< 1330992014 147654 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330992014 537447 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1330992014 723908 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330992076 830090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating, just in case. < 1330992078 188956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guesstimate it's about the same issue as https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 < 1330992119 379978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about the system ACPI AML code actually using the smbus, so it doesn't like if some other driver would make use of it. < 1330992130 831603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone's guess what it's relevant to. < 1330992307 474663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I tell which ACPI drivers are relevant to my laptop < 1330992360 157476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330992415 819319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1330992419 541739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should update my kernel? :P < 1330992422 486685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think in the general case hotplug and such would load all the necessary modules depending on what the ACPI information says. < 1330992431 666385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ uname -r < 1330992431 852806 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.0-1-amd64 < 1330992450 354401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds quite new already. < 1330992457 649069 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.6 might have some kind of bugfixes relevant to all these problems? just going out on a limb, lol < 1330992475 718739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly possible. < 1330992498 986682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can check the changelogs for "i915" changes, those are especially likely to be relevant. < 1330992504 909126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the bug you linked me to is patched in 3.2.28 < 1330992540 657347 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux-patch-debian-3.2 - Debian patches to version 3.2 of the Linux kernel < 1330992655 553561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't installed this apparently. < 1330992660 212901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only up in 3.2.9, so 3.2.28 sounds unlikely. < 1330992674 581934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330992675 319792 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6 < 1330992676 879231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1330992683 341626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it probably just has the patches, if you want to build a kernel. < 1330992703 41787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's one of the linux-image-X packages, those have Debian's patchset in. < 1330992711 895027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1330992723 129034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the newest linux kernel in Debian repos < 1330992814 539647 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is testing btw) < 1330992883 973369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my torrent is apparently not going anywhere... < 1330993074 406358 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1330993082 24252 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I was going to restart X < 1330993162 888595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah same output from xrandr -q < 1330993289 674355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm for some reason I have both i915-kms.conf and radeon-kms.conf < 1330993655 483392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm with bootparameters I can set individual video devices to KMS on or off. < 1330993776 193850 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330993885 625538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can also do the same with module options that come from whatever config files. < 1330994017 48624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'intel' X driver shouldn't really have an output named "default" no matter whether KMS is on or off, though. < 1330994064 621187 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well... it does. < 1330994075 343376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it *is* using the intel driver? < 1330994085 800456 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so < 1330994095 893697 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any other possibility? < 1330994131 997809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always vesa_drv, but if it's like it used to be, it's so slow you probably would've noticed. < 1330994151 743864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/log/Xorg.0.log should mention "intel_drv.so" if it's using it. < 1330994177 977596 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330994192 279918 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.447] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so < 1330994214 353143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1330994215 924885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.465] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so < 1330994251 175794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it probably checks those all. But you should have a pile of "intel(0)" lines too. < 1330994263 764035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 16.944] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Q45/Q43 < 1330994263 950835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 16.944] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "Q45/Q43" < 1330994263 951058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 16.944] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe < 1330994263 951166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 17.085] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section < 1330994263 951272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 17.347] (II) intel(0): Output DVI1 has no monitor section < 1330994266 296968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 17.504] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1 < 1330994268 753073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like that. < 1330994275 434607 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the Xorg log, but I recall seeing them < 1330994297 421682 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in dmesg? < 1330994306 680000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xorg log is where they should be. < 1330994332 17605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just sprunge that logfile while you're at it. < 1330994340 466889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it spruge? I can never remember. < 1330994346 103391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/cACi < 1330994350 197224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1330994359 268569 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sprunge < 1330994363 137949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as "the best thing ever" < 1330994363 398188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.767] (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 < 1330994363 585194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.768] (II) VESA(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum < 1330994364 377196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.768] (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 < 1330994369 855559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the vesa driver. < 1330994382 605544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do multiple outputs, probably. < 1330994382 953751 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because KMS is off? < 1330994393 404006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... no? < 1330994417 830736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe... though I wouldn't think KMS was mandatory yet. < 1330994439 669530 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was definitely a change when I turned off KMS for the intel driver. < 1330994443 827775 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :resolution is shit right now. < 1330994454 711119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plugging in the second monitor doesn't freeze anything < 1330994488 709325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 4917.750] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory < 1330994493 237005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's slightly suspicious. < 1330994495 704891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fb0 < 1330994502 225456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First framebuffer. < 1330994535 775019 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1330994536 872025 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1330994543 228243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's also possible to not have kernel-side framebuffer devices and X could still be using the hardware-specific drivers. < 1330994558 652173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /dev/fb* < 1330994558 921017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /dev/fb*: No such file or directory < 1330994560 891873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1330994639 458650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/dvm0 -- that's how it goes at work; it's identical up until that empty line, then it diverges. < 1330994665 442309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the /dev/dri/ things? < 1330994692 856335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/dri/card0 < 1330994720 123815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, well; that's the kernel i915 driver, most likely, and I suppose it should be enough for the X driver. < 1330994778 385180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just installed libggi-target-fbdev < 1330994782 305136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which creates fb device nodes. < 1330994827 740541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I have no idea if that changes anything. < 1330994847 138173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my general solution to things so far has been to apt-cache search things that sound relevant < 1330994850 147015 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then blindly install them < 1330994867 30485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not a good idea. < 1330994868 613693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1330994937 845183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a kernel framebuffer, udev should make a /dev/fb0 for it. But I don't have a clue whether there normally is, for Intel graphics. < 1330994942 729848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "optimal" fix of course would be to make things not hang even when KMS is enabled; that's the future-approved way of doing things.) < 1330994957 663726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming X is using the intel driver when that is on.) < 1330994969 128708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only one it can use with KMS < 1330994999 111560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMS, according to the internet, is only used by radeon, intel, and... one other thing I don't remember < 1330995003 259725 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvidia? < 1330995007 829089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1330995028 909926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, sure, but it's still possible to have Intel's DRI driver with KMS enabled, and have X just ignore that. < 1330995035 579238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1330995042 390537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And break, of course.) < 1330995050 207544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1330995059 362761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to restart with KMS on and these fbdev things installed < 1330995063 34990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..and see what happens < 1330995094 63706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not going to change anything? < 1330995142 103779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATEVER I'M DOING IT < 1330995156 855428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's worth trying. < 1330995158 679781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330995182 232581 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to all the questions with an odd vowel count the answer is yes, to all the questions with an even vowel count the answer is usefully no < 1330995290 210664 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330995290 612974 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1330995290 799433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330995334 56372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | sprunge http://sprunge.us/HghU < 1330995343 558260 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup was unusually slow. < 1330995352 172145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1330995358 826667 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :running .xsession took a long time for some reason < 1330995361 215965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then loading terminals < 1330995363 756719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in xmonad < 1330995365 618134 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that. < 1330995403 275832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1330995416 429898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's more intely, and multi-outputty. < 1330995426 306567 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaand... second monitor still freezes everything < 1330995451 500399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(LVDS1 is the internal panel.) < 1330995454 751787 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1330995493 485288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 49.050] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled < 1330995501 190096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a second box you can SSH from? I mean, is "freezes everything" just "-- graphically speaking", or does it actually affect running processes? < 1330995501 821881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know xorg was a fan of casual sporting. < 1330995504 62601 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1330995554 25553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330995558 167739 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ttys still work. < 1330995560 997645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's graphical. < 1330995605 103285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could run "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q" and "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --auto" in a tty. < 1330995632 814779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming of course that it's not X completely that hangs up, just the visual side.) < 1330995661 481352 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as I stop trying to lean back in a chair with wheels and almost falling over... < 1330995664 870550 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get right on that. < 1330995818 152529 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says LVDS1 is connected and nothing else is < 1330995819 215191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -q < 1330995821 637013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :--auto displays nothing < 1330995831 473632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The "Intel" wiki article says: "Versions 2.10 and newer of the xf86-video-intel driver no longer support UMS, making the use of KMS mandatory."." I suppose that explains why no-KMS system doesn't do the intel driver. < 1330995859 551752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if I switch to tty7 < 1330995862 888909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then unplug the VGA < 1330995869 637804 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it snaps back to whatever tty I was on before < 1330995872 306782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of weird. < 1330995896 834631 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Ubuntu download is done I could check that out < 1330995903 532044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rule out "broken monitor" < 1330995912 533862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like a software thing... < 1330995982 942180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, but of course one never knows. < 1330996016 291998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good now I need to find a sane disk burner program < 1330996050 54057 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :brasero? < 1330996055 446246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I used previously. < 1330996074 127649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be all kinds of "wavy output on external screen" woes and such with i915 + KMS + i3, but nothing directly related. Of course it's possible that some unrelated fix fixes your problems too. < 1330996133 556763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly just used wodim and growisofs, and Brasero for one audio CD project that it kept crashing on, so... < 1330996137 208348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux systems I have used "wodim" to record optical discs < 1330996217 690818 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dd? < 1330996220 355845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1330996291 451263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, dd cannot be used to record optical discs. < 1330996319 867022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with most other things, though. < 1330996358 785186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a thing dd should be able to do, but iirc cd recorders need special magic < 1330996523 336597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. I'll just use brasero. < 1330996531 571912 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much command line. < 1330996544 953499 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weakling < 1330996569 185872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude I've been reading so many man pages lately... < 1330996572 986037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling with some variants of DVDs you can maybe do it. At least growisofs's "burn an image" mode just says "executing builtin_dd", though it might do some initial magic before that. < 1330996649 633010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, wodim's so easy nowadays; just "wodim blah.iso" or "wodim blank=fast" if you need to clear a cdrw first. Back when it was just "cdrecord" it was all about -scanbus flags and figuring out "fakey" SCSI device numbers for the dev= parameter. < 1330996677 187699 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1330996680 560951 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that worked... < 1330996694 115132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man page was being quite overcomplicated with its examples. < 1330996749 726744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do so very much. < 1330996759 469621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll slep a bit. < 1330996778 335438 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :god niet < 1330996887 902615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it pick the maximum speed by default? < 1330996890 636427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be taking a while. < 1330996907 390619 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed set to 4234 KB/s < 1330997286 215312 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330997376 220964 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330997543 252651 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-016-168.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330997898 544946 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330997898 888292 :kallisti!~eris@h81.51.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1330997899 74972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330997918 736945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm, no. it does the same thing in Ubuntu < 1330997930 465661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, apparently it's a hardware issue. < 1330998757 482610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331000136 716942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-200-154.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331000152 174576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway, we've entered stage #3 of your terrible ideas, "sarcastically dismissing all objections"; roll on stage #4. < 1331000164 536069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think we could get david attenborough to narrate this? < 1331000164 722716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-56.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331000216 26973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And here the kallisti makes a foolish move, allowing the spotted swamp elliott to jump for attack..." < 1331000316 411117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all in good fun. < 1331000317 502536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1331000335 529912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a good meal, i think we say. < 1331000417 793382 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : '(cperl-highlight-variables-indiscriminately t) < 1331000422 332002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indiscriminately I say < 1331000426 388444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a bad chess, I think we say. < 1331000486 532129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or variant) < 1331000489 561589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think i gave you link discussing whether the fermat's last theorem can be proved in weak theories before < 1331000493 131782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a link < 1331000531 36664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc the answer was something like "it's ongoing research") < 1331000565 64492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess boxing, perhaps < 1331000759 666700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331000765 975273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a POPUP EMACS TOOLBAR < 1331000771 837049 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the command show-toolbar-for-one-command < 1331000926 740860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331000964 787848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1331000967 288212 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmpfs is full? < 1331000967 853270 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1331001043 781180 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331001236 761624 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331003395 774791 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331003455 5765 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331003549 309428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331003818 754043 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331004154 495060 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331004263 382084 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331004641 649369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331004801 876747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331004928 975328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1331004954 793526 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331006102 468508 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but think that Clojure looks like a neat language but the JVM is iffy < 1331006149 790246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-242.