< 1331942489 488981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to derive the Applicative laws from saying (pure mempty) and (liftA2 mappend) form a monoid? (Note that the Applicative itself is not constrained, and that the types of these things are more general then what I specified here)
< 1331942511 424102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I missed one thing: Also that it is a Functor.
< 1331942521 399749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be assumed too
< 1331942637 845368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey is "What hath I wrought" valid.
< 1331942675 560225 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1331942683 483687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do i make it valid.
< 1331942692 98392 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I wrought
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< 1331942712 482833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
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< 1331944103 401816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the context is a certain answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9745539/how-do-i-create-haskell-functions-that-return-functions. which one will become apparent if you read the page.)
< 1331944610 371993 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1331944785 921693 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1331945187 688580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever useful that a continuation can form a ring? Is the free Alternative instance for continuations every useful?
< 1331945354 406381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1331945390 85140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no.
< 1331945391 655557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two
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< 1331946080 860681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have a fairly dumb question to throw out there.. im wondering what sort of computational class i would have if programs consist of a sequence of optionally labelled lines: goto line and print text
< 1331946178 203759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be like: 1:goto 10. 5: print world. goto 11. 10: print hello. goto 5. 11:undocumented end command
< 1331946730 742889 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that can print a finite or infinite amount of text. I don't think printing counts as computation?
< 1331946736 627520 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I'm missing something
< 1331946759 366697 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it terminates or it doesn't, and it's easy to determine statically.
< 1331947043 514985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1331947072 971282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1331947079 339729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a computational class, because it always does the same thing
< 1331947094 124679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't accept/reject strings, or return values based on inputs, or anything like that
< 1331947105 679373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a graph
< 1331947154 721254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd probably categorise it as [[Category:Finite state automata]].
< 1331947302 596149 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so do turing machines.
< 1331947316 520208 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless the tape counts as input?
< 1331947327 70236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought turing machines start with blank tape
< 1331947345 980760 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess that doesn't make sense.
< 1331947448 124876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1331947492 716725 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines accept/reject a string
< 1331947524 614597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the string is given as the initial contents of the tape
< 1331947535 390697 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the machine can enter an accept or reject state
< 1331947571 980080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you can talk about Turing machines implementing functions, in which case the input is the starting tape and the output is the final tape
< 1331947687 357808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines which accept/reject strings give you the computational classes R (recursive languages) and RE (recursively enumerable languages)
< 1331947735 84587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is just a set of strings
< 1331947757 806413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is in RE if there exists a TM which accepts all strings in the language
< 1331947764 300756 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is in R if there exists a TM which accepts all strings in the language, and rejects all strings not in the language
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< 1331947851 945761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the initial tape is always blank then you cannot use your TMs to define languages; however they are still interesting in other ways, for example deciding whether one halts is still uncomputable
< 1331947933 571031 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there is an alternative definition of RE which uses TMs that have blank input and a second write-only 'output tape'
< 1331948002 383331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that formulation, a language L is RE iff there's some TM such that any string in L is eventually output by the TM
< 1331948016 687223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: prove that the two definitions of RE are equivalent
< 1331948038 126521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, professor kmc
< 1331948177 641727 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said 'accepts all strings in the language' i should have also said 'and no others'
< 1331948192 437839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott
< 1331948282 259419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thofessor kmc
< 1331948304 838906 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thall
< 1331948325 114751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thion
< 1331948348 901429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thaxiom of choice
< 1331948384 741149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thod it's over
< 1331948446 895529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lord
< 1331948447 446639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.
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< 1331951126 985829 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexhiom of choice.
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< 1331952398 932670 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asleep for several hours and nothing happened Oo
< 1331952443 165932 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: Nothing exists while you slumber.
< 1331952448 700433 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are merely your delusions.
< 1331952553 605564 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1331952556 943440 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1331952701 673524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1331953289 289940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp!
< 1331953363 267885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the minimum value of x such that if i adversarily give you x of the n^2+2 "obvious" data about an n-category venn diagram, you can completely solve it?
< 1331953447 836149 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :define an 'n-category Venn diagram'
< 1331953471 976199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :strike that n^2+2 part. that's too subjective.
< 1331953548 60589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: a set of n finite sets in a finite universe where all the elements are indistinguishable except by which of these sets they are members of
< 1331953846 471011 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have n sets
< 1331953888 531020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1331953890 89312 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the set of these sets S
< 1331953896 365637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1331953939 130950 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the least x so that, given a function from P -> N, where P \subseteq P(S), defined by taking the size of the intersection of those sets, you can extend the function to be total on P(S)?
< 1331953946 68528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1331953971 280075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, yes
< 1331953983 124967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking
< 1331953987 647998 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n-n+1
< 1331953995 978720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get that?
< 1331954008 556847 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's just a system of linear equations
< 1331954035 778994 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are 2^n powersets, n of which contain a given set
< 1331954044 374334 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I can't count
< 1331954046 839905 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1331954051 168779 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(n-1)+1
< 1331954067 675523 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can drop the +1 if you aren't considering the empty set
< 1331954128 66939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. would keeping the +1 account for the elements in the universe that are in none of the sets?
< 1331954143 391638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the set of all elements not in any set we care about"
< 1331954177 365254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this formula isnt jibing with the base cases i have
< 1331954206 76890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz it takes 6 to solve n=3
< 1331954331 358876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having trouble visualizing the generalized system
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< 1331954592 658265 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how do you get that it takes 6 to solve n=3?
< 1331955057 708465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i don't actually.
< 1331955079 912755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a problem where 7 are given
< 1331955095 717997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have guessed 2^n-1 as the formula based on that
< 1331955173 970279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did you get 2^(n-1)+1?
< 1331955741 943220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it: http://mdm4u1.wetpaint.com/page/5.1+Organized+Counting+with+Venn+Diagrams
< 1331955859 743566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n-1 is correct
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< 1331956482 948186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE
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< 1331958925 919216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9740747/android-application-will-rock-the-world
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< 1331962165 480558 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, elliott monqy update
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< 1331963123 774646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1331963154 178490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1331967843 637988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/ this is completely impossible
< 1331968280 773742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh
< 1331968364 681122 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you make it so that people stop bringing up xmonad as an example of a Haskell project?
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< 1331968641 622389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why?
< 1331969125 440249 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because it's annoying. :-(
< 1331969215 300833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why?
< 1331969708 351768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants examples of Common Lisp projects
< 1331969753 744455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.
< 1331969755 169211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.
< 1331969756 401792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.
< 1331969802 494790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I suck at that game
< 1331969897 723278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much as me.
< 1331969902 446552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to like 20 seconds in. :(
< 1331970860 223377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Golf&diff=24233&oldid=16338 sigh
< 1331971138 981290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1331971268 710238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java%27 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java%27%27 i don't want these to exist
< 1331971311 764338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they exist
< 1331971473 238561 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's the complain against generic superclass? (Except that Java's isn't actually effective due to not containing primitives)
< 1331971492 5312 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java'' is just nonsensical
< 1331971535 169717 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, without generics
< 1331971565 433437 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just called old Java?
< 1331971653 996411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest merging the articles into a single article.
< 1331972041 188627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'd have one article that's twice as bad!
< 1331972188 754397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1331972289 362695 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it would also be twice as good.
< 1331972329 158825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you wouldn't have two articles like that.
< 1331972446 356008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How good are you at that game?
< 1331972462 770993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game?
< 1331972472 730005 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hexawhatever?
< 1331972479 730552 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably worse than you.
< 1331972488 746766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can feel happy about it.
< 1331973005 259251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1331974248 777870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh, now everything is rotating hexagonally in my mind.
< 1331974415 646671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know System.Random defines a monad?
< 1331975161 502097 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ꙭ
< 1331975224 983831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1331975356 821046 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE MONOCULAR O
< 1331975378 398927 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O
< 1331975412 653305 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O, the rather bizzare way in which I chose to determine it was rather silly
< 1331975486 183383 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted that character into another channel for no reason, THEN realized it could look like something other than eyes
< 1331975847 716087 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHY IS MY LAPTOP SO HOT
< 1331975862 827499 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What steps could I have taken in the relatively recent past to avoid this problem
< 1331975933 508962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I don't think the effort I put into responding to things shachaf says pays off.
< 1331975954 756184 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you could stop posting ASCII boobies?
< 1331975982 894183 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not actually intended to help with an issue of laptop heating)
< 1331976003 472312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boobies"? Is Sgeo 3?
< 1331976026 97770 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why I chose that word.
< 1331976051 477962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word is "eyes".
< 1331976204 321364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is not ASCII, isn't it?
< 1331976216 286068 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indeed, it is not ASCII
< 1331976220 318918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Extended ASCII
< 1331976317 114186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Rayman Origins is coming out for PCs?
< 1331976501 564495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1331976722 157098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is Typeable evil?
< 1331976848 936133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you evil?
< 1331976870 558278 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is Blizzard evil?
< 1331976877 414951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Wikia evil?
< 1331976883 215602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put nasty always-online DRM in Diablo III.
< 1331976889 385181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, Blizzard? Whizzard?
< 1331977754 874956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331978052 635312 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java's so stupid for not boxing primitives
< 1331978061 450527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead they should have put 10 years of research into automatic unboxing
< 1331978071 354446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then exposed the unboxed versions anyway because people neeeed speeeeed
< 1331978150 888876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should have just boxed them.
