? < 1331229939 205396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Ctrl+I is tab < 1331229942 976242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blockquotes are usually indented < 1331229962 407765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes Ctrl+I is interpreted for italics due to the first letter of "italic" being "i" < 1331229964 443568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as Konversation) < 1331229966 90364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1331230099 98361 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331230102 943409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would laugh so much if that was the reason < 1331230111 940829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that were < 1331230117 459054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently being tired makes me pedantic < 1331230225 91183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331230243 387215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it's a perfectly plausible implausible explanation
< 1331230273 833185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if they used to italicise quotes by default < 1331230285 319912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then decided to do an s//

/g on their database < 1331230297 611850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make them blockquotes instead < 1331230299 959064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR quotes on slashdot being italic < 1331230307 312885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that too < 1331230318 765549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they did it even in the middle of a sentence < 1331230360 311854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did it at the start of a line < 1331230360 881725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1331230363 934172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who writes comments < 1331230369 317499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping manually like this < 1331230371 86678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would get caught by it < 1331230555 426201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wrap manually < 1331230558 703705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331230560 160646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when my browser does it for me < 1331230565 279615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares at SunOS Mozilla
< 1331230583 424876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you use SunOS, again? < 1331230597 610928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the reason is going to be really stupid, isn't it < 1331230635 214885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a choice of SunOS and Windows and I was trying to run POSIXy stuff < 1331230639 803385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including but not limited to C-INTERCAL) < 1331230656 946756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The binding community discussion on the Abortion article names as requested by the Arbitration Committee has commenced. [dismiss]" < 1331230657 133547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences to anyone involved in what will inevitably be a complete trainwreck < 1331230661 108669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects that this answer is less stupid than elliott might have been discussing
< 1331230671 249159 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey it's elliott < 1331230681 977793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is there seriously a major push to name it something other than [[Abortion]]? or is this about subarticles? < 1331230682 769138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrrrrgh not you again < 1331230696 771155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "The Arbitration Committee has requested a binding, structured community discussion on the article titles "Support for the legalization of abortion" and "Opposition to the legalization of abortion"." < 1331230719 176884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so typical of Wikipedia < 1331230726 268842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hmm at [[absurd brainfuck]] < 1331230726 961333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prediction: half the people want "Support for the continued illegality of abortion" and "Opposition to the continued illegality of abortion" < 1331230730 947538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that article even make sense at all? < 1331230735 229101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/absurd_brainfuck < 1331230735 415834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it doesn't < 1331230746 226161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of tailcalled's articles are just stupid joke BF derivatives < 1331230794 749296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OK, TwoDucks is uncomputable, but it has nicely and precisely defined semantics, even if they're unimplementable < 1331230800 111912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absurd BF doesn't mean anything < 1331230820 224661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your link is broken < 1331230823 150882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the article is mistitled) < 1331230835 439887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1331230847 559381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really put a caps redirect in my autolinker, but I can't be bothered < 1331230852 228203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to wikiformat it and categorise it, but I think I'll just leave uninteresting BF derivatives to rot in the future < 1331230874 956609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's an URL construction scheme that goes to the article verbatim if it exists, the name in various other cases if it doesn't, and the search page if none of those do) < 1331230884 190188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's intended for use by the Go button) < 1331230902 408779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331230926 797188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hourglass button these days < 1331230939 72481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, btw, is inexplicably differently-aligned on Wikipedia to everywhere else < 1331230943 578119 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything of interest to me happen in the last couple of days? < 1331230956 972970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare top-right of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page in Vector < 1331230989 23514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A language that is similar to that in Star Trek the next generation episode "Darmok" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok] . I don't know what that could mean with programming languages. Look up Darmok reviews online. Here are 2: [http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/tng-darmok-review-5884483] < 1331231006 190234 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1331231011 310107 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best terrible idea /ever/. < 1331231013 232626 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it. < 1331231034 684561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it says "here are 2" but actually only links to one < 1331231102 142396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331231149 186823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231154 285726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you mean magnifying glass, not hourglass, right? < 1331231202 937430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1331231205 737162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, MediaWiki's memoryalpha interwiki is really out-of-date; the links it produces don't even work < 1331231268 977814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&curid=1669&diff=30948&oldid=30947 hmm, this is possibly stretching the definition of "format" < 1331231713 876001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more similar to "wikify" < 1331231724 267608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a content change too (if a trivial correction) < 1331231874 46973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231936 641043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise cpressey edit! < 1331231974 209912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231981 472331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Absurd Brainfuck]] is the worst idea. < 1331231998 230491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the procedure. < 1331232014 229060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even the worst idea in that sense. < 1331232019 614502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just generally an awful idea. < 1331232075 282271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-35.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331232084 713989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might almost be a good idea if it made some sort of sense < 1331232086 477489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-197-182.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331232091 334284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't < 1331232277 679648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it worked like haskell's reverse state monad somehow... < 1331232295 387819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: realisation: I think I took down the sitenotice ~1 day before cpressey visited the wiki for the first time in months :D < 1331232317 745921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Haskell has a reverse state monad? < 1331232323 361111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, umm, sort of see how that would work < 1331232329 281138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not think of any applications for it < 1331232332 868649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/mindfuck-the-reverse-state-monad/ < 1331232339 876658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the fibonacci numbers with it < 1331232384 227098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://www.reddit.com/comments/6j2fy/backwards_state_monad/c03zgnv < 1331232387 357074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "practical" application < 1331232401 640717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, mindfuck is a different thing from brainfuck and minscrew? < 1331232477 806955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mindscrew < 1331232496 232974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the question i then have is whether you could ever do a loop test without data flow deadlock < 1331232524 394913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just googled “state monad simple example” and this link cropped up. < 1331232602 409526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you combine the backwards and forwards state monads you should get MonadFix for State < 1331232683 795053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i tried that once, combining the flow from each direction monoidally < 1331232687 420996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got messy < 1331232768 904838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, presumably the reason that user isn't in the creation log is because they /already existed/ < 1331232773 384636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so didn't pass the captcha at all < 1331232778 627604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a plausible enough explanation < 1331232778 814395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would explain why i couldn't find them in the logs < 1331232781 398111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*server logs < 1331232795 383196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how most of the spammers are getting through, after all < 1331232961 769105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331232967 116546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-35.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331233070 593112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly.
< 1331233148 31890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331233155 133116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331233463 841694 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331233638 258045 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331233748 424710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was going to wikiformat it and categorise it, but I think I'll just leave uninteresting BF derivatives to rot in the future < 1331233773 294577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have occasionally had the weird thought if they should get their own namespace < 1331233791 21146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to make a point < 1331233891 27444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :move them to the bfwiki < 1331233891 481345 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their own wiki. < 1331233896 563486 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninterestingbfderivatives.com < 1331233936 463146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, Slashdot are busy arguing about whether the recent claim someone's made to have produced a 230% efficient LED are sane or not < 1331233969 105023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument is that actually it's an electrically-powered heat pump, that converts ambient heat to light, and more such heat than the electrical input < 1331233982 813942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few commentors are suggesting connecting the thing to a solar panel to see what happens… < 1331234004 957596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solar panel needs to be more than 44% effective for an interesting effect < 1331234012 345840 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy tswett if you didn't see: UPDATE < 1331234018 424198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a heat pump needs a temperature _difference_... < 1331234023 24730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but that's doable with modern technology, I think < 1331234031 155106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it needs an energy source < 1331234042 794658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat pumps create a temperature difference and consume energy to do so < 1331234050 456753 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: just the flash? Aye. < 1331234058 585376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, there is an energy source (the electricity), but it's less than the amount of heat pumped… < 1331234095 304553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1331234119 59428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have occasionally had the weird thought if they should get their own namespace < 1331234120 847335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1331234123 277259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I COULD DO IT < 1331234130 960547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what you should /actually/ do instead, right? < 1331234217 71342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&curid=1669&diff=30952&oldid=30948 < 1331234417 237800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, I had an awesome esolang idea in a dream weeks ago, and now can't remember most of it < 1331234421 904806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you probably need a few tokens beyond those keywords as well... < 1331234423 592188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>{}; for starters - and identifiers < 1331234430 787512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that as I had it in a dream, it may not follow the rules of logic, or fail to make any sense for other reasons) < 1331234444 111452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember that the main concept was that there was only one program, which was a physical obect < 1331234445 746101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*object < 1331234459 966011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you programmed in it by physically travelling elsewhere in the world so that you were looking at it from a different perspective < 1331234462 273521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey it could still be better than most on the wiki < 1331234463 831703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which changed what it meant < 1331234469 686242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331234511 455720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal sundial comes to mind < 1331234519 22838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, now I'm laughing out load at that for some reason < 1331234554 743624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*digital < 1331234560 819970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both < 1331234563 735788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which word became digital? < 1331234567 824980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fractal < 1331234577 8836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language where the empty program does "everything" (in some defined universe), and to get useful work done you need to describe everything that the program should not do < 1331234577 195036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps if you know the object that oerjan's describing < 1331234585 414662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if any of the things have ever been made? < 1331234607 635229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: arguably, constraint-based programming does that < 1331234614 18569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol-Clue, Proud, etc < 1331234614 844071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know the object oerjan is describing.
< 1331234617 176108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't wikipedia mention a real one... < 1331234617 887017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_sundial < 1331234649 177341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's kind of what I was thinking about yes... sounds boring :( < 1331234659 144572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first prototype of the device was constructed in 1994. In 1998 for the first time a fractal sundial was installed in a public place (Genk, Belgium).[3] There exist window and tabletop versions as well.[4]" < 1331234702 215753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want one of those, but I bet they're really expensive < 1331234715 63320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd have nowhere to put it < 1331234747 327722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1331234749 256494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331234751 190971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think it's theoretically possible to have a (fractal) digital sundial that shows the date too (not the year, though) < 1331234756 427074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"window/tabletop" versions don't sound like they'd be expensive < 1331234760 337060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they wouldn't be very profitable to make < 1331234764 403554 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331234778 489229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that they aren't made very much for that reason < 1331234782 697473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331234806 371203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cost per sundial is $ 129.00. Sundials will be shipped from Vermont via USPS Priority Mail." < 1331234817 779799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that was the US price. < 1331234819 705218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall discussing that previously and concluding that there must be days in the spring that cannot be distinguished from days in the autumn < 1331234824 486180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cost per sundial is € 91.00. Sundials will be shipped from Germany. Within Germany, the shipping cost is € 2.30 per sundial; for other European countries, the shipping cost is € 4.60 per sundial." < 1331234843 888108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just found that < 1331234847 551593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "really expensive", but not quite cheap either. < 1331234851 67167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :€91 is more than I'm willing to pay for a digital sundial < 1331234862 748495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the range of things that I could afford, but more than the value I put on one < 1331234949 686362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We currently offer mounts for 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, and 55 degrees latitude." Well, this is 60. < 1331234989 323880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, Wolfram has his own blog < 1331234996 121018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does that surprise you? < 1331235002 450695 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to stop being part of the MSPA community. My levels of surprise at [S] Jane: Enter were rather low. < 1331235006 551004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't, just worries < 1331235017 379961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably inevitable, wasn't it? < 1331235028 308423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1331235043 733624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every day—in an effort at “self awareness”—I have automated systems send me a few emails about the day before. But even though I’ve been accumulating data for years—and always meant to analyze it—I’ve never actually gotten around to doing it. But with Mathematica and the automated data analysis capabilities we just released in Wolfram|Alpha Pro, I thought now would be a good time to finally try taking a look—and to use myself a < 1331235043 971471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s an experimental subject for studying what one might call “personal analytics”." < 1331235056 238757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think he's this much of a shill 24/7? < 1331235059 172089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1331235097 943164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But what about the 1990s? Well, that was when I spent a decade as something of a hermit, working very hard on A New Kind of Science." < 1331235099 677508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't even think he's intentionally shilling < 1331235104 142883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a waste of a decade < 1331235114 365791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "self awareness" effort reminds me a bit of itidus < 1331235133 955345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nah, ANKOS introduced me to a bunch of paradigms I wouldn't know existed otherwise < 1331235147 793015 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is he saying he's going to study patterns in his own writing? < 1331235148 17369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I had to find more reliable sources about them, but just knowing they exist is good < 1331235162 266887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no, email-sending and shit < 1331235166 523823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2012/03/the-personal-analytics-of-my-life/ < 1331235193 598933 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just what time of day he sends and receives stuff? < 1331235195 918181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For many years, I’ve captured every keystroke I’ve typed" < 1331235199 274764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than email, apparently < 1331235234 625431 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day I shall publish every keystroke I've ever typed into a single book, and sell it under the title A New Kind of Novel" < 1331235245 985319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: you just made that up, right? still, it's great < 1331235246 171983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get something for vim that records every keystroke I make (except the text itself, which might contain secret sauce) < 1331235262 928374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this probably means it's quite easy to determine his password if you know where to look… < 1331235271 114857 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can tell from the first one is that he apparently goes ot sleep at 3AM. < 1331235349 668765 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for between 1996 and 2002, where he drifted later for a while and then suddenly snapped back. < 1331235389 697360 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that it's a bit fuzzier, though. < 1331235394 3728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know the Star Trek-related link that you wikified? < 1331235399 237461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not actually human-added spam? < 1331235408 507846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235417 707915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an attempt to add a specific link in an attempt to make it look ontopic? < 1331235434 161288 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-208.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331235435 368715 :Finnmark!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235439 890574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 90% sure or so < 1331235441 598570 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the motivation to spam a Wikipedia link ... < 1331235448 831153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: it links to a review of the TNG episode < 1331235449 361264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: not the Wikipedia link < 1331235451 183979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the external < 1331235452 857011 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh < 1331235460 188306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the episode is known for being especially bad or whatever < 1331235472 618578 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an amazaterrible episode 8-D < 1331235476 830782 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it well! < 1331235477 70366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not "Spock's Brain", which is famously the worst Star Wars episode ever < 1331235481 589223 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darmok and Jillad at Tinagra! < 1331235486 550189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Spock's Brain is the worst Star Wars episode < 1331235488 338283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the famousiest TNG episode, probably < 1331235494 86549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse than Attack of the Clones < 1331235499 355209 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331235502 550415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Start Trek < 1331235506 979739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Star Trek < 1331235510 213367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which is better than Stop Trek < 1331235524 770283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, (a) way too intelligently-placed for even a human spammer, < 1331235535 858540 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, that is a legit language idea, and even an esoteric one. < 1331235538 596751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) no obvious profit motive to spam that link, < 1331235539 201818 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably not realizable. < 1331235542 951322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331235547 529780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) idea is fairly well thought-out according to those who have the context < 1331235551 295588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1331235560 322296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, the user who added it isn't an IP < 1331235564 462115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has made other valid contributions < 1331235566 253715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the list of ideas < 1331235573 526882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without links < 1331235577 401731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're a spambot, they're _really_ dedicated < 1331235578 321242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm just used to Wikipedia trolls who came up with really complex and sophisticated methods of spamming that are about on a level of what I've been describing < 1331235579 602052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spamperson < 1331235598 581020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for any obvious reason, either < 1331235617 20982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, star trek (starträck) means starling droppings in swedish < 1331235642 620225 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Final Frontier ... < 1331235671 277962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[List of ideas]] is weirdly WardsWikiish < 1331235693 280569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the varying styles of writing, intermingled content-and-commentary without signatures, etc. < 1331235697 522768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1331235706 484721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's pleasantly anarchic < 1331235714 854544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should use that style of wiki more often < 1331235726 762334 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-228-70.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235739 683232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, Talk pages often end up like that on Wikipedia < 1331235754 640235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they're being periodically refactored but everyone but the person refactoring is ignoring the refactoring < 1331235762 935293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, not reverting it, just not respecting the fact it's happened) < 1331235900 963579 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-248.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331236236 316432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it might have been Chaitin who wrote that Lisp interpreter. < 1331236259 175450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And in Chapter 4 we present a register machine interpreter for this LISP, and then compile it into a diophantine equation." -- Algorithmic Information Theory by Gregory. J. Chaitin, 1987 < 1331236261 762953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Google < 1331236266 263533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that rings a bell < 1331236274 601983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't have got it without the reminder, I think < 1331236286 80614 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331236296 498660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i suddenly thinking of pavlov < 1331236301 862395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and salivating < 1331236313 502420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :diophantine equations are turing complete? < 1331236321 143064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331236331 52361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was almost a problem in my research a couple of years back < 1331236341 433602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember what they are, though I think I knew at one time < 1331236346 481717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well enough to pass the course, iirc < 1331236358 931077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me some work to prove that the suspiciously diophantine-equation-like set of inequalities I had was actually decidable < 1331236376 251861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1331236381 845792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rings a bell < 1331236383 794698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and equations concerning polynomials on multiple variables, all of which are integers < 1331236395 323952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: go swat elliott for me, will you? < 1331236406 606073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oerjan: < 1331236429 908042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i cannot do that, it was entrapment < 1331236439 305060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, olsner, you swat him then < 1331236447 338691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1331237110 689192 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@108-84-17-83.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331237184 688973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well? < 1331237285 978538 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well? < 1331237350 280590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK, olsner, you swat him then < 1331237355 71165 :Finnmark!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :y-u-no < 1331237724 940783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, apparently I've been on Reddit for a year, for the nearest day < 1331237747 587708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy cake day! < 1331237771 759077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought you'd been there longer. < 1331237790 367370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I got 16 comment karma for pointing out a respect in which Emacs and Eclipse were equally good, in the middle of what was becoming an editor war < 1331237802 328112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, because claiming that they're equally good at something doesn't annoy fanboys of either side < 1331237818 586706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1331237832 60173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was correcting an implication made by the parent comment < 1331237834 889452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 16 upvotes were from vim users who hate both emacs and eclipse < 1331237840 495226 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got a bit more karma than that for the less impressive feat of making a Christine O'Donnell < 1331237884 452656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure my last statement makes any sense < 1331237884 779555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the single comment that gave me the /most/ karma was for bashing PHP, but it still wasn't very much < 1331237888 30193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, for bashing VHDL < 1331237917 11952 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 28 karma for saying "I'm you" < 1331237935 679950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you? < 1331237964 294712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 101 karma for saying "I CAN SHARE CHEEZBURGR?". beat that, fuckers. < 1331238002 767177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my old comments are shite < 1331238014 632920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did get 1419 link karma from stealing a link from another thread, though! < 1331238022 716453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone here got over 1000 karma from one comment, IIRC < 1331238028 620931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget who or why < 1331238035 60470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the single highest-rated comment on Reddit ever, I wonder? < 1331238057 501030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget what it was, but i remember it was shit < 1331238063 961233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest-voted post of all time is the "test post please ignore" i think < 1331238092 982829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331238117 226410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1331238123 365362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it first post ever, or something? < 1331238129 4982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331238146 305401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just upvoted it because it told people to ignore it and because qgyh2 posted it < 1331238152 803184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1331238155 374959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's qgyh2? < 1331238168 455036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the highest-karma users on reddit, the highest a few years ago iirc < 1331238181 462437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/92dd8/test_post_please_ignore/c0b6xx0 is a comment at 6356 points, that has to be one of the top comments < 1331238188 629669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something weirdly circular about upvoting someone because they have high karma < 1331238197 522245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, what's the picture (and is it SFW)? < 1331238219 347292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what picture? < 1331238226 554675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's in r/pics < 1331238239 383825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qgyh2 is a mod of /r/pics < 1331238241 448456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assumed the post was at least vaguely ontopic < 1331238248 253840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the comment itself, but the post it was attached to < 1331238254 595120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, test posts for a subreddit generally go in that subreddit < 1331238273 560363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and it was a self-post, so he got no karma for it :) < 1331238275 332929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a test /post/, not test comment? < 1331238285 405823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why aren't self-posts worth karma? < 1331238316 467130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because "UPVOTE IF DSKLSDJFLKSDFJ;" and all that kind of shit are self-posts < 1331238343 568234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely making them worth karma would encourage people not to upvote them? < 1331238343 754223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPVOTE IF YOU BREATHE OXYGEN < 1331238372 224690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, highly-rated YouTube comments are often hilariously insightful parodies of the whole YouTube comment thing < 1331238379 728127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo hilariously insightful < 1331238387 878153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by /YouTube/ standards < 1331238388 970442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, people upvote them no matter what, because reddit is full of idiots < 1331238404 993302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1331238408 268330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly stay confined to proggit < 1331238422 37040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally r/nethack, if we're trying to do an announcement there < 1331238459 348067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proggit is probably the least terrible of all the popular subreddits < 1331238471 534448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they try and talk about non-tech-related things < 1331238475 126766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory is any subreddit larger than about 10000 subscribers will turn into a meme fest unless heavily moderated < 1331238517 572745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is proggit on the default front page? < 1331238537 749915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not for the past few years, I think < 1331238554 130189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proggit's comments are rather low-quality usually < 1331238560 930705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :359k subscribers < 1331238565 32343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think r/science is the only front page subreddit i still read < 1331238568 796686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's questionable how many of those actually pay attention to it < 1331238571 79627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it used to be default < 1331238587 829207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not /r/askscience too? oh, wait, they got taken off < 1331238602 320377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: proggit's comments are typically low-quality but there are frequently high-quality ones there too < 1331238613 801455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they asked to be since it was becoming too shitty for the mods to handle thanks to the traffic) < 1331238618 140978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's more pronounced in Slashdot, which almost always eventually ends up with a few excellent comments < 1331238626 820161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't follow askscience but i thought that was better due to particularly heavy moderation? < 1331238649 752696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps even they couldn't handle being frontpage < 1331238666 866424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they delete comments in almost every thread < 1331238869 244959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/667/The_Mystery_of_the_Duqu_Framework fancy < 1331238964 489520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagrant 1.0 released! (vagrantup.com) < 1331238966 993464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO FORKED MY ROGUELIKE < 1331239110 600080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought of your roguelike too < 1331239116 887541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, but what it is is actually moderately interesting < 1331239168 42315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Vagrant actually looks useful, I've seen it before < 1331239612 64412 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331239875 610993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331239950 674553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL.js: SQLite Compiled to JavaScript via Emscripten (badassjs.com) < 1331239954 475483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS < 1331240237 478404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, now we can run it in the JS interp that's embedded in PHP! < 1331240346 621716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a binding to V8 < 1331240356 414846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ridiculous thing about that is that PHP bundles all its external library bindings < 1331240438 882528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331240632 445374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a chess variant called Pole Chess. There is an extra piece called a pole which starts off-board. It can move to any vacant cell as a turn, but cannot capture or be captured. < 1331240638 11523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240644 5796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240655 795294 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240661 967397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our moves still took the existence of the pole (off-board) into consideration for out strategies. < 1331240672 33999 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchy chorus you have there < 1331240703 376490 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should work on your rhymes though < 1331240707 33966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331240715 577305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's gotta record that < 1331240804 847220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not trying to make a chorus; I made a mistake in entering the message < 1331240813 305771 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1331240817 327577 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i misunderstood. < 1331240857 138967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a chorus now < 1331241084 857679 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you write the verses as well? < 1331241170 629416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the verses are everything else he's said today < 1331241181 850694 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331241189 987094 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you record them? < 1331241197 574355 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sing them and put a beat under it. < 1331241201 652602 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sell it < 1331241210 686689 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 gets nothing because he doesn't want money < 1331241755 501173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331242495 542961 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1331242501 631028 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1331242759 634205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: There are no verses. And I do not have the microphone on my computer. < 1331244129 602353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331244734 600551 :y-u-no!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1331244822 644781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1331245182 813064 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331245213 887057 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331245318 284347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331245506 892270 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331245515 723636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331245682 453046 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331245728 97105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331246233 180073 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331246848 149191 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331247929 835827 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331247933 148540 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331248111 480806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331248286 681535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331248304 21230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331248552 352460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331249410 953660 :GULPF!d5723659@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.54.89 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331249433 89173 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the phrase "Matalii ja Mustii" mean, if anything? < 1331249621 131942 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spoken-language version of “matalia ja mustia” which means “low and black [ones]”. < 1331249623 382591 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :short and black < 1331249700 893478 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@108-84-17-83.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net QUIT : < 1331250942 8367 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1331250944 306969 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sinister. < 1331250946 21059 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1331251269 700104 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the partitive case of "shallow and spot" < 1331251282 148298 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where spot means the dog < 1331251308 4524 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1331251308 908476 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shallows < 1331251341 285668 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shallows meaning shallows spots in a body of water) < 1331251461 500129 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a popular finnish game where you get on a boat with our family and throw the family dog and your kids in the water. the game is that you try to shoow the family dog before your kids find a shallow spot. if they can't find one fast enough, they drown and you shoot the dog, otherwise everyone's safe < 1331251472 713246 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it sounds cruel but it's actually a lot of fun < 1331251485 82754 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hate your life and are a sociopath with a shotgun < 1331251495 31441 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very sleepy. < 1331251517 753516 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shoot < 1331251565 730720 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pun not intended with shallow spot vs. dog name spot. didn't even notice that, i'm very tired. < 1331251592 979214 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we use the partitive because you cut them into pieces if they lose < 1331251636 306644 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they win, you cut them into peace easy, which sounds like a good thing < 1331251641 18374 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*peace ease < 1331251655 873084 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this one time there was cheese < 1331251803 991651 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric < 1331251824 732306 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel partially responsible for that < 1331251883 227347 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what i should say next < 1331251886 337936 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about clocks < 1331251889 144726 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's too easy < 1331251895 177157 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll talk about feelings < 1331251926 878877 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feelings are interesting because while they don't really have physical form, you can still "eat them", i'm sure you know which idiom i'm referring to < 1331251942 158060 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably stems from some sort of conspiracies in history when i was going to sleep < 1331251944 48719 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1331253164 439762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331253695 430999 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331254405 927125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the Bible ever been translated into Egyptian hieroglyphics? < 1331254452 753060 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1331254516 472831 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably much of the Torah is. < 1331254519 224099 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has been < 1331254544 719105 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more likely into hieratics, but same idea. < 1331254545 753741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bible was written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, man! < 1331254718 815120 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a bad joke by the way, I don't think the Torah has been translated into ancient Egyptian ;) ) < 1331254973 450723 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the texts probably did have origins in Egyptian ideas. However, what I mean is the modern text, including the New Testament as well. There are probably are Ehyptian texts with similar ideas to texts in the Bible; but that is not what I meant. < 1331255674 62628 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331255716 999867 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331255737 477998 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331255935 87618 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331255972 67806 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331256541 772731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ping < 1331256792 6809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong; just got home from work. < 1331256940 285771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, do you have to do anything special to get Quod Libet playing gapless? < 1331257352 62486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know if there is ephemeris software which includes rotation of objects other than the Earth. < 1331257410 52090 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: stellarium includes jupiters great red spot.. is that what you mean? < 1331257411 215401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Pingping. < 1331257428 824814 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (so you can figure out when it'll be visible) < 1331257466 602274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That would be one example, I suppose. < 1331257490 412248 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and it might do other planets as well, but I don't know their surface features well enough to say for sure < 1331257701 401838 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing special. < 1331257742 243557 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well I was curious so I fast-forwarded on mars.. it spun the planet, so I'm assuming yes < 1331257793 203126 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what project are you planning? < 1331257834 770496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yay, thanks. < 1331257891 332140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're unlucky, though, GStreamer will have a bug preventing gapless FLAC. < 1331257910 208725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fixed in latest GStreamer, though) < 1331258029 783433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect Arch has a new enough GStreamer to avoid that. < 1331258033 92733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is indeed FLACs I'm playing. < 1331258325 859052 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could delete quotlibet and install xmms! < 1331258336 995782 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeew, xmms. < 1331258352 930744 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be saner to install Winamp 2 in WINE. Surprisingly. < 1331258371 955324 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the computational class of Common Lisp FORMAT strings? < 1331258375 980568 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanity is for wussies < 1331258384 430261 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :TARPIT-HARD < 1331258405 727123 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually by this channel's standards, probably tarpit-medium < 1331258430 808833 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked in #lisp if it's TC, they said no < 1331258437 446956 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, one person said no. < 1331258455 636437 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine it's at minimum a FSM. < 1331258459 544734 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that I'm excluding ~/ < 1331258513 465135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I do not need a picture of the planets. I intend something superior to Astrolog, with more coordinate systems, and more other stuff too including custom orbital parameters (Astrolog has these but in a very limited way), and a few features Swiss Ephemeris also appears to lack. However, apparent diameters would be useful, but photographs are unnecessary. < 1331258533 542160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Hey, xmms2 ain't bad. < 1331258537 453577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmms1 otoh... < 1331258565 77568 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such things as refraction are also useful to have here; as well as switching on/off various things such as annual aberration of light, and finite speed of light, etc) < 1331258627 239047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Swiss Ephemeris has some of these features, but not all.) < 1331258640 956605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you omit a number, I assume xmms1. < 1331258649 347979 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well maybe it's just me, but if it can produce a pic of the planet spinning then it did the calculation in the stellarium code somewhere < 1331258650 666930 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus my response. < 1331258660 906385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XMMS wasn't too bad. In 2000. < 1331258677 653815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's over half my lifetime ago. < 1331258726 962637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes that may be the case. However, is there any standard zero longitude defined on the planets other than the Earth? < 1331258755 438458 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: guess you'd have to look and see < 1331258771 590129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Don't think so. We'd need to get the British to set up shop on each one for that to happen. < 1331258783 359071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we can have Martian Greenwich Mean Time. < 1331258827 330465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean not only the planets, but also the Moon and Sun, and also dwarf planets. < 1331258949 114018 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331259011 142275 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331259085 52365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we know the objects and the rotations of each one, we can make up coordinates for locations on the surface of the planets, and local ecliptic and local equatorial celestial coordinates relative to those planets, and timezones, and houses relative to those planets. < 1331259114 96736 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as where the local tropics are) < 1331259125 68868 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a few other things too) < 1331259159 60318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Question: Who thought it was a good idea to put any user interface (e.g., dials) on the back of a device which is intended to be operated facing forwards? < 1331259165 31813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how can I reeducate them? < 1331259194 782163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. The only form of UI that makes sense there is the sort that you literally do not need to look at at all. < 1331259208 319385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say. R and L *buttons* on a controller. < 1331259227 360514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo 64 has the Z button on the back. < 1331259234 287136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's because they believe the configuration is a rare task, or the back will be readily-accessible even if it involves going 'round to the cables. < 1331259240 688218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are dumb. < 1331259250 310566 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you mean something that's not even hand-held? < 1331259253 853589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1331259255 115398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retarded! < 1331259255 302196 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331259272 454532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: if you just turn it around to do it, you won't be able to tell if you set it right or not, so you just have to lean over it. < 1331259291 279648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus to the bonus: It has sharp corners. < 1331259299 917856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like my hands back. < 1331259307 854050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I was looking for, is glyphs for all the dwarf planets in our solar system; some of them do not yet have glyphs (one does not yet have a name; and it should probably be named first before a glyph is assigned) < 1331259617 197127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2007 OR10 lacks a name.) < 1331259717 408940 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you have to actually see the dial itself? < 1331259834 580660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Who said I do? < 1331259880 818122 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess physically reaching it is difficult? < 1331259925 796363 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a telescope? < 1331259927 806382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not impossible, but I do have to move it slightly and lean over, leading to awkwardness and aforementioned sharp corner nicks. < 1331259999 222803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: No, I don't. But even if I did, that wouldn't help me to name 2007 OR10 or assign glyphs or anything. < 1331260021 912978 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just trying to understand your interest in celestial mechanics < 1331260040 993921 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purpose of writing computer programs. < 1331260069 896726 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do sometimes look at the stars and moon and so on outside; but I have no telescope) < 1331260113 584881 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to write a program to use a wii remote to help me aim my scope < 1331260131 698500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Bluetooth in your computer? < 1331260135 574805 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still need to figure out the math < 1331260151 896442 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I was envisioning using my phone < 1331260203 31585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog does have many features; but some features are lacked, such as GPS input, and negative harmonic factors. < 1331260366 135283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason I want glyphs for the dwarf planets is for purpose of including them on diagrams. There are many kinds of diagrams which you might want them on) < 1331260392 533494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, it is only the certain and nearly certain ones which I am interested in.) < 1331260451 646678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331260454 547617 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, have you ever tried a Lisp? < 1331260515 964680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: No. < 1331260718 544848 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett update < 1331260769 163234 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merci. < 1331260819 181012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331260837 386732 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, update < 1331260843 383153 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you even see the flash yet? < 1331260941 273342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331261455 487194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331262748 671021 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I don't think I care for Polynomial. < 1331262763 978663 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ought to be designed in such a way that it doesn't *matter* which way the instructions are executed. < 1331262809 659143 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polynomial? < 1331262833 91615 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/Polynomial or summat. < 1331263025 949203 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. The page "Pure BF" looks sort of familiar. Almost as if I had written it or something. < 1331263026 485157 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :register += 0 is not representable in Polynomial? < 1331263156 323519 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. Multiply the polynomial by 4. < 1331265985 724494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331266002 219336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: So did your interview get published? < 1331266084 665393 :deadlocked!