< 1331769704 452116 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take kmc out of #haskell, but you can't take #haskell out of kmc('s surroundings). < 1331769784 171003 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that already < 1331769797 380741 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a 90's American/Canadian cartoon series called "The Peer Pressure Show for Kids" < 1331769812 24169 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the title amazing, but can't find any other information on it. < 1331770136 922432 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-206-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I certainly didn't see it. < 1331770179 36141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331770181 422455 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible that somebody snuck it into a list as a joke, and it's just a phantom show that's floated about the interwebs ever since. < 1331770230 452952 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the altered state of drugachusetts < 1331770263 915636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I understand monads better by seeing >>= as a shortcut to use fmap and join together; other people might understand it better the other way around. < 1331770323 350604 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understanf a >>= b as x = a; b x < 1331770325 502953 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331770328 393526 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x <- a < 1331770334 585061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, Kleisli morphisms is another valid way to do it. < 1331770337 933739 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But nobody understands Barrier Monads better than you. < 1331770380 919016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Much later after designing Barrier monad, I discovered, on paper, that it is really the free monad of the indexed store comonad. < 1331770435 960353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes it is the same as do { x <- a; b x; } in case you prefer to think of it like that; but I don't like do-notation. < 1331770491 968948 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x <- a) >> b x :p < 1331770506 268002 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That doesn't make sense. < 1331770523 507320 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1331770553 783409 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "<-" is part of do-notation; it's meaningless on its own. < 1331770712 621455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware the ides of march < 1331770741 782258 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1331770952 1482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-206-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That championofbirds interview is quite strange. < 1331771020 135342 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: NORLY < 1331771043 808721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY A GNARLY NOVELTY < 1331771085 974483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented some optional rules for D&D, where there is an age penalty for being resurrected, and which the alignment entries in creature stat blocks are only superstition (with a few exceptions: angels, demons, devils, normal animals with NN align, and nongood mindless undead). < 1331771112 813515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using both of these rules makes the game more interesting in my opinion. < 1331771454 688933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331772720 272324 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331775212 938221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have come to the tragic conclusion that The Peer Pressure Show for Kids does not actually exist. < 1331776874 230818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331776917 994522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1331777317 834737 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95941.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331778769 821234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331778904 369936 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331779020 673068 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331779122 895412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1331780312 265423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-206-92.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331780315 198726 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331781098 260372 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. You could cite Magic against the patent on tapping that WotC has. < 1331781116 925460 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Magic was released over 2 years prior to the patent's filing date. < 1331781217 123263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how prior art works < 1331781222 9463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced the patent on tapping is enforceable anyway < 1331781225 835301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in the US, yes < 1331781240 802109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that it exists is sufficient to let their lawyers scare people < 1331781265 410618 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In the US, yes, prior publication more than a year prior to filing suffices to estabilish that the patent is invalid. < 1331781302 320280 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, because the patent office does not do due dilegence on the filing (they take years, and rubber-stamp), in practice you can patent anything. < 1331781313 293127 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the US is in practice a money-wins jurisdiction. < 1331781601 48174 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: DACHGESCHOSS < 1331781605 270514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The patent may expire in a few years. < 1331781632 681189 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331781647 970293 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't WotC own Magic now, anyway? < 1331781666 239859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always have. < 1331781675 270209 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Expires 2015. < 1331781689 534374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the patent has Richard Garfield's name on it? < 1331781712 655407 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inventor is Richard Garfield, assignee is WotC. < 1331781734 486757 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused how a product that WotC owns could be used to undermine one of its own patents. Then again, I know shit all about patent law < 1331781765 148427 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: If something is published before your patent is filed, it invalidates your patent. Even if you are the publisher. < 1331781772 650381 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1331781774 583885 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd < 1331781774 964060 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a fundamental concept in US patent law. < 1331781782 882238 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fundamental oddity < 1331781794 834276 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it makes sense when you put it that way < 1331781816 151780 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I tihnk if you publish it, you can still file within a year. < 1331781816 447393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331781881 273991 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slowly turns his head and just stares at lambadablot blankly for a few seconds. < 1331781897 548592 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't understand dramatic tension < 1331781898 252821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambadablot? < 1331781924 372759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yeah, but this patent was filed *2* years late. :) < 1331781975 266265 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lamb dab ot? < 1331782019 245343 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I see. That is late. < 1331782035 457497 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What patent are you talkign about, anyway? < 1331782047 972232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: The tapping patent. < 1331782070 117653 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tohught they had a patent on collectable cards in general somehow. < 1331782074 991114 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1331782081 166377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was a patent on tapping. < 1331782160 249295 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wonderous things await us once anyone can card tap. < 1331782282 730448 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lambdabot: check the messages < 1331782293 850863 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait you told me how to check them. < 1331782719 467770 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, monqy has been UPDATEd. < 1331782940 547083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard is already 167 pages long and is still not complete. It is a very complicated program with many features, a terse syntax, and no GUI (one of its features is it is supposed to have no GUI). < 1331783152 702279 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroid - I now want to find a way to use analogy as an excuse to call something "mathematical metroids". < 1331783468 3404 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, matroids seem like some pretty weird things. I think I'll like them. :p < 1331784229 281175 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1331784845 822491 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MSleep < 1331785345 386621 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331786068 807416 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331786715 699448 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 QUIT : < 1331788097 685935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-2.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331788114 31686 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331788770 877257 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331788980 58706 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331791061 413580 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331792109 592793 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331792283 114921 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-2.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331792370 111792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1331792944 555220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Did you have a question for (or about) me? < 1331793131 502126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-218.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331793241 370530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331795004 322064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331795773 338819 :CEZW!~user--@218.242.156.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331795773 679876 :CEZW!~user--@218.242.156.180 NOTICE #esoteric :Join #remy my nigga #remy < 1331795773 841927 :CEZW!~user--@218.242.156.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im getting nude look at me here http://sexylili.hpage.com/ < 1331795773 842172 :CEZW!~user--@218.242.156.180 PART :#esoteric < 1331795906 126301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do we get spambots in /here/? < 1331795984 247434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my connection keeps dropping. yes i have a question for you. < 1331796038 390446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is the easiest way to group things in TeX so they get laid out normally except that pages will only break between them and not in the middle of them? < 1331796104 781297 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331796595 862823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Put them inside of a \vbox is one way. < 1331796612 351451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331796651 458200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However that won't make the glue inside of the box necessarily correspond to the glue outside of the box. < 1331796690 602518 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331796847 634064 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I've been here for a while. I'm basically a spambot for PSOX. < 1331796902 130663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we mocked that out of you < 1331796946 530346 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among the bot's weaknesses are continuing a humorous line of conversation. < 1331796969 106650 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an unexpected reply occurs, the bot is unable to successfully respond. < 1331797142 710992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331797586 761539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Does it work for what you are doing? < 1331798016 577345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Maybe the spammers have been discouraged by problems with spamming the new wiki, and have decided to bring it here instead. < 1331798016 977368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331800437 305322 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331800437 504240 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1331802733 746450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331803631 185738 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331803728 711158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what computational class is bLOOP? Do you know? < 1331803728 982363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331803732 978550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331803733 217119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 1h 35m 16s ago: Maybe the spammers have been discouraged by problems with spamming the new wiki, and have decided to bring it here instead. < 1331803823 355888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you mean BlooP, then yes I know, but I don't know what it is called. < 1331803844 32701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I meant < 1331803846 970916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, ah, OK < 1331803853 204474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of know what class it is too, but don't know the name either < 1331804598 9042 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331805377 944710 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331805579 20633 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331805704 270380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O @TeXnicard < 1331806085 750844 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331806096 346485 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331807171 740038 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331807626 277154 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1331807757 986381 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331808804 187390 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331809270 76269 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331809535 762358 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Client Quit < 1331810075 694250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331810602 596612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331811215 931354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331811907 800743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331812557 114379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: what computational class is bLOOP? Do you know? < 1331812575 352952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive recursive functions is what i heard, and wikipedia agrees < 1331812606 251944 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never thought that the hardest part on implementing fibonacci would be output of numbers greater than 10 < 1331812615 894290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1331812639 996406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the rest _is_ just addition and looping. < 1331812640 755729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^fib < 1331812641 9040 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55.89.144.233.377.610.987.1597.2584.4181.6765.10946.17711.28657.46368.75025.121393.196418.317811.514229.832040.1346269.2178309.3524578.5702887.9227465.14930352.24157817.39088169.632459 ... < 1331812649 948020 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1331812654 34619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :periods? < 1331812659 603238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newlines, I think. < 1331812665 573353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show fib < 1331812665 735607 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+10>+>+[[+5[>+8<-]>.