< 1331978152 413184 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is that in response to anything in particular?
< 1331978160 127705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what GHC did ;)
< 1331978171 931549 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids these days, you have it so easy
< 1331978175 443683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, applets Swing would seal Java's reputation for slowness.
< 1331978179 244695 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxed values in Haskell are very different from boxed values in Java.
< 1331978185 251056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they could sacrifice unboxed primitives and not lose much in terms of speed rep.
< 1331978192 635706 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day every function had to start with a guard | x `seq` y `seq` z `seq` False = undefined
< 1331978195 62091 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY FUNCTION.
< 1331978196 11097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applets and Swing
< 1331978212 574403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was your day?
< 1331978214 971352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007?
< 1331978225 196698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started learning Haskell in 2006
< 1331978241 800763 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a dinosaur.
< 1331978251 146087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxing serves a common purpose in Haskell and Java
< 1331978254 263557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 was 6 years ago. :-(
< 1331978255 711654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? That's only one or two years earlier than me.
< 1331978262 334144 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to enable polymorphism
< 1331978265 967038 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a dinosaur.
< 1331978268 957528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm not actually an old-timer, it just amuses me to say such things
< 1331978284 747842 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott and I first joined #haskell within a week of each other.
< 1331978286 924160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc must be like 7. :(
< 1331978295 440269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui you can't have an ArrayList<int> for roughly the same reason you can't have an [Int#]
< 1331978298 501461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you first joined #haskell in 2002, and are 28.
< 1331978302 84895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are facts I know.
< 1331978330 135576 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I was wrong.
< 1331978330 354872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe these days ArrayList<int> is secret code for ArrayList<Integer>?
< 1331978353 16163 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some automatic conversions were added in Java [1.]5
< 1331978355 269627 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do what C++ did.
< 1331978360 169783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's foolproof.
< 1331978380 713229 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better fool, etc
< 1331978399 569714 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nickserv says I registered on Freenode in 2004.
< 1331978404 980032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is such a dinosaur. :-(
< 1331978412 942154 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331978428 913246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because NickServ reset in 2004.
< 1331978433 591558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually registered your nick in 2001.
< 1331978437 446832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACTS I KNOW.
< 1331978451 209810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, Java should basically just have been Lisp instead.
< 1331978454 768896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would have been good
< 1331978456 218135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1331978456 950996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.
< 1331978471 151654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the Most Powerful Language ™
< 1331978494 710026 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little-known fact: John McCarthy invented Java in 1957.
< 1331978509 572646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to say that whoever came up with the <> syntax for C++ templates should, e.g. start a home for orphaned kittens or something.
< 1331978516 514818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they want a good afterlife.
< 1331978525 562403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a home. A hospital.
< 1331978530 746253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hospital for injured, orphaned kittens.
< 1331978534 972274 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he hid the manuscript describing it, which was only rediscovered by James Gosling in 1995.
< 1331978536 382228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john mccarthy richard nixon studebaker television
< 1331978560 600935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's wrong with that syntax?
< 1331978572 536297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only improvement they could make would be to add close tags at the end of a template definition.
< 1331978587 279621 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you know that interpreting >> as double close template rather than right shift can change a valid C++03 program into another valid program which does something different?
< 1331978588 595379 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :template<typename T> struct Foo { ... } template</typename T>;
< 1331978622 469401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So C++11 changed the meaning of existing programs?
< 1331978626 668330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because <> are The Ugliest Brackets.
< 1331978632 574222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when nested.
< 1331978635 108854 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so, i doubt that's the only way either
< 1331978635 308536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you were being unserious.
< 1331978636 459878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures.
< 1331978652 441299 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» for template brackets!
< 1331978654 629730 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::cout << (Y<X< 1>>::c >::c>::c) << '\n';
< 1331978657 953791 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG21/docs/papers/2005/n1757.html
< 1331978662 773452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, nooooooo
< 1331978685 882612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc will need to find ever more esoteric quotation marks.
< 1331978687 419704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-236-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331978696 175382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am not going to put up with SMBC any longer.
< 1331978696 416914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1331978719 142772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now STRUCK FROM MY SUBSCRIPTIONS
< 1331978720 59939 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1331978724 590396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, 「i've always been fond of these」
< 1331978747 22833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh hey ｢halfwidth｣
< 1331978784 827918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's halfway there! But I prefer: zerowidth
< 1331978799 79793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that joke doesn't really work when you can't tell there are quotation marks around it.
< 1331978800 75327 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will use zero-width non-breaking non-space
< 1331978908 473437 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know you could put "typedef" almost anywhere in a type definition?
< 1331978912 103264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int typedef x;
< 1331978921 933513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1331978924 480524 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { ... } typedef foo_t;
< 1331978943 104886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That latter one is actually a reasonable-looking syntax.
< 1331978961 821363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { ... } `typedef` foo_t;
< 1331978967 406766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1331979008 450144 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was trying to figure out a way to make Ruby accept that syntax but doubts that it's possible. :-(
< 1331979028 583543 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-0.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1331979035 994499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you got it to segfault, right?
< 1331979042 719678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just exploit the interpreter and monkeypatch the parsing routines
< 1331979051 800880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just exploit the interpreter and monkeypatch the parsing routines
< 1331979059 903696 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, a glitch in the matrix
< 1331979065 771662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the segfault doesn't happen in 1.9.3. :-(
< 1331979071 680183 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit a patch
< 1331979088 531664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, your time is up.
< 1331979094 4821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should I go eat a burrito in SF?
< 1331979127 366161 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&cid=13452708831306342560
< 1331979160 651067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, were you the one who told me about Maru Ichi in Mountain View?
< 1331979168 887868 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it, at least.
< 1331979172 366091 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you go?
< 1331979173 225203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I think at least three people told me)
< 1331979174 917536 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1331979176 955460 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really good!
< 1331979211 702321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have the kuro ramen?
< 1331979216 332191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so
< 1331979220 216481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's very good.
< 1331979229 792445 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their one vegetarian soup is also good.
< 1331979238 367169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> kmc: Did you know you could put "typedef" almost anywhere in a type definition?
< 1331979238 626756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> int typedef x;
< 1331979239 914391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you serious?
< 1331979271 953993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "typedef" is a "storage class specifier" syntactically.
< 1331979273 962992 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "const".
< 1331979291 537649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not like "const".
< 1331979293 920606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int typedef const x;
< 1331979295 203896 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "statuc".
< 1331979300 187618 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/i/
< 1331979336 684368 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'm going to be in SF Mon and Wed.
< 1331979339 917107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 16th St. is a bit far.
< 1331979342 758487 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for?
< 1331979348 465418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ride the BART
< 1331979368 368832 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. I'll see how much time I'll have.
< 1331979381 769726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in SF will you be?
< 1331979389 383380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const typedef int foo;
< 1331979393 174956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typedef can't change.
< 1331979397 583544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++
< 1331979408 950845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage-class-specifiers are pretty much identical to type-specifiers, type-qualifiers and function-specifiers, syntactically, so "like const" is not so far off.
< 1331979438 937719 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't int (*typedef foo)();
< 1331979475 186087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1331979476 151363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's not what I said.
< 1331979482 504153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inline" is a function-specifier.
< 1331979512 961386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But if you could!
< 1331979514 632115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "const" *does* fit there.
< 1331979528 719465 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Mostly pretty close to the 4th St. Caltrain, I think.
< 1331979534 263326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is my main reference point in SF. :-)
< 1331979562 987217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979572 711354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Driving directions to 16, Mission, TX 78572'
< 1331979574 509792 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, google
< 1331979600 963869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979602 246137 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY FACEBOOK IS WINNING, GOOGLE
< 1331979605 611770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979607 674228 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your directions right.
< 1331979614 340740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979621 28408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamericans.
< 1331979630 472067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I would walk to Mission and take a bus on Mission
< 1331979632 336120 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like walking
< 1331979642 883741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979662 969456 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however "32, cambridge ma" is useful
< 1331979666 693771 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't mind walking.
< 1331979669 324815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979681 632854 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is whether I'll have enough time.
< 1331979684 784687 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even gets the city name right!
< 1331979722 654149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that when I mark an email unread in Gmail, the Android Gmail client beeps?
< 1331979725 984055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979739 453027 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need that notification, Android Gmail client. I just marked that email unread. I know about its existence.
< 1331979745 241580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979746 260703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all living in amerika
< 1331979749 961086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amerika ist wunderbar
< 1331979771 194261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1331979771 743109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1331979773 39635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans.
< 1331979776 736101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.That was only
< 1331979779 736816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant tob e one ellipsis.
< 1331979783 536593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant computer
< 1331979826 104064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.
< 1331979839 116086 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can make Ruby handle all of: uint32_t multiple, values; char string[12], val; uint32_t bit:1, fields:7; char matrix[256][256]; char *ptrs[5], byte, *ptr_matrix[8][8]; bool **ptr_to_ptr; uint32_t * ptr_array_with_whitespace[256]; char byte_arr_with_other_whitespace [256];
< 1331979860 267457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy made another edit! Im so proude.
< 1331979896 867737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy Well done , son .
< 1331979897 117763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1331979900 475460 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the best train?
< 1331979962 721423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of them all?
