< 1331424024 409352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when you were GregorR? < 1331424095 733428 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes I do. < 1331424105 587086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1331424108 138736 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own that nick any more. < 1331424110 821146 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :ungroup < 1331424113 656441 :ungroup!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331424114 360331 :ungroup!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1331424117 556029 :ungroup!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1331424125 61172 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently /nick and /nickserv aren't the same. < 1331424160 147814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, apparently I do still own that nick. < 1331424184 9849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still own "Taneb" < 1331424186 300823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331424244 338700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't own elliott any more < 1331424280 61273 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by owning a nick? < 1331424292 770204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having it registered with nickerv < 1331424300 413110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickserv, rather < 1331424312 999034 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that be done?! < 1331424321 585857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331424335 794212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own 7 < 1331424342 499386 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Kindle < 1331424345 136702 :Taneb|Kindle!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1331424350 453468 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1331424353 819789 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :ettioll < 1331424356 381994 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :noqmy < 1331424370 559850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: /msg nickserv help register < 1331424382 464704 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no I'm stuck < 1331424395 834945 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :marapreykus < 1331424399 567315 :marapreykus!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331424400 589207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331424403 721765 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1331424488 825174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way, the Piet spec does specify Unicode, but goes no more detailed than that) < 1331424505 468985 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I'm kind of disappointed to find that RocketJSquirrel was free, given how big this network is. < 1331424511 122312 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all the people on this network terrible? < 1331424523 601697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331424523 895930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :RocketKSquirrel < 1331424552 981355 :RocketKSquirrel!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even terribler < 1331424555 775498 :RocketKSquirrel!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331424629 213426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's the difference between a conjecture and a thesis? < 1331424646 647321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The ratio between glucose and fructose. < 1331424715 824053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331424762 467550 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331424821 379379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, internet's dying < 1331424822 682946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1331424824 517951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331424913 544514 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331424922 792318 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331425083 51419 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331425308 815518 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mother accidently deleted the internet past week < 1331425690 666205 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "is not a quine" is not a quine. < 1331425763 854023 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B332.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331425798 126102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about a QR code quine on this channel once, I think it was using PNG format. < 1331425816 170337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen a ZIP quine, which contains a picture as well as a copy of itself. < 1331425883 942475 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you somethin like a recursive compression? < 1331425888 7475 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mean < 1331425915 976084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. < 1331425925 792561 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1331425955 995549 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome mindfuck < 1331425958 814512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also saw a gzip file which when uncompressed, resulted in two copes of the original concatenated together. If you then uncompress that, it will be four copies of the original, and so on. < 1331426130 90423 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite compression ratio, eh? < 1331426472 35017 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331426646 508677 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.swtch.com/zip a detailed writeup about the zipfile quine < 1331426740 370596 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think, that esoos should be based on an existing os with esoteric userland or a completely new kernel written in combination of asm and some esotetic language? < 1331426835 151733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is quite boring < 1331426839 750549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you skip all the OS parts < 1331426885 88382 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh. < 1331426906 401420 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiy < 1331426917 568086 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331427325 729288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Second one. < 1331427495 187147 :dnm_!~dnm@20151241094.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331427804 903877 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331427841 130439 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language would you suggest? < 1331427947 38179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331428062 402993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no place for PSOX, right? < 1331428063 618420 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331428068 439855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331428181 711405 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually I might b the api for esoos < 1331428210 163364 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/b/use it for/ < 1331428296 877451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with tha < 1331428297 307344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1331428317 110116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't many esolanguages suited to that low-level fun. < 1331428335 998149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkout is one, but you can't compile it efficiently to today's instruction sets. < 1331428340 320437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that kind of < 1331428378 301849 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the file domain is incomplete. And that you'll need to write your own implementation, unless you want to get CPython running on the OS < 1331428388 267637 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use PSOX I will propably leave networking out < 1331428403 204056 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeio: < 1331428411 671320 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1331428450 457186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1331428463 870189 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck does android keyboard havs enter and backdpace so close?! -.- < 1331428473 250647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think, is there anything truly useful in there besides networking and files? < 1331428479 246177 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the general framework < 1331428510 990187 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which as elliott said may be less suited for languages other than Brainfuck and Checkout (haven't heard of Checkout until now) < 1331428519 790329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1331428525 260483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Checkout isn't even remotely suited to PSOX. < 1331428529 160109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was replying to what language would you suggest? < 1331428535 390565 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1331428548 566619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's true that PSOX limits you sorely with its binary requirement. < 1331428594 183527 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If I use PSIX I will write my own implementation with asm < 1331428613 180501 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PSOX < 1331428619 6493 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least it doesn't limit you to cell-based languages < 1331428627 241684 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331428712 236975 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Does any esoteruc api limit you to cell based languages? < 1331428730 183358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel compelled to point out http://catseye.tc/projects/befos/ < 1331428755 174385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, iirc, PESOIX < 1331428760 684880 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was PSOX's inspiration < 1331428766 160103 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things about PESOIX ticked me off < 1331428850 747882 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it EsoAPI < 1331428857 653434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX was named after PESOIX < 1331428877 902526 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EsoAPI 1.0 calls replace the normal output functions. To perform an EsoAPI operation, write the necessary NUL escape character and function call bytes to the output stream. Some function calls may return a status value in the current memory cell. Any other data will start in the cell following the current memory cell. This should be implemented in a way consistent with the language." < 1331428881 3314 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoAPI < 1331428967 297900 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That is just stupid < 1331429029 24038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my problem with PESOIX was more subtle < 1331429233 950215 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I just create another Esoteric API which needs input and output byte functions < 1331429286 219803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello! ebdcked interesting ebdcked site! I'm really like it! Very, very ebdcked good!" < 1331429296 810046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, Glass could be a decent language to do it with. < 1331429333 604050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has simple semantics without great runtime requirements (just a GC), and has enough abstraction support to allow you to bolt on talk-to-hardware stuff without much effort. < 1331429416 995513 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it need dynamic memory allocation? < 1331429461 597810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but the allocation is explicitly controlled (i.e. you'll know when a piece of code is allocating). And writing a simple allocator+GC can be done in a few hundred lines of assembly code. < 1331429502 46669 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'll look at Glass when I get to my computer < 1331429614 539664 :augur!~augur@pool-96-231-126-88.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331429687 850044 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have pretty simple best fit linked lisr based allocator ready, but it is in 16bit cide < 1331429697 990659 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code < 1331430218 561427 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1331430227 230132 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did #haskell change significantly after i left < 1331430238 13156 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some paranoid fantasy where i'm secretly responsible for all of the dysfunction in that channel < 1331430339 675658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1331430356 591230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pgdown a few times on http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/12.03.10 if you want empirical evidence < 1331430414 605009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write an operating system using a variant of INTERCAL. < 1331430471 985738 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal is kinda boring bacause the please ststem < 1331430630 312665 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :danharaj: In GHC you can make an identifier that doesn't even have a type. < 1331430633 813525 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1331430685 577856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, that Korpela guy answers questions on Stack Overflow. < 1331430688 634664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can? < 1331430729 943188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is danharaj and how can you make an identifier that doesn't have a type? < 1331430743 724020 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. #haskell has only deteriorated in your absence. :-( < 1331430772 842780 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's just me. < 1331430783 327226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf truly has deterioriated in kmc's absence. < 1331430792 534440 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how has it deteriorated < 1331430793 749398 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Data T = froall a. T { unT :: a } < 1331430810 557924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that I've been getting annoyed with it more often. < 1331430836 30511 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/D/d/ < 1331430852 558552 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331430853 870375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, you are correct, I think unT doesn't have a type (or a use). < 1331430858 448214 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have all the reasonable people leave #haskell < 1331430896 964135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It has a use. < 1331430908 107604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern-matching and record construction. < 1331430928 306013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, right. < 1331430944 342855 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION factory resets his phone < 1331430954 112429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC GHC will display unT's type as T -> a if you convince it to. < 1331430958 610943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think Haddock will document it as such.) < 1331430967 187457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't expose the constructor but expose unT separately.) < 1331430980 371459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cannot use record selector `unT' as a function due to escaped type variables < 1331430986 273944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you convince it to" < 1331430990 383577 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can test it in ghci these days!) < 1331430997 443019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you convince it to" < 1331431000 732646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any way to convince it to. < 1331431007 156528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I think Haddock will document it as such.) < 1331431016 347582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that statement is tautologically true. < 1331431053 559159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If I was reasonable I'd've left #haskell a long time ago, surely. < 1331431111 377415 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still wondering if i should post my screed about #haskell < 1331431128 496299 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel has many redeeming qualities and i don't want to just walk away < 1331431138 561786 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it pisses me off for reasons which are a combination of its and my fault < 1331431168 966236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which parts are your fault? < 1331431211 54388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can practically guarantee posting such a thing will have no benefits other than catharsis... but maybe if you're still annoyed at an IRC channel after not being in it for months that's what you need. < 1331431231 184475 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331431238 532716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catharsis is the word I want there, right? I hate words. < 1331431244 927890 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems correct < 1331431261 508111 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it has no other purpose < 1331431268 684820 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will get people talking < 1331431275 711040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have a purpose, but I doubt that purpose will be fulfilled. < 1331431291 