<+6[>-8<-]+<3]>.>>[[-]<[>+<-]>>[<2+>+>-]<[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>[-]>+>+<3-[>+<-]]]]]]]]]]]+>>>]<3][] < 1331812666 557777 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should at "output as integer" < 1331812675 269259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the +10 at start. < 1331812718 875115 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*add < 1331812719 924338 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1331813009 195802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: otoh Underload's fibonacci just outputs in unary as *'s. although there _is_ a decimal printing method in the other examples. < 1331813020 920457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:(/)S^):^ < 1331813021 82400 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/*****/********/*************/*********************/**********************************/*******************************************************/*****************************************************************************************/********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1331813041 306913 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary output is a nice idea < 1331813048 307560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary output is easy :) < 1331813058 239766 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why, yes < 1331813153 624623 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to output something like 10! unary, though < 1331813604 691992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)~(~!^)(:*)::::****:*^^!S!!! < 1331813605 273962 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 < 1331813724 287689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, that decimal conversion code looks neater than mine < 1331813737 632440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[->++++++>++<<]>++>>>+[[-<+<.>>>>+<<]<[->+<]>>[-<+>]>[-<+>]<<<<<.>>>] < 1331813737 794386 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . .. ... ..... ........ ............. ..................... .................................. ....................................................... ...................................................... ... < 1331813755 708946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the division by 10 done? I can't even see a constant 10 in there anywhere < 1331813761 291428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)~(~!^~:S~)(~!^)(:*)::::****:*^ < 1331813765 630528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331813865 675890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the deepest (!~:^) for the digit list applies an increment to the higher level digits < 1331813873 435267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1331813911 741114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that as mentioned on the underload page, this works by generating _all_ numerals in sequence, and printing the one you end up with < 1331814044 371753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a generator that you can run as many times as you want < 1331814087 730412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331814232 258755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)~(~!^~:(,)*S~)(:*)::::****:*^^ < 1331814232 460259 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108, ...too much output! < 1331814266 33743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go, printing each string after generating. < 1331814350 716852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)(:(,)*S!^~)(:*)::::****:*^^ < 1331814350 878949 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,10 ...too much output! < 1331814585 859285 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "just generate everything and pick what you need" could work for me :o < 1331814653 76328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would it? it depends on having something to make lists and strings with. < 1331814718 540333 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lists would be a lot easier < 1331814741 370530 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it should work for a maximum number of decimals < 1331814752 230355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that should work < 1331814788 264994 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll think of a more generic version later < 1331814822 649849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ais523 alluded to, you usually want to do division by 10. < 1331814840 183146 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1331814867 770589 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should even be possible < 1331815536 266402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331815644 618130 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331815665 880470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see logs < 1331815686 836055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1331815758 990684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, it's a decimal increment < 1331815870 165788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is ::*:*:**, right? < 1331815894 926490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)(()(!^~))((:(^!^:(,)*S)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^ < 1331815896 435549 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1,2,4,7,12,20,33,54,88,143,232,376,609,986,1596, ...out of time! < 1331815899 259747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331815924 216102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's 9 < 1331815951 228566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right, it is < 1331815952 920350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::**::*** would be 10 < 1331815971 203791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively :*::*:** < 1331815985 792421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, I think your 10 is also a 9 < 1331816008 831597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)::*:*:**S(b):::**::***S(c):*::*:**S < 1331816008 993553 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbcccccccccc < 1331816015 504290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x):::**::***S < 1331816015 666443 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxx < 1331816018 902487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331816028 535478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, both our 10s are correct < 1331816035 55756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yours is 3*3+1 < 1331816044 417991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mine is 2*(2*2+1) < 1331816068 169555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least mine's shorter :) < 1331816075 607435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses < 1331816088 536144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,1,2,4,7,12,20,33,54 < 1331816094 609611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fibonacci numbers - 1. < 1331816094 798196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,1,2,4,7,12,20,33,54,88,143,232,376,609,986,1596,2583,4180,6764,10945,17... < 1331816101 974694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331816115 165391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one error :P < 1331816120 785431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331816412 183871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^ < 1331816413 706227 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time! < 1331816418 561138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331816494 485805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s ul? < 1331816571 321454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload < 1331816576 36622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1331816653 121482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just added that program < 1331817368 364346 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: 10.4Fx 11r2 < 1331817745 706340 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331818681 442623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331819876 671742 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331821321 885292 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MDude < 1331821607 298160 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331821711 276420 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331823136 314081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331823787 996372 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331823828 655151 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-218.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331824010 264943 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331824291 331251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331825329 925234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331825564 300420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Announcing the Yesod Platform" < 1331825575 147866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Yesod are suffering from the delusion that they own Haskell. < 1331825596 858553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just a Cabal package. < 1331825598 506197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a bad name. < 1331827595 574286 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331828686 605581 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331830651 69534 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331830993 781881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1331831023 41961 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331831099 682347 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi people who use lower case and no punctuation < 1331831122 590233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: can I convince you to release EsoAPI 1.0 Specification under CC0? it was on [[EsoAPI]] for four years before Graue removed it as a copyvio (and updated the link), and I don't want to have to remove six revisions from the history :( < 1331831125 74569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: hi < 1331831170 673586 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I exported a doc from libeoffice and printed the pdf and the letters look like the latex logo.. what am I doing wrong < 1331831187 491744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong? sounds like it automatically made your document better < 1331831200 551627 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? that looks like crap < 1331831209 881602 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters are different sizes and offsets < 1331831213 137674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dissin' the latex logo?!?!?! < 1331831234 888509 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ;) < 1331831393 9358 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CC0? < 1331831428 35727 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public domain where possible, and as near to public domain as you can get where impossible. < 1331831524 533151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/, what the wiki is released under < 1331831551 73051 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what license I released it under, but my intent would be something like gpl < 1331831577 695650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the problem is that anything other than CC0 means I have to purge a few years of history from that page :( < 1331831643 516061 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to you < 1331831651 979443 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah GPL < 1331831684 107072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well, no, it's not up to me - if it's under the GPL, then I'm breaking the law by knowingly leaving those revisions up < 1331831686 278998 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it be in there as long as they link to it? < 1331831706 82631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the wiki can only contain public domain content < 1331831717 880447 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your restriction, not mine < 1331831733 976540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, are you telling me to relicense the wiki as GPL? < 1331831740 252339 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't create a legal problem coming from me < 1331831752 315136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be possible, but (a) the GPL is for software, not documents, and (b) I pledged to keep it public domain as it has been for 7 years < 1331831813 23808 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well I'm not a lawyer so I won't pretend to understand it < 1331831847 101319 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, hope that answers your question? < 1331831866 227974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'll delete the revisions... < 1331831882 456527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331831895 913366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw since it was up there without any license notice for a few years, whatever damage might be done has already been done i.e. people using it against the terms of the gpl < 1331831903 70604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331831919 106182 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if there was no license, then technically it's not even gpl < 1331831947 266368 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that means my spec was not free :( oops < 1331831983 910916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i took your statement above as licensing it under GPL < 1331831988 329465 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Have you read the link in the topic? < 1331831990 882789 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE < 1331831994 497638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1331831996 514499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since as the copyright holder you obviously can license it under anything at any time < 1331832001 555322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs one or the birds one? < 1331832014 859377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, in fact, license it CC0 at free will. < 1331832030 968255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Although you ought to take the time to read the entire logged history of this channel at some point, I was referring to the championofbirds one. < 1331832034 911121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 isn't technically a license < 1331832136 287613 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in some jurisdictions it acts as one. < 1331832155 89657 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, it /includes/ one for those jurisdiction, but the document itself is not a license. < 1331832160 798060 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. < 1331832179 363951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's a statement of release into the public domain, plus a license for when the former doesn't work. < 1331832182 739313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document itself is a pointer to licenses and disclaimers of copyright interest. < 1331832207 273138 