< 1331979966 635268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1331979971 629061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1331979975 727685 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1331979978 288317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no train expert
< 1331979991 233411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best train
< 1331979993 372579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1331980001 118422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jumbo jet train
< 1331980003 533179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can train
< 1331980004 828875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND fly
< 1331980015 499316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just going along happily training
< 1331980015 911236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is no train expert⸘
< 1331980016 831581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then
< 1331980019 551259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift up into the air
< 1331980024 711125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and find another railway to land on
< 1331980026 903404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My worldview is ruined. :-(
< 1331980027 591168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could happen to you
< 1331980031 855110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who flipped my interrobang?
< 1331980039 30331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel as if my wisdom is not being appreciated here
< 1331980040 368622 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⸘How did that happen‽
< 1331980050 898263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first TGV was turbine powered
< 1331980087 504601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- kmc "no train expert" kmc
< 1331980113 172008 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc's last name is McAllister.
< 1331980119 793754 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc "no train expert" McAllister
< 1331980136 879892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1331980138 191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kmc.
< 1331980145 516040 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :km"kmc"c
< 1331980151 392766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1331980153 353061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc "kmc" kmc
< 1331980165 490830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1=(kmc #1# kmc)
< 1331980168 234631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that the right syntax?)
< 1331980183 504569 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp is never the right syntax.
< 1331980189 229167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaml has syntax for that
< 1331980198 803930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML has syntax for everything.
< 1331980200 316906 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, & and *
< 1331980223 45880 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YADGL
< 1331980233 979257 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know "YAML" originally stood for "Yet Another Markup Language"?
< 1331980240 310228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1331980250 699852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is a YAML MVP.
< 1331980260 814475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :employee of the month
< 1331980262 973461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's got all the YAML facts.
< 1331980282 803688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't help it! I have YAML pushed on me by -- certain members of the YAML community.
< 1331980291 616272 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the radical YAML agenda
< 1331980306 919631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to teach YAML in public schools
< 1331980308 677613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Plural?
< 1331980323 982901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once tried to make a Lisp dialect whose syntax was YAML? Spoiler: it didn't work out because YAML is terrible.
< 1331980362 113441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :02ED7    CJK RADICAL YAML
< 1331980365 285617 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I could use ⸘‽ for quotes!
< 1331980377 872002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should tell those certain members that OGDL is way nicer.
< 1331980388 741748 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, mostly just one of them.
< 1331980439 505070 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly elliott, YAML is for data
< 1331980452 632179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGDL isn't?
< 1331980453 588754 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :code is data, dude
< 1331980455 640464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even in the name.
< 1331980457 896546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Lisp thing.
< 1331980470 988960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and codata is cocode
< 1331980490 783285 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "co" Desktop Environment.
< 1331980501 128882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *de
< 1331980556 605362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that smuggling weasels is illegal in 24 states, including Alaska, Hawaii and the Philippines?
< 1331980672 175188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you want, you can join #haskell.
< 1331980683 746551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want, you can ENLARG3 Y0UR MORTGAG3 QUICK AT xn--80afbi5amoq.info
< 1331980689 490380 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses, you beat me to it.
< 1331980741 545505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, you're meant to report spam in #freenode, right?
< 1331980745 698346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget how these things work.
< 1331980762 364542 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're meant to not care.
< 1331980764 25462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Fifo2 (58d42422@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.36.34) has joined #freenode
< 1331980764 187324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> spammer in #haskell: <Fifo> raichoo: If you want, you can /join ##iPhoneFifo.
< 1331980769 977033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT MY EXCELLENT TIMING.
< 1331980775 604612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :APATHY will lead us to VICTORY
< 1331980788 675461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But if I do this, then I sometimes get personal attacks from the spammers.
< 1331980790 272899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hilarious.
< 1331980800 639371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist_man_MANS = mosh.1 mosh-client.1 mosh-server.1
< 1331980802 168619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar mans
< 1331980826 115605 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: autowhatever should have a pluralization engine like Rails.
< 1331980834 894340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1331980838 86355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist_man_MEN
< 1331980851 147192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Fifo2> elliott: I'm NOT a spammer!
< 1331980851 308986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> well... you asked someone to join your completely unrelated channel out of the blue... which is spam
< 1331980862 446191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one mistake:
< 1331980863 213945 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How exciting.
< 1331980873 443348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is actually a canned meat product.
< 1331980875 603433 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in SF i saw a bird that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck but isn't
< 1331980878 357797 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I don't even need to report spammers to deal with their complaints.
< 1331980880 491735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this technicality Fifo shall ROAM FREE
< 1331980880 653570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a duck)
< 1331980895 231107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't tell all the Ruby people there!
< 1331980900 238837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a coot!
< 1331980901 327739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Fifo2> elliott: Fuck you!
< 1331980903 380620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, shachaf.
< 1331980952 204107 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in PM?
< 1331980955 113758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see it in logz
< 1331980956 244992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, in #freenode.
< 1331980960 337166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh
< 1331980966 398419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331980970 821689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the spammer be in #freenode
< 1331980977 853901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They joined about 5 seconds before I reported it.
< 1331980986 830487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guilty conscience, perhaps?
< 1331980991 974851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're just trying to see how quickly they can get k-lined.
< 1331980998 775454 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wouldn't it be easier to keep a #haskell tab open than to look at logs?
< 1331981003 451662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to get k-lined but all i got was this lousy t-shirt
< 1331981006 215393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that they said "hi" before spamming, though.
< 1331981010 102368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And waited for a reply.
< 1331981013 94259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mighty considerate of them.
< 1331981019 690215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you just got t-lined, then?
< 1331981024 429878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that would reduce the energy barrier of replying to a dangerous level
< 1331981026 725338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kline oerjan
< 1331981041 132868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a k-shirt might be something weird to wear
< 1331981049 470551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if I set up a bot in here that lets you send messages to #haskell with a single command?
< 1331981051 684249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should patch XChat to forbid sending messages to #haskell
< 1331981053 287432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you leave?
< 1331981058 132307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1331981066 247473 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++11 supports "for (int &x : array)"?
< 1331981073 172542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's the best
< 1331981075 449956 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-9.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331981078 195686 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess only for arrays whose length is known at compile-time.
< 1331981081 521349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if I set up a bot in here that forwarded everything you say to #haskell?
< 1331981083 172554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for iteratable things too
< 1331981090 378623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if Fuck you!
< 1331981108 563312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hurt.
< 1331981112 135463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1331981112 481758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION report kmc to staffers.
< 1331981120 551353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want you can join #esoteric
< 1331981126 954230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can /query kmc.
< 1331981135 163581 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can dance if we want to
< 1331981136 882134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll be talking TO YOURSELF.
< 1331981152 854139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to yourself in /query is an interesting experience with somewhat high latency.
< 1331981177 899386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take this to mean that shachaf regularly /queries himself.
< 1331981184 690994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to notice the oddity of increased latency.
< 1331981203 733740 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Little-known fact: I'm kmc.
< 1331981216 678793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to keep the /queries going so the NSA won't suspect anything.
< 1331981240 618209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# chmod 777 mosh-client
< 1331981240 780015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l
< 1331981240 942055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :----rwxr-x system   sdcard_rw  5081976 2012-03-14 22:11 mosh-client
< 1331981243 944755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention i hate android
< 1331981257 976127 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSA: The most intrusive of the "A"s.
< 1331981270 853741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'st he FBI.
< 1331981272 404142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's the
< 1331981297 555602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does the Mosh exist for the Android? Or are you porting it?
< 1331981301 695806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting it
< 1331981304 752850 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1331981354 643822 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this why you were writing ARM shellcode?
< 1331981358 362962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1331981366 151788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what is the Mosh?
< 1331981373 924179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/keithw/mosh
< 1331981424 522282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like: Mostly Shit.
< 1331981428 574122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn
< 1331981429 545099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or MoENTIRELY Shit???
< 1331981441 939390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like how it links to http://mosh.mit.edu which redirects back to the page itself.
< 1331981445 161294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me want to hurt things. :(
< 1331981455 866085 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a low anger threshold
< 1331981469 418078 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the mosh that broke the camel's back.
< 1331981471 770526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that prediction thing is cool.
< 1331981475 273787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where elliott is the camel.
< 1331981485 628155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the fact that line-editing is done remotely is just a flaw of SSH anyway.
< 1331981501 742655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't blame SSH in general
< 1331981504 983979 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cooked mode, sure
< 1331981515 41336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mosh's prediction works even in fullscreen curses apps
< 1331981516 398052 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What I mean to say is: You're a camel.
< 1331981530 580387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've said that in another channel, except that... Oh.
< 1331981534 7501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, what I mean is that the entire SSH model is broken and everything is wrong and sucks, but I decided to focus my complaint.
< 1331981544 258423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by 'SSH' you mean 'Unix' then sure
< 1331981547 322761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1331981553 475000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, focus.
< 1331981558 552863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does @ support SSH?
< 1331981568 635409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1331981579 2657 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick question: @ doesn't support anything
< 1331981582 15858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1331981592 230414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports the revolutionary @sec
< 1331981614 443411 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sec id
< 1331981614 741176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :id x = x
< 1331981615 86267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I @told oerjan some things in the log. Maybe?
< 1331981644 388594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that was yesterday
< 1331981646 191351 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you help me reset my sleep schedule?
< 1331981656 576936 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broken.
< 1331981670 684092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, I don't need mosh because I have a LOCAL ORAGNIC FARM-GROWN SERVER in my HOMELAND.
< 1331981683 87679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm prepared to be UNBEARABLY SMUG ABOUT IT.