997803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty cynical about the ability of online communities to improve. < 1331431300 748378 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331431336 688105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, toodles. < 1331431338 453764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331431439 563394 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think #haskell is friendly, and they think friendly = helpful < 1331431443 770770 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they think they are very helpful < 1331431453 525707 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if i tell them that friendly ≠ helpful they could be more helpful < 1331431476 721874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, do you want them to be helpful or friendly? < 1331431489 982375 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably both < 1331431494 695495 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not saying they are mutually exclusive < 1331431502 458679 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am saying that being friendly is not itself sufficient for being helpful < 1331431516 131841 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, elaborating every beginner question into an endless argument about monad tutorials is not unfriendly < 1331431536 108562 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done with good intentions < 1331431611 164161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pepole have said the programming language I wanted to invent is similar to a combination between Lisp and Haskell; that is probably part of it but not all of it. < 1331431653 674529 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331431665 895412 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards on IRC are so low that people think #haskell is an amazing channel just because they do not overtly flame noobs < 1331431723 129219 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they should. < 1331431750 318084 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1331431759 734642 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don' agree with that < 1331431808 222859 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think #haskell needs to get significantly less friendly in order to be more helpful < 1331431818 187810 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps less friendly in some particular ways < 1331431942 302142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could ever flame a newbie < 1331431952 435993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one person I flamed in here a while ago. < 1331431964 727980 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who pretended to know more than he did, iirc < 1331431976 990706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you flame on IRC? I thought that only happened over mail/newsgroups... < 1331432041 363397 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told someone directly that they had no idea what they were talking about < 1331432047 65190 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i was particularly mean about it < 1331432092 843142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett has been UPDATEd < 1331432100 259475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1331432151 339373 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1331432155 112769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1331434249 891604 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1331434379 709212 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgeo. honqy. hachaf. hswett. < 1331434421 493816 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hon? < 1331434973 28495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331435002 632855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:03:59: i think #haskell is friendly, and they think friendly = helpful < 1331435002 819921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:04:03: and so they think they are very helpful < 1331435002 820207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:04:13: perhaps if i tell them that friendly ≠ helpful they could be more helpful < 1331435009 171055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think they think #haskell is friendly *and* helpful. < 1331435020 263056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell them friendly =/= helpful, they'll just ask you what about all the help they do. < 1331435052 298464 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't you just repeat what kmc said? < 1331435069 262765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331435072 783405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're probably more helpful than most IRC channels, at least. < 1331435093 142019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer misanthropy of a lot of programming language channels I've seen prevents any attempts at help. < 1331435098 778321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is saying that #haskell people think {friendly(#haskell), friendly = helpful}. < 1331435111 191294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convince them that instead friendly =/= helpful, they won't have the belief helpful(#haskell). < 1331435117 560373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying they think {friendly(#haskell), helpful(#haskell), ...}. < 1331435127 29927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convince them that friendly =/= helpful, that won't change their belief that helpful(#haskell). < 1331435201 281359 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Fair enough. < 1331435230 733120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a Haskell book. Almost finished the 3rd chapter. Would like feedback. (bit.ly) < 1331435240 386327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess! < 1331435251 961825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They learned Haskell by reading a book and writing three toy programs a few months ago. < 1331435280 726717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think they "get" monads, but aren't quite sure about "functors". < 1331435287 709679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I hate being such a cynic. Please let me be wrong. < 1331435306 215502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To #haskell, where all questions are answered in majestic stereo." < 1331435310 20550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf!! You'll never believe it! < 1331435313 102615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't wrong. < 1331435357 746305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1331435399 210197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a look at the actual book, as if he needed "evidence". < 1331435407 920812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is not a serious project." < 1331435428 79424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every language (human or computer) is unique. But there exists a special breed of languages ? those that < 1331435428 266394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge and shape the way one thinks. Haskell is one of them ? lost innovation in a sea of clichés. Un- < 1331435428 266574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, the only people apparently interested in Haskell are academics who blindly push the boundaries < 1331435428 266679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gurus who want to learn ?just one more language?. < 1331435428 588570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more concrete note, if Haskell were to have a list of prerequisites, it would be very unusual indeed ? < 1331435431 564890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two of the following: < 1331435433 566113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435435 597526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extensive programming experience < 1331435437 579160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435439 582264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A background in mathematics < 1331435441 627256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435443 601343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IQ over 130 < 1331435445 592682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435447 659542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perseverence < 1331435449 616520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435451 636190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard work < 1331435497 68318 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perse is Finnish for arse. < 1331435545 578133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks to you, I found the book, read some of it, and became annoyed. < 1331435554 322291 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, elliott. Thellileioieliottttt. < 1331435559 381883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/qquc5/im_writing_a_haskell_book_almost_finished_the_3rd/c3zqomv < 1331435587 177334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c = [( f x) ^2 | x <- a , x < 10] -- this really works !" < 1331435589 661947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD IT'S JUST LIKE PYTHON < 1331435594 821612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU HASKELL, I'M LEAVING PYTHON FOREVER < 1331435608 351107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People really need to think of bettter examples of declarative style than list comprehensions. < 1331435616 505461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mathematical applications of Haskell are endless. It's even possible to de?ne and work with monoids [XREF]!" < 1331435618 849182 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :List comprehensions... < 1331435621 518278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX MATHEMATICAL TOOL "MONOID" < 1331435632 502456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY HASKELL SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS FOR TODAY'S MATHEMATICIANS, LETTING THEM USE "MONOID"S < 1331435693 433093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we try to mix wrong types, Haskell throws a type error." < 1331435707 335972 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the things highlighted in red supposed to be wrong? < 1331435719 685282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I should actually think before coding, but the type system is so good :)" - Cale < 1331435749 806277 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning! Backquotes work only with two-parameter functions. < 1331435824 571839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all because Haskell is riddled with complex, counterintuitive or simply mind-boggling elements. Let's < 1331435824 758624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at something interesting. < 1331435824 758817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max 2 3 < 1331435824 758956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- works < 1331435824 759083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max (2 3) -- doesn 't work < 1331435826 607390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( max 2) 3 -- works !! < 1331435828 605828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331435830 606261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1331435832 626510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1331435834 913593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, in C, < 1331435837 579111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max 2 3 /* doesn't work */ < 1331435845 109562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(max,2)(3) /* doesn't work */ < 1331435849 449459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(2,3) /* works!! */ < 1331435857 173188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM Z < 1331435872 912518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a feature, right? < 1331435873 643263 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For starters, ++ concatenates two lists. It's one of the most basic operators. It's associative, so (a ++ b) ++ c is equivalent to a ++ (b ++ c)^7. / ^7 Without this basic property, lists would be stupid. < 1331435875 289372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEATURE Z < 1331435888 778486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHCi treats < 1331435888 965449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :min -3 4 < 1331435888 967746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1331435888 967857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :min (-) 3 4," < 1331435895 481487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> min -3 4 < 1331435896 235399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> a) < 1331435896 423331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1331435897 467494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> min (-) 3 4 < 1331435898 236129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1331435898 424243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1331435940 966751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically all functions accept only one parameter, but it's not healthy to think like this, at least for now ? remember < 1331435944 41847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem Z < 1331435946 561989 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(introduced in 1.2.3)? < 1331435964 538755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where he gets it right paragraphs later: < 1331435964 907029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331435965 383566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, function application has the highest precedence, so if you write < 1331435965 573288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more details see A.1). < 1331435965 573476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 10 + 8, < 1331435965 573582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo 10) + 8 < 1331435966 882764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means < 1331435968 884529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331435975 481974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book isn't real is it < 1331435980 569930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an elaborate prank right < 1331435981 817979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331435982 238057 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331435983 662286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google docs is super bad at copying < 1331435989 125206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a prank meant to make elliott go insane. < 1331436008 737884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately elliott was already insane. < 1331436011 712972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike most languages, in Haskell a zero-parameter function and a constant are really the same. < 1331436011 899709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, has something to do with Problem Z ? we'll understand what that means soon enough. < 1331436011 899900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This," < 1331436014 765597 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's idempotent. < 1331436026 135124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1331436081 826562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI: the author is brisingr in Freenode. < 1331436092 185190 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331436100 658364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1331436121 927935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh god. < 1331436124 272914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy has been in here before. < 1331436128 510682 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to make fun of people who are in IRC. :-( < 1331436138 990465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: CENSOR THE LOGS CENSOR THE LOGS < 1331436165 444510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't do that! < 1331436176 311901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it gets to unsafeCoerce on page 14. < 1331436178 845346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superb pacing. < 1331436212 238708 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg brisingr elliott is making fun of you in #esoteric < 1331436253 187557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You ruined all our fun! < 1331436254 682993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruined. < 1331436260 544462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun < 1331436260 885933 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have better channels to make fun of people in? < 1331436261 196236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "fun", I mean "pain". < 1331436264 323547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331436264 583450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "ruined", I mean "saved". < 1331436273 547704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by all of that I mean a turtle. :( < 1331436277 923328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGO? < 1331436282 511989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo. < 1331436287 100257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331436328 237140 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should write a better Haskell book. < 1331436331 655305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll show 'em. < 1331436337 278482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell sucks. < 1331436368 855371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL IS THE BEST LANGUAGE EVER < 1331436384 688094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not unlike if-else in other languages ? if the statement is true, the < 1331436384 874729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else < 1331436384 874954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :branch won't evaluate and viceversa." < 1331436392 58634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell that to my speculative Haskell evaluator! < 1331436412 945803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tells that to elliott’s speculative Haskell evaluator. < 1331436421 168504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1331436423 346040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels wanted. < 1331436466 985656 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, a CPU might mispredict the branch in evaluating the C code too! < 1331436475 82466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you still reading that book < 1331436489 378885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way have we invited brisignre here yet < 1331436493 27873 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Because it involves no effort and is an easy way to feel superior. < 1331436510 323036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. shachaf gets it exactly right. < 1331436523 38400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I'm actually doing it as an intellectual strenghtening exercise. < 1331436535 158513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like beating your head against a wall, except I'm beating my *mind* against a wall. < 1331436540 88319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which amounts to the same thing, but one sounds better. < 1331436567 269112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually strengthening. < 1331436588 644791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. < 1331436632 35108 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that elliott is mean-spirited and blackhearted. < 1331436697 280050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331436740 193139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, Haskell has a strong type system. That means that however similar their internal representations are, the compiler won't allow us to perform illogical calculations on them, such as multiplying an integer with a boolean. This may seem restrictive, but it helps avoid certain types of errors[1] (type errors). < 1331436746 627905 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Imagine working on a long, difficult physics problem asking for some velocity -- but after hours of calculations, the result is in kilograms. That can't be good. < 1331436759 292570 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Haskell prevents that error. < 1331436759 479387 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331436797 762570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke is that doing dimensional things in Haskell is painful. < 1331436800 63119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1331436818 336038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 {- miles per hour -} + 2 {- kilograms -} < 1331436819 104796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436821 716448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436827 713879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's ignoring your comments. < 1331436869 718947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :: miles per hour < 1331436870 494606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (miles per hour)) from the context () < 1331436870 681815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : aris... < 1331436885 909447 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331436930 679311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 mile per hour + 2 kilograms < 1331436932 115509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436934 33098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436963 667713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mile" < 1331436966 814800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found your error < 1331436978 158701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 miles per hour + 2 kilograms < 1331436979 528832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436982 185540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436995 866536 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilometre is too many letters for poor haskell < 1331437024 285147 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that makes doing dimensional stuff *easy*? < 1331437039 249477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink < 1331437052 260108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, it's not statically-checked) < 1331437055 959356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it does units excellently) < 1331437061 236561 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> 1 *~ (mile / hour) + 2 *~ kilo gram < 1331437068 420564 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't match type `Numeric.NumType.Zero' with `Numeric.NumType.Pos Numeric.NumType.Zero' < 1331437089 412579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How astonishingly nice. < 1331437100 840635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO nice. < 1331437118 725865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nice for unit handling. < 1331437124 452694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any other merits. < 1331437161 930778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what are you replying to? < 1331437166 852197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion or me? I assumed ion. < 1331437174 388516 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink. < 1331437179 935496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, elliott. < 1331437181 731500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Frink is astonishingly nice in general. < 1331437193 672834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the bestest calculator. < 1331437205 504699 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let u = 240 *~ volt * sqrt _2; i = u / r; r = 2 *~ kilo ohm; p = u * i in p /~ watt :: CReal < 1331437207 944599 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :57.6 < 1331437208 131558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely being good at unit handling makes it quite nice. < 1331437289 672914 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage frink < 1331437289 861381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/frink < 1331437327 698159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 2 lightseconds -> "meters" < 1331437347 87351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :599584916 meters < 1331437356 966972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :light am fast < 1331437366 477694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, light, slow down there < 1331437435 945268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no light no < 1331437642 490960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes the light bounce around in fiber, reducing its speed by a third. < 1331437684 997884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ion < 1331437770 430270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like do-notation and list comprehensions anyways; my own one it doesn't have such things (but might be possible to make up something like that using macros) < 1331437812 95242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: thanks ions < 1331437837 706396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OH NO YOU BROKE SCIENCE < 1331437842 607501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ion broke science :-( < 1331437917 396954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest in peace , science . we loved , you . < 1331438014 609654 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331438151 369654 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438504 638768 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-146-183.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331438533 514323 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438632 813804 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331438660 522164 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438976 680778 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-194.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438984 650651 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331439390 961721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop monqy im science < 1331439407 946809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331439412 306208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stope < 1331439445 649312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goode. < 1331439940 231101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welcome to floor! < 1331440125 522085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, floor < 1331440202 787216 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: hi < 1331440222 792952 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy++ < 1331440242 942588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor++ < 1331440271 393564 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma floor < 1331440271 591652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor has a karma of 1 < 1331440273 439159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma monqy < 1331440273 627683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has a karma of 2 < 1331440282 322834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy > floor < 1331440346 897854 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma science < 1331440347 120923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :science has a karma of 0 < 1331440352 880389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1331440376 744705 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea (%rip), science < 1331441315 933312 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-147.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331441324 611095 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-194.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331441848 346356 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331441933 356549 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331441954 608952 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-147.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331442342 578519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blehhhhh i haven't written any code in SO LONG < 1331442377 336013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should finish @! < 1331442391 58738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should shut up! < 1331442408 887323 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a@!b = 42 in f 43 < 1331442409 629206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1331442410 598664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1331442417 656052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442418 408254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442426 395559 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a@(!b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442427 172360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442436 920722 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (!a)@(!b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442437 666797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `@' < 1331442459 40581 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(2@(!b)) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442459 770815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `@' < 1331442459 958331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You see those problems you're having? < 1331442463 731418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those don't exist in @. < 1331442480 104171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@(!b)) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442480 894642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442487 747836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@(!(c@(!d)))) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442488 502646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442491 160189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What problems do exist in @? < 1331442494 980488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than, you know, existence. < 1331442525 720757 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is certainly not what you could call an existentialist. And yet @ has existential problems! < 1331442552 505330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish @ existed. < 1331442554 589114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use it*. < 1331442562 748691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1331442566 26177 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use one in my email address. < 1331442583 975318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Does it exist? < 1331442594 781268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of spammers seem to think so. < 1331442618 238944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @: A spammer's operating system. < 1331442623 460271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's an @. < 1331442627 744065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the at sign. < 1331442636 937726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is actually the yet-to-be-decided name of @, you just don't know it yet. < 1331442639 410039 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @ sign. < 1331442648 10116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we figure out what it is, we'll replace all occurrences of @ in the logs with it. < 1331442653 847042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a macro. < 1331442675 967716 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOXI < 1331442680 491405 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define @ a macro < 1331442685 503049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is bad idea to change the logs < 1331442710 799681 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tell me more about you think it is bad idea to change the logs < 1331442711 673420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a good idea. < 1331442765 201934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is automated. We don't know what will happen possibly things will change to not sense, and not know the old name of it, etc; a better idea is to add annotations to existing logs. < 1331442774 281835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if done manually it is not so good. < 1331442822 68420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the probability of any problems occurring when replacing all @s with something else is almost zero. < 1331442837 440642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we could replace @ with " [previously @]", but then the script would get into an infinite loop as it replaces that last @ there. < 1331442872 933682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [previously an at sign] < 1331442885 768095 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sign formerly known as @ < 1331442919 761496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate ("the sign formerly known as " ++) "@" < 1331442921 339885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["@","the sign formerly known as @","the sign formerly known as the sign fo... < 1331442946 108335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy [previous a monqy] < 1331442965 200436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, it was never an at sign. < 1331442973 179736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say @, you're always saying the name of @. < 1331442982 912930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't fully realise it yet. < 1331442988 946469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [this was never an at sign what are you talking about] < 1331443027 993765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ IS PEACE < 1331443031 902290 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREEDOM IS @ < 1331443036 955129 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ IS STRENGTH < 1331443049 718916 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WAS NEVER AN AT SIGN WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT < 1331443053 761588 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ MACHT FREI < 1331443054 240993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELIOT IS WATCHING YOU < 1331443082 236664 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (map head . group) "elliott" < 1331443083 726962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "eliot" < 1331443886 807975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah, ion's realname doesn't contain any repeated adjacent letters. < 1331443891 663584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cunning plan for revenge is foiled. < 1331444022 945885 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go to the magistrate’s office and change my name for you. Any suggestions? < 1331444088 357877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliott" < 1331444092 984073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@" < 1331444098 562951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1331444130 802427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliott" isn't a palindrome < 1331444140 556165 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is “palindrome” < 1331444198 606741 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@" is a palindrome < 1331444207 513249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "@" < 1331444208 328065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "@" < 1331444218 80700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == reverrse "@" < 1331444218 866590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `reverrse' < 1331444227 49141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == take 1 "@" < 1331444227 834969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444228 670172 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == reverse "@" < 1331444229 431338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444245 424684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == [succ '?'] < 1331444246 183250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444251 