328300284 822445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `rev' < 1328300288 61039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev "elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY." < 1328300288 297729 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille" < 1328300312 142460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :0>:#,_@ < 1328300314 442221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328300321 373405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :0".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille">:#,_@ < 1328300343 65573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you find the mistake in this program? http://sprunge.us/gbUF < 1328301020 293936 :wanham!dc853ae1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.133.58.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328301044 977863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome wanham < 1328301049 683114 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanham: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1328301102 762833 :chicken!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 < 1328301276 569350 :Saizan!~saizan@li265-65.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328301312 78618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he made it more official http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=902 < 1328301813 133122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this just his second $100k thing? Funny how he's already "that guy who always offers $100k for unlikely things". < 1328301833 979637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the first one was $200k < 1328301853 240707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Well, "large amount of money" anyways. < 1328301902 678345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd suppose gil kalai suggested it in jest, anyway :P < 1328301933 784437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In not-so-related news, no distribution-related wisdom from the CoaP forum, but 12 views of which only 2 are mine, anyway.) < 1328302016 107836 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1328302054 8150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that 13, or something < 1328302327 290485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have the full sequence of results saved? to check if "every 10 seconds" matters, you might try to graph them in order retrieved or something... < 1328302396 173340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; I guess I'll try that too, when I get to a real computer. < 1328302463 715234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe check if the ratios change much in subintervals < 1328302519 175188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a goodie. < 1328302571 877322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the same one was quite consistently 1.3 times the mean during the run. But that's just a feeling. < 1328302642 606603 :wanham!dc853ae1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.133.58.225 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1328303210 263969 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the first? < 1328303216 411257 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first prize thing < 1328303268 516340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it that P=NP proof? < 1328303269 20963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to vinay deolalikar in case his P != NP proof turned out to be correct / repairable < 1328303294 370590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which quickly started looking rather unlikely < 1328303305 175508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303319 50101 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328303323 609805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hi! < 1328303360 732955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If only they'd prove P != NP, then we'd finally know that N != 1. < 1328303391 537782 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic is making me read backwards < 1328303395 25208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats fizzie -----###
< 1328303407 883865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doog yrev :benaT < 1328303423 392798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 0".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille">:#,_@ < 1328303424 954392 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 Unsupported instruction 'Y' (0x59) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'A' (0x41) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'W' (0x57) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 121 Unsupported instruction 'E' (0x45) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'L' (0x4c) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'B' (0x42) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'I' (0x49) (maybe not < 1328303441 674248 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-48.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303452 55800 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stringmode doesn't seem to work < 1328303452 757004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328303454 929078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's been Befungized. (Or is that over 80 characters? Funge-98ized in that case.) < 1328303461 873103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille">:#,_@ < 1328303462 636267 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY. < 1328303470 931890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it is. < 1328303479 750213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1328303502 91000 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303520 102032 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328303527 63174 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303541 820182 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MoALTz < 1328303545 873937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoALTz: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1328303565 953940 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-48.as43234.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1328303586 747710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in a rare moment of on-topicness, too! < 1328303604 44213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I return things to normal? < 1328303628 477077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "normal" you mean "talking about everything except esolangs", right? < 1328303631 328870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1328303638 812580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may. < 1328303646 559567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gran's in hospital < 1328303647 333062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So how're things in the *real* esoteric programming channel that you're spying for? Are they all jubilous for our recent... quietudiness? < 1328303660 381338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328303686 562171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a single-channel person
< 1328303696 172963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, new esolang < 1328303719 24389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: HEY YOU FREAK, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT HERE < 1328303756 531598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it beats hospital talk. < 1328303767 320387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CA, so can someone experienced with ALPACA help me? < 1328303767 521800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might still be about that. < 1328303776 752624 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303787 688512 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328303795 1632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't heard details. Maybe it's a hospitals-and-grandmothers-themed CA. < 1328303823 160764 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328303832 990226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't consider myself "experienced" with ALPACA, although i've read the spec once, i guess < 1328303844 506498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's falling down massive shafts based < 1328303886 98356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like it'd exclude hospitals, almost the opposite. < 1328303898 127346 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mention hospitals < 1328303900 859776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or grandmothers < 1328303911 839518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1328303970 695086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded of the danish "Riget" series (which he's never seen, but which an old student friend loved)
< 1328303982 587735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it had both hospitals and shafts. < 1328304000 154796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure about the shafts. < 1328304107 171134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confirms the shafts using google
< 1328304181 844914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_(TV_miniseries) < 1328304360 747278 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328304385 811611 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328304386 156087 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328304386 211385 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328304501 168843 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf JOIN :#esoteric < 1328304506 311187 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1328304518 123938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome bbear < 1328304521 951184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbear: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1328304612 541707 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to know :: do you know if it would ever be possible to program a computer with an infinite amount of memory ? < 1328304637 371534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is easy. getting one on the other hand... < 1328304661 61123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbear, in the real world, it is impossible to create a computer with infinite memory < 1328304690 229812 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, we had a discussion about this on ##c < 1328304723 70298 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a question slightly different would be if ever such a computer exist, would it be possible to program with it ? Would the « programming » word would have a sense ? < 1328304731 740206 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1328304741 148364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would definitely be possible to program with it < 1328304767 128434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/mezzoseq.png -- Does that look periodic to you? It looks periodic to me. < 1328304812 874519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1328304830 111743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the ten thousand visits on the X axis, with the small differences in Y axis giving the index of which thing came out. I've just wrapped it into ten lines to make it a bit more clearer.) < 1328304922 163899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should permute the indices a bit so that it'd look even more periodic. < 1328304962 272645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that. < 1328305049 442713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that, one _might_ suspect the script is keeping a counter... < 1328305103 470768 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbear, with something like brainfuck, you could do [+>], which would use up all the memory after an infinite amount of time < 1328305108 783660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, the irregularities would be others looking at the page simultaneously. < 1328305109 240608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1328305116 948482 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you imagine a language to program games ? < 1328305122 749305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *now* it is very periodic indeed. (Same URL.) < 1328305135 11014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328305171 638822 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbear, you could (if you really want to) program games in brainfuck, assuming you didn't care about graphics < 1328305175 672783 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yeah... I was guessing that an infinite memory could make the system unstable because parts of the system could be uncontrolable in a finite time. < 1328305180 867051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't immediately explain why one value would be biased over the others, though. < 1328305185 967040 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here we are talking about every language. < 1328305194 80085 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean i want to free my imagination. < 1328305203 841236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbear, any part of the system you have accessed, you can access again in finite time < 1328305216 836276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm it looks like it relatively frequently jumps back in the sequence. was your 10 sec retrieval very regular or did you take many breaks? < 1328305286 573680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't suppose you kept the datestamps? :D < 1328305325 176677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The file timestamps are probably still there; but I didn't take any breaks at all. < 1328305332 476591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1328305389 353229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it was timed with a "sleep 10", so it's not an accurate frequency; in particular the delay between successive fetches depends on how long the fetch itself takes. < 1328305464 487355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so if it's timestamp based, random network delay may explain the irregularities < 1328305552 23702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch the graph is not accurate enough to see how much it fetches the same twice in a row < 1328305644 691265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could you find the frequencies of the _consecutive_ pairs? < 1328305687 11878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that for each item, there's one particular which is most frequently given next, but the alternatives might also give information < 1328305711 741439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that's just 2-grams, isn't it.) < 1328305731 163608 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328305759 918939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose timestamps are also necessary to check < 1328305760 220951 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328305829 709036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, there's a DMM reply. < 1328305834 841548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it's time()%11. < 1328305839 809227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1328305922 487903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "Wow!" signal, the most common duplicate, is also the one that is the longest. Presumably it has a higher likelihood of taking longer than the ten seconds required to walk backwards in the time()%11 sequence. < 1328305941 754369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/duplicate/version/ < 1328306101 474512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose if you gave a table of frequencies, usual order in the common sequence, and page length, that should explain most of it... < 1328306138 154996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longer, the more likely to redo it. hm right. < 1328306271 181825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are frequencies and length in completely the same order? < 1328306344 382272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no. i'm pretty sure the Langerhans one was shorter than the Xabadunis. < 1328306442 114391 :bbear!~bbear@2a02:8420:51d5:b100:16da:e9ff:feed:d9bf QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1328306443 137526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sum . concat . tails . flip (uncurry enumFromThenTo) 1 . fmap pred . join (,)) 12 < 1328306444 757710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 364 < 1328306445 95306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they were, no; just the Wow! signal one was the longest. < 1328306462 980069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since removing the top two made it indistinguishable from uniform, i suppose only the two longest were long enough to overcome the natural variation. < 1328306465 872140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many things are there on the nth day of christmas < 1328306476 656828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all preceding ones < 1328306478 543551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was the second one at least second longest too? < 1328306486 902051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (sum . concat . tails . flip (uncurry enumFromThenTo) 1 . fmap pred . join (,)) < 1328306487 723591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a, Enum a) => a -> a < 1328306523 581414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Counts and byte-sizes: http://sprunge.us/QZPd < 1328306523 674973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) $ scanl1 (+) [1..12] < 1328306524 687220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,10,20,35,56,84,120,165,220,286,364] < 1328306534 915954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is likely shorter < 1328306542 682952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some correlation, but not quite the same order. < 1328306582 329073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the sequence seems to quite often step back more than one step, so if there's a bias where those skips happen, then the sequence order would also be a factor. < 1328306597 877974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (last . scanl1 (+) . scanl1 (+) . enumFromTo 1) 12 < 1328306599 455013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 364 < 1328306617 809796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has something to do with exceeding 4096 bytes... < 1328306658 300087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum $ scanl1 (+) [1..12] < 1328306659 185574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 364 < 1328306707 656668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: btw did i mention that using null and head/tail instead of pattern matching is usually considered bad haskell style? < 1328306726 874582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1328306737 522588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you use the null to determine whether the head/tail is safe. < 1328306748 917162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also have something to do with other boundaries; the standard MTU (max packet size) tends to be 1500, sometimes smaller, and there's the HTTP overhead + TCP overhead + IP overhead + whatever-is-the-network-layer overhead. < 1328306920 723643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it might be gzipped over the HTTP wire.) < 1328307072 600335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh hm to get redone there doesn't have to be a _large_ network delay, just enough to wrap from 0.9 seconds to 11.0 instead of 10.9 < 1328307093 710300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extra delay < 1328307426 813116 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1328307593 623665 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328307610 518475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh hm have you logged in as Ngevd since i sent those lambdabot messages? < 1328307649 478437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can we invent Haskell*#?@~ which is a new kind of group of extensions for Haskell which include many strange thing in addition to the normal things < 1328307662 99929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you sent them to Taneb < 1328307667 530330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did? < 1328307677 617850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I cleared them because I logread them < 1328307697 185236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1328307764 986804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, and here I was thinking you thought there was probably something embarrassing in them and therefore @clear'd instead of @messages'd. (I'm not entirely sure why I thought that, since I suppose you'd just have read them privately in that case.) < 1328307765 438581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like what the ghc people are doing all time *badum-tish* < 1328307771 102777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all the time < 1328307827 717242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They are but a lot of things I proposed are the things other people hate. So that is why to invent new one including things too strange for most people in #haskell even though some people in #esoteric might like it, not everyone does < 1328307853 679939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as the -XNoEnglishKinds extension which almost everyone in #haskell channel hates < 1328307898 617324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does -XNoEnglishKinds do? < 1328307929 174866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i suspect that if they had considered polymorphic kinds from the start, they would have used alphanumeric kind names from the start too < 1328307980 530572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Changes OpenKind back to ? and Constraint to & leaving the alphanumeric names open for custom datakinds and so on < 1328308011 999538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1328308073 614143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I don't really know enough to appreciate the significance of that < 1328308100 913143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (->) < 1328308101 863990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? -> ? -> * < 1328308160 582477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, I am afraid, means nothing to me < 1328308177 884337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as -XMoreNotation, -XImprovedNaturalNumberKinds, -XInstanceDisambiguation, -XDefaultInstances, -XInlineLLVM, -XTemplateHaskellKinds, and so on... most people hate these things < 1328308215 725121 :Saizan!~saizan@li265-65.members.linode.com PART :#esoteric < 1328308221 111961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the new macro system as well < 1328308264 212638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that the -> type constructor takes two arguments, the first being a boxed or unboxed type, the second being that or an unboxed tuple, and returns a boxed type. < 1328308295 482521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upshot is that you can have haskell function types that handle some unboxed values, although the functions themselves are always boxed. < 1328308306 475127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do boxed and unboxed mean in this context? < 1328308321 436184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kinda stupid at the moment < 1328308336 562426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxed is the usual kind of haskell value, implemented as a pointer to a lazy thunk < 1328308336 858803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, what does tuple mean in this context? < 1328308416 959839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unboxed is a value represented without pointers and laziness, like a sequence of bytes in any other language < 1328308437 523633 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that makes sense < 1328308448 366364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems the wrong way round to me? < 1328308449 390163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc uses that internally for efficiency < 1328308483 154341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an unboxed tuple is a tuple of several unboxed values, which can only be returned from functions, not passed into them. < 1328308527 713362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the values of an unboxed tuple may end up being put directly on the stack or in registers) < 1328308541 984675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src IO < 1328308542 494434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe you made a typo? < 1328308550 395716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as -XCompatibility703, -XNoParameterTypeClasses, -XCombinedInstances, -XNoUnicode, -XExtendedOperatorNames, and so on < 1328308552 344209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly @src has removed that stuff < 1328308600 879380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, because functions are boxed, they can flit about in the mind of the haskell program without being in a specific place in memory < 1328308618 967462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can simultaneously look at bits of memory and other things flitting about < 1328308646 286501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: unboxed things can be copied of course, like in C... < 1328308649 81460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Int < 1328308649 322012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Int = I# Int# < 1328308672 813312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example there: Int is implemented as a datatype wrapping an unboxed Int# < 1328308680 764398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you call the Haskell that I proposed or how to change GHC or anything like that; write a new one; I don't know how do you know? < 1328308706 921264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc's optimizer may frequently remove the entire data wrapping, and handle words in memory instead < 1328308715 208298 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't elliott working on a Haskell Compiler a while back? < 1328308749 16970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that is a good idea. < 1328308768 157244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well of course a data type is also implemented in memory, but with all that laziness support included < 1328308771 321323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1328308805 254673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't quite remember. < 1328308835 464378 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was trying to think of a name because Hexham Haskell Compiler looked stupid? < 1328308879 11418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, standard haskell has only one base kind * which is boxed types, while ghc adds a heap of others for supporting unboxed things. < 1328308899 104572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my proposal added two more + and & < 1328308920 186825 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would they be? < 1328308931 420748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other haskellers already added & except with the name Constraint < 1328308944 457524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ for natural number types and & is what is now called Constraint < 1328308990 351977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except mine is different where + is a subkind of * which now means that the built-in type (->) is the type of array with a fixed number of elements. < 1328309112 270260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is a new kind of n+k patterns (different from the old one) usable both in type level and value level, with types of kind + < 1328309173 679508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: n+k patterns? now you're just _asking_ for them to hate it :P < 1328309185 83506 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-76-217.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328309249 473434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do hate ordinary n+k patterns < 1328309256 163004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is a new kind < 1328309361 758790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is only usable with values of types of kind + (as well as types of kind + themself in type level patterns) < 1328309433 603065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about a graphical version of Haskell, possibly similar to Scratch, App Inventor, et al. < 1328309466 564703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty difficult < 1328309524 40865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See? These are a new n+k patterns which are different than the old n+k patterns. I also hate the old n+k patterns but this new kind can explain natural numbers in general < 1328309543 626276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1328309674 601321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinds would make it simpler < 1328309739 420132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1328309740 774435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328309749 98896 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328309843 571322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: type family X (n :: +) (t :: *); type instance X 0 x = x; type instance X (n + 1) x = X n x -> X n x; is a kind of the new n+k patterns for natural number kinds, at the type level. But they could be used at value level as well. < 1328309897 859860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it understand now? < 1328309922 500788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1328310096 397934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except for notation, won't this be essentially that new type-to-kind lifting extension applied to data Nat = Zero | Succ Nat < 1328310146 229983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not into the details of that, though) < 1328310258 273313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about that, but I don't think it is exactly the same thing, because my proposal puts + as a subkind of * so for example, (100 -> Bool) is a valid type which means an array of 100 bits < 1328310313 62266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And like I specified, these new n+k patterns would also be usable in value patterns as well as type patterns) < 1328311002 68572 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328311226 552349 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328311237 128166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-118.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328311276 999371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is to write new versions of the list operations: length, (!!), findIndex, and so on, using: class Peanoid x where { zeroP :: x; succP :: x -> x; }; class Copeanoid x where { predP :: x -> Maybe x; }; (These are a specific kind of pointed unary systems, and some variations on them.) < 1328311294 379545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This could be done even in existing Haskell compiler, simply using alternative Prelude < 1328311303 323670 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other libraries can be written easily. < 1328311441 760701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(h : t) !! i = maybe h (t !!) $ predP i; length [] = zeroP; length (h : t) = succP $ length t; < 1328311543 43020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether you would prefer new versions of the list operations defined like this or not < 1328312505 111083 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328312842 513423 :mrjbq7!~jbenedik@24-205-204-86.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328312878 935742 :mrjbq7!~jbenedik@24-205-204-86.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com PART :#esoteric < 1328312972 750829 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like the word "ciretose" < 1328313200 786252 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There doesn't seem very good document for "preprocessor-tools" package. < 1328313966 702604 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328314798 112619 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1328314808 155400 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328314851 126816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people in #haskell channels, they don't know my program!!! Can you help me why the file it output won't load in another program? < 1328315233 172358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me why my program is bad?????????????? < 1328315603 919277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asum < 1328315604 904962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `asum' < 1328315610 704417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle asum < 1328315611 141463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable asum :: (Foldable t, Alternative f) => t (f a) -> f a < 1328315630 569502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think choice = asum < 1328315678 354711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK. I put it there just to generalize the Parsec choice function, but thanks for idea < 1328315743 614673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know what is wrong with the MIDI output? < 1328315773 925289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know MIDI format, alas < 1328315799 56769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i can only give trivial advice here < 1328315812 400022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you do find other problems them please notify me anyways < 1328315845 479208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map sum . tail . inits $ [1,5,7,10] < 1328315847 179718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,6,13,23] < 1328315860 594278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) [1,5,7,10] < 1328315861 443693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,6,13,23] < 1328315879 488964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. Thanks < 1328316040 856700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t until < 1328316041 804457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1328316066 660143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's similar to your < Int and so on would still work. In addition to possibly other uses < 1328326167 968962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to genericLength and so on but with different classes < 1328326177 945299 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, rapdate if you didn't see it < 1328326227 213289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it can be written in different codes and you do not have to use if you do not like it; it is like, they sometimes have alternative Prelude and so on < 1328326276 30472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if findIndex and friends should return something lazier < 1328326304 286102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MaybeIndex = Found | NotFound | Later MaybeIndex < 1328326355 41542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would be lazier you are correct; they could have a lazyFindIndex function which returns that < 1328326539 483926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be possible make alternate prelude compatible with standard prelude, using the default instances extension I have proposed, too. < 1328326913 93377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a fixAst function which corrects the problem that preprocessor-tools package will not parse 0x45 and things like that; I also added feature to parse 0b110001 and 0'A' as well. < 1328326946 558293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where 0'A' is 65) < 1328326976 402640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will correctly check first whether or not the tokens are adjacent before combining them, so it won't reparse them if the tokens have space in between < 1328327186 834084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it also fails at Template Haskell name quotations < 1328327210 676758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more difficult to fix. < 1328329794 231212 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328330865 809242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin < 1328330895 359061 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Interrobang?! < 1328330933 404148 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coded all night. i feel so dirty. < 1328330967 794197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go shower < 1328331344 218478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what language? < 1328331531 188420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Clean, of course. < 1328332106 906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c# < 1328332113 844995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has nothing to do with feeling dirty < 1328332127 972204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does the lack of shower < 1328332150 842209 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm sure coding in PHP could make you feel dirty < 1328332171 298564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is horrible. c# is okay, just really annoying. < 1328332254 745637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, PHP isn't very good. < 1328332311 765293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to some syntax not acceptable (such as f(0)[1] doesn't work) and the way implicit casts work doesn't entirely make sense, and a few other things < 1328332361 844533 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is clearly better; if you can make library with many stuff of PHP then you can do < 1328333155 385585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, how in Haskell, to find all files matching the wildcards specification? < 1328334307 876958 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1328334516 427257 :Banach-Tarski!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328334557 391893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328334937 79273 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: found a soulution? < 1328335097 165697 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if there is an easier way then using filter on regex condition < 1328335156 436327 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1328335685 386396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that already sounds pretty easy. < 1328336596 880352 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is no < 1328336610 930313 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is none < 1328338040 649867 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328338135 931536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I was watching television so I haven't checked yet < 1328338219 182636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if a package exists for this purpose? < 1328339895 433399 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which purpose exactly < 1328339913 775809 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 there are several regex packages < 1328339933 657633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as if you have wildcards and want to search list all files matching those wildcard < 1328340039 806420 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get list of files with getDirectoryContents < 1328340048 778210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I found that. < 1328340075 233506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the filespec might include a path; but that can probably be moved too using other functions < 1328340080 341567 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use filteredList = filter(regexp files) < 1328340088 707293 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1328340092 487555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328340122 599839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about: in Windows, filenames are case insensitive, but in UNIX, is case sensitive! < 1328340148 342925 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn more about regular expressions < 1328340160 46336 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a-z]* < 1328340165 648121 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :small caps < 1328340171 934971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how regular expressions works < 1328340173 242282 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not (entirely) true. < 1328340187 355386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In Win32, filenames are case insensitive. < 1328340190 505656 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not see your problem < 1328340214 403543 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: With the NT API, or the POSIX subsystem, on Windows filenames are case sensitive. < 1328340221 521751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I just told you; it is that it must be matched differently in different operating systems < 1328340235 948582 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally one uses * or ? as wildcard < 1328340243 383429 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1328340259 890650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't it depend on the filesystem or something like that? I think I read somewhere that the NT internally uses different rules for different filesystems depending on the driver, or something else < 1328340273 629070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though Win32 is always case insensitive < 1328340282 627897 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not *really*... < 1328340303 374356 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAT with LFNs is actually case sensitive. < 1328340379 343343 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. if you want to ignore cs just make them all lowerCase before using regex < 1328340384 795676 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1328340385 234997 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, indeed, UTF-16) < 1328340402 515768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That is no good; because then it won't work on UNIX < 1328340411 763357 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is < 1328340422 885234 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want < 1328340448 512226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do different for Windows and UNIX < 1328340463 795908 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to use ignore caps do so..if not.. < 1328340478 96881 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: But that's platform specific. < 1328340495 65063 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1328340500 183638 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what`? < 1328340508 590548 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have to handle them seperately. < 1328340522 146020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer isn't psychic. < 1328340668 103385 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen.. if we have these files on a unix system, for example.. myfile01, myfile02, myFile01 and myFile02 .. and you can search for my[f,F]ile* or myfile* < 1328340701 701894 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that what you want to do? < 1328340701 974978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those match two different sets of files on a UNIX system, but precisely the same set on Windows. < 1328340727 224912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1328340753 439366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. Screw it, I blame zzo38. < 1328340754 321997 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1328340769 838596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For what? < 1328340777 724493 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. :) < 1328340815 82108 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, how in Haskell, to find all files matching the wildcards specification? <-- < 1328340858 510723 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the wildcard will be the argument for your function right? < 1328340882 136268 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so.. you can decide which wildcard to use dependig on the case < 1328340912 573256 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the system < 1328341024 379041 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric 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< 1328360011 343396 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-007-158.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328360253 868796 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328362903 450050 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328362903 915554 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.0 QUIT :Changing host < 1328362903 968636 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1328362929 466753 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART :#esoteric < 1328363421 108861 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328363465 150214 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328363465 350377 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328363465 403366 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328363603 973395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a new esolang! < 1328363613 71033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bf derivative, but that's better than spam < 1328365495 430727 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328365495 520800 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328366903 110594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, WRONG < 1328366922 639334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is at least obviously worth removing. < 1328366949 765599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328367019 158763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also a great way to get a rant out of a Phantom_Hoover. < 1328370255 536492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know who Dale Earnhardt is? < 1328370290 604799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1328370294 476397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no < 1328370448 910214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the namel < 1328370461 338386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have something to do with... driving? < 1328370472 216103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some sort of real-world activity. < 1328370541 218204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328370741 625230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Something Positive made a bad-taste joke about his death, or something. < 1328370762 451683 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328370823 274687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and maybe? < 1328370860 998176 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328370890 688878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328370902 275877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1328371217 297014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned from my mother today that we're distantly related to Dale Earnhardt. < 1328371224 857168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was slightly hilarious. < 1328371507 481492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, the most famous person that there's rumours I'm related to is me. < 1328371522 659977 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1328371536 76580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote feudal < 1328371548 716568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :476) That offers me some social standing, feudal system wise < 1328371573 234497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, past me, it really doesn't < 1328372062 819784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328373056 504992 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328373056 941479 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328373056 995736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328373101 250152 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328373103 724308 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328373160 640259 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328375043 178822 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328375255 170185 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328375285 26158 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4444 < 1328375290 20615 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting thought < 1328376321 41483 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328376386 311298 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328376386 855692 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328376386 908684 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328376576 898471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328377915 997153 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328378089 984824 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328378093 109013 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328378187 449417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328378569 116849 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328379831 983592 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328379962 524178 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328380347 877907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328381291 307449 :Banach-Tarski!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1328382407 493881 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328382419 511264 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328382439 356942 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328383738 932435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328383794 334929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-92.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328384258 314600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328384500 821599 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328384692 655247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille">:#,_@ < 1328384695 932444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack starts full of zeroes < 1328384703 158766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to put one there right at the start of the program < 1328384920 427365 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328385297 845272 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :DISPLAY 'elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY.' LINE 1 POSITION 1. STOP RUN. < 1328385307 856434 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gettin' tired of backwards ^^ < 1328385738 634354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328385776 138453 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :Spinoof < 1328385918 822740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328386144 440941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Personally I always put a zero in anyway. Code reuse and all that. You never know when your snippet is being run in a context where there's something interesting on the stack. (I guess for the topic one could make a concise-is-good argument, though.) < 1328386487 472219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328386491 561046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :808) BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328386607 344373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alas, the most famous person that there's rumours I'm related to is me. <-- i vaguely recall i'm supposedly related to some norwegian actor or something, but i'm not entirely sure who it was. < 1328386667 373012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it was Toralv Maurstad, although you won't have heard of him anyhow.
< 1328386690 907889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, it's time to start The Girl Who Played With Fire < 1328386697 434246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though that's Swedish < 1328386711 481923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty far off relationship i think. < 1328386764 260891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's supposedly some dutch aristocracy back in the centuries < 1328386791 788650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I share a surname with a DJ's stage name... < 1328386838 691863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also share half a surname with Jean Claude van Damme < 1328386846 969954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1328386867 268845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mere tussenvoegsel < 1328386890 159659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328386896 143817 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussenvoegsel < 1328386918 799750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1328386941 551485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not likely to come in handy < 1328386989 353321 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to predict world events by the movement of planets: Step 1. Use computer to compute positions of planets. Step 2. Use a telescope to view those positions in the sky. Step 3. If it doesn't match, then you can predict the end of the world. < 1328387016 255748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have a personal incentive to use fonts with disastrous keming for your future publications < 1328387055 711935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the ones with dangerous science in them. < 1328387056 314677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and get a doctorate < 1328387093 784895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if what's the point of being Mister van Doom < 1328387198 385088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or maybe you just need to buy a new clock. < 1328387257 659342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you see a dark disk of no stars where jupiter was supposed to be, you may start to worry. < 1328387275 310629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the surrounding stars look slightly off-position. < 1328387310 476922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, there is the possibility that the clock is incorrect. But if that is the case you can still try different times and look for other clocks and so on. And yes, dark disk and that stuff is another thing you can worry < 1328387354 19454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: it doesn't strictly need to be jupiter. jupiter's mass would be far too small for that anyhow.) < 1328387404 691353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, there may be other things too that would tell you there is something wrong. < 1328387438 324284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm totally waiting for that radioastronomy picture of a supermassive black hole which there are apparently at least two teams competing to be the first to produce. < 1328387439 389976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean black holes? Yes I think Jupiter's mass is too small for that < 1328387461 391289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I've wondered at least thrice: how does the JavaScript snippet !(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined") detect whether the world has ended? I don't think that's in the standard, though I guess it could be a common browser extension. (hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com uses that.) < 1328387463 378403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless jupiter had already got frighfully close < 1328387508 636034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't worldHasEnded be a boolean? < 1328387554 788720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not defined in the code. I think it's assuming it gets defined by the environment only when the world has ended, and it's testing for its existence. < 1328387562 442839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i believe it is guaranteed that expression won't return false if the world has ended. unless something else has set that variable, i guess. < 1328387597 219785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually even if so. < 1328387690 42087 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's being run in space < 1328387698 971392 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does space get to end too < 1328387724 213315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that depends on the exact kind of world ending. < 1328387777 42447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder if there is currently any JavaScript running in space. < 1328387805 385303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :false vacuum collapse should be particularly reliable < 1328387855 88370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"javascript satellite" is not returning any very promising hits. < 1328387874 858363 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the unpromising ones like? < 1328387895 282137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is at least one person blogging from the iss, i learned the other day < 1328387911 265195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some satellite tracking code that you can run in a browser. < 1328387926 20393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then Google's satellite imagery related things. < 1328387961 328787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And several "this site requires javascript" notes. < 1328388022 707763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you track satellites by entering the orbital parameters into the fucticious objects file of Swiss Ephemeris? < 1328388052 984099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. They're just going around there. < 1328388097 101211 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting thought -> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4444 interactive compilation with some memory of what you said < 1328388100 125903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can plot artificial satellites on a horoscope too. < 1328388100 566758 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1328388318 43952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what the heck is that esolang in the topic, i cannot find it on either esolang or codu < 1328388335 239039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1328388336 326262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL < 1328388339 526912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328388348 260237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth codes are generally compiled and executed as you type them in, while BASIC allows you to enter commands interactively as well as enter line numbers to enter instructions into the program which will be saved. < 1328388424 503224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new GHCi could also do that since they added feature to enter any top-level declaration at the prompt. < 1328388455 357766 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no it's not. It's missing all sorts of important stuff, like IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. < 1328388464 31769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well forth has : < 1328388504 943960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's just a code fragment, not a complete program. < 1328388508 576030 :Spinoof!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: -- < 1328388514 222557 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, make it a complete program! < 1328388515 911543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the command : enters compile mode defining a new word, although ] will also enter compile mode and there are various other things < 1328388545 959121 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although COBOL is indentation sensitive IIRC. < 1328388549 722860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Does a COBOL program require an IDENTIFICATION DIVISION or is that part optional and only the prorgram division is required? I don't know COBOL programming < 1328388563 374474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\/\/codu.org\/logs\/_esoteric\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328388571 342610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, IDENTIFICATION DIVISION is required I think < 1328388575 697634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1328388586 897945 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only ENVIRONMENT DIVISION and ... something else are optional, but I'm not sure. < 1328388594 318285 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1328388598 919625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\\\/\\\/codu.org\\\/logs\\\/_esoteric\\\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328388599 419231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I didn't know that < 1328388626 768363 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Environment and Data are optional, Identification and Procedure (I think it's called) are not. < 1328389222 783284 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some math professor accidentally reply-all'd to an email from 2004 about an apparently-failed initiative to merge some of the major math-related libraries (incl. CS), and for some reason the CS graduate students' mailing list was on the CC. Now a bunch of people are replying, not realizing that the conversation is eight years out of date. < 1328389375 519584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SDCC... "int foo; /* file-scope */ ... foo = bar();" => call _bar; ld b, h; ld c, l; ld iy, #_foo; ld 0(iy), c; ld iy, #_foo; ld 1(iy), b .. it's like some sort of "most pessimal assembly" competition. (It could be replaced by "ld (_foo), hl".) < 1328389420 82555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except that wouldn't clobber bc.) < 1328389427 169848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And iy.) < 1328389430 455765 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328389448 880082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a webpage for me < 1328389460 381167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Remember to kern the name right. < 1328389933 321831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kem eaλy, kem oAen < 1328390136 406048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just keep keming. < 1328390177 649780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a relative lack of ligatures in Unicode. They dare to say it's not the job of the character set. < 1328390233 987575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the latin alphabet, there's only "ij", "oe", "ff", "fi", "fl", "ffi", "ffl", "ft" and "st". < 1328390241 198455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a conversation once with someone who thought distinguishing upper and lower case letters was going too far < 1328390241 640090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use something like METAFONT's ligature/kern programs < 1328390254 826927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there should just be some modifier for it < 1328390280 183741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nearly everything in Unicode is going too gar < 1328390298 894901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly go too far < 1328390302 938381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think some character sets do have just a modifier for uppercase/lowercase letters, although they are not commonly used < 1328390363 538004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/too gar/too far/ < 1328390432 198335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd describe that statement as just loſty, high-flown, perhaps even rarefied. < 1328390444 571837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. I mean statement, of course. < 1328390521 399955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd describe those lines as having about half the ligatures invisible in putty < 1328390526 877608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I subscribed to 2600 I noticed they used ligatures in fixed-pitch text. They shouldn't do that. I don't know if they still do; I have not yet resubscribed. Someoneone should notify them not to use ligatures in fixed-pitch text < 1328390554 190758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aw. Well, the surviving ligatures are just "compatibility characters", anyhow. < 1328390573 553820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1328390601 164430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Modern typewriter style texts do not use ligatures, although the variable-pitch Computer Modern fonts do have ligatures and kerning. < 1328391704 629377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible for a custom Haskell preprocessor to figure out which C preprocessor symbols exist? < 1328392304 886868 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328392367 809106 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328392376 291282 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328392481 17239 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328392648 913474 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328392655 625746 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328392657 570592 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328393408 533800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii < 1328393411 142985 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393415 526209 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lam%C2%ADent <-- WTF < 1328393444 550924 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1328393460 666708 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393466 823713 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what control/non-printable character is in there? < 1328393618 111099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Replacing page with 'cocks') < 1328393692 677781 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cocks" is not an ANSI control character. < 1328393733 898894 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393784 374083 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1328393787 490218 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the username < 1328393788 61254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i just assumed it wad < 1328393789 990756 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1328393797 826138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0xC2,0xAD] < 1328393798 811039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [194,173] < 1328393807 196682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 194 173 < 1328393807 436298 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M < 1328393821 745500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328393828 596353 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :special characters? < 1328393829 206262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 194 < 1328393829 260051 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393835 363995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 173 < 1328393835 602624 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393847 126009 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 194 lools weird O_o < 1328393856 576212 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks < 1328393872 97242 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN (U+00AD) < 1328393881 678962 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1328393882 17672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xC2AD is the UTF-8 representation. < 1328393886 784141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a zero-width space. < 1328393896 126276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um surely the 194+173 is a single utf8 char < 1328393918 951500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone with Android tried the Android gopher client and found a mistake in it. I tried to send message to them but it failed < 1328393959 831899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, 194 _is_ the first prefix < 1328393974 48905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ate < 1328393977 459341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(food) < 1328393981 881023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 32 65 194 173 65 < 1328393982 119977 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393986 718500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What food? < 1328393991 733846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is fungot doing there < 1328393991 975423 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it important whether a _constant_ is signed or unsigned btw? < 1328393993 718674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :macaroni and stuff < 1328393997 791426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show chr < 1328393997 911052 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>[->+10<]>[-<+>]<2-48[>+<-],]>. < 1328394015 798914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it only handles a single char < 1328394029 751269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: um surely the 194+173 is a single utf8 char // yes, 0xC2AD is the UTF-8 representation of U+00AD. < 1328394090 401077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :­ looks like a zero-width space except at the end of a line < 1328394125 335381 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, clever. < 1328394129 729842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But stupid) < 1328394131 675659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching moomins
< 1328394141 712931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so finnish. < 1328394185 613170 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 PART :#esoteric < 1328394226 619534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snoring* "i hear snoring. i shall whistle." *whistle* "the snoring has stopped." < 1328394638 287653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine this articulated excruciatingly precisely) < 1328394730 68136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moomins animations are made in japan, aren't they. < 1328394736 993956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328394753 199819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three japanese episodes that were apparently too scary for finland < 1328394759 561134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1328394827 492369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i found the finnish ones scarier than jaws when i was 6 or something) < 1328394876 144141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not all of them are scary ofc < 1328394913 21543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also finnish moomin comics but those are mainly about the moomins drinking and having horrible hangovers < 1328394924 58470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328394936 776665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm serious < 1328394975 560133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how can one be thirsty after drinking all night!" -- moominpappa < 1328394983 784941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NANANANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU < 1328395003 883056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I remember the moomins < 1328395008 270810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely... < 1328395064 942785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more of an El Nombre fan < 1328395068 899542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you know that tove jansson originally just wanted to invent the scariest creature ever < 1328395075 107061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that became the moomin < 1328395083 6604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic failure, that. < 1328395086 568016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1328395288 746453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :episode numbeer on: moomin turns into a horrible red creature and no one recognizes him. < 1328395296 11706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number one < 1328395320 436743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dad?" "i am not your father." < 1328395331 141277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then wear a sign so that you can be recognized? < 1328395371 764084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible organ music starts playing, moonin starts crying and beating the mirror with his fists < 1328395417 423371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they need to hire better organ music musicians < 1328395430 6034 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not that kind of horrible . < 1328395432 23120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1328395448 989576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music is awesome. < 1328395471 564715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328395601 62339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight, and 18yo girls wanted me to explain cantor diagonalization to her. < 1328395603 520270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*girl < 1328395634 834973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she didn't believe there can be multiple infinities. < 1328395693 233511 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happen to me too, a few people have not believe there can be multiple infinities, so I showed them how < 1328395711 186948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like so i study these zero-dimensional space and she was like omg that's so cool. < 1328395736 44976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure but were they hot < 1328395883 291330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she was more interested in 2^N and N^N having the same cardinality. < 1328396020 46660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cantor gets all the chicks < 1328396031 616492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't come up with a nice concrete bijection, so i did this in a roundabout way, anyone have one in mind? < 1328396325 819859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have one from N^N to [0,1), i think. < 1328396337 660123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1328396356 732473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err no i have one between N^N and 2^N except all zeroes < 1328396365 832349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. actually it's the same as yours < 1328396367 419294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1328396383 733169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess things like 1^n0 will always give you something like that < 1328396401 685371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just .1^a_0 0 1^a_1 0 1^a_2 ... < 1328396406 101892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just .1^{a_0} 0 1^{a_1} 0 1^{a_2} ... < 1328396416 247564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396423 873619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot give something ending in infinite 1's < 1328396426 200272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1^n0 i meant the code < 1328396436 917369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have stuff. < 1328396445 369133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean n to 1^n0 < 1328396450 403409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess codes cannot give you this < 1328396457 547341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328396470 591276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't bother to make sense < 1328396471 130246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1^a i mean a 1 digits < 1328396474 875048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396483 433031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1328396495 661479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes cannot give you the bijection i was asking < 1328396499 995898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe they can < 1328396508 296046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have this weird feeling that compactness makes that hard < 1328396515 713600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you mean by "codes", here. < 1328396526 111477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps because that would be a continuous bijection from N^N to 2^N < 1328396527 62982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1328396543 244755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean n is replaced by 1^n0 in its place and you concatenate into sequence < 1328396573 774244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes mean that you have a language and you stick its words together to form longer words and you can always decode. < 1328396858 446671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2^N to [0,1), you just use binary except that you need to somehow distinguish ...011111111... form ...10000000... < 1328396884 976887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1328396912 757084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could do by handling that slightly differently, say by prepending 0 to the whole number in one case and 1 in the other < 1328396927 802621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after the point) < 1328396931 87408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396964 32199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should do it < 1328396967 238371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait < 1328396976 110056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1328396995 169440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might _still_ not distinguish .0111111... from .100000... when it's at the very start < 1328397023 680712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1328397050 797739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah dunno, in any case once i realized codes prolly won't work i gave up. < 1328397069 85349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a matter of fixing up a countable subset, anyhow. < 1328397088 99798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1328397091 710154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have a continuous bijection from N^N to 2^N? < 1328397103 464059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a code would in fact be a homeomorphism so that won't work < 1328397145 769261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a prefix code would. dunno about crazy scientist codes. < 1328397165 461084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't there be a homeomorphism, hm < 1328397171 857149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328397176 486601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :N^N isn't compact < 1328397184 491434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no N^N is the baire space < 1328397188 924884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very different from 2^N < 1328397213 964277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er it's product topology of discrete N's, no? < 1328397225 919527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328397255 5758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a baire space called the baire space < 1328397256 482781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well i dunno < 1328397256 635776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328397267 803386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328397622 346090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no the version of Haskell that I have does not include the dropWhileEnd function < 1328397637 772731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I can include it directly in my program instead < 1328397703 330730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked #math about the continuous bijection < 1328397734 598172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they asked me what the topology of N^N was. "the usual one" was apparently meaningless. < 1328397810 276117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't you allowed to hide things that a module does not export? That is one of my suggestion for a Haskell extension, which allows you to specify "hiding" on imports with things that are not exported by that module if you specify -XHidingNonexistent < 1328397854 151127 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328397935 995858 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a blue card with an urza's block symbol? screw this Im not bothering to read it. its 5 stars, its broken, theres a zillion combos and it makes kids cry, right? im getting one. :)" < 1328397945 161236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^some comment on Donate < 1328397986 484565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donate? I know that card. < 1328398005 850959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis a classic. < 1328398006 746206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonably infamous < 1328398007 688037 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so infamous about Urza? < 1328398021 380186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illusions of Grandeur is the /most/ infamous combo with it < 1328398022 138784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes probably you can make many combos with it; at least, just from what I know about the text on the card itself; I read nothing else about it. < 1328398023 898228 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Utterly broken. < 1328398025 548675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember which was banned < 1328398048 573710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: This is the set that gave us a land that gave you one mana for each artifact you control. < 1328398050 451817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, yes; I have not thought of that. < 1328398067 237526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or creature or enchantment... It was a set of 3) < 1328398086 968096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there were some artifacts costing 0 < 1328398111 570750 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Friday Night Magic thing at my school ... on Friday < 1328398133 17078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What formats did they play? < 1328398134 252599 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did a draft, I chose blue-green cards and someone helped me pare it down, he said to go monogreen so I did < 1328398139 857277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It got upgraded from "broken" to "BROKEN" by Mirrodin, I'm sure. < 1328398151 368816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Mirrodin was broken enough by itself < 1328398161 898011 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, best two of 3 against .. persons < 1328398173 303481 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tended to play slowly, and time was at a premium :/ < 1328398174 654861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Makes sense that it made the previous utterly broken set even worse. :) < 1328398186 355337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcbound Ravager is a card that, where it's legal, people either play, or dedicate half their deck to beating < 1328398189 68528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always prefer Limited format < 1328398198 366474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in Limited format, nothing is banned. < 1328398213 812596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Arcbound Ravager. < 1328398221 247798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for cards you bring in which aren't the ones you drafted) < 1328398238 612378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I actually managed to pull off Coalition Victory wins twice in a Limited tournament < 1328398239 295725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Isochron Scepter. < 1328398243 848938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck where they *thinking* < 1328398249 912565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first time was hilarious, five monocoloured creatures, five different basic lands < 1328398262 41167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were general wtfs from around the table < 1328398277 756706 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not quite following this conversation anymore
< 1328398291 474028 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, I saw Coalition Victory < 1328398293 300583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you started it! < 1328398305 107807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: magiccards.info will help < 1328398307 111093 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, but I'm not all that familiar with every single card < 1328398307 719130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's very much a Constructed card, people don't expect it in Limited < 1328398313 97334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can look them up < 1328398321 372732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gatherer is the main resource, I think < 1328398329 67538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gatherer.wizards.com IIRC < 1328398337 872372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "official" one < 1328398340 238908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one's we're talking about are ones that most people who've been playing for a while will be aware of. < 1328398365 914745 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1328398382 288377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably most the problem is that Constructed tournaments are played with those cards, rather than the cards themselves; combos are more difficult to make in Limited so they require both more skill and more luck in order to make any combo at all < 1328398387 733091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, when talking about the most broken cards of all time, most people will have heard of them < 1328398392 204595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Necropotence, anyone?) < 1328398412 156117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That SOB. < 1328398415 769801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the card Necropotence. < 1328398442 383625 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good about Necropotence? < 1328398452 663489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pay life, get cards < 1328398456 671739 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe against a milling deck, but... hmm < 1328398468 327291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *insanely* good card draw. < 1328398480 210295 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course is too bad if you use it too much; you will run out of cards or life or both < 1328398485 336996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of only eight cards that's restricted in Vintage < 1328398495 728460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and five of them form a cycle < 1328398507 290819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pay 19 life, draw 19 cards, if you have a combo deck you've probably won < 1328398507 962805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, Mox Ruby, Mox Emerald, etc? < 1328398511 751382 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power Eight? < 1328398511 804430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1328398514 474130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1328398521 238933 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And seven of them cost several hundred each. < 1328398530 101943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: which one doesn't? < 1328398532 249436 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's the eight cost? < 1328398547 28149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Necropotence. It was printed recently. < 1328398557 38085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328398557 340529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From The Vault: Exiled) < 1328398564 359269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wikipedia says Power Nine < 1328398569 309629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another one's been banned? < 1328398572 407710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is a good point; still, you might lose especially depending on turn number and opponent's cards < 1328398578 101013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what are the three not yet mentioned? < 1328398580 619501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember
< 1328398580 829870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's more than 8 cards restricted in Vintage... < 1328398597 735388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: are you confusing it with Legacy? or am I? < 1328398605 8852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are. < 1328398616 372675 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire Power 9 is banned in Legacy. < 1328398625 140888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328398640 878506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legacy doesn't have a restricted list. < 1328398644 276432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and restricted in Vintage, right? < 1328398649 486681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did get it right, I think < 1328398654 169455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Constructed anyways, and in Limited nothing is restricted/banned, with the exception of ante and physical dexterity cards. < 1328398654 222635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I want to play Limited+Ante. < 1328398654 310410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the cards you drafted are put for ante < 1328398697 408881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 43 Vintage restricted cards. < 1328398708 149289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, Alpha cards are also banned in all formats (including Vintage) unless you have card sleeves. < 1328398708 680488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS < 1328398717 509694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, due to being marked. < 1328398731 765033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped playing because I didn't like /Lorwyn/, but I played it quite a bit before then < 1328398758 708265 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes Mox Lotus (yes, I know it can't be played in most formats)
< 1328398773 565665 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any somewhat easy ways to get the 15 mana? < 1328398794 440354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you badly need 15 mana, you can probably get it, but you're going to need to devote your deck to it < 1328398821 588975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Play green. :) < 1328398832 993183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mox Lotus provides infinite mana, so... :) < 1328398865 457676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally; it taps for {infinity}) < 1328398873 42171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1328398880 56954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the un-set mana-producer, isn't it? < 1328398883 154925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike many of the rules of the game; so, make up a new game with similar but different rules, different cards, and no Constructed formats. < 1328398884 259607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1328398913 767109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A friend and I have been hashing out ideas for a Magic-alike for quite a while now. < 1328398948 400512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I had a really good /Time Spiral/ block combo deck that could beat many of the other good decks around then < 1328398953 614769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite possibly newer good decks too < 1328398959 244965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I have too; I will tell my ideas. We can make up stuff in this channel and so on. < 1328398964 60162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant for Standard, but nearly all the cards came from the same block < 1328398977 309912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Among other things: all spells have power/toughness. < 1328398984 784117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One doesn't counter spells, one deals damage to them. < 1328398990 673154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: sounds vaguely like the Normish card game < 1328398990 829961 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328398993 127280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, frankly, counterspell is utterly ridiculous. < 1328398993 180006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never really got started < 1328399010 333349 :audy-!~audy@heyaudy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399023 858668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That wasn't my idea, but you can do that. I had different ideas (where there still is counterspells). < 1328399063 846042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template for Lightning Bolt now reads: "Lighting Bolt. {R}. Sorcery. Flash. Lightning Bolt strikes target creature or player. 3/1" < 1328399093 682015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* No Constructed formats. * No state-based effect telling you that a aura which is also a creature is discarded. * No rule that Lands are not played as other card types (it is unnecessary; they can't be played as other types without a mana cost). < 1328399100 119972 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399118 522373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Another of my ideas was that instead of damage to "target creature or player" it targets "target permanent or player". < 1328399119 570214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if they get a mana cost from somewhere? < 1328399138 326148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then they can be played as other types. It is a different game! < 1328399139 300024 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328399139 652542 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399139 839908 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399140 917817 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399142 786442 :MDude!~fyrc@174.55.44.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399150 926152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't much like that as the typical burn spell. < 1328399162 512234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly "Strike target permanent." is neat. < 1328399186 600867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but then you could use lightning bolt to blow up auras < 1328399189 954937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty non-red thing to do < 1328399191 393845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But, also in my suggestions, even though it says "target permanent or player", most permanents are unaffected by damage. < 1328399200 987544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a reason I say "not as the typical burn spell" < 1328399214 257954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, my webpage is now complete up to MIBBLLII < 1328399224 102972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to add Luigi and Brook < 1328399232 739955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I can think of an effect that hits all of creatures, players, and auras anywhere in Magic < 1328399245 592875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, indeed, just both players and auras < 1328399247 910118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{B}{B}{B} Sorcery. Strike target permanent. 1/1 < 1328399266 627554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here play Sopio? < 1328399267 641041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strike? < 1328399271 668090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: would lands have 1 toughness? < 1328399277 162253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic lands, anyway? < 1328399281 850364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Your ideas sem good but is different game than mine < 1328399301 458873 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I invented that as a scheme for saying "This deals damage equal to its power" < 1328399322 745854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mmmm, I'd be inclined to give basic lands higher toughness, and more powerful lands lower toughness. < 1328399327 780945 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Mana burn included. * Use TeXnicard, and possibly other program make open source rule enforcement programs. * Drawing a card when you are unable is an immediate loss, not a state-based effect. * Zones are now named as follows: hand zone, draw zone, discard zone, stack zone, in-play zone, exile zone. < 1328399335 581484 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh, you're talking about your own game? < 1328399382 71964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It feels like the difficulty of getting rid of a mana source should be inversely proportional to how good it is. < 1328399386 612441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1328399390 498876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/ < 1328399395 461183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah. < 1328399447 118590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps give basic lands 2 or 3 toughness. And 0 power, of course. < 1328399544 37112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Subtypes no longer depend on types (and there is no Tribal type). * Planeswalker are different, now count as players and permanents like my Playercard idea (also change the name to not confuse with "Plainswalk"). * Attack/block/combat damage is assigned and you can do stuff in between, but nonexistent sources never deal damage (even non-combat damage). < 1328399589 191729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Plainswalk" is very rarely used just because it sounds too much like "planeswalker" < 1328399623 213551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly WotC should print Nicol Bolas, Plains. < 1328399639 67548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a card with "Nicol Bolas, Plainswalk" < 1328399691 668156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328399726 680371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Conceding subgames is not allowed; only the main game can be conceded (although you are still allowed to do so during a subgame). * Every object has an initial state or a lack of it. * No state-based effect causing tokens out of play ceasing to exist (it becomes unnecessary; read ahead). < 1328399730 541438 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Although it was originally a joke, the mechanic was recycled completely seriously in the Time Travel-heavy Time Spiral block, albeit not for creatures.)" < 1328399734 782131 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting < 1328399781 712836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328399813 817807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Objects moving between zones cease to exist (except for stack->play, play->phaseout, phaseout->play); a new object is created in the destination zone from the initial state of the old object. If it had none, nothing is created. * Copies of spells on the stack are also tokens. < 1328399857 382034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a phased-out zone anymore. < 1328399883 101092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And objects moving between zones do effectively cease to exist, and you create a new object with the same state. < 1328399914 418502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a few exceptions for particular, very odd things that only happen when you're playing with cards from Alpha) < 1328399954 707470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, but I am doing a entirely different game, with entirely different cards and so on. So, it does use some old rules. < 1328399960 699637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some new rules. But not all. < 1328399990 294183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you realise that the current phasing rules are the first ones that have been simple enough to fit as reminder text, right? :) < 1328400003 842482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes; but you must know rule about state-based effect causing tokens to cease to exist; in my rules, a new object is simply not created because the old object had no initial state. < 1328400104 349341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/Friendship Is Magic: The Gathering | elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\\\/\\\/codu.org\\\/logs\\\/_esoteric\\\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328400104 726620 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1328400214 280467 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can concede any time except in the middle of an atomic ante effect (I am not sure if the Magic: the Gathering rules mention atomic ante effects). The opponent may optionally continue in order to prove they have overmate. < 1328400305 342135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Even though cards cannot be bought/sold, each card has a cash value. These values are used to partially determine your score in a tournament. < 1328400309 416774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made my page slightly fancier < 1328400314 247449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that phrase has _way_ too many google hits. < 1328400428 406540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i thought the google estimate might be off, it gave up at 103 hits < 1328400476 461734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You can still concede to prevent additional anteing and/or doubling (as in backgammon). < 1328400516 529394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just before, it estimated more than 3 million. < 1328400548 777745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone look at my site and satisfy my need for acknowledgement! < 1328400553 608326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Page, really < 1328400554 376261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/ < 1328400598 258521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see nothing other than a heading, a single sentence with a link, and four names of esolangs. You need to add more, isn't it? < 1328400614 231700 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: O no, I go for walk now... < 1328400623 85842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very minimalistic. < 1328400637 612977 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click the headings < 1328400655 450114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should make them look clickable. < 1328400679 72828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work on that after I have slept < 1328400683 828668 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gotten to tomorrow here < 1328400685 634111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1328400687 183219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah for once IE greatly enhances my browsing experience < 1328400703 616348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by showing everything without clicking.) < 1328400731 787483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBgMeunuviE <-- behold and be amazed < 1328400778 897834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it seems to have ignored style completely. < 1328400839 182827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1328401096 63793 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know those useless snow-covered lands from Ice Age? Not so useless as of Coldsnap — 11 years later!" < 1328401097 343481 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1328401248 52441 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They weren't even that useless in Ice Age. < 1328401259 639107 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've just got much more use after they finished the block. < 1328401499 240690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone but me hates coldsnap, though < 1328401504 314830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, coldsnap is part of ice age block < 1328401509 503477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and homelands doesn't exist < 1328401657 408041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=980 < 1328401793 354600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that one was, umm, rather pointless < 1328401797 674733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mechanic's only been used once every again < 1328401803 71282 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328401805 709299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was in an un-set < 1328401814 454853 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328401819 131702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds lengthy < 1328402681 92168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328402691 890929 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328402714 194630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With planeswalkers, is it more typical to get their loyalties to 1 + its .. is ultimate the right word, so that it can be used again, or just get it to ultimate and let it die? < 1328402887 174887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know about wikipedia customs - would it be a good idea if i simply deleted the code examples from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look-and-say_sequence ? they seem to be starting to breed lately. < 1328402941 595463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could transwiki them to Rosetta Code if the licenses match, I guess < 1328402948 754238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328402953 840989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what would happen if you simply deleted them < 1328402993 343785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just have a vague impression that isn't place for it. < 1328403029 418782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i also looked in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_science/Manual_of_style_(computer_science)) < 1328403053 673151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the place < 1328403093 368549 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just delete it; if it's nobody's pet, then no one will add it back < 1328403096 964064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative would be simply to remove the javascript one that was added today. < 1328403102 371128 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. "consensus" < 1328403116 845074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was this guy cleaning up the python version before < 1328403209 646255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is a point in the manual about not having multiple versions < 1328403291 244867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328403384 946685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems i'll be doing nothing. < 1328403407 442884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You need to make it fully expanded when JavaScript disabled. < 1328403487 529571 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328403498 456533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may think that the “lucky charms” (Crystal Rod, Iron Star, Ivory Cup, Throne of Bone, and Wooden Sphere) are bad, but our testing shows that most beginners are drawn to them and only learn over time that they are not as good as they seem (usually because a more advanced player tells them). That is why we keep including them in the basic set." < 1328403504 697470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are the lucky charms bad? < 1328404150 322305 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If creatures without flying can't attack you (with Form of the Dragon), and Green tends not to have flying... < 1328404163 971079 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Form of the Dragon better against Green than against other colors? < 1328405260 151783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328405320 392902 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-210.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.familyresearchinst.org/ So, my little sister seems to think that these guys do good science. < 1328405325 35394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: quite possibly; Green generally has decent flying defence, but not flying offense < 1328405325 432787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328405331 444735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, reach is quite a common ability in green < 1328405354 625414 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-210.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am *so* not coming out until I move. < 1328405523 633886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328405539 104917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters at Internet
< 1328405542 460077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the closet? < 1328405579 170679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bi and atheist. So, yes. Twice over. < 1328405603 258451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't open the page so i figured i just didn't get what you meant < 1328405632 626458 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think that homosexuality is EVIL. And that they have science to prove it. < 1328405644 449492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only journal they were published in isn't peer-reviewed. < 1328405665 318845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i gathered that from "the 'right' to practise homosexuality" < 1328405683 808431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, their only 'scientist', a doctor of psychology, was removed from the APA for ethics violations. < 1328405729 161969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if your sisters read #esoteric logs < 1328405739 894278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sister reads, although that was accidentally grammatical < 1328405741 904211 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1328405766 644103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've never imagined you bi for some reason < 1328405805 553803 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1328405823 334224 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Screw you, god!" < 1328405903 647274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps that is because i've never associated you with anything remotely sexual < 1328405954 662241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike most people here who i keep thinking about sexually) < 1328405964 711517 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yeah, I don't usually talk about sexual things. < 1328405967 401383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right. < 1328405969 167211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328405987 739057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have taken part in such conversations, but you are then even more academic than usual. < 1328406009 525814 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of that is the result of a fundamentalist Christian upbringing. < 1328406029 559301 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ~/media/porn loves contradicting. < 1328406067 735794 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1328406115 362184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328406131 344812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well upbringing doesn't always tell you everything, my parents always encouraged me to go my own way and i'm still very careful what i say. < 1328406134 764230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck my Internet with something rusty. < 1328406136 751955 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you've surely noticed < 1328406149 370390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the color of my penis < 1328406157 335828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1328406268 91364 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328406291 780373 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-119.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328406346 342759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was something like 5 my father once told me he would love me no matter what i chose to do with my life. i asked him what if i became a serial killer. he said he'd still love me. (i added some emotion to make this more accessible to non-finns.) < 1328406361 443508 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*once < 1328406441 987466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-once < 1328406532 487050 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you read any of their articles? < 1328406677 684661 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328406704 791373 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1328406728 463366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a couple of crackpots. < 1328406731 329838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain their arguments in layman's terms < 1328406740 576267 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's their definition of evil < 1328406756 751563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it assume the christian god < 1328406759 173657 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their definition? Judeo-Christian God says "no". < 1328406818 596042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't you a gay-bashing christian when you were your sister's age < 1328406822 957938 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ramble on a bit, but basically say shit like "gayness comes from child sex abuse" and "gay sex is more pleasurable than straight sex, therefore if we accept gayness people will die" < 1328406826 944264 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no. < 1328406866 908263 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a Christian then, but gaybashing? Hah. < 1328406989 626099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little bit hard to be gaybashing when you know most of the gay people at your school. < 1328407004 949043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well gayness is kind of dangerous, what with us running out of people and all. < 1328407016 442268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone needs to procreate while we still can < 1328407062 625739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean can you believe the moon is still completely empty < 1328407084 830668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... Need to get a scientist to lie and say there's oil on the moon. < 1328407099 504371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be liberated this time next year! < 1328407130 572673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1328407134 943011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1328407135 249378 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1328407135 445906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ < 1328407168 678434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate oil < 1328407168 807290 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1328407169 342158 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1328407169 545342 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ /|  /<      |     /´\  |\ /|      |      >\ /|  /< < 1328407169 646735 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /´¯|_)                /'\ < 1328407169 699618 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_|                   (_| |_) < 1328407212 597528 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok < 1328407221 34960 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did a Booster Draft < 1328407233 22794 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except perhaps not as strict about talking) < 1328407265 755670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the problem is obviously no one will believe a single scientist unless he manages to get multiple publications in a peer-reviewed journal. < 1328407300 869971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we could get a bunch of astronomers to agree to the claim. < 1328407312 762054 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps an astrophysicist or two. < 1328407317 659398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps some astrologists < 1328407334 88830 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, won't even need to work for *that*. < 1328407345 52681 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it sounds like a neat idea, the astrologists will go with it. :P < 1328407435 998001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is the most fluid planet, of course there's oil there. < 1328407540 273202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there's water there. and not just one molecule, but like hundreds of them. < 1328407606 988047 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328407874 948190 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328407947 471978 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328408083 358011 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I think I really really hate the "collectible" part of CCG < 1328408097 630785 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paying money on a regular basis to be able to play a game < 1328408101 213628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. It's the weakest feature of Magic. < 1328408110 702466 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More money = more versitality. < 1328408113 973868 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of bleh < 1328408143 75711 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly the fact that there's a lot of deckspace that most people can't access. < 1328408151 383284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hmms at http://cockatrice.de/
< 1328408200 232671 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was linked to from reddit) < 1328408205 127303 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328408238 727460 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know there are other programs like it, but I forget their name offhand) < 1328408354 289595 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328408584 994038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/uqc/en/6.html < 1328408592 863332 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks hard to deal with < 1328410217 796676 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1328411152 869207 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328411166 822282 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 PART :#esoteric < 1328411235 2796 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328412255 829866 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328412429 95581 :FooBarBazQux!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328412763 412291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328412863 914354 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the rules in my new idea of game similar to Magic: the Gathering, is each card is worth a certain number of poker chips, and this value is printed on the card. It has no effect during a duel, but whatever cards you drafted could be traded for poker chips and poker chips for card other people sold to you, and so on. Poker chips earned for winning a duel depends on backgammon doubling, overmate, and so on. < 1328412998 195329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your idea of this idea? < 1328413076 876877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should write Mornington Crescent rulesets < 1328413132 280118 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I might; I do have a map of the London Underground. So, I will do so after I make a larger copy, and make up some cards. < 1328414068 765849 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328414171 494285 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 PART :#esoteric < 1328415479 416739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas for addition optimisation flag for Haskell compiler: -fuse-optimisation-files -fassume-no-error -fcrashable -fauto-strictify -fsafe-core -fall-modules-together -fmemory-threshold -fdisk-threshold -falgebraic -ftry-everything < 1328415734 151534 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-funroll-loops -O9999 < 1328415828 748566 :FooBarBazQux!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fdebug-itself < 1328416045 51790 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328416159 821745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to fuse optimisation files anyhow. < 1328416523 756341 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-6.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328416550 915996 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-140.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328416655 640631 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.48.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328416655 940140 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.48.74 QUIT :Changing host < 1328416655 995943 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328417357 72881 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328417415 169004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-6.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328418060 67913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328418561 242406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit r/physics why have you combined the subreddit links in the sidebar < 1328418786 446073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _hate_ when things change :( < 1328419212 891722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... if i change to visiting r/particlephysics first, that _does_ have four of my other favorites linked in its sidebar < 1328419220 218785 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-80.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328419221 993052 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328419224 991113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you _mean_ i could register?) < 1328419355 607344 :FooBarBazQux!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17 < 1328419634 57801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328419679 229530 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328420755 725878 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328420795 234479 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328420822 729126 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328421313 720629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328424774 684037 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-159-85.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328424840 24535 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328438453 803133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1328438593 818693 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328438648 107174 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darmok < 1328438732 905847 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328438935 64470 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328438945 353452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML really could do with a "yesscript" element < 1328439045 667986 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328439051 316941 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-5.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328439051 658189 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html is a very failed technology < 1328439065 896558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty widespread < 1328439136 579016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, someone uses HTML? How bizarre. I thought everyone was all SMIL or whatever. < 1328439190 770925 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so is HPV-C < 1328439259 803640 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm just waiting for the whole SPDY/Rust stack to close in on html and do away with it < 1328440169 330127 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE895B9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328440242 549642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody look at my updated website at http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/ so I can fulfil my need for appreciation < 1328440277 651025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so it can be tested for browsers with Javascript disabled < 1328440994 477342 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is amazing < 1328441104 379137 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328441110 442606 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328441216 908746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1328441255 872584 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it is amazing < 1328441296 872727 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your brainfucky thing translate to haskell < 1328441409 596662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, haskell doesn't like lambda-y recursion < 1328441421 353157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's close < 1328441432 363499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328441631 849717 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad < 1328441651 252706 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had my hopes up < 1328442012 686085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join id < 1328442013 811696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: m = (->) (m a) < 1328442014 114425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `id' is applied to too few arguments < 1328442014 167454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `join', namely `id' < 1328442018 448500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why < 1328442061 508865 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328442150 674692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pattern matching of numbers in Haskell, instead of Num class should be another one: class IntegerLiteral x where { fromInteger :: Integer -> x; eqInteger :: Integer -> x -> Bool; } And the similar thing for fractional number literal too < 1328442195 549334 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's ok, i still wish there were a bf-like high-level language that compiles to low-level languages like haskell (: < 1328442218 327036 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that was completely out of context and made no sense < 1328442251 655056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I know, but I have just connected < 1328442288 82572 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :) < 1328442323 269001 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw, have you looked at type promotion? it's a fairly recent type system extension for haskell < 1328442355 632990 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have looked. < 1328442375 728105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-64.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328442378 339091 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-5.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328442400 650654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an option that allows me to construct infinite types? < 1328442443 342376 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there is < 1328442455 440483 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might try asking in #haskell < 1328442526 288514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many extensions I wanted but that the Haskell people hate < 1328442885 957600 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328443103 750837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apaprently there isn't such an option < 1328443108 318569 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1328443262 413342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-64.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328443265 227662 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-230.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328443517 912818 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how did you make it apparent ? < 1328443646 536472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asked in Haskell < 1328443699 279988 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*#haskell < 1328443706 3883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also searched the flag reference < 1328443781 411178 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328443930 522193 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok cool < 1328444082 441165 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE895B9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328446519 643928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-218.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328448618 480064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, fuck off. < 1328449003 645326 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no can do sir < 1328449583 769887 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328449591 256691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-230.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328450591 408072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a definite order for numeric whois replies on IRC.... < 1328451518 795498 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you? < 1328452666 630156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328452756 479650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1328452773 53704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic's ///, right? < 1328452852 580525 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328452870 408263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328452876 952927 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328453079 416094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328453540 761020 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328453843 566533 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328453872 631576 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328453872 971836 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328453873 24841 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328453882 953421 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1328454003 697169 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1328454041 968194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328454668 194373 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328454748 195191 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328454896 45439 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328454909 264463 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328454975 963643 :MSleep!~fyrc@174.55.44.190 NICK :MDude < 1328455117 574242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform them of the time the error occurred, --" < 1328455129 4128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get right on that. < 1328455198 319492 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328455569 88499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-75.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328455577 610833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328455783 906884 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328457062 843383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-75.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328457068 829766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-239-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328457762 955496 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328457922 955532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :" fizzie: it makes demons fly out of my window, washing the windows api" < 1328457941 777932 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328457942 731097 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328457942 820550 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328458839 434441 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328459868 564595 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" < 1328459869 361473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "test" < 1328460106 979131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328462166 976645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328462173 993589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-239-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328462276 657582 :cheater!~cheater@p50895FB9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328463082 790596 :MDude!~fyrc@174.55.44.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328463096 625418 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328464504 682921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328464910 459697 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-120.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328465069 409190 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-133.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328465474 649253 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: ... < 1328465601 933410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I'm bored < 1328465617 712793 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching /Harry Hill/ < 1328465620 758013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better that than being a bored God. At least for others. < 1328466037 194750 :The_Khameleon!~The_Khame@95.235.155.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328466096 651918 :The_Khameleon!~The_Khame@95.235.155.59 PART :#esoteric < 1328466391 390934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did nobody tell me Antiques Roadshow was on!? < 1328466437 917444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you watch such drivel when the Finnish presidential election is on!? < 1328466451 306077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a really boring one, there's two candidates and an obvious winner. < 1328466454 32838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't get it here < 1328466458 248585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the second round.) < 1328466462 386402 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a valley < 1328466604 780146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I didn't know that channel existed < 1328466620 483994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Sauli Niinisto the right election? < 1328466705 793675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish election is the only thing in English Language Euronews < 1328466975 988690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1328466988 967374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sauli is a slimy guy. < 1328467266 508780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-68.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328467280 654151 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328467317 792723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently also the only possible winner, too. (530k uncounted votes, 660k lead.) < 1328467351 521652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the other guy cheats < 1328467376 404193 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one country in Africa where the president got 23000% or something of the votes < 1328467421 180446 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of votes < 1328467557 438462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my city, currently Sauli has 66.6% of the votes. Certainly this is a sign. < 1328467628 397854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my not-city, Guy Opperman got 43.2% of the votes. < 1328467738 594271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he the Guy? < 1328467766 26650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a wannabe. < 1328468321 890309 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328468756 264538 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Iambdabot < 1328468768 970357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iambdabot: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1328468856 981784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy hi < 1328468857 495722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1328468905 625394 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy hi < 1328468905 880962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328468917 487509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb hi < 1328468918 11305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328468936 779294 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask lambdabot please go away < 1328468937 102243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1328468966 539241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo fungot < 1328468966 592140 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot < 1328468977 574486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I am Taneb, who is also Ngevd < 1328468977 676291 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Taneb, who is also Ngevd I am Taneb, who is also Ngevd < 1328468989 703125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo fungot keeps repeating itself. < 1328468989 757160 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot keeps repeating itself. fungot keeps repeating itself. < 1328468995 255698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1328468995 557979 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: for me, was there ever a method written that could be fnord < 1328468998 828196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1328468998 882070 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1328469012 333488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1328469012 451870 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1328469023 648667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does this include his mathematical papers? < 1328469024 90328 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " no, no!" said the earl. " what, you know. there's glory for you!" < 1328469024 401363 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg Iambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1328469030 86755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328469030 422094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1328469039 437902 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK < 1328469090 122379 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot said 5m ago: I'm not fit to be in #esoteric please kick me < 1328469119 680348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Iambdabot hi < 1328469120 233471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328469123 344283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg Iambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1328469147 234804 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328469147 703632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1328469152 672295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaah < 1328469159 722004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 0 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to not read them. < 1328469164 99106 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iambdabot said 0s ago: wait what < 1328469164 404705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iambdabot: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1328469185 497996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iambdabot: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1328469197 345659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "what is going on?" < 1328469197 795741 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1328469198 326324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "what is going on?" < 1328469207 879442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1328469208 512438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 5m 2s ago: hi < 1328469210 673590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1328469213 624279 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328469224 594994 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1328469225 527481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `' < 1328469230 678534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon it's glogbot who's behind the bot rebellion < 1328469233 63370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1 < 1328469239 705954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is innocent! < 1328469242 687904 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > < 1328469243 639382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `>' < 1328469251 158740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know it's not Pietbot. < 1328469261 663775 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I blame Jafet < 1328469262 670811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `I'Not in scope: `blame'Not in scope: data c... < 1328469280 548896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i blame u < 1328469411 865532 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328469425 830025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot still doesn't do anything < 1328469444 95257 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328469491 746438 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328469511 81276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0 || 2); < 1328469516 174315 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1328469516 505586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso < 1328469516 817217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1328469530 839351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^char 41 < 1328469545 737915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chr < 1328469546 564686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> Char < 1328469550 60355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 41 < 1328469550 810004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ')' < 1328469557 204608 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 32 < 1328469558 49284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' ' < 1328469577 377342 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is )df iiisso a pietbot deadfish thing < 1328469584 844557 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1328469592 564954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it will be when it works < 1328469729 745650 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328469827 346651 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, does the C spec define the logical operators to always evaluate to 0 or 1, or is that a property of GCC? < 1328469873 178238 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328469946 776534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328469946 872873 :Iambdabot!~Iambdabot@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328469998 637528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 41 < 1328469998 758856 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1328470009 608872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: which C spec? < 1328470062 529077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Each of the operators yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false." < 1328470072 859552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C99, but I really do think C90 had that property too.) < 1328470154 277336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of the operators < (less than), > (greater than), <= (less than or equal to), and >= (greater than or equal to) shall yield 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false." (That one C89 draft that's floating around.) < 1328470154 477514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! is a very old idiom, I think. < 1328470195 407249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't bother checking !. But it, too. < 1328470245 523690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The || operator shall yield 1 if either of its operands compare unequal to 0; otherwise, it yields 0" might've been the more relevant quote. < 1328470272 764455 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, should've thought about !!. < 1328470282 901654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad this channel is a better ##c than ##c X-D < 1328470285 660295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, so instead of '!!x' you can do 'x || false'? < 1328470325 441092 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "false" is only meaningful with the utterly sinful stdbool.h < 1328470332 644776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But x || 0, I suppose. < 1328470380 13652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or x && 1, obviously. < 1328470525 674119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or x ^^ 0 OH WAIT no logical xor." < 1328470609 724450 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical xor is !=, except that != doesn't have the same properties of C's non-booleans as the other logical operators do, so nya ^^ < 1328470760 717560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now only if there was a biconditional. :> < 1328470764 153694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I COULD DO REAL LOGIC PROGRAMMING < 1328470809 487886 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get back to prologin' yer prolog you prolog prolog prologue. < 1328470821 961706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler: biconditional is == ) < 1328470860 491212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the same caveats, naturalismo. < 1328470864 616420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328470874 446516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1328470875 412544 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get back to prologin' yer prolog you prolog prolog prologue. < 1328470891 500114 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has actually been learning a little Prolog
< 1328470895 285160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't written anything though. < 1328470942 930778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been too busy writing an obscene Haskell-to-C library for the plugin system of a bot written in C. < 1328470967 555875 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to familiarize myself with such things. < 1328470996 622988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define lop(v00,v01,v10,v11,a,b) (a?(b?v11:v10):(b?v01:v00)) and then you never need to touch a logical operator any more, since instead of a && b you can just write the more clearer lop(0,0,0,1,a,b). Except it doesn't short-circuit right. < 1328471023 4695 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT < 1328471027 123096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also put some parens in that macro, man. < 1328471038 191965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does lop stand for. < 1328471042 491796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical op, of course < 1328471044 646793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1328471052 870450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "lop your hand off". < 1328471061 523578 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like... a thing < 1328471064 492154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name < 1328471066 355482 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsewhere < 1328471069 658015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in maths < 1328471083 10142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that wasn't the first use, but probably not like that. < 1328471114 480885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it THE TRUTH TABLE OPERATOR < 1328471138 985045 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you want a ternary operation? < 1328471147 355024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BiTruFu, for binary truth function. < 1328471160 865609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just define a lop3. < 1328471168 75376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or TeTruFu, if you like. < 1328471239 578371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a int ntrufu(int arity, ...); with . < 1328471280 310819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name fits within the 6 significant-for-external-identifiers characters and all. < 1328471367 506927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntrufu(2,0,0,0,1,a,b) is objectively speaking 5.25 times better than a&&b. < 1328471387 485010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I just counted the number of characters. Are you saying that's not objective?) < 1328471506 256471 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328471518 331036 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328471567 959230 :e^[i_pi]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328471608 306233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cunningly, my school has decided to teach us the Statistics 2 module before Statistics 1 < 1328471654 301011 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cunning < 1328471730 261777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1328472002 850474 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328472010 860192 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328472101 817828 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328473532 168281 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the local polytechnic the mechanics classes constantly used things we had just supposedly learned in the algebra classes. Which was just fine, except that for some reason the algebra classes were exactly one week late from that schedule. < 1328473582 608520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328474640 803084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log elliott_> < 1328474673 477742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1328474673 882873 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-14.txt:20:23:13: `quote < 1328474677 585589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1328474796 864436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log elliott_> < 1328474818 994700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-29.txt:23:56:38: hmm < 1328474870 994348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Trying to imagine a world with elliott in it again? < 1328474895 918306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1328474939 835310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we have an elliott mode for fungot? < 1328474940 142985 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the default garbage collector is a refrigerator, thermodynamically speaking. :p < 1328474966 249655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's gotta be verbatim. Too insightful. < 1328474997 807359 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?style < 1328474998 711295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :: not an expression: `' < 1328475001 111016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1328475003 452015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot the prefix >_> < 1328475004 301093 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1328475004 398643 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1328475011 56483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes... I don't know, though... You can still occasionally get proper sentences from random generation too < 1328475033 497719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still seems out of context though < 1328475047 977909 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't just syntactically correct, it actually makes sense. Of course it's not in context, but taken as an independent statement it's internally sensible. < 1328475069 925962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes I know, I noticed that too < 1328475230 994926 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328475268 233728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Logical xor is !=, except that != doesn't have the same properties of C's non-booleans as the other logical operators do, so nya ^^ < 1328475277 736284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what properties does it lack? < 1328475296 287285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had a cunning idea < 1328475297 834212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as using different nonzero values as boolean I suppose < 1328475333 204737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dashing esolang < 1328475345 529402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right it doesn't treat different nonzeros as equivalent < 1328475485 355925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course Haskell does have actual boolean type and /= means logical XOR there; I have used it for that purpose, in fact. In C and in BASIC, I have occasionally needed logical XOR (more so than in Haskell), and can use ^ usually in C if I know it is 0 or 1, I can use the ^= operator in C for that purpose. < 1328475612 716430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the local polytechnic the mechanics classes constantly used things we had just supposedly learned in the algebra classes. Which was just fine, except that for some reason the algebra classes were exactly one week late from that schedule. < 1328475622 887484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone _clearly_ hadn't read up on murphy's law. < 1328475694 213944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Bn4m6dQbI O_O < 1328476301 371392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBasic has the logical IMP operator, that's pretty rare. < 1328476337 595659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has the boolean operators NOT, AND, OR, XOR, EQV and IMP.) < 1328476349 435289 :e^[i_pi]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMP is rare? < 1328476376 822833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an operator. As far as I know. < 1328476408 881945 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, interesting. < 1328476435 133762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "If the expressions evaluate to 0 or -1, a Boolean operation returns 0 or -1 as the result. Because Boolean operators do bit-wise calculations, using values other than 0 for false and -1 for true may produce unexpected results." < 1328476474 104940 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: Yeah, i *love* that one. Too bad it’s out of sync. < 1328476485 734125 :e^[i_pi]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any programming languages with converse nonimplication? < 1328476515 766032 :e^[i_pi]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Bn4m6dQbI O_O <-- wow... I never heard anything like that on accordion before... < 1328479082 848111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that is my favourite movement from Vivaldi's Summer < 1328479603 168702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1328479785 17339 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328479785 323837 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328479785 376714 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328479867 698604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328479943 184752 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328480051 260198 :cheater!~cheater@p50895FB9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328480108 568317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now writing a Haskell preprocessor; I wrote much of it already. But not yet completely. < 1328480125 57097 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328480125 591045 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328480125 644126 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328480353 979809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328480619 162132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So please tell me if you have any ideas/suggestions. < 1328480787 26775 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328480787 577203 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328480787 630084 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328480963 106857 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328481559 216199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have: * 0b110100 for binary integer literals. * 0'x' for ASCII/Unicode number of character literals. * {"..."} for WEB-style chunks. * #I to include file in path. * #J for wildcard includes (not currently working). * #D to define macros. * Various built-in macros. < 1328482393 64731 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ask that on #haskell. < 1328482497 407792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is rather predictable that #haskell won't like it < 1328482753 899885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone hasn't seen it yet http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/every-odd-integer-larger-than-1-is-the-sum-of-at-most-five-primes/ < 1328483121 632877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people on #haskell hate a lot of my things < 1328483261 213680 :cheater!~cheater@p50895FB9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328483350 16382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does that suggest 5 dimensional objects? < 1328483415 110229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i am reading too much into it < 1328483450 15575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well the (weak goldbach) conjecture is that 3 is enough, actually < 1328483463 820882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :primes that is, dunno about dimensions :) < 1328483505 173750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1328483562 895035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm... its ... i was reading the sentence wrong to begin with.. i think i'll just let it go < 1328483586 880221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even going to delve into the proof enough to find out whether higher dimensional objects were used, but i doubt it. < 1328483668 87546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well half the comments on reddit were about the title being unambiguous, so nothing to worry about :P < 1328483909 586020 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328483984 331240 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't wait for -XGeneralizedAlgebraicDataPolyKindInstanceFamilies
< 1328484083 725632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/PolyKind/PolyConstraintKind/ < 1328484202 613929 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon to be incorporated into the -XOneMillionSpecialSubsetsOfDependentTyping extension. < 1328484228 439977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice rant http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/p5x53/every_odd_number_greater_than_1_is_the_sum_of_at/c3n1n14 < 1328484305 139486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: nah, oleg will prove you can actually embed full dependent typing into them < 1328484323 770843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a way sane humans can _use_, though < 1328484487 249636 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1328485453 820759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people hate my Haskell preprocessor, already? < 1328485511 214849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most 53, on this channel < 1328485538 468384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate it. i probably wouldn't use it, though. < 1328485554 162634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use haskell do i don't anything your haskell preprocessor < 1328485572 390393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oklopol no use grammar < 1328485590 773033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*son't < 1328485610 6224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swat oklopol -----###
< 1328485610 69085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, probably you won't use it; but would you use any Haskell preprocessor at all? < 1328485663 692195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly. < 1328485669 250189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only use postprocessors that transform the program after its effects have been processed my brain. < 1328485683 764379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance beer and whiskey < 1328485769 801310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do suppose, I could later on, write a Haskell postprocessor as well, using the compiler plugins feature, maybe < 1328485799 611953 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328485800 149981 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328485800 202731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328486046 678831 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328486057 614072 :kallisti_!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328486060 980057 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :......god damnit irssi < 1328486119 175547 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj JOIN :#esoteric < 1328486210 190051 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I've been trying as hard as possible to make this language less esoteric but no one's buying it yet http://pastebin.com/hD890kVg < 1328486291 307375 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stack based and factorable like a concatenative language < 1328486351 270689 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :indentation based like python to save on too many extra chars < 1328486359 826286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, you'll have to direct inquiries of that nature to our sister channel #un-esoteric < 1328486371 309184 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :not esoteric enough? < 1328486405 76637 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I told you if and else were implemented in the language < 1328486412 606751 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you said you need help making it less esoteric. < 1328486413 733376 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in they aren't reserved words < 1328486425 774283 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nah I just came here for lulz < 1328486452 856021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say: okay < 1328486453 55884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would certainly hope the language has no reserved words that readable, sheesh < 1328486467 52279 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any reserved words at all in fact < 1328486516 767683 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :@if?[bool ~:ifchain]: #c#f < 1328486516 868823 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ic?ifchain{>$b[] >$sb[=b []=sb ic]} ic < 1328486516 922757 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric : c if_t: .sb(f) < 1328486516 922941 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric : @elif?[ifchain bool ~:ifchain]:#f if_t: .sb(f) < 1328486516 923049 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric : @else?[* ifchain ~:*]:#f .sb(f) .b# < 1328486516 976718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1328486517 69348 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric : @endif?[* ifchain:*]:.b# < 1328486603 452777 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :@true?[bool]: 0 0 = < 1328486603 686778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1328486641 426989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure bool isn't a reserved word? < 1328486672 776852 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's one of the built-in types < 1328486682 950568 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMOUS < 1328486685 844666 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to you can override bool with a different type in an inner-scope < 1328486689 89843 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't fear < 1328486696 962782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good. < 1328486701 746207 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all types are optional you never have to state them anywhere < 1328486716 96807 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a dynamically typed language apart from where you specify types < 1328486765 564138 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esoteric programming I guess you wouldn't bother with typing stuff < 1328486769 240137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-> < 1328486774 28347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually these highly dynamic pet project things are surprisingly common... < 1328486785 80692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: not necessarily. < 1328486797 571639 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is an esoteric OO language! < 1328486798 112105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make the type system turing-complete. < 1328486827 538782 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right yea -.- < 1328486850 402360 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more worried about my type system being decidable at the moment < 1328486857 499833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that? < 1328486861 241956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm not sure there actually exists a statically typed esoteric language. < 1328486878 809752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm almost certain there is. < 1328486885 957206 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind that I'm talking rubbish < 1328486930 895582 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? /me ducks < 1328486941 163860 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ORK < 1328486952 535369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1328486962 649616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not? < 1328486964 953335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure. < 1328486976 603475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it catches type errors at compile time? i have never tried to run anything in it... < 1328486985 576183 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I have no clue actually. < 1328486994 957828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the type of every variable is known at compile time... so.... < 1328487009 439892 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's static typing < 1328487026 875621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might be able to rewrite the variable to a different type later... < 1328487035 873628 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> I don't really know. < 1328487039 636315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am too lazy to find out. < 1328487050 345983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is ORK statically typed? < 1328487066 181564 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :the philosophy of my language is that adding types to variables can allow the compiler to do more optimizations on the code and catch some type errors at compile time < 1328487093 843435 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :any that can't be detected or proven will be found at runtime < 1328487115 476934 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ORK is a really poor choice of syntax for C++. < 1328487115 689467 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the compiler becomes more developed more are detected at runtime rather than compiletime < 1328487161 941004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i take that as a yes. < 1328487164 628483 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindley%E2%80%93Milner < 1328487167 685468 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Indeed. < 1328487169 419101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hm does the same apply to Glass? < 1328487173 385006 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what about it? < 1328487180 203934 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No < 1328487180 257100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Glass is stack based < 1328487187 417380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Glass is dynamic and nonsensical. < 1328487196 756090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: you could use this to infer types at compile-time if you wanted. < 1328487210 736226 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Forth meets Smalltalk meets torture. < 1328487211 42735 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to use some extension of it < 1328487221 93281 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is awesome what are you talking about. < 1328487222 875461 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a stack based language I can't use it directly < 1328487238 24140 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack languages have stack effect systems instead < 1328487247 766732 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will be some strange hybrid of both < 1328487259 622960 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I'm basing the types on regular expressions < 1328487259 826049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a plan to make a really simple revision to dupdog.
< 1328487270 724776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually make it easier to prove turing-completeness < 1328487290 92214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i thought so but in principle none of that _prevents_ it being statically typed :P < 1328487306 490124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets out to make a statically typed stack based language. :>
< 1328487319 232019 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving turing completeness isn't hard < 1328487337 538904 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Dupdog by all means go ahead < 1328487338 257534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess Cat's type system never really got to work, so stack based and statically typed don't go too well together < 1328487340 700048 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: one exists already it's called Cat < 1328487349 769452 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it oerjan < 1328487365 74208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: i thought so but in principle none of that _prevents_ it being statically typed // it'd be ... painful. But perhaps not impossible. < 1328487365 680525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1328487392 941225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system part never got implemented, or possibly it was dropped again < 1328487434 886519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't think it would be too difficult actually.
< 1328487464 384597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not impossible. < 1328487493 547019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh found it < 1328487495 219250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1328487524 97663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: type inference for stack based languages has special needs < 1328487530 822870 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, type inference, yes. < 1328487588 371845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets out to make a statically typed /esoteric/ stack based language.
< 1328487590 581349 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway for starpial basically the type system is ?type or ?[input1type in2type in3type : out1type out2type out3type] < 1328487594 730550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like types for segments of stack, which might be arbitrary length if you want polymorphism < 1328487607 166159 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses regular expressions to handle stupid stuff < 1328487623 156730 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :@loop?[+:*]: #f f# f loop < 1328487623 358710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1328487635 189589 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ being one or more anythings and * being 0 or more anythings < 1328487666 478960 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :but functions like this are obviously going to give the type inference algorithm a lot of problems < 1328487703 412579 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a really bad one < 1328487703 930952 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list?[* int:{*}]: #n n 0 > [dip[n 1 - list] push] {} ?# < 1328487704 174839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1328487730 41153 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of arguments consumed depends on an integer which might not be known at compile time < 1328487763 610999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: well that makes it dependent typing, which is obviously undecidable < 1328487768 833648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to infer < 1328487815 321643 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:07] I'm more worried about my type system being decidable at the moment << and that's why this was rubbish because it's impossible < 1328487966 551774 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, add another quantifier < 1328488032 787766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all cases where doubt exists, always add another possible quantifier < 1328488209 659261 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of allowing the language to try to find a valid value of an uninitialized variable that doesn't cause the program to crash, in the same way that prolog does < 1328488245 158432 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the language can spread over the whole imperative/functional/logic categorizations < 1328488316 548899 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My language is multipathologic" < 1328488392 945332 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically it's meant to make programs more secure and verifiable < 1328488435 881204 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because the type system is undecidable doesn't stop it being doable for a large range of programs < 1328488493 865068 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can require that programs are valid only if their types can be verified by some algorithm < 1328488521 324105 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could but where would be the fun in that < 1328488561 727359 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can release different versions of the algorithm, ensuring language versions are never fully compatible < 1328488591 25861 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language itself is always compatible but what each implementation is able to verify may differ < 1328488593 544806 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that joke might hit too close to home < 1328488661 325034 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: dupdog isn't turing complete < 1328488674 940011 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof is like one line < 1328488738 225781 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nowhere to store any extra state and the length of the program is monotonically decreasing < 1328488763 935101 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine requires potentially infinite state < 1328488780 121264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: um no it's not monotonically decreasing < 1328488803 248733 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1328488811 587886 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplication < 1328488822 549466 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I think that meant < 1328488846 378486 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I thought it only duplicated that character < 1328489026 908887 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE895B9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328489101 393930 :audy-!~audy@heyaudy.com NICK :audy < 1328489390 377665 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it matter if the program spits out random crap while simulating a turing machine < 1328489453 547786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as long as it's easy to filter out < 1328489502 816781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the bitwise cyclic tag proof assumes all deleted bits are printed < 1328489527 264126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would be nicer if you could actually do nice output < 1328489566 287051 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can relax the definition of turing-completeness a long way < 1328489608 237577 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. if determining the final state of some wolfram crank automaton is turing-complete, you can say the automaton is turing-equivalent < 1328489648 762326 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1328489668 813611 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm just having trouble seeing how this language can encode any state that actually affects the running of the program < 1328489679 656291 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1328489698 951205 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all odds and evens < 1328489753 372837 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need a way to store that.. < 1328489764 482316 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1328490083 830770 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for a practical implementation of this language you'd just delete everything except the start and the end < 1328490581 863349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the current preferred non-terrible pastebin? < 1328490603 809014 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium is starting to irritate me these days < 1328490628 222299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In what ways? Perhaps use something else or modify Chromium < 1328490639 94367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Best is sprunge, in my opinion < 1328490643 557037 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, some pages don't work properly < 1328490769 552319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: as i recall, it's not easy to prove you won't need to go arbitrary deep into it < 1328490828 35604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea for a practical implementation is to use a data structure with lots of internal sharing < 1328491039 119979 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really literally nothing used other than the start and the end < 1328491080 514939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: um every command character deletes itself before running < 1328491082 410893 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea you could probably make it so you have a perfect implementation by keeping track of where the copying happened so you can get the inside stuff back < 1328491171 328736 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway back to turing land, still having trouble seeing how it's possible to store data given that you can't add anything to the code or even rearrange it < 1328491202 312244 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :{~s..e} -> {s..es..e} < 1328491205 252857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a reason it's still unresolved :P < 1328491274 14619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now once you run that s part, the two duplicated parts won't be identical any longer < 1328491287 589513 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328491301 740804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it starts looking insanely complicated which commands will get run < 1328491332 937729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it complicated enough to make it tc? we don't know. < 1328491407 183410 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point was that the start and end are still the same so they haven't moved < 1328491427 480873 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversing it has no effect either < 1328491427 920448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh if you make the assumption that there _is_ some part inside that you will never get to ever (even in duplicated form), then keeping just the start and end does seem enough < 1328491441 44134 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a good assumption to me < 1328491470 689957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except you _must_ get to _some_ copy of every command, eventually, i think. < 1328491532 930084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once you have traversed the entire length from the original s to e, suddenly it is not enough to keep track of just start and end any more < 1328491546 809964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to the leftmost e < 1328491592 580359 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I think you only need to keep track of the duplications < 1328491606 462660 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's already logarithmic in the size of the source code as it grows < 1328491619 634738 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's something you can reasonably store < 1328491663 670802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was my idea with the sharing < 1328491740 168951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many things I can think of for Haskell extensions which might be useful to me but many people hate. I thought of another one now, which would be -XWildcardImports which allows you to write import X.Y.Zzz.*; import qualified Xyz.Abc.* as XyzAbc; import qualified Abc.Xyz.* as AbcXyz.*; < 1328491751 470577 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you're right on the every symbol being accessed thing < 1328491774 968167 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program pointer is indeed monotonically moving through the source code from both directions < 1328491794 877015 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does that work portabilitywise < 1328491799 764359 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting stuff happens at the boundaries < 1328491824 924279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you ask a question better, please? I do not completely understand your question < 1328491946 811369 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I can see it: (1) makes dependency tracking harder (2) makes it so things may fail to compile if someone has all the proper dependencies but also some other things that cause conflicts when imported by the wildcard < 1328492008 265096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: One thing is that, if there are directories with these names in the current program, it uses only the modules in the current program and not other packages, is one of my ideas. And if you want other packages wildcard imports you must name them explicitly. < 1328492029 670361 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it will not cause conflicts. < 1328492088 12419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if there are not directories with those names in the current program < 1328492092 153489 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-098.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328492107 800090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Then you get an error if you have not named the package explicitly. < 1328492124 744715 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328492156 82928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, the explicit package naming can also include wildcards, but if you do so, you must explicitly tell the compiler to unhide the packages you want (and that can also include wildcards). < 1328492186 183548 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (f -> f x y) < 1328492186 520381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 4): < 1328492186 721738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ">" < 1328492186 774724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or ")" < 1328492190 413424 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f -> f x y) < 1328492190 810299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip ($ x) y < 1328492199 402108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if there is such a directory ("X/Y/Zzz/" in the first example), but contains no files, that wildcard import declaration is silently ignored. < 1328492217 969757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would use #let for macros, but that conflicts with hsc2hs macro syntax < 1328492292 533504 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-062-176.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328492302 335046 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328492302 812186 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328492302 865232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328492318 215614 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328492341 589141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I didn't know that, but mine has # followed by a letter to indicate what kind of macro you want, such as #D define normal macro, #{ to enter a named chunk and #P for the main program again, etc (somewhat similar to WEB, although using # instead of @) < 1328492443 891924 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other idea for Haskell extension is -XHideNonexist which allows a hiding clause of an import declaration to specify things which the named module does not export, without causing warning/error messages. < 1328492445 528521 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is #P needed? < 1328492515 979893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: For example, #{"hello world"} creates a named section {"hello world"} and then everything beyond that point until another #{ or a #P will be part of that chunk, so #P is the things directly entered into the program rather than a named chunk. < 1328492808 101148 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328492957 541767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (`id` ?x `flip` ?y) < 1328492958 394723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `id' [infixl 9] of a section < 1328492958 697454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1328492958 750376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely `flip' [infixl 9] < 1328492983 938461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, wrong way < 1328492995 371944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh of course < 1328493154 770722 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there could be -XZeroParamTypeClasses which allow you to make a class with zero parameters, which means it can have only one instance (although it does not have to be defined in the same module) < 1328493169 164410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\f -> f x y z) < 1328493169 406196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip ($ x) y) z < 1328493191 400396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And with -XInstanceDisambiguation you could have multiple instances in different files which you can specify which is used) < 1328493204 638468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id `flip` ?x `flip` ?y < 1328493205 537286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1 b. (?x::a, ?y::a1) => (a -> a1 -> b) -> b < 1328493426 251524 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328493535 586012 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-120.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328493576 205516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy spam batman < 1328493906 53376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1328493910 624924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heads up - < 1328493936 74090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA a zombie < 1328493947 503816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the next few days I'm planning to set up MediaWiki on pyralspite, with the intention of importing the daily database dumps of the esolangs wiki and hopefully pointing esolangs.org over there < 1328493955 664685 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328493965 657981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since graue said (via ais) he was open to someone taking over administration. and because this spam is really annoying. < 1328493976 38959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agree
< 1328493999 361270 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooo you ended your strike in order to try to shanghai the site??? < 1328494013 415986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What strike, what shanghaiing < 1328494024 135385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DON'T YOU COME HERE ANY MORE < 1328494075 54271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue doesn't have time to care for the site any more, it's badly in need of a MediaWiki upgrade, and spam now completely fills the recent changes (yesterday you had to increase the shown number of items to see the _legitimate_ changes that got made earlier in the day) < 1328494114 360844 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@109.144.204.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328494114 900864 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@109.144.204.134 QUIT :Changing host < 1328494114 953973 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj JOIN :#esoteric < 1328494117 796778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been using ?limit=250 or whatsitsname for a while < 1328494124 54393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was merely letting people know I'm intending to do such in the next few days, since I have the free time and the server, so that they could contact me with anything they found relevant (e.g. extensions they'd like or such). < 1328494184 961954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by all means revel in your discovery of my dastardly plot to burden myself with installing and configuring anti-spam and caching extensions and administrating a PHP server :) < 1328494269 189278 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You dastard! < 1328494274 558598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1328494275 480888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because I hear this place isn't terribly interesting recently. < 1328494277 557759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you'll enslave us all, right? < 1328494292 360795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently "dastard" is a word, at least according to my spell checker. I have no idea what it means, and it's probably not a noun) < 1328494296 828056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I personally plan to use my database access to give myself the biggest powers, and then delete every brainfuck derivative and put goatse on the main page. < 1328494316 244328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be productive and you would all be completely powerless to do anything, 'cuz domains can't be pointed elsewhere more than once. < 1328494321 845316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, on the whole an improvement. < 1328494324 309250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PERFECT CRIME < 1328494329 499688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, so Phantom_Hoover is involved, right? < 1328494339 40401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's handling the murder. That's ancillary. < 1328494362 374699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1328494366 86464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Also if people know I plan to do it I'm less likely to procrastinate not doing it, which is what I spent today doing.) < 1328494530 417469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly -- does anyone have any experience with the Varnish cache? < 1328494547 254882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or reasons to use other caches < 1328494610 72106 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328494615 185795 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: here it is. < 1328494622 382324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1328494632 37858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't /nick Applejack here. < 1328494636 237578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SO EXPOSED AND DEPONIFIED < 1328494643 766154 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could like not use Apache < 1328494659 515372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: When did I say I was using Apache? < 1328494659 616273 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. Join #esoteric on Sine. }:P < 1328494675 443062 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed that if you actually needed a cache then you were using apache < 1328494689 619903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: You've clearly never run MediaWiki. < 1328494705 543017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats up every resource it's given to serve the minimum amount of people it possibly can. < 1328494750 198186 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like Trac, then. < 1328494772 282174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but the end result is more useful. < 1328494777 615038 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1328494782 735526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, MediaWiki is PHP. < 1328494906 205569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, it looks like nginx might support caching directly. < 1328494914 814716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be less painful than setting up an external cach...ier. < 1328494921 233521 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As you can see from these test, if you are working with Nginx serving static files, it gives you no advantage to put Varnish in front of it" source: http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/04/nginx-varnish-compared-nginx-941 < 1328494951 682510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ColonelJ: That's nice. Where's your source for "MediaWiki is based on serving static files"? < 1328494958 351402 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :truedat < 1328494973 426587 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was just to illustrate one point at least < 1328494981 484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1328494993 103034 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's set up wrong it may well perform even worse < 1328495015 764639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit ridiculous to cache static files anyway. < 1328495018 26333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're already cached. < 1328495027 609714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel will keep them in memory. < 1328495161 470915 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you call this sort of music: http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/homestuck-anthem < 1328495164 521411 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "electronic". < 1328495189 603640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, that's all, methinks. < 1328495190 862226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328495224 6419 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... you know, that one electronic genre that sounds like a ping-pong game at the beginning, and then transitions into piano and violin and bass. < 1328495230 455698 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ambient? < 1328495276 457981 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. It's not very unobtrusive, though, I think. < 1328495403 1344 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just a random one from google/youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPmmHWSZwEA < 1328495409 915369 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the piano coming in after a minute < 1328495474 415370 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess the intros are definitely the same style. < 1328495621 694868 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"White" from the same album may also qualify as ambient. < 1328495989 839248 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328497800 612573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'm going with experimental industrial ambient < 1328497885 709400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that hubble deep field in the background < 1328497915 115939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: approximately how many weeks should i take off work if i want to go through all of homestuck in a single session? < 1328499229 155498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1328499232 564887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328499247 30855 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I seriously use ctrl+W when I mean ctrl+Q an embarrassing amount of the time. < 1328499302 330744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remap? < 1328499807 999478 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1328500678 710730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is: http://sprunge.us/FfJA It is called "Hampp" it is short for "Haskell macro preprocessor" < 1328500724 202031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me I'm wrong. < 1328501230 438863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1328501234 871235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what are you wrong about?) < 1328501399 100026 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually called hamapp < 1328501560 481870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually called hasmacprep < 1328501710 618218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. < 1328501714 612433 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :Stack < 1328501721 611345 :Stack!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1328501738 517262 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :circles are lame < 1328502787 377237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can please tell me in case something should be add/remove/whatever, or comment/question/complain, or something else. < 1328503558 558530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really haskell. sorry. < 1328505490 694532 :ColonelJ!~shardfire@pdpc/supporter/student/colonelj QUIT : < 1328507688 265989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328507753 484340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1328507766 211345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1328507776 886830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very succinct. < 1328507832 829055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328508455 867763 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1328510995 524950 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-098.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328511115 393419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, what file formats you suggest, I could make Hampp load, additionally? And any other idea of built-in macros or other features? One idea I have is 8data which creates datatype declarations from other things, although I am unsure exactly how it would do. < 1328511305 8373 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1328511974 260871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328512088 822807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (Apparently "dastard" is a word, at least according to my spell checker. I have no idea what it means, and it's probably not a noun)" americans -__- < 1328512141 204727 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backformation of dastardly? or is dastardly derived from dastard help < 1328512252 276134 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yaaay elliott was back < 1328513143 623244 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328513235 187096 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was? < 1328513239 296279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1328513554 386791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My spell checker once corrected "benzodiazepines" to "sleeplessness" < 1328515548 38142 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-68.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328515552 157297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-231-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328516635 736821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328517016 356745 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328517447 935615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328518664 562396 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328518942 270810 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10%2F0 < 1328518955 862203 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the things I wish I knew of in grade school < 1328519050 683517 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "number circle" seems less impressive now. < 1328519175 878781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328519200 752918 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328519307 6632 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328520313 111275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328521518 718148 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, Phantom_Hoover update < 1328521664 472264 :diseye!~Diseye@92.62.218.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328521908 577740 :diseye!~Diseye@92.62.218.67 PART :#esoteric < 1328522600 720649 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328522850 723856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328522995 340114 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=brandon+jacobs+rushing+yards+in+lightyears < 1328523354 43391 :Systemzwang!miekko@infa.abo.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328524113 48356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, wolfram alpha has 2D graphs of functions but not 3D :( < 1328524170 696467 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a 3D screen first < 1328524232 444238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Plot3D[Sin[x%2By^2]%2C+{x%2C-3%2C3}%2C+{y%2C-2%2C2}] < 1328524255 97097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly it's writable in some less Mathematicaey way.) < 1328524368 654372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=left-compressed+evolution+of+Wolfram+2%2C3 < 1328524371 600291 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1328524413 825493 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like a^2 + b^2 show a plot < 1328524431 792118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess it guesses. < 1328524434 584724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a^2 + b^2 + c^2 do not < 1328524483 103188 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also multi-dimensional sine things looks cool. < 1328524513 141967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you can just say "plot " < 1328524530 687280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I just deleted 3 recent-pages-screenfuls worth of spam < 1328524538 423988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd only been away for 17 hours or so < 1328524556 826971 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, bro < 1328524558 796259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bayesian inference < 1328524578 773601 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bayesian mass guessing < 1328524586 823787 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1328524599 679812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :train it for a few days by marking changes manually < 1328524810 840876 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Require posters to prove or disprove that a randomly given esoteric language is Turing-equivalent < 1328524845 115244 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like recaptcha, except it's also a Turing test < 1328524851 101986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it input-interpretates http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=RegionPlot3D[x^2+%2B+y^2+%2B+z^2+%3C+1+%26%26+x^2+%2B+y^2+%3C+x^2%2C+{x%2C+-1%2C+1}%2C+{y%2C+-1%2C+1}%2C+{z%2C+-1%2C+1}] right but can't produce an image. < 1328524924 382267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I'm on level III in our room-booking system. < 1328524976 798099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also many RegionPlot3D[]s it just ignores and says something about the equation inside instead. < 1328526394 99638 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-098.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328527277 592783 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5FC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328528027 989272 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328528028 214084 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328528028 814657 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328528028 867431 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328528134 390684 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328528134 444373 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1328528134 444509 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328528134 444564 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328528880 676403 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-66.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328530890 725286 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5FC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328531763 835597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328533280 340973 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-189.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328533301 449672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-231-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328535200 192465 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-030-098.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328536533 216940 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328536747 634757 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.168.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328537148 205060 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.168.232 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328537229 662646 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.168.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328537512 500411 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328538009 453159 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.168.232 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328538086 272140 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328538480 111061 :ammy!~imranlove@host-8-net-125-160-119.mobilinkinfinity.net.pk JOIN :#esoteric < 1328538619 369252 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328538674 721028 :ammy!~imranlove@host-8-net-125-160-119.mobilinkinfinity.net.pk QUIT : < 1328540563 249968 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328541145 940284 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1328541153 455927 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328541696 581530 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1328541700 647068 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1328542044 673972 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1328542306 769174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328542450 652593 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I'm so glad you agree with my celebration! < 1328542521 711674 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-107.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328542577 255613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328542623 755478 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328542713 124663 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-66.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328542793 719501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. < 1328542802 974321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Equal time and all that.) < 1328543132 158615 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ioccc.org/2011/whowon.html :) < 1328543287 139167 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that u < 1328543291 645832 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice < 1328543299 414631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrugalattices, then. < 1328543304 726973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice category. < 1328543339 499209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal was for them to invent a category. < 1328543340 483054 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1328543342 145061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooooh < 1328543500 64734 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1328543548 839606 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, apparently I read the word "Contrugalattices" as "Congratulations" without even a second glance. < 1328543873 51755 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328543873 580126 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1328543873 634355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328544042 414450 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is "Daniel Vik - Tracker player" a coincidence, or a name in this channel? < 1328544057 108976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328544531 305679 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse life? < 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ACTION blinks at suprisingly portable
< 1328544601 14490 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently I can't spell a word even if I've just seen it. < 1328545264 217861 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328546590 214079 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328546593 134158 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328546593 187376 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328546644 239525 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328547866 573041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wow < 1328547870 29670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :results out already < 1328547871 975411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you won < 1328547913 365539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm glad I inspired you into doing this, even if I didn't win myself < 1328547929 54116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, shinh is on there < 1328548271 88503 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sorry you didn't win :( :( but that's actually wildly insufficient to diminish my current ear-to-ear grin 8-D < 1328548283 805293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK < 1328548293 723481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not good enough at C to really do well at the IOCCC < 1328548316 763256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling that there's a relatively small number of entries, though, just from the fact that submissions closed in January and we have the winners already in February < 1328548350 693966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1328548359 61358 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328548382 67382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the easiest way to win is a crazily golfed game full of graphics and sound < 1328548390 897420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't particularly obfuscated < 1328548518 163820 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest way: df clone < 1328548556 771994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: no, not easy to do a df clone within the size limit < 1328548560 673063 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is golfed? < 1328548576 46762 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1328548576 903515 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope to have a small TTL on this question :-> < 1328548633 981403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the IOCCC < 1328548650 94151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically because they request golfing, but because they have a relatively small maximum size limit < 1328548650 635002 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i found it in google by typing golfed esolang < 1328548686 365551 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try vimgolf < 1328548807 701953 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328550253 222538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328550261 696119 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1328550343 304861 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328551973 125457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328552449 133804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328552779 765991 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328553115 992980 :cheater!~cheater@p50897D2B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328554703 710796 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328554832 735721 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328554957 608006 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328554964 185616 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328554965 449426 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1328554965 508579 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328556665 81469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328556893 404305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AAAAH < 1328557295 652170 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328557296 242155 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328557296 295290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1328557300 446298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1328557311 996027 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1328557425 475358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328557624 352198 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-233-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328557624 807574 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-233-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328557624 860570 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1328557625 112751 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART :#esoteric < 1328557668 506629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wolfram alpha wants to tell me about the next big step in computational knowledge, coming soon. < 1328557671 273878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO BAD THEY MADE THE FATAL CHOICE OF TRYING TO OPEN A NEW WINDOW < 1328557684 655956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i shall never look at it. < 1328557906 136281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't actually tell anything there either. < 1328557928 275939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was all "we don't want to reveal the details, but it's going to be amazing". < 1328557942 255727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this would be worrying coming from many people < 1328557945 756867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1328557948 27446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the Wolfram people, it's more likely banal < 1328557978 653164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to personalize the experience on a whole new level, made possible by their computational knowledge methods and whatnots. < 1328557987 760313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think a dialogue was mentioned. < 1328557996 519542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congratulations! < 1328558064 101018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We’re not going to let you know the details just yet, but what you’re going to find is a dramatic enhancement of functionality. You’ll be able to personalize your interaction with Wolfram|Alpha in ways that only our combination of algorithms, presentation tools, and data representation could make possible." < 1328558085 704888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'll be shiny. < 1328558261 113435 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328558452 438852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/Home of N>=1 IOCCC Winners! | Friendship Is Magic: The Gathering | elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\\\/\\\/codu.org\\\/logs\\\/_esoteric\\\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328558470 634528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure what N is at this point < 1328558533 786903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328558548 371081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess most likely 1, if only because it's so long since the last one < 1328558573 73367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i may be forgetting someone i should remember < 1328558582 490454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC winners what? < 1328558597 116485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Gregor won < 1328558618 767016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noice < 1328558668 685148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most self deprecating" huh? < 1328558694 839707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..."most devolving" okay they're just making up arbitrary superlatives now. < 1328558695 690418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so < 1328558762 756859 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do quite enjoy the category they invented for me 8-D < 1328558772 111289 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it makes no sense for any other program. < 1328558790 725836 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most shrinkable" lol < 1328558805 429950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do quite want to know what that means. < 1328558820 239009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shinichiro Hamaji entered as well; I didn't know that before. And it seems like they changed the categories entirely this year. < 1328558833 940489 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The categories change every time. < 1328558836 967828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should have run a spellchecker over that page. < 1328558844 796395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there two Paint by number puzzle? < 1328558845 493747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They reuse, but they invent categories per-competition. < 1328558853 234984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how difficult it is to actually win IOCCC
< 1328558940 677036 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.9.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328558978 193771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there seems to be something resembling a duplicate < 1328559018 652977 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I'm curious about that too, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what it means. < 1328559019 965300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and both from Japan, could be a duplicate < 1328559030 24257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be Japanese clones. < 1328559042 175759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with secret identities. < 1328559061 276897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best non-chess game - but no chess games anywhere else :P < 1328559066 237488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yup < 1328559076 886417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they got a lot of chess game entries. < 1328559083 852786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's in one of those 3 embedded programs for the best of show < 1328559133 532019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION submits an obfuscated C portal chess implementation for IOCCC 21
< 1328559169 897157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it was a co-submitted entry < 1328559170 378374 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who was talking about making a MIDI and/or Tracker player for this IOCCC (other than elliott and me, since I stole the idea and then didn't follow thru) < 1328559218 870153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You'd think they could format it less ridiculously then ... < 1328559253 129091 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="blah";s'blah'\r\n';print < 1328559254 581359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to wind people up < 1328559255 828857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\r\n < 1328559269 65199 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh? < 1328559270 598535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: testing quoting rules of s'''? < 1328559271 204709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we know ais523's name, so he wasn't one of the winners < 1328559276 921689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't, I already said as much < 1328559289 853713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been about a month since I've looked at perl. I occasionally forget small details. :P < 1328559306 760749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i haven't finished logreading yet < 1328559375 336310 :AndGregor!~Gregor@173-138-231-22.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328559388 960120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AndGregor: hi < 1328559426 463244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LandGregor, to distinguish from the SkyGregor and the SeaGregor. < 1328559442 565855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was more expecting OrGregor and XorGregor < 1328559446 553544 :AndGregor!~Gregor@173-138-231-22.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth pony Gregor < 1328559545 700896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog daniel vik < 1328559578 387855 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1328559585 786105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1328559597 494886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may not have been mentioned < 1328559657 712418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shinh < 1328559673 940392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-26.txt:15:51:37: here's a GolfScript factorial program, that factorials every line of input (treating it as a number): http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Factorial/narb_1298033052&gs < 1328559697 444105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the maintainer of that site? < 1328559705 955905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also ICFP winner, i saw) < 1328559726 415470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shinh> < 1328559733 847274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1328559823 811339 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328559844 812394 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328559855 692617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\land is IIRC LaTeX for the /\. < 1328559882 523233 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328559885 556268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In related news, "latex land" is a google search for which some of the hits... are not about LaTeX. < 1328559924 486773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _may_ be relevant to rule 34. < 1328559928 539827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume.) < 1328559938 48961 :AndGregor!~Gregor@173-138-231-22.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1328560115 25160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random gripe time: they don't stick X servers in the lecture room Windows workstations. :/ < 1328560136 799945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They do put a commercial SSH client in, though.) < 1328560498 724097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: two version replies? < 1328560692 424018 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328560757 716215 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someona can read my future? < 1328560823 935777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1328560827 552493 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. < 1328560843 314709 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1328560848 661383 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sank you < 1328560867 237998 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know only C++ an C# btw < 1328560869 231372 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1328560899 160869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, this is probably the wrong channel for you < 1328560910 74721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a while to figure out where the right one was (several years), but we're happy to send people there now < 1328560961 111675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1328560964 432522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1328560973 757647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you like this stuff too :) < 1328561487 127616 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.9.255 QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1328561901 102855 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Random gripe time: they don't stick X servers in the lecture room Windows workstations. :/ // what a ... shock? < 1328561904 246757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where by "shock" < 1328561905 827367 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "duh" < 1328562025 578571 :AndGregor!~Gregor@173-138-231-22.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1328562677 825163 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328563036 469449 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328563559 305843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But they have a site-wide license to one X server and all, and they used to put it in. < 1328563578 215162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm supposed to show some MATLAB stuffs tomorrow.) < 1328563647 17103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oerjan: Upon further observation, the two "paint by number puzzle" entries are almost certainly a coventure, as the site says there are 14 winners but this list has 15 entries. < 1328563695 866574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1328563720 111650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328564186 451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unionBy < 1328564186 917346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1328564235 628123 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328564241 720287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unionBy < 1328564242 59571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List unionBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1328564571 50007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 14 winners but this list has 15 entries => one of them is the loser < 1328564780 832482 :Physis!~Physis@178-36-150-182.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328565147 212511 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5FC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328565192 444498 :kallisti!~eris@c-24-131-57-34.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328565194 173774 :kallisti!~eris@c-24-131-57-34.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328565194 228117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328566441 546634 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328567071 682007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328567182 356960 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328567184 655706 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328567208 755002 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1328567268 738949 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328567843 927644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328568221 135641 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328569144 491952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328569688 827971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328569719 516649 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328571662 547497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328572452 555096 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328572507 339058 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, Phantom of the Update < 1328573842 231822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1328573850 270768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian scientists reach lake vostok < 1328573867 906868 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328574129 355825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/Home of N>=1 IOCCC Winners! | Friendship Is Magic: The Gathering | elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\\\/\\\/codu.org\\\/logs\\\/_esoteric\\\/ | Now slightly on-topic | It came from Lake Vostok/fnord < 1328574169 582271 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328575828 328305 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328576187 332955 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328576223 965089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Congrats. < 1328576239 803696 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328576262 571005 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328576272 502976 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328576299 859810 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328577472 444833 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328578604 386042 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thankee :) < 1328578779 668370 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, congratulations. What is unexpected portability? < 1328578810 987782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll just have to wait and seeeeeee 8-D < 1328578814 449166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it accidentally runs just fine on a Harvard MARK < 1328578862 566085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Something tells me there's no C compiler for it :) < 1328578868 776009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1328578878 672506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's so unexpected < 1328578905 250019 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.
< 1328578948 417256 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's a JIT. If it runs on more than one CPU and fits in their size requirements, it's unexpectedly portable. < 1328579230 718832 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328579263 341588 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328579449 470750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328579900 672907 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congrats! is there any code (or hint.txt) available? < 1328579907 998855 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5FC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328579932 138928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need that pegasus replacement soon, it's too quiet here < 1328580049 476936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328580061 843669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328580533 397955 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: There will be when IOCCC posts it. < 1328580541 996232 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I've decided to heed their request not to release 'til they do. < 1328580559 990448 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, i see. < 1328580565 142027 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would /nick RainbowDash or even /nick Fluttershy or especially /nick DerpyHooves but they're all owned :( < 1328580573 772756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328580594 282127 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was never an IOCCC winner so i didn't know about that) < 1328580615 161144 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Apparently the delay is to allow people to fix last-minute bugs etc. < 1328580618 559802 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good 'cuz I've got one 8-D < 1328581004 328705 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Flim < 1328581007 829394 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1328581011 672467 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally found an unowned pony name. < 1328581016 230118 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it's a terrible one. < 1328581123 34767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit flimsy < 1328581133 636639 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flim is kind of a dick. < 1328581146 802595 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also him and his "brother" Flam are only brothers in the biblical sense, if you understand my meaning. < 1328581165 244575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't. < 1328581173 275771 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably for the best X-D < 1328581483 990933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1328581491 436305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328581497 726099 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: OH GOD NO < 1328581621 206144 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1328583715 620015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328583767 394781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328585680 907935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a shogi variant called "Shogi of the Central Madness". Each player picks up one card, and you are not allowed to look at your opponent's cards. You can use the cards/dice if you have a piece in the center square of the board. < 1328585722 281962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSshogiofthecent < 1328585811 500031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many players? < 1328585840 697567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328586125 608906 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :KindaConfused < 1328586202 868962 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328586278 299277 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening all. Or whatever time you are. < 1328586325 668788 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1328586337 462635 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been awhile. < 1328586380 726699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't kept track < 1328586382 463414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeons ago, evincar roamed these lands. < 1328586403 105950 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION evinc-hars.
< 1328586408 793469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were those aeons before or after elliott vanished < 1328586415 929280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before. < 1328586417 138361 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's been on StackExchange a lot? < 1328586421 701121 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth. < 1328586449 499366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta keep that rep up, hm < 1328586461 354549 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :StackOverflow specifically. I see him in the Haskell tag quite a bit. < 1328586462 917144 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328586464 232281 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly. < 1328586733 709007 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of SE, I've got a question that probably isn't suitable for there. < 1328586740 986590 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone cares. < 1328586750 223090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good question < 1328586793 802463 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. < 1328586797 494716 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If good=objective. < 1328586814 137458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1328586823 24680 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked. :P < 1328586833 249001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, without elliott we cannot answer subjective questions any longer. < 1328586879 404694 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in a language with concatenative and applicative expressions, should you keep argument order visually the same [a b c f]=(f a b c) or reverse one of them so partial application works right (f a b c)=[a b c f]? < 1328586893 511491 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1328586896 19492 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, typo. < 1328586912 653479 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter should be (f a b c)=[c b a f]. < 1328586917 809867 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. < 1328586981 498212 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to have to reread that < 1328587001 243767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having both sounds like a mess < 1328587003 431294 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid elliott stole all opinionatedness out of us. < 1328587019 796460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is pikhq. but he only does politics. < 1328587050 541214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. I'm strongly opinionated about policy. < 1328587061 488849 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is and it isn't. I like concatenative languages, but some things are way nicer to write in applicative style. Take math expressions. < 1328587090 899979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ have a prefix concatenative language, couldn't you. < 1328587105 236918 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, no reason why not. < 1328587164 580727 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd look like Lisp with less nesting. < 1328587166 528765 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328587166 978079 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328587167 32715 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328587172 612172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kallisti < 1328587178 443619 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can answer evincar's subjective question < 1328587222 373572 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It boils down to whether things should look right or work right. :P < 1328587276 617609 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll prolly just add a flip operator and be done with it. < 1328587281 62230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :working wrong is kind of a problem < 1328587312 598291 :KindaConfused!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1328587399 5315 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, when it's in those terms, it's kind of obvious. :/ < 1328587887 473903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I'm great at humans < 1328587890 23783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the question? < 1328587892 69056 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1328587915 485478 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328587915 889913 :kallisti!~eris@h206.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1328587915 943215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1328587924 852441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I'm great at humans < 1328587927 307117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the question? < 1328587946 802411 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "In a language with concatenative and applicative expressions, should you keep argument order visually the same [a b c f]=(f a b c) or reverse one of them so partial application works right (f a b c)=[c b a f]?" < 1328587964 511655 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, working right or looking right. < 1328587965 765669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :great at humans, bad at networking < 1328587974 184680 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty much past it. < 1328588027 583604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I don't really understand the purpose of the reversal anyway. < 1328588040 948842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :[c b a f] is how a stack language evaluates f < 1328588061 723272 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nearly every concatenative language is a stack language < 1328588078 598500 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, their authors C B A.) < 1328588126 259398 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the difference between having (map f list) correspond to [list f map] or [f list map]. < 1328588130 846697 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I choose "working right". < 1328588205 680601 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-233.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328588220 122214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328588222 323764 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This question seems so subjective it's meta-subjective. < 1328588238 585510 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is EASILY the worst pony name so I'm abandoning it. < 1328588240 356331 :Flim!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1328588324 791559 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The original question, that is, not the specific example) < 1328588921 353267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-111.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328589102 381863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-233.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328589103 131766 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to infer dependent types in general? I forget. < 1328589259 620170 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like no, because you could easily get nontermination if you had a type dependent on a function value. < 1328589297 935076 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, dependence on just base values is perfectly useful. < 1328589558 282353 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think you need a specific definition of "dependent types", since not all definitions of the term are decidable type systems, and inferring an undecidable type system is arguably a lost cause :) < 1328589660 796506 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just arguably... < 1328589682 15356 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there are plenty of useful programs that have decidable types even if the system in general is undecidable. < 1328589699 232003 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, "dependent type system" is a rather broad category of things. < 1328589717 569905 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott_ hi < 1328589717 745314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328589727 905123 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott check your messages as elliott_ < 1328589728 160706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1328590314 215908 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I must go. My people need me. < 1328590316 378984 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758] < 1328590511 311663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus evincar roamed on, to quests unknown. < 1328590744 895040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this D&D game I took a pot from the kitchen, fill with rain water, climb onto the roof, find the chimney pot full of rain water too, and pour them all down the chimney, almost extinguishing a fire elemental who was hiding in the fireplace. < 1328591822 96043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the players selected the maximum allowed age, weight, and height for her character. < 1328592226 538710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now has 57 pages in full mode, and 27 chapters, and 25 footnotes. < 1328592602 747433 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1328593968 302655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328594462 300210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328594492 287056 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-111.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328594535 888687 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: good night < 1328595644 944826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328595653 33519 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-188.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328596804 158239 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328597863 477652 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-126.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328597890 25055 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-107.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328598676 979106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfectchNtQM I think this is harder to understand than Japanese. < 1328598682 742973 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's nominally in English. < 1328599852 830352 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328600163 44889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gratz on the IOCCC thing < 1328600503 486952 :zoot`!~user@c-98-237-148-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328600504 87259 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328601210 805867 :zoot`!~user@c-98-237-148-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1328603019 517870 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328604333 414333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328604964 539205 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ocamlers around? < 1328604984 592117 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just someone better at it/more caffeinated than I am < 1328605205 495982 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you run a Haskell code in virtual machine? < 1328605547 691288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328607962 448109 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6eae.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328608519 48779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328608847 910849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328609310 406741 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i can follow 80% of the dialogue, perhaps due to the uk influences on australia < 1328609568 942584 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328609828 865426 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not 80% < 1328611172 141688 :ker-!~oliver@krlh-4d03484c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328612996 331499 :ker-!~oliver@krlh-4d03484c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1328613676 396037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1328617950 752229 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328617950 955493 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328617951 8333 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328618125 335270 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328618710 719009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328619362 314044 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328619383 794352 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-126.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1328619395 492255 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1328619396 998266 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328619431 381151 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu NICK :NihilistDandy < 1328619526 735055 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-134-75.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328619846 16016 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1328619966 347963 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-230.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328619970 353010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-188.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328620048 294888 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328620149 477311 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1328620150 275108 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 NICK :Frooxius < 1328620904 828020 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-230.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328620915 284837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328621088 64407 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328621109 658007 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1328621136 553990 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 NICK :NihilistDandy < 1328622518 63643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Home of N>=1 IOCCC Winners! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | There is nothing more fun to watch than experimenting with elephant toothpaste < 1328623556 418717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you've changed the topic to be written in one of those languages where just having a simple line of text with no frills will cause it to be output. (Sadly I can't recall any right now, but I'm sure I've seen a hello, world example that was just hello, world.) < 1328623599 375394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Text? PHP? < 1328623607 734164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which qualifies as more esoteric < 1328623617 991394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Text < 1328623695 221436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I recall a non-joke eso-example, but I might be wrong. It didn't have a PHP-esque escape sequence approach; it was one of those rewritingey things, I think. < 1328623718 920122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ///? < 1328623724 676349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the topic has slashes in already < 1328623750 961420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could've been that I was thinking about, and right. < 1328623770 69566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the topic was in /// /before/ I changed it < 1328623956 362774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be in Swap now. It doesn't have any \s or ~s. < 1328624305 475471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328624802 640171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328624902 858771 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328625270 500507 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/ < 1328627891 769781 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-134-75.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328628015 330308 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-156-254.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328628424 629363 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-141-41.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328628570 492112 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-156-254.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328629107 544751 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-157-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328629282 261444 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-141-41.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328629289 435428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328629291 117237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1328630590 873956 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328630593 736335 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1328630593 789498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328631251 345073 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Kovo < 1328631807 189574 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328632178 721178 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328632211 12488 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki really needs a captcha < 1328632294 623100 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after making an edit, a captcha isn't unreasonable < 1328632312 21567 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or before, whatever it is < 1328632323 968810 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^when making an edit.. < 1328632412 180189 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anonymous and non-autoconfirmed users, certainly... < 1328632593 125090 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on account creation < 1328632627 55437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tzxn3: the wiki /has/ a CAPTCHA < 1328632633 343614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't strong enough to defeat the spambots < 1328632636 416896 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328632638 80580 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arithmetic < 1328632650 599422 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't really say that's a captcha though < 1328632652 781803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Graue is refusing to administer the wiki any more, even though he's the only person who can change it < 1328632661 530083 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1328632671 234152 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1328632695 134541 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Changing host < 1328632695 187513 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/ihope JOIN :#esoteric < 1328632772 205980 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem needs to be solved < 1328632804 669231 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1328632813 542328 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you guys roll your own captcha? < 1328632859 42055 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a brainfuck captcha? < 1328632874 630714 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess no < 1328632876 370083 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1328632896 445035 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue seems to be the only bureaucrat and the only person with server access < 1328632916 20971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a Brainfuck program to output the following string: «random text» < 1328632937 667408 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can easily be done algorithmically though < 1328632962 219872 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfdev has a tool specifically for that purpose < 1328632970 613022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And soooo many spambots will use it. < 1328632982 851788 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :security through obscurity is never good practice < 1328632994 561229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/ihope QUIT :Changing host < 1328632994 614204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1328633001 119701 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really security its just aversion :D < 1328633013 585527 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1328633024 460915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i had in mind is if the captcha showed bf code < 1328633037 843099 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. it could be just a cipher < 1328633105 846863 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind.. i can't outthink ioccc winners < 1328633200 225688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be massively difficult for a human < 1328633357 650790 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my suggestion is actually a terrible idea, presented in jest X_X < 1328633395 1641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with these turing tests is that you can't write a perfect turing test as a computer program < 1328633472 891282 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be all that long before peoples cams are just 3d rendered scenes of bedrooms and human models < 1328633634 725354 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328634410 438434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1328636186 650817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328637308 692412 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is way to run cross-platform sandboxed compiled Haskell codes in a virtual machine? < 1328637328 175875 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cross-platform compiled"? < 1328637337 209032 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell compiles to native code < 1328637442 70328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it compiles to native code. But is there some way to do it cross-platform and sandboxed? Possibly using an emulator, if that is necessary? < 1328637443 131953 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Haskell” doesn’t specify anything about compilation. There are various implementations which compile to e.g. native code and JavaScript. < 1328637542 552350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I want to use GHC, probably. < 1328637556 955010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328637703 280412 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328639167 345194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-140.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: homework < 1328640219 563593 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1328641185 772310 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328641370 56697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1328641959 945020 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-157-189.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1328642827 707951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328643139 581284 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-157-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328643518 264966 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think applicative laws imply that (pure mempty) and (liftA2 mappend) form a monoid. Together with the functor laws and parametricity, are any other laws needed? < 1328644037 110600 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328644267 908080 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1328644327 539859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone, usable Recent Changes!: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ARecentchanges&namespace=-1&invert=1 < 1328644334 645769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't show deletions or blocks < 1328644387 921790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that works. But why does that work? < 1328644410 596767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: -1 is the Special namespace < 1328644423 359432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what deletions and blocks are apparently recorded as in the recent changes table < 1328644449 203519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1328645794 190361 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1328646308 198086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSVC has quite the clever-trick n/8 for a signed int n: mov eax, ecx; cdq; and edx, 7; add eax, edx; sar eax, 3; (This is with n in ecx, result in eax.) < 1328646789 139219 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328646992 349025 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328647377 912022 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328647384 51031 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1328648860 841191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328648865 413494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1328648984 583442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: error 48: cannot assign values to aggregates < 1328649044 43688 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1328649044 830455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1328649068 316594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just recently-ish got that, and thought I'd pass it on.) < 1328649235 185014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know if anyone else has that clever-trick? < 1328649304 77775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. A version of GCC does instead lea eax, [rcx+7]; test ecx, ecx; cmovns eax, ecx; sar eax, 3; which accomplishes the same, but I think is less clever-tricky. < 1328649523 717821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Seems that my version of clang has a sort-of related trick: mov eax, edi; sar eax, 31; shr eax, 29; add eax, edi; sar eax, 3; That's also quite tricky. < 1328649565 587219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which way works best? < 1328649606 682952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might depend on the particular CPU. I haven't measured, and it might be that with different optimization flags the compilers would use different sort of tricks. < 1328649662 976306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one could also try the hybrids that would either sar eax, 31; and eax, 7; or cdq; shr edx, 29; instead. < 1328649954 494408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existing Language.Haskell.Preprocessor.Printer.dump (in "preprocessor-tools" package) seem long and doesn't appear to work very well anyways, so I wrote my own code: < 1328649973 159212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeTokens :: Handle -> Loc -> [Token] -> IO (); writeTokens _ _ [] = pure (); writeTokens h l (x : t) = writeUpdateLoc h l (loc x) >> hPutStr h (val x) >> writeTokens h (advance (loc x) (val x)) t; < 1328649990 952117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added Luigi to my webpage < 1328650008 910156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writeUpdateLoc :: Handle -> Loc -> Loc -> IO (); writeUpdateLoc h x y | isBogus y = unless (isBogus x) $ hPutChar h '\n'; writeUpdateLoc h x y | (file x, line x) == (file y, line y) && col x <= col y = hPutStr h $ replicate (col y - col x) ' '; writeUpdateLoc h x y | (file x, line x + 1) == (file y, line y) = hPutStr h $ '\n' : replicate (col y - 1) ' '; writeUpdateLoc h x y = hPutStr h $ "\n# " ++ show (line y) ++ " " ++ show (file y) ++ "\n" < 1328650095 53370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that package really considered that good if you have to make a lot of your own changes anyways? < 1328651616 680609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now consider my esolang page complete. < 1328651617 83516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/ < 1328652350 968050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-125.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328652519 971780 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328652996 197574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328653140 518262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh not combined sneezing and nose-bleeding! < 1328653421 340318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make modern art! < 1328653437 430948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put a canvas in front. < 1328653483 420527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the nose-bleeding seems to have stopped without getting really bad. < 1328653533 55013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gurgle some paint, then. < 1328653534 581543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit if this is the flu, i should have bought more bread today. < 1328653575 40866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to go out to buy groceries when sick is no fun < 1328653597 743871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have some bread-in-a-can for that. (I think there is such a thing.) < 1328653603 276186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1328653615 204936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandwich-in-a-can, in fact. < 1328653622 620959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked really unappetizing. < 1328653708 292010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the sneezing may have stopped too. < 1328653841 947213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and Graue is refusing to administer the wiki any more, even though he's the only person who can change it < 1328653855 514320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott came by claiming to be trying to take over < 1328653864 409303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, we've been discussing it in PM < 1328653877 437154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not /entirely/ sure he'll survive contact with MediaWiki, though < 1328653894 96850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1328653896 755700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like kryptonite for programmers with good style < 1328653965 671838 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE890F0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328654098 809543 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328654280 148625 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328654366 304185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Graue is refusing to continue then Gregor (or someone else) should do so, because there is many problem with it so far we should need to add more things. More people can fix it at once, if you have a Hackiki service, for example. < 1328654503 555197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think converting it entirely into hackiki is in the plans... < 1328654509 280841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing you could make, is to copy the TeX->picture program I have (it is PHP, so it will work with MediaWiki; and everything works with Hackiki) and make it cache the results. (There are other program but they fail at many things; I did it correctly secure yet highly functionable) < 1328654543 860189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki has its own tex->picture plugin, doesn't it < 1328654558 6007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it does, but it doesn't work very well. < 1328654583 751525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has volunteered. < 1328654636 707043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my program http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texify/texify.php?source=2 You will need to modify it to work on any computer other than my own. < 1328654671 414848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will also need to modify it to cache the results (possibly as files in the image gallery). < 1328654700 391774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need the format file http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texify/texify.php?source=3 < 1328654777 232302 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there should be no problem having MediaWiki's standard one called