~deadlocke@unaffiliated/deadlocked JOIN :#esoteric < 1331266212 312224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome deadlocked < 1331266220 411192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlocked: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331266893 51545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think deadlocked feels welcome enough. < 1331267017 444555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a `WELCOME which welcomes someone IN CAPS. < 1331267041 518675 :deadlocked!~deadlocke@unaffiliated/deadlocked PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thannks for the welcome. < 1331267225 221313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1331267323 719096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/WELCOME; echo "welcome \"\$@\" | perl -ne 'print lc(\$_)'" >>bin/WELCOME < 1331267326 715972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331267328 324426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/WELCOME < 1331267331 515983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331267332 810174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME ION < 1331267336 881497 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! for more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/main_page < 1331267341 729953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1331267346 564497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quite a spectacular failure. < 1331267355 41009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/WELCOME; echo "welcome \"\$@\" | perl -ne 'print uc(\$_)'" >>bin/WELCOME; chmod +x `which WELCOME` < 1331267358 181724 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331267362 178624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME ION < 1331267365 768192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ION: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331267370 761828 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\O/ < 1331267373 942268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331267381 932558 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME lowerelliott < 1331267384 975088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWERELLIOTT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331267386 869961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this more appropriately conveys the sinister hostility which underlies our initially seemingly-benign welcomings. < 1331267503 187385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. < 1331267513 637463 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL are case sensitive < 1331267591 339445 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the wiki part is < 1331267601 6886 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, both parts are. < 1331267611 305202 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by both, I am excluding esolangs.org < 1331267611 491761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I COULD MAKE /WIKI/ BE A MIRROR OF THE WIKI WITH ALL THE TEXT TRANSLATED TO UPPERCASE. < 1331267615 767134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URI scheme and domain name is case insensitive, but the rest is case sensitive. < 1331267620 843977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WOULD BE COOL. < 1331267624 215433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN FACT, I AM NOW SORELY TEMPTED TO DO THAT. < 1331267641 284327 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT, THAT WIKI WILL BE A FALSE WIKI, FOR THOSE LANGUAGE WHICH ARE CASE SENSITIVE < 1331267649 495423 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ANY < 1331267668 43746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE, PERHAPS, BUT WHO WILL QUESTION A WIKI THAT SHOUTS THAT LOUD < 1331267722 588849 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org will still show up as lowercase in most browsers' address bars? < 1331267729 744515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331267735 844758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY, THE MAIN PROBLEM I CAN SEE IS THAT IT'S FIDDLY TO DETERMINE WHICH PARTS TO UPPERCASE, HTML-WISE. < 1331267761 10342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE RELIABLE THING WOULD BE TO MAKE A NEW LANGUAGE IN THE MEDIAWIKI INSTALLATION IDENTICAL TO THE ENGLISH ONE BUT WITH ALL THE TEXT UPPERCASED, AND WRITE AN EXTENSION TO FILTER THE TITLE AND PAGE TEXT BEFORE OUTPUTTING, BUT FUCK THAT NOISE. < 1331267774 951432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK IT, I'LL DO IT SOME OTHER TIME. < 1331267901 36936 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331267954 57770 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＯＫＡＹ　：－（ < 1331267989 803284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it's possible to make a language out of nothing but threads and mutexes < 1331267992 50548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so bold I can't read. < 1331268001 356200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Makes me think of the pi calculus. < 1331268144 604724 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1331268164 424896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, because that just has concurrent communicating processes (~ threads). < 1331268172 480248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do the lambda calculus with it. < 1331268218 803682 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1331268240 834366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want the pthreads to pi calculus' Erlang. :p < 1331268510 683336 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... was thinking of making a language with only the bad parts of c++ :D < 1331268621 762436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome foo | perl -CS -Mutf8 -Mlocale -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/' < 1331268625 117873 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ｆｏｏ：　Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ　ｔｏ　ｔｈｅ　ｉｎｔｅｒｎａｔｉｏｎａｌ　ｈｕｂ　ｆｏｒ　ｅｓｏｔｅｒｉｃ　ｐｒｏｇｒａｍｍｉｎｇ　ｌａｎｇｕａｇｅ　ｄｅｓｉｇｎ　ａｎｄ　ｄｅｐｌｏｙｍｅｎｔ！　Ｆｏｒ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｉｎｆｏｒｍａｔｉｏｎ，　ｃｈｅｃｋ　ｏｕｔ　ｏｕｒ　ｗｉｋｉ：　ｈｔｔｐ：／／ｅｓｏｌａｎｇｓ．ｏｒ < 1331268690 21448 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, i meant to drop -Mlocale, it isn’t needed. < 1331268803 319446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have those fonts. :( < 1331268805 365407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What fonts do I need? < 1331268835 934377 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, whatever Ubuntu has by default. :-P < 1331268898 594015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something for Japanese. < 1331268902 722062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't peg you as an Ubuntu user. < 1331268908 962621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for Mincho and Gothic. < 1331268909 989072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'll install whatever they were called. < 1331268928 505549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh - not takao? < 1331269027 646863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mincho and Gothic are *types* of font. < 1331269032 986179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takao should do you fine. < 1331269071 678356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes - now why doesn't Arch have it. < 1331269084 188970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh - AUR. < 1331269088 367295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of dashes today, I'm. < 1331269116 997458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: If not Takao, what would be a good choice of (non-bitmap) Japanese fonts? < 1331269168 266385 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | grep ttf | cut -d' ' -f4 | xargsttf-dejavu-core ttf-freefont ttf-indic-fonts-core ttf-kacst-one ttf-khmeros-core ttf-lao ttf-liberation ttf-punjabi-fonts ttf-takao-pgothic ttf-thai-tlwg ttf-ubuntu-font-family ttf-unfonts-core ttf-wqy-microhei < 1331269180 209041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Ubuntu does Takao. < 1331269221 990005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kochi Mincho? < 1331269351 690130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Nunavut in the repositories, either. < 1331269355 543117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll AUR me some Takao. < 1331269378 837694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Canadian territories are my new phonetic slang source.) < 1331269388 938207 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was explanatory. http://static.lukew.com/japantype_mincho_gothic.gif < 1331269391 207933 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using Meiryo, but that's certainly not in the repos, in part due to being illegal without a license for Microsoft Windows
< 1331269416 16553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yup, all you need to know right there. < 1331269422 965350 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ilari a regular here? < 1331269426 997963 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is ilari a regular? < 1331269436 895553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilari was a regular here... < 1331269451 783556 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to have been in #x264 regularly, though. < 1331269459 780580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari was a regular here but stopped being here ~two years ago. < 1331269473 681140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it was more recent than that. < 1331269479 24524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have been one year. < 1331269491 328345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell by the lack of IP attrition updates. < 1331269502 774536 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has NetHack open on termcast.org for some reason < 1331269503 281912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the ticking of a clock, you only notice it's gone minutes too late. < 1331269510 983767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of people termcast NetHack. < 1331269512 964924 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP attrition updates? < 1331269547 107446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, IPv4 run out and all that. < 1331269552 929657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IPv6 sort of had tiny little nibbles taken out of it. < 1331269568 468305 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, RIPE depletion estimated at 2013-03-16. APNIC depleted nearly a year ago. < 1331269586 45655 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1331269599 132727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that causing problems in AP? < 1331269607 92488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's enough layers that it hasn't really hurt anyone yet. < 1331269643 460732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not hurting in Asia quite as hard as it would anywhere else. < 1331269653 718130 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of their ISPs have offered home IPv6 since 2000. < 1331269655 75679 :deadlocked!~deadlocke@unaffiliated/deadlocked PART #esoteric :"Me fui..." < 1331269658 469445 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, misparsed IP as intellectual property < 1331269667 673028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're running out of intellectual property! < 1331269670 480383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon there'll be no more ideas. < 1331269673 269335 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“imaginary property”, FTFY. < 1331269679 85837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Thanks, Stallman. < 1331269693 279993 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats some foot dirt
< 1331269701 103334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lord knows all we have to do is to get people to stop saying IP and copyright will DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT. < 1331269752 204741 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intellectual Protocol. Internet Property. < 1331269770 392034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw someone expand PIPA as "Protect Internet Privacy Act".
< 1331269775 292735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're still going through 1.34 /8s per month. < 1331269791 943840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, you know... "Act" is right. < 1331269796 810605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're not *completely* wrong. < 1331269815 352811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the first letter of each word is also correct. < 1331269832 750768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true! < 1331269838 16972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very true. < 1331269841 903847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were actually quite right indeed. < 1331269852 274730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are still wrong in general. < 1331269854 325473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the large amount of wrong they also were drowned out recognition of this. < 1331269871 221276 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wikipedias
< 1331269885 625190 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing Intellectual Property Act? < 1331269888 92749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act. < 1331269889 285121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH. < 1331269894 548572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P stands for PROTECT. < 1331269901 231298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which stands for the first n words of that expansion. < 1331269914 318507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who gets paid to come up with backronyms for bills. < 1331269919 161091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATRIOT Act and all that. < 1331269924 778627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bills? Is it a bill? I don't know "law". < 1331269933 521943 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when my intellectual property is stolen. I wish they’d just copy it. < 1331269971 723560 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I think you're going to kill me. < 1331269995 510174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Someone broke into my stereo the other day and stole my music with that "mp3" thing. < 1331269999 553405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Linux. :( < 1331269999 740409 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Antiposeball-5-SAVE-PRIMS-ON-FURNITURE/219014 < 1331270021 98742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a bill until it gets signed into law. So, yes, "bills" would be right. < 1331270030 890367 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331270040 870190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does it become Ballmer? < 1331270051 875263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIРA Is a Рecursive Acronym < 1331270067 996724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331270083 999403 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When someone throws a chair across Congress. < 1331270111 634841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when that someone says "Developers developers developers developers" < 1331270146 53640 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331270157 835441 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word Ballmer looks a bit like pallomeri, which is Finnish for a ball pit, and which translates literally to a sea of balls. < 1331270226 421544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: For certain values of a bit. < 1331270237 547206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I suppose it has at least 1 bit in common. < 1331270281 365299 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it also have 0 bit in common? < 1331270290 316932 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those are both true then it has both bits in common. < 1331270355 555585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1331270496 141065 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331270686 804354 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331271699 859169 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1331272475 71755 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331274224 85679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331274249 164697 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1331274292 584929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1331274598 835535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331274599 362377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also we use the partitive because you cut them into pieces if they lose < 1331274635 487754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: more disturbing than usual < 1331274688 427132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:/ is/ < 1331274919 214616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan! im tired oerjan! < 1331274930 736086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott! go to bed elliott! < 1331274942 60709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan! what < 1331274950 177397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO. TO. BED. < 1331274973 303102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant hear you < 1331275011 215694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ____ ___ _____ ___ ____ _____ ____ < 1331275011 402152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / ___|/ _ \ |_ _/ _ \ | __ )| ____| _ \ < 1331275011 402329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | _| | | | | || | | | | _ \| _| | | | | < 1331275011 402446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |_| | |_| | | || |_| | | |_) | |___| |_| | < 1331275011 402552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \____|\___/ |_| \___/ |____/|_____|____/ < 1331275046 301234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331275051 798791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just ridiculous. < 1331275056 345844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only 6:37. < 1331275077 464468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's ridiculous if you _haven't_ been up all night. < 1331275113 779499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have that. < 1331275136 556723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe i will. WE'LL SEE. < 1331275157 430332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent maybe < 1331275531 720937 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is recommended that a report message be a complete sentences, in the proper case and correctly punctuated." < 1331275557 398055 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/09_acaa.htm < 1331275558 72782 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rokostaa mutaa mi elejästyty jo rammastulo ei ava luonen. < 1331275587 323362 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Google Translate got out of that was "not already opened" < 1331275601 878048 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-228-70.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331275672 399406 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "ava" is a Finnish word. I didn't know that. < 1331275691 429819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: asdfl;;gskhh;g;j'fd'h < 1331275704 391168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ewoufhwrqølbre < 1331275718 80107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ;_; < 1331275736 50233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im cry. < 1331275743 475940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you cry at the mighty ølbre < 1331275754 65725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would mean beer glacier) < 1331275775 611224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crey. < 1331275783 41351 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-63.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331275855 805275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: grey crey teyrs. < 1331275868 426992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o my sads. < 1331275871 102949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a grey? that would so explain things. < 1331275893 660386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what seems to be problem, actually? except that you should GO TO BED? < 1331275898 431214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the teyrs are grey. < 1331275904 413588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what the problem is < 1331275907 765637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i remember now < 1331275914 281972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) i don't want to sleep < 1331275920 204146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) i don't want to stay awake < 1331275922 917560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) oops < 1331275929 245143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) i can't number lists < 1331275939 556917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a seems a bit ambivalent there < 1331275974 676983 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't lucid dream if you don't sleep. < 1331275980 669213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ü) these things hit the unicode singularity too fast < 1331276000 785610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant lucid dream if i do sleep take that science < 1331276004 784572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`":(" -science < 1331276008 819239 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ":(": not found < 1331276022 647881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucida sans sleep < 1331276038 536378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite font < 1331276040 119470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucida sans souci < 1331276047 475007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*favr'ort < 1331276093 123684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point i realised the swamming pool was a pool... for the dead < 1331276112 105981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pool in the dead < 1331276152 672222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1331276176 637918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRR < 1331276178 926459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely suspect the idiom actually has "pull" < 1331276185 88588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it. < 1331276239 217968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Tomt] Chocolatey hazelnut spread? (self.tipofmytongue) < 1331276239 440977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the title i thought i would finally be able to answer one of these. < 1331276241 143410 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you don't go to sleep, I'll be forced to force you to learn Falcon < 1331276348 76077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does the text say "its definitely not nutella"? < 1331276382 610197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives enough details to rule out nutella < 1331276388 483881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or is it "pour on" dammit i cannot find it < 1331276393 640786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop on the dead < 1331276656 338044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the FUCK do you spell tennessee < 1331276988 323272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think the problem with sleep is that you can revise a decision to stay awake on a minute-to-minute basis, which isn't possible with a decision to go to sleep. thus the decision to stay awake seems to be less risky. < 1331277008 371630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1331277009 816239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say < 1331277011 249917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the busienss < 1331277022 489645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with the logic but sleep isn't logical. < 1331277058 920436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i was using sleep as a shorthand for "the decision-making process when tired at a bad time" < 1331277073 219502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the most intuitive abbreviation i have ever made. < 1331277099 18156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd say < 1331277199 413149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh. < 1331277206 38724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i sleep now, i'll just wake up at 4 pm again. < 1331277360 184897 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-224-100.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331277372 678035 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331277725 709755 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you don't sleep now, you'll just wake up at 16 again, but feeling grumpy. < 1331278366 435707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331278553 244874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-17.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331278560 996089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-224-100.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331280313 29668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331280340 509575 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331281571 881975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-230-17.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331281575 836202 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-123.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331283377 253204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-14.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331283423 598496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-123.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331283879 371602 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331284179 791448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331284266 985078 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-64.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331284287 547615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331286054 55186 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331286362 808851 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-64.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331286369 240271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331286727 387238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lather < 1331289328 569758 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331289335 100770 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331289616 739378 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331289698 211380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-5.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331289702 171230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-140.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331290844 375858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make "where is my keys soup"? < 1331291002 11262 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331291066 319423 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331293289 106020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331293598 133684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331293629 174214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331293633 418875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1331293633 645008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331293753 345264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1331293933 248812 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331294186 277155 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-149.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331294198 941227 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-5.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331295763 696624 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331296105 209641 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Has the Bible ever been translated into Egyptian hieroglyphics?" <<< did you know egyptians were giant aliens who invented electricity and disproved evolution _by their mere existence_? < 1331296154 805740 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was blind but now i have youtube < 1331296568 965366 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331297766 648776 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-195.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bible has probably been translated in hieroglyphics. < 1331297774 611103 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-195.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an egyptian translation of Peter Rabbit < 1331298094 98740 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331299264 141679 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43534.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331299853 113181 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331300402 260155 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43534.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331300467 204617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331300649 540602 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331301712 244055 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db41764.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331301946 332166 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331302242 638161 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331303799 359175 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331303967 86766 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331304095 124684 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331305115 168585 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1331306168 389200 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331306172 13973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331307557 464359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there math symbols for if/while? < 1331308029 494274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if can be a large { with alternatives written behind < 1331308070 942667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while is an imperative thing, so not likely in math < 1331308089 937445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except as a synonym for if < 1331308152 414776 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331308183 435340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If in maths isn't like the imperative thing either; it's a case statement. < 1331308196 131565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Haskell-style case statement, that is. < 1331308203 877948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1331308215 158003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haskell guys shouldn't have implemented if :( < 1331308218 517618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like guards, i think < 1331308253 810832 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331309522 34771 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Iverson bracket? < 1331309549 172733 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P ? a : b is translated to [P] a + [not P] b < 1331311279 395544 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331312022 31971 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331312170 314823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curiously discovers that Google seems to have missed the english wikipedia's article on Nam June Paik entirely
< 1331312268 702576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it must somehow have returned an error when they crawled... < 1331312427 548738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's an evil north korean scheme. take your pick. < 1331313073 605031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331313099 23455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-149.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331313117 571523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they censored it. < 1331313122 234723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like they sometimes do. < 1331313141 769450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only on the _english_ wikipedia. < 1331313143 605504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They censored the google trends once. < 1331315305 499571 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331315563 182103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331315588 534975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, eff got static types < 1331315637 453856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331315639 740461 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh eff, got static types" < 1331315648 955736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331315659 551887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Keep talkin', JavaScripter < 1331315664 991944 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1331315674 198747 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on his fez.
< 1331315693 244984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YER INTERVIEW GET PUBLICATED < 1331315751 937034 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. < 1331315758 104281 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor have I received a response. < 1331316833 733838 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what interview? < 1331316885 139165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship is interviewing for a job. < 1331316888 836647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the FBI. < 1331317130 569839 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331317167 457388 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://codu.org/tmp/answers.txt <-- here are the questions the FBI asked me, and my answers. < 1331317228 260095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Interviews 3.0. < 1331317239 540009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 was those stupid fucking puzzle questions, 3.0 is asking you about hats. < 1331317405 718176 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1331317675 344581 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331317891 545513 :Canadarm!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331320001 177123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-104.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331320056 377084 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331320302 296966 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-218.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331320343 952841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-104.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331320718 660677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they ask questions about batman? < 1331320749 586283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Security. < 1331320753 289172 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychological examination. < 1331320783 505087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1331320804 771734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my answers would have been: "That information is private. It's non of your business" :) < 1331320816 868483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you don't have a job at the FBI. < 1331321025 215712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around here employees are actually not allowed to ask non-related questions. < 1331321045 186660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM "employers" < 1331321083 751770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeh. < 1331321088 469124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course :) < 1331321098 366651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel compelled to point out that Friendship did not actually interview with the FBI. < 1331321124 651194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes the interview only weirder. < 1331321142 446225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the interview itself is not real. < 1331321148 818413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make Friendship only weirder. < 1331321153 636555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's real. < 1331321242 175029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does the formatting of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Qdeql#Computational_capability look good? i'm not sure if i did something too hairy to be portable. < 1331321296 832884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a little wider than i like, but i think that's necessary to show it properly.) < 1331321316 164910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assuming that's what it's meant to look like, it looks what it's meant to look like < 1331321325 5413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1331321327 17744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code with fewer lines would be better if it was at the top of the cells < 1331321329 462112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1331321335 492279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1331321338 813675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, since you have a rowspan < 1331321366 174089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the rows in a column are related < 1331321377 749914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "Factory" heading meant to be a table heading? iirc mediawiki has special syntax for htat < 1331321378 672281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1331321396 397043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i wondered if i should use |+ < 1331321423 630205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was scaled down from an even larger table where factory was a subcolumn < 1331321433 172344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331321523 918833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a lot of the qdeql commands are supposed to line up with the cell contents they affect < 1331321551 657289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, they do. < 1331321559 102215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1331321560 148349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's meant to line up like that. < 1331321565 792965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a screenshot would be helpful :P) < 1331321571 704824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331321611 721272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i do that again < 1331321627 668387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...alt+print scr? < 1331321635 97494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint -> ctrl+v -> ctrl+s < 1331321646 23536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think XP paint can save as png. < 1331321733 348247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've also forgotten where i uploaded last time < 1331321799 77961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm that was meant as a question < 1331321996 273828 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331322053 583751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was doing other things :P < 1331322055 542715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur.com? < 1331322055 781922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vY3pndA < 1331322061 872827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ompldr works to < 1331322062 462051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1331322085 991067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep, looks right < 1331322090 394481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not off the edge of the page :P < 1331322112 793772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my browser not to cover all of my irc session < 1331322126 583258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i keep it a little unmaximal < 1331322130 702683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ized < 1331322179 520947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The programming language [[Clojure]] uses a [[Persistent data structure|persistent]] variant of hash array mapped tries for its native hash map type.[http://github.com/richhickey/clojure/blob/14316ae2110a779ffc8ac9c3da3f1c41852c4289/src/jvm/clojure/lang/PersistentHashMap.java Java source file of Clojure's hash map type.] < 1331322188 788652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... an acceptable citation? < 1331322194 83909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinketh not
< 1331322201 543980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unthinkethable < 1331322392 651872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_with_unsourced_statements < 1331322393 673714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Administrators: Please do not delete this category even if it is empty! < 1331322393 882359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This category may be empty occasionally or even most of the time." < 1331322395 444602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... sure. < 1331322412 107408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimists < 1331322504 981215 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GUYS < 1331322510 490624 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stabyourself.net/mari0/ < 1331322774 824753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was going to play that. < 1331322781 530484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it has Linux. < 1331322824 699178 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's F/OSS too, as is the engine that runs it. < 1331322848 101059 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that statement was only half as silly as it sounds. < 1331322866 463590 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it comes with two map packs, and I recommend you play the non-Mario one. < 1331322876 301517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know of L\"OVE. < 1331322911 66234 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOEVE < 1331322925 999291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331322930 616622 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things it comes with include: RAINBOW DASH < 1331322944 322091 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is Mari0
< 1331324405 651729 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db41764.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331324598 606054 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331324659 456720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Why are you claiming that you have a bijection between a countable set and an uncountable set? < 1331324994 413517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1331325042 13112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/qn7nk/whats_the_most_clever_piece_of_haskell_code_you/ < 1331325142 787015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> type Cantor = Natural -> Bit < 1331325143 580392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `type' < 1331325155 614433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely offhand, isn't that non-equivalent to R? < 1331325192 846744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cantor set has the same cardinality as R. < 1331325195 98012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's equivalent. < 1331325200 925703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the function "binary digit at position N". < 1331325208 139588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an infinite stream of bits. < 1331325215 150374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeahyeahyeah, I get that, but something something something computability. < 1331325231 425855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Haskell can't prove that all functions are computable. < 1331325241 582305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a property of the source encoding we use for Haskell programs. < 1331325257 944987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what do you mean "Haskell can't prove". < 1331325259 896611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can prove there are a countable number of Haskell programs, but not that there are a countable number of Haskell functions. < 1331325277 387272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Haskell function if not a Haskell program? < 1331325278 586040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As in, from inside Haskell, not all functions are necessarily computable. < 1331325298 665635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For example, you can use Cantor's diagonal argument in Coq. < 1331325306 81125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but where is "inside Haskell"? (I'm not trying to be obtuse here.) < 1331325308 692946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the sets in question are "countable" from the outside. < 1331325327 226637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Haskell" makes more sense if you think of like "In Coq"; "inside" the system. < 1331325345 731567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Like, e.g. Godel's theorem says you can't prove consistency and completeness "inside" a system. < 1331325354 949927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can read "in Coq" as "in the C-H logic corresponding to Coq". < 1331325368 28382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logic corresponding to Haskell isn't a very interesting thing to be inside. < 1331325417 319925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might not be being deliberately obtuse, but you are being kinda dense. < 1331325428 568766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed Haskell's type system is a consistent logic. < 1331325467 655482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact is, (Nat -> Bool) has a greater cardinality than Nat, even if you can prove otherwise based on external factors like program encoding. < 1331325477 141390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously a Haskell function is not a Haskell program. < 1331325480 522217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you did; I said why I was having trouble going from Coq to Haskell. < 1331325481 712268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primitives, for instance, aren't Haskell prorgams. < 1331325511 557584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is the reason I study :) < 1331325535 380834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: diagonalise :: ((Nat -> Bool) -> Nat) -> (Nat -> Bool); diagonalise counter = counter (\n -> not (counter n n)) < 1331325553 542187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my study does not start until in three years. < 1331325558 933732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Give this function a proof that (Nat -> Bool) is countable, and it'll give you a (Nat -> Bool) it can't count. < 1331325570 363024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, the "proof" could easily be _|_ or whatever, but in that case diagonalise just returns _|_. < 1331325592 23502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, you can prove that function, given an appropriate input, defeats the counter; and so |Nat -> Bool| > |Nat|. < 1331325598 171858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because to study what you actually want to study, you have to study a lot of bullshit. < 1331325620 397358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of the thing whereby you can diagonalise the computable reals, but the diagonalisation is itself not computable so you can't use it to construct a new CR. < 1331325668 217931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, yeah, is the proof being _|_. < 1331325696 37225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Backtracking to Coq again (hopefully you understand what I mean by "inside" now): Consider that Coq's axioms are a *subset* of classical logic. < 1331325711 366462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, obviously, you *couldn't* prove that (nat -> bool) is countable, Coq-wise. < 1331325733 815232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Similarly, if you construct the computable reals in Coq, you won't be able to prove that all functions on them are continuous. < 1331325777 274483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See also: http://r6research.livejournal.com/19619.html < 1331326040 842851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover has now abandoned his career in mathematics and is going to become a farmer. < 1331326076 708016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; I'm just even more convinced not to talk to logicians. < 1331326138 115176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You just can't handle the truth. < 1331326155 94239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the current version of GHC. < 1331326173 720253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can, it's just not as interesting as actual maths. < 1331326265 715513 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331326290 435516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331326450 776700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 7.4.1. < 1331326453 755981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1331326467 455444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1331326475 656974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers that period where he thought ais523 was a mathematician.