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331006156 794904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-200-154.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331006372 607959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331006389 420084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody connection < 1331006610 861470 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :AreaWP < 1331007227 239163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you have a .plan file on any accounts anywhere? < 1331007237 364008 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a matter of fact i do. < 1331007254 238816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyrell:oerjan:~> cat .plan < 1331007254 425559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :World domination through widespread nonsense and confusion. < 1331007261 855648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps. < 1331007294 4795 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyrell:oerjan:~> ls -l .plan < 1331007294 229122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 oerjan nettverk 60 1994-09-20 19:13 .plan < 1331007354 621660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all set on the confusion part, the widespread part is lagging a bit. < 1331007908 501395 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-102.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331007908 688012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331007954 639268 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-242.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331009165 149309 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-20.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331009181 899349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-102.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331009409 892014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/kidsdancinglikewhores < 1331009420 163127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331009622 619787 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331009844 610575 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if the webchat is more stable than going through nvg < 1331009889 808673 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm really sort of surprised there isn't a language called BBBBBBBBBBBBBB. < 1331009906 271156 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably mentioned this before, but it was probably years ago. < 1331009923 999122 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point, also an opportunity for the discriminating esolanger < 1331009934 302527 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. I'm going to create a new language now. < 1331010015 774489 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... I'm not coming up with any ideas. < 1331010019 488303 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a violentacrez creation. < 1331010046 497251 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Señora Violenta Crez. She's some reddit guy, isn't she? < 1331010068 36668 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not heard about eir being female, but... < 1331010081 243500 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway notorious for making notorious subreddits < 1331010081 753379 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what Sra. Crez has to do with this. < 1331010104 129727 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Violenta" is a feminine word, right? So clearly she's female. < 1331010104 330658 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to kallisti's link above < 1331010110 775305 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1331010143 125773 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your logic is impeccable and i must submit. < 1331010192 495768 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, maybe this language should be based on delay lines... < 1331010252 900265 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds most excellent. < 1331010282 920025 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, how do we discretize the wave equation? < 1331010299 832874 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, a fancy way of saying "implement delay lines in a cellular automaton". < 1331010301 909937 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331010329 864575 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :difference calculus, perhaps? < 1331010343 267666 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let . represent "off" and # represent "on"; then a signal on a delay line looks something like ....#.... < 1331010362 990426 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like whatever is the difference calculus version of sin'' = -sin < 1331010381 341643 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the .s are off, did not just change, and are not adjacent to #, so they stay off: (0,0,0) -> 0. < 1331010398 1153 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The . to the left of the # is off, did just change, and is adjacent to #, so it stays off: (0,1,1) -> 0. < 1331010416 418371 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The # is on, did just change, and is not adjacent to #, so it turns off: (1,1,0) -> 0. < 1331010427 291087 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also needs to use a finite field or maybe ring < 1331010455 355828 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the . to the right of the # is off, did not just change, and is adjacent to #, so it turns on: (0,0,1) -> 1. < 1331010501 377480 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the obvious way to do this: a cell's next state is its current state XOR (its current state XOR its previous state) XOR whether or not it's adjacent to a #. < 1331010505 336629 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a stupid way to write that. < 1331010515 956186 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cell's next state is its previous state XOR whether or not it's adjacent to a #. < 1331010538 929556 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1331010539 115368 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331010552 498342 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a myndzi shortage < 1331010563 543580 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanted to see how it looked in the webchat
< 1331010570 428069 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [S] myndzi: exist < 1331010571 221047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `S'Not in scope: `myndzi'Not in scope: `exist' < 1331010582 111301 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. I meant to say that in such a way that lambdabot doesn't hear it. < 1331010586 315248 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [S] myndzi: exist < 1331010588 401014 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better. < 1331010599 249950 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1331010607 395125 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. < 1331010847 317585 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, the delay line I just gave isn't linear, and it's non-linear in such a way that signals will not freely pass through each other. < 1331010892 7349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331011019 659014 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I have the complete language now. < 1331011115 899810 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331011434 440949 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = zipWith (scanl $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l . tail $ cycle l' in head $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331011438 166485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1331011442 164194 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the correct pronunciation of "BBBBBBBBBBBBBB" will be "Three in the Morning (RJ's I Can Barely Sleep In This Casino Remix)". < 1331011445 346057 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331011452 749620 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, it will be the song. < 1331011550 315613 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331011652 599526 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Client Quit < 1331011856 509110 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that using delay lines alone, you can construct any linear circuit... maybe. < 1331011892 568103 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331011901 724812 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An intersection acts as a XOR gate. It's a XOR gate that spits bits back down its inputs, though. < 1331012073 207866 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = scanl (zipWith $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l $ map (tail . cycle) l' in map head $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331012074 754032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,1,2,2,0,... < 1331012080 535031 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331012099 116489 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = scanl (zipWith $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l $ map (tail . cycle) l' in map (!! 1) $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331012100 747952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,1,0,3,1,... < 1331012104 948922 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = scanl (zipWith $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l $ map (tail . cycle) l' in map (!! 2) $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331012106 547084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,4,3,3,0,... < 1331012109 652632 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = scanl (zipWith $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l $ map (tail . cycle) l' in map (!! 3) $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331012111 240236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4,4,0,2,4... < 1331012127 967872 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops oh well < 1331012168 419917 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cycd b l = l' where l' = scanl (zipWith $ \x y -> (x+y) `mod` b) l $ map (tail . cycle) l' in map (!! 4) $ cycd 5 [0,1,0,-1] < 1331012169 920977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: Prelude.(!!): index too large < 1331012183 841499 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1331012244 712124 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well looks plausible < 1331012287 466507 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1331012418 45004 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not... implementing these delay line thingies in Haskell, are you? < 1331012490 838694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a good language for DSP what? < 1331012644 663352 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows. < 1331012646 622193 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case. < 1331012818 730566 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that the rule he came up with is, in fact, a discrete version of the wave equation.
< 1331012830 81678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331012851 898392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the rule < 1331012861 791315 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'm just trying to write a difference version of the wave equation < 1331012879 18077 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A cell's next state is its previous state XOR whether or not it's adjacent to an 'on' cell." < 1331012894 511300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. < 1331012904 697150 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. The wave equation says that the acceleration is proportional to the concavity. So if I want to introduce non-linearity... I should probably say that the acceleration is related, but not proportional, to the concavity. < 1331012920 4018 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an 'on' cell/an odd number of 'on' cells/--*then* it's linear. < 1331012930 388311 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an 'on' cell/at least one 'on' cell/--boom, non-linear. < 1331012958 623042 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um acceleration is _always_ proportional to concavity < 1331012977 539314 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean that both are proportional to the current value < 1331013013 643307 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i don't quite remember the equation, i'm just going by f'' = -f here < 1331013038 739116 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, f'' = -f is not the wave equation. < 1331013071 769409 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck. If time and space are the same, acceleration *is* concavity. < 1331013087 155711 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acceleration is the second derivative with respect to time; concavity, with respect to space. < 1331013107 976458 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm < 1331013146 531143 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'' = -f is a wave equation < 1331013151 748468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a 1d rule or 2d? < 1331013164 282109 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'' = -f is for just a single point in space < 1331013175 873859 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 1D space, 1D time, so that adds up to 2D. < 1331013184 645567 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what am I saying? < 1331013191 726889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331013206 278501 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule I just gave is discrete and can be applied to an arbitrary graph; dimension doesn't matter. < 1331013226 999048 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gradually goes to bed.
< 1331013238 686400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it may not be interesting in arbitrary graphs < 1331013304 96897 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> /me shows off his stupid magical ability to go unheard by bots. < 1331013313 335127 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Good night, everyone! < 1331013472 983906 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331013607 474277 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331014204 627308 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331014451 357225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331014569 459281 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-20.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331015329 751433 :Sicktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-240-165.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik < 1331017757 28478 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331017897 553720 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331017907 695631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331018795 324362 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-25.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331018819 253824 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-31.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331018925 89049 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-196.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331019134 584134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-25.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331020533 282950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331020931 944532 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331021190 180707 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331021205 198659 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331021391 560058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331022365 401283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/1/0/119210_v1.jpg I... don't think that fish is really our symbol. < 1331022435 146783 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331022534 618465 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331022559 610251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie == fishie < 1331022647 889886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I don't know what exactly it should be. Of course there's always the flag, or maybe the retarded lion. < 1331022672 676192 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the retarted lion < 1331022684 755881 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that from satw < 1331022692 190801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331022718 474806 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always go with the moomins < 1331022752 850177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://satwcomic.com/coat-of-arms < 1331022779 711842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And http://satwcomic.com/proud-finland as an extension.) < 1331022888 673650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://finland.fi/Public/default.aspx?contentid=160085&nodeid=41803&culture=en-US < 1331023356 495469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention on whether Swedes made it look retarded as a not-so-subtle dig. < 1331025185 535517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mistake to think that if something isn't constantly changing then it's somehow obsolete. Some things just work, and don't need to change for the sheer sake of change. < 1331025290 566692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is basically what's happening to the technology market. < 1331026179 481810 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-240-182.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331026860 128855 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-203-254.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331027757 230081 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand what causes midnight sun and that stuff. I know the tropics; and there are also polar circles but I do not understand them as much as the tropics. But what I know is Placidus houses are not defined in polar regions, and Campanus houses can sometimes be reversed in polar regions, and the azimuth of Sun will be to the north. < 1331027778 971022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I see nothing about the relation of those things in Wikipedia < 1331028017 439148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331028173 261991 :itidus20!~itidus@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331028975 286843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331029154 746972 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331029266 58091 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331029476 702750 :itidus20!~itidus@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331029553 729834 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331029696 517929 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331029714 481590 :itidus20!~itidus@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331030167 980020 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 QUIT :Quit: Later < 1331030908 610640 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db437cb.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331031064 3705 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-203-254.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331031087 700012 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6721.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331031132 226940 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-203-254.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331032211 116550 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-203-254.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331032253 27410 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-195.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331033278 819168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331034034 347414 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331035895 627112 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331036482 765110 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331036656 335418 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331037174 877800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331037223 313393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331039453 54265 :BIOCreator!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331039610 48226 :BIOCreator!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander#The_point_of_Basic_Input.2FOutput_Commander.3F < 1331039828 30099 :BIOCreator!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT : < 1331040088 864686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a strange person. < 1331040755 185337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1331040871 761529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that was mostly meant for elliott, I guess? < 1331040896 11188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E's the one that's been... interacting. < 1331041209 456139 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331041243 222791 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331042002 864936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1331042280 403368 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331042286 426219 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.3 QUIT :Changing host < 1331042286 613003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331042288 505431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you convert text to character numbers? < 1331042288 692572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an advanced algorithm, but you can find an easy converter here (Convert ASCII text into Decimal/Unicode, not Padded, use "" as a delimeter left and " " as a delimeter right) < 1331042309 60439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331042335 56542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a degree to understand it, that's how advanced it is. < 1331042367 111005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord This is an advanced algorithm. < 1331042367 413564 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 104 105 115 32 105 115 32 97 110 32 97 100 118 97 110 99 101 100 32 97 108 103 111 114 105 116 104 109 46 < 1331042407 658593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a master. < 1331042424 78223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, "scenarii" is in no way a valid plural of "scenario", right? < 1331042467 313348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1331042494 281625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't trust Vorpal's opinions on English.