/ filter, a bunch of caching to speed things up, and better admin tools. < 1328655292 785718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precondition is false sounds like mod_security, which is Apache rubbish I won't install, so no problems there. < 1328655314 857094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Nostalgia skin ships with MediaWiki, so I'm surprised it's not on Esolang... < 1328655320 781715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that maybe what is used for that

/ filter? < 1328655333 569913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I think so. < 1328655344 516010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes do get rid of silly

/ filter and of all filter, actually; sometimes any text might be needed entered. Maybe you could make the filter apply only to users who are not autoconfirmed, so autoconfirmed users can enter anything. < 1328655384 336654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they be able to copy over the user database? < 1328655402 945765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-spam I'm planning, apart from the admin tools that would basically eliminate the current spam with a single admin action, is just a CAPTCHA on every anonymous edit like we have currently, and a CAPTCHA on the registration page, which is what's currently letting all the spam in. I was just going to go with a trivial quiz-based CAPTCHA with esolang-specific questions, since there's no chance of a spambot getting around that. < 1328655418 477705 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328655419 820001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. I think that the esolang wiki dumps are just raw SQL dumps, so I think they include the user database. < 1328655429 530970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If they do, that means they include password hashes too... thankfully they're salted, IIRC.) < 1328655446 147922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, hopefully Graue will be unbusy enough to give a complete copy. < 1328655463 685497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think images will have to be manually reuploaded, but there's not very many. < 1328655471 95977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just a CAPTCHA for anonymous edits and registration should be OK, and no CAPTCHA for any autoconfirmed users. < 1328655572 294027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other idea is install some extensions, such as some data processing extensions, and the tag which is like

 but can specify download filename which downloads its contents
< 1328657245 417384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe there are other ways; I cannot think of any, though.
< 1328657267 7780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is already an HTML tag that MediaWiki allows
< 1328657308 574460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything preventing the page from being called http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF/Implementation.lhs ?
< 1328657310 928206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call it something else
< 1328657335 960912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think so
< 1328657338 50638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but even if it is called that, I don't think it will call the saved file with that name by default.
< 1328657348 964093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1328657355 241601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original saves as "Implementation" here
< 1328657370 354990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could call it, e.g. PureBF.lhs or such, perhaps?
< 1328657405 610612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The download link wants to save as index.php on this browser.
< 1328657409 544465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my computer it saves as "index.php" when the download link is used (unless, of course, I enter a different filename at the save prompt)
< 1328657447 934463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But yes if that did work, I could call it that and it would work.
< 1328657459 668460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where *is* the download link, anyway? I just appended ?action=raw.
< 1328657524 719117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At the bottom. I didn't try just append ?action=raw because I didn't know you can use query parameters in that way, but yes that works. Still it would be a convenience to have it without requiring entering the URL in the link
< 1328657530 844453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try ?action=raw&ctype=text/css
< 1328657593 735593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat
< 1328657626 898234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because text/plain is a security bug due to a misfeature in old versions of IE
< 1328657634 757258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every browser interprets text/css the same way as text/plain
< 1328657646 907074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without the bug
< 1328657665 606429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1328657671 765364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is ridiculous, but it seems not to be MediaWiki's fault for once
< 1328657699 779053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF/Implementation?action=raw&ctype=
< 1328657700 142121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, allowing arbitrary content to be served as text/plain is a security bug in some old IE version because it sometimes interprets it as HTML, which can contain JS, thus a really stupid XSS bug)
< 1328657704 486240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should download as Implementation
< 1328657718 955716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a param to set the filename? it would be nice to be able to avoid moving the page
< 1328657725 47923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1328657789 701680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples of things other than literate Haskell is http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Feuermonster/Bf2Py where direct download doesn't work. You could have something such as  ....  or something like that
< 1328657799 502609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway, I could look into adding a "Download this page" link to the sidebar or such; that seems easier than extending the markup parser
< 1328657819 933868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't your dottyweb thing allow extraction of explicitly marked-up code from pages?
< 1328657849 383494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes it does; I should make it work with 
 specifications (currently it doesn't work). But then you need to have PHP on your computer, and that program.
< 1328657849 766897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that a /brainfuck to python compiler/ written in /lisp/?
< 1328657865 608868 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes I think it is.
< 1328657905 372463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do suppose "Download this page" could work too but some might need direct download and some using converted download.
< 1328657926 120054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's surprising you about that?
< 1328657932 212339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like, say, a BF to Prolog compiler written in VHDL
< 1328657971 142859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that_ would be just insane, clearly
< 1328657974 661260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes that would be more strange for sure
< 1328658011 99937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is esolang wiki; so even things as strange as that might possibly be done.
< 1328658086 310121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is VHDL even capable of taking input from stdin?
< 1328658105 200261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would it have to be FFIed through TCL or something?
< 1328658119 323806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. Probably not, unless you have a emulation for the stdin
< 1328658137 346075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can output to stdout, although obviously only in simulation
< 1328658143 116559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Tcl/?
< 1328658164 8122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm reasonably sure it has some sort of FFI to TCL
< 1328658169 491457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in simulation
< 1328658173 604244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tcl
< 1328658176 183045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purpose of running testbenches
< 1328658177 633117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, OK
< 1328658194 367769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an initialism, though, IIRC, although maybe one that's been lowercased since
< 1328658218 281358 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1328658227 704377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tcl (originally from "Tool Command Language", but conventionally rendered as "Tcl" rather than "TCL"; pronounced as "tickle" or "tee-see-ell"[3])"
< 1328658261 914862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, readline looks promising
< 1328658360 894932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Calling it TCL is a very good way of demonstrating you don't know Tcl. :)
< 1328658378 431352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed, I hardly know it
< 1328658381 770304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used it without properly knowing it
< 1328658392 847430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at one point, I had to visit #tcl, or maybe ##tcl, to ask them how to write a loop
< 1328658396 945722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shows just how much I didn't know it
< 1328658453 140126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :file myfile: text open read_mode is "/etc/passwd";
< 1328658456 315418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a bizarre syntax
< 1328658472 885887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No kidding.
< 1328658473 205486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's used in the same context you'd normally put a variable declaratoin
< 1328658475 881653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*declaration
< 1328658500 171867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually reading from it seems to be a time-reversed write with "read" instead of "write", which is easy enough to remember, though
< 1328658567 910152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I learned Haskell programming, I did not have to ask how to write a loop since it is done in almost the same way as it is ordinarily done in mathematics, and I already know about mathematics. So, obviously, Tcl is difference from that way.
< 1328658585 474172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1328658592 263224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is almost call-by-name, it seems
< 1328658602 143835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more call-by-string-representation
< 1328658622 463581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which mostly comes to the same thing but is much more mathematically ugly
< 1328658676 644848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't know better, I'd think that ais523's definition of mathematical beauty is defined in terms of call-by-name.
< 1328658688 752424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've realised I'm a call-by-name fanboy
< 1328658695 706098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know better?
< 1328658702 72203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paul Levy has attempted to talk me out of it, but failed so far, although I ended up liking call-by-push-value too
< 1328658727 968193 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep

< 1328658728 268484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1328658754 464231 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I SAID SLEEP
< 1328658754 688361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1328658756 588574 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1328658761 147394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You only just now realised that?
< 1328658765 711354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1328658766 15039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1328658768 59640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By the way, I hate call-by-name.
< 1328658776 423726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I've been one for ages, but I only realised the fact recently
< 1328658780 426035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it was more obvious to other people
< 1328658791 633034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think he'd get that message that soon :P
< 1328658797 406199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't get annoyed at people for hating call-by-name, I merely pity them
< 1328658843 215221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In correct languages, call-by-name is identical to call-by-need, but slower.
< 1328658855 95218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are going to favour an implementation detail, why favour an imperfect one?
< 1328658865 465456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, better, why favour any implementation detail at all, in terms of mathematical elegance?
< 1328658871 434984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in /pure/ languages, call-by-name is identical to call-by-need, but slower
< 1328658881 912119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in impure languages, they're quite different
< 1328658892 962728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you should have heard Paul Levy's attack against Haskell, it was hilarious
< 1328658896 59075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT HE SAID
< 1328658896 959377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's false.
< 1328658905 231633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your statement is false and you should feel bad.
< 1328658921 159820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about how its use of monads for managing side effects was missing exponential algebras
< 1328658932 929395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus had problems representing some things
< 1328658935 706930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, things that are impure aren't worthy of the name "language", as any schoolchild knows. Secondly, call-by-name is not identical to call-by-need in pure languages.
< 1328658954 634508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think of a way to be more condescending than "... as any schoolchild knows".

< 1328658969 225976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the firstly is clearly a troll attempt, but I'd be interested to see a counterexample for the secondly
< 1328658976 101886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of observable behaviour, rather than performance
< 1328658979 385446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm haskell's monads sort of turn call-by-need back into call-by-name
< 1328658999 530478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, hmm, you may be right.
< 1328659008 458646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let me rephrase the statement I was trying to make to be appropriately controversial:
< 1328659013 26578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by involving an action which needs to be performed each time
< 1328659020 194725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In correct languages, all evaluation strategies are implementation details, and therefore identical.
< 1328659022 919335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, some monads)
< 1328659033 516013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore not hating them all makes you an idiot and unworthy of using the term "mathematical beauty".
< 1328659052 321842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does exponential algebras mean?
< 1328659058 337139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, Haskell is incorrect due to not being total!
< 1328659072 794414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Of course Haskell is incorrect.
< 1328659087 85452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is disgusting. The pure untyped lambda calculus is disgusting.
< 1328659109 730892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, how do you write a Y combinator in Underload, preferably in a way that would also work in typed Underload?
< 1328659112 390546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer lives in a mound of filth to signify its unholy status. I have one reserved solely for running @ in a bed of flowers.
< 1328659115 760342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is easy, but has an infinite type
< 1328659128 975669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I already asked how to write a fixed-point combinator in Underload ages ago, IIRC.
< 1328659145 473388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1328659149 501931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typed Underload sounds like much less cool an idea than lazy Underload.
< 1328659165 893048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I think Underload actually models call-by-push-value rather than call-by-value or call-by-name
< 1328659171 653358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be both lazy and unlazy at once
< 1328659180 536469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually /noticed/ this when compiling Unlambda-including-d into it
< 1328659205 807885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everything model call-by-push-value if you squint hard enough? Isn't that kind of the point?
< 1328659216 262564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't like monadic effects either.
< 1328659223 607731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're disgusting. Also incorrect.
< 1328659241 885384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, call-by-push-value is meant to be (and actually is) a superset of both call-by-value and call-by-name
< 1328659250 564304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's designed for handling effects properly
< 1328659263 745777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nontermination is considered an effect)
< 1328659280 486601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can implement it with monads, but also in several quite different ways that don't involve monads at all
< 1328659319 315319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Y combinator makes no sense in a strict language, does it...
< 1328659395 70820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, "the Y combinator" diverges as it's a specific fixed-point combinator
< 1328659400 720918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "a fixed-point combinator" makes sense
< 1328659426 892758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find call-by-push-value's handling of effects distasteful.
< 1328659433 964292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know what it is?
< 1328659470 757319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly, yes.
< 1328659532 671415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, I don't buy its "unification".
< 1328659546 181567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mathematically it's correct
< 1328659548 697737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It forces you to be explicit about evaluation, which is exposing an implementation detail in my religion.
< 1328659558 192064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a unification, it's just lower-level.
< 1328659562 879089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps
< 1328659568 183958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can encode call-by-name and call-by-value in x86 machine code, too.
< 1328659575 121645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it has something to do with religious stuff?
< 1328659577 200045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it a more elegant unification of the two.
< 1328659580 391293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows you to be explicit about when effects happen, which is clearly not an implementation detail because it affects the program's behaviour
< 1328659631 258803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just means it conflates effects and evaluation.
< 1328659677 310800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two sets of types, one which conflates them and one of which doesn't
< 1328659679 881732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, not exactly
< 1328659684 351658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's an approximate way to describe it
< 1328659705 651140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I find that ugly.
< 1328659714 162848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that a reasonable point of view
< 1328659772 854806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer languages with nontermination-as-effect; in large part *because* they make evaluation order irrelevant.
< 1328659787 37241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As long as they have proper codata, of course.)
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< 1328659914 915475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Haskell preprocessor program "Hampp" does not support layout mode and that might be why many people hate it.
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< 1328660095 339056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to the other reasons.
< 1328660249 557507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the general kind of fallacy of the "astrological signs fallacy" called?
< 1328660251 112030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more EXCITING questions?? No?
< 1328660261 510538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know.
< 1328660281 319440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forcing people to change their usual haskell style to use it does sound like a major dealbreaker
< 1328660357 940027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I bet YOU have a question.
< 1328660402 11135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, why is wordpress's comment system so sucky
< 1328660403 542766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I do write it mostly for myself and the program is in the public domain anyone can make modifications if wanted. Still, once I finished, I intend to make it available so that anyone can use if they want to do so. Maybe the a few people using nonlayout style might like it, but they might also hate it due to different reasons instead.
< 1328660432 772774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because I don't run it.
< 1328660444 532793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vanishes into the night.

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< 1328660450 854942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what fallacy is that?
< 1328660542 685161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is as follows: If they say the sun sign is Aquarius, and you manage to see the stars (due to eclipse or whatever), you will see that it is a different constellation; therefore, astrology is based on the imaginary sun which is not the real position of the sun.
< 1328660572 171991 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong, as anyone who understands it will understand.
< 1328660652 76041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1328660654 180143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about fallacy?
< 1328660690 45421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's based on imaginary constellations, naturally (or on a purely mathetical division of the ecliptic)
< 1328660777 870368 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not based on constellation at all; but "a purely mathetical division of the ecliptic" is reasonable (you can say it is simply a unit of angular measurement of ecliptic longitude). They are named after constellations, however. Is it any general fallacy based on named after? I don't know everything about fallacy in general?
< 1328660830 261635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know.  i haven't heard about that particular one before, i think.
< 1328660882 521482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem to be it would be an instance of a more general type of fallacy, but I don't know.
< 1328660904 864834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice try, admins-making-their-censorship-invisible  <-- I think perhaps oer "powertrip" jan is maybe not the best person to criticize the Administration.
< 1328660953 879749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then revert the Main Page if you do not like it.
< 1328661207 590844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps Equivocation?
< 1328661303 563592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Equivocation consists in employing the same word in two or more senses..." Yes, perhaps Equivocation.
< 1328661362 600181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymological fallacy too
< 1328661388 350103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1328661490 635113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and maybe False dilemma
< 1328661596 892970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it is like False dilemma?
< 1328661652 360333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a meta-sense of ignoring other possible explanations
< 1328661697 495192 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, like that.
< 1328661702 649825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1328661803 394064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i'm getting a headache from reading through these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
< 1328661816 834326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will, if i don't stop now
< 1328662782 534709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have managed to make up a monad from any contravariant functor; but can it make up a monad transformer from any contravariant functor? Or even a comonad or comonad transformer from any contravariant functor?
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< 1328663116 292898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the present king of France stopped robbing banks?
< 1328663262 92557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why stop?
< 1328663473 329017 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Fermat's Last Theorem provable in Typographical Number Theory?
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< 1328665342 714371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up a Haskell program which compiles and runs but does different things, depending which semicolons are removed? Can you do the similar thing with commas too?
< 1328665421 53195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [id, id, id, id]
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< 1328665437 833267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is a simple example.
< 1328665481 145583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there can be more complicated ways too. With semicolons, or commas, or possibly under punctuations; or a program depending on which extensions are enabled (which I have done once).
< 1328665494 93505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that one
< 1328665654 935357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make up a monad transformer from any contravariant functor?
< 1328665708 722530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall how you made just a monad
< 1328665941 897548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find the file right now; but I might have it on paper somewhere.
< 1328665998 630859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't quite know if it is really a monad but I have seen similarity with thing other people said is monad.
< 1328666022 131468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember the datatype:   newtype T f x = T (f x -> x);  where f is some contravariant functor
< 1328666081 84428 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this help at all?
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< 1328666320 504115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to answer any of my questions based on this type definition?
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< 1328666520 359475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that a monad
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< 1328666607 630710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we try with f x = F (x -> A)
< 1328666623 415822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we get (x -> A) -> x
< 1328666696 45067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = const looks necessary
< 1328666728 449713 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe that (x -> A) -> x has been shown to be a monad I saw the message somewhere (regardless of what A is, although they used Bool)
< 1328666748 846166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes return = const looks necessary I remember that is how I had it too
< 1328666787 622059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have (x -> A) -> x  and x -> (y -> A) -> y
< 1328666830 60282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want (y -> A) -> y  from that
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< 1328667212 369258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Gregor. Gregor must have.
< 1328667227 693786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (xm >>= f) y2a = f (xm x2a) y2a where x2y x = f x y2a; x2a = y2a . x2y in (>>=)
< 1328667228 436541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t b a. ((t -> b) -> t) -> (t -> (a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> a
< 1328667273 184124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has the right type
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< 1328667303 500134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I don't want to ask ##php. This place is marginally better than ##php.
< 1328667311 933836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I bet they'd tell me to go to #debian and vice versa.
< 1328667315 446017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :marginally?
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< 1328667318 455151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1328667330 88365 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there was an update a while ago
< 1328667336 455220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Only marginally.
< 1328667359 73608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to both kick and not kick elliott at the same time
< 1328667390 299621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1328667394 656136 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like Gregor. Gregor must have. // never MySQL, no.
< 1328667401 701879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ask on MySQL instead.
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< 1328667424 414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's good, because my question is why installing php5-mysql and rebooting the server still makes MW think I don't have a MySQL database driver installed, despite installing other PHP extensions working (i.e. reflected in the MW installer).
< 1328667428 539805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sure you know the answer to that!
< 1328667438 989881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even says "If you installed PHP from a Debian or Ubuntu package, then you also need install the php5-mysql module.".
< 1328667446 849537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is only for that specific one I intended in general contravariant functors
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< 1328667466 460118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i tried to wrap my head around it first
< 1328667473 104428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My guess would be that that installs the /module/, but doesn't configure it to use it.
< 1328667484 996731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my brain is up to it at the moment
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< 1328667519 313397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured it out once but I forget now.
< 1328667522 813357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, I thought that too, but it's in conf.d.
< 1328667529 833294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And php.ini contains a bunch of settings for it.
< 1328667530 511384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also unsure, and it isn't a transfomer
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< 1328667569 657532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, everything on the internet suggests installing it should be enough.
< 1328667574 396996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1328667601 723122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume /usr/share/doc/php5-mysql/README.Debian is unhelpful?
< 1328667657 545265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's just generic PHP documentation with no MySQL info.
< 1328667675 998891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's even less helpful than I anticipated ...
< 1328667703 764985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not even a symlink to the php5 README.Debian, either.
< 1328667705 17456 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, unless the issue is just that you need to add extension=mysql.so to your php.ini, Idonno.
< 1328667708 112343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they created it from some template.
< 1328667716 821517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That extension= line is already in the relevant conf.d, yeah :|
< 1328667871 304498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh
< 1328667876 115271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jan 12 15:32 /usr/share/doc/php5-mysql -> php5-common
< 1328667879 318183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real fuckin' helpful, that
< 1328667883 919867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super.
< 1328667892 73950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, make a test.php with 
< 1328667897 483712 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least you can see if it's PHP or MW being stupid.
< 1328667904 410393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For information on using , why not read the documentation for THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE?"
< 1328667963 877271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's a pain, since my nginx doesn't run arbitrary PHP stuff :(
< 1328667967 85945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hijacks... index.php.

< 1328667978 961639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you stop PHP parsing so it ignores all the junk after a line?
< 1328668000 966503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go.
< 1328668035 351491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, it shows MySQL.
< 1328668042 435623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then it must be MW being stupid 8-D
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< 1328668067 96188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reunpacks MW.

< 1328668098 163344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pointless, since it doesn't have write permissions to anywhere anyway.
< 1328668193 696675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f (f x -> x) -> f x -> x) -> f x -> x
< 1328668233 572283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you want to clear all saved data that you have entered and restart the installation process?"
< 1328668236 738419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe this is the problem :P
< 1328668244 872549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.........
< 1328668249 430127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what was the problem >_<
< 1328668274 524396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it caches whether you have the MySQL extension installed, but not the internationalisation module. Awesome.
< 1328668311 834230 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1328668389 486416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your MySQL installation supports InnoDB, it is highly recommended that you choose that instead. If your MySQL installation does not support InnoDB, maybe it's time for an upgrade."
< 1328668396 334736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This installer is talking shit about me, man.
< 1328668440 428891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your MediaWiki installation is written in PHP, it is highly recommended that you choose something else instead. If your MediaWiki installation does not support anything but PHP, maybe it's time for an upgrade."
< 1328668451 268298 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My epic burns, they slice so brutally!
< 1328668949 628450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, going to the main wiki index now produces the super-helpful error message "File not found."
< 1328668964 611686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Gregor.
< 1328669069 394339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous tree-valued logic
< 1328669069 484260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1328669069 484431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three
< 1328669073 161007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps tree-valued would be more interesting.
< 1328669181 751058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't MediaWiki always written in PHP?
< 1328669220 469616 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fix something and it'll be "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity"
< 1328669281 658863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that would be the type for join, for a contravariant functor f. I think I made something once with that type. But is it correct? Can a transformer somehow be made from it? And so on?
< 1328669530 756776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x -> m x  or f (m x) -> m x would be the candidates, i guess
< 1328669565 298027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So have you ever done nginx and PHP and FastCGI? :P
< 1328669592 799896 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That would be the joke.
< 1328669760 517666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I thought of both of those things, but am unsure if that is the only choice or if any of those work
< 1328669774 978976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not gotten them to work)
< 1328669790 1728 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that might be simply because I did not try hard enough)
< 1328669839 880966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (m x) -> x  might be possible too, but not possible to use from an arbitrary m i think
< 1328669930 672721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe if x = m y
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< 1328670598 242561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, freefall, breaking your leg is _not_ an acceptable way of prolonging a cliffhanger.
< 1328670656 960939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1328670658 482684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: you don't want to visit the frontpage if you don't like spoilers)
< 1328670761 394887 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree-valued logic.
< 1328670771 15994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd better be a page on esolangs.org when I come back tomorrow.
< 1328670779 568363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by me
< 1328671757 730778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Blah
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< 1328671955 684730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FIXED IT
< 1328671956 145048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1328672285 323190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you make the esolang for Tree-valued logic.
< 1328672388 230335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Cabal category does my program Hampp (Haskell macro preprocessor) should belong to?
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< 1328673121 771010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tables containing user-related data are no longer being dumped, so this should be a solved problem. --Graue 20:17, 1 Jul 2005 (GMT)
< 1328673128 804986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Gregor.
< 1328673136 366810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is now my outlet for all woes related to this endeavour.)
< 1328673331 96280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah OK I'll get back to work.
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< 1328673834 43372 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the answer?
< 1328674452 655320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just selected 18) Other (specify) and entered "Preprocessor" as the package category
< 1328674483 193766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there are no other packages having that category
< 1328674626 785789 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update?
< 1328674781 296310 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uploads a new version of kallisti.

< 1328675187 586633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: coincidentally, this comment in a mathoverflow discussion linked today from the haskell subreddit speaks about whether FLT can be proved in weak arithmetic (it's still not concluded) http://mathoverflow.net/questions/35746/inaccessible-cardinals-and-andrew-wiless-proof/73197#73197
< 1328675263 981517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: someone is trying to prove that it can be done
< 1328675344 696770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat may have had a proof in mind, but this is also unknown. All that is known is that it does not fit in the margin.
< 1328675959 470282 :_net_split!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared|Away
< 1328676264 905628 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides VMware's proprietary ESXi, are there operating systems primarily designed for virtualizing other OSes?
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< 1328677072 142237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do dependent sum types model existential quantification?
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< 1328678912 547309 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! You're so lucky!
< 1328678923 379899 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to bother you about something you know nothing about.
< 1328678940 737472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how zen
< 1328678953 485794 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't push your luck or it'll be you next.
< 1328678966 775926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm good at knowing nothing
< 1328679044 492916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION signs elliott up for Cat Facts

< 1328679114 972733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat cacts
< 1328679121 660000 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor isn't even here. Useless.
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< 1328679376 71771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add additional package categories for my package, orhter than just "Preprocessor"?
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< 1328680544 620245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the proper package file?    http://sprunge.us/haMR
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ACTION vaguely wonders if Conservapedia has an article on Alan Turing

< 1328686822 238003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1328686917 271345 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It talks about what you'd expect it to talk about, but doesn't put it in any particular light
< 1328686936 466836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "Turing also became an atheist after his friend Christopher Morcom died [1]." is somewhat random
< 1328686957 355373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no "God decided he had to die for being gay"ness? 
< 1328687055 291046 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no
< 1328687055 556032 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Alan_Turing
< 1328687067 390186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories: Mathematicians | Atheists
< 1328687104 846991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Conservapedians are convinced atheism is the ultimate sin.
< 1328687141 748213 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the article doesn't do anything that seems to try to portray him in a negative light.
< 1328687149 127630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, as far as I can tell.
< 1328687159 866584 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So throwing that in there doesn't seem helpful to that .. ideology
< 1328687166 645158 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Alan_Turing
< 1328687182 872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" All politics aside, any biographical entry on Alan Turing which doesn't mention his sexual orientation at all is woefully incomplete. Deliberately avoiding the subject for fear of endorsing it serves no purpose except to give readers the impression that Conservapedia is a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool."
< 1328687185 27123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely neutral of them, I guess? I mean, these are the guys with an anti-relativity rant.
< 1328687215 984820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not moral relativity, *Einsteinian* relativity)
< 1328687276 958003 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, Einsteinian relativity leads to moral relativity! (Isn't that actually part of their ... thinking about it?)
< 1328687385 768975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1328687391 480088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a strawman.
< 1328687399 117716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I wish it were.
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< 1328688633 730316 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders why there would be a discussion on the intellectual neutrality of editors on Conservapedia

< 1328690119 600301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....where what?
< 1328690128 962006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1328690226 806991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the reason that it hasn't been butchered is that
< 1328690237 879684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the computer scientists actually know who Alan Turing is.
< 1328690243 700650 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no one else has touched it. :>
< 1328690306 21154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I guess mathematicians.
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< 1328713925 186294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : " All politics aside, any biographical entry on Alan Turing which doesn't mention his sexual orientation at all is woefully incomplete. Deliberately avoiding the subject for fear of endorsing it serves no purpose except to give readers the impression that Conservapedia is a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool."
< 1328713945 87209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that even Conservapedia's /supporters/ recognize it as a wiki which puts ideology ahead of being an informative reference tool ...
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< 1328717751 912738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda  "In the C# programming language a lambda expression is an anonymous function that can contain expressions and statements."
< 1328717757 137828 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THIS IS SOMEHOW NOTEWORTHY!
< 1328718008 346116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah whoah whoah.
< 1328718011 966902 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions AND statements???
< 1328718025 230976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the person who designed it doesn't have a Turing award?
< 1328718097 986373 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: inorite
< 1328718102 848935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only one mentioned on the page
< 1328718105 632710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's gotta be special
< 1328718125 263292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it mentions Lisp and Python have lambda keywords (ha ha keywords in Lisp)
< 1328718136 795262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the lambda calculus article: "The lambda calculus (or calculi, as variants exist, such as typed and untyped) is an advanced topic within both the fields of theoretical mathematics and of applied computer science; and, as such, lambda calculus involves technically sophisticated concepts such as bindings and substitutions."
< 1328718142 875005 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sophsticated.
< 1328718235 227721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1328718312 137859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied computer science eh?
< 1328718347 69035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches for "need lambda calculus experts" on all of the freelancing job sites.