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like there is the "GNU Free Documentation License".. I'm guessing that's not compatible with cc0 tho < 1331832232 242057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari............. < 1331832233 885395 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even GPL compatible. < 1331832242 271246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GFDL is widely known as the worst licence ever. < 1331832248 334875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: The GFDL is what Wikipedia used to be under (they switched to another Creative Commons license in 2009). < 1331832251 27359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331832251 615125 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly recommend against GFDL use. < 1331832267 470963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no license that has any requirements is compatible with the wiki. < 1331832283 750252 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ that has any requirements// < 1331832286 807956 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: whys that < 1331832318 440788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the logged history can be distributed as an audiobook, read by various guest speakers including quentin tarantino < 1331832324 446782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Mmm, wouldn't a document under e.g. the text of CC0 sans the disclaimer of copyright interest be permissible? < 1331832337 751757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It's got a large quantity of pretty weird requirements, such as invariant sections. < 1331832337 919075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that anyone would use such a license. < 1331832349 618890 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait thats a terrible idea < 1331832350 706772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GFDL is actually non-free per the DFSG.) < 1331832350 961369 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a list of previous titles must be retained. < 1331832352 686312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, yay! < 1331832354 860096 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe so, because the person who put it on the wiki would be putting it under the whole CC0, and hence including an invalid disclaimer of copyright. < 1331832356 359765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks to invariant sections.) < 1331832356 668156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much code in the logs < 1331832373 782233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you have a licence that permits public-domain derivatives? < 1331832378 887849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: True enough. < 1331832382 421221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That doesn't even make sense. < 1331832386 179129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that's isomorphic to just putting it under CC0. < 1331832388 676971 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331832389 860272 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: PLUS PLUS LESS THAN DOT < 1331832404 508411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyone can release all their changes into the public domain (assuming it applies in their jurisdiction). < 1331832414 194745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331832417 210475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's modifications to GPL software or whatever. < 1331832422 441237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't distribute the modified version itself as PD. < 1331832442 84231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it doesn't make sense to allow the modified version to be PD apparently? < 1331832470 13290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can't tell other people what they can do with their modifications. < 1331832477 729899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "You can release modifications as PD" is a nop. < 1331832482 913669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can release a modified version as PD" is... weird. < 1331832489 679750 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Public domain isn't a license, it means that noöne owns the copyrights to the work. It either is or is not PD, it can't change due to modifications. Added modifications could be PD, but the original part can't be in some quantum superposition of PD and not PD. < 1331832492 802495 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the part I like about the GPL (for code anyways) is if you make changes you have to give credit to the original, and it has to stay under the same license < 1331832495 756160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either completely ineffective due to being nonsense, or releases the original work into PD. < 1331832509 463775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did say that. < 1331832539 391146 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: i think if you map brainfuck chars to alphabet chars you could come up with something which could be pronounced word by word instead of char by char < 1331832539 592290 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a more sensible documentation license that does those things? < 1331832567 11227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, you must release it under CC0, I think. < 1331832581 1008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike, but that does not mean it can be included on the wiki and I will still be legally required to take down the revisions. < 1331832587 729469 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think the fact that it ain't goin' wiki is being begrudgingly accepted here X-D < 1331832609 188525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The current text isn't even on the wiki, this is about having to expunge previous revisions. < 1331832633 150807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was put up by an anonymous user because the original link was broken. < 1331832633 319522 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes. < 1331832635 428532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331832667 617991 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is there a way to search the wiki for "kidsquid.99k.org" in links and change them to "kidsquid.com"? < 1331832671 980810 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn those anonymouses. < 1331832698 811387 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just search for my stuff and look at the links < 1331832702 102506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes, see Special:LinkSearch. < 1331832743 320710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A floating point number, which changes slightly every time it's read from. There is no way to compare whether two values are equal, since the values are so unstable -- only the greater than and less than comparisons are available." — [[entropy]] < 1331832749 820233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: OK, so I've lost track of the resolution to this; you're not releasing it as CC0, right? < 1331832760 565993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note that it doesn't actually state how the variation it's made. < 1331832763 317167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1331832769 551086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied to assembly language.. operators could be consonants, first operand could be vowel, second operand could be another consonant .. add ax bx = bab < 1331832776 961407 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, floats that encourage people to use floats as you ought to be using them in the first place? < 1331832796 963287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...best idea. < 1331832807 930616 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks (and thanks for the CC-A-S note < 1331832839 70181 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it is CC-BY-SA < 1331832861 758827 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attribution + ShareAlike (by-sa) < 1331832863 680462 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I cannot emphasize enough how important it is that everyone read the link in the topic. < 1331832864 402382 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1331832923 97485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: OK, I'll take that as a yes, then < 1331832933 400727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://www.cnoteevil.com/ < 1331832943 98432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do click < 1331832956 690605 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Hm, I am now "This Guy." < 1331832976 248050 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: And the link doesn't go directly to the blog post, so hyuk on that. < 1331832983 444013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, are you actually a musicion in the neoromantic style? < 1331832991 992776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... a musician... in the necromantic style? < 1331832992 301541 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I pretend to be. < 1331832996 155643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331832999 320866 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes both! < 1331833019 383405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331833036 479950 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes to what? < 1331833042 398705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, your space travel answer is BULLSHIT, and I am going to tell you WHY < 1331833044 770793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : calamari: OK, so I've lost track of the resolution to this; you're not releasing it as CC0, right? < 1331833050 413057 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ruh roh < 1331833060 74126 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, no I'm not < 1331833084 314801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail to take into account the expansion of the universe; there's a finite horizon beyond which nothing can actually pass. < 1331833094 981384 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331833097 929743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That is unfortunate. I'll delete the revisions. < 1331833100 796311 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO they shouldn't have copied the spec into the wiki in the first place < 1331833135 298511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only copied because the link was dead < 1331833137 477418 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: there I spammed rainbow dash for you < 1331833144 62423 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, fair enough, I slightly oversimplified the original statement. < 1331833167 574889 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by someone who doesn't really understand copyright. < 1331833195 814366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway, there are plenty of places worth going to within civilisational timescales, not to mention the prospect of colony ships. < 1331833294 313080 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generation ships. Feasible with current technology, except where the hell would we want to *send* one? < 1331833303 549626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Orion Nebula is only 1300ly away, for instance, and, well, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg < 1331833324 535364 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you saying you don't want to go visit some lifeless rocks in a distant star system? < 1331833339 44896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about championofbirds i can see is they focus on the content, stripping back the web design to the bare minimum < 1331833353 130759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Link to the fucking file page when the image is gigantic by gigantic. < 1331833366 63497 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The bad thing is that the content is entirely uninteresting nonsense. < 1331833369 887853 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'd be perfectly fine with it if it were a trip that individuals could make and come back to tell the tale. < 1331833372 104509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection is crying :P < 1331833384 125465 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: As-is, the only real reason to go to other star systems would be to set up shop. < 1331833392 309894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even go so far as to conceal the names of the webpages < 1331833397 860872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm going to scream "BUSSARD RAMJET" until reality goes away and stops mocking m. < 1331833399 168347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1331833399 330585 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... We don't really know of somewhere good to go colonize. < 1331833410 408008 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even if it was, but relativistically, so they came back to tell the tale to their great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren? < 1331833434 255062 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You could quite reasonably find volunteers for that. < 1331833444 419773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991#comment-748 < 1331833453 870207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There just doesn't seem a point in making a generation ship to look at space rocks. < 1331833486 516853 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes? < 1331833492 750595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that the two of you have reduced the entire field of astrophysics to "space rocks". < 1331833498 291181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I have no idea :P < 1331833502 230924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ;) < 1331833511 77838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sometimes the rocks are on fire! Those are called stars. < 1331833513 170453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oversimplification is one of my many strengths. < 1331833526 243043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sometimes they're really thin rocks, so you can go through them. < 1331833539 499346 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is just that we'd have to have a very compelling reason to go to anywhere in particular, and we've found nothing compelling yet. < 1331833585 251050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys just don't have the vision to see that gas giant colonisation is obviously the answer. < 1331833617 651778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm actually advocating colonies if we find a place to colonise. < 1331833621 934163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG what if we all lived in tiny spaceships inside gas giants. < 1331833627 379020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, see < 1331833634 910880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As-is, the only way we're colonising *anything* is with a freaking space station. < 1331833635 79349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be < 1331833636 514460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awesome < 1331833647 142665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait what about the gravity. < 1331833655 222423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big do you need for rotating to work decently. < 1331833678 567376 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it's deep enough the local acceleration due to gravity should be 9.8 m/s. < 1331833695 784775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the surface gravity of Jupiter is 2.5G. < 1331833697 287299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, planets have gravity now... < 1331833709 87677 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, your ships might need to be made of exotic materials. ;) < 1331833711 99823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...who'da thunk it? < 1331833722 951564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK so we need anti-gravity instead. < 1331833724 964574 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And the surface pressure? :D < 1331833768 967135 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you guys see the recent article that being in space too long deforms your eyeballs? they want to research it more to see if it continues to get worse or stops at a certain point < 1331833860 56795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, given that 'surface' here means 'boundary with space'.... 