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00:10:05 <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe.
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00:25:04 <oerjan> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
00:25:07 <HackEgo> 827) IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
00:26:10 <oerjan> hm...
00:26:15 <oerjan> `delquote 827
00:26:18 <HackEgo> ​*poof* IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
00:26:44 <itidus21> :-D
00:26:59 <oerjan> `addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
00:27:02 <HackEgo> 827) <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
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00:32:29 <pikhq_> Apparently I'm 4 years and a day younger than GCC.
00:32:46 <pikhq_> Erm, math hard be
00:32:58 <pikhq_> 3 years and a day.
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00:38:18 <tswett> Sgeo: I don't care to be notified of muffins esoterically, by the way.
00:38:21 <tswett> `quote conquist
00:38:24 <HackEgo> 26) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce!
00:38:37 <Sgeo> tswett, so, only other muffins, or no muffins?
00:38:53 <tswett> No muffins, I think.
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00:39:07 <tswett> I have a notifier in my status bar already. I like it to be where it is.
00:39:10 <Sgeo> Oh
00:39:23 <tswett> I like the nonsenseness of quote 26 there.
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00:50:19 <RocketJSquirrel> pikhq_: Apparently I'm older than GCC.
00:50:21 <RocketJSquirrel> *waves cane*
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00:56:54 <quintopia> when was gcc
00:58:03 <RocketJSquirrel> March 1987
00:58:19 <quintopia> uh
00:58:31 * quintopia fetches a diaper and the the roid creme
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00:59:16 <RocketJSquirrel> Basically, if you're older than GCC you're a crotchety old man, and if you're younger, you're an infant.
00:59:20 <RocketJSquirrel> There's nothing in between.
00:59:53 <quintopia> true that
00:59:59 <quintopia> but
01:00:14 <quintopia> thank goodness some young women prefer older women
01:00:28 <RocketJSquirrel> Some young men prefer older men too.
01:00:35 <quintopia> i was gonna say that!
01:01:36 <quintopia> anyway, i've got me a part time infant for sexual healing. she overlooks the wrinkles and baldness and liver spots and varicose veins and oh god i'm gonna make myself cry imagining myself at 80
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01:03:23 <quintopia> my only comfort at the moment is having more hair than gregor
01:04:08 <RocketJSquirrel> Impossible!
01:05:20 <quintopia> dont lie to me. i know you came by your hat addiction the hard way
01:05:47 <RocketJSquirrel> http://codu.org/hats/Hair-med.jpg OHHHH HAIR
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01:08:14 <quintopia> greogr your forehead goes on for miles. you could fry an egg on a bad sunburn. andthe strange thing is...it wouldnt work on anyone else.
01:09:21 <RocketJSquirrel> Yeah, I have an enormous amount of forehead.
01:09:50 <RocketJSquirrel> It makes kofias/kufis a dangerous hat style for me: jpg
01:09:52 <RocketJSquirrel> Err, wow
01:09:54 <RocketJSquirrel> Good copypasta
01:09:58 <RocketJSquirrel> http://codu.org/hats/Kofia-med.jpg
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01:11:09 <quintopia> but
01:11:42 <quintopia> have you ever considered becoming a trekkie? you'd be a natural as a klingon.
01:11:52 <RocketJSquirrel> Hahaha
01:12:07 <RocketJSquirrel> I haev some treklinations.
01:12:39 <RocketJSquirrel> *have
01:13:01 * quintopia reads "i have press-on forehead wrinkles in the my dresser drawer" between the lines here
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01:14:16 <RocketJSquirrel> 'fraid not. Actually, come to think of it, the only apparel I own which is themed by a television show (and not e.g. a webcomic) is licensed My Little Pony X-D
01:14:52 <quintopia> klingon/brony? BRILLIANT
01:15:32 <RocketJSquirrel> KAPLA, TWILIGHT SPARKLE, KAPLA
01:15:52 <RocketJSquirrel> *universe implodes*
01:16:26 <RocketJSquirrel> Of course, since it's Klingon, that's probably supposed to be spelled Q'uapleaoux or something.
01:16:47 <quintopia> i knew what you meant
01:17:12 <quintopia> internet says "qapla"
01:17:30 <quintopia> possibly with a ' at the end
01:17:49 <RocketJSquirrel> MLP has (flying) tribbles.
01:17:55 <RocketJSquirrel> It's only a matter of time before it has klingons.
01:19:42 <quintopia> canon powershot, eh. great camera series.
01:19:49 * quintopia is downloading canon softwares
01:19:54 <RocketJSquirrel> *shakes fist at metadata*
01:20:27 <RocketJSquirrel> quintopia: CHDK is pretty great, btw.
01:21:14 <quintopia> youve hacked it?
01:22:08 <RocketJSquirrel> I've just installed CHDK and made some scripts. Installing CHDK barely counts as hacking anything since it doesn't even overwrite the PROM.
01:24:53 <quintopia> but writing scripts yourself counts
01:24:56 <quintopia> what do they do
01:26:21 <RocketJSquirrel> I have one that just lets you save virtually every aspect of the camera's optic settings so that you can take pictures (in the same scene) without fear of it randomly deciding to do different exposure settings or what have you.
01:26:34 <RocketJSquirrel> But still lets you autodetect them the first time since it's not terribly bad at that.
01:27:13 <RocketJSquirrel> I had one that's basically just a continuous-shot mode a bit better than its inbuilt one ...
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01:41:17 <oerjan> is an advanced research fellow a student, or something after that?
01:41:46 <quintopia> sounds like a postdoc?
01:42:16 <oerjan> i am picking [[Edwin Brady]] as a random edit, and it's 6 years since the last one
01:42:44 <quintopia> who?
01:42:52 <oerjan> ...on our wiki.
01:43:01 <oerjan> inventor of whitespace
01:43:07 <quintopia> thank you
01:46:05 <oerjan> are there no british people awake? ):
01:47:35 <quintopia> all the brits are probably at the theater
01:47:37 <quintopia> *theatre
01:47:51 <quintopia> watching the hunger games
01:48:06 <monqy> hungre
01:48:25 <quintopia> no they dont misspell that one for some reason
01:49:14 <oerjan> oh well i'll just say "an advanced research fellow" without implying anything about what it is :P
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01:50:28 <Sgeo> monqy, another muffin
01:50:47 <monqy> oh
01:50:49 <monqy> i don't want it
01:50:51 <monqy> too many muffins
01:51:28 <quintopia> muffin is secret code for update?
01:51:33 <Sgeo> Yes.
01:51:42 <monqy> :(
01:51:42 <Sgeo> Don't tell anyone
01:51:44 <monqy> :(
01:52:30 <quintopia> TI your drivers is killing my box :(
01:53:07 <quintopia> this compy barely has two silicon crystals to bang together. its a wonder it even manages to boot windows
01:53:12 <quintopia> i'd love to boot it
01:53:16 <quintopia> out the window
01:53:18 <quintopia> piece of shit
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01:53:42 * oerjan thought muffins were a special kind of update, since he vaguely recalls this homestuck thing has a lot of them
01:55:00 <Sgeo> oerjan, a recent update had a funny use of MUFFIN, so muffin became the new update.
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02:01:16 <oerjan> okay
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02:29:02 <quintopia> IDIOCY
02:30:10 <monqy> yes
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04:30:00 <zzo38> In Dungeons&Dragons game, I used spell Extend Tentacles for a defensive use, although probably the intended purpose of such a spell is for attacking, I tried a defensive use to open a door which I believed was trapped (although it turned out not to be trapped, but I thought it was trapped).
04:32:03 <Sgeo> I wonder what it would be like for zzo38 to play Paranoia.
04:36:11 <zzo38> At first the door was locked. I thought that it was trapped as well, and I had a black dagger which I believed would unlock the door and disable the trap; actually it did not even manage to unlock it. After the other wizard unlocked it, I thought that since it wasn't unlocked in the proper way that it must have a trap.
04:36:59 <Sgeo> On some server's MOTD:
04:37:01 <Sgeo> - 04 Dec 2006 - The server will be down this weekend (Saturday and possibly
04:37:01 <Sgeo> * - Sunday) as our hosting company is moving to a new datacenter.
04:37:29 <Sgeo> Right below 24 Feb 2011 - Server migrations!
04:56:51 <oerjan> sounds like the took a "long weekend"
04:56:53 <oerjan> *y
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04:59:28 <zzo38> Anarchy golf now includes Euphoria, K, Piet, CLC-INTERCAL, Icon, SNOBOL, REXX, PARI/GP, gnuplot, and Malbolge.
04:59:52 <monqy> malbolge, eh?
05:01:03 <oerjan> lots of contributions for that, i assume
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06:59:06 <zzo38> Are you ever going to make cards which are ten or more inches long at a resolution of 3000 dots per inch or more than that?
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07:13:20 <zzo38> conversion/"gain",#1[numeric],"life": gen_gain_life(#1)[action]; rule/gen_gain_life(#1): switch( and(greater(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),do_gain_life(#1), and(equal(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),relax(), true(),action_fail() ); rule/do_gain_life(#1): set(property.life,add(get(property.life),#1));
07:14:03 <zzo38> This is just some of my ideas to have a kind of programming language related to Magic: the Gathering cards and similar games
07:15:35 <zzo38> What is your ideas related to this things?
07:19:12 <zzo38> And then we would need such things as allow rules to be overridden by other rules, allow triggers to be attached, allow values of properties to be affected by static abilities and other effects of other rules, etc
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08:54:30 <zzo38> The weapon of defense of chess includes: Keeping attack lines closed or under control. Repairing weakness. Trading pieces for endgame safety. Elimination of the strong attacking piece. Relieving pressure. Confusing the opponent's pieces. Maneuver and redeployment. Breaking the attacking front. Seizing a foothold in the center.
08:54:49 <zzo38> Replace "pieces" with "cards" and now you can play Pokemon card too.
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09:55:14 <elliott> "You've earned the "monads" badge. See your profile."
09:55:16 <elliott> NOOOOOOOOOO
09:57:12 <zzo38> Sacrifice is also useful to Pokemon card. Even if your opponent picks up five side cards you can still win (either by taking six side cards, knocking out all of your opponent's pokemons, or your opponent run out of cards).
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10:02:55 <fizziew> elliott: Are you now a monad?
10:03:20 <shachaf> You are what you answer Stack Overflow questions about.
10:04:00 <shachaf> ehird "monads" elliott
10:04:08 <elliott> fizziew: How can you have seen my line? You were, like, totally offline.
10:04:19 <fizziew> I codued it.
10:04:22 <fizziew> (That's a verb.)
10:04:35 <shachaf> The dual of duing?
