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00:03:13 <shachaf> Attention #esoteric , here are words said to me in /notice to avoid being logged:
00:03:18 <shachaf> -elliott- I do enjoy eating babies!
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00:05:04 <RocketJSquirrel> *tsk tsk*
00:05:11 <RocketJSquirrel> I've heard that's frowned upon some places.
00:05:26 <RocketJSquirrel> And I just typed "fround" and had to stare at it for quite a while to realize why it was marked as misspelled.
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00:09:22 <shachaf> elliott: Why do you recommend LYAH so over-the-topfully?
00:09:57 <elliott> Because the alternative is
00:09:57 <elliott> <lifestream> Hey vlad2048, check out the lessons I'm going through now, it has homework too! http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~cis194/lectures.html
00:10:11 <elliott> from people who don't know what they're doing.
00:11:38 <shachaf> Fair enough.
00:11:46 <shachaf> elliott: Are you going to write that other Haskell book?
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00:14:06 <elliott> Probably not.
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00:44:18 <zzo38> What other Haskell book?
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01:04:38 <shachaf> zzo38: The one elliott was (apparently not) going to write.
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01:53:55 <shachaf> elliott: bachaf
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02:20:04 <zzo38> Some list operations already have polymorphic versions, such as fmap for map, join for concat, (>>=) for concatMap, etc. filter can be generalized to any MonadPlus, sequence to any Applicative, iterate and replicate and so on to any Alternative, and possibly intersperse to any MonadLogic.
02:22:53 <elliott> how can you write filter for any MonadPlus
02:23:34 <elliott> @time
02:23:35 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:23:36
02:23:59 <zzo38> filter f = (>>= \x -> bool mzero (return x) (f x));
02:25:33 <elliott> Oh, clever.
02:26:11 <elliott> sequence can be generalised to more than Applicative.
02:26:24 <elliott> Data.Traversable.sequenceA generalises the [] to any Traversable and the Monad to any Applicative.
02:26:46 <zzo38> OK
02:30:50 <zzo38> iterate f x = pure x <|> iterate f (f x);
02:32:31 <elliott> iterate f = liftA2 (<|>) pure (iterate f . f)
02:32:37 <elliott> iterate f = (| pure <|> iterate f . f |)
02:33:35 <zzo38> O, yes, that is it, too.
02:35:36 <elliott> @time
02:35:37 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:35:37
02:35:40 <elliott> sigh
02:35:44 <elliott> why isn't time going backwards
02:36:11 <zzo38> Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
02:36:59 <elliott> ah
02:44:07 <zzo38> What did you think it is?
02:47:48 <zzo38> Why did some German words change spelling when hyphenated before 1998?
02:48:12 <elliott> ah
02:50:36 <elliott> @time
02:50:38 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:50:38
02:50:44 <elliott> whoa we skipped a ten minute
02:50:45 <elliott> s
02:56:53 <elliott> > ord 'A'
02:56:54 <lambdabot> 65
03:28:42 <elliott> @time
03:28:43 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 04:28:43
03:28:45 <elliott> im not going to liek the answer to this
03:28:46 <elliott> *like
03:28:47 <elliott> i didn't
03:28:48 <elliott> ok goodnight
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03:38:49 <quintopia> `addquote <elliott> why isn't time going backwards <zzo38> Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
03:38:52 <HackEgo> 833) <elliott> why isn't time going backwards <zzo38> Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
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04:55:23 <pikhq_> http://i.imgur.com/Xt0DB.png Did someone say "do not put the baby"?
04:56:31 <zzo38> Do not put the baby. Put something else
04:58:14 <Sgeo_> What is a fetal scalp electrode, and why would it have a plug that could fit into an AC mains socket?
04:59:22 <pikhq_> I know not.
05:02:16 <fizzie> Also one has to wonder whether it's a speculative or a reactive kind of warning.
05:08:42 <zzo38> Why is the wire different in the left picture and the right picture?
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05:15:13 <quintopia> zzo38: a fetal scalp electrode appears to, according to that diagram, measure electrical field generated by the fetal brain. it says nothing about a mains plug, only wires, so I would guess it does not have one.
05:16:40 <quintopia> zzo38: a google search says the scalp electrode is used to measure the fetus's heartbeat during delivery
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05:52:09 <fizzie> According to this one medical supplies product listing page, some are "bare wire" and some bave some sort of "Qwik Connect" plugs.
05:52:27 <fizzie> That do not look very mains-compatible, though.
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05:53:24 <fizzie> A bare wire model you could presumably manage to plug into a mains socket, if for some reason you felt that was a particularly good idea.
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06:04:36 <zzo38> What is your opinions about scientifically-based philosophy?
06:07:06 <zzo38> Do you think computer science is mathematics and not science?
06:08:02 <pikhq> Well, of course CS is math, not science, except in the archaic sense where science = "field of study".
06:08:41 <pikhq> "Science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism. And of course, that's not what CS does.
06:09:00 <zzo38> I agree with you; "science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism.
06:09:01 <pikhq> All about the formalisms and arguing from axioms.
06:09:16 <pikhq> i.e. math
06:12:02 <pikhq> And of course one should have scientifically-based philosophy. Why make your philosophical discussions be based on intentionally *not* looking deeply at the world around us, as per the ancient Greeks?
06:14:14 <pikhq> Down that road leads philosophy indistinguishable from randomly generated syntactically valid statements.
06:16:57 <zzo38> Probably the reason to be not scientifically-based is there isn't any science for it to be based. But of course philosophy can be scientifically-based in generally good things too. (However, one example of scientifically-based philosophy what I mean, is such as quantum immortality and so on; but there are other examples)
06:18:23 <pikhq> Consider such things as dualism. Near as I can tell, dualism comes out to being semantically void, or contradicting scientific knowledge.
06:18:35 <pikhq> And yet, it's still quite discussed.
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06:22:41 <zzo38> Yes that is one thing which is non-scientifically-based philosophy. However, I do not consider it to contradict scientific knowledge; but scientific knowledge cannot support it either. Many of the forms of dualism do contradict science, however.
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06:25:29 <zzo38> But nevertheless, it might occasionally want to discuss philosophy which contradicts science anyways.
06:26:35 <zzo38> Although, of course, not all philosophy contradict science; philosophy can be scientifically-based!
06:28:35 <oerjan> if your philosophy is kuhning enough
06:43:23 <quintopia> zzo38: i frequently write computer programs for the purpose of performing numerical experiments
06:43:49 <quintopia> zzo38: sometimes the experiment is done with the goal of determining the properties of some algorithm
06:43:59 <quintopia> thus, it is empirical computer science
06:44:22 <zzo38> quintopia: Yes I sometimes do too; but sometimes I will do it partially or entirely on paper as well.
06:45:08 <quintopia> zzo38: yes i do that also. more often, though, the problem is too large or hard to do on paper.
06:48:05 <zzo38> Yes, true, if often is. But sometimes I do partially by paper and partially by computer.
06:53:11 <oerjan> > printf "%.0f, %.0f\n" 48.5 49.5 :: String
06:53:12 <lambdabot> "49, 50\n"
06:53:19 <quintopia> zzo38: ever write any serious problem-solving algorithms/
06:53:40 <oerjan> > round 48.5
06:53:41 <Sgeo_> monqy, reminder that my UPDATES are unreliable. There were several updates today.
06:53:41 <lambdabot> 48
06:53:46 <oerjan> > round 49.5
06:53:47 <lambdabot> 50
06:53:48 <monqy> Sgeo_: hi
07:02:27 <zzo38> I have written things that solve a game backwards
07:03:53 <zzo38> Daylight saving time is stupid; I think a better system would be to combine standard hours with local Italian hours
07:04:33 <zzo38> (I will use LIH to indicate local Italian hours; so sunset is at 01:00LIH)
07:13:48 <zzo38> Which house system corresponds to the unequal hours on an astronomical clock? Do any of them correspond?
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07:46:30 <oklopol> "<pikhq> "Science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism. And of course, that's not what CS does." let me give you an example of an article that my colleague is refereeing: we enumerate all CA with property X up to 4 states and radius 2. here's the table.
07:48:12 <oklopol> oh and "we disprove a conjecture by Y"
07:48:39 <oklopol> (a wild counterexample appeared during search)
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07:58:18 <oklofok> i had this awesome research idea
07:58:33 <oklofok> which would revolutionize the world
07:58:36 <oklofok> what if i
07:58:50 <oklofok> enumerated all CA with property X up to 5 states and radius 2??
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11:28:41 <Phantom_Hoover> My Linux partition won't boot properly for some reason.
11:28:41 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
11:32:33 <Phantom_Hoover> Yessssss, another recruit for my War on Tau.