< 1331042511 809847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331042515 558588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1331042525 63115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the spell checker doesn't like "scenarii" and it does like "scenario", good enough for me < 1331042526 269913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331042530 580718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you trust Wiktionary's? Because they comment on it specifically. "scenarii: From scenario, the terminal o having been replaced with an i to form its plural, as per the Italian -o → -i pattern for forming plurals, by analogy with concerti and virtuosi. However, the plural of the Italian word scenario is scenari, making “scenarii” etymologically inconsistent. (nonstandard, rare) Plural form of scenario." < 1331042565 461508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, so they didn't coin it just for this email? < 1331042573 90103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll resist the urge to yell at them, then. < 1331042584 969976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For examples of the usage of this term see the citations page. < 1331042621 700833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a total of three (3) examples. < 1331042637 580912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two book excerpts and a conference paper. < 1331042657 992015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could imagine a scientimancer use it, they like to be all ERDRUIDITE like that. < 1331042688 697038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The name of the author sounds Italian.) < 1331042744 111877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the books are textbooks too.) < 1331042784 914345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handbook of The History Of Logic: Volume 7: Logic and the Modalities in the Twentieth Century: "Possible worlds are a special kind of scenarii, namely scenarii held possible by what R. Parikh calls “the community theory” or “our theory”…" < 1331042789 463298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy, eh? < 1331042806 954195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1331043099 872544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:08:24: ais523, I seen backtracking implemented with call/cc in a very elegant way, not sure what other abstraction in scheme would be suitable. Sure you could add new ones but will you need multiple ones or will whatever replaces call/cc be as flexible? < 1331043111 132733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg wants to replace call/cc with delimited continuations, which is exactly what you want for logic programming. < 1331043169 454141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331043464 105419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading this question on SO is the most unpleasant thing I've done today. < 1331043555 656389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what question is that? < 1331043587 659770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I refuse to link anyone else to it. < 1331043597 243798 :itidus20!~itidus@120.148.51.249 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1331043604 747640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331043611 610327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, must be really bad then < 1331043618 939445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you don't even want to destroy my day < 1331043632 988911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, believe me I do. < 1331043642 538209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everyone else would click on it as well. < 1331043643 454104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then why on earth? < 1331043646 974893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1331043754 630082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the shittiest CAT 5e cable I have seen. You can see and feel the internal wires through the outer "shell" in several places, and in other places there seem to be too much room internally. < 1331043795 488355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually CAT 5e cables are nice and round all the way, not so with this one < 1331043823 551079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember not to use it for hi-fi applications, then. < 1331043844 771721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1331043876 713066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take a picture of this next to a good one < 1331043930 344839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now as for cables for *real men*, try something like http://www.locus-design.com/index.php/cynosure-usb-cable -- $3549 for a 3 feet (a bit less than a metre) USB cable. < 1331043951 864479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the ghost of that guy in them? < 1331043956 419022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got wrappings made out of "carbon fiber, cotton, SPC braid, ERS fabric, Nylon, Teflon, and many more [materials]". < 1331043977 707146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"allow the "sould" of the original Cynosure to stay intact" < 1331043981 418069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god its sould is intact. < 1331043993 255062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's I think some sort of a combination of 'sound' and 'soul'. < 1331044032 451690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a joke < 1331044071 375273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "for some odd reason" it doesn't improve your "sould", you can return it, after paying just a 20% restocking fee + delivery charges, as long as it still looks new enough so that it can be sold to some other sucker^Wcustomer. < 1331044108 867718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For those who demand the very best, and have the means to acquire it." < 1331044113 967043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For RICH idiots!" < 1331044126 722175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a vendor partner who I have have taught (and wasted more money than I want to think about teaching them) to make my wire exactly like I want it made, and exactly to my specs, which I then treat with my CryoFreeze™ process as soon as I receive it. So, the raw materials are without peer." < 1331044128 428749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the outer shell of this CAT 5e cable is actually twisted by the internal twisting somehow < 1331044140 96945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect they didn't get the tension of the internal cables correct < 1331044173 436024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do not think this person knows the meaning of the word "waste". For several reasons. < 1331044245 618594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, if you're such a cheap guy, you can buy their entry-level product; the "Essentia". It's somewhere between the Axis and the Nucleus 2 in the lineup, "offering a "taste" of the Nucleus v2, while remaining affordably priced at under $1000 for up to a 3FT length." < 1331044283 803750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WARNING: These converters are for entertainment purposes only. Do not use results in critical applications." < 1331044289 437657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the "newest custom manufactured CFDCT-UP-OCC-SPCu wire". You know, that "mono-crystal silver plated copper" one. < 1331044295 248967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- the converter linked in that "This is an advanced algorithm, but you can find an easy converter here (Convert ASCII text into Decimal/Unicode, not Padded, use "" as a delimeter left and " " as a delimeter right)" thing. < 1331044331 544385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These cheap lunches were the genesis of a deep connection over food that would burgeon over the years and define a major aspect of our association." < 1331044355 351623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I subsequently dared him to order a durian boba drink, which is a sort of Vietnamese frozen drink that is flavored with the most foul, malodorous, bizarre-tasting fruit that can be imagined. I knew Lee’s honor was at stake, and he knew it too; he struggled valiantly to finish the whole thing as I taunted him." < 1331044388 371134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this about converters or cables or some completely new topic? < 1331044440 507795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for something completely different < 1331044446 887469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it's describing the subcontractor negotiations of the cable guy. < 1331044461 866782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1331044463 257390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite* < 1331044468 171950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.locus-design.com/index.php/peacebrigoodbye-leei < 1331044492 847694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I kind of guessed it was from Locus Design. < 1331044501 283971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading that as "Locust Design". < 1331044502 763076 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1331044512 865686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lee seemed exceptionally fatigued and in a rather black mood, and he left to get a bucket of ice. When he returned, he promptly dumped about half of its contents onto the carpeted floor at the foot of his bed. I was taken aback by the deliberateness of this inexplicable act, but chose to assume that it was an accident, so I bent down to pick up the cubes and begin putting them back in the bucket. “Leave them there!” he growled at me, dumpin < 1331044513 52922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I had put back, then scattering them around the floor haphazardly with his bare foot. “I wanted them there!”" < 1331044564 268227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is that how the CryoFreeze™ process was invented? < 1331044572 143588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331044676 224319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/cablecooker.htm < 1331044706 61399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Extended Frequency Sweep (EFS) improves on every sonic parameter, < 1331044706 248347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating into more transparency and dimensionality, a deeper/wider soundstage, < 1331044709 536458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deeper / tighter bass information." < 1331044730 32584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you "cooked your cables", if you know what I mean? < 1331044752 237960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.locus-design.com/index.php/raven-power-cable <-- broken website < 1331044827 724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cable is always cooked, baby. < 1331044840 418274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fortunately there's a description of it also on the Whiplash site. < 1331044859 87106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331044863 891074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone keeps cryogenically treating their cables. < 1331044871 265958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Close attention is paid to mitigating mechanical noise and triboelectric effects." <-- is "triboelectric" even a real word? < 1331044882 702933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, apparently. < 1331044887 118100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems so < 1331044906 112987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the thing where you rub things. < 1331044913 229337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1331044915 992958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that sounds a bit dirty too. < 1331044923 187822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure how that is related to USB cables < 1331044925 260261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know the demonstration. Stick things to wall and all that. < 1331044947 100167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cable is also stuck to the wall. < 1331045010 81822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While this power cable could be considered "affordable" in the grand scheme of things, we urge you not to judge it according to how much it costs. We invite you to compare this cable to your current favorite, and prepare to be pleasantly surprised!" < 1331045014 88979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they actually put in those cables? Probably some cheap metal to maximise the profit margin. < 1331045022 108272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since anything more would be pointless < 1331045035 318841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I never buy anything "affordable". < 1331045091 993456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI they buy regular cables that do whatever it is they want and then jazz them up. Probably whatever is easiest to get; I mean, it doesn't really matter whether the underlying cable costs $1.00 or $1.50 when you sell it for $400. < 1331045107 482849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I should start a company selling overpriced resistors claiming that their margins are absurdly good or something. So people can replace the shoddy stock resistors in their hi-fi equipment! < 1331045121 414567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warranty may be voided by that) < 1331045162 179117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "AIUI"? < 1331045167 170867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it. < 1331045169 701415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331045252 367295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'd like someone to go talk with their power company about replacing the miles of presumably really horrible power cables that are between their house and the power plant with some Raven cable goodness. < 1331045263 503852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anus In Ugly Ink < 1331045282 605506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1331045311 143214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I suggest silver power cables. Why? Because silver conducts electricity better than copper < 1331045337 949614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, don't they use aluminium even for outdoor cables? < 1331045369 353775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1331045474 568062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331045561 69872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "CDA-101" in "12 AWG CDA-101 high purity CF-DCT-OFC conductors" means 99.99% pure copper. I'm not sure if "CF-DCT-OFC" means anything, all Google hits on it seem to be about these cables. < 1331045664 862072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they do use silver too. < 1331045678 983994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is an entirely new design, utilizing my custom manufactured CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag wire. This mono-crystal silver wire is drawn from specially sourced bar stock --" < 1331046138 551632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8530 SCARREY. < 1331046228 525951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We await your FULL co-operation." < 1331046248 82462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331046248 493058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not implying anything about this particular case, however we do not preemptively null route unless requested to by the IP address assignee, or until there is an attack which is service affecting. < 1331046248 680024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Chris < 1331046249 15773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331046254 532184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not implying anything, but [IMPLIES ANYTHING]" < 1331046373 761958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what does Anonymous@Afghanistan have against "cheapo VPS" listing site is what I'd like to know. < 1331046393 698627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose lowendbox have WRONGED them. < 1331046428 137150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They're fans of the finer things in life. Like Locus cables. < 1331046484 247270 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so I discovered the emacs-style keybinding helper in XMonad.Util.EZConfig < 1331046504 762732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this basically means that my keybind config has ceased being straightforward. < 1331046518 419681 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well cease such in the near future. < 1331046526 227319 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will < 1331046543 927909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs < 1331046544 114873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 /home/elliott/.xmonad/xmonad.hs < 1331046599 767997 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cloc .xmonad/xmonad.hs | sprunge < 1331046600 759643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/CBWP < 1331046627 508347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloc? noob < 1331046630 308267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sloccount 4 eva < 1331046633 818542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331046639 141371 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAH OKAY MISTER WC < 1331046671 987075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331046672 350852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment markers within strings or here-documents are treated as actual comment markers and not string literals. For example the following lines of C code < 1331046672 540015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf(" /* "); < 1331046672 540251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { < 1331046672 540356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a += i; < 1331046673 911323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1331046675 867854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf(" */ "); < 1331046677 923821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :appear to cloc as two lines of C code (the lines with black text) and three lines of comments (the lines which have only red text--lines with both black and red text are treated as code). < 1331046680 881657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331046682 641197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloc is the worst. Even if sloccount does that too, I'm not sure. < 1331046686 219905 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....gross < 1331046699 146228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people on #xmonad have 1000+ line configs. < 1331046708 162493 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, mine is still very very minimal < 1331046753 883873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is "laptop stuff" < 1331046765 251692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure out how to lock my touchpad, in particular < 1331046821 85040 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I also have M-s (or M-s M-) set to swap the current workspace with the given workspace number. < 1331046824 297459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very handy. < 1331046881 525681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gads, just about *everyone* keeps writing it "Linnode". < 1331046910 543391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, of course, epic screenshot code. < 1331046920 831066 :AreaWP!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331046928 367609 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is keybindings. < 1331046936 949657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: More like BITnodeLOSSAGE. < 1331046939 574955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COIN. < 1331046953 384330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coinnode. < 1331046954 650468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitnode Lossagecoin: the best cyberpunk protagonist? < 1331046973 741868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm Bitnode Lossagecoin, but you can call me BitCoin (my `HANDLE') for short." < 1331047052 906103 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some people use tabbed layouts. which makes me wonder what they get out of a tiling window manager in the first place. < 1331047077 215564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice customization, I guess? < 1331047126 578097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Real handles are things like "Crash Override". < 1331047127 6942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? There are plenty of tiling WMs with tabbing. < 1331047131 595664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PWM and ion come to mind. < 1331047153 559614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think PWM and ion started the tiling WM renaissance. < 1331047158 213415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe I don't understand the functionality. < 1331047187 767569 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it as being a way to cycle through a bunch of maximized windows with a graphical indicator of each. < 1331047200 242701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is a lot like the way many people use a stacking window manager. < 1331047201 793751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... You know browser tabs? < 1331047206 629516 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1331047208 848825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I imagine it as. < 1331047218 383338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you get one set of tabs per tiled pane. < 1331047222 412024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in ion.) < 1331047246 719572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, with ion the tiling layout doesn't change automatically; dwm started that.) < 1331047307 114581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I could probably find tabbed layouts useful for a few things < 1331047313 921998 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM comes to mind. < 1331047330 140777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only bearable IM clients have tabbing. < 1331047337 471602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say "s", it's actually just Pidgin.) < 1331047622 875681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ehow.com/how_2106418_build-space-ship.html < 1331047715 952131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I need to figure out how to lock my touchpad, in particular <-- I use synaptics to do that < 1331047729 536402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use the trackpoint without having the touchpad active < 1331047993 870107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice how to < 1331048558 54376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful.. everything that gets built by companies gets patented < 1331048571 738089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1331048581 418844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in OS interfaces < 1331048591 309323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :application interfaces < 1331048594 433823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reply to what? < 1331048604 962472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas about tiling layouts < 1331048629 508850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if you guys set prior art by discussing it thouhg < 1331048644 212230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. does prior art even matter any more? < 1331048657 416679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1331048666 712228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you ought to talk to elliott, I don't have time for this < 1331048696 490552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pretend that the most important topic of GUIs today is not patents.. but it is < 1331048750 871023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /dev/null would work just as well. < 1331048768 617487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, there are no software patents where I live so < 1331048781 844442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yet at least) < 1331049011 179240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Many patents are taken out only to prevent other companies from taking out patents on the same thing and using them in a hostile manner against the original company. < 1331049058 343743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i killed a PSU today.. i'm a 'tard < 1331049066 331037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he changes the topic! < 1331049083 158343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. ill try to reply properly < 1331049134 287398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing that, which i didn't know, should help me when the next patent web article makes my blood pressure rise < 1331049183 292929 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a more cynical view of companies that they are all as hostile as possible within their constraints < 1331049204 311001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i see hole in my logic < 1331049271 474391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a difference between being hostile and spending a bunch of money litigating against smaller companies without enough money to pay them. < 1331049418 