0. < 1331833873 861552 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric < 1331833884 149011 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331833897 44848 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Lame! < 1331833914 48523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not the hypothesized solid center's surface. < 1331833916 260790 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaame! < 1331833924 186541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the point at which gravity is around g is 3/5ths of the way into the planet. < 1331833939 605302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT let us go there. < 1331833957 975749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The pressure will probably crush your ship like a tin can. < 1331833976 440885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to work it out but using WA would be awful, but then I realised that the formula is literally just radius * surface gravity/surface radius.) < 1331834052 919736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK so don't make it out of tin. < 1331834054 350443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM < 1331834055 118274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLVED < 1331834081 660474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not if it's SOLID STEEL < 1331834223 412241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What if we make it... out of LEAD < 1331834472 620045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: its probably the tip of the iceburg of a greater set of problems of being in space too long < 1331834557 859327 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yeah it would only be sheer luck if that weren't the case < 1331834581 520575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh. < 1331834593 164371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oooho? < 1331834594 725285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh < 1331834600 869395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturn's surface gravity is almost exactly 1g. < 1331834641 71946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not only would you get gravity, you'd get bitchin' rings as well. < 1331834653 319965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: but rather than do the obvious thing like spend less time in space..we must push on < 1331834670 949275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start calling for funding to fix the eye problem < 1331834697 419616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: approve < 1331834724 704219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Except, can you even see the rings. < 1331834745 292602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; it depends how deep in the atmosphere you are. < 1331834761 220264 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how's the radiation level at Saturn? < 1331834776 130825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radiation level? As in from the solar wind? < 1331834795 103862 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm for some reason I seem to remember hearing there was a lot of radation near Jupiter < 1331834801 794181 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm totally wrong < 1331834811 253885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturn has a magnetic field comparable to Earth's and is further from the sun, but I'm not sure about other sources. < 1331834864 34498 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how would you prevent your "orbit" from decaying and being crushed < 1331834870 836590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o Jupiter produces its own heat by gravitational contraction. < 1331834880 449313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, who said anything about orbits? < 1331834901 58103 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3010/hiding-from-jupiters-radiation < 1331834901 905296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to use buoyancy, although there might be practical problems. < 1331834957 54486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those're due to the magnetic field, and Saturn's is a twentieth of Jupiter's. < 1331835008 299680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, they're localised to the equator. < 1331835092 844677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, being deep enough into Jupiter to get 1g of gravity would also mean being well within the metallic hydrogen layer, so you couldn't do that under any circumstances.) < 1331835245 499077 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1331835358 952339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy, /r/math is another pi vs. taufest. < 1331835427 760536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Incidentally, being deep enough into Jupiter to get 1g of gravity would also mean being well within the metallic hydrogen layer, so you couldn't do that under any circumstances.) < 1331835429 306851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could try < 1331835666 706225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331835778 162880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to map a folder in my local filesystem to a folder on my vps so that files copied to that folder get auto-uploaded and stuff? < 1331835804 795756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a fuse filesystem < 1331835807 562203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use sshfs < 1331835815 411637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't write a fuse filesystem, i forgot sshfs existed) < 1331835884 257026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there all kinds of dropbox clones too, if you want a more "no delay when accessing the files, will be uploaded lazily" semantics. < 1331835888 774795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshfs to a slow place is... slow. < 1331835913 962823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People here might be interested in reading http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/03/ruby_ruby_on_rails_and__why_the_disappearance_of_one_of_the_world_s_most_beloved_computer_programmers_.html, by the way. < 1331835933 135027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all that much interesting, but at least contains some confirmation about _why. < 1331836098 724880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1331836136 330731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also demonstration that _why is actually the protagonist of a Rand book. < 1331836166 165975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO all of that < 1331836405 329687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the article links to a Wikipedia article that was deleted in October. < 1331836960 853481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish that beneath my scruffy exterior i too was a programmer of awe inspiring signifigance < 1331837005 247585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wahahaha < 1331837194 954244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this http://www.baldursgate.com/ counter all about? The source comments say "March 14, 2012. Shadowy Figure- Raise Dead : Infinity Engine. It is coming." (The middle part is written in the same way as old BG spell effects ended up in the log.) < 1331837214 492248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#esoteric is my go-to place for all questions on life, the universe and everything.) < 1331837253 692624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to find a community of people exactly like me < 1331837276 733014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cloning vat is a good place to start with. < 1331837354 104564 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place is too advanced for me to truely be immersed in esolang < 1331837381 609653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 internal server error < 1331837403 512585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Latest release Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II < 1331837403 674584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 January 2004" < 1331837409 185560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wager there's a new game coming out, or something. < 1331837420 84319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Raising the dead" and so on? < 1331837467 388043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In the January 2008 issue of PC Gamer UK, the editor claims that he knows that Baldur's Gate III is indeed being worked on - this has further been reiterated in the January 2009 edition.[citation needed] < 1331837467 588345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On December 2, 2008, Atari stated in a press conference that the Baldur's Gate series (among others) would be revisited after 2009.[6] < 1331837467 588540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On February 7, 2010, in an interview about Mass Effect 2, IGN asked Ray Muzyka of BioWare about the future of Baldur's Gate, noting the sighting of Boo in the Citadel souvenir shop. He replied, 'Hey, that's just a space hamster. Boo's brother. And again, you'll have to talk to Atari about that, they've got the license.'[7]]] < 1331837474 776187 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright! time to put on my ritual necromancy cloak < 1331837497 552742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also note < 1331837497 963434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @font-face { < 1331837498 125649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : font-family: Sherwood; < 1331837498 125747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : src: url('http://www.baldursgate.com/sherwood.ttf'); < 1331837498 125794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1331837511 429466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the page has no text, suggesting more design work has been done than is seen on that page. < 1331837512 60184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1331837567 467487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding font to fonts folder < 1331837616 276116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. cp to /dir/fonts/ or something < 1331837660 821236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HAPPY NOW???? < 1331837671 41116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES VERY THANK U < 1331837686 497388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.co.uk/search?ix=aca&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Shadowy+Figure-+Raise+Dead+%3A+Infinity+Engine < 1331837689 415123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is MORE INFORMATION. < 1331837696 446455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's past entries on, e.g. http://www.elvenrunes.de/cgi-bin/logs/show.m?log=b62517,76811&disc=1&sort=1&snew=1&omode=&all=0&typ=. < 1331837709 2764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also, elliott and monqy are mining friends in new DF fort.# < 1331837718 375266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331837736 935472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my that is a nice font < 1331837751 487741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"edit: Checking the site a bit more and looking at the background etc, it rather seems they were porting the infinity-engine. This probably means tablets etc." < 1331837751 649990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mining friends are best friends because they do all the initial work and so have completely different sleep and eating cycles. < 1331837753 503323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1331837766 400556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've got the sleep cycle bit down. < 1331837774 297352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy will have to try harder. < 1331837799 538412 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331837802 202763 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost imagine a smarmy british robin hood voice speaking it. Not russell crowe. < 1331837853 892892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sherwood.ttf is the font in which the downwards-counting counter (that's now at about two hours) that I see is. < 1331837862 31768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've heard the counter isn't visible to everyone. < 1331837871 554992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just imagine Bioware bringing out a new Baldur's gate, mainly because it seems almost inevitable that they'll pull some supremely dickish stunt that'll make everyone declare it ruined forever. < 1331837899 542489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say that Google has indexed it being talked about on /v/ and that the likelihood of that thread still existing is very low, but then I clicked and it's at the top so I suppose it's fairly likely that's where you saw it. < 1331837903 725726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if it was coincidental that today (I think) is Diablo 3 release day, too. < 1331837909 759688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My link sez it woulnd't be Bioware. < 1331837912 634726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wood < 1331837920 826555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari own the rites. < 1331837929 110291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331837940 582993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I'm not seeing no counter. < 1331837941 900918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari still functionally exist?? < 1331837946 468936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That skull is scarrey. < 1331837954 902358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You don't have to exist functionally to sit on rhytes. < 1331837964 965466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://include.reinvigorate.net/re_.jsFailed to load resource < 1331837965 127790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://baldursgate.com/js/jquery.countdown.min.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (Internal Server Error) < 1331837965 127975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://baldursgate.com/:113Uncaught TypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'countdown' < 1331837973 131784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It'd work if their server wasn't crappy. :p < 1331838005 169947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/132719001 is the thread in question, if anyone feels particularly masochistic.) < 1331838041 263500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently ``the eruddites'' have found it. < 1331838043 187637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I wonder if the "droplets" in the skull logo are actually sperm? I mean, the protagonist is the spawn of Bhaal, and so on. < 1331838046 683176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not. < 1331838090 601582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm going to have to keep checking it. < 1331838094 502964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse you. < 1331838126 365186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play the first Baldur's Gate? < 1331838132 976353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331838146 356846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a coutner! < 1331838160 228952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I watched eon8 intently, and that wasn't even *for* anything. < 1331838219 584220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: I had a friend today say that all the methods employed by game publishers to prevent resales (DRM, DLC on release, etc.) were OK because resales "hurt small developers more". < 1331838230 687696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what was that other site starting with "eon" that just had that photograph in some narrow corridor or something that everyone freaked out about at the time? < 1331838240 883171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fizzie is my go-to place for allq uestions on life, the universe and everything.) < 1331838253 138541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried pointing out that small developers don't really do that sort of thing, but he didn't listen. < 1331838325 553653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the E.ON energy company is my only mental association with 'eon'. < 1331838396 562244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thiss-uh thing: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Purpose_of_mysterious_website_Eon8_revealed < 1331838414 426817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except people tried to load eon*.tld in the mad dash to attribute some nonsense meaning to it. < 1331838527 348072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-115.