< 1331981727 329907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~$ sudo apt-get install mosh
< 1331981727 491557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sudo] password for elliott: 
< 1331981727 491748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading package lists... Done
< 1331981727 491852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building dependency tree       
< 1331981727 491956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading state information... Done
< 1331981727 941745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Unable to locate package mosh
< 1331981731 473146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even in the Best Debian Release.
< 1331981740 872581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's woody.)
< 1331981752 85976 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. You just need to use äpt-gët
< 1331981757 857099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By woody, I mean hamm.
< 1331981761 624787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamm is the best Debian release.
< 1331981765 898248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was Debian 1.0 called?
< 1331981778 945291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why are you doing mad-libs
< 1331981780 549324 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There WAS NO DEBIAN 1.0
< 1331981792 235190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What?
< 1331981792 409101 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Potato was the best release.
< 1331981817 792785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debian 1.0 was never released: Accidently InfoMagic, a CD vendor, shipped the development release of Debian and entitled it 1.0. On December 11th 1995, Debian and InfoMagic jointly announced that this release was screwed."
< 1331981818 816988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1331981818 997715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: <elliott> kmc: Anyway, I don't need mosh because I have a LOCAL ORAGNIC FARM-GROWN SERVER in my HOMELAND.  <elliott> And I'm prepared to be UNBEARABLY SMUG ABOUT IT.
< 1331981830 85354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's an incredibly specific mad-lib template.
< 1331981838 548308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, but Debian 1.1 was released.
< 1331981841 106851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzz, apparently.
< 1331981854 509882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in #llvm on oftc recently.
< 1331981868 369749 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That channel made me feel bad.
< 1331981872 215826 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331981875 387045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1331981891 381015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Debian 1.1 didn't come out until after Ian Murdock stopped being project lead. An eventful career.
< 1331981909 913005 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO is so high that even asking my VAGUELY ON-TOPIC QUESTION decreased it.
< 1331981928 579712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt only came out in 1999?!
< 1331981951 223644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #haskell's signal-to-noise ratio isn't that bad right now! Admittedly, they're not talking about Haskell.
< 1331981958 272312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rc43> gaze__, hm, I am newbe in sound, five minutes ago I just used 6 parametrix EQs per a track with statically gained notes
< 1331981958 434349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rc43> gaze__, so If I coded a plugin, I did the same, without any analysis
< 1331981958 434664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<gaze__> I'd use the D vst api or the python one, and play with filters in matlab or something
< 1331981960 36897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell.
< 1331981966 788498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shachaf is doing mad-libs too.  freaky.
< 1331981969 806380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<gaze__> I mean you could write a haskell vst api but haskell doesn't buy you anything here
< 1331981973 165780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblig. "other than on-topicality".
< 1331981979 342668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc must appreciate my #haskell commentary.
< 1331981980 470056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do.
< 1331982028 802990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please, don't use plain String's (especially when you are processing >100m files). Just replace them with ByteString's"
< 1331982029 803227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was the point, yes.
< 1331982029 964899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1331982054 306915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus from the code they suggest: "  filename <- liftM getArgs"
< 1331982069 404789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah i guess i MISINTERPRETED it AS A COINCIDENCE
< 1331982094 834770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, woody -> sarge took an awful long time.
< 1331982105 610259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not that long.
< 1331982107 577407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But longish.
< 1331982114 612122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a CASE of bad GIRAFFE
< 1331982135 947724 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331982148 805782 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You don't remember the time when Debian had a REPUTATION of never RELEASING?
< 1331982164 938633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO remember THAT TIME.
< 1331982172 716485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#Complete
< 1331982175 612361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albeit I DIDN'T REALLY EXIST until AFTER IT.
< 1331982177 7298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz_SOURCES = main.c head.c float.c vortex9.c gun.c
< 1331982201 173814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Let's suppose you just finished writing zardoz, a program to make your head float from vortex to vortex."
< 1331982207 843543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No system is complete without a copy.
< 1331982216 649091 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else will you control the outlands
< 1331982231 845203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is LIKELY the MOST IMPORTANT THING you will READ all SEPTEMBER: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1331982247 474269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zarday 3 5 2, twenty brutals exterminated
< 1331982258 650462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Penis is evil! The Penis shoots Seeds, and makes new Life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the Gun shoots Death and purifies the Earth of the filth of Brutals. Go forth, and kill! Zardoz has spoken.
< 1331982310 123377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GNU project will touch-teach you
< 1331982320 672951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KGlobal::locale::Warning your global KLocale is being recreated with a valid main component instead of a fake component, this usually means you tried to call i18n related functions before your main component was created. You should not do that since it most likely will not work"
< 1331982349 168019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo? is that you?
< 1331982376 391636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit more polite than gnome's usual "GObject: *** CRITICAL:: FATAL ..."
< 1331982380 109194 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ didn't have "long long int" before C++11?
< 1331982388 275438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why these warnings are so enthusiastic! "Attempt to use QAction "view_projects" with KXMLGUIFactory!"
< 1331982389 555903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling by at hundreds per second with no apparent consequence
< 1331982392 848647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I found a bug in mosh.
< 1331982397 541054 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah?
< 1331982401 345051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in C++.
< 1331982405 710585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rimshot
< 1331982441 466987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder if the GNOME people have ever thought to look into those critical errors.
< 1331982462 92647 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about those critics.
< 1331982478 227119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haters gonna hate
< 1331982501 80982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRITICAL:: FATAL mismatched parentheses
< 1331982508 544710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm cloning something from GitHub, is there a reason to prefer https:// or git://
< 1331982514 290733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure what git: is, really.
< 1331982531 577533 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-aggrandization?
< 1331982538 638674 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently git: has its own protocol.
< 1331982542 492628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just use the default one it presents you.
< 1331982547 347710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is https.
< 1331982573 830451 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1331982634 115530 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1331982634 813906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have headache.
< 1331982649 975712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am... in possession of headache.
< 1331982661 507200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much headach
< 1331982662 326802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1331982717 540183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many to count!
< 1331982743 711739 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, you're in the mosh THANKS file.
< 1331982747 628507 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right after Richard Stallman.
< 1331982778 143703 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether kmc and nelhage are secretly the same person.
< 1331982783 7711 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1331982789 846545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's something weird about being next to richard stallman, but i cannot quite put my toe on it
< 1331982805 328711 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331982809 218458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: headache am uncountable noun
< 1331982820 292447 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331982837 763225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#freenode is an interesting place.
< 1331982850 876141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an invitation to join.
< 1331982889 507628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why would we be the same person?
< 1331982932 428192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something along the lines of "have they ever been seen together", but in this case I guess you're always seen together.
< 1331982933 276669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QFrame "", which already has a layout
< 1331983006 404112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ./configure builds and compiles a separate C program for uint16_t and uint32_t and ... and ...?
< 1331983014 875375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's how configure works
< 1331983016 557402 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't it do a binary search?
< 1331983034 896260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I found another bug in mosh!
< 1331983036 992287 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not surprised that it does that, given that the lines are separate and come after the other.
< 1331983041 535657 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/af/one af/
< 1331983066 775691 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're assuming that all systems, if they have uint8_t and uint32_t, have uint16_t
< 1331983088 62872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It uses autoconf.
< 1331983095 438343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're so helpful
< 1331983096 816510 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If systems were like that, we wouldn't need configure scripts
< 1331983097 644607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: No, I'm assuming that you can test all of those at once, and then check them individually if one of them fails.
< 1331983104 153580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Let me know when they're fixed.
< 1331983110 799344 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1331983118 514938 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/mosh-devel
< 1331983119 731272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Some would say we don't.
< 1331983154 247930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Post troll messages to MIT mailing lists?! I'D BE LUCKY TO SURVIVE
< 1331983191 866287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS regularly trolls the MIT CS department list
< 1331983197 664646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it failure? I wonder how many programs even care what named unsigned word sizes are available
< 1331983209 522434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but he's immortal.
< 1331983214 42909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *rms.
< 1331983215 785462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1331983247 279968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are archives of that list publicly available? I mean, watching rms embarrass himself is always fun.
< 1331983253 434174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know
< 1331983261 515606 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The point is that if it needs the information and all four of those are available with overwhelming probability, can't it just do one check?
< 1331983299 351010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Being reasonable is not an autoconf design goal.
< 1331983306 329017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should implement that and submit a patch to autoconf.
< 1331983315 17231 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of how much time would be saved waiting on ./configure scripts.
< 1331983322 921368 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Then again, you're assuming optimizing tendencies of people who write programs that write shell scripts.
< 1331983330 267127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html
< 1331983337 40091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, for Cygwin users that might actually help.
< 1331983342 15896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure usually takes 30s there.
< 1331983349 938698 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It takes too long everywhere.
< 1331983353 280816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seen & read & tshirt-bought.
< 1331983374 296544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Following your example, I might send the list an announcement whenever a new GNU program is written. That happens less often than babies are born, it does the world a lot more good, it reflects more conscious creativity and hard work, and some of the readers might actually find the information useful."
< 1331983384 833331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if rms has ever felt like an ass.
< 1331983385 543974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hundreds of thousands of babies are born every day. While the whole phenomenon is menacing, one of them by itself is not newsworthy."
< 1331983389 638663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would buy that on a tshirt
< 1331983422 565901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1331983422 841465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you. -Paul Traina
< 1331983423 3167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, thanks. I don't want to have children. -RMS
< 1331983423 22498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good -Peter Shipley
< 1331983423 255401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1331983437 2578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must avoid reading the original messages behind these summaries.