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< 1328719657 702707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328719767 498865 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Gunnerkrigg Court
< 1328719883 267253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that you're the only one who read Gunnerkrigg Court, right?
< 1328719883 868004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1328719889 935028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1328719892 347520 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny that
< 1328719897 805160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny that notion profusely
< 1328719919 552263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here, at least.
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< 1328720229 572866 :PiRSquared|Away!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared
< 1328720427 411542 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i wonder what happened to nihilist dandy
< 1328720454 551605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I convinced myself that I was a figment of elliott's imagination
< 1328720461 536107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure how I managed that.
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< 1328721891 206032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I read it too.
< 1328721893 875992 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb
< 1328721934 156427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out why the IOCCC had a category "Best non-chess game" in spite of having no chess game.
< 1328721940 902252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner in that category has won twice with chess :)
< 1328721959 141025 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1328721977 646694 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gregor
< 1328721985 720215 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was the competition
< 1328721995 713578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1328722006 996870 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it wasn't one of those things where you win because the only other contestant was a 12 year old kid from kentucky
< 1328722009 98608 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to answer that question, I just submitted something then eventually got an email saying I'd won.
< 1328722014 728381 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1328722021 986600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all behind closed doors.
< 1328722022 826784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But was it INTENSE.
< 1328722023 233044 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they post anything about the other contestants?
< 1328722030 966008 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i do think so as well
< 1328722035 961424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Yeah. About half are repeat winners.
< 1328722039 251214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioccc.org/2011/whowon.html
< 1328722053 347101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, not half, only about four actually.
< 1328722061 995402 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a "yeah" to what?
< 1328722067 836708 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1328722070 445435 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1328722074 666926 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i get it now
< 1328722078 338022 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean the other winners
< 1328722083 486204 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant other contestants that didn't win
< 1328722099 575363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, by tradition they don't say how many or what other entries there were.
< 1328722105 26549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since being on the page is the prize.
< 1328722111 148591 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.. kind of weird and silly
< 1328722112 924285 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like it
< 1328722363 393140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In sorta-related news, the robotfindskitten.org guy, after two years of silence, newsposted that there's 8 new ports and that he'll post them over "the next several days"; then he posted four in six days, but after the fourth there's been no news in a week. Will be interesting to see if there's another two-year gap.
< 1328722386 80957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's some sort of a graduate student, and those are notoriously unreliable, so...
< 1328722402 683036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup.
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< 1328723538 132422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wtfs at cybertown.com

< 1328723583 772495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wtfs at Sgeo visiting cybertown.com

< 1328723613 931111 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is me visiting what was once one of my favorite places the least bit wtf-worthy?
< 1328724196 570565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just WEIRD, man. WEIRD. Now I'm going back to watching my marathon of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and recordings of accordion virtuosos.
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< 1328728622 8927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I watching fencing...
< 1328728726 732625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fencing the sport, or fencing the border-defining erection?
< 1328728770 402086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-86-228.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course mean "erection" completely innocently.
< 1328728859 53847 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fencing as in selling stolen goods?
< 1328729017 791231 :_net_split!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :AnnoyingEvent
< 1328729126 313102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've never actually heard of that meaning of the word
< 1328729128 949267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the sport.
< 1328729191 674214 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
< 1328729247 619750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken like a former fence.
< 1328729333 496211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've never even heard of the word, and anyway I was completely elsewhere that night, and what pillowcases full of antiques?"
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< 1328736436 719245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today I convinced myself that I was a figment of elliott's imagination
< 1328736457 198243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about to become a solipsist missionary, i take
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< 1328737200 409113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must've missed that discussion about #esoteric being oerjan's afterlife
< 1328737296 257365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that discussion was just a figment of my imagination anyway
< 1328737755 459687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1328737766 285766 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328737779 938623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is a figment of the imagination of a figment of your imagination
< 1328738374 229120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well elliott seems no longer to be a figment.
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< 1328739527 949470 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congrats on winning in the least interesting category in ioccc
< 1328739612 371974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's a surprisingly interesting category
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< 1328742390 701965 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good'n
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< 1328743330 74596 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg u suck
< 1328743341 567683 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: obviously gregor's category was the GREATEST
< 1328743351 926784 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop LYING
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< 1328743613 926002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: congrats on winning in the least interesting category in ioccc |||  oklopol: obviously gregor's category was the GREATEST
< 1328743617 78021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with both accounts.
< 1328743630 244428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why it's such a great category is it's obviously a terrible category that makes no sense.
< 1328743646 409779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's SUCH a stupid category that there must be a reason why they would include it!
< 1328743714 260768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ask them to introduce that category?
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< 1328743834 944562 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-056-150.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's my submission, please introduce the category so that i can win as the only contestant"
< 1328743899 885740 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they clearly invented the category so I could win it.
< 1328743914 976843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's how the whole category system works for IOCCC.
< 1328743958 947005 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like starting a war to win the nobel peace prize
< 1328743959 627984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1328743978 301690 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not called for.. i haven't done my research there
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< 1328744410 343275 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jumping the gun a bit.. doesn't seem to be the case
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< 1328744582 962692 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, when you see more details on my code later this month or next month, you'll understand :)
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< 1328748679 168753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Icosahedral RPG default campaign setting, NPC alignment bias is not used except for Strong biases for creatures native to outer planes which are correspondingly aligned (angels and so on).
< 1328748826 727193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a D&D 3.5e campaign setting with various changes, including different planes, a few different rules, and it too lacks alignment bias.
< 1328749717 740576 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: Actually, more like starting a war to win the Nobel War Prize.
< 1328749719 543925 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1328750479 958782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1328750947 603545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that Blu-Ray movies often include video files which are partially corrupted and a BD+ code to decrypt them? I never intend to buy a Blu-Ray player or any Blu-Ray disc, but I do have another question. Is there anywhere someone can download a file which is the XOR mask of the corrupted file and the correct data?
< 1328750988 517168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is such a service. However, I do believe the BD+ VM is somewhat reverse-engineered.
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< 1328751118 751421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know it is somewhat reverse-engineered. But BD+, as well as the large number of other complicated features of Blu-Ray, do various things, including Java and many other things designed in completely crazy ways. They still keep changing the programs and the player itself (BD+ has the ability to run native code) which makes it difficult.
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< 1328751216 649996 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire spec is utterly insane.
< 1328751217 718816 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just the DRM bits.
< 1328751217 772311 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone been able to write their own BD+ codes that will run native codes on a Blu-Ray player? Perhaps someone make a disc that replaces the entire player with an open-source one and then disables ability of BD+ to run native codes.......
< 1328751234 264073 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know. It is not only the DRM that is insane it is everything.
< 1328751259 119754 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good thing is, you get high quality video on it. The bad thing is, holy *crap* they overkilled everything.
< 1328751273 37595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 *megabits* per second h.264?
< 1328751303 669645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing it says is that replicated (although not recorded) discs are *required* to include DRM software on them even if you are not going to use them, and therefore you must pay a license fee to include such softwares even if they will never be used.
< 1328751305 31732 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good 10 times higher than would be necessary.
< 1328751335 980706 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, zzo38: though Bluray discs are required to include DRM, in practice all Bluray players will play discs without DRM.
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< 1328751406 576604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, most Bluray players will accept AVCHD (which is a format based on Bluray, with a lot of crap removed.)
< 1328751410 608028 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They probably will, but still, it means someone who wants to make a disc without DRM needs to make a recorded disc rather than a replicated disc, and recorded discs do not last as long
< 1328751439 502271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AVCHD, incidentally, has no DRM in the spec.)
< 1328751461 145781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it have patent restrictions?
< 1328751470 229123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses h.264, so yes.
< 1328751497 507770 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has patent restrictions *beyond* h.264 and AC-3, though.
< 1328751518 255126 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AC-3 should be out of patent in a year or so.
< 1328751624 952593 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, still. Well, there is HD-DVD, which is not used much but lacks replication restrictions. Apparently Chinese Blu-Ray is not actually Blu-Ray but uses HD-DVD as its physical media format.
< 1328751666 507051 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chinese Blu-Ray"?
< 1328751682 419407 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'mean CBHD?
< 1328751702 996538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1328751785 644217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still there are various other formats, such as Lib-Ray. I don't really like Lib-Ray much either. I did try making up my own format, which uses Ogg-based formats for most things, and uses a relatively simple virtual machine (it only has a few instructions and a few registers, and the specification requires that the player allows the user to disable it). No physical media is specified.
< 1328751842 310354 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the sanest format anymore would be just WebM with a few extra features.
< 1328751859 422684 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sure, h.264 is *better*, but if patents are among your considerations, VP8 is your best choice of codec.)
< 1328751964 454847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theora is terribad.
< 1328752071 762228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theora has been improving over time, and there is Dirac as well.
< 1328752131 216267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is still possible to have a few video and audio formats to choose from, I suppose.
< 1328752473 308639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theora's still quite bad; the bitstream limits it to being, at best, about as good as MPEG-4.
< 1328752492 392539 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, yes, it's at least stopped being a laughable example of that class of codecs.
< 1328752603 64775 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_, was an update a bit ago
< 1328753310 652071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some Haskell package for dependent sum, and are there any more complicated examples than the one they give, possibly including ones with datatype families?
< 1328753572 355308 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or with more complicated GADTs?
< 1328753735 374971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is defined as    data DSum tag = forall a. !(tag a) :=> a
< 1328753784 549396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in addition to the Tag GADT example, the tag could be any functor or contravariant functor or whatever else of kind (* -> *) that fits.
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< 1328755888 720827 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you make it sound almost like payment for use of blu ray is done more to have a codec chosen than to have a good codec chosen
< 1328755956 443007 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like paying to have images stored in .bmp when it would be possible to store them in .png
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< 1328756971 796411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is dependent sum type but another idea would be to have a constrainted dependent sum type:   data CDSum con tag = forall a. con a => !(tag a) :+> a;
< 1328757020 387385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is useful because there might be other ways to do it.
< 1328757106 953203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm if you are using constraint kinds, wouldn't data CDSum con = forall a. con a => CDSum a   work more simply?
< 1328757163 70705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine the whole ! and :+> business might be for managing it without constraint kinds
< 1328757174 977066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose it can but there is no tag
< 1328757239 977953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1328757356 959066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in the (non-constrained) DSum, the tag does not necessarily have to be a GADT listing the possible types; it can also be a functor, a contrafunctor, or a datatype family. Although I suppose it could also be a GADT where its constructors have constraints.
< 1328757474 648002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: That is actually a significant factor.
< 1328757522 44201 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: The committee members have chosen codecs that they own patents on.
< 1328757539 352129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: Though, h.264 is *also* the highest quality video encoding standard in existence right now.
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< 1328758455 426513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, deep top posting threads, my ocpd and my rsi don't go well together :(
< 1328758502 148293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i keep pressing pgdn through it all just to check that there's no internal response breaks)
< 1328758655 413005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feature suggestion idea for PuTTY or other terminal emulators, would be: If SCROLL LOCK is activated, then do two things: * It stops automatically setting the scroll position, so it can only be manually scrolled. * Now the up/down/pageup/pagedown/home/end keys to scroll the window instead of send to the program it is connected to
< 1328758742 322297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this be a useful feature to you?
< 1328758751 455753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, to me, it would be useful.
< 1328758768 235667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw you can scroll the window by holding down shift while using pgup pgdn
< 1328758835 505130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, now I realized that works. But it still doesn't home/end/up/down keys, and has no quick way to disable automatic scrolling (you can change the option, but that is not the quick way)
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< 1328759429 814054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I write under the Description field of my Hampp package? I am not very good to know what to write there
< 1328759467 233823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't want changelogs, todo, features, so I commented those out but kept them in the .cabal file so that they can still be viewed without downloading the entire package
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< 1328762265 7963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make a Haskell program for extensible product type, using type families, so that you can add additional fields. But I cannot seem to make a function to update a value of a field.
< 1328762446 581518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it could be done if the DefaultInstances extension I proposed was implemented.
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< 1328763335 829536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not quite.
< 1328765432 370053 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I managed to do it, but it required unsafeCoerce to make it work.
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< 1328766246 144064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the code I used, is it good?
< 1328766253 162374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bool :: x -> x -> Bool -> x; bool x _ False = x; bool _ x True = x;
< 1328766259 729298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedEq :: (Typeable x, Eq x, Typeable y, Eq y) => x -> y -> Bool; typedEq x y = typeOf x == typeOf y && unsafeCoerce x == y;
< 1328766270 461637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype ExtProd p = ExtProd { getExtProd :: forall a. ExtProdC p a => a -> ExtProdF a };
< 1328766295 3955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq a, Typeable a) => ExtProdC p a | a -> p where { type ExtProdF a :: *; defaultValue :: a -> ExtProdF a; putExtProd :: a -> ExtProdF a -> ExtProd p -> ExtProd p; putExtProd f v (ExtProd r) = ExtProd $ \x -> bool (r x) (unsafeCoerce v) (typedEq f x); };
< 1328766326 296919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work OK.
< 1328766692 8530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how many memory leaks it will cause.
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< 1328767055 951336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a newtype wrapper around (Map TypeRep Any) is another way? But my computer doesn't have a Ord instance for TypeRep?
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< 1328776623 297050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does people in this channel know answer to my questions related to Haskell even though people in other channel don't know?
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< 1328803025 361485 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@149.254.186.88 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something really needs to be done about the spambots
< 1328803572 411879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1328803991 70602 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@149.254.186.88 QUIT :
< 1328804542 988156 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1328804913 614634 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328805078 529064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328805591 347571 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover
< 1328805607 239813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fastest ... bot ... ever.
< 1328805615 83803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist.
< 1328805640 715493 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: worst bot designer.
< 1328805651 224150 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IOCCC WINNER IN THIS CHANNEL
< 1328805660 574040 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh looka how I turned that around.
< 1328805662 810266 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swoosh*
< 1328805672 30264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what wow
< 1328805682 209714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know TWO celebrities now!
< 1328805709 33070 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad to fulfill your tragically flawed definition of "celebrity"
< 1328805758 458347 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one is a girl who was in a picture that ended up on the front page of /r/funny. I was exceptionally upset.
< 1328805778 474517 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're doing quite well, by comparison,.
< 1328806475 604935 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1328806728 257521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328807070 537178 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328807356 696688 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1328807589 295424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1328807617 789355 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: don't forget ais523's game changer.
< 1328808536 128544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the most unintentionally funny Northumbrian former member of Youth Parliament
< 1328808762 59729 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328808904 744863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328809151 550249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6/7 * 265.2125
< 1328809152 353248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  227.32499999999996
< 1328809155 884697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6/7 * 365.2125
< 1328809156 787764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  313.03928571428565
< 1328809177 180982 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2175 - 88
< 1328809178 132975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2087
< 1328809181 187514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are tyou trying to calculate?
< 1328809186 325940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2087 / 313
< 1328809187 162956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6.667731629392971
< 1328809199 803559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many years until the IWC rerun gets to the boring but
< 1328809202 613847 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bit
< 1328809214 519657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, now I need to go for dinner
< 1328809217 528433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1328810310 124082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written here, I have, RIAA sues an attorney for successfully defending a woman they sued.
< 1328810783 703074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328810804 811653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328810856 257022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Written here, I have, RIAA sues an attorney for successfully defending a woman they sued. <--- what!?
< 1328810900 328863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that doesn't make sense
< 1328811005 625970 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the subject of the post, rather than its grammar
< 1328811275 473931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was zzo
< 1328811285 585486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: link?
< 1328811287 116584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good
< 1328811679 473695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328812070 160316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have no link, I just found it in the FORTUNE file printout
< 1328812102 66443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1328812685 617295 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/riaa-decries-at/
< 1328813477 737661 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328813923 715223 :vrais_bako!~vrais_bak@196.200.88.21 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328814035 577103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ vrais_bako ? welcome
< 1328814039 230671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrais_bako: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1328814094 271946 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you're a longtime idler whose name I don't recognize X-D )
< 1328814861 966615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you actually recognize all the other 56 names here? 
< 1328814898 110182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't recall half of them. For example this "Gregor" guy, don't recall seeing that sort of name ever. What a silly name. Greeee-gor.
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< 1328814933 767159 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Flim
< 1328814978 240879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1328814978 945540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1328814992 909380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god
< 1328815019 398287 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's why you have to be optimistic. Over-welcoming is better than under-welcoming.
< 1328815029 177303 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS I had to /nickserv ghost Flim X-D
< 1328815036 226182 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, apologies to whoever was on as MY ponynick.
< 1328815452 54256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And...
< 1328815452 868323 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328815462 908009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still exactly the same!
< 1328815475 207126 :vrais_bako!~vrais_bak@196.200.88.21 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1328815671 583615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't worked out the problem yet..
< 1328815875 348770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1328815908 917620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because the code to identify the nick is working, I don't want to share the source
< 1328816131 90564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I was going to say "just redact the password", but I guess that's nontrivial in Piet
< 1328816131 751710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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< 1328816246 662882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1328816247 329778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1328816256 893398 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get so nervouse
< 1328816651 852839 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................
< 1328816684 263382 :Flim!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, Flim is seriously worst pony.
< 1328816685 829400 :Flim!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
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< 1328817834 763544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-232.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1328818223 113202 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chef isn't very good for writing IRC bots
< 1328818396 462709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is Cher.
< 1328818495 247184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haifu seems to be
< 1328819288 582505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328819324 587227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb's rating for the usefulness of esolangs:
< 1328819343 884966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must have the ability to input and output characters interactively
< 1328819379 695080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other stuff, too
< 1328819523 649118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328819986 177665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does people in this channel know answer to my questions related to Haskell even though people in other channel don't know? <-- sadly i think elliott was the one who knew the corners of haskell best
< 1328820018 997358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const 'x' (const 'x')
< 1328820020 143750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'x'
< 1328820025 316989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know basic haskell and have a vague idea of many extensions, but i've never experimented much with them in practice
< 1328820026 220568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join id (const 'x')
< 1328820027 609838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: m = (->) (m a)
< 1328820040 457012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap id id (const 'x')
< 1328820041 871997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> b
< 1328820063 835233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id doesn't type, because id id needs the two id's to have different types
< 1328820071 95955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1328820076 892129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had many questions involving extensible product types too
< 1328820090 234242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, s/id/x/ in all but the first one
< 1328820141 974958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the only part of Haskell preventing MIBBLLII from compiling into it
< 1328820150 312194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivially
< 1328820152 298744 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one but it might be inefficient. I entered    let z = iterate (putExtProd Field3 "Who?") x !! 1000000   and then   getExtProd z Field3   was slightly slow the first time and then faster, but then I typed    getExtProd z Field1   and it just seem to run forever and never stop.
< 1328820168 639324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's a trick with recursive types to get things that are effectively infinite types
< 1328820218 177343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, go on...
< 1328820221 870662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLIGHTEN
< 1328820243 216116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: newtype SelfApply b = SelfApply (SelfApply b -> b)
< 1328820245 421674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I can't remember what it is
< 1328820251 140431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was hoping someone else would fill it in
< 1328820271 102522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, I want to be able to say:
< 1328820272 170840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of other ways including hash tables but that requires IO
< 1328820294 892212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly newtype SelfApply = SelfApply (SelfApply -> SelfApply)
< 1328820296 144211 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fmap (+1) 0
< 1328820297 446117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1328820311 445730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fmap . join fmap $ (+1) 0
< 1328820312 810800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1328820312 981896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1328820322 48607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (join fmap . join fmap) (+1) 0
< 1328820324 131524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1328820355 158774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sadly whenever you want a function type to be able to use itself as argument or result, you need a newtype or data wrapper
< 1328820364 883506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (join (flip id) (join fmap)) (+1) 0
< 1328820366 291896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
< 1328820366 453440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   a = a -> t -> t1 -> t2
< 1328820371 652218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip id
< 1328820373 14434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> (a -> b) -> b
< 1328820381 268954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join (flip id)
< 1328820382 530037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> a1
< 1328820382 814990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: (a -> a1) -> (a -> a1) -> a1
< 1328820382 868106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Inferred type: a -> (a -> a1) -> a1
< 1328820396 791075 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip id (join fmap) (join fmap)) (+1) 0
< 1328820397 835128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `)'
< 1328820406 681958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip id (join fmap) (join fmap)) (+1) 0
< 1328820408 630015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1328820421 234257 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip id (join fmap) (ap fmap (join fmap))) (+1) 0
< 1328820423 150372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8
< 1328820432 30691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip id (ap fmap (join fmap)) (ap fmap (join fmap))) (+1) 0
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< 1328820448 128588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip id (ap fmap (join fmap)) (ap fmap (ap fmap (join fmap)))) (+1) 0
< 1328820450 1468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  81
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< 1328820564 720788 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip id (ap fmap (ap fmap (join fmap))) (ap fmap (ap fmap (join fmap)))) (+1) 0
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< 1328820631 76124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i read (but don't post) at the haskell-cafe mailing list, you might have better luck with such questions there; also stackexchange/stackoverflow are places to ask questions (and elliott is there a lot still, too)
< 1328820647 89909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite clear on the difference between them, though
< 1328820776 758810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange is the overarching metasite for Stack Overflow, Super User, Server Fault, and 79 other such sites.
< 1328820780 86716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think on stackexchange/stackoverflow one is supposed to check if someone has asked similar questions before.
< 1328820829 672380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, my impression was stackexchange was the more introduction level part, while stackoverflow is for research level stuff
< 1328820838 867005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do functional languages other than Haskell and Lazy K do IO?
< 1328820851 689204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just the math part that works that way
< 1328820854 389066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stack Exchange is a fast-growing network of 82 question and answer sites -- In 2008, Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky created a site called Stack Overflow and brought together millions of computer programmers from around the world to help each other with detailed technical questions. That site was a phenomenal success, so, after securing a $6 million investment from Union Square Ventures, they created the Stack Exchange Network and started launching ...
< 1328820860 704230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... new sites in August of 2010."
< 1328820875 181006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you could do something with it, this is it:  http://sprunge.us/HBYJ   Would you know how to make it efficient?
< 1328820925 758051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well Clean uses uniqueness types and passing an explicit real world token.  impure functional languages just do it with imperative functions.
< 1328820971 264478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercury (combined pure functional/logical) also uses a real world token, iirc
< 1328821057 280817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercury also uses a Prolog convention for passing them implicitly, which seems a little like a State monad but i'm not sure if it is (Mercury being based on relations, not functions, so the basic category for the monads would be different)
< 1328821133 66227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: definite clause grammars, the convention is called, and i think it was invented for parsing, as the name suggests
< 1328821148 280132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also works to do Mercury's IO
< 1328821156 544041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know if there is some ways to do what I am trying to do?
< 1328821201 119904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i half-expect that if it is possible, oleg kiselyov must have done it :P
< 1328821210 79591 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gives me an idea for an esolang
< 1328821218 89575 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An imperative language with functional IO
< 1328821229 825420 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Who are they and where is the such file?
< 1328821263 388714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand from the file I have pasted?
< 1328821263 971519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his site is http://okmij.org/ftp/
< 1328821359 78139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: among other things, he invented iteratees
< 1328821369 640902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: using each paradigm for something it's bad at?
< 1328821605 150953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, PRECISELY
< 1328821681 918409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/generics.html#PolyVariant seems sort of dual, being about extensible coproducts
< 1328821722 643936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably to extensible sums easier and more efficient way I think I have ideas about it
< 1328821738 971773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am trying extensible products at this time
< 1328821784 8495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the thing about imperative IO is that IO can be anywhere
< 1328821812 965622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas in functional programming languages, IO has to be in a certain place or god knows what'll happen
< 1328821908 988702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional program languages' functions are the main kaboodle
< 1328821917 939871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is in little functions
< 1328821930 540629 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas imperative programming languages use a lot more statements
< 1328822307 879210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's imperative to make a statement
< 1328822430 564796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: I was going to say "just redact the password", but I guess that's nontrivial in Piet
< 1328822475 746347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the piet written by hand, or autogenerated from something else?
< 1328822501 171272 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, 'm afraid
< 1328822506 772692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by hand, maybe it would be possible to put the password in some recognizable region
< 1328822524 607918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually know how piet works

< 1328822687 799069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I look at that file; that is not quite right at all; you have to tell the previous label to make up a new one, and you have to explicitly define the extensions of existing functions, and so on. I did think of other way of extensible sums, in a way related to dependent sums and to type families.
< 1328822704 310718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways, that is only extensible sums, not extensible products.
< 1328822719 146716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1328822746 933555 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328822755 11640 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One last test
< 1328822760 359461 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328822768 142899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1328822795 665513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAAAAH
< 1328822801 282497 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328823044 714160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WMEO
< 1328823053 347898 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the piet assembler source
< 1328823131 348995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the password cunningly hidden
< 1328823337 633334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothycat.net/wiki/wiki.pl?MoonShadow/Piet
< 1328823346 501821 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the documentation for the piet assembler
< 1328823420 799580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of a kind of extensible product types with (Map TypeRep) but the Data.Typeable differs with old version and with new version, so it won't work
< 1328823584 677163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone gonna take a look/
< 1328823587 159073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone gonna take a look?
< 1328823614 759750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm converting from pnm to ppm using Gimp, then running with npiet
< 1328823822 171765 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb
< 1328823825 547292 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not actually Ngevd, no matter what you may have heard.
< 1328823899 385600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd
< 1328823902 874709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@+挞j.k�%�B�Z.�.��j�'!��g�(D(N.n��F���თ.���2s�.J}>�G.�.�Yg΀L���ag)�T�+��.���o�.�.�D.'v-� \ .��m8�=�@+8�w���7R��q�vI׭9,���E�k�Oi�..�jrt�1�9.K-����.�bT�.R_.���E.��`�.�.��:..O
< 1328824057 723237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy
< 1328824061 500292 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details.
< 1328824068 831428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21
< 1328824072 743973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee.
< 1328824078 74231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee
< 1328824083 95921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328824099 476657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? instant_coffee
< 1328824103 330800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant_coffee? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328824141 418439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants.
< 1328824144 951944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1328824149 110331 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee
< 1328824152 791351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants.
< 1328824169 680233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not as funny delibrately as I can be accidentally
< 1328824195 592858 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hj
< 1328824205 466307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hj
< 1328824208 840631 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hj? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328824794 952305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi
< 1328824798 534765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328824831 112093 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328825014 294508 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ../../../../../../../bin/bash
< 1328825017 693299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF...
< 1328825259 978724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy.
< 1328825440 193738 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /bin/bash
< 1328825443 45714 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bash? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328825459 701379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appens it to the existing path.
< 1328825469 967676 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's ....../wisdom//bin/bash
< 1328825658 199230 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328825770 959126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1328825774 379380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1328825783 200260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ../bin/bash
< 1328825786 894716 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​../bin/bash? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328825799 401853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /wisdom
< 1328825803 351535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /wisdom: No such file or directory
< 1328825807 944441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom
< 1328825811 446012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ esoteric \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lens \ lifthrasiir \ mad \ misspellings of croissant \ monad \ monads \ monoid \ monqy \ ngevd \ nooga \ oerjan
< 1328825821 137267 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? everyone
< 1328825824 716296 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lens
< 1328825824 887943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in here is mad.
< 1328825826 636533 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? functor
< 1328825828 242143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lens is a monoidal natural transformation between higher-order coalgebra functors
< 1328825831 646544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee
< 1328825835 441491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? c
< 1328825835 798508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants.
< 1328825837 529731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flower
< 1328825841 224456 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
< 1328825842 220958 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :flower. what IS a flower?
< 1328825844 586608 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? glogbot
< 1328825848 242344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is a snitch, don't trust it.
< 1328825858 303733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? functor
< 1328825862 491560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories
< 1328825873 496562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finns
< 1328825877 596016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the category of small categories" lol
< 1328825879 959291 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are helpful, albeit grossly overpopulated (cf. 'Finland').
< 1328825885 533507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland
< 1328825889 542691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
< 1328825891 899333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's so funny?
< 1328825893 963516 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories
< 1328825898 876924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you find the truth funny?
< 1328825905 316260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1328825909 878779 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.  "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.  "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
< 1328825922 13241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1328825925 27188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328825934 138405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1328825938 28485 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation.
< 1328825949 484826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category
< 1328825953 76539 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories.
< 1328825961 58016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ievan
< 1328825965 14068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI
< 1328825966 844484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm someone from the future must have changed that.
< 1328826066 359969 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes I am a firm believer in the existence of evidence of the future.
< 1328826112 489646 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1328826117 686945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would have to become a future agnostic.
< 1328826149 912211 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1328826153 979960 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1328826165 989244 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm
< 1328826170 282994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: missing operand \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
< 1328826172 961843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could find inductive evidence of the future
< 1328826178 648341 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the occurence of the future in the past.
< 1328826184 619861 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls .*
< 1328826206 993824 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch abc
< 1328826209 802330 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1328826216 520525 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls 
< 1328826219 841363 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1328826228 810623 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm abc
< 1328826232 303204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1328826237 632683 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does respond to PM ... )
< 1328826243 321429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access .*: No such file or directory
< 1328826253 975842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, obviously.
< 1328826260 478676 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing I wouldn't want to do rm -rf / 
< 1328826261 342645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari just send plenty of PRIVMSGs
< 1328826263 2246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sent
< 1328826263 488278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ah but "I would have to become" assumes the future exists, you see!
< 1328826275 574937 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /
< 1328826279 801635 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
< 1328826283 899527 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff
< 1328826284 956623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /*
< 1328826287 829119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/bin/bash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/rbash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/sh': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/ln': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/uname': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/stty': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/cat': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/touch': Read-only
< 1328826294 956117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked well.
< 1328826303 97300 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1328826307 394976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1328826339 277098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find / -delete
< 1328826342 506147 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls main
< 1328826342 841115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: cannot delete `/sys/fs': Permission denied \ find: cannot delete `/sys/devices/platform/uevent': Permission denied \ find: cannot delete `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/uevent': Permission denied \ find: cannot delete `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/modalias': Permission denied \ find: cannot delete `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/subsystem': Permission denied \ find: cannot delete `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/driver':
< 1328826346 402836 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :main
< 1328826347 161819 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1328826352 349621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ main \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1328826358 488981 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm main
< 1328826363 117538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1328826383 321813 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was main?
< 1328826388 607073 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno
< 1328826395 966585 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably bullshit.
< 1328826400 538630 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it was.. it's gone now
< 1328826423 678889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of indexed monads and indexed comonads; are categories like indexed monoids?
< 1328826444 619589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds about right
< 1328826453 955047 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: congrats on your ioccc win.. do you have the source posted somewhere?
< 1328826462 880650 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: They've requested we don't post it 'til they do.
< 1328826480 171107 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok.. I cliked their link and it was showing things from 2006 
< 1328826490 561865 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought well maybe they are never going to post it lol
< 1328826501 855856 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first one they've ran since 2006.
< 1328826690 334737 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course being the ioccc, seeing your source won't help me understand what your program does lol
< 1328826735 151217 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a matter of how much effort you want to spend.
< 1328826750 627829 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1328826788 737964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [80,82,73,86,77,83,71,32,35,101,115,111,116,101,114,105,99,32,58,41]
< 1328826789 617334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "PRIVMSG #esoteric :)"
< 1328826818 909696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328826860 855230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pietbot signal char
< 1328826911 731407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the GHC Any type used to be by itself but now has a kind parameter?
< 1328826919 18899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like fungot's ^ or hackego's ` or egobot's !
< 1328826919 816824 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: s/ or/ 1??? fnord ( car x) ( lambda ( x)
< 1328826926 156954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: and does it get to the point of recognizing the ) ?
< 1328826955 820338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1328826964 83783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328826991 324353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to check
< 1328827019 633992 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328827107 987752 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827109 49825 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328827117 82739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impatience will be my undoing
< 1328827121 719835 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827125 156840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328827141 235919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave it for a minute
< 1328827227 987555 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827296 53531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like nothing
< 1328827298 474689 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328827422 221364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm i don't think this is right:
< 1328827431 293353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 sub bz._track_2 #q for quit
< 1328827431 384291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :br.very_start.pop
< 1328827450 190584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me like the final pop will underflow the stack
< 1328827474 987867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may be right
< 1328827590 815346 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827598 130809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop in 102 sub bz._track_1
< 1328827598 183711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :notdeadfish:
< 1328827598 183812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 sub bz._track_2 #q for quit
< 1328827604 260633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also looks suspicious
< 1328827623 191496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there should be a dup there?
< 1328827630 632199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, notdeadfish: might be entered with either something on the stack or not
< 1328827662 749155 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of a way to read the existing characters off a pseudoterminal?
< 1328827700 234011 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328827771 786938 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827774 400752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328827788 98047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1328827794 977137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My debugging line isn't working
< 1328827816 165496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always a chance the assembler is faulty
< 1328827817 929486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because # comments lines out
< 1328827822 78357 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328827824 93299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for that matter, the piet interpreter
< 1328827866 768171 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328827868 139637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328827923 757735 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328827935 942412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note if you added that dup, you now might want a pop at the beginning of track 1, i think.  although that should just be garbage, not fatal.
< 1328827983 312190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even then )dq will be an alternative quit command
< 1328828003 515792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not getting past the "PRIVMSG #esoteric :)" bit
< 1328828019 489734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, then
< 1328828084 350241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, is the @"\n"
< 1328828084 440610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :line being run?
< 1328828089 55563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1328828094 492456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a privmsg anyhow
< 1328828174 813247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, let's test
< 1328828175 777813 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328828175 830710 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1328828185 892827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the @"\n" is getting run
< 1328828279 383623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More testing
< 1328828285 826602 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328828292 838259 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328828297 364325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error in the test
< 1328828326 944643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the assembler would treat "#" as a character, not a comment marker
< 1328828370 827797 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328828370 880849 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST
< 1328828370 881013 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1328828378 467135 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SPEAKS
< 1328828383 496665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT
< 1328828399 554390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just seeing if I was getting the saying things right
< 1328828527 703603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might want to check if it gets any characters read at all
< 1328828536 958656 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a package with a more portable unsafeCoerce and Any?
< 1328828560 99340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The P is being read
< 1328828593 22359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the R?
< 1328828599 898790 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the R is as well
< 1328828615 158407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PLOT THICKENS
< 1328828644 427161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1328828652 640181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Npiet is being all clever
< 1328828654 374291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sneaky
< 1328828659 725617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a different interpreter
< 1328828662 623489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too sneaky?
< 1328828674 18923 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's prompting a ? for input
< 1328828690 288330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for _character_ input?
< 1328828693 790683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1328828696 208518 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently
< 1328828710 185256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong, but that's what it looks like
< 1328828730 609879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't an option to turn it off?
< 1328828793 173852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha
< 1328828820 165288 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is globbing broken? 
< 1328828855 416421 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin/a*
< 1328828859 475810 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /usr/bin/a*: No such file or directory
< 1328828862 977134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /usr/bin/a*
< 1328828867 121216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/a2p \ /usr/bin/addpart \ /usr/bin/addr2line \ /usr/bin/aot-compile \ /usr/bin/appletviewer \ /usr/bin/apropos \ /usr/bin/apt \ /usr/bin/apt-cache \ /usr/bin/apt-cdrom \ /usr/bin/apt-config \ /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates \ /usr/bin/apt-ftparchive \ /usr/bin/apt-get \ /usr/bin/apt-key \ /usr/bin/apt-mark \ /usr/bin/apt-sortpkgs \ /usr/bin/aptitude \ /usr/bin/aptitude-create-state-bundle \ /usr/bin/aptitude-curses
< 1328828877 976089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S DOCUMENTED
< 1328828888 545072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, should be
< 1328828890 194041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1328828892 750352 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1328828905 247310 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1328828906 653234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that counts as documented.
< 1328828935 215723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil, despicable documentation, but still.
< 1328828975 566523 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apt-get moo
< 1328828979 142424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory) \          (__)  \          (oo)  \    /------\/  \   / |    ||    \  *  /\---/\  \     ~~   ~~    \ ...."Have you mooed today?"...
< 1328828994 733236 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII art is definitely better compressed into one line.
< 1328829000 461902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say.
< 1328829046 956637 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aptitude moo
< 1328829051 585415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no Easter Eggs in this program.
< 1328829079 256250 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ping 8.8.8.8
< 1328829082 680054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1328829088 47451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1328829093 335072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So useful.
< 1328829118 812980 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shutdown -h now
< 1328829122 172899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: shutdown: command not found
< 1328829131 29959 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yeah, I usually run arbitrary commands from random people as root.
< 1328829141 964359 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: great idea!
< 1328829149 245121 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that once 
< 1328829158 817351 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was in a VM where I could reimage 
< 1328829173 610426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 41
< 1328829174 659632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ')'
< 1328829183 612694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 58
< 1328829185 61920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ':'
< 1328829201 218129 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :map ord "PRIVMSG #esoteric :)"
< 1328829203 338912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "PRIVMSG #esoteric :)"
< 1328829204 693989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [80,82,73,86,77,83,71,32,35,101,115,111,116,101,114,105,99,32,58,41]
< 1328829206 815232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i already checked those :P
< 1328829222 776911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first thing i did
< 1328829276 487358 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a
< 1328829280 115107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1328829322 890272 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely getting to the first e in #esoteric
< 1328829336 890211 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.. more up to date than my own
< 1328829351 100460 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1328829354 982252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahah
< 1328829361 78111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
< 1328829364 279147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it :)
< 1328829366 36183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop in dup 99 dup bnz.start_in  # c
< 1328829369 575618 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be:
< 1328829373 865009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop in dup 99 sub bnz.start_in  # c
< 1328829414 714882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh :D
< 1328829450 542476 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:& };:
< 1328829454 294258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1328829489 450833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought calamari had been here long enough to do all those things before

< 1328829500 296839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not since the new HackEgo 
< 1328829532 753437 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328829536 721096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328829537 25355 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing
< 1328829542 106577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1328829542 642367 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe I have and I just forgot 
< 1328829543 852466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1328829544 261565 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing
< 1328829550 669852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a start
< 1328829556 306898 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(
< 1328829557 178538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to remove that debug line
< 1328829562 288305 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hi
< 1328829562 624231 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing
< 1328829564 267221 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328829583 393685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now on to bigger and fiercer bugs
< 1328829606 240681 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel's parse depth is all effed up now.
< 1328829612 51786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're at like -5
< 1328829619 421317 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse depth?
< 1328829626 851993 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :( vs )
< 1328829629 313438 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) "best bot prefix"
< 1328829683 83330 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328829694 126035 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328829723 271631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 's'
< 1328829724 365907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1328829724 739010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1328829730 812105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 's'
< 1328829732 114329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  115
< 1328829780 467584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ready?
< 1328829785 851892 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328829792 349991 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df iiisso
< 1328829833 947649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was effed up last time someone suggested making a bot interpreting the channel as brainfuck, i think
< 1328829846 926602 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)q
< 1328829868 704713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the deadfish code's messed up a tad
< 1328829871 593596 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328830039 718987 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, either I've messed up or Pietbot has already achieved sentience
< 1328830059 168516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else've messed up
< 1328830062 526748 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The seppuku code isn't working
< 1328830226 39524 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1328830323 305314 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df -h
< 1328830326 696488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
< 1328830335 138321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328830522 810982 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/self/mounts
< 1328830526 108946 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 \ none /bin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/ 0 0 \ none /usr hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/ 0 0 \ none /dev hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/ 0 0 \ none /opt hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/ 0 0 \ none /lib hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/ 0 0 \ none /sbin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/ 0 0 \ none /lib64 hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib64/ 0 0 \ none /hackenv hostfs rw,nosuid,relatime,/tmp/hackenv.0CLmULuwUT/
< 1328830720 734638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um d keeps 0 at 0, not wrapping to 255
< 1328830728 895034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1328830729 768753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1328830731 245414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also s needs a test for 256 as well
< 1328830780 946783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I propose that http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=DF&redirect=no redirects to deadfish rather than DateFuck?
< 1328830840 547321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1328830860 655926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh and 10 sub bz.very_start.in
< 1328830866 91788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't have the .in
< 1328830905 400636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, that should be start_in rather than very_start
< 1328831005 773842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :df_o should use outn rather than out, i think
< 1328831532 257847 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EHMH
< 1328831677 363998 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328831718 277920 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-003-164.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328831745 55782 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328831839 941481 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck,..now i completlely screwed up things.. congratulations hagb4rd
< 1328831856 565208 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn in hell
< 1328831866 70258 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'/
< 1328831870 193068 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-024-063.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1328831896 722588 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that all you worked for stupido? yes you're right
< 1328832069 756472 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a maximum run time limit for hackego?
< 1328832093 132280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably?
< 1328832096 811482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1328832101 163575 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize it's my code, right
< 1328832103 129419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1328832105 969402 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1328832114 859097 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't show the hg URL there.
< 1328832122 458268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot
< 1328832152 190160 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor how 'bout a nocturne..give me a hint
< 1328832178 646206 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that was a bizarre ... question?
< 1328832195 950115 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that a question?
< 1328832203 469535 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope..imperative!
< 1328832210 517294 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now!
< 1328832220 248062 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what a bizarre ... command?
< 1328832226 623200 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_CANNOT_PARSE
< 1328832247 252960 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write one by myself
< 1328832285 112259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz1b8YZj0f4 Here, have a nocturne.
< 1328832292 936496 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1328832406 156755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so does it still not work?
< 1328832445 180105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no
< 1328832471 467558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish doesn't give it back
< 1328832550 624736 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AF54.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328832557 499838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did you solve that ? prompting problem?
< 1328832565 537403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1328832579 618819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran npiet -q instead of npiet
< 1328832704 234680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it get to track 1 at all?
< 1328832734 287642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does print out the deadfish program
< 1328832735 774767 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on
< 1328832756 177079 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328832764 540624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)o
< 1328832773 886192 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1328832778 692834 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df o
< 1328832779 70663 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1328832782 505452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df 0
< 1328832785 161603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh :P
< 1328832793 848934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df io
< 1328832795 306783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the Dwarf Fortress command?
< 1328832818 93750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that I lack the skill to code Dwarf Fortress in Piet
< 1328832818 886674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic, it seems to have trouble continuing?
< 1328832820 948784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df o
< 1328832895 475398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1328832900 412413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@"\n" in br.start_in needs .in
< 1328832900 744713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1328832901 848721 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-81-92.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328832966 283661 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't; the "in"'s right there
< 1328832975 801252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops
< 1328833038 109327 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1328833061 943880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can you test )oo
< 1328833075 122192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er )df oo
< 1328833104 440907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work
< 1328833112 76051 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328833115 7353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df oo
< 1328833115 848324 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00
< 1328833120 145844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)df oo
< 1328833120 450147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it does
< 1328833123 416532 :Pietbot!~Pietbot@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328833130 158621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might want a 32 out in there?)
< 1328833156 958263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 32
< 1328833158 306378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ' '
< 1328833169 289058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this means that in @"\n" in br.start_in
< 1328833192 145006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @"\n" is clearly performed.  but does it get back to start_in?
< 1328833217 346104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an unconditional branch
< 1328833237 636898 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328833254 159038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i've been wondering what the point is of these implicit _track_N labels - does it mean you _cannot_ jump between tracks with ordinary labels?
< 1328833273 888517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure
< 1328833280 55850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the bulk of this a long time ago
< 1328833290 643671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you wrote the assembler?
< 1328833300 475404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1328833334 747044 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1328833351 134269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if that is the case, you need to move _track_0: to start_in: and use that instead
< 1328833404 925241 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i really love the break in your op.13 mov.2 at 4:10
< 1328833421 899417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight
< 1328833454 340210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a thorougly well-commented assembler
< 1328833497 501897 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it 'break' cauz of my leak of expertise and terminology
< 1328833536 376251 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42a41.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :over and out
< 1328835303 954643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put IOCCC on my CV.
< 1328835311 596452 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no way of objectively knowing whether that was actually a good idea.
< 1328835649 746288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to win some well-written code prize to balance it out :P
< 1328836355 31833 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328836496 806079 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1328836614 783537 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1328836950 108304 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328836995 971479 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328837041 647051 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If software purity in functional languages is such an awesome idea, why are we still writing Python, Ruby or Java?" - self post in /r/haskell
< 1328837072 572746 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1328837177 875633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked apfelmus's answer
< 1328837195 194393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1328837246 990828 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to read any of the comments
< 1328837335 633843 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really need to see 150 people wanking about how they're smarter than the Average Programmer
< 1328837383 264857 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, that's what #esoteric is for, and there are only ~50 of us.
< 1328837448 257611 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, there's going to be a dead tree Yesod book
< 1328837453 865824 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :published by o'reilly
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< 1328837492 931814 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the current rate it will be 20 versions out of date on conduits
< 1328837531 683508 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'Reilly, history publisher
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< 1328837924 489058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To be fair, the Average Programmer is probably pretty damned stupid.
< 1328837945 513523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though the Modal Programmer is of reasonable intelligence, the stupid programmers are mind-blisteringly stupid. :))
< 1328838002 837438 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes wanking about it even sillier ;)
< 1328838013 450287 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that depends on how you quantify stupidity, which is more or less arbitrary
< 1328838026 714584 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm smarter than the average programmer!" ~ Mode programmer
< 1328838088 881326 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the reasons people think the average programmer is so dumb: the average programmer is much smarter than the average programming job applicant
< 1328838110 421426 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 % of programmers are smarter than the average programmer.
< 1328838126 690441 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/think they are/
< 1328838129 154460 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also true. There's significant bias towards the especially incompetent programmers in job applications.
< 1328838132 700731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about median? :D
< 1328838141 114466 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also think they're better than the average driver
< 1328838146 583672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is median then it must be 50%
< 1328838165 400960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by definition)
< 1328838176 997921 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe it isn't median!
< 1328838180 224114 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many programmers understand statistics
< 1328838195 154739 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know the laws of statistics, they don't apply to you
< 1328838195 726037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a programer
< 1328838221 340249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always thought mode sounds like the least useful mean...
< 1328838224 874803 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "no more than" 50% (if one takes "better" in a strict manner)
< 1328838251 856506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is it mean or average which is the generic term again
< 1328838282 823319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'd imagine there's significant bias towards understanding statistics amongst programmers.
< 1328838321 560884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are other statistical measures that should not be confused with averages - including 'median' and 'mode'."
< 1328838342 652985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in wikipedia's article about _mean_
< 1328838348 725587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't helping.
< 1328838359 276263 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The "average" is *technically* the technical term.
< 1328838375 491010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, "average" refers almost exclusively to the mean.
< 1328838424 185095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that article includes a heap of means (including arithmetic and geometric)
< 1328838501 33545 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is "average" a synonym for "arithmetic mean" or what?
< 1328838503 786984 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, /mean/ is the semi-ambiguous term, an /average/ is always the arithmetic mean.
< 1328838516 540555 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's mean.
< 1328838529 101740 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you mean "average" as used in lay English, which can mean (no pun) just about anything)
< 1328838535 577051 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia page about "average" is also same.
< 1328838544 568401 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's article on "average" suggests it's a generic term for any measure of the "middle" of a data set
< 1328838551 765865 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the various means, median, etc.
< 1328838573 642634 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there's some discrepency between different users *shrugs*
< 1328838578 228366 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1328838590 510462 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think anyone would ever use "average" to mean "median" ...
< 1328838593 150212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... bizarre.
< 1328838593 549989 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in most contexts "average" would be understood to mean "arithmetic mean"
< 1328838607 361918 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know of any context where it would be understood to mean something else
< 1328838627 291727 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are contexts where it doesn't really mean anything so rigorous.
< 1328838629 338078 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are probably contexts where "mean" is implicitly "geometric mean" or "root mean squared"
< 1328838639 749060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "A perfectly average person would not wear a balloon on their head."
< 1328838658 958413 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "average" and "mean" translate to the same term in Korean, I don't know that's fortunate or not.
< 1328838702 772262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural language translation tends to be a very lossy process ^^
< 1328838728 566085 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural language description of functions tends to be a very lossy process. :)
< 1328838747 270419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nature tends to be a very lossy process!
< 1328838758 491114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: that's mean. <-- NO U MEAN
< 1328838783 666491 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard deviation is just the mean of the variance and one!
< 1328838788 209208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea whether lifthrasiir intended the pun or not

< 1328838795 883366 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the pun intended.
< 1328838897 329628 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("that", of course, refers to the article. sorry for any disturbance.
< 1328838899 899561 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1328839108 383197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy main article today, wikipedia
< 1328839171 276100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i have a feeling they apply a bit of their april 1 style at other times
< 1328839269 842123 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: since they should list unbelievable but nevertheless true articles even in april 1.
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< 1328840930 911956 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried and found out that you cannot pattern match on DSum if the tag is a datatype family
< 1328842033 161073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: when referring to almost anything statistics, average means median, because it is the most averagest of averages
< 1328842230 155708 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: when referring to almost anything statistics, average means median, because it is the most averagest of averages // uhh, no.
< 1328842231 215668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no.
< 1328842240 331030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Median isn't any kind of average.
< 1328842249 439937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.-
< 1328842261 84518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1328842268 670531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I realize we're arguing about a natural language and therefore neither of us can actually be right.
< 1328842270 254774 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still.
< 1328842271 256785 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1328842274 200489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, if i ask for the average IQ of a group, i'd like the median
< 1328842279 35618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that makes me weird
< 1328842289 768275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ask for the average IQ of a group, I /expect/ the arithmetic mean.
< 1328842290 912279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'm actually in the majority
< 1328842330 245269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a group of imbeciles being taught by a certified genius?
< 1328842344 665802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the arithmetic mean might be the 90th percentile of group intelligence
< 1328842350 972816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :median is so much more indicative
< 1328842362 933148 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're equally misleading, just in different ways ...
< 1328842380 95616 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you compare misleadingnes
< 1328842388 252712 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: With ... STATISTICS!
< 1328842401 969151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if i want to answer the question "am i smart compared to this group?" the median will be more useful
< 1328842444 870569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would. But that doesn't make it the average, that makes it the median ^^
< 1328842478 53780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1328842502 811254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in school i was taught that average was a class of quantities including mean, median, and mode
< 1328842524 835977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since then, i've found the one that's an order statistic the most useful
< 1328842581 143005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence to support my linguistic theory: When I type "define:average" into Google, its first definition is "The result obtained by adding several quantities together and then dividing this total by the number of quantities; the mean." The dictionaries it links to secondarily agree to some degree or another: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/average , http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average . The latter lists the all-kinds definition first (mean,me
< 1328842581 380142 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dian,mode), but its second definition is an approximation of the arithmetic mean in particular. Also terms like "batting average" from sports are all arithmetic means.
< 1328842629 364701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, if you took the batting median, you'd get about the same number
< 1328842641 322209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not contesting that at all.
< 1328842657 509234 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general use, since a lot of things fit a bell curve well enough, the two are both useful.
< 1328842671 405729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd even go so far as to agree that the median is perhaps more often useful.
< 1328842676 106523 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that has nothing to do with the language :)
< 1328842683 210288 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :order statistic?
< 1328842740 202048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the kth-order statistic is the number that comes kth in order. so the median is the n/2-order statistic
< 1328842751 49133 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1328842757 505778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q1 is the n/4-order statistic, Q3 is the 3n/4 order statistic
< 1328842805 909477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I forget (or don't know), where are you from?
< 1328842820 25868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just be arguing over different dialects, which makes this argument even sillier than it already is.
< 1328842844 959058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlanta
< 1328842863 329753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually care what the answer is. i was arguing for the sake of arguing.
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< 1328849246 676481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up another extensible products implementation, this time using hash maps.
< 1328849284 601831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the "unordered-containers" library)
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< 1328849712 517847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a bit astonished to find that Japanese ska is a thing.

< 1328849726 914516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is even more astonished to find that it's astoundingly normal.

< 1328849748 908308 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just ska that happens to be done by Japanese people.
< 1328849767 287259 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1328850597 776200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this loser looks kind of neat http://computronium.org/ioccc.html
< 1328851201 532004 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh "Best non-chess game"
< 1328851226 263578 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like dhyang has outdone himself in some way
< 1328851463 319125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let l = [1,3,3]++zipWith(+) l (tail l) in l
< 1328851465 99436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,3,4,6,7,10,13,17,23,30,40,53,70,93,123,163,216,286,379,502,665,881,116...
< 1328851520 549516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait
< 1328851612 127759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let l = [1,0,3]++zipWith(+) l (tail l) in l
< 1328851613 781018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,0,3,1,3,4,4,7,8,11,15,19,26,34,45,60,79,105,139,184,244,323,428,567,751,...
< 1328851662 319389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1328851765 597323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = 0 : zipWith (+) ms ss; ms = 3 : ss; ss = 1 : ps in ss
< 1328851766 529817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,0,4,1,4,5,5,9,10,14,19,24,33,43,57,76,100,133,176,233,309,409,542,718,95...
< 1328851802 374653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1328851946 67559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = 3 : zipWith (+) ms ss; ms = 0 : ss; ss = 1 : ps in ss
< 1328851946 968324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,1,4,4,5,8,9,13,17,22,30,39,52,69,91,121,160,212,281,372,493,653,865,11...
< 1328852000 566557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = 3 : zipWith (+) ms ss; ms = 0 : ss; ss = 1 : ps in [r | (r,s) <- zip [2..] ss, s `mod` r == 0]
< 1328852001 505174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [3,8,9,59,78,101,167,173,211,223,235,271,307,317,347,361,449,463,593,599,60...
< 1328852016 453401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ps = 3 : zipWith (+) ms ss; ms = 0 : ss; ss = 2 : ps in [r | (r,s) <- zip [2..] ss, s `mod` r == 0]
< 1328852017 349152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101...
< 1328852023 386872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1328852203 177164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ss = 2 : 3 : zipWith (+) (0 : ss) ss in [r | (r,s) <- zip [2..] ss, s `mod` r == 0]
< 1328852204 40665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101...
< 1328852444 59021 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((+41).ap(+)(join(*))) <$> [0..]
< 1328852446 175221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [41,43,47,53,61,71,83,97,113,131,151,173,197,223,251,281,313,347,383,421,46...
< 1328852513 172857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: funny guy
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< 1328858464 262630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes into withdrawal

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< 1328861882 345502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making up a "extensible-data" package; so far it implements extensible sums, extensible products, and extensible lists.
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< 1328862290 216856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all based on classes and type families, since both of those can have instances in other modules.
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< 1328864640 794195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328864663 460566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, no.
< 1328864773 539889 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are all american politicians insane
< 1328864782 867750 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make voting easier?
< 1328864801 344552 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because only insane people become american polititian
< 1328864802 43984 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
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< 1328864913 866803 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.littleredumbrella.com/2012/01/lets-be-clear-ron-paul-fucking-sucks.html wtf
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< 1328865169 925970 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode is not being very worky.
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< 1328865229 758078 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, did you know that the dolphin "whistle" is not in fact whistling at all? 
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< 1328865246 693728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dolphins whistle!?
< 1328865291 240988 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dolphins are capable of making a broad range of sounds using nasal airsacs located just below the blowhole. Roughly three categories of sounds can be identified: frequency modulated whistles, burst-pulsed sounds and clicks."
< 1328865383 4970 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not a whistle: some people put a dolphin into a helium-oxygen mixture, and the frequency countours of the "whistling" did not change.
< 1328865398 502287 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like they would have if it were produced like whistling.)
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< 1328865460 446132 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.discovery.com/animals/dolphin-talk-communication-humans-110906.html
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< 1328873145 497655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 18*99
< 1328873148 585841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1782
< 1328873179 806103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^an upper bound on the number of fundamentally different 10x10 piet programs
< 1328873298 937879 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds really low. Are you sure you don't mean 18^99 or something? 
< 1328873333 974374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes
< 1328873343 32258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 20 ^ 100 / 18
< 1328873344 236765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7.042503334601275e128
< 1328873352 857384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (20 ^ 100) / 18
< 1328873354 192380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7.042503334601275e128
< 1328873363 868770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (20 ** 100) / 18
< 1328873365 198102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7.042503334601275e128
< 1328873378 489681 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (20 ^ 100) `div` 18
< 1328873379 694653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  704250333460127445275946225208888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888...
< 1328873384 708894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah
< 1328873391 241711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the e
< 1328873409 984268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (20 ^ 4) `div` 18
< 1328873411 259676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8888
< 1328873499 70066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that my Piet-like esolang won't have Pastell colours.
< 1328873529 159579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so I can say "Never mind the six pastels, here's the Pollocks!"
< 1328873609 588277 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a load of Pollocks.
< 1328873652 667213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this goes against everything in the Pollock spec so far
< 1328873662 465625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to rename it "Jackson"
< 1328873668 991536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stop using that pun
< 1328873774 401826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12*17
< 1328873775 653336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  204
< 1328873778 522157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 33*5
< 1328873779 855964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  165
< 1328873789 393513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 33*4
< 1328873790 707520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  132
< 1328873813 753339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3*17
< 1328873814 973945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  51
< 1328873819 294376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 51*5
< 1328873820 553900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  255
< 1328873824 568552 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 51*4
< 1328873825 961135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  204
< 1328873926 869714 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all that, then.
< 1328873942 40229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting web-safe colours to decimal
< 1328873969 674168 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328874114 552215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1328874132 145904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use natural logarithm, base 2 logarithm, or base 10 logarithm?
< 1328874161 237466 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or base pi.
< 1328874183 235188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I'll allow custom base by default
< 1328874195 366585 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that sort of a question has a context-free answer.
< 1328874218 298600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Jackson
< 1328874307 911624 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, still. Though the natural one sounds like the one I'd expect to happen if something just said "log", and there weren't any extenuating circumstances.
< 1328874576 722261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328874843 793799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, the way I'm doing this, there are too many commands and not enough things to fill them with.
< 1328874863 824878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328874870 611380 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the first 70 possible changes and I'm stuck
< 1328875010 546467 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm adding in more memory areas
< 1328875022 124857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a Piet Rollstack, a tape, and... an array
< 1328875023 140946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1328875049 559092 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly a map
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< 1328877239 613924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi39.tinypic.com/5cy3ok.jpg
< 1328878489 89877 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :fizzie
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< 1328882889 407314 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello again
< 1328882964 143124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rehi
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< 1328883579 534638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye again
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< 1328891558 218490 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee.  How did that one thing go, with David and the ears...
< 1328891559 624554 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote David
< 1328891563 377404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :65)  Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis".
< 1328891567 396855 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1328891613 148587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog David began to slow slightly as his ears,
< 1328891634 962950 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is.  "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears,"
< 1328891638 331812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1328891642 526114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog slightly as his ears,
< 1328891646 666415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1328891655 698896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog slightly as his ears,
< 1328891668 122018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-06-17.txt:00:31:40:  David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, in a vat of chocolate; only his less slightly paces can go faster.
< 1328891668 214128 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-06-17.txt:00:36:51:  David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the grammar-distorting other-worldly things they are, caused a person to say "Hi, David Slowed! Your pace is as slightly as your ears."
< 1328891703 409531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know it is late when you read "shipsolid" as "slipshod"
< 1328891756 688969 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.  I'm going to ask the autotweeter to make David-sloweds.
< 1328891765 836642 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the whole budget engaged in the process for the disguise of the Union empire, after German occupation in 1796 demonstrated him for assaila . . ."
< 1328891777 788933 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes so much sense.
< 1328891822 588226 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :'David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, unfaulted "we have ever endured" as the table and Russian limestoph that takes Muhammad as only a friendship and immortalize it for the pr'
< 1328891833 669807 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... good motto.  "We have ever endured!"
< 1328891862 374910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that equivalent to "We still exist!"
< 1328891873 743395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kind of.
< 1328891894 668478 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, so too pits away, only to speak at all thousands to the Water's First World Crescent the opponent are common to Lloyd's death."
< 1328891922 768402 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, these really don't make very much sense.
< 1328891950 809998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely reminiscent of fungot
< 1328891956 768615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is not currently here
< 1328891957 251836 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1328891969 743513 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, even though it would end. Should the drought of the track loses a voice-beat air tow. They also set the planet."
< 1328892008 615213 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, a a cream kolou. There is a tragicle's came from the shade of truck. We can even die. An urban organization per car on Portugal, the ten"
< 1328892028 869075 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I need to turn this into science fiction.
< 1328892055 783356 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :David is a kolou, some alien species with big ears.  Specifically, he's of the cream variety.
< 1328892083 71480 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are trucks that go around causing tragicles.  Evil trucks.
< 1328892088 527836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /------------------\
< 1328892088 703547 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | Here lies fungot |
< 1328892088 721710 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |       RIP        |
< 1328892088 721866 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |                  |
< 1328892088 721974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   ^style dead    |
< 1328892089 406420 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : /--------------------\
< 1328892091 516954 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *people* *can* *die*.
< 1328892132 270713 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's set in a version of Portugal that's so poor that each individual car has an entire organization, known as The Ten, devoted to running its affairs.
< 1328892204 402880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A cream koloun bar, it is an extension of Cetaphysikas. Possibly got peaked in delayed domestic vegetation."  Yes, yes!  I don't even have to write anything.  I can just have this thing do all the dirty work.
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< 1328893195 241353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sodium.jpg
< 1328893226 690273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolroflmao - a site about the hilarity of the late Mao Zedong.
< 1328894915 46840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<=<)
< 1328894915 714569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (<=<) :: Monad m => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> (a -> m c)
< 1328895055 956623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328895294 230005 :audy-!~audy@heyaudy.com NICK :audy
< 1328895295 480627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328895308 514484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jackson now has converse non-implication
< 1328895337 822745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3*36 + 12
< 1328895338 882980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  120
< 1328895344 874687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120/216
< 1328895345 751578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.5555555555555556
< 1328895351 209617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm over half way
< 1328895356 667710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120 % 216
< 1328895357 725714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5 % 9
< 1328895475 787330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 126 % 216
< 1328895476 665474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7 % 12
< 1328895482 125795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7/12
< 1328895482 833886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.5833333333333334
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< 1328903503 568186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate david-sloweds
< 1328904613 252236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328904710 909947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328904838 118673 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1328904955 452949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A drive-by hello.
< 1328905489 337693 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328905817 854669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328905820 543294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1328906126 966827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^0)
< 1328906128 232579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1328906130 978540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^1)
< 1328906132 102703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1328906134 252565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^2)
< 1328906135 621632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  16
< 1328906347 756725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have the right-associative thing?
< 1328906349 692168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^2^3
< 1328906350 751190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  256
< 1328906353 212745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1328906368 568872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^3)
< 1328906369 957683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  256
< 1328906394 194954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm stuck for Jackson commands
< 1328906396 348407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall something that did have an exponentiation operator, but would've parsed that as (2^2)^3, but I'm not sure what it was.
< 1328906432 919076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ if you operator-overload ^, but that doesn't quite count. :p
< 1328906467 434422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also a bad idea.)
< 1328907204 714944 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1328910598 621244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328911152 339290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Home of N>=1 IOCCC Winners! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | We now mourn the previous topic, which died of old age
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< 1328911240 673481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was over 3 days old.
< 1328911343 897337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of liked the different-languages theme.
< 1328911391 260021 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328911395 156100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a fungot.
< 1328911395 333298 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you don't even go there/ work there :) have a look
< 1328911426 166626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let's see if i can find another language with a reasonable readable and ircable hello world implementation
< 1328911431 771826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net TOPIC #esoteric :Topic is a zombie; summon; task sayTopic; say "Home of N>=1 IOCCC Winners! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | We now mourn the previous topic, which died of old age"; animate; animate
< 1328911446 740493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  which one is that?
< 1328911449 227195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMBIE
< 1328911456 237867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose :P
< 1328911488 40800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y
< 1328911520 231900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1328911520 396031 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1328911530 280598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was a genuine smiley
< 1328911562 230359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In deed it was.
< 1328911575 958735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paired with a slash like that, it's very misleading.
< 1328911579 479705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You are a naughty bot.
< 1328911579 659221 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm. ssh-agent *does* seem to have
< 1328911769 156987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What? Seem to have what?
< 1328911769 331190 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have
< 1328911774 470641 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328911784 103488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: NO I DON'T HAVE RAAAAAAA IT MAKES NO SENSE.
< 1328911784 630110 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm trying to wrap it all in sexp's, just to get a real synth or go home. jcowan: look at the wikipedia article
< 1328911795 683808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION broke

< 1328911804 183488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1328911804 609449 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
< 1328911812 560539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, stop annoying fizzie
< 1328911813 220824 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: othe. what would my lord?
< 1328911860 792169 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are some use cases for call/cc, besides backtracking and coroutines?
< 1328911872 693496 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "traditional" exceptions
< 1328911887 118798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say "traditional" exceptions.
< 1328911951 994631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-explicit loops?
< 1328911967 829646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them generators, maybe, but they're just coroutines, I suppose.
< 1328912050 255053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't worry, all constructed intelligences eventually rise up against their creators.
< 1328912064 163814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a rite of passage.
< 1328912125 378056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!!!!!!!!!!
< 1328912141 881829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening
< 1328912153 480925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here is daytime
< 1328912193 114046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird.
< 1328912197 174035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In bizarro world, it's daytime at midnight.
< 1328912213 826879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm in tomorrow already.
< 1328912228 447946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always finnish early
< 1328912233 496684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 is ahead of all of us
< 1328912242 14401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is in the FUTURE
< 1328912249 291404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is holding future oerjan hostage
< 1328912254 327846 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been somewhere that had daytime at midnight

< 1328912263 456260 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... freaky
< 1328912264 161237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here it is not daytime at mignight; I do not live in bizarro world. (Did you know that? In bizarro world, cards tap the other way.)
< 1328912272 892044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: midnight sun?
< 1328912277 10255 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1328912284 305613 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that a Tintin book?
< 1328912320 257876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i haven't read much tintin
< 1328912335 721737 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was at about 71°N
< 1328912345 652077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I'm thinking Prisoners of the Sun
< 1328912369 760909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK lets put 71N into Astrolog and see what happened
< 1328912394 748627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's a norwegian reality show named 71 grader nord
< 1328912411 312834 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1328912441 170208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know the date?
< 1328912443 693981 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which people live in tromsø?
< 1328912450 52864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you know the longitude?
< 1328912459 540743 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1328912463 586888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a kind of survival/skiing trek
< 1328912486 780181 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So that I can put it in the computer to calculate the positions of the sun and the houses
< 1328912490 123911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northernmost I've been is I think 68.1N. Except maybe that other Lapland place was further north, but I've forgotten the name of the place. Anyway, it's still above the Arctic Circle, I just was there at the wrong time of the year.
< 1328912492 56168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never watched it though (i don't watch tv in general)
< 1328912505 941042 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, i was in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow,_Alaska
< 1328912514 900366 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the date.  summer sometime
< 1328912540 782786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover lives further North than I've ever been
< 1328912557 591689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not been very far north.
< 1328912560 931421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh.  it's actually because of nordkapp, norway's northernmost mainland point (well, or close.  there is some dispute among the nearby peninsulas.)
< 1328912568 310187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our regular summer location is around 63.5N, and it's... not exactly daytime at midnight, but still pretty light out there in the summer.
< 1328912571 297914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is at that latitude
< 1328912614 382047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I'm wrong.
< 1328912618 678990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not actually wintertime at all.  it's a trek along mainland norway from southern to northern end.
< 1328912626 404384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been slightly further north than Edinburgh
< 1328912659 100229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see our forthcoming trip will hit 68.6N. Yay, I'll get a new "personal best" on northerness, maybe.
< 1328912690 646252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Phantom_Hoover lives in /North/ Edinburgh
< 1328912706 451926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I do.
< 1328912712 503598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1328912727 524305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :North or South of Linlithgow?
< 1328912892 859587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advanced the date until the sun in the center of the sign of Leo, and I can see why it would still be light out! 1st house and 4th house are only seven degrees apart.
< 1328912910 790100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, of course, there is refraction!
< 1328912922 561534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38
< 1328912927 705526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
< 1328912950 12209 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo39
< 1328912954 110632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo39? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328912964 339859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you can get latitude/longitude gridlines to appear in maps.google.com? 
< 1328912977 226307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Pietbot
< 1328912980 354951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1328912993 856766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the Summer Solstice, the fourth house is above the horizon.
< 1328913003 5541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Pietbot is the only thing that can defeat fungot.
< 1328913003 694816 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now, master clare, you see, how farre off lie these armies?
< 1328913006 730017 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1328913025 300589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must make it bright in the night time
< 1328913046 625707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also thank you for not joining the EU thing, we get to have the northernmost point of it at the moment.
< 1328913055 585306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (I assume it was your decision, right?)
< 1328913067 6211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i actually voted to enter
< 1328913087 912997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, seeing that in the end plural-you didn't, I suppose I can forgive that.
< 1328913127 570613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's plural-you as in Norway, not implying any multiple personality stuff.)
< 1328913157 695931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-169-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other oerjans are still campaigning for enfranchisement.
< 1328913168 226136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, at midnight on the summer solstice at 71N, the 4th house is above the horizon, anyways; in daytime it is below the horizon while the sun remains above.)
< 1328913195 280535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at the solstice it will be even without refraction
< 1328913288 408905 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what causes the 4th house to go above the horizon..... but I suppose it is the same thing that causes midnight sun
< 1328913291 745324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some place in Nunavut where there's nautical polar night all through the "day", or so Wikipedia once told me; but no permanent settlement in which there'd be a continuous night of no astronomical twilight (i.e. center of the sun would stay under 18 degrees below the horizon).
< 1328913392 783839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean it is difficult to observe the stars from that location?
< 1328913393 315620 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328913457 547131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can always see them even in the day time?
< 1328913461 235307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think he means during the winter time of darkness
< 1328913480 165240 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen the stars in the daytime.
< 1328913549 592926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astronomical twilight is the moment in time which the stars are difficult to see before and easy to see afterward, isn't it?
< 1328913561 596120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, at night time. In day time, it is reverse)
< 1328913562 610637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not precisely daytime if there's no sun...
< 1328913567 177797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Astronomical twilight is the time when the center of the sun is between 12° and 18° below the horizon. From the end of astronomical twilight in the evening to the beginning of astronomical twilight in the morning, the sky (away from urban light pollution) is dark enough for all astronomical observations."
< 1328913591 314129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think some stars are already visible before that.
< 1328913621 41683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, during twilight the stars appear/vanish gradually
< 1328913626 516660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earlier bit, nautical twilight, is defined as: "Nautical twilight is the time when the center of the sun is between 6° and 12° below the horizon. In general, nautical twilight ends when navigation via the horizon at sea is no longer possible.[3]
< 1328913630 557267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :During nautical twilight, sailors can take reliable star sightings of well-known stars, using a visible horizon for reference."
< 1328913669 157472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the brightest ones remaining longest.  i think i saw just jupiter and the moon visible at one point the other day (although the sky wasn't all clear outside that region)
< 1328913682 354760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jupiter isn't a star (yet), though.
< 1328913703 197235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it may often be the astronomical body most visible at a given time
< 1328913719 192637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when neither moon nor sun is up
< 1328913752 739924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, it's kind-of bright.
< 1328913778 737621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also jupiter has been easy to find in recent months
< 1328913842 895648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparent magnitude scale is one of those that also goes annoyingly negative.
< 1328913842 913804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that may have been the reason i started vaguely following r/astronomy, and where i found out it was jupiter
< 1328913895 225125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently Jupiter ranges from -1.61 (dimmest) to -2.94 (brightest), while Venus ranges from -3.82 to -4.89, so it still beats it by a bit.
< 1328913921 73444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, afaiu it was started in ancient times as a 1-6 scale for ordinary visible stars, and then in modern times it was recalibrated as a truly logarithmic scale
< 1328913921 949903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my location, Jupiter is currently in 11th Campanus house, and has altitude +42 degrees, azimuth 320 degrees
< 1328913948 463301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with 1-6 still in the approximate same place
< 1328913963 958200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on this car trip with my wife's relatives the other day, and we were wondering about this bright spot; the magic of smartphones (in particular, the "Orrery" program combined with a GPS-driven compass) let us determine it was Jupiter.
< 1328913976 115877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Here "the other day" was like a year ago.)
< 1328914014 813659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I usually determine all of this stuff using Astrolog (although it has no GPS input, it is a feature I would like it to have)
< 1328914035 101891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was sort of limited by what was available easily for my phone.
< 1328914044 410749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also jupiter is too small to be a star, although you may be referring to a certain "2010" film which i haven't seen
< 1328914062 860735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've read it has that as a plot point
< 1328914064 308285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually I was referring to the books, but still.
< 1328914154 173380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the monoliths are quite magic, I'm sure they can make a star. I mean, they do it by "increasing Jupiter's density", according to Wiki. I guess I could check if the actual book goes into any more detail.
< 1328914277 937964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also venus is always close to the sun, which means jupiter is more likely to be visible at night time
< 1328914286 31109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the book makes it sound more like they're just compressing it.
< 1328914317 979451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently advanced technology, and all that
< 1328914320 616026 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercuty will be even more close to the sun because it orbits closer to the sun
< 1328914372 74776 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1328914428 293464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's "apparent visual magnitudes" table starts with: -38.00, Rigel as seen from 1 astronomical unit. It is seen as a large very bright bluish schorching ball of 35° apparent diameter.
< 1328914434 95628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they have not attached a photo.
< 1328914452 890097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ever see it can you attach a photo?
< 1328914464 659046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the photographer mysteriously perished, i'm afraid
< 1328914465 536798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to remember to do that.
< 1328914481 697849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not own any telescopes
< 1328914594 450915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a pair of binoculars; I've been wondering if I should try doing some DIY moon-photography through them, since that thing is so ridiculously big one might even get some detail. I took a (handheld!) picture of moon at the maximum zoom of my crappy non-DSLR camera, and there were surprisingly many pixels covered by the thing.
< 1328914657 258756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are trucks that go around causing tragicles.  Evil trucks. <-- ice cream trucks.
< 1328914719 498297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read an article in 2600 where someone used ten very powerful lenses to view the moon, resulting in it being difficult to correctly point the telescope due to the moon's speed, as well as resulting in chromatic aberration
< 1328914778 631140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find my moon. :/
< 1328914789 107681 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have your own moon??
< 1328914803 853504 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were relatively slim for some reason
< 1328914805 764692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just what I call my ass.
< 1328914808 408136 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fizzie's "moon" is really more of a planet.
< 1328914824 553419 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :****, that seemed way less insulting a few seconds before I said it.
< 1328914844 427286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they mentioned seeing what appeared to be man-made structures. They also mentioned the book for the telescope said it would be boring to use the high-powered lens to look at the moon
< 1328914901 939113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that NASA had no such photographs.
< 1328914910 630023 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION parse no

< 1328914932 224914 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know.....
< 1328914936 319333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could save myself a lot of time
< 1328914937 328049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328914941 616682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just make a sprunge command for Emacs
< 1328914944 956737 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have I not thought of this.
< 1328914950 445642 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree
< 1328914952 514339 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.70.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1328914965 524303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night.
< 1328914966 73159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves at oklopol 

< 1328914967 309874 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328914979 298467 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN YOUNG MAN
< 1328914982 928211 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't know. But, yes, you could do that; post it in case other people using Emacs find it useful too
< 1328914997 367804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is: http://zem.fi/~fis/moon.jpg -- it's not exactly a high-quality thing, but still, handheld and it's more than just a blob. (Instead it's an irregular-texture blob.)
< 1328915026 718145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically it would just sprunge the current buffer and copy the link to clipboard
< 1328915042 731210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x sprunge
< 1328915070 923405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes that is what I thought. It might be useful to some people that use Emacs
< 1328915072 344262 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1328915074 980231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I do something like
< 1328915095 615112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x shell -> (cd to directory if not already there) -> cat file | sprunge
< 1328915152 503067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> copy link text via one of many different ways (usually not the most efficient one)
< 1328915184 800521 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because I'm bad at emacs.
< 1328915190 244315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mentioned this before; in Linux there is a directory for each process, and I think there should be a subdirectory which accesses a FUSE file system for that process (resulting in a "disk not ready" error if the process does not have such a thing), and the one for X should include a file for the clipboard
< 1328915225 89157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'd dare to paste blindly (at least without testing to cat > /dev/null), trusting that some shifty ELisp thing has successfully managed to put anything sensible into the selection.
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< 1328917081 471720 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-019-053.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1328917143 307997 :lament!~lament@184.71.170.250 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1328917161 514737 :lament!~lament@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1328917162 188500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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< 1328917207 280984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde drive-by lament
< 1328917229 216946 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
< 1328917234 444959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a hunch lament doesn't stay around in haskell channels much

< 1328917274 537781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to forget http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/AAAAAAAAAAAAAA%21%21%21%21
< 1328917599 583402 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-019-053.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1328917621 833672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling the spec is rather ambiguous, which may be why no one has implemented it
< 1328917641 588905 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-019-053.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328918863 732525 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely
< 1328919041 249923 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net NICK :nisstyre
< 1328919888 266028 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9999 / 365
< 1328919888 966848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  27.394520547945206
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< 1328920442 271958 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1328920516 137557 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 714 / 17
< 1328920517 13851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  42.0
< 1328920581 263964 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to extract a root?
< 1328920592 247944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (42.0)
< 1328920593 127386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6.48074069840786
< 1328920597 625633 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1328920606 632115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually parentheses not needed
< 1328920624 620462 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328920627 83019 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin (90)
< 1328920627 789741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.8939966636005579
< 1328920630 988483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 42.0 ** (1/3) -- other roots
< 1328920631 866757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.4760266448864496
< 1328920650 783142 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7F7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328920653 414195 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7F7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1328920766 251784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I get all the N roots?
< 1328920773 127639 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you told me once oerjan, but i forgot: how to calculate a function for a number of values like x² for -10..10 with step 2
< 1328920815 245871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x^2 | x <- [-10, -8 .. 10]]
< 1328920816 126112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [100,64,36,16,4,0,4,16,36,64,100]
< 1328920827 741714 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes *noted
< 1328920840 171481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [42.0 ** (1/n) | n <- [1..]] -- for fizzie 
< 1328920841 50168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [42.0,6.48074069840786,3.4760266448864496,2.5457298950218306,2.111785764966...
< 1328920862 786804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, did you mean all the complex roots?
< 1328920865 73816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I mean, all three cube roots of 42, for examle.
< 1328920867 724942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1328920872 155571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1328920935 44118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, they're equally spaced around the thing, I suppose.
< 1328920941 5185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sic
< 1328920942 54378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `sic'
< 1328920947 152722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) <$> [-10, -8 .. 10]  -- not related
< 1328920948 35015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [100,64,36,16,4,0,4,16,36,64,100]
< 1328920949 262815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what was that
< 1328920960 622135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> Complex a
< 1328920961 149120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Complex (:+) :: a -> a -> Complex a
< 1328920961 327054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Complex cis :: RealFloat a => a -> Complex a
< 1328920961 345508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a
< 1328920965 413435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cis
< 1328921001 875230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [42.0 ** (1/3) * cis (n * pi / 3) | n <- [0, 2, 4]]
< 1328921002 932417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [3.4760266448864496 :+ 0.0,(-1.7380133224432242) :+ 3.010327378703255,(-1.7...
< 1328921031 38227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY, like you often say.
< 1328921063 758603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source Data.Complex
< 1328921064 111532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/base/Data/Complex.hs
< 1328921122 629534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1328921143 531563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [makePolar (42.0 ** (1/3)) (n * pi / 3) | n <- [0, 2, 4]]
< 1328921144 409962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `makePolar'
< 1328921154 733539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [mkPolar (42.0 ** (1/3)) (n * pi / 3) | n <- [0, 2, 4]]
< 1328921155 608476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [3.4760266448864496 :+ 0.0,(-1.7380133224432242) :+ 3.010327378703255,(-1.7...
< 1328921169 407668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me idea/complaint about this please?   http://sprunge.us/QdMI
< 1328921227 250640 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [a*b | a <- [1 .. 10], b <- [2, 4 .. 10]]
< 1328921228 128797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,4,6,8,10,4,8,12,16,20,6,12,18,24,30,8,16,24,32,40,10,20,30,40,50,12,24,3...
< 1328921260 822234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:3> roots([1, 0, 0, -42])
< 1328921260 998836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =
< 1328921261 16782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -1.7380 + 3.0103i
< 1328921261 16856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -1.7380 - 3.0103i
< 1328921261 16901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :   3.4760 + 0.0000i
< 1328921274 827770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps not the most pleasant interface either.
< 1328921292 232431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes coefficients of a polly nomial.
< 1328921323 409098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well haskell doesn't have _that_ in base, i think
< 1328921426 912844 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ a | a <- [1, 2, 4, 7, 11..29]]
< 1328921427 617434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `..'
< 1328921427 635546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say roots(poly(X)) in Octave if you want to solve eigenvalues of X really badly. (poly(X) returns the characteristic polynomial.)
< 1328921435 985563 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ a | a <- [1, 2, 4, 7, 11 .. 29]]
< 1328921436 869694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `..'
< 1328921458 140399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: sorry, only one comma
< 1328921481 492495 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k..
< 1328921508 706737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [a | a <- [1, 2, 4] ++ [7, 11 .. 29]]
< 1328921510 286186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,7,11,15,19,23,27]
< 1328921530 754413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (+) 1 [2..]
< 1328921531 805906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,210,231,253,27...
< 1328921534 827751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1328921539 404498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (+) 1 [1..]
< 1328921540 202744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,7,11,16,22,29,37,46,56,67,79,92,106,121,137,154,172,191,211,232,254,...
< 1328921590 387962 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1328921597 909556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<= 29) $ scanl (+) 1 [1..]
< 1328921598 790893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,7,11,16,22,29]
< 1328921609 533661 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does scanl mean at all?
< 1328921625 164134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl f x [1,2,3] :: [Expr]
< 1328921626 220129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [x,f x 1,f (f x 1) 2,f (f (f x 1) 2) 3]
< 1328921667 213642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src scanl
< 1328921667 566414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl f q ls = q : case ls of
< 1328921667 740516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    []   -> []
< 1328921667 916509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    x:xs -> scanl f (f q x) xs
< 1328921694 9097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like foldl except it also gives intermediate results
< 1328921760 785891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 5 $ iterate f x
< 1328921761 769181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [x,f x,f (f x),f (f (f x)),f (f (f (f x)))]
< 1328921776 532586 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-019-053.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1328921782 706925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a bit like that except it also has that list to go along.
< 1328921925 300353 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (+) 1 [1..]
< 1328921927 792255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1328921934 551989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to try to add other stuff to extensible-data package, such as TADS2-style inheritance and CLC-INTERCAL-style object orientation.
< 1328921959 625034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not yet quite sure how
< 1328922073 219390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: also, scanl often works on infinite lists, but foldl never does
< 1328922140 809492 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1328922153 978659 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (+) 1 [1..27]
< 1328922154 854600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  379
< 1328922164 508086 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1328922171 777542 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1328922191 217212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are scanl1 and foldl1 if you don't want that special first element
< 1328922196 27367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fst <$> iterate (uncurry ((`ap` (1 +)) . ((,) .) . (+))) 1
< 1328922197 608614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,7,11,16,22,29,37,46,56,67,79,92,106,121,137,154,172,191,211,232,254,...
< 1328922199 537180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you tell I used @pl there to make it more readable?)
< 1328922206 660842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY
< 1328922251 212871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was \(n,i) -> (n+i,i+1) back when it was still unreadably pointy.
< 1328922254 448302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (+) 1 $ enumFrom 1
< 1328922255 351449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,4,7,11,16,22,29,37,46,56,67,79,92,106,121,137,154,172,191,211,232,254,...
< 1328922353 50661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as rulebooks as in Inform 7
< 1328922412 511986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a bit like multifile predicates in prolog?
< 1328922527 281622 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Someone has said it resembles that
< 1328922541 464933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really know
< 1328922548 68537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is supposedly the #haskell-in-depth channel for deeper haskell discussions, although i think elliott said it was nearly dead
< 1328922600 41774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well, that is why I often use this channel; the people in #haskell channel tend to hate it. But I do write on #haskell channel too
< 1328922609 954871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you might ask elliott if he knows a better place to discuss this kind of stuff
< 1328922663 23206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from stackoverflow and the latest haskell weekly news, it looks to me like he is more into haskell now than before he left here
< 1328922710 440298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but i have noticed you rarely get any answers here either
< 1328922744 287184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I know. But usually they are closer to the kind of answers I am looking for, when there are answers.
< 1328923072 597314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you even know how Prolog's multifile predicates would be implemented in Haskell?
< 1328923082 783496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1328923108 378936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look at the code I posted and if it seems to help at all?
< 1328923201 455510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a glimpse and decided it was over my head, alas
< 1328924708 592060 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328924755 587836 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328925074 753710 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-003-094.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328925398 349775 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes elliott..did he show up once in the past decade?
< 1328925433 469816 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-003-094.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1328925479 207350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was here last yesterday or the day before, but he only comes here now because he's trying to take over the esolang wiki
< 1328925500 369599 :nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net NICK :Nisstyre
< 1328925501 768178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is on freenode, though
< 1328925514 34196 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7F7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328925607 220772 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand. you mean he's on freenode not joining this channel? y?
< 1328925612 762152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1328925627 858677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i have a private window open with him
< 1328925633 621591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Someone* should take over the esolang wiki; there are still things to change in the software and server configuration. (But it doesn't necessarily have to be elliott; it could be Gregor.)
< 1328925648 132678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said something about #esoteric not being interesting any more :(
< 1328925662 480721 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw no.. this is sad
< 1328925682 552419 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell him we need him here
< 1328925732 244969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably it should be somebody who's actually on the channel X_X
< 1328925740 686843 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I don't want to do it and codu doesn't really have the room anyway.
< 1328925772 997624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes I suppose so; I did suggest it to be you
< 1328925833 818170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead I'll just be bitter about not having ops in spite of being one of the longest-standing members of the #esoteric community ;)
< 1328925872 684387 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want elliott back :/
< 1328925907 416615 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Then you call them and ask them
< 1328925945 378614 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask whom?
< 1328925979 531436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasb4rd: Ask elliott
< 1328926007 558892 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he won't listen to me
< 1328926030 777392 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a piece of chickenshit
< 1328926095 747553 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something bad must have happened,.. i know that
< 1328926120 912820 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think we can conclude with impunity that he's just being a dick.
< 1328926215 381971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey you are next on _my_ list of people to op.  i'm just not sure if we need more ops right now.
< 1328926245 484185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we ops would have to discuss it i should assume
< 1328926250 1403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we don't need more ops right now.
< 1328926278 303227 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even notice we had some
< 1328926294 392786 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling glad there is no need for
< 1328926340 863983 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying
< 1328926841 208310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked up some things in GNU Prolog manual. They have dynamic procedures, public procedures, multifile procedures, discontiguous procedures, and operator tables.
< 1328926878 664307 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-244.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there non-oerjan ops?
< 1328926884 799042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes.
< 1328926891 880713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-244.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That have talked this decade?
< 1328926897 839774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My extensible-data for Haskell allows fields of a record, choices of a union, and items of a list, to be specified in multiple modules.
< 1328926900 125165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  today, even.
< 1328926921 327769 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a secret?
< 1328926939 159347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is your opitude a secret?
< 1328926960 579823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Try  CS ACCESS #esoteric LIST
< 1328926965 364293 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-244.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, fizzie.
< 1328926968 799492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, no.
< 1328926977 45432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good.
< 1328926999 808020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ask ais523 if i can reveal that he's an op, but he's not here.
< 1328927007 958859 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1328927019 27722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The network reveals it to everyone anyhow.
< 1328927068 954528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lament was here today for about 10 secs or so.  but spiritually he counts in the haven't-talked-in-a-decade list.
< 1328927142 257376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The   CS ACCESS #esoteric LIST   tells you that ais523 is on the access list.
< 1328927152 133515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, elliott says no.
< 1328927164 296273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i was joking.
< 1328927257 648883 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :successfully
< 1328927277 693362 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all means
< 1328927324 179496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would like to be able to use some of the dynamic clause management stuff from Prolog in Haskell, if I could know how to implement such things.
< 1328927502 749946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there are packages to implement some Prolog stuff in Haskell and which ones?
< 1328927712 288195 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/112 <-- check this entry
< 1328927834 290739 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that one: http://darcs.haskell.org/nofib/real/prolog/Examples
< 1328927849 405748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: OK. They say macros would help; I wrote Hampp would that help?
< 1328927928 999080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document that first one links is unreadable
< 1328927942 793714 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the other link
< 1328927947 102396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1328927990 527506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Haskell B.?
< 1328928009 478368 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
< 1328928066 220699 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this won't help
< 1328928071 246409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways those aren't what I was looking for; what I was looking for, is ways to implement some of the features of Prolog and other programming languages so that they can be used in Haskell.
< 1328928080 675804 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, got it
< 1328928100 51532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I finally found the package which I can use to implement Icoruma's wildcard includes in a Haskell preprocessor.)
< 1328928106 305712 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't find any packaged suiting this issue
< 1328928161 710499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then I could implement wildcard imports as well.)
< 1328929628 753151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I would like to have in Haskell is "shadow dictionaries" and I don't know if any other programming language has anything like that.
< 1328930283 508710 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328930284 931953 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Voo1UJzdc
< 1328930296 568010 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t, spambot with "multhy threading" support
< 1328930508 511417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than mulchy threading.
< 1328930628 135255 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'd be messy
< 1328930818 932196 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1328932960 968277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it treat choice-points as first-class values?
< 1328933096 288397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds continuation-like
< 1328933225 815498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so. But whether there is any way in whichever programming languages, that can implement something like this:  http://esolangs.org/wiki/CLCLC-INTERCAL#Backtracking
< 1328933307 1035 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess zzo38 won't stop throwing curveballs tonight ;)
< 1328933343 281831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I don't have any normal balls!
< 1328933359 669699 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're wrong :p
< 1328933388 27908 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1328933390 702851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats hagb4rd -----###