247756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1331444252 499349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Does @ have to be a palindrome? < 1331444268 545130 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret name of @ has been discovered through lambdabot trickery! < 1331444275 136067 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @'s name is... "@" < 1331444280 654268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The at sign! < 1331444283 485154 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cunning indeed. < 1331444292 501675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the at sign, surrounded by two double-quote marks. < 1331444309 501527 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :""@"" < 1331444331 528505 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :""""""""""""HELP < 1331444408 918209 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") < 1331444410 415305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"... < 1331444425 94779 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s an @ in the middle. < 1331444465 204115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") in x !! (length x `div` 2) < 1331444470 499695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1331444470 687948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1331444513 533275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1331444515 625512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1331444519 9270 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ < 1331444530 680012 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My middleofthelist function is too slow. :-( < 1331444656 465538 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a:_) [] = a; f (a:_) [x] = a; f (a:as) (b:b':bs) = f as bs; g x = f x x in g "abcdef" < 1331444657 409701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd' < 1331444663 298554 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's better. < 1331444671 588400 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a:_) [] = a; f (a:_) [x] = a; f (a:as) (b:b':bs) = f as bs; g x = f x x in g $ fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") < 1331444673 993231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1331444682 395000 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1331444686 448161 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just wait a few years, Moore’s law will make computers fast enough eventually. < 1331444692 453231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if his infstrings hack can support a "middle of the string" function. < 1331444710 99152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Moore's Lawyers! < 1331444748 141029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copute is a derivative of the understanding I gained from my 2006-2008 Universal Theory of Everything (basically that the universal trend of entropy to maximum is the fundamental force), which was recently proven by Erik Verlinde." -- if you're confused, Compute is a programming language. (Hope you're even more confused now.) < 1331444755 876202 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :infstrings? < 1331444791 753208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://sprunge.us/BXMM < 1331444800 150454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is copute < 1331444829 860297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what a coputer does < 1331444841 637678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: < 1331444842 143215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start :: (forall a. (Stringy a) => a) -> String < 1331444842 330079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start x = take 25 x < 1331444842 330277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end :: (forall a. (Stringy a) => a) -> String < 1331444842 330383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end x = reverse (take 25 (getDual x)) < 1331444845 366710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These break if you make them point-free. < 1331444873 91912 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love you < 1331444875 498733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What an original name for your monoid! < 1331444899 185431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's not a monoid! It violates the monoid laws. This hack is sort of in transition to becoming better, but hasn't quite got there yet. < 1331444913 984655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an original name for your Monoid < 1331444946 474456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a devious name for your nonmonoid! < 1331444969 277636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diabolical < 1331444981 582957 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heh, interesting. < 1331444984 807003 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331445019 786983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why does it break if you make them point-free. :-( < 1331445068 91489 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love elliott < 1331445070 915389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you too < 1331445074 568228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love everyone < 1331445079 591662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you rank n types < 1331445088 531088 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've found me out < 1331445093 672623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331445105 599241 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-156.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445117 734722 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoALTz: monqy is rank n types < 1331445389 648977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Khan you fixhe the @,e thaneyk uoi < 1331445426 147642 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ask elliott what < 1331445438 652529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott what < 1331445444 749428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assuming no random inputs, the program's behavior is always deterministic (repeatable from initial conditions) w.r.t. the code as the observer. Fortunately1 this total observer never exists for program coded in a language with unbounded recursion, i.e. Turing-complete. < 1331445444 936360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1331445446 113877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1A total observer would mean knowledge is static. Since software is the encoding of knowledge, software would become static. A person could eventually know everything. Then I posit that nothing would exist." < 1331445454 202358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf elliott what < 1331445454 390944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445459 757851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CS woo mixed with Theory of Everything woo. < 1331445462 887189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445463 74131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... so beautiful < 1331445463 260623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy asked 8s ago: elliott what < 1331445464 699938 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-156.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331445474 617208 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy @ask elliott what < 1331445474 805423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445480 155338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445480 343660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 6s ago: @ask elliott what < 1331445487 660434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott what < 1331445487 848820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445496 37488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy no < 1331445507 304256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf yes < 1331445507 492253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445509 284615 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now elioitlit wil get mad :( < 1331445509 473089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331445512 738088 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445512 926659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy asked 5s ago: yes < 1331445607 577991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see you're doing your bit to make this place slightly worse than #haskell. < 1331445607 801173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331445702 793762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < elliott> shachaf: Khan you fixhe the @,e thaneyk uoi < 1331445730 610310 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-236.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445762 105431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That's slightly better than #haskell. < 1331445961 819375 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-251.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445974 5312 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446124 774598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-236.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446272 920245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shachaf's caused me to actually start thinking about @, but can I just offload the thinking onto you? < 1331446294 37349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 2AM, I am going to fix all of the clocks in my house < 1331446302 595626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to do that too? < 1331446318 706482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are my clocks broken? < 1331446319 936145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is no escape < 1331446337 240519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. Can you look at it? < 1331446354 738576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1331446362 285230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it no longer says the time, but instead just says OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK all the time, then it might be broken.) < 1331446362 472080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no escape. < 1331446366 778592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331446368 840630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now. < 1331446370 946398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: < 1331446374 243843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK < 1331446558 860464 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-116-165.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446589 778783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it say it all the time? < 1331446604 892346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "OK " < 1331446606 77358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK... < 1331446607 975921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stare at it forever to find out. < 1331446724 815336 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-251.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446796 974827 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446899 692995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1331446901 512567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck! < 1331446903 462022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick < 1331446903 879538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446904 801683 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-116-165.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446906 738615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of you has to change their name. < 1331446906 925167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446913 915377 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YAY < 1331446915 726188 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1331446916 657851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1331446919 989563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446922 7342 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all welcome shachaf < 1331446923 660569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a party < 1331446930 250368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shachaf is welcome < 1331446957 728893 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks. been browsing tons of random pages on the Wiki this evening < 1331447170 454341 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME SHACHAF < 1331447174 976916 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447188 420203 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1331447227 309072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I forget the existence of `WELCOME just as a newbie comes in. < 1331447252 744404 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331447307 865625 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331447346 507151 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a language where all functions take only keyword arguments and the keywords can be in any order < 1331447354 723804 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME shachaf < 1331447358 153975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447367 259299 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME PSOX < 1331447370 605002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447391 181130 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god, what has my arrival done?.. < 1331447392 267101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is PSOX not welcome < 1331447394 455208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks" - psox < 1331447420 16776 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, trust me, we're rarely not this insane. < 1331447425 702145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1331447433 527651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Don’t trust him. < 1331447476 989930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: We're usually stupider than this... but also usually more entertaining. < 1331447479 344339 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a feeling this channel might be a little insane, after seeing some of the languages on the Wiki < 1331447484 407972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf will now snark back at me. < 1331447486 548614 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't doubt it < 1331447505 306486 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reading Eodermdrome's article.. < 1331447518 3331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331447527 325472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await shachaf's backsnark < 1331447532 373436 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, do not disappoint < 1331447535 865243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Eodermdrome, did anyone ever stop saying they're going to implement it and implement it? < 1331447541 15370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No.) < 1331447546 741092 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still says unimplemented < 1331447564 844549 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331447575 82956 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: boojum < 1331447584 515112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331447674 280388 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331447702 963873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: If you haven't got to Underload and ///, those two are lesser-known (compared to brainfuck, INTERCAL etc.) gems. < 1331447757 204085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've gotten to snack, < 1331447790 879669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've gotten to Snack then you can stop. < 1331447812 296923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you get to Esme you'll probably forget what you're doing.) < 1331448541 466844 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how (lambda () (+ "5" "6")) gives me a warning in SBCL < 1331448548 629546 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331448559 524050 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a problem < 1331448677 57073 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing./ < 1331448683 579734 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331448684 522939 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331448734 815150 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331448840 260447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331449075 109350 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-92.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331449867 45377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331449904 821849 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-92.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331449951 764480 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331450810 643994 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-116.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331450894 860595 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451230 817436 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-205.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451344 777779 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-116.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451412 136595 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451462 243540 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-140-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451531 463752 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331451592 869941 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out how to write a quine in a language that cannot do arithmetic on characters, nor convert integers to characters < 1331451614 816583 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-205.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451803 535318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451838 937928 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-91.