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331838538 43403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-198.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331838597 231565 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331838601 230446 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :join ##crawl < 1331838614 322139 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331838627 68584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently eon5.com. "It appears to be nothing more than a strange picture of what looks like a corridor." < 1331838631 874000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Currently it's something else.) < 1331838642 558340 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi (says I in embarassement caused by a glitchy '/' key) < 1331838652 946293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #esoteric < 1331838668 984029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you embarrassed because your keyboard sucks, or because crawl sucks? :) < 1331838764 834192 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's about suckiness, my win ratio at crawl is far from good. otherwise, I should vacuum my keyboard more often... < 1331838817 336459 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone in ##crawl likes/plays crawl but I guess that means you do < 1331838939 499290 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I had a relapse last week. < 1331838976 710517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is looking down on boily now < 1331838983 703823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's one of the ones that actually play" he says (to himself) < 1331839100 167720 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see crawl more and more as a drug. I have seen graduate students having their life destroyed by it! < 1331839128 684784 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was it the influence of their advisors? it's difficult to know.) < 1331839302 662771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gateway drug to NetHack. < 1331839413 692185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HACKING will get you EXPELLED. < 1331839448 794945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cue "Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?". < 1331839503 203367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got some feedback that mentioning the word "hacker", even if it's qualified with "older sense" or some-such, in a personal page means one won't ever get a job, because all HR departments will immediately disqualify an applicant when they see the word in their regular googling run. < 1331839538 836593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly for "speech recognition researcher". < 1331839551 411880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that just makes sense. The first one doesn't. < 1331839637 578100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=519 -- fizzie and Taneb together almost a YEAR before the latter first visited us. < 1331839640 846698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spookier than Hexham? < 1331839692 425209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was all kinda spooky, yes. < 1331839719 856839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did notice the name at some point, though. < 1331840060 616595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An image of the Main Page of Wikipedia watermarked, claimed as copyrighted, and sold by Getty Images and Agence France-Presse. Wikipedia text is licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0 which requires the same or similar free license on all derivative works." < 1331840074 700806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "no self reference" guys, those Wikipedians sure like using themselves as an example. < 1331840125 614607 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331840375 446862 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you'd need to care about the liscense if it was somehow otherwise fair use, but I don't see how that would be the case here. < 1331840383 385824 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331840459 565771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/WP_on_Getty_images_with_watermark.jpg is the image in question. < 1331840476 508576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the computer around it constitutes a new creative work. < 1331840487 249236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1331840498 128151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it probably does.) < 1331841528 780539 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331841663 584158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://dfclan.org/wazzledoozle/eon5.jpg < 1331841666 376190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESERVED FOR THE AGES. < 1331841729 99660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD TO KNOW. < 1331841995 184541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU TOO can relive the eon8 experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1u38O90aA < 1331842102 583163 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James' resemblance to Montgomery < 1331842122 282570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331842145 200972 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.cracked.com/article_19723_5-insane-cases-imposters-passing-world-leaders.html < 1331842269 607018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and even started using a prosthetic finger, since Montgomery had lost a finger on his right hand in World War I." < 1331842270 557733 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit! It cut some text off of my message < 1331842275 7683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how does that make you *lose* a finger? < 1331842279 688311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prosthetic non-finger? < 1331842334 207662 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331842357 470287 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James' resemblance to Montgomery < 1331842429 410217 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is is giving me (421) got :Unknown command, (421) saw :Unknown command and (421) to :Unknown command < 1331842471 556117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: do you have lines starting with /? < 1331842492 41883 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1331842506 931148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmhmm < 1331842513 583690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it's sending a new irc message for every few words of your line < 1331842523 129490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's forgetting the "PRIVMSG #esoteric :" on all but the first < 1331842528 803677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1331842606 769808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedded newlines in the paste, but it sounds very weird to have a client that would break on that. < 1331842683 129346 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I am using AndroIRC < 1331842702 435208 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James' resemblance to Montgomery got him the attention of MI5, who saw in him the perfect opportunity to troll some Nazis." Did it work this time? < 1331842710 913617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331842714 898793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331842715 786420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suppose pasting them in is the only way that could happen on Android. < 1331842727 583837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it probably does "PRIVMSG " + chan + " :" + msg + "\r\n" or something silly like that. < 1331842739 202273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know it's a quality client. < 1331842797 976858 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only working client that didn't want to be able to look at my contacts or make phonecalls < 1331842837 651890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :android should have an "allow access but always give it fake data" option when installing apps < 1331842884 58873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or the good old system where every access to protected stuff makes the OS pop up a confirmation dialog < 1331842915 659513 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that for apps that want to know where I am (I usually set it yo north pole or Area 51) < 1331842958 969883 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :area 51 isn't at the north pole? < 1331842979 595177 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no < 1331843016 715322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Area 52. < 1331843043 772958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: What about the South Pole, man??? < 1331843055 540901 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 53? < 1331843062 330749 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(need to go. bye all!) < 1331843063 482641 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1331843092 275706 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty funny to see facebook of my friend who uses random locations. < 1331843110 295935 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also use it sometimes < 1331843442 190796 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I forget to turn Fake GPS off before using a navigation. Results are interesting < 1331843563 725146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331843578 525595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331843582 779399 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just interested. Where do you live? < 1331843585 238786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331843601 279250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :england < 1331843641 779575 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By you I meant you all < 1331843699 720656 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did english language abandon thou? < 1331843705 378036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan lives in sweden < 1331843731 764366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott lives in pentamutton, westochreshire < 1331843748 283007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pent a mutton every day. < 1331843795 508166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in norway, which all americans know is the capital of sweden < 1331843812 899949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a suburb of sweden < 1331843815 54005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought norway was a country < 1331843826 165765 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard < 1331843834 167525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: norwegians think so too :) < 1331843848 719402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in suspension of disbelief < 1331843858 751240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :large unidentified flying object observed over itidus21, causing stray winds < 1331843868 612984 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I live in finland and many people think that it is in siberia < 1331843879 568625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it is. < 1331843885 693517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1331843894 817331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1331843903 377956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norway < 1331843906 918590 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1331843908 559822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sweden < 1331843912 56731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1331843917 239950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. < 1331843920 729981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1331843923 232670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. < 1331843926 619299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1331843932 398352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey i was going to do that < 1331843937 525234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1331843941 47437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1331843944 7595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How coincidental! I was going to make you a wiki sysop! < 1331843984 911459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1331843987 748138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1331843995 466623 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 finnish people out of 2 are on this channel... < 1331843996 129030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (a) you should keep escalating that threat, and (b) it should be something like the dictator-for-life of the world at this point. < 1331844023 160698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. < 1331844026 467143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1331844046 186744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes. Actually it's more than 5 now. < 1331844067 632116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Siberia is the capital of Finland. It's where the Fields Medal was first synthesised. < 1331844070 849988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1331844088 829580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Don't I have to become dictator-for-life of the world before I can appoint other people that? < 1331844140 347822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're dictator for life, you can only appoint other people if you die first < 1331844146 322932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, dictator-for-life of the world is implied by my .plan, so how is that a threat? < 1331844165 463193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, I can just redefine my own job title. < 1331844168 622226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what oerjan's .plan is. < 1331844191 716878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the licensing agreement you can only use the software if you are dictator-for-life of the world. < 1331844192 130897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprocket:oerjan:~> cat .plan < 1331844192 293044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :World domination through widespread nonsense and confusion. < 1331844213 195993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you've got the nonsense and confusion part down. < 1331844214 690707 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1331844217 296690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. < 1331844241 556619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks! < 1331844254 818856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PLAN