11:33:54 <RocketJSquirrel> "Debian shares the OSI's desire to encourage Free Software." lolwut
11:37:58 <nortti> what is so lolwut about that?
11:38:33 <RocketJSquirrel> Because the OSI's primary desire is to crush the use of the term "Free Software"
11:39:52 <nortti> Why cant everyone just use free/open source software
11:39:53 <Phantom_Hoover> Yeah, but they both want to encourage it.
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13:45:15 <Phantom_Hoover> There are 19 users on Steam called Zakalwe.
13:45:19 <Phantom_Hoover> ORIGINAL
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14:28:14 <RocketJSquirrel> "I did buy his [Ryan North's] book though. Not the comics, the Machine of Death." "What about the Adventure Time comics?" "I do like Adventure Time." "With Ryan North plus Adventure Time, how could you go wrong? ... this coming from a guy dressed as a character from My Little Pony."
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14:50:50 <elliott> "However, this language has been stuck on "Work In Progress" for four years before NSQX thought that it has been a "Work In Progress" for too long and rewrote this page."
14:51:30 <nortti> what language?
14:51:47 <elliott> Oh god.
14:51:48 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: ping
14:51:50 <elliott> fizzie: ping
14:51:53 <elliott> ANYONE RESPONSIBLE: ping
14:52:12 <nortti> ?
14:52:34 <elliott> You're not responsible!
14:52:37 <elliott> Well, maybe you are.
14:52:41 <elliott> But fizzie is like ten times more responsible.
14:53:12 <nortti> I don't know what you are talking about
14:53:42 <elliott> Indeed.
14:58:37 <elliott> pikhq_: Is ANYONE awake???
14:58:40 <elliott> Sgeo_: You???
14:58:41 <elliott> zzo38: Even YOU???
15:00:57 <RocketJSquirrel> elliott: ???
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15:08:58 <elliott> fizzie: Come ooon, wake up.
15:09:43 <RocketJSquirrel> <-- not good with ethics
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15:28:02 <Taneb> Hello!
15:29:10 <elliott> Taneb: How RESPONSIBLE are you?
15:29:19 <Taneb> DEPENDS
15:29:25 <Taneb> On the dance floor, not very
15:29:32 <Taneb> I "dance", then fall asleep
15:29:35 <Taneb> Then "dance" again
15:29:44 <Taneb> And end up with pictures with 84 likes on Facebook
15:30:02 <Taneb> With things that actually matter, I tend to procrastinate
15:30:11 <Taneb> But other than that, I'm perfectly responsible
15:32:43 <Taneb> s/84/95/
15:33:19 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NSQX#Temporary_block There.
15:35:45 <Taneb> I've just realised...
15:36:00 <Taneb> PietBot and lambdabot can together form an infinite loop
15:36:21 <elliott> Botloop time!
15:36:48 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NSQX#Temporary_block UPDATE'D
15:36:51 <Taneb> Luckily, PietBot breaks after posting anything
15:37:28 <Taneb> Actually...
15:37:41 <Taneb> No, they can't...
15:37:48 <Taneb> Maybe PietBot and Fungot?
15:40:00 <Taneb> fungot
15:40:01 <fungot> Taneb: like, say, a big meteor strikes!
15:40:46 <Taneb> A meteor falls, like, everyone, say, dies
15:41:12 <elliott> fungot
15:41:12 <fungot> elliott: the one that symbolizes our family: each saves a million right? i don't see that here.
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15:45:30 <Taneb> Now to think...
15:45:38 <Taneb> Do I have any crap that needs to be backed up?
15:46:22 <Taneb> It seems the answer's no
15:47:43 <elliott> @tell ais523 Please check your MemoServ messages with /msg MemoServ read new, thanks!
15:47:43 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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15:57:06 <elliott> `welcome alvur
15:57:15 <HackEgo> alvur: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
15:57:39 <alvur> Jesus is Lord!
15:57:53 <alvur> you are heretics!
15:58:26 <Taneb> How did you reach that second conclusion?
16:00:12 <nortti> alvur: I am atheist
16:00:59 <alvur> nortti, did you read Holy Bible?
16:01:08 <elliott> alvur: hi
16:01:10 <elliott> i'm jesus
16:01:12 <elliott> but also
16:01:15 <elliott> `? esoteric
16:01:18 <HackEgo> This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
16:01:19 <elliott> this channel isn't about esoterica
16:01:23 <elliott> so
16:01:23 <elliott> lol
16:01:25 <elliott> @ u
16:01:44 <elliott> http://ironfist.at.tut.by/ wow what fucking irc client are you using
16:02:23 <nortti> alvur: Yes, I did. In fact iright after that I became atheist
16:02:53 <elliott> alvur: I'm an atheist too. I didn't read the bible though.
16:02:54 <nortti> *right
16:02:56 <elliott> Well, parts of it.
16:02:59 <elliott> But not much. It's quite boring.
16:03:04 <alvur> elliott, I'm using 'megaIRC v4.06'
16:03:20 <elliott> "It looks like you're running the Adblock Plus and/or NoScript plugin(s). In order to view this site, you must have Adblock Plus and/or NoScript disabled. Please follow the steps below to fix these issues and view this site." hehe
16:03:41 <Taneb> elliott, Chromium doesn't want me on that site at all
16:03:50 <elliott> Taneb: Yeah, I just clicked through.
16:03:50 <nortti> what is ironfist.at.tut.by anyway? TenFourFox reports it as Reported Attack Page!
16:03:53 <elliott> Linux, maaan.
16:04:04 <elliott> It's an innocuous-looking software site.
16:04:13 <elliott> Maybe there's some evil JS bug on it someone added.
16:04:21 <elliott> [[
16:04:21 <elliott> document.write("<img src=\"http://ifist.h16.ru/cgi-bin/prsash.pl?trans.gif&ref=");
16:04:21 <elliott> document.write(document.referrer);
16:04:21 <elliott> document.write("\" border=0 height=1 width=1>");
16:04:22 <elliott> ]]
16:04:25 <elliott> That looks suspicious.
16:04:36 <elliott> But it's a 404, seemingly.
16:05:37 <alvur> nortti, elliott, you are wrong! God exist!
16:05:53 <elliott> alvur: What about Russell's teapot? Man, this is so boring.
16:06:00 <elliott> Always the same-old same-old.
16:06:00 <nortti> alvur: Why do you think so?
16:06:55 <alvur> elliott, we are created by God, not by teapot
16:07:11 <elliott> I can agree completely that we were not created by a teapot.
16:07:18 <elliott> 100%. Very logical deduction.
16:07:37 <elliott> alvur: But seriously though, go away.
16:07:48 <elliott> ^style darwin
16:07:48 <fungot> Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
16:07:50 <elliott> alvur: Speak of Satan.
16:07:51 <alvur> nortti, Holy Bible tells us about God
16:07:53 <nortti> alvur: no. We are created by flying spaghetti monster
16:07:53 <elliott> Oops.
16:07:56 <elliott> fungot: Speak of Satan.
16:07:59 <fungot> elliott: ovule :) man." -new zealand clover and. fnord to upraised shells. --gravel fringes :). fnord and they stand rather nearer to/ centre :)/ leaf;/ spiral vessels, proceeding from/ n.w./ uppermost beds :)/ same plant thrice as many years as i was days on/ configuration :) our continents are ancient, and seeing what an enormous field :) lava is here stretched out, :) nearly/ same physical evils as/ lower animals give specia
16:08:23 <elliott> I'm ovuling.
16:08:32 <elliott> Command me further, fungot!!!
16:08:33 <fungot> elliott: to return to their primitive colours, red, and has not yet been carefully measured. after 1 hr. and 1 hr./ secretion was repeatedly seen thus to collect on/ roof :)/ mouth during laughter, which leads to wrinkles being formed beneath/ superficial mould, and/ adhadota sometimes required 48 hrs.; yet this latter plant,/ convolvulus tricolor, bud-variation in paritium tricuspis.
16:08:49 <Taneb> you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
16:09:11 <Taneb> (St. Paul's letter to the Romans, Chapter 2, Verse 21)
16:09:34 <nortti> alvur: It tells us about god. Who is either evil sadist or doesn't exist
16:09:58 <Taneb> alvur, do you grant that God is omnipotent?
16:10:12 <alvur> Taneb, amen
16:10:21 <elliott> alvur: poop fart butt
16:10:23 <Taneb> alvur, do you grant that God is omnipresent?
16:10:43 <elliott> Guys, they came in saying <alvur> Jesus is Lord! <alvur> you are heretics!
16:10:50 <elliott> Cut the amateur theology, get to the trolling!