< 1331326483 759474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was! < 1331326485 779157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just amn't any more < 1331326504 387918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a REAL mathematician. < 1331326524 118814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a concept? < 1331326592 847815 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-133-147.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331326618 179805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Phantom_Hoover thinks going from doing a degree in electrical engineering to a Ph.D. in computer science makes you less of a mathematician.
< 1331326639 349893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, but it doesn't make you a REAL mathematician. < 1331326646 11911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think you mispinged there. < 1331326664 738644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway dude, at least EE involves calculus. < 1331326668 611662 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-63.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331326751 792688 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-135-202.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331326873 6533 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-133-147.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331326937 99635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I didn't misping. < 1331326957 793080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, I mean I thought he was an actual, academic mathematician. < 1331326963 514783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pure mathematician < 1331326977 46237 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331327009 923135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So calculus is more pure-mathematics than logic? < 1331327027 394473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331327040 260068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your definition sucks. < 1331327042 902942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic is a foundational thing. < 1331327080 167336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't ais523 research formally-verified compilers? < 1331327082 280743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, which is *very* pure, as far as matheamtics goes. < 1331327085 629132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no. < 1331327088 636982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mathematics < 1331327102 137162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really; I do prove that the algorithms behind the compilers are correct < 1331327113 509574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't prove that the compilers that are intended to follow those algorithms actually do < 1331327118 497969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, which is hardly more "pure" than proving $theorem is correct. < 1331327136 268306 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331327152 731089 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-135-202.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331327225 583128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: would you call this a pure maths result?: given a set of equalities/inequalities, each of which is of one of the forms (a = b, a <= b, a <= b+c, a <= b*c), and all the unknowns are known to be nonnegative integers, it is decidable whether a given set has a solution or not < 1331327276 898047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, TbH, pure maths is a pretty useless concept; I was joking before. < 1331327305 334634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't answer my question < 1331327323 352775 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331327378 583817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely maths, yes; as I just said, pure maths is just an arbitrary line drawn for largely historical reasons. < 1331327397 769433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't understand why someone wouldn't find foundations interesting.
< 1331327402 719017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially someone interested in esolangs. < 1331327427 612170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find them interesting, but not as interesting as the things built upon them. < 1331327440 646318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "foundations" = ? < 1331327452 255457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, logic. < 1331327469 264016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm pretty happy that linear and affine logic were invented < 1331327477 873338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Verity probably wouldn't exist < 1331327478 651175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: logic, set theory, type theory, etc. < 1331327489 453977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally, the foundations of mathematics < 1331327491 862029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331327501 484594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that they're useless at all < 1331327535 513280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, finding them uninteresting compared to other concepts in mathematics is like the people who say that every programming language is the same because they all have libraries :) < 1331327573 599783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331327710 322081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they're obviously very useful, because you can't build without foundations, and they're interesting in their own right; I (personally) don't enjoy studying them as much as other things, but elliott seems to be veering towards declaring that they're the One True Path. < 1331327740 625047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just think it's weird to exclude them. < 1331327756 476877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of a programmer completely uninterested in the programming languages they use? < 1331327762 488977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I excluded them once this turned serious? < 1331327788 278864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, you can build without foundations, as evidenced by the fact that mathematics existed before logic and set theory. < 1331327793 845933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just sloppy. < 1331327804 620011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't build solidly, then. < 1331327806 210798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the house falls down and you remember to build foundations first this time. < 1331327918 561639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that they're distinct from maths, because the general experience is different. < 1331327980 915598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot less *words*, for one thing. < 1331328695 317586 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331328709 425844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-218.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331328731 459801 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1331328931 8830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't people using languages ONLY because of the library? < 1331328987 670287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often. < 1331330286 404195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best reasons to use Perl < 1331330294 181623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has libraries that nothing else has < 1331330894 292916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> "sleep"
< 1331330895 511543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331331723 758662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transmission WebTV is a port of the well-known Transmission BitTorrent and aMule programs to the WebTV Set-Top-Box." < 1331331752 256190 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly nostalgias for WebTV
< 1331331780 863748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1331331812 902830 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was it produced? Didn't it use early version of IE? < 1331333071 403835 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331333334 721156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331333369 845623 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331333421 367046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1331333422 779027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice "sleep" < 1331333472 944266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I said sleep I meant game of thrones < 1331333502 914626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of "sleep" < 1331333631 378938 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331333911 615851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331334697 930588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331334792 389787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331334836 125054 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is your computret project going < 1331334856 468351 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer < 1331334863 789470 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331334890 700643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I have not done much at this time. When I have resources to do so, I will be able to do more. But for now they are mostly just ideas and plans and stuff, all of which is liable to be changed. < 1331334917 287679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do have a few drawings which are publicly available, if you want to see it) < 1331334941 867651 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: you are pretty optimistic about the future of human civilization < 1331334995 668855 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of cpu are you going to use in it? x86-16? x86-32? x86-64? ARM? MIPS32? MIPS64? m68k? < 1331335030 151805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I don't know yet; probably ARM. Whatever is used, there should be free C compilers and free specifications (even if not the official ones). < 1331335038 76263 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's morning lecture was about how you can program your own DNA strains and buy them online, and how easy it is to write programs that destroy cells. < 1331335092 673839 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i asked the guy if i could actually do this stuff in my backyard (even though i naturally couldn't observe what's going on), and he said sure, although you do need some salt.) < 1331335107 843705 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in addition to the DNA strains you can buy) < 1331335169 221475 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have basically cured cancer in petri dishes with these, and the program is sort of trivial < 1331335200 796645 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a basic toeholding argument < 1331335203 142977 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd like to see the drawings < 1331335264 75770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/powerxy/images/Game_Control.png http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/powerxy/images/Remote_Control.png (USB keyboard will also be supported) < 1331335293 376910 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's basically trivial to do things like wang tiles, and they have sofar made boolean functions and a stackmachine with the small caveat that you need to have exactly one copy of the stack strain < 1331335317 791699 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy told that they wrote this program, and they did some simulations < 1331335324 163189 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the 50th run, they had a race condition < 1331335330 689101 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which grew a tumor. < 1331335362 558149 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awesome :D < 1331335369 644570 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're all dead in a decade < 1331335415 295858 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why haven't you people told me DNA computing is something you can ACTUALLY do < 1331335424 611639 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not supposed to be the one that BRINGS something here < 1331335455 929064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've known about it for a while < 1331335464 577441 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1331335479 210799 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my point < 1331335493 321463 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was all still theoretical < 1331335527 773574 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just start programming right away by putting straings of catg in a test tube < 1331335548 741033 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they do exactly what you'd expect < 1331335551 116623 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's magic < 1331335634 990205 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(computation happens by pairing two strains up with the natural involution, and you can easily do tilings like that. to have dynamic behavior, i just know the toehold technique, and that's probably much harder. but building is easy.) < 1331335646 862988 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy strains of length 70 online < 1331335665 358659 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331335672 17911 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably mean strand now that i think about it < 1331335691 429871 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although DNA strain also sounds great. < 1331336167 8805 :kallisti_!~eris@h189.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331336185 403674 :kallisti_!~eris@h189.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PART :#esoteric < 1331336224 443369 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Friendship: you are pretty optimistic about the future of human civilization // what can I say, I'm an optimist *shrugs* < 1331336237 167104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd Friendship optimise < 1331336309 551985 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that humanity will exist in three hundred thousand years. < 1331336398 109947 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah at thirty years i was like what is this guy smoking < 1331336424 99219 :Canadarm!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :Canadarm2 < 1331336443 56992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Whencewards < 1331336449 919340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This incredibly literate phrase means: Where) < 1331336477 152775 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Last question. < 1331336654 270182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends how you interpret "us" I suppose < 1331336680 372766 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "implied" rather than "said" < 1331336681 168040 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the solar system itself might survive a couple of years < 1331336706 594846 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humanity maybe like 5 and the earth at most 20 < 1331336784 526315 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe will go on for hundreds of years ofc, but it gets bored eventually, and nothingness replaces somethingness. and me and my buddy jesus deem this unfortunate but understandable and recreate it. < 1331336823 633396 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the mothingness < 1331336825 487649 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and god is like STOP CREATING WORLDS I HAVEN'T SLEPT IN LIKE 14 BILLION YEARS OR WHATEVER'S THE CONJECTURE THESE DAYS < 1331336827 913095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that lightspeed in oklofok's reality is at most 200 miles per hour. < 1331336874 517399 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there are distances strictly longer than a kilometer < 1331336894 559868 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric : i don't think there are distances strictly longer than a kilometer | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331337335 71489 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethical brain teaser: would you kill everyone and destroy everything if you could have EVERY cake < 1331337365 239332 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a trick question: If I destroyed everything, there would be no cake! < 1331337391 69748 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to start a serious philosophical debate here < 1331337409 484394 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think you know everything about cake do you < 1331337469 664709 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god there was this lecture on the physical church-turing thesis < 1331337472 594650 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i tell you about it < 1331337496 269527 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO PEOPLE WANT TO MENTALLY MASTURBATE TO THIS KIND OF TRIVIALITIES < 1331337515 181599 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T THEY EVER GET LIKE MENTAL PENIS CANCER FROM ALL THE RUBBING?? < 1331337517 232205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1331337527 642062 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...PENIS CANCER... < 1331337549 362143 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new thing < 1331337559 873303 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say something crude and someone leaves in tears < 1331337569 338382 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably find religion or something < 1331337647 378218 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll change my whole life and be nicer from now on < 1331337666 631790 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Friendship, how's life? < 1331337669 120647 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like you < 1331337693 420139 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCH NAE OCH FRM STL QUANK < 1331337757 87957 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to "peg" your "pardon" if you catch my drift < 1331337772 522711 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1331337793 406309 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't understand OCHlotalk < 1331337848 321161 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least i learned a new word today < 1331337855 463025 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very useful word. < 1331337926 224805 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that people have discussed logic :O < 1331338015 793477 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331338042 676700 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-82.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331338077 115002 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-82.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331338311 919439 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what else do you know that you've been holding out on me? < 1331338330 941363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: err, I don't know < 1331338358 897478 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, please tell me when you remember < 1331338362 738840 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of that boring stuff < 1331338364 954817 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the good stuff < 1331338602 255314 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you can also tell me the boring stuff < 1331338605 775652 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to < 1331338634 622518 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of it thought because my head would become too heavy < 1331338643 668993 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1331338665 962285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: one thing I've been wondering about is if CBPV and Underload are equivalent or not (allowing for the difference in typedness) < 1331338675 49423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CBPV embeds in Underload, but not trivially the other way round < 1331338727 718389 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about CBPV, but by the one sentence explanation by found, yeah it sounds like they could be < 1331338873 616321 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have so many new ideas it's overwhelming < 1331338926 344833 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conferences are dangerous < 1331339186 738473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you mean < 1331339196 125102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because my supervisor keeps thinking things are relevant when they aren't < 1331339295 45413 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i choose my topics myself, my supervisor mostly occasionally tells me that something i'm researching is a dead end < 1331339301 846422 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(picture languages) < 1331339372 719923 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's dangerous because i can't concentrate on any single idea because the others are just as interesting < 1331339409 426502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331339489 156813 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i mostly don't work on them at all, i just come up with more of them < 1331339519 453200 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be nice to have some ideas for the summer, it would be nice to keep this publication speed up < 1331339552 700502 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the speed i expect, depends on our success in peer-review of course) < 1331339558 971466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331339589 174591 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem is that when an idea is awesome enough, i'm afraid i'll destroy it if i think about it (for instance if it doesn't work) < 1331339877 33269 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hugged a tree the other day < 1331340081 873277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331340094 55289 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott, have you hugged any trees lately < 1331340231 273024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: did it hug you back? < 1331340318 654906 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just the way i like it < 1331340364 603642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tre < 1331340374 252121 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ar tre?? < 1331340381 231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: u tre? < 1331340383 959244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trie < 1331340399 230609 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what knd ofa tre? < 1331340408 721855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad sci-fi protagonist names #3434838 Patricia Trie < 1331340481 319813 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy UPDATE < 1331340489 739273 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to PSOX? < 1331340493 184648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo UPDATE < 1331340518 494185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're supposed to update, but I guess you better do it < 1331340531 242755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes psox is now best < 1331340536 592024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklofok the heating went off can you fix it < 1331340545 35155 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331340550 39566 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i CAN fix it < 1331340559 608353 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't, because you haven't paid your debt < 1331340578 839007 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a whore you know, you have to PAY me if you want something from me. < 1331340647 96467 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color is your irc? < 1331340783 82083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my lisp now does lexical instead of dynamic scoping, has some kind of closures, and supports destructive updates < 1331340802 73197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you do with a lisp? < 1331340825 539901 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add continuations? < 1331340839 783164 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: start over and do all that again < 1331340840 996039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose... been thinking of transforming it into a compiler too < 1331340842 486383 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Oleg, delimited continuations are actually more powerful. < 1331340989 763972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: remove the destructive updates < 1331340992 529221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might finish the gc... but it's a bit silly - I don't think I can actually unallocate memory, I think the closest thing I have is to allocate a new heap that is smaller < 1331341004 952533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then add laziness :P < 1331341034 472296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy lisp is actually really easy if all you have is cons pairs and symbols < 1331341035 816270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to do that, maybe I'll implement a lazy lisp inside the lisp I have though < 1331341046 869217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy! < 1331341047 940486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. find a lazy lisp I can port < 1331341078 487340 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we ever really "port" anything though < 1331341224 922069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, how easy is it? < 1331341252 38268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, what data types do you have and how many primitives? < 1331341286 855271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be conses, lambdas, symbols and ints < 1331341294 137841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be? < 1331341360 387288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, plus random other stuff if I mix up host and lisp objects < 1331341404 448917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331341406 559098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the host? < 1331341464 532121 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's a silent g, it should be ghost < 1331341489 70523 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn scandinavians < 1331341509 533432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much a silent g in "ghost" as an invisible g in "host" < 1331341516 497425 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i made a lisp of some sort once and botted it here < 1331341568 368854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did < 1331341578 924554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing holds a candle to zepto < 1331341586 449378 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331341683 525884 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331341684 697628 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i fucked up lexical scoping to some extent (i learned about closures like halfway through my little project and so it became a bit of a mess) < 1331341744 61555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the host is c++ templates :) < 1331341758 174625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a script that translates s-expressions into template syntax, and a template eval that evaluates them < 1331341776 895294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the Env contains the current stackframe pointer and a heap of values that can be mutated by assigning variables < 1331341798 448243 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? < 1331341822 860282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :polterchrist? < 1331341825 394313 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES < 1331341835 340796 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: *host < 1331341900 457887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh right i remember < 1331341909 139568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's the art of subtlety < 1331341925 917526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES < 1331341934 963921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :821) you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES < 1331341939 709069 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure polterchrist is clear without context < 1331341945 939350 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with context < 1331341978 989112 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this concept of subtlety intrigues me < 1331342007 29476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :context, weak, etc. < 1331342111 561540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's context for? < 1331342125 58091 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331342125 385297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1331342129 314233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, CPS would probably be a good exercise, never really grokked how to do CPS conversion before < 1331342131 391131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1331342136 223011 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's one more than the previous < 1331342167 127204 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i hear it's easy < 1331342196 221728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, compilation might also be nice... I'm already meta-programming in some sense, so how hard could *that* be? < 1331342363 575957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i suspect the best you'll be able to get is bytecode < 1331342373 749832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just mean batch compilation < 1331342479 957538 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night. < 1331342601 382112 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mentioned #esoteric in #lisp < 1331342602 965666 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brace < 1331342615 875739 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1331342621 89602 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why????? < 1331342626 253139 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1331342626 623752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's a n idiot < 1331342628 529094 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1331342643 690595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nidiot < 1331342648 698862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounsd like a pokemon :/ < 1331342654 662796 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tries his best < 1331342674 79372 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should really try my best sometime, i think it's better < 1331342681 9001 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't try elliott's best < 1331342689 70236 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just get scared and pee yourself < 1331342694 10864 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. Only person who was interested in olsner's thing: First thing asked is if it was CL or just a thing with parentheses < 1331342697 969942 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just way out of your league < 1331342749 523601 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was "or not" a response to? < 1331342766 713309 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many ridiculous claims here that i just can't choose! < 1331342789 879647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether anyone would actually be visiting here due to my mention of #esoteric in #lisp < 1331342822 434387 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh to your own message < 1331342836 398429 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not on my list, i decided you chna < 1331342838 720778 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dkjfskd < 1331342853 777971 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed your personality and told me and elliott to fuck ourselves in a subtle way. < 1331342901 632256 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say go fuck ourselves, but that looks good too < 1331342924 4156 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a more literal feel to it in my tired eyes < 1331342931 135381 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really going to sleep now < 1331342947 677789 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1331342953 505190 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1331342959 162735 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so night < 1331343289 630822 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: nihil novi sub sole. There was something like that long ago, that added a bit of crazy broken lisp to C++ in form of templates < 1331343852 418961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm already compiling a whole program to evaluate a lisp expression, might as well compile into a convoluted series of c++ functions instead of evaluating into text output? < 1331344013 450273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, i see < 1331344019 3689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling to C++ with metaprogramming < 1331344019 190282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1331344038 623455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... too close to the stated purpose for comfort < 1331345327 632050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331348121 568255 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331348338 632669 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331348675 547604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-18.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331348780 947069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331348792 378253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-36.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331348870 13845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1331348879 384721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331348919 120036 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331348933 53718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :research I would be interested in: how long it takes for loud to stop sounding loud < 1331348961 14413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., after turning up some music from "normal" volume levels to make it loud, how long does it take (assuming the volume of the music stays the same) for that new level to start sounding normal? < 1331348963 567695 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im not. please read what i said more carefully before you ask stupid questions. < 1331349034 187518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i did; you clarified that it was actually a bijection between two countable sets, except the topic was whether you could use a method that requires an isomorphism to a specific _uncountable_ set < 1331349037 596979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm still confused. < 1331349052 667644 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh.. im pretty sure that's not what the topic was. < 1331349113 140110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why don't you count that set, if it's so countable? < 1331349138 160800 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question, iinm, was why the same game couldnt be played with types in general, and i said that for countable types, you should be able to use an isomorphism to do it, provided the type and the extension of the predicate were both of the same countable cardinality < 1331349144 552819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Equality for Eq a => (Nat -> Bool) -> a [is decidable]." -> "There aren't any countable types that aren't convertible to Nat -> Bool, are there?" -> "yes" -> "so shouldn't we be able to apply the method in the article to any countable set?" -> "No; you need a isomorphism." -> "it is an isomorphism [if you restrict one of the sets]" < 1331349180 715447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is true, but still means it's... not the isomorphism required < 1331349252 38970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused, not hatin'.
< 1331349291 274986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1331349292 10261 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see why you're confused < 1331349325 48582 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There aren't any countable types that aren't convertible to Nat -> Bool, are there? < 1331349329 588849 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i believe this is true < 1331349347 545785 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by a discussion of why. < 1331349352 766169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i acknowledge you made no untrue statements < 1331349353 421061 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see where the issue is. < 1331349360 397863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you made irrelevant statements, at least < 1331349371 540517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "it *is* an isomorphism" is what confuses me < 1331349381 422616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, yes, it's an isomorphism, but not the isomorphism the parent poster was talking about < 1331349397 63256 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331349401 559666 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is < 1331349417 957077 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a countble type T is iso to some Nat -> Bool < 1331349420 542411 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres the problem < 1331349464 635438 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he seemed to agree that i was saying the same thing he was < 1331349486 969572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to some Nat -> Bool"? < 1331349491 934302 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331349492 360665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "some"? < 1331349493 122413 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1331349505 89508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's subset, the whole point is that you need an isomorphism the whole way < 1331349511 49868 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall T : *. exists f : Nat -> Bool. T ~ Ext f < 1331349542 822380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to use the equality for (Eq a => (Nat -> Bool) -> a) < 1331349550 242768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e, this is going in circles < 1331349578 592162 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i dont see how this relates to that type -- but thats ok < 1331349657 140312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... < 1331349659 24783 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the post that roconnor linked to doesnt use that type anywhere in it < 1331349673 310806 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt search it in detail for something that connects to it < 1331349685 509187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im not sure how that could be inhabited at all, honestly < 1331349699 187576 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Empty where deriving (Eq) < 1331349716 594393 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, ignoring a function that just loops < 1331349756 358670 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but non-termination is sort of contra the whole point of infinite tests in finite time < 1331349819 55064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not forall a. < 1331349829 43159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality is decidable for ((Nat -> Bool) -> a) if Eq a < 1331349872 451415 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing a? < 1331349913 481058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a, Eq a -> decidable (equality_for ((Nat -> Bool) -> a))) < 1331349931 120863 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331349933 742284 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1331349938 7677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think what he's saying is valid < 1331349957 656211 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in haskell < 1331349963 691895 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause you cant use haskell for it < 1331349975 923359 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nat -> Bool <=> Countable Types < 1331349986 743348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no need for any special type hackery if what he's saying is possible. < 1331349988 177246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just functions. < 1331350014 818008 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i just mean if you want to state it in haskell at all < 1331350018 849617 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1331350028 573827 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if what he's saying is _useful_ of course < 1331350059 625706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it just means you have a function roughly f : Set -> A, and you can test if it's equal to g : Set -> A if A has decidable equalityu < 1331350064 643752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i'm bothering trying to divine the meaning of words uttered by the creator of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Absurd_Brainfuck. < 1331350105 719928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1331350176 252222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ok, i don't understand any more now, but i understand the other posters less to the degree that i'm more confused in general rather than specifically at things yous aid < 1331350180 410772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you said < 1331350197 246309 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hmms at Absurd Brainfuck
< 1331350217 976444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hmm at it, it's meaningless < 1331350231 597504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ais523 thinks it's meaningless, and he invented Feather < 1331350728 298873 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1331350862 698091 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331351338 858080 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331351404 184492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq, fix my BitTorrent. < 1331351425 767060 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, exactly, is your problem? < 1331351454 583979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1s are coming in as 0.5s and the 0s, they ain't comin' in at all! < 1331351466 9727 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you tell me, I can only advise that you create a pentagram of chicken blood and recite from the Book of Unix. < 1331351476 800984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the problem is that it refuses to upload, but I have my suspicions as to unfixable reasons for that and have tried all the obvious things. < 1331351495 789315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, not only will it not seed -- instead being "Idle" or "Stalled" -- but when downloading, the upload speed never rises above absolute zero.) < 1331351534 619468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-18.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331351599 133966 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you recite from the Book of RFC, 793:15-52. < 1331351605 570045 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more serious note, I got nothing. < 1331351612 555762 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your NAT must be too chilly... hump your router. < 1331351614 238220 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which client? Transmission? < 1331351639 744889 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing that trackerless? I seem to recall us having trouble doing that trackerless as the initial seed in the past. < 1331351643 324657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmission -- and I've forwarded the port it's using on both TCP and UDP, and it confirms it's forwarded (though oddly the first check has a tendency to come back closed -- but then immediately say "open" if I try again -- and it doesn't always do this). < 1331351652 128047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not trackerless; in fact, DHT is turned off. < 1331351659 222735 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Weird*. < 1331351702 285337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I half-suspect the cause is that the torrents are excellently-seeded enough that the network don't want any of my shitty bandwidth, but from what I know of BitTorrent, that only explains why it wouldn't *seed*, not why it wouldn't upload when downloading, even at a trickle. < 1331351713 530559 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for those too lazy to figure out WTF I referred to, RFC 793, pages 15-52, is the functional specification of TCP) < 1331351730 973829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the imperative specification. < 1331351752 200894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pages 53-5300. :P < 1331351861 571126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's very annoying. :( < 1331352593 317234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I build that computer, I have some idea, that any game with cutscenes and credit roll, should recommend, that they can be skipped by pushing the next track button, repeated by pushing the previous track button, and paused by pushing the pause button. Do you have different idea? < 1331352605 143226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is only recommendation; not requirement) < 1331354429 778210 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331357057 608464 :FraterNPLS!~Ouroboros@98.151.159.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331357080 351967 :FraterNPLS!~Ouroboros@98.151.159.214 PART :#esoteric < 1331357836 45241 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331357865 65629 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331361656 530607 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-82.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331361875 381215 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331363269 730767 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-126.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331363548 401455 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-126.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331363606 969002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331364418 486096 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331364442 896959 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331364447 686362 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331364618 279756 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331365283 363647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331366264 837976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331366983 259521 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-190-214.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331367000 733153 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-206-195.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331367797 212626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331367802 861356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331370898 87524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: This is not a pipe; trying something else. < 1331370997 669637 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331371033 925750 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. i've finished a new brainfuck program, haven't made a bigger one in quite some time: < 1331371040 282815 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.73b.org/programs/golden.b < 1331371058 457267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.allowe.com/Larry/1questions.htm < 1331371062 946494 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the golden ration, never terminating. gets gradually slower. < 1331371078 676513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1331371079 584881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm extremely upset that this system fell out of use. < 1331371182 963723 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if anyone tries it, tell here how far you get. i've ran it to about 400 digits < 1331371194 796425 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*run < 1331371201 785331 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have problems with that particular word..... < 1331371364 698155 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, interesting work on qdeql oerjan < 1331371421 791562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! i just now wrapped up the description a bit. < 1331371520 656633 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this software pirated? < 1331371537 817431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What software? < 1331371553 494858 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Leisure Suit Larry, I guess? < 1331371590 652385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just wikipediaed < 1331371599 773006 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was an age verification thing < 1331371601 934759 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1331371602 288824 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always great to see a language being shown to be more powerful than first assumed < 1331371627 795672 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr, Brainfuck is more powerful than as powerful as computers are believed to be able to be? < 1331371640 809780 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331371641 98064 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow at that sentence < 1331371656 912456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Sgeo needs a swat just about now -----###