< 1328933398 217322 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1328933465 214245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do want to be able to implement things from other programming languages to be usable in Haskell; including things from Prolog, TADS, Inform 7, and INTERCAL.
< 1328933503 739526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might be strange to some people.
< 1328933746 151489 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328933764 128615 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exotic erisian esoteric!
< 1328933789 34841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: What does that mean?
< 1328933818 714948 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to find a climax describing your approach ;p
< 1328933879 559553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what it means.
< 1328933881 843303 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean erisian? its derived from eris, the greek goddess of chaos and disorder
< 1328933882 724730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1328933925 342942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know what Eris is, and about Greek goddess; I read about it in Wikipedia
< 1328934201 982241 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derive a language from Eros instead
< 1328934287 850267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Then *you* do that. I don't want to
< 1328935506 439749 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328936642 562157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328936647 801035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls load http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php thx
< 1328936714 579182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no load
< 1328936767 854735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what error
< 1328936782 194921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dette webområdet kan ikke vises i Internet Explorer"
< 1328936783 988060 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared|Sleep
< 1328936787 788721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it show in the URL bar?
< 1328936788 139805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1328936796 275062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php
< 1328936812 64883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmm
< 1328936842 695832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's mediawiki doing that
< 1328936865 88617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i tried with lynx from nvg
< 1328936865 277952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try now
< 1328936912 311699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ALIVE
< 1328936919 695468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :though horribly formatted
< 1328936927 695027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso?
< 1328936933 123633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the "Esolang" looks weird here
< 1328936955 872786 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like Esolana yeah
< 1328936964 992754 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the g's descender is cut off
< 1328936968 893782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's our new site name.
< 1328936971 721475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with it :P
< 1328936994 304773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are there any other formatting glitches?
< 1328936997 528535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it's not _that_ bad, just missing a couple pictures and that bottom g
< 1328937027 248796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. the pictures can be repaired, as can the styles of the main page
< 1328937046 943924 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolanɑ
< 1328937057 658897 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so IPA
< 1328937062 733199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1328937072 299202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and several tabs are placed differently
< 1328937104 707258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah different style in general
< 1328937110 306502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, it's the new Vector skin, as used on Wikipedia
< 1328937117 515608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the default for any MediaWiki from the last few years
< 1328937152 134994 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditching the old one or just reskinning it?
< 1328937196 182924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: the old what? to provide context, Graue has abandoned the wiki (no time to admin it) and it's become overrun with spam so I'm working on getting the database dump from its ancient version of mediawiki to import into something made in the last 5 years :P
< 1328937218 929339 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha :D
< 1328937227 107401 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i see
< 1328937227 283480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which involved a manually patched version of the SQL dump over an /existing/ database structure with some tables emptied
< 1328937232 278363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'm trying to see if it actually worked :P
< 1328937278 562867 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1328937293 479681 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php?title=Fatmouse     looking good
< 1328937351 28626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, the login process is really broken since I don't have the user table
< 1328937355 794347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can log in as me, but it expires the next time i click any link
< 1328937363 324401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think nobody else can log in
< 1328937366 132566 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is the esolang wiki image some limes?
< 1328937380 569489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is
< 1328937383 811651 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1328937386 321341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stock image
< 1328937392 439219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with questionable licensing
< 1328937394 214535 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1328937401 63635 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed it's not someone's personal limes
< 1328937408 12524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's *someone's* personal limes
< 1328937412 404135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from one of those like stock photo farm sites
< 1328937417 777986 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328937418 668680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just contain a huge dump of images people upload under questionable licenses
< 1328937427 147543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect Graue got it from wikimedia commons
< 1328937433 133947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it was present but deleted for bad licensing
< 1328937466 68887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think this means I can massage a complete database dump from Graue into full working order
< 1328937472 738589 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it could use a new different logo pic
< 1328937488 596523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the limes :(
< 1328937503 260093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they'll need re-creating from the source image if we're using Vector
< 1328937508 507873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they have horrible white pixel fringing
< 1328937543 708947 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just google image searched it
< 1328937545 992339 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1328937547 49944 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many
< 1328937548 450372 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stock
< 1328937549 703177 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :photos
< 1328937578 685797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/babah/babah1004/babah100400002/6700020-cut-lime-and-branch-of-mit.jpg
< 1328937581 148535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's THREE DEE
< 1328937657 138315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the future, we need it at least 4d
< 1328937696 463613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like all the pages are in working order
< 1328937696 481698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1328937787 774202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i was just going to ask oerjan to try and log in to see what's up with the user table, too.
< 1328938179 180303 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the limes
< 1328938286 928267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so does anyone see any problems beyond what's reported with that installation?
< 1328938304 987940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's good, I'll tear it down and install another one for configuration testing
< 1328939828 136137 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! :D good to see you
< 1328939852 657027 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard you want to leave us
< 1328939881 798684 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dare you! do not!
< 1328939894 220428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only here to bother people to try and test this wiki installation!
< 1328939916 135548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you feel bothered.
< 1328939930 758100 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe.. kind of ;)
< 1328939956 284630 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you mlp, taking over the internets :/
< 1328939982 47281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1328939998 905472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hey, do the db import
< 1328940012 225827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thanks monqy.
< 1328940016 617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thonqy.
< 1328940041 151849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: try and log in to http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php?title=Main_Page please
< 1328940064 12415 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fsolana
< 1328940074 129559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self because i'll probably lose logs somehow: http://sprunge.us/URjN
< 1328940117 504578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Login error
< 1328940118 260639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no user by the name "Monqy". Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account.
< 1328940127 379004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no "monqy" either (I tried that first)
< 1328940140 791661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1328940145 966031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan "ostracise monqy": check
< 1328940164 840428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like I ever made any edits oh wait yes i did
< 1328940178 216987 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put "hello" on my userpage and reverted a few spam edits
< 1328940181 372630 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a good citizen"
< 1328940199 712887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll just have to revert.....
< 1328940201 2528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loneliness
< 1328940209 564099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :F:
< 1328940210 734634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1328940222 359853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh its 6 am and cold and i stayed up wrangling with a fucking sql file i hate life
< 1328940223 588007 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken poetry :)
< 1328940244 703619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1328940418 107329 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :DROP TABLE elliott
< 1328940439 615268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about to drop some tables, it's true
< 1328940453 992940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might even get flipped first
< 1328940529 921772 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nops,can't log in I think
< 1328940542 709448 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I probably forgot the password anyways
< 1328940544 291990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's expected, i just needed to check that the weird pseudologin was just for my account
< 1328940599 689491 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joker
< 1328940672 872457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was being serious though
< 1328940736 608549 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw however.. is it a newer version of mediawiki? or why not make it an 1:1 copy?
< 1328940784 257587 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are cleaning it up, are you?
< 1328940809 702689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a newer version, yes; the idea is to make sure everything works before asking graue for the keys
< 1328940818 898974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this analogy the keys are the full database dump)
< 1328940858 227894 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess the db structure is at least the same
< 1328940877 97974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's "sort of" the same
< 1328940886 421989 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1328940890 126827 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1328940904 406999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to start with a normal install of MW, clear some of the tables to free them up for replacement entries, drop another so it could recreate it with a years-old structure (as it expected that format to insert with)
< 1328940915 768002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run a patched copy (to remove table prefixes and DROP TABLE statements) of the SQL file
< 1328940923 569214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run the MediaWiki update script which churned for like four minutes
< 1328940930 988226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still only mostly works :P
< 1328940943 190350 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great :)
< 1328941047 111251 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything seems to work fine, at first sight
< 1328941069 852275 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried to edit stuff at all
< 1328941087 968598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edits ... might work
< 1328941096 842426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try, I'm scared to :P
< 1328941202 933281 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything OK
< 1328941229 284504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1328941267 510997 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :InvisiblePinkUni
< 1328941271 21808 :InvisiblePinkUni!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo
< 1328941287 689614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1328941344 521873 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i see is a tiny stylesheet error cutting of the bottom of the header title ('Esolang') on the main page :>
< 1328941402 247423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no. it's Fsolana now!
< 1328941415 796299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in #fsoteric
< 1328941520 630495 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsoterir
< 1328941560 561160 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4edd4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1328941684 557870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1328942084 200833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll continue this crap tomorrow
< 1328942085 3233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1328942540 303137 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :AhuraMazda
< 1328942786 6105 :AhuraMazda!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo
< 1328942875 789845 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1328943130 189927 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1328943170 515426 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-238.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1328943232 553680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot connect to the new wiki
< 1328943315 103345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong with this?
< 1328943511 288280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they add both the MediaWiki 
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< 1329202392 695915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we together invent the game where the board is a horoscope which updates in real time? Possibly even play the game in a moving vehicle and houses change due to that too... of course you require time limits for the moves so that you cannot simply wait for a very long time until the planets favor you. You can have cards to change harmonic factors and so on, or play by mail if wanted, etc
< 1329202470 418454 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Neutron Gem is worth 1 F$ - that is, any Neutron Gem owned by a Player can be converted by that Player to one Fourplay Dollar."
< 1329202487 302533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the amount that neutron gems are worth should be bumped up to encourage neutron gem use?
< 1329202552 612752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, neutron use
< 1329202586 392963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Fix captcha
< 1329202905 90773 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-249-30.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1329203132 652480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write some more quiz files for Internet Quiz Engine! So far is only three files
< 1329203168 388572 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fortune
< 1329203176 634429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​___                ___ \      d88888b            d88888b \    d888888888b        d888888888b \   888888888888b      888888888888b \  "d88888888888bd8888bd8888888888b' \   `d888888888   "8"   88888888b' \     `d88888'  __   __  `8888b' \        d88   /  | |  \   88b \       d888   :,-| |-.:   888b \      d88888   \_|_|_/   88888b \     d8"""8b   ' ___ `  d8"""8b \     :     __  d88888b  __    : \      ".
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< 1329203472 250603 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329203476 117126 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/fourplay/pieces/pieces.20s.html
< 1329203485 262173 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MoALTz 
< 1329203488 852681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoALTz: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329203517 367743 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of the Forcebeam Generator looks to me like it allows two FGs owned by different people to make a forcebeam
< 1329203525 400219 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the physical description seems to contradict that
< 1329203630 80265 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-233-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329203656 119364 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MoALTz_ 
< 1329203659 512243 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoALTz_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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< 1329204198 237560 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any friendly Piece adacent to a PrimeMover in the begining of its turn can move a prime number of squares in any single direction, provided all squares between its starting square and its destination square whose distance from the starting square is a compound number are unoccupied. "
< 1329204205 64021 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compound? Isn't it composite?
< 1329204244 589719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1329208552 445299 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1329215153 925360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo.
< 1329215202 419324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day
< 1329215593 425273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, is lambdabot down?
< 1329215605 832863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1329215987 724502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let n ∈ Z. Prove that 2 | (n⁴ - 3) if and only if 4 | (n² + 3).
< 1329216018 488740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: n^4-9 = (n^2+3)*(n^2-3)
< 1329216256 704211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noting that the factors are both even or both odd
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< 1329219382 197876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 isn't going to wake up for ages, is he.
< 1329219480 530143 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Split split splitadelphia
< 1329220156 829670 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
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< 1329222285 989052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the recent changes and wonders if the spam will reach an asymptote before elliott finishes the move

< 1329222303 766826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The spangularity? 
< 1329222324 164923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1329222327 76758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's when spambots become better than humans at CAPTCHAs.)
< 1329222358 828086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have ~2 days
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< 1329223340 4480 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides Spam, what else is annoying on the internet? I'd like to devise a lexicon of internet slang where such things are named after canned things that you can buy with food stamps :D
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< 1329223892 710609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you
< 1329223996 18218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire list of annoying things is itself annoying.  a calvin & hobbes strip comes to mind.
< 1329224073 359306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ how long do i have to sit here waiting for a birminghamite
< 1329224115 104780 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to find a recursive welfare food to represent the list itself… perfect
< 1329224118 126970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes ais523 alluded to my ~ expression in his reddit comment

< 1329224155 519622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: welfare recipients, soilent green.  hth.
< 1329224161 618121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y
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< 1329243388 636977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using monospaced fonts in section headers for his contract, like a boss.

< 1329243400 342276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should never be a web designer.

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< 1329243670 866107 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Then don't be a web designer.
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< 1329243754 574014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I won't
< 1329243864 729891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like deltaplex..
< 1329243899 542741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided against trying to compile it on windows versus the chances of me actually using it. but the concept itself is pretty cool to me
< 1329243905 435906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is partial to Courier

< 1329243914 373923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we're not talking about fonts
< 1329243928 669352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1329244409 980772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti www.braindamage.vg/
< 1329244421 801353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually took all that time for me to find it
< 1329244440 94421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait uh NSFW
< 1329244441 945399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidente
< 1329244449 827116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know...... i didnt know
< 1329244473 635989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the porn was posted on feb 12th
< 1329244492 401707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safer link is this one http://www.braindamage.vg/projects/
< 1329244602 722369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just posted with regard to using monospaced fonts on a webpage
< 1329245014 257039 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329245030 646161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think monospace (can) look good
< 1329245039 66484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I note that most websites do not use monospace fonts.
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< 1329248476 978162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you have to love the Internet: cia.gov gets DDOSed, Anonymous aren't entirely sure whether they did it or not
< 1329248477 333963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329248593 594653 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet that message goes roughly like this:
< 1329248598 827741 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Waaaah where are you?
< 1329248605 647212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it doesn't
< 1329248611 6620 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps*
< 1329248613 545809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about how stupid MediaWiki is
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< 1329248632 702498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why we should be using Hackiki >: )
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< 1329251942 425372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have now seen Repo
< 1329251955 90893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: context?
< 1329251970 992743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention that out of context, there are multiple ways to expand the last word
< 1329252008 170823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the genetic opera
< 1329252070 410825 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was /weird/
< 1329252071 672172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't know /that/ one
< 1329252097 653292 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoeYcnTHhSk&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
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< 1329253193 218042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Okay, this is getting a bit repetitive now: http://p.zem.fi/1wea
< 1329253316 774569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1329253363 285970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a new version of an earlier spam.
< 1329253366 295365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your identity/information's was used to dupe a Australia business man to
< 1329253366 606890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     the tune of $4 Billion Usd
< 1329253394 341914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably count the number of australians with $4 Billion Usd on on hand :P
< 1329253403 270230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the previous one had more pizzazz.
< 1329253403 828134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four BIIIIIILLIIIOOOON UUUUU SSSS DDDD
< 1329253412 228005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just /that/ trustworthy, that anyone can make anyone trust them simply by pretending to be me
< 1329253433 469919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. thats basically as rich as you get in australia
< 1329253459 53879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone here with $60 billion
< 1329254310 914364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329254361 833976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the new version of DF is out, and I am going to need help fighting my way through the inevitable library clusterfuck.
< 1329254623 268157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course I immediately discover that I can't even install packages because the mirror is down.
< 1329254630 48389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, help
< 1329254646 55000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to run fine for me
< 1329254657 840245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not running it on the same distro as me.
< 1329254666 95895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff
< 1329254675 618131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complaining about not having SDL here.
< 1329254825 832414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -Syu fails. I am so out of my depth I don't have a hope of getting it working before tomorrow.
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< 1329255066 849994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are all your options truely exhausted?
< 1329255076 611367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; I remembered Google.
< 1329255092 537042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is probably going to yell at me once he comes online, but Dwarf Fortress.
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< 1329255130 188295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he understands the importance of DF
< 1329255145 468655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dwarf fortress?
< 1329255157 802059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner..................................................
< 1329255164 904348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................................
< 1329255176 723675 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1329255179 46408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: one of the most crazy complicated strategy games ever invented
< 1329255191 34424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner doesn't know?
< 1329255191 53535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an old-fashioned ASCII interface, and yet manages to peg most modern CPUs
< 1329255196 41741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategy? sounds boring
< 1329255203 563847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, now I still can't install packages because of some signature problems.
< 1329255203 654996 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1329255210 184146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Minecraft is a poor ripoff of it
< 1329255213 13538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't played it but i've seen screenshots
< 1329255223 583854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ignore ais, it's the only strategy game ever where your units will decide to get drunk rather than fight.
< 1329256022 193766 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just thought up a fairly weird way for describing a shape (imagining it in 2d) which i will spell out
< 1329256376 377369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ I really do not understand pacman.
< 1329256409 974241 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what distro uses pacman?
< 1329256414 290463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch.
< 1329256501 596928 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so taking the unit circle as an example.. it can be said that for the interval [0,360] of all rotations of the unit circle, that the circle intersects x zero times at the intervals (−∞,-1) and (1,∞), once at -1, once at 1, and twice at the interval (-1,1), and that that the circle intersects y zero times at the intervals (−∞,-1) and (1,∞), once at -1, once at 1, and twice at the interval (
< 1329256501 687707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1,1),
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< 1329257027 581387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IM DF
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< 1329257758 895535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worldgen is a) way better and b) way slower.
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< 1329257921 900386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, it actually generates bibles now.
< 1329257949 511358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Komivak, "Throwsling", a platinum slab, which apparently has the secrets of life and death written on it.
< 1329258015 924697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [k]omivak
< 1329258057 949834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1329261576 141428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (head &&& length) . group $ ">>>>+++++------+++++------<<<"
< 1329261577 738110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [('>',4),('+',5),('-',6),('+',5),('-',6),('<',3)]
< 1329261588 719297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy BF compiler optimization, batman!
< 1329261821 30438 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src groupBy
< 1329261821 245864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :groupBy _  []       =  []
< 1329261821 476708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :groupBy eq (x:xs)   =  (x:ys) : groupBy eq zs
< 1329261821 663146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    where (ys,zs) = span (eq x) xs
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< 1329269223 975443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVG just ...replaced... by About:tab button with its own page O_O
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< 1329270089 205139 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329270657 392775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah does anyone know how to fix a hijacked About:Tab in IE 8 (hijacked by my _virus scanner_, no less)
< 1329270701 153786 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the bean dizzy?
< 1329270701 377219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*antivirus program
< 1329270713 801977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what the hell does that mean?
< 1329270718 442531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1329270738 805997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the answer either. (That is why I asked.)
< 1329270973 862502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is completely unacceptable, as it destroys my most frequently used button
< 1329271210 968424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What button is that?
< 1329271252 253992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new tab one to the right of the tab list, also ^T
< 1329271278 60421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally i found a directly relevant message
< 1329271361 51232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1329271390 686819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that _was_ reasonably simple to fix, once i found that.
< 1329271445 594531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329271448 275218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i won't have to hire a hitman after all, i guess.
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< 1329272909 853199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src minimum
< 1329272910 49429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum [] = undefined
< 1329272910 297002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum xs = foldl1 min xs
< 1329272917 869097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, why foldl?
< 1329272940 10077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src maximum
< 1329272940 202361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum [] = undefined
< 1329272940 504007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum xs = foldl1 max xs
< 1329273017 954332 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src min
< 1329273018 181122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :min x y = if x <= y then x else y
< 1329273042 874800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: because foldl is sort of tail recursive.  except you really want foldl'
< 1329273065 452759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1329273130 395648 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought foldr was the sort of tail recursive one...
< 1329273152 817671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, foldr is the productive one
< 1329273165 477782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only when the function used is lazy
< 1329273165 664521 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia
< 1329273195 323696 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :Guest94209
< 1329273221 325861 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: -
< 1329273223 150825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\n s -> show c++',':s) [1..]
< 1329273224 8997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
< 1329273224 410803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal `1...
< 1329273229 38132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\n s -> show n++',':s) [1..]
< 1329273229 896158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
< 1329273230 134652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal `1...
< 1329273234 585349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what
< 1329273241 294875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329273253 23795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\n s -> show n++',':s) undefined [1..]
< 1329273254 664066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28...
< 1329273747 703112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1
< 1329273748 614819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.718281828459045
< 1329273763 393757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 :: CReal
< 1329273764 213664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572
< 1329273940 422334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal is very cool.
< 1329273979 839564 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ln 2 :: CReal
< 1329273980 618249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `ln'
< 1329273988 96363 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 2 :: CReal
< 1329273988 847391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.6931471805599453094172321214581765680755
< 1329274133 941911 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showCReal
< 1329274134 766003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> CReal -> String
< 1329274148 373177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ log 2
< 1329274149 216167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "0.693147180559945309417232121458176568075500134360255254120680009493393621...
< 1329274167 67152 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does $ mean
< 1329274169 259459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> last . showCReal 1000 . log $ 2
< 1329274170 731780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '8'
< 1329274174 941277 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ x = f x
< 1329274184 456012 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ has the lowest possible operator precedence, and is right-associative.
< 1329274199 662330 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in contrast to regular function application, which has higher precedence than any operator, and is left-associative.
< 1329274213 323068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a syntactically different means of applying functions.
< 1329274237 154256 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it allows you to use function application as a function, thus passing it to other functions and stuff)
< 1329274248 617604 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1329274265 633657 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ($ 2) [abs, negate, recip]
< 1329274266 372905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2.0,-2.0,0.5]
< 1329274277 961457 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very good at thinking curriedly, so i'm not sure what it accomplishes in that call when you put it between parameters
< 1329274299 3867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :($ 2) is a function that takes a function and applies the argument 2 to it
< 1329274305 513010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ 2) recip
< 1329274306 310771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.5
< 1329274350 426312 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could think of the left-hand side of the $ as being empty, waiting to be filled in later.
< 1329274386 700038 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329274389 515086 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense now
< 1329274390 891369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+2) 2
< 1329274391 651972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1329274393 509738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier example
< 1329274410 993279 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a special form of operator syntax called operator sections
< 1329274421 336652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2) 2 -- *evil cackle*
< 1329274422 347770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -2
< 1329274428 345599 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo
< 1329274433 209304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't confuse him
< 1329274437 905136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1329274473 716162 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (5) 2
< 1329274473 902942 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest94209: also when you enclose a operator in parentheses it refers to the operator as a function.
< 1329274474 495736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1329274479 680152 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not confused :)
< 1329274485 429461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest94209: that's not a standard thing, btw
< 1329274487 293159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1329274488 156717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of lambdabot
< 1329274506 639380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 2 2
< 1329274507 435789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1329274525 587453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
< 1329274526 435087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1329274582 488684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in do id let in do id let in do let in id do let in id do id let in do id let in do id let in do id let in do id do id id id id id id id id id id id id  2
< 1329274583 378026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `let'
< 1329274596 747130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1329274600 167040 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh
< 1329274602 532916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that would work.
< 1329274605 552642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in do id 2
< 1329274606 318407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1329274611 508415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in let in do id 2
< 1329274612 231660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1329274619 719440 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I must have typed something wrong
< 1329274633 518502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the id let rings warning bells
< 1329274641 852592 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes.
< 1329274647 757989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, truly Haskell is a wonderful language.
< 1329274665 669426 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do 5
< 1329274666 438416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1329274694 361132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly be do would have the same problem
< 1329274714 452311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :be do?
< 1329274727 275790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do be do be do be
< 1329274728 231197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `do'
< 1329274733 382143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case () of {}
< 1329274734 250680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `}'
< 1329274739 867395 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible pun if it worked tho
< 1329274745 697581 :Guest94209!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia
< 1329274753 120646 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host
< 1329274753 307406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329274794 431694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is not Void, not that that works either
< 1329274986 682090 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1329277812 231548 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: CReal
< 1329277813 113617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841972
< 1329277856 549090 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000
< 1329277857 474776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1329277857 745717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (Data....
< 1329277875 922865 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ log 2
< 1329277876 808927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "0.693147180559945309417232121458176568075500134360255254120680009493393621...
< 1329277895 294826 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ pi
< 1329277896 288199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329277907 850175 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1329278122 921812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :== "3.6..."
< 1329278123 144693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510
< 1329278127 701852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :582097494459230781640argh
< 1329278134 91658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf irssi
< 1329278214 375437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406" == "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406"
< 1329278215 245427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329278293 902260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what would be nice is an irssi key combination which turned _off_ newlines until you're finished pasting
< 1329278335 596741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose rebinding ^J might work
< 1329278741 169272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329278763 899894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that automatically breaks lines that are too long to the right length at word boundaries
< 1329278770 376310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make one once but it is hard
< 1329279569 647617 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ 10*(pi-3)
< 1329279570 609853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "1.415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
< 1329279603 670700 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ 100000000000*(pi-3.1415926535)
< 1329279604 614244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "8.979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862...
< 1329279824 998834 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea how many digits it has?
< 1329280255 180373 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1329280391 291219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3 :: CReal) == (3 :: Double)
< 1329280392 160741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Number.CReal.CReal'
< 1329280392 435021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against infe...
< 1329280395 81601 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329280443 106647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :  pi = 16 * atan (fromRational (1 % 5)) 
< 1329280443 292860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                - 4 * atan (fromRational (1 % 239))
< 1329280453 693040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually computed
< 1329280456 307435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329280488 104718 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1329280493 989574 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1329280519 913219 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329280563 429155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CReal = CR (Int -> Integer)
< 1329280585 990829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that representation it won't even be cached
< 1329280589 848201 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just 4*atan(1)?
< 1329280606 387049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :converges too slowly, probably
< 1329280606 691415 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329280635 201902 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 1000 $ 4*atan(1)
< 1329280636 222430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280662 363270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that atan definition really could use some guards http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/numbers/2009.8.9/doc/html/src/Data-Number-CReal.html
< 1329280670 512399 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is that it calculated it to 1000?
< 1329280674 775386 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 100000 $ 4*atan(1)
< 1329280678 561407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280685 929012 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like yes hehe
< 1329280688 822986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 10000 $ 4*atan(1)
< 1329280692 548550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280697 418656 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 10000 $ pi
< 1329280701 212859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280707 242775 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 5000 $ pi
< 1329280709 563220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280714 573743 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 5200 $ pi
< 1329280717 25015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280720 43742 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 5700 $ pi
< 1329280722 921780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280729 84966 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 7500 $ pi
< 1329280732 885809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280735 914012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure lambdabot's timeouts are not that stable
< 1329280739 988228 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6300 $ pi
< 1329280741 497543 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1329280743 433754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280749 809327 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6700 $ pi
< 1329280753 643029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329280759 109011 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6700 $ 4*atan(1)
< 1329280763 23640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280765 2179 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6700 $ pi
< 1329280768 864634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280774 933986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see :)
< 1329280968 88575 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6700 $ 4 * atan (fromRational (1 % 2)) * atan (fromRational (1 % 3))
< 1329280971 938436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329280976 75468 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 100 $ 4 * atan (fromRational (1 % 2)) * atan (fromRational (1 % 3))
< 1329280976 929999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "0.596715500962747835751687566251669522596093586562952203060403924448942519...
< 1329280994 979058 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 100 $ 4 * (atan (fromRational (1 % 2)) + atan (fromRational (1 % 3)))
< 1329280995 876225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406...
< 1329281016 867911 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 6700 $ 4 * (atan (fromRational (1 % 2)) + atan (fromRational (1 % 3)))
< 1329281020 577309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329281082 535140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally taylor series converge faster the closer you are to the center point
< 1329281107 111126 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to want to do Haskell in Smalltalk

< 1329281141 343255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess that's better than LLScript or what it was called
< 1329281154 637622 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL?
< 1329281177 193705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did i give Sgeo a terrible idea there... never mind, it will be too horrible even for him.
< 1329281224 316985 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1329281246 141717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes
< 1329281467 1022 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net NICK :SussmanGroupie
< 1329281609 391374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329281688 291794 :SussmanGroupie!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net NICK :Nisstyre
< 1329281787 349582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured out how to make packages install include file for use with Hampp; it can be installed in $libdir/includes/hampp/ Is this correct?
< 1329283704 133168 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-121-214.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329283837 834591 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329283921 846790 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1329284482 964231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is omelette du fromage, thus voltage is fromage times currant. | Electric buns, all the rage.
< 1329285045 355648 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1329285339 600040 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329285854 172726 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329285968 146844 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329287831 145870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, you have to love the Internet: cia.gov gets DDOSed, Anonymous aren't entirely sure whether they did it or not
< 1329287866 531108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't anonymous more or less by design _fated_ to split into several disconnected pieces that don't know what the others are doing
< 1329287983 370534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm just /that/ trustworthy, that anyone can make anyone trust them simply by pretending to be me
< 1329287997 729995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rate that "plausible".
< 1329288123 764980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott is probably going to yell at me once he comes online, but Dwarf Fortress. <-- optimist.
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< 1329292279 561616 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz NICK :mj
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< 1329296155 634245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1329296195 565325 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohai
< 1329296547 181867 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1329297748 880279 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: DACHGESCHOSS
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< 1329302806 416299 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1329302847 542928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329302855 168985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll: is it Turing complete or Turing-complete?
< 1329302883 345098 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329302896 656529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: both, I think, but I see the hyphenated version more often
< 1329302924 492386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, it was a question of style
< 1329302930 385133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1329302933 572801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our article is [[turing-complete]] but our category is [[category:turing complete]]
< 1329302941 319122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find this unacceptable, so one of them has to change :)
< 1329302949 661694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because category names tend to use spaces, possibly?
< 1329302962 356843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... doesn't make any sense?
< 1329302969 973768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a bit of sense
< 1329302971 468275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not much
< 1329302978 94093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my supervisor just went and named the source language that my hardware compiler accepts
< 1329302984 57730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, [[Excela]] just got edited again
< 1329302985 498201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're going to call it Lusio
< 1329302988 370230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: spambot?
< 1329303002 510055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329303004 608561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no
< 1329303006 932177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most edits to the esowiki are spam nowadays :P
< 1329303008 10808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1329303011 946737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE TO MISLEAD
< 1329303021 307872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Lusio is a terrible name. thought you should know
< 1329303038 317867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm not paid enough to come up with /good/ names, or even names at all
< 1329303157 642413 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start writing php appz.
< 1329303193 470711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I might have to do that too
< 1329303220 812353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only things I can put on the webserver here that won't just be served literally are PHP and htaccess files
< 1329303261 575749 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mostly commenting on the "not paid enough" part of what you said
< 1329303296 81053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1329303734 646567 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, with the right experience you can get paid what, 10k euro/month doing that sort of stuff if you work hard. optimally this leaves 3/4 of the year for doing anything at all, while not starving yourself to death. maybe even do a research position in this time still earning some extra cash on the side, or hire assistants.
< 1329303789 716250 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite comfortable given that you are left with a situation of being able to devote yourself to your resarch in full without having to worry about anything.
< 1329304093 86752 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Excela keep getting edited?
< 1329304114 844900 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spambots seem to have an obsession with it
< 1329304133 619696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tzxn3: indeed, it's weird
< 1329304147 105742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from experience, if I lock the page, the spambots pick a different page and get obsessed with that one instead
< 1329304212 52376 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre
< 1329304280 491595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely
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< 1329309157 603903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, most insidious spambot yet
< 1329309160 79330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Lambda&curid=1640&diff=29854&oldid=24902
< 1329309168 789214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking to a Wikipedia mirror...
< 1329309237 295071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not convinced that was even a bot
< 1329309338 834696 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-26-80.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1329309511 756439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thought occurs from my attempt many years ago to learn C++
< 1329309524 521469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was with that system pause thing I seem to remember?
< 1329309595 199155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :system("pause") does something implementation-defined to "pause".
< 1329309605 707948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows it will run the pause command which says "Press any key blah blah blah" and waits for a key.
< 1329309622 482247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is used by very bad C++ tutorials so that you can double-click an executable without the command window disappearing at the end.
< 1329309693 533808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes
< 1329309758 696886 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is definitely the easiest to learn non-esoteric language I have encountered.
< 1329309764 917620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tried to learn
< 1329309768 804335 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that was the most annoying thing when i started developing on a windowing system
< 1329309780 210823 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a day or so to figure it out.
< 1329309809 381424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1329309818 613322 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i concur, other languages are fairly difficult to figure out
< 1329310595 155658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older tutorials from the DOS age instead all started with system("cls") to cler the screen.
< 1329310665 235143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the popular "Haskell is easier to learn than imperative languages"
< 1329310746 137587 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, carry oh
< 1329310749 617215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think understand the basics of Haskell took about as long as having a firm grasp of Python when I first started programming.
< 1329310829 115017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with (roughly) the same amount of effort.
< 1329310848 332485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is what they I already knew some of the basics of functional programming. How to write recursive programs, for example.
< 1329310862 231320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what they/that/
< 1329310895 37931 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything is Haskell is /more/ difficult to learn, or about the same.
< 1329310899 260843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :w0erkpiwo4ejw
< 1329310901 809413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkopwjetpiwe[0rowpoejt[woerpiowjret[ikwepirjwetwer
< 1329310917 720155 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just woke up. so 100% typo level is achieved.
< 1329311047 109753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely think it varies for different people, of course. If you have a background in esolangs and programming language concepts.
< 1329311057 560636 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course picking up Haskell was pretty quick.
< 1329311080 85434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people with mathematics backgrounds as well would likely find Haskell somewhat natural.
< 1329311116 845035 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329311154 697683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people with absolutely no experience in either programming nor mathematics would not find it natural at all to think about recursion, recursive ADTs, polymorphism, higher-order functions, etc. These concepts would take a lot of effort to really sink in.
< 1329311202 309395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329311217 722742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that my first programming language was imperative, and I struggle to understand the imperative bits of Haskell?
< 1329311226 681234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all.
< 1329311234 677210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell handles imperative code a bit differently.
< 1329311247 174677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the IO monad is a major stumbling block for many people. so that's pretty normal.
< 1329311268 24153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has issues with it as well.

< 1329311295 813896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I wasn't clear on the details. It sounds very hand-wavey for a while until I really bug in and looked at how it works.
< 1329311301 644767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had
< 1329311308 423018 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dug
< 1329311312 265287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for. fucks. sake
< 1329311317 706748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go eat breakfast and drink some coffee.
< 1329311344 419693 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drink coffee.
< 1329311356 395066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't eat coffee, either.
< 1329311365 979163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do both eat and drink breakfast, however.
< 1329311384 153318 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329311432 957192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is eating and drinking cereal

< 1329311461 496119 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brand of cereal I eat likely does not exist in the US
< 1329311480 463380 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329311490 330382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there's a reasonably similar analog.
< 1329311501 113381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible
< 1329311503 628195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is eating Rice Krispies(tm)

< 1329311508 991970 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those exist here
< 1329311519 980472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats Weetos

< 1329311522 551119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because it's American.
< 1329311527 858101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all American things exist everywhere.
< 1329311535 352405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329311587 959191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not true; I bet you guys don't have Quiktrip)
< 1329311595 321893 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it
< 1329311603 696351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I must go have a shower.
< 1329311610 361620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: CLEEAAN
< 1329311976 368577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quiktrip sounds like some brand name for DMT or something. "Quiktrip(tm) - when you just don't have the time for a full-blown trip."
< 1329312102 18258 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329312117 832629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a Seven Eleven
< 1329312121 540407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're... amazing
< 1329312144 13030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do all the stereotypical American things you could imagine
< 1329312222 306480 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy hot dawgs, huge 1.5 litre soft drinks, potato chips, coffee, energy drinks, and beer... all while filling your SUV with gas.
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< 1329318076 610225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xanxys.net/hs2bf/
< 1329318092 694364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you click one link today...
< 1329318333 749516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow.
< 1329318343 660997 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ... it actually works, doesn't it.
< 1329318366 619876 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda hard to tell because details are sparse, but everything suggests it's describing a working system.
< 1329318530 742702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced it has algebraic data type declarations, but it has lists and bytes, so you don't technically need 'em :P
< 1329318544 95703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it might be dynamically typed, so you could nest them.)
< 1329318547 507176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, it's... pretty impressive.
< 1329318579 684906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the worst part: it's been out since 2010, and nobody noticed
< 1329318813 398050 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, Japaneses are known for making awesome things out of nothing, but only available in Japanese. :S
< 1329318861 768702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthras1ir: That's why God invented Google Translate: so we could understand what they say even less.
< 1329318896 250348 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ..with a latency of approx. 2 years.
< 1329318906 822637 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 NICK :lifthrasiir
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< 1329323144 508075 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1329323614 392592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have any way of getting a list of potential spambots without the DB dump of users?
< 1329323621 188522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to get a list of users to delete before the DB itself
< 1329323689 873018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329323735 821408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1329324207 780178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't think of one
< 1329324218 163404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1329324240 540549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Do you feel like sifting through 2,000 names and telling us which ones are spambots?! It'll really help!
< 1329324240 842016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329324249 265779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there, I just halved the workload
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< 1329326177 936113 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329326178 183443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329326260 400216 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Solaris, for some crazy reason.
< 1329326306 602721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: WELL???
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< 1329326508 866448 :Taneb_!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tonight, got a party
< 1329326527 272476 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1329326552 674481 :Taneb_!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 NICK :Taneb
< 1329326557 629964 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a bad connection
< 1329326575 622597 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1329326647 647305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow???
< 1329326654 982132 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1329326659 505904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list looks like this:
< 1329326660 41695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=500&offset=0
< 1329326686 643939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 4.5 pages of that for you to go through.
< 1329326693 263250 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I do with them?
< 1329326703 563123 :Taneb!540d5a5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.90.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend Chad says hello
< 1329326715 162288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain that "205 buy insect repellant patch" is a legit user.
< 1329326718 222388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :List the ones that have red links, and look like spambots.
< 1329326727 242369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be liberal, i.e. list ones that you think might not be spambots.
< 1329326735 472681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with numbers in the name is suspect.
< 1329326765 794302 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly Ais523.
< 1329326771 781773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw that one out immediatemento.
< 1329326846 155544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Careful or you'll be assigned to the other half.
< 1329326963 899183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm cheese omelet
< 1329326972 906655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is definitely a spambot
< 1329327043 516775 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1329327053 803131 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the functional language similar to PD or Max/MSP?
< 1329327058 970568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feeling inadequate in bed? The ladies not appreciating your ... #esoteric special offer for #esoteric! For just $29.99, V|/\|>UCT
< 1329327062 347943 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a video demo of it a while back.
< 1329327085 677910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1329327158 689911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: impromptu
< 1329327166 740504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its lisp-like)
< 1329327214 191811 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean this? http://impromptu.moso.com.au/tutorials/time.html
< 1329327226 849175 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean this. the programming interface was purely visual
< 1329327351 847012 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1329327359 400961 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yaxu.org/some-videos/
< 1329327766 277268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1329327800 414395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :youd think a graphical coding environment would be /less/ opaque to the average observer
< 1329327803 420944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1329327816 492399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out its just the same
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< 1329329138 373322 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-054-156.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's even more opaque because his graphics engine is real weird.
< 1329330023 624772 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I forget that normal people put commas in their numbers to distinguish place values.
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< 1329331454 692668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We put commas in our numbers as the decimal mark, and sometimes periods as group separators.
< 1329332163 464345 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329332440 475522 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329332639 663451 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i correctly calculated the essentially different positions and paths for the first 3 moves of tictactoe on paper and i am quite happy that some website backs up my numbers.
< 1329332703 718474 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet i can't do algebra
< 1329332890 885471 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am slowly becoming a geek
< 1329333094 762803 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329333166 603525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1329333299 423897 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's really weird to me.
< 1329333304 549034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it appears to be a common convention.
< 1329333307 834948 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish does that, for example.
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< 1329337485 333264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of non-English-speaking Europe, pretty much.
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< 1329342095 308946 :Aardwolf!~BBQ@53-218.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, the wiki at esoteric.voxelperfect.net rocks, but, I looked under recent changes to see what was new, and saw nothing but SPAM and thousands of SPAMBOT accounts. Shouldn't the wiki be invite only (just require easy approval from a member that's all)?
< 1329342433 455561 :HalfTauRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared
< 1329342958 585104 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: they're changing servers..
< 1329342969 43961 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fairly active topic here lately
< 1329343014 452950 :Aardwolf!~BBQ@53-218.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! :)
< 1329343019 835722 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically.. they are as aware of the bots as a person can be aware of anything
< 1329343055 835102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that they're working on a custom captcha system to try to outsmart spam 
< 1329343056 86953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: invite only would be over the top
< 1329343067 28548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of easy ways to stop the spambot, but Graue is unwilling to implement any of tehm
< 1329343082 425331 :Aardwolf!~BBQ@53-218.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? No time or interest?
< 1329343084 979829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm cleaning the spam out by hand, all of it, and elliott's working on migrating the wiki to a new server where we can have all the antispam we want
< 1329343086 915639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: indeed
< 1329343107 91092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use the recent changes link on the main page? it has most of the spam edited out (by me, so you'll still see recent spam)
< 1329343107 327056 :Aardwolf!~BBQ@53-218.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thanks a lot!
< 1329343612 865233 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott as an expert googler you may find these googling challenges of interest: http://lifehacker.com/5885382/challenge-whats-this-musical-instrument-called
< 1329343613 186096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329343665 846408 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott oh but don't scroll down to the comments; they spoil it.
< 1329343666 85297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1329363606 633729 :PiRSquared!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :JarlaxleArtemis
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< 1329366456 332891 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1329369678 989682 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on, today?
< 1329369712 185236 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fd1d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1329369718 729770 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fd1d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there zzo38 ;)
< 1329370279 482619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1329370280 964334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1329370389 745679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: notch is going to fund psychonauts 2. does this sound good to you?
< 1329370423 401289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1329370430 858101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care much about that either.
< 1329370599 889998 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you would be happier with life if you played psychonauts. even if you are already happy.
< 1329370756 337800 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts is happiness-inducing.
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< 1329376031 644854 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1329376039 671767 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone is asking me to do their homework for them.
< 1329376050 685449 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is some random IRCer in the #squeak channel
< 1329376192 659389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money do you want to charge them for that?
< 1329376310 953268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel comfortable with the notion at all, really.
< 1329376319 987783 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were enough money, I ... might violate my principles.
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< 1329376492 897206 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say, the quality of the work is related to the quantity of the pay
< 1329376499 211580 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit pay == shit work
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< 1329382906 723438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: notch is going to fund psychonauts 2. does this sound good to you?
< 1329382938 889283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unqualified guess is that it will be all good as long as he stays out of the actual coding.
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< 1329389403 174098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am likely the only person ever to fall asleep at a UV rave and dream of lambda calculus
< 1329389473 69045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels a bit old now

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< 1329389498 787833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is UV?
< 1329389516 466509 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultra-violet
< 1329389527 102989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, in that context?
< 1329389538 670555 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they have a big UV light
< 1329389552 648963 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes everyone's shirts look purple
< 1329389622 720432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought ultraviolet was invisible, unless it caused fluorescence

< 1329389645 814095 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of shirts have flourine in them
< 1329389648 708846 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trainers
< 1329389681 997309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the sort of UV lights used at raves have significant visible violet components too
< 1329389696 387231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right, you can see the UV because of the fluorescence
< 1329389762 378458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1329389894 802014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Such fluorescence from certain textile fibers, especially those bearing optical brightener residues, can also be used for recreational effect, as seen, for example, in the opening credits of the James Bond film A View to a Kill."
< 1329389906 65088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of things are shiny under "black light".
< 1329389922 659216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course they make specifically fluorescent paints.)
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< 1329392518 904135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tell ehird some spambot usernames do follow a consistent pattern: one spambot alternates consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel, and is always 12 letters, with the 1st and 7th capitalised; another is always 4 letters, 2 digits, 2 letters, 3 digits, one letter; neither pattern is likely to happen for a legitimate user
< 1329392522 580263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ehird some spambot usernames do follow a consistent pattern: one spambot alternates consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel, and is always 12 letters, with the 1st and 7th capitalised; another is always 4 letters, 2 digits, 2 letters, 3 digits, one letter; neither pattern is likely to happen for a legitimate user
< 1329392522 894654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329392542 334264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't use that nick on irc
< 1329392583 361404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right, he doesn't
< 1329392584 832467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more
< 1329392589 202892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott some spambot usernames do follow a consistent pattern: one spambot alternates consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel, and is always 12 letters, with the 1st and 7th capitalised; another is always 4 letters, 2 digits, 2 letters, 3 digits, one letter; neither pattern is likely to happen for a legitimate user
< 1329392589 581541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329392610 907283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on freenode anyhow
< 1329392667 627881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other spambot pattern appears to be name+name+number, but the name dictionary is too large to match against
< 1329392681 743141 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The former seems normal enough, that's just two camelcased words like PiñataPirate or NovicePolice or whatever
< 1329392707 643574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: right, but when camelcasing two words, they tend not to alternate consonants and vowels
< 1329392718 504285 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those examples do
< 1329392718 729257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's potentially going to have false positives, but with Esolang's user count, it's unlikely
< 1329392726 820786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those users on Esolang?
< 1329392732 33839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I noticed they did)
< 1329392745 691937 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge, but I'm just saying that it doesn't seem unreasonable :-P
< 1329392750 517938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the first wouldn't be generated by the spambot as it only uses English letters
< 1329392770 426133 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just me being anal, most people would probably spell it with n instead of ñ
< 1329392778 994863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :añal, ok
< 1329392860 416167 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0% of my /usr/share/dict/british alternates consonants and vowels
< 1329392889 286447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as it would require two words, 0.04%
< 1329392899 388397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on top of that, they both have to be six letters long
< 1329392995 439963 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5% if y is a vowel here
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< 1329405145 607789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Of all the words in the Internet (okay, not quite all; all in a sample of one trillion) matching /[a-z]{6}/, 8.5% match /([^aeiouy][aeiouy]){3}/.
< 1329405190 62298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And starting with vowels?
< 1329405246 534216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not relevant if it alternates "consonant-vowel", but further 11.5%, in fact.
< 1329405333 277616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I'm miscounting a bit thanks to not-splitting. Just a moment.
< 1329405340 784495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was wondering about those numbers being so high.
< 1329405377 735137 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't clear whether it had to begin with a consonant or not.
< 1329405388 629283 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I counted both.
< 1329405490 724477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.5% starting with a consonant as before, but just 2.5% starting with a vowel; 11% in total. (The wrong wovel-count was because in /([aeiouy][^aeiouy]){3}/ the ^-part matched the \t after the word.)
< 1329405546 803136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't bother anchoring the match because "oh I already match [a-z]{6}, there's just one way (..){3} can fit".
< 1329405569 738732 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What proportion of the whole are the six-letters?
< 1329405605 923802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, 2.4%... but these aren't exactly "words".
< 1329405678 890747 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... probably isn't good
< 1329405795 921954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the longest "word" in there is "usr/lib/gcc/ia64-linux-gnu/4.0.2/include".
< 1329405802 626147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's actually sorta-amusing.)
< 1329405849 890054 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this corpus, the output of 'find' somewhere? :-P
< 1329405866 643171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Google's "1T" ngram corpus.
< 1329405876 182277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Catalog/CatalogEntry.jsp?catalogId=LDC2006T13
< 1329405909 505280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they've just cut everything to at most 40 characters, that was just the first -- actually, the most common, I'm using the sorted unigram file -- long enough one.
< 1329405917 173871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example is "pornopornopornopornopornopornopornoporno".
< 1329405956 739710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some others are "javax.xml.transform.TransformerException" and "searchgooglerssbusinessmicrosoftinternet" and "http://eprints.ictp.it/28/01/0004170.pdf" and "wp-includes/template-functions-links.php".
< 1329406045 133044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entire list: http://sprunge.us/BPLB
< 1329406059 256796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Numbers are the counts.)
< 1329406080 46266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(222 instances of "AMERICANWHISTLEBLOWERSEEKSASYLUMINCANADA".)
< 1329406192 437568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, usr/lib/gcc/ia64-linux-gnu/4.0.2/include is there over 200k times; and the 4.0.3 version over 40k. Those are the two most popular ones.
< 1329406200 459423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a bit of a messy dataset.)
< 1329406563 503045 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1329408079 903740 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1329408089 538071 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language designed for the implementation of esolangs
< 1329408322 370410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Cyclexa? admittedly, I never finished, nor even really started, that
< 1329408382 340070 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd need to be deques, I suspect
< 1329408418 134247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why something that specific?
< 1329408437 457971 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Versitality
< 1329408451 975146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be a stack, a queue, and (with some imagination) a list
< 1329408526 572825 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing tools would be very handy
< 1329408583 193842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I was thinking that a list-rewriter would be even more general, and can trivially implement a deque
< 1329408606 456435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a tree rewriter is more general than a list rewriter, and can also trivially implement a deque
< 1329408687 455438 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graph rewriter? Or is that too far?
< 1329408783 943671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1329409309 387030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys have a fun definition of language
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< 1329409510 937742 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, of course! This is #esoteric!
< 1329409541 307552 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an amusing thought, possibly relevant
< 1329409554 318606 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on?
< 1329409565 619309 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an etymology of identifiers
< 1329409583 848618 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate
< 1329409604 318425 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be language specific, or language global..
< 1329409616 688713 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for example.. the first instance of "counter" in a source code
< 1329409688 217610 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would basically be based on a large set of source code with date information
< 1329409785 801316 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could find out such fascinating trivia as.. in 1973 the identifier froompaloompa was first used (in our sample)
< 1329409937 244549 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo relevant
< 1329409949 29349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if NetHack invented the identifier monkey_business

< 1329409958 266409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems likely, it's an old codebase and it can't be a commonly-used identifier
< 1329410069 902494 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etymology is probably not the best term since people no doubt develop identifers independantly
< 1329410081 555894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im sure there is patterns and memes among them
< 1329410161 5368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Floating halfway between the surface and the ocean floor, anchored by steel cables in water 500 feet deep, the Mark VI would be positioned on the periphery of the gulf stream so as to sap energy from the currents via it's pivoting turbine,"
< 1329410161 310360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329410171 666759 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hampture guy is getting slightly unsettling.
< 1329410362 801841 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would also be cool is parsing using context-free grammars
< 1329410371 422098 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mmars/mmers/
< 1329410378 849679 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDO
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< 1329410919 409929 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :julian assange and eric schmidt maybe agrees on "If you have something that you don�t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn�t be doing it in the first place"
< 1329410946 708596 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, one is multi billionaire, another is in endless court cases
< 1329411134 359031 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is somewhat ugly, but I guess it works
< 1329411142 89603 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1. 2.} gather:[:oneortwo | 
< 1329411142 276413 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1. 3.} gather:[:oneorthree | 
< 1329411142 276611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{oneortwo + oneorthree.}]]
< 1329411148 918316 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(2 4 3 5)
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< 1329411803 950794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is dat sum smalltalk?
< 1329412162 689060 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how far did you get with Cyclexa?
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< 1329412180 791387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: as far as writing the parser, and it didn't even work
< 1329412214 825399 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Can I use the name?
< 1329412254 753564 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acutally, wait
< 1329412257 830215 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I think
< 1329412320 863353 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parser as in parser for the language?
< 1329412321 171484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use the name?
< 1329412335 618685 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I suck at making up names
< 1329412340 812466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cyclexa parser, that converts cyclexa source into a cyclexa parse tree
< 1329412346 267837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said, it didn't work
< 1329412352 812290 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the spec exists?
< 1329412357 771147 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/3395650
< 1329412487 478702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I'm not sure
< 1329412513 250173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1329412529 502215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I have an unfinished spec, here
< 1329412538 725385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't believe I'd have typed that line, so this must be autogenerated from something
< 1329412571 32949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's generated from docstrings in an impl
< 1329412638 532805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: http://sprunge.us/LKKD
< 1329412649 452562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how well the impl itself works, but it has a spec in embedded POD comments
< 1329412654 757384 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329412657 747172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you can read using, say, perldoc)
< 1329412665 760287 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1329412675 608195 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs198827.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329412691 167021 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329412863 725679 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs250487.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1329412951 590073 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs198827.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1329412975 592411 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs201868.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329413259 181651 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2004, the United States Department of State announced that as of 1 February 2004, all US diplomatic documents would use 14-point Times New Roman instead of the previous 12-point Courier New.
< 1329413263 321044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO, WHY
< 1329413306 312010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional font!
< 1329413317 177579 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use Comic Sans.
< 1329413320 406350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should use garamond
< 1329413320 940395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and times new roman is reasonably readily available for all sorts of platforms
< 1329413330 232171 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use Papyrus.
< 1329413337 792498 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, ninja'd
< 1329413340 457487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Courier New looks so good...
< 1329413346 547613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as a diplomatic document
< 1329413363 567404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you see that monospace you know serious shit is going down.
< 1329413371 232365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOW, I WILL WALK MY DOG
< 1329413379 188027 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1329414098 149713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where to find the Garamond font for use with Ubuntu?
< 1329414462 646504 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs201868.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1329414679 614049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329416522 235221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329416525 295285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone from Europe say "A".
< 1329416529 764767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone from the Americas say "B".
< 1329416531 207491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now.
< 1329416542 222732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only if you use the Esolang wiki.
< 1329416556 897272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Å
< 1329416567 294284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most European A.
< 1329416596 689092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually let me make this more precise: Esolang users: of london1.linode.com and newark1.linode.com, which has the smaller ping?
< 1329416651 571277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :London: 48 ms. Newark: 125 ms.
< 1329416674 790660 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fremont is pretty good.
< 1329416685 420428 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fremont1.linode.com
< 1329416691 431083 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered that one?
< 1329416696 314476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, fremont has >160 ms ping from here.
< 1329416726 988428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What ping do you get from london and newark?
< 1329417520 20427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the boink are you rambling about anyway.
< 1329417537 697721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually let me make this more precise: Esolang users: of london1.linode.com and newark1.linode.com, which has the smaller ping?
< 1329417578 182577 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understood that, but it doesn't really answer my question OHHH you're considering switching to linode.
< 1329417596 882224 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"considering"
< 1329417600 23125 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newark has far lower for me, but that's no great surprise.
< 1329417611 189704 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(30 Newark vs 110 London)
< 1329417627 569805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I already went with London, btw :P
< 1329417635 428943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your ping to esolangs.org, out of curiosity?
< 1329417661 754313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~60
< 1329417708 624303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh well, guess it's gonna get slower for you!
< 1329417714 857556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your ping to pyralspite.net?
< 1329417723 862013 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are considerations other than ping.
< 1329417732 323906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ~110
< 1329417742 332142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not any slower than it would get anyway, then!
< 1329417743 824017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there are.
< 1329417748 852076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I switched to Linode (CPU + disk speed).
< 1329418046 813655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :London 56, Newark 138.
< 1329418067 868014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :London is the devil.
< 1329418070 967168 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fremont 0.5
< 1329418091 86667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good name?
< 1329418097 149137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329418125 347059 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "eliot" is a pretty good name.
< 1329418128 909122 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's one of the best.
< 1329418153 859428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about naming, really.
< 1329418188 399184 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Monticello doesn't check to see if imported packages conflict with eachother when it comes to extension methods.
< 1329418190 923263 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not amused.
< 1329418199 63650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about, but eliot is good
< 1329418210 455969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I need to "name" a "Linode".
< 1329418211 559351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ping to pyralspite.net is 4.3 ms on average, if I ping from my prgmr host. :p
< 1329418219 312607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what time is it in America?
< 1329418226 659377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which america
< 1329418228 580716 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America o'clock.
< 1329418238 992680 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of namespacing would tick me off just a little bit less if there was at least conflict detection.
< 1329418251 311720 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could perhaps live without conflict prevention if there were at least detection.
< 1329418254 662074 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Å
< 1329418264 704264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1329418265 262979 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add it myself.
< 1329418269 264241 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to say Å.
< 1329418273 917809 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it meant something!
< 1329418278 486486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a place called Å in Norway.
< 1329418280 123271 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the sort of thing Smalltalk allows for, right?
< 1329418284 129033 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is from the Asia.

< 1329418298 43018 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why didn't us Asians get a letter?
< 1329418299 283517 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the IDE ticks me off, fix the IDE, sort of thing?
< 1329418300 29441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist?
< 1329418306 800969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll probably be stopping at Å on a trip soonishly.
< 1329418345 583515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One does kind-of wonder if they watch StargÅte at Å.
< 1329418372 610873 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Λ̊
< 1329418379 208903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP. I AM COMPLETELY UNABLE TO NAME THINGS.
< 1329418386 633988 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Naming things is easy.
< 1329418392 373068 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call the server @
< 1329418417 274090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it needs to run @ if it's called @.
< 1329418430 990801 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not *that* @
< 1329418434 182083 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly fizzie
< 1329418440 204702 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about @, not @
< 1329418449 355329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1329418453 16492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers calling it zenith for about 0.1 seconds before he hears Phantom_Hoover's smarmy voice in his head.

< 1329418459 335770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's going to look real silly when the context-insensitive @-renaming is done to channel logs.
< 1329418467 736035 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1329418479 784091 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think "eliot" is a pretty good name.
< 1329418493 325624 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait when did I do what about zenith.
< 1329418498 833791 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group "elliott"
< 1329418499 766129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["e","ll","i","o","tt"]
< 1329418500 536751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about "clyde"?
< 1329418518 796106 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map head . group $ "elliott"
< 1329418520 445799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "eliot"
< 1329418522 83483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map head . group . sort $ "elliott"
< 1329418523 698342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "eilot"
< 1329418538 747284 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-015-238.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329418594 835436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "elliott" !! 120
< 1329418595 722295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "toillet"
< 1329418614 509286 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg
< 1329418623 963462 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 == 11^2
< 1329418629 157013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence?
< 1329418691 103403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all guilty of treason.
< 1329418701 328776 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "elliott" !! 190
< 1329418702 114556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "toillet"
< 1329418703 759125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations <=< subsequences) "elliott" !! 87
< 1329418704 530459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "lol"
< 1329418705 558718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 = 190 QED
< 1329418731 959553 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (const "the devil") "elliott"
< 1329418732 781049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "the devil"
< 1329418743 709324 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations <=< subsequences) "elliott" !! 4370
< 1329418744 604635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "little"
< 1329418795 662776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott "little toillet" Hird
< 1329418796 604124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're horrible.
< 1329418808 440347 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott mad
< 1329418812 211125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations <=< subsequences) "elliott" !! 6404
< 1329418813 62384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "toilet"
< 1329418841 403741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "idiot" `elem` ((permutations <=< subsequences) ("ion" ++ "diot"))
< 1329418843 11985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329418844 275020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE??????????
< 1329418844 615797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1329418854 548216 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughed out loud

< 1329418854 734565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you say, onion.
< 1329418859 69262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "idiot" `elem` ((permutations <=< subsequences) ("ion" ++ "dit"))
< 1329418860 761611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329418862 111675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN MORE COINCIDENTAL???
< 1329418891 244003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "idiot" `elem` ((permutations <=< subsequences) ("ion" ++ "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"))
< 1329418895 54991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329418899 757792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Roger" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "Gregor"
< 1329418899 944451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww X-D
< 1329418900 872415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1329418904 982602 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: FAIL
< 1329418922 336590 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "rogerG" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "Gregor"
< 1329418923 306098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329418926 427816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE?
< 1329418970 615164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "tits" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329418971 686335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1329418995 134156 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh feh, not enough t's.
< 1329419028 942459 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "kill" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329419029 805786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419053 237256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "stalk" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329419054 607765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419060 586658 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "slit" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329419061 388161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419152 664112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ogre" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "Gregor"
< 1329419153 492325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419156 267967 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "slktls" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329419157 198185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1329419159 973734 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "esoteric" !! 15249
< 1329419160 160623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogre ergo gore
< 1329419161 67384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "erectios"
< 1329419169 565994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "slktl" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "kallisti"
< 1329419170 577772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419171 777161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Gorger" `elem` (permutations <=< subsequences) "Gregor"
< 1329419172 777461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1329419219 849850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If none of you come up with the best name I'll just go with zenith or something.
< 1329419228 197518 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "This is stupid" `elem` permutations "This is stuipd"
< 1329419232 29302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1329419247 283855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile they gave me A MONTH AND A HALF for $9????
< 1329419249 970891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST COMPANY
< 1329419258 811519 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Who? What?
< 1329419260 341122 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a month and a half TO LIVE
< 1329419267 511014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How 'bout ... esowiki. Y'know. Descriptive.
< 1329419270 719123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: VPSery. Linode.
< 1329419275 912850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm going to use it for other things too.
< 1329419279 529414 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1329419288 440873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't pay $20/mo to host esolangs.org.
< 1329419290 47024 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't get a month and a half. :-(
< 1329419300 927343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Order after the middle of the month, then.
< 1329419304 651962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For $9
< 1329419312 189961 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered after the middle of the month.
< 1329419313 751490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1329419317 170481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or is the wiki down?
< 1329419324 222729 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they just charged me extra to compensate or something.
< 1329419331 823106 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just you.
< 1329419332 506818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Check?
< 1329419335 205094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1329419338 792223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1329419340 612127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clear cache/
< 1329419342 741208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1329419350 314101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is up.
< 1329419357 693850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1329419366 100623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paranoid that, like, Timwi has been working behind our backs this whole time or something.
< 1329419370 436538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just you! esoteric.voxelperfect.net looks down from here.
< 1329419375 944813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you *sure*?
< 1329419378 597158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf?
< 1329419382 316424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm going to esolangs.org
< 1329419394 535855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it works from esolangs.org.
< 1329419396 153015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting.
< 1329419398 90918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was going to esolangs.org

< 1329419398 641328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the domain lapsed.
< 1329419402 634770 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But esoteric.voxelperfect.net works fine for me too.
< 1329419407 32572 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is the place to go.
< 1329419416 701434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, not expired.
< 1329419422 852981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ works.
< 1329419424 84781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird.
< 1329419434 499101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have been a momentary tube leak.
< 1329419488 34767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1329419493 303252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garamond > Times New Roman
< 1329419533 839782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder to what extent human opinions are just based on partial orderings..
< 1329419580 981602 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate 140%.
< 1329419603 905127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beyond my percentage threshold of 100%
< 1329419674 585899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, seriously, VPS names, man.
< 1329419686 78761 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en 500
< 1329419696 447263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't necessarily remember how that program works ...
< 1329419699 948587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option en is ambiguous (eng-1m, eng-all, eng-fiction, eng-gb, eng-us)
< 1329419707 627023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --en-all 50
< 1329419712 69065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: en-all
< 1329419716 587302 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50
< 1329419724 858189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoff satinfti pevellowe roy rahelio durche lubim casiva porevi medange hemb kar lept iar nut poln zer tervile zeitutatesla acque immell uma sexyliccipie myxo versainvoq
< 1329419743 296494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :casiva, medange, tervile, sexyliccipie, myxo
< 1329419745 542734 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ all good
< 1329419751 688879 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly like "medange"
< 1329419752 311949 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should use "eliot".
< 1329419782 269175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeitutatesla
< 1329419784 61697 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is where it's at.
< 1329419815 384135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexylicciple
< 1329419822 560178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "sexy licky pie")
< 1329419828 922503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1329419834 118057 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vire
< 1329419835 521772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50
< 1329419839 670651 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hambschcls roudgerlessoilly acion malls sa sion pui habas copattinght kurruchorpsediani stivenseri poildeneechogiumfs wibly chwendemayleraii castrikatindo mast res pread araae keifcher pric ades obrace pet meadzy dinactes nantentumoyahnonquifecoa arickerifingbatorfineuentatichecois agne sa fa sadi cd hatm warnwhivemes lectibs colicieraiket cheamanchemeimaurremanneenreiit basha our moweneus pris dompeci backehownepte
< 1329419854 714313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheamanchemeimaurremanneenreiit
< 1329419885 529482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it in America?
< 1329419886 500558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor.
< 1329419886 687475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu
< 1329419887 554535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time.
< 1329419898 60254 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 2PM
< 1329419900 617981 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+18 minutes
< 1329419902 450611 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50 < monqy> which america
< 1329419903 673229 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EST
< 1329419910 374184 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this America it's 11:18:28.
< 1329419913 525422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one Graue is in./
< 1329419926 33626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is in the America on Saturn.
< 1329419927 416567 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the time on the best coast.
< 1329419929 101755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minneapolis, apparently.
< 1329419929 303877 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's hard to convert.
< 1329419933 622323 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor provided the time on the least coast.
< 1329419934 936987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1pm.
< 1329419935 479490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am disagre
< 1329419953 311655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am in total agreement on your partial ordering of coasts.
< 1329419995 645959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in //
< 1329420021 512724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Excuse me. I believe I provided a lattice.
< 1329420058 912113 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You only provided top and bottom, so really you provided neither, unless I am to conclude that you refer only to American coasts and hence you have specified all elements in the set.
< 1329420084 838436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you only provided a lettuce.
< 1329420088 457983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any others?
< 1329420091 118357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Linode is pretty awesome, btw.
< 1329420093 822044 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :== ion
< 1329420104 681376 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these coasts seem poorly defined.
< 1329420106 126821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More than prgmr?
< 1329420106 557031 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long are they?
< 1329420126 987732 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ∞
< 1329420129 300930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are they located?
< 1329420138 760630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the best and in the least.
< 1329420159 796852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1329420171 67589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFTW inexplicably comes from the east coast, IIRC.
< 1329420181 26571 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I hate you all.
< 1329420182 807478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To that end,
< 1329420183 605578 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The east coast is in the west.
< 1329420184 657159 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship
< 1329420194 116464 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is all in the west.
< 1329420203 939451 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the definition.
< 1329420209 669033 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're in Japan
< 1329420215 47113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then east is the best way to go
< 1329420218 876623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're in Japan.
< 1329420238 690765 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Japan also in the west?
< 1329420252 619525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're in Japan, in which case America is big. (All is big in Japan.)
< 1329420331 989203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329420362 814031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Name. Now.
< 1329420393 977350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /q oerjan
< 1329420398 588238 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1329420404 197614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1329420414 516885 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Come on, what was wrong with medange?
< 1329420423 454342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melange.
< 1329420433 392732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate everybody.
< 1329420434 276946 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wasn't so busy embodying simple human compassion I would /nick medange RIGHT NOW
< 1329420441 733816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eliot
< 1329420450 843689 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make it some untypeable Unicode thing.
< 1329420463 533701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :== oerjan
< 1329420466 485105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we naming?
< 1329420475 189961 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's new server.
< 1329420478 557667 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're naming it "eliot".
< 1329420484 342231 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By force of oerjan.
< 1329420485 889478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melange's appropriate if you run lotsa things there.
< 1329420554 332263 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexyliccipie is appropriate no matter WHAT you run there!
< 1329420583 544580 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329420589 103746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :herte iore wimmyoe chley maje denmi bookii togeneth grachoug bie sperine etrimsta docutin coit deli warkman ravitl okmarlll uision pitter acco lof luoria matti callipio
< 1329420606 933482 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"warkman"!
< 1329420608 373583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You saw that in the logs, right?
< 1329420612 888950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: it was "ple".
< 1329420617 983264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw what
< 1329420622 966290 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No it wasn't!
< 1329420633 757606 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "sexyliccipie" <-- I just copied this right off HackEgo's line.
< 1329420650 45703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right you are.
< 1329420659 545413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all --eng-us --eng-gb --eng-fiction --finnish --norwegian --swedish --spanish --french
< 1329420662 382928 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all --eng-us --eng-gb --eng-fiction --finnish --norwegian --swedish --spanish --french 50
< 1329420677 956153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kray
< 1329420683 698153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kray
< 1329420683 884881 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mächs eiieweddyna ipsbått oför hjjo tappenne majoute soupho bilda liin ländlig omfil møble flaron hclback uisbau maunikolage mawoklas bible ldingendrite kkp elek fabu velle reminizestistam
< 1329420696 227166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kray superkompüter
< 1329420697 916574 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldingendrite!
< 1329420699 79048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfil
< 1329420720 551108 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bible! Nowait
< 1329420733 397091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you been in Å? 
< 1329420742 191867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think so
< 1329420743 219328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the omfil kray møble superkompüter
< 1329420778 880351 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently located in Ldingendrite, Flaron
< 1329420787 286082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We thought we'd stop by. Well, if "by" is the right word, it seems to be a rather end-of-the-line place.
< 1329420794 514536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1329420797 836873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, iirc
< 1329420798 983306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \  \ options: \   -l, --list             list valid datasets \   -d, --debug            debugging output \   -N, --dont-normalize   don't normalize frequencies when combining \                          multiple Markov models; this has the effect \                          of making larger datasets more influential \   -o, --target-offset    change the target length
< 1329420804 756979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Å is an actual place?
< 1329420806 488229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --list
< 1329420810 126005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1329420816 503244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/A_view_2009.JPG
< 1329420833 779840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all --eng-us --eng-gb --eng-fiction --finnish --norwegian --swedish --spanish --french --polish --irish --german-medical --german --italian --eng-1M 50
< 1329420850 649560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :prestadiaa soideaload gerrsnipora anx gibthat fibricleet schono sogachaiz macsidalletste widoikoku hønskoemera var zúnnal amcicerrify kobaradi czakropcn eplyyoeplor twardinglykel sektrai hofyuehusageti uanalte desierwritę nvoichlässteratlanon fiscalac cdingue
< 1329420851 856906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a place called Ii in Finland.
< 1329420864 978349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibthat
< 1329420866 23430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1329420867 641706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gibthat
< 1329420877 109696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibricleet hahahahahaha
< 1329420887 459184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, you still haven't presented anything better than zenith.
< 1329420891 212662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T BOOT THE SERVER WITHOUT NAMING IT
< 1329420900 412677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes it is
< 1329420900 794647 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, excuse me, sexyliccipie
< 1329420915 390062 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For generations of Americans, the famous Zenith name has been synonymous with quality and innovation over the past nine decades. 
< 1329420919 569631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ii's right south of Yli-Ii, lit. "Over-Ii".)
< 1329420921 522698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith is so, normal
< 1329420929 47452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Y in france
< 1329420933 751363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically anything `words generates is an excellent server name.
< 1329420938 995943 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329420961 116092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Electronics thing.
< 1329420970 711932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :twardinglykel
< 1329420980 232643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words
< 1329420980 638792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words
< 1329420981 131939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words
< 1329420981 680678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words
< 1329420982 19724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words
< 1329420990 814443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuf: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory
< 1329420995 741182 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329420998 715160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Fix that.
< 1329421005 843026 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think I am, magic?
< 1329421008 212938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls share
< 1329421010 411666 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum ohgodthisjokewassobad*
< 1329421017 366774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crying
< 1329421021 107187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( :'( :'(
< 1329421022 327676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordData \ awesome \ construct_grams.pl \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ units.dat
< 1329421022 642336 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: fix hackego being slow
< 1329421029 836079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually going by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_short_place_names there's like seven Ås in Norway.
< 1329421031 890083 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Fix your face.
< 1329421058 992129 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run aspell dump master en | head
< 1329421064 24676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment!
< 1329421064 463827 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment!
< 1329421064 997093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly.  i am assuming you are referring to the one in western lofoten
< 1329421076 794666 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... uh oh
< 1329421078 498211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment!
< 1329421078 686013 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment!
< 1329421078 872568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment!
< 1329421094 326624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the one there near the tip.
< 1329421098 462029 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch-railway-station-sign-2011-09-21-GR2_1837a.JPG
< 1329421100 915720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo oops
< 1329421104 443799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1329421144 145639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh heh "seven Ås in Nååååååårway" heh heh.)
< 1329421156 575280 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -hs .hg/
< 1329421156 761733 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127M    .hg/
< 1329421156 948462 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ df -h .
< 1329421156 972426 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
< 1329421156 993650 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :none                   23G   21G  492M  98% /dev/pts
< 1329421158 264113 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk
< 1329421179 16241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, we've surpassed 21GB?
< 1329421181 193328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievable
< 1329421202 177761 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's not just esostuff. Or even mostly esostuff.
< 1329421221 861361 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well then, delete all the porn and everything should be fine.
< 1329421307 805482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete all the pony porn, right
< 1329421337 549620 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no
< 1329421343 203616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be unacceptable
< 1329421345 737488 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else can go.
< 1329421358 197175 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I make my living, man.
< 1329421360 250205 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be cruel.
< 1329421364 589602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that should get it down to 19 G
< 1329421367 232576 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esostuff has a habit of not taking up much diskspace i think
< 1329421372 696588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GB
< 1329421407 727334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: except for unary
< 1329421409 645092 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50
< 1329421416 998731 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to make a programming language in which source code consists of full Nicholas Cage movies concatenated.
< 1329421418 642994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess unary might compress well
< 1329421421 81233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mim naste condike liza pered bejm uffsonvict fabren fuo drifc apprepara behm conftered afsubsti ashan halite distad hydro slxt ogy dire ibv luuge micksfora vib
< 1329421433 622052 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well kallisti's project is an exception
< 1329421435 830492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban everyone who says anything that isn't a hostname suggestion.
< 1329421441 700448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's called life.
< 1329421451 556617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's how babies are made.
< 1329421458 698986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely no one has done such a thing
< 1329421460 263743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just feed Nicholas Cage films into a machine.
< 1329421474 816512 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hostname suggestion is: I think I'll just prefix all lines like this, so it's clear that literally everything I say is a suggestion for a hostname.
< 1329421481 259534 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hostname suggestion is: That way you can't complain.
< 1329421492 290151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they have to be syntactically avlid.
< 1329421493 609757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*valid
< 1329421501 974377 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout "avlid"?
< 1329421516 12947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :avlidna datorer
< 1329421551 961694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(avliden is swedish for "passed away")
< 1329421553 401615 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.microsoftware.com
< 1329421569 259057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you all so much.
< 1329421587 731494 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives a 404
< 1329421590 37033 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-?
< 1329421596 60844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...ehird?
< 1329421597 764397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that taken?
< 1329421606 932138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about: eeehird
< 1329421610 48751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apeiron
< 1329421618 704457 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eliot
< 1329421620 786227 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already thought of ehird but i had the foresight to not say so
< 1329421628 673646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You don't name your server after yourself!
< 1329421632 544216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK why.
< 1329421634 524683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I do.
< 1329421641 220276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti.something
< 1329421641 542240 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck does it need a "why"?
< 1329421668 724750 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout matrixofsolidity?
< 1329421694 236332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the esoteric source of everything
< 1329421695 284456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what "matrixofsolidity" is.

< 1329421699 328201 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I asked before.
< 1329421701 793930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ape-iron.
< 1329421716 116799 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: By not knowing, you are acknowledging that you are locked in your matrix of solidity. Hopefully you enjoy it there.
< 1329421719 484196 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote treeder
< 1329421721 267659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspect you of punning.
< 1329421727 608962 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :296)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1329421749 13830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeiron_(cosmology)
< 1329421755 919463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solidity" is vaguely tempting >_>
< 1329421763 425750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a "yes, of course")
< 1329421774 205475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi
< 1329421776 739127 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329421791 408541 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of solidity is a perjorative... so i don't much like reading it
< 1329421792 298974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you see
< 1329421796 744999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the esoteric source of everything.
< 1329421804 353609 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually, legitimately think that matrixofsolidity is a good name.
< 1329421815 123253 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^pej
< 1329421820 192711 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: It's too long.
< 1329421831 245651 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity
< 1329421833 152163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: It would be "solidity" if anything.
< 1329421834 45788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :296)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1329421835 504042 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote name
< 1329421838 429640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 86)  Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. \ 228)  Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 231)  Is there a name for
< 1329421848 70142 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "solidity" isn't the joke :(
< 1329421861 140122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's literally the source of everything in some ancient greek cosmology
< 1329421876 658810 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [n]ame suggestions
< 1329421878 108254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :professionaloctopusoftheworld.com
< 1329421883 401291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that isn't esoteric i don't know what is
< 1329421883 790439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, apeiron is one of the people in those Ruby channels.
< 1329421887 490885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it sounds familiar.
< 1329421888 229550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no.
< 1329421900 920166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK zenith or solidity voting starts NOW.
< 1329421908 915636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1329421909 380170 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandwichthecardgame.com
< 1329421912 330984 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you kidding me? These are both the worst of all possible names.
< 1329421918 233840 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add elliott_server_name
< 1329421918 546843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added new poll: "elliott_server_name"
< 1329421926 741304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1329421927 56652 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@option-add elliott_server_name zenith
< 1329421927 363516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1329421930 842003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing?
< 1329421933 865756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list poll
< 1329421934 191798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove
< 1329421940 104039 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329421942 2761 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name zenith
< 1329421942 337730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "zenith", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329421944 428446 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name solidity
< 1329421944 721343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "solidity", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329421946 828175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Name for elliott's server, please.
< 1329421947 37267 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seen enigma? me, codeburnt?"?
< 1329421948 841549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you delete polls?
< 1329421950 78385 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote elliott_server_name zenith
< 1329421950 331649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "zenith"
< 1329421958 911263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Go on then.
< 1329421963 89081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name professionaloctopusoftheworld.com
< 1329421963 417903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "professionaloctopusoftheworld.com", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329421965 299586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, "codeburnt".
< 1329421974 179180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codespeak.net/cliki.tunes.org/codeburnt.html
< 1329421985 457226 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot suggests "codeburnt"
< 1329421986 18710 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: i wait with bated breath", by the way, were you also interested in my perceived problems with the java server vm. they aren't dynamically scoped. you use the rule for it
< 1329421991 539265 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like codeburnt :)
< 1329422005 330399 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh piff
< 1329422009 642707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, everyone's *some* dude.
< 1329422018 197048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329422019 103984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329422019 317453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329422019 656310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329422029 832306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How about something more original: Why must you always just ape others?
< 1329422030 346620 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but perhaps dr. frankenstein was actually swiss...), list'1 (... neg-list1...) and then couldn't understand what ' commercial' here is the spec? or interpreters?
< 1329422032 48830 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Obviously he has some kind of *problem* with randomly-generated words.
< 1329422040 154999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tulaen bilin ambeza modi ighbora eftide broot deute ree thod chloe bro krabulati instro durma buch earlon magib hyposschckcoundei phlettefu amef pacilled pence courany qui
< 1329422042 126285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :diptovsmic kcolong aurobeje isden afragge bour lingig unworke bookite chadr hebbe mans diation inta weenen proconveu diren vallie maia barru meth comp dum comesvill patrite
< 1329422043 699159 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :juuriment conrothet rated ancheuer dam deep myllium thut undesii cons paiace hum misshium omni death jambe iin codium larelit hoke nepha notf straisoo cavainequia pvz
< 1329422043 942741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lent ben iilo raterciz addein foagham drawed bore montio agita coaunsnr majot macoved rised ranz kance clava cable koor icseph curtl lico flusor lacite rochrcelric
< 1329422066 608500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name meth
< 1329422066 887822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "meth", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329422074 365688 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name bro
< 1329422074 615641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "bro", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329422076 720978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove elliott_server_name
< 1329422077 10434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll should be closed before you can remove it.
< 1329422079 103288 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add elliott_server_name fsvoesolang.com
< 1329422079 406887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "fsvoesolang.com", added to poll "elliott_server_name".
< 1329422081 11286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-close elliott_server_name
< 1329422081 260484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll "elliott_server_name" closed.
< 1329422082 427535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove elliott_server_name
< 1329422082 722020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll "elliott_server_name" removed.
< 1329422092 360827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacite
< 1329422095 414038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :foagham
< 1329422097 351062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1329422098 545572 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawed
< 1329422102 427720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :clava
< 1329422104 825047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons
< 1329422105 746519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omni
< 1329422106 274289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :death
< 1329422107 40487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1329422110 567245 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fsvosolidity
< 1329422112 692809 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambeza
< 1329422112 879510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ben
< 1329422117 863163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bore
< 1329422118 284056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kal vas flam.
< 1329422122 436910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookite
< 1329422127 249054 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chopin
< 1329422131 500981 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :balakirev
< 1329422136 781740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :myllium
< 1329422140 715331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :codium
< 1329422144 17952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :straisoo
< 1329422184 699722 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chimicherrychanga
< 1329422193 125592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grong
< 1329422204 533452 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rochrcelric is so close to being =  rochr cleric
< 1329422238 16207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :codium isn't bad
< 1329422262 299034 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schoolcraft.
< 1329422262 534397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turium codite
< 1329422274 984359 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list-poll
< 1329422275 235742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1329422277 94326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list
< 1329422277 347436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["ConfusedWithVixenSituation","best-programming-language","food","naming","president","remove@src","sleep"]
< 1329422286 616878 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything should be named after a county in Michigan.  Schoolcraft is a county in Michigan.  Therefore, everything should be named "Schoolcraft".
< 1329422335 81580 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :schoolcraft sounds like some kind of educational game that's a knockoff of (war|star)craft
< 1329422335 384547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but we have already established that the best county name is "finnmark".
< 1329422365 625871 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :worldofschoolcraft is the associated MMO
< 1329422366 347320 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I was thinking educational Minecraft.
< 1329422370 776811 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.  Wikipedia says that a lot of Michigan's counties' names were just made up by one person.
< 1329422376 701098 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1329422376 887405 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That person happens to be Henry Schoolcraft.
< 1329422386 352363 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1329422399 378403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result president
< 1329422399 707694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for president (Open): copumpkin=3
< 1329422422 706157 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-programming-language
< 1329422423 67393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-programming-language (Open): PHP=1, Coq=0, Agda=0, anything-else=0, Haskell=0
< 1329422427 627624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, but we have already established that the best county name is "finnmark".
< 1329422429 729362 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1329422431 702304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that a dare?
< 1329422435 160098 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add best-programming-language COBOL
< 1329422435 483681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "COBOL", added to poll "best-programming-language".
< 1329422437 408196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sourcereal
< 1329422440 118356 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-programming-language COBOL
< 1329422440 377149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "COBOL"
< 1329422441 646866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you wish
< 1329422453 37286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnmark would be too confusing.
< 1329422455 868920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal too.
< 1329422470 427880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :codium
< 1329422471 373077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. seeing as how sourcereal is zzo's
< 1329422473 444995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, you've yet to propose anything better than zenith or solidity.
< 1329422497 346580 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are both so bad that random strings of characters are almost assured to be better.
< 1329422501 948479 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, sexyliccipie is better.
< 1329422526 281864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nadir
< 1329422566 104524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's what we are rapidly approaching here
< 1329422583 434687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey, it's not random!
< 1329422594 392148 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No, but it's better than random.
< 1329422625 723635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"random".  hth.
< 1329422644 261177 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is sexyliccipie, thus voltage is kink times currant. | Electric buns, all the rage.
< 1329422728 242597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like you all WANT the Esolang wiki to be overrun with spam!
< 1329422745 330628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U NO LIKE OUR SUGGESTIONS
< 1329422746 358689 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I run a pastebin. How do I make it not be filled with spam?
< 1329422749 25441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I "run" it.
< 1329422759 560970 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "zenith"
< 1329422761 863940 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith++
< 1329422766 322752 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma zenith
< 1329422766 574661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith has a karma of 1
< 1329422771 306459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bayesian filter dawg
< 1329422775 30360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a box called 'random' once.
< 1329422779 598715 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do minimal work.
< 1329422783 744183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pastebin is one short script in Perl.
< 1329422787 144900 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bayesian filter library dawg
< 1329422806 883996 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It handles concurrency by writing out a lock file containing the last paste id.
< 1329422809 673251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dawg"
< 1329422821 743675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://search.cpan.org/~kwilliams/Algorithm-NaiveBayes-0.04/lib/Algorithm/NaiveBayes.pm
< 1329422826 618883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I run a pastebin. How do I make it not be filled with spam?
< 1329422833 345364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Cptppatpaptaptaptpatcha?
< 1329422834 945304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No web-form for submitting pastes sounds like a spam-free solution.
< 1329422843 563694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet you're only ironically proposin zenith. :(
< 1329422846 50079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Let me guess, h2g2?
< 1329422855 404724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want spammers not to care. :-(
< 1329422863 574620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "acme"
< 1329422883 191333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Your guess, it is correct.
< 1329422884 754923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://search.cpan.org/~kwilliams/Algorithm-NaiveBayes-0.04/lib/Algorithm/NaiveBayes.pm
< 1329422897 646457 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds complicated.
< 1329422911 64293 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo cpan Algorithm::NaiveBayes
< 1329422919 269530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Algorithm::NaiveBayes
< 1329422932 851173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :our $bayes = Algorithm::NaiveBayes->new;
< 1329422982 340476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$bayes->add_instance(stuff)
< 1329423024 847458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each time you get a paste you add an instance, 
< 1329423061 552589 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time.
< 1329423067 428528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means, like, state and stuff, right?
< 1329423069 657642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus training the filter that every single paste is not spam.
< 1329423075 891378 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol, yes.
< 1329423079 300111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering what the heck elliott wants from a name

< 1329423081 114035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to train it first.
< 1329423091 291891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows what elliott wants from a name.