< 1331983440 913633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would ruin them.
< 1331983454 543766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, he's not wrong that babies are overrated
< 1331983510 276461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's TV; that doesn't make Area Man any less annoying.
< 1331983519 559010 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1331983642 343205 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1331983787 424345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1331983855 692792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing keeps complaining to me.
< 1331983859 689407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Application asked to unregister timer 0x72000001 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application."
< 1331983876 435490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1331983923 425278 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
< 1331984131 52151 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are Apple Dos. Simple and primitive with a good understanding of the common man.  You're still a work in progress, but a good start."
< 1331984272 592222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got TRSDOS in 2003.
< 1331984280 908176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should retry to see if it has changed.
< 1331984295 86448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, mooz was Windows 95 then. :p
< 1331984323 652265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there were two other TRSDOSes on the channel where it was discussed.
< 1331984352 870993 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am not completely sure about some questions I also sometimes get OS/2
< 1331984359 887755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Windows 95 is the perfect operating system, you know.
< 1331984477 156471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/windows_95.jpg
< 1331984479 298825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See.
< 1331984480 289933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told you.
< 1331984516 402403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Incidentally, the very next comment from him after "arg, I'm windows 95" was about Slaves to Armok.
< 1331984540 924801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@mooz> most people would implement the turning of gargoyles into stone in daylight by adding a condition
< 1331984543 925118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@mooz> in armok one makes the gargoyle skin material react with sunlight
< 1331984563 493738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I didn't interpret that as quiz talk at all.
< 1331984576 342619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant you acquired (and presumably started using) TRSDOS in 2003.
< 1331984579 678158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mooz used Windows 95.
< 1331984584 776036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No.
< 1331984584 977103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two other people in the channel used TRDOS too.
< 1331984594 774148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, that's... not the most likely thing.
< 1331984607 316562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean.
< 1331984608 949468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland.
< 1331984651 285897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :land of snow, knife fights and killer robots
< 1331984658 175558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> PathFinder's ping style is awesome.
< 1331984681 981488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What?
< 1331984693 9788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> See #haskell.
< 1331984703 95317 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Oh.
< 1331984719 981553 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently I'm windows 95
< 1331984720 784361 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have used Amiga Workbench 1.3 as my main os in 2009 and I propably could use Apple DOS as my main os.
< 1331984725 329209 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> If you want, you can /join #haskell
< 1331984738 842708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, today I'm Apple DOS 3.1.
< 1331984749 250178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Amiga in 2009?
< 1331984757 28742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You're hardcore.
< 1331984765 145520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris would be proud.
< 1331984766 103189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Told U I was"
< 1331984777 925843 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about DOS in 2010?
< 1331984806 52013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/U/u/
< 1331984820 824981 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Amiga is hardcore, DOS is dubstep.
< 1331984842 272214 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ./configure "checking whether build environment is sane" takes such a long time because it has a "sleep 1" in it.
< 1331984857 203648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it's just a really intense sanity test.
< 1331984872 289432 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure, psychlogist
< 1331984904 104804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't drive you crazy, you're definitely sane
< 1331984937 697881 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Windows 95 when I answered the least likely choice for me.
< 1331985053 459310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once used Windows 95 as my only OS for ~a WHOLE WEEK?
< 1331985094 481525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you read about cmccann's iteratee-thing?
< 1331985095 28623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once used Windows 95 as my only OS for ~a WHOLE LONG TIME?
< 1331985102 576392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was so excited about Windows 98.
< 1331985110 354318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what exciting features Windows 98 had?
< 1331985116 714105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98 was like Windows 95 except terrible.
< 1331985130 260405 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used Windows 95 as my only os for a year. After that I started using MS-DOS with DOSSHELL
< 1331985138 159328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had fun with win 3.1
< 1331985140 801831 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows 98 had the exciting Quick Launch bar!
< 1331985143 478897 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in 2004
< 1331985177 750464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only good thing about DOS is BASIC.
< 1331985183 652922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows 98 Hebrew Edition also reversed a bunch of things, so that the Close Restore Minimize buttons were on the left side and the Start Menu was on the right side.
< 1331985248 777296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99
< 1331985252 878604 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got qbasic 1.0 including nibbles.bas and gorilla.bas with dos (like everyone, i know)
< 1331985254 300775 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is also fucking fast on hardware where Win95 crawls
< 1331985259 245186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a lot of fun with that
< 1331985260 470269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTL languages are terrifying.
< 1331985295 152976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the code of nibbles and gorilla to be too difficult to understand though
< 1331985302 694637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: didn't answer my question. :(
< 1331985305 135003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/://
< 1331985323 781607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What question -- oh.
< 1331985325 739568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iteratees?
< 1331985330 295706 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read about iteratees.
< 1331985331 575558 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got QBASIC 1.1 with DOS and installed Borland C++ 3.1 afterwards
< 1331985335 839917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They're not iteratees, though!
< 1331985339 863154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's just linear logic.
< 1331985348 711667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except variables represent streams.
< 1331985362 783856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And negation turns outputs into inputs.
< 1331985369 949835 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds CRAZY.
< 1331985372 279416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eventually got given turbo pascal 6
< 1331985374 297814 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read it.
< 1331985402 644948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Stream (In a `Join` Out b) is a length-preserving (== always outputs one after reading one) transformation from streams of as to streams of bs.
< 1331985407 75019 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: is turbo pascal really as fast as they say
< 1331985410 178989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started trying to do stuff with egavga.bgi graphics library but it was so unbearably slow the way i was using it
< 1331985414 258973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Stream (In a `Or` Out b) can read and write according to its own whims.
< 1331985428 147921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stream (In a `Or` Out b `Or` Run m) is Pipe, supposedly.)
< 1331985439 746346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can zip them and things???
< 1331985452 534750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i wouldn't know. i'm just here in #esoteric as a tourist from newbie island
< 1331985452 843424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Borland C++ 4.52 on one of them CDs they used to tape onto the covers of PC magazines.
< 1331985507 533301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh yeah.. i got something like that too once was excited too.. but somehow disc got lost or something. 
< 1331985520 50986 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually learned programming by reading trough my father's old programs written in C when I was 8.
< 1331985549 884711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned programming when I was 8 too
< 1331985552 620159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too!
< 1331985555 845099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that was in 2004.
< 1331985590 348200 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I lerned it in 2005
< 1331985590 897112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a train wreck of a time learning to program.. many would say i never learned :D
< 1331985591 478382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I wonder if I still have that disc. I seem to have "PC Plus SuperCD no. 43b" with full PartitionMagic 2.0 on it. It's worth £80!
< 1331985605 4263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh. Not another person younger than me.
< 1331985611 189745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's too many of you now; I feel old.
< 1331985623 479171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here when I was 11, you whipper-snappers!
< 1331985626 456803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1331985639 283946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is it worth so much?
< 1331985655 558488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't worry, you can borrow my cane
< 1331985660 254137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1331985670 803812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, truespace. "The legendary 3D package complete and unrestricted. As sold for £550."
< 1331985678 78596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the July 1998 SuperCD.)
< 1331985708 401353 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I LEARNED PROGRAMMING in Q4 2011
< 1331985709 666491 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO THERE
< 1331985716 347425 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I still don't know programming.
< 1331985720 742865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The brand new SuperCede for Java Standard Edition is the fast way to create your own powerful JDK 1.1 applications for the Web. Worth £99 (provisional price)"
< 1331985731 11471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I've got like £thousands worth of stuff here.
< 1331985751 663943 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a £ worth these days?
< 1331985758 874756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$NaN
< 1331985774 754976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i recall some article talking about treasure chests in java games
< 1331985793 735443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've got both trueSpace 1.0 on this SuperCD and trueSpace 3/SE on another.
< 1331985822 379649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant quite recall if that was the same magazine i got some kind of c++ with.. also some article about expert systems comes to mind
< 1331985834 972385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I have your seedies?
< 1331985850 917757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the Borland. :/ It was probably not in a jewel case so it's in some big pile of those.
< 1331985852 374490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i was in hospital or something at the time so they got me magazines
< 1331985860 662301 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> The best way to learn Haskell is to read http://learnyouahaskell.com/
< 1331985896 324072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1331985912 490530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so system32 has 64-bit binaries and syswow64 has 32-bit ones
< 1331985924 672030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Home Page: This is the complete commercial HTML editor from Claris. It will enable you to create your own WWW site pages without ever needing to know a single HTML tag."
< 1331985958 879962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's also bundled an IE4 beta for Windows 3.1 on this.
< 1331985967 948279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this old mag claims the cd contained: webgenie shopping cart professional 2.09a valued at 750AUD
< 1331985985 520488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I WANT IT.
< 1331985990 422273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those things had a £345 "personnel management" software.
< 1331986013 441965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 30-day trial of "Klik and Create"! Great stuff.
< 1331986019 790387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What would you expect?
< 1331986041 716425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see.. i had pc plus may 98
< 1331986047 369192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd is guaranteed to be gone
< 1331986064 257069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have PC Plus July 98 here.
< 1331986066 480566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the mag is here in bad nick :D
< 1331986074 136922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 1998 was the year.
< 1331986080 715481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember 1998?
< 1331986096 806784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes c++ builder stuff
< 1331986100 714156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1331986112 245430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a computer. I think I watched some tennis.