158854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't imagine any business without conjuring visions of demons and devils and battlefield infantry and bullies criminals and grinches < 1331049431 464737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1331049459 588019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being a therapist, I will decline to comment on the matter. < 1331049599 509643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had to explain my mind among esoteric programmers i would say it is like a cellular automata which was charged with calculating 2+2 but due to some random interference it ended up being a methuselah of great complexity < 1331049633 6296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on your definition of complexity. < 1331049691 211306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. humm.. theres a word i need to look up for that < 1331049744 816704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically anything which isn't still life or oscillators < 1331049797 142601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something about a CA defying a static pattern which seems complex to me < 1331049889 174040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose percieved randomness to me is complexity < 1331050019 421778 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i am just reciting the ideas i got after i was directed to koglomerov complexity < 1331050033 887767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or kolgomerov) < 1331050054 708621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kolgomorov. < 1331050061 677580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kolmogorov < 1331050064 564786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*K < 1331050098 60158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koolkukumber. < 1331050098 919443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:21: Taneb: Whether it is TC or not is a philosophical question, but adding "meta" doesn't make it suddenly make sense. < 1331050099 106765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:33: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Meta_Turing-complete < 1331050104 339105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:47:18: What the bleh < 1331050104 527128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48:39: elliott innit here < 1331050113 438280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Friendship "Meta Turing-complete" is just some badly-defined bullshit TehZ made up. < 1331050113 626879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331050130 654582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Friendship It can be made to make sense, but it's essentially a trivial concept when you do. < 1331050130 980502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331050187 694711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Friendship It's not really related to ℒ, though. < 1331050187 883512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331050188 215294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't accept who i really am.. i need delusions of grandeur because they give me hope < 1331050382 680712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the guy who likes brainfuck because it has an anarchistic name for a programming language.. and it has a novelty of only 8 instructions. but the actual mathematical interests of it are for the best part completely lost on me. < 1331050438 864698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i were to accept that then i would have to admit that i never understand anything on topic in here < 1331050657 970451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amusing to me i am supposed to be an indie game devver on freenode but i am running windows xp, and my next chance to upgrade my graphics card is on my birthday when my relatives give me a few $ and hope noone comes to me saying "this is what you should do with ur money" < 1331050677 695708 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why i need my delusions :D < 1331050714 545210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running Windows XP means you can't be an indie game developer, did you know? < 1331050726 453310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not actually true, but being unable to develop games does. < 1331050768 399664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i am on freenode and i have a slew of reasons for dodging linux < 1331050858 158569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you think itidus21 knows that most indie game developers run Windows? < 1331050875 298356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is windows is easier for some value of easier..and i have all the apps i want already.. another lesser reason is my brother tends to take care of my hardware and networking and don't wanna alienate him < 1331050880 558260 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to try to get inside the mind of itidus21. < 1331050913 243192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of offering insight into my mind .. sort of.. < 1331050944 553722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose its like since my brother supplies my internet i am sort of following an organizational policy in the house < 1331051015 326643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have to rant about something i thought i may as well meta-rant (new word just now) < 1331051071 165256 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all this sets the backdrop upon which i leap from chatroom to chatroom ranting < 1331051131 688428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like a courteous dog who distributes his business equally within a radius of his neighbours < 1331051154 216218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many channels are you in? < 1331051170 85654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently 4 + a non-irc < 1331051192 202609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You babble *five* times more than this in whole? < 1331051286 213382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got myself kicked out of #xna on efnet because i kept reacting every time this guy would post an off-topic link < 1331051375 261905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: if you were really good you could get a room named after your company < 1331051375 639709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: for example.. if houses started getting built with an ebay roo < 1331051375 826422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ^room < 1331051385 62441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i would love it if every home had a room named after me.. filled with things bought fromme < 1331051407 70268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wasnt in irc but that was a rant from anoter chatroom < 1331051636 5431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, you're even more incoherent elsewhere. < 1331051678 151613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am most incoherent when taking notes of my ideas < 1331051683 705316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1331051780 379240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :illustrated thus http://pastebin.com/LV8XGM96 < 1331051817 533576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that we don't want an illustration. < 1331051823 615837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331051900 978470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when writing to myself, i eventually realized i need a (human) editor.. because the task of editing proves more difficult a technical task than producing text < 1331051906 763128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331051936 815120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1331051939 891367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say something interesting < 1331052019 308741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my ideas can be interesting.. they just need decoding.. < 1331052048 521583 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the random text file i linked however.. i admit. thats not interesting < 1331052278 425599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that anything has nostalgic value for someone who used it in the past. Emphasis on nostalgic products is lazy. It is as if resigning themselves to the fact they can't create any new exciting experiences for the audience. < 1331052340 976971 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe life just gets more boring with age as one starts to be surrounded by patterns and routines. < 1331052367 986686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore it is not possible to entertain adults without nostalgia. < 1331052381 210944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a very depressing outlook. < 1331052420 688673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as depressing as my outlook for this discussion < 1331052663 61635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you should try being an optimist at some point. It is good for you. < 1331052743 955181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so I'm told) < 1331052767 452975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RandomRedirect i wonder why this exists < 1331052903 434258 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a bit of a vicious cycle from being weak and/or vulnerable.. it may be a reflection of the way the rich get richer.. < 1331052934 278570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever state one is in, it tends to amplify as life goes on < 1331052942 867997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so fight against it! < 1331053050 901724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Please don't encourage itidus21 to think that IRC is a viable platform for life advice unless you want him to solicit it from IRC in the future. < 1331053061 64675 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331053096 370848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not joking. < 1331053110 368145 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iactus is a stupid game < 1331053338 749830 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried googling. what is Iactus? < 1331053381 893923 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a game played by Romans < 1331053383 835884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has dice < 1331053424 505256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Godwin&diff=prev&oldid=462494382 wmf legal what are you doing < 1331053491 826975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaa < 1331053723 291980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATuring_tarpit&diff=81723221&oldid=80301027 < 1331053769 751748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap I can see. < 1331053779 786614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got glasses (and contacts)
< 1331053792 938658 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fix my very mild-nearsightedness / astigmatism < 1331053799 601814 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MAYBE I WON'T MISREAD SHIT ALL THE TIME ON IRC < 1331053800 670856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSS < 1331053813 189754 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my main concern, you see. < 1331053818 974347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you will realize tidus is not to be taken seriously now.... < 1331053832 965464 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. ever. < 1331053838 371366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is /serious/ < 1331053840 486197 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :/business/ < 1331053880 112615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I have a challenge for you. < 1331053882 958675 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop using Windows. < 1331053931 919323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i ever move out i'll consider a linux partition < 1331054042 886814 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you frame life decisions on your current residence? < 1331054049 882357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be inconvenient on a shared computer. < 1331054055 470576 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have to reboot between two OSes < 1331054064 426369 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nevermind. < 1331054089 736851 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run Windows in virtualbox fullscreen. they'll never know the difference. < 1331054091 935460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not shared.. its just uhh... < 1331054132 290412 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicted < 1331054135 688224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines Windows + VM layer + inevitable accumulation of viruses = uuuuuuuuuuugh
< 1331054138 676823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: k < 1331054165 178263 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, not really a reason. got it. < 1331054201 918302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO inevitable < 1331054213 768968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dependent on user of course. < 1331054219 620358 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had viruses when I ran Windows. < 1331054221 298386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bit like when a company has everyone in the office running the same OS < 1331054251 140107 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not exactly the same but < 1331054261 52156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your family is Windows zealots? :P < 1331054270 29883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you survive? < 1331054382 750615 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "I never had viruses" is a bit subjective. I never had viruses that became a visible problem. < 1331054390 193452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be completely honest i think i stand to gain more as a windows user than the free software community stands to gain from my supporting it < 1331054399 623328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy have I had viruses < 1331054417 871509 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well.. so what? I have jackshit to give to the free software community < 1331054427 548545 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, I guess, some free software. if they want it. < 1331054435 292696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one wants my software. < 1331054450 513668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you use a free OS for? >:) < 1331054465 954610 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing people use Windows for, except it's better. < 1331054512 203386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably better for the user who is prepared to go the extra yard in understanding their OS < 1331054522 319586 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't use linux necessarily because they want to contribute to open source software. < 1331054548 514751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331054550 586388 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I do. it's just... like, it's an OS, man. you use it for things completely unrelated to OSS. < 1331054557 437964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331054569 2579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sometimes when using an app i regret not having spent an entire day studying it's GUI. < 1331054571 913494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331054578 685658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it would be a dry study but it would pay off < 1331054594 81190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: shell. man pages. good stuff. < 1331054618 19930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : like sometimes when using an app i regret not having spent an entire day studying it's GUI. <-- *blink* < 1331054671 45439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i think if you just set aside an entire working day to study the GUI of an app... you would gain immensely in your efficiency using the app subsequently < 1331054671 399130 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's quite exhausting going from a tty to a everyday-usable linux system without a desktop environment. I had a bit of "configure overload" for a few days. < 1331054686 398821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, eh, you learn as you go with most GUIS < 1331054688 205708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUIs* < 1331054696 471477 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you use a DE (and especially if you use a distro like Ubuntu which handles a lot of things for you automatically), you don't have to worry about any of that. < 1331054710 580043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but learn as you go isn't necessarily the best way to go < 1331054724 136204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I don't use much GUI, mostly console. Only GUI programs I use majorly are gimp, inkscape, firefox, and lyx I think. < 1331054733 635410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most other stuff I don't use much < 1331054773 303101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and games, but for games every game has an unique GUI anyway, plus they tend to be simple to learn < 1331054776 347113 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox does have a very small set of menus.. but then it has reams of settings not contained in any windows form < 1331054791 88324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about:config yes < 1331054800 663192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason 90% of Firefox's settings are hidden is that you're not meant to tweak them. < 1331054802 210556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :been in there many times < 1331054807 446787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly after a new release < 1331054843 468526 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't want to be the guy who would have to write a set of forms to access all those firefox settings < 1331054849 996983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not saying every change is for the worst, but with every major release there used to be one or two changes that annoyed me to hell) < 1331054874 350427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the modern release scheme, who knows) < 1331054879 628328 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :configuring X, configuring xmonad, configuring mpd, configuring irssi, configuring my terminal, installing firefox manually (because fuck iceweasel), getting my wireless firmware to work, getting flash to work (64-bit flash player is apparently busted so I'm using 32-bit firefox with 32-bit flash), getting fonts to render well on my screen (thanks elliott) < 1331054891 466354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that stage it seems a config doesn't need a gui. < 1331054903 743888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... still need to fix my ACPI driver issue, and possibly some display driver issues (though I think my second monitor is just broken) < 1331054926 23380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you are correct! < 1331054927 80125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, nothing with with about:config, it is searchable < 1331054937 850029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, laptop or desktop? < 1331054953 389760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably laptop due to ACPI < 1331054987 351430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, for linux laptops I can only recommend one brand, in fact one model lineup even. Thinkpad. < 1331055001 650801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: laptop < 1331055019 779939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes I'll go replace my $600 Dell Inspiron 15 with a Thinkpad right away! < 1331055027 915566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, go go go! < 1331055032 191946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"installing firefox manually (because fuck iceweasel)" < 1331055035 172468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: this is a bad idea, btw. < 1331055038 158768 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go on < 1331055044 492204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nice on windows < 1331055056 349968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the flash player wouldn't be busted if you used the packagse < 1331055058 962340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*packages < 1331055059 148982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it installs itself more or les < 1331055074 716309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, that is one cheap laptop btw < 1331055075 653639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: have you ever tried to install windows? < 1331055088 455241 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I bought it refurbished. < 1331055118 970674 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized how weird "refurbished" is < 1331055129 134088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really.. i've left it to my brother... < 1331055133 737323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, mhm, my laptop (bought it new) cost about 11000 SEK, 1618 USD (in current conversion) < 1331055136 130271 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like something `words would come up with. < 1331055140 287742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good laptop though < 1331055164 486106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: So, by "it installs itself more or less", you mean "I don't realise that Ubuntu's installation has like 5 fewer steps than Windows and completes about five times as fast, but I'm going to bullshit anyway"? < 1331055176 518020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant firefox not windows :D < 1331055199 391307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have been more specific though < 1331055204 598130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, ubuntu's install is trivial, apart from partitioning which is annoying (due to being overly dumbed down) < 1331055210 43355 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt packages install themselves more-or-less-er than Windows installation EXEs. < 1331055230 343578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love my firefox < 1331055238 966399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: s/annoying (due to being overly dumbed down)/trivial for everyone but Vorpal (due to being simplified)/ < 1331055250 721692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tried to help someone install the newest ubuntu recently, he /needed/ RAID 1. Wasn't available from the normal installer. < 1331055254 996504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pleased with Debian's installed options < 1331055257 553098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You mean as opposed to most Linux distrobutions, which include Firefox out of the box? < 1331055260 165230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*distrbutions < 1331055261 732604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asodjiasid < 1331055276 547234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me a lot of control over how I wanted encryption to work specifically. < 1331055307 317009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not saying there shouldn't be a simple version. I'm saying there should be a button in one corner saying "give me sodding fdisk in a shell, because I know what I'm doing" kind of thing < 1331055317 426331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or parted) < 1331055330 927197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably not interested in the small details which kallisti wanted to configure.. i cant imagine what they are < 1331055340 108108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: luckily there's also a guided mode < 1331055342 937211 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does everything for you. < 1331055349 587377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't have a second OS you want to keep around. < 1331055369 537759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That option is called starting a shell and running fdisk. < 1331055377 437674 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i mean vorpal im losing track < 1331055399 411341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, which is not available if you didn't select to boot the live environment, but rather to just install. < 1331055399 598167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, can we stop trying to convince itidus21 to do something? He's stubborn enough when he's just spouting crap. < 1331055407 718687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides the live cd lacks mdadm < 1331055410 827700 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used twofish instead of AES. good or bad? < 1331055416 959599 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know very much about encryption algos. < 1331055433 355975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, you're complaining that you selected a simpler option, and thus couldn't execute the complex configuration you wanted? < 1331055457 820940 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i actually started mailing my australian health care card forms to avoid lectures about getting a job when taking in the form < 1331055461 109972 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a perusal of their WP pages suggests that twofish has fewer potential (and practical) attacks < 1331055476 991696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm complaining it didn't tell me that it didn't say that it would be limited < 1331055479 201784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are known, anyway < 1331055481 899976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Thank you for the information. I did not ask. < 1331055490 582388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, according to cryptsetup I use aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 < 1331055492 759111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it backs up your point im very stubborn < 1331055494 713057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Partitioning is the first or second step; quit whining. < 1331055494 900454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop < 1331055499 271475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Stupid. < 1331055511 549574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that computer was slow, so it took ages to reboot it. < 1331055518 781713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm talking about a P4 here) < 1331055520 329246 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so twofish is more broken than AES? < 1331055522 316394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would rather invent a political philosophy where noone works than admit i need a job < 1331055534 626157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with an ATI Rage video card! Wow) < 1331055553 654453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Comparing the two is dishonest: people use AES, barely anyone uses Twofish. < 1331055564 572238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bbl < 1331055564 980949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wouldn't that be a good thing? < 1331055570 119814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the two were equal, we'd expect AES to be much more broken. < 1331055575 41759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see. < 1331055579 551849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: That's called security by security. < 1331055580 374769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331055581 232571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obscurity. < 1331055582 410677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck words. < 1331055594 832156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AES: "All known attacks are computationally infeasible. For AES-128, the key can be recovered with a computational complexity of 2126.1 using bicliques. For biclique attacks on AES-192 and AES-256, the computational complexities of 2189.7 and 2254.4 respectively apply. Related-key attacks can break AES-192 and AES-256 with complexities 2176 and 299.5, respectively." < 1331055597 187830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twofish: "Truncated differential cryptanalysis requiring roughly 251 chosen plaintexts.