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451974 802467 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-140-159.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452375 912454 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-179.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331452424 821170 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-91.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452630 25489 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-255.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331452685 619417 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Is either of those needed to write a quine? < 1331452726 637787 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1331452753 556416 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. "the usual way" :-) < 1331452760 49133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is there a specific language you have in mind?) < 1331452766 190327 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortle < 1331452814 907426 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-179.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452877 22649 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common pattern in quines seems to be to have a string that's displayed twice in different forms, e.g. once as an array of character codes and once as a string, or once raw and once with quote marks escaped, or something < 1331452904 887353 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-255.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452941 269509 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here i have q := "something with lots of escaped backslashes and quotes" and i need to iteratively create a version of q with all the escapes reinserted < 1331453143 724194 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way it's normally done. < 1331453174 147394 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this programming language is really sick, too (and it's my fault, i created it) < 1331453221 887930 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no minus operator, you need to store a value in 2 different places to be able to iteratively do anything with it, it's stack-based but without a swap operator... < 1331453255 570056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot more constraints than "a language that cannot do arithmetic on characters, nor convert integers to characters" < 1331453286 631343 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had a specific language with that property in mind < 1331453308 698896 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sortle is TC, though, assuming i wrote this program correctly (it seems to work): http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/src/bct.sort < 1331453655 689891 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331453671 271853 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331453694 312996 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-51.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331453927 998429 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454104 847953 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331454118 283679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454284 861420 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331454483 711812 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-130.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454608 121117 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454794 981083 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-130.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455088 69268 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-96.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331455124 833386 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455240 327214 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-37.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331455394 976129 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-96.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455514 980728 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-37.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331456493 737276 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331456627 891606 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-134-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331456674 300442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's Sunday, isn't it? < 1331456685 251364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Monday, I'm at work at the moment < 1331456688 611958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that < 1331456692 689763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was wondering why there was nobody here < 1331456804 988264 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-189.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331456826 44651 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, well done < 1331456829 974308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck DST. < 1331456838 930075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331456845 408168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:59 is followed by 03:00. :( < 1331456864 699912 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that happened to me too < 1331456873 393524 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an hour ago < 1331456890 15039 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it two hours ago? < 1331456940 929704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes ago here. < 1331457025 597070 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T minus 50 mins for me < 1331457184 639397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for eodermdrome, if a command has an input set, would it get a char from stdin, check it against the input set, then check if the match graph is a subgraph of the state? or should it check if the match is a subgraph before consuming input and continuing < 1331457194 166243 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just reading this eodermdrome page < 1331457221 702833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: it only consumes input if it matches, IIRC < 1331457234 171346 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting design haha < 1331457245 145858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, matches the input set too < 1331457256 609686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the input isn't in the input set, it isn't consumed even if the subgraph matches < 1331457369 589486 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok cool, and one more question: the ascii art graph uses pipes to connect the nodes, and the nice "initial state" picture uses single headed arrows.. are the edges one-way/directed? < 1331457384 234891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're undirected < 1331457453 863429 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think you'd ever be able to pull of an interpreter for this? haha < 1331457463 599368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to figure out how to do it efficiently < 1331457473 321896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC oklopol tried; I can't remember if he succeeded < 1331457473 850061 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine so < 1331457485 606572 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that's lost to the "mists of time" < 1331457490 661023 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gave up on it < 1331457698 881593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it did a thing. < 1331457719 378533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dug up some pastebin-ish snippets of it the other year. < 1331457723 554930 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was it the right thing? < 1331457754 607643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficiency wasn't part of the goals of that interpreter, I think. < 1331457844 283832 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think just getting something working would be a priority < 1331457848 738291 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's none at all < 1331457923 655148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-22 14:12:41 [2008-07-17 19:06:16] < oklopol> i implemented eodermdrome < 1331457946 904928 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331458025 150211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the only pasted bit I could find was http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p646231414.txt + http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p565155612.txt which doesn't look very complete. < 1331458034 877015 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-134-217.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331458136 933506 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1331458154 786948 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now don't take this seriously, but I think I'm gonna write a version < 1331458160 626839 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a small basis in Python as aprototype < 1331458163 233791 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prototype < 1331458522 744364 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally a change of subject, but: i think i have figured out how to write a quine in sortle! < 1331458551 763875 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: The last time I looked at this channel that was the subject. < 1331458558 222326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So from my perspective you haven't changed it at all. < 1331458570 569363 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect! < 1331458586 228732 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I heard you were scary, by the way. < 1331458590 41806 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you scary? < 1331458595 106687 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331458605 528509 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like a huggy little teddybear < 1331458609 138446 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely nonthreatening < 1331458609 440670 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said you were a scary, scary man. < 1331458612 167636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1331458629 525819 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was Alan Dipert? No, I think it was you. < 1331458634 59998 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, i don't know why he would be scared of me < 1331458662 725937 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than scared that i would fail to maintain the wiki properly when i hosted it < 1331458671 685614 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the same as being a scary man < 1331458785 386695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331458786 389844 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: have you written it yet? or is it just the idea for now? < 1331458797 101177 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is partially written < 1331458918 597582 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be 5 lines with the last line being really long < 1331458959 582817 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how feasible/infeasible Lispnomic would be < 1331458965 662622 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense than HaskellNomic, really < 1331459054 184349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaskellNomic? Not making it hard enough. < 1331459060 985887 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-248.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331459069 908127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86BinaryOnBiosNomic < 1331459119 91825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, heck, let's make it worse. < 1331459122 795252 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86BiosNomic < 1331459150 928021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snack nomic, esme nomic < 1331459205 298385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESME!!!!!!!!! < 1331459206 711998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your turn < 1331459312 822769 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-204.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331459388 491243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331459425 990064 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-248.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331459466 695284 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that his name is Dagoth Ur < 1331459470 813752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have eaten as a snack right 2 people. Happy?" < 1331459474 451595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean? < 1331459484 38930 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snack. right. < 1331459498 912966 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that his langauge skills fail in more than just programming? < 1331459519 708320 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/langauge/language/ oops < 1331459537 620253 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, sweet irony. < 1331459546 384298 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks. < 1331459605 107522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that the Dagoth at Esolang has the comma in a different place from the Dagoth in Morrowind < 1331459722 827583 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I googled "Dagoth Ur, Mad God" in quotes < 1331459729 356225 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of various wiki user pages for him < 1331459743 193987 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even realise that there was a comma < 1331459794 254868 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from one of the results' snippets in the search: "Dagoth Ur, Mad God, also known as Jhjnju, DUMG, or simply Dagoth, is an Australian troll and vandal." < 1331459808 406675 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only saw Esme tonight < 1331460020 481972 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331460371 749542 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaan this quine runs SLOW < 1331460390 396273 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to go through a long loop replacing all the escaped characters < 1331460394 220203 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a huge string < 1331460430 284399 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see how the example bitwise cyclic tag interpreter code for eodermdrome should work out.. the first move leaves us with the graph "miewehit" and no other actions' math graphs are subgraphs of that < 1331460550 317302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… miewehit has a triangle (formed by ieh), once of whose corners is connected to two degree-one nodes, one of whose corners is connected to one degree-one node < 1331460555 45542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the letters aren't part of the graph itself < 1331460566 386655 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSS < 1331460568 316561 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quine works! < 1331460574 850128 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1331460601 841142 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes 714 expression evaluations and like 5 minutes to execute, but it prints its own goddamn source exactly < 1331460613 22413 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: ahah anice < 1331460622 812532 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: k thanks. I'm trying to look into this more < 1331460666 423828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and byanad buguramat requires a degree-at-least-3 node connected to two degree-exactly-one nodes, and to be connected by a degree-exactly-two node to any other node < 1331460683 237338 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: what language? < 1331460690 993885 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortle I believe < 1331460701 423896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the (1) and (0) lines should both match the initial state < 1331460723 445257 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah, sortle < 1331460754 126242 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok I think I see what you mean. I just gotta draw this stuff out haha < 1331460778 122732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: there are some ASCII art drawings linked from the article, might save you the trouble < 1331460886 204801 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hah I've gotta read the Wiki article on Graph isomorphism now as well. I'm not very well versed in this stuff at all < 1331460892 910755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wait, I wonder if elliott will let us create Category:Shameful now. < 1331460902 127882 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this quine is awesome < 1331460908 349994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's funnier as a redlink < 1331460912 830751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: link? < 1331460958 302695 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331461007 538824 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hold on, i made a slight modification to make it shorter < 1331461021 887589 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i have to test it to make sure i didn't mess up (it took 2m39s to run last time) < 1331461024 845708 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll upload < 1331461138 912095 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331461237 567495 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/2126776 < 1331461275 885487 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1331461343 25677 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run it using http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/impl/sortle.pl < 1331461358 546036 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other interpreter written in C is hopelessly buggy, so it won't work < 1331461387 905719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes perhaps Category:Shameful is better as a link to a nonexistent page < 1331461634 839919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the most basic level of ephemeris software interface would be a function taking a date/time, major object number, and minor object number as input; and as output you have three sets of XYZ coordinates: the center, the north pole, and the longitude reference. And then apply other geometry and trigonometry and whatever to make up the other stuff it should be sufficient, even for rotation. < 1331461686 51326 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-250.