< 1331371657 722471 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about qdeql < 1331371666 304413 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about oerjan's qdeql turing-completeness proof < 1331371672 519948 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, monqy Phantom_Hoover did you see the update from before? < 1331371680 813756 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second grouping of new A6I2 < 1331372243 176008 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has done something awesome again? < 1331372248 365544 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come u so awesome? < 1331372292 394420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331372500 492053 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best. Quit Message. Ever. < 1331372508 453750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: bad judgement. < 1331372541 244903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that's been monqy's quit message since forever. < 1331372571 72170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it's not like there's a reason to change the Best. Quit Message. Ever. < 1331372986 780968 :kmkr!bcee598c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.238.89.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331373294 580257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331373504 916508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331373860 627632 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where do i get me some of that bad judgement? < 1331373877 152371 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before you answer, i'm going offline for 24 hours < 1331373880 913152 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1331373884 579228 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT : < 1331374548 424441 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331374578 425318 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331374716 49339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we don't sell that. < 1331374755 331076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, we pay people to take it. < 1331374781 33668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we make it up in volume. < 1331375440 613664 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B332.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331377115 305491 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331377304 908014 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331378020 490063 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331378036 458176 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331378648 885649 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-15.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331378717 660760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331378814 677868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331378839 196154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331379724 554219 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331380281 223321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331381917 561218 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-162.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331382081 310799 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-236-182.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331382104 991684 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-76.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331382232 963049 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-162.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331382456 990326 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-236-182.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331383027 201668 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-250.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331383079 461400 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-250.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331383255 992534 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331383262 489539 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-250.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331383289 968542 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B332.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331383588 678183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331383852 424584 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-250.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331385120 807825 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-147-162.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331388736 20058 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331388797 75467 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* esos Kernel v1.0 * < 1331389246 714032 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT: krnld.p1x (sata001:1:32768-32958) < 1331389299 602172 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT: cmm.p1l (32959-33655) < 1331389352 897263 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT: kash.p1x (33656-33989) < 1331389409 889672 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT: setup.sh (33990-33999) < 1331389459 191985 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT: setup.p1x (34000-34568) < 1331389496 61146 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Setup Options: * < 1331389517 273215 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install txedit? (y/n) < 1331389616 700189 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! compiler? (y/n) < 1331389659 8287 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install Befunge? (Compiler/Interpreter) < 1331389682 699193 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install Brainfuck? (Compiler/Interpreter) < 1331389705 548102 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install CPL compiler? (y/n) < 1331389724 19905 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331389755 398498 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating partition table at sata001:1... < 1331389836 511615 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying krnld.p1x... < 1331389856 100119 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying cmm.p1l... < 1331389866 982612 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying kash.p1x... < 1331389887 252575 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying aa!.p1x < 1331389941 455596 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying bfngc.p1x.... < 1331389945 380182 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying < 1331389956 152561 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfngi.p1x.... < 1331389975 655238 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331389989 833420 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Rebooting * < 1331389992 592186 :Twirt199!daba12f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.18.246 QUIT : < 1331390935 119409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331391473 492874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331391483 598362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331391731 216498 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1331391982 742960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-80-173.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331394438 406420 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-86.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331394443 701904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331395736 842645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1331396124 441775 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331396134 457601 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1331396160 473150 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331397202 969819 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331398015 181189 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331398051 430835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-28.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331398933 91346 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1331398944 931790 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331400719 946369 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331400731 81270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331400746 550671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331400934 27959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 What is our policy on modifying your own talk page comments days after they were posted? If we don't have one, make one up. < 1331400934 215962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331400950 280811 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The policy is death. < 1331401207 319454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20110606223705/http://geocities.com/r_e_s_01/subleq/index.htm < 1331401211 36519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad this was archived! < 1331401225 989270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best part: "The GeoCities site you were looking for may have been preserved in the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. To find out, visit Archive.org and enter the site's web address in the field provided." < 1331402139 431084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Linear_bounded_automaton Hypothesis: Any wiki conversation involving Oleg and (oerjan or r.e.s.) is a completely realistic simulation of banging your head against a wall repeatedly. < 1331402191 392947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331402351 81205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1331402583 316126 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331403223 107663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1331403261 520321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331403308 791762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1331404237 576574 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331404467 835438 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331404754 20908 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331404872 290842 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O it's not on reocities < 1331404914 415711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of things aren't. < 1331404940 797394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Archive Team or the IA have the largest geocities archive. < 1331404949 909654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Archive Team's only comes in batch torrent form, though. < 1331405612 852070 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the Archive Team's torrent is actually pretty decomposable. I'm downloading the 400MB manifests now. < 1331405621 461466 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can check from those if the actual files exist. < 1331405735 180491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy your fossils! < 1331405870 865015 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, gotta revive subleq X-P < 1331405967 321599 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or some random subleq page anyway) < 1331406226 720725 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahah, just discovered that the title of GeoCities pages is still "GeoCities: Get a web site with easy-to-use site building tools." < 1331406230 322312 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to lie, Yahoo! < 1331406374 374228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck did they even shut it down < 1331406390 162295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the money they're saving they paid ten times over in bandwidth bills as everyone scrambled to mirror it < 1331406399 461188 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1331406535 176787 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, geocities.com/r_e_s_01 is lost to the universe. < 1331406597 318280 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331406622 522639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: :( < 1331406626 949090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ungood. < 1331406784 834058 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other geocities sites you want me to check for so long as I've got the manifests? < 1331406849 574059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh... probably, but I can't think of any :P < 1331406852 726125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that wossname. < 1331406863 576903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.geocities.com&namespace= < 1331406866 252501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All'o these < 1331406975 701835 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://it.geocities.com/tonibin/ is linked from Antonio Maschio // fetching < 1331406989 687344 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2266/tarpit/magenta.html is linked from Magenta // on reocities < 1331407010 584083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, I reocitified that one. < 1331407015 669432 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/brainsub is linked from Talk:Brainfuck // dead < 1331407036 308373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: OTOH http://web.archive.org/web/20091027000829/http://it.geocities.com/tonibin/ has it, so you might not need to bother. < 1331407045 79694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mayhaps it will have a more fuller mirror. < 1331407136 437 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/varaq.pl is linked from Var'aq // seems to be on archive.org < 1331407149 953352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be having an oddly large amount of reddit conversations with lutusp of late. < 1331407159 165476 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only mention the problem ones actually X-D < 1331407210 109322 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331407214 431180 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineffable_qualtagh is lost to the universe < 1331407261 374870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip ineffable_qualtagh < 1331407263 174483 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nthern is lost to the universe < 1331407283 686562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: P.S. A great way of saying "lost to the universe" is to put {{deadlink}} markers on all of the links :P < 1331407377 962601 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already goin' way out of my way here, do it yourself! < 1331407383 330816 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fetching qpliu < 1331407468 948481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it... LATER. < 1331407522 696364 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stelokim is lost to the universe. < 1331407525 143817 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE < 1331407548 397394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now put them on codu.org. < 1331407703 155896 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done going through the list... < 1331407705 100647 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not downloading ... < 1331407775 808855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1331408058 574782 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331408778 980263 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic has internally-consistent time travel. < 1331408789 324989 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Officially greatest show ever. < 1331408911 120610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, javascript only has floating points right? No integers? < 1331408918 796905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I confusing it with some other language? < 1331408944 743237 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and no. It only presents doubles, but all implementations optimize to 32-bit ints when possible. < 1331408949 377167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1331408962 991944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, how do you deal with bitwise operations (if you should need to use that)? < 1331409033 534972 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has bitwise operations builtin, they always treat numbers as 32-bit ints. < 1331409036 353016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331409044 989405 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So truncate if necessary) < 1331409047 814521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331409129 569295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely unrelated: Does anyone know if WLAN access points that varies the power output depending on the environment (to save power) does so for the beacon frames as well? < 1331409780 61867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, in LUA if you have a function foo(a,b,c) then calling foo(1,2) will silently end up calling foo(1,2,nil), also foo(1,2,3,4) will silently drop the excess argument. < 1331409786 340455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err Lua* < 1331409828 309270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (So truncate if necessary) < 1331409837 466622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doubles can represent values >2^32! < 1331409842 173282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>= < 1331409848 1400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they obviously end up truncated < 1331409851 618503 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-147-162.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331409873 184953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is more interesting is if a double can represent all 32-bit integers exactly. I'm not sure that is the case. < 1331409910 344748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be < 1331409933 702702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can. < 1331409961 906363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good < 1331410228 369773 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-254-67.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331410309 201029 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They can represent 52-bit ints, but the bitwise ops in JS truncate to 32. < 1331410476 332105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rite. < 1331410487 403248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can represent beyond that, can't they, just imprecisely? :p < 1331410556 117480 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331410561 483568 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're precise up to 52-bits. < 1331410578 486843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than what I would have expected. < 1331410652 555399 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats go to 23 bits, doubles to 52, and x87's 80-bit extended doubles to 64. < 1331410682 795997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331410692 769811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331410797 317734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, x86 has native 64-bit arithmetic? < 1331410805 793192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1331410896 129565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is there an instruction to convert from floating point to integer though (or is that done in software)? And if so is it only 32-bit or is it 64-bit? < 1331410928 243288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't JS call of foo(a,b,c) of the form foo(1,2) silently call foo(1,2,undefined) too? (And foo(1,2,3,4) drop the argument, too.) < 1331410933 590152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, basically what happens on a 32-bit x86 if you do (long long)myLongDouble < 1331410943 476927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in C that is) < 1331410956 820360 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but it doesn't "drop" the argument, it's still accessible, it just doesn't have a named parameter < 1331410960 187714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly < 1331411047 272692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I dislike such behaviour. Erroring on such helps catch bugs. Doing partial evaluation in the case of too few arguments is obviously okay as well if your type system can track that properly (like Haskell). < 1331411106 708653 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :var x = {}; var y = x.loldoesntexist; function foo(bar) { return bar; }; y = foo(y); // haw haw no errors < 1331411136 236654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331411142 829525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue edited, but i don't know if he' seen the qdeql thing < 1331411149 547726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Doesn't JS call of foo(a,b,c) of the form foo(1,2) silently call foo(1,2,undefined) too? (And foo(1,2,3,4) drop the argument, too.) < 1331411155 303708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, yeah lua makes undefined variables behave as if they were defined to nil, so similar. Quite annoying in either case. < 1331411156 378362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Youc an tell teh difference with "arguments". < 1331411168 223553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typos < 1331411175 592520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of them < 1331411189 919919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hih hi < 1331411196 748584 :Canadarm2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: - < 1331411203 783572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There is a "store integer" FPU opcode (FIST, FISTP) and it seems to go up to mem64 (for FISTP) in x86-32 also, according to some random instruction set references. (The only "official" PDF ones I have are x86-64-age.) < 1331411221 868041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the long arm of canada < 1331411406 948615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though fistp rounds according to the current rounding mode, so it's not exactly suitable for (long long)d, unless the compiler bothers to (possibly) change the rounding mode to truncating, then store, then restore the mode. < 1331411436 192458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331411461 60213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331411484 885807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fistp 'fist) => T < 1331411683 92982 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331412002 369213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, there's also FISTTP m64int "Store Integer with Truncation" opcode. It uses the "chop" mode implicitly, independent of current mode. So that's presumably what it would do. < 1331412044 829176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo 'long long f(double d) { return d; }' | gcc -m32 -masm=intel -x c -o tmp.s -S -; grep -i fist tmp.s < 1331412047 829856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : fistp QWORD PTR [ebp-24] < 1331412109 987174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1331412137 671610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh, it uses fistp? not fisttp? < 1331412153 292259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to fiddle with the mode. < 1331412158 186479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a reason. < 1331412172 351433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably faster or something. Bloody CISC < 1331412183 165663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the fistp is surrounded with fldcw "Load x87 FPU Control Word". < 1331412189 150721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331412207 972559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps tweaking that bf2qdeql table slightly
< 1331412221 323846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what is up with -; ? < 1331412243 575242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use stdin". < 1331412248 542514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs -x c so it knows the language. < 1331412258 317106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the pipe from gcc to grep though? < 1331412266 788912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something isn't right in that line... < 1331412280 901149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It writes that to tmp.c; didn't dare to try outputting to stdout too. < 1331412284 908035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I'm just tired < 1331412286 1591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. < 1331412291 432802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so -; is parsed as - ; ? < 1331412293 349807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by bash < 1331412295 838883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is surprising < 1331412322 565082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :; is a command separator no matter where. Well, except when quoted or escaped, I guess. < 1331412329 283409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as "-;" being passed to gcc, that is what confused me < 1331412340 464882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least libbfd IIRC can't write binaries into stdout. But maybe assembler source would've worked. I mean, it has that "use pipes" thing too. < 1331412360 720039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I did find out why it uses "fistp": because "fisttp" is a SSE3 instruction. < 1331412380 137327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny that they bothered to add a x87 FPU thing in SSE. < 1331412399 62312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a very pretty table. Can't say I have a clue what it means, though. < 1331412433 226240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1331412464 63971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: $ echo 'long long f(double d) { return d; }' | gcc -m32 -march=core2 -masm=intel -x c -o - -S - | grep -i fist < 1331412467 563417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : fisttp QWORD PTR [ebp-16] < 1331412468 565443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that makes sense. < 1331412475 34722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: now with pipes all the way down.) < 1331412479 497683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it tells you how to translate each bf command into qdeql, of course! < 1331412555 63351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a little succinctly for comfort. < 1331412637 289195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1331412642 85391 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331412660 798948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually gcc might end up using a temp file unless you pass -pipe I guess < 1331412672 686491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it actually gets to that stage in the compilation here though < 1331412674 224336 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For -S? < 1331412676 91352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, pipes as fas as the eye can see. < 1331412682 508995 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think it would for -S ... < 1331412683 76211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tried "-march=native" first, forgot that this age-old Athlon X2 won't do anything as fancy as SSE3. < 1331412690 389124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fas/far/ < 1331412701 38549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, it could do -S by disassembling I guess? < 1331412710 705500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gcc runs internal processes very early on iirc < 1331412722 50803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is -pipe not default these days? < 1331412724 809438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is called collect2 iirc, seen it in htop output < 1331412764 39454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for example the row for + tells you that in order to increment a brainfuck cell, you need to perform the action - = = in its padding region. this turns the 0 0 0 there into 255 0 0, which tacks onto the end of the data region. (the default action for padding regions simply delete those 0 0 0 instead.) < 1331412765 671383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'gcc -v' suggests no files; it only runs cc1 for -S: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.2/cc1 -quiet -v -imultilib 32 - -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -quiet -dumpbase - -m32 -march=core2 -masm=intel -auxbase-strip - -version -o - -fstack-protector < 1331412796 930773 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... collect2 is ld X_X < 1331412807 955609 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only temp file it might make is preprocessing. < 1331412815 67927 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what its default preference is for that. < 1331412841 712493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok :P < 1331412851 488268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, ah < 1331412866 720276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened to collect1. < 1331412886 324079 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same thing that happened to bzip1. < 1331412893 864046 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except not in any way) < 1331412895 621307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program collect2 works by linking the program once and looking through the linker output file for symbols with particular names indicating they are constructor functions. If it finds any, it creates a new temporary `.c' file containing a table of them, compiles it, and links the program a second time including that file." < 1331412942 352179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("strace -f -e open gcc ... 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep open" suggests even more forcefully no temporary files.) < 1331412968 291058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, augh, all that to support C++? < 1331412978 37247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does open /proc/meminfo three times, though.) < 1331413009 803440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder if it is gcc doing that or some part of glibc doing that < 1331413014 793842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that has nothing to do with C++. < 1331413021 304572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1331413040 567502 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C++ even have a way to represent global constructors? < 1331413054 178477 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than GCC extensions of course) < 1331413129 456583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: What does that mean? I mean, does it mean constructors for globals? < 1331413134 56297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, pretty sure yes. < 1331413157 276420 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include \nstd::string foo = "foo"; // Valid C++ < 1331413165 471123 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, that's not what I mean. < 1331413170 806463 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean __attribute__((constructor)) < 1331413176 347850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC has problems with C++ libraries because it doesn't do constructors for globals, which are implemented as constructors. < 1331413177 257260 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not as a GCC extension. < 1331413191 325420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I believe what fizzie and pikhq are saying is right(?) < 1331413197 417226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, this is just conjecture. < 1331413206 957770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331413211 819013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Ah. < 1331413225 186358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1331413227 826089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Not in standard C++. However, __attribute__((constructor)) goes through the same mechanism. < 1331413228 855185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331413229 43587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331413247 698458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Isn't that just class Singleton { Singleton() { ... } }; Singleton s;, basically? < 1331413265 37858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, you could hack it up with a singleton and define casts. < 1331413267 912889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, public: in there and whatever. < 1331413268 99358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331413268 472667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 3h 25m 32s ago: What is our policy on modifying your own talk page comments days after they were posted? If we don't have one, make one up. < 1331413283 560707 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ohyeah, you could do that. < 1331413294 52489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's OK as long as you aren't misleading people as to the context of replies to those comments < 1331413328 220255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The /proc/meminfo does happen rather late (those are the last three opens, after the .mo message files), so I'd guess GCC, but who knows. < 1331413372 140532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even for substantial additions over the course of days? < 1331413404 4366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the comments haven't been replied to, I don't see a problem < 1331413407 889121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you should probably bump the timestamp < 1331413411 631860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have, I think; and they didn't < 1331413416 500754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://p.zem.fi/ztez -- feel free to guesstimate what on earth it's doing. < 1331413448 802546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Esoteric_Operating_System&diff=next&oldid=30961, http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Esoteric_Operating_System&diff=next&oldid=30962 were the diffs I was wondering about < 1331413610 700413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no idea < 1331413641 358426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, those mmap in there confuse me too < 1331413648 96178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the interleaved ones < 1331413671 266430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's the buffer into which it reads the meminfo stuff. < 1331413678 424961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that is simply due to malloc, but I thought glibc didn't use mmap for malloc unless you used really large allocations < 1331413708 223370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might use mmap for suitably page-sized allocations too. < 1331413808 910234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331413979 930900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses malloc for everything above a few k, I believe. < 1331414057 396209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean that it uses mmap? < 1331414083 793131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331414133 852591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mailing list post from 2006-abouts says the mmap/brk threshold is 128K-32M, dynamically selected; they increased it from a fixed 128k for some reason. (The post speaks for memory-zeroing cost, but I'm not sure what that's about.) < 1331414140 932839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, strange that it got the same address all three times, I would have expected the kernel to randomise the address a bit < 1331414157 509553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was then; it might do something else than a single threshold now, for all I know. < 1331414190 21617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well obviously the kernel has to zero the memory it gives you. If you never release the memory to the kernel there is however no need for that < 1331414221 473409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but if you expand the brk it's still requesting new memory from the kernel. < 1331414236 985188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but you might end up reusing the memory < 1331414246 737257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose it might also take a peek at how much stuff there is in the free-list-equivalent. < 1331414249 824961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess doing mremap is more annoying?) < 1331414262 852995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331414290 945479 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-26.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331414333 954313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, in that case where it's doing alloc-free-alloc-free-alloc-free (at least what it looks like) it'd certainly make more sense to use memory from the brk side. < 1331414427 527390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331414465 363066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly I'm not quite bored enough to go figuring out why it's doing what it's doing. < 1331414471 667221 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, the torrents 'qp' archive didn't actually contain qpliu ... < 1331414476 731534 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*torrent's < 1331414543 275876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ltrace -f with grep open or grep meminfo doesn't match anything, so I can't even check if it's actually calling malloc or what.) < 1331414588 434416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would guess it isn't gcc doing it then? Unless gcc is directly calling the system call < 1331414735 623230 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the manifests in this torrent are totally useless X_X < 1331414749 721797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, what torrent= < 1331414752 7615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1331414769 912668 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Geocities. < 1331414774 889068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331414869 986629 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, it is the direct result of "Ohgodohgod wget -R" < 1331414901 80837 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: NO EXCUSES < 1331414918 801217 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one page I didn't want that's not in the manifest, and don't have the page I did want that is in the manifest X_X < 1331414984 419873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, I'm having a bad headache < 1331414985 615008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: [[ < 1331414985 935982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can download the PATCHED version (recommended): Geocities - The PATCHED Torrent < 1331414986 122682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or the original torrent which had 0.1% corrupted: Geocities - The Torrent + patch (details) < 1331414986 309415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331414988 600624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which did you get? < 1331414998 692950 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patched. < 1331415002 936428 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original didn't even have seeds. < 1331415008 519423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, just corrupted, not "fucked". < 1331415060 989260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right; ltrace has a -S too. It calls sysconf(85, ...); suggests that's maybe _SC_PHYS_PAGES or something. < 1331415083 692659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then glibc implementation of sysconf ends up doing the meminfo thing.) < 1331415097 996925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/mail/ < 1331415487 5281 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Roll out the squirrel! We'll have a squirrel of fun! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331415594 623062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered I still haven't paid prgmr. < 1331415624 797639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=SSBPL&curid=8325&diff=31001&oldid=30999 < 1331415628 544790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY an esolang that popes values. < 1331415720 382802 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pope a value? < 1331415776 129087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: i don't think that's a good idea, squirrels are all nuts < 1331415808 457831 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum* < 1331415810 219844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave < 1331415834 304071 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix'd that typo < 1331415860 452912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it's easy with cardinal numbers < 1331415861 578383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU RUINED IT < 1331415885 95540 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: should I revert it? < 1331415893 755314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's OK; the misspelling of my name makes up for it. < 1331415918 382960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you didn't actually fix it, according to recentchanges :P < 1331415959 236570 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. the page says 504 gateway time-out < 1331415997 802384 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is fixed < 1331416011 482161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? That's bad. < 1331416044 551195 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works after I reloaded the page < 1331416115 384289 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B332.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331416312 489445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331416327 333386 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-191.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331416535 773963 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-161.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331416546 945051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I intentionally post this here and not in code review since I think that there is not exactly a lot of life in the code review section." < 1331416558 293946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear everyone: OK, so I'm violating the rules... but you gotta understand, it's for my benefit! < 1331416669 734405 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-254-67.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331416834 781021 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-161.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331417049 735168 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-142-27.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331417070 227101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331417376 311321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I, like, pay you to seed my torrents? < 1331417776 751022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not going to act as a seed box. < 1331417868 291683 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the HD space to ATM. < 1331417881 4931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I could probably profitably remove a lot of utter junk... < 1331417953 554821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can somehow seed from an encrypted file, so that the unencrypted data only ever passes through memory. < 1331417963 328307 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-114-255.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331418096 106420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I wouldn't care if it would only upload at 10 kb/s, just so long as it would actually upload. This is incredibly frustrating. < 1331418120 277719 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that wouldn't work in one of those hypothetical systems where memory is really only a cache to the HD, so that it's one address space. < 1331418122 389234 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-142-27.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331418126 183650 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to buy more drives
< 1331418163 777541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Troll! < 1331418168 831256 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They're not very hypothetical, they're fairly historical. :) < 1331418227 939266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multics is hypothetical, man. < 1331418248 133625 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did we stop doing that? < 1331418258 126382 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix. < 1331418394 229514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331419360 745519 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331419527 660005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the necessary properties of a proper static type system is type inference." < 1331419533 344263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you know that dependent type systems are improper? < 1331419551 425654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Others are e.g. structural pattern matching and algebraic datatypes." -- type system features, y'hear. < 1331419553 828955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't see why they can't use type inference to some extent < 1331419570 868916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's undecidable, but that doesn't mean that you can't infer when it /is/ decidable and leave the program to annotate the tricky bits < 1331419585 791704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and ADTs are totally a type system feature (pattern matching isn't) < 1331419623 86879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do ADTs in a dynamic language. < 1331419628 731892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1331419727 735122 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net TOPIC #esoteric : < 1331419729 764153 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric < 1331419744 80615 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack. did i just change the topic? i was trying to check what it was < 1331419744 420814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331419751 669224 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does not know how to use his irc client* < 1331419773 155443 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Roll out the squirrel! We'll have a squirrel of fun! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331419806 334688 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: what client are you using? < 1331419809 656871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, #esoteric is a remarkably descriptive topic by our standards :) < 1331419814 397470 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-114-255.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331419815 785291 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331419822 720712 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i'm using 'bsfirc' < 1331419833 463513 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unfinished irc client that was abandoned by its author like 8 years ago < 1331419837 670763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: not sure if you saw, but oerjan proved one of your languages TC: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Qdeql < 1331419844 793715 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: why? < 1331419851 953710 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's what i use *shrug* < 1331419854 738358 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's graue. < 1331419861 238403 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, i think that's awesome! < 1331419871 705181 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually wanted to get to the log website and see if that had been discussed here < 1331419900 772165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't really been talked about < 1331419909 613640 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-66.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331419912 527127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just said he was wondering about it and linked the program a few days later :P < 1331419922 756041 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1331419934 64282 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: got it, thanks < 1331419983 17672 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool < 1331420002 855745 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wrong conclusion about Qdeql's computational class was up on the wiki for like 6 years and 5 months :P < 1331420008 686478 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331420020 952242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you figure out what the tables mean, let us know :p < 1331420040 271118 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll keep trying to do that < 1331420051 435635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to get oerjan to prove something is TC is just to say it isn't, if this and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Underload_minimization are anything to go by < 1331420070 332158 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1331420098 460172 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't false's TCnes also proven just recently? < 1331420122 569860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year ago, looks like < 1331420125 264559 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing to me: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/qdeql/gen75 < 1331420132 343750 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the qdeql code is massive compared to the bf code < 1331420187 799429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine it's too fast, either < 1331420228 234513 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it is smaller than underload interpreter in underload that I wrote some time ago < 1331420255 724319 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't use the (code)^ trick < 1331420257 505138 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not an interpreter, it's just code to load a cell with the constant 75 < 1331420265 677828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you did?! i was gonna write those one day < 1331420270 514103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should put it on the wiki < 1331420300 120316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so does this mean nobody ever managed an infinite loop in Qdeql before now? < 1331420325 929485 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not < 1331420340 978665 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I lost it when I accidentally used dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1 instead of dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb1 < 1331420346 389010 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a cat program much shorter than oerjan's BF-converted one: &\*\/\/&/ < 1331420359 476798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, FSAs can loop forever, silly me... < 1331420392 952511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: whoops < 1331420403 976506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: how did you encode the program? < 1331420409 440536 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i could use oerjan's bf to qdeql converter on kmkr's golden ratio in bf program, and it would actually work < 1331420526 6344 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz i mean, i notice that oerjan's examples are relatively more simple than that < 1331420535 175124 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If I remember correctly I encoded them with church numerals < 1331420633 479272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to verify the correctness of small examples... but it looks like the translation is O(n) < 1331420637 907034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :size-wise < 1331420643 458704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could work < 1331420659 127567 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I helped write an abandoned client once < 1331420660 865795 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331420689 379756 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331420713 394416 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares the storage market "fucked up beyond recognition".
< 1331420722 797019 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circe (not the emacs one) < 1331420740 685386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near as I can tell, the most cost-efficient data storage is *external* hard drives. < 1331420766 553313 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1331420775 38290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3TB, $169. < 1331420782 331978 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's cheap < 1331420809 40923 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a 1TB drive 2 years ago, and still haven't filled it < 1331420814 683871 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1331420818 11226 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Madoka-Kaname < 1331420826 406357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ has 75G free here. < 1331420877 576346 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :347G, but would be more if i didn't have tons of backups and stuff stored twice etc < 1331420885 10421 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 40GB HD in my Apple iBook g4/1.2GHz that is my main computer < 1331421009 293719 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm installing a ton of haskell stuff to be able to run BFQdeql.hs < 1331421052 335495 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: So, what, you'd be satisfied with just an SSD? < 1331421087 35699 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it isn't a SSDD '-.- < 1331421093 894078 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SSD < 1331421163 297060 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see the bf->qdeql converter has a catch < 1331421257 622512 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only allows bf programs a fixed number of cells; which can hold nonnegative integers of unbounded size < 1331421295 4270 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is enough for TC, but not how most BF code is written < 1331421340 646033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a minsky machine < 1331421357 955329 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1331421627 173321 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is unbounded-cell BF with 2 cells TC or does it need 3? i forget < 1331421644 195491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unproven i think < 1331421669 855584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan proved 3 is enough and thinks 2 is very unlikely to be enough < 1331421711 951457 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1331421753 582651 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the 3-cell proof online? < 1331421773 275110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, but it's smaller than common ones. < 1331421809 557393 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I used 10GB HD until summer 2011 < 1331421812 905479 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm, i see it's on the Collatz function wiki page < 1331421824 662566 :augur!~augur@pool-96-231-126-88.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331422787 633532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331422796 248755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331422814 585025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had a thought about something that was overthought 5 years ago, that is, quineless languages. < 1331422826 35693 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331422857 634950 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to write a quine in Piet, as the source is an image, and the output is text. < 1331422882 519902 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the source was an .xpm? < 1331422887 725937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output is binary data, is it not? < 1331422898 938679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Then you had better learn your IRC client < 1331422902 436199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt Piet uses Unicode output with unspecified encoding or whatever. < 1331422996 727142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not part of Piet's specification to convert the binary data into an image. < 1331423037 133940 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but your program can print out the binary data corresponding to an image of itself < 1331423062 492643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints binary data which can be converted into an image; it does not print out an image < 1331423070 317056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What? < 1331423085 306016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that argument, brainfuck prints binary data which can be converted into a program file; it does not print out a program. < 1331423097 859875 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1331423099 553488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331423100 75031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Piet program can perfectly well output a .png bit-identical to the one you run it with. < 1331423107 674689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a quine. < 1331423125 776538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just a thought < 1331423142 798796 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quineless language seems kinda trivial to me < 1331423156 769529 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's loads of them < 1331423168 320426 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just specify that all source code files have to begin with a #, and all programs output a ! when they start, or something < 1331423182 596299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was all thought out in 2007 < 1331423211 360588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that everyone gives trivial counterexamples to the wrong theorem :P < 1331423221 832958 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the right theorem? < 1331423261 21434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's a theorem that amounts to "anything TC can compute its own source code", basically formally saying that every TC language has a quine < 1331423284 686956 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhh < 1331423286 206467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't say "every TC language has a program that outputs the ASCII source code of itself and nothing else" :P < 1331423299 462088 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331423445 694236 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That theorem is either incorrect, or so broadly stated as to be uninteresting ... < 1331423451 920227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/quine.html#sec_fp < 1331423534 936622 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is very simple: for a given program t, consider the program h(t) that prints the listing of t. Obviously this h is computable." <-- wrong < 1331423553 862090 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"printing" and "computable" are orthogonal concerns. < 1331423580 792191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1331423604 992489 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a language designed to trivially disprove the quine thing, or at least violate an assumption that a naive statement of it might make < 1331423606 223127 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true; a universal turing machine can't "print" anything < 1331423627 16656 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably make some statement about a clearly-non-TC transform over some broad notion of output state, but you'd end up with a theory that's very uninteresting. < 1331423628 396866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1331423634 292805 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language that, if the first character is ", prints the rest of the code, and if it's not ", just runs as though it's a certain non-I/O TC language < 1331423638 696949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need a notion of "printing" for it to work < 1331423647 47810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "print" as "leave on the tape" or whatever < 1331423674 968776 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my argument is just that if you do that, then you need a transformation from state to source, and once you define that transformation, everything becomes boring. < 1331423685 948296 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you write a quine in Fractran? < 1331423695 274249 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-146-183.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331423739 948652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: by choosing an appropriate encoding for the final result. (Obviously "appropriate encoding" is the problematic thing there) < 1331423744 332330 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-66.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331423754 372870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have a more useful theorem, i agree < 1331423761 845855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (afaik) nobody has formally defined "IO-complete" yet < 1331423774 850319 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... i guess if you could define some sort of 1:1 mapping between fractran programs and single integers, that holds for all valid fractran programs < 1331423801 39608 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fairly simple to do < 1331423802 207251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am fairly confident there exists a bijection between lists of pairs of integers and integers :P < 1331423803 255136 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then write a program P that leaves n=mapping(P) < 1331423811 540319 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, obviously < 1331423818 58596 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could consider that a quine sort of < 1331423820 471312 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that once you have a mapping, you can game your mapping to make it dull. < 1331423823 233856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331423829 553330 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I map all output states to the original program HAHA I WIN < 1331423841 41307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bijection < 1331423842 712648 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not a bijection < 1331423844 536367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, that's a silly mapping < 1331423850 47462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could still cheat by swapping out certain "easy" pairs < 1331423856 229753 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, OK, you define a simple bij---yeah. < 1331423856 526888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is some kind of notion of "uniform bijection" < 1331423862 197541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't treat any input specially < 1331423921 263524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where things get tricky :p < 1331423936 290149 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1331423939 985049 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessssssssssssssssss < 1331423985 224274 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently can't stick with a nick recently. < 1331424024 409352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when you were GregorR? < 1331424095 733428 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes I do. < 1331424105 587086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1331424108 138736 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own that nick any more. < 1331424110 821146 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :ungroup < 1331424113 656441 :ungroup!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331424114 360331 :ungroup!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1331424117 556029 :ungroup!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1331424125 61172 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently /nick and /nickserv aren't the same. < 1331424160 147814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, apparently I do still own that nick. < 1331424184 9849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still own "Taneb" < 1331424186 300823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331424244 338700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't own elliott any more < 1331424280 61273 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by owning a nick? < 1331424292 770204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having it registered with nickerv < 1331424300 413110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickserv, rather < 1331424312 999034 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that be done?! < 1331424321 585857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331424335 794212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own 7 < 1331424342 499386 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Kindle < 1331424345 136702 :Taneb|Kindle!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1331424350 453468 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1331424353 819789 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :ettioll < 1331424356 381994 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :noqmy < 1331424370 559850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: /msg nickserv help register < 1331424382 464704 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no I'm stuck < 1331424395 834945 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :marapreykus < 1331424399 567315 :marapreykus!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331424400 589207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331424403 721765 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1331424488 825174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way, the Piet spec does specify Unicode, but goes no more detailed than that) < 1331424505 468985 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I'm kind of disappointed to find that RocketJSquirrel was free, given how big this network is. < 1331424511 122312 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all the people on this network terrible? < 1331424523 601697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331424523 895930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :RocketKSquirrel < 1331424552 981355 :RocketKSquirrel!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even terribler < 1331424555 775498 :RocketKSquirrel!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331424629 213426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's the difference between a conjecture and a thesis? < 1331424646 647321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The ratio between glucose and fructose. < 1331424715 824053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331424762 467550 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331424821 379379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, internet's dying < 1331424822 682946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1331424824 517951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331424913 544514 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331424922 792318 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331425083 51419 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331425308 815518 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mother accidently deleted the internet past week < 1331425690 666205 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "is not a quine" is not a quine. < 1331425763 854023 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B332.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331425798 126102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about a QR code quine on this channel once, I think it was using PNG format. < 1331425816 170337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen a ZIP quine, which contains a picture as well as a copy of itself. < 1331425883 942475 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you somethin like a recursive compression? < 1331425888 7475 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mean < 1331425915 976084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. < 1331425925 792561 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1331425955 995549 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome mindfuck < 1331425958 814512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also saw a gzip file which when uncompressed, resulted in two copes of the original concatenated together. If you then uncompress that, it will be four copies of the original, and so on. < 1331426130 90423 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite compression ratio, eh? < 1331426472 35017 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331426646 508677 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.swtch.com/zip a detailed writeup about the zipfile quine < 1331426740 370596 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think, that esoos should be based on an existing os with esoteric userland or a completely new kernel written in combination of asm and some esotetic language? < 1331426835 151733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is quite boring < 1331426839 750549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you skip all the OS parts < 1331426885 88382 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh. < 1331426906 401420 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiy < 1331426917 568086 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331427325 729288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Second one. < 1331427495 187147 :dnm_!~dnm@20151241094.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331427804 903877 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331427841 130439 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language would you suggest? < 1331427947 38179 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331428062 402993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no place for PSOX, right? < 1331428063 618420 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331428068 439855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-147.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331428181 711405 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually I might b the api for esoos < 1331428210 163364 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/b/use it for/ < 1331428296 877451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with tha < 1331428297 307344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1331428317 110116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't many esolanguages suited to that low-level fun. < 1331428335 998149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkout is one, but you can't compile it efficiently to today's instruction sets. < 1331428340 320437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that kind of < 1331428378 301849 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the file domain is incomplete. And that you'll need to write your own implementation, unless you want to get CPython running on the OS < 1331428388 267637 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use PSOX I will propably leave networking out < 1331428403 204056 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeio: < 1331428411 671320 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1331428450 457186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1331428463 870189 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck does android keyboard havs enter and backdpace so close?! -.- < 1331428473 250647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think, is there anything truly useful in there besides networking and files? < 1331428479 246177 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the general framework < 1331428510 990187 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which as elliott said may be less suited for languages other than Brainfuck and Checkout (haven't heard of Checkout until now) < 1331428519 790329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1331428525 260483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Checkout isn't even remotely suited to PSOX. < 1331428529 160109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was replying to what language would you suggest? < 1331428535 390565 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1331428548 566619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's true that PSOX limits you sorely with its binary requirement. < 1331428594 183527 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If I use PSIX I will write my own implementation with asm < 1331428613 180501 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PSOX < 1331428619 6493 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least it doesn't limit you to cell-based languages < 1331428627 241684 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331428712 236975 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Does any esoteruc api limit you to cell based languages? < 1331428730 183358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel compelled to point out http://catseye.tc/projects/befos/ < 1331428755 174385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, iirc, PESOIX < 1331428760 684880 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was PSOX's inspiration < 1331428766 160103 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things about PESOIX ticked me off < 1331428850 747882 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it EsoAPI < 1331428857 653434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX was named after PESOIX < 1331428877 902526 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EsoAPI 1.0 calls replace the normal output functions. To perform an EsoAPI operation, write the necessary NUL escape character and function call bytes to the output stream. Some function calls may return a status value in the current memory cell. Any other data will start in the cell following the current memory cell. This should be implemented in a way consistent with the language." < 1331428881 3314 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoAPI < 1331428967 297900 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That is just stupid < 1331429029 24038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my problem with PESOIX was more subtle < 1331429233 950215 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I just create another Esoteric API which needs input and output byte functions < 1331429286 219803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello! ebdcked interesting ebdcked site! I'm really like it! Very, very ebdcked good!" < 1331429296 810046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, Glass could be a decent language to do it with. < 1331429333 604050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has simple semantics without great runtime requirements (just a GC), and has enough abstraction support to allow you to bolt on talk-to-hardware stuff without much effort. < 1331429416 995513 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it need dynamic memory allocation? < 1331429461 597810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but the allocation is explicitly controlled (i.e. you'll know when a piece of code is allocating). And writing a simple allocator+GC can be done in a few hundred lines of assembly code. < 1331429502 46669 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'll look at Glass when I get to my computer < 1331429614 539664 :augur!~augur@pool-96-231-126-88.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331429687 850044 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have pretty simple best fit linked lisr based allocator ready, but it is in 16bit cide < 1331429697 990659 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code < 1331430218 561427 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1331430227 230132 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did #haskell change significantly after i left < 1331430238 13156 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some paranoid fantasy where i'm secretly responsible for all of the dysfunction in that channel < 1331430339 675658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1331430356 591230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pgdown a few times on http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/12.03.10 if you want empirical evidence < 1331430414 605009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write an operating system using a variant of INTERCAL. < 1331430471 985738 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal is kinda boring bacause the please ststem < 1331430630 312665 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :danharaj: In GHC you can make an identifier that doesn't even have a type. < 1331430633 813525 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1331430685 577856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, that Korpela guy answers questions on Stack Overflow. < 1331430688 634664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can? < 1331430729 943188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is danharaj and how can you make an identifier that doesn't have a type? < 1331430743 724020 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. #haskell has only deteriorated in your absence. :-( < 1331430772 842780 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's just me. < 1331430783 327226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf truly has deterioriated in kmc's absence. < 1331430792 534440 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how has it deteriorated < 1331430793 749398 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Data T = froall a. T { unT :: a } < 1331430810 557924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that I've been getting annoyed with it more often. < 1331430836 30511 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/D/d/ < 1331430852 558552 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331430853 870375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, you are correct, I think unT doesn't have a type (or a use). < 1331430858 448214 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have all the reasonable people leave #haskell < 1331430896 964135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It has a use. < 1331430908 107604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern-matching and record construction. < 1331430928 306013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, right. < 1331430944 342855 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION factory resets his phone
< 1331430954 112429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC GHC will display unT's type as T -> a if you convince it to. < 1331430958 610943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think Haddock will document it as such.) < 1331430967 187457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't expose the constructor but expose unT separately.) < 1331430980 371459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cannot use record selector `unT' as a function due to escaped type variables < 1331430986 273944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you convince it to" < 1331430990 383577 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can test it in ghci these days!) < 1331430997 443019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you convince it to" < 1331431000 732646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any way to convince it to. < 1331431007 156528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I think Haddock will document it as such.) < 1331431016 347582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that statement is tautologically true. < 1331431053 559159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If I was reasonable I'd've left #haskell a long time ago, surely. < 1331431111 377415 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still wondering if i should post my screed about #haskell < 1331431128 496299 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel has many redeeming qualities and i don't want to just walk away < 1331431138 561786 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it pisses me off for reasons which are a combination of its and my fault < 1331431168 966236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which parts are your fault? < 1331431211 54388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can practically guarantee posting such a thing will have no benefits other than catharsis... but maybe if you're still annoyed at an IRC channel after not being in it for months that's what you need. < 1331431231 184475 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331431238 532716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catharsis is the word I want there, right? I hate words. < 1331431244 927890 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems correct < 1331431261 508111 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it has no other purpose < 1331431268 684820 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will get people talking < 1331431275 711040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have a purpose, but I doubt that purpose will be fulfilled. < 1331431291 997803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty cynical about the ability of online communities to improve. < 1331431300 748378 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331431336 688105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, toodles. < 1331431338 453764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331431439 563394 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think #haskell is friendly, and they think friendly = helpful < 1331431443 770770 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they think they are very helpful < 1331431453 525707 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if i tell them that friendly ≠ helpful they could be more helpful < 1331431476 721874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, do you want them to be helpful or friendly? < 1331431489 982375 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably both < 1331431494 695495 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not saying they are mutually exclusive < 1331431502 458679 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am saying that being friendly is not itself sufficient for being helpful < 1331431516 131841 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, elaborating every beginner question into an endless argument about monad tutorials is not unfriendly < 1331431536 108562 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done with good intentions < 1331431611 164161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pepole have said the programming language I wanted to invent is similar to a combination between Lisp and Haskell; that is probably part of it but not all of it. < 1331431653 674529 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331431665 895412 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards on IRC are so low that people think #haskell is an amazing channel just because they do not overtly flame noobs < 1331431723 129219 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they should. < 1331431750 318084 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1331431759 734642 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don' agree with that < 1331431808 222859 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think #haskell needs to get significantly less friendly in order to be more helpful < 1331431818 187810 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps less friendly in some particular ways < 1331431942 302142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could ever flame a newbie < 1331431952 435993 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one person I flamed in here a while ago. < 1331431964 727980 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who pretended to know more than he did, iirc < 1331431976 990706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you flame on IRC? I thought that only happened over mail/newsgroups... < 1331432041 363397 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told someone directly that they had no idea what they were talking about < 1331432047 65190 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i was particularly mean about it < 1331432092 843142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett has been UPDATEd < 1331432100 259475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1331432151 339373 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1331432155 112769 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1331434249 891604 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1331434379 709212 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgeo. honqy. hachaf. hswett. < 1331434421 493816 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hon? < 1331434973 28495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331435002 632855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:03:59: i think #haskell is friendly, and they think friendly = helpful < 1331435002 819921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:04:03: and so they think they are very helpful < 1331435002 820207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:04:13: perhaps if i tell them that friendly ≠ helpful they could be more helpful < 1331435009 171055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think they think #haskell is friendly *and* helpful. < 1331435020 263056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell them friendly =/= helpful, they'll just ask you what about all the help they do. < 1331435052 298464 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't you just repeat what kmc said? < 1331435069 262765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331435072 783405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're probably more helpful than most IRC channels, at least. < 1331435093 142019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer misanthropy of a lot of programming language channels I've seen prevents any attempts at help. < 1331435098 778321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is saying that #haskell people think {friendly(#haskell), friendly = helpful}. < 1331435111 191294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convince them that instead friendly =/= helpful, they won't have the belief helpful(#haskell). < 1331435117 560373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying they think {friendly(#haskell), helpful(#haskell), ...}. < 1331435127 29927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convince them that friendly =/= helpful, that won't change their belief that helpful(#haskell). < 1331435201 281359 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Fair enough. < 1331435230 733120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a Haskell book. Almost finished the 3rd chapter. Would like feedback. (bit.ly) < 1331435240 386327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess! < 1331435251 961825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They learned Haskell by reading a book and writing three toy programs a few months ago. < 1331435280 726717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think they "get" monads, but aren't quite sure about "functors". < 1331435287 709679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I hate being such a cynic. Please let me be wrong. < 1331435306 215502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To #haskell, where all questions are answered in majestic stereo." < 1331435310 20550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf!! You'll never believe it! < 1331435313 102615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't wrong. < 1331435357 746305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1331435399 210197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a look at the actual book, as if he needed "evidence".
< 1331435407 920812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is not a serious project." < 1331435428 79424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every language (human or computer) is unique. But there exists a special breed of languages ? those that < 1331435428 266394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge and shape the way one thinks. Haskell is one of them ? lost innovation in a sea of clichés. Un- < 1331435428 266574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, the only people apparently interested in Haskell are academics who blindly push the boundaries < 1331435428 266679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gurus who want to learn ?just one more language?. < 1331435428 588570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more concrete note, if Haskell were to have a list of prerequisites, it would be very unusual indeed ? < 1331435431 564890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two of the following: < 1331435433 566113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435435 597526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extensive programming experience < 1331435437 579160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435439 582264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A background in mathematics < 1331435441 627256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435443 601343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IQ over 130 < 1331435445 592682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435447 659542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perseverence < 1331435449 616520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ < 1331435451 636190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard work < 1331435497 68318 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perse is Finnish for arse. < 1331435545 578133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks to you, I found the book, read some of it, and became annoyed. < 1331435554 322291 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, elliott. Thellileioieliottttt. < 1331435559 381883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/qquc5/im_writing_a_haskell_book_almost_finished_the_3rd/c3zqomv < 1331435587 177334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c = [( f x) ^2 | x <- a , x < 10] -- this really works !" < 1331435589 661947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD IT'S JUST LIKE PYTHON < 1331435594 821612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU HASKELL, I'M LEAVING PYTHON FOREVER < 1331435608 351107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People really need to think of bettter examples of declarative style than list comprehensions. < 1331435616 505461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mathematical applications of Haskell are endless. It's even possible to de?ne and work with monoids [XREF]!" < 1331435618 849182 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :List comprehensions... < 1331435621 518278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX MATHEMATICAL TOOL "MONOID" < 1331435632 502456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY HASKELL SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS FOR TODAY'S MATHEMATICIANS, LETTING THEM USE "MONOID"S < 1331435693 433093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we try to mix wrong types, Haskell throws a type error." < 1331435707 335972 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the things highlighted in red supposed to be wrong? < 1331435719 685282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I should actually think before coding, but the type system is so good :)" - Cale < 1331435749 806277 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning! Backquotes work only with two-parameter functions. < 1331435824 571839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all because Haskell is riddled with complex, counterintuitive or simply mind-boggling elements. Let's < 1331435824 758624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at something interesting. < 1331435824 758817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max 2 3 < 1331435824 758956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- works < 1331435824 759083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max (2 3) -- doesn 't work < 1331435826 607390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( max 2) 3 -- works !! < 1331435828 605828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331435830 606261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1331435832 626510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1331435834 913593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, in C, < 1331435837 579111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max 2 3 /* doesn't work */ < 1331435845 109562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(max,2)(3) /* doesn't work */ < 1331435849 449459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(2,3) /* works!! */ < 1331435857 173188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM Z < 1331435872 912518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a feature, right? < 1331435873 643263 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For starters, ++ concatenates two lists. It's one of the most basic operators. It's associative, so (a ++ b) ++ c is equivalent to a ++ (b ++ c)^7. / ^7 Without this basic property, lists would be stupid. < 1331435875 289372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEATURE Z < 1331435888 778486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHCi treats < 1331435888 965449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :min -3 4 < 1331435888 967746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1331435888 967857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :min (-) 3 4," < 1331435895 481487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> min -3 4 < 1331435896 235399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> a) < 1331435896 423331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1331435897 467494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> min (-) 3 4 < 1331435898 236129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1331435898 424243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1331435940 966751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically all functions accept only one parameter, but it's not healthy to think like this, at least for now ? remember < 1331435944 41847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem Z < 1331435946 561989 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(introduced in 1.2.3)? < 1331435964 538755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where he gets it right paragraphs later: < 1331435964 907029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331435965 383566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, function application has the highest precedence, so if you write < 1331435965 573288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more details see A.1). < 1331435965 573476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 10 + 8, < 1331435965 573582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo 10) + 8 < 1331435966 882764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means < 1331435968 884529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331435975 481974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book isn't real is it < 1331435980 569930 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an elaborate prank right < 1331435981 817979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331435982 238057 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331435983 662286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google docs is super bad at copying < 1331435989 125206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a prank meant to make elliott go insane. < 1331436008 737884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately elliott was already insane. < 1331436011 712972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike most languages, in Haskell a zero-parameter function and a constant are really the same. < 1331436011 899709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, has something to do with Problem Z ? we'll understand what that means soon enough. < 1331436011 899900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This," < 1331436014 765597 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's idempotent. < 1331436026 135124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1331436081 826562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI: the author is brisingr in Freenode. < 1331436092 185190 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331436100 658364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1331436121 927935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh god. < 1331436124 272914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy has been in here before. < 1331436128 510682 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to make fun of people who are in IRC. :-( < 1331436138 990465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: CENSOR THE LOGS CENSOR THE LOGS < 1331436165 444510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't do that! < 1331436176 311901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it gets to unsafeCoerce on page 14. < 1331436178 845346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superb pacing. < 1331436212 238708 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg brisingr elliott is making fun of you in #esoteric < 1331436253 187557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You ruined all our fun! < 1331436254 682993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruined. < 1331436260 544462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun < 1331436260 885933 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have better channels to make fun of people in? < 1331436261 196236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "fun", I mean "pain". < 1331436264 323547 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331436264 583450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "ruined", I mean "saved". < 1331436273 547704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by all of that I mean a turtle. :( < 1331436277 923328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGO? < 1331436282 511989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logo. < 1331436287 100257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331436328 237140 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should write a better Haskell book. < 1331436331 655305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll show 'em. < 1331436337 278482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell sucks. < 1331436368 855371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL IS THE BEST LANGUAGE EVER < 1331436384 688094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not unlike if-else in other languages ? if the statement is true, the < 1331436384 874729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else < 1331436384 874954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :branch won't evaluate and viceversa." < 1331436392 58634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell that to my speculative Haskell evaluator! < 1331436412 945803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tells that to elliott’s speculative Haskell evaluator.
< 1331436421 168504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1331436423 346040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels wanted. < 1331436466 985656 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, a CPU might mispredict the branch in evaluating the C code too! < 1331436475 82466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you still reading that book < 1331436489 378885 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way have we invited brisignre here yet < 1331436493 27873 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Because it involves no effort and is an easy way to feel superior. < 1331436510 323036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. shachaf gets it exactly right. < 1331436523 38400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I'm actually doing it as an intellectual strenghtening exercise. < 1331436535 158513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like beating your head against a wall, except I'm beating my *mind* against a wall. < 1331436540 88319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which amounts to the same thing, but one sounds better. < 1331436567 269112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually strengthening. < 1331436588 644791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. < 1331436632 35108 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that elliott is mean-spirited and blackhearted. < 1331436697 280050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331436740 193139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, Haskell has a strong type system. That means that however similar their internal representations are, the compiler won't allow us to perform illogical calculations on them, such as multiplying an integer with a boolean. This may seem restrictive, but it helps avoid certain types of errors[1] (type errors). < 1331436746 627905 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Imagine working on a long, difficult physics problem asking for some velocity -- but after hours of calculations, the result is in kilograms. That can't be good. < 1331436759 292570 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Haskell prevents that error. < 1331436759 479387 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331436797 762570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke is that doing dimensional things in Haskell is painful. < 1331436800 63119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1331436818 336038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 {- miles per hour -} + 2 {- kilograms -} < 1331436819 104796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436821 716448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436827 713879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's ignoring your comments. < 1331436869 718947 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :: miles per hour < 1331436870 494606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (miles per hour)) from the context () < 1331436870 681815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : aris... < 1331436885 909447 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331436930 679311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 mile per hour + 2 kilograms < 1331436932 115509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436934 33098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436963 667713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mile" < 1331436966 814800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found your error < 1331436978 158701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 miles per hour + 2 kilograms < 1331436979 528832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1331436982 185540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no haskell no < 1331436995 866536 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilometre is too many letters for poor haskell < 1331437024 285147 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that makes doing dimensional stuff *easy*? < 1331437039 249477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink < 1331437052 260108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, it's not statically-checked) < 1331437055 959356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it does units excellently) < 1331437061 236561 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> 1 *~ (mile / hour) + 2 *~ kilo gram < 1331437068 420564 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't match type `Numeric.NumType.Zero' with `Numeric.NumType.Pos Numeric.NumType.Zero' < 1331437089 412579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How astonishingly nice. < 1331437100 840635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO nice. < 1331437118 725865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nice for unit handling. < 1331437124 452694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any other merits. < 1331437161 930778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what are you replying to? < 1331437166 852197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion or me? I assumed ion. < 1331437174 388516 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink. < 1331437179 935496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, elliott. < 1331437181 731500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Frink is astonishingly nice in general. < 1331437193 672834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the bestest calculator. < 1331437205 504699 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let u = 240 *~ volt * sqrt _2; i = u / r; r = 2 *~ kilo ohm; p = u * i in p /~ watt :: CReal < 1331437207 944599 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :57.6 < 1331437208 131558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely being good at unit handling makes it quite nice. < 1331437289 672914 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage frink < 1331437289 861381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/frink < 1331437327 698159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 2 lightseconds -> "meters" < 1331437347 87351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :599584916 meters < 1331437356 966972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :light am fast < 1331437366 477694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, light, slow down there < 1331437435 945268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no light no < 1331437642 490960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes the light bounce around in fiber, reducing its speed by a third.
< 1331437684 997884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ion < 1331437770 430270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like do-notation and list comprehensions anyways; my own one it doesn't have such things (but might be possible to make up something like that using macros) < 1331437812 95242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: thanks ions < 1331437837 706396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OH NO YOU BROKE SCIENCE < 1331437842 607501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ion broke science :-( < 1331437917 396954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest in peace , science . we loved , you . < 1331438014 609654 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331438151 369654 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438504 638768 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-146-183.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331438533 514323 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438632 813804 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331438660 522164 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438976 680778 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-194.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331438984 650651 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-118.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331439390 961721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop monqy im science < 1331439407 946809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331439412 306208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stope < 1331439445 649312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goode. < 1331439940 231101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welcome to floor! < 1331440125 522085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, floor < 1331440202 787216 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: hi < 1331440222 792952 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy++ < 1331440242 942588 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor++ < 1331440271 393564 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma floor < 1331440271 591652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor has a karma of 1 < 1331440273 439159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma monqy < 1331440273 627683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has a karma of 2 < 1331440282 322834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy > floor < 1331440346 897854 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma science < 1331440347 120923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :science has a karma of 0 < 1331440352 880389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1331440376 744705 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea (%rip), science < 1331441315 933312 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-147.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331441324 611095 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-194.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331441848 346356 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331441933 356549 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331441954 608952 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-147.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331442342 578519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blehhhhh i haven't written any code in SO LONG < 1331442377 336013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should finish @! < 1331442391 58738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should shut up! < 1331442408 887323 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a@!b = 42 in f 43 < 1331442409 629206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1331442410 598664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1331442417 656052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442418 408254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442426 395559 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f a@(!b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442427 172360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442436 920722 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (!a)@(!b) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442437 666797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `@' < 1331442459 40581 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(2@(!b)) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442459 770815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `@' < 1331442459 958331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You see those problems you're having? < 1331442463 731418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those don't exist in @. < 1331442480 104171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@(!b)) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442480 894642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442487 747836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f !(a@(!(c@(!d)))) = 42 in f 43 < 1331442488 502646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1331442491 160189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What problems do exist in @? < 1331442494 980488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than, you know, existence. < 1331442525 720757 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is certainly not what you could call an existentialist. And yet @ has existential problems! < 1331442552 505330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish @ existed. < 1331442554 589114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use it*. < 1331442562 748691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1331442566 26177 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use one in my email address. < 1331442583 975318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Does it exist? < 1331442594 781268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of spammers seem to think so. < 1331442618 238944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @: A spammer's operating system. < 1331442623 460271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's an @. < 1331442627 744065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the at sign. < 1331442636 937726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is actually the yet-to-be-decided name of @, you just don't know it yet. < 1331442639 410039 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @ sign. < 1331442648 10116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we figure out what it is, we'll replace all occurrences of @ in the logs with it. < 1331442653 847042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a macro. < 1331442675 967716 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOXI < 1331442680 491405 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define @ a macro < 1331442685 503049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is bad idea to change the logs < 1331442710 799681 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tell me more about you think it is bad idea to change the logs < 1331442711 673420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a good idea. < 1331442765 201934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is automated. We don't know what will happen possibly things will change to not sense, and not know the old name of it, etc; a better idea is to add annotations to existing logs. < 1331442774 281835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if done manually it is not so good. < 1331442822 68420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the probability of any problems occurring when replacing all @s with something else is almost zero. < 1331442837 440642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we could replace @ with " [previously @]", but then the script would get into an infinite loop as it replaces that last @ there. < 1331442872 933682 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [previously an at sign] < 1331442885 768095 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sign formerly known as @ < 1331442919 761496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate ("the sign formerly known as " ++) "@" < 1331442921 339885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["@","the sign formerly known as @","the sign formerly known as the sign fo... < 1331442946 108335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy [previous a monqy] < 1331442965 200436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, it was never an at sign. < 1331442973 179736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say @, you're always saying the name of @. < 1331442982 912930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't fully realise it yet. < 1331442988 946469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [this was never an at sign what are you talking about] < 1331443027 993765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ IS PEACE < 1331443031 902290 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREEDOM IS @ < 1331443036 955129 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ IS STRENGTH < 1331443049 718916 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WAS NEVER AN AT SIGN WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT < 1331443053 761588 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ MACHT FREI < 1331443054 240993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELIOT IS WATCHING YOU < 1331443082 236664 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (map head . group) "elliott" < 1331443083 726962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "eliot" < 1331443886 807975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah, ion's realname doesn't contain any repeated adjacent letters. < 1331443891 663584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cunning plan for revenge is foiled. < 1331444022 945885 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go to the magistrate’s office and change my name for you. Any suggestions? < 1331444088 357877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliott" < 1331444092 984073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@" < 1331444098 562951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1331444130 802427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliott" isn't a palindrome < 1331444140 556165 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is “palindrome” < 1331444198 606741 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@" is a palindrome < 1331444207 513249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "@" < 1331444208 328065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "@" < 1331444218 80700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == reverrse "@" < 1331444218 866590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `reverrse' < 1331444227 49141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == take 1 "@" < 1331444227 834969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444228 670172 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == reverse "@" < 1331444229 431338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444245 424684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@" == [succ '?'] < 1331444246 183250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331444251 247756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1331444252 499349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Does @ have to be a palindrome? < 1331444268 545130 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret name of @ has been discovered through lambdabot trickery! < 1331444275 136067 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @'s name is... "@" < 1331444280 654268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The at sign! < 1331444283 485154 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cunning indeed. < 1331444292 501675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the at sign, surrounded by two double-quote marks. < 1331444309 501527 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :""@"" < 1331444331 528505 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :""""""""""""HELP < 1331444408 918209 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") < 1331444410 415305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"... < 1331444425 94779 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s an @ in the middle. < 1331444465 204115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") in x !! (length x `div` 2) < 1331444470 499695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1331444470 687948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1331444513 533275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1331444515 625512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1331444519 9270 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ < 1331444530 680012 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My middleofthelist function is too slow. :-( < 1331444656 465538 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a:_) [] = a; f (a:_) [x] = a; f (a:as) (b:b':bs) = f as bs; g x = f x x in g "abcdef" < 1331444657 409701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd' < 1331444663 298554 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's better. < 1331444671 588400 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a:_) [] = a; f (a:_) [x] = a; f (a:as) (b:b':bs) = f as bs; g x = f x x in g $ fix (\s -> "\"" ++ s ++ "\"") < 1331444673 993231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1331444682 395000 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1331444686 448161 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just wait a few years, Moore’s law will make computers fast enough eventually. < 1331444692 453231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if his infstrings hack can support a "middle of the string" function.