< 1331986119 490324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember very little of my early life.
< 1331986123 850891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1331986146 800334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jan 98, Oct 97 SuperCDs are also here. But not May 98. Wonder where that's went.
< 1331986150 943170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ builder as sold for 80 pounds >.<
< 1331986167 968244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse them and their cheap compilers
< 1331986189 728577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh dance ejay
< 1331986197 731994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-ROM Today, December 1995: "[8] Endorfun (Win): Subliminal messages? See what all the fuss is about."
< 1331986201 226658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember this.
< 1331986208 612259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was even an article in one of the Finnish magazines.
< 1331986213 610512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably why this cd got taken.. cos it had dance ejay on it
< 1331986234 387878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorfun -- Wikipedia remembers it too, but not the "controversy", really.
< 1331986237 487942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imagine if you had gone with the tennis instead of the computers
< 1331986248 12012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were all "computer DRUGS oh no" about it.
< 1331986259 712025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't exactly fun to play, I think.
< 1331986319 881577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's "Klik & Play", the precursor of "Klik & Create", I think.
< 1331986412 344813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this world, elliott does computers, and the world gets destroyed by his evil AI.  in that other world, elliott does tennis, and the defenseless world is destroyed by invading aliens.
< 1331986424 790209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he beats them with a megaracket.
< 1331986459 892027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of that comic.
< 1331986473 143246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the one.
< 1331986474 454551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic?
< 1331986478 895244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is elliott's fault
< 1331986481 50207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the spot
< 1331986554 604954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet fizzie knows it.
< 1331986557 801782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, I ended up doing what you suggested, an in-browser gcolor that just doesn't bother about sharing the results. But it uses Flickr for images, so the results are also worse; Flickr isn't so good about ranking by relevance. Anyway, http://zem.fi/misc_fcolor.html -- hasn't been tested much.
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< 1331986586 902508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) == (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2
< 1331986587 758650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating [a])
< 1331986587 920128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `GHC.Floa...
< 1331986589 266921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have read very little superhero comics since the 80s
< 1331986595 1905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) ! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2
< 1331986595 815447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Arr.Array i e'
< 1331986596 1486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred t...
< 1331986600 561243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) !! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2
< 1331986601 357261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1331986601 561892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `a1 -> [a1]'
< 1331986601 816873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the genre involved
< 1331986605 949120 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) 1 !! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2
< 1331986606 918098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1331986613 263835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1331986622 433224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just understood infinite fractionny things
< 1331986646 695449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still demand a web interface to the real thing.
< 1331986667 963055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation is nice though.
< 1331986674 240665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I searched for "poop" so I can't watch it.
< 1331986685 888321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This one: http://www.kiwisbybeat.com/minus37.html
< 1331986691 225324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put a CGIfication of actual gcolor on the to-do list.
< 1331986726 77117 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE CANNOT DO A THING! PROBABLY!
< 1331986726 972087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CGI? You are so "old schoole".
< 1331986733 657876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make sure it has ALL THE FEATURES I demanded!
< 1331986785 940939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right, i remember it was linked from SROMG
< 1331986813 47769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was part of the "sounds like minus" meme)
< 1331986814 240979 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1331986814 402739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after about 1/4th of the images analyzed, the color of fizzie is apparently #916756 (brown)
< 1331986874 153648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you make it make a bleep noise when it's done so I know when it's safe to observe the poop?
< 1331986882 441276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> 1 + (1/x)) :: CReal
< 1331986886 202015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1331986887 830958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1331986916 989390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSUFFICIENTLY LAZY
< 1331986935 917336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need some range restriction for convergence
< 1331986955 102230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can CReal do that
< 1331987011 777125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> abs $ 1 + (1/x)) :: CReal
< 1331987015 592569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1331987028 583182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure _that_ could have worked in theory.
< 1331987041 641113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory.
< 1331987046 178294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that CReal sucks.
< 1331987048 153269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Few Digits.
< 1331987055 278523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1331987080 65876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what?"?
< 1331987151 722782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hjalp
< 1331987154 869101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Few Digits
< 1331987171 331478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://r6.ca/FewDigits/
< 1331987176 111840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the better CReal library :P
< 1331987227 208122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently the show throws an error."
< 1331987272 737015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has a function to show to # digits...
< 1331987377 422210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It'll leave the last poop image on the analysis display, though.
< 1331987437 724590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thankfully it was a smiley poop. (Why don't you have a link trail?)
< 1331987490 176706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZDF4cw
< 1331987497 851341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smiley poop.
< 1331987505 287164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#906b4d is a very poop colour.
< 1331987529 65317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'poop' is a good search, since most of the "returns all kinds of images" searches end up brown.
< 1331987663 61451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://math-classes.org/
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< 1331989322 952211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't need math classes :|
< 1331989382 10709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DYK the colour of zem is #805548?
< 1331989385 602771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But Coq!
< 1331989406 671490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but elliott i already know all the maths
< 1331989430 953062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what am collatz
< 1331989594 635527 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal diagrams get pretty ugly pretty fast
< 1331989694 443193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I K it now.
< 1331989695 9402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is the primary indicator i cannot understand a diagram
< 1331990034 962173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I K is I K nothing.
< 1331990226 7257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one area i especially struggle in computation models is having an intuitive sense of what is reasonable and unreasonable uses. 
< 1331990263 799311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the "rain man" is unreasonable at counting.
< 1331990338 446422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know that many things are unreasonable to do with a turing tarpit. but at the same time haskell isn't a turing tarpit
< 1331990365 409558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even lisp isn't from what i can infer
< 1331990392 354920 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: why?
< 1331990441 93514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thought of sitting down to actually study really really offends me
< 1331990509 515300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to use some form of casual self therapy to become a student
< 1331990683 563289 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few weeks ago i read the first 30 pages of war and peace (in english of course).. i'd once read the first 12 before
< 1331990742 916824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the end of it i was just feeling tense
< 1331990807 64271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it is anything to do with the book itself
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< 1331990936 173166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one option on the table is to watch video lectures :-D
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< 1331990979 111430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a link someone posted somewhere which led me to some but havent tried em yet
< 1331991683 176111 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MDude
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< 1331992888 576100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaPm_SFJnpY
< 1331992893 343657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please explain yourselves, Finland.
< 1331993102 560795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of an issue about Hevisaurus, something related to the record label company, I think they lost their case quasi-recently.
< 1331993122 863962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In early 2011, the founder of the band, Mirka Rantanen, got into a disagreement with the band's record label Sony Music. Because of this, Rantanen and three other band members belonging to the band's live assembly founded a new band called Sauruxet, which has continued making children's power metal music with the original concept and nearly identical artist names. The band Hevisaurus keeps ...
< 1331993128 904026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... its lead singer, its producers and the original stage costumes."
< 1331993134 839067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about the newer band not being able to use the old characters.
< 1331993152 927942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm not sure what's there to explain.
< 1331993163 621864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real metal story until someone gets killed.
< 1331993168 341577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Tinisaurus
< 1331993169 80208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them's the rules.
< 1331993193 64857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the thing to explain would be why your children's bands are metal-playing dinosaurs.
< 1331993209 54815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinosaurs are heavy, aren't they? 
< 1331993241 269735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The usual heavy metal fan may not be a five-year-old girl in pigtails, but she is typical of hardcore following of Hevisaurus, a metal band that has hooked the kiddie crowd in Finland.
< 1331993245 329474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group, which rocks on about homework and monsters, played its first gig, a charity event, only last September but its fan base of mainly five-to-seven-year-olds has grown rapidly."
< 1331993306 562549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all started a few years ago when Rantanen attended a children's concert with his own kids, now five and 11.
< 1331993306 724158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What if I started making music for kids?" he thought. "What if it was heavy metal, since that's what I've been doing for 25 years?"
< 1331993314 921309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see not much thought went into this thing.
< 1331993401 17645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“I’m a kind of 1980s relic. You could call me a dinosaur,” said Rantanen, now better known as an Apatosaurus called Komppi Momppi."
< 1331993441 691750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“It’s the best because it’s heavy,” said five-year-old Rico, who attended a packed concert in the southern city of Haemeenlinna wearing a Hevisaurus sweater and hat, and waving a Hevisaurus flag made by his dad."
< 1331993447 708356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think that makes sense.
< 1331993499 695753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit, the logic is impeccable.
< 1331993699 930717 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before reading the context, I thought the quote about Rantanen was a joke.
< 1331993717 207926 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, he says, "Oh, I'm really old, you could call me a dinosaur," and so suddenly everyone does.
< 1331993752 267766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be funnier.
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< 1331995485 304553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what should I name a CSS class meaning "all <pre> children of this won't have the ugly border"?
< 1331995545 253340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :class="allprechildrenofthiswonthavetheuglyborder"
< 1331995563 527472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX
< 1331995575 383139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the audio thing.
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< 1331995816 367283 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1331995839 837261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1331995854 487364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (\(a,b) -> map (\(x,y) -> (a*x,y)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995854 949423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. ((`ap` snd) . (. fst) . flip ((.) . map . (`ap` snd) . (. fst) . ((,) .) . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995858 729194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1331995889 418905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (\(a,b) -> map (first (a*)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995889 752716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. ((`ap` snd) . (. fst) . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995905 169005 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (uncurry $ \a b -> map (first (a*)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995905 426660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. (uncurry . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995920 431966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful.
< 1331995935 868058 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl flip $ \f -> concatMap (uncurry $ \a -> map (first (a*)) . f)
< 1331995936 256838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. (uncurry . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995960 400373 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (uncurry $ \a -> map (first (a*)) . f)
< 1331995960 682313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uncurry ((. f) . map . first . (*)) =<<)
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< 1331996058 934220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hoogle first
< 1331996062 963066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah keyboard
< 1331996067 535801 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle first
< 1331996067 854155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid First :: Maybe a -> First a
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< 1331996068 249031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow first :: Arrow a => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d)
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< 1331996355 908546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're a CSS line-wrapping wizard, right?
< 1331996374 488707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1331996408 876683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What!
< 1331996412 106257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which Finn is an expert in that?
< 1331996446 759994 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me
< 1331996543 609083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: All I want is visible indicators of wrapping. :(
< 1331996618 215156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.iany.me/2012/02/css-line-wrap-indicator/
< 1331996639 611732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OH WELL AREN'T YOU FANCY.
< 1331996650 635096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourgeois scum!
< 1331996656 893064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "First, the code block in pre must be split by lines and add markup so that CSS can be applied."
< 1331996666 648758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course it's trivial if you do that.
< 1331996676 911970 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, you can't do it.
< 1331996680 807979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki doesn't give me that choice.
< 1331996694 414525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh? A proof of a weaker statement doesn't mean the stronger statement is false.
< 1331996701 767538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means the blog author wasn't smart enough to come up with one.
< 1331996708 155305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a proof
< 1331996731 56639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my hunch and the first google result match, it's true.
< 1331996783 438325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How does that result match with a disproof?
< 1331996791 880218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"must" is in the context of describing one particular technique.
< 1331996794 814034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it must be done for that code to work.
< 1331996887 953058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors/#selection
< 1331997096 162373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "p :not(:first-line) :first-line" will work.
< 1331997205 2380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, nope, because it's a "pseudo-element"
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< 1331997258 794876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What did you google for, FWIW?
< 1331997313 276878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=css%20line%20wrapping%20indicator
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< 1332000866 950541 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here familiar with engraving music?
< 1332000939 259747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTENSELY.
< 1332000945 579088 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1332000977 612393 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a triplet where the first two notes are tied. Should I engrave this as a quarter note and an eigth note under the triplet, or two tied eighths and a third eighth under the same bar?
< 1332000996 6507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five hams and a quart of rum.
< 1332001006 802133 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You can answer!
< 1332001012 830236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't LilyPond have an answer?
< 1332001016 31247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear LilyPond is good.
< 1332001023 558491 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using lilypond
< 1332001041 791273 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just engraves what I tell it to
< 1332001042 779637 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Quarter and eighth under the triplet. Tying is gross unless absolutely necessary. You can always put a bar under the '3' if it's unclear.
< 1332001054 705527 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Thanks
< 1332001058 429532 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I agree)
< 1332001065 357240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think you should go with four hams and a quart of rum.
< 1332001073 156126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add a footnote to clarify your meaning.
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< 1332001113 844595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Just since I feel like asking: do you consider tying across a bar to be a necessity versus putting a note whose duration is longer than the rest of the measure?
< 1332001133 918138 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That case I consider necessary, yes.
< 1332001142 282985 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, good.
< 1332001152 223913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs everyone who thinks otherwise
< 1332001155 815697 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the list of horrible sins, notes implicitly going over barlines is worse than ties X-D
< 1332001156 362902 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a flute
< 1332001256 480454 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now has a good melody
< 1332001263 639844 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or four bars of one, anyway
< 1332001302 653989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a good MAMMARY.
< 1332001307 197232 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring an infinite sequence of notes, each with duration 2/3rds of a beat less than the previous
< 1332001317 138323 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, elliott discovered hormones
< 1332001459 563735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's not my fault "melody" has like NO words that sound vaguely like it.
< 1332001467 146425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, more like I just discovered MORMONS.
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< 1332004208 702281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know how you asked if #haskell got better in your absence?
< 1332004239 991110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It didn't, it got worse.
< 1332004261 502251 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asks how to get a UTCTime out of an IO UTCTime, someone suggests unsafePerformIO
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< 1332004423 53494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332004438 674321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the start of a new esolang formulating
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< 1332004478 219125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332004487 365947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean I've got all the commands in some sort of format that only makes sense to me
< 1332004524 378405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then document it in a way others can unterstand?
< 1332004528 310732 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to decide whether the memory word should be 4-bit or 8-bit
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< 1332004531 458739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1332004583 571718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean SOON
< 1332004595 524564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Turing-complete
< 1332004653 803696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I don't need all these commands
< 1332004714 168824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye
< 1332004716 180598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1332004721 487089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1332004773 435619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Taneb is always like that.
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< 1332004788 868136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have an adequate supply of crack to help you keep pace.
< 1332004855 540642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks ;) @crack
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< 1332004965 891980 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a Common Lisp kick, how do I get my mind in Haskell mode.
< 1332004975 413817 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although what I really want is utterly demented Haskell mode.
< 1332005012 417634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less braces.
< 1332005016 783382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more pure.
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< 1332005040 742848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brackets
< 1332005043 659055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Common Lisp sucks. Haskell doesn't suck as much.
< 1332005047 738073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope this helps.
< 1332005048 186323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you call (
< 1332005055 598140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Parentheses.
< 1332005060 45222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn :(
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< 1332005227 992288 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell is a strict, imperative, strongly-typed language."
< 1332005235 157245 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, strict?
< 1332005236 555935 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh
< 1332005247 775822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, imperative?
< 1332005248 608771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh
< 1332005256 875059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes strict with "eager"
< 1332005266 155056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1332005267 15405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is not eager.
< 1332005271 984863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is no way eager.
< 1332005280 113882 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bet I can fake it
< 1332005284 705441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is the laziest guy I know. Seriously, such a drain-on-societys-resources.
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< 1332005384 739610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm wondering if I should replace "strongly-typed" with ... well, dynamically typed is still not necessarily weakly typed.
< 1332005387 86308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of ways Common Lisp sucks: (1) Terrible standardisation (basic facilities such as threading and networking are unportable and have to be abstracted behind numerous APIs); (2) Packaging situation might even be worse than Haskell's; (3) Baroque warts of complexity lying around (yes, Haskell has them, but far fewer); (4) Namespace upon namespace without any orthographic distinction (like Haskell's initial capitals) making a huge mess out of thi
< 1332005387 248309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngs (e.g. if you name a variable "list"); (5) Sub-par static checking
< 1332005409 37848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7) Fairly stagnant community, esp. as far as new general-purpose libraries goes, esp. "outside-world" interfacings tuff
< 1332005430 560520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8) All the usual language flaws of impurity, wimpy type system, etc.
< 1332005437 482774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9) More I've surely forgotten.
< 1332005497 30657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, (10) Unsafe/difficult-to-use/error-prone/ugly macro system
< 1332005510 157997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :defmacro!!
< 1332005530 162091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Haskell has Template Haskell.
< 1332005534 207117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11) LOOP and FORMAT, 'nuff said.
< 1332005543 354490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kinda not-understandable at all.
< 1332005551 934946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell isn't all that difficult.
< 1332005568 635560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's poorly explained
< 1332005580 654253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1332005584 114495 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I'm just doing Haskell stuff until a certain date
< 1332005592 302065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens after that date?
< 1332005597 872153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still preferring Common Lisp, but this project only makes sense in Haskell.
< 1332005603 664965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You forgot a mapostrophe.
< 1332005610 750730 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the deadline for this project to make any sense passes.
< 1332005614 648338 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for a year.
< 1332005618 129523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You forgot the part where Common Lisp is inferior to Haskell in basically every conceivable way.
< 1332005620 416834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I might not understand the type magic behind it ;)
< 1332005631 197457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I know nothing about type theory.
< 1332005654 210330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Template Haskell has exactly 0 type magic.
< 1332005662 770257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It practically has negative amounts of type theory.
< 1332005665 707709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even type its splices.
< 1332005693 204953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud, if I suggest NoImplicitPrelude, I'm going to need to export a lot of stuff from the Prelude
< 1332005698 751683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ($) and (+)
< 1332005711 426526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dare I ask what this project is?
< 1332005742 869597 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An April Fools Haskell tutorial
< 1332005757 198125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I knew I would regret asking.
< 1332005766 3518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I asked anyway.
< 1332005953 862385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Variables, variables, variables. How to do variables.
< 1332005981 230902 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does every non-referentially-transparent function need NOINLINE?
< 1332005997 771701 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing so. Can I have an entire file be assumed to have NOINLINE everywhere?
< 1332006022 773249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it would need NOINLINE. Or conversely, what the hell you think NOINLINE will prevent.
< 1332006062 719231 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IO being executed too early?
< 1332006071 451692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1332006117 165041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a unsafeCurrentTime :: UTCTIme, does that need to be noinlined if I want every place that it's used to see the current time and not the time that it was when ... bluh
< 1332006174 982541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can't do that, fulls top.
< 1332006176 581104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*full stop.
< 1332006184 261173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CAF.
< 1332006191 974854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be evaluated once and replaced by its value.
< 1332006194 814954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just how it works.
< 1332006275 102442 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for an option to disable that
< 1332006282 318856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't.
< 1332006285 682307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how GHC works, fundamentally.