10:04:44 <elliott> Dmitry: Your question specifically mentions "IEEE 754". That's the standard. – Gabe 13 hours ago
10:04:44 <elliott> @Gabe, one little question. How do you know that my name is DMITRY? My nick contains only cyrillic letters. So that's your DMITRY reference sounds really confusing. – ДМИТРИЙ МАЛИКОВ 13 hours ago
10:04:44 <elliott> I can't type Cyrillic, I'd have to copy-and-paste your name. Since your name is a link, it's difficult to select, so the easiest thing was to just type your name in English. – Gabe 12 hours ago
10:04:44 <elliott> But how can you translite my name from cyrillic to latin? Is it displayed in latin? – ДМИТРИЙ МАЛИКОВ 11 hours ago
10:04:44 <lambdabot> Plugin `babel' failed with: Error: Language one not supported
10:04:47 <shachaf> Is it also the codual of codoing?
10:04:52 <elliott> Little known fact: it is impossible to read Cyrillic.
10:05:53 <shachaf> elliott: More precisely, one can read Cyrillic iff one can type Cyrillic.
10:05:56 <fizziew> elliott is: Analytical, Citizen Patrol, Cleanup, Commentator, Critic, Deputy, Editor, Enlightened x 46, Enthusiast, Epic, Fanatic, Good Answer x 3, haskell, haskell, haskell, monads, Mortarboard, Nice Answer x 67, Nice Question, Organizer, Proofreader, Pundit, Scholar, Student, Supporter, Tag Editor, Teacher.
10:06:43 <elliott> I'm haskell, haskell, haskell, monads.
10:06:44 <shachaf> elliott: Does PUNDIT mean you make a lot of PUNS? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
10:06:55 <fizziew> A silver pundit, no less.
10:07:12 <fizziew> And a gold fanatic. Well, that all seems accurate.
10:07:19 <elliott> fizziew: Anyway, it's ×, not x, SILLY.
10:07:39 <fizziew> I TRANSLITED it.
10:07:44 <elliott> I like how "Nice Answer" is a lower award than "Good Answer".
10:07:52 <elliott> "Nice answer!!! Not good, though."
10:07:55 <shachaf> elliott the fan attic.
10:08:13 <shachaf> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4389821716_ec9a5d2d4b.jpg
10:08:17 <shachaf> REMEMBER THAT PICTURE?
10:08:46 <elliott> No. I have never seen that picture before.
10:09:39 <shachaf> Can you ever see the same picture twice?
10:09:47 * shachaf is deep and philosophical.
10:09:53 <fizziew> I tried to find out the standard size of those banana boxes they have in shops, but W|A interprets "banana box" as [cuboid | color banana] and draws me a banana-coloured cuboid.
10:10:09 <shachaf> Or is that "deep-end philosophical"?
10:10:47 <elliott> "Tusho stop removing the esco link it is not spam and it has been there for a while. Unless you got consensus from admins or the rest of the community do not make such an edit without sufficient support. This is not your it is Graue's site so please do not remove the link if you do so again I'll report you."
10:11:02 <elliott> Remember esco, guys????
10:11:11 <shachaf> Nope.
10:11:22 <fizziew> I remember it, but not what it was.
10:11:36 <elliott> Little did he know, my secret plan was to falsify his statement "This is not your it is Graue's site".
10:11:39 <elliott> All to DESTROY ESCO.
10:11:44 <fizziew> Unless it was some sort of a conglomerated thing.
10:11:59 <elliott> fizziew: A bunch of *exceedingly poor* esoteric language interpreters all put into one binary for no adequate reason.
10:12:08 <fizziew> Right, that was my HUNCH.
10:12:31 <elliott> Melab decided to add an external link to it to the articles of every esolang it implements.
10:12:42 <elliott> fizziew: The bestest part was that the BF ciphers were reimplemented separately.
10:12:55 <elliott> Not even copy-pasted, they were all structured slightly differently.
10:13:34 <shachaf> Well. That part is pretty bestest.
10:13:40 * shachaf is tempted to look at the code.
10:14:01 <shachaf> But it's a SourceForge .tar.gz download.
10:14:27 <shachaf> I'll read http://esco.sourceforge.net/?page=faq instead.
10:14:37 <fizziew> ESCO is a leading global provider of highly engineered consumable products and solutions for challenging industrial applications in the resources.
10:15:31 <shachaf> Es ESCO, Co.
10:15:40 <elliott> "Byter is a language for training your brain." -- the language descriptions are the bestest
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10:16:47 <fizziew> Did you know that the Befunge-93 instruction pointer cannot move only in one dimension? If you try to make a oneliner, it'll implode.
10:17:23 <elliott> I did not!
10:17:25 <elliott> But then esco TAUGHT ME.
10:17:46 <shachaf> EsCo -- Esoteric Combine
10:17:52 <shachaf> Now I know what it stands for.
10:18:45 <elliott> shachaf: It's from science and outter space and hate humens.
10:19:10 <shachaf> elliott: Would you stop being evil?
10:19:20 * shachaf reports elliott.
10:19:59 <elliott> shachaf: When making silly references is outlawed, only outlaws will make silly references :'(
10:20:09 <fizziew> elliott: Did you know Unary (the language) is also impossible? I learned this from the Spoon website.
10:20:57 <shachaf> Wait, was that a silly reference?
10:21:04 <elliott> shachaf: Yes,.
10:21:11 <shachaf> Yes comma dot
10:21:39 <shachaf> fizziew: I TOTALLY INVENTED UNARY MYSELF, MAN
10:22:16 <fizziew> I keep reading the first name as "Lord".
10:22:19 <elliott> fizziew: Which Spoon website?
10:22:27 <elliott> Oh, that Spoon website.
10:22:37 <fizziew> That one, right.
10:22:58 <elliott> fizziew: Well, Unary is technically a two-token language!
10:23:32 <shachaf> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Spoon
10:23:57 <shachaf> Why is that a Huffman code?
10:24:28 <shachaf> Looks like a regular prefix code to me.
10:24:46 <fizziew> Because the author says it's the output from a Huffman algorithm.
10:24:54 <fizziew> You gotta have faith.
10:25:33 <fizziew> "I used the operations present in Brain (there are only 8, []<>+-.,) and collated a number of examples. I ran this through my Huffman program to determine the best token, based on probability."
10:26:12 <elliott> Note: Huffman actually returned '001011', but to save confusion
10:26:12 <elliott> for those quickly scanning the file for token conversions
10:26:12 <elliott> I elected to mis-quote it (see later tokens DEBUG & EXIT
10:26:12 <elliott> for the reasons).
10:26:18 <fizziew> Oh.
10:28:05 <fizziew> Well, it's an almost-Huffman code, then.
10:28:19 <shachaf> DEBUG is such a useful instruction.
10:28:24 <shachaf> Print out the tape.
10:28:33 <shachaf> I mean stack.
10:28:47 <shachaf> I wonder why that's not more popular.
10:30:07 <shachaf> http://www.bluedust.dontexist.com/spoon/
10:30:16 <shachaf> I have one program which is an answer to all four challenges.
10:30:33 <fizziew> Is it the empty program. :'''(
10:31:01 <shachaf> It is the empty program, fizziew.
10:31:06 <shachaf> I'm sorry.. :-(
10:31:13 <fizziew> You must send em an empty email.
10:31:26 <shachaf> I guess you could argue that the empty program isn't readable.
10:31:30 <shachaf> Since there's nothing to read.
10:31:46 <shachaf> But every nonempty subprogram of the empty program is readable.
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10:34:24 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: What was glogbackup doing here?
10:34:54 <fizziew> Maybe just, you know, hanging around. You don't have to be so aggressive!
10:35:56 <shachaf> "glogbackup = stupid" -- ehird "i hate glogbackup" elliott
10:36:03 <fizziew> All "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING HERE‽"
10:36:16 <fizziew> "WE DON'T WANT YOUR KIND AROUND HERE."
10:36:37 <elliott> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126640/while-programming-objective-c
10:37:44 <shachaf> No need to be so harsh on user1285628, elliott.
10:38:03 <shachaf> My problem, too, lies with Writing the Codings.
10:38:10 <ion> elliott: :-D
10:38:12 <fizziew> You just need the Key Points.
10:38:30 <shachaf> fizziew: But What are the Key Points to be remember while Writing the Code.
10:38:41 <fizziew> I think they are the Blue Key, the Red Key and the Green Key.
10:38:58 <shachaf> I think I played that game.
10:39:21 <shachaf> That annoying thief. :-(
10:40:15 <ion> iddqd
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10:46:54 <elliott> spispopd
10:47:01 <elliott> That just sounds like an SSE instruction, really.
10:48:56 <ion> hehe
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11:01:00 <elliott> You know when you turn into a city and all the other cities exile you and you turn red?
11:01:03 <elliott> Guess what just happened to me. :(
11:04:39 <elliott> "Honestly, if you ask me, the only reason Haskellers get away with this kind of stuff (particularly when naming arguments to functions, let bindings, etc) is because the compiler saves their bacon and ensures they don't accidentally use the wrong character in the wrong place, as the compiler almost always catches such errors. If it were any other language, the practice would've been stamped out long ago as it would be untenable."
11:04:51 <elliott> shachaf: Did you know that mathematicians never use one-letter variables?
11:04:55 <elliott> That's because they don't have a compiler.
11:09:50 <fizziew> I thought they all used Math 4.52 to compile their proofs.
11:09:59 <fizziew> Or is that "prooves"?
11:10:16 <fizziew> I mean, it *is* hoof and hooves, right?
11:10:56 <elliott> fizziew: Doesn't everyone use http://www.inutile.ens.fr/estatis/falso/ these days?
11:11:33 <fizziew> Based on those quotes and especially the beards of the quotees, apparently.
11:13:11 <fizziew> Hey, I remember Burnside's lemma. Vaguely.
11:13:54 <elliott> Proportion of true statements
11:13:54 <elliott> (more is better)Less than 50%Over 99.9%
11:13:54 <elliott> Hmm, I wonder what "portion" of ZFC statements are actually true.
11:13:57 <elliott> (Not that that makes much sense.)
11:15:19 <elliott> http://www.inutile.ens.fr/estatis/password-security-checker/ -- heh.
11:15:49 <fizziew> And also the Pólya enumeration theorem version. Interestingly, in Finnish it was called "Pólyan lause", which has quite a lot of superficial similarity with "pöljän lause", lit. something like "fool's theorem".
11:18:29 <fizziew> OH NO my password is "0 % - Insecure". :(
11:19:11 <fizziew> Even though I just generated it with "pwgen". I should submit a bug report or something.
11:19:18 <ion> For this reason, password "foo" is now compromised.
11:19:41 <fizziew> ion: You just ruined it for everyone who used "foo".