[1] Impossible differential attack that breaks 6 rounds out of 16 of the 256-bit key version using 2256 steps.[2]" < 1331055597 374727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bad in that fewer attacks could be uncovered. < 1331055615 731511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What? < 1331055617 284014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people tell me to get a job i argue that their taxes pay for militaries who ultimately kill in their line of work which means they are indirectly killing more people than me ^_^; < 1331055638 588017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er, I mean. what you were saying is that it doesn't make sense to compare them because less attempts to break twofish have been made than the more widely used AES. < 1331055657 503021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes (or rather people won't be trying as hard). < 1331055668 434588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should pick the most popular thing that isn't broken. < 1331055668 984159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the person is intimidating.. then i probably won't argue that < 1331055708 553895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that a society that exists to produce work and workers is doomed to the inherent suffering of work < 1331055725 167484 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :freelance. programming. < 1331055733 539249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require itidus21 to be able to program < 1331055740 395298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also handle business stuff. < 1331055745 3660 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably even more important. < 1331055783 469992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ended up doing nothing... < 1331055791 464754 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to produce the least hiccups < 1331055799 207076 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also requires you to be self-disciplined and make yourself work when no one is telling you to. (something I'm failing at right now!) < 1331055809 84879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go and work so you stop propagating this. < 1331055820 419329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's spring break. ;_; < 1331055832 268420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be drunk right now. at 12:43 < 1331055849 855973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in like, Florida, or something. whatever people stereotypically do on their spring breaks. < 1331055866 366236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a philosophical level i wonder if i am trapped by my family, or trapped by myself < 1331055872 904189 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1331055898 423898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly yourself, because you've let these things become influences. < 1331055904 251000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to a degree you can't completely control what influences you. < 1331055930 615655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: This is not productive. < 1331055936 411545 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IT TOTALLY IS < 1331055948 453665 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1331055952 266199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing this job in Haskell. < 1331055958 792555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, it will be enjoyable. < 1331055968 713732 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck am I doing here? < 1331055985 349616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?uselang=qqx < 1331055990 376686 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is why a lot of philosophy ends up chewing the question of fate/destiny/karma/free will/free won't/determinism/non-determinism/soft-determiism/certainty/chance/inevitability < 1331055994 180659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other benefits of freelancing: on some projects, you get to choose your language of choice) < 1331056009 366404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: as far as I can tell it's basically an unsolved problem. < 1331056018 369672 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think "free will" is ill-defined < 1331056024 335185 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there < 1331056034 410524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone talks about it < 1331056069 907058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: This is still not productive. < 1331056079 995879 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took an intro to philosophy class, so I'm like totally an expert, man. < 1331056083 17290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres the psychic industry set up around it < 1331056109 120975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self-fulfilling prophecies explored in macbeth < 1331056131 609465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and religious prophecies < 1331056161 951237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however.. < 1331056191 605441 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that even though you're obviously not in perfect control of your circumstances or even your own behaviors, it doesn't make you totally unable to do anything about it. Some people trap themselves in this idea that they have no control. < 1331056204 444523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't give you the advice that my advice is bad advice because it's a paradox < 1331056221 821719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wonder to what degree that's inevitable. still, it's better to try than to not try, because, since we don't know the answer to that question, you may end up succeeding. < 1331056222 471283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing for me to do would be to just cease giving advice < 1331056230 272357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you'll never succeed if you just stay trapped. < 1331056284 645687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Please stop already. < 1331056303 566333 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how you blame me for this conversation < 1331056313 25624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 is like the fool who can't help himself. < 1331056327 935764 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm the willful perpetrator. < 1331056352 284393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: There's a saying you might have heard before that goes "don't feed the trolls". < 1331056358 736744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'll find a comparable principle applies here. < 1331056360 226587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop feeding. < 1331056376 864337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 is troll? < 1331056389 714374 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a troll just "source of things I don't like on the internet" < 1331056408 194611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the word "comparable", which is not a typo for "identical". < 1331056409 64781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it had a specific meaning. like someone who manipulates an online crowd to illicit some kind of negative response. < 1331056413 852948 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1331056415 685111 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough. < 1331056491 165437 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers everyone. < 1331056534 125530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : c[_] < 1331056577 155461 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... < 1331056579 687282 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bomberman? < 1331056600 969127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intended as a cross section of a mug < 1331056604 674363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... yes < 1331056605 557353 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331056610 496386 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like bomberman waving at me < 1331056617 462409 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the c is his little knubby hand-appendage. < 1331056618 871090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C[_] < 1331056691 692449 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the life of a bomberman must be difficult, he has no fingers. all he can do is miraculously spawn explosives and manipulate them with his little ball-hands and ball-feet. < 1331056738 7790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,--[..]--. < 1331056779 511230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,--[..]--.!test < 1331056779 697903 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ... < 1331056821 172910 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat 'r' < 1331056821 952792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... < 1331056893 263989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,--[.-]--.!z < 1331056893 452711 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba`_^]\[ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA@?>=<;:9876543210/.-,+*)('&%$#"! .. 
� < 1331056897 52254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have sane fullscreen handling on your xmonad config? < 1331056903 319212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLINKING THORN < 1331056909 343402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got my set up to unfullscreen when the window is out of focus on screen. < 1331056988 90603 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from XMonad.Layout.Fullscreen. But XMonad.Hooks.EwmhDesktops has similar fullscreen handling but with less flexibility (it's not dependent on how the layout handles the fullscreen message) < 1331056989 876386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the value of blinking thorn? how can i type blinking thorn myself? < 1331057001 505722 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wat < 1331057078 435681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Fullscreen howso? < 1331057105 422783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the last character of fungot's output above appears in urxvt as a blinking thorn < 1331057106 43955 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so on some occasions, the tree fell an hour ago. :p the cost is only 2.5e (!) to set the car of the list tail < 1331057121 695933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bold thorn. < 1331057128 597280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+Bþ, then. < 1331057146 414278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ < 1331057148 907463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1331057152 944352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bold thorn < 1331057159 653274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's is BLINKING < 1331057160 422862 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm building a portable cml library with some improvements, though. it would be :) either way, you can have the gui built in with ultraedit. i hear they don't blow up people with them, though < 1331057176 82267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well by default fullscreen leaves things like xmobar visible < 1331057182 153198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, there's also an invert thing. < 1331057189 131586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Earlier in the line. < 1331057194 672346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just check the raw log. < 1331057199 10232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do fullscreenFloat or whatever it's called, or use EwmhDesktops fullscreen hook, or set up Layout.Fullscreen < 1331057207 500016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the raw log? < 1331057225 508553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I prefer it like that. < 1331057230 580145 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its in the topic, the topic is too long for me to see it < 1331057230 990513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: See topic. < 1331057236 723756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type /topic, then. < 1331057244 894049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah you people < 1331057245 188749 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost do... except that it would be annoying if I'm trying to watch a movie on an external display. < 1331057248 228645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :making me effort < 1331057257 771892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one asking how to create a blinking thorn. < 1331057269 628777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You could configure those displays separately. < 1331057274 172377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed. < 1331057283 138807 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331057283 591115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really fullscreen anything except video... so.... < 1331057291 383147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've also requested in the past that log link be kept near the beginning of the topic < 1331057299 839414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can switch focus to regain visibility of xmobar if I need it. < 1331057310 89398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331057357 147323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why? don't you know anything about proper information structuring? least important comes first. < 1331057393 720162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1331057397 741855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the raw log isnt helping < 1331057399 600431 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. you learn that in collegez < 1331057402 470939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go. < 1331057405 665139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.¿½ < 1331057409 941430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331057423 101108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the upside-down question mark 1/2 is bold and blinking < 1331057423 489775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I much prefer the topic to be first. < 1331057429 703200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the auxiliary links. < 1331057430 822271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So deal with it. < 1331057433 685947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the topic is not a real topic < 1331057434 71833 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,].[<.]!tognuf < 1331057453 447645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Keep whinin'. < 1331057461 705552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is it that i have to deal with your preferences? < 1331057492 332242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am disagree for two reasons: the links are fairly small, whereas the rest of the topic is typically large and useless. pieces of actual information should go first for quick reference. < 1331057496 518074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I set 90% of the topics. < 1331057505 974500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources. | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331057506 254710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just bookmark http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. < 1331057512 119925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i set this one < 1331057521 247284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You left the other "important" piece of information. < 1331057523 96883 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about new members? < 1331057534 143382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿½ < 1331057534 374363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly having the links first is better in any way you can think of (other than "I don't like it") < 1331057547 918868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿½ < 1331057555 515895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿½ < 1331057556 973616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :even, maybe, like, I don't know. a description of the channel. < 1331057562 754216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿½ < 1331057566 93684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331057566 280444 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had one of those once didn't we? < 1331057567 396819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ChanServ sends such a description. < 1331057571 450368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does `welcome. < 1331057575 44515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1331057578 184104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿½ < 1331057581 143680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1331057583 149946 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wtf are you doing. < 1331057589 469360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :It's worth noting that no useful language can remove all undefined behaviour; Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and its applications to computer science, tell us that in general you can't determine whether a method will complete, or whether a program can run indefinitely without running out of resources. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331057591 214340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ < 1331057606 904922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's ^f that makes it blink < 1331057623 442838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<.[<.]!tognuf < 1331057623 629743 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1331057625 961697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for you. < 1331057637 33798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the other piece of information is unimportant < 1331057641 954779 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331057644 853162 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because many topic bars cut off the topic, you need to use /topic to view the large text. whereas if the links were at the front you could simply scan the topic bar to get the useful information. < 1331057660 114605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^F makes it flash. < 1331057674 66081 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's usually disabled because it's terrible. < 1331057679 911995 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331057688 326099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Anyone who cares about the logs will know where the logs are. < 1331057694 198667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible? you mean awesome. < 1331057700 963712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<.[<.]!tognuf gol` < 1331057701 150559 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log fungot < 1331057710 605470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.. too clever you are < 1331057712 231149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an fairly long time that the logs were rarely in the topic to start with. < 1331057739 171512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331057755 197809 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. spoke too soon < 1331057763 17807 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^help < 1331057768 127710 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331057782 26735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1331057782 213509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer the textual part of the topic to be short, personally. then it doesnt matter where the link is. and it's usually tldr anyway < 1331057782 213721 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1331057784 8644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Why don't bots listen to messages with spaces in front?! < 1331057784 790372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331057791 347096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know right? < 1331057794 392299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make loops so much better < 1331057799 120124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read: possible) < 1331057799 465109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just checking what it was.) < 1331057841 413063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1331057844 971669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-12-15.txt:21:27:42: > error "Testing" :: Int < 1331057860 769111 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<.[<.]!tognu[f] gol` < 1331057860 955805 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ]f[ungot < 1331057864 160919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: missing terminating ] for character class < 1331057867 370011 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331057886 148887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that fucks my head < 1331057902 17317 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be why it's called brainfuck. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA < 1331057909 883605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1331057911 1898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331057912 525560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep < 1331057913 455459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1331057922 848567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev is a command for that < 1331057923 35306 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht rof dnammoc a si < 1331057929 722621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZE CONTACTS, ZEY DO NOTHING. < 1331057935 950511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be why it's called grep. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA < 1331057944 59618 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1331057948 441281 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<.[<.]!tognu]f[ gol` < 1331057948 627656 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [f]ungot < 1331057962 258691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-10-26.txt:22:05:51: fungot: If your response to this message makes sense as a set of obligations to impose on me in Agora, I pledge to follow them. < 1331058037 198021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it was brainfuck < 1331058044 591436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, terrible joke still holds. < 1331058050 663032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has excellent reading comprehension skills.