< 1332006290 698579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how the entire evaluation model works.
< 1332006291 539866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't IO prevent that?
< 1332006313 58062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, my entire goal is to be stupid in Haskell.
< 1332006329 127740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the question would be
< 1332006344 833294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :: UTCTime behaves differently than :: IO UTCTime
< 1332006404 916405 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use the IO monad, that's cheating.
< 1332006434 238302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Because IO a is State# RealWorld -> (# a, State# RealWorld #).
< 1332006470 755767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1332006476 998950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense then.
< 1332006517 584247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but..
< 1332006518 373498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1332006533 80823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar :: Int -> IO Int
< 1332006549 622469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually foobar MUST yield the same result everytime, when called with the same argument.
< 1332006559 49875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "MUST".
< 1332006561 278125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is GHC.
< 1332006572 609169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (->) in that IO definition is the arrow of impure functions.
< 1332006576 575308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And State# isn't really anything at all.
< 1332006582 248483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a big con to fool the compiler internals.
< 1332006611 560109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu @ (->) ?
< 1332006618 713782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1332006657 131899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means what it means: the (->) being used in that definition of IO allows impure side-effects.
< 1332006746 214487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IO is just a Type?
< 1332006791 179540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1332006798 349306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a function
< 1332006798 966768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332006808 333094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar :: a -> m b
< 1332006817 384283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I call it twice with the same argument
< 1332006817 546686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all about black magic implementation details. As far as Haskell is concerned, IO has no definition.
< 1332006825 413774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC breaks the rules to define IO.
< 1332006834 149628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should only be evaluated once.
< 1332006837 443063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat?
< 1332006838 167151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332006843 799075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Haskell compiler does automatic memoisation.
< 1332006846 832065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a one-way ticket to space leaks.
< 1332006859 703442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And slowness, for that matter.)
< 1332006862 680670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332006882 672645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- foobar 1; b <- foobar 1; return (a,b); }
< 1332006890 735699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> do { a <- foobar 1; return (a,a); }
< 1332006900 167941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332006902 912571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's complete and utter nonsense.
< 1332006905 495061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar = print
< 1332006915 224777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- print 1; b <- print 1; return (a, b) }
< 1332006920 999679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> do { a <- print 1; return (a, a) }
< 1332006922 161667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not.
< 1332006937 919802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but why?
< 1332006951 423450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because
< 1332006957 937143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1 >> print 1 >> return (a,b)
< 1332006958 983605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :===
< 1332006964 14820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1332006967 353040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1 >> print 1
< 1332006967 991740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :===
< 1332006969 965389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = print 1 in x >> x
< 1332006970 770651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referential transparency should allow that to happen?
< 1332006973 121157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not ===
< 1332006976 777409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = print 1 in x
< 1332006980 642257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than 1+1 must equal 1
< 1332006986 320866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x >> x does not necessarily equal x
< 1332006999 518972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332007101 561813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should it bother to evaluate x twice?
< 1332007112 903970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already know the result of x based on the result of the first.
< 1332007143 46142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are mistaking monadic execution with evaluation.
< 1332007146 589242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the list monad.
< 1332007150 542555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] >> [1,2,3]
< 1332007151 430640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3]
< 1332007169 463710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it evaluate [1,2,3] twice? Well, whether it does or it doesn't, it's irrelevant.
< 1332007178 331956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>) is just a function like any other, and it gets passed through the same.
< 1332007227 131836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, print 1 can be evaluated as many times as you like. When evaulated, it doesn't print anything. It just becomes a value saying "When I'm executed, print 1"
< 1332007353 503608 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1332007355 946959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :best explanation
< 1332007397 103156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not best, it's slightly inaccurate.
< 1332007398 827040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adequate.
< 1332007430 722200 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm?
< 1332007452 237630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't "become" a value.
< 1332007480 538510 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :results in
< 1332007487 733214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say it evaluates to an action saying "On execution, print 1", but that seems unnecessarily operational to me.
< 1332007495 844231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is an action saying 'On execution, print 1'" conveys the exact same.
< 1332007548 404350 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except that that fails to mention the role that evaluation plays, in terms of not being execution
< 1332007582 327811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the role that evaluation plays is precisely nothing.
< 1332007593 605885 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, and that needs to be clarified.
< 1332007608 759601 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1332008001 562931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneeeeeeeeeeb.
< 1332008760 8287 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009366 115256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009376 167040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to update my esolangs page.
< 1332009382 732888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332009403 772059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1332009408 548410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappoitned in you >:(
< 1332009421 175445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have I done now?
< 1332009438 769304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the second person in a few days to add their own language to a concept's list of languages :P
< 1332009466 22854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did acknowledge my narcissism
< 1332009733 536194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332009736 721775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is appropriate to the article
< 1332009831 408269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009875 352668 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88FBC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332009885 429947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the topic, and for a minute I thought it was September,
< 1332009932 775603 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can play Worms again
< 1332009940 474154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't.
< 1332009941 527646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought elliott couldn't?
< 1332009943 307856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indee.d
< 1332009980 941151 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my (legal) ISO, if that's any help
< 1332010051 815771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's an ISO problem, unfortunately. But I might try tomorrow, if you can think of a reasonable method of transfer.
< 1332010237 293273 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a hard time thinking of a reasonable method of transfer, unfortunately
< 1332010247 448627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carrier pigeon.
< 1332010311 581005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's mediedmiedimdimedieidififafiafiafyre.
< 1332010645 359618 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a mousepad :/
< 1332010774 320645 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! You have selected a file that is too large.
< 1332010781 225683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can use dropbox or something?
< 1332010834 929730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropbox would probably work. but no point until tomorrow
< 1332010941 318580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332010944 412806 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I paste to something other than Public, could Is till share that file?
< 1332011292 360197 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file appears to not be showing up on the website
< 1332011409 958237 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I didn't have dropbox running. Brillian
< 1332011466 504073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332013271 960025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the worms where a bunch of worm sprites wander about a bitmapped terrain with tnt that works like an image editor erasor?
< 1332013276 615318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332013283 256373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332013291 370922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that series, yes
< 1332013295 459264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo
< 1332013317 228236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you have older worms in mind, Worms: Armageddon looks better
< 1332013321 817846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1332013329 174805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if elliott gets it working
< 1332013334 34812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can play with iti
< 1332013336 590961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be
< 1332013339 394201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smoothest thing
< 1332013344 520982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332013349 307492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curvature
< 1332013351 135542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have worms united cd.. but it broke
< 1332013359 404141 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 minutes left
< 1332013361 970780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be closer to zero than zero itself
< 1332013381 171892 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have an iso?
< 1332013388 753328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on Vax, no.
< 1332013389 405341 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if not I'm uploading one to dropbox.
< 1332013410 500267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not asking to play.. im just saying worms is one of the great games :d
< 1332013420 892212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes, yes it is.
< 1332013463 596714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no you must play
< 1332013466 532411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are so stupid
< 1332013468 513526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be
< 1332013470 705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so smooth
< 1332013507 722836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts to imagine esolangers in worms
< 1332013577 140014 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1332013931 338339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> fizzie: Hey, what should I name a CSS class meaning "all <pre> children of this won't have the ugly border"? <-- yay!
< 1332013957 590346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure "yay" is such a descriptive name.
< 1332013972 390540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS FOR ME
< 1332013985 848039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because i suggested such a feature.
< 1332014017 483426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, something reasonably equivalently useable.)
< 1332014036 446201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i guess i was asking if it already existed.
< 1332014070 12564 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest nougly
< 1332014727 172481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332014964 191034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> I saw the topic, and for a minute I thought it was September, <-- september 1993, to be precise.
< 1332014990 552951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i wasn't thinking of that when setting the topic.
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< 1332016991 962369 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
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< 1332017293 39845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78
< 1332017296 743778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang: The Movie
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< 1332017404 769895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yH_j8-VVLo
< 1332017411 690606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only true Erlang movie.
< 1332017477 859654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i heard about that
< 1332017485 327711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1332017486 484951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1332017489 751323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332017503 855615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the UNCOMFORTABLY PARALLEL one
< 1332017505 289607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it gets referenced when i am being dumb or annoying
< 1332017546 839685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people start greeting each other
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< 1332021129 78961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, reading the diff algo you linked me to here, and I think I see where this is going
< 1332021152 875166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous algorithm's equivalent to Dijkstra's in state space, and it's doing A* or an equivalent instead
< 1332021213 93194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the example code is in Pascal
< 1332021225 389508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with operators replaced with mathematical notation, the same way papers sometimes do for Haskell
< 1332021310 732364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for.
< 1332021330 465186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -Syu is failing because of an invalid signature.
< 1332021377 401113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please tell me that program has a filename clash with the game Pacman ;)
< 1332021428 855516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I doubt it.
< 1332021493 489205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should have asked elliott about that pre thing before :P
< 1332021501 122569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*<pre>
< 1332021531 603267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now most of the formatting weirdness for the Qdeql tables is gone
< 1332021784 19828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only remains for someone to actually understand them :P
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< 1332023396 116402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found on Wikipedia, they do have a 0 longitude on Mars.
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< 1332024143 175072 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WEB replaces some Pascal operators with mathematical notations, but it also includes support for named chunks, pool strings, and octal and hexadecimal constants.
< 1332024176 545104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeX is written in WEB)
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< 1332028566 128237 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the packaged BZFlag is obsolete
< 1332028567 964967 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh
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