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331461723 892305 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you make it work as version for marsians too? :P < 1331461776 172725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: The way I have described it, yes it works for Martians too. But I do not know of implementation of such a thing as this, however. < 1331461795 31546 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-204.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331461922 578176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be easy enough to subtract XYZ coordinates to center it on any planet, sun, or moon; from there you can convert to angles. < 1331462348 274397 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1331462804 595963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I don't really know a lot about ephemeris calculations; I am simply describing a programming interface which could be implemented by any ephemeris program, and then everything else can be defined in a common way from that. < 1331462816 254527 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331462863 536098 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Updating to TenFourFox 11 < 1331463029 739885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possible things to implement in terms of the basic function: sidereal time, apparent positions (taking speed of light into account), precession, ecliptic and equatorial coordinates, houses, phase of moon, horizon coordinates, etc) < 1331463119 503178 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331463427 817215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class EphemerisClass x where { openEphemeris :: String -> IO x; closeEphemeris :: x -> IO (); accessEphemeris :: EphTime -> ObjMajor -> ObjMinor -> x -> IO (Either EphemerisError (XYZ, XYZ, XYZ)); }; data Ephemeris = Ephemeris { getEphemeris :: forall x. EphemerisClass x => x }; might be specification of this interface in Haskell. < 1331463844 398823 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331464291 275344 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME tzxn3 < 1331464298 839998 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZXN3: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331464351 563953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZXN3, THAT LINK IS BROKEN, YOU SHOULD GO TO http://ESOLANGS.ORG/wiki/Main_Page INSTEAD. < 1331464367 310580 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE WE SHOUTING < 1331464379 838416 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE WE CAN < 1331464380 696135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE ALL ANGRY < 1331464437 256097 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not < 1331464594 462952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT ABOUT PIERS MORGAN < 1331464599 948179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU BE ANGRY WHILE HE LIVES < 1331464607 177125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOT BE ANGRY < 1331464978 606983 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care < 1331464985 836999 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-232.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465000 410426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(welcome MoALTz) < 1331465139 70715 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-250.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331465327 49981 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465435 554598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-99.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331465447 63677 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-232.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331465541 651200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465561 395397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331465831 571223 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitaneb. Did you see the most reeetn update? < 1331465854 295197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Lord English? < 1331465868 496925 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331465877 433056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have < 1331465895 748806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Andrew Hussie's avatar is going to be killed < 1331466330 482576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a particularly insightful theory, given that LE was holding his severed head. < 1331466341 86787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was!? < 1331466368 521970 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/128272 does this make any sense? < 1331466371 327711 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it doesn't < 1331466387 616903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aif? < 1331466392 157411 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaphoric if < 1331466401 260453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Robot Hussie. < 1331466405 899507 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usual definitions just mean doing the test and letting it be the result of the test. < 1331466410 246845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot Hussie may not be Hussie < 1331466414 683671 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This definition does something rather different, as far as I can tell < 1331466433 709674 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using it within the body of the else, unless I'm mistaken, will result in the test being executed again. < 1331466453 63309 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that it even runs, considering ... oh, it will run < 1331466475 139509 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, no wonder the name Andrew Hussie sounded familiar. He’s half of the group who made http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CCCF2C09E92679B < 1331466487 697246 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s his avatar? < 1331466534 420846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character in MS Paint Adventures, which he writes < 1331466753 283168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant i stop < 1331466754 394997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch < 1331466831 856044 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wrote a digital root program in sortle < 1331466864 608414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331466876 428925 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's got a digital root, quine, BCT implementation and fibonacci < 1331466887 510858 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too shabby < 1331466898 478259 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/src/digroot.sort < 1331467035 645697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331467042 712029 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1331467072 134749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1331467077 51478 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have looked at your work on qdeql with great interest < 1331467088 755720 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with particularly great comprehension < 1331467090 689652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331467094 239623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :P < 1331467159 652464 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the precise flaw in my 6-year-old reasoning for declaring it not TC? < 1331467211 374022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i could see, the idea that you couldn't get back to a spot without knowing the precise length of queue to traverse < 1331467223 491672 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you do that? < 1331467277 682535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my first idea after realizing that weakness was that if you have a string of an unknown number of copies of 255 0 0, then you can pass over all of them with \\/\// < 1331467299 56832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you will notice that's the default command for the data section in the table) < 1331467305 143538 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331467421 464300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a problem with that, though - it gobbles up a 0 at the end, which is awkward to replace. the entire factory construction grew out of the attempt to replenish that zero. (i'm still not entirely convinced there isn't a simpler way.) < 1331467469 171152 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see... you have an arbitrary length string of "nonzero 0 0", terminated by an extra 0 < 1331467510 843399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the factory had other advantages, it can both be adjusted to produce almost as many zeros as you want, and it can absorb garbage 255's at the other end. < 1331467560 189557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yep. < 1331467597 278289 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular reason you use numbers other than 255 and 0? < 1331467675 144138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yes, the factory depends on being able to get _rid_ of its 255 again, which can only be done by decrementing them. < 1331467682 36557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*255's < 1331467713 975563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the only way to "release" the zeros at produces at the left end. < 1331467806 864782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my problem was that the only way to produce zeros is to the right of a non-zero, which doesn't help when you want to supply zeros toward the left. < 1331467821 573868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it produces < 1331467840 212435 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331467915 860041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have not found a way to produce them fast using just non-zeros at the end of the data loop, but i haven't proved that it's completely impossible, either.) < 1331467923 387112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fast enough < 1331467934 829811 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "fast enough"? < 1331468005 14729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast enought to replenish what the data loop gobbles up. < 1331468013 202186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t < 1331468116 327515 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your bf to qdeql translator fully complete/correct now? < 1331468178 554127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, yes. it's for a fixed (but arbitrary) number of cells, as stated. also it will crash if you try to decrement a 0. (i _can_ fix that but it makes - take two cycles instead of one.) < 1331468222 913227 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's really cool < 1331468305 999409 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to translate infinite cells with fixed size to finite cells with infinite size easily? < 1331468342 695562 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question i was thinking about (but s/infinite/unbounded/g) < 1331468349 670842 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am currently working on that < 1331468352 870804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's a link to such a construction in the brainfuck article, i think < 1331468411 580966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: however there is probably a more direct way, though. you could make the data section have the form 255 0 b1 255 0 0 b2 ... instead, and pass over with \\/\/=/. < 1331468466 175585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured that would make each brainfuck command more complicated though - with a two-stack construction, you need a multi-cycle loop just to move bytes for a > or < < 1331468486 262264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331468495 641505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*255 0 0 b1 255 0 0 b2 ... < 1331468515 47762 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b1 and b2 would be two adjacent bytes on bf's tape? < 1331468519 577768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331468549 86242 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1331468563 137302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the stacks would probably store 255 0 0 -b1 instead, that makes copying slightly more efficient i think. < 1331468583 835708 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck article has frans faase's reduction from 5-register UTMs in 5-cell bf, and your reduction from iterated collatz functions to 3-cell bf < 1331468603 641941 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no procedure to translate from unbounded-cell bf to n-cell bf < 1331468629 211778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've seen it, maybe it is linked from faase's page? < 1331468654 166129 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to do integer division by 2 with bf using 2 cells? < 1331468678 215735 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: from a quick look doesn't seem to be < 1331468786 62582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: try my [[Collatz function]] converter, it can do that. < 1331468908 620360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn now faase's pages don't load < 1331468931 415603 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have http://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_Turing.html up < 1331468952 821285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i got it < 1331469159 893765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: i guess he starts with turing machines, although translating from bounded cell bf to turing machines is sort of trivial. < 1331469400 669045 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331469763 894387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it may be he's just handling _one_ particular TM. < 1331470041 432093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by trivial i mean: make each position in the bf program a TM state, and then the transition table basically writes itself.) < 1331470088 418435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make each byte value a symbol. < 1331470629 439335 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a conversion table from infinite 1bit cells bf to 3 unbound cells bf and now my brain hurts < 1331470665 373769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331470685 428785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: perhaps interleaving the 1bit cells for each unbound cell? < 1331470713 833487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary would also make it easier, i think. < 1331470766 515434 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oearjan: I tried to create a tape using two stacks but it didn't really work, because I couldn't get moving item from stack to another work < 1331470818 527264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait _from_ infinite 1bit, hm. < 1331470844 195759 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed at least 6 cells < 1331470879 159658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: if you want to go down to 3 cells, you need to go via something like fractran. < 1331470910 970639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mind you it's still awkward. i still don't know how to do arbitrary _output_. < 1331470924 242899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any interleaved input/output.) < 1331471169 92738 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before you got here, i was working on a DIFFERENT language i invented in 2005, sortle < 1331471179 150058 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here are the fruits of my labors: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sortle#Examples < 1331471359 788005 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty happy about that quine < 1331471562 17595 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep time < 1331471574 527561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1331471870 471551 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the bf to qdeql cell number limit fixed to 3 cells or can it use be limited to any given number of cells < 1331471956 492554 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what have you done? http://www.nature.com/news/lsd-helps-to-treat-alcoholism-1.10200 < 1331471972 117612 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The study1, by neuroscientist Teri Krebs and clinical psychologist Pål-Ørjan Johansen of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, is the first-ever quantitative meta-analysis of LSD–alcoholism clinical trials. < 1331471976 153740 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472000 866235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr seeing that Pål-Ørjan guy when googling myself < 1331472035 712735 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331472054 321024 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burden of being the namesake of a celebrity < 1331472058 966032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: any fixed number, the haskell converter takes it as a command line argument. < 1331472066 541079 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472072 