IS WORKING *MWAHAHAHAHAHA* < 1331844267 968861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...but not the "widespread" part. < 1331844278 160261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What package is finger(1) in this century? < 1331844300 448336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: excuse me, but i think you are repeating my lines from when we last discussed .plans here < 1331844317 212743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suspect nvg may not accept external finger requests < 1331844345 882221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was what I was trying to find out. < 1331844355 977708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my first attempt was "ssh sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no". < 1331844372 228660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it seems they have yet to give me an account. I've even emailed them before and everything. < 1331844379 335456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sad < 1331844385 588744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not about getting an account, admittedly. < 1331844431 590375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well at least internal finger works. < 1331844459 417655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know what package finger is in, right? < 1331844502 534814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :archaic-useless-tools? < 1331844523 976146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was just archaic-tools < 1331844553 120899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm iirc there used to be a web member list that showed the .plan, but now the list just links to my homepage. < 1331844577 835569 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so this finger business is for displaying oerjan's .plan? < 1331844587 617219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he already told us though < 1331844603 200189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's more authentic from the source. < 1331844648 241903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no _does_ work _from_ sprocket :P < 1331844680 121879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does finger oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no, in case one suspected it was purely local. < 1331844718 613817 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the fake gps app mention.. set my location to equestria.. according to google maps, that's in south africa < 1331844721 627280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! So I'm missing out. < 1331844761 515718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs finger. < 1331844805 997239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU USE TCSH?!?!?!?! < 1331844807 540876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONSTER! < 1331844819 94877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, finger actually works? < 1331844844 644640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the impression they removed it for security reasons. < 1331844855 680072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He uses tcsh! < 1331844858 190114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcsh! < 1331844869 214653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i have not changed my shell since i got the account in 1992 or so < 1331844877 404167 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what security reasons? < 1331844895 804045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it _does_ tell when i was last logged in and stuff... < 1331844905 240484 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why you use tcsh? < 1331844905 859093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells me you have two ptys open, too. :p < 1331844909 175565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when they started up. < 1331844911 304618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to that machine, though. < 1331844912 136001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, stop using tcsh. < 1331844935 534159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then i'd have to rewrite my login scripts :( < 1331844942 120782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, oerjan has an office. < 1331844946 967326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly. < 1331844963 120717 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what shell do you recommend? < 1331844964 180562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was wondering about that office. it hasn't been current since at least 2000. < 1331844964 874916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, an office!? I thought he was a student < 1331844979 64617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: He's... what do you call it... when you stop being a student and retire from studentry. < 1331844980 716528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure where the data for that field is... < 1331844982 182369 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcsh was always my preferred shell, but I got used to bash < 1331844984 679589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: human? < 1331844991 834151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, I think it's called a Ph.D. < 1331845010 476227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's just another kind of student, isn't it? < 1331845030 595478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So once you get a Ph.D., you're a student for life? < 1331845035 220461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know you've never logged in to whatever machine plain nvg.ntnu.no points to? < 1331845052 844944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently oerjan's name starts with an "a", going by /home/lusers/a/oerjan. < 1331845082 133621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also hasn't checked his mail in 35 minutes. finger(1) is rather intrusive, it seems. < 1331845119 138278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it tell you when his last bathroom break was? < 1331845132 19443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I will redact that information for the sake of the logs. < 1331845144 420890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm surprised it doesn't mangle your Unicode realname. < 1331845229 656192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Did you know you've never logged in [...] <-- that's quite likely, in recent years i've used tyrell and sprocket to log in, and before sprocket it was hagbart (r.i.p., i think) < 1331845266 768172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, finger can't connect to hagbart, so let's say RIP. < 1331845267 468406 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you log into a unix machine you can finger your friends. You can also get head, and get tail (of a file), take a dump, or mount something (a drive). You may also fsck your drive" < 1331845268 829402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain nvg is not intended as a login server at all, i think. < 1331845274 16606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you logging in from hagbart. < 1331845316 624433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :way back we were all on swix, nvg's first machine, a vax ultrix server < 1331845323 746150 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331845327 708333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the naming convention? < 1331845433 152175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have an accessible finger service any more. :( < 1331845433 912582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's somewhat haphazard. tyrell is probably a bladerunner reference, hagbart _may_ be a child show or literature character (we had several of those), sprocket ... oh i just remembered, it's the dog from fraggle rock < 1331845466 134516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know if it was named the same in english) < 1331845496 527093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is apparently logged in twice on sprocket < 1331845499 381222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :swix was a pun on vax - it's a well know (at least in norway) ski wax brand < 1331845514 376997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i opened a second terminal to check finger < 1331845538 556001 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on our chool server is named Uranus-Hertz < 1331845539 239786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski + wax = vax, clearly < 1331845576 325418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm i don't know about the ski part < 1331845593 672899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it have been svix? :p < 1331845621 404433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.swixsport.com/ < 1331845622 402066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i take it you have very mature sysadmins < 1331845643 55111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently there's still a machine responding to swix < 1331845690 650273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not convinced it's a vax though. hm... < 1331845704 507392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's running an sshd. < 1331845712 404191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can VAXen run sshd? < 1331845728 221976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the nmap switch to try and figure out what OS a system is using?) < 1331845732 629657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's actually SunOS < 1331845769 257360 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have root account on that server and I am the sysadmin currently after old admin leaved. It is pentium II with 256 mb of memory < 1331845772 50523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :swix:oerjan:~> uname -a < 1331845772 212603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SunOS swix 5.9 Generic_122300-29 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 Solaris < 1331845810 806092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that's a yes then ;D < 1331845826 430537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Pentium IIs even go up to Uranus Hz. < 1331845846 310448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm SunOS 5.9? < 1331845852 37733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 vintage < 1331845857 205820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Solaris < 1331845896 458078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah plain nvg is sabre-wulf, i remember that < 1331845899 805565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjaneA "SunOS vipunen.hut.fi 5.10 Generic_147440-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-880" nyar nyar ours is newer. < 1331845908 640904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/eA/:/ < 1331845909 245556 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :best part oof being sysadmin is when cleaning staff trips over the power cord.. < 1331845922 310378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boring i386 linux :P < 1331845978 514937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I'm surprised it doesn't mangle your Unicode realname. <-- oh hm it _does_ mangle when i finger it, i suspect it's _actually_ in latin-1 < 1331845982 474649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're sprocket and tyrell? I'M CURIOUS NOW < 1331845988 643837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. well it displays properly for me with a remote finger. < 1331846141 468551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000010 20 20 20 20 20 20 09 09 09 4e 61 6d 65 3a 20 d8 | ...Name: .| < 1331846156 509989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh wait hagbart is alive! (i686 linux) < 1331846175 862970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it runs ssh < 1331846179 15504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not finger < 1331846253 441892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shouldn't it have been svix? :p <-- um i don't think the swix trademark is a pun, naming a vax that is the pun < 1331846320 863770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, i know < 1331846333 190886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing something? i assumed swix was chosen because vax sounds vaguely like wax. < 1331846337 615630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sprocket is x86_64 linux < 1331846356 85981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, of course, norwegian doesn't have a w sound. < 1331846381 759709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also en:wax = no:voks, fwiw < 1331846382 76132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that makes more sense, then. < 1331846385 971524 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you still using vaxen? < 1331846394 564010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that makes even more sense, then. < 1331846401 189727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i don't know of any. < 1331846443 40388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyrell is i686 linux < 1331846457 958330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, it's much better in swedish then, en:wax = sv:vax < 1331846495 963664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyrell and sprocket are also Debian < 1331846530 408921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Swedes came up with the pun. < 1331846545 729820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Do people actually distinguish i386 and i686 these days?) < 1331846575 161649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno, i'm just reporting from uname -a < 1331846635 8146 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our school got rid of 5" floppy drives and betamax videos last year, but we still have reel-to-reel decks and slide projectors < 1331846653 510670 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1331846720 79550 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also distinguish between i586 and i686 < 1331846850 260709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody does that. < 1331846853 519330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even Debian does that. < 1331846892 300966 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ubuntu does < 1331846973 83128 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10 is last i585 version and newer are i686 versions < 1331847071 487283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Distinguish" as in "name separately", not as in "don't drop hardware support for" :P < 1331847109 280037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331847148 638332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is i686 anyway? < 1331847149 219885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Slackware had some 'i486'-specific packages. Oh, and then there was that whole mess with gcc/pgcc/egcs mess, but that doesn't quite count. < 1331847172 494208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pentium Pro or later" is a good approximation. < 1331847177 192828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For i686.) < 1331847228 378860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, Debian has (IIRC) 486 and 686 kernels. < 1331847230 661722 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mmx and sse screw these things up somewhat < 1331847234 210066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose that means they don't support 386 these days?) < 1331847245 330433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No love for the 386s. :( < 1331847259 939479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/12/msg00397.html Apparently not. < 1331847265 787500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the port being called "i386". < 1331847270 705469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i[46]86 is less catchy. < 1331847276 935938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > running debian hamm on 386sx/20, 8m, 116m disk < 1331847277 802578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `>' < 1331847302 341938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something like sarge which no longer officially does i386 at all. < 1331847309 441955 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I remember correctly even linux kernel doesn't build on i386 < 1331847343 843194 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+anymore < 1331847350 573390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On"? Surely you mean "for". < 1331847355 619587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it that it requires more RAM than 386 can do? < 1331847384 614385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: Debian on a 386? Unlikely. (was: ramblings about old hardware,gzip, bz2, and pentium op) < 1331847388 642905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very topical topic, that. < 1331847417 611420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you get new stuff running on 386 by trapping and emulating? < 1331847461 425581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember when I made those mcmap/mchost changes and spent approx. 