< 1331058058 412090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [] in reverse... < 1331058063 215512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so weird < 1331058076 932611 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]" < 1331058077 646424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][" < 1331058094 416366 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331058095 933563 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, only two characters off from being a palindrome < 1331058100 125300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. individual characters are not reversible. so sorry < 1331058104 512664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "][][][][][][][][][][][][][][" < 1331058105 324182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[][][][][][][][][][][][][][]" < 1331058107 597880 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap < 1331058112 186641 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 2 characters off from being a palindrome < 1331058117 322097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "[][][][][][][][][][][][][]" < 1331058118 72046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "][][][][][][][][][][][][][" < 1331058127 129780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev [][][] why you no use the homebrewn commands < 1331058127 316539 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdnammoc nwerbemoh eht esu on uoy yhw ][][][ < 1331058128 40832 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1331058139 613060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev [][][ < 1331058139 799843 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[][][ < 1331058143 808526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM < 1331058167 719157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i just thought up a brainfuck variation < 1331058173 771312 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck written in reverse < 1331058178 403118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversefuck? < 1331058182 567058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists? < 1331058185 250084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1331058186 733811 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a thing I believe. < 1331058188 325596 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1331058195 933838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a very painful thing evidently < 1331058196 503248 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you can find some minor detail to vary! < 1331058204 265921 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't < 1331058210 324185 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very painful < 1331058211 763535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331058215 166667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there needs to be an upside-down homebrewn command that upside-downs the input. < 1331058216 454190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversefuck reverses operator meanings < 1331058246 284873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < is >; - is +; . is ,; etc < 1331058266 370237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble homebrewn < 1331058266 557303 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmbenwreo < 1331058270 166831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. well i am talking about a brainfuck interpreter which reverses the input program.. < 1331058275 304288 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't change its meanings < 1331058280 304390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331058282 715451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understood. :> < 1331058291 481960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god that would ruin my brain < 1331058298 698765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the sort of thing that will draw bricks out of Phantom_Hoover. < 1331058306 495877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: just like.... read it backwards? < 1331058310 277047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be that difficult < 1331058318 933597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since each token is only one character < 1331058321 67233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats where you are wrong < 1331058323 576077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse C would be much worse. < 1331058380 362435 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev ,[.,] < 1331058380 549185 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :],.[, < 1331058418 406189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. from the wiki... Cat as ,[.,] becomes ... ],.[, < 1331058430 498195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, amazing. < 1331058451 799352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not think that is easy but then i couldn't write cat without thinking hard < 1331058499 277709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-] < 1331058499 464781 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]->++++<[++++++++>>>.+++..+++++++.+<]->++++<[+++++++>.<]->++++++++<[+++++++++> < 1331058499 651746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`replicateM` ['A'..'Z'] ++ ['a' .. 'z']) =<< [0..] < 1331058499 651932 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1331058500 481148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Monad.replicateM' [infixl 9] of a section < 1331058500 669084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must h... < 1331058507 702432 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`replicateM` (['A'..'Z'] ++ ['a' .. 'z'])) =<< [0..] < 1331058509 286662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","A","B","C","D","E","F","G","H","I","J","K","L","M","N","O","P","Q","R"... < 1331058512 722080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev (`replicateM` (['A'..'Z'] ++ ['a' .. 'z'])) =<< [0..] < 1331058512 909225 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]..0[ <<= ))]'z' .. 'a'[ ++ ]'Z'..'A'[( `Metacilper`( < 1331058520 203313 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331058521 580102 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :metacilper < 1331058522 835653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linebreak < 1331058547 141538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]!longcat is only as long as the tape < 1331058547 329565 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcat is only as long as the tape < 1331058550 858242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse Haskell is a legit esolang. look at that. < 1331058560 410172 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1331058560 597228 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.+>>.--------.------.+++.<<<<.---<]->+++++++++<[++++++++++>>>.<]->++++<[++++++++>>>.+++..+++++++.+<]->++++<[+++++++>.<]->++++++++<[+++++++++> < 1331058575 736583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, the tape is longer than the IRC line.) < 1331058600 921684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres hello world in reverse interpreted bf < 1331058615 237420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1331058620 377728 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, is it Turing complete? < 1331058641 58610 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need... < 1331058642 697693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of... < 1331058644 336885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphism < 1331058649 211400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: It's probably Gnirut complete. < 1331058656 510866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1331058662 170228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yes! I see why. < 1331058664 275875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is nothing more than doing ^rev on the input stream to bf < 1331058673 438076 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1331058677 168164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think about that. < 1331058683 272472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least what i have in mind < 1331058698 597504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a bit too hand-wavey for a real proof, don't you think? < 1331058749 980272 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to write a compiler < 1331058755 333009 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that translates to a TC language < 1331058787 624550 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that wouldn't be enough < 1331058797 429533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the best way to write in such a language would be to write a bf program.. then run ^rev on it < 1331058821 453190 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and then you could plug it into the compiler < 1331058823 824485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pass it to the interpreter which would unrev it and interpret it as normal bf < 1331058832 734839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1331058837 346379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yes, that's a compiler. < 1331058849 493429 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler and an interpreter. < 1331058859 639019 :EduardKhil!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331058863 775687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERESTING STUFF < 1331058885 799351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far the most interesting development in esoteric programming languages in some time. < 1331058911 333827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as gauged by this channel. < 1331058997 315714 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you should write a reference implementation. < 1331059026 840586 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting property of it is that some subset of bf programs would also be valid bf after reversal.. and some wouldn't < 1331059060 643901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subset is those without loops. < 1331059081 678632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except actually it can never move the tape pointer. < 1331059085 728837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you use a both-ends infinite tape. < 1331059089 445434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an /interesting variant/, you could also mirror the program < 1331059094 364671 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that brackets are oriented the same way. < 1331059115 409541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that its so fiendishly unintuitive to read bf in reverse... got my attention < 1331059127 838760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: And the tails of commas point the other direction. < 1331059132 922621 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right < 1331059140 376009 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < and > would be backwards < 1331059141 177249 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1331059184 11803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was shocked that ^rev [a] =/= [a] < 1331059195 534183 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expected it to be for some reason < 1331059201 511201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a law. < 1331059234 245186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev (maybe the other parens behave better) < 1331059234 432164 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :)retteb evaheb snerap rehto eht ebyam( < 1331059236 265820 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: probably your brain tricked you into thinking [ and ] retain the same appearance if reversed. < 1331059238 123042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes. < 1331059260 872948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand: retteb evaheb snerap. < 1331059265 946595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting development < 1331059279 92983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sneeeerap. < 1331059287 213292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hence the painful aspect < 1331059289 606552 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah if you ignore concrete syntax, then any reversed bf program is also a valid bf program. < 1331059296 395064 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1331059297 457825 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1331059306 253320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to reverse the semantics of the bracket operators still. < 1331059339 34775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to REVERSE THE POLARITY. < 1331059365 242158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were the nonsensical bfjoust polarity terms, again? < 1331059374 573928 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, just polarity < 1331059379 824455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bill murray? < 1331059387 334612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sieve and kettle. < 1331059391 391797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331059400 994013 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the bracket operators are the only ones dependent on the positioning of other tokens.. < 1331059412 83481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kettle calling the sieve holey. < 1331059442 2422 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a bf-like language (linear stream of operators) where none of the tokens were dependent in that way then a reversal of the program source would yield a valid program in the original language. < 1331059507 831126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR EXAMPLE DUPDOG < 1331059532 787774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, Darths & Droids actually changed the name of a major character. < 1331059581 161380 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, here's an interesting idea. adding operations that are dependent on the locations of other operations. this would effect the semantics of those operations after source reversal. < 1331059598 910627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Should I read Darths & Droids. < 1331059622 521386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ooooh, brainfuck derivatives. < 1331059642 729081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grarfl flagaaargigna < 1331059645 518057 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1331059653 505167 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example in a language that's a superset of dupdog, a [ could ignore all source up to ] < 1331059659 400550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How many comics is it. < 1331059666 604959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What would ] do? < 1331059672 848735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :697. < 1331059679 485318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, well, nothing yet. < 1331059682 891504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't necessarily have to < 1331059687 868147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you still have different semantics upon reversal. < 1331059691 289200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could do something as well. < 1331059704 931142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is a lot. < 1331059736 546487 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev [blah blah blah [] blah] [ blah < 1331059736 733294 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : halb [ ]halb ][ halb halb halb[ < 1331059749 779250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev [blah blah blah [] blah] ] blah < 1331059749 966203 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : halb ] ]halb ][ halb halb halb[ < 1331059774 978741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep talking, but all I hear is "halb halb halb". < 1331059791 484698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331059806 204255 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev [] blah [] blah [] blah < 1331059806 429345 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :halb ][ halb ][ halb ][ < 1331059821 775975 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rev ][ blah ][ blah ][ blah < 1331059821 962668 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :halb [] halb [] halb [] < 1331059829 963115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional execution. < 1331059834 102410 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...kind of. < 1331059905 817640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the condition is dependent on the initial condition. < 1331059910 178423 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that makes no sense. < 1331059960 43265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's conditional execution, it's just that there's no input. < 1331059996 61026 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is the source. < 1331060140 926279 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a ] could ignore source up to (and including) a [ < 1331060199 276524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to and excluding is funner. < 1331060237 130780 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, yes. < 1331060248 195391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :variant joke esolang. < 1331060326 769393 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's no reason to have two characters at that point < 1331060329 849643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just use " < 1331060339 620736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they do the same thing. < 1331060357 838649 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, well no < 1331060375 471330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that maybe id const = flip maybe? < 1331060389 34865 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe id const < 1331060389 907367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a -> a -> a < 1331060391 332815 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip maybe < 1331060392 103711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (a -> b) -> b -> Maybe a -> b < 1331060397 343686 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1331060414 33909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm missing something. < 1331060434 978499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1331060438 709020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe id const = flip fromMaybe, rather. < 1331060459 838502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no. < 1331060477 912999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's pretty clear. < 1331060493 545788 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the difference is that ]] and [[ do not do the same thing as "" < 1331060525 368156 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and subsequently ]stuff], [stuff[, and "stuff" < 1331060540 25603 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if your brackets are balanced I think they operate the same way. < 1331060553 451973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, if it's excluding, then you immediately hit another ]. < 1331060555 356053 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..also non-nested < 1331060578 573815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]stuff[blah]abc -> [blah] -> abc < 1331060578 760661 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not excluding. < 1331060584 312634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ha, yes. < 1331060584 499303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : variant joke esolang. < 1331060584 499500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : though there's no reason to have two characters at that point < 1331060584 499599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : could just use " < 1331060584 499699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : since they do the same thing. < 1331060587 355579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pointing out that they don't. < 1331060601 193917 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure. < 1331060662 281604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this. < 1331060669 486690 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages without the need for balanced brackets? awww yeah. < 1331060689 677154 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still pondering the substitute instruction. called s for now. < 1331060701 235518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit too easy. < 1331060722 10196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also makes efficient implementation trickier) < 1331060847 913303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, another good thing < 1331060859 604264 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually it's not strictly necessary < 1331060878 948240 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having two operators that cycle character meanings. < 1331060885 36659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one in one direction and one in the other. < 1331060910 334561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can emulate one with the repetition of the other. < 1331060960 757274 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having two cycle operators that cycle in different ways could be interesting. < 1331061073 343103 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah you could have one that transposes abcd -> dabc like the current one < 1331061081 370465 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another that works like: abcd -> badc < 1331061106 921342 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something has occured to me < 1331061170 808655 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on. < 1331061205 243615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331061207 383078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[][]"... encounter [ "a" .. seek rightmost ] "b" .. a][b .. encounter ] "c" .. seek closest [ "d" .. acdb < 1331061211 52833 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331061216 821156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1331061238 296588 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how well it would work in practice < 1331061249 94237 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not really concerned about practice here. < 1331061251 779719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poor brain < 1331061278 163181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that seeking the rightmost ] would lead to massive program erasal < 1331061293 390625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most circumstances < 1331061297 449213 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the symmetry I think < 1331061300 891350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Were you around when ircbrowse was still alive? < 1331061304 82703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were some good logs. < 1331061330 296159 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331061335 285811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were dead when I turned up. < 1331061337 800586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuude. < 1331061340 226618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should'a been there. < 1331061345 616544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under this scheme [][][] becomes [()()] < 1331061348 998985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "where are the nice formatted logs" and the site was like "no". < 1331061349 185507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should'a been there. < 1331061358 640348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: wat < 1331061368 667888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are () and () < 1331061398 447516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. rather.. [][][] becomes [[][]] < 1331061417 117113 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely dependent on the rest of the program though < 1331061419 625776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the rightmostness < 1331061432 42034 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chances are you're just going to erase a bunch of valuable logic. < 1331061443 848327 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, you know, that's what you wanted to do. I guess. < 1331061457 159669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have stopped thinking about bf.. and off in my own thoughts.. < 1331061469 206944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay. < 1331061476 608495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe im falling behind though :D < 1331061478 7287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what bf has to do with anything. < 1331061510 208834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. my mistake < 1331061551 512982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I think [ and ] and two kinds of cycle could be enough for some sort of TCness maybe. < 1331061557 800201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being too obvious. < 1331061597 501820 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :looping is still tricky though < 1331061605 107207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331061623 579577 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's at least possible to be non-terminating by duplicating the source code. < 1331061738 907325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general what i'm taking from this is the existence of the very esoteric "]a[" construct.. and its friends "[a[", "]a]", "[a", "a[", "]a", "a]" < 1331061755 783279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all seems very peculiar < 1331061773 257710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1331061776 7503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're having an itidus21 marathon < 1331061784 122955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet those constructs are completely equivalent to some bijective mapping to other, more eye-pleasing characters. the concrete representation doesn't mean much. < 1331061800 54483 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shut up I am making valuable progress. < 1331061832 898467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331061833 858631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1331061851 496836 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gi < 1331061852 349775 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331061860 363948 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1331061865 359118 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure? < 1331061879 262216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan [2007] by using the FingerTree module which implements lazily concatenated sequences < 1331061879 450422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331061881 653769 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try doing what itidus21 does, see what it reveals about myself < 1331061895 249574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan are you sure? "(it is the same as Data.Sequence, but less restricted)" implies not, since Seq is strict < 1331061895 473075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331061924 93871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-complete programming languages, they map on to eachother. < 1331061925 105221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less restricted < 1331061935 571342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't stricted twice < 1331061936 777036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good. < 1331061953 505894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you convert a bf program into unlambda, and back again, you could end up with a completely different program < 1331061967 386452 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wow you sound just like itidus21 < 1331061971 575511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one could envision a... mode of brainfuck which allows the user to construct experiences < 1331061972 266346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1331061975 756105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ignore me... < 1331061980 308297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did my itidus impression go < 1331061984 656384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good good < 1331061988 966571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did better than Taneb < 1331061998 86338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hehe seems out of place < 1331062003 131701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not good at doing the not capitals < 1331062003 526021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest is good. < 1331062023 526509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should have been a "hmm". < 1331062025 331220 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs itidus hehe < 1331062035 474272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs < 1331063704 40778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes indent.