< 1331444710 99152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Moore's Lawyers! < 1331444748 141029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copute is a derivative of the understanding I gained from my 2006-2008 Universal Theory of Everything (basically that the universal trend of entropy to maximum is the fundamental force), which was recently proven by Erik Verlinde." -- if you're confused, Compute is a programming language. (Hope you're even more confused now.) < 1331444755 876202 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :infstrings? < 1331444791 753208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://sprunge.us/BXMM < 1331444800 150454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is copute < 1331444829 860297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what a coputer does < 1331444841 637678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: < 1331444842 143215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start :: (forall a. (Stringy a) => a) -> String < 1331444842 330079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start x = take 25 x < 1331444842 330277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end :: (forall a. (Stringy a) => a) -> String < 1331444842 330383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end x = reverse (take 25 (getDual x)) < 1331444845 366710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These break if you make them point-free. < 1331444873 91912 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love you < 1331444875 498733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What an original name for your monoid! < 1331444899 185431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's not a monoid! It violates the monoid laws. This hack is sort of in transition to becoming better, but hasn't quite got there yet. < 1331444913 984655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an original name for your Monoid < 1331444946 474456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a devious name for your nonmonoid! < 1331444969 277636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diabolical < 1331444981 582957 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heh, interesting. < 1331444984 807003 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331445019 786983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why does it break if you make them point-free. :-( < 1331445068 91489 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love elliott < 1331445070 915389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you too < 1331445074 568228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank n types love everyone < 1331445079 591662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you rank n types < 1331445088 531088 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've found me out < 1331445093 672623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331445105 599241 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-156.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445117 734722 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoALTz: monqy is rank n types < 1331445389 648977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Khan you fixhe the @,e thaneyk uoi < 1331445426 147642 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ask elliott what < 1331445438 652529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott what < 1331445444 749428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assuming no random inputs, the program's behavior is always deterministic (repeatable from initial conditions) w.r.t. the code as the observer. Fortunately1 this total observer never exists for program coded in a language with unbounded recursion, i.e. Turing-complete. < 1331445444 936360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1331445446 113877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1A total observer would mean knowledge is static. Since software is the encoding of knowledge, software would become static. A person could eventually know everything. Then I posit that nothing would exist." < 1331445454 202358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf elliott what < 1331445454 390944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445459 757851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CS woo mixed with Theory of Everything woo. < 1331445462 887189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445463 74131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... so beautiful < 1331445463 260623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy asked 8s ago: elliott what < 1331445464 699938 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-156.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331445474 617208 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy @ask elliott what < 1331445474 805423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445480 155338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445480 343660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 6s ago: @ask elliott what < 1331445487 660434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott what < 1331445487 848820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445496 37488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy no < 1331445507 304256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf yes < 1331445507 492253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331445509 284615 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now elioitlit wil get mad :( < 1331445509 473089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331445512 738088 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331445512 926659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy asked 5s ago: yes < 1331445607 577991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see you're doing your bit to make this place slightly worse than #haskell. < 1331445607 801173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331445702 793762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < elliott> shachaf: Khan you fixhe the @,e thaneyk uoi < 1331445730 610310 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-236.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445762 105431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That's slightly better than #haskell. < 1331445961 819375 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-251.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331445974 5312 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446124 774598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-236.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446272 920245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shachaf's caused me to actually start thinking about @, but can I just offload the thinking onto you? < 1331446294 37349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 2AM, I am going to fix all of the clocks in my house < 1331446302 595626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to do that too? < 1331446318 706482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are my clocks broken? < 1331446319 936145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is no escape < 1331446337 240519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. Can you look at it? < 1331446354 738576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1331446362 285230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it no longer says the time, but instead just says OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK all the time, then it might be broken.) < 1331446362 472080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no escape. < 1331446366 778592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331446368 840630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now. < 1331446370 946398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: < 1331446374 243843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK < 1331446558 860464 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-116-165.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446589 778783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it say it all the time? < 1331446604 892346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "OK " < 1331446606 77358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK... < 1331446607 975921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stare at it forever to find out. < 1331446724 815336 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-251.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446796 974827 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331446899 692995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1331446901 512567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck! < 1331446903 462022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick < 1331446903 879538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446904 801683 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-116-165.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331446906 738615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of you has to change their name. < 1331446906 925167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446913 915377 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YAY < 1331446915 726188 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1331446916 657851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1331446919 989563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331446922 7342 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all welcome shachaf < 1331446923 660569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a party < 1331446930 250368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shachaf is welcome < 1331446957 728893 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks. been browsing tons of random pages on the Wiki this evening < 1331447170 454341 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME SHACHAF < 1331447174 976916 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447188 420203 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1331447227 309072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I forget the existence of `WELCOME just as a newbie comes in. < 1331447252 744404 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331447307 865625 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331447346 507151 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a language where all functions take only keyword arguments and the keywords can be in any order
< 1331447354 723804 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME shachaf < 1331447358 153975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447367 259299 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME PSOX < 1331447370 605002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331447391 181130 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god, what has my arrival done?.. < 1331447392 267101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is PSOX not welcome < 1331447394 455208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks" - psox < 1331447420 16776 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, trust me, we're rarely not this insane. < 1331447425 702145 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1331447433 527651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Don’t trust him. < 1331447476 989930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: We're usually stupider than this... but also usually more entertaining. < 1331447479 344339 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a feeling this channel might be a little insane, after seeing some of the languages on the Wiki < 1331447484 407972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf will now snark back at me. < 1331447486 548614 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't doubt it < 1331447505 306486 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reading Eodermdrome's article.. < 1331447518 3331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331447527 325472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await shachaf's backsnark < 1331447532 373436 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, do not disappoint < 1331447535 865243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Eodermdrome, did anyone ever stop saying they're going to implement it and implement it? < 1331447541 15370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No.) < 1331447546 741092 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still says unimplemented < 1331447564 844549 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331447575 82956 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: boojum < 1331447584 515112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331447674 280388 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331447702 963873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: If you haven't got to Underload and ///, those two are lesser-known (compared to brainfuck, INTERCAL etc.) gems. < 1331447757 204085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've gotten to snack, < 1331447790 879669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've gotten to Snack then you can stop. < 1331447812 296923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you get to Esme you'll probably forget what you're doing.) < 1331448541 466844 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how (lambda () (+ "5" "6")) gives me a warning in SBCL < 1331448548 629546 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331448559 524050 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a problem < 1331448677 57073 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing./ < 1331448683 579734 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331448684 522939 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331448734 815150 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331448840 260447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331449075 109350 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-92.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331449867 45377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331449904 821849 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-144-92.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331449951 764480 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-77.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331450810 643994 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-116.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331450894 860595 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-77.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451230 817436 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-205.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451344 777779 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-138-116.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451412 136595 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451462 243540 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-140-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451531 463752 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331451592 869941 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out how to write a quine in a language that cannot do arithmetic on characters, nor convert integers to characters < 1331451614 816583 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-205.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331451803 535318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451838 937928 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-91.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331451974 802467 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-140-159.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452375 912454 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-179.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331452424 821170 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-91.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452630 25489 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-255.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331452685 619417 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Is either of those needed to write a quine? < 1331452726 637787 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1331452753 556416 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. "the usual way" :-) < 1331452760 49133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is there a specific language you have in mind?) < 1331452766 190327 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortle < 1331452814 907426 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-118-179.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452877 22649 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common pattern in quines seems to be to have a string that's displayed twice in different forms, e.g. once as an array of character codes and once as a string, or once raw and once with quote marks escaped, or something < 1331452904 887353 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-255.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331452941 269509 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here i have q := "something with lots of escaped backslashes and quotes" and i need to iteratively create a version of q with all the escapes reinserted < 1331453143 724194 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way it's normally done. < 1331453174 147394 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this programming language is really sick, too (and it's my fault, i created it) < 1331453221 887930 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no minus operator, you need to store a value in 2 different places to be able to iteratively do anything with it, it's stack-based but without a swap operator... < 1331453255 570056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot more constraints than "a language that cannot do arithmetic on characters, nor convert integers to characters" < 1331453286 631343 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had a specific language with that property in mind < 1331453308 698896 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sortle is TC, though, assuming i wrote this program correctly (it seems to work): http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/src/bct.sort < 1331453655 689891 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331453671 271853 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331453694 312996 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-51.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331453927 998429 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454104 847953 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331454118 283679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454284 861420 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-234-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331454483 711812 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-130.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454608 121117 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331454794 981083 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-130.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455088 69268 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-96.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331455124 833386 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455240 327214 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-37.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331455394 976129 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-96.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331455514 980728 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-37.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331456493 737276 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331456627 891606 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-134-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331456674 300442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's Sunday, isn't it? < 1331456685 251364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Monday, I'm at work at the moment < 1331456688 611958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that < 1331456692 689763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was wondering why there was nobody here < 1331456804 988264 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-189.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331456826 44651 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, well done < 1331456829 974308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck DST. < 1331456838 930075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331456845 408168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:59 is followed by 03:00. :( < 1331456864 699912 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that happened to me too < 1331456873 393524 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an hour ago < 1331456890 15039 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it two hours ago? < 1331456940 929704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes ago here. < 1331457025 597070 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T minus 50 mins for me < 1331457184 639397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for eodermdrome, if a command has an input set, would it get a char from stdin, check it against the input set, then check if the match graph is a subgraph of the state? or should it check if the match is a subgraph before consuming input and continuing < 1331457194 166243 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just reading this eodermdrome page < 1331457221 702833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: it only consumes input if it matches, IIRC < 1331457234 171346 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting design haha < 1331457245 145858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, matches the input set too < 1331457256 609686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the input isn't in the input set, it isn't consumed even if the subgraph matches < 1331457369 589486 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok cool, and one more question: the ascii art graph uses pipes to connect the nodes, and the nice "initial state" picture uses single headed arrows.. are the edges one-way/directed? < 1331457384 234891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're undirected < 1331457453 863429 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think you'd ever be able to pull of an interpreter for this? haha < 1331457463 599368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to figure out how to do it efficiently < 1331457473 321896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC oklopol tried; I can't remember if he succeeded < 1331457473 850061 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine so < 1331457485 606572 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that's lost to the "mists of time" < 1331457490 661023 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gave up on it < 1331457698 881593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it did a thing. < 1331457719 378533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dug up some pastebin-ish snippets of it the other year. < 1331457723 554930 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was it the right thing? < 1331457754 607643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficiency wasn't part of the goals of that interpreter, I think. < 1331457844 283832 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think just getting something working would be a priority < 1331457848 738291 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's none at all < 1331457923 655148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-22 14:12:41 [2008-07-17 19:06:16] < oklopol> i implemented eodermdrome < 1331457946 904928 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331458025 150211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the only pasted bit I could find was http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p646231414.txt + http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p565155612.txt which doesn't look very complete. < 1331458034 877015 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-134-217.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331458136 933506 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1331458154 786948 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now don't take this seriously, but I think I'm gonna write a version < 1331458160 626839 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a small basis in Python as aprototype < 1331458163 233791 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prototype < 1331458522 744364 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally a change of subject, but: i think i have figured out how to write a quine in sortle! < 1331458551 763875 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: The last time I looked at this channel that was the subject. < 1331458558 222326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So from my perspective you haven't changed it at all. < 1331458570 569363 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect! < 1331458586 228732 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I heard you were scary, by the way. < 1331458590 41806 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you scary? < 1331458595 106687 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331458605 528509 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like a huggy little teddybear < 1331458609 138446 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely nonthreatening < 1331458609 440670 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said you were a scary, scary man. < 1331458612 167636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1331458629 525819 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was Alan Dipert? No, I think it was you. < 1331458634 59998 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, i don't know why he would be scared of me < 1331458662 725937 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than scared that i would fail to maintain the wiki properly when i hosted it < 1331458671 685614 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the same as being a scary man < 1331458785 386695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331458786 389844 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: have you written it yet? or is it just the idea for now? < 1331458797 101177 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is partially written < 1331458918 597582 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be 5 lines with the last line being really long < 1331458959 582817 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how feasible/infeasible Lispnomic would be
< 1331458965 662622 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense than HaskellNomic, really < 1331459054 184349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaskellNomic? Not making it hard enough. < 1331459060 985887 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-248.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331459069 908127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86BinaryOnBiosNomic < 1331459119 91825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, heck, let's make it worse. < 1331459122 795252 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86BiosNomic < 1331459150 928021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snack nomic, esme nomic < 1331459205 298385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESME!!!!!!!!! < 1331459206 711998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your turn < 1331459312 822769 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-204.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331459388 491243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331459425 990064 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-248.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331459466 695284 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that his name is Dagoth Ur < 1331459470 813752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have eaten as a snack right 2 people. Happy?" < 1331459474 451595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean? < 1331459484 38930 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snack. right. < 1331459498 912966 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that his langauge skills fail in more than just programming? < 1331459519 708320 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/langauge/language/ oops < 1331459537 620253 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, sweet irony. < 1331459546 384298 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks.
< 1331459605 107522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that the Dagoth at Esolang has the comma in a different place from the Dagoth in Morrowind < 1331459722 827583 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I googled "Dagoth Ur, Mad God" in quotes < 1331459729 356225 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of various wiki user pages for him < 1331459743 193987 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even realise that there was a comma < 1331459794 254868 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from one of the results' snippets in the search: "Dagoth Ur, Mad God, also known as Jhjnju, DUMG, or simply Dagoth, is an Australian troll and vandal." < 1331459808 406675 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only saw Esme tonight < 1331460020 481972 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331460371 749542 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaan this quine runs SLOW < 1331460390 396273 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to go through a long loop replacing all the escaped characters < 1331460394 220203 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a huge string < 1331460430 284399 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see how the example bitwise cyclic tag interpreter code for eodermdrome should work out.. the first move leaves us with the graph "miewehit" and no other actions' math graphs are subgraphs of that < 1331460550 317302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… miewehit has a triangle (formed by ieh), once of whose corners is connected to two degree-one nodes, one of whose corners is connected to one degree-one node < 1331460555 45542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the letters aren't part of the graph itself < 1331460566 386655 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSS < 1331460568 316561 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quine works! < 1331460574 850128 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1331460601 841142 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes 714 expression evaluations and like 5 minutes to execute, but it prints its own goddamn source exactly < 1331460613 22413 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: ahah anice < 1331460622 812532 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: k thanks. I'm trying to look into this more < 1331460666 423828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and byanad buguramat requires a degree-at-least-3 node connected to two degree-exactly-one nodes, and to be connected by a degree-exactly-two node to any other node < 1331460683 237338 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: what language? < 1331460690 993885 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortle I believe < 1331460701 423896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the (1) and (0) lines should both match the initial state < 1331460723 445257 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yeah, sortle < 1331460754 126242 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok I think I see what you mean. I just gotta draw this stuff out haha < 1331460778 122732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: there are some ASCII art drawings linked from the article, might save you the trouble < 1331460886 204801 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hah I've gotta read the Wiki article on Graph isomorphism now as well. I'm not very well versed in this stuff at all < 1331460892 910755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wait, I wonder if elliott will let us create Category:Shameful now. < 1331460902 127882 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this quine is awesome < 1331460908 349994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's funnier as a redlink < 1331460912 830751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: link? < 1331460958 302695 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331461007 538824 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hold on, i made a slight modification to make it shorter < 1331461021 887589 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i have to test it to make sure i didn't mess up (it took 2m39s to run last time) < 1331461024 845708 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll upload < 1331461138 912095 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f18.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331461237 567495 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/2126776 < 1331461275 885487 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1331461343 25677 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run it using http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/impl/sortle.pl < 1331461358 546036 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other interpreter written in C is hopelessly buggy, so it won't work < 1331461387 905719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes perhaps Category:Shameful is better as a link to a nonexistent page < 1331461634 839919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the most basic level of ephemeris software interface would be a function taking a date/time, major object number, and minor object number as input; and as output you have three sets of XYZ coordinates: the center, the north pole, and the longitude reference. And then apply other geometry and trigonometry and whatever to make up the other stuff it should be sufficient, even for rotation. < 1331461686 51326 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-250.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331461723 892305 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you make it work as version for marsians too? :P < 1331461776 172725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: The way I have described it, yes it works for Martians too. But I do not know of implementation of such a thing as this, however. < 1331461795 31546 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-204.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331461922 578176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be easy enough to subtract XYZ coordinates to center it on any planet, sun, or moon; from there you can convert to angles. < 1331462348 274397 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1331462804 595963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I don't really know a lot about ephemeris calculations; I am simply describing a programming interface which could be implemented by any ephemeris program, and then everything else can be defined in a common way from that. < 1331462816 254527 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331462863 536098 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Updating to TenFourFox 11 < 1331463029 739885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possible things to implement in terms of the basic function: sidereal time, apparent positions (taking speed of light into account), precession, ecliptic and equatorial coordinates, houses, phase of moon, horizon coordinates, etc) < 1331463119 503178 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331463427 817215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class EphemerisClass x where { openEphemeris :: String -> IO x; closeEphemeris :: x -> IO (); accessEphemeris :: EphTime -> ObjMajor -> ObjMinor -> x -> IO (Either EphemerisError (XYZ, XYZ, XYZ)); }; data Ephemeris = Ephemeris { getEphemeris :: forall x. EphemerisClass x => x }; might be specification of this interface in Haskell. < 1331463844 398823 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331464291 275344 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME tzxn3 < 1331464298 839998 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZXN3: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331464351 563953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZXN3, THAT LINK IS BROKEN, YOU SHOULD GO TO http://ESOLANGS.ORG/wiki/Main_Page INSTEAD. < 1331464367 310580 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE WE SHOUTING < 1331464379 838416 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE WE CAN < 1331464380 696135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE ALL ANGRY < 1331464437 256097 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not < 1331464594 462952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT ABOUT PIERS MORGAN < 1331464599 948179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU BE ANGRY WHILE HE LIVES < 1331464607 177125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOT BE ANGRY < 1331464978 606983 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care < 1331464985 836999 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-232.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465000 410426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(welcome MoALTz) < 1331465139 70715 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-250.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331465327 49981 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465435 554598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-99.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331465447 63677 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-136-232.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331465541 651200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331465561 395397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331465831 571223 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitaneb. Did you see the most reeetn update? < 1331465854 295197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Lord English? < 1331465868 496925 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331465877 433056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have < 1331465895 748806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Andrew Hussie's avatar is going to be killed < 1331466330 482576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a particularly insightful theory, given that LE was holding his severed head. < 1331466341 86787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was!? < 1331466368 521970 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/128272 does this make any sense? < 1331466371 327711 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it doesn't < 1331466387 616903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aif? < 1331466392 157411 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaphoric if < 1331466401 260453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Robot Hussie. < 1331466405 899507 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usual definitions just mean doing the test and letting it be the result of the test. < 1331466410 246845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot Hussie may not be Hussie < 1331466414 683671 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This definition does something rather different, as far as I can tell < 1331466433 709674 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using it within the body of the else, unless I'm mistaken, will result in the test being executed again. < 1331466453 63309 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that it even runs, considering ... oh, it will run < 1331466475 139509 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, no wonder the name Andrew Hussie sounded familiar. He’s half of the group who made http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CCCF2C09E92679B < 1331466487 697246 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s his avatar? < 1331466534 420846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character in MS Paint Adventures, which he writes < 1331466753 283168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant i stop < 1331466754 394997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch < 1331466831 856044 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wrote a digital root program in sortle < 1331466864 608414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331466876 428925 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's got a digital root, quine, BCT implementation and fibonacci < 1331466887 510858 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too shabby < 1331466898 478259 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/sortle/src/digroot.sort < 1331467035 645697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331467042 712029 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1331467072 134749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1331467077 51478 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have looked at your work on qdeql with great interest < 1331467088 755720 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with particularly great comprehension < 1331467090 689652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331467094 239623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :P < 1331467159 652464 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the precise flaw in my 6-year-old reasoning for declaring it not TC? < 1331467211 374022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i could see, the idea that you couldn't get back to a spot without knowing the precise length of queue to traverse < 1331467223 491672 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you do that? < 1331467277 682535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my first idea after realizing that weakness was that if you have a string of an unknown number of copies of 255 0 0, then you can pass over all of them with \\/\// < 1331467299 56832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you will notice that's the default command for the data section in the table) < 1331467305 143538 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331467421 464300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a problem with that, though - it gobbles up a 0 at the end, which is awkward to replace. the entire factory construction grew out of the attempt to replenish that zero. (i'm still not entirely convinced there isn't a simpler way.) < 1331467469 171152 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see... you have an arbitrary length string of "nonzero 0 0", terminated by an extra 0 < 1331467510 843399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the factory had other advantages, it can both be adjusted to produce almost as many zeros as you want, and it can absorb garbage 255's at the other end. < 1331467560 189557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yep. < 1331467597 278289 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular reason you use numbers other than 255 and 0? < 1331467675 144138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yes, the factory depends on being able to get _rid_ of its 255 again, which can only be done by decrementing them. < 1331467682 36557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*255's < 1331467713 975563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the only way to "release" the zeros at produces at the left end. < 1331467806 864782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my problem was that the only way to produce zeros is to the right of a non-zero, which doesn't help when you want to supply zeros toward the left. < 1331467821 573868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it produces < 1331467840 212435 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331467915 860041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have not found a way to produce them fast using just non-zeros at the end of the data loop, but i haven't proved that it's completely impossible, either.) < 1331467923 387112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fast enough < 1331467934 829811 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "fast enough"? < 1331468005 14729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast enought to replenish what the data loop gobbles up. < 1331468013 202186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t < 1331468116 327515 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your bf to qdeql translator fully complete/correct now? < 1331468178 554127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, yes. it's for a fixed (but arbitrary) number of cells, as stated. also it will crash if you try to decrement a 0. (i _can_ fix that but it makes - take two cycles instead of one.) < 1331468222 913227 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's really cool < 1331468305 999409 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to translate infinite cells with fixed size to finite cells with infinite size easily? < 1331468342 695562 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question i was thinking about (but s/infinite/unbounded/g) < 1331468349 670842 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am currently working on that < 1331468352 870804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's a link to such a construction in the brainfuck article, i think < 1331468411 580966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: however there is probably a more direct way, though. you could make the data section have the form 255 0 b1 255 0 0 b2 ... instead, and pass over with \\/\/=/. < 1331468466 175585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured that would make each brainfuck command more complicated though - with a two-stack construction, you need a multi-cycle loop just to move bytes for a > or < < 1331468486 262264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331468495 641505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*255 0 0 b1 255 0 0 b2 ... < 1331468515 47762 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b1 and b2 would be two adjacent bytes on bf's tape? < 1331468519 577768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331468549 86242 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1331468563 137302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the stacks would probably store 255 0 0 -b1 instead, that makes copying slightly more efficient i think. < 1331468583 835708 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck article has frans faase's reduction from 5-register UTMs in 5-cell bf, and your reduction from iterated collatz functions to 3-cell bf < 1331468603 641941 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no procedure to translate from unbounded-cell bf to n-cell bf < 1331468629 211778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've seen it, maybe it is linked from faase's page? < 1331468654 166129 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to do integer division by 2 with bf using 2 cells? < 1331468678 215735 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: from a quick look doesn't seem to be < 1331468786 62582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: try my [[Collatz function]] converter, it can do that. < 1331468908 620360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn now faase's pages don't load < 1331468931 415603 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have http://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_Turing.html up < 1331468952 821285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i got it < 1331469159 893765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: i guess he starts with turing machines, although translating from bounded cell bf to turing machines is sort of trivial. < 1331469400 669045 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331469763 894387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it may be he's just handling _one_ particular TM. < 1331470041 432093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by trivial i mean: make each position in the bf program a TM state, and then the transition table basically writes itself.) < 1331470088 418435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make each byte value a symbol. < 1331470629 439335 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a conversion table from infinite 1bit cells bf to 3 unbound cells bf and now my brain hurts < 1331470665 373769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331470685 428785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: perhaps interleaving the 1bit cells for each unbound cell? < 1331470713 833487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary would also make it easier, i think. < 1331470766 515434 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oearjan: I tried to create a tape using two stacks but it didn't really work, because I couldn't get moving item from stack to another work < 1331470818 527264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait _from_ infinite 1bit, hm. < 1331470844 195759 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed at least 6 cells < 1331470879 159658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: if you want to go down to 3 cells, you need to go via something like fractran. < 1331470910 970639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mind you it's still awkward. i still don't know how to do arbitrary _output_. < 1331470924 242899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any interleaved input/output.) < 1331471169 92738 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: before you got here, i was working on a DIFFERENT language i invented in 2005, sortle < 1331471179 150058 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here are the fruits of my labors: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sortle#Examples < 1331471359 788005 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty happy about that quine < 1331471562 17595 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep time < 1331471574 527561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1331471870 471551 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the bf to qdeql cell number limit fixed to 3 cells or can it use be limited to any given number of cells < 1331471956 492554 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what have you done? http://www.nature.com/news/lsd-helps-to-treat-alcoholism-1.10200 < 1331471972 117612 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The study1, by neuroscientist Teri Krebs and clinical psychologist Pål-Ørjan Johansen of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, is the first-ever quantitative meta-analysis of LSD–alcoholism clinical trials. < 1331471976 153740 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472000 866235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr seeing that Pål-Ørjan guy when googling myself < 1331472035 712735 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331472054 321024 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burden of being the namesake of a celebrity < 1331472058 966032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: any fixed number, the haskell converter takes it as a command line argument. < 1331472066 541079 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472072 337959 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important thing is cheater wasn't googling you, rather he was seeking a cure for his alcoholism < 1331472168 614107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: mind you the higher the number, the more the translation blows up (because it often has to rotate through all the cells before doing another real action) < 1331472249 647687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wasn't false's TCnes also proven just recently? < 1331472260 202138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's was a site effect of the underload one, actually < 1331472265 27659 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just reading HN < 1331472269 888190 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't drink alcohol at all < 1331472300 164497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1331472325 237522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1331472885 776218 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331472888 566005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-184.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331473662 451032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/God < 1331473683 115182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Star Trek universe, God is represented primarily through the medium of passport photos. < 1331473719 181402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _all_ passport photos, surely. < 1331473845 255319 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaka when the walls fell < 1331473951 290114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how better to know the mind, or at least the face unobscured by hair and glasses, of God? < 1331473961 989828 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved the southpark version of god, who himself pretends to be a buddhist < 1331474335 300371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331474338 171301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :822) I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1331474340 412059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :words to live by. < 1331474694 640369 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what got you interested in qdeql? < 1331474719 831738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: your edit where you added the FSA category :P < 1331474798 189145 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, when i did that i was basing it off the article text that said qdeql was equivalent to smetana < 1331474831 339583 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at the time, i could have sworn was written by chris pressey < 1331474850 268737 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i viewed the history and saw that paragraph was actually written by me, i was astonished < 1331474966 84958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much ironic < 1331474991 543142 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i wouldn't have been so quick to assume it was accurate, if i knew i had written it myself < 1331475037 473989 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331476331 147705 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331476520 582634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331477469 625825 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [PROG][WRITE:"Hello, world!"][ENDPROG] < 1331477546 731565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to write with? bfnG ['?' for help]: < 1331477581 95205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ground twigs. < 1331478568 117868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get some very weird google image search responses for bfn < 1331478572 742195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^bfng < 1331478845 315969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331478907 988737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331479066 807662 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (not.flip elem "aeiou") "befunge" < 1331479068 233642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bfng" < 1331479187 789882 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331479273 92194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331481142 526576 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1331481160 375950 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331484674 525909 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i search the log again? < 1331484692 471581 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1331484822 578806 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log *elliott*cicadas* < 1331484825 595683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat < 1331484836 826754 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log cicadas* < 1331484844 14254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-04-26.txt:07:29:25: Could be worse. Could be Oklahoma, and get a bunch of cicadas flying in... < 1331484866 908864 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use wildcards? < 1331485021 75615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wildcards, but regexps < 1331485042 158622 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thank you < 1331485135 732350 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485151 461739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:16:58:55: `log .*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485170 149778 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine! < 1331485177 933575 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1331485183 424540 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: `log *elliott*cicadas* look like it's using wildcards < 1331485328 332715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put square brackets around one of the letters to avoid accessing itself < 1331485376 675645 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[hagb4rd].*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485409 528296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331485452 820365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, around a single letter. < 1331485457 745668 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log *[hagb4rd]*elliott*cicadas* < 1331485460 825809 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat < 1331485485 395276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[h]agb4rd.*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485501 88964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:17:04:17: `log *[hagb4rd]*elliott*cicadas* < 1331485582 378091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log PROCEDURE DIVISION. SEARCH 'cicadas'. STOP RUN. < 1331485586 643526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does cobol too < 1331485589 85205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:17:06:22: `log PROCEDURE DIVISION. SEARCH 'cicadas'. STOP RUN. < 1331485613 536575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it works just as well as wildcards :> < 1331485643 573918 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*[!4].*elliott.*cicadas.* < 1331485661 96967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-11.txt:16:53:42: `log *elliott*cicadas* < 1331485680 231465 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the regexp for NOT < 1331485686 220489 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh < 1331486026 459601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331486092 385702 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-101.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331487720 636691 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331487834 502839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shameful? < 1331488080 52893 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331488759 529579 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489247 433361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489431 902270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-101.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331489669 127197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331489712 812071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just created [[Category:Shameful]] again... < 1331489824 202746 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where we put terrible BF derivatives? < 1331489877 767813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, [[Category:Shameful]] has far more stringent standards (and does not officially exist). < 1331489884 221196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Shameful < 1331490194 805331 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310102926] < 1331490266 599922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not is what we have not got! < 1331490671 699933 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the page say? < 1331490724 96111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, it was "Yes, shameful.". < 1331490730 954733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time, it was "Ain't it a shame?". < 1331490787 155904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:11:31: `WELCOME tzxn3 < 1331490787 342989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:11:38: TZXN3: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331490787 529611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:12:31: TZXN3, THAT LINK IS BROKEN, YOU SHOULD GO TO http://ESOLANGS.ORG/wiki/Main_Page INSTEAD. < 1331490791 586238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HE'S BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU IDIOT < 1331490794 753055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE CAME FROM THE WIKI < 1331490810 910707 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331490829 394319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME SGEO < 1331490833 295019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGEO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331490865 624585 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That link is still broken < 1331490907 654591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331490938 358886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, fizzie, can I call upon your superpowers? < 1331490951 879344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DID YOU CREATE [[CATEGORY:SHAMEFUL]]? < 1331490964 584064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331491055 958785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY. < 1331491077 753425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use whois? < 1331491180 768464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EH? < 1331491215 606980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must have a log of who created it. < 1331491245 982176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331491272 317027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it either gives a username or an IP? < 1331491303 203147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP. WHICH IS WHY I ASKED < 1331491316 890715 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU SHOULD ADD A REDIRECT FOR THAT ONE URL JUST SO THAT `WELCOME WORKS BETTER. < 1331491327 971409 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm competing with you in nick length now. < 1331491335 779323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so whoising the IP should show if it's an Edinburgh address or not. < 1331491341 383948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, who were you before? < 1331491346 686212 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor < 1331491348 816089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or Friendship < 1331491350 73561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1331491365 155478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST AS I HAD PLANNED ALL ALONG < 1331491370 163738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ASKING YOU WAS EASIER. < 1331491381 277450 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discovery that this nick was free brought great joy to me and my aviator's helmet. < 1331491382 147665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I ALREADY SAID THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE IT A (READ-ONLY) VIEW ONTO THE WIKI WHERE EVERYTHING IS UPPERCASED. < 1331491401 889600 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSS < 1331491404 869292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ANYONE KNOWS A PROGRAM FOR TRANSFORMING HTML IN THIS WAY (WITHOUT E.G. DISTURBING THE CONTENTS OF SCRIPT TAGS), PLEASE LET ME KNOW. < 1331491499 844144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I COULD WRITE ONE IN JAVASCRIPT HYUK HYUK < 1331491503 535010 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Client-side) < 1331491517 229724 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use webfonts < 1331491532 859975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. use a font where lower-case characters look uppercase < 1331491535 771437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: FORBIDDEN < 1331491537 225221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Laaaaame, wouldn't copypaste right. < 1331491542 855734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh wait, I can just text-transform: uppercase... < 1331491545 514208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what RocketJSquirrel said. < 1331492010 792028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is unclear on whether f.lux even works on non-APT systems.