500 years de-tangling them into something reasonable? < 1331847467 720178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it was easier than this: http://blog.plover.com/prog/git-habits.html < 1331847498 714280 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probaby, but it would be slow < 1331847508 978902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux-3.1.5 at least still has ""386" for the AMD/Cyrix/Intel 386DX/DXL/SL/SLC/SX, Cyrix/TI 486DLC/DLC2, and UMC 486SX-S. Only "386" kernels will run on a 386 class machine." in the 'processor type' Kconfig setting. < 1331847530 880162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://veracity-scm.com/ Hey, what's this and why didn't anybody tell me about it? < 1331847611 109475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apropos, did you know that the color of esoteric is #975b40? (It's kind of a quite boring reddish-grayish-brown.) < 1331847654 819616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you fix that script? < 1331847663 46678 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.japheth.de/HX.html < 1331847665 719223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of slightly reimplemented it. < 1331847670 758256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly? < 1331847683 520060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a new way of determining the single color. < 1331847685 827890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://zem.fi/misc_gcolor.html < 1331847733 458929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all doc-doc-documented. < 1331847744 872380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly reimplemented :D < 1331847766 757735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe 'slightly' is not quite the right word, since it doesn't share any code with the previous version. < 1331847815 600218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "reimplemented" is the right word then :) < 1331847843 477277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't hurt to include both words just in case < 1331847845 987840 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does no one use #691337 or #caccaa as bg color on their site < 1331847913 346560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The preceding point aside, I have trouble believing any language with only a single-byte memory space can be TC. Moreover, the claim that \ "enqueue the byte again, followed by two zero bytes" doesn't make sense when the queue's capacity is just a single byte. Or does it actually mean something else, like a single queue of bytes, or a queue of single bytes?" < 1331847928 559166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this comment has to be a gripe at the wording rather than serious confusion, right...? < 1331847938 227949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331847938 393714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qdeql) < 1331847948 271567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Qdeql is an esoteric programming language devised by User:Graue that provides a single byte queue as the only form of memory available to programs." < 1331847956 141099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put that 'historical footnote' bit at the bottom in because there's some upstart Web 3.11 http://thecolorof.com/ site, that just sums together images from flickr to get a "color" (i.e. a full image). Okay, sure, it's visually speaking a lot prettier, but I've got like $\infty$% more Greek letters in my description. < 1331847975 334429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also von-Mises Fisher distributions. < 1331847976 971097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aaaa when did zem.fi become a real thing. < 1331847984 655665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-Mises / Mises-/ < 1331847989 762243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like a day ago. < 1331847992 140643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It scares me! Make the homepage unstyled and useless again! < 1331848018 831860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed about thirty hours before plugging it on #esoteric, I think that's a reasonably good job. < 1331848018 993477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a clear: both on your headings, anyway; "irregular colors" is indented. < 1331848031 971809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you have some typos: "colors" for eaxmple. < 1331848033 563131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*example < 1331848068 559134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are all your links enclosed in brackets? < 1331848075 253394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1331848088 29231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's done with :before { content: } nonsense so it's easy to get rid of it. < 1331848097 996234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a bit expeerimental, and websites are not really my thing. < 1331848104 605424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use MathJax and then your LaTeX wouldn't be unreadably small. :p < 1331848126 703394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried jsMath (the only thing I know of) and it just didn't want to work for me. < 1331848129 85518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/misc_gcolorex.html is prettily laid-out, I must admit. < 1331848133 339807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mathjax is the successor of jsMath. < 1331848139 782876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (a lot) less painful now. < 1331848142 218134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*J < 1331848149 266229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathjax.org/ < 1331848154 943770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a CDN thing so you can just pop a script line in. < 1331848180 519691 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331848226 791389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to consider that. I did the current LaTeX with my own script after trying out 'mathtex' (from Ubuntu repos) and 'texvc' (that thing MediaWiki uses); neither one provided any exactly obvious ways to align the image's baseline with the surrounding text for inline math. < 1331848246 997134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Regarding the first half, I do noise-robust speech recognition related activities" -- yes, they're quite robustly noisy, in the "opposite of signal" i.e. nonsense sense. < 1331848287 171296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Finns really speak of being "in" IRC networks? That's so cyberpunk. < 1331848290 64218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, being a speech-recognition guy, I can't hear any disparaging IRC remarks like that. < 1331848332 268592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least the Finnish suffix I'd use in that sentence is most closely related to the "in" preposition. < 1331848339 885107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, your content area has a 1px border at the bottom of it. < 1331848340 773245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do say "in the Internet" too. < 1331848346 595500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly, because the sidebar doesn't. < 1331848374 359281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's for when the content is shorter than the menu. There's ways to do proper 2-column with portable CSS these days, you know. < 1331848392 474434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but websites aren't my thing. And I read through like three Google results on the topic. < 1331848436 848874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the continuing "EVERY WAY IN WHICH FIZZIE'S WEBSITE IS WRONG" series, you have an non-canonical trailing / in your link to mcmap. < 1331848465 823215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also surely "gcolor" belongs in "code".) < 1331848490 678324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I could manage myself to actually show any code. :p < 1331848506 527300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's "closed sauce". < 1331848514 75427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the colour of "closed source"? < 1331848539 52002 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My marinara is closed sauce. < 1331848560 915203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll calculate. It will take 8 minutes. (I have rather paranoid delays in the Google-facing bits.) < 1331848590 381037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :closet sauce < 1331848592 108474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, the dragon curve logo is way too slow. < 1331848592 348922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'm taking a stand against todays instant-gratification age and blah blah blah. < 1331848600 793811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually all of them are, apparently. < 1331848625 153295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in fact the fastest of them. If it's the l-system dragon-curve. < 1331848661 685384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are your http://zem.fi/misc_logo.html lines really that long? < 1331848681 324048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly. It's a direct inclusion of logo-images.txt. < 1331848691 724172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should've supported continuation lines. < 1331848696 21361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if I read your source code right, your menu is broken if JS is disabled. < 1331848719 231985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't you add at least ? < 1331848726 197227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS just does the underlining of "current" item. < 1331848729 36402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331848729 531166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest of it is static HTML. < 1331848735 188499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1331848738 4624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331848738 204594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :navopen('misc') is suspicious. < 1331848744 808218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's "open" as in "underline it". < 1331848747 310384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331848750 909903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual meaning of "open". < 1331848765 926662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that fizzie considers two zem.fi links "external". < 1331848766 201406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because it does .addClass('open'), but that doesn't affect visibility. < 1331848781 150372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they lead "away" from the thing. < 1331848808 691047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pattern Recognition Society of Finland gave it the "best pattern recognition master's thesis in Finland 2009" award." < 1331848814 753280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not sound like a particularly tough competition. < 1331848818 993148 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331848842 221241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't really know how many competitors there were. Probably not more than a dozen? < 1331848858 984670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... 600% of Finland's population? < 1331848885 849530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, you made a typo in one of your last 50 lines. < 1331848892 361574 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1331848895 443343 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1331848933 29078 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331848948 677211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: this comment has to be a gripe at the wording rather than serious confusion, right...? <-- you'd think :P < 1331848998 732918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Kochsnowflake_algorith_modified.jpg Oo-ah. < 1331849017 606231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, is it possible to compute the fixed point of an L-system? < 1331849052 817242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that doesn't make much sense, since the result is an infinite set... how about "is the predicate 'point (x,y) in the fixed point of an L-system' computable"? < 1331849075 399023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except x and y are reals, but... you work out what I mean. < 1331849114 281045 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE1E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331849150 497307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the logos are kinda silly. Like http://zem.fi/index.html?logo=ifszem < 1331849214 177230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "silly", you mean "I will now promote the best logo"? < 1331849252 689319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which one is the best. Personally I kind of like the trees, but admittedly they're what everyone does. < 1331849258 694229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i only quarter-remember what an L-system is. < 1331849283 854689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-system#Example_6:_Sierpinski_triangle these things. < 1331849355 110174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's lsierp2. :p < 1331849364 516575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was sort of not having very many original ideas.) < 1331849411 550001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You forgot to ATTRIBUTE WIKIPEDIA. < 1331849439 345430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, that's a CAPITAL OFFICE. < 1331849474 23548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CAPITOL < 1331849542 159882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wouldn't this lead to the usual issues with equality of computable reals? < 1331849542 864067 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331849558 481062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, it seems easy enough... < 1331849567 105876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, let's require x and y to be rationals. < 1331849594 431045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just iterate and check, unless there's some kind of bound you can establish for how long it'll take an L-system to draw there. < 1331849687 807598 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331849722 721697 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331849762 222558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm on second thought, i guess that could be tricky. < 1331849848 747917 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331850096 747994 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331850139 547569 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331850232 809236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders that EsoAPI revision deletion. < 1331850245 730118 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331850281 50518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if our wiki had a license which required attribution, then you would also have to delete any _other_ text introduced in those hidden revisions. but since we don't, i guess you don't. < 1331850351 582875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, since the edit author and summary are still in the history, maybe it wouldn't matter regardless < 1331850421 708932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, no license requires you to provide diffs of every stage of a page's development. < 1331850466 433129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's very unfortunate that someone can make years' worth of history and development completely inaccessible with an innocent attempt to preserve content. < 1331850470 703655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully the changes were minor in this instance. < 1331850543 937405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in _theory_ you could somehow provide censored diffs to preserve some of the rest < 1331850550 149959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"someone can make years' worth of history and development completely inaccessible", really? < 1331850583 561884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, if the material added was copyrighted < 1331850590 221668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the revisions have to be hidden < 1331850593 770490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their entirety < 1331850602 889645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, it would be nice to be able to do that. < 1331850653 69988 :augur!