11:19:54 <fizziew> It was working just fine, but now it's compromised.
11:21:13 <ion> yeah :-\
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11:24:51 <fizziew> [2012-03-23 10:19:54] Tweeted: About NetHack: will sometimes warn you of danger. off in the wilderness. he was five feet long from tongue to tail. he is not like a wand... (fungot)
11:24:56 <fizziew> Turned that thing on again.
11:25:24 <fizziew> It has been off since beginning of February due to an "'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 64: ordinal not in range".
11:27:07 <elliott> Python's defaulting to ASCII is... odd.
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12:50:24 <elliott> Does anyone even notice me doing that any more?
12:57:47 <RocketJSquirrel> <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: What was glogbackup doing here? // glogbackup determines if Codu is down by ping. If codudms (the DMS for Codu) itself is having connectivity issues, it can misinterpret that as Codu being down.
13:02:07 <elliott> DMS?
13:02:18 <RocketJSquirrel> Dead man's switch.
13:02:33 <elliott> Ah.
13:02:42 <elliott> Have you ever merged in the backup logs, ever?
13:03:02 <RocketJSquirrel> Nope 8-D
13:03:07 <RocketJSquirrel> Don't even have the software to.
13:04:58 <elliott> 00:26:59: <oerjan> `addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
13:05:02 <elliott> @tell oerjan "ALTERNATE".
13:05:02 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
13:05:06 <elliott> `delquote 827
13:05:10 <HackEgo> ​*poof* <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
13:05:51 <elliott> 00:58:03: <RocketJSquirrel> March 1987
13:05:57 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: gcc is over 8 years older than me BEAT THAT OLD MAN
13:06:43 <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
13:06:46 <HackEgo> 827) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
13:08:23 <elliott> `delquote 827
13:08:26 <HackEgo> ​*poof* IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
13:08:27 <elliott> Not funny. THIS is funny:
13:08:29 <elliott> `addquote <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
13:08:32 <HackEgo> 827) <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
13:09:51 <elliott> 01:41:17: <oerjan> is an advanced research fellow a student, or something after that?
13:09:59 <elliott> oerjan: rather considerably after, yes.
13:10:11 <elliott> at least IMO :P
13:14:43 <elliott> Hit random page button to do some cleanup. Landed on TehZ brainfuck derivative, then Snack.
13:32:36 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: I like how Snack's "SIMPLE" interpreter starts with the 'stack' having garbage.
13:34:07 <fizziew> I see it's in Category:Shameful.
13:35:06 <fizziew> RocketJSquirrel: Maybe all Snack programs start with a "grave" by convention? Who can say.
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13:40:50 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: You know how C is fast because it allows memory corruption?
13:40:52 <elliott> It's like that.
13:41:01 <elliott> Snack is esoteric because it enforces memory corruption.
13:41:03 <RocketJSquirrel> lol
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13:41:29 <elliott> fizziew: Anyway, how can an article be a member of a category that doesn't exist?
13:42:51 <fizziew> It's metaphysical, man.
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14:50:24 <elliott> php5-fpm default www spool now listens on unix socket located
14:50:24 <elliott> in /var/run/php5-fpm.sock instead of localhost:9000. If you
14:50:24 <elliott> have configured your webserver to use localhost:9000, you will
14:50:24 <elliott> have to change your settings.
14:50:29 <elliott> Hey guys, I'm about to break Esolang.
14:50:32 <elliott> Prepare yrselves.
14:53:13 <nortti> elliott: did you do this:
14:53:14 <nortti> 502 Bad Gateway
14:53:16 <nortti> nginx/1.1.14
14:53:47 <elliott> TODO:
14:53:49 <elliott> │ ; For Unix only. You may supply arguments as well (default: "sendmail -t -i").
14:53:49 <elliott> │ ; http://php.net/sendmail-path
14:53:49 <elliott> │ -sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail -t
14:53:49 <elliott> │ +;sendmail_path =
14:53:56 <elliott> nortti: Oh, is it broken already?
14:53:58 <elliott> I didn't even reload the server yet.
14:54:23 <nortti> elliott: at least for me
14:54:26 <elliott> Restarting PHP5 FastCGI Process Manager: php5-fpm*** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/php5-fpm: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6ca2778 ***
14:54:32 <elliott> :/
14:54:56 <elliott> Something is rotten in the state of Esolang.
14:56:35 <elliott> nortti: Is it working for you now?
14:56:41 <elliott> It's working for me, despite this double-free.
14:57:06 <nortti> elliott: yes
14:57:15 <elliott> Oh well, I'll proceed to ignore the problem then.
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15:23:03 <elliott> anyway, we're on php 5.4.0 now, woop woop
15:23:25 <RocketJSquirrel> Welcome to The Future of The Past!
15:24:43 <elliott> Oh great, MediaWiki security update.
15:24:46 <elliott> I'm going to break the wiki again, guys.
15:30:44 <elliott> Note to self: elliott@solidity:/srv/esolangs.org/www/mediawiki-1.18.2$ sudo cp -a ../mediawiki/{LocalSettings.php,extensions,images,cache} .
15:31:36 <RocketJSquirrel> [sudo] password for elliott:
15:33:57 <elliott> Upgrade done.
15:34:33 <elliott> (Yes, that's my password!)
15:36:42 <RocketJSquirrel> $ ssh elliott@esolangs.org
15:36:42 <RocketJSquirrel> Permission denied (publickey).
15:36:44 <RocketJSquirrel> :(
15:36:54 <RocketJSquirrel> I didn't even get the chance to test if that was really your password ;)
15:38:01 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: SECURITY, MAN
15:38:20 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Password logins are YESTERDAY. If I lost my computer then I'd still be able to login if I had a password login.
15:38:24 <elliott> And where would we be *then*>
15:38:26 <elliott> *?
15:38:36 <RocketJSquirrel> Logged in to esolangs.org?
15:38:39 <elliott> True!
15:39:03 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: P.S. sshing in to esolangs.org is grievous sin; "ssh solidity" is the only acceptable phrasing.
15:40:11 <mroman> Is there some notation for formulating "sequences" of logic "conclusion"?
15:40:16 <mroman> I.e
15:40:51 <RocketJSquirrel> Are there any matrix-math-based esolangs?
15:41:04 <mroman> Given Q, by Axiom P we know A' and therefore Q = Q', further by Axiom P1 we know A'' and therefore Q' = Q''
15:41:11 <RocketJSquirrel> If not, I think Matrix of Solidity is begging to be linguified. Also I may have already mentioned this possibility.
15:41:23 <elliott> mroman: Any proof verifier's input?
15:41:29 <elliott> Metamath works purely on modus ponens deduction steps.
15:41:32 <elliott> http://metamath.org/
15:41:33 <RocketJSquirrel> *languified? linguified? lenguified?
15:41:36 <elliott> The proofs are exceedingly ugly, though.
15:41:54 <elliott> (In source, not in rendered form.)
15:42:47 <mroman> elliott: I'm not intending to feed it to a proof verifier
15:42:54 <mroman> but it would make that possible, I guess.
15:43:03 <nortti> RocketJSQuirrel: datatype or movie?
15:43:05 <elliott> mroman: I wasn't suggesting a purpose, I was answering the question :)
15:43:12 <RocketJSquirrel> X_X
15:43:35 <elliott> mroman: But, uhh, doesn't *any* proof notation satisfy that?
15:43:38 <RocketJSquirrel> nortti: WTF could "matrix math" POSSIBLY MEAN if I was referring to the movie?
15:43:58 <elliott> I mean, does natural deduction count?
15:44:04 <mroman> I don't know any proof notation ;)
15:44:08 <mroman> (yet)
15:44:35 <fizziew> RocketJSquirrel: I don't know, they speak a lot of "the one" in the movie, that's quite mathy!
15:44:36 <mroman> I know predicate logic
15:45:07 <mroman> But that does not really allow me to sequence stuff.
15:45:12 * elliott throws another Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequent_calculus
15:45:20 <elliott> The best form of battle: Wikipedia duelling.
15:45:21 <elliott> Dueling?
15:45:28 <fizziew> Dualing.
15:46:29 <fizziew> First you wikipedia, then you cowikipedia.
15:46:30 <elliott> Doolin'
15:46:49 <elliott> @tell oerjan http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&diff=prev&oldid=16343 I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU
15:46:49 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:46:50 <mroman> elliott: That's what I was looking for. Thanks.
15:48:27 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Mugh_brains
15:49:04 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/ThisIsNotARealLanguage Wow, Maxsteele2 DISHES OUT THE QUALITY.
15:49:51 <fizziew> elliott: Apple3.14, too.
15:50:45 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Whatsyellowanddangerous.png Hey, look at this copyvio!
15:51:53 <mroman> Although it looks like total overkill :)
15:52:59 <fizziew> elliott: Now you made his user page all boring. :/
15:53:15 <elliott> fizziew: Yes: my secret motive.
15:53:17 <elliott> MWAHAHAHA
15:55:21 <elliott> fizziew: The: IRONY is that Logo.png might just be a copyvio.
15:55:52 <nortti> elliott: howq?
15:55:56 <nortti> *how
15:56:53 <elliott> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_vector_graphics_program_logos
15:57:09 <elliott> nortti: It was deleted from commons for being from a stock image site with unclear licensing, though it previously claimed to be public domain.
15:57:29 <fizziew> Hey, Google's "visually similar images" for the trilime is like the best. http://bit.ly/GVk2At
15:57:38 <fizziew> Quite often it returns nonsense, but this time it's right on.
15:57:43 <fizziew> That's the most lime'est.
15:58:15 <fizziew> Also there's quite a few limes in the internet.
15:58:17 <Sgeo> trilime?
15:58:24 <Sgeo> Oh, duh
15:58:52 <fizziew> Also it's crazy, it turned the image itself into the text "cut limes".
16:00:25 <elliott> fizziew: If you google "three cut limes" you can even find DERIVATIVES OF THE SAME IMAGE
16:00:59 <fizziew> Well, I did a "search by image" and it does find quite a few places where different-sized versions of the real trilime (please stand up) are used.
16:01:23 <fizziew> Food sites, mostly. It's still in recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Lime and so on.
16:01:45 -!- quintopia has set topic: This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines.
16:02:36 -!- elliott has set topic: This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
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16:22:55 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: What is the highest-quality original available?
16:23:31 <RocketJSquirrel> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Manually_coded_SVG Haha oh god why
16:24:04 <elliott> <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: What is the highest-quality original available?
16:24:22 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: There's a spammy Wikipedia mirror-thing with the original high-resolution JPG.
16:24:47 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I would like to ask a Commons administrator to show me the deleted description page, since it presumably contained a link to the original stock photo page.
16:25:00 <elliott> Which presumably has the original.
16:25:01 <elliott> But I'm lazy.
16:25:13 <RocketJSquirrel> Well at least gimme the URL to the mirror X-D
16:26:22 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I would, if I could.
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16:26:28 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I found it once and haven't been able to find it again since.
16:26:36 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Googling "three_cut_limes" or the like turned it up the first time.
16:27:12 <RocketJSquirrel> >_<
16:27:29 <RocketJSquirrel> http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/1602000/1602155_c201_625x625.jpg
16:27:39 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Higher-res than that (and not watermarked).
16:27:47 <elliott> But yes, close.
16:27:50 <RocketJSquirrel> Yeah, I assume so, but that's higher-res than what we've got.
16:27:58 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: So?
16:28:13 <RocketJSquirrel> We should make sure we have the highest-res available mirrored somewhere for FUTURE ARTISTIC WORK.
16:29:12 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I would rather not increase the resolution until I've determined it's not an infringement...
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16:29:40 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Totally relatedly, if someone models a vector image on a photograph, is that a derivative work? What if it's traced?
16:29:50 <elliott> I would assume "probably not" and "yes".
16:31:04 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/AppleJuiceisGood/Decorated%20images/?action=view&current=180px-Three_cut_limes.jpg&mediafilter=images
16:31:10 <elliott> ART.
16:31:34 <elliott> http://partyflock.nl/albumelement/12886448:Three_cut_limes.html ;; this might be the original
16:32:10 <Phantom_Hoover> You did reverse image search it, right?
16:32:13 <elliott> Yes.
16:32:45 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Found
16:32:57 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: http://en.wikivisual.com/images/e/e3/Three_cut_limes.jpg
16:33:18 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover saying that made me reverse image source the partyflock.nl link I just linked, which turned that up :P
16:37:13 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: THANKS FOR THE THANKS
16:44:53 <coppro> hey pikhq_: your government owes me money
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16:48:47 <nortti> why the fuck does one put disconnect from server right next to close tab and make it so it doesn't ask if I want to do it on a mouse driven interface!?
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16:54:27 <Phantom_Hoover> nortti, there's a key combination on XChat which I don't actually know but is very easy to hit accidentally which exits the current channel.
16:55:58 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Ctrl+W?
16:56:06 <Phantom_Hoover> I don't think so.
16:56:18 <Phantom_Hoover> That's not too easy to hit accidentally, for one.
16:57:22 <nortti> Well at lest once I have made TenFourFox ask if I want to quit this one is eliminated, but before I found this setting in about:config I very usually pressed Cmd-Q instead of Cmd-W and then it quit the browser and disconnected me from any irc channels I had open
17:00:06 <elliott> The problem is that you're using ChatZilla for some incomprehensible reason.
17:01:10 <nortti> elliott: irssi didn't want to compile and my own client only supports one channel at a time
17:01:22 <Phantom_Hoover> XChat?
17:01:25 <elliott> XChat? Wait, it's OS X. Limechat?
17:02:02 <elliott> Or that MacIrssi thing. I don't know if it's any good.
17:02:21 <nortti> elliott: what is wrong with ChatZilla.
17:02:56 <nortti> elliott: I run OS X 10.4, so nothing really runs on this unless I compile it from source
17:02:57 <Phantom_Hoover> You have to use Firefox to use it?
17:03:57 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: what is wrong with Firefox (by the way I don't use Firefox, but rather TenFourFox)
17:03:59 <elliott> nortti: It's terrible.
17:04:00 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Not technically true.
17:04:27 <nortti> elliott: what makes it terrible?
17:05:34 <elliott> It simply has generally awful UI and behaviour in comparison to basically every other client (apart from all the other ones that suck).
17:06:18 <nortti> elliott: I
17:06:53 <nortti> I have no problem with it except the disconnect from server thing
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17:07:22 <Phantom_Hoover> Yet another reason not to use it.
17:07:41 <nortti> and I also hate when enter press counts when you basicaly move your finger next to it
17:07:58 <nortti> but that's problem with my keyboard
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17:08:55 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: SWEEEEET
17:08:59 <RocketJSquirrel> (By which I mean SOUUUUUUUUUUR)
17:13:27 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: ANYWAY <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Totally relatedly, if someone models a vector image on a photograph, is that a derivative work? What if it's traced?
17:13:27 <elliott> <elliott> I would assume "probably not" and "yes".
17:14:49 <RocketJSquirrel> wtf do I know X-D
17:15:10 <RocketJSquirrel> I would assume "yes but perhaps falls under fair use" and "yes and you'll go to *IAA prison"
17:16:05 <RocketJSquirrel> I assume that, per Commons policy, you'll be making this vector image with vim, and not a *gasp* VECTOR ART PROGRAM.
17:18:33 <elliott> Naturally.
17:18:38 <elliott> Actually I was going to order someone else to do it.
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17:29:22 <nortti> http://www.osnews.com/story/6282
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17:45:02 <pikhq_> RocketJSquirrel: Wait what?
17:46:04 <RocketJSquirrel> pikhq_: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Manually_coded_SVG
17:46:11 <RocketJSquirrel> (It's not actually a policy, I was just making a joke ;) )
17:46:49 <RocketJSquirrel> But it has links like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_files_to_be_drawn_by_hand (things that should be re-"drawn" by manually editing SVG files)
17:48:00 <pikhq_> But... That... And... GAH
17:48:04 <Sgeo> No France?
17:48:11 <RocketJSquirrel> pikhq_: Amazing, innit 8-D
17:50:20 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: This "Sarang" guy sure has a chip on their shoulder :P
17:50:40 <RocketJSquirrel> Seems that way.
17:50:54 <RocketJSquirrel> An Adobe chip.
17:50:59 <elliott> Deewiant: Can I have the esoforum archive? Email to penguinofthegods@gmail.com would be fine
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17:55:46 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: By the way, since I let the whole conversation go without a word, the yellow on the homepage is too obtrusive. Hyuk hyuk hyuk.
17:56:31 <tswett> RocketJSquirrel: I was going to /whois you, but it's pretty clear who you are from your last twelve messages.
17:56:35 <tswett> Use this information wisely.
17:57:12 <tswett> Now. This one answer on StackOverflow says, "Java doesn't support shared memory because it's very OS specific". Is there something OS-specific about shared memory itself, or is it just that setting it up is OS-specific?
17:57:33 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: It's the FEATURED LANGUAGE, man.
17:57:37 <tswett> I mean, the *concept* of shared memory seems pretty simple. There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room in "there's this region of memory that multiple running programs can access".
17:57:49 <elliott> tswett: "This one answer on Stack Overflow says," === "This following statement is complete bullshit,"
17:58:09 <elliott> But yes, there is no portable shared memory API, just like there's no portable practically-anything API.
17:58:14 <tswett> Hm. I can believe that.
17:58:23 <elliott> POSIX has its own thing and it's awful, Windows presumably has its own thing and it's almost certainly twice as awful.
17:58:43 <elliott> Java achieves "write once, run anywhere" by barely letting you talk to the OS at all.
17:59:40 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_Simplified This is amazing.
18:00:08 <elliott> "It is suggested to order the files by their reduction ratio:
18:00:08 <elliott> When Trine-symbol.svg from 26 August 2007 had a size of 2022 and is now 188 bytes, the quotient 188/2022 is 0.09297725; the first four digits after the "0." are the sorting key, written [[Category:SVG Simplified| 0929]], with a space between the "|"-stroke and the four digits to prevent group 0..9 creation."
18:00:29 <pikhq_> And of course *Linux* shared memory is a still different thing.
18:00:38 <pikhq_> (/dev/shm)
18:00:40 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: Sarang is my hero X-D
18:00:45 <Deewiant> elliott: Done
18:01:00 <elliott> Deewiant: Thx
18:01:04 <elliott> Deewiant: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/OpenOffice.org_2_icon.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/OpenOffice.org_2_icon_small.svg
18:01:07 <elliott> Oops
18:01:09 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/OpenOffice.org_2_icon.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/OpenOffice.org_2_icon_small.svg
18:01:14 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Zoom in, note how latter one looks terrible
18:01:18 <elliott> IT'S SO SMALL THOUGH
18:01:46 <RocketJSquirrel> lol
18:01:53 <pikhq_> Huh, Windows shared memory is not horrifying.
18:02:03 <pikhq_> It's done via their mmap-alike.
18:02:04 <olsner> "disgarbaged version" :)
18:07:32 <fizzie> Perhaps someone should just buy some limes and recreate a known-not-infringing version.
18:07:39 <Deewiant> Ah, now I remember why catalyst was preferred to xf86-video-ati: "dynpm only works when a single head is active".
18:07:54 <elliott> fizzie: No, it must be Those Specific Limes.
18:08:01 <elliott> fizzie: Spiritual reasons.
18:08:41 <Deewiant> And using the "low" profile was annoyingly louder than catalyst. Ah well, maybe I'll try again anyway.
18:10:47 <elliott> Deewiant: Woot: http://esolangs.org/forum/
18:10:57 <elliott> Now to put up a notice of historicity, and tell Graue to redirect the voxelperfect URL.
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18:20:11 <elliott> `run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body ([^>]*)>/\1 test'
18:20:13 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 24: unterminated `s' command
18:20:16 <elliott> `run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body ([^>]*)>/\1 test/'
18:20:19 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 25: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
18:20:24 <elliott> `run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body \([^>]*)>/\1 test/'
18:20:26 <elliott> `run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body \([^>]*\)>/\1 test/'
18:20:28 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 26: Unmatched ( or \(
18:20:30 <HackEgo> blah testfoo
18:20:39 <olsner> are you trying to parse HTML in sed?
18:20:42 <elliott> `run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 test/'
18:20:44 <elliott> olsner: maybe
18:20:45 <HackEgo> ​<body blah> testfoo
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18:22:09 <fizzie> 20:21 <fizzie> perlbot, html
18:22:09 <fizzie> 20:21 <perlbot> Don't parse or modify html with regular expressions! See one of HTML::Parser's subclasses: HTML::TokeParser, HTML::TokeParser::Simple, HTML::TreeBuilder(::Xpath)?, HTML::TableExtract etc. If your response begins "that's overkill. i only want to..." you are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy and http://xrl.us/bf4jh6 for why not to use regex on HTML
18:22:54 <fizzie> Second link seems to go to the zalgofied SO thing.
18:23:19 <elliott> find . -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/<div style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.</strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming languages, the <a href="/wiki/">Esolang wiki</a> is the place to
18:23:19 <elliott> go.</div>/' {}' \;
18:23:22 <elliott> MAYBE THIS WILL WORK
18:23:25 <elliott> oh needs more backslashes
18:24:49 <elliott> fizzie: Why does that replace all the things in kareha.pl, but none of the html files elsewhere? :(
18:25:19 <RocketJSquirrel> I never got my WebSplat zalgofier to work :(
18:27:03 <ion> convert http://i.imgur.com/uGE2y.png pgm:- | tr '\r' '\n' | tail -n +4 | less
18:27:41 <elliott> I bet Deewiant knows.
18:28:05 <fizzie> elliott: I don't really know; at least the find bit of it should work. (With the caveat that it groups (name *.html) || (path kareha && type f).
18:28:15 <fizzie> (But all *.html are probably files anyway.)
18:30:10 <elliott> Note to self: sudo find . -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 <p style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.<\/strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming languages, the <a href="\/wiki\/">Esolang wik
18:30:10 <elliott> i<\/a> is the place to go.<\/p>/' '{}' \;
18:30:22 <Deewiant> elliott: The -exec only applies to the last thing, you need brackets
18:30:39 <Deewiant> $ find . -maxdepth 1 -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.c' -type f -exec ls {} \;
18:30:39 <Deewiant> ./arst.c
18:30:41 <Deewiant> $ find . -maxdepth 1 \( -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.c' \) -type f -exec ls {} \;
18:30:42 <Deewiant> ./arst.cc
18:30:42 <Deewiant> ./arst.c
18:33:01 <elliott> Deewiant: That's weird.
18:33:38 <fizzie> That's kinda funny how it still manages to inhibit the default 'print' action. But I guess it makes sense.
18:34:57 <olsner> the find command line is like a weird syntax for prolog
18:35:00 <olsner> it even has cuts
18:36:43 <elliott> elliott@solidity:/srv/esolangs.org/www/static/forum$ sudo find . \( -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f \) -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 <p style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.<\/strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming
18:36:43 <elliott> languages, the <a href="\/wiki\/">Esolang wiki<\/a> is the place to go. You can download an <a href="\/forum\/forum.txz">archive of the forum<\/a> is available.<\/p>/' '{}' \;
18:36:45 <elliott> That was fun.
18:36:59 <elliott> Oops, I my broke language.
18:37:13 <fizzie> You're still testing -type f only for ./kareha.pl/* files, but I suppose that doesn't matter.
18:38:21 <elliott> fizzie: That was the intention.
18:38:28 <elliott> kareha.pl/ contains files like "l50" which are HTML.
18:39:09 <fizzie> Oh, so you *want* to try running sed also on directories that have a name that ends up in ".html".
18:39:54 <elliott> fizzie: Well... there are exactly two HTML files not in kareha.pl. :p
18:40:20 <fizzie> "How is there even a file inside a Perl script I don't get it BRAIN BORKE"
18:41:23 <elliott> fizzie: Because Deewiant wgetted a site which had /kareha.pl/ CGI URLs. :p
18:42:36 <fizzie> Nooooo, I think you are having some sort of a system where you can write paths like that and it will make whatever the executable provides available as a userland filesystem style thing.
18:43:20 <fizzie> Wasn't there something like that? Any executable could provide a filesystem. Or maybe I'm just thinking of some zzo comments.
18:43:21 <elliott> Yes, that's true also.
18:44:27 <fizzie> <zzo38> And also a directory /proc/$$/9p/ which contains a filesystem that the process program can create itself.
18:44:35 <fizzie> I think that was what I was thinking about.
18:46:32 <elliott> "I think I'll use this forum to post my ideas about my version of C in which the source code is written with s-expressions. If someone happens to reply with something I don't like, I'll just call them an idiot and ignore them. Warned."
18:46:42 <elliott> See, without Deewiant and I, things like this would be lost to the universe.
18:48:09 <olsner> ooh, I could then use my s-expression-to-templates translator to build a c compiler in templates
18:48:55 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192759617/l50 <-- PRESERVED FOR THE AGES
18:49:46 <olsner> hmm, damn, that'd only work if the C-in-sexps project produced a C-to-sexps translator
18:50:18 <elliott> olsner: http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192820791/l50, for what it's worth.
18:50:30 <elliott> (>>4 has nicer formatting than >>1.)
18:50:57 <elliott> "(The #t parameter is just some flag to say whether the expression needs a ; or whether it's a subexpression.)" -- tut tut, they should clearly have separate functions for expressions and statements.
18:52:46 <olsner> "Some things I might try are; in-built lists, and resultingly, rudimentary gargage collection"
18:52:50 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: LOL. I didn't think it was possible to minimize it any more. Nice work. Magasjukur2 (talk) 08:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
18:52:50 <elliott> You did really good simplification work. But some reductions remain still almost always as a possibility. -- sarang사랑 08:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
18:53:32 <elliott> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AFEMRib.svg -- ooh, this image is GFDL, CC by-sa, *and* public domain.
18:54:16 <olsner> "now 0.21% of previous size"
18:54:21 <fizzie> Is there a category for images done in POV-Ray? I remember that the angry Riemann sphere had POV source code in the image description.
18:54:34 <fizzie> (It could maybe do with some minimization.)
18:55:15 <olsner> I like how it's quite obviously different even when only looking at the thumbnail
18:56:22 <elliott> olsner: don't you just mean the "fix blue" one
18:56:30 <elliott> fix blue -> Disgarbaged -> code simplified looks the same to me
18:56:39 <elliott> even the full version
18:57:43 <elliott> http://en.odkk.ru/ this is still the best
18:57:49 <olsner> well, compare any of those to the original version: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/9/9e/20080127095717!AFEMRib.svg
19:00:10 <elliott> olsner: yes, but the first few revisions were by the _original uploader_...
19:00:16 <elliott> and therefore desired
19:01:14 <olsner> hmm, the first one is by Shazz and the one after is Ipankonin? maybe those are the same though
19:02:01 <olsner> same person, not same picture obviously
19:04:21 <elliott> oh, fair enough
19:04:27 <elliott> but it's not part of minimisation, is what i meant
19:06:22 <elliott> fizzie: olsner: You are both treasonous, by the way.
19:06:47 <olsner> elliott: obviously
19:09:12 <olsner> oh, my... "Is C++ the Language of the Future?"
19:10:47 <ion> Coffee through nose to keyboard
19:14:28 <fizzie> elliott: I optimized the trilime for you, http://esolangs.org/w/images/c/c9/Logo.png -> http://zem.fi/~fis/trilime.svg -- keep flipping between them, you'll see the resemblance. HTH, HAND.
19:15:09 <fizzie> Well, I mean, some fidelity might be lost, but it's a great saving in bytes, and scalable to boot.
19:15:23 <ion> Minecraft trilime
19:18:50 <elliott> fizzie: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
19:19:48 <elliott> THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T TEMPT ME, FOLKS
19:20:32 <Mathnerd314> wtf, who runs that?
19:21:04 <ion> The Illuminati.
19:21:22 <Mathnerd314> names, addresses, phone numbers
19:21:38 <elliott> Mathnerd314: Who runs what?
19:21:45 <Mathnerd314> esolangs.org
19:21:52 <elliott> Me. Formerly Graue.
19:22:12 <elliott> fizzie: Have you seen it yet, I should: put it back.
19:22:28 <fizzie> elliott: I have seen it, thank you. (But think of the bandwidth bills you'd save!)
19:22:57 <Mathnerd314> in particular, who put the quote "enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" at the bottom?
19:23:17 <elliott> Me, since I redesigned the front page recently. But RocketJSquirrel put it there originally.
19:23:21 <elliott> `quote matrix of solidity
19:23:24 <HackEgo> 294) <treederwright> enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
19:23:36 <elliott> Why, are you locked in one?
19:23:49 <olsner> of course he is
19:24:08 <elliott> fizzie: With a little bit more detail and slightly more accurate colours I might have even kept it. :p
19:24:49 <Deewiant> Sweet, xf86-video-ati seems to be working well.
19:25:05 <elliott> Mathnerd314: I'm also to blame for the kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen thing. If you need a scapegoat.
19:26:20 <Mathnerd314> I haven't heard of that one
19:26:36 <olsner> `quote kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen
19:26:39 <HackEgo> No output.
19:26:46 <Deewiant> `quote kaksikymment
19:26:49 <HackEgo> No output.
19:27:35 <elliott> http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg
19:27:36 <elliott> Hope this helps.
19:28:17 <Mathnerd314> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page/Kaksikymment%C3%A4nelj%C3%A4tuntiaikakausit%C3%A4m%C3%A4nhetkinen
19:28:50 <elliott> Yes, the main page used to link to it.
19:28:52 <elliott> Then it didn't.
19:29:08 <elliott> Now I keep thinking "I should delete that", but then that turns into "I should find a way to work a link to that into the main page".
19:29:15 <elliott> But then I can never think of a satisfactory way.
19:30:40 <Mathnerd314> why is "Go to the main page" in Meta?
19:31:46 <olsner> elliott: http://olsner.se/treeleem.svg
19:34:20 <elliott> Mathnerd314: Well, can you think of something more meta?
19:34:30 <elliott> olsner: That's four, moron.
19:34:51 <olsner> elliott: no it's tree leems
19:35:00 <Mathnerd314> elliott: go to a discussion of the main page
19:35:02 <Deewiant> elliott: http://i.imgur.com/8d10m.png
19:35:30 <olsner> but ok, that was actually a mistake, new one at http://olsner.se/treeleem2.svg
19:41:49 <elliott> Deewiant: I think there's a joke I'm missing.
19:42:20 <elliott> olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
19:42:45 <ion> THERE… ARE… THREE… LIMES!
19:42:53 <elliott> The bottom-right one is still too dark :p
19:43:07 <elliott> Also it should be 135x155 (I realise SVGs are scalable, but, you know.)
19:43:22 <olsner> I stole the colors from fizzie
19:44:01 <olsner> maybe we should just gcolor "lower right lime"
19:44:23 <elliott> fizzie knows all about gcolor.
19:44:36 <elliott> Oh, you actually meant that gcolor.
19:44:48 <elliott> I thought you meant use gcolor's colour picker to find the colour of the lime.
19:45:22 <olsner> no, or did I? maybe I did, I dunno.. isn't gcolor what it was called?
19:45:26 <elliott> Yes.
19:45:33 <elliott> fizzie's thing.
19:45:41 <olsner> yes, exactly
19:45:59 <elliott> But seriously: with a better colour for the bottom-right lime, the proper "two-part" border (dark green on outside, lightest green on inside) I'll seriously consider using it :P
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19:47:03 <elliott> Deewiant: Did you want me to set that as the logo? :p
19:50:13 <olsner> elliott: that's like 10 times the amount of SVG I intended to write today
19:51:01 <elliott> olsner: You hand-wrote that thing?
19:51:09 <elliott> Well, I guess it is OPTOMIZED(tm).
19:51:45 <olsner> I just replaced the rectangles with circles of the same size
19:52:28 <Mathnerd314> you didn't use stroke/fill patterns...
19:52:49 <olsner> Mathnerd314: how could I? I don't know what those are :)
19:53:58 <Mathnerd314> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/painting.html#StrokeProperties
19:55:53 <Mathnerd314> should be 90% easier than using two circles...
19:56:01 <elliott> FSVO 90%
19:56:34 <Mathnerd314> yeah, probably around 40%
19:56:42 <Mathnerd314> (if you measure ease by LOC)
19:56:49 <elliott> who doesn't
19:56:54 <Mathnerd314> *bytes of code
19:57:30 <olsner> Mathnerd314: hmm, waiting for you to do it for us sounds like 100% easier
19:57:48 <olsner> now that you've determined what the Proper way to do it is, it's trivial
19:57:54 <Mathnerd314> nope, I have no efficient text editors
19:58:01 <elliott> use an inefficient one
19:58:17 <Mathnerd314> my fingers disagree
19:58:50 <elliott> your fingers don't even have a brain
19:59:41 <Mathnerd314> they have neurons which are registering feelings I generally associate with pain
20:00:54 <elliott> ah, less talking on irc, more fixing olsner's svg, then
20:01:08 <elliott> hth
20:01:30 <olsner> you know, fizzie is the real winner here
20:02:45 <fizzie> The colors were entirely accurate: I used Gimp's color picker tool to pick them. Admittedly, they're maybe not the *right* accurate colors, but they're certainly colors that existed in the image.
20:03:06 <olsner> (post three brown rectangles on IRC, wait for trilime)
20:03:07 <elliott> fizzie: I suggest making everything transparent, then :P
20:03:09 <Mathnerd314> fizzie: did you pixelate beforehand?
20:03:27 <fizzie> http://esolangs.org/w/images/c/c9/Logo.png says 135x131, I don't know anything else about sizes.
20:03:41 <elliott> Anyway, fizzie and olsner have enslaved themselves; I will now expect them to increment this towards looking like the logo.
20:04:06 <elliott> fizzie: 135x155 is the size of Wikipedia's logo (and thus what the skins are designed for).
20:04:09 <elliott> The trilime is a bit lopsided.
20:04:16 <Deewiant> Where did the whole lime idea come from?
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20:04:53 <Mathnerd314> s/idea/image/
20:05:13 <elliott> Deewiant: CONGRATULATION! You are user # 1, 000, 000 to ask about trilime origin . Click here to claim free viagra
20:05:25 <fizzie> Re stroke/fill, I didn't want to remember how to specify the stroke width.
20:05:30 <elliott> (a) Graue saw it (presumably on Commons); (b) he liked it; (c) and thus it was done.
20:05:50 <elliott> hi oerjan, i accept payments in blood
20:06:00 <oerjan> hi elliott
20:06:01 <lambdabot> oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
20:06:04 <oerjan> @messages
20:06:05 <lambdabot> elliott said 7h 59s ago: "ALTERNATE".
20:06:05 <lambdabot> elliott said 4h 19m 13s ago: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&diff=prev&oldid=16343 I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU
20:06:43 <Mathnerd314> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cross_sections_of_limes
20:06:53 <Mathnerd314> no apparent copies
20:07:17 <elliott> Mathnerd314: It was deleted.
20:07:30 <elliott> From sxc.hu, marked as "public domain" with no particular citation
20:07:34 <elliott> as i understand it
20:08:25 <nortti> what!? there is category Cross sections of limes in wikimedia commons?
20:10:05 <oerjan> elliott: IT BELONGS THERE
20:11:48 <Sgeo> Limey limey lime lime lime
20:11:55 <elliott> Sgeo: You called?
20:12:01 <Sgeo> I don't think I have ever tasted limes
20:12:03 <elliott> oerjan: SWAT
20:12:03 <elliott> oerjan: SWAT
20:12:04 <elliott> oerjan: SWAT
20:12:05 <elliott> oerjan: SWAT
20:12:05 <elliott> oerjan: SWAT
20:12:22 <elliott> oerjan: You know how you feel when people put entries in the language list out of order?
20:12:27 <elliott> THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
20:12:31 <elliott> CONSTANTLY
20:13:00 <oerjan> my condolences on your insistence to use ancient r'lyehan alphabetization
20:13:17 * Mathnerd314 interpreted SWAT as the acronym
20:14:12 <Mathnerd314> elliott: link to the deletion debate? or was it speedily deleted?
20:14:52 <elliott> Mathnerd314: It was deleted as part of a mass cleanup of sxc images -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=File%3AThree+cut+limes.jpg&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=
20:14:58 <elliott> since, as I understand it, they're actually all-rights-reserved but "free"
20:15:03 <elliott> and people interpreted this as "public domain"
20:15:07 <elliott> oh hey
20:15:08 <elliott> 20:48, 23 June 2005 Rex (talk | contribs) uploaded "File:Three cut limes.jpg" (three cut lime Photographer: jefras Source: [http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=104899 Stock.xchng]: ''There are no usage restrictions for this photo.''. A higher resolution image is available for download at the site. {{PD}} )
20:15:09 <elliott> a link!
20:15:17 <elliott> Error!
20:15:17 <elliott> No such photo.
20:15:18 <elliott> sigh
20:15:51 <olsner> I tried googling for it and got "This is the 26th Usefulness Lime"
20:16:28 <elliott> http://www.sxc.hu/profile/jefras
20:16:35 <elliott> http://www.jefras.com/jefras.com/jefras.html the man
20:16:57 <elliott> ok now how do i convince this guy to release his limes into the public domain
20:18:32 <elliott> I am a retired man and I am not editing wikipedia. Will you and your stupid friends please stop sending me stupid warning messages? I don't know who you are and I don't care about you. Have a bit more care about where you send your messages as I am NOT one of your young friends and I do NOT need to receive your communications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
20:19:41 <oerjan> retired in the memetic "lack of oxygen" sense, it seems
20:19:42 <Mathnerd314> so his photos got taken of sxc?
20:19:49 <Mathnerd314> *off
20:20:21 <ion> Meanwhile in Finland http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7943512
20:20:35 <oerjan> too bad dmm isn't active in the community any more, i'm sure he could make a _mean_ trilime picture
20:20:56 <elliott> Mathnerd314: Oh, that wasn't the guy.
20:21:06 <elliott> That was just a random quote.
20:21:15 <elliott> I go TOO FAST FOR YOU.
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20:23:20 <Taneb> Hello
20:23:26 <Taneb> I've got a brilliant esolang
20:23:30 <Taneb> I just need a name
20:23:46 <Taneb> It's like functional, but looks a bit like BIT
20:23:59 <Mathnerd314> FBLIT
20:24:05 <Taneb> Example program:
20:24:34 <Taneb> (not actually a full program, merely a program segment)
20:24:56 <ion> taneb: Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
20:25:15 <elliott> ++
20:25:25 <Taneb> I'm actually going to use that name
20:25:30 <elliott> Excellent.
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20:25:45 <elliott> RFNHS3SDD for short.
20:25:53 <ion> R for even shorter.
20:26:04 <Mathnerd314> ion: R is taken
20:26:07 <oerjan> elliott: i have a feeling this language doesn't need abbreviations
20:26:11 <ion> mathnerd: No kidding
20:26:15 <oerjan> or is allergic to them
20:26:28 <olsner> oerjan: also, the full name is better
20:26:51 <elliott> I feel compelled to point out that ion used the wrong kind of apostrophe.
20:27:02 <elliott> It's just a '.
20:27:19 <elliott> ais523: Speaking of, I might sit down and spec out Johny sometime.
20:27:28 <oerjan> then we can create a new category for language's whose names should never be acronymized. three is enough for a category, right?
20:27:38 <oerjan> *-'
20:27:49 <elliott> oerjan: What are the other two?
20:27:50 <ion> elliott: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nugk2AYvMGg/TW41AYhy1_I/AAAAAAAAAr0/K9yQqE9HfwE/s1600/shairsalon3sheardisaste.jpg
20:28:03 <ais523> elliott: heh, have you found a language that the name fits yet?
20:28:16 <ais523> oerjan: does INTERCAL count? that's not quite the same thing
20:28:19 <elliott> ion: Are you saying the spammer got the name wrong?
20:28:20 <olsner> elliott: hmm, I have a feeling the bad apostrophe somehow makes the name slightly better
20:28:23 <elliott> I'm offended.
20:28:33 <oerjan> elliott: INTERCAL and Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory
20:28:38 <elliott> ais523: Well, no. But I figure a language that doesn't fit the name is just as good.
20:29:43 <ion> ' is a kluge made to decrease the number of keys in mechanical typewriters and later to free some codepoints in ASCII.
20:31:02 <elliott> ion: And a kludge the spammer lovingly adopted.
20:31:20 <ais523> early mechanical typewriters didn't even have 0 or 1 keys, you were meant to use O and I
20:31:36 <elliott> I have this distinct feeling people won't remember having non-straight apostrophes or different opening and closing quotes in a few hundred years.
20:31:59 <ais523> elliott: a reddit comment explained the invention of the backslash a while back
20:32:10 <ais523> apparently, it was to make it possible to type /\ and \/
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20:32:33 <elliott> Evidence #1: Nobody gives a shit about them. Evidence #2: 90% of the content on the web is entered in that form (although some things automatically smartify the input, that's not really something that most people would notice).
20:32:40 <elliott> Evidence #3: Wikipedia uses the straight forms :p
20:32:47 <elliott> ais523: ISTR that too
20:33:31 <ion> ais: As in ∧ and ∨?
20:33:37 <ais523> ion: yes
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20:34:20 <ion> _ and | were made for ⊥
20:34:22 <elliott> ion: For someone who cares about apostrophes you sure like mangling people's namse :)
20:34:24 <elliott> *names
20:34:28 <olsner> oh, they didn't invent the backslash to allow directories in DOS?
20:34:45 <ion> eliot: Really?
20:34:57 <elliott> ais523: kick ion
20:35:23 <ais523> ion: don't spell elliott's name, he doesn't like it and there's no excuse given the existence of tab-complete
20:35:28 <ion> Numbers in names are often just due to the real one being already taken. :-P
20:35:38 <ais523> (although, I find it hard to spell elliott any other way even when it's correct, having known this elliott so long)
20:35:41 <oerjan> `addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
20:35:43 <HackEgo> 828) <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
20:35:53 <Mathnerd314> ais523: what about elly?
20:35:54 <ion> I’m ion1 or something in some places but i’d prefer ion.
20:36:07 <ais523> Mathnerd314: that's not a common abbreviation for "elliott"
20:36:09 <elliott> ion: ais523 was preceded by 522 ais'.
20:36:12 <elliott> *aises.
20:36:13 <elliott> *aisen.
20:36:17 <elliott> *aisopodes.
20:36:18 <fizzie> elliott: Here's a quick thing -- http://zem.fi/~fis/trili3.svg -- but it's in Inkscape, so it's completely unusable; I can optomize it, though; I was just kinda prototyping. (The colors are also somewhat off.)
20:36:20 <ion> *arse
20:36:26 <ais523> it is a moderately common name, but it's short for something else
20:36:28 <ais523> I forget what offhand
20:36:33 <elliott> Anyway, "taneb" and "mathnerd" are both wrong. :(
20:36:41 <olsner> elliott: plus 100 plus 10 plus 1 if you also count ais0-ais9, ais00-ais99 and ais itself
20:36:50 <Mathnerd314> ais523: my point was it makes tab-complete difficult
20:37:38 <ais523> ah, I didn't notice she was in /here/
20:37:43 <ais523> (I know her from another channel)
20:37:44 <elliott> fizzie: Modulo colours that's getting darn close... the slices look a bit naff, though. Maybe I should start playing around with it myself. Given that I know no SVG, that would be completely practical.
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20:38:18 <Mathnerd314> ais523: and which channel would that be, or is it classified?
20:38:26 <oerjan> <elliott> "You've earned the "monads" badge. See your profile." <-- you are now obligated to make a tutorial.
20:38:31 <elliott> hmm, atheme/member/elly... does that mean I can yell at elly whenever services do something stupid?
20:38:44 <ais523> Mathnerd314: ##crawl-dev
20:38:50 <elliott> oerjan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8777216/how-do-you-identify-monadic-design-patterns/8777358#8777358
20:39:17 <olsner> monads, and design patterns?
20:39:32 <ion> Ooh, i like Crawl.
20:39:40 <elliott> olsner: It's the bestest answer to the worstest question.
20:39:42 <ion> Haven’t played for ages, though.
20:39:46 <elliott> ion: You won't get along with ais523, then!
20:39:59 <elliott> Or monqy. Do we have any people from Crawl channels that actually like Crawl?
20:39:59 <ais523> I /want/ to like Crawl, but can't
20:40:07 <ais523> every now and then I start playing it again, and remember why I don't like it
20:40:13 <Phantom_Hoover> Why?
20:40:26 <Taneb> How do I get code-formatted markup in a table?
20:40:32 <elliott> All I really know about Crawl is that I hate its interface and a bunch of silly Windows users play it, so it most be terrible.
20:40:45 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: devs are taking it in the wrong direction
20:40:45 <elliott> Taneb: you can start a new line after the | and use the space method, or just use <pre>
20:40:50 <elliott> Taneb: if it's just one-line code, use <code> instead
20:40:56 <elliott> Well, also what ais523 has told me.
20:40:58 <Phantom_Hoover> Which wrong direction?
20:41:07 <ais523> there seems to be some sort of crusade against tactics
20:41:16 <Phantom_Hoover> wat
20:41:16 <ais523> and the game tends to tend in the direction of obfuscating complexity
20:41:25 <ais523> security through obscurity makes no sense in a roguelike…
20:41:50 <elliott> fizzie: Out of curimatosity, how easy would it be to add a radial gradient on each lime centred at the... uh, centre? (I don't need a demonstration. (Mostly because I don't really need/want to see those colours again.))
20:42:45 <fizzie> elliott: Quite easy.
20:43:24 <oerjan> elliott: btw is there a way to say that all <pre>'s inside a table should have class="plain" automatically? i am starting to think that would be useful...
20:43:28 <ais523> oerjan: interesting fact: while I have written several MiniMAX interps, I have never dared to run any of them
20:43:35 <ais523> also, does class="plain" on the table work?
20:43:39 <elliott> ais523: No.
20:43:41 <elliott> oerjan: I could do it like .plainlinks.
20:43:56 <elliott> oerjan: Instead of <pre class="plain">, it'd be any <pre> inside a .plainpre
20:44:19 <oerjan> elliott: i _tried_ if class="pre.plain" would work, but alas :(
20:44:35 <elliott> oerjan: No, that doesn't make any sense at all :)
20:45:01 <oerjan> elliott: it was just a wild guess
20:45:15 <elliott> oerjan: Okay, done. (The existing uses will have to be fixed.)
20:45:30 <oerjan> yay
20:45:43 <elliott> Just class="plainpre" on something surrounding it and remove the <<class="plain">>s.
20:45:51 <elliott> Wait, make that plainpres.
20:48:44 <elliott> oerjan: By the way, I upgraded MediaWiki and you haven't even thanked me yet.
20:48:59 <oerjan> ais523: nice synchronicity - it was your MiniMax table that convinced me that something like plainpres was needed :)
20:49:19 <ais523> oerjan: I saw you editing MiniMAX, and being unsure why you were doing so
20:49:21 <ais523> have you figured it out yet?
20:49:31 <ais523> (I was commenting on MiniMAX /because/ you were editing it)
20:49:35 <oerjan> figured out what?
20:50:27 <oerjan> ais523: i just thought i should add a proper table, after doing so for the TC proof
20:50:45 <ais523> why you were editing it
20:50:50 <oerjan> ais523: also i hit the latter by pressing random
20:50:57 <oerjan> *clicking
20:51:14 <elliott> ais523: he was unsure why he started his formatting because it's a lot of work, presumably
20:51:37 <oerjan> hm i guess press is also correct in english
20:51:49 <elliott> pressing is OK
20:51:53 <elliott> usually for buttons though
20:51:56 <elliott> oerjan: Do you want me to fix the existing uses of pre.plain?
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20:53:09 <oerjan> elliott: sure >:)
20:53:35 <elliott> oerjan: Actually, that was meant to make you feel guilty about not yet having done it.
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20:55:43 <elliott> I'm too tired to operate vim, man!
20:55:54 <elliott> I would have to fix them... BY HAND
20:56:41 <oerjan> elliott: well you see i haven't finished reading the logs, i have this stackoverflow link open which you linked, and GETTING TO THINGS TAKES TIME
20:57:38 <elliott> It wasn't even a proper upgrade, anyway, just a security upgrade.
20:57:42 * elliott takes his ball and goes home.
20:57:45 * elliott sniffles.
20:58:25 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9751923/church-lists-in-haskell http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9846368/operations-on-church-lists-in-haskell
20:58:28 <elliott> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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20:59:31 <elliott> oerjan: I also did a: http://esolangs.org/forum/
20:59:43 <oerjan> wat
21:00:17 <oerjan> i'm sorry, my things-to-remember-to-check queue is overflowing
21:00:46 <elliott> Well, I also a-talk'd 'bout it in th'logs.
21:00:55 <oerjan> okay
21:02:57 <Taneb> Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download was originally going to be a really terse language with only four one-character commands
21:04:27 <oerjan> @Gabe, what was this about...
21:04:27 <lambdabot> Plugin `babel' failed with: Error: Language what not supported
21:04:40 <oerjan> oh right it's just that
21:04:54 <oerjan> weird that it happened while discussing transliteration :P
21:06:33 <oerjan> <elliott> I'm haskell, haskell, haskell, monads. <-- that _ought_ to summon some elder god.
21:06:57 <ion> taneb: How about being able to supply a dictionary of your own names for each command?
21:07:18 <elliott> ion: are you kidding? then how would anyone make a trivial derivative of it by replacing all the commands with animal noises?
21:07:30 <pikhq_> Hmm. POSIX implicitly mandates 8-bit char.
21:07:39 <pikhq_> Sweet.
21:08:29 <olsner> aw, life certainly isn't easy for all those 9-bit machines
21:08:46 <elliott> ion: How did you discover my true name?
21:08:56 <nortti> olsner: or those 7bit machines
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21:09:04 <coppro> ion: is it runcible?
21:09:04 <pikhq_> (In POSIX, int8_t must exist. Therefore, there must be a type that is exactly 8 bits. All types must be positive integer multiples of char in size. char must be at least 8 bits. Therefore, POSIX char must be 8 bits.)
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21:09:14 <elliott> Okay, who upvoted me?
21:09:16 <pikhq_> nortti: char must be at least 8 bits by ISO C, so they're already screwed.
21:09:19 <elliott> The design patterns answer, I mean.
21:09:23 <elliott> One of you upvoted me.
21:09:25 <elliott> CONFESS.
21:09:45 <elliott> You should totally, like, retract that and do it after midnight so I get the rep. :p
21:13:34 <pikhq_> Oh, and apparently "char" is defined to be an octet in POSIX. Hey.
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21:14:28 <elliott> Taneb ignored my instructions.
21:14:59 <elliott> @tell Taneb Zero isn't the smallest number.
21:14:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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21:17:32 <oerjan> <elliott> Does anyone even notice me doing that any more? <-- no.
21:18:13 <oerjan> minus big Omega
21:20:38 <olsner> elliott: notice you doing what, btw?
21:21:52 <elliott> olsner: My head imploding.
21:21:56 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel once asked me if it happened often.
21:21:58 <elliott> Thereafter, it did.
21:22:55 <olsner> why do heads implode?
21:23:12 <elliott> olsner: Nobody knoes.
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21:27:03 <elliott> Maybe we should have welcomed that guy.
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21:29:23 <oerjan> nah, with that nick he was destined to be lonely
21:31:45 <elliott> What does it translate to?
21:31:58 <olsner> one self
21:32:03 <olsner> or one lonely, perhaps
21:32:43 <olsner> or maybe oneself, the pronoun
21:48:10 <oerjan> <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: HOW IS THERE A CULTURE OF MANUAL SVG MINIMISATION <-- scalable vector golf?
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22:13:34 <itidus21> svg isn't as bad as what i am trying to cook up
22:13:59 <olsner> esovector?
22:14:10 <oerjan> elliott: [[Wikipedia: ...]] still don't look like external links okthxbye
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22:15:10 <itidus21> i busy myself thinking about ways to make 2d video game coding elegant
22:15:36 <elliott> oerjan: i'm not going to make them look like completely external links...
22:15:47 <elliott> they use the same colours as external links
22:16:04 <oerjan> elliott: my main point here is that if there is a link to a wikipedia article on a subject which we _might_ want on our wiki ourselves, then it should not look visually to a casual observer like we already _have_ one.
22:16:25 <oerjan> even if there's a slight difference.
22:16:48 <elliott> oerjan: if we might want an article on a subject, an interwiki link is inappropriate...
22:16:58 <elliott> i could look into adding a "W" icon to the wikipedia interwiki links
22:20:05 <oerjan> <elliott> oerjan: if we might want an article on a subject, an interwiki link is inappropriate... <-- i don't think that will be possible to police effectively
22:21:19 <elliott> well, if a reader is reading a bad article, all bets are off as far as what impression they get :)
22:21:45 <oerjan> sorry, i really meant "casual possible editor"
22:22:00 <elliott> fair enough. like i said, <elliott> i could look into adding a "W" icon to the wikipedia interwiki links
22:22:13 <oerjan> yay
22:22:15 <elliott> but otoh I don't really consider wikipedia all that "external" to us
22:22:25 <oerjan> heh
22:22:35 <elliott> for the most part, you can view esolang as Wikipedia: esoteric languages annex
22:22:46 <elliott> except more run-down :)
22:28:40 <elliott> Easy; just construct a new Google which is like based on the old Google, except that the document exists in the new Google. Then you have avoided all side effects on Google. – Kaz 23 mins ago
22:28:40 <elliott> Hi.
22:28:53 <elliott> Did you know I can't stand the jokes people make about Haskell?
22:29:16 <elliott> oerjan: How do I stop hating people?
22:30:06 <shachaf> elliott: Why did the monad cross the road?
22:30:22 <elliott> shachaf: To sequence the impurity of the container.
22:30:25 <itidus21> im not gonna say a damn thing
22:30:37 <shachaf> elliott: Do you hate yourself?
22:31:39 <itidus21> ... i will be glad for myself later
22:31:53 <shachaf> elliott: Also, that wasn't a Haskell joke. It was a category theory joke.
22:32:26 <elliott> shachaf: Yes, and tough, I ruined it.
22:32:47 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I'm starting to regret saying that. Can you remove it from the logs?
22:33:04 <itidus21> bites my tongue
22:33:08 <shachaf> elliott: That's not how logs work.
22:33:19 <shachaf> elliott: Should've said it in... Another channel.
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22:34:25 <shachaf> zzo38: Tell me a Haskell joke.
22:34:33 <zzo38> shachaf: I don't know.
22:34:45 <itidus21> i have one but i refuse to say it
22:34:55 <shachaf> zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road?
22:35:15 <zzo38> shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
22:35:16 <elliott> to get to the other side (of the barrier)
22:35:20 <RocketJSquirrel> !glogbot_censor PRIVMSG elliott!.*
22:35:46 <zzo38> RocketJSquirrel: Hay you!
22:35:53 <itidus21> so i'll make a more playful joke
22:35:54 <shachaf> elliott: Because it was too long to around (the barrier).
22:36:04 <RocketJSquirrel> >_> <_<
22:36:43 <oerjan> <elliott> oerjan: How do I stop hating people? <-- in theory you should meditate to induce a positive worldview; I can never seem to make it work for more than a few hours though, after which I feel like shit.
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22:37:11 <elliott> You know, I think asking for life advice from oerjan is one of the worst mistakes anyone could possibly make.
22:37:27 <Taneb> Hello!
22:37:27 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
22:37:34 <Taneb> @messages
22:37:34 <lambdabot> elliott said 1h 22m 33s ago: Zero isn't the smallest number.
22:37:36 <elliott> Well... unless your supplies of pessimism are running dangerously low.
22:37:55 <Taneb> elliott, it's the smallest number suitable for this context
22:38:06 <Taneb> Well, it isn't
22:38:15 <zzo38> It depends; is it natural numbers? If so, then it will be zero isn't it?
22:38:15 <RocketJSquirrel> HOLY OH NO
22:38:16 <Taneb> But it's where I have decided to start counting
22:38:25 <RocketJSquirrel> As of GCC 4.7.0, apparently they'
22:38:29 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Did you accidentally censor all my comments?
22:38:29 <elliott> Oh.
22:38:33 <elliott> They' indeed.
22:38:41 <RocketJSquirrel> As of GCC 4.7.0, apparently they're not distributing gcc-{core,c++,etc}-version.tar.foo files
22:38:41 <itidus21> <elliott> oerjan: How do I stop hating people? << i'm certainly not oerjan which makes this even worse. however, construct a new elliott which is like based on the old elliott except the hating people doesn't exist in the new elliott
22:38:42 <RocketJSquirrel> D-8
22:38:48 <elliott> Does that matter?
22:39:16 <Taneb> Does it make your JIT dc not compile?
22:39:32 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: It just means you always have to specify --enable-languages=c
22:39:40 <RocketJSquirrel> Rather than just downloading only the core.
22:39:52 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
22:39:54 <oerjan> `addquote <shachaf> zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road? <zzo38> shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
22:39:55 <elliott> WTF?
22:39:57 <HackEgo> 829) <shachaf> zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road? <zzo38> shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
22:40:00 <elliott> That bolding went terribly wrong.
22:40:27 <shachaf> oerjan: I don't get it.
22:40:29 * elliott puts Jobs For 14 Year Olds In Memphis on the language name queue.
22:41:20 <shachaf> elliott: Do you like how REDACTED_IN_THIS_CHANNEL?
22:41:54 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: You're accidentally redacting other messages before they're even sent.
22:42:04 <oerjan> <elliott> Well... unless your supplies of pessimism are running dangerously low. <-- there was a time i thought this method _would_ work, before i realized the aftereffects don't go away with any amount of practice i have patience for.
22:42:51 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: CRAZY I KNOW
22:43:33 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: I don't get it. <-- IS FUNNY JOKE
22:43:48 <RocketJSquirrel> Also, I heard that █████████ in ████████████████████, Tennessee██████████████paringl████████████████ of another ███.
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22:44:29 <zzo38> There are things I dislike about the gloss package; one thing is in my opinion Picture should be an opaque type without Eq, rotation being counterclockwise, and other things. I do have other idea too
22:45:09 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: I heard ██████ ████d in the ████ with the ██████. Disgust███.
22:45:53 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: ███████████████.
22:46:24 <shachaf> ████ █████ ████ █ █████ ██ ████ ██ ████████ ███ ██████ ██ ████ ██ ███████████ ██ ██ elliott.
22:47:45 <itidus21> █ █████ ████ ████ ██ █ ██████ █████ ███ ██ ██ ████. █ ██ ████ █ ████████.
22:47:49 <elliott>
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22:48:35 <itidus21> i didnt say anything worth the bytes
22:49:23 <shachaf> Man, it sure is spheroidal in here today, isn't it?
22:50:21 <shachaf> elliott: See what I did there?
22:50:56 * shachaf needs to go.
22:51:00 <shachaf> Have fun!
22:51:22 <itidus21> ████, idk if you're ██ ████ neither if ███'██ ██ type, but even if █████ perfect matches, it wouldn't ██████ if you're looking for a presential █████ once █'█ in Brazil
22:51:26 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1143921272/l50 -- everyone in 2006 is a loser.
22:51:37 <elliott> I could write, like, ten BF programs that output Graham's number.
22:51:53 <elliott> What is Jafet doing in 2006?!
22:52:55 <zzo38> What is your opinion of this kind of code? conversion/"gain",#1[numeric],"life": gen_gain_life(#1)[action]; rule/gen_gain_life(#1): switch( and(greater(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),do_gain_life(#1), and(equal(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),relax(), true(),action_fail() ); rule/do_gain_life(#1): set(property.life,add(get(property.life),#1));
22:55:09 <elliott> You don't want to know.
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22:58:54 <zzo38> Does anyone in here know about these kinds of programming codes?
22:59:44 <itidus21> its obviously related to game of life
23:00:14 <itidus21> or maybe not.. maybe not
23:02:00 <oerjan> elliott: btw have you used class="plain" in any articles other than that brainfuck bitwidth conversions one?
23:02:16 <oerjan> (i'm assuming no one but us two have used it)
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23:02:56 <oerjan> it seems impossible to search for
23:03:13 <elliott> oerjan: no
23:03:21 <elliott> that and qdeql are the only uses afaik
23:03:47 <oerjan> and the ones i added yesterday :P
23:04:04 <elliott> well, yes
23:06:11 <itidus21> zzo38: it seems to take the form a0/b0: c0; a1/b1: c1; ... aN/bN: cN;
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23:07:33 <oerjan> elliott: oops, what's the syntax for having more than one class on an item?
23:08:53 <elliott> oerjan: class="a b"
23:08:59 <oerjan> ah
23:12:34 <elliott> noooo
23:12:45 <elliott> a market town in northern england is wikipedia's today's featured article
23:12:48 <elliott> and it's not even hexham!!!
23:12:59 <elliott> someone will pay dearly for this.
23:13:31 <elliott> admittedly they've... quadrice our population. what is thrice for four
23:14:57 <itidus21> zzo38: the parameter counts i see are get(a),set(a,b),switch(a,b,c,d,e,f),greater(a,b),and(a,b),has_property(a),equal(a,b),relax(),true(),action_fail(),add(a,b)
23:17:10 <zzo38> itidus21: Actually some are supposed to be varying number of parameters
23:17:24 <itidus21> switch looks like it varies
23:17:46 <itidus21> zzo38: well as if i would know .. but i am drawing attention to it
23:17:50 <itidus21> hehe
23:17:57 <itidus21> shit i hehe'd again
23:18:02 <itidus21> im so selfconcious of that now
23:19:03 * oerjan discovers it might be a good idea to set vim to use utf-8
23:20:33 <itidus21> zzo38: it is however a great distarction from my problems
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23:23:06 <oerjan> elliott: quadruple
23:23:35 <itidus21> why must great happiness be followed by great distress.... i suppose we evolved to deal with both
23:24:53 <elliott> oerjan: oh. duh.
23:29:35 <oerjan> itidus21: the same theory i mentioned above says that the first step to changing that is to stop believing it has to be true. (no, i never made that work either.)
23:29:54 <itidus21> you know whats better than utf-8? a billion dollars!
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23:30:20 <itidus21> this is only subjectively
23:30:28 <itidus21> objectively utf-8 is superior
23:31:56 <itidus21> honestly though i have not felt happier in quite a long time.. as on my birthday i got a nice new graphics card.. and have been floating on this fact like a cloud
23:32:26 <itidus21> but then i find a bill on the kitchen bench which dredges up things i forgot all about..
23:33:25 <itidus21> why god why..
23:34:25 <itidus21> someone explained to me that if i had have gone to bring the form which would have meant no paying that i would have been hit by a bus while crossing a road
23:34:53 <itidus21> so everything went better than expected
23:41:50 <zzo38> For example, and() could take any number of parameters, and switch() could take any even number of parameters.
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23:47:23 <itidus21> lol
23:47:38 <itidus21> @ a function which demands an even number of params
23:47:44 <itidus21> sorry no offence intended
23:49:03 <itidus21> its just something i havent heard of
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