< 1331492017 958168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is supported for. < 1331492024 112985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, it definitely depends integrally on a package manager. < 1331492031 161019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses it to tell the time. < 1331492101 868857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41229 < 1331492112 725687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no my name was mentioned. Is something the up? < 1331492121 223574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, *is distributed for < 1331492132 188583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it was obvious what I meant. < 1331492144 181576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We'r arest you. < 1331492149 604445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorey. < 1331492210 610341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ou nou. < 1331492270 561641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you use your awesome powers to glue the entire Reddit Epic Thread into one page? < 1331492282 133082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, I was going to do that. < 1331492293 774055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YOUR POWERS ARE NOT AS AWESOME AS FIZZIE'S < 1331492308 990841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was supposed to, already, but got sidetracked and forgot. < 1331492320 371440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Keep forgetting! < 1331492322 775839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are no longer a MAN < 1331492339 334564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it sounds slightly familiar. < 1331492345 516425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Children will laugh at you and your woman will leave you for an elf. < 1331492359 436358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's illegal to remember something if the person reminding you only remembered it because they saw me mention it. < 1331492364 433191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he is more manly than you (not because she was a lesbian, that wouldn't be as bad). < 1331492445 688904 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331492568 587142 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331492659 112222 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331492682 84348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers that the f.lux from that package has no documentation.
< 1331492683 268705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1331492719 699563 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use redshift, it has a man page. < 1331492740 11510 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-145.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331492773 137654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1331492779 584370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to uninstall packages. < 1331492841 741507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: * Phantom_Hoover discovers that the f.lux from that package has no documentation. < 1331492846 336290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just run the GUI? < 1331492892 93456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pacman -Ql flux-gui | grep '/bin' < 1331492896 988612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run the one that isn't xflux or whatever. < 1331493674 684598 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331493772 908472 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331494386 811209 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331495234 187766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1331495249 292533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you write broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses o_O < 1331495274 623027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wound kinda thing. < 1331495327 827484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruises < 1331495354 755082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1331495379 911474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331495384 150196 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331495514 890380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruges < 1331495515 117390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331495519 637683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331495598 499889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :English most be the only language in which it nearly impossible to get the writing from the reading :) < 1331495602 10349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*must < 1331495606 837570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is < 1331495640 576267 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what do you mean? < 1331495675 530646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to many things which almost sound identical. < 1331495709 210272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure, broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses would be pronounced almost exactly like bruises ;) < 1331495721 104565 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like too and to? < 1331495755 808535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridges, britches < 1331495760 560567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that. < 1331495776 151421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically < 1331495787 330956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone tells you a word, which es not an actual english word < 1331495791 570676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you write it correctly? < 1331495804 386444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means, you have to guess the writing from the pronounciation. < 1331495816 617884 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what is your native language? < 1331495824 2138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :German. < 1331495888 696972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not german ;) < 1331495922 671458 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. My native language is Finnish, and I have never really had that much of a problem with it < 1331495947 145248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never would have thought of "bruises" < 1331495965 484966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for "broozes, bruces, brooses, bruses, bruzes" and more. < 1331495979 771502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean. < 1331495988 885464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I hear an english word, I can't look it up in a dictionary. < 1331495990 877757 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "brooses" gives "Showing results for bruises" < 1331496011 96933 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brooses are adult fans of Rocky and Bullwinkle. < 1331496016 755571 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decree it. < 1331496022 792805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I know what it means and how it is pronounced, I can't derive the writing. < 1331496038 363922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to derive the spelling of a word from its pronunciation in general in English < 1331496044 152686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like you're missing anything < 1331496060 136093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what Deewiant said, you can throw a terribly phonetically-pronounced word into Google and it'll usually correct it :P < 1331496062 757831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That drives me crazy :( < 1331496075 186066 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for natural languages < 1331496095 582578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496099 664925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331496105 857187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1331496129 538070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you have spelling bees ;) < 1331496136 29138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would make no sense in german. < 1331496145 316570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smells a possible pun
< 1331496145 645593 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can usually do that. I have no idea why, but it is almost allways correct < 1331496240 527116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: That's not really "deriving" so much as intuition... sure, there are guidelines, but no hard rules :P < 1331496268 25672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496280 68945 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331496306 835658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: YOU SHOULD ADD A REDIRECT FOR THAT ONE URL JUST SO THAT `WELCOME WORKS BETTER. <-- /me agrees with RocketJSquirrel < 1331496340 850068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See the later, better idea that I already planned :P < 1331496351 648940 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496357 392222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, you're going to make it work for all wiki urls. < 1331496375 16649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i half-guessed that even before you answered) < 1331496397 541101 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are esolang's pages case-sensitive? < 1331496409 779288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, except for the first letter < 1331496417 91412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same as Wikipedia) < 1331496432 458892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1331496436 7107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me guess, you're going to make it work for all wiki urls. < 1331496445 370678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but also I'm going to make it uppercase all the text on the page < 1331496456 412408 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1331496462 61760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331496482 223142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: because it's /WIKI/ < 1331496519 790840 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone uses /WiKi/ ? < 1331496545 611896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they suck. < 1331496560 788618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThAt CoUlD gEt AwKwArD < 1331496569 815448 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone uses /fast/? You'll have to translate all the pages from Hawaiian to English. < 1331496593 626682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why does POSIX have recursive mutexes? Because of a dare. (groups.google.com)" < 1331496593 816190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has to be good. < 1331496733 636454 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496733 876791 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331496836 170699 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1331496912 345585 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331496921 663708 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1331496930 802745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME LAMENT < 1331496934 204445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMENT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE < 1331496956 530693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the link still doesn't work, blame elliott < 1331497056 280371 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gladly < 1331497059 280423 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497196 342843 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331497294 579701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the elliott still doesn't work, blame the link. < 1331497310 575665 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t blame elliott, blame ELLIOTT. < 1331497348 547833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lament for ion. < 1331497410 999113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls when "blame canada" was nominated for an oscar
< 1331497436 383472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott wasn't born then. or maybe barely. < 1331497462 216495 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as unclefuka < 1331497474 531875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet been born. < 1331497591 312468 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to? < 1331497608 371749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be born? No. < 1331497610 316762 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-174.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497632 787854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thank you, I was hoping someone other than me would take care of that message. < 1331497640 825213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1331497641 627615 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :message? < 1331497655 634624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on Talk:ehird < 1331497658 250949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Ehird#.22this_category_doesn.27t_exist.2C_so_it_shouldn.27t_need_a_page.22 < 1331497662 862466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in resp. to (Deletion log); 18:24 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs | block)‎ deleted "Category:Shameful" (this category doesn't exist, so it shouldn't need a page) < 1331497669 245404 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1331497678 317448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I shouldn't have asked, found it myself < 1331497707 357190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to sacrifice three innocent souls to give you those links. :( < 1331497741 173927 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category:Shameful should just redirect to Category:Unimplemented < 1331497742 27320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inefficient. < 1331497785 184862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus making Eodermdrome shameful, but not Snack. < 1331497793 604689 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-134.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331497816 256660 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331497857 966314 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: the only problem is some shameful languages are (shamefully) implemented < 1331497898 628988 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331498020 29907 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't someone working on FURScript implementation on Visual Basic? < 1331498062 825006 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should implement Esme. < 1331498069 573958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person who designed this language was 100% serious about it and the vb6 compiler, but I think he got as far as a text box and a copyright notice before going back to programming his graphics calculator. --Einsidler 10:44, 24 Nov 2006 (UTC) < 1331498122 264425 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha "[DIRFORMAT="DIRECTORY","BYPASSSECURITY?"]" < 1331498171 301397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone talked to 'EvincarOfAutumn' at all recently? He made Alchemy in 2008 and it was quite a neat setting I think < 1331498191 393045 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331498309 103572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i didn't really notice him disappearing < 1331498321 196741 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-174.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331498337 569778 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his page still says he wants to get back into it, but it was last updated 4 years ago < 1331498353 854822 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna try to contact him to ask a bit more about Alchemy. Would be fun to write an interpreter for it < 1331498357 606966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we've seen evincar more recently than that, on irc < 1331498376 925096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331498382 965467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331498429 767651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs evincar < 1331498434 848147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26714 < 1331498449 810650 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. I'm just checking google and he has a twitter so I can contact him there < 1331498465 247573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh it cut off due to too many lines < 1331498504 866134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs -!- evincar < 1331498512 818070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27434 < 1331498542 453215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was here a month ago < 1331498547 785203 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just noticed the Feb 1th < 1331498551 106633 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17th * < 1331498563 655265 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1331498711 30980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i recall he did was an argument substitution language that couldn't possibly work because of extreme ambiguity < 1331498773 133429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably been years since that too < 1331498816 666604 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime I'll get around to asking him some questions about Alchemy that I think aren't detailed properly / are missing on the Wiki page for it < 1331498827 385701 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe I'd write an interpreter for it < 1331498934 684507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm i didn't really notice him disappearing < 1331498947 303331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could say he got sick of us, if you wanted to reverse the subject and object of the truth. < 1331498981 760461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time he was in here was after a very wrong blog post of his got on reddit. < 1331498983 466087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diplomatic is very elliott. < 1331499016 666097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that one < 1331499264 836764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan, I've made you an administrator so you can ensure [[Category:Shameful]]'s continued nonexistence! < 1331499275 150106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1331499285 849957 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just make it a special case in the source code < 1331499309 439858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there any kind of protection against creation? < 1331499334 84904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can protect pages that don't exist... but that would be official recognition. < 1331499340 501549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331499361 925464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most tricky, this < 1331499435 862192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could ban deletion by default, and then permit every other possible page title in existence. < 1331499456 132973 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to suggest that < 1331499575 618121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made oerjan an administrator so he can get right on doing that. < 1331499610 215628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1331499877 886103 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1331501261 590354 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331501395 637728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331503821 110583 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-154.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504404 868747 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504539 145296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boop < 1331504627 630575 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1331504647 885095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloop < 1331504701 473125 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blappity < 1331504781 482007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bang < 1331504810 580947 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1331504826 182674 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-121.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331504971 687009 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-154.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331505033 453325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505044 370646 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331505140 926022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331505355 781920 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505604 717774 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331505641 575627 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331505689 270685 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331506227 914839 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331506235 58171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331506253 648477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now much expanded qdeql translation explanation < 1331506275 314902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it remains to be seen if anyone can understand it now. < 1331506339 569037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, someone tell User:JiminP about preview. < 1331506470 592234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how goes, epic thread, map < 1331506811 251379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-15.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331506815 845265 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-241-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331507122 212674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok. the someone is: you! < 1331507130 231813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331507877 554966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1331507885 392320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331508629 831309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok seriously yell at him < 1331508638 286961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how he's started to mark some of them as minor < 1331508923 69558 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-121.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331508923 304069 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-31.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331509269 37025 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331512187 612130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331512782 797485 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331512841 193630 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, after many years of loving esoteric languages (like brainfuck) I've written my own, and am interested in knowing if there is a submission process, or if I just add a page on the wiki about it. < 1331512855 89983 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add a page. < 1331512860 879817 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers < 1331512861 218096 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1331512864 409085 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome josefnpat_ < 1331512867 63012 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :) < 1331512867 959565 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331512875 243310 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331512876 379920 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331512885 991539 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys get the capital version working yet? < 1331512890 815979 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any guidelines for submissions? < 1331512903 219244 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Naw, that's elliott's job. < 1331512911 710859 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: You should look at the categories and try to categorize it properly. < 1331512940 298345 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: I like when the pages have enough details that you could write an interpreter/compiler for that language without ambiguities < 1331512947 539330 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1331512954 943365 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a interpreter for it already < 1331512958 304301 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331512958 887863 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a lot of doc for it < 1331512962 749586 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/josefnpat/fuck < 1331512971 222059 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the fourth-person "you", not you ;) < 1331512977 220098 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a bit more doc before I contribute it, but it's almost done. < 1331513008 819585 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha nice < 1331513026 261604 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331513130 386352 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, where is the catagories page? I am not very good with wikimedia. < 1331513136 392984 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories < 1331513159 373660 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 < 1331513160 417852 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Categories < 1331513166 804459 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1331513174 363894 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediawiki < 1331513177 794533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Wikimedia < 1331513201 721624 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, you're right < 1331513214 579506 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki < 1331513264 12082 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331513461 220708 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331513619 746762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331513643 121214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Categorization is a better guide to categories < 1331513647 856992 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy karupdate, if you didn < 1331513651 352758 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t see it < 1331513664 522357 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks elliott < 1331513684 79906 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Shameful < 1331513686 588996 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karupdate, you say? < 1331513705 875231 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just memorize the non-existence of Shameful < 1331513715 163878 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added "2012", and "Joke languages" < 1331513720 650770 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add any other categories? < 1331513722 344042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll also have to memorise the non-existence of Auisduisdiujif. < 1331513726 976296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A horrible burden :) < 1331513748 799273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: it doesn't look like a joke language to me (n.b. the definition of joke language we use differs from the common English meaning of the term) < 1331513764 776442 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you suggest then? < 1331513764 993862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a list of esoteric languages that are not of any interest except for potential humor value. Generally speaking, they are completely unusable for programming even in theory, trivial and less interesting variations on existing esoteric languages, or too underspecified to determine any potential usability." < 1331513774 470353 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1331513779 589763 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good point. < 1331513800 849968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2012]] [[Category:Unknown computational class]], probably < 1331513810 934078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Low-level]] also < 1331513828 49349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that language that has a severe difference in reference implementation vs spec? < 1331513832 894828 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much. I've added them. < 1331513846 504228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Malbolge? Not that severe, though. < 1331513861 548101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think that's the one I was thinking of < 1331513879 164109 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with regards to it not being severe: Oh. < 1331513943 196833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuck a bit
< 1331513966 918629 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers :) < 1331513980 297893 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to lie, I had a lot of fun writing this, lol. < 1331513985 380134 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott twiddles http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuck a bit // so dirty < 1331513997 196420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Come on, it's not even a brainfuck. < 1331514001 867224 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor, virgin, squirrely ears. < 1331514028 720938 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working up a basic example use case (as opposed to simple programs) < 1331514099 389897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is shocked nobody came up with an esolang called "fuck" before.
< 1331514114 493399 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win? < 1331514126 318939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently! < 1331514133 819735 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. < 1331514160 412707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the implementation is in PHP. It's always best when esolangs are implemented in other esolangs. < 1331514181 431727 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I re-write it in brainfuck or Ook? < 1331514197 93318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you rewrite it in a less esoteric language? < 1331514208 286678 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, if there's enough intrest, i'd be willing to re-write it in C < 1331514244 688018 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some issues opened about making is_numberic() more portable anyway. < 1331514251 277986 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is_numeric() < 1331514253 811515 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331514273 513348 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wrote it in php to get the kinks out. < 1331514292 322042 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a Proof of Concept. < 1331514320 370038 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually find a lot of php to have kinks in it < 1331514332 935535 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour in the stdlib I mean < 1331514333 973476 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331514337 863722 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship < 1331514341 735706 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough. < 1331514347 273840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You forgot /nick RocketJSquirrel. < 1331514352 833317 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Common Lisp in terms of standard lib kinks? < 1331514354 83998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're half-way up the ladder of nicks. < 1331514365 856470 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know CL (...yet!) < 1331514367 290758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: If only PHP's kinks were limited to the stdlib! < 1331514373 844537 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1331514374 857873 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1331514378 35748 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also true < 1331514389 636060 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, you will soon learn that I am a language tourist. I obsess over one language at a time. < 1331514392 952440 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dern defaults X-D < 1331514402 868994 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While never actually using the language for anything < 1331514412 894633 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe THIS is the language that will change all that (yeah right) < 1331514484 60008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it PHP is a very kinky language? < 1331514493 663770 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331514502 376012 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dangerous in the wrong hands < 1331514521 484793 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by wrong hands i mean the owner of said hands are idiots. < 1331514533 304904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be an idiot then :( < 1331514534 12947 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp can be like that too really < 1331514540 43656 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1331514552 565735 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go with :/ too < 1331514572 630328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o~o < 1331514598 232670 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(format t ":/") < 1331514607 579609 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331514627 863568 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331514634 378043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, monqy's back. < 1331514637 627850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Say hi to josefnpat_. < 1331514643 189488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome josefnpat_ < 1331514645 905450 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331514646 93302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick_ < 1331514648 581643 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. anyways, by being rocketed to popularity on the net, PHP got tons of crap < 1331514649 971725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331514659 353158 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most web things < 1331514665 799989 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, very true < 1331514676 72981 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you a second welcome monqy < 1331514679 102159 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took off and now it's half procedural with poor OOP slapped on some bits < 1331514696 937440 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like `real_' preceding some functions.. < 1331514757 461289 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL's CLOS can act a bit slapped on at times. Particularly, a lot of built-in functions are not generic < 1331514761 333068 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they could be < 1331514764 164481 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331514781 637376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it wouldn't be that hard to make a thin layering over the top where functions like car and cdr are generic.. < 1331514783 230938 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what about this fabled MOP I've heard of? < 1331514797 85572 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 NICK :shadwick < 1331514850 500339 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about the MOP < 1331514852 699657 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still learning < 1331514874 183875 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a better object system, I think, than a lot of others, even if it is perhaps complex < 1331514896 351318 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not as thoroughly done as in, say, Smalltalk. < 1331514904 919306 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't dabbled with CL really at all, but I always hear talk of all the macros and meta programming < 1331514931 780426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CL macros are easier to understand than Scheme macros, but then again I don't know much about Scheme macros < 1331514955 287346 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a scheme macro that allowed a function to memoize results, and be defined with argument pattern matching < 1331514965 246514 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erlang or haskell's way < 1331514973 208460 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331514976 974672 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy stuff like that < 1331514984 615224 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax changes and whatnot < 1331515016 845007 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, CL's macros can do that too. With CL macros, you literally get a chunk of the source and transform it into something else < 1331515032 944571 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, within the macro, the syntax that your macro takes can be pretty much anything you like < 1331515049 613877 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1331515060 526832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for being completely limited, lexically.) < 1331515062 641034 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard scheme's macros are stunted compared to CL though < 1331515106 83854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way that Java is stunted compared to C because you can't cause segfaults < 1331515114 588674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, Java is stunted compared to C, but not for that reason.) < 1331515166 556474 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok < 1331515198 532893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you do lose some power, but it's also a lot more convenient to define macros once you get used to it, and eliminates a very common source of errors. < 1331515207 363596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's not all that many uses of the lost power in practice.) < 1331515231 116506 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, macros can take environment objects, but those are implementation-dependent. Would it be feasible to make a cross-platform library that understands each implementation (similarly to networking libraries or cffi, for example), and allows you to do sane things with the environment? < 1331515323 408433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what language you are talking about. < 1331515333 997910 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp < 1331515568 128047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, then. < 1331516087 863604 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are some uses (besides hygiene) of inspecting the lexical environment? < 1331516101 283282 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PART :#esoteric < 1331516172 674181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what you mean. < 1331516284 375860 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the only deal with hygiene how it prevents hygiene errors? < 1331516290 626710 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are there benefits beyond that? < 1331516992 807988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the only deal of a type system how it prevents type errors? < 1331517019 499117 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1331517714 140626 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By removing all type-related errors from JS' spec and giving them defined but senseless behaviors (note: this involves almost nothing since most type errors already have senseless behavior), I can get a perfect progress guarantee with no static types. < 1331517727 656875 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing type errors like an Eich. < 1331518114 896707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ha < 1331518165 904305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I laugh, yet dearly hope no industry programmers are listening to adopt your ideas. < 1331518171 686010 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: ) < 1331518184 409588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO NODE.JS, YOU FOOL < 1331518195 913890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about node.js < 1331518200 306966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1331518202 839865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1331518206 238394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1331518208 507122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from js server thingy < 1331518211 277539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that much < 1331518217 228954 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. js, thingy < 1331518224 755014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why aren't you in any of the cool channels? < 1331518234 492147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You know how GHC has that awesome event manager, so you write blocking, threaded, sequential IO code and it uses epoll/kqueue asynchronous magic under the hood? < 1331518264 955172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I do < 1331518267 392695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js is like that, except it just forces you to write your program in continuation-passing style instead. And it's cooperative, so you can't block to do a computation. Ever. < 1331518282 234737 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not exactly continuation-passing style. < 1331518292 567422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has convinced an entire generation of programmers that, as long as you tediously write every single statement as a callback, your server will be web scale. < 1331518299 239177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Uh... it's exactly CPS. < 1331518301 538333 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN ENTIRE GENERATION < 1331518306 384233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an entire generation < 1331518306 959560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an ENTIRE GENERATION. < 1331518311 579100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers live about 3 years. < 1331518313 760324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN entire generation < 1331518314 237392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: foo(function(...) { ... }); bar(function(...) { ... }); ... < 1331518323 340936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I died long ago < 1331518331 677419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy a programmer < 1331518345 298109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's just how you do concurrency with asynchronous CPS. < 1331518350 644395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe when I was alive < 1331518351 123922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which one of those is the continuation? < 1331518363 175534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare forkIO (foo >>= ...); forkIO (bar >>= ...) < 1331518368 152263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about when you have button.onclick = function(...) { ... }; is that a continuation? < 1331518377 309399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1331518389 967110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Those are hardly the same. forkIO happens at a completely different level from this CPS mess. < 1331518395 452608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that the continuation-passing view isn't very useful there. < 1331518404 891793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, for a definition of "CPS" that includes that, I agree. < 1331518410 254999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with node.js, the vast majority of programs lean heavily right. < 1331518410 629899 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't that make sense if the language had support for writing CPS as though it were more straighforward, or otherwise had first-class continuations (Scheme)? < 1331518421 419695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo factoring) < 1331518436 686573 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if the language were at least capable of supporting a way of rearranging source code (ala cl-cont) < 1331518439 313999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That would mean you're not programming in continuation-passing style. < 1331518448 296303 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but you still get the benefits of continuations < 1331518453 942304 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any tedium < 1331518457 972877 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-notation is exactly "support for writing CPS as though it were more straightforward" < 1331518475 917872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what do-notation does. The thing that you give >>= is a "continuation". < 1331518483 196135 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1331518511 122391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Haskell, Scheme, Common Lisp. Any of those languages would be good for this sort of thing, right? Unlike, uh. Javascript? < 1331518514 283605 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Smalltalk too < 1331518524 423121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is "but if you have a better language, you can do something different and it works better" meant to be a counterargument to anything I have said? < 1331518533 403236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the whole Cont "mother of all monads" thing works. < 1331518558 845843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-100.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331518563 983288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-15.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331518638 517720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, there have been many source-transformers written for JavaScript to give it this sort of feature. < 1331518645 349057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there have. < 1331518649 589339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js programmers don't use them. < 1331518655 816663 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them do! < 1331518703 210371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I guess it's make-fun-of-node.js-o'clock. < 1331518708 794284 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in support.
< 1331518737 886756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The part that you haven't considered is that the only alternative to using node.js is using Ruby on Rails. < 1331518744 564724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, like, what else would you use, man? < 1331518749 372383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I would pick Rails. < 1331518758 183535 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT REAL-TIME < 1331518763 858498 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NEW WEB IS REAL-TIME < 1331518774 728211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is despite the fact that one of them is a TCP framework with an HTTP library and the other one is a web framework. < 1331518793 90013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js doesn't support UDP? < 1331518798 207822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it does. < 1331518871 774817 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opposite of JavaScript, as we know, is Haskell. < 1331518881 173159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would be the opposite of node.js? That's right, yesde.hs. < 1331518892 242947 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A leading web framework for Haskell is called "Yesod". < 1331518896 719546 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence?????? < 1331519121 213827 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331519140 35613 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331519157 13504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-100.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331519445 809692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1331519462 225284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wouldn't the opposite of "de" be the country code of the opposite of Germany? < 1331519493 269002 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the opposite of Germany? < 1331519503 952730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1331519504 469549 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.od isn't a TLAAAAAAD < 1331519510 299105 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ahem. < 1331519515 199751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that happened. < 1331519520 968991 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I typed "TLD" < 1331519608 433313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLAAAAAAD < 1331519660 439793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chalks it up to gremlins.