16:11:02 <Taneb> elliott, what do you think I'm doing?
16:11:27 <alvur> Taneb, yes
16:11:30 <elliott> Well, okay.
16:11:49 <Taneb> alvur, do you grant that God is omniscient?
16:12:05 <elliott> alvur: do gays go to hell, if yes: is there still hope for me if i stop the orgy now
16:12:38 <alvur> elliott, sorry, I thought you're magicians
16:12:50 <elliott> well yeah
16:12:54 <elliott> gotta do the magicks to spice up the sexx orgie
16:13:04 <elliott> Taneb: ps is the goat dead yet
16:13:13 <nortti> alvur: If god is omnipotent and he created everything then why did he create evil?
16:13:39 <alvur> nortti, Devil makes evil
16:13:41 <Taneb> elliott, I don't think so, but that could just be the you-know-whats
16:14:00 <Taneb> alvur, if God is omnipresent and omnipotent, why does he allow the Devil to make evil?
16:14:49 <elliott> if god is omnipresent and omnipotent........... why don't we all have skateboards????????????????
16:14:52 <elliott> fuckin checkmate
16:15:23 <nortti> alvur: But if god is omnipotent then why does he allow devil to create evil?
16:15:26 <Taneb> alvur, when did you last cut the hair on the side of your head?
16:15:53 <elliott> if god supports stoning why aren't I stoned
16:15:55 <elliott> qed
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16:18:37 <nortti> why did I put shortcut to my alternative client with autojoin right next to shortcut to terminal.app?
16:18:49 <alvur> men, you shouldn't write bad words about God. He may punish you all
16:19:17 <Taneb> I'm the person who's quoted the Bible most
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16:22:26 <elliott> it's almost as if nortti is ChristianGod
16:22:43 <ChristianGod> alvur: Bible is lie written by people. I hate everyone believin in it
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16:23:46 <elliott> alvur: you never answered my question tho :(
16:23:52 <RocketJSquirrel> What ... is happening.
16:24:27 <Taneb> Hey, could someone hack into my computer and make a loud noise with it at 8 BST? I may have a nap
16:25:40 <alvur> God could never write that!
16:26:18 <nortti> why?
16:27:00 <elliott> i thought god could do anything :SOCOFNUSED:
16:28:14 <nortti> alvur: What branch of Christianity do you believe in?
16:28:51 <Taneb> Did not Oscar Wilde say "The Jews worship a God that one cannot see."?
16:28:56 <alvur> nortti, orthodox. I'm Russian
16:29:10 <elliott> Taneb: he was gay tho
16:29:20 <Taneb> Never proven!
16:29:44 <elliott> That's a wonderfully homophobic application of "innocent until proven guilty" :P
16:30:08 <nortti> alvur: Do you believe that being gay or transsexual is sin?
16:30:29 <alvur> nortti, yes
16:30:52 <elliott> I have no idea what nortti thinks he'll get out of an argument with the kind of person who joins a channel on an IRC network about technology to yell at magicians.
16:31:30 <Taneb> Matthew 22:36-40
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16:32:05 <Taneb> alvur, what's you're opinion on eating blood?
16:32:15 <elliott> Taneb: *whats
16:32:31 <Taneb> (actually in the bible)
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16:32:46 <elliott> "Little benownst to the world all this time, GoldenEye (N64) has a fully-functional ZX Spectrum 48x emulator built into it. By feeding it a proper Spectrum monitor program and calling menu 25 to load a snapshot, any Spectrum 48x program can be run."
16:32:49 <elliott> whoah
16:32:54 <elliott> let's talk about this instead of christianity
16:33:00 <alvur> Taneb, It's forbidden
16:33:16 <Taneb> Is eating rabbit okay?
16:33:40 <elliott> the 11th commandment is "don't eat cute things ok"
16:34:42 <alvur> alvur, don't laugh at our religion
16:34:48 <Taneb> (strictly speaking, the only law against homosexuality in the bible actually forbids two men have vaginal sex specifically)
16:35:26 <Taneb> (the rest are recommendations)
16:36:16 <alvur> you're fucking gays! I hate you!
16:36:30 <Taneb> I'm not fucking any gays.
16:36:44 <Taneb> In fact, channel regulars will know I rarely, if ever, fuck anybody.
16:36:53 <alvur>
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16:42:25 <elliott> Well that was fun.
16:43:19 <Taneb> Indeed
16:43:27 <Taneb> Let's do it again some time
16:43:35 <nortti> To be honest programming with esoteric programming languages is not that far from witchcraft
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16:58:02 <Taneb> Who wants a new esolang!?
16:59:03 <nortti> me. I am bit bored
16:59:10 <Taneb> So do I.
16:59:34 <Taneb> The Dupdog model is interesting
17:00:10 <nortti> what about language based of XOR:ing it's own source code?
17:01:12 <Taneb> Could be interesting
17:03:59 <Taneb> Perhaps with an accumulator that can be incremented or reset, and a method for duplicating its own source a la Dupdog
17:07:19 <Taneb> I've decided to think about Dupdog differently
17:07:58 <Taneb> It's like a machine with a list of instructions and an accumulator
17:08:12 <Taneb> The accumulator is initialized to a particular value
17:08:22 <Taneb> (the initial length of the program)
17:08:32 <Taneb> And damn, I haven't dealt with reversing
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17:34:42 <elliott> WHEREFORE ART THOO
17:34:43 <elliott> WHEREFORE ART THYE
17:37:16 <RocketJSquirrel> Because Thoo said so.
17:37:48 <RocketJSquirrel> <elliott> "Little benownst to the world all this time, GoldenEye (N64) has a fully-functional ZX Spectrum 48x emulator built into it. By feeding it a proper Spectrum monitor program and calling menu 25 to load a snapshot, any Spectrum 48x program can be run." <-- is this true?
17:38:25 <RocketJSquirrel> 'cuz I think that's also the game that was first used to jailbreak the system, or was somehow influential in that area. Some bug it had allowed running arbitrary code.
17:41:47 <elliott> http://www.therwp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48139
17:42:00 <elliott> Also http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rkz67/little_benownst_to_the_world_all_this_time/c46o21c?context=1
17:43:27 <RocketJSquirrel> That's such a good abbreviated title in that reddit URL.
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17:56:20 <elliott> Reviving a nomic is SUPER HARD.
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18:28:42 <elliott> Apparently, Jimbo Wales thinks that articles on corporations must follow the biographies of living persons policy.
18:28:51 <elliott> Thank God for Objectivism.
18:32:21 <RocketJSquirrel> Remember, by US law, corporations ARE living people 8-D
18:33:56 <elliott> That was my point :P
18:34:06 <nortti> RocketJSquirrel: how?
18:37:58 <RocketJSquirrel> nortti: For example, the US constitution does not recognize marriage between two corporations of the same sex, or more than two corporations of any sex.
18:38:46 <nortti> how is sex of corporation determined?
18:39:53 <RocketJSquirrel> Genetically.
18:41:52 <nortti> how exactly is is determined genetically? I didn't know that corporations had a genome
18:45:02 <RocketJSquirrel> You didn't? I mean, it's not enormously complicated, if they have two Z chromosomes then they're male, if they have a Z and W chromosome then they're female.
18:45:16 <RocketJSquirrel> Genetic anomalies which don't fit these norms are treated on a case-by-case basis.
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19:02:05 <fizzie> I was in the City, and I'm not responsible either.
19:02:15 <fizzie> I'm more of an indifferent.
19:02:38 <elliott> alvur: You again?
19:02:54 <alvur> elliott, yep))
19:03:03 <elliott> fizzie: <alvur> Jesus is Lord! <alvur> you are heretics! [...] <alvur> men, you shouldn't write bad words about God. He may punish you all [...] <alvur> you're fucking gays! I hate you! * alvur (~alvur@ has left #esoteric
19:03:13 <elliott> fizzie: He thinks we're magicians. Please put him out of his misery.
19:03:29 <elliott> (<alvur> elliott, sorry, I thought you're magicians)
19:04:16 <oklopol> alvur: do you believe in uncountable sets?
19:04:54 <alvur> oklopol, nope
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19:05:28 <elliott> alvur: What about countably infinite sets?
19:06:08 <oklopol> alvur: why not?
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19:06:52 <alvur> oklopol, there's nothing uncountable but God!
19:07:39 <oklopol> so what's the cardinality of god, and are you saying god is a proper class, or even a conglomerate?
19:08:07 <elliott> alvur: Did he make the integers?
19:08:10 <elliott> Is all else the work of man?
19:08:11 <nortti> alvur: I think that you confuse homosexuals and pedophiles
19:08:23 <elliott> X-D
19:08:57 <alvur> stop, guys! where are you from?