337959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important thing is cheater wasn't googling you, rather he was seeking a cure for his alcoholism < 1331472168 614107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: mind you the higher the number, the more the translation blows up (because it often has to rotate through all the cells before doing another real action) < 1331472249 647687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wasn't false's TCnes also proven just recently? < 1331472260 202138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's was a site effect of the underload one, actually < 1331472265 27659 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just reading HN < 1331472269 888190 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't drink alcohol at all < 1331472300 164497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1331472325 237522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1331472885 776218 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472888 566005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331473662 451032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/God < 1331473683 115182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Star Trek universe, God is represented primarily through the medium of passport photos. < 1331473719 181402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _all_ passport photos, surely. < 1331473845 255319 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaka when the walls fell < 1331473951 290114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how better to know the mind, or at least the face unobscured by hair and glasses, of God? < 1331473961 989828 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved the southpark version of god, who himself pretends to be a buddhist < 1331474335 300371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331474338 171301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :822) I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331474340 412059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :words to live by. < 1331474694 640369 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what got you interested in qdeql? < 1331474719 831738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: your edit where you added the FSA category :P < 1331474798 189145 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, when i did that i was basing it off the article text that said qdeql was equivalent to smetana < 1331474831 339583 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at the time, i could have sworn was written by chris pressey < 1331474850 268737 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i viewed the history and saw that paragraph was actually written by me, i was astonished < 1331474966 84958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much ironic < 1331474991 543142 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i wouldn't have been so quick to assume it was accurate, if i knew i had written it myself < 1331475037 473989 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331476331 147705 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331476520 582634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331477469 625825 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [PROG][WRITE:"Hello, world!"][ENDPROG] < 1331477546 731565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to write with? bfnG ['?' for help]: < 1331477581 95205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ground twigs. < 1331478568 117868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get some very weird google image search responses for bfn < 1331478572 742195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^bfng < 1331478845 315969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331478907 988737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331479066 807662 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (not.flip elem "aeiou") "befunge" < 1331479068 233642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bfng" < 1331479187 789882 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331479273 92194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331481142 526576 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1331481160 375950 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331484674 525909 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i search the log again? < 1331484692 471581 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1331484822 578806 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log *elliott*cicadas* < 1331484825 595683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat < 1331484836 826754 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log cicadas* < 1331484844 14254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-04-26.txt:07:29:25: Could be worse. Could be Oklahoma, and get a bunch of cicadas flying in... < 1331484866 908864 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use wildcards? < 1331485021 75615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wildcards, but regexps < 1331485042 158622 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thank you < 1331485135 732350 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485151 461739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:16:58:55: `log .*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485170 149778 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine! < 1331485177 933575 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1331485183 424540 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: `log *elliott*cicadas* look like it's using wildcards < 1331485328 332715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put square brackets around one of the letters to avoid accessing itself < 1331485376 675645 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[hagb4rd].*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485409 528296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331485452 820365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, around a single letter. < 1331485457 745668 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log *[hagb4rd]*elliott*cicadas* < 1331485460 825809 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat < 1331485485 395276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[h]agb4rd.*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485501 88964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:17:04:17: `log *[hagb4rd]*elliott*cicadas* < 1331485582 378091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log PROCEDURE DIVISION. SEARCH 'cicadas'. STOP RUN. < 1331485586 643526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does cobol too < 1331485589 85205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:17:06:22: `log PROCEDURE DIVISION. SEARCH 'cicadas'. STOP RUN. < 1331485613 536575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it works just as well as wildcards :> < 1331485643 573918 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[!4].*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485661 96967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:16:53:42: `log *elliott*cicadas* < 1331485680 231465 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the regexp for NOT < 1331485686 220489 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh < 1331486026 459601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331486092 385702 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-101.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331487720 636691 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331487834 502839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shameful? < 1331488080 52893 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331488759 529579 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489247 433361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489431 902270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-101.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331489669 127197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489712 812071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just created [[Category:Shameful]] again... < 1331489824 202746 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where we put terrible BF derivatives? < 1331489877 767813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, [[Category:Shameful]] has far more stringent standards (and does not officially exist). < 1331489884 221196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Shameful < 1331490194 805331 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310102926] < 1331490266 599922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not is what we have not got! < 1331490671 699933 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the page say? < 1331490724 96111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, it was "Yes, shameful.". < 1331490730 954733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time, it was "Ain't it a shame?". < 1331490787 155904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:11:31: `WELCOME tzxn3 < 1331490787 342989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:11:38: TZXN3: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331490787 529611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:12:31: TZXN3, THAT LINK IS BROKEN, YOU SHOULD GO TO http://ESOLANGS.ORG/wiki/Main_Page INSTEAD. < 1331490791 586238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HE'S BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU IDIOT < 1331490794 753055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE CAME FROM THE WIKI < 1331490810 910707 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331490829 394319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME SGEO < 1331490833 295019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGEO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331490865 624585 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That link is still broken < 1331490907 654591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331490938 358886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, fizzie, can I call upon your superpowers? < 1331490951 879344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DID YOU CREATE [[CATEGORY:SHAMEFUL]]? < 1331490964 584064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331491055 958785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY. < 1331491077 753425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use whois? < 1331491180 768464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EH? < 1331491215 606980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must have a log of who created it. < 1331491245 982176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331491272 317027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it either gives a username or an IP? < 1331491303 203147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP. WHICH IS WHY I ASKED < 1331491316 890715 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU SHOULD ADD A REDIRECT FOR THAT ONE URL JUST SO THAT `WELCOME WORKS BETTER. < 1331491327 971409 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm competing with you in nick length now. < 1331491335 779323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so whoising the IP should show if it's an Edinburgh address or not. < 1331491341 383948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, who were you before? < 1331491346 686212 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor < 1331491348 816089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or Friendship < 1331491350 73561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1331491365 155478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST AS I HAD PLANNED ALL ALONG < 1331491370 163738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ASKING YOU WAS EASIER. < 1331491381 277450 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discovery that this nick was free brought great joy to me and my aviator's helmet. < 1331491382 147665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I ALREADY SAID THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE IT A (READ-ONLY) VIEW ONTO THE WIKI WHERE EVERYTHING IS UPPERCASED. < 1331491401 889600 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSS < 1331491404 869292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ANYONE KNOWS A PROGRAM FOR TRANSFORMING HTML IN THIS WAY (WITHOUT E.G. DISTURBING THE CONTENTS OF SCRIPT TAGS), PLEASE LET ME KNOW. < 1331491499 844144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I COULD WRITE ONE IN JAVASCRIPT HYUK HYUK < 1331491503 535010 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Client-side) < 1331491517 229724 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use webfonts < 1331491532 859975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. use a font where lower-case characters look uppercase < 1331491535 771437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: FORBIDDEN < 1331491537 225221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Laaaaame, wouldn't copypaste right. < 1331491542 855734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh wait, I can just text-transform: uppercase... < 1331491545 514208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what RocketJSquirrel said. < 1331492010 792028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unclear on whether f.lux even works on non-APT systems. < 1331492017 958168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is supported for. < 1331492024 112985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, it definitely depends integrally on a package manager. < 1331492031 161019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses it to tell the time. < 1331492101 868857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41229 < 1331492112 725687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no my name was mentioned. Is something the up? < 1331492121 223574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, *is distributed for < 1331492132 188583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it was obvious what I meant. < 1331492144 181576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We'r arest you. < 1331492149 604445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorey. < 1331492210 610341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ou nou. < 1331492270 561641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you use your awesome powers to glue the entire Reddit Epic Thread into one page? < 1331492282 133082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, I was going to do that. < 1331492293 774055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YOUR POWERS ARE NOT AS AWESOME AS FIZZIE'S < 1331492308 990841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was supposed to, already, but got sidetracked and forgot. < 1331492320 371440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Keep forgetting! < 1331492322 775839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are no longer a MAN < 1331492339 334564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it sounds slightly familiar. < 1331492345 516425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Children will laugh at you and your woman will leave you for an elf. < 1331492359 436358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's illegal to remember something if the person reminding you only remembered it because they saw me mention it. < 1331492364 433191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he is more manly than you (not because she was a lesbian, that wouldn't be as bad). < 1331492445 688904 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331492568 587142 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331492659 112222 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331492682 84348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers that the f.lux from that package has no documentation. < 1331492683 268705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1331492719 699563 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use redshift, it has a man page. < 1331492740 11510 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-145.