< 1331063727 844108 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird I thought I fixed all that. < 1331063742 105284 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my own (codenamed) "Ibtlfmm" one idea include, you might have: type TypeOf (_ :: {t :: k}) :: k = t; type MyLayout = TypeOf {myLayoutHook}; < 1331063820 295618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: have i mentioned use smart borders < 1331063824 990740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that do < 1331063868 536784 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331063870 316273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1331064144 852279 :blackwhit!~BirtchFam@EV-ESR1-72-49-249-239.fuse.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331064155 444932 :blackwhit!~BirtchFam@EV-ESR1-72-49-249-239.fuse.net PART :#esoteric < 1331064170 953655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome bl < 1331064174 910256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What typeOF? There is typeOf for values, but not one for types? < 1331064175 381034 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331064316 834934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's wrong with my volumeKeys? < 1331064338 53843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You. < 1331064344 407131 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..k < 1331064372 484741 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh alignment < 1331064393 40040 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : [ ("" , void (lowerVolume volAmnt)) < 1331064393 233625 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : , ("" , void (raiseVolume volAmnt)) < 1331064393 420171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : , ("" , void toggleMute ) < 1331064398 237045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ] < 1331064406 405664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :better? < 1331064489 45971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use proportional irc font < 1331064495 727724 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful < 1331064528 417265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc requires monospace :( < 1331064543 838211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your puny mind requires monospace. < 1331064548 738098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Stand with me, brother. < 1331064560 349038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have ais523 on my side, so ha. < 1331064561 309843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something wrong with monospace < 1331064569 108416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't know. I like monospace. < 1331064577 358739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use Libertine for Henry's XChat. < 1331064582 856475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apparently it makes your mind puny, according to elliott < 1331064596 179047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is your puny mind that makes your mind puny < 1331064670 107956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the font list on XChat, sees Comic Sans sitting there.
< 1331064679 439894 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that film which doesn't have Ron in it. < 1331064689 767123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop using windows < 1331064752 715862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but skyrim < 1331064762 606219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also valve bundle < 1331064768 421923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get comic sans installed so I can xchat in comic sans < 1331064798 502621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I DID IT AUIGJARGOA < 1331064801 153008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vomist
< 1331064811 408013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1331064811 594801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: comic sans? < 1331064818 168857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1331064818 783363 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like vomiting but it turns into a fine spray which soaks everyone nearby.) < 1331064831 863795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious < 1331064835 349600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IT'S OK I CAN WITHSTAND THE EVIL I WROTE AN ESSAY ON IT ONCE.) < 1331064844 163644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's seriously nothing wrong with comic sans < 1331064851 71683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, READ MY ESSAY < 1331064863 705323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT A B IN ENGLISH AND I SUCKED AT ALL THE OTHER BITS IT MUST BE GOOD < 1331064947 835240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry guys, my ambitions in their way are worthwhile < 1331065020 861178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331065054 375486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/qisot/im_stephen_wolfram_mathematica_nks_wolframalpha/ < 1331065055 455535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1331065090 168559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1331065106 97018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one of the top questions asks him about his raving egomania; poor show. < 1331065121 488544 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331065136 497484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WolframAlpha now requires registering and logging in to free account to copy plaintext results. (wolframalpha.com) < 1331065136 684188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l o l < 1331065169 831230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w ha a t < 1331065177 231105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w hy < 1331065196 824008 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they apparently want some money < 1331065202 140586 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's < 1331065202 845227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free < 1331065214 832922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free account < 1331065224 647100 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1331065233 450874 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps spambots are doing calculations < 1331065264 540541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331065295 319048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy shit people. He created, and is developing this for anyone to use, and he is only asking you to log in to get some of the more useful features." < 1331065300 328988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feed the ego. Feeeeeeed. < 1331065331 343837 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the ego < 1331065336 826686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that, somehow < 1331065350 143304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to make a new program, with some features of Wolfram|Alpha and Mathematica, but based on Haskell and open-source too < 1331065378 591817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on behalf of math majors everywhere, thank you." < 1331065380 81893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT A QUESTION < 1331065388 421323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAmA needs to delete non-questions. < 1331065399 452215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :math majors should just learn how to program Haskell problem solved < 1331065423 432933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TIL Wolfram existed before I discovered Wolfram Alpha" < 1331065432 382396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How amazing is it that Alpha actually succeeded? < 1331065443 357361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had stupidly overambitious marketing and the early reviews were pretty scathing. < 1331065448 506973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had literally every ingredient of a massive flop. < 1331065491 24363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, Wolfram|Alpha still fails at ecliptic coordinates. < 1331065578 351717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other things it fails at too. < 1331065669 775822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An old one for Mathematica: Mike Foale was using it on the Mir space station; there was an accident; the computer it was on got sucked into space; Mike had a backup disk, but needed a password for a different computer; all-time favorite call to customer service ... and finally an in-action solving of equations of motion for a spinning space station." < 1331065680 805623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the idea of an accident throwing a computer into space is just too funny. < 1331065747 163947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION MATHEMATICS. < 1331065758 629510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST FILM OF 2012 < 1331065954 450707 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha" < 1331065954 676975 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: How amazing is it that Alpha actually succeeded? < 1331065954 863795 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It had stupidly overambitious marketing and the early reviews were pretty scathing. < 1331065954 863993 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It had literally every ingredient of a massive flop. < 1331065965 715828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, for all its flaws, it's still *really* useful. < 1331066005 765751 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd the movie: starring brad pitt, jim carrey, richard stallman, julia roberts and quentin tarantino < 1331066145 923618 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh... brendan fraser as the main character < 1331066226 435554 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have my actors mixed up < 1331066268 363502 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean matthew broderick < 1331066467 204697 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i made regular use of wolframalpha i wouldn't feel like such a for igoring the topic but what i am thinking about is game of life as an animation format.. an idea bubbling away < 1331066477 990074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331066524 491440 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea being that a finite multicolored game of life equivalent to the size of a display which updates the display on "key" generations < 1331066549 911764 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything inbetween the key generations being an "inbetween" generation < 1331066560 711851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1331066610 120420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331066658 520841 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think everyone has too much fun with the math of GoL to consider such direct practical applications < 1331066660 618098 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, guess what's about to update!" < 1331066807 978111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, guess what has just updated! < 1331066850 75749 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331066890 987845 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats roughly how deluded i am.. i don't like to think about the realities of encoding animations as GoL such as the lack of likelihood that there is any CA suited to representing animations < 1331067008 798257 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm a thought coming to me now.. that a pattern in a GoL could be like a marker which gets overlaid by a bitmap.. such as a glider.. perhaps it scans the GoL for any gliders and draws a missile bitmap in its place < 1331067026 211151 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it draws a gun where it finds a glider gun pattern... < 1331067384 348416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: would probably help if you knew how to program. < 1331067635 890224 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it doesn't matter but in my world i made a breakthrough just now in using sprites as overlays of GoL patterns to create scenes. with the rest of the cells being kind of darkened like the actors in black in a japanese puppet show < 1331067667 302108 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also solves the coloring problem < 1331068104 920045 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PixelQuest update < 1331068148 167928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed. < 1331068250 256235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-166-86.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1331068256 798517 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331068565 79202 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" basically i think everyone has too much fun with the math of GoL to consider such direct practical applications" eating my hat.. nom nom < 1331069138 583024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.... I wonder what the origin of that phrase is < 1331069145 431229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eating your own hat) < 1331069181 925643 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it would have been easier in days when hats were made of animal skins < 1331069194 614432 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was such days < 1331069211 529957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you mean leather? Doubtful < 1331069228 134387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are straw hats and such < 1331069230 50182 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh... lets blame my looking at tekken screenshots with that guy who has a tigers head on < 1331069239 528664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, tekken? < 1331069242 224767 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zangief wearing a bear < 1331069252 402466 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^costume < 1331069258 927414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what is tekken? < 1331069309 658600 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh it's a 3d stylized martial arts tournament simulation game < 1331069335 728968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, so, like street fighter? < 1331069341 735515 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1331069360 925716 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that... the game in question is called street fighter x tekken < 1331069383 662092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :x standing for? < 1331069388 610693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :10? < 1331069396 673332 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross < 1331069399 317828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1331069496 664977 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really play these things... nowadays.. but tekken has this character who wears a tigers head skin over his head.. except its drawn as if he were a half man half tiger < 1331069499 560802 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331069523 542532 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of creepy < 1331069524 291288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, didn't you just call it "martial arts tournament simulation game"... < 1331069560 140270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which material art does it simulate? < 1331069575 650991 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simulates a tournament of mixed martial arts :D < 1331069613 870647 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a stylized way < 1331069616 544543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, so none of that unrealistic stuff then that I seen in some of those games? (I have no idea which one) < 1331069634 319849 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo stylized < 1331069666 358520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I mean, is it stuff that could happen in real life? < 1331069733 703712 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ill have to quickly say no < 1331069740 36896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331069761 236581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm not sure simulation is the right term, although you could make a case of it simulating unreality. < 1331069769 472839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case most games are simulators < 1331069793 982595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or possibly all?) < 1331069812 714413 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love the way a words meaning can be modified to designate almost anything < 1331069818 996034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pacman: Simulator for a 2D world where there are ghosts and you are yellow circle segment running around eating things. < 1331069855 165428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I think it is annoying rather. < 1331069866 752045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes writing a natural language parser much harder < 1331069924 577735 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-19.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331069954 830121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, but yeah personally I restrict "simulator" in the context of computer applications to very realistic "games". Flight sims obviously. Also ARMA 1/2/3, a military combat simulator (think COD or such but actually hyper-realistic instead of hyper-unrealistic) < 1331069975 488062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are driving simulators too < 1331069987 649348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I can't think of any names on the top of my head. < 1331069996 644868 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i manage to walk the line between smart and stupid too well for my own good < 1331070011 446007 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gran turismo series is one < 1331070020 939514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In which case most games are simulators < 1331070021 125679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, haven't played that < 1331070021 312404 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (or possibly all?) < 1331070024 485314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't walk that line itidus20, trust me < 1331070030 471054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes? < 1331070036 448112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All computer games are simulators, and all games are simulators in a sense. < 1331070045 970282 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then theres this other one whose name i can't think of which is a rally simulator < 1331070108 840467 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't think theres anything i can be told about video games which will surprise me very much < 1331070116 760129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, but usually people don't call something like Final Fantasy a simulator, while they do say "flight simulator" < 1331070117 627093 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that is.. for AI < 1331070136 124588 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will probably be afraid of AI before too long < 1331070259 713758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how so many video games can screw up pathing btw. I mean, it isn't that hard really. As far as I know pathing from point A to point B with a navmesh is a solved problem. < 1331070275 266254 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331070348 540933 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hope is that all of these little ideas i have add up as lots of little displacements summing to one big displacement < 1331070361 454328 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331070370 538122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i am completely non-conventional by the time i do make something < 1331070480 326522 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind it sounds like a utopia.. but theres nothing there really. thats a problem. < 1331070598 408263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is value in developing ideas in isolation... < 1331070745 395405 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its true that tehres a difference between being smart and skilled and talented.. and being ambitious for the sake of being ambitious.. but the latter is still fun < 1331070820 685750 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331070925 314136 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you don't seem to actually possess any ambition. < 1331071043 720917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's an old matra related to Tekken: "Tekken Tekken Virtua Fighter, oh my brain feels so much lighter". < 1331071111 155881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1331071197 877466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite recall where it's from. Maybe some parody thing. < 1331071302 720888 :EduardKhil!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :khil < 1331071405 944328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also as seen in ##c, two new asteroid names: 300909 Kenthompson, and 294727 Dennisritchie. < 1331071418 337670 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: There's an old matra related to Tekken: "Tekken Tekken Virtua Fighter, oh my brain feels so much lighter". < 1331071424 839713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old matra. < 1331071426 548833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mantra. < 1331071430 352540 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better than that new sa-matra. < 1331071794 942677 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331071808 424401 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331072003 430507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "Sa-Matra" means "Great Trophy", possibly then a matra is just a trophy. (Or great.) < 1331072056 503492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331072078 959373 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331072177 104096 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331072271 453827 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331072462 881784 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331072507 941057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331072568 322077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds lutusp arguing that insurance is a bad investment, feels that he has rather missed the point.