19:09:36 <oklopol> i'm from finland
19:09:40 <nortti> elliott: we had mildly interesting private discussion after (s|)he had left the channel
19:09:43 <nortti> me also
19:09:55 <oklopol> i'm a uncountable set fundamentalist
19:09:57 <oklopol> *an
19:09:58 <elliott> alvur: HELL
19:10:06 <elliott> I'm actually Satan. :/
19:10:25 <alvur> oklopol, Helsingisa?
19:10:26 <oklopol> the anticountable set!
19:10:36 <oklopol> alvur: *helsingiss
19:10:37 <oklopol> but no
19:10:40 <oklopol> i'm turussa
19:11:06 <nortti> alvur: why are you hanging around in a technology channel?
19:11:09 <elliott> nortti: Does that mean we can blame you for this return? :P
19:11:19 <alvur> oklopol, talar ni svenska?
19:11:26 <oklopol> nej
19:11:36 <alvur> alvur, russian?
19:11:37 <oklopol> men jag frstr svenska
19:12:16 <nortti> elliott: it was few hours ago and he quit the irc at some point
19:12:23 <oklopol> ingen russian. also i suck at those noun gender things, since neither english nor finnish has those.
19:12:34 <oklopol> assuming you meant me by alvur
19:12:56 <elliott> This is the second time alvur has self-pinged.
19:13:00 <elliott> Isn't that, you know, sinful?
19:14:09 <oklopol> he also pinged a fellow male.
19:14:12 <oklopol> me.
19:14:17 <oklopol> that's even worse
19:15:03 <elliott> Are you saying he's a paedophile?
19:15:29 <oklopol> well what else could i be saying
19:16:22 <elliott> fizzie: Anyhow, I pinged you about another NSQX "incident".
19:16:26 <fizzie> oklopol: You're all Turussa.
19:16:29 <fizzie> elliott: Yes, I noted.
19:16:35 <elliott> I think it's resolved now. Though I am happy for opinions on my resolution all the same.
19:16:36 <fizzie> elliott: Your language was "taken".
19:16:59 <elliott> fizzie: Well, I don't care about that.
19:17:09 <elliott> fizzie: It was an abandoned WIP with no content.
19:17:16 <elliott> fizzie: But he decided to run a broken, unauthorised bot on the page.
19:17:24 <fizzie> Yes, I noticed that too.
19:17:28 <elliott> Also one that used "Wikipedia python library" for every edit summary.
19:17:31 <oklopol> alvur: are you in paris?
19:18:05 <elliott> Kazakhstan apparently
19:18:12 <elliott> in Karaganda, perhaps?
19:18:16 <elliott> i found this out with esoteric magics
19:18:22 <alvur> oklopol, I'm from Tyumen, Russia
19:18:28 <fizzie> oklopol: You're such a turussa.
19:18:45 <elliott> <fizzie> oklopol: You're all Turussa. <fizzie> oklopol: You're such a turussa.
19:18:52 <elliott> Is oklopol a turussa, fizzie?
19:18:55 <alvur> elliott, now in Karaganda, Kazakhstan
19:18:56 <oklopol> well the whois text is very dim, i just saw "paris" somewhere in there
19:19:07 <fizzie> elliott: Did I say the first one too? I thought I didn't.
19:19:10 <fizzie> elliott: Weird.
19:19:16 <elliott> alvur: Yes, my magics told me.
19:19:18 <nortti> fizzie: that's because I connect using irc.cc.tut.fi
19:19:18 <fizzie> elliott: You must've used your psychic powers to make me say that.
19:19:21 <oklopol> fizzie: is the joke that people from turku are stupid?
19:19:33 <fizzie> oklopol: The joke seems to be on me now. :/
19:19:36 <elliott> fizzie: *physic powers
19:19:51 <elliott> I used... The Gay Science.
19:19:55 <fizzie> Very psy-chic, very fab.
19:19:58 <elliott> Thank Satan for Nietzsche.
19:20:45 <fizzie> Thank {{subst:g-d}}, isn't that how one says?
19:21:20 <alvur> ,
19:21:27 <alvur> ?
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19:21:44 <oklopol> so apparently we get to work in some sort of windowless basement soon enough, since they're renovating the building and shit.
19:21:58 <nortti> alvur: why do you write that mess?
19:21:59 <elliott> alvur: you realise that doesn't show up as russian for us
19:22:01 <elliott> your irc client is broken
19:22:06 <elliott> nortti: that's what some popular russian encoding looks like
19:22:11 <elliott> mojibake'd
19:22:57 <oerjan> hi all
19:22:58 <alvur> elliott, cp1251 code page
19:23:14 <elliott> alvur: pls use utf-8
19:23:19 <fizzie> охуели ребята, you mean.
19:23:20 <elliott> oerjan: hi, alvur thinks we're gay magicians
19:23:34 <elliott> also, have fun with recent changes today.
19:23:46 <elliott> (i mean we are gay magicians, but.
19:23:46 <elliott> )
19:23:51 <nortti> does someone who isn't insane still use cp1251?
19:23:59 <elliott> alv- oh.
19:24:12 <pikhq> No. UTF-8 is the only permissible encoding.
19:24:38 <nortti> UTF-7
19:24:58 <nortti> that would be fun
19:25:17 <elliott> UTF-9 pls
19:25:21 <elliott> nortti: it exists
19:25:25 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-7
19:25:28 <pikhq> So does UTF-9.
19:25:31 <elliott> yep
19:25:51 <pikhq> Handy for 8-bit char systems.
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19:26:03 <alvur> there's no UTF-7 & UTF-9
19:26:12 <nortti> elliott: I know. Just think about the amount of mojibake
19:26:14 <alvur> only -8
19:26:30 <pikhq> alvur: 文字化け悪いぜ
19:26:45 <nortti> alvur: you wrote "only ãåà-8"
19:27:07 <elliott> ãåà-8 is the best encoding
19:27:12 <alvur> pikhq, UTF-8
19:27:54 <fizzie> Only &atilde;&aring;&agrave;-8.
19:28:06 <alvur> elliott, no no no! ANSII is the best
19:28:07 <elliott> A tilde, a ring, a grave. Minus eight.
19:28:10 <nortti> alvur: I would want to make you talk to my satanist schoolmate, but unfortunately she chats only on IRCNet
19:28:18 <nortti> VISCII!
19:28:30 <elliott> IRCNet, more like IRsucksNet.
19:28:39 <elliott> BEHOLD MY SCATHING WIT
19:28:40 <pikhq> nortti: PETSCII.
19:28:41 <fizzie> elliott: It's like a life story. The ring is marriage, the grave is death. I don't know what the tilde represents.
19:28:47 <elliott> fizzie: It represents a tilde.
19:28:54 <elliott> NOWAIT
19:28:57 <elliott> fizzie: It's a sperm.
19:29:00 <fizzie> Ohhhh.
19:29:00 <elliott> I mean, ~ looks kinda like a sperm.
19:29:12 <oerjan> a tilde, a ring, a grave sounds like some esoteric incantation
19:29:15 <fizzie> Well, that's very concise.
19:29:17 <elliott> Speaking of sperm, is there anyone unambiguously gay around we could use to taunt alvur with?
19:29:17 <nortti> pikhq: PETSCII was awesome
19:29:33 <elliott> oerjan: Well duh.
19:29:40 <elliott> oerjan: I'm banishing alvur to the Realms of the Forbidden.
19:29:45 <fizzie> fungot: What's your sexual orientation? Is it unambiguous?
19:29:46 <fungot> fizzie:/ sympathy :) all friends must appear, although it may be observed are particularly isolated; for instance, :) intensely acid fruit is kept before/ mind.
19:29:57 <fizzie> I'm not sure if that was unambiguous.
19:30:02 <oerjan> elliott: sounds fun
19:30:03 <nortti> elliott: what is wrong with IRCNet?
19:30:14 <elliott> nortti: It has even more Finns than #esoteric.
19:30:22 <elliott> fizzie: "Intensely acid fruit" is the best sexuality.
19:30:37 <fizzie> ^style
19:30:37 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:30:42 <nortti> elliott: Nerv network beats it
19:30:48 <fizzie> I don't know what Darwin was on when he wrote that.
19:30:55 <elliott> fizzie: You should put the Satanic Bible in.
19:31:00 <elliott> Darwin was the worst I could get.
19:31:01 <alvur> to be gay is abnormal
19:31:12 <nortti> alvur: why?
19:31:20 <fizzie> elliott: I came across Ubuntu Satanic Edition the other day.
19:31:36 <elliott> fizzie: Metal.
19:31:40 <oerjan> <elliott> Speaking of sperm, is there anyone unambiguously gay around we could use to taunt alvur with? <-- a certain person with strangely similar nick _is_ present
19:32:07 <elliott> http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/wp-content/themes/satanic/images/satanic-banner.jpg
19:32:11 <nortti> fizzie: I once tried it's undead cd but it didn't want to boot.
19:32:30 <fizzie> elliott: It was listed in that "Linux family tree" graphic, that's where I saw it.
19:32:32 <elliott> oerjan: Who?
19:32:41 <oerjan> elliott: a**ur
19:32:54 <elliott> Oh. I thought you meant similar to "sperm".
19:32:58 <elliott> I was all, "Slereah" is nothing like "sperm".
19:33:15 <fizzie> elliott: But chances are e was, once!
19:33:18 <oerjan> elliott: well it's closer
19:33:26 <elliott> fizzie: So was everyone! EXCEPT: Jesus.
19:33:27 <elliott> Topical, see.
19:33:39 <alvur> nortti, biology
19:33:52 <elliott> alvur: Infertile people are living in sin, right?
19:33:58 <elliott> Their sexings produce no babies either, after all.
19:34:11 <elliott> If not: I got castrated for NOTHING?
19:34:17 <fizzie> I don't know, when the holy ghost "came upon" whatsherface. There might've been some sticky stuff involved.
19:34:20 <Phantom_Hoover> <alvur> oklopol, there's nothing uncountable but God!
19:34:20 <nortti> alvur: what about transsexuals
19:34:40 <oerjan> <elliott> Darwin was the worst I could get. <-- wait, fungot doesn't at least have principia discordia?
19:34:41 <elliott> "Oh, I'm fine with transgender people. But the GAYS? BURN THEM"
19:34:41 <fungot> oerjan: chapter 2.xvi. down, june 5 1861.) :)/ phosphate :) lime. it is a pleasure worth taking some trouble about. in october two casks and a jar were sent by me to ascertain after how long an animal would survive if fed on fibrin alone, but in what proportion he could not, :) course, be correct, every one complained :)/ high importance :) this new fnord, from 1846 to fnord was largely occupied by his work on/ action :)/ male.
19:34:48 <elliott> phosphate :) lime
19:34:52 <Phantom_Hoover> alvur, um excuse me that would imply that R = God = P(R), Cantor wants a word with you.
19:35:01 <fizzie> oerjan: It's kinda of a short book, and the graphics wouldn't really translate.
19:35:01 <Phantom_Hoover> ^style
19:35:01 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:35:09 <elliott> "Cantor" is only $many letters away from "sinner".
19:35:16 <elliott> fizzie: Kinda of a!
19:35:23 <elliott> fizzie: Is the Satanic Bible public domain? I don't really know.
19:35:47 <oerjan> ^style lovecraft
19:35:47 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
19:36:00 <fizzie> fungot: OCCULT.
19:36:01 <fungot> fizzie: the presence, nature, and becomes an idiot in consequence, dying less than a thousand miles, though i sometimes think they're a positive asset by way of atmosphere and description.
19:36:02 <oerjan> fungot: you're even better than satanic, right?
19:36:05 <fungot> oerjan: i had not seen a sample, as indeed his continued anaemic decline and increasing pallor prove better than any verbal argument. ward fnord with terrible things, but bided his time till he might shed the yaddith body, nor did the grotesqueness of deeming him an ancient author occur to me; i wished for the volume on the table he thought the centre lay amid the pathless desert of arabia, where irem, the city of a thousand pa
19:36:14 <pikhq> elliott: Probably not. Written in the 70s.
19:36:24 <pikhq> Sorry, '69.
19:36:40 <elliott> 69? HOW COINCIDENTAL.
19:36:46 <elliott> Gay AND Satanic!
19:36:47 <Phantom_Hoover> <nortti> elliott: we had mildly interesting private discussion after (s|)he had left the channel
19:36:51 <Phantom_Hoover> It's s?he you idiot.
19:37:03 <Phantom_Hoover> lern 2 regex
19:37:04 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: What if you want to CAPTURE the S.
19:37:09 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: UM excuse me Spivak demands it's (s?h)?e.
19:37:20 <elliott> (?:s?h)?e
19:37:28 <Phantom_Hoover> Spivak is for GAYS
19:37:52 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Exactly; therefore by coven rules you must???
19:37:53 <alvur> are you really gays-magicians?
19:37:56 <elliott> Yes.
19:37:58 <elliott> Unquestionably.
19:38:07 <elliott> That's why we're in a channel about esoteric programming languages.
19:38:07 <oklopol> i told you my religion already
19:38:17 <elliott> Because it's gay magic.
19:38:30 <oklopol> and i'm not gay, i'm not anything yet
19:39:05 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, um no, it just so happens that everyone interested in esolangs is also a gay magician.
19:39:17 <fizzie> I would have given like even odds for a gayklopol.
19:39:22 <Phantom_Hoover> (Although I am a gay vampire, but vampires are, as we all know, magic.)
19:39:33 <Phantom_Hoover> (Much like friendship.)
19:39:39 <oerjan> <fizzie> I don't know, when the holy ghost "came upon" whatsherface. There might've been some sticky stuff involved. <-- the story is it's just ectoplasm, and they're sticking to it.
19:40:10 <oklopol> the hole ghost came upon her face?
19:40:14 <oklopol> *holy
19:40:22 <fizzie> The whole ghost.
19:40:27 <Phantom_Hoover> alvur, Ezekiel 23:20: YOUR THOUGHTS?
19:40:47 <alvur> are there any girls at this channel?
19:40:56 <elliott> Maybe???
19:40:58 <elliott> There might be like one.
19:41:06 <Phantom_Hoover> Not any more, it seems.
19:41:10 <elliott> We used to have more! But then they all turned gay.
19:41:13 <elliott> As we all know, only men can be gay.
19:41:22 <Phantom_Hoover> `quote Galatea
19:41:25 <HackEgo> 631) <Phantom_Hoover> It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo. <Phantom_Hoover> Also lesbian.
19:41:53 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: You're meant to be ashamed that your most private fantasy got added to the quote base!
19:41:56 <Phantom_Hoover> (Also they were annoying, one extremely so.)
19:42:08 <elliott> Wasn't Lymia here like a day ago.
19:42:21 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, wait how does that square with me being a gay vampi-- oh wait duh I'm a female gay vampire.
19:42:30 <fizzie> We used to have girls, but:
19:42:31 <fizzie> `quote computational linguistics
19:42:34 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her.
19:42:39 <elliott> fizzie: RETRO.
19:42:45 <fizzie> It's like number one.
19:43:41 <oerjan> computational linguistics, the most powerful magic. wait, that means a**ur _is_ a gay magician.
19:43:44 <alvur> are there any black people (niggers) here?
19:44:04 * oerjan suddenly finds his ban finger itchy
19:44:19 <oerjan> no idea why.
19:44:26 <fizzie> oerjan: Getting ready for if anyone says "yes", eh?
19:44:34 <elliott> Yeah, I don't think we need to hear any more.
19:44:35 <nortti> alvur: You are either very racist or a troll
19:44:45 * oerjan swats fizzie -----###
19:45:02 <elliott> fizzie: Do you really want to encourage him?
19:45:12 <fizzie> elliott: Who, oerjan?
19:45:20 <elliott> You know who.
19:45:45 <alvur> nortti, I'm a christian!
19:45:46 <oklopol> alvur: my irc background is black, so i don't know.
19:46:16 <elliott> "I'm Christian! That means I'm literally unable to be racist."
19:46:36 <oerjan> elliott: it _would_ mean that if christian meant anything
19:46:43 <nortti> alvur: being christian doesn't mean you are not racist when you say racist comments
19:47:06 <oerjan> "There are no jews or greeks", etc.
19:47:10 <elliott> Can we end this? This is the second time they've been here; they're obviously not going to take the hint.
19:47:13 <oklopol> oerjan: my ban finger started itching when he told me he doesn't believe in uncountable sets.
19:47:26 <oklopol> unfortunately i _still_ don't have banning privileges.
19:47:29 <oerjan> sorry, that should be singular.
19:47:36 <oerjan> oklopol: shocking!
19:48:03 <oklopol> oerjan: what is shocking?
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19:48:27 <alvur> nortti, it's the name of their race
19:48:32 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Speak of the Devil...
19:48:39 <oerjan> oklopol: a racist cantor crank!
19:49:05 <fizzie> `run @ oerjan quote 752 # Look, I found one. (It's like we have a quote for every concievable purpose.)
19:49:07 <HackEgo> oerjan: 752) <tswett> Hey, I found Gregor on Spokeo. He's a married black male in his late 50s who lives in an apartment worth about $37,000. He did not go to college and works in sales. <tswett> He lives in Detroit. <tswett> I... think we might have found the wrong one.
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19:49:47 <fizzie> Wait, that least comment wasn't visible in the fshg browser.
19:49:55 <oerjan> fizzie: i before e, exceptly after c
19:50:14 <elliott> "least"?
19:50:48 <fizzie> Last.
19:50:56 <fizzie> I'm not doing so hot today.
19:50:56 <alvur> you are programmers. it seems to me
19:51:17 <elliott> That is the "name of our race", as they say.
19:51:28 <elliott> (I am using the grammatical construction whereby "they" means "racists".)
19:52:31 <oklopol> i'm not a programmer
19:52:51 <fizzie> oklopol: You're a closet programmer, I think.
19:53:06 <fizzie> (I've seen you paste some Python.)
19:53:17 <oklopol> i was just comparing sizes!!
19:53:24 <alvur> because you're talkin' about misunderstanding things
19:53:27 <nortti> I only program for fun. It is not my profession
19:54:00 <oklopol> programming is really annoying, bitch don't understand a word i'm saying.
19:54:58 <alvur> nortti, are you also Finnish?
19:55:31 <nortti> alvur: yes, I am
19:56:49 <fizzie> "When in doubt, Finnish" almost works on this channel. (Okay, it's not quite that bad. (Yet.))
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19:59:18 <oklopol> frusti: are you finnish?
19:59:35 <elliott> `welcome frusti
19:59:39 <HackEgo> frusti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
19:59:53 <alvur> oklopol, are you all finnish?))
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20:00:02 <oklopol> :D
20:00:19 <oklopol> alvur: nol
20:00:21 <oklopol> no.
20:01:01 <oklopol> out of those who are currently active, me, fizzie and nortti are
20:01:17 <nortti> and I am quite new here
20:02:55 <alvur> Linux Torvalds is a finnish programmer. He created useless operating system
20:02:59 <fizzie> Out of those who also appear on the list and should be nickpinged for some random offences they're probably anyway guilty of, also atehwa, Deewiant, ineiros and ion are Finnish. (I may have missed someone.)
20:03:16 <fizzie> That *must* be some sort of a troll thing, right?
20:04:12 <oklopol> so 7 out of 60
20:05:06 <oklopol> can you calculate how ...populationwise proportionately each country is represented here?
20:05:14 <elliott> fizzie: Yes, come on already.
20:05:17 <fizzie> oklopol: Based on population numbers, I think we should have 0.0472 Finns.
20:05:18 <alvur> oklopol, what time is it now in Suomi?
20:05:38 <fizzie> oklopol: At least that's what W|A outputs if you write in "(population of finland)/(population of the world)*60".
20:06:15 <fizzie> (Also you'll get a rather funny-looking graph about Finland's relative populationness from 1800 to 2009.)
20:06:29 <oklopol> yeah but like, for each country that appears here, how many times too many people we have here
20:06:35 <oklopol> xD
20:06:46 <fizzie> Things were going well for us up until about 1917, and after that we've gone downhill. Coincidentally, that was when we gained our independence.
20:07:03 <oerjan> or too few. we _did_ have a chinese come by the other day.
20:07:34 <oklopol> well right
20:07:48 <nortti> alvur: Why do you think that Linux is useless=
20:07:51 <nortti> *?
20:08:08 <oklopol> US might be the most correctly represented one?
20:08:10 * elliott mumbles something about feeding the troll.
20:08:24 <fizzie> I think the more pertinent question would be why e thinks that's his first name, if it were a serious comment.
20:08:25 <oerjan> > 7000000000/60
20:08:26 <lambdabot> 1.1666666666666667e8
20:08:31 <oklopol> alvur: do you believe in the variational principle
20:08:35 <alvur> until 1917 Finnland was a part of Russia. You should speak russian like your native language.
20:08:39 * elliott also mumbles something about the incredibly high standard for getting kicked here.
20:09:13 <oerjan> so a country should have at least 116 million people to be both present and underrepresented here
20:09:28 <fizzie> elliott: It would diminish your achievements if just about anyone could get kicked.
20:09:34 <alvur> nortti, everybody uses Windows
20:09:45 <oerjan> EVERYONE
20:09:49 <fizzie> oerjan: What, are we up to 7 billion already?
20:09:52 * oerjan cackles madly
20:09:57 <oklopol> fizzie: ages ago
20:10:07 <oklopol> sex is just too much fun
20:10:16 <nortti> alvur: I use GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, FreeDOS, AmigaOS andReactOS
20:10:25 <oerjan> fizzie: last halloween
20:10:38 <fizzie> "The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012. According to a separate estimate by the United Nations Population Fund, it reached this milestone on October 31, 2011."
20:10:42 <alvur> nortti, I don't know people who uses Linux at home PC
20:10:43 <fizzie> I see there are differing opinions.
20:10:48 <oerjan> oh right
20:10:50 <pikhq_> alvur: I do.
20:10:58 <oklopol> alvur: then again i suppose you know people who believe in god
20:11:02 <pikhq_> alvur: It's also irrelevant.
20:11:02 <elliott> pikhq_: There's enough people feeding him.
20:11:15 <pikhq_> Meh. Let's just fuck this.
20:11:20 <pikhq_> /ignore alvur
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20:11:27 <nortti> alvur: I use it on my desktops and on my server
20:11:38 <Sgeo_> Some ad:
20:11:38 * elliott awaits his kick!
20:11:40 <Sgeo_> "Please consider cleaning your Mac from junk."
20:11:45 <alvur> nortti, I tried ReactOS
20:11:48 -!- oerjan has kicked elliott O KAY.
20:11:54 <oklopol> xD
20:12:15 <oklopol> do me now!
20:12:22 -!- oerjan has kicked oklopol oklopol.
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20:12:35 <tswett> I politely request that I not be kicked.
20:13:05 <fizzie> tswett: I think it's opt-in, not opt-out.
20:13:13 <tswett> However, I request that Gregor be kicked for his apparent absence.
20:13:16 <nortti> alvur: did you like it. I think it was bit less stable than windows and that is something
20:13:19 <alvur> the who uses Linux looks like sectarians
20:13:46 <oklofok> nortti: i have windows 7 and it has crashed about 0 times.
20:13:46 -!- oerjan has kicked alvur alvur.
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20:13:54 <fizzie> Secreterians.
20:14:09 <oerjan> sheesh, why does only elliott have the politeness to stay out
20:14:47 <fizzie> oerjan: There are channels where rejoining in less than five seconds or so converts a kick to a ban.
20:14:56 <nortti> oklofok: On our school Windows 7 crashes very frequently
20:14:57 <alvur> nortti, I think when Reactos will be stable, 32-bit OS won't be used
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20:15:46 <oklofok> the only problem is any option you might wanna touch is in control panel -> stuff -> options -> advanced options -> change things -> really change things -> very advanced stuff -> printer options -> color themes -> screensaver options -> folder options -> ...
20:16:26 <oklofok> or you have to use some console command which you cannot really find documentation for.
20:16:46 <nortti> alvur: Well, I still use 16bit operating systems and less frequently even 8bit ones
20:16:55 <oklofok> windows xp which i have on my laptop on the other hand is horrible
20:17:19 <pikhq> oerjan: Srsly no kick?
20:17:20 <oklofok> i just wanna beat fistfully.
20:17:26 <oklofok> *beat it
20:17:33 <alvur> nortti, do you have i286?
20:17:39 -!- oerjan has kicked pikhq By request.
20:17:51 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!*alvur@178.89.139.*.
20:17:51 -!- oerjan has kicked alvur I think people are fed up now..
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20:18:05 <pikhq> oerjan: I see you don't speak English.
20:18:13 <fizzie> pikhq: There was also the kick you were referring to, while you were gone.
20:18:17 <pikhq> Oh, but alvur did get kicked.
20:18:18 <pikhq> Good.
20:18:25 <nortti> alvur: no, but I am trying to get one. I have Amigas and old Macs
20:18:27 <fizzie> In fact, you've been gone for both the kick and the kickban.
20:18:46 <oklofok> nortti has to have all of his somewhat interesting conversations in pm :(
20:19:35 <nortti> I can post logs if you weant
20:19:38 <nortti> *want
20:20:24 <oklofok> please do
20:20:40 <oklofok> are they deep
20:21:42 <fizzie> I can't believe a 286 box would be hard to find. We might have one somewhere in Lieksa.
20:21:43 <oklofok> what are we gonna talk about now that he's gone :(
20:21:58 <oklofok> oerjan: do you subscribe to arxiv feeds?
20:22:28 <boily> there is such a thing as arxiv feeds?
20:22:37 <fizzie> (If you just want the CPU, you can apparently buy one for 3 eur.)
20:23:08 <oklofok> boily: i mean the thing where they send you articles submitted the day before in the categories you subscribe to
20:23:31 <oklofok> they also have an rss feed
20:23:34 <boily> oklofok: already browsing them.
20:23:52 <boily> ways_of_having_no_life++;
20:24:04 <oklofok> i registered today
20:24:08 <Phantom_Hoover> http://imgur.com/HO7CC
20:24:09 <Phantom_Hoover> I
20:24:13 <Phantom_Hoover> I want to write maths books,
20:24:29 <nortti> fizzie: I mean complete computer
20:24:42 <oklofok> also sent an article to dynamical systems, and wondering if the choice of category was completely wrong
20:24:54 <oerjan> oklofok: subscribe? do i look like i have the patience to read _actual_ papers any longer?
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20:25:38 <nortti> I also want one that can read 1,2MB 5" floppy disks (my 5" floppy drive doesn't write 360kB floppies)
20:25:38 <fizzie> nortti: Yes, admittedly I couldn't find one from huuto.net right now. But still, there should be loads of those lying around. Ours is a complete system, and it was in working order... uh, I guess a decade or so ago when I last saw it.
20:26:02 <oklofok> oerjan: do i look like i don't have the patience to keep asking you this kind of stuff forever even though i'm fully aware of that?
20:26:13 <oerjan> YES. PLEASE.
20:26:37 <oklofok> i'd rather not not have that kind of patience.
20:27:00 <fizzie> nortti: You could buy a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Computers_Catweasel -- from what a friend told me, it can convince just about any regular floppy drive to read quite a few floppies.
20:27:47 <fizzie> Uh, or could if they'd still be selling those, I guess.
20:28:06 <nortti> OOmfg! It supports Amiga Floppies! I must get one
20:28:19 <oklofok> Phantom_Hoover: i may have missed the point of your pic, what was it?
20:28:19 <nortti> *OMFG
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20:36:52 <Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, Ted Kaczynski is famous for sending letterbombs to universities as part of a neo-Luddite campaign.
20:37:36 <oklofok> oh xD
20:37:53 <oerjan> all people named kaczynski are crazy. just ask the poles.
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20:42:31 <Phantom_Hoover> http://imgur.com/a/RxIRh
20:43:48 <nortti> wasn't he also known as unabomber or am I confusing he to someone else?
20:43:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, I was about to say something to elliott, but I note that oerjan is sticking fast to his policy of not kicking trolls unless he can also kick at least one productive member of the channel.
20:44:02 <Phantom_Hoover> nortti, yes, he was.
20:45:12 <fizzie> It's called "collateral damage", I think.
20:45:20 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: hey one of them got so crazy they had to get the russians to put him down!
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20:46:21 <oklofok> a few years ago our department got this letter from some crazy person
20:46:27 <oklofok> i wish i remembered what it said
20:46:45 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie, for fuck's sake, if oerjan's going to continue acting like an idiot can you use your op powers?
20:47:06 <oklofok> anyway he wished us a happy year and said he likes quantum physics. it looked like it was written by a 5yo, but apparently it wasn't the first letter from him.
20:47:08 <oerjan> oklofok: CANTOR'S PROOF IS WRONG, of course. except in finnish.
20:47:17 <Phantom_Hoover> I know you try to stay out of that kind of thing, but ais isn't really here that much.
20:47:20 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: wait what, is there an actual troll i've missed?
20:47:26 <oklofok> well not so much crazy
20:47:37 <oklofok> as probably literally retarded
20:48:03 <oklofok> Phantom_Hoover: elliott asked for it
20:48:51 <Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, I'm too tired to play your complex game of irony right now.
20:49:03 <fizzie> We all have our strict rules; oerjan's the kick-nado (a furious whirlpool of kicks), while mine is "ruminate on things until they cease to be a problem". (It's hard to say which one is worse.)
20:49:43 <oklofok> Phantom_Hoover: okay we can try again tomorrow
20:49:52 <Phantom_Hoover> The thing is that oerjan normally ruminates on things until they cease to be a problem until you actually try to get him to do something at which point he acts as passive-aggressively as he can.
20:49:54 <oerjan> oh it was about that elliott hasn't joined again?
20:50:04 <nortti> Am I really only one who likes ed editor?
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20:50:33 <fizzie> ed! it's the standard editor.
20:50:35 <oklofok> nortti: well i like the drink
20:50:43 <oklofok> but i would never edit it
20:51:10 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: hey i just couldn't resist misinterpreting elliott for a cheap joke. otherwise i would probably have continued ruminating.
20:51:23 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, stop this 'joke' shit.
20:51:39 <nortti> I have written a multitasking operating system with it
20:52:02 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i see.
20:52:05 <Phantom_Hoover> Cheap jokes once in a while are fine, but you do it /in lieu of actually doing any of the duties expected of an op/.
20:52:25 <oklofok> Phantom_Hoover is scary :(
20:52:48 <Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, well duh, I'm a gay vampire.
20:52:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Vampires are scary.
20:53:03 <oklofok> a very SERIOUS gay vampire!
20:53:04 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it wasn't in lieu. if i hadn't joked, i would simply have waited further until alvur had said something more kickworthy.
20:54:47 <oerjan> in fact i'm not convinced he said anything such between me opping myself and finally banning him.
20:56:04 <oklofok> fizzie: soooooooo, how about that graph showing how well countries are represented.
20:56:36 <fizzie> oklofok: Is that just a cheap attempt to change the topic, or are you actually expecting me to do something? (Because I'm not.)
20:56:38 <oklofok> as a function of time
20:56:48 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, where the /hell/ do you draw the line for kickworthiness?
20:56:50 <oklofok> fizzie: both
20:57:12 <oklofok> i don't think poor anvil even disrupted the channel really
20:57:32 <Phantom_Hoover> I've yet to see you actually kick someone worthy of it without being repeatedly asked.
20:58:25 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: Possibly he doesn't consider talking about ReactOS kickworthy? I mean, that's about all alvur said after oerjan's +o; that, and the bit about "looks like sectarians", which IMO was mostly just confusing.
20:58:53 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: which means i have a rather different opinion than the trigger-happy people here about what _is_ worthy of a kick. which may very well be one reason fizzie made me an op in the first place.
20:59:26 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie, well that and the racism and the homophobia.
20:59:46 <Phantom_Hoover> I mean really, you're saying you're going to warn someone after that?
21:00:28 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: that all happened before i opped myself. that was intended as a final warning. ... i wrote that before your last line so i guess it would be hypocritical not to press return.
21:00:39 <fizzie> Yes, I think I would. Not that I'd have high hopes the warning would do much good.
21:00:41 <oklofok> fizzie: if you make me an op, i promise to only kickban people if they suck at math
21:00:56 <fizzie> oklofok: I don't think we want to be a mathist channel. :/
21:01:12 <fizzie> (Also I'd get kickbanned.)
21:02:13 <oerjan> ...it would be slightly easier not to turn op actions into a joke if people didn't joke about it much more often that it is actually needed...
21:02:20 <oerjan> *than it is
21:02:55 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, the reason people joke about it is because you're such a complete idiot about it.
21:03:21 <oerjan> O_o
21:03:26 <Phantom_Hoover> Also, even /if/ opping yourself was the final warning, why did you only kick him?
21:03:49 <oerjan> ...ok that was part of the stupid joke. i got carried away by that point.
21:04:03 <Phantom_Hoover> OK. Don't get carried away, OK?
21:04:20 <Phantom_Hoover> Op 101 provided by Phantom_Hoover.
21:04:22 <fizzie> Anyway, I don't think he said anything especially awful (or especially anything) after the "warning", even if the warning part was rather implied.
21:05:02 <oerjan> ...which makes me rather confused when people continue to say they're /ignoring him during that time.
21:05:43 <Phantom_Hoover> He shifted his trolling a little more towards the "actually an idiot" side.
21:05:50 <oerjan> like, is there some subtext which is obvious to everyone _but_ me?
21:06:07 <Phantom_Hoover> While it wasn't bannable in itself, in context it was clearly just trying to keep a slightly lower profile.
21:06:45 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, pikhq ignored him, presumably because he knew this would happen.
21:06:50 <Phantom_Hoover> Nobody else did,.
21:10:45 <fizzie> I really can't construe the ReactOS/i286 stuff as obvious trolling. I mean, I wouldn't be very surprised if it turned out he actually had tried it out; it's such a weird thing to single out, otherwise. The Linux/sectarian bit, maybe.