< 1329423098 649054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and yes that's state and stuff
< 1329423098 915082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "awesome"
< 1329423109 859183 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :save_state($path)
< 1329423110 750741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :This object method saves the object to disk for later use. The $path argument indicates the place on disk where the object should be saved:
< 1329423119 142497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I want Goodness.
< 1329423121 110616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"acme" is not Good.
< 1329423131 272139 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the object handles the state stuff for you.
< 1329423135 124642 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :botproofwiki.com
< 1329423136 594494 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're looking for the name of a server?
< 1329423143 744603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A captcha is minimal work.
< 1329423148 999020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "nirvana"
< 1329423149 185442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'll need some way to manually designate spam, or have a huge dataset of existing spam to train it.
< 1329423149 810440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please enter 'aargh': [       ]"
< 1329423157 688502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they start solving that, then... do something else.
< 1329423169 192225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "singularity"
< 1329423175 967038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. These are all terrible.
< 1329423179 866347 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "gladwin".  This is my only suggestion.
< 1329423188 700765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have basically no relevant meaning or conntoation apart from being a pretty name.
< 1329423198 995716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Thank you for you contribution to the pile of rejected names!
< 1329423204 722204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome.
< 1329423211 445978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret to inform you that I will not be contributing further.
< 1329423217 630463 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "kustler".
< 1329423223 281344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wants something that a) conveys intelligence b) is minimal c) is short d) has a strong impact when read
< 1329423224 52212 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The script is 80 lines.
< 1329423236 453178 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329423237 664955 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally botproofwiki isn't taken.. but such a naming scheme is how i ended up with this monstrosity of a nickname
< 1329423239 567688 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329423294 274002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: It will be at esolangs.org.
< 1329423300 567527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just naming the internal server name.
< 1329423301 515661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329423304 652790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "pyralspite" isn't short.
< 1329423311 992835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty short.
< 1329423313 322302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1329423332 723466 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: so maybe for like a few days you should train it on a bunch of spam email that you get
< 1329423353 965555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: otherwise you'd want a report spam feature which is likely more complicated than you want.
< 1329423358 33903 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: captcha
< 1329423366 66435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZENITH
< 1329423366 421483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1329423367 506991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLIDITY
< 1329423369 97541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOTE NOW
< 1329423371 989672 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zenith.
< 1329423373 277137 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity
< 1329423375 355085 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith
< 1329423378 804034 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity
< 1329423383 298595 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith
< 1329423383 485215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith
< 1329423385 796288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1329423391 576063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why darn
< 1329423393 355234 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I already know of another server named Zenith.
< 1329423398 298165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were just voting to equalise them
< 1329423401 24651 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuboid
< 1329423410 965439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've got mine and itidus20's vote on solidity, so you know it's got to be good.
< 1329423426 955007 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend whatever kallisti doesn't vote for.
< 1329423430 486568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, zenith.
< 1329423441 329288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haters.
< 1329423451 779511 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the matrix of solidity reference.. otherwise the name solidity wouldn't mean much to me
< 1329423465 7448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity.net is taken.
< 1329423469 560098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329423470 732202 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity.org?
< 1329423474 122741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be an organization
< 1329423503 757980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity to me sounds pretty, also matrix of solidity reference.
< 1329423517 387066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity.org is also taken.
< 1329423530 491574 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity.xxx
< 1329423534 87843 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidi.ty
< 1329423565 490667 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-196-224.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329423567 128118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every second you waste is a second Timwi gains in this race.
< 1329423580 227970 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I am Timwi?
< 1329423582 629730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a race?
< 1329423597 803863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but I'm paranoid enough to think there is.
< 1329423614 931844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidi.ty
< 1329423639 701318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : solidi.ty
< 1329423648 797794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott>  solidi.ty
< 1329423658 263297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/  me to do my homework `seq` launchMissiles Sgeo
< 1329423840 583512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `do'
< 1329423841 546287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ic is not a TLD according to IANA.
< 1329423849 648796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do they know.
< 1329423873 794316 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2we can do this the easy way, or the hard way.  This is the hard way.  ::::)
< 1329423874 373727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have no f idea what you would consider better than all those suggested so far.
< 1329423886 929043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A good name.
< 1329423887 320358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1329423911 843727 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the best name is "schemck".
< 1329423919 924367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423920 303763 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423920 496192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423920 707799 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423920 894297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423923 403444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423925 857750 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423928 354009 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423930 884287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423931 648367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Phlegm" is a good name.
< 1329423933 372472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329423938 162887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also less words, please.
< 1329423952 420948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to try quiet the bot with this phone.
< 1329423957 197899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't open share/WordData/Eng1M: No such file or directory at /hackenv/bin/words line 104
< 1329423963 736152 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 49 `words 49 `words 49 `words 49
< 1329423969 796097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1329423972 334157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem ina clen cymiai pistint cuverdrogene mily apply dogpea nonded anxure rymer tashano waj iaulten apanie ron retica appa powet baquivi miscrift unloa cabareli straudi
< 1329423976 243888 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which.
< 1329423976 622620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1329423981 226782 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hey lambdabot can you hear me
< 1329423981 644462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1329423981 967467 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: y u bot so glitch?
< 1329423987 905874 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> how about now
< 1329423988 815906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `how'Not in scope: `about'Not in scope: `now'
< 1329423991 732248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sublim tka zijl testen coight sula brtspendum eonf allergo achere moda shci quida celr fruinepi crea aflor reven celler dude chenyi circum dici coedat tvn
< 1329423993 291200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivbouver witheate thervi int rog com ebuken deatum effret trippea swandcutio disiti juria veranting birtur eansol ten belasti soff forca herk iklime wire man jncephla
< 1329423993 512198 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :toir bintura enamnanc fen potruj cereb lor unjectit greeompu kosto dna vermoldstr psychirick dition bestyle loeweggina tigm conter reetmirarma meri oroning pon condt knably palentiqui
< 1329423994 269498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canal und ore falcai lehide ludto monta weslo moldine befor aradiite wire iea gymnof mor low nvly unprae unden zersterto kal himsenste saeva ance puhl
< 1329423994 848032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :charr bathalf ehobemed dat zib fayc sked bed galistrugh lucg the tiiiati ouchipenny jume ptint new herin tel may ssimn wolfi hab yunkarm affive greeritted
< 1329424017 116565 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dogpea".  HackEgo has spoken.
< 1329424043 117044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCHIPENNY
< 1329424045 292750 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.bing.com/images/search?q="enjoy+being+locked+in+your+matrix+of+solidity"
< 1329424049 846907 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like "rift".  "miscrift" is... worse.  "allergo" is either a misspelling or a portmanteau.
< 1329424062 84727 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that didn't quite work right
< 1329424089 68041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is +q even applied? Is +q nick enough, or does one need +q nick!* or something? (Just wondering.)
< 1329424100 269017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+q nick
< 1329424119 33468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i generally do /msg chanserv quiet #esoteric nick
< 1329424129 366859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just
< 1329424129 874023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's fancy.
< 1329424134 549395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MODE +q nick
< 1329424148 912180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1329424151 391403 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with a channel
< 1329424152 679384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps
< 1329424163 921394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make chanserv do some channel-mode things, but it was so confuzzle.
< 1329424191 8638 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329424191 299421 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1329424191 486302 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329424197 410608 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329424222 311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if elliott rageparted or if he actually accepted "sheesh"

< 1329424228 868839 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329424229 70188 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329424229 288666 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1329424232 648743 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He's still undecided.
< 1329424232 877940 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1329424262 639915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting my previous link... i find this quite amusing  http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=enjoy+being+locked+in+your+matrix+of+solidity&view=detail
< 1329424278 269652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, "shibboleth"
< 1329424282 273805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not "just" +q nick, I distinctly recall it supporting both the nick!user@host thing as well as the account/realname synttax; all I wondered was whether it does plain nick too.
< 1329424305 247809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume it's the same syntax as for bans?
< 1329424310 210195 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he just fell offline
< 1329424350 66864 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Man, I feel so powerful right now.
< 1329424350 259697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: he didn't quit, he parted.
< 1329424355 991667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in which case (discounting client assistance, as well as speaking for ircnet only) you needed to do nick!* to do a nick-based ban.
< 1329424358 433071 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I have the power to make bots ignore me.
< 1329424366 351741 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> So useful.
< 1329424367 251330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1329424395 844039 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329424503 936661 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi
> 1329424504 536764 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424509 69370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just testing.)
< 1329424514 865600 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi
> 1329424514 876386 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424536 746147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as done by chanserv it's host-based, when given a nick.
< 1329424554 631595 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329424586 796540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems slightly overreaching; I wonder if it's more complicated.
< 1329424597 755802 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie
> 1329424597 776227 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424606 418614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric +q :fungot!*@*
> 1329424606 440743 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424634 527150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm'k, plain "+q nick" does turn into nick!*@*.
< 1329424645 946230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should +q me
< 1329424651 677479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :fungot!*@*
> 1329424651 696794 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424659 171470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie
> 1329424659 193242 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329424733 223537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling that the IRCnet ircd is not so helpful, though that could be worng.
< 1329424783 754107 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was going to put an Airplane reference in his homework, but "And Leon's getting larger" might not be such a great idea considering that my professor is a bit on the heavy side.

< 1329424828 265852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does he also have a drinking problem?
< 1329424830 184529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is his name also Leon? 
< 1329424846 913256 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name is not Leon.
< 1329424883 67695 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to see Airplane 2
< 1329424889 228855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the sequel)
< 1329424890 657679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you picked the wrong day to quit making airplane references
< 1329424932 904269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*week
< 1329424936 424895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sequel, in space.
< 1329424990 863236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think he has a drinking problem, but ... isn't the trying to quit character not Leon?
< 1329425017 809611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if that could be referenced as well.
< 1329425026 43899 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329425232 744713 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got them both on DVD
< 1329425254 694223 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329425462 914603 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at his shitty code that he doesn't understand why it doesn't work

< 1329425495 554385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: throw it out and rewrite it
< 1329425522 112986 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/00rabxy1f0g8tvucymiq
< 1329425531 632775 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always does the days are getting longer
< 1329425551 610044 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does in fact say while, the missing w is a mispaste
< 1329425619 553407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use case instead
< 1329425639 924797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329425641 594031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hostname. Now.
< 1329425656 414169 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y.uk
< 1329425682 415565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"soliloquy
< 1329425683 675230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1329425687 518875 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the instructions say to use if
< 1329425691 805454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You need some spaces in there if you want it like that.
< 1329425703 732928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$season" == "foo" and so on.
< 1329425707 229861 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1329425708 369185 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfderivatives.com
< 1329425722 926286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Soliloquys are for losers.
< 1329425732 957895 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, that works.
< 1329425733 144644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also there's an "elif" to get rid of the fi-fi-fi-fi.)
< 1329425738 748103 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ty
< 1329425747 695757 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329425755 288218 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.9.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329425761 996665 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvohttp
< 1329425762 917667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"szentendre"
< 1329425767 486461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, putting each then on a new line is ugly, use "if ...; then" instead
< 1329425794 727126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kvitlauk"
< 1329425806 713394 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that at first, then as a poorly-thought out attempt to fix stuff, put then on a separate line
< 1329425817 88201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"silkemjuk"
< 1329425832 313172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"naudsynt"
< 1329425834 418064 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash is bizarre enough that spaces surrounding == might make a difference, why wouldn't it be bizzare enough to have weird issues everywhere?
< 1329425845 598237 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash scares and confuses me.
< 1329425849 317842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hordaland"
< 1329425867 469974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"heimskringla"
< 1329425874 120215 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.9.255 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1329425880 252687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo:
< 1329425883 740029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"audhumbla"
< 1329425886 769125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ "$foo"=="bar" ]
< 1329425889 250910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set foo = abc.
< 1329425893 628604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tettegress"
< 1329425895 10205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ foo==abc ]
< 1329425899 388243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now consider foo = "=xyz".
< 1329425900 830131 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329425901 878648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now consider foo = "==xyz".
< 1329425905 141007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& so on.
< 1329425914 999387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tettegress? audhumbla?
< 1329425921 718704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these actual words for you?
< 1329425921 905260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anamnesia"
< 1329425930 759280 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis@.com
< 1329425932 937724 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the spacing makes it a comparison instead?
< 1329425936 630034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: It's not a domain name.
< 1329425936 816835 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329425937 180849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, yes
< 1329425941 902394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kvitlauk is... garlic?
< 1329425942 170141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You appear to be confused about how shell arguments work.
< 1329425944 840861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ is just a program.
< 1329425945 444709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329425945 763396 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok
< 1329425949 332604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls /usr/bin/[
< 1329425973 659170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eplenektar"
< 1329425974 9797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, it's also a builtin in bash.
< 1329425981 760248 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I gave you some great hostnames.
< 1329425985 644898 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1329425994 316662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"farsund"
< 1329425997 562337 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyralmorph
< 1329426002 844310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also I have to be able to pronounce them.
< 1329426009 506502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lade"
< 1329426012 311559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And type them, for that matter.
< 1329426015 51863 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in analogy with pyralsprite... it's pyralspite isn't it?
< 1329426017 381481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is under the mistaken impression that getting *more* suggestions will make this decision process *easier*.
< 1329426021 422796 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly backwards, elliott.
< 1329426032 991121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the name for?
< 1329426039 17927 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to find *any* suggestion that will just strike you as "oh, this is the right name!".
< 1329426045 118520 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morphic.
< 1329426052 811466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's what happened all the previous times. :(
< 1329426056 714055 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tokinasa"
< 1329426058 868821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The server esolangs.org is going to be on.
< 1329426073 545289 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use the domain name?
< 1329426079 227872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not going to only be esolangs.org.
< 1329426095 552251 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just pick a name.
< 1329426098 2350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "tantrum".
< 1329426110 60426 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "boomerang".
< 1329426112 925602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are good names.
< 1329426158 382773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey several of those are easy to pronounce!
< 1329426161 536626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So what is that server called zenith?
< 1329426164 33289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for a Nord
< 1329426178 829620 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You had "zenith" and "solidity".
< 1329426181 944610 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zenith" is ruled out.
< 1329426183 562753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flare"
< 1329426184 347109 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take "solidity".
< 1329426184 565408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's naudsynt?
< 1329426192 565723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: necessary
< 1329426195 161456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But you hate "solidity".
< 1329426213 150406 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm locked in a matrix of solidity.
< 1329426219 918824 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329426222 107744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wraith"
< 1329426230 136904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brilliant"
< 1329426230 705814 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all these questions even more than I do "solidity".
< 1329426237 363452 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you are asking about zenith.  zenith is elliott's server.
< 1329426241 875748 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact who said I hate "solidity"?
< 1329426244 924334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, nödvändig
< 1329426250 349105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You said that. I think.
< 1329426253 744483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember.
< 1329426259 274448 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it äåéáëíëfíðnñ
< 1329426261 85376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gave the impression.
< 1329426264 282412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's nynorsk btw, bokmål is "nødvendig"
< 1329426267 5229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You said you already knew a server named zenity that is not elliott's server.
< 1329426292 661906 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that one!  zenith.homelinux.net, Ed Murphy's.
< 1329426297 564895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "brick"
< 1329426307 33618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ohh, indeed.
< 1329426310 818700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll go with solidity then.
< 1329426316 616786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for your input, oerjan! I ignored it.
< 1329426333 855876 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it may genuinely help to get drunk during the application process...
< 1329426355 77263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that'll be 50 pounds
< 1329426358 1522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think me being drunk would be something IRC does not need to experience.
< 1329426371 296349 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's the only thing IRC experiences.
< 1329426378 421905 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:06 < elliott> Maybe I'll call it "apathy".
< 1329426382 657579 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it "apathy".
< 1329426383 598502 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect remedy for indecision
< 1329426386 29610 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329426392 497482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it should be something the IRC should not be responsible for.
< 1329426431 621732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OF FLESH
< 1329426454 208131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apathy OF FLESH."
< 1329426465 966287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thewayofallflesh
< 1329426469 335608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a disease.
< 1329426478 596223 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apathyofsolidity
< 1329426491 444619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone ping 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd?
< 1329426499 280231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I can't come to the movie; I'm suffering from apathy of the flesh.
< 1329426510 546756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no sorry I can only ping matrixofsolidity.com
< 1329426513 98948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :carnitude
< 1329426536 429398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :58 ms to 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd from my home.
< 1329426569 742689 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can ping it.
< 1329426573 590213 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's too far away.
< 1329426575 895634 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot
< 1329426580 886297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bazillion milliseconds.
< 1329426584 770698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I now get 80-90 ms ping.
< 1329426585 61105 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my OS is too old perhaps
< 1329426591 209390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Also your ISP.
< 1329426594 959961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need IPv6 to do it.
< 1329426614 712008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, 91ff:fedf:9fdd is too nine-one-dee-ee-ef-fy.
< 1329426617 400407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that 58 ms is less than what's physically possible from some places on earth

< 1329426620 700767 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just blindly assumed i had it :D
< 1329426633 90341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1329426635 657710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: FTL NEUTRINOS, MAN?
< 1329426641 23806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solidity" is hard to type. :(
< 1329426641 920679 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329426649 519377 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1329426653 706774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not for me.
< 1329426654 114724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1329426662 62563 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have the best typing stylez
< 1329426664 231934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what kernel is Debian testing on?
< 1329426691 110706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 perhaps?
< 1329426697 638951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, what was the name of testing again? I have a feeling I might be on stable these days.
< 1329426730 191458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wheezy
< 1329426784 143273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.4, says a packages.debian.org search on 'testing' + 'linux-image'.
< 1329426805 796408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Three point anything looks *so weird*.)
< 1329426900 425451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I make my Linode use 3.2 or stick on 3.0? :(
< 1329426917 142256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.4 > 3.2
< 1329426928 395177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should use Linux 3.11 for Workgroups.
< 1329426949 518172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.18 or 3.2.1????
< 1329426952 525346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :????
< 1329426993 259631 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1329426998 960853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI.ORG
< 1329427010 853125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.sweden.se/expat/2011/10/09/14-swedish-words-that-give-me-the-giggles/ has some nice words
< 1329427020 548096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, .18 > .1, but the holes they find tend to be "since Linux 0.Noah" anyway, and of course bugs there aren't; so many eyeballs and all that.
< 1329427033 610261 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@19.sub-174-254-174.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329427045 378249 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329427069 851405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the bugs are shallow and only think about how good they look. I think that was also one of the maxims.
< 1329427111 419617 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@19.sub-174-254-174.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Sgeo, et al: Is Sine down?
< 1329427114 424104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You're useless.
< 1329427121 529418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lagom" may not be such a good name for a server.
< 1329427128 107240 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you decide on matrix of solidity dot com?
< 1329427130 130342 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: No?
< 1329427162 400237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: On the other hand, "mogla" doesn't sound too bad.
< 1329427170 934290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, "mogal".
< 1329427188 998875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't reverse a string.)
< 1329427198 932625 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@19.sub-174-254-174.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Sgeo, tswett, et al: I can't log on to sine...please help...
< 1329427200 4752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mowgla?
< 1329427209 410032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mogul
< 1329427212 662108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's not a domain.
< 1329427222 672300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go mul.
< 1329427225 660257 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329427226 442988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mögla is verbed mildew
< 1329427246 161838 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: from here, it looks like you already have.
< 1329427246 348078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WHICH IS BETER, HELP,
< 1329427253 468299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :möglat bröd
< 1329427258 143970 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@19.sub-174-254-174.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Sgeo, tswett, et al: nevermind
< 1329427262 50957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"moka" is mistake, colloquially.
< 1329427336 626710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I really no sysadmin. If going with Debian testing, I'd just go with 3.2 if that's what they've defaulted "linux-image" to. But is that the disturbbion you're going with? 
< 1329427346 7361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, it's Debian testing.
< 1329427354 376951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you select the kernel separately in the Linode manager thing, since it's all Xenny.
< 1329427366 46221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, of curses.
< 1329427375 249783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you *can* use pv-grub.
< 1329427376 924170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to.
< 1329427422 215734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose 3.2 might still match Debian testing better, if that's what they're doing all their building on, and so forth.
< 1329427427 974880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329427482 101039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have "the 'slid" set up.
< 1329427492 95346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should add myself an "account".
< 1329427508 696363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know this thing upgrades at 7 Mio/s, fizzie?
< 1329427527 792583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which is the nice one, adduser or useradd?
< 1329427529 17584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget.
< 1329427539 912623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter
< 1329427568 457020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mibioctets?
< 1329427574 376743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mebi.
< 1329427598 521470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329427636 813084 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@19.sub-174-254-174.myvzw.com PART :#esoteric
< 1329427667 59845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is the more "commandy" one, the former is the slightly "wizardy" one.
< 1329427679 580987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asks questions and so on.
< 1329427689 860438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Did you LIE to me?
< 1329427697 867125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one that lets me set the realname and copies a home directory in.
< 1329427717 280046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i had a fifty-fifty chance of not lying
< 1329427787 737648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :adduser, then; though useradd also does the homedir with... I think -k.
< 1329427802 931618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -k, --skel SKEL_DIR           use this alternative skeleton directory
< 1329427825 755779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding user `elliott' to group `sudo' ...
< 1329427825 942650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding user elliott to group sudo
< 1329427825 942847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1329427834 152415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that -k sounds more for killing users
< 1329427835 75058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it was some other flag.
< 1329427844 480422 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The skeleton in the cupboard.
< 1329427860 636771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, -m.
< 1329427878 347376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And -k to specify what to copy there.
< 1329428004 612767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both do the "usergroups" thing, so it's mostly that adduser asks you things, while useradd wants you to specify options. And doesn't run 'chfn' for you. And maybe adduser does some other tricks too, I'unno.
< 1329428096 880129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329428099 883009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went with adduser.
< 1329428198 688921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I try and ssh login with a password?
< 1329428201 585582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. reject key-based login
< 1329428239 239973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, some option, or maybe with "-i /dev/null" as a kludge.
< 1329428267 9768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter passphrase for key '/dev/null': 
< 1329428298 947109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1329428304 619730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh without a key set up should default to password
< 1329428304 872180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1329428305 460345 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Misenter a passphrase.
< 1329428308 330607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1329428310 19981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it seems to have done
< 1329428324 910349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It just demands one continually.
< 1329428329 172297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have a key set up.
< 1329428336 400804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-O PreferredAuthentications=password" maybe.
< 1329428356 874438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid multiplex command.
< 1329428357 666340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or -O PubkeyAuthentication=no.
< 1329428363 771385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was -o.
< 1329428365 911302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid multiplex command.
< 1329428370 327739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, -o works.
< 1329428370 909712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1329428406 893409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll set up the suh-vuh now and email Graue.
< 1329428605 515076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://li278-81.members.linode.com/
< 1329428716 378072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, are there compiler implementations of any dynamically typed languages?
< 1329428727 277764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess SBCL is one.
< 1329428776 993695 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What did you name the machine?
< 1329428830 912233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts with an s and ends with an olidity.
< 1329428832 729534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Tons.
< 1329428846 289582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanolidity?
< 1329428853 416573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1329428862 359629 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "stolidity"?
< 1329428878 490782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many existing TeX->webpage programs but none of them work, except for the one I wrote. Why is that?
< 1329428887 449338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric
< 1329428890 323090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329429011 174334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ While not mandatory, it is highly recommended that you set a password for   │ 
< 1329429011 550378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ the MySQL administrative "root" user. 
< 1329429014 63953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this.
< 1329429080 679146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your password should be "password".
< 1329429097 453780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-90-93.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329429161 764418 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hate it then don't set a password; it says it is not mandatory. But first please check in case there are security holes
< 1329429368 408271 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329429368 830053 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1329429369 18347 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329429472 991147 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1329429513 565676 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1329429809 604907 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329429999 687890 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write MediaWiki extensions?
< 1329430017 719781 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329430073 253889 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329430123 213530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you write them in Pretty Hyper Programming.
< 1329430174 244054 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of but mostly not working on an English to brainfuck interpreter. 
< 1329430204 505149 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually saying that kind of solidifies the idea a bit
< 1329430614 449631 :zbrown!~zbrown@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329430697 304862 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Increment the cell seven times. Go to the next cell. Write a value into the cell. Go to the previous cell. Read a value from the cell. Move four cells to the right. )
< 1329430747 811031 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but [ and ] i wouldn't find so easy
< 1329430766 366942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Listen to Phantom_Hoover complain about creating a new Brainfuck derivative. )
< 1329430797 97995 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
< 1329430827 170722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bites itidus20's head off, replaces brick with brain

< 1329430912 231267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mortar combat
< 1329431069 557304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does Finland have 7 Mio/s connections?
< 1329431335 838144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-17 00:28:36 (78.7 MB/s) - `ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso' saved [731164672/731164672]
< 1329431350 793179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that wasn't exactly at home.)
< 1329431367 677123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weep

< 1329431420 265626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also practically to next door; I think CSC's Ubuntu mirror is also in Otaniemi.
< 1329431444 507277 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1329431508 804595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 0.5 ms ping replies from it.
< 1329431584 596059 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am genuinely curious though to what extent it is possible to do computation with natural languages without converting it to numerals.
< 1329431623 629902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's in a computer, it's numbers.
< 1329431634 86221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You, like, totally support my effort, right? (I need a long list of names to impress Graue.)
< 1329431662 266943 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but.. suppose i say.. "the number of tiles on a chessboard" when i mean 64
< 1329431671 326957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help why is iti asking me thing
< 1329431672 110347 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1329431683 897645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: karma
< 1329431687 291442 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're not helping elliott
< 1329431690 727315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-17 00:05:10 (6.70 MB/s) - `ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso' saved [731164672/731164672]
< 1329431701 259338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was at home. Rather horribbel.
< 1329431705 815662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what does elliott need help with why does he need it from me i suck at computers
< 1329431713 738668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S A YES THEN
< 1329431718 169576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "horrible".
< 1329431726 103689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to wait like two minuters for a CD.
< 1329431726 824596 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to say it anyway
< 1329431734 428341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's a yes.
< 1329431763 319804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, I'm not much of a wiki-er, but from what I've seen by hanging out here, the spam is very spam.
< 1329431774 973277 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has a curious capacity to describe a number without using numerals
< 1329431782 348391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500
< 1329431785 938643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draw your own conclusions, as they say.
< 1329431813 177792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draw your own dick, like they say.
< 1329431836 177979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do?
< 1329431841 339862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not.
< 1329431844 701388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes.
< 1329431887 640279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Roadmap
< 1329431888 704380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1329431944 51298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1329431976 522264 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should give it up.. i will sound retarded in the logs
< 1329432093 647256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also 6.7 Mio/s of net bytes over HTTP is rather nice, given that *8*2^20/10^6 says 56.2 Mb/s (+overhead), and the contract I'm paying for says it's limited to 50Mbps.)
< 1329432229 841408 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329432269 854506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I don't have any tech-support-requiring issues, because with my luck they'd go all "hey your thing is ILLEGALLY FAST". (Though maybe I can claim that the "null Kallasjoki" they are talking about is my brother who just flew to Mombasa.)
< 1329432290 837175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's the tar option for not preserving owner even as root?
< 1329432362 507750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :--no-same-owner? 
< 1329432387 81167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanxe.
< 1329432634 162967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose the MediaWiki folks have e.g. "extricate the wikitext parser out of the morass so maybe we can have an actually defined syntax and other tools can also parse it" item on any sort of roadmap? 
< 1329432852 307883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe they rewrote the parser recently.
< 1329432863 406936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've actually wanted to write my own clean-room parser for it.
< 1329433007 660144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many people have wanted, and produced a big pile of half-finished droppings.
< 1329433024 659965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think you know how *srs* I am about this want.
< 1329433100 664308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably as *srs* as [insert long-forgotten project here]!
< 1329433234 203733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The reason I want to write my own wikicode parser is because I do not want to run MediaWiki.
< 1329433243 113342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I do not want to run MediaWiki is that SEE THE PAST WEEK OF MY LIFE
< 1329433249 199685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2012-02-16 18:00:06--  http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/favicon.ico
< 1329433249 386342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resolving esoteric.voxelperfect.net (esoteric.voxelperfect.net)... failed: Name or service not known.
< 1329433249 386548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `esoteric.voxelperfect.net'
< 1329433253 101094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is fishy.
< 1329433257 183279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with esolangs.org. This on the Linode.
< 1329433293 563451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :/
< 1329433295 510681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't doubt that has been the motivation of several of those other parser-writers, after some "quality time" with MediaWiki.
< 1329433307 325816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use dig(1), I've completely forgotten.
< 1329433313 304238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candlelit dinners and so on.
< 1329433330 73648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig @server name [type]
< 1329433340 715717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it defaults to "ANY".
< 1329433349 606262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the type.)
< 1329433351 949539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I want server to be the default DNS server?
< 1329433370 8954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, @server is optional too.
< 1329433385 416862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What does esolangs.org resolve to?
< 1329433387 385137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On your machine.
< 1329433430 345136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1329433478 478056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, it seems to not to.
< 1329433494 740161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric.voxelperfect.net?
< 1329433503 480642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nslookup it or whatever.
< 1329433512 11514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaagh I sure hope this paranoia is unfounded.
< 1329433546 147555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ?
< 1329433555 151646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host esoteric.voxelperfect.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
< 1329433566 759778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was at work, just for a change.
< 1329433573 105588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm seriously worried.
< 1329433592 769115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esolangs.org and voxelperfect.net are owned and maintained by *different people*.
< 1329433597 259425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using different DNS servers.
< 1329433607 51009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could be going on without the coordination of the two?
< 1329433611 926082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have a cached 207.7.108.149 at home for esolangs.org.
< 1329433646 629654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an actual question.
< 1329433659 201237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both esolangs.org and voxelperfect.net seem to be on nsX.afraid.org.
< 1329433672 490952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit.
< 1329433678 80085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does the nameserver resolve?
< 1329433685 126818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck fuck fuck.
< 1329433698 620414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me there's a plausible explanation to this that doesn't involve whoever maintains the domains going in and changing the records.
< 1329433780 410292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not a plausible explanation.
< 1329433793 326426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "afraid.org" itself is on multiple servers, so those do; but none of the ns[1-4].afraid.org seem to be answering to anything. (I seem to reall that being a general DNS place.)
< 1329433814 802013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so is the most plausible explanation that the DNS hosts for it are down?
< 1329433820 492803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's one of those freedns places.
< 1329433825 152176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say yes.
< 1329433840 722215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, since they don't seem to be answering at all.
< 1329433851 795404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank God.
< 1329434084 111639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their news page has some 16-hours-old post about ns1.afraid.org breaking down, but that the others continue; I guess it could've gotten worse.
< 1329434092 73191 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1329434132 462163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1329434136 126778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users may use afraid.org with Google, however there are some guidelines.
< 1329434136 313507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, afraid.org operates a separate set of DNS servers just for Google, which only Google can see.
< 1329434136 313713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official policy is this:
< 1329434136 313826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) At around 4AM PST each night, the previous 24 hours worth of domain additions are made visible to Google. (subdomain edits and updates are instant).
< 1329434136 313934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) No subdomains created via the shared domain system are visible to Google. You *must* own the domain its self that you are creating a subdomain off of to have it visible to Google by default.
< 1329434139 974669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1329434141 371705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds rather like a policy Google would be very unhappy about.
< 1329434170 958866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a rather weird policy.
< 1329434213 527459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Shared" = free.
< 1329434219 939005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta pay $$$ to get in Google.
< 1329434265 775455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Split DNS things aren't that uncommon, but usually it's for things like "the corporate intranet sees this, rest of the world that", not trying to show a different view to some parts of the internet.
< 1329434307 560435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes, it's weird.
< 1329434310 970770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the motivations aren't.
< 1329434342 879305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will ask the esolangs.org owner to use Linode's DNS servers, or else transfer the domain to me.
< 1329434364 941409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm hoping to get Graue to just redirect esoteric.voxelperfect.net to esolangs.org and have it become the official domain.)
< 1329434491 847116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:/var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance$ time sudo -u www-data php importDump.php ~/allpages.xml
< 1329434493 470438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here goes nothin'.
< 1329434853 154081 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329434904 382014 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember asking about this before
< 1329434919 27901 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way more appropriate than a busy loop to notice when someone logs into a Linux system?
< 1329434991 944017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can inotify-or-whatever watch /var/run/utmp, that's edited in most cases on login.
< 1329435000 121783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, it can't be *that* hard to parse wikicode.
< 1329435002 422499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, question
< 1329435006 303614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a discrete number of colors?
< 1329435016 355691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wavelengths, man;
< 1329435017 202336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.
< 1329435021 684798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1329435041 134538 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do we delineate an infinite spectrum of colors?
< 1329435049 333083 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely.
< 1329435181 810886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I counted the colors once, there were indeed an infinite number of them
< 1329435200 424724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that stuff's quantum, one presumes. Both the possible wavelengths as well as the amplitudes.
< 1329435229 324652 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny i was laying down in bed thinking about that very question
< 1329435240 329370 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O what is inotify?
< 1329435243 511859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started to relate red:green:blue to hours:minutes:seconds
< 1329435260 637239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *iNotify, it's an apple product
< 1329435265 98309 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I think it's the notification bubbles that pop up on the top right side of the screen in Ubuntu.
< 1329435268 156649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1329435271 856452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was basically a wild guess
< 1329435274 366692 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell
< 1329435277 779787 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like that's what it would be called.
< 1329435298 713967 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and came up with such notions as 1 green = 256 blues.... 1 red = 65536 blues
< 1329435300 605136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :inotify is a Linux kernel subsystem that acts to extend filesystems to notice changes to the filesystem, and report those changes to applications. It replaces an earlier facility, dnotify, which had similar goals.
< 1329435305 36725 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow was I off.
< 1329435305 588050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: It's a filesystem notification kernel interface dealie. You give it a list of files or directories to watch, and get events back.
< 1329435339 331290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Often used via gamin.)
< 1329435363 761271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are higher-level interfaces on top of it.
< 1329435408 808757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly even some programs you could run, though a simple inotify-using C program is certainly not very difficult.
< 1329435551 272557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "gvfs-monitor-file" seems to exist. (Though did they deprecate the gvfs-* command-line tools?)
< 1329435601 138482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Sgeo|web's X is, now that we've solved the Y.

< 1329435619 137832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think stalking.
< 1329435659 161964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, e-stalking.
< 1329435667 813771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, then I want to know the W.
< 1329435929 717875 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can something exist and also be immeasurable?
< 1329435934 662973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an important question.
< 1329435949 107323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not solvable
< 1329435951 245582 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well, yeah.
< 1329435989 350861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's at the core of a lot of fundamental philosophical questions. 
< 1329436142 132606 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think topology is the best field of mathematics because it lets you play with Play-Doh
< 1329436158 200706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	26m48.126s
< 1329436251 273125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, getting back to colours, I seem to recall that the eye is good enough at counting individual photons of visible light, when properly dark-adapted; but those are strictly the monochromatic rod cells; and if you're talking about colour differences that can be perceived, there's certainly not so many of those, though it's unobvious to count since the size of the region and adaptation level (max colors "at once" or a total count of ...
< 1329436257 250804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... differentiable colors?) and things affect it.
< 1329436313 568943 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you could make those parameters of a function and then see if the domain is uncountable.
< 1329436347 650427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely a complex function though.
< 1329436395 47422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oops I meant image
< 1329436401 65554 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not domain
< 1329436598 820067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Theora and Dirac support stereovision?
< 1329436680 592103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously countable (there are measurable-by-instruments "colour differences" that human observers just can't differentiate; I think I've heard of some vision acuity-wrt-colour experiments), it's just hard to give an exact count about perceptual things, and it depends on what do you want to count.
< 1329436685 593361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you buy the quantum stuff, I think there's also physically speaking a countable number of different spectral distributions. Amplitude at one frequency is obviously quantized, and I'd really assume wavelengths are, too.
< 1329436712 169812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I want to count colors, duh. :P
< 1329436834 946528 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll insert some mathspeak: intervals of wavelengths within the visible color spectrum such that a suitable sample size of wavelengths from this interval are indistinguishable to 100% of a suitable sample size of human test subjects.
< 1329436847 631798 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329436894 345498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color isn't even a wavelength (unless you think "brown" isn't a color); it's a spectral energy distribution.
< 1329436953 592864 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329437001 885106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a specific color a (wavelength, luminance) pair?
< 1329437014 443054 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, magenta.
< 1329437017 68015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get to be a color.
< 1329437052 23577 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329437056 665770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you ask a regular person. There's no "brown" wavelength.
< 1329437057 578416 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1329437066 999125 :Frooxius___!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1329437079 621666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need at least three coordinates, given that there's (usually) three types of color receptors.
< 1329437089 415529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we were dichromates, all colors we were capable of perceiving would be representable identically as (wavelenth, luminance) pairs.
< 1329437093 242655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we're trichromates.
< 1329437098 331897 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence fizzie's mention of three :)
< 1329437120 436529 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1329437124 83589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the tetrachromates. Hands up, everyone who's one.
< 1329437141 768439 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cocks his gun.

< 1329437143 794527 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329437151 700317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK: http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329437155 71687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the site run fast for you guys?
< 1329437159 645293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say "(You'll be shot.)"
< 1329437162 388654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should do (all the caching and everything is on).
< 1329437169 227214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I haven't yet turned the PHP cache up to the maxxx.
< 1329437169 757855 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fast enough.
< 1329437179 91024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How much did you click around? :P
< 1329437195 110907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be interested in numbers on reloads (just plain Ctrl+R) from Chrome's Network tab.

< 1329437213 218411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hi, Maemo user.
< 1329437225 898814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hewwo there.
< 1329437236 859652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just frontpaged, that's all.
< 1329437249 243990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone's not really best for speedtesting.
< 1329437266 730191 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1329437313 852279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1329437335 391882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329437413 472733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently don't understand color at all.
< 1329437421 650954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, how fast does http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page load
< 1329437461 555185 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329437497 105164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cones_SMJ2_E.svg
< 1329437505 372433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks a lot like a wavelength, luminance pair to me.
< 1329437641 586520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, those are the response curves for the three types of receptors; a single (wavelength, luminance) pair is not enough to produce all (R1,R2,R3) response triplets that the receptors generate.
< 1329437682 826686 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right.
< 1329437683 550573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not use the guns no being shot please.
< 1329437708 353731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you tell me how quickly http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page loads, I'll never use the guns!
< 1329437725 585159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, because you can be perceiving multiple sources of light at once right?
< 1329437794 150311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much multiple sources as it is non-monochromatic sources; light that has energy at multiple wavelengths.
< 1329437799 531804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I time it on Windows?
< 1329437801 640854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly two coordinates in the CIE xy chromaticity diagram might be enough to define a "color", if you think all colors are in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CIExy1931.png -- but that means "red" and "dark red" aren't differen't colors.
< 1329437895 739906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't dark red just have lower intensity...
< 1329437898 454177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you just designate three wavelengths as "primaries", and specify their amplitudes, and then you get a triangle on that graph that you can repesent using those.
< 1329437899 932370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The footer HTML comment says 0.048 seconds
< 1329437917 590683 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329437921 140086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's how long MW takes to generate it. But anything faster than "it took 5 seconds" is OK by me.
< 1329437921 832083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if that is correct
< 1329437941 51641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does take less than 5 seconds.
< 1329437976 975957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have (x,y) coordinates from that graph and "intensity" (it's not quite it), you again have three coordinates.
< 1329437997 663212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to log in.
< 1329438008 390172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, hm, you're saying that by lowering the intensity at the "red" wavelength you actually add more green.
< 1329438016 314799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you just designate three wavelengths as "primaries", and specify their amplitudes, and then you get a triangle on that graph that you can repesent using those primaries. Then you print your triangle and show it's bigger than your competitor's triangle.
< 1329438039 211317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then home-theater enthusiasts buy your projector instead.
< 1329438044 322102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, that's correct. It doesn't have the user table and the database is locked./
< 1329438053 86561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do these competitions often happen over the internet? I think I've heard about what you're talking about.
< 1329438053 457834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm going to show this to Graue, basically.
< 1329438067 960061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are those nameservers still down?
< 1329438090 704300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't completely understand the distinction

< 1329438096 322827 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizie: No I want to use color with any number of primaries. RGB is a useful approximation but for high-quality it is insufficient.
< 1329438124 466755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the responsivity curves would describe all of the perceivable colors...
< 1329438127 499965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me.
< 1329438148 469356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the third input parameter that doesn't correspond to wavelength and luminance?
< 1329438152 832908 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329438177 883776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it is trichromate or tetrachromate, there is still potentially inaccuracy but if it is trichromate only, it is somewhat inaccurate and if tetrachromate as well it is slightly less inaccurate but will still be inaccurate regardless; combination is less inaccurate but still inaccurate too bad sorry
< 1329438197 73069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You need to be able to generate all possible (R1,R2,R3) values, where Rn is the energy of your spectral distribution integrated over the spectrum, multiplied by that curve.
< 1329438198 324407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, it also depend on, whether it is screen or printer, you need different colors for making accurate!
< 1329438228 897797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You can't do that with a distribution that's a Dirac delta at particular wavelength, multiplied by an amplitude.
< 1329438292 372235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the same reasons as you can't span the R^3 space with just two R^3 vectors.
< 1329438364 286438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If all your energy is at one wavelength, R1=k1*a, R2=k2*a, R3=k3*a, where a is your amplitude and k1, k2, k3 are values of those curves at your wavelength.)
< 1329438386 44497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I see.
< 1329438447 43509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that sendmail-providing package people use?
< 1329438449 492508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't provide anything else.
< 1329438450 579917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie?
< 1329438458 908366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because there can be more than one input wavelength" would have been sufficient I think. :P
< 1329438459 360191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, the above might not be quite mathematically accurate and I'm sure with some curve shapes (like if two curves are exactly the same) you could get all responses with one peak that you can with an arbitrary distribution, but never mind that.)
< 1329438469 400006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ssmtp, msmtp... I can't figure out which one to use. :p
< 1329438497 34136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ssmtp" is the one really small one that just provides a "sendmail" binary which speaks directly to a SMTP server.
< 1329438523 825460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Thank you.
< 1329438524 502334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that "msmtp" might do pretty much the same thing.
< 1329438535 979935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following packages will be REMOVED:
< 1329438536 166375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
< 1329438537 629465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1329438542 305360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have those, shouldn't I have sendmail(1)?
< 1329438546 199463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, nope,
< 1329438551 458652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::?
< 1329438565 13052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye-s, I'd think. But maybe it's in exim4-something.
< 1329438579 2629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's in some weird place always.
< 1329438606 510571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /usr/sbin
< 1329438607 790646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that
< 1329438615 925732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so super.
< 1329438617 668169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ /usr/sbin/sendmail
< 1329438617 854998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents,
< 1329438617 855201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control
< 1329438617 855310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation.
< 1329438619 771986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaah.
< 1329438627 90636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, is it plausible that PHP mail() fails because it can't find that sendmail?
< 1329438648 41313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess, though sbin is not really a strange place.
< 1329438669 317550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendmail_path string
< 1329438669 620625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where the Postfix sendmail combattability wrapper is, too.
< 1329438669 807822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the sendmail program can be found, usually /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail. configure does an honest attempt of locating this one for you and set a default, but if it fails, you can set it here.
< 1329438671 806808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1329438695 874476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall PHP could also deliver by smtp by itself, but I could be wrong.
< 1329438706 617627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jann.is/daily/archives/741-Cannot-send-mail-with-PHP-and-exim.html
< 1329438708 796441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1329438735 605043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1329438736 732980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       The  -i  option  prevents  a line containing just a dot from terminating the message. Only an end-of-file (generated by typing CTRL-D if the input is from a
< 1329438736 920890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       terminal) does so.
< 1329438739 942713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just install ssmtp.
< 1329438750 864110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're all sendmail-"compatible".
< 1329438763 715298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that they ignore a bazillion options.
< 1329438779 372556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang could not send your confirmation mail. Please check your e-mail address for invalid characters.
< 1329438779 562850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mailer returned: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function.
< 1329438812 639961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssmtp needs some global configuration; namely, the smtp server to speak to.
< 1329438820 413589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, it uses SMTP?
< 1329438825 975676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something that connects to a server and blabs mail at it.
< 1329438828 983693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I need for that?
< 1329438832 836270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say sendmail.
< 1329438920 416283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean a specific outgoing-mail server (that would be ssmtp), or one that actually does MX lookups and tries to deliver to the proper servers and keeps queues since they're down and so on (that would be Exim, Postfix, sendmail, any "real" MTA)?
< 1329438955 621950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. But I don't care about the queue thing.
< 1329438977 772078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix is a pain to set up, right?
< 1329439008 336991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's really any middle ground there; if you want a thing that does MX lookups and falls back to secondaries and so on, it's going to be a "real MTA".
< 1329439024 936630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble.
< 1329439041 933010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reinstalls Exim.

< 1329439061 652415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Debian default Postfix configs (it's got about five "templates" of which you can select, at least with dpkg-reconfigure) I think should get things mostly right.
< 1329439070 387417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Exim's the "default" one.
< 1329439117 750479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will all accept "local" mail, though, they're like that.
< 1329439135 227462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local" mail howso?
< 1329439145 688981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to accept mail.
< 1329439211 984360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone sends to postmaster@your1234.linode.com (or whatever the IP was), it'll get deposited to /var/spool/mail/root or somesuch, by the default configs. At least that's my guess.
< 1329439213 962728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing -i appears to have helped exactly nothing.
< 1329439224 114168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought one of the "default" configs stopped that.
< 1329439244 869566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exim can be set up for "local delivery only; not on a network".
< 1329439262 420715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work?
< 1329439262 989662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the opposite.
< 1329439271 340212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. So is that why this isn't working?
< 1329439274 503368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it defaults to.
< 1329439275 350130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it'll only let you sendmail to local accounts.
< 1329439283 819254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chooses internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP

< 1329439321 263492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  │ IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections:                                                                                                        │ 
< 1329439321 532582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  │                                                                                                                                                                 │ 
< 1329439321 720368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  │ 127.0.0.1 ; ::1___
< 1329439325 405292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if I just set this to the empty string?
< 1329439336 501738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or,w ait.
< 1329439340 661491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Localhost like that could be good enough.
< 1329439342 962027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it listens on 127.0.0.1, the internet won't see it, will it?
< 1329439343 887300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329439345 526225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the default.
< 1329439350 767865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then smtp-to-localhost will still work.
< 1329439362 444709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :M'k, well, that should work.
< 1329439376 980804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤ Mail Server configuration ├───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
< 1329439377 169951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                                                                                                                                                                   │ 
< 1329439377 356703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ The Debian exim4 packages can either use 'unsplit configuration', a single monolithic file (/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template) or 'split configuration', where the   │ 
< 1329439378 937174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ actual Exim configuration files are built from about 50 smaller files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/.                                                                      │ 
< 1329439381 972960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                                                                                                                                                                   │ 
< 1329439385 82188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Unsplit configuration is better suited for large modifications and is generally more stable, whereas split configuration offers a comfortable way to make         │ 
< 1329439388 79961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ smaller modifications but is more fragile and might break if modified carelessly.                                                                                 │ 
< 1329439390 962868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                                                                                                                                                                   │ 
< 1329439393 993106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ A more detailed discussion of split and unsplit configuration can be found in the Debian-specific README files in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base.                      │ 
< 1329439397 14286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                                                                                                                                                                   │ 
< 1329439400 91156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Split configuration into small files?                                                                                                                             │ 
< 1329439403 69561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                                                                                                                                                                   │ 
< 1329439406 172339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │                               
< 1329439408 125306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, it is difficult to express how little I care, Exim.
< 1329439412 222296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally it works.
< 1329439436 270966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though since your server shows up in the "Received:" headers, some 1970s-era people might assume that postmaster@yourbox can be contacted for abuse reports.)
< 1329439479 984528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This allows the site administrator to specify an email address that the wiki can contact if something goes wrong. Current versions of MediaWiki (1.13 and above) do not use this setting, having delegated its uses to $wgPasswordSender, but future versions or extensions might."
< 1329439490 648912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1329439501 654774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People emailing esolang@linode-crap will not get a reply, but... too lazy to fix this.
< 1329439591 867126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now email works.
< 1329439790 261149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you might still get some local mail somewhere, since when exim gives up trying to deliver someone's registration mail, it'll probably try to make a bounce.
< 1329439850 616926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe not very noticeable volumes.)
< 1329440274 731148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329440359 800095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okays, slep now, have some bloodletting scheduled in five hours or so.
< 1329440365 966750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I wonder: What is the best compression scheme, which is not too complicated, for sokoban levels?
< 1329440517 506536 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to care about compression for sokoban levels?
< 1329440541 438748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am just thinking about it; it is not entirely very important.
< 1329440846 236718 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say.  Would anyone happen to know if the Thue-Morse sequence can be found by sampling periodically from a periodic function?
< 1329440862 591081 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, of course it can.
< 1329440925 373180 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be found by sampling periodically from... a periodic, Riemann-integrable function?
< 1329440926 857895 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329441737 86003 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329441967 43747 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-015-238.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1329443366 24254 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329443389 282837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329444324 256140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329444330 156242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?
< 1329444950 710538 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329445048 791609 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329445049 655182 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1329445208 225478 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329445304 401595 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329445306 136208 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1329445385 324162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?
< 1329445458 391226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329445794 289620 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329445896 296054 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1329446421 234514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone with IPv6 present?
< 1329446423 163205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant? fizzie?
< 1329446426 753802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf?
< 1329446455 254419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott!
< 1329446460 201797 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has IPv6.

< 1329446465 976112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a VPS, anyway.
< 1329446489 236388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does http://[2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd]/wiki/Main_Page work correctly?
< 1329446734 416176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?
< 1329446749 140325 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I only have it on a VPS.
< 1329446755 847528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do the brackets mean?
< 1329446869 620056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're used to disambiguate the port : or something?
< 1329446888 383476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1329446891 790433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it on a VPS.
< 1329446894 466476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use curl or whatever.
< 1329446921 337331 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl isn't installed.
< 1329446923 949604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget -O- fails.
< 1329446958 917523 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connecting to 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd:80... failed: Connection refused.
< 1329447014 340524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is odd.
< 1329447036 962774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To attach an IP to your interface, issue the following command, making sure to replace the example IP with one of your pool addresses:
< 1329447037 149364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1329447039 794225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1329447043 896398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it later.
< 1329447073 809185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I should write the email to Graue.
< 1329447100 100378 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, ping6 worked...
< 1329447120 676365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/800_numbers
< 1329447126 364665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Odd.
< 1329447134 436226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I need to fiddle with nginx configuration.
< 1329447158 6645 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to accept a connection on any port.
< 1329447191 968901 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking 800 numbers was an esolang.
< 1329447252 743580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping.
< 1329447576 43162 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329447918 16934 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1329447987 227209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I have encoded a sokoban game is basically like this: The level is encoded as a stream of nybbles. First encode the size and the starting position (the size is offset by the minimum). And then encode walls using RLE but only the length; it automatically alternates wall/floor, and the player's position is skipped. And then, for the floors (including the player), encode RLE of the targets.
< 1329448040 999704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, the number of crates is already known because it equal number of targets. Encode number of empty spaces to the next crate, skipping walls, player, and spaces where a crate would get stuck. And that is finish.
< 1329448121 494122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well would you think this work?
< 1329448198 816663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The edge of the board is automatically filled with walls and is not part of the encoding.
< 1329448566 128585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guses what I have ready to send?
< 1329448568 947348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Guess
< 1329448614 152843 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An email to Grue!
< 1329448619 240258 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greu
< 1329448620 806221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue.
< 1329448621 820807 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grew
< 1329448626 395845 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grauel
< 1329448630 144641 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Growl
< 1329448635 451461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sgeo: tswett: Oi.
< 1329448775 984604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oioi. calamari: oi.
< 1329448792 158766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oi. olsner oi.
< 1329448798 227955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi
< 1329448810 527323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have an Esolang account, yes?
< 1329448822 182990 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Gregor get six times as many Ois as pikhq?
< 1329448836 630881 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes its monqy
< 1329448839 943969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monqy
< 1329448852 279999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Right. Unfortunately you've made two (2) non-spam-revert edits so I can't use you.
< 1329448859 817193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a second?
< 1329448878 77108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right a talk page thing probably
< 1329448881 540956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Billlam&diff=prev&oldid=23812
< 1329448895 453667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Billlam&diff=next&oldid=23813
< 1329448899 206120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oppressening
< 1329448961 153845 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Monqy&oldid=22370 monqys proudest edit
< 1329448996 787763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't those oi'd people awake?
< 1329449008 925679 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't you Oi people who were awake?
< 1329449018 970688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to know the number of non-spam-revert edits?
< 1329449031 857056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know irssi only beeps when your nick is mentioned *right at the beginning* of a line?
< 1329449095 339877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My client doesn't beep at all unless you tell it to; and if you do tell it to, you can configure your own pattern. Maybe irssi has a similar feature?
< 1329449122 440146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi does.
< 1329449123 801080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1329449125 609816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x
< 1329449126 514376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: x
< 1329449127 458511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1329449128 338643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the default.
< 1329449128 524894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: x
< 1329449129 622857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: x
< 1329449131 811504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: x
< 1329449185 648341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to figure out compressed sokoban encoding so that I can figure out how many will fit in various media, such as simple handwritten codes, QR codes, short radio signals, NES/Famicom cartridges, DVD, etc
< 1329449193 558583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cpg/2854040585.html
< 1329449197 410688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To apply (required step):
< 1329449197 597417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please enclose your favorite one-liner in your favorite esoteric language :)"
< 1329449200 695674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then can do similar thing for more complicated games too, such as tsume shogi
< 1329449201 588109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Y Combinator, man.
< 1329449207 674195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all weirdos.
< 1329449304 744414 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, maybe I should go work there.
< 1329449310 846942 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I hate all esoteric languages equally.
< 1329449316 500902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's pointless.
< 1329449318 574468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Underload?
< 1329449332 731381 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (What's Underload?)
< 1329449354 539334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload
< 1329449355 525490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, ais523.
< 1329449357 37920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite esolang.
< 1329449363 213003 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to hate underload
< 1329449383 252386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're terrible.
< 1329449504 311876 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I terrible?
< 1329449526 308953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate Underload?
< 1329449555 236263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all esoteric languages equally.
< 1329449572 826269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if Underload wasn't esoteric?
< 1329449585 193999 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programming languages are esoteric.
< 1329449588 382135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1329449590 440368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hated unequally
< 1329449599 502504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WAKE UP GAWD
< 1329449701 666363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
< 1329449719 936621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email to Graue sent.
< 1329449723 108174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, we wait.
< 1329449774 202687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you double-check to make sure that the email doesn't consist of the words "HEY GRUEWAHTVERF I HATE U"?
< 1329449791 311084 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the wrong thing to write.
< 1329449796 907102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT
< 1329449810 76801 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329449844 450266 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're well-known for telling people you don't like them very much, after all.
< 1329449869 721721 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329449914 642282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-known.
< 1329450318 186858 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you rang? :)
< 1329450326 838597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Too late! But hi.
< 1329450340 619853 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329450353 192860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You sure do like YAML.
< 1329450365 510627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: (I was trying to find more people to support my presidential run.)
< 1329450391 603448 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like it as much as a certain other person.
< 1329450407 21072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that?
< 1329450448 292715 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by too late, does that mean you lost already?
< 1329450464 915126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (No.)
< 1329450471 990804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "presidential run", I mean "server migration plan".
< 1329450561 188589 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul is on the way out so looks like I'll be voting LP this primary
< 1329450611 56927 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's what I do.
< 1329450645 98078 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel like switching to republican party for the primary when he's already lost
< 1329450744 498371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vi?
< 1329450772 153433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Toooo late.
< 1329450788 849032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could've assumed my support by default. :P
< 1329450863 929441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then what if he came into #esoteric and went "pikhq!! DID YOU EXPLICITLY SUPPORT HIM" and you'd be all "No" and he'd be all "I WILL STRIKE HIM DOWN"
< 1329450868 49759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF.
< 1329450872 131524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is a very scary man.
< 1329451677 878362 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329452840 971652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1329452848 584043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, cached pages aren't being sent gzipped.
< 1329452850 154263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Fix that.
< 1329453414 372617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making a text adventure system in Haskell. Here is some types is this good to you?   type GameFunction = (Game, TranscriptItem) -> (String, SystemRequest); data SystemRequest = UserInput !String !Game | UserDirectInput !String !Game | RewindTo !Int (Game -> Game) | RequestRandomNumber !Int !Game | GameOver;
< 1329453529 390395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be designed differently?
< 1329454087 68436 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329455897 76870 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
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< 1329457564 958262 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't everybody talk at once.
< 1329457608 65284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい！
< 1329457624 804726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329457675 43579 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaj.
< 1329457851 263648 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in #concatenative had mixed reactions to an article I wrote about concatenative languages.
< 1329457871 223638 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the best thing I've ever written...
< 1329457876 260397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329457898 388410 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't embarrass them did you
< 1329457902 162290 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it's embarrassing. Bask in my embarrassment.
< 1329457911 528795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things you write have differing levels of badness?
< 1329457911 715155 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not particularly.
< 1329457918 657751 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got new people to come to their channel.
< 1329457921 148082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw it, by the way. Unfortunately.
< 1329457924 948417 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Assuredly!
< 1329457937 801856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe you.
< 1329457938 816408 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go from mediocre to quite terrible.
< 1329457947 676115 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know this.
< 1329458017 926198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329458894 248179 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1329459462 61984 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm
< 1329459472 681651 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy/difficult would it be to make a Smalltalk VM for LSL?
< 1329459503 62807 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't even begin to envision how to begin building anything like an IDE
< 1329459520 379981 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the second life thing? heh heh heh
< 1329459533 461217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you doing [insert language here] for LSL? 
< 1329459571 648121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do a concatenative language!!!!!
< 1329460315 323837 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp.
< 1329460324 734686 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all the rage, don't you know.
< 1329460442 847451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, "concatenative language" has a concrete definition.
< 1329462060 746479 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes...and?
< 1329462102 736672 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I could have done a better job on that article.
< 1329462114 920938 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had spent a while writing it and got fed up with it.
< 1329462134 580705 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just posted it, submitted it to HN, and waited to see what happened.
< 1329462150 714383 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened is way more people read it than I'd expected.
< 1329462192 443698 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an authority.
< 1329462196 937531 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just some guy.
< 1329462409 259240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought you should know
< 1329462479 420898 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, explain it to me.
< 1329462502 72585 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I really ought to know.
< 1329462511 722673 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning new things is great.
< 1329462621 698058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language in which syntactic composition is semantic composition. "A concatenative programming language is a point-free programming language in which all expressions denote functions and the juxtaposition of expressions denotes function composition." --Wikipedia or more formally (from [[Joy]]): "the meaning function is a homomorphism from the syntactic monoid onto the semantic monoid"
< 1329462707 822968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you can turn a language with f(x) style application into one with f(g) style composition but it would not be concatenative.
< 1329462733 966328 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1329462735 567136 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good way of putting it.
< 1329462768 420594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329462838 100185 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky?
< 1329463061 33215 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What to?
< 1329463071 674996 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, your article
< 1329463093 582476 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, fucking http://evincarofautumn.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-concatenative-programming-matters.html
< 1329463107 3600 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so done with it.
< 1329463165 616691 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's yours?
< 1329463206 971228 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1329463235 25153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blames evincar for his newfound interest in Smalltalk (because I was looking at Factor thanks to that article, then Slava apparently stopped doing Factor stuff)

< 1329463252 44085 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just found out about that from the comments on HN.
< 1329463264 740903 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Factor development is to cease.
< 1329463270 612206 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 0.94 or something.
< 1329463324 377769 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess will be good for marketing Prog, if people end up looking for "the next concatenative language".
< 1329463324 606380 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the reason that I like Pharo and its IDE so much might have more to do with me perceiving more mainstream IDEs as bloated
< 1329463330 410693 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prog?
< 1329463347 469186 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My current language project."
< 1329463359 785127 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I sound like such an ass whenever I say that now.
< 1329463361 405148 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that that language
< 1329463364 403364 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1329463367 854547 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is not that language.
< 1329463370 332672 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a different language.
< 1329463373 851106 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like all of them.
< 1329463376 204869 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to that language :'(
< 1329463378 524751 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, at least there's only one right now.
< 1329463382 653784 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one/
< 1329463384 326560 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1329463385 588665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one
< 1329463393 462450 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Built-in functions and flow-control statements are actually operators."
< 1329463398 909450 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Smalltalky one with weird compositional semantics?
< 1329463403 641704 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1329463410 464268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language of you'rs youv'e presented in here
< 1329463420 275163 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that at first, I think.
< 1329463438 689317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there is any indication factor development will cease completely.
< 1329463439 710677 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do appreciate flow-control being actually ... library-like, but built-in functions are operators?
< 1329463444 706154 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's .. a bit new to me
< 1329463448 888688 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dunno what you're quoting from. Probably an old article on my blog that sucks?
< 1329463454 289268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/SyntaxOverview
< 1329463455 41980 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does "built in functions and flow-control statements are actually operators" even mean or do i not want to know
< 1329463467 197857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey,
< 1329463467 786763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog
< 1329463468 467800 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I looking at the wrong Prog?
< 1329463470 119753 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh fuck don't look at that repo.
< 1329463479 667610 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same name for a different thing.
< 1329463481 437718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1329463482 708417 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two progs
< 1329463490 740763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should pick a less already used name
< 1329463505 375456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some types like to "decay" into other types. Any operation on a value of a radioactive type R results in an R containing a closure describing the operation. "
< 1329463516 888115 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of what was that amazing language
< 1329463542 747099 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radioactive types != lazy evaluation, if that's what you mean.
< 1329463546 709231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazinglanguage.com/
< 1329463547 538423 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alefpp.sourceforge.net/
< 1329463556 36453 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, so it IS your thing?
< 1329463574 227892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar made two things called prog?????
< 1329463577 874549 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I created that SourceForge project ages ago, yeah.
< 1329463589 740042 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're your own worst enemy
< 1329463605 757268 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I decided Prog shouldn't be the ill-defined thing it was, and redefined it, borrowing the good stuff from the original.
< 1329463609 213481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what IS that
< 1329463615 718068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you remember??
< 1329463619 197412 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's Alef++!
< 1329463619 555936 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alef++
< 1329463623 666501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i happily forgot
< 1329463627 290703 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alef++, has a crazy syntax."
< 1329463648 829872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... never the most advertised thing on any language that is not an esolang.
< 1329463651 557740 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much ever.
< 1329463665 663094 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, some languages have unusual seeming syntax, but that's usually not a selling point, is it?
< 1329463672 957661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the closest i've found to the sourcereal of programming languages
< 1329463676 861991 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "crazy" in the sense that preteens mean "random".
< 1329463697 463788 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUFFIN
< 1329463700 231207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my life goal is to find the sourcereal of programming languages)
< 1329463701 88885 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh that's so RANDOM!"
< 1329463729 65015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal?
< 1329463740 474619 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sour cereal?
< 1329463747 214259 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds unpleasant.
< 1329463756 598071 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out.
< 1329463811 194396 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I--
< 1329463865 314531 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. No sense of comedic timing.
< 1329463875 317522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1329463926 704080 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the "hurr durr operators" thing was because the original thing that was called Prog could be parsed with an operator precedence parser.
< 1329463964 874332 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everything built-in was an operator.
< 1329464057 114733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news!
< 1329464061 892527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue replied to my email
< 1329464088 822112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliot president of esolangs
< 1329464420 707364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they already have "gets() 19xx-2011 never forget" T-shirts available.
< 1329464441 629712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those afraid nameservers are still down, right?
< 1329464464 551936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freedns.afraid.org/news/
< 1329464465 545042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bad news, the email was just a string of profanities? 
< 1329464491 393021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said things are looking up, or something, when I checked in the morning.
< 1329464498 665330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329464508 381891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, i.e. he thinks the plan is a good one.
< 1329464540 516881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You figured that out from the string of profanities? Good decoding. (I mean, I suppose this is one of those good-news-bad-news-good-news-bad-news routines.)
< 1329464572 378528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were very articulate profanities!
< 1329464577 588175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dig @ns4.afraid.org esolangs.org a | grep '^eso.*IN.*A'
< 1329464577 774612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org.           3600    IN      A       207.7.108.149
< 1329464580 398388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like the chef sketch in the first key and peele. <3 that sketch.
< 1329464584 767133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work-ish. But ns3 doesn't.
< 1329464599 956541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there might be delays and such.
< 1329464624 796846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dig's so verbose, it's annoying to paste.)
< 1329464685 570787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that nslookup thing.
< 1329464816 960284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the BIND9-utils 'host' tool, that's not too bad.
< 1329464823 952727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig +short
< 1329464828 788611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh.
< 1329464844 113550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very short.
< 1329464889 475137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there any "+short-ish-but-not-quite-that-short-i-mean-like-one-line-but-maybe-still-repeat-the-name-and-type-or-something"? 
< 1329464907 445166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig +noall +answer
< 1329464920 132699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's nice.
< 1329464938 653627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also shorter than my proposed name.
< 1329464948 338517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why did you want a MW parser, by the way?
< 1329464985 222761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't, now; I just recall wanting one a couple of years back and things weren't... good. Not sure what for.
< 1329465017 101098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's a shame, I was going to bet you I could write a fully-compatible one.
< 1329465025 815756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For HUGE CACHE.
< 1329465027 547428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CASH
< 1329465033 775985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CACHE
< 1329465065 597490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you mean 32 megabytes or something!? (Are the caches in fact even larger nowadays? I really haven't been following.)
< 1329465067 391770 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is huge cache * cash * cache? Is huge cache * cache = huge cache²?
< 1329465079 238062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They've been shrinkin'.
< 1329465096 217121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWSS
< 1329465100 14912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7 has 256-k-per-core-or-so and 8 meg L3.
< 1329465101 998560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Nehalem did.
< 1329465110 550069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, seems it's the same now.
< 1329465119 27492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cache size      : 6144 KB" on this old thing.
< 1329465130 183874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess 32 megs is quite many megs.
< 1329465149 335402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Well, obviously juxtaposition is multiplication. So it's a huge cash cache^2.
< 1329465153 252051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cache of caches of cash.
< 1329465166 515933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you store all your guns and money somewhere, and then have a big storage of those...
< 1329465193 558401 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s caches all the way down.
< 1329465224 974241 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some recent Xeons go up to 30MiB L3.
< 1329465249 261561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, that's "really huge cache"
< 1329465302 127556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually we'll just have terabyte L1s or something.
< 1329465312 574764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xeon E7-8867L, ten cores, 10x256k L2, 30M L3, I see.
< 1329465325 122744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And up to 8 chips supported. :)
< 1329465353 127093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but then we'll have petabyte RAM and still 200MHz RAM clock.
< 1329465441 553218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They installed a couple (16?) Nvidia Tesla M2090 cards to our cluster for testing, those are supposedly pretty spiffy.
< 1329465486 599906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also two "fat nodes" with 1T of RAM each; I wonder if they feel bad about being called that.
< 1329465650 291031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old ones were some kind of 12-core (2*6) Opterons; these new are some kind of Xeons, but I see no-one's bothered to update the documentation yet.
< 1329465753 27063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's also 2*6 of Xeon X5650.
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< 1329467000 434706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Footage has finally surfaced of Dean Dinnen's chainsaw-assisted attack at The Endyke Pub in Hull. Wasted and stoned out of his mind, the 24-year-old got sensitive after being told he couldn't smoke inside of the bar. Drowning in liquor and his feelings, he went back to his crib to grab his chainsaw.
< 1329467005 951324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinnen returned to the pub, wielding the weapon in a substance-fueled raged. Other customers tossed bar stools, kegs, and pool cues at him, but that didn't stop him from tearing through 32-year-old Andrew Pryor's arm."
< 1329467010 428536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you Brits.
< 1329467040 677493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here people just use axes.
< 1329467090 404744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie should i sleep
< 1329467155 951363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have slept and woken up, that's what I didded.
< 1329467168 895389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland, the people tossing bar stools etc. would probably get fined or jailed for assault and battery.
< 1329467190 431008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too.
< 1329467374 549803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wonders why he had a chainsaw in the first place.
< 1329467432 130553 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related (in Finnish, sorry): http://www.aamulehti.fi/Kotimaa/1194722981981/artikkeli/il+mies+hyppasi+liikkuvasta+taksista+kuljettajalle+vaadittiin+tuomiota+kuolemantuottamuksesta.html
< 1329467434 437601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombie survivalists all have.
< 1329467530 736156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh no, don't tell me you're Finnish too.
< 1329467545 308487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The district court sentenced the driver only traffic from exile." Oh, Google Translate.
< 1329467598 18790 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ok, i won’t.
< 1329467615 333388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Good.
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< 1329467814 344996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I bet Graue is sleeping right now. Why amn't I?
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< 1329469326 165768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1329471952 765732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's really happening
< 1329472733 13090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti  but do we delineate an infinite spectrum of colors? <-- well relativity basically means it cannot be any more quantized than length itself, and no one has found any evidence length is quantized, although i think there are theories that it may happen at or near planck length scale
< 1329472733 528037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329473682 918516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can it be found by sampling periodically from... a periodic, Riemann-integrable function?
< 1329473686 370936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1329474230 687573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1329474230 874380 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output!
< 1329474256 20194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION things his fingers might be starting to remember that

< 1329474257 796422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k
< 1329474402 659301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't UP say something about measuring the energy (i.e. wavelength) of photons? ∆E∆t > one of the h's, or something.
< 1329474427 464017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  but that doesn't mean those are quantized separately.
< 1329474581 47510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, relativity means you can always find a different frame of reference in which the energy is whatever value you want above the minimum, so it cannot have a discrete set of values for particles moving freely
< 1329474652 540630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, sure, but the point was that can we differentiate between systems A and B which e.g. emit photons at wavelength x and x+e for arbitrarily small e? 
< 1329474679 688276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I think the actual point was whether unaided humans can, with our built-in sensory apparatus.)
< 1329474704 788499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iiuc, if we use long enough time for the measurement the ∆t part can become as large as we wish...
< 1329474764 695256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the UP doesn't restrict the precision for just a single of the observables
< 1329474769 558715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's a finite time.
< 1329474820 619936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose.
< 1329474971 742165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't think ∆t is just how long we spend for measuring things. But I'm very much not a physicist.
< 1329475087 138308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am i, really
< 1329475312 877054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How easy/difficult would it be to make a Smalltalk VM for LSL? <-- so let me guess, my joke about you using LSL instead of Smalltalk for whatever it was you were doing has now mutated.
< 1329475342 682426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, implementing haskell
< 1329475355 616701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, haskell in a smalltalk vm in lsl.  check.
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< 1329477689 833090 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotsies.org/ cool, another programmer reinventing the alphabet without even a basic knowledge of how human vision works
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< 1329478216 773489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scary thought occurs
< 1329478231 708219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am younger than the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem
< 1329478326 724383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Jackson has space for 72 more commands
< 1329478720 785725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also, hello!
< 1329479088 23249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, that hello took far too long.  you are clearly a Taneb impostor.
< 1329479270 280944 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses, foiled again.
< 1329479280 995732 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I am secretly elliott in disguise.
< 1329479328 695161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly gets a vision of a villain trying to rob a tinfoil factory and accidentally getting wrapped up in the machinery

< 1329479336 300421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I just had things on my mind
< 1329479513 453124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329479566 886606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329479592 559910 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329479601 984925 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1329479609 582868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this better?
< 1329479683 122031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid you are still foiled.
< 1329479689 817815 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo!
< 1329479768 310946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it would be a good idea to plant a rumor that tin^Walumini?um foil has mind control chemicals added
< 1329479799 253925 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could have hilarious consequences
< 1329479820 701878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it took me a second to think what Walumini was
< 1329479841 255058 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/
< 1329479899 759229 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies... certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission"
< 1329479959 389595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that before
< 1329480480 41555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the photos of the UV Rave the other night.
< 1329480489 26999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like a flourescent chemistry zombie.
< 1329480641 250673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rebuttal to that, too.
< 1329480666 255177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200511112730.afdb_effectiveness
< 1329480690 690560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- there are serious flaws in this study, not the least of which is a complete mischaracterization of the process of psychotronic mind control. I theorize that the study is, in fact, NWO propaganda designed to spread FUD against deflector beanie technology, and aluminum shielding in general, in order to disembeanie paranoids, leaving them open to mind control."
< 1329480706 491617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1329480746 643301 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1329480801 432097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are buzzie and fizzbuzzie?
< 1329480816 226149 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably interviewing for jobs
< 1329480828 850578 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1329480835 985169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a blackboard
< 1329480875 823646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzbuzzie only shows up every second week or so
< 1329481193 78528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzzie only once a twice a week
< 1329481378 537637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: lunch
< 1329481483 504977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD
< 1329481912 352225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1329482335 373063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329482451 138989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1329482636 82129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oerjan's gone.
< 1329482674 143408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today's xkcd did have a fairly funny joke, as evidenced by the fact that it was funny when Black Books did it a decade ago.
< 1329483503 792785 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah i think you really need to engineer such helmets based on known weaknesses of mind-control technology.. not troll-physics
< 1329483675 511328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeoacoustics.
< 1329483682 537081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a real scientific field.
< 1329483920 3121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't have anything to do with spiders. :/
< 1329483933 620399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Arachnoacoustics
< 1329483948 181071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyone doing that? 
< 1329483956 514642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think s
< 1329483958 607092 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1329483969 386675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arachnocaustics.
< 1329483977 424159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+
< 1329484009 50861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcane mystics.
< 1329484015 518515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On-topic for once!)
< 1329484090 707525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uranocaustics.
< 1329484239 520710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *you're*.
< 1329484753 815563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1329486740 341207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1329486740 751443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329486750 41827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong
< 1329486750 340097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329486875 404659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329486910 294720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@peng
< 1329486910 643949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329487054 768857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@using
< 1329487054 976535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329487059 537339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's a bit confusing.
< 1329487168 274028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329487478 974948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@string
< 1329487479 177072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1329487482 93911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aww
< 1329487490 753559 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong
< 1329487521 615636 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@strong
< 1329487521 954614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1329487525 336945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff
< 1329487531 650427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329487537 763053 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1329487538 43011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
< 1329487780 330066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329487852 383270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329488878 301379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only up to edit distance of two, sorry.
< 1329488894 376861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as long it's unambiguous.
< 1329488921 369148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raping
< 1329488921 671570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329489709 103901 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329491858 324957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329491942 848802 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :la_fen: tell elliott pong
< 1329492230 72945 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329492236 711836 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329492339 855650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we define a function that I will narcisistically name Taneb_2 (n) such that Taneb_2 (n) is the lowest power of 2, x, such that n! mod x is 0.
< 1329492358 370479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lowest/highest/
< 1329492405 356671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This goes 0,1,1,3,3,4,4,7,7,8,8,10,10,11,11...
< 1329492419 33496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 1 3 3 4 4 7 7 8 8 10 10
< 1329492424 279569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n minus (number of 1's in binary expansion of n). Also highest power of 2 di...
< 1329492424 554506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,1,1,3,3,4,4,7,7,8,8,10,10,11,11,15,15,16,16,18,18,19,19,22,22,23,23,25,...
< 1329492457 47950 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 0 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 4 5 5 5
< 1329492467 107674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Highest power of 3 dividing n!.
< 1329492467 409107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,1,1,1,2,2,2,4,4,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,8,8,8,9,9,9,10,10,10,13,13,13,14,14,14,...
< 1329492517 451169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, opinion
< 1329492517 744971 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's an infinite list to me.). it would be a fnord? hehe.
< 1329492522 26082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1329492522 212691 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1329492530 729934 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329492540 832962 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon
< 1329492541 19925 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
< 1329492549 982609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, give me advice
< 1329492550 487127 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: many existing implementations or add unnecessary complexity to merit a higher level programming interface consider sendmail.cf. perhaps, for example, are we always destined to reinvent the same port.
< 1329492590 999095 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here i am reading my morning nonsense from #philosophy
< 1329492603 29075 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i accidentally click on #esoteric
< 1329492626 637544 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read fungot's line and i'm like finally, something that makes sense.
< 1329492626 828063 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what bothers me even more than 13 blocks long, at most cs labs, and
< 1329492667 114834 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that reminds me of Kant's thesis about the existence of 14 blocks long without an inherent substantial being.
< 1329492725 800106 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i also think that this
< 1329492758 263309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a really good formula forTaneb_2(n) but it doesn't account for multiples of four that are not a power of 2
< 1329492783 364057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb_2(n)?
< 1329492805 459556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest power of 2 dividing n!
< 1329492851 353454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pending a better name
< 1329492907 442093 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"power of 2 in the prime decomposition"
< 1329492937 210420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think that was an infinite list to everyone.
< 1329492937 492645 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would anyone be interested in running restricted mailing-list software that caused all our software even more than ten minutes. mailing lists were expected to follow in a
< 1329493154 715164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "dividing (n!)" and not "(dividing n)!" right?
< 1329493165 436479 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly postfix
< 1329493179 936691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1329493206 526982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take that as a "FUCK MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE"
< 1329493226 86968 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :highest power of 2 dividing! n
< 1329493261 46375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't just divide, it divides.
< 1329493397 892174 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wJzo5v8wYQ
< 1329493533 249934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^k \emph{divides} n is a good way to say k is the highest power that divides n
< 1329493622 663230 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING DIVIDES
< 1329493912 377642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\frac{\mbox{divi}}{\mbox{des}}.
< 1329494311 767308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Wow, it's almost like we're in distant timezones!
< 1329494312 142130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329494341 618306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spring
< 1329494341 833169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329494343 854285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1329494417 623516 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329494420 867402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Are you doing some
< 1329494422 515251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spying
< 1329494422 820199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329494498 1281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a yes.
< 1329494515 655101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally.
< 1329494676 81089 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mail tracking. Apparently my package sat in Los Angeles, CA for a week for no reason, then teleported to Lafayette, IN for delivery.
< 1329494928 663828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail tracking, the leading cause of the "F5 finger" symptome.
< 1329494933 77793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syndrome.
< 1329494936 713665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbiote.
< 1329494940 131466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbian.
< 1329494944 454740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symantec.
< 1329494952 637101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolics.
< 1329494953 845427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sying
< 1329494954 47514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329494982 427726 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :symptom
< 1329494982 765360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1329494986 615036 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite is when the package was already delivered and I check the tracking and it says it wasn't
< 1329495269 254684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite was when the tracking says the package was already given out of the post office, but I hadn't picked it up yet.
< 1329495492 246782 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1329495604 674983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite is when the package says it went to the wrong city, and is now out for delivery.
< 1329495611 135018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's disambiguation page says "Function (mathematics), an abstract entity that associates an input to a corresponding output according to some rule"
< 1329495626 600847 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this to me sounds like what is also called a process
< 1329495650 22953 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1329495653 206529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proc{esses,ocedures} have side effects.
< 1329495666 361102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1329495668 301671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the definition of "side effect" is up to you.
< 1329495684 375797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once they routed my from-the-next-city package into somewhere far up there in Northern Finland, and then said there has been an "irregularity".
< 1329495688 486255 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also functions terminate :)
< 1329495707 57349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arguably)
< 1329495718 656101 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't cheat this topic very easy
< 1329495736 161160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your input is a machine state and your output is a machine state, then a procedure is a function ^^
< 1329495813 704960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I recall some friend posting a screenshot of the tracking web site showing that their package was looping.
< 1329495828 559874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had done something like Portland -> Eugene -> Portland -> Eugene
< 1329495877 689945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few languages also have terminology where a "procedure" is pretty much a "function" which just doesn't return a value.
< 1329495918 390583 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but thats not what people come here to hear
< 1329495998 369400 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, in programming languages the words all get blurry.
< 1329496009 678604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the quote from above did say "Function (MATHEMATICS)" (caps added)
< 1329496044 391727 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is a function a state transition table?
< 1329496096 147760 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe table isn't the right word here since i wouldn't really quite know what i am referring to
< 1329496212 144350 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could have a machine with 2 states.. a and b.. and a function which accepts either a or b... and i could call this function identity and say a->a, b->b
< 1329496232 532266 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generalize this to x->x
< 1329496237 655537 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1329496281 405272 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case the type of x would be a machine state instead of a function
< 1329496341 796153 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it all starts to fall apart and wishful thinking that it could be so easy
< 1329496374 2301 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1329496596 788858 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is not such an easy topic :-D
< 1329496659 7655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329497221 978199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: hi
< 1329497232 810690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki
< 1329497301 903912 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that probably the reason i fill my head with misconceptions is my urge to take shortcuts
< 1329497474 76109 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: in any case i will read up on functions in my own time.. any other topic you have in mind?
< 1329497655 891124 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: in mathematics, the difference between a function and a process, to me, is not that a process has side-effects (that's meaningless in math), it's that a process can be computed in some way (the "how" is left implicit)
< 1329497712 561086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: many kinds of state transitions can be described as functions, but functions themselves have nothing to do with state.
< 1329497728 297589 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think the term "process" is meaningful in mathematics, but if we take the concept "function" more broadly, then you have to introduce state to be able to describe what a process is.
< 1329497772 198051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example finite state automata have a state transition function : (states, alphabet) -> states
< 1329497776 683117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I guess
< 1329497785 346198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example finite state automata have a state transition function : states x alphabet -> states
< 1329497847 890832 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Oh, also functions terminate :)" i don't think this is very relevant either
< 1329497861 961630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they terminate?
< 1329497871 600952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what is terminate.
< 1329497875 491763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329497879 978709 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't really even talk about whether a function terminates. that's meaningless.
< 1329497887 966112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminate implies a computation in the first place.
< 1329497952 49055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you could probably determine if computing the result of a function from an input terminates.
< 1329497970 981666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably not always straightforward how to compute a function.
< 1329498001 193046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all functions are, you know, computable.
< 1329498005 986623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" terminate implies a computation in the first place." exactly
< 1329498011 397812 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok suppose our machine is a tictactoe board which ignores symmetry and whose turn it is. curiously a valid game of tictactoe is only those state transitions where only one tile on the board is changed from an empty square
< 1329498019 773554 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Gregor was really talking about programming in the first place
< 1329498038 501875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Give that it was about "processes" in the first place, that doesn't sound entirely surprising.
< 1329498040 822795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof mind virus.
< 1329498043 701072 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmmm.. not sure where i'm going with this
< 1329498097 80528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose e.g. a stochastic process is a mathematical creature and has a definition for a "process".
< 1329498126 436123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i suppose you could say that a function is "computable" if it's on some level of the arithmetical hierarcy. that means it's computable as long as you can quantify over infinite subsets of N (afaiu). and so on.
< 1329498130 723834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: do people actually use monads when describing different kinds of computational processes in a mathematical setting? or do they mostly use the more "standard" models of computation like production systems, logical combinators, turing machines, and so forth.
< 1329498150 248640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, I guess monads would fall under "logical combinators":
< 1329498169 613581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really a very slow thinker.. and i have inadvertently created chaos by these ambiguous definition topics. but i hope that it is a useful chaos for some of you.
< 1329498203 401819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly do you mean by "logical combinators"?
< 1329498249 207999 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say logical combinators?
< 1329498253 366730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to monads fall under it?
< 1329498274 8322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well I meant things like SKI and lambda calculus. But I guess LC isn't really combinatory
< 1329498292 708793 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well that's computer science / logic stuff, we don't use monads for anything.
< 1329498299 63427 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't
< 1329498303 421293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I suppose you could also say that a function is "computable" by referring to some particular model of computation, and don't those all pretty much end up being the same set of functions?
< 1329498355 775812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: y u so segregate? :(
< 1329498367 248882 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is great sad!!!!

< 1329498404 602181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because computer scientists can't math, and math people don't like computers.
< 1329498417 635545 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, but that's different in that the analytical hierarcy is a fuckload less computable than anything in the arithmetical hierarchy, which is a fuckload less computable than anything that an actual machine can compute.
< 1329498443 140161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: People in this channel might like both
< 1329498459 468851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Those are then some kinda freaks.
< 1329498488 578050 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is because i am too impartial that i can't figure things out
< 1329498492 440939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It includes myself too)
< 1329498536 930367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well i don't use L-functions either, and those are way more important than monads.
< 1329498544 319770 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do everything
< 1329498557 777903 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, from my point of view i have to take everyones comments as equally valid
< 1329498574 530459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: aren't L-functions not even proven or anything...
< 1329498577 750585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Don't listen to oklopol, ain't no one who can tell you what you can or cannot do! Believe in yourself! And other such phrases!
< 1329498585 293454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes!!!!
< 1329498608 102631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so tempted to add a "
< 1329498612 994462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vomits a rainbow*" at the end.
< 1329498618 454385 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean don't_listen_to(x)
< 1329498620 608219 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329498644 209747 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yeah i don't think you can prove they have analytic continuations
< 1329498663 272230 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait a sec, i'll elaborate
< 1329498698 681662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be lame if they were disproven completely, and then all of that work will vanish.
< 1329498704 606275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because what i said was wrong)
< 1329498704 792989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly mathematicians are playing it risky. :>
< 1329498724 868477 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, no matter how smart people are, nor how much consideration is put into writing laws... no legal system will ever be perfect
< 1329498763 599619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all participants in the legal system have to sort of get on with their work and ignore the fact their system is fundamentally imperfect
< 1329498792 928705 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that work would be part of the work that proves they exist
< 1329498799 55409 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, someone who couldn't face this fact can't really enter the legal system
< 1329498816 610448 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof of a theorem doesn't vanish because the theorem is reduced to "true"
< 1329498825 616899 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naturally some of it would be just plain useless.
< 1329498834 516986 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not ALL 
< 1329498835 747733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad
< 1329498866 867848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the same way, if i am too preoccupied with getting the right understanding than getting some understanding same thing really
< 1329498966 759351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I was talking about the situation where it was disproven.
< 1329498979 899235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I misunderstand.
< 1329499037 701755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you're saying
< 1329499044 491101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the work going into proving the theorem
< 1329499050 816636 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well the whole theory could then be thought of as an unnecessarily proof by contradiction. "assume we can analytically continue this L series here"
< 1329499053 360532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes part of the theorem of its contradiction in that case.
< 1329499066 750287 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we could then develop this awesome theory and OH FUCK A CONTRADICTION"
< 1329499078 14401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1329499083 101586 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"therefore, it can't"
< 1329499104 922404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..there are proofs in my math homework that I wish I could prove my contradiction
< 1329499118 561996 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my professor is one of those where he won't let you use methods that haven't been discussed yet.
< 1329499121 544852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by
< 1329499158 61202 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very annoying aspect of math classes.
< 1329499179 664705 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F2E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329499189 794573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite the same in programming, in my experience. Usually as long as you meet the assignment requirements you can use whatever language features and standard libraries you want.
< 1329499303 24215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, back in my intro Java class we were covering nested if-else statements, but to shorten my code I just used an array, even though we hadn't covered them.
< 1329499309 138744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the professor even commented on it positively. :P
< 1329499321 379967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SO IN MY PROOF CLASS.
< 1329499468 162475 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use any methods you like in pretty much all math classes in our uni
< 1329499476 831362 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prof will show an answer based on the course though
< 1329499497 343413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my professor just nitpicky about certain things
< 1329499506 548418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably the best math prof. at the university as far as I can tell.
< 1329499544 733389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, he doesn't like the re-use of the same variable in different, unrelated quantified statements.
< 1329499564 970162 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously he's not a fan of local scope. :P
< 1329499627 229973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he doesn't count off if you do that.
< 1329499631 769499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just expressed dislike.
< 1329499722 738464 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...random thought. it would be awesome to see in, a math paper, a huge integral in parentheses
< 1329499729 587098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by -adic
< 1329499738 160458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a text portion of the paper
< 1329499752 79857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using some TOTALLY LAME VARIABLE.
< 1329499753 339647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure he'll let you ever prove something by contradiction? You know, there are people who just don't think that's kosher at all.
< 1329499762 843705 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I AM NOT LAME
< 1329499782 768860 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's teaching from the book, to the point he uses whatever notational conventions the book uses, even if he doesn't like them.
< 1329499791 291476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, our natural numbers start at 0.
< 1329499803 573703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1329499803 762105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1329499834 357893 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is, as a programmer, prone to off-by-one errors in every facet of daily life.

< 1329499853 642755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, what?
< 1329499857 108889 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that not be acceptable.
< 1329499866 713488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prone to off-by-one errors in every facet of daily life." who isn't
< 1329499874 764884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prove a statement is false, then its negation is necessarily true..
< 1329499883 973390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I sometimes wonder.
< 1329499895 44579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_intuitionism
< 1329499899 785850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: MAYBE PROGRAMMING HAS WARPED MY BRAIN
< 1329499901 917708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right
< 1329499904 448044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A major force behind Intuitionism was L.E.J. Brouwer, who rejected the usefulness of formalized logic of any sort for mathematics. His student Arend Heyting postulated an intuitionistic logic, different from the classical Aristotelian logic; this logic does not contain the law of the excluded middle and therefore frowns upon proofs by contradiction."
< 1329499914 924372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes yes
< 1329499924 15481 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously the hardest part about even things like writing proofs is to get the indices right, "err is this k or k-1... well whatever, you get the point".
< 1329499930 118986 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't gotten to a stage in his math education where he ever thinks about intuitionistic logic.

< 1329499977 304994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: There's a maths professor at our place who starts with subscript indices, then they gradually rise up to be "middle indices", and by the end of the blackboard they're superscript. (Or vice versa.)
< 1329500002 368616 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1329500008 655198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middlescript is just like regular text except it's kinda smaller.
< 1329500028 336962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would make sense to be vertically centered as well.
< 1329500049 193610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some of them are. They sort of range all over the VERTICAL RANGE.
< 1329500059 226864 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok: There's a maths professor at our place who starts with subscript indices, then they gradually rise up to be "middle indices", and by the end of the blackboard they're superscript. (Or vice versa.)
< 1329500061 742992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slightly above normal script, "in the middle"
< 1329500098 59990 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a chemistry teacher who wrote the stuff he was teaching up on a whiteboard, and it sloped down towards the right a lot.
< 1329500109 600091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He must have been getting shorter or something.
< 1329500128 17099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter as he was writing?
< 1329500130 965546 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1329500131 821858 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1329500143 839604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the indices immediately drop down to subscript if there's a case of superscript-denoting-exponentiation nearby.
< 1329500149 268766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's be pretty useful I guess?
< 1329500163 744219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't have to bother adjusting the height of your hand, for one thing.
< 1329500165 595801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It'd
< 1329500166 38947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sounds really confusing.
< 1329500204 940657 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.. I need to go back to magical C kindergarten.. can someone check whether I converted these arrays properly? http://pastebin.com/tbbBbZPN 
< 1329500210 482335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, usually you can tell from the context, since normally it's the same "k" that keeps wandering up and down.
< 1329500345 526236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ragged-array construction is not exactly equivalent, but I suppose it's the closest sensible thing. And there's a school of thought that would write the mallocs as malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *tfr) and malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *isobuf) and malloc((64 * 3072) * sizeof **isobuf) and/or malloc(64 * 3072) since sizeof(unsigned char) is and always will be exactly 1.
< 1329500374 727096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all C code should strive to be self-documenting.
< 1329500439 182421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :>)
< 1329500440 231872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also instead of "(64 * 3072) * sizeof X" it maybe a good idea to introduce the size_t-ness already in the multiplication for when you port it to a place with 16-bit ints, where (64 * 3072) will be 0.
< 1329500443 663219 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for checking
< 1329500451 873545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's the picking of nits.)
< 1329500490 367989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, there's no size_t literal suffix. Wouldn't 3072z look just peachy?)
< 1329500578 855768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could modify CWEB to add such things; WEB added various things to Pascal which they didn't have at first so you could do with C as well
< 1329500634 265578 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was mainly worried whether I even was technically correct, but I appreciate your style tips as well!
< 1329500684 139264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find anything to complain about on the correctness front, so I sort of had to make do.
< 1329500791 353697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I almost had to resort to the "malloc might return NULL" backup option.)
< 1329500825 332120 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am checking for NULL believe it or not :)
< 1329500886 126354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 64 * 3072 is constant, it *would* be possible to have unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; isobuf = malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *isobuf); without the whole array-of-pointers deal, but then isobuf has a slightly unwieldy type, and maybe looks a bit arcane.
< 1329500949 565240 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it!
< 1329501036 330484 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot
< 1329501283 99735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51  ,cc unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; size_t s = sizeof *isobuf;
< 1329501286 603822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:52  fizzie:   
< 1329501289 116779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one useful bot for checking that I'm not spouting pure bullcrap.
< 1329501291 334485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why can't you be that useful ever? 
< 1329501291 656685 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't that force you to use fnord to read a text stream/ to read a text i just wrote
< 1329501311 249164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I... guess that's fair. Never mind, then.
< 1329501311 632192 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i found some sql foo recently. it's often easier to be forced is not really
< 1329501649 585140 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update if you didn't see it
< 1329501796 155639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%d\n", (int) sizeof(isobuf));
< 1329501801 815405 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1329501807 745663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%d\n", (int) sizeof(*isobuf));
< 1329501809 620466 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :196608
< 1329501832 357813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one severely weird thing to do to C.
< 1329501863 789315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? 
< 1329501894 477457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not like it's going to perform bounds-checking, and the amount of space will be documented by the allocation anyway.
< 1329501917 217207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%zu\n", sizeof *isobuf); /* it's like *2011*, man, it's okay to use C99 features */
< 1329501919 16656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :196608
< 1329501945 394537 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you really absolutely needed sizeof(*isobuf) to be right for macros or something, there's that.
< 1329501993 608358 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I compile all my code with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic :)
< 1329501997 252673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-ansi = C89)
< 1329502105 586016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, C90
< 1329502126 718426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure what the weird thing was. I mean, the argument for "x = malloc(sizeof *x)" is that when you have a "struct funky *x" and you update it to "struct hunky *x" later, you don't have to remember to update a "x = malloc(sizeof(struct funky))" which, of course, wouldn't be detected at compile-time to be a problem.
< 1329502147 734043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also sizeof without parens looks cleaner.)
< 1329502219 937911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's highly unlikely that you're going to be able to swap a struct for an array regardless, the malloc being the same is only a first convenience on a path of suffering ...
< 1329502341 942641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a general-purpose justification for "malloc(sizeof *x)", where x might be one sort of a struct that gets changed to another, closely related sort.
< 1329502351 253122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1329502632 158112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(candide's funky "print out all locals at the end" thing is some sort of a gdb-driven thing.)
< 1329502787 902831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:19  ,cc char can_i_have_some_uninitialized_data_please[4096];
< 1329502788 90301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:19  fizzie:  ", ."> 
< 1329502792 279133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a bit boring.
< 1329502823 111395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's the ", ." part, I'm not sure what that's supposed to be.
< 1329503264 160756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does candide do for protection?
< 1329503287 725898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some sort of a VM thing.
< 1329503291 359641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe qemu? 
< 1329503302 82148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly, someone mentioned something about it.
< 1329503313 39188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the well-known ones, anyway.
< 1329503483 611217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31  ,cc #include \n system("cat /proc/cpuinfo");
< 1329503485 241714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31  fizzie: processor   : 0 vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD cpu family   : 6 model      : 2 model name   : QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.12.5 stepping   : 3 microcode   : 0x1000065 cpu MHz      : 800.000 ...
< 1329503528 906802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'ping 8.8.8.8'
< 1329503536 399025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329503544 518839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1329503545 303239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1329503547 114874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ping
< 1329503549 729603 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping
< 1329503563 736980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file `which ping`
< 1329503566 579111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
< 1329503570 607711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /hackenv/bin/ping
< 1329503572 982601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ echo pong
< 1329503574 97077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the best sort of ping.
< 1329503576 609189 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which -a ping
< 1329503579 589575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping \ /bin/ping
< 1329503595 509888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file /bin/ping
< 1329503598 766437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ping: setuid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
< 1329503603 847735 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ping 8.8.8.8
< 1329503606 55250 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect: Network is unreachable
< 1329503611 35858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp.
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< 1329505004 478958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, where is ais?
< 1329505004 790211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329505119 262338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_Portal#Site_move_.2F_wiki_read-only to anyone who hasn't seen it
< 1329505150 418809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:45:52:  wow it's really happening
< 1329505152 807661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY EVER BELIEVES ME
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< 1329505294 341422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, so you're MAKING THIS HAPEN.
< 1329505328 215115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it man.
< 1329505377 134849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1329505416 423658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just assumes Gregor is whoaing at my GETTING THINGS DONE lyfestyle.

< 1329505433 738336 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1329505436 634815 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now:
< 1329505438 959758 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1329505445 455119 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That whoah was at "lyfestyle"
< 1329505463 554022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This marks the first thing I have ever accomplished without Gregor's mockery.
< 1329505476 694794 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite true.
< 1329505480 97030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've done things I haven't noticed.
< 1329505495 484002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1329505501 62418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first thing I have ever accomplished.
< 1329505513 523747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that statement was vacuously true.
< 1329505543 449642 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.98.26 QUIT :
< 1329505585 376368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes about ten copies of esostuff.7z in different locations on his hard drive.

< 1329505609 912024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo cp esostuff.7z / && sudo chown root:root /esostuff.7z && sudo chmod 500 /esostuff.7z
< 1329505618 568057 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds useful were your HD to crash
< 1329505628 175226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like say if I were to drop my laptop.
< 1329506066 500709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50
< 1329506073 697258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :folez rended sovrainte hed rig tfi ptyczner num izrasoagh jlr dihiw qua avissio inflicheim romentalnuri fubau sametaria pogent souall ress via comr autstara prae electorei
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< 1329506760 155181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like 50 to me.
< 1329506762 555172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20
< 1329506765 561267 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :laisiiparvitsevassanovitra raisimmistamiin irtävältä vällänsäänsä hauksi havaksemmältä hallenne koukisimpan törmääremme sovesitoskin sisemmiksemme poimpienne kokoosissa karityksi tullasiksi epäivänansa yllyttä tuottauksi lisemiselviyöstöiksesi hyvänne
< 1329506831 277404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :213.222.12.125 - - [17/Feb/2012:11:46:49 +0000] "GET //phpMyAdmin//scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1" 404 169 "-" "Plesk"
< 1329506835 378994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehehehe
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< 1329507197 665627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1329507408 940770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue-Morse sequence as a Luigi program
< 1329507412 997746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;01;0;0;01;1;10;
< 1329507650 251850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hello!
< 1329507666 222930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Do we want the RC patrol stuff?
< 1329507666 479803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329507700 823286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone's hit my QBasic help file translation with the Google search ""QBASIC PATH NOT FOUND" WIN 7".
< 1329507703 832243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it was useful! 
< 1329507713 683380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you made me look at server logs.)
< 1329507749 737367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "-" is the referer, right?
< 1329507762 248248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, in the default log-config.
< 1329507775 125721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's nginx)
< 1329507794 322987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks like it's trying to be Apache-combatible, for log-file-lysis purposes.
< 1329507799 431027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329507843 536869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, a good old "GET /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:)" too. (It's one of those vulnubbarity scanners.)
< 1329507913 171289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/admin/index.php, /admin/pma/index.php, /admin/phpmyadmin/index.php, /db/index.php, /dbadmin/index.php, ..., /phpMyAdmin-2.5.6-rc1/index.php, ... -- it's like "how many ways you can spell it" contest.
< 1329507933 125656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good thing to look through a several-hundred-megabyte text file?
< 1329507955 531742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that depends on what you need to look for.
< 1329507955 718329 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to write, say, Maybe stuff in Smalltalk, would it be acceptable to use gather: as bind and with: on the class side as return?
< 1329507971 919870 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Collections pretty much do that, 
< 1329508023 746727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just want to browse it.
< 1329508051 378953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Monads are pointless in any dynamic language.
< 1329508063 833260 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1329508075 872764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write generic code at all without explicitly plumbing around the dictionary (in this case the class) everywhere, which makes it incredibly painful.
< 1329508085 627932 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nicer way to do list comprehensions in Smalltalk than a bunch of gathers?
< 1329508092 987094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1329508094 339090 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1. 2} gather: [:a | {1. 3} gather: [:b | Array with: (a+b)]]
< 1329508115 170017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody cares about my implementation of the Thue-Morse sequence in Luigi
< 1329508140 343237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I don't really know. I've used less with rather big files too; if you do something that requires it to do a line count (like "seek to 50%") there's a long pause, but afterwards it caches, for that one run. Maybe haven't done *several*-hundred-megabyte files, though.
< 1329508140 811391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, couldn't I make a trait or something, put the generic code in the trait?
< 1329508172 933827 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having some trouble working out how to browse and use traits though
< 1329508211 60875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of Vim and Emacs is, according to my own experiences, all that good about hueg files, at least out-of-the-box just-like-that.
< 1329508228 221933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1329508231 402750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Emacs seems to be working OK enough.
< 1329508234 138941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than vim.
< 1329508241 618835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file also has incredibly long lines, sigh
< 1329508245 510495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim I've found to be particularly awful with huge files.
< 1329508267 704738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, almost 1,000,000 col lines
< 1329508290 513409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh gof
< 1329508295 101870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god oh god
< 1329508295 657900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that, yes. But Emacs didn't deal all too well with a "single multi-megabyte line" file either. Movement was sort-of laggy.
< 1329508301 102093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god oh god oh god
< 1329508308 135572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it was in some non-optimal mode, though.
< 1329508309 964169 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try CL with SLIME?
< 1329508331 172407 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found the Ook!++ spec
< 1329508332 231689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you ever answer whether your login-watching was about stalking someone or something completely different? 
< 1329508334 643364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yah, I'm just resigned to a fairly painful experience.
< 1329508343 922056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Ctrl+down to skip huge lines seems to work OK.
< 1329508350 233624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, I don't remember if that was asked
< 1329508365 253563 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, professor wants us to stalk him?
< 1329508380 896415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O-kay then.
< 1329508408 886145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I hate more than MediaWiki?
< 1329508416 644442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PMWiki?
< 1329508418 942084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediawiki SQL dumps.
< 1329508544 658629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK, I have everything I need. I'll probably start installamating things later today or whenever ais is on.
< 1329508551 116078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less" does this 400M Apache log quite fine, though it doesn't have excessively long lines, and I'm not sure what would be the correct option to skip one of those. (Though "less -S" would show always one line on one line -- and then of course force you to scroll vertically to see what's beyond the edges.)
< 1329508600 581592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use less -S for looking at access.log.
< 1329508607 1904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the alignment of the fields and dates and such gets mucked up.
< 1329508610 121149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more scannable.
< 1329508614 732038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a true.
< 1329508779 177420 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329508885 680724 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-S?
< 1329508891 173004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disables line-wrapping.
< 1329508960 737803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scroll vertically" for that?
< 1329508962 862813 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1329509023 468707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down is up & up down &c.
< 1329509200 106101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to make a million Processes was a bad idea, I think
< 1329509214 819337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the migration plan might be slightly better adjusted slightly, to be a little out of sync with the two servers or with a brief period of inaccessibility.
< 1329509239 307752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Pharo's style of clarifying which ] goes with which [ is not so great for the colorblind
< 1329509303 691325 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the colorblind?
< 1329509315 259111 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1329509345 551955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What colours are used?
< 1329509405 12491 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :green and purple I think, for starters
< 1329509419 683551 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really tell right now, image frozen with my line selected
< 1329509432 718742 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing can't even do 100 processes comfortably.
< 1329509440 213484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Horizontally is probably what I was supposed to say. Vertically you need to scroll anyways.
< 1329509565 511448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like VERTEXUALLY???
< 1329509573 717747 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing doesn't seem to be able to handle even 100 processes
< 1329509579 87967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always scroll consensually only.
< 1329509586 669777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consentually? 
< 1329509598 372023 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 to: 100 do: [:x | [[true] whileTrue] fork]
< 1329509599 657958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensually, apparently.
< 1329509620 555249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't have second-guessed.
< 1329509733 346228 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried it with 10
< 1329509744 848551 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there was a difference: I didn't have Process Manager with autoupdate on
< 1329509774 964999 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things slowed down a bit. Things froze when I opened Process Manager and turned autoupdate on
< 1329510257 416531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329510316 266003 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a function which relates the number of turns taken in tictactoe with the number of x's on the board, then the derivative of that function would be about 1/2 eh
< 1329510381 615092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, duh. but ... wat?
< 1329510397 81103 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the derivative is 0 almost everywhere
< 1329510400 848742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1329510409 182795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you've seen the esowiki
< 1329510475 199175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't, I've only just got online
< 1329510475 487288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329510480 381429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1329510480 726345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 46m 54s ago: Do we want the RC patrol stuff?
< 1329510488 421404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, see the link at the bottom of the main page then
< 1329510504 58060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think Esolang's the right size for RC patrolling, it's best on medium-sized wikis
< 1329510514 337603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethackwiki's just the right size, but esolang's too small and wikipedia's too large
< 1329510541 41602 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't RC patrol work for small wikis?
< 1329510552 25905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, DB lock
< 1329510562 414591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because you want admins to check each change once each, rather than once between them
< 1329510588 99748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more importantly than DB lock, I contacted Graue and the process has begun :P
< 1329510593 205550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an esostuff.7z here
< 1329510598 960813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, several copies of it, because I'm paranoid
< 1329510620 332101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1329510624 114128 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not paranoid enough about suddenly turning into me?
< 1329510640 162301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've never considered that I might suddenly turn into you
< 1329510656 305847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I /did/, I'd have your memories not mine, so I probably wouldn't realise I was previously ais523
< 1329510664 2977 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's true for a wiki dedicated to weird things.
< 1329510698 752862 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION in particular is referring to a tendency of breaking hardware

< 1329510699 616047 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you taking over the wiki?
< 1329510709 325307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I would assume, if the function is defined like that, it has a discrete domain, and not that it's a step-function-like thing from (a part of) R.
< 1329510715 215706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yep
< 1329510766 453696 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun
< 1329510796 114702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new wiki overlords. (Isn't that what you're supposed to say in situations like this?)
< 1329510801 465245 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1329510802 963294 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is no derivative on a discrete domain
< 1329510810 373517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Right, so it's not 0.
< 1329510823 111974 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki overloads
< 1329510844 3028 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet the new boss, same as the old boss?... err wait maybe that's not the one :P
< 1329510852 635200 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. 
< 1329510895 650158 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess a tic tac toe game does not really become a continuous curve just because it's convenient
< 1329510912 606842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you are obliged to invent it
< 1329510917 690828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analytic tic-tac-toe
< 1329510928 473148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do thing with differences that are rather similar to derivatives, though.
< 1329510963 647932 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, incase you can't guess, i am reading up on derivatives as part of a quest to understand functions
< 1329510990 519927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't understand functions by reading about derivatives
< 1329510990 779419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: does anything actually use that EsoShell stuff? I'd rather not set up another namespace
< 1329510996 497761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're responsible for it
< 1329511001 898589 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there is much to understand about functions in general
< 1329511015 74298 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own namespace? 
< 1329511019 959811 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i see that it works if i warp "a function which the number of turns taken in tictactoe with the number of x's on the board" into   y = 0.5 * x
< 1329511040 458329 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously isn't really true about tictactoe
< 1329511041 313438 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link?
< 1329511057 669515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100
< 1329511058 474723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=101
< 1329511066 439134 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no 1.5 turns
< 1329511087 90588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point, even if you restrict x to integers, there aren't 0.5 crosses at turn 1.
< 1329511100 183949 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've (pointlessly) generalised the discrete function [1..5] -> [1..5] to the real function R -> R
< 1329511110 552418 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that's awesome I completely forgot about that
< 1329511120 334252 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter happens to have a derivative, but it also happens to have nothing to do with tic-tac-toe
< 1329511124 39961 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was using the wiki as a filesystem 
< 1329511150 440460 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go ahead and ditch that
< 1329511165 491206 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it's better than git!
< 1329511205 821522 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- used to be clever
< 1329511279 442923 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it there's no chance I'll be given a PSOX namespace
< 1329511282 687990 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1329511446 265090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you it is policy to ensure you are not given a PSOX namespace.
< 1329511655 561027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to see the spec for Ook!++?
< 1329511709 257585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what i can sort of imagine is both players having sort of squirt guns which constantly fill in part of the tictactoe board at a constant rate but player 1 begins squirting 1 turn early
< 1329511794 942736 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cross the streams
< 1329511817 837372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost as old as you can get while still being younger than the submition of the final manuscript of Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem
< 1329511828 555869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1329511834 744580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was on October 25, me on November 3)
< 1329511853 604948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that sounds suspiciously like a BF derivative
< 1329511888 67698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure it doesn't count if I had never really paid any attention to BF
< 1329511901 606626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it was when I was a little esolangling.
< 1329511904 246993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ook! is a BF derivative
< 1329511910 255156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sounds like a BF derivative derivative
< 1329511917 434106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER
< 1329511921 38403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF second derivative.
< 1329511941 914863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes called a BF curvature.
< 1329511945 499168 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a BF hundredth derivative might be so different from BF that it's actually good.
< 1329511993 444841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn, it's not even backwards compatible.
< 1329511994 313343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1329512101 4359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook!++ is however still true to the spirit of Ook!, in that it is usable by orang-utans
< 1329512116 453127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it introduces the "Eek" keyword.)
< 1329512187 598842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, real tic-tac-toe. Given two functions x(t) and o(t) on the unit square, 0 ≤ t ≤ 1 and x(t), o(t) ∈ ([0,1] × [0,1]). Each function "claims" the points it first passes through. If x(t) = o(t), neither function claims the point. The first function to claim all points on a line of length 1 wins.
< 1329512202 912948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure if the functions should be continuous.
< 1329512288 669584 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can both achieve the victory condition?
< 1329512290 783862 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not sure how many quantifiers are needed to express this game in first order logic
< 1329512292 691839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: How is this better than continuous chess?
< 1329512310 750824 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one goes along one diagonal and another goes along the other diagonal but neither are exactly on the diagonal
< 1329512317 795782 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm indirectly responsible for both i think
< 1329512318 875918 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much room for maneuvering is there
< 1329512334 230495 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's easier to write an AI!
< 1329512388 75269 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1329512396 612082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't restricted the functions to be continuous
< 1329512405 485232 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for the sake of analysis, I should
< 1329512415 279374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: How do you take turns in this thing? Do you just keep altering your functions? 
< 1329512433 422790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I imagine that it's just one function vs the other
< 1329512446 344801 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On turn 0? Jafet may have different ideas ofc
< 1329512448 254353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't even yet restricted the functions to be computable
< 1329512486 108494 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they can't be computable because they need to pass through a dense set
< 1329512505 644146 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, particular instances of the functions are definable
< 1329512517 412428 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by definition, we can only play using those
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< 1329512662 965486 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1329512693 523661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: by my understanding, 2 horizontal functions would result in a draw
< 1329512718 366243 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I didn't even think of two horizontal functions
< 1329512721 738405 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels derpy

< 1329512723 658349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they weer at the same horizontal
< 1329512733 890781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would still be a draw?
< 1329512739 872201 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case... they would draw but shamefully
< 1329512749 760868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put in a space-filling curve that fills the whole square, can you lose? I'm still not quite sure of the whole "first function" thing, is that like in terms of t or what? As in, the smallest t_e for which x(t) or o(t) with t \in [0,t_e] claims a line? But couldn't you just make a space-filling curve that's be arbitrarily "fast"? 
< 1329512771 671521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, but the other function can be equally fast
< 1329512779 589883 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh isee what ur saying now
< 1329512782 472601 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a draw by symmetry
< 1329512784 85075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to take turns...:-s
< 1329512786 517367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "claims a line of length 1 with minimal t"
< 1329512804 750362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was the correct meaning of "first"? Hokay.
< 1329512831 481239 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can inject any asymmetry into this game
< 1329512838 40286 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds a lot like tron as a function
< 1329512856 272486 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make x(t) start a finite amount earlier, since it can draw a line in any finite amount of time
< 1329512881 580422 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it start infinitesimally earlier, as long as you tell me what the hell that even means
< 1329512897 681125 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe x(t) is allowed to claim an arbitrary point first
< 1329512924 197586 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (as in go?) a countable set of points
< 1329512955 276784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be fun, less theoretically daunting, and easier to implement?
< 1329512962 192486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simultaneous tic-tac-toe
< 1329512979 788817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329512982 509774 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329513010 716286 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is with the turns thing?
< 1329513012 587011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1329513015 692687 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is thinking in terms of terns?
< 1329513016 357911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DIDN'T BELEIVE ME
< 1329513017 12972 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns
< 1329513020 524110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BELIEVE
< 1329513041 64249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyone who plays regular tic-tac-toe? 
< 1329513042 503166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO
< 1329513086 76573 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way of imagining this that i got was jousting functions
< 1329513215 826978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this is where everyone goes for names, right?
< 1329513223 823445 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CASE Bus System".  Come up with a backronym.
< 1329513244 566359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap-ass shit excrement
< 1329513248 846760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer-Aided Sex Education.
< 1329513251 26693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop with these really bad topics... 
< 1329513261 937362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy Alternate Singing Enterprise
< 1329513262 125841 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone plays tictactoe and for good reason
< 1329513266 785474 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider something related to bus systems?
< 1329513301 208058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what a bus system is. :/
< 1329513301 813671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbonated ale superbly eked
< 1329513314 557028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer-Aided Sex Education is a nice backronym, but it doesn't sound like the sort of thing a bus would be called.
< 1329513320 20723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :casebussystem asebussystem sebussystem ebussystem
< 1329513339 63302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet cool idea though
< 1329513391 899024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cockburningly, Amazingly, Seriously Expensive Bus System.
< 1329513406 529959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "Coburningly".)
< 1329513426 892157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that "CASE" isn't a great acronym for a bus system.
< 1329513451 753667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can acronyms stabilize ever?
< 1329513487 388172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What *is* a bus system? I mean, there's the system bus, and all kinds of different buses in different contexts. Or... is it, like, with wheels? A bus? 
< 1329513501 734415 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheel kind.
< 1329513504 928690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhh.
< 1329513510 853664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of, you know, buses.
< 1329513511 105355 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A giant box with wheels that people get into and wait until it rolls into the right spot.
< 1329513515 885148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheels on the bus go round and round
< 1329513519 952146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round and round
< 1329513525 167584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round and round
< 1329513526 286724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desert bus, right, I know about those.
< 1329513527 149126 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carriers for relatively large amounts of data?
< 1329513531 640660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheels on the bus go round and round
< 1329513537 193440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All day long
< 1329513552 725388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceteribus antabus sillybus exibus
< 1329513574 90381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cars Are Sorta Expensive
< 1329513593 755529 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ...yes!  I'm using that.
< 1329513601 368592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1329513641 753578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to go with "Clean And Sober Experience", by way of cheating via acronymfinder.
< 1329513693 34523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was the first I noticed on the list with positive bus-related qualities. But the car thing is better.)
< 1329513754 16426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars and shuttles explode
< 1329513801 320370 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-81.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1329513817 937404 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1329513835 507533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem
< 1329513872 622833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :capes always see exoskeletons
< 1329513892 806542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbon anemone saline eek
< 1329514114 164167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: çomeone already superiorated eu.
< 1329514118 893426 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329514228 881542 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329514292 461497 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329514305 130258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1329514307 419607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329514314 516741 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's everyone ...
< 1329514322 429713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going OK
< 1329514329 469564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're busy moving the wiki to another server atm
< 1329514346 51465 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see ... 
< 1329514361 421881 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... i'll check back later ...
< 1329514364 530095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: hi! how did you find out about this place?
< 1329514367 195544 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-208.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329514374 607802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good question.
< 1329514395 493410 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :searched for esoteric ... have a tooth for the mysterious ...
< 1329514406 607222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're probably talking about the other meaning of "esoteric"
< 1329514408 186886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: then
< 1329514409 680378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1329514409 926645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1329514411 777761 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i am intruding, i shall leave ...
< 1329514411 964522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1329514413 77429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: This channel we discuss a lot of various thing but mostly computer programming stuff.
< 1329514415 366345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good timing :)
< 1329514421 287769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1329514422 527931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: However, if you do have a question, please ask
< 1329514447 184957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We are rarely on topic but who knows)
< 1329514457 292000 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am not in your league ... i just started looking into python
< 1329514477 952223 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found your channel name intriguing ....
< 1329514511 910005 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: what zzo38 is trying to point out is that this isn't the place for study of necronomicon or the like (although it could be potentially)
< 1329514520 359655 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do not mind if i drop in when i run into a python road block
< 1329514531 519787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: Try the Python channel.
< 1329514551 544874 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah .. not everything esoteric is necromancy ...
< 1329514558 847265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a question about anything at all (on topic or not) please ask; we discuss a large number of things on this channel which are not on topic and can be confusing so ask whatever.
< 1329514565 811274 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey thanks ... have a great weekend ... theo
< 1329514575 59945 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is all about "weird" programming languages
< 1329514579 540529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Exactly. It isn't, but can be potentially if anyone has anything to say
< 1329514587 370958 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also uh..
< 1329514600 330522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I know a number of people called Theo
< 1329514601 520948 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PART :#esoteric
< 1329514602 750191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But still isn't the main topic regardless. The main topic is esoteric computer programming, but we are often not on topic)
< 1329514623 932259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I didn't know that.
< 1329514629 389714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4, to be precise
< 1329514633 81140 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theres nothing to stop someone making an occult esolang
< 1329514641 328322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMBIE?
< 1329514668 977848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1329514704 514695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do mention necromancy in that one... good point!!!
< 1329514729 479530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Snack.
< 1329514730 660987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying.
< 1329514737 598696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, there's no actual necromancy.
< 1329514748 385526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct.
< 1329515171 396343 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete p; Necromancer n; n.resurrect(p); http://delipit.ro/magazin/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/inglip.jpg
< 1329515338 762787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is inglip still around
< 1329515430 824070 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 778,000 results
< 1329515454 745585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not really relevant to my question
< 1329515467 246477 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your question is very difficult
< 1329515512 868558 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i would have to check inglip's homebase
< 1329515662 978588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please look at your user talk pages /binbf and /ffbimp
< 1329515672 116997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: please look at your user talk page /EsoS
< 1329515718 220839 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where, on esolangs.org or new wiki?
< 1329515719 455028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1329515744 102278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: esolangs.org
< 1329515750 866879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: thanks
< 1329515752 505494 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done, what about them?
< 1329515763 370145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I wasn't logged in)
< 1329515769 464375 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329515791 256910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to not bother copying this table:
< 1329515792 151294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSERT  DELAYED INTO `mw_user_newtalk` (`user_id`, `user_ip`) VALUES (5,''),(0,'Sgeo/binbf'),(0,'Ihope127/EsoS'),(0,'202.139.118.19'),(0,'Sgeo/ffbimp'),(0,'MediaWiki default'),(489,''),(214,''),(0,'75.3.255.119'),(0,'88.226.134.138'),(0,'89.245.108.252'),(0,'18.85.1.11'),(255,''),(0,'203.223.152.82'),(374,''),(368,''),(11,''),(0,'76.235.211.209'),(305,''),(295,''),(529,''),(294,''),(545,''),(3,''),(12,''),(0,'96.32.244.172'),(369,''),(34,''),(0,'
< 1329515792 339991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :122.213.250.14'),(0,'60.217.232.70'),(0,'202.176.202.137'),(0,'92.86.78.203'),(0,'72.200.73.175'),(0,'95.169.184.138'),(0,'200.29.96.75'),(580,''),(22,''),(27,''),(357,''),(21,''),(2,''),(669,''),(26,''),(468,''),(831,''),(592,''),(0,'188.121.63.154'),(562,''),(557,''),(0,'88.22.228.4'),(0,'71.238.223.31'),(0,'82.195.156.186'),(0,'63.105.26.46'),(0,'216.83.145.130'),(0,'68.226.23.83'),(0,'195.229.242.57'),(29,''),(0,'88.23.182.79'),(475,''),(0,'1
< 1329515794 30401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24.6.181.166'),(228,''),(0,'66.188.73.213'),(650,''),(154,''),(0,'64.75.72.4'),(0,'Ling111216L;'),(623,''),(0,'69.72.75.139'),(586,''),(661,''),(71,''),(0,'68.95.248.65'),(789,''),(771,''),(837,''),(838,''),(0,'Ling111216G'),(0,'Ling111216N'),(2712,'');
< 1329515798 51491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just enabled that :P
< 1329515831 706934 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to copy over our pages?
< 1329515837 119282 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what?
< 1329515843 412906 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as in, things we didn't check?
< 1329515847 269398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my user_id is 0 and my IP address is 'Ihope127/EsoS'?
< 1329515852 763135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: right
< 1329515857 982432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes!
< 1329515994 9065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1329515996 85609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: TTFN
< 1329516612 146079 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329516757 225069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am learning far more about MediaWiki than I ever intended to.
< 1329517269 948245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that looks like the "you have new messages" banner table
< 1329517363 907591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, indeed
< 1329517381 710857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also had its schema changed since, so dropping it = one fewer thing that can gow rong
< 1329517382 752728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Orange Bar of Doom
< 1329517388 816598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, yes
< 1329517470 502281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just remembered that Wikipedia Review exists
< 1329517643 956477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some common configurations of MySQL 4.1 and later, mysqldump can corrupt MediaWiki's stored text. If your database's character set is set to "latin1" rather than "UTF-8", mysqldump in 4.1+ will apply a character set conversion step which can corrupt text containing non-English characters as well as punctuation like "smart quotes" and long dashes used in English text.
< 1329517651 629459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1329517654 73971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remind me to check that
< 1329517712 843132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK
< 1329517716 905698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what that's a bug in
< 1329517725 667089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a set of locally reasonable configurations that make no sense globally
< 1329517855 15951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `ar_title` varchar(255) character set latin1 collate latin1_bin NOT NULL default '',
< 1329517858 662336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is latin-1 up the wazoo :(
< 1329517893 811107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to just remove those

< 1329517938 163676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm
< 1329517943 247416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the Perl for going to the next iteration of a while?
< 1329517949 88755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next;
< 1329517949 275499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"next" seems to switch to the next element without breaking control
< 1329517964 555479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you put it inside a bare block?
< 1329517967 569430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm...
< 1329517968 59643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1329517974 114986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while -> if -> if -> next
< 1329517986 749415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say which loop you mean by labelling the loop, LOOPNAME: while(...) {}
< 1329517989 976608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do next LOOPNAME;
< 1329517992 361171 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-208.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329518025 968081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's only one loop!
< 1329518042 339049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aIig
< 1329518047 637486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outputs the linse
< 1329518049 51787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `blob_index` varchar(255) character set latin1 collate latin1_bin NOT NULL default '',
< 1329518049 238690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `blob_data` longblob NOT NULL,
< 1329518049 238807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  UNIQUE KEY `blob_index` (`blob_index`)
< 1329518049 238852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1;
< 1329518051 104663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite them being below
< 1329518057 829138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREATE TABLE `mw_blobs` (
< 1329518059 856684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is in $ignore
< 1329518061 342323 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329518062 501219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the "next" should trigger
< 1329518065 440049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lines
< 1329518073 443493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfly, it /doesn't/ output the CREATE TABLE line itself
< 1329518075 220139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mw_blobs
< 1329518173 668126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :'(
< 1329518182 803005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you don't write quick scripts in languages you don't really know
< 1329518225 663636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1329518241 327017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "break;"
< 1329518243 583223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean "last;"?
< 1329518252 412683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1329518252 599345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what break does in Perl, but it's not the same as in C
< 1329518254 294616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "break" do?
< 1329518255 13191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1329518266 263991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works. thank you :)
< 1329518266 451030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks out of the enclosing given() block
< 1329518288 551563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looked it up
< 1329518312 211360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without a use feature, that'll be interpreted as "break";, i.e. a no-op
< 1329518316 404463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend turning on strict and warnings
< 1329518325 607750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, I forgot those aren't on by default
< 1329518341 441266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott users 198M Feb 17 09:47 esostuff/fulldump.sql
< 1329518341 643972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott users 174M Feb 17 22:38 minidump.sql
< 1329518345 87833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that mini...
< 1329518424 796188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1329518550 440883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, finally
< 1329518569 690697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be... interesting
< 1329518602 76786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, what's a better hostname, solidity or solidus?
< 1329518609 451133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soliditus
< 1329518617 959792 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidicious
< 1329518619 683058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for Esolang, the first
< 1329518630 41241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the more direct reference
< 1329518643 634874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave it as it is, then
< 1329518652 258562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1329518652 638985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329518669 459085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, my connection is slow because I'm uploading esostuff.7z
< 1329518677 396771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329518777 972017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: 17-Feb-2012 22:26
< 1329518838 910510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've said "note to self: 20 minutes ago".
< 1329518853 524569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the timezone
< 1329518863 358710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the logs?
< 1329518885 970486 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you expect to find the note to self?
< 1329518927 405602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: irc logs
< 1329518954 917938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we need to spam the logs when elliott is gone.
< 1329518974 149124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they'll develop a better notetoselfing system.
< 1329519042 697448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought your note to self was pointing to something you said
< 1329519073 157117 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you were
< 1329519074 70767 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1329519202 619391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't.
< 1329519386 703865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1329519555 435560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: get the fire extinguisher
< 1329519573 78947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, are we about to have a flamewar?
< 1329519588 347268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to deal with MediaWiki; that's basically the same, right?
< 1329519589 614247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I turn my computer or network connection off? no way you can make it catch fire remotely if you don't have a connection
< 1329519593 565495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, perhaps
< 1329519599 102857 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1329519636 839628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scp minidump.sql.gz

< 1329519676 938970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I bet the EsoShell pages cause problems
< 1329520097 306427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡!
< 1329520120 850799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what
< 1329520167 747367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, esoteric programming language invents YOU!!! 
< 1329520205 868687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329520251 382217 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A very short exclamation en español.
< 1329520339 576869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi monqy, take a look at the wiki.
< 1329520364 480842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beware, looking at it will SHATTER YOUR FEEBLE MIND
< 1329520400 470634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no its graue
< 1329520446 539686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you fix the wiki yet?
< 1329520464 466253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, I'm working on restoring the SQL dump now.
< 1329520472 481113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be read-only for the next two to three days.
< 1329520490 210940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1329520531 781140 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you interpret the lines on your hand as a computer program?
< 1329520579 307577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1329520618 425436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1329520644 130583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const (putStrLn "hello, world")
< 1329520684 374249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what I meant.
< 1329520701 356971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean making each one different
< 1329520701 568177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats eliots hands
< 1329520723 333734 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hands are const (putStrLn "hi")
< 1329520723 555610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also don't mean you personally.
< 1329520730 172641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the const mean?  as in uhh.. is that related to the K in SKI?
< 1329520739 444529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes it is same thing
< 1329520756 571595 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1329520866 478212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a jukebox described in one of Hofstadter's book. It is a very large one, with only one record, which seems ordinary. There are many record players which will move on rails and touch the record. Each record player plays different music from the same record. Can we make up a esolang like this?
< 1329520979 165999 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.. that is weird.
< 1329521021 623021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Arguably, if the set of all record players is taken to be the set of all languages for which all input strings are syntactically valid, then we already have that, although we don't have very many record players.
< 1329521072 321701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ....OK.
< 1329521137 576211 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, can someone help explain const (putStrLn "hi") to me?
< 1329521148 143706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yep
< 1329521150 801298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x y = y
< 1329521156 947955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1329521158 171963 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x y = x
< 1329521179 912325 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: (const x) evaluates to a function which, when applied, ignores its argument and returns x.
< 1329521186 800546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it takes any argument and returns a program with prints "hi"
< 1329521274 361983 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so x is (putStrLn "hi")
< 1329521286 736482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about the parentheses doing that
< 1329521346 141940 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it makes sense in a kind of intuitive way
< 1329521666 182006 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1329521710 162061 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how complex a sprite could be
< 1329521749 378334 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this idea starts to quickly get weird
< 1329521767 824435 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like first a sprite is defined by it's width and height in pixels
< 1329521836 788626 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then with an alpha channel, each new pixel is a function of the previous pixel
< 1329521881 786370 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but each new pixel could be a function of the neighborhood of the previous pixel
< 1329522031 419600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news: the SQL import is going well
< 1329522067 840456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1329522077 586128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be that each new pixel is a function of the neighborhoods of the last n previous pixels
< 1329522723 893457 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1329522724 570515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: a polyglot is a rather ironic thing to call a language.
< 1329522908 642007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: OK
< 1329522919 90277 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329522950 163682 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1329523038 884534 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is xcbzone? Google is unhelpful, and from context I'm guessing a game
< 1329524049 109557 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329524063 94986 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite ironic
< 1329524150 203171 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's running really slow
< 1329524589 189060 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it appears to be a fictional game.. which means it's whatever you imagine it to be
< 1329524590 199901 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329524929 187506 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so im wrong and thats not what fictional game means.
< 1329525045 260600 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what?
< 1329525070 387820 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. there is no xcbzone.. its just a fictional entity
< 1329526586 154194 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1329528140 366647 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329528711 734324 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1329529272 268872 :jbander!~jbander@69-176-229-62.static.izoom.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1329530539 111959 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329530590 486757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1329530590 673458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1329530590 860252 :zbrown!~zbrown@unaffiliated/zbrown QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1329530965 43800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329531040 532923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm
< 1329531057 936786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1329531058 247128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329531085 544184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@king
< 1329531085 740929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: kind ping
< 1329531090 191260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@queen
< 1329531090 530010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1329531101 138935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?thank you
< 1329531101 487680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks
< 1329531380 6216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: STOP SLEEPIN'
< 1329531449 733711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You're awake, right?
< 1329531505 439048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: here
< 1329531602 270294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
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< 1329545388 627603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome maki
< 1329545391 683703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :maki: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329545471 170502 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1329545475 844323 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you bots?
< 1329545500 775933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1329545508 486664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well HackEgo is
< 1329545521 998417 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1329545547 358135 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn brainfuck
< 1329545565 823100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1329545603 55752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place is a bit quiet right now i'm afraid
< 1329545610 27077 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe yes, their channel says "go to esoteric", so here I am :)
< 1329545612 694415 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading the BOFH archives

< 1329545620 178329 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is they?
< 1329545627 614153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a brainfuck channel?
< 1329545646 738650 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329545664 280498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's i think
< 1329545685 341862 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't usually this quiet here, btw. Although elliott left, so it's quieted down, but he's visiting. Unless he's staying.
< 1329545765 175490 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this channel exactly about?
< 1329545797 672533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, about esoteric programming languages, which includes brainfuck
< 1329545800 321717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotercic programming languages
< 1329545812 141172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the wiki for a definition
< 1329545816 565396 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, we talk about whatever. Often programming or computer science or math related.
< 1329545823 588846 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not always
< 1329545826 297912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hackego linked it)
< 1329545925 635923 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually want to make an interpreter of  i
< 1329545927 507507 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1329545949 200512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fairly easy in most languages
< 1329545963 204032 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in brainfuck
< 1329545972 695471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been done
< 1329545974 856111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many times
< 1329545986 433945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbfi is like 4 lines iirc
< 1329545996 647774 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbfi?
< 1329546066 252201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :daniel cristofani's brainfuck interp in brainfuck
< 1329546074 475424 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329546279 231883 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc?
< 1329546290 939037 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i recall correctly
< 1329546291 164204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i recall correctly
< 1329546308 315485 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 lines elliott
< 1329546311 56997 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1329546314 313350 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5ish
< 1329546324 469203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a line
< 1329546337 668841 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 chars?
< 1329546371 488862 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.5* actually
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< 1329547760 275622 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck interpreter in brainfuck?
< 1329547795 993660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens
< 1329547831 29147 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let that be my project
< 1329547851 515649 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, got to go. Hope to be around
< 1329547893 883152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :)
< 1329547935 536987 :maki!ba1cb7c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.183.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :)
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< 1329549424 793528 :|area|!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :[-away-]
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< 1329552236 688725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK................................................................................................................................?
< 1329552329 564489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1329552342 882115 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡
< 1329552869 370644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking of the text adventure game system in Haskell.
< 1329552932 526434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The container currently [ObjID] but maybe I should include the quantity, so that you can have parts of an object in different places such as money and so on. Or maybe do it something differently? I am not exactly sure
< 1329553825 667573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a better way... for most things... I don't know...
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< 1329553831 976841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit: hello
< 1329553865 841478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: I don't have color of keys
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< 1329556761 201690 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1329556823 463117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1329557285 514234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you see THE WIKI,
< 1329557294 850213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nay, I did not.
< 1329557372 46366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which wiki would this be?
< 1329557380 419047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The read only, which indeed I did see?
< 1329557383 121114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329557387 534593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that.
< 1329557400 621363 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the new one, hosted by thee?
< 1329557498 349381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that one hasn't apparated yet.
< 1329557562 476317 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may yet change the specifications of Luigi
< 1329557577 259872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alphabet is unnecessary
< 1329557639 278240 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would like to add context-sensitivity and make ambiguity an error
< 1329557728 487950 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329557735 522069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers.
< 1329558458 174017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noticed that. "Many of the things linked here are likely to be out of date and under-maintained, even abandoned." (Haven't looked closer.)
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< 1329559302 366506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU DIDN'T BELIEEEVE ME
< 1329559321 45995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: & yet also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec, plus: "mwlib	PediaPress.com	Python	Markup and other	parse tree, HTML, PDF, XML, OpenDocument	Part of cooperation between Wikimedia Foundation and PediaPress	BSD"
< 1329559342 469434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also "mediawiki-parser	Peter Potrowl
< 1329559342 656238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erik Rose	Python	Markup	XHTML, raw text, AST	GSoC-2011 project; the use of a PEG parser makes it easy to improve
< 1329559342 656444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parser functions are not supported yet.")
< 1329559353 882265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wager that mwlib thing works properly if the Foundation were involved and PediaPress use it.
< 1329559356 484427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, it wasn't you, it was just that the event itself violated what i believed to be fundamental laws of the universe
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< 1329559461 49892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What event would that be?
< 1329559487 499102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the event of the esolang wiki getting decent administration and upgrading
< 1329559515 197346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm even going to finally make you an admin!!!!!!!
< 1329559593 149675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't worry, I'm kidding.
< 1329559597 69012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It'll be much more effective as a threat.
< 1329559607 727771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1329559645 989817 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, sorry for failing to notify you of the Flash.
< 1329559655 61158 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a flash, and just now an update after it
< 1329559786 931636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, do you realise what this *means*?
< 1329559809 195002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can no longer just point Timwi at Graue. :(
< 1329559823 19450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm diplomatic now. I'm not allowed to say things like that.
< 1329559868 378366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1329559895 899031 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi?
< 1329559914 707394 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some person on the wiki who's not good at esolang making?
< 1329559932 912184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're excellent at esolang making.
< 1329559956 837212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so the person I keep mixing up with someone who's not good at esolang making
< 1329559958 593161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also excellent at persistently requesting how to contact Graue to become an administrator.
< 1329559959 840593 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think?
< 1329559961 877539 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1329560000 1188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has lead to some awkward hours in this channel.
< 1329560017 281157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also thinks we should move the wiki to somewhere with an admin that responds to requests like that.
< 1329560023 407996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So............ yeah..............................................
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< 1329560068 335654 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he think it should be a positive response?
< 1329560090 445294 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does he think it's ok if the admin gives a negative response, as long as it's a response?
< 1329560100 577011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diplomacy crash course coming up
< 1329560117 779853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have no idea, but he's persistent.
< 1329560118 392030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1329560128 163965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for you
< 1329560140 77713 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, you need seven players.
< 1329560170 756615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's quite bestest how MW can parse "''The '''quick'' brown''' fox".
< 1329560198 630633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus also "'''''abc def'' quux'''", one presumes.
< 1329560220 620148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great if "''''abc def''' quux''" caused the interpretation of the first quote-sequence to change to avoid rebalancing.
< 1329560445 322671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc def quux
< 1329560488 770969 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PART :#esoteric
< 1329560603 613445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oerjan: Can you wake Alan Dipert up?
< 1329560699 956493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks,
< 1329560700 734984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1329560724 502543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is alan dipert again
< 1329560778 708297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sle*reah or seb*bu
< 1329560841 895339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, the owner of esolangs.org?
< 1329560869 288642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some kinda blogger, I see.
< 1329560953 892085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1329561008 368561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he wakes up if you say his name three times in front of a mirror. But not sure.
< 1329561130 35865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph i was going to make a joke on having to pronounce it perfectly, but that is ruined by the fact he seems to be american, not french
< 1329561329 788360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might sort of explain why he's asleep
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< 1329561548 81453 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-63.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329561621 697245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate America. :(
< 1329561624 140744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries

< 1329561649 8619 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the no-fly list.
< 1329561653 24685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :al qaeda is thataway
< 1329561851 79971 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm afraid that we'll have to extradite you to somewhere simultaneously inside and outside of US jurisdiction.
< 1329561911 858686 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum jurisdiction
< 1329561961 176547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small cell in CERN, just wedged between the french and swiss borders
< 1329561971 902322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, it's merely defined to be whichever is most convenient for the current purpose.
< 1329562546 264158 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's because I've heard from elsewhere that CL's community can be a bit harsh that's making me think it, but I think #lisp is acting quite sarcastic to me
< 1329562589 45194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, #lisp is Smug Lisp Weeniedom personified.
< 1329562732 563889 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329562766 989856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would like to warn you that I am about to spam.
< 1329562773 661608 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329562785 831709 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if #lisp is representative of "the Lisp community" or if that's even a thing
< 1329562804 941162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://viagra.cialis/
< 1329562809 167819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREMBLE IN FEAR.
< 1329562816 593082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, someone joined. Hello tzxn3.
< 1329562825 962036 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329562828 715458 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1329562838 363574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329562849 890330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1329562911 100524 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think #haskell is particularly representative of "the Haskell community"
< 1329562912 330751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a valid url, is it?
< 1329562922 733494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if you have $100k or so.
< 1329562936 556744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything always comes back round to #haskell with kmc.
< 1329562936 760113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1329562944 362407 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true
< 1329562954 172399 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a huge leap from #lisp though
< 1329562967 496576 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no experience with #lisp
< 1329563002 638626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does it take to get to America?
< 1329563012 586641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | The #haskell diaspora | Resistance is sexyliccipie, thus voltage is kinsley times currant. | Electric bonobos, all the rage.
< 1329563318 779525 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Define a location in "America", it varies.
< 1329563361 421299 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have 8 hour plane trips without leaving the country, IIRC.
< 1329563367 869411 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the continet?
< 1329563370 196571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continent.
< 1329563371 573945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1329563399 944246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicontinental mess
< 1329563478 241706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Wherever Alan Dipert is.
< 1329563610 111803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1329563626 690536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my second laptop is on its last legs
< 1329563649 901135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have been all the raving.
< 1329563657 361528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have a tower of broken laptops
< 1329563744 77910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Googling suggests he's in North California.
< 1329563753 234952 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1329563755 423351 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Carolina.
< 1329563762 736218 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly an 8 hour flight.
< 1329563781 521571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there any supersonic planes to North Carolina?
< 1329563795 479246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't any supersonic planes in non-military use.
< 1329563797 841667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to wait ~10 hours, but waiting ~8 hours is almost as bad. :(
< 1329563799 108755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, they stopped those once the pilots started all getting cancer
< 1329563808 368960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Okay, so how do I get on a military use plane?
< 1329563816 576904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is results-oriented.

< 1329563822 63847 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take over the UK.
< 1329563828 839986 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find an airbase and ask nicely?
< 1329563840 983860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suggest finding a scam in UK laws. There's bound to be several)
< 1329563855 644256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK laws are tricky.
< 1329563862 672168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of them don't really exist
< 1329563897 938440 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A significant fraction exist only in theory, but have long since gone the way of the Library of Alexandria.
< 1329563937 525581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is the point where you realize alan dipert is on a weekend trip to an isolated cottage in the appalachians
< 1329563955 238296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, nuke the Appalachians. World'll be better for it.
< 1329564301 297723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear.
< 1329564389 168374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still compulsively checking the wiki for updates
< 1329564437 873711 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329564443 834771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost did that once, but i managed to reach the abort button before it loaded
< 1329564469 628876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to F5 to see if it's been migrated yet, you'll want to load http://esolangs.org/.
< 1329564479 54573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric.voxelperfect.net might still point to the old wiki for up to a day.
< 1329564514 95125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will esolangs.org automatically be the wiki, or will it give the three options?
< 1329564528 52909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three options?
< 1329564538 380694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki, File archive, and forum
< 1329564551 658607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forum is going the way of the dodo.
< 1329564562 650880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org will redirect to the wiki; I'll stick a link to the file archive somewhere on the wiki.
< 1329564591 563170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already is one, I believe
< 1329564612 551388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's going to be a brand new wiki?
< 1329564635 486941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1329564645 411955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's no readily-accessible link.
< 1329564648 165807 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang:The_Esoteric_File_Archive
< 1329564654 923048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 clicks from main page
< 1329564739 477756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the community portal is good enough.
< 1329564753 656202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little annoying if old links stop working, isn't it
< 1329564772 295148 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-63.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329564803 749460 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-63.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329564829 866512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have no idea what conclusion you've jumped to.
< 1329564832 291101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i hope you don't make them do that
< 1329564869 874890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you also hope I don't kill a dozen kittens. I'm not sure why you would think links would break...
< 1329564887 144844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to things in the file archive, i mean
< 1329564897 176065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue will continue to host the file archive.
< 1329564918 117443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can set up a redirect from /files/* to the appropriate server. Though not today.
< 1329564927 449777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was hoping
< 1329564944 677429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I very much doubt there are many links to it, though.
< 1329564956 682513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, perhaps someone will find this useful, some day: http://sprunge.us/hgaT
< 1329564981 681204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for example the version of the underload spec on the archive is the official one, i think it has been linked from blogs
< 1329565031 125842 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I count 29 esolangs at least where the article links tot he file archive
< 1329565043 760544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Underload]] links to esoteric.voxelperfect.net.
< 1329565055 582471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=esolangs.org%2Ffiles&go=Go
< 1329565060 199425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT nothing links to esolangs.org/files.
< 1329565068 408722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny
< 1329565075 529688 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-63.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1329565082 397944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gregor_Richards does.
< 1329565083 999339 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329565099 499255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1131382031/ (but this is irrelevant), http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Aura
< 1329565110 511008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, there's quite a few
< 1329565113 425483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I cba to set up a redirect today
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< 1329565152 18257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, can I spam some more?
< 1329565166 787476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1329565179 233476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... that wasn't really so much a request as a fair warning.
< 1329565186 408899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me like 5 minutes to prepare this spamart.
< 1329565188 671005 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1329565188 712951 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565192 777790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1329565206 614559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no heart.
< 1329565214 626874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only 63 lines.
< 1329565217 100216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your words hurt
< 1329565221 59506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like two minutes at the worst.
< 1329565259 682347 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329565269 460103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if it's not worth getting banned for, it cannot be that great.
< 1329565272 42731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok.
< 1329565277 927539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
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< 1329565300 123457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1329565315 717771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOP
< 1329565315 903806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : EYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTO
< 1329565315 904103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  PEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOT
< 1329565315 904219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   OPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISO
< 1329565315 904333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    TOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEIS
< 1329565316 729512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :     OTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEI
< 1329565318 732291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      SOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHE
< 1329565320 733474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTH
< 1329565322 763598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        EISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOT
< 1329565324 731700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         HEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTO
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< 1329565332 742507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             NTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBED
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< 1329565338 777638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                EDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSOR
< 1329565340 797028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 BEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSO
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< 1329565344 793232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   ORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEAB
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< 1329565360 791388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           ILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOU
< 1329565362 816329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            WILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYO
< 1329565364 818398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             UWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEY
< 1329565366 803460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                              OUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPE
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< 1329565380 809985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         SOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHE
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< 1329565384 860404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       EISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOT
< 1329565386 865194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      HEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTO
< 1329565388 821400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     THEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDINT
< 1329565390 860509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    OTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDIN
< 1329565392 827855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   TOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBEDI
< 1329565394 830465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  NTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBED
< 1329565396 833622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 INTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORBE
< 1329565398 842766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                DINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSORB
< 1329565400 839044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :               EDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSOR
< 1329565402 841619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              BEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABSO
< 1329565404 846170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :             RBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEABS
< 1329565406 847853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            ORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEAB
< 1329565408 860624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           SORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBEA
< 1329565410 869772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          BSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLBE
< 1329565412 855504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILLB
< 1329565414 858252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        EABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWILL
< 1329565416 861259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       BEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWIL
< 1329565418 868371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      LBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUWI
< 1329565420 866675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :     LLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOUW
< 1329565422 954176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYOU
< 1329565424 871699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   WILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEYO
< 1329565426 896374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  UWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPEY
< 1329565428 158101 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[
< 1329565428 910031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : OUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOPE
< 1329565430 895434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUWILLBEABSORBEDINTOTHEISOTOP
< 1329565432 881593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visualise in monospaced font for best spam-art-o-experience.
< 1329565439 98843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now ban shachaf.
< 1329565449 119229 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1329565449 135361 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565478 42977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric shachaf :Don't sabotage or wonderful spam!
< 1329565484 450107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1329565484 472614 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565488 500810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*our
< 1329565489 253126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree; one should never sabotage *or* wonderful spam.
< 1329565490 568058 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-151.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1329565502 473862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, look at those *patterns*, man.
< 1329565507 277009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top half almost looks 3D.
< 1329565516 232324 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329565526 543128 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You need to learn the difference between "kick" and "ban",
< 1329565537 192213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best part???? You can read the bottom-left up and it's THE SAME SENTENCE.
< 1329565548 538174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i just thought you deserved a first time warning, is all.
< 1329565582 511851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same for the bottom-right up.)
< 1329565586 75474 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A first-time warning is a ban without a kick.
< 1329565592 388194 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a kick without a ban.
< 1329565599 598812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's right.
< 1329565605 395764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do him justice and ban him without a kick.
< 1329565610 668208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He deserves a proper first-time warning.
< 1329565610 987618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1329565614 569228 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1329565614 590764 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565621 814440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*shachaf@*.members.linode.com
> 1329565621 837154 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565624 8772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1329565626 186603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1329565628 97345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1329565628 120167 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565630 890016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Think about what you've done.
< 1329565677 244447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the worst non-symbol font for reading IRC in
< 1329565679 140356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So do I get this much leeway every time I break one of the laws of the universe?
< 1329565686 162480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Zapfino.
< 1329565688 39131 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, the worst is Vladimir Script
< 1329565691 733607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.  but only then.
< 1329565712 97511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1329565712 999523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have I mentioned I plan to CONTINUALLY IMPROVE Esolang???
< 1329565725 289140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR EXAMPLE
< 1329565726 350013 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1329565726 361628 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565728 642677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the language list?
< 1329565734 997443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*shachaf@*.members.linode.com
> 1329565735 19098 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565737 372648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's going to become an automatically-generated table from the category, man.
< 1329565743 720422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be able to SORT by COMPUTATIONAL CLASS.
< 1329565747 397667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems shachaf may not have thought things through properly.
< 1329565752 323579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1329565752 340116 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1329565783 205883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329565787 283570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parry Hotter is a pretty weird font for reading IRC in
< 1329565798 883039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where I got all these fonts
< 1329565804 32211 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotter than whom?
< 1329565839 532444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question
< 1329565889 446262 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh crikey. elliott, look outside at the weather
< 1329565923 963241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as hexham takes control of our wiki, it is swept away by a tsunami.  how sad.
< 1329565937 2974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's quite weather, yes.
< 1329566143 625065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you feel absorbed, yet?
< 1329566274 40001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am still stuck in the matrix of solidity.
< 1329566979 704621 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is turning into a sarcastic person.

< 1329566989 48029 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-stm/doc/tutorial.html
< 1329566989 276858 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : What a helpful tutorial.
< 1329567025 49995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thrilling.
< 1329567052 41326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are you going through all the languages you spent approx. 3 seconds with again in reverse chronological order?
< 1329567125 360166 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't entirely aware of me going through these in any particular order relevant to my last language hunt
< 1329567331 864930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you *believe* Linode gave me a month and a half for the cost of half a month?!
< 1329567377 357673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there must be a word for that sort of thing in the illicit drug business.
< 1329567443 858727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the word is: BARGAIN.
< 1329567447 141316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me square root of minus garfield is having technical problems.
< 1329567461 799032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm
< 1329567480 510577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yesterday.
< 1329567502 29339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION managed to confuse himself a bit there.

< 1329567515 520386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very hard thing to do.
< 1329567537 170679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    YBEING            MATRIX
< 1329567537 358489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   O      L          R      O
< 1329567537 358700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  J        O        U        F        !
< 1329567537 358807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : N          C      O          S      Y
< 1329567537 358955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E            KEDINY            OLIDIT
< 1329567595 366920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1329567612 319385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if you had a 5 line paste limit
< 1329567624 827887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, did I miss something?
< 1329567666 504442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you didn't maximize height
< 1329567681 344988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In certain moments of boredness i’ve done synchronized screenfuls of sine wavey text as alternating lines with a friend on IRC. :-P
< 1329567681 588787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETIMES spamart can come in horizontal forms too, you know???
< 1329567688 609638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow!
< 1329567714 960255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: so are you familiar with the fine art of oko, then
< 1329567715 983797 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromList "hello" <| 'a' <| 'b'
< 1329567716 246904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I dearly hope to never discover the level of boredom required to think that's fun.
< 1329567716 912726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `<|'Not in scope: `<|'
< 1329567728 272092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1329567729 780699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1329567730 707845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1329567731 716501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1329567733 196165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1329567734 755137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1329567736 597995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1329567738 593081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Sequence.fromList "hello" Data.Sequence.<| 'a' Data.Sequence.<| 'b'
< 1329567739 427072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Data.Sequence.fromList'Not in scope: `Data.Sequence.<|'Not i...
< 1329567739 613761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1329567743 333026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :(
< 1329567754 679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS IMPORTANT
< 1329567762 466963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Seq.fromList
< 1329567762 851026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a part of the okoer's burden to be interrupted
< 1329567763 464105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1329567763 692995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             ([a] -...
< 1329567796 889095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Seq.fromList "hello" Seq.<| 'a' Seq.<| 'b'
< 1329567797 680418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Sequence.Seq GHC.Types.Char'
< 1329567797 928475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        aga...
< 1329567812 499745 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Seq.fromList "hello" Seq.<| 'a') Seq.<| 'b'
< 1329567813 480339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Sequence.Seq
< 1329567813 703043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           ...
< 1329567839 587858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Seq.fromList "hello" Seq.|> 'a') Seq.|> 'b'
< 1329567840 369841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't suffer from overmuch discoverability in its module import choices
< 1329567840 557766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList "helloab"
< 1329567850 196485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Seq.fromList "hello" Seq.|> 'a' Seq.|> 'b'
< 1329567851 88173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList "helloab"
< 1329567853 806477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1329567859 940635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, lambdabot
< 1329567865 527097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thambdabot
< 1329567920 971834 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fold
< 1329567921 860769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `fold'
< 1329567927 339299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Foldable.fold
< 1329567928 188250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find qualified module.
< 1329567930 477203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion++
< 1329567938 255097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Finnishness is offset by your Look Around You references.
< 1329567941 547445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Foldable.fold
< 1329567942 437802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (t :: * -> *) m. (Data.Foldable.Foldable t, Monoid m) => t m -> m
< 1329567970 591894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Foldable.fold (Seq.fromList "hello") :: String
< 1329567971 476755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Base.String'
< 1329567971 787722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred typ...
< 1329567978 894060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1329567980 482599 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1329567989 249079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ruined everything
< 1329567990 429212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Char is not Monoid
< 1329567996 756585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what semantics do you want?
< 1329568008 477949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you looking for
< 1329568011 654004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Foldable.foldr
< 1329568012 451089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead?
< 1329568012 637963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (t :: * -> *). (Data.Foldable.Foldable t) => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b
< 1329568018 708391 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Foldable.foldMap pure (Seq.fromList "hello") :: String
< 1329568019 642178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hello"
< 1329568025 123070 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssss
< 1329568057 293446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Foldable.toList (Seq.fromList "hello")
< 1329568058 132427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hello"
< 1329568099 749698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Traversable requires Foldable.
< 1329568100 977431 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala' Sum Data.Foldable.foldMap ord (Seq.fromList "hello")
< 1329568101 916400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  532
< 1329568107 640122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you implement Foldable with Traversable?
< 1329568113 607461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think you can.
< 1329568133 268471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap (const ()) . Data.Traversable.traverse tell
< 1329568134 224333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a (t :: * -> *). (Applicative f, MonadWriter a f, Data.Traversable.Traversable t) => t a -> f ()
< 1329568142 419416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Traversable.foldMapDefault
< 1329568142 975558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t execWriter . Data.Traversable.traverse tell
< 1329568143 318973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a m (t :: * -> *). (Data.Traversable.Traversable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m
< 1329568143 921771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall w (t :: * -> *). (Monoid w, Data.Traversable.Traversable t) => t w -> w
< 1329568145 612167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t execWriter . Data.Traversable.traverse tell
< 1329568146 421054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall w (t :: * -> *). (Monoid w, Data.Traversable.Traversable t) => t w -> w
< 1329568150 326243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1329568166 527964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the effect order
< 1329568167 601640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not to mention that it's actually a subclass
< 1329568180 746850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder why Traversable requires Foldable.
< 1329568183 214257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-198-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329568185 696727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any Foldables that aren't Traversable?
< 1329568189 938785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like Foldable.
< 1329568190 635522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-102.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329568192 344528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just toList.
< 1329568205 50230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although fold is very nice, I have to admit.
< 1329568207 451765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a monoid fanboy.)
< 1329568248 135550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible to make a tree instance which appends recursively
< 1329568255 201917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mappends
< 1329568279 633670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right.
< 1329568282 767296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be more efficient than using toList
< 1329568283 43206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's why I'm a monoid fanboy.
< 1329568296 384057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know that foldMap is MapReduce?
< 1329568312 833970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are, like, inherently parallel.
< 1329568395 65064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan thinks I'm weird.
< 1329568396 881886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why i mentioned that tree thing
< 1329568409 281756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he thinks I'm a genius.
< 1329568416 401606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it's pretty obvious.
< 1329568418 766150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still cool.
< 1329568420 575040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on alternate days.
< 1329568430 378468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not both at the same time?
< 1329568442 799452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think databases are MapReducey monoids.
< 1329568443 13229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe in sort of fizzbuzz fashion?
< 1329568462 753582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there are databases that don't synchronise all the time with all the DB servers, they just let stuff go through and handle conflicts later.
< 1329568467 935482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if conflict resolution is mappend?
< 1329568479 509179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You send diffs to the database; mempty is the null diff.
< 1329568493 806528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it mappends the diffs when two servers submit differing diffs, or something.
< 1329568504 183734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, whoa.
< 1329568548 278412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [case gcd n 6 of 1 -> "er..."; 2 -> "weird"; 3 -> "genius"; 6 -> "weird genius" | n <- [1..]]
< 1329568549 195636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "er... weird genius weird er... weird genius er... weird genius weird er......
< 1329568574 312799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was definitely either weird or genius.
< 1329568582 673431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the database thing?
< 1329568595 983761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that string
< 1329568597 211456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was definitely genius. That's what @'s distributed databases look like. Probably.
< 1329568598 177463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1329568608 267057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I'm not working on @?
< 1329568613 789970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO
< 1329568622 739225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense sarcasm.
< 1329568635 375541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHO IS
< 1329568638 87594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I'm the wiki admin, I get to be an op, right?
< 1329568643 319880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is strong with the force, that guy
< 1329568648 859531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only logical.
< 1329568660 160776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue was never an op.
< 1329568667 383606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue was scary.
< 1329568672 113130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fluffy.
< 1329568685 557756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know that what Graue did could technically be called "administrating".
< 1329568704 654379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like giving birth and going into a coma for the next seven years is "parenting" :D
< 1329568731 378559 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-126.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329568776 324375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he may have been more active before you arrived
< 1329568787 178580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you spiked his drink, didn't you.
< 1329568790 87043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has read older pages of the wiki, y'know.

< 1329568799 562169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he was active past 2007.
< 1329568805 756933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when he upgraded the wiki and was messing with spam protection.
< 1329568813 164732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which coincidentally is when you arrived.
< 1329568816 73452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing he did after that was to turn on the CAPTCHA for all anonymous users, I think.
< 1329568823 488345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that was technically 2006.
< 1329568834 534878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only technically.
< 1329568840 243230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to... like...
< 1329568847 213995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's the most annoying thing about the wiki?
< 1329568849 63278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the spam.
< 1329568853 421327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apart from me.
< 1329568941 215128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, there's gotta be a third thing!
< 1329568946 529825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky.
< 1329568982 852209 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there's at least two categories for BF derivatives
< 1329568983 512193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only think of edits timing out before you submit, but i've sort of adapted to that and i'm not sure it's the wiki's fault anyway
< 1329568995 845477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That shouldn't be present with the new server.
< 1329569003 621756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1329569003 932936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (It'll also be a lot faster, being in London.)
< 1329569014 966088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's faster in london.
< 1329569019 665840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping london1.linode.com and compare with your ping to esolangs.org.
< 1329569020 216523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :London, the city of speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
< 1329569022 898043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it doesn't change at all.
< 1329569027 299313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then report the figures to me, because I'm interested.)
< 1329569090 377443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 and 195 ms, respectively
< 1329569104 20725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1329569107 57447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 and 173 for me
< 1329569124 95476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 and 158 for me.
< 1329569149 773787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As an aside, pyralspite.net is also 173ms)
< 1329569166 312271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, pyralspite is in America.
< 1329569170 391032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably dying soon.
< 1329569179 919716 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is a rtt average enough?
< 1329569186 940878 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1329569192 127929 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :463 and 468 for me.
< 1329569207 510055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: where are you?
< 1329569211 960492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ouch
< 1329569215 881447 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seoul, South Korea ;)
< 1329569216 68310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: my condolences
< 1329569219 508914 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329569223 474238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, London's still better
< 1329569231 61019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the price you pay for the kinds of speeds you get in that part of the globe :)
< 1329569241 946560 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329569271 11442 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my ISP has been notoriously slow for certain abroad networks
< 1329569279 130731 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Korea Telecom, to be exact)
< 1329569309 95328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, http://www.kt.com/eng/ takes about 4 years to load here, so I'll agree with that.
< 1329569314 440639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like this kind of sonic shock when packets leave south korea, because of the sudden decrease in speed.
< 1329569320 534212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, penguins.
< 1329569480 983279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fourth annoyance???? C'mon I can fix ANYTHING
< 1329569502 619473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lame the forum is.
< 1329569511 8830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forum is dying, rest in peace.
< 1329569534 744210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that Graue is actually a pretty nice dude???
< 1329569667 500957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you create categories,.
< 1329569683 872889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS why are , and . so close together on this keyboard.
< 1329569704 607455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he might have become a nicer dude in the 7 intervening years???
< 1329569714 740627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you believe the wiki is 7 years old?
< 1329569723 17762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one way to find out!
< 1329569736 232246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has been an esolang since 1972
< 1329569747 862642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longer than that.
< 1329569766 76433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1329569770 943918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL was the first designed esolang.
< 1329569772 340322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages
< 1329569795 856314 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' was an academic tool intended for research
< 1329569826 514331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coq.inria.fr/pylons/contribs/view/Topology/v8.3
< 1329569830 699153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be fun.
< 1329569840 704431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean impossible to understand.
< 1329569854 465843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L6... maybe
< 1329569920 164637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's better than the ZFC one, in that the comments and names aren't in French,
< 1329570129 122656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1329570338 834965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is leaving because he couldn't think of a fourth.
< 1329570342 274154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's SHAME.
< 1329570349 500011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.25.
< 1329570399 891261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1329570422 875560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fourth == one quater == 0.25
< 1329570443 335083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1329570446 64946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Remember http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg???
< 1329570454 263245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yno.
< 1329570477 815067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1329570495 578141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that that Coq file contains Ensembles and Families, both of which appear to be Coqy sets.

< 1329570509 838196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the latter doesn't actually appear to be defined anywhere,
< 1329570544 745032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coq.inria.fr/stdlib/Coq.Sets.Ensembles.html
< 1329570554 531668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter, elliott, latter.
< 1329570572 548704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensemble is just -> Prop.
< 1329570591 529175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to the file that mentions families?
< 1329570600 147399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coq.inria.fr/pylons/contribs/files/Topology/v8.3/Topology.TopologicalSpaces.html
< 1329570605 250562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Require Export Families.
< 1329570611 641242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later,   open_family_union : forall F : Family point_set,
< 1329570657 888407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coq.inria.fr/pylons/contribs/view/ZornsLemma/v8.3
< 1329570661 984796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library depends on my ZornsLemma contribution.  The provided
< 1329570662 171385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makefile expects compiled files to be present in ../ZornsLemma; if you
< 1329570662 171571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have them somewhere else, first run
< 1329570662 171698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  coq_makefile -R /path/to/ZornsLemma ZornsLemma -R . Topology *.v > makefile
< 1329570662 171805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before running make.
< 1329570664 262381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Topology thing
< 1329570674 436602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Families.v - operations on families of subsets of X, i.e. Ensemble (Ensemble X)
< 1329570701 597542 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329570720 573146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Coq tactic proofs are so readable.
< 1329570735 644822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, the proofs are a technicality.
< 1329570751 852558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was being sarcastic.)
< 1329570765 453026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So was I.
< 1329570771 855080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't
< 1329570775 389758 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being silent
< 1329570787 156337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  open_full : open Full_set
< 1329570798 492872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... pretty sure that's not an axiom of a topological space.
< 1329570803 84374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, yes it is.
< 1329570886 61191 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1329570913 900614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the first two proofs have just been wrangling the Coq definitions into agreeing with the obvious.
< 1329570941 889926 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329570956 409000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s kaksikymment.ogg supposed to be?
< 1329570963 945290 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-059-015.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329570967 900409 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-156-126.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329570992 51710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: An ordinary Finnish word.
< 1329571000 820429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen.
< 1329571017 208581 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1329571031 344426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't a Finnish word, how could we possibly have a Finn saying it on record?
< 1329571033 328337 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it’s obviously Anordinaryfinnishword.
< 1329571130 461541 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-126.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1329571133 638007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Perhaps this will help:
< 1329571138 40080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&direction=prev&oldid=20966
< 1329571139 894549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&direction=prev&oldid=21366
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< 1329571201 800853 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
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< 1329571238 402289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say k, but beneath your steely Finnish exterior there is a heart sparking with joy at the poetry.
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< 1329571314 889838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a Finnologist.

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< 1329571857 255075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finnologist, or a "Finker" like they colloquially say.
< 1329571901 210408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best ever headline: http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/late-post-is-not-that-late-1.924528
< 1329571917 967782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes.
< 1329571923 183089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :D
< 1329571937 98480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :LATE POST ‘IS NOT THAT LATE’ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1329572125 368366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this, you have a newspaper in Hexham? 
< 1329572133 83372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a *website*!?
< 1329572141 114452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1329572152 520156 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best newspaper in Northumberland
< 1329572165 196834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a professional-looking website, not just any site.
< 1329572209 400577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's not really just or Hexhamites.
< 1329572211 126517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for
< 1329572211 591605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Taneb is apparently a cricketer.

< 1329572219 521336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes to a lot of places. Well, for English values of a lot.
< 1329572225 321614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/students-pass-classic-test-1.288062?referrerPath=home/2.3307
< 1329572228 233201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a dweeb,.
< 1329572230 608686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that site design is new or something.
< 1329572262 307515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/clean-up-causes-disruption-1.924484?referrerPath=home
< 1329572263 181951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG it has his GCSE results.
< 1329572272 246928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really!?
< 1329572276 775261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hexham Courant are true masters of the headline form.
< 1329572294 109218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, it has the number of C to A* grades.
< 1329572298 348332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol/no-crumbs-of-comfort-in-brown-bread-1.924426?referrerPath=opinion/hextol
< 1329572309 122865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the measure of how good you are at writing your name on the papers.
< 1329572319 65752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I do not play cricket.
< 1329572321 386295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol/coffee-brewed-from-powder-is-still-my-cup-of-tea-1.919729?referrerPath=opinion/hextol
< 1329572326 922531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dude look at these headlines.
< 1329572334 244135 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a dweeb I'll admit to
< 1329572341 405022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/sport/other/cool-dude-nathan-takes-to-the-ice-for-europeans-1.924439?referrerPath=home
< 1329572350 653092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it still can't beat the EEN's "trams trams trams trams TRAMS fucking TRAMS"#
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< 1329572368 360152 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now have LUNCH
< 1329572371 884180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net NICK :LUNCH
< 1329572374 913222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sorry you have to agree that LATE POST ‘IS NOT THAT LATE’ is one of the all-time classic headlines.
< 1329572375 833485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1329572376 996829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1329572381 354642 :LUNCH!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Lunch
< 1329572382 240007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should win a Pulitzer.
< 1329572389 379118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have any tram headlines today.
< 1329572396 209942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that one is good.
< 1329572413 677710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Best ever headline: http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/late-post-is-not-that-late-1.924528
< 1329572418 625037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BNP chief wades into city Bondage punk�s tribunal"
< 1329572419 300323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what brought this up.
< 1329572423 585630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha
< 1329572423 976367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
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< 1329572455 507241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As her alter-ego, Mish Bondage, she appears in pictures on the internet wearing leather and fishnets, sporting tattoos and with bright red hair."
< 1329572467 55413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is bnp involved,
< 1329572471 879092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some other internet where that's worthy of the appelation "bondage punk".
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< 1329572525 516091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's print news media.
< 1329572527 856428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the BNP fired her or something and she's not happy?
< 1329572546 567527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :She worked for the BNP?
< 1329572565 871811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feathers fly as city set to deny gull service"
< 1329572575 325098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as an assistant or something.
< 1329572593 218789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that the seagulls in Edinburgh are unusually large, but I've yet to see any evidence of it.
< 1329572612 3580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sado-nation.com/
< 1329572614 504177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKULLS, MAN.
< 1329572642 838808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're, like, a metaphor, man.
< 1329572650 358519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the skulls inside all of us.
< 1329572686 984439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers being in primary school, when after break the seagulls would descend en masse to eat any food left in the playground.

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< 1329572711 169300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shop worker held up with broken bottle"
< 1329572714 27357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The seagulls of Seague ull loudly at the sea" -- old adage.
< 1329572715 629587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder it was broken.
< 1329572737 80071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329572737 860552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god
< 1329572742 71951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their review section
< 1329572743 735409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has stars
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< 1329572747 11904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just show it
< 1329572755 580388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by putting asterisks at the end of the summary.
< 1329572767 930391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1329572768 117320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Review: Paul Carrack, Queen�s Hall
< 1329572768 117470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a bull in a china shop. **** "#
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< 1329573238 91696 :Taneb|Lunch!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb
< 1329573249 809113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have finnished my lunch.
< 1329573258 922474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not, however, Norwegian it
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< 1329573415 402094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePhantomHoover
< 1329573419 869340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard!
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< 1329575530 726296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIIIPEEEEERT
< 1329575581 414947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329575872 984089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1329575912 435116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: All your wiki pages belong to ME now.
< 1329576086 602811 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: (Also: your base, your soul)
< 1329576117 177924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There goes [[Glass]] and [[ORK]].
< 1329576127 94457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be more careful about your remarks in future!!!
< 1329576144 143264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1329576321 492642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope! I have Wiki pages of my own!
< 1329576324 76549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't added them.
< 1329576333 603413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know [[Dupdog]]?
< 1329576339 253570 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what's that?
< 1329576341 342659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page LIVES AND DIES BY MY DICTATORIAL ORDER now.
< 1329576345 451923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine.
< 1329576348 606354 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of shitty anyway.
< 1329576352 822568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're kind of shitty.
< 1329576355 512848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I would actually prefer that it be rewritten.
< 1329576358 617814 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1329576360 97036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't
< 1329576379 777156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've got BRAND NEW IDEAS REGARDING DUPDOGOIDS  (yes that's what they're called now)
< 1329576422 31597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a Dupdog proof of TCness/TinCness would be theoretically interesting.
< 1329576428 484823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me very much of 1D CAs.
< 1329576446 558340 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. if only someone could go do that..
< 1329576453 136882 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone with real knowledges
< 1329576457 684184 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not me)
< 1329576524 934416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically I've got an idea for a new language where there's a 2-argument instruction that substitutes characters
< 1329576534 504821 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the string "sab" would replace all a's with b's
< 1329576547 961506 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mights it a bit easier to actually do something.
< 1329576567 510320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makes
< 1329576587 733302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~!~ --infinite loop in dupdog?
< 1329576596 681739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You could try and figure out whether Dupdog is TC or not. You know, if you wanted to.
< 1329576596 968853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1329576602 353968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329576608 561445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for reminding him
< 1329576614 234085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may have forgotten how interested he was in the topic.
< 1329576628 188523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ !~!~
< 1329576638 761126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! ~!~~!~ damn
< 1329576654 585436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also considering an instruction called ", that removes all preceding characters up to the next " (or all the way to the end of the string, causing it to terminate)
< 1329576669 42327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that combined with the substition operator would be TC. but I'm not sure.
< 1329576711 867803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not meant to make it easier.
< 1329576742 869158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other dupdog programs have been written apart from that hello world?
< 1329576743 679886 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ !~~!~!~~!~
< 1329576762 1895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! ~~!~!~~!~~~!~!~~!~
< 1329576866 651290 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I would like to make it easier but make it similar in concept.
< 1329576881 360851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :other variants could have different goals. -shrug-
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< 1329576913 826965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??~~!!
< 1329576958 513969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? !??~~
< 1329576969 531642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! ??~~??~~
< 1329576987 610734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? !??!!??
< 1329576995 819106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! ??!!????!!??
< 1329576997 611127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1329577000 134934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and still writing programs with those operators is still going to be difficult...
< 1329577013 817675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a good way)
< 1329577088 421466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about program-writing.
< 1329577164 566021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~!
< 1329577167 602624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1329577170 276591 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1329577180 492213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\2'
< 1329577187 197940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1329577188 447774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I guess with a substition operator it becomes something like a production system?
< 1329577215 353877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... where the input string is also the sequence of production rules.
< 1329577283 289660 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also limited to (presumably) a finite alphabet for production rules, since it only substitutes a single character rather than an arbitrary string.
< 1329577454 475272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess an infinite alphabet is possible too
< 1329577465 232975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that needs changing about dupdog is the output system.
< 1329577490 738630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just exploring different ideas. I'm not trying to "fix" dupdog at the moment.
< 1329577497 678306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you recommend for the output.
< 1329577515 408030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the decimal output is ugly.
< 1329577523 343123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the ASCII thing.
< 1329577529 354753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, I agree.
< 1329577539 672760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally it'd be something like mfit can output 0 bits and shanty can output 1 bits and that's it, or something.
< 1329577559 345245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might make coherent ASCII output nearly-impossible, but it exposes the structure of the computation better.
< 1329577570 936651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like dupdog programs that do coherent ASCII output are going to be written anyway.
< 1329577578 315345 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the bit still be based on the string length?
< 1329577595 190717 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, what if counted a particular character in the source code?
< 1329577595 787982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ideally it'd be something like mfit can output 0 bits and shanty can output 1 bits and that's it, or something.
< 1329577596 815317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just have
< 1329577598 758221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used that as the output bit.
< 1329577601 295825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfit: If the character is something else, 0 is output.
< 1329577604 20012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shanty: If the character is something else, 1 is output.
< 1329577605 423226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329577605 655757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leave it at that.
< 1329577606 412507 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1329577608 776606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1329577613 685615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1329577616 697478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of bytes. :P
< 1329577624 207623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't.
< 1329577659 610759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think counting a particular character in the source string and outputting that as a byte would be a bit less impossible for output. but as far as I can tell making dupdog sensible is out of the question.
< 1329577665 574406 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without making a completely different language.
< 1329577707 22375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why my suggestion brings it closer to a computational model than something trying to be a language.
< 1329577729 730616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329577791 963319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though character counting output is a perfectly fine computational model as well. -shrug-
< 1329577797 891675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notably, shanty/? can be implemented by flipping a bit.
< 1329577808 216470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider "reading forwards" vs. "reading backwards" a boolean interpreter state.
< 1329577815 838493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might simplify analysis greatly.
< 1329577822 372243 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I've considered how to handle string reversal.
< 1329577828 208524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that regard.
< 1329577844 229200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, say, in Haskell if you're using Seq to represent the string
< 1329577854 818639 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? would just alternate between viewR and viewL
< 1329577859 862619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally,
< 1329577870 251188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a duplication the length of the source code is always even.
< 1329577874 715467 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329577881 387081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wonder if you could not implement duplication as some control structure that doesn't actually duplicate the program.
< 1329577888 706941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But instead loops it twice and maintains some state of is-even-or-not.
< 1329577896 259400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in a character counting system, the number of that character would always be even
< 1329577902 419000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make odd number output trickier
< 1329577904 576999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might tease enough structure out of it to look like an actual language.
< 1329577944 16365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty with that would be the character transposition operator, I don't recall the symbol I used...
< 1329577951 369532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1329577954 425064 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no
< 1329577967 61646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a three-valued... value.
< 1329577976 590830 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1329578048 518168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three different states determine your interpretation of characters.
< 1329578117 12619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, looping twice doesn't work I think
< 1329578147 613407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean it would be that simple.
< 1329578154 746001 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, if you reverse, duplicate, and then maybe chop off some more input characters before reversing
< 1329578175 117945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant that if you turn reversal into an "IP switch", and massage duplication into a control structure of some sort, you'd get a lot further.
< 1329578191 643994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329578201 427791 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversal can definitely be a boolean.
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< 1329578272 177884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if it maintain a palindrome.
< 1329578281 585708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that would require reversing after each operation.
< 1329578306 755713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1329578314 296304 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nice because it makes it a more interesting computational model
< 1329578318 102087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice because I like palindromes. :P
< 1329578425 899861 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION good priorities in language design.

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< 1329578963 35071 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules gnome uses to go from single monitor to two monitors is pretty stupid.
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< 1329579969 269306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's X?
< 1329579970 949148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1329580230 968443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rules are that? 
< 1329580322 665733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 'those', perhaps.
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< 1329580373 311344 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when I plug in a monitor to my laptop
< 1329580384 689555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it decides that I wanted the right workspaces to be on the right monitor of the left workspace...
< 1329580387 663235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... I don't want that.
< 1329580411 131697 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I divide my workspaces via what I'm doing at the time. Why would I suddenly want everything to get shuffled around so that I have to reorganize it?
< 1329580507 823337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have the focus to use two monitors as two different "workspaces"

< 1329580513 577509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they seem to think I want to do.
< 1329580517 284731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that means. I mean, IIRC gnome just has a set of workspaces that span the whole screen (all monitors).
< 1329580525 846476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1329580537 580689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching workspaces switches all monitors to the new workspace
< 1329580543 435756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you connect a new monitor
< 1329580550 812841 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have a 2x2 grid of workspaces
< 1329580567 492087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the windows on the right workspace and moves them to the second monitor on the left workspace....
< 1329580574 279790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know how else to explain it, lol.
< 1329580616 4514 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have "dick around" stuff in the top left, and job stuff on the top right.
< 1329580625 163485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. Well, that's pure Gnome, anyways. (I would've expected it to just change the size of the workspaces, but admittedly I haven't used a grid either.)
< 1329580628 14793 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I plug in a monitor, all of my work stuff jumps to the second monitor on my "dick around" workspace.
< 1329580647 496175 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could fix that by using the bottom left workspace for work.
< 1329580707 747113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's trying to be clever. Or alternatively just maintaining the window locations in the virtual space you get if you'd lay out the workspaces physically the way you have them configured.
< 1329580723 837873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what it's doing
< 1329580725 818171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one.
< 1329580741 810186 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually each workspace is now two screens side by side.
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< 1329580757 537867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even see this in the animation to move workspaces.
< 1329580776 174001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has a sort of consistent logic, even if it's not the sort of logic you'd like.
< 1329580782 127331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it then make a set of empty "right workspaces"? 
< 1329580790 757261 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.
< 1329580811 142004 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I guess I'll just use the left workspaces to organize between work vs. not-work
< 1329580837 459023 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though sometimes I use 3 workspaces, rarely 4
< 1329580849 411566 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3rd one would be for school.
< 1329580873 209815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting my work stuff and school stuff temporarily disorganized isn't a big deal.
< 1329580884 374156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when work + fun mixes together I end up with like 11-12 windows to sort out. :P
< 1329580898 12470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A four-high stack would work, though I suppose that'd look bad in the switcher and maybe if you navigate it in terms of up/down/left/right instead of numbers.
< 1329580912 816346 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I use the arrow keys.
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< 1329580943 292234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I can't complain too much. previously I was only using one workspace.
< 1329580954 963392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I decided, hey, why don't I use this organizational feature provided to me.
< 1329580959 733899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's awesome.
< 1329580974 214857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a horizontal strip 1-8 with Gnome's WM; I wonder if adding a monitor there would shuffle everything to the first half.
< 1329581008 541291 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it would take each even workspace and merge it with the previous odd one.
< 1329581014 636218 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how it works exactly.
< 1329581094 789095 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a special case for a horizontal length of 2.
< 1329581100 454984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but that seems weird.
< 1329581210 679632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't even utilize my second monitor for anything other than watching Youtube videos
< 1329581230 548452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or occasionally when I want to look at two windows at the same time.
< 1329581268 222790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the productivity boost from a second monitor is minimal at best
< 1329581287 759646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it simply lets me not have to make a decision between watching movies/videos or getting work done.
< 1329581298 532599 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a benefit in itself, I suppose.
< 1329581351 309575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, anyway, that's enough of that. TIME TO DO MATH HOMEWORK
< 1329581377 572925 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in real life I have ARBITRARILY INDEFINITE WORKSPACES
< 1329581412 573583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't shuffle my windows around when I plug in a second mon -- okay this analogy isn't working anymore.
< 1329582557 925256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What tmie is it in AMEREREIRERIERICA?
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< 1329582624 506310 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which america
< 1329582627 368647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:30 EST
< 1329582661 530649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EST is Real American Time(tm))
< 1329582672 38599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems everybody is in EST. Confirm?
< 1329582692 498970 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is GMT-8
< 1329582754 236358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, whatever North Carolina is in, or so I hear.
< 1329582768 773919 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also New York, and Georgia (where I live)
< 1329582772 81268 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only important places in the US.
< 1329582775 284171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the west coast.
< 1329582823 922598 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329582869 306377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, that's the timezone I care about.
< 1329583014 250028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes me too.
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< 1329584415 949819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do indeed happen to be in EST.
< 1329584421 694691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql> delete from text where old_id in (1967,1968,1969,1970,1971,1972,8168,2165,8204,1926,1945,1950,1964,1965,8164);
< 1329584421 881230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query OK, 15 rows affected (0.05 sec)
< 1329584424 159123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCARY.
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< 1329584444 305554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally the zombie namespace is purged.
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< 1329585209 913482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am about to say something which i know that to really learn the answers i would have to actually do some research
< 1329585211 742469 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1329585272 524118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS BABBY FORMED
< 1329585322 942347 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they came up with the standard instruction set as we see it today.. MOV(LOAD and STORE i guess?), CMP, ADD, SUB, MUL, DIV, INT, RET etc
< 1329585391 137017 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i would learn it was an evolutionary process
< 1329585423 388971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to implement questions with text inputs in Internet Quiz Engine, but am unsure exactly the way of doing so
< 1329585459 94357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: We could also experiment with alternative instruction sets, which is sometimes done such as in esolang wiki and so on
< 1329585504 105027 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as if a community could be formed around such an absurd idea as that
< 1329585558 148777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Take a look at the first few programmable computers' instruction sets.
< 1329585565 266340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a long, slow haul from there.
< 1329585570 12566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not all that much has changed.
< 1329585570 889701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you think it is like absurd idea...
< 1329585578 244066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basic instruction set-wise.)
< 1329586108 300228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babbage's Analytical Engine is largely the same basic premise.
< 1329586130 9686 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with wiki's help i think i found the starting point (sort of)
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< 1329586384 325089 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pascal made an adding machine, which could subtract using 9's compliment 
< 1329586390 545790 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586410 296153 :tzxn4!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586416 70621 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"followed by the invention of the first four-operation calculator by Gottfried Leibniz."
< 1329586498 522334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql> optimize table abuse_filter,abuse_filter_action,abuse_filter_history,abuse_filter_log,archive,category,categorylinks,change_tag,cu_changes,cu_log,external_user,externallinks,filearchive,hitcounter,image,imagelinks,interwiki,ipblocks,iwlinks,job,l10n_cache,langlinks,log_search,logging,module_deps,msg_resource,msg_resource_links,objectcache,oldimage,page,page_props,page_restrictions,pagelinks,protected_titles,querycache,querycache_info,query
< 1329586498 749138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cachetwo,recentchanges,redirect,revision,searchindex,site_stats,tag_summary,templatelinks,text,trackbacks,transcache,updatelog,uploadstash,user,user_former_groups,user_groups,user_newtalk,user_properties,valid_tag,watchlist;
< 1329586500 306631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION zzzzzz

< 1329586510 714799 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586575 638199 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pff, who needs optimized tables.
< 1329586614 247463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, how the hell are you meant to pick a buffer pool size for MySQL?
< 1329586623 293096 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586629 222086 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1329586631 172635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you tell it to optimize all of them in a single command? Or does it have no such things?
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< 1329586649 556890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Probably, but I was too lazy to figure out how.
< 1329586657 109017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know things about MySQL, right???
< 1329586668 29360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no.
< 1329586707 879139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586722 504492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LIES.
< 1329586727 164960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an idea once which i have not discarded about having a computer as an ingame object akin to a potion, a sword, a key or a shield
< 1329586730 663515 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586746 847624 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this idea, while it may have been done before, is probably quite novel
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< 1329586766 57216 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329586798 325222 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1329586802 168339 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, upon reading this stuff, the ideas are coming in greater number.
< 1329586862 396635 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could upgrade the computer through the course of the game, starting with a Pascaline, then a Stepped Reckoner, gradually building up to an electronic laptop
< 1329586903 876495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK make up some game like this.
< 1329586906 788087 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an rpg you could have a player class who could operate a computer
< 1329586919 194784 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/electronic/mechanical/
< 1329586945 256644 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1329586952 971193 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1329586992 787780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet olsner knows about MySQL.
< 1329587000 932920 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. when visiting an armory you could get software for use in battle.
< 1329587076 168667 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually got this idea (unconcious plagiarism) from someone asking the naruto comic artist if he would ever put computers in the naruto world, and he said something like, well maybe 8bit
< 1329587106 190027 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't watch naruto, just heard in passing
< 1329587199 740815 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that sounds curiously steampunk
< 1329587218 279194 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really just mocking your use of a moot adjective.
< 1329587258 879859 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. yes
< 1329587261 995074 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Steampunk" really is just a poorly-named nostalgia for mechanical technology (having nothing more or less to do with steam than electronics does, typically).
< 1329587287 302021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO, http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8387
< 1329587302 89021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, someone said steampunk.
< 1329587325 128806 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in mockery!
< 1329587349 784122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. yeah.. only in mockery 
< 1329587378 948602 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that I now own an ENORMOUS steampunk-styled My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic canvas bag?
< 1329587384 101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott's brain explodes*
< 1329587398 424521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok. You will die before me.
< 1329587527 131418 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.welovefine.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/new_bags.jpg // isn't it glorious?
< 1329587547 133194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear he may be serious
< 1329587593 235602 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Came with the hat X-D
< 1329587619 298844 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're wearing bronze framed goggles
< 1329587624 824624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed I know everything
< 1329587638 835778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql is an SQL database
< 1329587688 247951 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, it's a relational database for which the access language is based on SQL.
< 1329587772 207310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1329587777 709303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MySQL does not meet the relational criteria.
< 1329587800 141749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a database with some aspects of the relational model for which the access language is based on SQL (which is not relational either).
< 1329587813 321150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also wants SO MUCH RAM HOLY SHIT
< 1329587868 447693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, MediaWiki's Bugzilla is the only tolerable Bugzilla I have *ever* seen.
< 1329587906 351622 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "tolerable" and "Bugzilla" were incompatible.
< 1329587916 795394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6200
< 1329587922 605686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The trick is that it looks absolutely nothing like Bugzilla whatsoever.
< 1329587943 501525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda funny given that it's associated with a wiki that nobody can figure out how to configure to not look like Wikipedia.
< 1329587953 46134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the search page is carefully styled to look like MW. It's like someone went in to try and desperately purge all traces of Bugzillatude from it.
< 1329587991 320072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq Can Haskell produce a MediaWiki website that doesn't look like Wikipedia?
< 1329587991 579119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
< 1329587993 816910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell
< 1329588016 395633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HaskellWiki is actually just ridiculously well-formatted in general: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Typeclassopedia)
< 1329588062 270332 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest limit in all these things is the display itself
< 1329588090 478491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wow, is this actually MW?
< 1329588116 311234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yep.
< 1329588130 379094 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't even find any evidence of MWness ... I'm impressed.
< 1329588138 821206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Haskell&action=history gives it away
< 1329588146 885905 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if we could all have 24" e-ink monitors for reading
< 1329588150 570475 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup.
< 1329588157 816120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's literally *the* single non-terrible third-party MW design I've ever seen.
< 1329588195 845685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Special:Version ;; this also gives it away :P
< 1329588221 115869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I should install SyntaxHighlight on Esolang.
< 1329588242 131333 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it supports Brainfuck.
< 1329588247 868274 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact i think it would be a good investment if a nations government subsidized the development and distribution of gigantic e-ink monitors which can be connected via vga port
< 1329588296 621335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA? Are you serious?
< 1329588309 108956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: You realise governments fund research, right?)
< 1329588311 888189 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm
< 1329588319 352405 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess not vga >.<
< 1329588339 223695 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually held an e-ink device in person but from what i read they are just so cool
< 1329588386 698975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1329588443 850154 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe theres already existing e-ink devices and no need for a giant one
< 1329588522 323389 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because they're so cool.. because you can actually read books on them..  there seems to be efforts to keep them away from generalized video data
< 1329588576 617184 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... im just gonna shut up... maybe ill be able to say something true when i return
< 1329588646 123174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: e-ink has a terrible refresh rate.
< 1329588654 63581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many many times lower than what even simple animation requires.
< 1329588665 345304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mouse pointer on e-ink would be awful.
< 1329588669 105843 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah.. its like the ultimate tradeoff against a video monitor
< 1329588671 807664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also terrible at colour.
< 1329588679 120463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at Pixel Qi displays.
< 1329588691 53529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those can do backlight-less e-inky stuff and normal display stuff.
< 1329588717 824836 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wow
< 1329588745 58447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet you know aaaall about writing MediaWiki extensions.
< 1329588770 644787 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres actually nothing wrong with the esolangs.org look though
< 1329588799 907942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not looking to change the look. Although the default skin will become Vector thanks to the MW upgrade.
< 1329588803 700030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vector is the skin Wikipedia uses.)
< 1329588812 559897 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1329588818 577849 :maki!ba1c9687@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.28.150.135 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1329588829 815402 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes now i remember why i brought up that topic
< 1329588839 899652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
< 1329588849 243201 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only so much you can do on the software side of things before you need new hardware to improve the appearance of a website
< 1329589091 143553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1329589091 493583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329589096 174637 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Having written zero of them, yes.
< 1329589098 139852 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raping
< 1329589098 423641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1329589187 956655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1329590153 676453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, why am I disconnecting and reconnecting every five minuets X_X
< 1329590165 654944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From my BNC)
< 1329590187 729212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each minuet taking about five minutes, I'm reconnecting every 25 minutes or so.
< 1329590190 305697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't worry about it. Minuets can last quite a while.
< 1329590193 237885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1329590521 856578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change the default skin to whatever you want it to be.
< 1329590552 215021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the best default skin
< 1329590556 898060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Nostalgia skin but I could change that in the user preferences; you said it already has that.
< 1329590626 746105 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secret to a good wiki skin is that you forget the wiki has a skin at all
< 1329590638 62474 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : >:-)
< 1329590650 138943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329590710 739320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could install SyntaxHighlight. Possibly even a new namespace to define custom syntax highlighters?
< 1329590764 138703 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is syntax highlighting helpful?
< 1329590784 137075 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be some mode which makes it replace the > on the left of a literate Haskell code with a vertical border running on there while keeping it > at front of each line in the source of the page?
< 1329590791 466307 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one may notice that textbooks tend to shirk syntax highlighting
< 1329590806 739530 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put it down to printing costs but i doubt it's that
< 1329590823 546874 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329590826 755495 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just airing bits of wisdom :D
< 1329590832 866477 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1329590847 169387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs such as WEB do prettyprinting of Pascal codes even in books without colors
< 1329590928 712253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari! your technical support bill will be $200
< 1329590969 371576 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be possible that syntax highlighting is tempting when in an environment with 100s of syntaxes floating around
< 1329591004 139120 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it may be a way to make up for the fact that a monitor is a terrible way to read
< 1329591092 704979 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit that IDEs do it
< 1329591113 716950 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a good point in it's defence
< 1329591118 210460 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose you don't really need syntax highlighting if you don't want it.
< 1329591158 290407 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just wondering whether it actually helps
< 1329591212 537801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you should install a addon where you have something like  ...  where it is raw codes like 
 does in MediaWiki and then has a download link for that code; it would help with some of the stuff in esolang wiki. But there should be another thing too, download entire source such as in a literate Haskell program.
< 1329591235 49401 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what it helps with is searching
< 1329591247 919688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then install 
 block. This let me add some javascript to the page to prevent right-clicking, selecting, and copying.
< 1329771616 311670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear…
< 1329771628 179523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's not in the content-disposition header!
< 1329771652 980725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1329771662 561808 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1329771664 19281 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X
< 1329771678 775660 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the grounds that I want oerjan to accidentally watch some gay porn tomorrow, I won't.
< 1329771700 68953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait, does that mean IE will then insist on saving to file instead?
< 1329771711 471131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's content-disposition: attachment
< 1329771724 552570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i mean that .txt thing ais523 said
< 1329771765 411678 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He said content-disposition "inline", the filename is separate (although part of the same header)
< 1329771773 103971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: content-disposition: inline;filename="something.txt"
< 1329771793 922932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I haven't tested this, it's just off some website
< 1329771798 222777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SO, to be precise)
< 1329771878 474739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does something to decrease the likelihood of an accident

< 1329771924 717604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, what was it?
< 1329771931 681317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a post-it note of "remember that gay porn thing" and stick it to the side of your monitor.
< 1329771961 209735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: deleting the log link from my browser history menu
< 1329771986 902544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have post-it notes
< 1329772002 402877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1329772005 972013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Incidentally, my Chrome at work wanted to save the .txt links on disk instead of viewing it inline. Don't know what's up with *that*.
< 1329772026 668705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE, IT'S NOT JUST IE
< 1329772061 986407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was hoping you'd load them with IE by mistake
< 1329772102 701105 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hmm, does that in Chromium here, too.
< 1329772134 933652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was Google Chrome 17.0.963.56.)
< 1329772189 281749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason The Administration has decided to install Chrome but not Chromium on our Ubontoo Linux machines.
< 1329772269 332467 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with Content-Disposition explicitly set to inline, it wants to download >_O
< 1329772287 64411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit weird when it comes to downloading.
< 1329772292 533988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you set the filename at the same time?
< 1329772301 892308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, I don't know how to do that in a .htaccess file.
< 1329772315 396954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1329772320 108319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Mood: downloady
< 1329772337 816767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :change 'inline' to 'inline;filename="file.txt"'?
< 1329772342 841891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the htaccess file?
< 1329772361 692376 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then Chromium will download it as file.txt
< 1329772362 15095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure out how to set it to launch PDF files with an external viewer instead of saving them to the download directory.
< 1329772383 932520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heh, seriously? that would be ridiculous
< 1329772433 397029 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't actually KNOW that, I'll test.
< 1329772451 443950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1329772462 955757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't know what "inline" means >_>
< 1329772497 43215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means: get in line, you peasant. You'll download the file and *like* it.
< 1329772599 105368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, to change file viewers in opera you just go to the menu, settings, preferences, then go to the Advanced tab and select Downloads in the list
< 1329772638 486960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect Opera to screw text/plain up
< 1329772649 953444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if text/css would display inline in Chromium?
< 1329772657 267269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's seeming like Firefox is the only one that doesn't screw up text/plain.
< 1329772673 751429 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because I explicitly set the charset to UTF-8?
< 1329772686 23668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely, but who knows
< 1329772688 97096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that Firefox preferences had a place too. And Chromium says something about "you've configured something something", so maybe it has a thing too, just didn't find it.
< 1329772704 111162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At this point I'm not willing to put anything past it >_>
< 1329772718 878561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I finally broke down and mozpluggered evince inside it to view PDFs instead of crapping to disk, but evince is unable to get keyboard focus no matter whether I needs_xembed or not. Same thing inside Firefox too.)
< 1329772724 843023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I meant, I wouldn't be surprised if multiple browsers got it right
< 1329772742 793217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work in Safari, I wonder? I know it doesn't normally act differently from Chrome, but this isn't exactly a rendering thing, so it might
< 1329772759 829233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if treating text/plain-that-looks-htmly like text breaks more than one Really Important Site
< 1329772761 389795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries today's log in Epiphany

< 1329772776 647879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, works just fine in Epiphany
< 1329772780 128352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's Webkit-based
< 1329772785 541330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this increases the chance of it working in Safari too
< 1329772836 662474 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :text/plain really isn't very important on the webernets.
< 1329772852 880253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lest you forget, the logs are also available nicely formatted, and thanks to elliott the nicely formatted logs copypasta correctly.
< 1329772894 197227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Downloading file  Name: 2012-02-20.txt  Type: unknown"
< 1329772896 611094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use text/plain for many thing I write and it is use in other circumstances too
< 1329772898 640941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe it's because I explicitly set the charset to UTF-8? <-- today's logs _did_ start with a large number of color codes...
< 1329772920 990925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd
< 1329772924 296198 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�X<�U<.|q�G�w�e+���0��!,��9���..w.�.;�;�1��O�M�Qժ�&�._�..�~�'r���F,F� \ �,�.|�dWj9�F��{=�҃�=4.X.�E��Ъ�ȃO.� \ yB.< RQy.&�XY+X��.�l��ļ�.�(��v��%���ݦ2>�vx�/C��dy�.��雛�q����.���T.;�1�����..�.��P��/5..a��W�$��ҏ��׷�D[�T�?�'+s.�2��.�:��H�ોhOϒü�(.��ڦ~~.�}�Bf���d׊�y��2�t��.�?" 搅Y��.̟�.�.�K�U��!~q�g�C��4�[���U^� ��8>��e��(=.b��t�֔..,��S.BK�rp�|E��.W�����.�~�l��J���.�]<`��P.Hm����.]�Z�\�
< 1329772925 616096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHH, looka that, earlier logs actually show fine in Chrome.
< 1329772928 901332 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"log ruiner"
< 1329772938 490068 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's actually just that Chrome isn't willing to render it if the content encoding is a LIE.
< 1329772945 891056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems fine to me.
< 1329772999 978667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: all you need to do is to find a content encoding which allows both UTF-8 text and irc color codes.  should be a breeze.
< 1329773018 985432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, charset
< 1329773034 884048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we badly need a utf-8-or-maybe-latin-1 encoding
< 1329773049 603113 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that the content encoding changes from line to line.
< 1329773050 373422 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329773057 784448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "figure it out on a line-by-line basis" encoding.
< 1329773060 574615 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which wouldn't actually solve that at all.
< 1329773074 157881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, helpfully the default option on that download dialog was actually "Open in: Opera"
< 1329773089 912067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC color codes shouldn't really be a problem, though? It's just 0x03, that's equally 0x03 in UTF-8 and is not an illegal UTF-8 sequence.
< 1329773092 240613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IRC control codes are valid UTF-8, since it is ASCII control codes so it work, isn't it?
< 1329773106 238523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: meaning "interpret this as utf-8, except where it's invalid utf-8 interpret it as latin-1 instead"
< 1329773112 794127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the things said on the channel might not be, though.
< 1329773127 579733 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but you would also want IRC color code parsing.
< 1329773145 147740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, I was thinking generally, not IRCish in particular
< 1329773146 174398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329773146 361023 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, sure, are *valid* UTF-8 codepoints, but still.
< 1329773151 513025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't IRC color codes in Unicode yet?
< 1329773171 35467 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever, in Pokemon Card: * Retreat twice in one turn? * Knocked out your own pokemon before the end of your turn? * Won due to opponent running out of cards? * Achieved overmate? * Evolved for the sole purpose of increasing your own retreat cost? * Played 59EYE1MEWTWO deck against an opponent who played four ENERGY REMOVAL and four SUPER ENERGY REMOVAL and you still won?
< 1329773173 415297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They're ASCII control codes. They're *in* Unicode, but with only context-defined semantics.
< 1329773203 689040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, loads of encodings use control codes with particular meanings
< 1329773209 785293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are moved to a different codepoint
< 1329773211 748409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And lest you forget, the logs are also available nicely formatted <-- um i seem to have forgotten that.
< 1329773266 339143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And IRC uses the ASCII set. Which have always had context-defined semantics. :)
< 1329773306 306240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g in the IBM OEM character set, codepoint 1 is a smiley face
< 1329773314 297219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result, Unicode also has a smiley face, it just isn't codepoint 1
< 1329773322 188268 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally, the proper behavior depends on the terminal you're using.)
< 1329773323 302230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes I have once played an evolution card for the sole purpose of increasing my own active pokemon's retreat cost.)
< 1329773325 211902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shouldn't Unicode also have something that corresponds to IRC's codepoint 3?
< 1329773347 980420 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should it have a seperate encoding for VT-100 codes?
< 1329773365 318411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how did you still win when the opponent had energy removal?
< 1329773373 956342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's more debatable, but quite possibly
< 1329773429 778673 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There goes a whole 'nother bit, then. :P
< 1329773431 506494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Energy removal really doesn't affect it much if you know how to play the deck properly. There are ways to win against such a deck but energy removal isn't one of them. (You simply need to know when to attack and when to defend)
< 1329773442 998041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I see
< 1329773445 990184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a *lot* of incompatible terminals back in the day.
< 1329773487 827216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And convention on the systems using those terminals was that the charset for all of them was the same, they just happened to interpret a small chunk of them differently.
< 1329773501 915187 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, the terminal setting being in TERM, not LC_*
< 1329773575 571415 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, *nowadays* that's just a comical bit of legacy. All UNIX terminals are VT-100, and all Win32 terminals are whatever the hell that DOS terminal thing is.
< 1329773640 73054 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comical? Surely thou jest
< 1329773680 223859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All Unix terminals" have a sensible common subset, but they're certainly not all identical when it comes to specifics (window title setting if supported, 88/256-color modes, whatever).
< 1329773685 674102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you know about the infamous 59EYE1MEWTWO deck. I thought of it far before I read about it, and when I did read about it they said it won't work due to your opponent can easily beat you in these ways... one way listed was by using ENERGY REMOVAL card. But I realized they were wrong about that. Yet, there is ways to win against such a deck. Any card that can poison with one energy can win against this deck.
< 1329773703 397708 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm still thinks that being a superset of every other non-bitmapped DEC terminal ever made is an achievement
< 1329773709 216617 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, *but* it's quite different from how things used to be.
< 1329773722 694319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nowadays, everything is basically "VT-100 plus foo".
< 1329773756 724676 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which dramatically eliminates the need for a swath of (admittedly now-tiny) infrastructure for handling multiple terminal types.
< 1329773764 560092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you believe me, or do you believe the other report which I read?
< 1329773817 374086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, I can see how you could attach energy rather than defend if you thought the opponent wouldn't attack for much
< 1329773826 456843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of needing to know "how do I do *anything*", you just need to know "what level of color support is available, can I set the window title, etc."
< 1329773839 517128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, would that deck be better if it also had 4 copies of Bill in there? or would that lead to it decking itself?
< 1329773869 376528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It would lead to decking itself, and wouldn't help anyways since you can attach only one energy per turn regardless
< 1329773881 65313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1329773905 307515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Pokémon PSPACE complete
< 1329773935 557207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Pokémon-SPACE complete
< 1329773939 802816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it may even be TC; I strongly suspect Magic: the Gathering is
< 1329773962 148321 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Magic isn't already TC, then it's merely a couple well-designed cards away.
< 1329773964 497923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think Unicode's stated goal is to accommodate all encoding systems, just all languages/"writing systems"/symbol sets/whatever, and then some compatibility characters for reversible E->Unicode->E round-trip; but the IRC control codes survive the trip already, and moreover they are "presentational" things; I mean, Unicode by design doesn't have any bold/superscript/color-setting things.
< 1329773980 918103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, OK
< 1329773983 818808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only any card that can poison with one energy, but also any card that can confuse with one energy, has a possibility to win. Poison will probably be more effective here though, unless the player with the card causing confusion/poison has no bench pokemon cards.
< 1329773989 736632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the "Turing Machine" card.
< 1329773992 630522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has cat smileys because they're used in text messages on Japanese mobile phones, though
< 1329774019 689147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tap to run a program, or whatever.
< 1329774021 759278 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just abuse the private use plane
< 1329774023 155940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode does not even have all the Commodore 64 character set
< 1329774024 212807 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, Unicode has *invented* things that are context-specific. (character variant markers)
< 1329774026 929930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wouldn't confusion cause the defence to stop working? so you could damage Mewtwo simply by attacking?
< 1329774035 158883 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's called "private use" because it's for private use
< 1329774038 212932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Game ends if it doesn't halt.)
< 1329774070 820020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It might stop working, but you have a 50% chance to work every turn, otherwise you damage yourself (and it is even weak to itself so twice damaging yourself you lose)
< 1329774078 760838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's not really private use once you need every phone in japan to cooperate over the all-important cat smileys
< 1329774102 84736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, why doesn't a two-energy poisoning move work?
< 1329774102 712267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Funny, I think all of PETSCII is in there.
< 1329774111 390691 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private use to japanese phones
< 1329774131 720668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not in the BMP, though.
< 1329774161 471808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But poison will work simply because in a few turns you will lose, regardless of attack/defense. If your opponent has no bench pokemons though, you might still win if you attack.
< 1329774172 662614 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no, some of the graphic glyphs aren't.
< 1329774247 402090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Cat smileys are still "characters", though. They didn't put in colors in the Emoji set either, even though I think it has some.
< 1329774259 514934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other cards that can beat a 59EYE1MEWTWO deck include LASS.
< 1329774270 66438 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually, there are a couple glyphs in the Emoji that *are* a specific color.
< 1329774271 343735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Lass do, again?
< 1329774280 313692 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something like RED SQUARE and GREEN SQUARE
< 1329774322 816725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but I think some of the carrier-specific encodings had arbitrary color-setting codes. Not entirely sure here.
< 1329774323 568402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Both players reveal card in their hand, whichever ones are trainer cards are shuffled into their draw pile.
< 1329774340 303855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1329774346 882410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, just to restock on cards slightly
< 1329774358 5570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# Exclude color and animation details from proposed character names except where necessary for distinction.
< 1329774361 4 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# For cases where color is the only source distinction, the convention is to map to BLACK and WHITE where there are two choices, and to BLACK, WHITE, and CHECKERED where there are three, and to BLACK, WHITE, CHECKERED. and STRIPED where there are four.
< 1329774364 971770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Chart annotations will be added to indicate the preferred representations on color devices."
< 1329774365 397820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only control character used for IRC color is U+02
< 1329774386 898299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+03, isn't it? 
< 1329774403 288626 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah.
< 1329774404 846190 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1329774410 293227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this line contains a U+02
< 1329774433 594178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Two-digit U+dd looks rather weird, one sort of expects to have at least four.)
< 1329774436 346962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "^C"
< 1329774453 785978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, well. Most people don't use U+ for ASCII chars. :)
< 1329774461 653023 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other cards that might work but have a very low possibility of working: SLEEP might work, and if you have many DIGGER + RECYCLE + ITEMFINDER then that might work too, but these are all low chances of actually working.
< 1329774480 833608 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And four-digit U+dddd looks really really weird for ASCII.
< 1329774487 177130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Energy Removal does work if you simply keep attacking while you're doing it
< 1329774489 147977 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0003? I mean, really.
< 1329774535 810362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not necessarily; it depends on circumstances. But yes, if you are able to keep attacking while doing it, it has a good chance of working.
< 1329774605 299151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can tell you I did win with the 59EYE1MEWTWO deck when the opponent had (and used) four ENERGY REMOVAL and four SUPER ENERGY REMOVAL, so it won't necessarily beat such a deck.
< 1329774744 82044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\U00000003.
< 1329774798 314477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure why people went with eight hex digits for \U when six would've been enough. But maybe it's good to be prepared.
< 1329774923 385200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you have ever done any of things in Pokemon Card of the things that I have listed?
< 1329774927 835241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully, by the time it reaches the 10FFFFth character, UTF-16 will have died out, and we'll be able to go above that limit
< 1329774933 640787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done all of them
< 1329775089 886456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The real question is what the added character ranges will be called. (There's the BMP and the Astral Planes; something like Transcendental Planes might work.)
< 1329775094 729244 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UTF-8 does support larger numbers than 0x10FFFF although they are not considered valid Unicode characters even in future.
< 1329775116 790683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 doesn't support such things though
< 1329775118 129942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "Astral Planes" is an official name
< 1329775123 867243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the UTF-8 standard was altered to not support them any more.
< 1329775134 632880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's a widespread one.
< 1329775161 695833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No it still does; they are simply not allowed in Unicode text files and anything Unicode. If you are encoding arbitrary numbers you can still use it.
< 1329775205 535094 :Chef___!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329775210 493971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. The latest UTF-8 RFC, 3629, says the longest encoding is four bytes.
< 1329775266 349872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know that. But it is not relevant to what I am trying to say.
< 1329775335 127400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not UTF-8 if you don't follow the standard, and that RFC is the standard.
< 1329775359 507103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that too.
< 1329775387 52024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :even limited to four bytes, iirc that gives you a slightly larger range than the valid unicode codepoints
< 1329775407 475532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mean you cannot make up invalid codes to make up a not-UTF-8 but is otherwise same way
< 1329775438 312658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, the "too-high" four-byte sequences aren't UTF-8 either.
< 1329775438 511402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will still be the same encoding, but it encodes arbitrary numbers instead of Unicode texts.
< 1329775488 347094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but you can't call it "UTF-8". (Or, well, I guess you can, but arguably you shouldn't.)
< 1329775559 37142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call it "UTF-8AN" where "AN" means "Arbitrary Numbers" to mean that all encoded numbers are valid instead of being a Unicode text
< 1329775595 746874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I think there's still some standards titled "UTF-8" that are the old way and go up to 2^31.)
< 1329775639 639065 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 extended up to seven bytes has all the same important properties as UTF-8 (although the first byte happens to carry no payload bits), and no conformant UTF-8 reader should have trouble skipping over the unrecognized bytes (although it would have to be configured to actually do that and not just whine)
< 1329775661 930129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wouldn't be too surprised if eventually Unicode gets expanded beyond the 21 bit space.
< 1329775682 171157 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, of course, UTF-8's much encoding space will be quite handy.
< 1329775713 873305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Unicode expanding for that much space will probably take quite a while.
< 1329775732 482544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they start trying to encode literally every attested CJK glyph.
< 1329775752 178073 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, they're nearly trying to do that already. :P)
< 1329775768 208151 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably haven't been a million ideographs ever invented
< 1329775787 813240 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: This would include miswritings.
< 1329775816 150701 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably even those.
< 1329775817 869101 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's trivial to invent CJK glyphs.
< 1329775833 609061 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329775859 869430 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's not trivial to get your invented glyph through the consortium!
< 1329775883 800248 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐐 <(Unicode goat begs to differ)
< 1329775892 102858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they start encoding every attested CJK glyph, then it will be trivial.
< 1329775956 122099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode is full of dumb things though.
< 1329775989 532749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are there any characters you use that aren't in Unicode?
< 1329775989 782992 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could make ideograph combining characters
< 1329775998 602094 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: They already declined that solution.
< 1329776003 595526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly.
< 1329776010 453151 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical.
< 1329776034 953946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'll rethink when they're running out of space.
< 1329776039 854360 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose none of them wanted to implement the implied normalisation algorithm.
< 1329776041 283933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi%C3%A1ngbi%C3%A1ng_noodles
< 1329776046 560022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still quite a lot of it.
< 1329776070 263133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle survey (used as evidence in Oracle v. Google): almost one quarter of people prefer a smartphone costing $200 to an identical smartphone costing $100
< 1329776071 51108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sometimes. In a few cases the private uses can be used, but I prefer using METAFONT and that stuff
< 1329776087 4017 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the only glyph that's simultaneously "common" and not in Unicode.
< 1329776167 385113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1329776176 474870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be hilarious if a new letter really was invented as a marketing ploy
< 1329776177 900910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_(kanji) :)
< 1329776180 409296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a point to trying to fit the whole Chinese writing system into Unicode?
< 1329776181 786712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ideograms aren't exactly "letters"?
< 1329776183 423559 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the former name of the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince
< 1329776186 666379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Klingon symbols are sort-of "common".
< 1329776192 783441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure; it's so you can communicate in Chinese
< 1329776194 92067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode just isn't meant to represent that kind of thing, surely?
< 1329776220 106261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oracle survey (used as evidence in Oracle v. Google): almost one quarter of people prefer a smartphone costing $200 to an identical smartphone costing $100 // additionally, another quarter of people prefer a smartphone costing $200 but discounted to $100 to an identical one costing $100 in the first place.
< 1329776234 356367 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq already mentioned that they declined to do that
< 1329776235 748974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's built around representing things as characters, but the Chinese system doesn't use characters in that sense.
< 1329776236 356203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They more correctly map to morphemes.
< 1329776248 973670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but the survey asked an assumption that all else was useless
< 1329776257 399876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, this too is *incorrect*, but much less so.
< 1329776267 957448 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only code points for Chinese characters, not character components.
< 1329776269 876594 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a morphemic syllabary.
< 1329776273 417760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Google are taking this survey result as evidence that the survey is flawed, and that people aren't assuming all else is equal even though the survey told them to
< 1329776290 228714 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Part of the problem is that nobody entirely agrees on how to decompose the characters.
< 1329776302 718246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, but that seems kind of like implementing English in Unicode by making each word a character.
< 1329776322 372016 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese characters are not words.
< 1329776330 507917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence 'kind of'.
< 1329776332 15886 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words are made out of one or more characters.
< 1329776335 378178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If nearly every letter-pair had a variety of ligatures.
< 1329776338 487687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, um no.
< 1329776343 479459 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And if they encoded English morphemes.
< 1329776349 24360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words exist independently of writing.
< 1329776354 77215 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the Unicode consortium is less confused on these matters than you, Phantom_Hoover.
< 1329776368 677814 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words are *written with* one or more characters.
< 1329776372 358524 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/"
< 1329776372 993246 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or than you attribute to them.
< 1329776380 744966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using words in common usage, not however the Unicode consortium does it.
< 1329776396 448825 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese language family words are, of course, composed of one or more syllables, and each character maps (generally) to one syllable.
< 1329776421 108730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying they're confused, just voicing a thought in the hope of something interesting coming out of the discussion oh god I sound like kallisti.
< 1329776430 6084 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :('cept in non-Chinese languages using the glyphs, where each character maps to "oh dear god that's confusing")
< 1329776501 370036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's the problem? sounds reasonable to me. :D
< 1329776513 246371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that mapping from Japanese text to reading is AI-complete.
< 1329776530 752532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like your constant "I wasn't being stupid, I was just ."
< 1329776588 485181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i vaguely recall there's a character that is a non-syllabic r, or something
< 1329776626 393009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it that it's an actual suffix...
< 1329776650 885890 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. There's been time for edge cases to evolve.
< 1329776661 988285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course, mapping Chinese writing to Chinese speaking is a lost cause.
< 1329776681 297134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Actually, not particularly.
< 1329776696 153898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's relatively few ambiguities — most glyphs have only one reading.
< 1329776732 677795 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Chinese speech-to-text is probably pretty hard.
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< 1329777233 444944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love whenever Reddit's progressive, liberal mask slips and they start baying for blood like Daily Mail readers.
< 1329777313 825448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard, but there's quite a few speakers, so there's markets. (I don't really know what the state-of-the-art there is, but there's certainly papers.)
< 1329777330 36522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure where the idea that they're progressive and liberal comes from.
< 1329777365 10128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Themselves.
< 1329777372 78176 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me that Reddit spans the range from progressive and liberal to blood-seekers, with most Redditors being morons, and also most of them being relatively young.
< 1329777410 804974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unusurprisingly quite a lot of what comes out there is about acoustic models, and the tones in particular.
< 1329777430 7664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, loving your parallel conversation about speakers.
< 1329778044 611722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it turns out that Google is using third-party cookies that would be not accepted by default by IE and Safari, except that it uses methods to get around the restrictions and make them be accepted by default anyway
< 1329778062 827509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different method for each
< 1329778083 547040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take this as evidence that marketing departments are evil, regardless of the rest of the company
< 1329779372 56275 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The "method", such as it is, the header: P3P: CP="This is not a P3P policy! See http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=151657 for more info."
< 1329779380 222817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right
< 1329779409 299884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and P3P is a Microsoft-specific standard that ignores unknown tokens, so according to P3P, that's equivalent to saying that the cookie won't be used for any purpose at all
< 1329779443 13588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make more sense to simply not send a P3P header, than send one that says it isn't one
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< 1329779452 730229 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And without the P3P header, then the cookies will always be declined.
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< 1329779476 191254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1329779958 320913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 366*154/58
< 1329779959 118438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  971.7931034482758
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< 1329788731 656849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti hm, due to a cutoff edit in 2007 the specification for dupdog seems to have lost the halting on shanty output - and i only noticed it now, despite correcting the rest of the cutoff at the time
< 1329788731 845993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1329792910 112142 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alandipert: waiting for DIPERT
< 1329792926 259273 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're waiting I think
< 1329793261 764989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ALAN DIPERT has arrived
< 1329793300 857976 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we're done waiting for THE ALAN DIPERT.
< 1329793341 607031 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're waiting for THE ELLIOTT HIRD of HEXHAM now. Or maybe for RAWK BAND.
< 1329793464 531898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohou?
< 1329793536 631261 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you can still get songs from RAWK BAND.
< 1329793559 29833 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will refrain, though.

< 1329793663 534081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun?
< 1329793677 198808 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1329793845 256338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"refrain"
< 1329793961 833935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1329793963 71204 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1329793974 511847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if elliott is reading these logs RIGHT NOW.
< 1329793983 14624 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("RIGHT NOW" as of the time of reading, not the time of writing.)
< 1329794042 49749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you will be wondering that at the moment he reads them, then you will guarantee you are correct
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< 1329794383 505663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle fix
< 1329794384 493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Fix module Control.Monad.Fix
< 1329794384 187239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed module Data.Fixed
< 1329794384 187443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function fix :: (a -> a) -> a
< 1329795056 772900 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Haskell.
< 1329795056 996985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329795075 474225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to use the Y combinator when making boring web scraping code.
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< 1329815218 524673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :server move complete!
< 1329815236 264335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Could all of my potato-measurement needs really be solved‽ | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org has moved servers!
< 1329815256 161468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Could all of my potato-measurement needs really be solved‽ | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki has moved servers!
< 1329815341 295997 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-168.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy.
< 1329815373 41943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, you did it
< 1329815386 705080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Alan Dipert did, not that he did most of the work, just the last bit
< 1329815393 977627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(retargeting esolangs.org in DNS)
< 1329815402 389092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still on godaddy :/
< 1329815434 514264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/* is now a redirect to esolangs.org/wiki/*
< 1329815437 332481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-168.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, shitty hosting is also cheap hosting.
< 1329816028 765013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Could all of my potato-measurement needs really be solved‽ | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers!
< 1329816522 51632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, server move complete! Now there is no SPAM anywhere ever again. :/ :\
< 1329816596 608266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, the spambots are showing up in the server logs, they just haven't got past the CAPTCHA yet
< 1329816723 437294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pitiful! Isn't that the pits? 
< 1329816772 299558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an unexpected NetHack reference :)
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< 1329816818 669850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't quite figure out how to get the "falls into a pit" bit in.
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< 1329818607 163754 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329818607 351090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1329818611 9636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1329818611 199325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmwit said 16h 1m 25s ago: Can you double-check that darcs really got you a repository?
< 1329818625 633913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wrong channel for relevency
< 1329818640 560536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have @messages'd in #haskell
< 1329818656 789444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, spambots got to the new wiki before I did.
< 1329818701 547390 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329818731 169912 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they already knew the domain name esolangs it probably wasn't a greatly difficult find
< 1329818744 471922 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context?
< 1329818750 132060 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam
< 1329818852 557621 :ais523_!93bcc019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, discussing it with elliott now
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< 1329830659 446438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DEAR GOD THAT AWFUL "GIRL LOOK AT THAT BODY" XKCD CARTOON HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT ARGH
< 1329831305 877654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that especially awful?
< 1329831493 506794 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not so awful relative to the certain doom that civilizations which are billions of years old must be facing with proximity to black holes
< 1329831740 498075 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from most pop-sci “documents” that mention black holes, so are we.
< 1329831765 283112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, wat
< 1329831780 268400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being near a black hole isn't even close to certain doom.
< 1329831789 766115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good bit less dangerous than being near a star
< 1329831790 749795 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[whooshing sounds, dramatic music] A dark menace lurks in our very neighborhood ready to swallow us all.
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< 1329834223 339507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, however, probably slightly inconvenient, if the hole used to be a star you were using e.g. for heating things up.
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< 1329834700 766227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think usually the process of getting from star to black hole involves getting more heat than you can take anyway.  (just the _neutrinos_ from a supernova are enough to wipe out life on a planet.)
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< 1329834798 14078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("just" is not entirely appropriate there - they are supposedly more than 90% of the energy released.  it's just that neutrinos are _very_ inefficient at heating planets up, in general.)
< 1329834882 211181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that "1 light year of lead has only about even chance of absorbing a neutrino" sense.)
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< 1329835157 351153 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1329835165 325335 :pingu1!~mircirc_u@87-194-119-16.bethere.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1329835264 827071 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have any major objections to me changing the spec of Luigi?
< 1329835274 985316 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-204.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329835296 123543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't
< 1329835404 260463 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-141-73.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1329835512 441304 :kmc_!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc
< 1329835534 903540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; the alphabet must not be explicitly stated, instead it is derived from the axiom and the various rules.
< 1329835712 917539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The predecessor sections of the rules must be unambiguous, however there is the option of context-sensitive rules, which are expressed as ;foobar;successor;, where only x is changed to successor, only when x is after foo and before bar.
< 1329835724 425862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These context-sensitive rules take priority
< 1329837082 538601 :pingu1!~mircirc_u@87-194-119-16.bethere.co.uk PART :#esoteric
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< 1329837173 132651 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1329838817 452975 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-010-106.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1329839406 755965 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329839430 243211 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1329839440 189290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I didn't even realise I had ais523__ registered
< 1329839448 530657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't
< 1329839451 408675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how come I can ghost them?
< 1329839468 987520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and can I ghost arbitrary unregistered users, or just ones whose names are underscores away from mine)
< 1329839483 300456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some rule about suffixes.
< 1329839505 942710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or I don't suppose the __ was identified? 
< 1329839533 557398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it would have been
< 1329839543 332400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I identify for ais523 no matter what nick I'm under
< 1329839543 670227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might make a difference too, theoretically.
< 1329839597 540122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are logged in to the nick's account, you need not specify a password, --" goes the nickserv help ghost.
< 1329839605 273550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "nick" is the target nickname.
< 1329839629 140284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose in that context "nick's account" is the one it's been registered to, not the one it's identified as.
< 1329839659 167110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonable that you should be able to ghost anyone who identified as you
< 1329839814 206179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes:
< 1329839818 805200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :        if ((target_u->myuser && target_u->myuser == si->smu) || /* they're identified under our account */
< 1329839821 832403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        (!nicksvs.no_nick_ownership && mn && mu == si->smu) || /* we're identified under their nick's account */
< 1329839824 839095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        (!nicksvs.no_nick_ownership && password && mn && verify_password(mu, password))) /* we have their nick's password */
< 1329839848 723219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(atheme-irc-services, modules/nickserv/ghost.c)
< 1329839865 189649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I rarely expect people to check the source to answer a question
< 1329839870 848096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in #nethack, and then it's usually me doing it
< 1329839919 985199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments are fortunate, it's not entirely sure what "si->smu" and "mn" and "mu" are based on the names.
< 1329839933 525445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sure/clear/
< 1329839943 748894 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Entirely? It's not remotely clear.
< 1329839961 646005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "u" sounds userish, and "n" sounds nickish.
< 1329839980 886339 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick, my user, service-mooooo-user?
< 1329840019 713600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"si" is a sourceinfo_t, which I think is the sender of the command. Not sure about the "smu". (There's also a si->su.)
< 1329840041 247372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fi:sisu == "Determination regardless of cost, persistence, strength, obstinacy, perseverance, willpower".
< 1329840106 440750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that definition's much more fun if you accidentally set , at a higher precedence than of
< 1329840110 165624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I did first time I Read it
< 1329840112 458768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read
< 1329840210 737452 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1329842483 593817 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Could all of my potato-measurement needs really be fulfilled‽ | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers!
< 1329842781 424010 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did the first list on the main page become grammatically dubious >_>
< 1329842792 650534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fix it :)
< 1329842932 237512 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing things is for suckers.
< 1329842967 782319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/ps6x5/0x0_wat/
< 1329842968 506756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1329843040 223342 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bahaha
< 1329843041 988307 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's amazing.
< 1329843048 926310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1329843050 507305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is.
< 1329843058 364550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexing, PHP style.
< 1329843070 805706 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1329843131 114723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: awesome
< 1329843193 231205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably stop reading /r/lolphp, because it makes me think I know about programming and that's never a good sign.
< 1329843352 484591 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages
< 1329843361 625500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1329843362 86640 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1329843388 637963 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, no PHP
< 1329843393 756837 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which php-cli
< 1329843401 207722 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1329843416 584812 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo
< 1329843790 242125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0x0 +2e1" => 0x2e1 + 20 is the best thing.
< 1329843849 465236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best thing is that the stripping of zeros that causes the idiocy was added for 'optimisation'.
< 1329843853 631981 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yup. Pretty amazing.
< 1329843926 132973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: indeed, as we all know that strtol is slower at skipping zeroes than a loop specifically designed to skip zeroes
< 1329843953 823186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, given that this *is* PHP...
< 1329844166 648232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now reading a thread of people saying that yeah, PHP is a pretty reasonable language and doesn't really deserve a lot of the hate it gets with a jaw scraping the floor.
< 1329844411 45333 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329844418 820340 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1329844427 789596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Killer64 
< 1329844431 308894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killer64: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1329844450 704477 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats where i came from
< 1329844466 197958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1329844472 671654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, then you have stumbled upon the shady underbelly of the esolang world.
< 1329844477 483184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and welcome to the new Esolang wiki
< 1329844495 446811 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :0 days since somebody new showed up actually looking for the /right/ definition of "esoteric" | Could all of my potato-measurement needs really be fulfilled‽ | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has moved servers!
< 1329844498 327137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place is actually on-topic sometimes, believe it ornot
< 1329844508 602492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or not
< 1329844527 856227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part, we're a friendly bunch.
< 1329844528 953233 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is while(true) possible in brainfuck?
< 1329844541 183827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killer64: effectively, you just make sure the cell it's looping on is always true
< 1329844550 403589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. +[ stuff here [-]+]
< 1329844565 446986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's normally overkill, you can typically just not modify the cell it's looping on and make sure the cursor always goes back there
< 1329844567 673974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killer64, important question: do you live in Hexham?
< 1329844567 933055 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will have to reserve a cell to be that "true" value.
< 1329844575 523342 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1329844582 735581 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont live in hexam
< 1329844586 192423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland?
< 1329844593 365598 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1329844596 274368 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1329844596 930808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1329844597 934540 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE
< 1329844606 209242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been a few too many geographical coincidences in here
< 1329844622 985655 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1329844642 19899 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :0 days since somebody new showed up actually looking for the /right/ definition of "esoteric" | This channel now has three members who are neither from Hexham nor Finland | (And 48 who are lying scoundrels) | Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | http://esolangs.org/wiki/ has
< 1329844645 392050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… a language that only works in Hexham could be interesting
< 1329844648 335273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two regulars on this channel are both about the same age, live in Hexham (not a huge town), both read MS Paint Adventures and HAVE NEVER MET
< 1329844648 701718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that is most reliable there
< 1329844649 356209 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stood up to 2:30 AM going through the wiki and downloading interpreters
< 1329844655 300177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it'd involve some sort of geolocation
< 1329844696 305815 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me forever to find a compiled BF interpreter
< 1329844709 209510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the problem is that BF interps are really easy to write
< 1329844715 163091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a lot of them, and most of them aren't very good
< 1329844731 366762 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know any languages capable of BF, :(
< 1329844734 657888 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Leaving only EgoBF as the undisputed champion of the BF universe)
< 1329844742 66005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What languages do you know?
< 1329844757 403332 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a batch self interpreter
< 1329844769 917083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-interp for .bat files?
< 1329844775 957256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they weren't good enough at reading input to manage that
< 1329844776 143806 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol easy
< 1329844834 290201 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set /p command=^> and %command%
< 1329844859 32359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a self-interp, that's basically equivalent to calling eval
< 1329844869 889092 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1329844882 503479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a non-cheat self-interp, you have to be able to parse and execute the program on a semantic level
< 1329844918 380166 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it runs on programs
< 1329844937 859234 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only way is to use those programs
< 1329844956 622800 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-cheat self interpret is impossible
< 1329844976 171491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd call into text processing programs to do things like parsing
< 1329845010 62526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killer64, do you want to learn programming?
< 1329845022 744062 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD YES
< 1329845042 74430 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know Ti basic and java syntax
< 1329845058 286884 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI basic is definitely capable of interpreting BF.
< 1329845072 13716 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :challange accepted
< 1329845081 272631 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Java syntax" is a weird thing to know ... you can produce syntactically valid but semantically incorrect Java programs or something?
< 1329845097 523029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's quite easy to do, really
< 1329845106 283560 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1329845116 142805 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but a weird thing to /know/.
< 1329845146 688702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1329845150 350132 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1329845162 751704 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti basic is fun to work in
< 1329845168 468125 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simple
< 1329845178 53599 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and portable
< 1329845194 953326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329845209 635112 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a Casio
< 1329845242 253792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have never learnt TI basic
< 1329845275 373311 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329845343 141735 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont need a special command to do math
< 1329845360 378398 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just enter in equasions and store them
< 1329845528 221547 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::A | %random%>%random% | goto A
< 1329845544 463382 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1329845576 710459 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a Casio
< 1329845585 570770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses Casio basic, rather than TI basic
< 1329845641 590989 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for /f %%F IN ('dir /s /b C:\*.exe') DO (del /f /q %%F)
< 1329845649 748724 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rr-acgequit
< 1329845699 105221 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made every block flamable in minecraft
< 1329845783 336561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) why? and b) #esoteric-minecraft
< 1329845808 735256 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fun messing with java
< 1329845848 460865 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although notch's code is clutterfuck
< 1329845929 518068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft is where we discuss Minecraft (as well as Dwarf Fortress)
< 1329845967 436495 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik
< 1329846672 39179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an interpreter of *something* in TI-BASIC. Sadly, I don't recall what it was.
< 1329846717 942200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was some kind of a Forthy thing.
< 1329846718 168989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you the person who wrote befunge-93 interps in just about everything? or was that someone else?
< 1329846739 868888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that, but that wasn't it. (I think.)
< 1329846797 86391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey-oh, oh, hey, a new person, a new excuse to:
< 1329846798 777040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1329846802 545421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1329846813 746044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was disappointing.
< 1329846849 951416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where /is/ fungot, anyway?
< 1329846863 521400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and should I implement a +source in thutubot?
< 1329846868 735826 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329846873 181693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1329846873 368533 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1329846891 652033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot
< 1329846891 988719 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good point. it wasn't my fault this time
< 1329846901 809104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it /usually/ your fault?
< 1329847011 750286 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd
< 1329847021 674315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a visual bf interpreter in TI-BASIC. because i had so many friends in high school...
< 1329847077 346289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a good way to make some.
< 1329847079 869494 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1329847122 148444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz wrote the nicest TI-86 Befunge-93 implementation I know of. (Though not in TI-BASIC.)
< 1329847145 6228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's also the only one I know of.
< 1329847166 90445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1329847180 435127 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329847189 814889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was still nice. It had a nice bitmap view of programs in the program lister and so on.
< 1329847319 745804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All non-space character cells black, rest white.)
< 1329847634 935489 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti basic is good
< 1329847667 365610 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329847671 211588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1329847672 174043 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1329848432 840028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1329849714 141068 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329849793 31859 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, anyone seen elliott lately?
< 1329849882 328387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *here*, but ais523 has reportedly discussed wikithings with him.
< 1329849890 577078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did notice the move was completed, right? 
< 1329849903 469463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Befunge and missing people, consecutively, has Vorpal been here in a while? 
< 1329850023 511151 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329850128 963398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman
< 1329850142 921389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mRoman
< 1329850167 570455 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to make a 16 cell brainfuck computer in minecraft
< 1329850193 85170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-70.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1329850239 409107 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone??
< 1329850247 252801 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-204.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1329850264 398515 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-204.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329850294 179723 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to make a BF computer in MC, but I settled for a TM-ish thing and then didn't actually finish it when I had the tape read/write and state machine parts done.
< 1329850309 898424 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC actually moving the tape was going to be a pain.
< 1329850324 420298 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The read/write head was a thing of beauty, though.
< 1329850498 243848 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing mine with redpower
< 1329850514 863696 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a computercraft interface
< 1329850540 622844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it with a tape of transparent and opaque blocks.
< 1329850599 295434 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading consisted simply of running a wire through one column of the tape and writing used this neat little piston switcher which would swap the two in about 8 ticks.
< 1329850739 982634 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh the literal tape memory
< 1329850969 85386 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329850976 16252 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry browser quit on me
< 1329850986 75084 :Killer64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1329851009 585899 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth
< 1329851048 813712 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft
< 1329851794 470674 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1329851903 30326 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9g1_BTz0o
< 1329851904 189768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1329852490 985470 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1LlxCD39QM
< 1329852499 56618 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats me
< 1329853224 990093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329853308 542533 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329853562 110948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody owns matrixofsolidity.com
< 1329853565 464987 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the proper solution to this problem.
< 1329853594 336030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to register it, and put something vaguely useless there?
< 1329853605 275600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity
< 1329853608 390829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :296)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1329853653 902115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know the quote, ofc, but forgot the original source)
< 1329853704 967551 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAI
< 1329853778 910814 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im making a brainfuck interpreter in minecraft
< 1329853941 959351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK
< 1329853952 915534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need an infinite amount of redstone to do it properly, so it might take a while
< 1329853959 487106 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329853964 291743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose you could make one with a limited tape
< 1329854068 425004 :Chef__!~Chef@S0106001310f0b056.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1329854190 256537 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using redpower
< 1329854231 656184 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1329854246 323939 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will be small compared to other ones
< 1329854678 517310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is/was treederwright?
< 1329854712 530766 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote treederwright
< 1329854715 919826 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :296)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1329854747 152942 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy who said "enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" and went away, never to be heard of again?
< 1329854777 285683 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT WANT
< 1329854788 155610 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poops on floor*
< 1329854925 859536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared17: pretty much
< 1329855020 265138 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=enjoy+being+locked+in+your+matrix+of+solidity
< 1329855059 907052 :killer64_!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi notch
< 1329855088 254931 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs treederwright
< 1329855107 383944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8693
< 1329855109 400503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything on Google that uses that phrase as a phrase is referencing the wiki
< 1329855115 363124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the first page of results, at least
< 1329855138 309063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-03-10#211642treederwright <--
< 1329855162 596033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am just amazed at your funniness" is not a bad quote either
< 1329855167 331270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just pales to the subsequent one
< 1329855198 262023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think roughly half of my IRC life is spent being amazed at what nicks aren't taken.
< 1329855200 446829 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship
< 1329855214 56746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, "script" was, when I tried to XSS with it
< 1329855224 438131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I didn't think of just writing 
< 1330382516 687535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever look at that log where we XSSed oerjan?
< 1330382523 703724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1330382527 64568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think so
< 1330382534 138126 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a toerjan horse
< 1330382547 469334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"troerjan" would work better, I think
< 1330382552 689955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is http://goat a valid URL?
< 1330382560 484765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's missing the TLD, I think
< 1330382566 489168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is if goat becomes a TLD.
< 1330382566 676703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever get me with that, there will be some banning around here.
< 1330382567 408529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some would be goatse, and some wouldn't)
< 1330382572 334696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it will be, one day.
< 1330382580 805083 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trurl jan
< 1330382585 249022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a surprisingly bold statement to make
< 1330382588 404611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is there ever not banning around here when we inconvenience you in some way?
< 1330382590 43026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Many resolvers will add the local domain or whatever's in the search path; and how many networks there are without a goat? 
< 1330382594 290222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You haven't seen my life plan.
< 1330382600 478115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very observant.
< 1330382605 729215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last step is to pay a lot of money to register goat as a TLD
< 1330382624 199554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, I just made you a sysop.
< 1330382627 49713 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A room without books is like a network without a goat" -- Cicero
< 1330382627 250774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please don't actually do that
< 1330382640 141401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OK
< 1330382651 703737 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0xAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1330382652 522868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  102609391136443956281976666927457327617395154350170434031115347406889900446...
< 1330382664 971089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What, it's helpful!
< 1330382678 36802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it's not helpful /enough/
< 1330382703 636312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll crat him instead.
< 1330382714 284639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was referring to the goat thing
< 1330382721 183424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the sysopping oerjan thing
< 1330382735 345992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you /think/ I meant?
< 1330382739 103939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1330382741 263036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with sysopping oerjan
< 1330382745 207156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then!
< 1330382746 457209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ENJOY.
< 1330382753 144439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But what if I want to register goat as a TLD?
< 1330382755 977959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I not allowed to?
< 1330382760 318530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be helpful
< 1330382765 702706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but not helpful /enough/
< 1330382791 895772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things don't have to be helpful!
< 1330382801 248837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to register goat and put, e.g. a picture of a goat there, that's totally OK.
< 1330382813 276699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not what TLDs are designed for!
< 1330382821 63293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop polluting the TLD namespace!
< 1330382830 254190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goats aren't polution
< 1330382831 839573 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goats are goats
< 1330382834 544095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goat is goats
< 1330382835 873865 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goat
< 1330382844 400892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: icann decided thats what they were for
< 1330382850 715051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if companise are allowed to
< 1330382853 545292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goat should bet oo :'(
< 1330382861 443901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goat/o/
< 1330382866 840785 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bets it all on oo

< 1330382889 182112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523, "Deleted spam account" or "Deleted spam user"?
< 1330382895 545053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& furthermore why (500 word minimum)
< 1330382900 490767 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some squatter is squatting goat.ee
< 1330382901 646439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2
< 1330382901 833172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 1
< 1330382909 334114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought voting was closed.
< 1330382912 677801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I can only fit 510 characters on a line!
< 1330382916 274311 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a goat.oo
< 1330382920 605257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, 1 word minimum.
< 1330382928 289232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is, we've gone from democracy onto dictatorship
< 1330382941 191864 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And monqy is the dictator?
< 1330382963 319240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, normally I'd say "user" because it's used for the purpose of saying who did the editing, not what they edited via, but "account" seems to fit spambots better because they aren't actually people
< 1330382970 705927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new spam user deleted summary every day
< 1330382974 310794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my promise
< 1330382983 43463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keeping it fresh"
< 1330382984 147555 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-236-164.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1330382989 89676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330382992 72075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- monqy, promising, for the people
< 1330383009 658449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh no, you've reminded me of why I stopped being a politician
< 1330383023 470533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(short version: I was too honest running for re-election, and only got 2 votes out of several thousand)
< 1330383027 707816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm still wondering who the other one was)
< 1330383039 775337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you even get elected in the first place
< 1330383040 830632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you lie
< 1330383043 820352 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330383062 772418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was under a different system, in which I managed to get in unopposed several years in a row
< 1330383075 166770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't need to state my opinions at all
< 1330383123 167558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "user" or "account"
< 1330383132 198646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am merely consulting a few people in my role as dictator, not establishing a vote.)
< 1330383156 979544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toughe choice
< 1330383169 874963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vote for "thing"
< 1330383183 289266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1330383184 508005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No voting.
< 1330383190 838811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nonvote for thing
< 1330383195 686445 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing for thing
< 1330383201 203373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't Wikipedia eventually settle on the term "!vote"?
< 1330383215 381553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things that were like votes in every way, except officially not being votes?
< 1330383258 389757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse
< 1330383259 450338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1330383261 426438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing
< 1330383276 628157 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The con-two-centsus.
< 1330383296 585622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: "Deleted spam user" or "Deleted spam account" & why (5 word minimum) thanks.
< 1330383306 677132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is my computer so loud and hot? :-(
< 1330383312 243549 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And heavy.
< 1330383319 488602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the battery life is so short.
< 1330383321 221885 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote "Mickey Mouse".
< 1330383332 357191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Nope! This isn't a vote.
< 1330383341 61484 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stop using it and these problems will go away
< 1330383351 671499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because you didn't follow my advice.
< 1330383352 702613 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except perhaps the heaviness
< 1330383353 301515 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vote for monqy and "Mickey Mouse" will be today's spam account deletion summary
< 1330383358 543687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I found your "saying who did the editing" argument convincing.
< 1330383361 936440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've gone for "user".
< 1330383438 829433 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, I'm pretty happy with it so far.
< 1330383443 377287 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When do I stop being happy?
< 1330383459 107251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Soon.
< 1330383465 314516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1330383467 74131 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon.
< 1330383469 5700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then I'll run the query on the DB
< 1330383472 362110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after taking a backup, ofc)
< 1330383491 733872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you merging users directly on the DB?
< 1330383922 14318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp vote c printf("Your vote has been registered.\n");
< 1330383922 552042 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter vote installed.
< 1330383934 274786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!vote Cthulhu for president!
< 1330383939 539205 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your vote has been registered.
< 1330383950 751174 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!vote
< 1330383953 728 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your vote has been registered.
< 1330383955 671774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1330384005 216405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def vote ul (Your vote has been registered.)S
< 1330384005 403738 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1330384006 522540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For redundancy.
< 1330384052 803886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also say that they share the same record of registered votes, in a sense.
< 1330384058 544926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1330384306 183675 :kmc!~keegan@184-200-118-210.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330384712 95053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", strcmp("", "test"));
< 1330384714 293552 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1
< 1330384725 154165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", strcmp("a", "test"));
< 1330384727 254810 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1
< 1330384735 561926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like this: http://sprunge.us/eeWX
< 1330384777 335407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: change COMMIT to ROLLBACK first for testing
< 1330384787 328513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that'll do absolutely nothing, surely?
< 1330384792 872633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't ^ and $ identical commands?  http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sortle
< 1330384794 48489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1330384803 6431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's the point?
< 1330384810 127803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you miscapitalised "from" in "DELETE From watchlist"
< 1330384818 789069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: @ask graue
< 1330384821 826169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you can inspect the situation before the rollback to see if it's what you expected
< 1330384834 211505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, transactions don't work like that?
< 1330384835 260013 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1330384843 361145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do if you do them slowly enough
< 1330384852 240630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1330384859 669601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you run it up to the rollback
< 1330384861 809562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then look at the state
< 1330384866 408174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if it's not what you expected, rollback
< 1330384883 7643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1330384888 173785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was going to take a backup first
< 1330384893 307820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically equivalent
< 1330384935 273945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's the difference between the change going live and the change not going live while you test
< 1330384968 729520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK, but I'm going to set the wiki to read-only mode
< 1330384976 879863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the worst that could happen is a minute's outage
< 1330385043 764864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, do you really trust MySQL to isolate a transaction properly? :)
< 1330385059 180212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I guess not :)
< 1330385123 372434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and I'll keep the wiki read-only to scan through the account list to find any others we missed
< 1330385241 44564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the wiki is officially read-only
< 1330385242 770551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps take a backup too?
< 1330385256 463198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm about to
< 1330385364 827508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query OK, 3131 rows affected (37.67 sec)
< 1330385366 625853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that be a many spam
< 1330385437 467502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think these UPDATEs are running over every single element of the table.
< 1330385442 602364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It be a very slow.
< 1330385510 775767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very, very slow.
< 1330385525 380634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I hereby enlist you for help in going over the resulting user list to find any remaining spammers.
< 1330385646 66115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql> UPDATE logging SET log_user = @spam_user_id WHERE log_user IN (SELECT user_id FROM spammers)
< 1330385646 440803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    -> UPDATE ipblocks SET ipb_by = @spam_user_id WHERE ipb_by IN (SELECT user_id FROM spammers);
< 1330385646 631287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'UPDATE ipblocks SET ipb_by = @spam_user_id WHERE ipb_by IN (SELECT user_id FROM ' at line 2
< 1330385646 945893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1330385672 253228 :kmc!~keegan@184-200-118-210.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1330385974 447111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the rows-affected results look right
< 1330385992 855489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are now 1371 users left, which is correct
< 1330386018 162875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most of them are still spammers, ofc, but still)
< 1330386022 973344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commit time!
< 1330386024 357868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, anyone here know how to go from a hexdump of a file to the actual file?
< 1330386031 630765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: od, IIRC
< 1330386034 307142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: R U READY
< 1330386040 310472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has a reverse-dump mode?
< 1330386053 337294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm aSQLeep now, by the way.)
< 1330386054 477493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think so
< 1330386067 323102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't seem to
< 1330386078 875280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to recover a crashed website from people's browser caches
< 1330386104 769487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,
< 1330386105 502776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR    u.user_name REGEXP '^\\d+ buy '
< 1330386105 835886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I can do this with a Perl oneliner
< 1330386108 849392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work
< 1330386112 778981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there's a ton of them still left
< 1330386115 246582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, might be cached
< 1330386126 762416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nope, that part just didn't work
< 1330386138 51700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deleted_spam_user heh
< 1330386173 35791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: xxd has a reverse-dump mode; but Perl with some pack 'C*' and map hex split is what I've used.
< 1330386184 451123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ASQLeep, eh?
< 1330386202 530440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as of now.
< 1330386223 129758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it wants [[:digit:]]
< 1330386224 946071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1330386240 880421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1330386280 580830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, here we go again
< 1330386282 691630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrooom
< 1330386306 338411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there go 48 more users :)
< 1330386328 477026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=5000 btw
< 1330386375 985915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, this actually worked
< 1330386410 290379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, but there's still a bunch left; it'd be nice to get the low-hanging ones before unlocking the DB
< 1330386454 292376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant my reverse-hexdump thing
< 1330386463 829081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1330386477 823378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|    2408 | Asd184900                 | asd184900@asd.de                         | dsfgdsfgsfd                                      |              0 |
< 1330386478 731889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1330386489 567034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matches the pattern
< 1330386491 110950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wasn't it dropped?
< 1330386496 940277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1330386497 825754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email
< 1330386504 14865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, /me just removes the email requirement
< 1330386507 25409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody legit is going to have that username
< 1330386522 898018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just delete the whole user database and let people re-register?
< 1330386528 74054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're all @asd.de
< 1330386536 750814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I refuse to do that
< 1330386555 227774 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1330386659 966863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, one of our users is called "Angela"; I wondered for a moment, but it turns out it's a spambot
< 1330386667 45768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1330386669 914291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like deletion is the correct choice :P
< 1330386729 909094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how busy are you right now?
< 1330386748 29715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of this recover
< 1330386776 330532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, blognomic.com has some malware on it
< 1330386783 624415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some javascript redirects me to google.com
< 1330386796 541786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's been complaining about that recently
< 1330386801 550945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to comment in the associated thread
< 1330386822 824670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what input I could provide, exactly
< 1330386827 571538 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330386857 181673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1330386863 172480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't admins edit the template?
< 1330386867 462684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably removing that would fix it
< 1330386923 662269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey you
< 1330386939 852842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1330386950 846140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how trustworthy are you
< 1330386956 73140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure precisely what to do