< 1331072605 981124 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331072674 467041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lutusp... WRONG??/ < 1331072676 158738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1331072681 221996 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you don't buy insurance hoping that you'll come out with a monetary gain; you buy it because value and money aren't linear. < 1331072682 686215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*??? < 1331072710 923739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could consider: saying that? < 1331072717 164824 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on his website. < 1331072722 638075 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where to say? < 1331072724 444315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has an email address? < 1331072800 213644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm too young and stupid to see exactly what he's arguing; I'd almost think he's arguing it's a bad idea if you have infinite money. < 1331072879 840059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cracked.com/article_19698_7-deadly-things-you-wont-believe-most-people-survive.html < 1331072898 591115 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#6. Getting Shot Is Only Fatal 5 Percent of the Time (If You Get to a Doctor) < 1331072898 777805 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1331072941 638123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my dad telling me that when he was studying medicine they were all amazed when a policeman who'd been shot was brought in and it was a pretty trivial thing to fix. < 1331072997 242415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Haven't you said that "matra" before? < 1331073008 159651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. It keeps rattling around in my head. < 1331073010 347919 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He played too much SC2 in his youth, evidently. < 1331073059 920669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-26 15:54:25 A mantra: "tekken tekken virtua fighter / oh my brain feels so much lighter". < 1331073086 152983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-26 15:54:29 I can't remember where that's from. < 1331073096 566042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google gives a nothing. < 1331073109 811654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm such a broken such a broken a broken a bro-bro-broken-en-en record. < 1331073157 861312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might have been related to the Pelit ("Games") magazine, a Finnish computer games thing. It had some sarcastic columnists. < 1331073255 444653 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331073603 166092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Grr. < 1331073652 347693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-113.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331073680 931534 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331074152 128594 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: rawr? < 1331074287 942138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You encouraged people to have discussions in articlespace. < 1331074295 751417 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I did? < 1331074304 101746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :butterfly effect, man... < 1331074306 33395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT MY FAULT. < 1331074327 784402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_Operating_System&diff=next&oldid=8728 wtf. < 1331074358 312311 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1331074359 939559 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a thing. < 1331074402 417695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you almost blank it. < 1331074433 604939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BugSophia this is awful why doesn't it have a spec you're terrible. < 1331074437 592245 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can like... a) delete that b) remove any mention of my name but leaving it available as a discussion place for Yet Another eso-OS Brainstorm Dud. < 1331074448 669235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because past-kallisti is a terrible person. < 1331074457 509947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike now. < 1331074459 568051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different. < 1331074471 664334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The only way I could remove any mention of your name would be to hide revisions. < 1331074480 374359 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1331074482 134626 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331074482 714965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to hide revisions unless I absolutely have to (personal information, copyright violation). < 1331074515 551203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, why the heck'd you blank that page. < 1331074541 676350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's worthless. < 1331074548 412414 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely. < 1331074560 996934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. that was 5 years ago. < 1331074573 129196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just reverts to the previous revision so the page isn't completely bare.
< 1331074573 567227 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost exactly 5 years ago. < 1331074605 758124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no, it's shit, I'll just leave it as a horrible shell of a page. < 1331074616 669560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat: grr. < 1331074624 507945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. good. < 1331074629 155096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? now you understand. < 1331074632 131075 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331074652 92326 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason I have blanked almost everything I've written on the wiki is because I'm lazy and/or busy with something. < 1331074655 714254 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haven't < 1331074661 787872 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, Cracked, stop throwing David Wong at me. < 1331074679 1680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you all think he's witty and insightful; stop making me hate you more. < 1331074735 882319 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of people I wish to physically injure because of the monkeysphere article alone took far too much effort to maintain. < 1331074774 691051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Don't vandalise shit just because you're an idiot. < 1331074804 440659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stue Did this thing ever actually exist, or was it a work-in-progress? < 1331074816 524963 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so once I personally throw something on the wiki it becomes a permanent fixture that can't be removed by myself no matter how worthless it is? < 1331074824 452996 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, yes. < 1331074826 551823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't Wikipedia, after all. < 1331074832 408220 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a surprising concept to you? < 1331074843 392767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minute you put something on the wiki it's the property of the wiki. < 1331074854 12954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of a wiki being a pristine accumulation of shit as the result of status quo? no. < 1331074856 648738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a new concept. < 1331074877 946574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Putting something on the wiki releases it into the public domain. Our goal is to document every esoteric language and the ideas and concepts relating to them. < 1331074890 242322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no, deleting something just because you don't like it any more isn't OK. < 1331074895 52814 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of a wiki not being subject to the whims of authors whose work may have been developed upon or had value to others. < 1331074899 980293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is new to you? < 1331074949 564677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no none of this is new < 1331074964 873310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it obviously doesn't appeal to your immature view of things. < 1331074970 668789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're arguing to me about a decision I made 5 years ago. There's other reasons I haven't gone around deleting everything I've written on the wiki. < 1331074973 693478 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'd rather revise it. < 1331074987 601272 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm arguing about stupid things you said five minutes ago. < 1331075012 379886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was not arguing about your decision to pseudo-blank that page.
< 1331075017 956214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was arguing with < 1331075020 567296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only reason I have blanked almost everything I've written on the wiki is because I'm lazy and/or busy with something. < 1331075020 753985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *haven't < 1331075024 612514 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no. unless a wiki /is/ a permanent fixture of accumulated poor quality material. < 1331075040 515337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki documents a great many poor languages. < 1331075041 54595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka shit < 1331075050 550966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is to have quality documentation of everything, which includes quality documentation of poor languages. < 1331075063 45656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I wouldn't try and clean up pages on languages I personally find uninteresting. < 1331075071 373013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, no it just works on the priniciple that kind of crap > nothing, since space is barely an issue. < 1331075075 805928 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*principle < 1331075103 42462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the good old inclusionist argument. < 1331075112 286448 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :flashbacks from WP.. < 1331075121 767624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not interested < 1331075125 367173 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in talking about this anymore. < 1331075134 353998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really are an idiot. < 1331075144 6694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inclusionism is the obvious policy of a wiki meant to document content created by its users. < 1331075150 86781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're prefer to have a neverending discussion about nothing important. < 1331075172 877223 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1331075175 107097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like there's any significant esolang activity outside the wiki. < 1331075175 656982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I clearly stated < 1331075178 395992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather revise than delete. < 1331075198 394263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care what you're pretending you said to save face. < 1331075206 948256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only reason I have blanked almost everything I've written on the wiki is because I'm lazy and/or busy with something. < 1331075207 498021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *haven't < 1331075209 292063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and < 1331075210 138470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331075210 495497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : as I clearly stated < 1331075211 747516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd rather revise than delete. < 1331075214 278032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing to say. < 1331075222 588307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also more things I've said. < 1331075225 728437 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do keep track of these. < 1331075234 370868 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you even seeking to achieve here. < 1331075239 209027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1331075241 648082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discussion < 1331075245 106213 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :was completely brought to me < 1331075250 146295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm reacting. < 1331075251 800133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331075261 843816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's making yourself look like an idiot, you're excelling as always. < 1331075275 69490 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite why you insist on this intellectual masochism is beyond me, however. < 1331075284 997377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :look.. < 1331075302 474536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think about everything at the same time. Maybe it's because I'm idiot. < 1331075314 873537 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps what I say isn't meant to be set in stone. < 1331075323 210644 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I say "yeah that's the only reason I haven't deleted everything" < 1331075327 526957 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm leaving something out. < 1331075329 206370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as I clearly stated" is not the way to revise your previous statements. < 1331075333 90343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with new information < 1331075335 880816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331075337 681935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1331075348 948643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:02 < kallisti> also, you're arguing to me about a decision I made 5 years ago. There's other reasons I haven't gone around deleting everything I've written on the wiki. < 1331075351 917553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:02 < kallisti> because I'd rather revise it. < 1331075354 460174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not new info < 1331075369 210198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look, previous reasons I hadn't disclosed < 1331075382 231208 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because I give a shit about explaining away past shit I said. < 1331075383 334738 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because < 1331075384 619512 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the truth < 1331075386 412392 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fucks sake. < 1331075389 167662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done. < 1331075405 228478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were done five minutes ago. < 1331075410 816333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can waffle all you want, but the fact is that most of us can get by without regularly embarassing ourselves because we're not burdened with this ridiculous pride you insist on lugging around. < 1331075717 686360 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just like to say that, going back over the things I've said (in sequence). none of it is actually self-contradicting at all? perhaps you can check yourself if you're curious. < 1331075722 68031 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, feel free to have the last word now. < 1331075752 810889 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PART :#esoteric < 1331075777 715323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when he'll realise that his life will be considerably easier if he gains the ability to back down. < 1331075809 207712 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always like this here? < 1331075823 678458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is always like what? < 1331075826 511651 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331075845 970296 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not when kallisti keeps his gob shut. < 1331075858 119603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, he's been doing that far too rarely of late. < 1331075912 51729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're kind and fluffy deep down, really.) < 1331075989 832538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, it's always like this here. < 1331076006 192422 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331076024 610040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it's not < 1331076420 161285 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, today I experienced the smell of cholesterol. < 1331076424 339395 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a pleasant smell. < 1331076457 847149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Spray some Flora on it. < 1331076479 279187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd probably get yelled at by the person doing the experiment. < 1331076506 521202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Surely people yell at you constantly. < 1331076510 161907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're pertty annoying. < 1331076566 94397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but not to the extent of ruining experiments which are part of people's conditions to getting into university. < 1331076599 292600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have limits? < 1331076601 615118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretty < 1331076621 717633 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this about the rabbit. < 1331076625 725088 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said sorry for the rabbit. < 1331076652 28934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KILLED THAT RABBIT < 1331076870 718500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, where'd ais523 come from? < 1331076876 831480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you sneak in? < 1331076886 824930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been here for ages, you even said hi to me < 1331076915 714934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WELL HI AGAIN. < 1331076921 833215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1331076935 900009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a next version which is being deployed in February 2012 and will be released in the 2nd week of March 2012 ." < 1331076940 903619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, 1.19 has a release date! < 1331076953 780678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DID YOU KNOW they're changing the diffs even more massively than previously thought? < 1331076966 570719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331076977 87702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from a recently created article? < 1331077014 456116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331077029 600357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going to look roughly like this: http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10151 though I think it'll take until 1.20 for that to actually come through in a release. < 1331077055 630954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually like this slightly-different version: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10178 (PDF) < 1331077075 227567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a PNG, not a PDF < 1331077102 70033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is not a PNG. < 1331077107 869039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oops. < 1331077113 988674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10177 < 1331077115 192050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a PDF. < 1331077115 378837 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stabyourself.net/mari0 <-- lest anyone hasn't seen it :) < 1331077115 568497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331077182 562973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I am not emotionally involved in this change < 1331077217 88773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ISN'T ANYONE GETTING RILED UP ABOUT THE DIFF COLOURS < 1331077220 912899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the people to be upset!!! < 1331077234 133800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my *job* to institute sweeping technological changes while everyone complains! < 1331077237 862462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't like it? < 1331077250 127443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just want other people to not like it so you can feel superior? < 1331077289 664225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, it's just that other people aren't allowed to. < 1331077298 934403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When have you ever heard of a website changing its design and the users *not* complaining? < 1331077362 488838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because most website design changes suck < 1331077372 236328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody complained when acehack.eu improved its design < 1331077372 422989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the users think, yes. < 1331077380 129508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1331077381 813143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody heard. < 1331077399 286747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see acehack.eu has telnet now. < 1331077412 496031 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~a < 1331077412 496274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that take a lot of yelling? < 1331077412 496387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1331077433 447229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it does, kerio eventually put an sshd on port 23 in some sort of point < 1331077446 161211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "ssh acehack@acehack.eu (fingerprint; you can also try port 995 (POP3S) or port 23 (TELNET) if port 22 is blocked" < 1331077449 769530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and there's still an sshd there < 1331077456 679893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by "port 23 (TELNET)", he means "port 23 (TELNET PORT RUNNING SSHD BECAUSE I'M A MORON)" < 1331077467 237703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose AceHack over POP3S would be quite a feat. < 1331077471 786401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means he put sshd on 23 so that nobody could claim that they could use telnet but not ssh < 1331077483 202361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to firewalls, etc < 1331077499 969501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's many platforms with a telnet client but not ssh < 1331077510 863609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1331077517 378533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP/Vista, for instance < 1331077524 168472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, those have SSH clients available < 1331077535 670488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean platforms where you /can't/ use SSH, full stop < 1331077548 758760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Windows 7 comes with ssh?) < 1331077701 213236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they come with telnet by default, ssh you have to install < 1331077710 376186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might not be able to install new software < 1331077726 542409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also come with web browsers < 1331077730 278986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are online ssh clients < 1331077746 646736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but they suck for playing roguelikes on < 1331077757 733861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows sucks for doing anything < 1331077779 652830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if I find a platform with no SSH client or web browser, and tell kerio I want to play on acehack.eu, do you think he'll set up a telnet server? < 1331077874 933458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually a computer I plan to build, might not have SSH client or web browser; but the terminal size might not be enough even if there is telnet server, if it is TV screen (maybe I will have other outputs too) < 1331078084 631829 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331078195 970064 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-113.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you find yourself using a C64. < 1331078389 778989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: they come with telnet by default, ssh you have to install <-- iirc windows 7 doesn't come with telnet by default either