21:12:49 <Phantom_Hoover> That you said some non-trolling things does not stop you from being a troll.
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21:14:28 <fizzie> @tell oerjan Hey, we're winning -- but W|A thinks you will eventually crush us: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28population+of+finland%29%2F%28population+of+norway%29
21:14:29 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
21:14:32 <nortti> it is missing first few lines, but otherwise it is complete log: http://paste.dy.fi/Ivd/plain
21:15:19 <fizzie> Also I would think the whole point about a warning is that you wait for some post-warning actual trolling to happen.
21:15:53 <fizzie> You posted confidential stuff. :/ :/ :\
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21:18:08 <elliott> [2012-03-31 00:00:50] <alvur> in confidence, I'm an atheist.)) now I'm going to bed. bye bye!
21:18:28 <fizzie> Is that "))" some sort of a smiley, incidentally?
21:18:32 <elliott> Proven: Getting kicked from #esoteric is easy, so long as you're not actually trolling.
21:18:45 <elliott> If you are, then it'll take more than flinging slurs.
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21:27:56 <oklofok> elliott: err, didn't that prove that he _was_ trolling?
21:31:18 <oklofok> if anything
21:34:51 <oklofok> unless you mean yourself
21:43:52 <elliott> oklofok: Yes, of course it proved that.
21:43:59 <elliott> That was my point.
21:45:06 <oklopol> yes i now realize you probably agree with ph
21:45:22 <oklopol> instead of me and oerjan
21:45:31 <elliott> Didn't you hear? We're sockpuppets.
21:45:38 <oklopol> ah
21:45:44 <oklopol> wait whose sockpuppets
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21:45:55 <oklopol> oh
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21:45:59 <elliott> I'm Phantom_Hoover, apparently.
21:46:40 <oklopol> so wait you and ph are both sockpuppets and you are also the same sockpuppet?
21:47:19 <elliott> I don't think you know what "sockpuppet" means.
21:47:45 <oklopol> oh apparently not, just wp'd
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21:47:58 <oklopol> err
21:48:04 <oklopol> no that's what i assumed you meant
21:51:19 <elliott> Then I don't understand the confusion.
21:51:31 <oklopol> well really my question is valid for any meaning of sockpuppet.
21:52:19 <elliott> Which question, again?
21:52:30 <oklopol> well i suppose by "we're sockpuppets", you could just mean that you are in a sockpuppety relation
21:52:34 <oklopol> then everything would make sense
21:52:44 <oklopol> elliott: "so wait you and ph are both sockpuppets and you are also the same sockpuppet?"
21:53:36 <elliott> I mean that Phantom_Hoover is me.
21:53:50 <oklopol> it is a significantly stupider question when sockpuppet means something that makes identity questions complicated. which was why i asked.
21:54:54 <oklopol> ph is marginally better at math, otherwise i'd believe that
21:55:06 <oklopol> that's really the only thing i care about in a person
21:55:29 <oklopol> and also the color of their nick
21:55:51 <oklopol> yours is a manly shade of pink.
21:56:09 <elliott> I was making a reference probably only two regulars here know the details of, so it does not really matter.
21:56:11 <elliott> *three
21:57:40 <oklopol> well aren't you being an elliotist.
21:58:16 <oklopol> that would work way better if your name was eliot
21:58:55 <oklopol> is there a story behind those beautiful geminates of yours?
21:59:49 <elliott> A story?
22:00:40 <oklopol> dude
22:00:50 <oklopol> i think oerjan kicked you too hard
22:01:33 <oklopol> but yeah did you ever ask your parents
22:02:28 <elliott> I was named without regard to the number of ls or ts.
22:02:53 <oklopol> :O
22:03:18 <oklopol> my parents are very conservative about the number of repetitions of consonants.
22:03:24 <elliott> After I was born my mother reportedly replied "all of them" to whoever was asking how many ls and ts there are.
22:03:35 <elliott> So now I have all of them.
22:03:39 <oklopol> oh thank god you're still elliott
22:04:05 <oklopol> i thought you might have gotten some sort of brain injury from the kick
22:04:26 <oklopol> in sami, which is spoken somewhere here in finland
22:04:30 <oklopol> there are triple geminates
22:05:17 <oklopol> three different lengths that actually carry meaning.
22:05:28 <oklopol> how silly is that.
22:05:36 <oklopol> it's not silly.
22:05:40 <oklopol> it makes sense.
22:06:09 <elliott> `addquote <oklopol> how silly is that. <oklopol> it's not silly. <oklopol> it makes sense.
22:06:12 <HackEgo> 834) <oklopol> how silly is that. <oklopol> it's not silly. <oklopol> it makes sense.
22:06:19 <oklopol> that's totally taken out of context.
22:06:45 <oklopol> there's hundreds of megabytes of irc logs around it
22:07:18 * oklopol realizes he has no idea how many bytes #esologs actually are.
22:08:54 <elliott> fifty to sixty or so
22:09:00 <elliott> (uncompressed)
22:09:03 <oklopol> bytes?
22:09:14 <oklopol> or mB?
22:09:32 <oklopol> (it was just too much work to capitalize both)
22:09:34 <elliott> megas
22:10:01 <oklopol> well i was close then.
22:10:38 <oklopol> close enough for it to be a bad q
22:10:40 <oklopol> ...
22:10:46 <oklopol> guess instead of an intentional random number
22:10:55 <oklopol> common typo, that
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22:56:04 <zzo38> Do you like this?
22:56:25 <elliott> no
22:56:50 <shachaf> elliott: Oh, I thought lifestream was taking the class.
22:57:10 <elliott> They aren't.
22:57:28 <zzo38> Why?
22:57:40 <elliott> Becausen't.
23:05:19 <elliott> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/127628/for-casting-the-vote-on-sackoverflow
23:06:50 <zzo38> I don't like all of this daylight saving time; just wake up at sunrise
23:08:27 <elliott> But I don't like wake up at surnise
23:09:23 <shachaf> elliott: If zzo38 becomes king, you'll be forced to wake up at surnise every day.
23:09:54 <monqy> what if I want to wake up at sunset instead
23:10:12 <zzo38> No you won't. It only means I would wake up at sunrise I would not force other people to do so
23:10:31 <elliott> what if sunrise is at 2 am??? / / /
23:11:12 <shachaf> elliott: zzo38 would make you do it.
23:11:18 <shachaf> That's why you should elect me king instead.
23:12:37 <zzo38> No I won't make you do anything.
23:13:08 <elliott> please
23:14:19 <zzo38> No I won't make you do anything, please.
23:14:41 <elliott> :(
23:18:22 <shachaf> zzo38: Are you trying to convince elliott to vote for you?
23:20:08 <zzo38> shachaf: No.
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23:30:18 <elliott> I can make #haskell ten times better with one new rule.
23:30:27 <elliott> No synthesising your own answers to common problems.
23:31:33 <shachaf> Isn't that the thing kmc usually says?
23:31:38 <elliott> Is it?
23:31:43 <elliott> kmc: You're a good person.
23:34:43 <elliott> <dobblego> when I talk about state, I talk about problems that programmers are used to, and pseudo-solutions too -- such as "dependency injection"
23:34:43 <elliott> <dobblego> then I say, watch me solve your problem, with the critical difference, that it will work
23:34:48 <zzo38> What program do you prefer for drawing logos and fonts and whatever? I prefer METAFONT, I think it is best one; but other people might use other stuff if you prefer it
23:34:58 <elliott> "Finally I will use the killer functional tool no imperative programmer has access too -- GLOBAL STATE!"
23:35:00 <elliott> *to
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23:37:58 <fizzie> My ~/logs/freenode/#esoteric is 209M, and that's just post-2009-03-17. Of course there's possibly some amount of more formatting, but still.
23:38:16 <elliott> fizzie: hmm, really?
23:38:19 <elliott> it was 50 circa like 2008
23:38:41 <fizzie> Well, the directory that's everything I have from before that is 53M.
23:39:12 <elliott> Oh.
23:39:41 <fizzie> http://p.zem.fi/1z6e
23:40:21 <fizzie> It's changed from the "K era" to the "M era" approximately during 2007.
23:42:40 <elliott> fizzie: All the logs up to 2007 were less than a megabyte?
23:42:48 <elliott> Oh, that's per-qtr.
23:42:57 <fizzie> Per-month.
23:43:04 <elliott> Same thing.
23:43:48 <fizzie> There are also gaps in the places where I didn't rememer to rejoin for some months.
23:45:53 <fizzie> (And the numbers surrounding the missing months are somewhat dubious for obvious reasons. But I didn't have a local copy of the actual log'llection handy.)
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