~augur@pool-71-246-64-139.bltmmd.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331850664 164833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you argue that since the later revisions have been made from readers of the older revisions, everything's a derived work and you have to restart from before the copyrighted addition? < 1331850690 614567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Certainly, but probably not convincingly. < 1331850693 795543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right I completely forgot closed source => #bf886e open source => #6cc459 see closed source is INDUSTRY DEATH GRAY BROWN CRAP while open source is LIVING MOTHER EARTH GREEN SPIRIT both are at http://zem.fi/misc_gcolorex.html with colors. < 1331850721 44102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What... what did gcolor do to you? < 1331850748 783302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should add a CGI script where you can submit queries to get results for! < 1331850765 403355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should. Or something interactive like that, anyway. < 1331850814 367424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does surprisingly well for "Cthulhu". < 1331850822 770889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since when did you have such classy site design? < 1331850828 800737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S HORRIFYING < 1331850830 999760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEM.FI HAS BEEN DESTROYED < 1331850837 853771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG A BIO < 1331850844 205189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should also make it output averages of all the thumbnails it uses! < 1331850850 29879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With RGB *and* HSV! < 1331850856 313184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, some rescaling may be required.) < 1331850871 424426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Since, like, one day ago, and elliott's been busily enumerating its many faults. < 1331850879 604396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the program code for the gcolor available? < 1331850917 180170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dude, your bio doesn't even mention your favourite food. < 1331850919 132217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No :( :( but I'll try to put it somewhere reasonably soon. < 1331850942 93697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those upstart thecolorof.com "we don't have any parametric distributions at all" subhumans have it a lot more interactiver-er and flashy. :'( < 1331850944 547103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heikki Kallasjoki". officially, "fizzie" < 1331850954 173873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: out of curiosity, why aren't e.g. BitBitJump and Brainfuck abbreviated in the header of EsoInterpreters? < 1331850958 347183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language did you use to write it? < 1331850961 428754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to have swapped the period and the comma in your bio < 1331850961 891385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think officially I'm now "null Kallasjoki". < 1331850981 785871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old nullsy. < 1331850984 865372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's in Python, and it uses the Numpy package for the more mathematical parts. < 1331850991 386956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you've changed your name recently? < 1331851004 235144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: My ISP graciously changed it for me. < 1331851018 713328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I assume so.) < 1331851046 47866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (translation: in my rewrite of [[EsoInterpreter]]'s table, is there any reason to keep it like that?) < 1331851217 905598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm a bit wary of that abbreviation in general... < 1331851231 393540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course it makes it less wide < 1331851280 84500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, maybe we should use vertical text for that instead ;P < 1331851295 139614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was what the original version did. < 1331851296 826075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was hideous.) < 1331851300 75110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it used
s < 1331851304 507641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotated text might work < 1331851308 434942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it can be hovered over < 1331851322 466994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can be rotated with css) < 1331851412 622657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (now I'm thinking that might be a good idea...) < 1331851414 572254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i recently saw something about that, but i also read that it was one of things which strangely _only_ IE supported :P < 1331851421 608981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331851428 114597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course that may be outdated. < 1331851445 37020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read in the Wikipedia table help, i think) < 1331851471 342310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it works cross-browser nowaday < 1331851471 694694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1331851482 369004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be best is a slanted table heading, where the text is on a diagonal < 1331851488 703606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but CSS can't do things /that/ advanced, afaik < 1331851511 449691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforms should let you rotate it any which way you want, I think < 1331851848 601239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, but the table headings need to line up properly < 1331851861 778462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should attach to the top of the rows, and be "lined up" with each other < 1331851867 55229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331851881 121185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if I rotated the text to be vertical then rotated the whole th it could work < 1331851934 919871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why isn't there a web interface to gcolour < 1331851996 188248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just proposed that < 1331851997 732930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shithead < 1331851998 937999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ban Phantom_Hoover < 1331852001 945107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331852214 603814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[{{#if: {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?article}} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?article}} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?name}} }} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?name}}]] < 1331852220 782800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It takes eight minutes with my current "very polite" google-scripts, it's not exactly interactively-friendly, except maybe in a queue form. And the webserver probably doesn't have most of the things installed; I'm sure it doesn't have numpy. But yes, it's been proposed. < 1331852253 229145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in javascript, let it run on the user's computer instead? < 1331852264 667608 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoa, man, crazy esolang you've got there. < 1331852266 746838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/sandbox/table < 1331852268 155600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1331852271 823154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the *browser, I mean < 1331852292 502084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was imagining that there'd be a queue of requests-to-be-done that you could see, and if it's short enough you could add an entry. < 1331852307 29905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After filling out a CAPTCHA to prevent bots making it useless, I suppose.) < 1331852309 774479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's one way, but then the results don't end up shared. And JavaScript doesn't run numpy either. < 1331852316 985031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a big (searchable?) list of requests it's already done. < 1331852341 526429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittely there's not *that* much of the math.) < 1331852342 937322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course if you entered something that's already been done into the box it'd just send you there. (Maybe with a "refresh" link to re-add it to the queue if it's more than a few months old.) < 1331852348 389660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you could store all the historical versions too!!!! The best.) < 1331852364 883664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I'm not sure if JavaScript Math has modified Bessel functions of the first kind.) < 1331852365 111987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can put the results on your server without putting all the work there < 1331852374 450545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But then people could CHEAT. < 1331852383 85586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload it full of RED. < 1331852411 995762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it all chartreuse or thursday < 1331852424 895192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your month colours are surprisingly good. < 1331852452 482533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nostalgia = indifference. < 1331852459 570317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "July" is the way it is because most (all?) of the images are for July 4th fireworks; and all February results are Valentine's day -related. < 1331852475 747226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1331852483 616003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your menu might want to be position: fixed. < 1331852495 299145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very possible. < 1331852533 354310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should probably be keeping a list of notes.) < 1331852535 898305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you really have rights to redistribute https://gist.github.com/2017454#file_d3des.c? < 1331852538 871284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * These changes are: < 1331852539 33680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge. All Rights Reserved. < 1331852605 527081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw something BSDy about it, but I see I have not reproduced the license bit. < 1331852618 723869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's from some other VNC implementation, IIRC.) < 1331852718 561686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okey, http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/sandbox/table now looks like a thing. Except that it doesn't ever omit columns/rows when it should. < 1331852728 398091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have also forgotten to include d3des.h in the Gist. < 1331852738 577215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "may" I mean "". < 1331852747 631218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you sure that thing -- with its full README and many files -- is really Gist's intended audience? :p < 1331852753 846579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they have a larger version of Gists now, for actual projects. < 1331852780 979501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not violating anyone's rights if it's just in a "Gist". < 1331852855 40163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the Berne Convention begs to differ. < 1331852866 121734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, "not having rights" =/= "violating someone's rights".) < 1331852892 13603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all the links go to example.com < 1331852916 65708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, same d3des.c with not much about the license (with no comments in the other licensing bits, except "Parts of QEMU have specific licenses which are compatible -- each source file contains its own licensing information") is in qemu's trunk. < 1331852921 378076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, they do. < 1331852942 51182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Better: Let Fabrice Bellard: know. < 1331852976 955195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are they supposed to do that!!? < 1331852998 770658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Outerbridge would be spinning in his grave if he knew. (And was dead. (Is he dead?)) < 1331853010 372872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Outerbridge" sounds like a made-up name anyway! < 1331853029 779504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. < 1331853032 813956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an example.com. < 1331853203 666631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/File:Vimesmine.jpg < 1331853211 165435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst rendition of Vimes... ever? < 1331854054 632445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, the E.ON energy company is my only mental association with 'eon'. <-- my mental association with 'eon' is a norwegian comic that's essentially a bloom county clone < 1331854243 497007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second main character introduced in it was God, btw < 1331854364 875066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another nice character is a fundamentalist christian lady who keeps getting into battles with the main characters for their being heathen scum (and yes, that includes God) < 1331854380 286582 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331855951 381888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds