00:00:19 zzo38: yes, although with x axis rightwards and y axis up, those are sort of connected; does gloss have that? 00:00:46 oerjan: I don't know, but in my opinion it should. 00:01:39 As a special case the 3-arg form with a read/write mode and the third argument being "undef": open(my $tmp, "+>", undef) or die ... opens a filehandle to an anonymous temporary file. Also using "+<" works for symmetry, but you really should consider writing something to the temporary file first. 00:02:02 API documentation doesn't make me laugh very often… 00:03:22 ha 00:03:23 ha 00:03:23 oerjan: And yes I do agree it is connected 00:03:24 ha 00:03:24 ha 00:03:26 ha, 00:03:26 ah 00:03:28 ha 00:03:36 is elliott tired again 00:03:40 falls over laughing, collapses, dies of laugh 00:03:51 remembered for laugh for years to come 00:04:03 wikipedia article categorised [[Category:Hexham laughers]] 00:04:18 elliott: it would work better if you had a webcam, i think 00:04:25 too dead to buy a webcam 00:04:28 ok 00:04:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU 00:04:59 (I also dislike the function to convert the world to picture being IO, as in my opinion only the input and world step should be IO; but that is a minor thing) 00:06:18 #esoteric poll, why don't you have a webcam? (1) i'm too dead (2) i don't like talking with sound (3) i'm too ugly (4) i'm a pathological liar 00:06:36 zzo38: that was justified on the bug tracker. 00:06:53 oerjan: webcams dont do sound oerjan 00:06:58 ((5) all of the above) 00:07:09 elliott: oh right. (6) i don't do sign language 00:07:23 elliott: I know; I did read the bug tracker. 00:10:43 And why does InWindow require a position? The computer's windowing system should set its position. 00:14:51 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:16:07 30 upvotes in one day. how. why. the answer wasn't. *that* good 00:18:18 Maybe it was good to thirty people, that may be why. 00:25:54 $subs->{"\$$_"} = eval "\$$_" for 1..9; 00:25:56 hmm 00:26:05 I still contend that this is better than the alternative without eval 00:26:10 and blame Perl for not using an array for that 00:26:33 oerjan: I have a webcam, but don't know how to use it, or if the system even has drivers for it 00:27:33 IMPLAUSIBLE, I PUT THAT AS A (4) 00:28:24 someone tell me to sleep please. thank you 00:28:35 elliott: sleep 00:28:45 no 00:29:21 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sandbox/td http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sandbox/tr why do these pages exist 00:29:29 why does timwi not know what the esolang namespace is 00:29:39 ais523: can you expurgate them :( 00:29:58 elliott: can't you? 00:30:08 technically 00:30:13 but i've done so many deletions lately, so many 00:30:24 btw, Sandbox is totally a good name for an esolang 00:30:26 infinity% the deletions i did before february in fact 00:30:41 i'm worried that if i delete too many more pages i'll become mad with power and invent the next esme 00:30:45 _____ _ _ ___ ___ _____ _____ ____ _ _____ _____ ____ _ 00:30:46 | ____| | | | |_ _/ _ \_ _|_ _| / ___|| | | ____| ____| _ \| | 00:30:46 | _| | | | | | | | | || | | |(_) \___ \| | | _| | _| | |_) | | 00:30:46 | |___| |___| |___ | | |_| || | | | _ ___) | |___| |___| |___| __/|_| 00:30:46 |_____|_____|_____|___\___/ |_| |_|(_) |____/|_____|_____|_____|_| (_) 00:30:48 and replace all links on the wiki with links to it 00:30:53 that's why you have to delete them instead 00:31:36 ais523: btw, i was thinking we might want to disable the rules in the spam-blacklist temporarily as a honeypot so we can block more spammers (leading to their later deletion) 00:32:34 interesting 00:33:37 since i'd like to do all the deletions in one go and wipe out as many of the spammers as possible 00:34:19 that would sort of require the spammers reusing old accounts predictably fast... 00:34:39 oerjan: the reason we added the rules to the blacklist is because the spammers kept reusing accounts. 00:34:43 (kept = once or twice) 00:35:14 elliott: can't you get the blacklist to log the username blocked? >:) 00:35:52 oerjan: no, spamblacklist doesn't really have any features 00:36:00 i suspect because it was designed for Wikimedia levels of traffic 00:36:10 ais523: could we set up similar rules in the abusefilter that auto-block with an override thing? 00:36:18 i worry that the code for the rule would be baroque. 00:36:35 I guess so 00:36:39 but I'm too tired to write them right now 00:36:41 maybe next week 00:37:06 ais523: oh, I'll have a go at writing them tomorrow if it's feasible 00:39:16 oerjan: rule 1. im gonig to sleep now 00:39:24 rule 2. fuck anteaters 00:39:29 rule 3. the first person to say ais523 wins 00:39:34 rule 4. rule 5. hi 00:39:40 ais523? 00:39:46 it's my name, so you pinged me 00:39:52 you win!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:39:54 not sure if I was the first person ever to say it, though 00:39:55 your prize is oblivion 00:40:00 that's not much of a prize 00:40:09 indeed 00:40:15 buddhists consider it the _best_ prize 00:40:38 buddhists "real fans of the elder scrolls" 00:40:46 @time whats the time 00:40:50 @time!!! 00:40:51 Unknown command, try @list 00:40:51 @time 00:40:52 Local time for elliott is Wed Mar 28 01:40:55 00:40:57 oops 00:41:17 ais523: i forget how time works, is it really later than 01:40 or really earlier 00:41:26 @AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa 00:41:26 Unknown command, try @list 00:41:27 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:41:27 the clocks changed to be wrong but i forget how 00:41:29 really earlier 00:41:36 yay, i am absolved of guilt 00:42:08 anyway, wake me up if anything interesting happens 00:42:22 * oerjan wave 00:44:07 Don't you know that the solar time is the hour angle of the sun in the opposite direction through the Earth? 00:44:32 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:46:56 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:47:54 it was quiet. too quiet. 00:49:59 * oerjan thinks Special:Random suspiciously often hits articles he's recently edited already 00:50:41 oerjan: I think there are suspiciously fewer pages on the wiki than you intuit. 00:50:43 with 1034 articles, i don't think the birthday paradox should apply _this_ often... 00:51:21 > sqrt 365 00:51:22 19.1049731745428 00:51:27 hm... 00:51:50 oh hm it does get cumulative, i guess 00:52:57 but i just hit http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download, one of our (maybe _the_) newest articles 00:55:15 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 01:02:34 -!- augur has joined. 01:24:00 i think some here may find this interesting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-GNU-C-Library-Steering-Committee-disbands-1484707.html 01:25:09 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:25:42 "Ulrich Drepper, who, according to the glibc web site, has had "overall responsibility for maintenance and development" of the project up until now, is absent from this list." 02:01:36 A few minutes ago I was playing a pinball game. I lost eight balls quickly, but then got an extra ball and was able to score more points. (There is normally nine balls per game, in this table) 02:09:35 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 02:15:16 I thought you didn’t like using balls in a pinball game, but instead remove the glass panel and trigger the sensors by hand. 02:17:41 ion: What is the game if there are no balls? Then it is not a pinball game. But I do play tables that lack flippers. 02:19:50 According to Jack Chick, the "IHS" on Catholic communion wafers stands for the Egyptian trinity Isis, Horus, and Seb; Roman Catholics worship multiple Jesuses; record companies that sell rock music put a curse on every record before it is sold; gluons do not exist; science and everything else is just another kind of religion; and vampires can be born and then not eat or drink for ten years. 02:36:32 i'm amused that some religious fundamentalists (e.g. conservapedia) are strongly pro-quantum and anti-relativity 02:36:53 because relativity == moral relativism, plus einstein was an atheist jew 02:37:06 whereas quantum indeterminism proves that the will of god is active in the world today 03:04:47 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:29:38 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 03:39:21 -!- myndzi\ has changed nick to myndzi. 03:59:54 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:07:40 And it's only some HTML5 videos crashing me. 04:07:41 Lovely. 04:13:50 -!- Jafet has joined. 04:22:55 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:30:01 Why do they judge a theory by the religion of who invented it? I suppose some people may say quantum indeterminism *suggests* that the will of God active in the world today (but you still have to be careful that it matches the mathematics, and regardless this is now philosophy and not science); it certainly does not *prove* it (at least in my opinion). 04:30:47 kmc: Also see that much of Jack Chick's things are even more illogical than the things you are mentioning 04:32:05 He even gets things wrong such as what side of the room something will be on. 04:35:57 zzo38, o.O 04:36:22 Although, as a kid, I thought maybe God acted via quantum indeterminism, since I couldn't see any other mechanism for God to act. 04:36:24 sigh, some versions of clang don't die on unrecognized flags, even with -Werror 04:37:58 Sgeo_: I think that is a valid philosophy, but it isn't science to say God acted via this or that or whatever. Nor does it necessarily mean it is true. 05:04:55 -!- Jafet1 has joined. 05:06:19 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:09:26 -!- NihilistDandy has quit. 05:09:35 Please complain about this. 05:09:48 And then stop complaining about this. 05:09:55 And then continue to complain about this. 05:11:24 -!- itidus21 has joined. 05:13:15 OK, which one do you want, please? 05:15:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 05:54:29 -!- Jafet1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:25:50 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:35:17 -!- tzxn3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:06:41 -!- tzxn3 has joined. 07:09:58 -!- tzxn3 has quit (Client Quit). 07:30:42 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:33:19 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 08:05:05 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:05:05 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 08:05:05 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:07:42 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:26:30 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:40:15 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:41:41 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 08:44:26 -!- derdon has joined. 08:55:22 -!- tzxn3 has joined. 09:28:08 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:31:44 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 10:06:21 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:20:31 -!- cheater has joined. 10:24:19 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 10:41:58 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:42:50 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:13:47 -!- Jafet has joined. 11:18:21 -!- elliott has joined. 11:51:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:25:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:40:09 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 12:53:00 I really wish they'd kick people in #haskell who get two clear directions to stop and read a tutorial and ignore them. 12:58:09 [[ 12:58:10 v 12:58:10 Hugs doesn't implement the restriction stated in the report (section 4.3.1) that the type of member functions may only add constraints to the type variables which are local to the member. Thus Hugs accepts this program without reporting an error: 12:58:11 module M where 12:58:11 class C a where f :: Eq a => a 12:58:12 12:58:14 ]] 12:58:16 what a weird-ass restriction 13:09:47 -!- MDude has joined. 13:14:27 -!- augur has joined. 13:22:09 The GNU C Library Steering Committee disbands (h-online.com) 13:22:10 woah 13:22:24 [[McGrath, who is the initial founder of the project, will be leading the development of the project together with Joseph Myers and Carlos O'Donell. Ulrich Drepper, who, according to the glibc web site, has had "overall responsibility for maintenance and development" of the project up until now, is absent from this list. In his email, McGrath thanks both Drepper and Jakub Jelinek, a member of the disbanded committee, for their years of work on th 13:22:24 e project but, like Jelinek, other former members of the Steering Committee are not part of the new governance group. 13:22:24 ]] 13:22:26 woah!!!!! 13:22:29 RocketJSquirrel: pikhq: woah!!! 13:23:18 elliott: Hello cap'n last-to-get-the-news 13:23:35 WOAH!!!!! 13:23:57 drepper must be pissed 13:24:08 He's off the list :) 13:24:43 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rgrx5/the_gnu_c_library_steering_committee_disbands/c45q12q?context=2 13:30:30 -!- delicado has joined. 13:30:48 so this is brainfuck channel? 13:31:31 yes 13:31:33 `welcome delicado 13:31:37 and also other esoteric programming languages, too 13:31:38 It is when it needs to be. 13:31:41 delicado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 13:32:42 thanks. 14:23:43 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 14:24:21 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 14:27:11 -!- derdon has joined. 14:42:52 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:23:12 -!- delicado has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:44:07 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:53:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:53:31 -!- augur has joined. 15:54:11 -!- GhostHand has joined. 15:54:31 i am coming 15:54:49 hi 15:55:00 hi 15:55:16 -!- cheater has joined. 15:55:30 GhostHand, yaaaaay, #esoteric school trip! 15:55:30 Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 15:55:53 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:57:04 Today and a beauty to sing 15:57:30 and have a good time 15:57:56 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:58:18 She is good at singing in the shower 16:01:11 Waitwaitwait, Bulwer-Lytton came up with the phrases "the pen is mightier than the sword" and "the unwashed masses". 16:05:58 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:06:04 Hello! 16:07:39 -!- GhostHand has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:10:14 Can anyone recommend a text-based OS? I've got a computer without a working mouse, and I want it to be usefuk 16:10:23 s/fuk/ful/ 16:10:33 text-based =/= mouse-free 16:10:33 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:10:46 just install linux and put a tiling WM on, plus vimperator or conkeror or whatever 16:10:47 no mouse required 16:11:30 OK, what distro? 16:11:38 The computer's over 10 years old, btw 16:12:53 I Debian or Arch. 16:12:56 Also, elliott, re: Talk:Categorization, I have in the past wanted to browse languages by there interactiveness 16:12:58 s/^I // 16:13:12 Taneb: Yes, but you're weird. 16:13:25 Yeah, but so are you 16:13:51 Other than that, this channel's mostly normal 16:13:53 OH SNAP 16:14:19 (this when I was looking for languages to make an IRC bot in) 16:15:17 OK, this computer doesn't meet the requirements for Arch 16:15:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robespierre 16:15:34 Wikipedia. 16:15:36 I love the first part. 16:15:56 "As a member of the Estates-General, of the Constituent Assembly and of the Jacobin Club, he defended the abolition of slavery and of the death penalty, he supported equality of rights, universal suffrage and the establishment of a republic. He opposed war with Austria and the possibility of a coup by La Fayette. As a member of the Committee of Public Safety, he was instrumental in the period of the Revolution commonly k 16:15:56 nown as the Reign of Terror, which ended a few months after his arrest and execution in July 1794." 16:16:04 Taneb: The requirements are kind of irrelevant, but here: 16:16:17 Taneb: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso 16:16:20 Brun this onto a seedy. 16:16:53 Phantom_Hoover: "His supporters called him "The Incorruptible", while his adversaries called him dictateur sanguinaire (bloodthirsty dictator)." 16:18:13 elliott: microcosm can now launch its own native GCC on multiple OSes. 16:18:25 (Launch and run successfully X-D ) 16:21:27 RocketJSquirrel: I thought microcosm was dead. 16:21:40 So did IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 16:21:45 musl accidentally revived it. 16:23:41 elliott, this computer doesn't have internet connection, is that okay? 16:25:13 I think that any definition of "useful" that allows computers without Internet connections needs careful reconsideration. 16:26:09 Actually... 16:26:11 Hmm 16:26:26 If in this ISO there is the drivers for the wifi thingy I am using... 16:29:27 -!- augur has joined. 16:29:28 -!- Jafet has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:30:55 Okay, I have no idea how to boot from CD 16:31:26 -!- Jafet has joined. 16:33:11 So... I'm on the setup menu (before the Windows 98 flag shows) 16:33:59 The sections are: Standard CMOS setup; BIOS features setup; chipset features setup; power management setup; pnp/pci configuration 16:34:13 Load BIOS defaults; load setup defaults; integrated peripherals 16:34:28 Supervisor password; user password; IDE HDD auto detection; 16:34:36 elliott, this computer doesn't have internet connection, is that okay? 16:34:39 No. 16:34:43 save & exit setup; exit without saving 16:34:58 And it'll be BIOS features perhaps. 16:35:01 Or Standard CMOS. 16:35:06 You'll find something about boot order. 16:35:07 Or... 16:35:16 It could be that the computer is so old it can't boot from CD. 16:35:23 If that's the case, it'll still be possible, just a little trickier. 16:36:43 Virus warning; CPU internal cache; external cache; CPU write allocate; quick power on self test; boot sequence; vga boot from; swap floppy drive; 16:36:43 boot up floppy seek; boot up numlock status; boot up system speed 16:36:43 gate a20 option; security option 16:36:54 PCI/VGA palette snoop 16:37:04 OS Select for DRAM > 64MB 16:37:13 HDD S.M.A.R.T. capability 16:37:22 Report no FDD for Win 95 16:37:26 Video BIOS Shaddow 16:37:37 And a whole bunch of other shadows 16:37:57 (And I'm pretty sure it can boot from CD, otherwise the Windows 98 SE CD we have somewhere would be useless 16:40:19 Boot sequence 16:40:36 And no, that came with a floppy to boot it, IIRC, although maybe I'm wrong 16:46:22 I've definitely got a CD 16:46:27 And Windows fla 16:46:28 g 16:46:29 Damn 16:46:33 Thought I had it 16:48:13 wat 16:49:25 In the Boot Sequence menu, I set it to "CDROM, A, C" 16:49:29 Booted from C 16:50:51 how did you burn the debian cdrom 16:50:58 On Ubuntu 16:51:05 Using the thing that popped up 16:51:30 Onto the CD that had less than 650 MB memory 16:52:45 Less than what? 16:52:48 "Memory"? 16:53:13 They're 650 MB CDs 17:06:11 -!- oklopol has joined. 17:13:35 -!- MoALTz has joined. 17:13:52 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 17:40:39 -!- nortti has joined. 17:42:05 ugh. TenFourFox started to hang on startup and grind my system to halt 17:45:36 Why does XFCE make it so hard to change the clock? 17:46:23 Oh for� I have to use date to get it to acknowledge BST? 17:46:36 What? 17:50:15 People manually set clocks? 17:50:36 not people, but apparently phantom hoovers do 17:53:36 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:55:19 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:56:00 hi oerjan 17:56:04 hi elliott 17:56:08 -!- nortti has joined. 17:58:44 People manually set clocks? 17:58:58 When they inexplicably don't automatically set the hour forward or back, then yes. 18:00:04 Phantom_Hoover: Have fun with that if you're running ntp 18:00:22 I DON'T WANT A TURING-COMPLETE DEVICE ON MY ARM *ignores cell phone and babbles incoherently. wait, my cell phone also doesn't change automatically...* 18:00:31 Shouldn't it have done that automatically, then? 18:01:06 oerjan: it's also not turing complete 18:01:20 elliott: oerjan's phone has an infinite tape attached. 18:01:28 elliott: WHO KNOWS IT MIGHT BE CONNECTED TO AN INFINITE MEMORY RUN BY THE CIA 18:01:31 (People keep stumbling over it.) 18:02:13 elliott: also, incoherently babbling people don't know such details. 18:04:46 if my phone had an infinite tape for TC-ness, it would have to move along it, because lightspeed prevents the tape from moving fast enough without getting cluttered because it won't know _which_ way to move because halting problem and lightspeed. 18:05:33 (by cluttered i mean collapsing into a black hole, probably around my phone) 18:06:21 thank you oerjan. that was *almost* science 18:06:28 yw 18:08:20 WHY DO PEOPLE COME INTO #HASKELL ASKING ABOUT WHAT MONADS ARE 18:08:22 REFUSE TO LEARN ANY HASKELL 18:08:24 AND STILL EXPECT HELP 18:08:33 FUCK YOU! THIS IS #HASKELL! 18:08:33 hi 18:08:36 or wait, does lightspeed and relativity mean it _could_ move fast enough because length contraction 18:08:49 probably not 18:09:00 oerjan: you're a #haskell op right 18:09:04 please join and ban everyone 18:09:18 but really, the whole tape isn't moving just because you pull on it on one end 18:09:41 olsner: i'd be assuming it had some kind of propulsion 18:10:12 Tug-of-war at the two ends of the infinite tape. 18:10:56 the propulsion would travel at the speed of sound 18:11:03 so basically not at all 18:11:33 * oerjan isn't sure oklopol knows what propulsion is. 18:11:34 but if the tape can, say, stretch twice as long everywhere, does it necessarily snap if you make the tm move really slow? 18:11:43 oh 18:12:12 i just assumed you just used some random word for the obvious physical way you would implement this 18:12:30 no no. tape with ion engines, that's the ticket. 18:12:48 (that's how _i_ usually implement infinite tapes at least.) 18:12:52 Let's that have the phone move along the tape, I'm sure oerjan won't have any reservations about going where the computation goes. 18:13:31 the earth is actually a speck of dust on a gigantic infinite tape 18:13:35 moving along with a cell phone 18:13:39 and a gigantic oerjan carrying it 18:13:53 PLAUSIBLE 18:18:53 * ion engines 18:24:24 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:26:33 Hello 18:27:07 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:27:42 My phone is merely linear bounded :( 18:33:56 i used to have a phone bound to a line, too 18:37:08 -!- cheater has joined. 18:38:18 Other than that, this channel's mostly normal <-- VILE SLANDER 18:40:18 Phantom Hoover is the only person in Edinburgh I know, so I'm using him as a standard Edinburger 18:40:26 ok 18:40:31 Also, all the Finns I've ever encountered are on this channel 18:40:39 So I assume they're normal Finns 18:40:48 Same with Swedes and Norwegians, come to thing of it 18:41:55 And IRC bots 18:42:05 fungot, you're a normal fungot, right? 18:42:05 Taneb: mr president, thank you for your understanding. 18:42:19 No, thank you, fungot. 18:42:20 Taneb: mr president, my dear friends, let us take it at its word... ( the president cut the speaker off) 18:42:29 ^style 18:42:29 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 18:42:37 off with his head 18:42:47 ^style discworld 18:42:47 Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) 18:42:56 fungot, now you're normal, right? 18:42:57 Taneb: " just as well take his chances with a fnord carrying off a vasung woman a few hundred feet below she saw a patch of empty air. there wasn't much of a mess of beans cooking,' he said. 18:43:12 See, oerjan, perfectly normal 18:43:18 right. 18:49:48 ^style speeches 18:49:48 Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) 18:49:49 fizzie: Is this NEW? 18:49:52 fizzie: SPEECH. 18:49:53 Er. 18:49:55 fungot: SPEECH. 18:49:58 elliott: the first question, suddenly disappeared; and the question of the right honourable gentleman the secretary of state for india. in this manner with his connections, he is perfectly logical if there is a shout, among the greeks, in romance. froissart was our herodotus. italy was to europe what athens was to greece. in italy, and the uses of the influences of heaven itself are in that country. his words are fnord king or 18:50:05 No, it's not new. It's not very good either. 18:50:12 ^style qwantz 18:50:12 Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) 18:50:15 fungot: Haps my friends. 18:50:15 elliott: i i guess what, dromiceiomimus? i don't see a punchline, and that of all the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the sha 18:50:19 I like the "(the president cut the speaker off)" bit. 18:52:40 Another: REPEATER. 18:54:18 fizzie: What's the best UK ISP??? 18:59:33 Uh... Andrews & Arnold? 18:59:52 ""Andrews & Arnold Ltd (also known as AAISP) is an Internet service provider based in Bracknell in the United Kingdom founded in 1997 and launched in 1998[1], primarily serving businesses and "technical" home users.[2] 18:59:56 In 2009 the company was judged the best niche provider in the Thinkbroadband Customer Service Awards, based on customer ratings.[3] 19:00:00 The company's owner, RevK, stated in a blog post that as of October 2010 the company is "XKCD/806" compliant, referring to XKCD comic number 806. This means that technical support callers who say the code word "shibboleet" will be transferred to a technical support representative who knows at least two programming languages, and presumably can offer more useful advice than a standard tech support script.[4][5]" 19:00:17 (I just picked the one not-completely-commercial sounding ISP that was mentioned on the UK paragraph of the IPv6 page.) 19:00:28 Where "commercial" == "for companies" in the above. 19:00:49 fizzie: Those are one of the ones I'm considering, yes. 19:00:54 (Also the only IPv6 one I'm considering.) 19:01:13 I don't know anything about UK ISPs, so... 19:01:18 No, but you're Finnish. 19:02:16 Their usage-based pricing scheme seems slightly complicated to me. 19:03:52 A bit, yes. 19:04:07 so, can cabal-install still only build packages using one cpu? 19:04:27 itt: the turing-complete pricing scheme 19:05:19 (FWIW, the other ISPs I'm considering are Zen, Xilo, and if I'm feeling ~sellout~ Sky and O2 (both of which seem to be the least bad "commercialised" providers; Sky is cheap (7.50 pounds/mo) since we already have TV with them, and neither shapes or throttles torrent traffic).) 19:05:30 (This will help fizzie advise me, as he is an expert on UK ISPs.) 19:07:14 -!- SchrodingersCat has joined. 19:07:20 http://stackoverflow.com/a/7872263/176315 suggests it is actually on its way somewhere, in some form 19:07:25 hi 19:07:33 olsner: there's a patch 19:07:34 hi SchrodingersCat 19:07:35 olsner: it's not merged yt 19:07:37 yet 19:08:03 Incidentally, we had a building-management-company (I don't know the proper term; the "corporation" made out from people owning apartments in this building, that negotiates things like maintenance and utilities and whatever) meeting today, turns out the one ISP which asked whether they could FTTB the building, and got permission, actually never bothered. On the other hand, the other ISP (our current) who actually did fiber us up apparently didn't bother t 19:08:09 In C, is (X==X++) true? 19:08:22 SchrodingersCat: it's undefined behavior. 19:08:33 how so? 19:08:51 I just realized my other computer (this one) had a woefully out-of-date haskell setup that required a bunch of annoying upgrades and cabal building, would've been almost instant if it could use more than one cpu 19:08:57 SchrodingersCat: Because: "Between the previous and next sequence point an object shall have its stored value modified at most once by the evaluation of an expression. Furthermore, the prior value shall be accessed only to determine the value to be stored." 19:09:52 == is equality, not store 19:09:59 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 19:10:03 ++ is a store. 19:10:07 The left side is an access that is not used to determine the value to be stored. 19:11:06 fizzie: "didn't bother t" 19:11:09 (T=X,T==X++) with a suitably typed T is defined and likely to be true, though I suppose maybe not if X isnan. 19:11:15 what about (X=(X++)) ? 19:11:21 undefined behaviour 19:11:22 elliott: Didn't bother to actually tell the company-doing-the-technical-maintenance-stuff-for-us that they were going to. 19:11:24 (i.e. invalid program) 19:11:41 SchrodingersCat: x=x++ is almost the most canonical example of undefined behaviour due to the sequence point rule. 19:11:48 fizzie: The problem with tech-savvy ISPs is that they're scary. 19:11:55 fizzie: It's much easier to talk to someone incompetent, you know? 19:12:36 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:13:06 elliott: "monple" sounds pretty good. 19:13:09 Or maybe "mople". 19:13:10 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:14:24 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 19:17:12 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:17:30 -!- SchrodingersCat has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:17:34 "3.3: I've experimented with the code int i = 3; i = i++; on several compilers. Some gave i the value 3, and some gave 4. Which compiler is correct?" "A: There is no correct answer; the expression is undefined. See questions 3.1, 3.8, 3.9, and 11.33." 19:17:39 Too late. :/ 19:19:17 -!- nortti has joined. 19:20:06 fizzie: Which is best: AAISP, Zen, or Xilo? 19:22:35 They all have their pros and cons. Xilo sounds like a Linux bootloader the most, but it also has some vaguely scientologey Xenu connotations. Zen is just one letter from "zem", but it's *also* not far from Xenu. Finally, AAISP turns all your website graphics into ascii art using AAlib. 19:24:51 Thank you. 19:24:54 stay away from AIISP, it's trying to take over the world. 19:25:08 fizzie: What about Sky? How does THAT fit into the picture? 19:25:14 N.B. appending "net" will be boring. 19:25:53 don't use those, they tend to terminate you at the slightest provocation. 19:28:09 what are those? Quick googling did't reveal anything worth a value 19:28:17 nortti: UK ISPs. 19:28:30 I'm, how do the kids call it: "switching". 19:28:54 elliott: Sky is Blue. 19:29:07 fizzie: Thanks. That's the most helpful yet. 19:29:43 fizzie++ 19:29:45 It's like being Red, except about a 120 degrees to the left. 19:29:54 Next time I need to make a decision, I'll possibly ask fizzie about it. 19:30:03 RocketJSquirrel: Does Google run JS? 19:30:04 Thx 19:30:35 Wait why does elliott even control his household broadband,. 19:31:04 Phantom_Hoover: you don't _really_ think a 16 year old can be that smart, do you? 19:31:22 I WASN'T THAT SMART AT MY AGE 19:31:22 Wait, elliott is 16? 19:31:33 *THAT AGE 19:31:37 fizzie: You... forgot? 19:31:57 elliott's been saying that he's 16 for several years now, fizzie. How could you forget? 19:32:05 obviously he's really 34. 19:32:21 And oerjan is a teenager. 19:32:25 Phantom_Hoover: It's quite easy to control the broadband supplier if you have a monopoly on tech support. 19:32:27 No, I just mean, last time I recall it being discussed, a while ago, it was something like one. Or maybe minus one. Anyway, less than that. 19:32:36