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331492773 137654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1331492779 584370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to uninstall packages. < 1331492841 741507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: * Phantom_Hoover discovers that the f.lux from that package has no documentation. < 1331492846 336290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just run the GUI? < 1331492892 93456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pacman -Ql flux-gui | grep '/bin' < 1331492896 988612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run the one that isn't xflux or whatever. < 1331493674 684598 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331493772 908472 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331494386 811209 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331495234 187766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1331495249 292533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you write broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses o_O < 1331495274 623027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wound kinda thing. < 1331495327 827484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruises < 1331495354 755082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1331495379 911474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331495384 150196 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331495514 890380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruges < 1331495515 117390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331495519 637683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331495598 499889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :English most be the only language in which it nearly impossible to get the writing from the reading :) < 1331495602 10349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*must < 1331495606 837570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is < 1331495640 576267 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what do you mean? < 1331495675 530646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to many things which almost sound identical. < 1331495709 210272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure, broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses would be pronounced almost exactly like bruises ;) < 1331495721 104565 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like too and to? < 1331495755 808535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridges, britches < 1331495760 560567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that. < 1331495776 151421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically < 1331495787 330956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone tells you a word, which es not an actual english word < 1331495791 570676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you write it correctly? < 1331495804 386444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means, you have to guess the writing from the pronounciation. < 1331495816 617884 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what is your native language? < 1331495824 2138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :German. < 1331495888 696972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not german ;) < 1331495922 671458 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. My native language is Finnish, and I have never really had that much of a problem with it < 1331495947 145248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never would have thought of "bruises" < 1331495965 484966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for "broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses, bruzes" and more. < 1331495979 771502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean. < 1331495988 885464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I hear an english word, I can't look it up in a dictionary. < 1331495990 877757 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "brooses" gives "Showing results for bruises" < 1331496011 96933 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brooses are adult fans of Rocky and Bullwinkle. < 1331496016 755571 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decree it. < 1331496022 792805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I know what it means and how it is pronounced, I can't derive the writing. < 1331496038 363922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to derive the spelling of a word from its pronunciation in general in English < 1331496044 152686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like you're missing anything < 1331496060 136093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what Deewiant said, you can throw a terribly phonetically-pronounced word into Google and it'll usually correct it :P < 1331496062 757831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That drives me crazy :( < 1331496075 186066 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for natural languages < 1331496095 582578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496099 664925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331496105 857187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1331496129 538070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you have spelling bees ;) < 1331496136 29138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would make no sense in german. < 1331496145 316570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a possible pun < 1331496145 645593 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can usually do that. I have no idea why, but it is almost allways correct < 1331496240 527116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: That's not really "deriving" so much as intuition... sure, there are guidelines, but no hard rules :P < 1331496268 25672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496280 68945 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331496306 835658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: YOU SHOULD ADD A REDIRECT FOR THAT ONE URL JUST SO THAT `WELCOME WORKS BETTER. <-- /me agrees with RocketJSquirrel < 1331496340 850068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See the later, better idea that I already planned :P < 1331496351 648940 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496357 392222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, you're going to make it work for all wiki urls. < 1331496375 16649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i half-guessed that even before you answered) < 1331496397 541101 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are esolang's pages case-sensitive? < 1331496409 779288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, except for the first letter < 1331496417 91412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same as Wikipedia) < 1331496432 458892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1331496436 7107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me guess, you're going to make it work for all wiki urls. < 1331496445 370678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but also I'm going to make it uppercase all the text on the page < 1331496456 412408 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1331496462 61760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331496482 223142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: because it's /WIKI/ < 1331496519 790840 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone uses /WiKi/ ? < 1331496545 611896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they suck. < 1331496560 788618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThAt CoUlD gEt AwKwArD < 1331496569 815448 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone uses /fast/? You'll have to translate all the pages from Hawaiian to English. < 1331496593 626682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why does POSIX have recursive mutexes? Because of a dare. (groups.google.com)" < 1331496593 816190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has to be good. < 1331496733 636454 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496733 876791 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331496836 170699 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1331496912 345585 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496921 663708 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1331496930 802745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME LAMENT < 1331496934 204445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMENT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331496956 530693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the link still doesn't work, blame elliott < 1331497056 280371 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gladly < 1331497059 280423 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497196 342843 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331497294 579701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the elliott still doesn't work, blame the link. < 1331497310 575665 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t blame elliott, blame ELLIOTT. < 1331497348 547833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lament for ion. < 1331497410 999113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls when "blame canada" was nominated for an oscar < 1331497436 383472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott wasn't born then. or maybe barely. < 1331497462 216495 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as unclefuka < 1331497474 531875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet been born. < 1331497591 312468 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to? < 1331497608 371749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be born? No. < 1331497610 316762 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-174.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497632 787854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thank you, I was hoping someone other than me would take care of that message. < 1331497640 825213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1331497641 627615 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :message? < 1331497655 634624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on Talk:ehird < 1331497658 250949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Ehird#.22this_category_doesn.27t_exist.2C_so_it_shouldn.27t_need_a_page.22 < 1331497662 862466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in resp. to (Deletion log); 18:24 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs | block)‎ deleted "Category:Shameful" (this category doesn't exist, so it shouldn't need a page) < 1331497669 245404 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1331497678 317448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I shouldn't have asked, found it myself < 1331497707 357190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to sacrifice three innocent souls to give you those links. :( < 1331497741 173927 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category:Shameful should just redirect to Category:Unimplemented < 1331497742 27320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inefficient. < 1331497785 184862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus making Eodermdrome shameful, but not Snack. < 1331497793 604689 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331497816 256660 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497857 966314 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: the only problem is some shameful languages are (shamefully) implemented < 1331497898 628988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331498020 29907 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't someone working on FURScript implementation on Visual Basic? < 1331498062 825006 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should implement Esme. < 1331498069 573958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person who designed this language was 100% serious about it and the vb6 compiler, but I think he got as far as a text box and a copyright notice before going back to programming his graphics calculator. --Einsidler 10:44, 24 Nov 2006 (UTC) < 1331498122 264425 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha "[DIRFORMAT="DIRECTORY","BYPASSSECURITY?"]" < 1331498171 301397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone talked to 'EvincarOfAutumn' at all recently? He made Alchemy in 2008 and it was quite a neat setting I think < 1331498191 393045 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331498309 103572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i didn't really notice him disappearing < 1331498321 196741 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-174.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331498337 569778 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his page still says he wants to get back into it, but it was last updated 4 years ago < 1331498353 854822 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna try to contact him to ask a bit more about Alchemy. Would be fun to write an interpreter for it < 1331498357 606966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we've seen evincar more recently than that, on irc < 1331498376 925096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331498382 965467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331498429 767651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs evincar < 1331498434 848147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26714 < 1331498449 810650 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. I'm just checking google and he has a twitter so I can contact him there < 1331498465 247573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh it cut off due to too many lines < 1331498504 866134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs -!- evincar < 1331498512 818070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27434 < 1331498542 453215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was here a month ago < 1331498547 785203 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just noticed the Feb 1th < 1331498551 106633 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17th * < 1331498563 655265 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1331498711 30980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i recall he did was an argument substitution language that couldn't possibly work because of extreme ambiguity < 1331498773 133429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably been years since that too < 1331498816 666604 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime I'll get around to asking him some questions about Alchemy that I think aren't detailed properly / are missing on the Wiki page for it < 1331498827 385701 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe I'd write an interpreter for it < 1331498934 684507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm i didn't really notice him disappearing < 1331498947 303331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could say he got sick of us, if you wanted to reverse the subject and object of the truth. < 1331498981 760461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time he was in here was after a very wrong blog post of his got on reddit. < 1331498983 466087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diplomatic is very elliott. < 1331499016 666097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that one < 1331499264 836764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan, I've made you an administrator so you can ensure [[Category:Shameful]]'s continued nonexistence! < 1331499275 150106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1331499285 849957 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just make it a special case in the source code < 1331499309 439858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there any kind of protection against creation? < 1331499334 84904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can protect pages that don't exist... but that would be official recognition. < 1331499340 501549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331499361 925464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most tricky, this < 1331499435 862192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could ban deletion by default, and then permit every other possible page title in existence. < 1331499456 132973 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to suggest that < 1331499575 618121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made oerjan an administrator so he can get right on doing that. < 1331499610 215628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1331499877 886103 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331501261 590354 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331501395 637728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331503821 110583 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-154.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504404 868747 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504539 145296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boop < 1331504627 630575 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1331504647 885095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloop < 1331504701 473125 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blappity < 1331504781 482007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bang < 1331504810 580947 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1331504826 182674 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-121.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504971 687009 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-154.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331505033 453325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505044 370646 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331505140 926022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331505355 781920 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505604 717774 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331505641 575627 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505689 270685 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331506227 914839 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331506235 58171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331506253 648477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now much expanded qdeql translation explanation < 1331506275 314902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it remains to be seen if anyone can understand it now. < 1331506339 569037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, someone tell User:JiminP about preview. < 1331506470 592234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how goes, epic thread, map < 1331506811 251379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-15.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331506815 845265 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331507122 212674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok. the someone is: you! < 1331507130 231813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331507877 554966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1331507885 392320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331508629 831309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok seriously yell at him < 1331508638 286961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how he's started to mark some of them as minor < 1331508923 69558 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-121.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331508923 304069 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-31.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331509269 37025 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.