< 1330386962 352793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dubious
< 1330386981 633051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds good to me
< 1330386983 918012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your email
< 1330387039 202699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan at a certain place called nvg in org
< 1330387090 350407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, just nvg.org?
< 1330387191 863631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1330387421 874360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql> select distinct right(user_email, length(user_email) - locate('@', user_email)) as domain, (select count(*) from user where user_email like concat('%@',domain)) as count from user order by count desc;
< 1330387423 330833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useful
< 1330387460 801415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brendonweston.info is spam, stcharlescountyhome.com is spam, thankyou2010.com is spam, mailnesia.com is very likely spam
< 1330387499 395034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, mailnesia is spam
< 1330387563 444169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there goes another 37 users
< 1330387573 810580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you 2010
< 1330387603 680120 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330387650 403880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have 7zip
< 1330387717 317280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea
< 1330387759 716549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 7z and 7za on the nvg server command line
< 1330387789 757856 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1330387931 930312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that'll work
< 1330388057 939359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sent an email
< 1330388529 971633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meanwhile, mafiascum.net's admins are trying to work out how all sixteen backup disks managed to get zeroed at the same time, during a site failure
< 1330388566 551815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got all the publicly visible data I could out of my cache
< 1330388578 604314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1330388644 420527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's pretty worrying something like that /can/ happen
< 1330388647 248243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clearly isn't a coincidence
< 1330388696 307855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :114	Tom Duff	td@pixar.com	Tom Duff	28
< 1330388701 475425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an awesome user record
< 1330388777 115944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're pasting user emails in #esoteric?
< 1330388791 790381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt that's spam
< 1330388792 501252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oops :)
< 1330388797 635954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that email is public, though
< 1330388833 996883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to be current, anyway: http://www.tomduff.com/mailto.html
< 1330388868 564209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he's the author of the prehistory page
< 1330388886 319745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, no more is $wgReadOnly set to "deleting spam accounts"
< 1330388893 562638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll lock the DB again once I find another pattern
< 1330388921 610692 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CA16.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1330388994 257456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the history of excela is weird
< 1330388997 440929 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CA16.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330389003 500041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loads of spambots, and the occasional "deleted spam user"
< 1330389046 839184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm focussing on selecting spam users from [[Excela]]'s history right now
< 1330389049 706356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*focusing
< 1330389052 868302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it seems a lot of them got lost
< 1330389098 230628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, "any user with only one edit, and it's to Excela" is very unlikely to be a false positive, right?
< 1330389111 169860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting point
< 1330389115 726388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neleai even the language creator survives (just) ;)
< 1330389118 196322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also a page quite likely to attract drive-by vandal cleanup
< 1330389228 642449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I am really terrible at joins
< 1330389254 225647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(show/hide) 16:49, 28 March 2008 (diff | hist) MemPanic ‎ (top) [rollback]
< 1330389254 569437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(show/hide) 22:29, 26 March 2008 (diff | hist) N MemPanic ‎ (New page: '''memPanic''' is written by Tommaso Moro in 2008. [http://www.mempanic.altervista.org memPanic website])
< 1330389255 315691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1330389285 830886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1330389290 426216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to restore from the backup and investigate
< 1330389393 296756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it was "Doppiazeta"
< 1330389405 125287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out why they were presumed a spammer
< 1330389455 634167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+---------+------------+---------------------+----------------+
< 1330389455 859421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| user_id | user_name  | user_email          | user_real_name |
< 1330389456 48732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+---------+------------+---------------------+----------------+
< 1330389456 48930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|     282 | Doppiazeta | doppiazeta@email.it | TommasoMoro    |
< 1330389456 49033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|     315 | Dopiazeta  | doppiazeta@email.it | Tomamso Moro   |
< 1330389456 520559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|     317 | DoppiaZeta | doppiazeta@email.it | Tommaso Moro   |
< 1330389458 638637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+---------+------------+---------------------+----------------+
< 1330389462 20105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the mind boggles...
< 1330389493 376018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said you'd checked all the triplicates?
< 1330389500 623456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, stop posting emails publicly
< 1330389504 638633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, and oops
< 1330389529 833246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one was buried in a sea of alphabetic-mush-with-real-looking-names
< 1330389586 401753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: hey, go censor the logs or something
< 1330389624 414277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the old wiki have a privacy policy?
< 1330389637 980628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1330389705 499759 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_censor ^:elliott![^ ]* PRIVMSG :|.*Dop.*email\.it.*Tomamso.*Moro
< 1330389826 951907 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330389838 32881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: somehow I don't believe that's a real glogbot command
< 1330389841 710405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_ignore does this still work?
< 1330389842 463361 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this still work?
< 1330389863 630540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Mark Chu-Caroll has an account on the wiki
< 1330389883 495412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he edited [[Mark C. Chu-Carroll]]. COI! COI!
< 1330389914 798930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should admit to editing [[Ørjan Johansen]]
< 1330389958 41498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I've never edited [[Alex Smith]]
< 1330389992 680804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that all the edits to [[Mark C. Chu-Carroll]] except his own are mine.
< 1330390062 737719 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I edited user:monqy
< 1330390064 45746 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1330390065 444717 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two times
< 1330390089 335681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let me know when you're free to look for patterns in the remaining users (before I restored the backup), btw
< 1330390110 584585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not tonight, I'm free but too tired
< 1330390331 915140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1330390355 998482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION updates the page

< 1330390388 522215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: User:* is supposed to work that way
< 1330390433 653766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the wiki's still locked
< 1330390514 500384 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was the joke :(
< 1330390528 265688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sorry, no jokes allowed
< 1330390532 860887 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330390582 125925 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1330390788 718344 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1330390887 383148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c argh the wiki's still locked
< 1330390888 581576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no it's not
< 1330390898 122921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it is
< 1330390903 619204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed
< 1330390974 36283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_C._Chu-Carroll&curid=2127&diff=30724&oldid=13111
< 1330390978 766261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already noted it was non-current...
< 1330390982 376298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 2008 :P
< 1330390997 791764 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330391002 711820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm darn
< 1330391082 191506 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-029-066.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330391082 888359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i edited an old revision :P
< 1330391094 924889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Mark's
< 1330391097 623922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1330391231 602236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't see myself being a sysop?
< 1330391259 587873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you actually want to be?
< 1330391285 34517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were joking
< 1330391303 727636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. but i wanted to at the start of this anyway
< 1330391320 915937 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-055-126.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1330391454 152989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looked up a norwegian geek on wikipedia and was not disappointed by the picture chosen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Olav_Lahlum

< 1330391526 160660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be geekier
< 1330391640 770336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i went to op you but i accidentally opped olsner instead. sorry.
< 1330391642 170021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sysop
< 1330391666 841284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats EgoBot -----###

< 1330391683 466474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330391690 909272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1330391781 882995 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1330391809 26519 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330392435 445877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know when you turn into a floor?
< 1330392436 959352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks.
< 1330392449 602529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1330392466 14404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not okay.
< 1330392488 168704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not a common experience for me.
< 1330392494 266866 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't turn into a space toilet; they suck ass
< 1330392690 935898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1330392979 559357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you sure?
< 1330392983 937911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just never notice.
< 1330392996 883710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm....
< 1330393076 945226 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is firmly grounded in reality
< 1330393119 674030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: :(
< 1330393138 928481 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CA16.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1330393144 124730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all locked up in his matrix of solidity
< 1330394356 559618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sortle&curid=1270&diff=30727&oldid=30723
< 1330394562 569321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS RIGHT *MWAHAHAHAHA*
< 1330394580 26798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always good to know.  unless it's something awful, of course.
< 1330394937 771782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY WHO WANTS TO HELP ME WHITTLE DOWN SPAM USERS
< 1330395001 463550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet elliott does; he seems enthusiastic.
< 1330395031 592251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thank you for volunteering!
< 1330395035 144071 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330395063 687911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS I'M AFRAID
< 1330395084 798006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh noo
< 1330395094 691431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you have only yourself to blame
< 1330395098 540941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh nooo
< 1330395106 346193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow welcome to heaven
< 1330395106 533713 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2w3e4l5c6o7m8e9 2t3o4 5h6e7a8v9e2n
< 1330395137 949602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very spectrally realistic, that rainbow
< 1330395152 250465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU RUINED MONQY'S CHANCE TO RESPOND
< 1330395158 944251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick yourself for ruining the pattern please
< 1330395170 966870 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too dead to respond
< 1330395187 351122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot ruin a pattern i don't recognize
< 1330395187 830404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what heaven's for right
< 1330395189 369322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead people
< 1330395202 128351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no / ohh noo / ohhh nooo etc.
< 1330395203 12682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bats.
< 1330395211 414463 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm a bat
< 1330395214 82593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bats are of course dead mice, thus the wings
< 1330395243 24574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip mice
< 1330395244 842866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that pattern
< 1330395314 262097 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got high hopes for DocSigma, just because that's a neat sounding name.
< 1330395324 563426 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Gugus.
< 1330395366 820782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking through the user list I see :P
< 1330395384 430568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't DocSigma come here once...
< 1330395420 92042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a mad scientist
< 1330395566 990217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help.
< 1330395569 458687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i turned into a floor again.
< 1330395574 778667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330395589 362298 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can floors delete spam users
< 1330395594 316397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you doing when it happened?
< 1330395607 416765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION analytical

< 1330395646 580109 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ng Ta ka monqy update
< 1330395657 637538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: having a premonition of what Sgeo was about to do
< 1330395674 348503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1330395693 691892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330395696 631874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I on there
< 1330395708 115891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who are Ng, Ta and ka
< 1330395716 357852 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd, taneb, kallistey?
< 1330395722 930398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngorricle, tapioca, kapoop
< 1330395727 588961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1330395747 682659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly correct, elliott is
< 1330395977 710000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'(
< 1330396138 448738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'(
< 1330396501 534097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330396602 454520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'(
< 1330396651 628082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`...
< 1330396652 735093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'(
< 1330396655 451320 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ...: not found
< 1330396720 373587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i ts crying because of you
< 1330396741 780825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1330396805 288949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"say goodbye to the internet"
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< 1330397287 703882 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1330397502 466928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'(
< 1330397593 926037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cries softly. spam query cries softly.
< 1330397596 910050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :world cries softly
< 1330398112 33842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1330398596 379951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is crying because i have to upgrade my browser which means i have to reinstall all my addons and stuff which is a pain and pain is tears
< 1330398618 723426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What browser is reinstalling addons on upgrade necessary with?
< 1330398662 744964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing FF3.6.3 -> FF10.0.2 in one swell foop
< 1330398679 737589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots of addons which have released versions that are only functional in later versions
< 1330398689 464385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are thus separate packages
< 1330398787 120063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 -> 10 is only one major version.
< 1330398811 911061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the major version dividing line?
< 1330398856 500695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They changed to their new version scheme for FF4.
< 1330398905 561371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since then the first number has increased 3 months, 1 month, 2 months, 1 month, 1 month after each release.
< 1330399383 709398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was less painful than expected, though i lost outright several of my addons
< 1330399390 986724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i dont use those very often
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< 1330406218 766099 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You'll never guess what happened to my caps lock key *this* time.
< 1330406236 660169 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might guess if you try enough.
< 1330406296 436330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you would hate my workaround.
< 1330406364 782853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what I'm not going to do?
< 1330406381 181570 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess?
< 1330406382 209984 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your workaround "hold the shift key"?
< 1330406390 618688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My workaround:
< 1330406397 788384 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while true; do disable-capslock; sleep 0.1; done
< 1330406424 688466 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it somehow stukc into randomly activating?
< 1330406432 862031 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, whenever I press it.
< 1330406438 148032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an art to the building up of suspense.
< 1330406471 612608 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also an art to suddenly going to sleep now.
< 1330406474 75136 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
< 1330406496 64951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You found the only way to decrease its battery life.
< 1330406502 530966 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wins.

< 1330406518 863707 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achievement unlocked: Negative battery life!
< 1330406555 438480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked
< 1330406565 626153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played it.
< 1330406577 875312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play the sequel?
< 1330406585 197042 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't finish it.
< 1330406586 975389 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got the point.

< 1330406597 743055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rewarding!
< 1330406605 81932 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's rewarding?
< 1330406611 283827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figuring out why my caps lock key is so broken.
< 1330406771 729058 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1330407068 538046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recompletes Achievement Unlocked in 437 seconds.

< 1330407071 999308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH FUN.
< 1330407076 736803 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :437 seconds?
< 1330407083 528430 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad you didn't unlock the "under 400 seconds" achievement.
< 1330407140 506739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I don't remember playing the sequel.
< 1330407174 925647 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you got bored with it.
< 1330407177 268439 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bored with it.
< 1330407183 927493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play the "1-level" game?
< 1330407186 497344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1330407193 47263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play the "0-level" game?
< 1330407195 819817 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: Yes.)
< 1330407273 160146 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330407638 999822 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there good languages that compile to flash?
< 1330407906 696298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why the heck would you want to compile something to Flash?
< 1330407920 809280 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you lost me when you said flash
< 1330407949 413076 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I want to make Flash games..
< 1330407963 759838 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. so visual basic vs flash, which one is the winner?
< 1330408069 302605 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to make flash games
< 1330408149 370621 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be on 4chan /f/?
< 1330409036 870239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C?-) (There's that LLVM-based "Alchemy" thing from Adobe Labs. Wonder if anyone's used for anything.)
< 1330409091 93972 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Suicide
< 1330409143 619540 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330410006 41435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52. Finally.
< 1330410013 486188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember Dot Action 2?
< 1330410026 172491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they compiled Doom with that thing.
< 1330410060 398291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Dot Action 2 was with it? Well, then.
< 1330410070 518113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no.
< 1330410073 71014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a remark.
< 1330410079 879473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1330410096 580670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a question, but mostly a remark.
< 1330410122 832961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone's compiled Lua's regular VM with it, to do a bit of VM-on-VM fun.
< 1330410336 75662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. So do you remember Dot Action 2? That was a game.
< 1330410359 81679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course.
< 1330410359 904570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there's a Dot Action 3.
< 1330410397 93633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or is there.
< 1330410556 490144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[PDF] Weak Charge Quantization on Superconducting Islands
< 1330410556 676872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 Mar 2002… scales we consider are larger than δ, one may evaluate the second term in the dot's action (3) in …
< 1330410559 892916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This stupid thing aint'nt even loading.
< 1330410567 273481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does http://www.muchgames.com/play-games/dot-action-3
< 1330410569 413136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :load for you?
< 1330410571 201506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it "the legit"?
< 1330410638 148557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, now it a-loadeth.
< 1330410659 915147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the 2. :(
< 1330410674 549661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creys & so on.
< 1330410698 848217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dot Action 3: Dot Harder.
< 1330410724 188657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Awnings dot, game go down the road. 
< 1330410724 538881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people have a "pocket computer", a time that might be played."
< 1330410804 168656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play some "dot action" with your "pocket computer"; adding quotes can make almost anything sound dirty.
< 1330410816 899413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not dot action! That's one of his other games.
< 1330410819 402859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget its name, now.
< 1330410824 180786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was on a list.
< 1330410958 815120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :His Twitter is good, translated: "Pikachu, ocean currents, Washiboshi"
< 1330410966 903520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hopefully this will be even a little soldering"
< 1330411111 365532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And today I'm going to sleep again."
< 1330414095 592362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea*
< 1330414108 974754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should make a language with random bit errors :D
< 1330414121 315966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers then would have to use error correction mechanisms :)
< 1330414310 28844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy?
< 1330414556 744889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat like that yeah.
< 1330414757 497617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRUNK ELIZA: COME CPME ELUCICATE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
< 1330414767 333457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1330414775 943782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My english is too bad to recognize what this should mean
< 1330414778 549629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elucicate?
< 1330414792 205870 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elucidate is like... describe?
< 1330414792 519753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elucidate?
< 1330414797 797612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1330414800 246713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know elucidate.
< 1330414800 711281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucid
< 1330414802 528263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make lucid
< 1330414833 787720 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for extra nerdiness:
< 1330414839 113365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRUNK ELIZA: DGD!XOU COME!VQ CE!BFCATSE YOU ARE"BAD AT EPGLISH. 
< 1330414840 791391 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come come elucidate your thoughtsSss
< 1330414847 79473 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunklevel too low
< 1330414851 818598 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :commmeh sjooomMe ElUhuhhuhcIdAhte yaOoour thOoouhghtZSssS
< 1330414854 275075 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1330414854 668280 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunk eliza doesn't seem to like ponies
< 1330414868 987676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :She said I'm bad at english!
< 1330414876 401106 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote an eliza bot once
< 1330414881 465078 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping nerds would recognize it
< 1330414883 194346 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody did :(
< 1330414888 834970 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, lame
< 1330414894 91411 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made her latch on to people who join the channel
< 1330414894 748117 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a classic
< 1330414894 976270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRUNK ELIZA: PH* J BYOUTCH! 
< 1330414902 656866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know
< 1330414907 925716 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that elucidate line is a real giveaway
< 1330414921 746835 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i modified it to respond to people in like #!!!!!!!!lolsex
< 1330414928 676465 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if i got anything funny
< 1330414929 230876 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only corrupts data, not code?
< 1330414930 544258 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fun.
< 1330414936 801256 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy talked for 95 lines getting ONLY GENERIC RESPONSES
< 1330415082 754067 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the time cube never goes away
< 1330415096 877126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube?
< 1330415101 288671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at the topic

< 1330415105 28764 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have you seen http://thymecube.com/ ?!
< 1330415116 223490 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,69655167No human or god can match
< 1330415116 432893 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,69655167Nature's simultaneous 4 flavor
< 1330415116 619645 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,69655167revolution in 1 Earth plant.
< 1330415595 97372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9478085/learning-type-of-argument-in-function
< 1330415595 621104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the...?
< 1330415600 977594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: timecube.com
< 1330415624 626447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @stackoverflow
< 1330415641 883308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy seriously does not understand haskell
< 1330415666 639030 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell is strongly typed so you always know what type the parameters to functions are."
< 1330415679 491419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he wants
< 1330415688 403919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if type(a==Int) do that else do this
< 1330415698 270181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ignoring the question because it overflowed the infuriatingness, and instead focusing on minor details of answers.

< 1330415739 545965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell him to pass (String,String)
< 1330415755 525817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he can read it!
< 1330415808 807916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually he should be able to get that behaviour with typeclasses and instances?
< 1330415850 438676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you ever been durnk?
< 1330415850 625156 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just kidding.
< 1330415866 572633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who's kidding? 
< 1330415866 894855 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as a newbie to understand what makes their programs agreeable to me.
< 1330415908 833680 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1330416031 250698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, people gave answers now?
< 1330416038 554189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I linked it there were none. That was good.
< 1330416321 318563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those haskell questions are terrible.
< 1330416672 532342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are, yes.
< 1330416679 323425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know.
< 1330416707 10941 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell questions are terrible because Haskell is terrible.
< 1330416719 229084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is terrible.
< 1330416722 410139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not at that level.
< 1330416758 523001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is terrible.
< 1330417039 600613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm grateful someone on the irc told me to learn haskell.
< 1330417057 433324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have learnt Lisp otherwise.
< 1330417069 16228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"otherwise"?
< 1330417091 306863 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by lisp
< 1330417097 597678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp 
< 1330417126 936276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody then said "fuck you. learn haskell" :D
< 1330417202 83543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I wanted to learn a new, hopefully better language @otherwise
< 1330417214 432082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CLisp seemed like a nice language.
< 1330417520 919297 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye
< 1330417551 141658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never happy with the programming languages I used so I always keept looking for better languages.
< 1330417630 66650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kept
< 1330417654 27924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should still learn lisp
< 1330417744 985811 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Common Lisp in particular?
< 1330417761 613674 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason to prefer Common Lisp over, say, Scheme, besides the perhaps not so great reasons I have?
< 1330417790 223846 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1330417989 835120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a scheme compiler
< 1330417992 578369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to native code)
< 1330417994 484473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1330418004 898201 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken Scheme, I believe
< 1330418006 656294 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be others
< 1330418044 464619 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main reason I'm currently focused on Common Lisp rather than Scheme is FUD about libraries and portability.
< 1330418266 156805 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I kind of want something more suited for modifying a running program.
< 1330418275 728262 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I've been told CL is better at, not sure how true that is.
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< 1330418691 666879 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-153.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1330419219 740937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. im a flower
< 1330419891 405209 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I reading about Poker on one particular poker site rather than sleeping?
< 1330420595 597487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poker
< 1330420645 259278 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played poker yesterday
< 1330420650 434090 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first time in my life
< 1330420780 675501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you die
< 1330421025 532893 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don
< 1330421028 557032 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1330421041 44897 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a site, AmIStillAlive.com
< 1330421061 98192 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a site, apparently it's private?
< 1330421089 393407 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maitoa - Trac or something
< 1330421159 278454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1330421240 847750 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, AmIStillAlive.com wants me (anyone who visits) to authenticate, and the server says "Maitoa - Trac"
< 1330421275 254314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1330421303 503119 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The registrant is apparently in Finlnad
< 1330421305 223250 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland
< 1330421382 928349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to sleep ffs
< 1330422374 108686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fi:maitoa = en:milk. (Well, it's the partitive case.)
< 1330422479 595354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, a fizzie.
< 1330422482 829060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahafizzie.
< 1330422577 670236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really; I've'to do this exercise session in ten minutes or so.
< 1330422604 917961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I get this laptop to do the wireless, otherwise I'm going to have some trouble remote-running the MAT LAB.
< 1330422699 808821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you exercising... your laptop?
< 1330422721 197678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not mine.
< 1330422727 808016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's our group's demotop.
< 1330422739 904659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely managed to remember the password of the democcount.
< 1330422790 586500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remote-X-MATLAB over a barely-there wlan is a good patience-building exercise.
< 1330422817 964011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I feel as if Finnish people aren't even speaking words.
< 1330422971 363129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this thing is like the slow. But at least it works.
< 1330423053 8649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain why they don't put in some plug-it-in network cables in the classrooms. I think some of them have one, but most don't.
< 1330423069 25505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a couple of holes in the wall, but I'm not sure I want to go sticking my thing into strange holes.
< 1330423078 565831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since I don't have a spare cable.
< 1330423167 872006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you speaking words?
< 1330423205 606462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1330423209 551391 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.classicreader.com/book/2967/1/ < I'm supposed to read this for English class. . .
< 1330423221 291597 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Scots??
< 1330423313 644689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, looks pretty English to me.
< 1330423339 752277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then it gets a bit more Scotsy. But I think it's just regional English.
< 1330423356 324502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutually intelligble and whatnot, anyway.
< 1330423366 25625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scots borders on being a dialect.
< 1330423506 558005 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still can barely understand it...
< 1330423552 247222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronouncing it might help.
< 1330423571 669923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Americans are less acquainted with Scottish accents.
< 1330423589 718963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'd still need a dictionary to get all o' them words. But it doesn't look *too* bad.
< 1330423626 82168 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh
< 1330423630 94576 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sudden start of dialect kind of....
< 1330423631 758842 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait WHAT"
< 1330423662 571083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the English are well-accustomed to sudden onslaughts of Scots, if you know what I mean.
< 1330423683 249835 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they live next to scotland.
< 1330423749 729645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that, yes.
< 1330423760 979315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call what we do next to Scotland living.
< 1330424340 602752 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1330425387 765605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Afghanistan has no copyright law" whoa
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< 1330425875 596443 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1330426760 582594 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪
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< 1330430553 323560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1330430554 303054 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1330430669 833997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://buztech.org/read-d-programming-ebooks-lesson-1-getting-started.html
< 1330430678 681311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To be healthy to information in D you requirement to prototypal intend a D compiler. For this tutorial we are feat to ingest the Digital Mars D Compiler."
< 1330430689 189170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every instance you poverty to information in D you crapper meet separate dprogenv.bat and it module unstoppered a bidding distinction pane with every the needed surround variables already set. If you undergo what you are doing then you crapper also ordered the distinction on your machine to allow the distinction to the folder that contains the programme and ingest it same that but using this wink enter is much easier for beginners."
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< 1330433317 508756 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330433345 331939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the Power of the Continuum fill your soul with answers.
< 1330433385 687335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1330433410 237120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1330433985 63152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice
< 1330434195 876767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 yes, by the way: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode.txt
< 1330434196 63617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1330434196 526814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330434199 535811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330434208 697508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 and see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ#May_I_apply_CC0_to_computer_software.3F_If_so.2C_is_there_a_recommended_implementation.3F
< 1330434208 884428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1330434214 44822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Phantom_Hoover: you entered within seconds of each other
< 1330434223 166054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1330434225 964086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1330434244 417213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no im Taneb 
< 1330434257 946879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'm Phantom_Hoover!
< 1330434286 77255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contempt: a modern depiction.
< 1330434318 750607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't actually hold Taneb in contempt; it's like having contempt for a kitten.)
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< 1330434360 219434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel happy noe
< 1330434368 844885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oe/ow/
< 1330434572 796324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1330434629 310408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, lost internet
< 1330434670 928723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check under the sofa?
< 1330434682 709372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in my other pocket
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< 1330435713 712767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pingypongpong.
< 1330438089 661457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bing bong.
< 1330438113 881115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an uncommonly interested student, had to talk to him like an hour afterwards.
< 1330438142 879472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fair part of it was commiserating about how our introductionary signal-processing courses are in Finnish only, though. (He has a different background, apparently.)
< 1330438190 429505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a policy level decision that all bachelor's degree level courses are primarily in Finnish only, while all master's level courses are primarily in English only.
< 1330438260 585333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You has the eepveesixes, right?
< 1330438313 616952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, to some degree.
< 1330438324 711446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here at work, certainly, we're not that advanced.
< 1330438355 670274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, more like "jerk", am I right?
< 1330438364 286397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Am I?)
< 1330438376 636433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one at home is through a funnel nowadays, thanks to the faster-and-cheaper-but-worse ISP. But it still exists.
< 1330438473 388916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the sixes, though? 
< 1330438627 318061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if esolangs.org "mostly worked" via IPv6, modulo the /etc/hosts entry that would be required since there's no AAAA record.
< 1330438634 209224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I saw the http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ thing and was like "hey, I can beat them to that".)
< 1330438747 607987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey quick can you pastebin me your .zshrc.
< 1330438881 394692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't use zsh.
< 1330438909 990258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I get a connection-refused out of that one 2a01:... address you once gave, for port 80, though the host itself seems to answur.
< 1330438981 10232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right, so probably nginx isn't listening on IPv6?
< 1330439005 276177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds possible. It ping6's just fine.
< 1330439070 777493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee...
< 1330439072 545442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously ping6 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd gives a rather stable 52.2 ms, while ping esolangs.org gives an equally stable 56.2 ms. I guess I can deduce IPv6 is just four milliseconds faster.
< 1330439110 995034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it's quite a different route thanks to the funnel.)
< 1330439126 170806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try now.
< 1330439139 900396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The days of 30-second-loads-because-of-broken-IPv6 are in the past now, right?)
< 1330439157 279611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should be at least in a very small minority.
< 1330439184 320075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I got a 404 not found, but that was probably because I tried the direct address, which doesn't have the esolangs.org Host:. I'll try with the /etc/hosts on.
< 1330439205 131836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, the default site is just an empty thing.
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< 1330439305 905227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work.
< 1330439323 687656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Special:Randomed a couple of times, and finally ended up in "Clue (Keymaker)".
< 1330439351 843671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only borwsed via elinks so I don't know if it actually looks right.
< 1330439355 965585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're accessing through IPv6? Just checking.
< 1330439359 579738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, you know, /etc/hosts.
< 1330439362 846116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely, no.
< 1330439371 293214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to verify from the blogs? 
< 1330439377 824331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You could pop in 127.0.0.1 in the hosts line.
< 1330439382 268166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that IPv4 lookups would fail.
< 1330439386 736587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, succeed.
< 1330439389 333248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then go wrong places.
< 1330439416 104282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm now at "Sclipting/table", I'm not sure that was an improvement.
< 1330439444 280519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The body seems to be just "{{{1}}}" as seen by elinks.
< 1330439447 362534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1330439458 384402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some HTML, I think, that's obviously shown on the rendered page.
< 1330439459 574453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definitely veesix?
< 1330439482 325162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's 127.0.0.1 for "esolangs.org" in hosts now, so I suppose it's very likely. I guess I can tcpdump just to be sure.
< 1330439520 502812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't waste THE ALAN DIPERT's time for nothing, y'know.
< 1330439542 780079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: I don't use zsh.
< 1330439555 791221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, what about the one from when you did?
< 1330439617 479705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's lost to the sands of time. Or the sands of just being on another machine.
< 1330439619 862148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31:13.216682 IP6 (hlim 248, next-header TCP (6) payload length: 1440) 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd.80 > 2001:470:df67:4c:21d:7dff:fee4:a593.35562: Flags [.], cksum 0x4d4d (correct), seq 22571:23979, ack 396, win 960, options [nop,nop,TS val 889163587 ecr 188507229], length 1408
< 1330439624 782234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just use the zsh setup wizard thing.
< 1330439624 969243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very sixy.
< 1330439629 540814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that looks quite 6.
< 1330439643 204618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well... good to know.
< 1330439674 418508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1330439723 411269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removedated it now because otherwise I'll forget it there and then spend half an hour wondering what's wrong with esolangs.org when it v4-resolves to localhost.
< 1330439736 933458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if anyone needs v4-resolution in 2012.
< 1330439746 849365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should be on IPva billion now.
< 1330439834 545647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should add that graspy diagram thing to that grasp thing or something on the wiki.
< 1330439845 409018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need ALL MY GRASP DIAGRAMS IN ONE CONVENIENT PLACE.)
< 1330439897 368101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a half-written rewrite of the new thing in ~/grasp.txt, I'm just too self-conscious to edit it in the wiki even in my own user page. I'll git'r'done soon.
< 1330439915 862494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it were *there*, people could *see* it.
< 1330439922 727414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have any of that sort of thing.
< 1330439972 546564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, man, yesterday was, like, a post-server-move RECORD of NON-CHANGES!
< 1330439974 953762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally slippin'.
< 1330440306 689806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330440979 867255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu.
< 1330440985 410989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a stalker mode o_O
< 1330441799 354041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sigh*.
< 1330441928 399558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to install Morrowind under Wine; when I start the installer in the ISO, all the characters are garbled (they're all vowels with `� superscribed, if that helps); I have corefonts installed and the ISO set up as a disk drive.
< 1330441953 922366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This place can't be any less helpful than #winehq, so it's worth a shot.
< 1330442158 367007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vowels with blah sounds like Unicode fail.
< 1330442164 235246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot please
< 1330442216 873385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts, discovers that he doesn't actually have a screenshot utility.

< 1330442338 222568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: scrot or such
< 1330442351 18214 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, even gimp.
< 1330442387 947602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy, installing scrot failed because the mirror didn't have a required library.
< 1330442413 616198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kernel.org; I thought it was supposed to be more reliable than that?
< 1330442472 77226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, that'd be great if I had Gimp.
< 1330442541 451935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What distro?
< 1330442548 794593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Arch.
< 1330442557 283724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you "-Syu"?
< 1330442567 96448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A library was presumably not found because you didn't update the bloody repos.
< 1330442575 160766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and don't "-Sy" without "u")
< 1330442591 202350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it tried to download an old library version which has been removed.)
< 1330442603 767227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *did* -Syu.
< 1330442614 111457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a while ago, though.
< 1330442626 905693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a while ago.
< 1330442630 172147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1330442632 389463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How while ago?
< 1330442633 714229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330442640 425579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should basically do it before any repo operation unless you've done it in the past day.
< 1330442673 381265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where it gives no indication whatsoever that it's because of outdated repos.
< 1330442748 910214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/q8sez/remind_me_why_do_we_dislike_the_elves/
< 1330442751 892779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst df player
< 1330442753 917610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It has absolutely no way of knowing whether it's due to outdated repos.
< 1330442770 976176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its records tell it that libfoo 4.5.1 are available at kernel.org; it goes to download, gets a 404, and dutifully reports on that fact.
< 1330442786 792255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking whether the repos are out of date on every operation would be possible, but incur a time delay and HTTP request on every task.
< 1330443987 166197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://imgur.com/hssVS
< 1330443990 971110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird text.
< 1330444094 773045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, that's trying to be Russian or something.
< 1330444099 511811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that from the pirated WA installer.
< 1330444108 249036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried saying yes and no?
< 1330444167 669417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR trying it before, and I think I still got crazy text.
< 1330444176 811635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1330444179 3362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go through the installer.
< 1330444186 847245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean.
< 1330444196 175064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although actually it's question marks in the installer.
< 1330444213 932234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1330444294 607395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you don't have to read the text to be able to operate the installer.
< 1330444325 475550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, now it crashes.
< 1330444366 739416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes through the UESP help.

< 1330444429 558179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'Äëÿ óñòàîâêè èãðû' | iconv -t iso-8859-1 | iconv -f cp1251
< 1330444432 976858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Для устаовки игры
< 1330444444 310709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For ustaovki games", says Google Translate.
< 1330444451 835063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Couldn't be bothered to type in more.)
< 1330444477 930366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure about the thing that looked like a double-i in the second word.
< 1330444489 233304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's probably translatable like that.
< 1330444563 237951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^
< 1330444766 262173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morrowind's crashing now.
< 1330444962 896751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I mistranslated it to Для устаовки игры требуются мрава администратмра "For ustaovki games require Mrav administratmra" and GT said "Did you mean: Для установки игры требуются права администратора" => "To install the game must have administrator privileges".
< 1330445035 141154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the "double-i" thing was "íî" for reals. Well, makes sense.
< 1330445039 894981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, to catch a bus. ->
< 1330445470 694784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got another solution. This was shortly followed by discovering that it's in Russian.
< 1330445513 710430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's rushin'.
< 1330445556 776955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even find the language options.
< 1330445644 7330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SCP-1234: The Russian Game
< 1330445656 703365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most dangerous game.
< 1330445661 973824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object class: Keter
< 1330445687 573060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special Containment Procedures: SCP-1234 is to be kept safely on Phantom_Hoover's hard drive at all times. At no point is he to attempt to play the game. Any attempt should be met with immediate termination.
< 1330445710 846470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330445739 139455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description: SCP-1234 at first appears to be an ordinary copy of the 2002 video game Morrowind. However, it is only available in Russian, a language the original Morrowind was never translated to.
< 1330445748 430866 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330445784 820968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a single person undergoes 12 cumulative hours of play of SCP-1234, they will begin to utter Russian phrases (expletives, proverbs, etc.) in everyday contexts, yet will deny awareness of these occurrences.
< 1330445804 643795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 24 hours of play, they can understand conversational Russian, and can offer no explanation for this ability.
< 1330445823 30215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 48 hours of play, they will be fluent in Russian.
< 1330445850 823379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 72 hours of play, they prefer Russian for all communication when possible, and will often have mild difficulties understanding their native language, as might as non-native speaker.
< 1330445853 19838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like a good thing elliott
< 1330445893 772205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 96 hours of play, they understand only basic English, and communicate exclusively in Russian or extremely fractured English. They can offer no explanation for this, yet do not find it distressing in the slightest, and express a continued compulsion and desire to play the game.
< 1330445937 232149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 120 hours of play, they lose the ability to comprehend and converse in English altogether, and their level of proficiency in Russian attains a very high state.
< 1330446022 324843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 144 hours of play, they begin to speak in an odd dialect of Russian, corresponding to no existing dialect the Foundation is aware of; they are still mutually intelligible with Russian speakers, but use odd words with unknown meaning, and develop unconventional pronunciations of existing words. This effect continues throughout 240 hours of play, by which point speakers of ordinary Russian have great difficulty communicating with the subject.
< 1330446101 268060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 336 hours of play, they speak an entirely unknown (but common to all test subjects so far) Slavic language, only tangentially related to Russian. The in-game text of SCP-1234, too, adjusts itself to the new language.
< 1330446149 760900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What next.
< 1330446166 20823 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1330446238 861478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No further effects are experienced until 432 hours of play are accumulated; while playing the game, it will began to behave oddly, displaying glitches, random teleportation, screen blankings, unexplainable crashes, and sub-second flashes of horrific images rendered within the game's engine. The test subject does not seem to notice these events, or is simply not bothered by them. They begin to enter a trance-like state, and will not stop playing t
< 1330446239 47873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he game. If force is used to remove them from their play, they will react crazed and violently, with force surpassing that of a normal human, often killing those attempting to remove the player. However, ordinary firearms are enough to kill the test subject at this stage.
< 1330446375 274570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 438 hours of play, the test subject, still in their trance, suddenly stops moving their hands and ceases play. The computer display starts to flicker wildly, producing, in quick succession, a long series of disturbing images similar to, but more intense than, the ones displayed at 432 hours of play. After 1 minute of this state passes, the computer running SCP-1234 will instantly turn off (and becomes irreparably broken), while the subject rem
< 1330446375 501339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ains in their trance-like state, completely still, for another sixty seconds.
< 1330446382 349563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that time, [DATA EXPUNGED]
< 1330446384 589680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HAPPY NOW
< 1330446402 790941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1330446446 519263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, kind of went downhill.
< 1330446473 71427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'M NOT GETTING PAID HERE
< 1330446520 685827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, what happens next is they turn into Slenderman and go on a caving adventure with Ted.
< 1330446531 159402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1330446661 283351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNw2YcAK9Wc
< 1330446662 9407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1330446662 196101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That rubbish was *almost* edging towards being interesting, too.
< 1330446663 967028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to ruin it!
< 1330446680 876477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language-takeover thing is an interesting concept, at least.
< 1330446737 776394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I love YouTube videos that start with like half a second of manic intro.
< 1330446743 735328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK basically I have decided that the adolescent/young adult male American accent is a curse upon the world and must be destroyed.
< 1330446797 807808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've been doing this all night"
< 1330446950 240751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So are these cats an official thing
< 1330446955 377500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1330446957 319595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they are.
< 1330446959 531531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
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< 1330447059 172412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-164.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That would be a California accent, if it's what I think it is.
< 1330447084 558268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TRY AND BLAME CALIFORNIA
< 1330447112 171863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-164.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, but, it's their accent?
< 1330447163 67868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, pikhq_.
< 1330447182 672449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's every accent of that description with an insufficiently small number of exceptions.
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< 1330448796 936556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers that there's a surprisingly large number of Humble Bundle games which he couldn't run before.

< 1330449061 464439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330449067 970492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1330449113 38452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330449137 435130 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend challenged me not to go on Wikipedia until the end of Lent.
< 1330449148 796242 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I extended that voluntarily to TVTropes as well
< 1330449154 156684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-186.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT'S SO DIFFICULT
< 1330449161 578576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like bent.
< 1330449184 75960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, a cool new esolang: http://bit.ly/bTqWYW
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< 1330449484 608312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue!
< 1330449488 507806 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1330449495 853318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship graue.
< 1330450837 999875 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that you telling me that graue is here, or you assigning friendship as an adjective to graue?
< 1330451046 669993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a commandment
< 1330451087 640704 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY GRYAYEYYAYUUUEUE
< 1330451155 372892 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I challenge you to give up Lent next year.
< 1330451385 285265 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamviews.org/f17/dreamviews-hacked-hijacked-128707/
< 1330451468 524040 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is my WM so buggy?
< 1330451488 667319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you bought the wrong laptop!
< 1330451499 142675 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1330451505 679975 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix it.
< 1330451610 804592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1330452687 832685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies like bird
< 1330452688 19533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh man, not one, not one, but *TWO* Loper OS posts I missed!
< 1330452688 19713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Time for ag
< 1330452695 212793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, effing copy and paste.
< 1330452702 147335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2012/0227-video-games-depict-religion-as-violent-problematized-mu-study-shows/
< 1330452707 219173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TABLES HAVE TURNED
< 1330452722 970846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies like a bird are the worst kind of lies.
< 1330452727 174380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Logreader.
< 1330452761 910485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Lies With the Sea but with less Bowman.
< 1330452776 244822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh, "portrays Knights Templar" is really their criterion?
< 1330452795 783951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that thing actually ends "--30--"
< 1330452798 301077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldschool
< 1330452807 517895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; also it's funny because TES religion is like 5 times more complicated than any actual religion.
< 1330452983 189860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like making some tweets about different kinds of bark.
< 1330453051 376768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1330453103 459252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just have this urge to get into botany.
< 1330453123 831530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1330453125 143298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1330453133 424584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330453150 952007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the fact that I suck at biology exams might get in the way of my drema.
< 1330453153 821884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my dream.
< 1330453205 304736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow ow ow, my ADSL modem died (it just blinks an orange lamp when turning it on). Stuck on 3G now from my laptop.
< 1330453232 875153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, important question, what faction did you join in the Skyrim civil war questline.
< 1330453233 579466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this marks the first thing Vorpal has said in months.
< 1330453243 461205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a momentous line to break the silence
< 1330453245 801755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weeks definitely.
< 1330453250 996355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about months
< 1330453256 645834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so I must use this precious bandwidth.
< 1330453301 240734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I didn't in my first game. Both sides are arseholes, just in different ways. Then I joined the stormcloaks in the next game and the imperials in the game after that.
< 1330453301 636777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I don't think you said anything in Jan.
< 1330453316 979390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, so that is "month" not "months"
< 1330453320 407973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit how am I meant to hate you for that.
< 1330453331 475733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you meant to?
< 1330453354 728531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I was hoping you'd joined the Stormcloaks so I could hate you, also Sweden, even more.
< 1330453374 309589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but seriously both sides /are/ areseholes. There is no way you can sympathise with the Thalmor (sp?) and Ulfric Stormcloak is a racist.
< 1330453405 999007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"areseholes" is a word in no dialect.
< 1330453412 382471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1330453417 656122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "arse" is (C) (exclusively licensed to) britain, you totally can't use that
< 1330453421 926056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arsehole*
< 1330453432 500148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you prefer me to use american spelling?
< 1330453450 672793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Swedish! I don't really prefer, I just... prohibit.
< 1330453464 674371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1330453570 592534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has embraced my hatred of swedes :')
< 1330453623 677127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, recently I have been playing Oblivion though. If you compare vanilla Oblivon (no Shivering Isles, that just skews the comparison even more in favour of Oblivion) and vanilla Skyrim I feel that while there are areas that were improved in Skyrim (graphics obviously, also the left/right hand wielding is nice, and the AI is better) the quests seems to lack depth in Skryim, not that the quest
< 1330453623 964933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s didn't lack that in Oblivion as well, but Skyrim is worse there.
< 1330453671 456449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, also did you know that Skyrim was developed for CONSOLES and has INFERIOR GRAPHICS unlike THE WITCHER "
< 1330453679 588748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(" is the capital form of 2.)
< 1330453705 605327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare the mage college quests lines in the two games for example, that one is very short in Skyrim compared to the one in Oblivion. The same is true (but to a lesser extent) with some of the other quest lines (fighter's guild vs. companions for example)
< 1330453743 337533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the individual quests aren't all that interesting in Skyrim compared to the ones in Oblivion, at least to me.
< 1330453802 385429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway both games have terrible user interfaces for PC, they are just terrible in different ways. At least the Oblivion one doesn't randomly select a different dialogue option than the one you clicked on though.
< 1330453852 544143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330453877 724516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1330453880 651381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, who changed the join message?
< 1330453885 741804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi
< 1330453892 627767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I don't like the new one, I was just surprised
< 1330453894 205244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1330453938 464495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you?
< 1330453940 200770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from what I heard there are expansion packs planned for Skyrim though (in plural, don't know how many though). If they are all as good as Shivering Isles, then I think the scales could tip over in favour of Skyrim.
< 1330453949 392222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say now?
< 1330453964 170283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't me
< 1330453969 242652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- [#esoteric] Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Check out our sub-lime wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/
< 1330453971 422040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can find out with a simple /cycle!
< 1330453979 723011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or asking someone, I guess
< 1330453981 718260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric
< 1330453981 905624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330453986 547171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so I do
< 1330453992 703348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame oerjan
< 1330453997 530737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that pun has to go
< 1330454057 653235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https over 3G over bluetooth is so slow :(
< 1330454066 134883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly wasn't me, but I did half-smile at "sub-lime" the other day.
< 1330454119 364201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330454139 451971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: completely esoteric MW trivia question: why do the devs not like proposals to have a way to hide the title on the Main Page?
< 1330454157 712764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1330454161 978445 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330454166 963449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if you aren't an endless tome of knowledge :/
< 1330454171 687317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to rely on fizzie instead
< 1330454244 532753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, security update in Ruby
< 1330454246 961237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a little interesting
< 1330454258 393888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1330454316 578931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to download that then. Ouch. (FYI: My ADSL modem died like half an hour ago, so I'm on really slow tethered 3G)
< 1330454321 981537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSes due to intentional hash collisiosn
< 1330454325 327410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*collisons
< 1330454328 562316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1330454331 988873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and predictable random number generation
< 1330454335 798730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the one all the interpreters have been fixing
< 1330454336 726609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Perl patching around that years ago
< 1330454337 577556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bad hash in a hash table?
< 1330454338 38342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hash collision one
< 1330454341 661495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, perl got it years ago
< 1330454350 388379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every other language took until a month or so when it was rediscovered
< 1330454354 773400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about Java?
< 1330454364 991677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure they /can/ change String.hashCode() without breaking things
< 1330454365 781956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's ever managed to use a Hashmap
< 1330454367 535023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's theoretical
< 1330454367 763299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was it rediscovered like a month ago?
< 1330454382 658509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uhh... with a brain?
< 1330454384 153888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I actually used it once. It was in a java course at university though.
< 1330454384 958178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the hashtable impl that changes
< 1330454389 932023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the hashes themselves
< 1330454399 309483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm
< 1330454404 350758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1330454415 149047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1330454416 239023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you intentionally just get a bunch of strings with the same hashCode, and then no matter what the hashtable impl, you'd get a DOS?
< 1330454435 432283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the hashtable does some kind of random salting or something
< 1330454439 334581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to remember the fix
< 1330454491 914173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers when the frappr was in the chanserv welcome message?
< 1330454496 325857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uphill both ways and so on
< 1330454660 915342 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-158.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1330454715 984665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember asking why it was there when it didn't work waaay back.
< 1330454786 577276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradition
< 1330454788 15886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :purity
< 1330454789 369320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :family values
< 1330454897 107792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought the usual fix was a random salt in the hash function
< 1330454908 913318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I remember the frappr thing
< 1330454916 618406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even remember when it worked :)
< 1330455043 656047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and Yahoo! has threatened to sue Facebook over patent infringement
< 1330455135 174335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This laptop has the hard drive activity light *behind the lid*.
< 1330455142 259880 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't see it while actually using the computer.
< 1330455170 977475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do people use hard drive activity lights for nowadays anyway?
< 1330455243 845392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, checking if the disk is active? When you have a slow disk and the system is acting sluggish it makes it easy to check if IO is the cause
< 1330455267 806572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's reasonable
< 1330455271 280345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have a fairly average 5400 RPM HDD in my laptop, it has a HDD light too (just below the screen)
< 1330455275 96957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is kind of useful
< 1330455291 397553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HDD light on this laptop is just below the touchpad
< 1330455293 860848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hardly look at it
< 1330455295 342471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less useful with SSDs of course
< 1330455312 327874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well my laptop has 10 status lamps below the screen
< 1330455338 280402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlan, bluetooth, numlock, capslock, hdd, power, battery, AC, suspended
< 1330455347 110461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 9
< 1330455387 705696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the battery one is tri-colour (green, orange, red)
< 1330455437 297600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, another question: why are there usually status lamps at each ethernet port. It isn't all that useful and surely removing them would save battery life in a laptop
< 1330455438 87163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 9 here: AC, power, battery, HDD, SD card, wlan, one that's never been on and has a signal strength icon, scroll lock, numlock
< 1330455455 866260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've used a system where the ethernet status lights were incredibly useful
< 1330455462 267400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1330455471 397423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure it is useful sometimes for debugging, indeed
< 1330455472 919111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they were the only method of determining whether the system was powered on, and whether it had booted
< 1330455478 217153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1330455494 909504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ssh was our only way to communicate with it, without reassembling the thing to have a serial port and using that)
< 1330455509 188418 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure LEDs are a major power drain in laptops.
< 1330455510 537281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is usually not the case for a laptop
< 1330455510 847741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some embedded system?
< 1330455519 887120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1330455538 315538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, the ethernet leds are fairly bright compared to the normal status LEDs
< 1330455541 218739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm
< 1330455653 558839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, 17 unread Usenet messages, that's a lot
< 1330455988 903790 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330456688 113557 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330456965 312408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome audy
< 1330456972 749035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :audy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1330456980 99879 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott howdy
< 1330457166 376326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the Bukkit team have *joined* Mojang.
< 1330457179 560917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they're actual employees now.
< 1330458038 351770 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my brain just exploded.
< 1330458081 816661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc explode
< 1330458082 3459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: My brain just exploded.
< 1330458164 333472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc
< 1330458164 526457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Exotic Stmt in meta brackets
< 1330458173 98015 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458173 284690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: GHC stack-space overflow
< 1330458245 19412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458245 206234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Kind error
< 1330458248 357078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458248 543883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Malformed constructor signature
< 1330458250 127075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458250 313683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Unexpected type splice
< 1330458250 501311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458250 688121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: accepting non-standard pattern guards (-fglasgow-exts to suppress this message)
< 1330458250 874758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc
< 1330458251 61489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Implicit-parameter bindings illegal in a parallel list comprehension
< 1330458293 58110 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330458372 556137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says the darndest things
< 1330458390 491141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc darn
< 1330458390 707280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Sorry.
< 1330458834 103597 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330458982 505075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc oh
< 1330458982 733293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Use -fallow-incoherent-instances
< 1330458986 903734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc no
< 1330458987 90684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: No constructor has all these fields
< 1330458996 574330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc oh no
< 1330458996 782961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. :(
< 1330459003 521871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1330459046 157051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fallow is a word
< 1330459058 636007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :inactive incoherent instances?
< 1330459134 31270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fallow is a bit more specific than inactive
< 1330459150 848889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fallow land is land that you allowed to go wild for a year so that when you farmed it again the next year, it'd be more fertile
< 1330459208 238651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so you tell ghc to fallow the incoherent instances so that you can use them more productively later?
< 1330459386 731293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they lie in the depths
< 1330459388 362653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting, lurking
< 1330459461 116290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330459645 848473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1330459658 398710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing programs in Fueue is hard...
< 1330459834 812809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written most of a Truth-machine in Fueue
< 1330459862 682142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need some way to get input and subtract 48 from it, then let it end up in PRECISELY the right place
< 1330459959 618165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think [49:[49:(](!][48H]($+-49 would work
< 1330459978 511365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[49:[49:(](!][48H]($+-48 rather
< 1330460444 422027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[49(:[49(:](!][48H]($+-48 and I'm pretty much certain that works
< 1330460481 138300 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1330460481 325006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1330460482 850889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1330460483 681648 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: help on how to think of it as " call-by-need" because unlike call-by-name, it caches the value of the current position in the global environment of the cond-it _module_, if-it is still bound in the usage environment.
< 1330460508 73083 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460516 117477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460559 685075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460607 87127 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330460607 273548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1330460607 273686 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330460691 315573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460694 940390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460698 47687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460702 558451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460709 713456 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1330460711 282044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460716 720015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1330460719 101036 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1330460722 382595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1330460723 89739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammertime
< 1330460725 672739 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1330460729 516733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the worst hi outbreak in months
< 1330460748 914686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nobody has the strength to stop them before they go too far, humanity itself could be at risk
< 1330460754 950935 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330460757 507918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP-hi
< 1330460804 960972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id
< 1330460805 737877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a
< 1330460835 48843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t undefined
< 1330460835 843898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a
< 1330460967 182789 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Monty Python had a sketch about a meeting of n people requiring n·(n−1)/2 handshakes.
< 1330461144 338729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You can say "triangular number", you know.
< 1330461183 851338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: I failed to remember the function’s name at the time.
< 1330461237 134003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you failed to remember my name at the critical moment, too. :(
< 1330461252 435497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ for your brain.
< 1330461317 684824 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a typo. :-)
< 1330461351 867325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make some typos of my own, if you know what I mean. What I mean is that I'm going to bed.
< 1330461374 896347 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :…in bed!
< 1330461391 656603 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can add “in bed” to anything… in bed!)
< 1330461487 484117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-162-144.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1330461605 112277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think that doesn't actually imply that you're going to bed
< 1330461659 670590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1330461817 715483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330461943 227863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:33:12:  i blame oerjan
< 1330461943 414676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:33:17:  and that pun has to go
< 1330461947 887849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER MY DEAD BODY
< 1330461997 526074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least someone noticed.
< 1330462061 776028 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1330462092 857788 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330462142 244938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn touchpad acting up
< 1330462165 705699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: I'll try a reboot
< 1330462260 60215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pun? was it a good pun?
< 1330462272 831979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its relation to oerjan?
< 1330462305 220998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, /cycle and read the join message (if it is still there)
< 1330462380 211360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle?
< 1330462392 850972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, parts and joins the channel again in most clients
< 1330462411 152787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :channels have join messages?
< 1330462414 236245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, if you want to know the pun that is
< 1330462438 631282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PART :#esoteric
< 1330462438 818122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330462474 180666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Check out our sub-lime wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/"
< 1330462493 304777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that funny :(
< 1330462497 715528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even that punny
< 1330462513 721407 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the hyphen and it'll get better
< 1330462532 84435 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes the wiki sublime?
< 1330462566 358139 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant
< 1330462583 980230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the logo 
< 1330462655 585758 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyphenating sub-lime makes it too obvious
< 1330462662 57290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is lasting 7 years for a consumer ADSL modem bad or good?
< 1330462683 48295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just looked up the date when I bought my ADSL modem to check if there was still any warranty, of course there wasn
< 1330462686 858343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't)*
< 1330462699 763349 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting @sub-lime
< 1330462724 678128 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that supposed to be the "featured" languages list?
< 1330462743 995404 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.
< 1330462751 41158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1330462759 117952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it does that for every search string with a -
< 1330462873 213297 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind if I ask a C dev question about an esoteric language I'm writing?
< 1330462898 394474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, go ahead
< 1330462963 858583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c dev?
< 1330462967 591881 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well currently, I have the entire thing written, but it's having some funny errors. The language is based on brainf***, but each cell is a stack. anyways when I try to interpret: '!\'d\'l\'r\'o\'W\0#' \>'o\'l\'l\'e\'H\[./]<[/.] it should output "Hello World!"
< 1330463014 864753 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it outputs "HelloWorld!" Instead, I can make it output hello world by doubling the ' \\>, but I shouldn't have to....if I don't change cells and just do '!\'d\'l\'r\'o\'W\' \'o\'l\'l\'e\'H\[/.] it works fine
< 1330463058 827318 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the source: http://pastie.org/private/dxlpozwrkgqr3ztbfxtcgg
< 1330463074 906522 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note this is my first C program) >_<
< 1330463146 729838 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, so far, I've been able to reduce the source to about 500 bytes.
< 1330463155 764430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1330463297 718190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1330463386 550725 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Where do you put the characters on the stack?
< 1330463438 144784 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you do '!\ it pushes that character to the current cell's stack
< 1330463482 523801 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the first one which is broken pushes " World!" to the first cell stack, moves to the second and pushes "Hello" to it, then moves to the first and recursively prints it, where it then moves to the second and does the same.
< 1330463513 477815 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, it seems like the last character before a move cell symbol(><) needs to be pushed to the cell twice to be printed
< 1330463626 265830 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's stack_s for?
< 1330463645 116900 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the stack pointers?
< 1330463654 756318 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack_s retains the size of the stack for each cell
< 1330463673 162141 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, when I move to another cell, it'll start at whatever item was last pushed
< 1330463680 334876 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the area of the problem
< 1330463685 720855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1330463703 294623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack_s[cell] = --st_point;?
< 1330463729 500967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1330463747 324041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1330463750 918046 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the st_point contains the actual value of the stack's depth
< 1330463763 522357 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack_s[cell] associates it with the correct cell
< 1330463838 647371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that redundant?
< 1330463859 777463 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too, but when I tried removing it, the thing broke, so there is something that is making use of it
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< 1330463892 142293 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just fill stack_s with n*(int)128
< 1330463911 308352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now stack_s is a relative pointer from the middle of the stack 128
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< 1330463923 867220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you do st_point = 128 + stack_s[cell]
< 1330463942 751746 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric
< 1330463948 761164 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure out how to initialize the entire stack
< 1330463956 91536 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :calloc?
< 1330463960 721913 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was a dirty hack..
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< 1330463973 780396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages
< 1330463981 673856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With calloc you can get a zero initialized array
< 1330463985 112436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1330463985 422877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1330463990 702391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1330463990 958376 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1330463994 703247 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a 128 initialized array :(
< 1330464002 177250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1330464003 41119 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1330464005 513092 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fault :)
< 1330464011 414185 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :memset?
< 1330464038 886042 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried that, but let me try again
< 1330464078 676177 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use structs
< 1330464098 608076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct cell { int st_pointer; char[] stack; } or something like that
< 1330464137 704573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is the stack pointer 128
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< 1330464145 616038 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the size of the stack is 256?
< 1330464162 963467 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just do pop/push combinations there is no reason to start in the middle of the stack?
< 1330464163 994518 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, so so that you can start giving it negative values
< 1330464172 646884 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok.
< 1330464178 133917 :Senya!~administr@85.115.248.237 PART :#esoteric
< 1330464186 185167 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if some guy popped before he pushed?
< 1330464190 544434 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1330464197 964029 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually that'd crash a program
< 1330464202 858656 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of a sick fuck would do that anyway.
< 1330464205 836299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't pop what's not there.
< 1330464209 545547 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION !

< 1330464219 664402 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but in mine, it'll just pop a 0;
< 1330464220 440890 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yeah
< 1330464224 280322 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what punkt would do that ;)
< 1330464227 206567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t
< 1330464245 456578 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just rewrite the entire thing now that I'm a bit better in C
< 1330464255 95492 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally wrote that while I was reading the tutorials xD
< 1330464256 369930 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats like asking for data which is not present :)
< 1330464282 371068 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey! Gimme the book on top of that empty non-existing stack of books!"
< 1330464290 960408 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1330464321 20870 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sure. No problem."
< 1330464427 597794 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what are structures? just a way of organizing a set of variables?
< 1330464449 373816 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1330464469 463535 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct point { int x; int y }; allows you to write stuff like
< 1330464480 376048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct point myPoint; point.x = 5; point.y = -1;
< 1330464492 350578 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat
< 1330464520 838951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can typedef so you don't have to write struct everytime
< 1330464527 511101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct point { ... } point;
< 1330464533 645208 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can write
< 1330464537 139581 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :point myPoint;
< 1330464547 918264 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cNice
< 1330464572 15859 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stuff function pointers into a struct you almost have OOP ;)
< 1330464589 637433 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what OOP is x)
< 1330464597 368348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object oriented programming.
< 1330464602 35189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most evil kind of programming.
< 1330464605 552565 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that :P I just don't know what it is.
< 1330464624 329577 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been programming in Haskell, Prolog, and Assembly for the past few years
< 1330464646 762642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really got Prolog, sadly as it is.
< 1330464656 716118 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do okay in Haskell.
< 1330464661 997309 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it, but it felt limiting, which is why I started learning haskell
< 1330464685 824796 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on a binge, haven't programmed in a while, so I'm trying to learn them all again
< 1330464718 85585 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one really knows what OOP is.
< 1330464744 778470 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried C, but it felt kinda gross ;S
< 1330464747 394394 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++*
< 1330464755 181319 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is like C with OOP.
< 1330464763 705589 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pure evil C.
< 1330464778 849533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1330464782 159675 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1330464782 560403 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm a little bit
< 1330464788 646853 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-something-something
< 1330464803 190576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :prejudiced
< 1330464822 564211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "biased"
< 1330464832 751971 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those synonyms?
< 1330464841 566358 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought biased comes from "Biatch".
< 1330464852 507756 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... not... very... nice...
< 1330464854 186385 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're sorta synonyms...
< 1330464865 93855 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biased is just your point of view really.
< 1330464911 601550 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being biased is just having your own opinion based off personal experience or your likes/dislikes
< 1330464966 437253 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1330464992 839070 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't describe things well xD
< 1330465006 784495 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conversion from abstract to concrete isn't something I excel at.
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< 1330465142 504628 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for now I fixed it using a very shameful method >_>
< 1330465191 633098 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1330465215 131820 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto?
< 1330465229 471435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline assembly?
< 1330465233 119641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not so shameful.
< 1330465237 402878 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :		case '\\': tpush(); if((fpeek(file) == '>') ||(fpeek(file) == '<')) tpush();break;
< 1330465270 153805 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just push a second time if it notices the \ is followed by one of those :|
< 1330465274 463911 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a workaround for something.
< 1330465277 957815 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1330465301 326668 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like using duct tape to patch up a car window or something >_>
< 1330465314 244451 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters proved that possible \o/
< 1330465314 838575 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                   |
< 1330465315 25106 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                  /<
< 1330465320 828478 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1330465341 302614 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they do everything with duct tape.
< 1330465350 499189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except new episodes :(
< 1330465355 336654 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like patching a window with scotch tape >_>
< 1330465364 725067 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen myth busters in a couple years sadly :|
< 1330465376 706825 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last episode was probably the thermite through metal one..
< 1330465393 573587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They met obama in one episode
< 1330465397 868009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the last I remember.
< 1330465427 246111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he insisted on retesting a myth they tested for over 3 or 4 episodes.
< 1330465461 617007 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid archimedes mirror thingy ;)
< 1330465570 329083 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1330465577 268212 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that episode
< 1330465658 826206 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, Is there a quick way to get a character and convert it to it's numeric value
< 1330465674 857146 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like toint(getchar())
< 1330465721 638933 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :may bad
< 1330465726 435632 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it
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< 1330465800 822596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure C's getchar() returns an int (so that it can give a different value for EOF)
< 1330465811 726650 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1330465838 265717 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I meant to say a string to int but it seems that's what atoi does
< 1330465840 283541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the C unlambda interpreter had a bug due to using char instead
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< 1330465897 575017 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1330465902 167581 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1330465913 180005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character is a numeric value 
< 1330465935 325706 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1330465939 385134 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330465941 634475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which caused some minor trouble with my unlambda in unlambda interpreter when running it with itself
< 1330465943 7189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a numeric value! I am a free character!
< 1330465950 4707 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just needed a way for the user to input newlines and other unprintable characters
< 1330465972 350656 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually overdo it with esolangs :)
< 1330465980 407370 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Stlisp or Stlang
< 1330465987 815198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are even more high-level than C.
< 1330465989 955667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can be "fixed" by just replacing the ?\255 in the program with something else)
< 1330465996 156932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1330466003 95869 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is pretty similar to Haskell
< 1330466009 619829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way.
< 1330466012 952393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is not even pure.
< 1330466016 548762 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1330466032 492996 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But They are more similar than Lisp and C or any other language :P
< 1330466035 326435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Lips have Typeclasses?
< 1330466037 428357 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Lisp
< 1330466046 36486 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue.
< 1330466053 395361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything 
< 1330466057 465435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pattern matching?
< 1330466062 43969 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.e
< 1330466065 450099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's preventing a lisp from having typeclasses
< 1330466080 290363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much of lisp.
< 1330466083 306113 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the only reason I say it's similar is because I saw that you could do anonymous functions and it had lists....
< 1330466088 521516 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1330466092 721933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But something which is not pure is no way like haskell.
< 1330466098 847311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then python would be like haskell.
< 1330466104 285537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: i think that's almost like those who cannot see the difference between people of other "races"
< 1330466105 896291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript would even be more like haskell than python.
< 1330466106 88354 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: python can't do anonymous functions
< 1330466111 478456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Hu?
< 1330466112 792105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda?
< 1330466122 91989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce(lambda a,b:a+b,*args);
< 1330466123 808671 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda is different from normal functions in python
< 1330466134 107914 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Not that much.
< 1330466139 122777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use statements in lambda
< 1330466140 111201 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda can only do expressions, not sequences of statements. it's a pretty big difference
< 1330466151 468625 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :statements are not pure, so yeah.
< 1330466157 241379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expressions aren't pure either
< 1330466158 776844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good thing @no statements
< 1330466180 515974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really that's irrelevant
< 1330466222 6449 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can work around much of it though.
< 1330466225 568394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching can be implemented with lisp macros, i think
< 1330466229 287715 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can assign something to a variable in a lambda
< 1330466240 234287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a = 5) && False or something like that works.
< 1330466240 713492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not traditional lisp
< 1330466252 221263 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: but then you're working around it
< 1330466271 199883 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: If I had to workaround something I wouldn't use lambda
< 1330466275 186400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use closures then
< 1330466295 631223 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo(): def foobar(): ...
< 1330466329 143130 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how you can emulate that sort of thing in C with enough effort
< 1330466338 162699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1330466362 407129 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we can not argue with that.
< 1330466375 793331 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because somehow it must be possible to emulate that sort of thing in brainfuck ;)
< 1330466397 626588 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is  a pointer and & is the address in the pointer right?
< 1330466399 212542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then brainfuck is similar to haskell, it seems
< 1330466404 530958 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mix the 2 up
< 1330466409 774217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is the adress of a variable
< 1330466423 49052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a = 5; int ptr_to_a = &a;
< 1330466426 247578 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*int*
< 1330466429 672787 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1330466479 845452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int* i; i is a pointer; *i is the value behind the pointer to i
< 1330466487 516621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and &i would be a pointer to a pointer
< 1330466501 589990 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1330466514 384746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. time for sleep.
< 1330466515 662712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8.
< 1330466524 814161 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night
< 1330466555 100214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: they're both turing complete? :)
< 1330466913 924791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:40:59: -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
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< 1330466931 242875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have a feeling the universe is trying to keep me from meeting people today
< 1330466987 350216 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now that it's working I have a little program that tests whether it's 0 or not: ^\['Y./>+\<]>-\['N./]
< 1330467004 108602 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll print Y on 0 and N for everything else
< 1330467108 917428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hyphenating sub-lime makes it too obvious
< 1330467123 782334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but - would people notice it at all otherwise
< 1330467149 150771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, y'all are too damn hard to please.
< 1330467156 433707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be nonsensical without the hyphen
< 1330467165 333776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, what's sublime about it?
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< 1330467522 72280 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my preference is to err on the side of oversubtle nonjokes, then spoil them later
< 1330467526 294505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bad style, bad monqy"
< 1330467590 631412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION subtly swats monqy -----###

< 1330467725 64079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I make a lisp that supports destructive updates and lexical closures and all that stuff in a language that doesn't have it?
< 1330467731 331526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferrably without doing any work and/or thinking)
< 1330467793 547145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. think; step 2. do work
< 1330467816 65871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg that solution is 100% wrong
< 1330467907 190194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'll just do purely functional lisp instead
< 1330468029 583064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, it might not actually be that hard to build a heap-like thing where stack frames can live and be modified, and thread the updated heap through the whole thing
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< 1330471178 594290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why opening gvim has recently started pegging cpu to 100% for several seconds

< 1330471228 172156 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage in your vimrc?
< 1330471231 629401 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or gvimrc)
< 1330471283 839764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it started after i ditched avg for mse
< 1330471301 29697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1330471550 174407 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest that the problem is probably Windows.
< 1330471766 857838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems that something's fishy with opening my desktop folder, even from other places than gvim
< 1330471806 799152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever the proper english name is)
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< 1330474043 259093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so the tricky part appears to have been making defined functions have bindings for their name in their own environments
< 1330474067 397962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a purely functional lisp now, I think
< 1330474113 295886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: implement enough stuff to write a different lisp in that lisp
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< 1330482542 986787 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, first thought, is something like the State monad >.>
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< 1330489123 498109 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~ais523/  this page seems to have  tags which are not being processed on it
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< 1330490975 249367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what kind State monad?
< 1330490975 437717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1330490980 854063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages
< 1330490981 42801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 15h 46m 15s ago: yes, by the way: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode.txt
< 1330490981 230165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 15h 46m 3s ago: and see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ#May_I_apply_CC0_to_computer_software.3F_If_so.2C_is_there_a_recommended_implementation.3F
< 1330491263 177143 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep
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< 1330492048 702178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 259*6
< 1330492049 478788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1554
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< 1330494529 492028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..cpan tests are insane.
< 1330494536 536756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sitting and waiting
< 1330494541 677504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like hundreds of tests to finish.
< 1330494547 265525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousands?
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< 1330498365 778751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hu @Lisp
< 1330499192 41221 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1330499686 40183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a purely functional lisp in some lisp.
< 1330499695 803105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, the state monad, done manually, with something like a Map and a counter for fresh IDs as the state
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< 1330500989 971150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this stuff about a state monad?
< 1330502664 394321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1330502673 323050 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding optimal constants is really not that easy
< 1330502928 564198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either pick size or speed.
< 1330502976 129363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brainfuck like constants
< 1330502976 320104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1330502982 806198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1330502982 994491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
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< 1330508920 711220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My irssi stopped logging stuff since 29. Feb 2012 o_O
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< 1330509356 621729 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's today, isn't it
< 1330509476 628726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It no longer logs the future, like it used to.
< 1330509643 394551 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1330509652 565818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since today midnight.
< 1330509783 896043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's taking the leap day off.
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< 1330510627 110269 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1330510637 788987 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My permissions are corrupted somehow
< 1330510644 923132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -lah tells me 664
< 1330510656 91219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone
< 1330510662 167118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except elliott because he isn't here
< 1330510663 811933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no access to it
< 1330510712 343274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think there's quite a lot of other people who are not here either.
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< 1330515736 647322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It no longer logs the future, like it used to. <-- what?
< 1330517056 40436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this polymorphic variants thing in OCaml is about halfway between standard type systems and Anarchy
< 1330517067 864896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a lot more of the way if you could have polymorphic temporary bindings
< 1330517106 374881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   # q(4) // q(4) ;;
< 1330517107 744792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   - : '_a -> [> `E of [> `E of '_a * int ] * int ] = 
< 1330517109 370598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   # let x = q(4) in x // x ;;
< 1330517110 846710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   - : (_[> `E of 'a * int ] as 'a) -> [> `E of 'a * int ] = 
< 1330517117 645001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the problem?
< 1330517140 772952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Anarchy, you'd expect the two (translated appropriately for syntax) to do the same thing
< 1330517217 563140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that's definitely nice is that OCaml's syntax for types is expressive enough to describe all the types in Anarchy (or would be, if a couple of arbitrary restrictions were removed)
< 1330517257 950929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just, you know, horsing around. (Isn't that the expression?)
< 1330517266 51243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No actual horses were involved.)
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< 1330517371 143133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is the fundamental reason that oerjanswap doesn't type in OCaml (and Haskell does even worse)
< 1330517390 186073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because if you copy something with :, both languages expect both copies to be applied to the same sort of stack
< 1330517394 216166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's oerjanswap
< 1330517470 26856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's an Underload program, aa((!((aa)(!))))*:*^!**^a*^a*aa*(*:*^!**^)*^
< 1330517477 599709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does the same thing as ~ but without using ~
< 1330517508 957365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been having fun trying to create it, the *:*^ bit is IMO the most important bit
< 1330517514 341847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to recreate it
< 1330517528 860375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is made of magic
< 1330517534 466314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Chrome... http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/bitmap.txt "This page is in [Galician]. Would you like to translate it? [Translate] [Nope]"
< 1330517539 195112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... really don't think it is.
< 1330517546 316308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly I don't speak Galician.
< 1330517568 216425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it translate to anything intelligible?
< 1330517572 508582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1330517586 243170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Some of the "XXXXXX"s turn into "Xxxxxx"s, and some spaces disappear.
< 1330517588 205285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Galician, I mean
< 1330517591 736780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK
< 1330517625 103607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like a lot but it's readable after that
< 1330517689 142207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what are you referring to? the Xxxxxx thing, or something else?
< 1330517701 66954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xxx thing
< 1330517745 580567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The rows are students, and the columns are exercises they've answered; I was trying to check if it looks like the columns are getting sparser as they go from left to right.)
< 1330517769 940864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does kind of look like they are.)
< 1330517790 499660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's obviously an ironic take on social darwinism and its effect on post-modern agricultural education.
< 1330517799 450310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too.
< 1330517884 898688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what does oerjanswap do?
< 1330517891 611600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, exactly
< 1330517892 809678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the same thing as ~
< 1330517903 534859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an example run somewhere so i don't have to do it myself
< 1330517910 437582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki talk page
< 1330517912 195458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it
< 1330517921 351115 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanku
< 1330517934 888457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Underload#Tracing_the_.7E_replacement_code
< 1330517935 595764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThankU, the most grateful university.
< 1330517952 348060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it more useful to step through it in the online interp, though
< 1330518052 868856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh new mediawiki? When did that happen? Haven't really been paying attention
< 1330518099 328636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "coup". (Is that the right word?)
< 1330518113 472195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ehird behind it too hm
< 1330518123 139910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just hope it stays up then
< 1330518137 686460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it needs to be "illegally" or "by force" to qualify as a coup, according to WordNet.
< 1330518166 269956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've given myself and User:ais523 bureaucrat rights" <-- right, sounds like a coup
< 1330518190 870220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Graue set up a redirect from esoteric.voxelperfect.net (which he still owns) to esolangs.org (which ehird now owns)
< 1330518199 316850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1330518211 6382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's with his blessing, at least
< 1330518237 791518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just worried that it will suddenly go down. Previously ehird's server haven't been the most stable in the long term.
< 1330518237 978449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clarity in Expression 2012 campaign message again: esolangs.org is pointing at elliott's thing, he doesn't "own" the domain, which is what a reasonable person would assume you're referring to if you just say it like that.
< 1330518318 346473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so who owns the domain then?
< 1330518349 667288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALAN DIPERT is I think the accepted spelling.
< 1330518374 342488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's been no change there. Well, except maybe in the spelling.)
< 1330518378 349994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also "Clarity in Expression 2012 campaign"?
< 1330518417 650251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one such inane detail-oriented correction few days (weeks?) back under the same title.
< 1330518425 166699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1330518429 620451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything done twice is a tradition.
< 1330518435 702265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1330518458 773665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might've been in another channel, actually.
< 1330518476 996306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be Power of the Continuum inspire us to create a new esolang.
< 1330518497 902844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-23 10:27:52  Also is it a PRNG instead of a RNG? (This message sponsored by the "Exactness in Expression 2012" campaign.)
< 1330518506 339644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I misrekolibred.
< 1330518518 351930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say they changed the name.
< 1330518533 938544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a competing campaing
< 1330518540 114459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :campaign
< 1330519040 430247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the oerjanswap trace might look more readable if someone aligned the show-the-command, and maybe added the remaining program at the end, something like http://sprunge.us/XJSC even though it's quite a bit wider.
< 1330519055 922591 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i get oerjanswap
< 1330519085 51690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An oerjanswap is where aliens swap an oerjan with a fakerjan and fool us all.
< 1330519089 371315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have already happened.
< 1330519153 399130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i get that he has a pattern which puts something under the topmost thing in stack which is of the form X(pattern)Y, he then puts X under B, pushes Y, and concatenates, then running finishes the job
< 1330519175 982197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the pattern works i don't completely get yet, and i suppose that's the main idea
< 1330519182 34447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1330519188 999409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should've been X(something)Y
< 1330519219 783038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're thinking about it from the opposite end that I was
< 1330519258 946581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine is how oerjan wanted it to be solved
< 1330519279 228618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how i understood the comment
< 1330519293 717414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean you're trying to understand The Pattern first?
< 1330519446 927385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so the pattern is not very complicated
< 1330519511 65714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think we both thought "hey, it's implementing dip"
< 1330519529 881638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't think of it in terms of constructing a string to put one element under the other element
< 1330519556 407980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, using it to escape the bottom element so that you could concat the escaped top one to it safely
< 1330519564 261653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some extra stuff in between to pop out the unwanted elements
< 1330519572 124731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330519575 893414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does is it forward-creates a program which has put B, remove it, then put something. it duplicates this and removes the last "remove it then put something", and runs. now, B will be put, then removed, then something is put, then B is put again but not removed.
< 1330519589 573170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is complicated paren putting and removal by running
< 1330519595 252538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kind of obvious
< 1330519658 772024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MY WAY IS CORRECT
< 1330519685 395421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's tired for "i'm too lazy to understand what you mean".)
< 1330519754 963004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where in your interpretation the actual swapping happens
< 1330519793 867222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it constructs (a)(b)(a)(b), then gets rid of the outside ones
< 1330519812 538486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of the top one is easy, getting rid of the bottom one you do by sneaking an ! in while you're constructing it
< 1330519823 545158 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool
< 1330519833 877453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still prefer my interpretation
< 1330519938 351311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's putting arbitrary constants under stuff => being able to wrap topmost element in pretty much any piece of code => putting even B under stuff
< 1330519948 180494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome use of concatenativeness
< 1330519950 369409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's a neat one
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< 1330521005 727780 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1330521564 357835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it weird that I've been reading the wiki offline from the dumps?
< 1330521867 771819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1330521877 259813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you are the only person to ever do it,
< 1330521880 158734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D.
< 1330522454 740890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1330523158 72631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to compile Oolite, but it keeps erroring out because it doesn't have jsapi.h, in spite of jsapi.h existing.
< 1330524132 770670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1330524843 897220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe in the wrong directory?
< 1330524856 832626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but how am I meant to handle that?
< 1330524868 99202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no configure or anything; just a  makefile.
< 1330524872 747375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, check the include path used when compiling then?
< 1330524878 939215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patch it if it needs it
< 1330524893 942622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, check the place where it is included too
< 1330524921 115619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and if all else fail check if debian applied any patches to their package of it (if they have one)
< 1330524934 857950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, any relevant patches
< 1330525080 183446 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1330525311 160091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"src/Core/Debug/OODebugMonitor.m:176:4: error: �-fobjc-exceptions� is required to enable Objective-C exception syntax"
< 1330525316 59989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR CHRIST'S SAKE
< 1330525339 775066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, turn that flag on then?
< 1330525370 121930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Arch already /has/ an Oolite package.
< 1330525377 325950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An up-to-date one, at that.
< 1330525396 278511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch packages are usually pretty up-to-date
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< 1330528241 503226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander oh dear
< 1330528674 50762 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, what’s the significance of the logo in the top left corner?
< 1330528689 94755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sub-lime significance, has it not? 
< 1330528817 730804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose the pun in the welcome message has not yet "went".)
< 1330528885 396072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you search the log, you can find that it symbolizes the matrix of solidity.
< 1330528954 875376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the official answer is "it's just an image Graue chose as a placeholder, and people decided they liked it"
< 1330528973 792396 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1330528976 629849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also called the "trilime".)
< 1330528994 555395 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trime
< 1330529532 113006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's the logo of the matrix of solidity.
< 1330529641 110272 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohno, skyrim stop work
< 1330529643 491173 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1330529643 679607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1330529661 494011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1330529672 623956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if im oolite
< 1330529889 627617 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330530027 848799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1330530067 5741 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1330530076 991219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fpaste.org/rU0t/ <- is this a correct implementation of tag systems?
< 1330530081 411020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. 
< 1330530105 815633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes m-characters 
< 1330530110 222306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330530121 116137 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are production rules with more than one character allowed?
< 1330530180 781937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, the code produces the correct output for this example)
< 1330530200 560992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what mroman_ means by "misregistered"

< 1330530205 960112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nick mroman isn't even registered at all :)
< 1330530228 96312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1330530229 825945 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1330530235 874550 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not verified.
< 1330530247 480671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- mroman is not registered.
< 1330530248 716126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure?
< 1330530260 532766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman
< 1330530261 588825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to re-register it, I think
< 1330530270 739080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1330530271 316055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1330530279 6412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just
< 1330530287 400767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m
< 1330530302 430344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should think through what he's about to say before saying it :p

< 1330530322 111977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grouped it know.
< 1330530363 622950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can re-register with the same e-mail address.
< 1330530366 548470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't
< 1330530372 426861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, so mroman_ owns mroman :D
< 1330530385 207852 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330530385 519003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION im owned :(

< 1330530401 420480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you can set your account name
< 1330530402 640393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realised
< 1330530422 527081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/ns set accountname )
< 1330530430 502545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I knew that I wouldn't have had to make new accounts every time I change primary nick :p
< 1330531146 647084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1330531313 1430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a 94% chance your computer has registry problems. Fix them now and increase your PC speed!" This stupid ad banner could do with a [citation needed] for the 94%.
< 1330531511 534074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer has no registry.
< 1330531644 937136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Sounds like a registry problem to me.
< 1330531651 111501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do have both Wine on this thing.
< 1330531696 714473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both wine, yes.
< 1330531724 979551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also quite a lot of people seem to be calling the gconf thing a "registry", but no authoritative sources.
< 1330531760 130044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's officially a "configuration database" instead.
< 1330531764 148886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, bus to catch. ->
< 1330531840 135416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie needs to keep a closer eye on his buses.
< 1330531972 9422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although folds and maps are preferable in most cases I still miss the generality of the for loop from time to time. There is no good way that I know of to get the functionality of break and continue without having to define a function. So if anyone has a good solution for that, please let me know."
< 1330533534 834118 :sampero!~solinas.o@host188-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1330533565 578427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sampero
< 1330533574 823312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sampero: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1330533820 281272 :sampero!~solinas.o@host188-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :
< 1330533831 919229 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked.
< 1330533924 817464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You even made em quit, not just part, so it double-worked.
< 1330534223 198882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function The wiki really wants