< 1331519734 102631 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Roll out the squirrel! We'll have a squirrel of TLAAAAAAD! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331519823 156628 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel = Friendship? < 1331519827 354410 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331519830 281815 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric := Gregor < 1331519830 811410 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't keep up with all your names, man. < 1331519831 470599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := shachaf < 1331519837 993305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1331519853 996402 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Y'know, I don't usually change nicks, I was Gregor for /years/ before I switched to Friendship X-D < 1331519859 228574 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric := #esoteric < 1331519870 709607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric := zzo38 < 1331519875 869477 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, or rather, you were variations on Gregor < 1331519880 449605 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elsewhere, you were a Lawlabee < 1331519895 883050 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331519908 496120 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fine fine, I was Gregor{,[A-Z\-].*} < 1331519918 543706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: Y'know, I don't usually change nicks, I was Gregor for /years/ before I switched to Friendship X-D < 1331519920 146344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really years. < 1331519922 662169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were GregorR for years. < 1331519933 534704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L was the best Gregor. < 1331519941 152322 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GregorR-W < 1331519943 563036 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was read-write. < 1331519957 363153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GregorWORM < 1331520223 977551 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got the nick Gregor in September 2009. < 1331520226 396408 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, years. < 1331520387 953817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like yearS. < 1331520390 700705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singular!!! < 1331521039 572623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't usually change nicks", you say? Lame. < 1331521051 23152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, I dare say you've yet to use a nick for a decade! < 1331521165 857325 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL I have ... I've been called Gregor for well over a decade ;) < 1331521207 365662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that doesn't matter. < 1331521427 564788 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway, my nick is now RocketJSquirrel. < 1331521428 866713 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I win. < 1331521431 201797 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1331521432 549238 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forever. < 1331521451 627951 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also available: MrPeabody < 1331521503 591929 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is MisterPeabody, for that matter. < 1331521519 369932 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used this nick for a decade < 1331521528 700253 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all in the same place, admittedly < 1331521540 307139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had this nick for life. < 1331521562 375754 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do sgeo and Sgeo count as the same nick? < 1331521569 44647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Either way, it's a decade) < 1331521610 290635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, those are very different. < 1331521614 833500 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is a valid UNIX username. < 1331521619 132772 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is an abomination. < 1331521628 696574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to go by Shachaf, I guess. But that's practically the same.) < 1331521650 464676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick is about to have its 15th anniversary. < 1331521660 793712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaay. < 1331521684 463144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I capitalize. For great justice. < 1331521713 804242 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do UNIX usernames count as nicks? < 1331521724 78817 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz my username has been "gregor" for well over a decade too X-D < 1331521730 132921 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeabomination < 1331521773 877256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has also been using this for the majority of his life
< 1331521929 110394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been called "Elliott" my entire life!!! < 1331521962 69724 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My similar statement was already vetoed. < 1331521985 895495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't been called RocketJSquirrel your entire life. < 1331521989 997898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally different. < 1331521998 39367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a similar statement about /Gregor/ X-D < 1331522087 74790 :Sgeabomination!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1331522168 554056 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331522467 981290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331522470 390808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331522554 615943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331523822 353850 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331523830 463484 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey folks < 1331523905 338062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1331524329 838132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue! < 1331524335 975766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're practically anti-scary. < 1331524342 743650 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1331524351 226227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1331524461 925310 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question: has anyone ever heard of a female-identified person inventing an esolang or writing a program in one? < 1331524469 964352 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i feel like this community is all dudes < 1331524594 470007 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331524622 418983 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's even like a token counterexample < 1331524727 537531 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331524790 796803 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331524867 238719 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Lenore Blum co-created the BSS machine < 1331524889 290040 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really esoteric in that it is hypothetical < 1331524894 859581 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that on esowiki? < 1331524936 544574 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in academia < 1331524961 300900 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading about it on that other wiki now < 1331524994 869655 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't figured it out by now, my answer is no < 1331525011 732452 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331525026 576824 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Females tend to have different concepts of weirdness than males < 1331525038 733902 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think what it is really, even more than that < 1331525050 592701 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the whole field of computing has a gender imbalance problem < 1331525062 697868 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if one of them created a language, it would have the potential to be really, really esoteric < 1331525065 400243 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Robotnik made the Mean Bean Machine. < 1331525065 631222 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really esoteric in that it is a Puyo Puyo game. < 1331525087 965334 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sayin' dr. robotnik uses the ladies room these days, or what? < 1331525109 890960 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah i misunderstood where you were going with that < 1331525112 331932 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, i jsut compied what WIkipedia said it was. < 1331525113 192191 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages in academia tend to not be classified as esoteric for some reason < 1331525129 180249 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we have an article on P'' < 1331525143 199805 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff on tag machines and minsky machines and of course, UTMs < 1331525144 719681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but does it call P'' an esolang? < 1331525147 422825 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be relevant < 1331525148 482489 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331525160 500628 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331525175 572260 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd certainly consider fractran an esolang < 1331525178 246846 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I just read about the BSS machine without looking at the lines above that. < 1331525184 812763 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are languages created for recreational purposes, I suppose < 1331525189 230869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-245-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525200 129373 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331525254 429626 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the ladies tend to not consider this activity recreational < 1331525284 21381 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just enjoy the puzzles < 1331525298 161767 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :started an interpreter for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Alchemy today because it doesn't have one < 1331525299 506293 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a brainteaser really < 1331525306 933035 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like doing crossword puzzles but for computer scientists < 1331525311 722968 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a particularly tricky language, but fun anyways < 1331525363 122767 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it functioning in a few hours haha, but I need to contact the creator to work out a few uncertanties < 1331525379 547773 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha, i love how it calls exceptions "explosions" < 1331525400 364281 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deletes all files in the same folder, whaaat < 1331525408 135012 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't put that part in < 1331525421 527952 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it kinda makes sense for doing 'chemistry' < 1331525437 950500 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331525440 938530 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1331525450 458197 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my C already parses input and performs all the right actions < 1331525461 251625 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just showed my sortle quine to a girl i had over (what got me thinking about the gender imbalance in the esolang community) < 1331525463 436165 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just need to fill in the few lines of code for the Reaction Processes < 1331525469 948246 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's a chemist, i wonder if she would dig this language < 1331525474 263577 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331525483 473094 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Project, Fuse, and Cerate working < 1331525487 862708 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are trivial < 1331525495 785484 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the framework is pretty much all complete < 1331525500 867283 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it in, but jsut always remember to store untested programs in subfodler fume_hood. < 1331525511 158819 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah haha < 1331525554 928177 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525566 511092 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a funny language < 1331525572 942363 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to ask evincar about some of the other reactions, and the pre-defined elements < 1331525613 113424 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause (to be decided) from 4 years ago ain't gonna show up in the Wiki unless I ask < 1331525629 170656 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just make it up and edit the wiki < 1331525679 442341 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but I wanna see if he has an opinion first < 1331525746 436292 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331525812 469742 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525938 350227 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525939 254253 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525995 217796 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526020 938559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331526087 140501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-245-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526131 156766 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526258 912089 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526306 40541 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: i keep getting you mixed up with shachaf < 1331526325 568555 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me some random interesting fact about yourself so i'll remember the difference < 1331526355 641649 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I bet shachaf has a comp sci degreee < 1331526357 301730 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not < 1331526362 170788 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick is secretly a candle. < 1331526364 777821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the "wick". < 1331526369 36260 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you know?! < 1331526370 980663 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have no comp sci degree. < 1331526379 140105 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sensative topic < 1331526389 307990 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. so that's not a difference haha < 1331526398 503897 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a CS degree either < 1331526400 584014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526411 151157 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shachaf Canadian> < 1331526427 28532 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what you mean by "Canadian". < 1331526432 804106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331526451 670614 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's be more specific; a resident of Canada < 1331526465 305276 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526466 85959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've *been* to Canada... < 1331526470 175369 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1331526472 886256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live pretty nearby. < 1331526478 824913 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington> < 1331526488 143841 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/?/ ugh < 1331526494 221498 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331526502 345574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live there, yes. < 1331526509 55086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526519 863617 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: graue isn't scary! < 1331526524 868202 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue is a like a teddy bear. < 1331526571 380586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1331526684 355983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Are you scary? < 1331526687 998735 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331526754 289030 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just trying to lure you in < 1331526757 204133 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower your defenses < 1331526805 569260 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are unlikely to be eaten by a graue. < 1331526823 737507 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're an onion < 1331526834 594071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is an onion. < 1331526838 852467 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why. < 1331526843 314106 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it, yes < 1331526897 921994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of being an onion, is "graue", in fact, derived from "grue"? < 1331526970 991723 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331526982 571589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526999 633760 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a random word that popped into my head, probably 10+ years ago now < 1331527004 769835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-251.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331527011 811754 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i since found out that it is a form of the german adjective for "grey" < 1331527026 79527 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was not the intent either < 1331527238 985565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331527554 153135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331527565 321480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331527592 324875 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331527808 713425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:54:21: random question: has anyone ever heard of a female-identified person inventing an esolang or writing a program in one? < 1331527808 956776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been a few in here over the years, so technically yes; I suspect the obscurity of the community amplifies the unfortunate demographics of computing in general < 1331527880 159355 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has fax done? < 1331527926 119060 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether there "have been a few" is what i was wondering; i realized i could not think of any < 1331527977 157046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Razor-X/Sukoshi, Madoka-Kaname and fax are the ones I can think of < 1331528009 716106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax is female? < 1331528390 489126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all emerald grue, or are all emeralds actually bleen instead? < 1331528413 483626 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're bleen < 1331528415 620641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331528417 443547 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the yelple ones < 1331528470 105270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magenquoise is my favourite colour. < 1331528495 920711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a proper colour? < 1331528506 34827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well? < 1331528509 863041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it a proper colour? < 1331528643 301950 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have a CS degree? < 1331528655 329496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331528663 935439 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS° < 1331528669 947524 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just shameful < 1331528670 772107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a CS degree? < 1331528674 620264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a combination of C° and the well-known S° < 1331528678 943587 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott doesn't have a CS degree [[Category:Shameful]] < 1331528689 656272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I don't have. Sorry < 1331528692 4436 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Do you have a CS degree? < 1331528699 85027 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i'll soon have a mathematics degree < 1331528703 545811 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough right? < 1331528719 691402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Close enough for what purpose? < 1331528728 566119 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding shame < 1331528733 517730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if the lowly practicality of mathematics can stand up to the True Art of pure computer science < 1331528747 372368 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, whatever, more like vice versa < 1331528753 223180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331528761 762021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke :( < 1331528767 137444 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :) < 1331528785 160734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Deewiant might actually have a CS degree! our saviour at last < 1331528800 538927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people said it isn't science and doesn't have to do with computers; that is like saying astronomy is about telescopes. < 1331528815 627621 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331528823 31733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331528858 674782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some people" is dijkstra's most famous alias < 1331528884 819456 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how dijkstra has three of the most common loop variables in his name in order < 1331528917 260732 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i see his name i think of nested for-loops < 1331528928 513255 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts graue in a denest
< 1331528930 331359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i wrote depth-four loops so I could use "s" as the next variable < 1331528938 509578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't, four is too much for me < 1331528941 483262 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a denest? < 1331528953 289375 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue, some CL macro I came across recently < 1331529022 330393 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lisp-editor.berlios.de/autodoc/Package_DENEST.html < 1331529086 701794 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lispy for me to understand at the moment < 1331529185 508314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have describe my "Ibtlfmm" idea as something like combine Haskell with Lisp; it is something like that. But really my idea something like a few stuff from Haskell, Lisp, LLVM, and a few others. < 1331529265 614530 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(denest (dolist (i '(1 2 3))) (dolist (j '(4 5 6))) (format t "~a ~a" i j)) becomes < 1331529276 564822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: didn't you say that yesterday and the day before :p < 1331529294 948738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What timezone? < 1331529298 802490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1331529302 799263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure which one i'm in < 1331529308 893946 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dolist (i '(1 2 3)) (dolist (j '(4 5 6)) (format t "~a ~a" i j))) < 1331529327 517685 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with denest, you don't have to have the rest of the body physically contained within the macro dolist < 1331529357 582987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use Astrolog or similar software to figure out what timezone you are currently in. < 1331529380 632754 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes there are easier ways to determine timezones
< 1331529404 672151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, if you have GPS, you can just look it up in a map after you know your location from GPS. < 1331529417 583282 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask a man on the street, but at this hour he might be drunk < 1331529428 488145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was thinking that it's plausible to know location without knowing timezone
< 1331529430 359121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i know where i am < 1331529430 595352 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then... what's "this hour"? we come back to the question of timezones < 1331529436 433197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know what timezone the ground is in < 1331529440 757952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure what timezone i'm in < 1331529452 703084 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in the one that the ground is in < 1331529470 895963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your position somehow not synchronized with the ground? < 1331529485 630709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: that's not true at all! < 1331529492 395158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's jetlag, if not a mismatch between ground timezone and head timezone? < 1331529494 645702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott picking at the idea of a human being in a timezone? < 1331529515 523438 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f6db.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331529521 896599 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly it becomes clear. < 1331529525 133765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by picking < 1331529527 806072 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Astrolog will help < 1331529530 600922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use UTC times, or local timezone, or solar time, or sidereal time, or something else. < 1331529576 450028 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it will help; but GPS will work better, if you have map of timezones. < 1331529581 993051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he could use the time zone which best maps to his sleep schedule. < 1331529592 11113 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, astrolog would have to be somewhat psychic. < 1331529615 389878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said time zone has a very confusing mapping with UTC. < 1331529620 77495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+elliott. < 1331529634 248607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes that is another way < 1331529653 558085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You would have to look out the window and figure out what matches it best < 1331529673 946205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is the best mathematical constant. < 1331529680 637083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only constant that isn't constant, for one < 1331529681 702425 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure things like the sun don't actually correspond to elliott-time. < 1331529691 408748 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fine structure constant? < 1331529702 26699 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of unknown constanticity. < 1331529705 659105 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331529717 177633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I understand. And I know how to do it: Use an alarm clock. < 1331529763 697468 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to attempt to obliterate the phenomenon that is elliott-time? < 1331529802 464311 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331529848 160256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "elliott" is here being used as a shorthand for the result of applying elliott :: Timestamp -> Offset to the current time. < 1331529861 106297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The person who wrote Astrolog once said he had a dream of a new feature which teleports you to a location which it charts. But it doesn't do that of course.) < 1331529872 281104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure the function is total. < 1331529925 320590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: elliott :: Behaviour Offset, man. < 1331529954 243666 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reactive-banana is British? < 1331529993 628046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think it's elliott :: IO Offset < 1331530024 719275 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say that elliott-human is not a value? < 1331530041 403459 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it was, you shouldn't need the IO < 1331530046 948553 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1331530050 67957 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottHuman < 1331530058 819816 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theelliotthuman < 1331530064 54455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fine, *Behaviour p Offset, now it's Sodium. < 1331530081 62026 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course elliott-human is not a value, there is no instance of Num for IO Offset. < 1331530106 420982 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a bit Lisp-addled
< 1331530112 825080 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, lispAddled < 1331530188 514361 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a an asshat
< 1331530193 737703 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a // < 1331530226 452391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331530242 945421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1331530271 537745 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not have majored in CS, but at least i'm a major asshole! < 1331530291 978591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's our motto < 1331530298 637649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :i may not have majored in CS, but at least i'm a major asshole! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331530858 617231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: see my most recent post to a-b < 1331530942 577400 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just humorous, or scam attempt, possibly based on "a", implying weird things if ... hmm < 1331530970 40144 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, "an" < 1331531003 858847 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should shutup < 1331531009 730181 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's BlogNomic doing these days? < 1331531200 290387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why's that make you an asshat < 1331531220 703490 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's worse than a suffusion of yellow < 1331531239 751200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hmm, why? < 1331531249 502954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the courts basically get to decide what the exception is < 1331531257 535799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can always just decide it's something that will never ever happen < 1331531262 919971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "after five thousand billion years this rule doesn't apply" < 1331531665 275059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could the judge use it to seize power? < 1331531791 672183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :appeals < 1331531959 227718 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there are exceptions in the appeals rules? < 1331532155 910647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull another one, lindrum < 1331532234 766279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1331532238 750524 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Lindrum < 1331532248 672057 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am not actually Lindrum) < 1331532327 813502 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Lindrum heard from relatively recently? < 1331532527 246999 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/dictator-lindrum wow almost 20 years ago < 1331532601 586647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NomicWorld was 20 years ago. < 1331532621 320256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora was 19. < 1331532654 854433 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331532703 123782 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331532716 231865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331532716 939175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331532742 686855 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1331532794 458538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lindrum < 1331533076 923122 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :gTwo2002 < 1331533093 695561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331533101 94970 :gTwo2002!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1331533265 715662 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331533475 837274 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1331533512 44320 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might picolisp be more suited as a nomic than CL, considering that Picolisp functions (except for primitives) are transparent? < 1331533694 996641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331533945 685765 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331534108 72007 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dudes < 1331534135 637346 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hilbert curve has the interesting property that if you take it as a sequence, values close to each other in sequence will also be close in the 2d space mapping < 1331534143 697650 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea if there is a pattern for which the reverse is true? < 1331534213 220162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it true for ... the hilbert curve? < 1331534315 739815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1331534412 199761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking no too, but then who knows, it's math < 1331534427 859827 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now that i think about it i realize the points don't have to be connected and i can probably arrange a pattern that meets the criteria i want < 1331534440 32442 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: look at, say, the four points in the center of the hilbert curve < 1331534449 124453 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not sequentially near each other, in fact they are very far < 1331534454 980762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331534455 167456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a -> b but not b -> a < 1331534464 497137 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a case of b -> a but i'm thinking probably not < 1331534563 447279 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, since things needn't be connected, i'm looking for something a bit looser: a sequence of points for which all the points in any 4x4 (?) area fall within ~40 of each other, or thereabouts, and that may just be possible < 1331534706 824180 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535247 170267 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331535301 592484 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535302 111933 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331535302 298736 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535418 114722 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331535513 196353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331536266 640164 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331536452 868244 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION must make a Common Lisp alternative to BYOND
< 1331536585 19196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1331536651 707575 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f6db.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331537435 267833 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be? < 1331537436 200914 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331538490 379910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> indeed < 1331538931 422459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan remind me to ask you the question i was going to ask < 1331538931 645007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331539210 381852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331539318 52296 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should slepep < 1331539340 829001 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, monqy tswett update < 1331539345 228762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331541087 42221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331542825 141114 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the random page for Optimism, which is an OISC, with the instruction being "ADDOV". Anyone know what that operation do? The page doesn't explicitly say so. It takes 3 operands and I know it'll end up adding the 1st and 2nd, and possibly jumping to the 3rd (an address) < 1331542834 451315 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone just know what the condition for the jump is>? < 1331543603 300438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331543658 380264 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-31.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331543903 915622 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-223.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331544867 317809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545288 157472 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e531.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545614 283270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545653 59922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331545766 377619 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D6B4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331547017 73444 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-218.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331547178 459020 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-223.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331547859 798059 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331548117 271566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:00:25: I was reading the random page for Optimism, which is an OISC, with the instruction being "ADDOV". Anyone know what that operation do? The page doesn't explicitly say so. It takes 3 operands and I know it'll end up adding the 1st and 2nd, and possibly jumping to the 3rd (an address) < 1331548122 326306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:00:34: anyone just know what the condition for the jump is>? < 1331548149 803378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the name and the "Always goes to the next instruction, even on overflow" comment, i'd guess it jumps when the addition overflows. < 1331548470 670939 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with both source and jump FF? < 1331548475 896620 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleepepepeppppppppp < 1331548557 858990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a literal FF will happen. < 1331548571 133041 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, dunno how I missed that < 1331548619 132086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a literal fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu, more like < 1331548890 701874 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The author claims that his calculator does just-in-time compilation. What would you do to prove or disprove his claim without attempting to unravel the source?" < 1331549051 256886 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-125-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331549060 636378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: is that a comment on your ioccc program? :P < 1331549081 513655 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1331549090 489324 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide if the reviewers actually read it or not ;) < 1331549246 484545 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-218.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331549367 647932 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I like how easy Optimism was to write an interpreter for hahaa < 1331549411 799302 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll create a Wiki account and add it to that page < 1331549939 34002 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331550332 52594 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331551207 920777 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331551238 370315 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e531.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331551247 805025 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1331551264 730689 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331552459 661657 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-132-147.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331552634 587762 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-125-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331552745 456093 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D6B4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331552989 429458 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-118-163.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331553184 548377 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-132-147.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331554716 83159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331554787 568113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331557176 383118 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-190-214.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331557366 120489 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331557622 747429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs code.*inherit < 1331557650 629014 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-118-163.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331557654 169125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drums fingers
< 1331557660 114436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331557663 878268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1331557667 834530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs code.*inherit < 1331557683 321576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6146 < 1331557882 370223 :MoALTz!~no@92.8.234.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558058 752913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331558105 473588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558213 890030 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558248 345166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-139.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331558328 911076 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331558444 8633 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331558705 470515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331559103 106675 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331559248 559131 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560180 432112 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560426 674101 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560586 62291 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331560641 807531 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331563235 709754 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331563252 516581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331563665 789686 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: okay, you don't seem to be here any more, but let me try to answer your question anyway. < 1331563701 674619 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hilbert curve has the property that values close to each other in the domain are also close to each other in the range. In other words, the Hilbert curve is continuous. < 1331563751 198213 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be asking if there's a map like it, except its inverse is continuous. < 1331563820 453552 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Hilbert curve is a continuous surjective map [0,1] -> [0,1]^2, and I think essentially we're looking for some sort of continuous map [0,1]^2 -> [0,1]. < 1331563896 784278 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are tons of continuous *surjective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1]. Among them are f(x,y) = x, f(x,y) = y, f(x,y) = xy, and f(x,y) = (x + y)/2. < 1331563913 48841 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for continuous *injective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1], I'm pretty sure none exist. < 1331564175 381302 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the continuous injective map is what you want. But since there are none, you'll have to make do with some approximation. < 1331567278 327525 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331567345 641166 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’ve got a mirror of my sccs repository at github." haha wut < 1331567355 411742 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I’ve got a mirror of my sccs repository at github. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331568310 96331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568684 752340 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568693 738358 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1331568717 120329 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568767 175423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568954 708569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331569199 789948 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331571180 848244 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331571793 985570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331573051 709888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331574194 922091 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331574533 954900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331575247 877894 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331575738 654795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331575752 814497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331576172 543976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another channel: http://i.imgur.com/bFB2A.gif < 1331576438 955564 :MoALTz!~no@92.8.234.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331576832 192885 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331577177 718295 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331577185 954124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331578137 81404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331578629 872925 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch championofbirds.com Wednesday for the GREATEST INTERVIEW EVER. < 1331579534 765098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331579546 908283 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331580712 624350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331580730 225761 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331580829 784891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331580863 134062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331580892 37266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331580917 924477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331580983 932930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html is really out of date < 1331581001 314313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions GPLv3, but most of its comments about other licenses are written from the point of view of a world where GPLv3 doesn't exit < 1331581003 524181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist < 1331581019 649789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. calling 4-clause BSD GPL-incompatible (it is compatible with v3 but not v2) < 1331581020 447471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581391 949350 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-192.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581399 88116 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-192.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1331581399 275160 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581741 547398 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331581951 70848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582097 386571 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582546 812137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582734 832526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for continuous *injective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1], I'm pretty sure none exist. < 1331582741 494721 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331582755 31635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by compactness of [0,1]^2, the inverse would automatically be continuous. < 1331582797 979972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331582806 275742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1331582872 805891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then look at any circle inside it - it must map to an infinite subset of [0,1] which is connected if you remove a point (like the circle itself). but no such subset exists. < 1331582923 376185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1331582923 563037 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331582936 784533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...disappointing. < 1331582938 756342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a myndzi deficit. < 1331582940 60917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi isn't here < 1331582974 509026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582978 962036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw a similar theorem is true for any [0,1]^m to [0,1]^n with m > n, but that is much deeper.) < 1331582982 75589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's not SCCS. < 1331582991 286740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's SCCS as a generic term for any source control system. < 1331582992 380446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Invariance of Domain) < 1331583003 516915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: boring < 1331583044 712921 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331583051 829522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, I didn't have to logread to know where that was from.) < 1331583079 758083 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But nobody uses "SCCS" as a generic term anymore ... they use RCS or VCS. < 1331583103 858299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Nobody uses libc4 any more, either. Unless I'm mistaken about the source, you shouldn't be surprised. < 1331583153 170944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He actually uses some static libc4/a.out systems by choice... which requires him to *maintain libc4*.) < 1331583216 171219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:30: "The author claims that his calculator does just-in-time compilation. What would you do to prove or disprove his claim without attempting to unravel the source?" < 1331583225 80030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you/we talking about? < 1331583225 530104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Congrats, you successfully befuddled the IOCCC organisers < 1331583248 441848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I HOEP I'M NOT TOO LATE: < 1331583249 479911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | `\o/ | | | `\o/ | | | < 1331583249 666831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : /| |\ >\ | /| /| /< | /< /< /^\ < 1331583249 667071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : /`\ (_|\ < 1331583249 667180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_| |_) |_) < 1331583260 456030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have bodies! < 1331583262 334663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1331583279 164480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suddenly reminded of a certain scene in the akira manga
< 1331583294 741206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm talking about the author of http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/discount/ < 1331583308 883255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : (He actually uses some static libc4/a.out systems by choice... which requires him to *maintain libc4*.) // holy crap indeed O_O < 1331583309 109228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which contains the topic sentence < 1331583314 676471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You forgot to remind me. < 1331583328 103433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/libc/ < 1331583332 932734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"portland or us" < 1331583342 170076 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, that just makes me think that it's even more likely that he uses SCCS ;) < 1331583344 801935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. well you weren't around when i read the message. < 1331583347 502582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: He's the maximally curmudgeonly Linux user! < 1331583440 474115 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, it seems I befuddled the IOCCC. < 1331583445 722649 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This program does shit. We have no idea why." < 1331583448 716496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like the "gl*bc" spelling. It's good to hide dirty words. < 1331583522 566175 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Libc4? < 1331583540 986463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr durr, my router is broken again... it's almost refusing to connect to anything < 1331583650 109663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: congratulations again :P < 1331583791 185760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, ping < 1331583798 234484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not enough C to enter the IOCCC < 1331583802 299446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pong < 1331583806 357448 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331583807 925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the ping? why the ugh? < 1331583816 210626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick > 1331584291 601536 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584291 928439 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584292 386513 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1331584293 137323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584294 667079 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1331584295 720800 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584296 88173 :RocketJSquirrel!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: I saw, but I have no idea why. > 1331584296 235593 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584305 973091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can give you the practical purpose I want this for if it's too abstract :P) < 1331584315 541650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's zzo38's barrier monad, isn't it. < 1331584318 827638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, and F a = Cofree ((->) a) < 1331584322 882389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's definitely a comonad < 1331584326 123112 :RocketJSquirrel!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331584330 302681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you say every monad is the barrier monad! < 1331584330 778221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random thought occured to me.. could a non-human sentient being learn to use a turing complete language? < 1331584340 500505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure his barrier thing had multiple constructors. < 1331584352 362372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, probably < 1331584358 299864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it could... would we become evil bastards and enslave the animals < 1331584361 520533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO sapient < 1331584374 415217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1331584379 349201 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584384 79906 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering it's cheaper to use actual computers < 1331584384 497380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its bad enough that we trap pigs in cages their whole lives just to get nicer food than soy < 1331584400 494453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't need to muck out computers very often. < 1331584405 443816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :training animals to program as slave programmers would be just worse < 1331584426 24937 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bots may sometimes crash for literally no god damn reason ... < 1331584428 26469 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I'm an IOCCC winner! < 1331584438 910911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect a bug in the framework they all use. < 1331584444 371479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do with line length or something. < 1331584448 774002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A segfault. < 1331584452 365226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well ok, a simplified barrier monad then < 1331584464 75560 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably. < 1331584486 35347 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the barrier monad? < 1331584524 445988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE BARRIER MONAD IS THE MOST COMPLEX MEANINGLESS JUMBLE IN EXISTENCE EVERYTHING IS A SIMPLIFIED BARRIER MONAD :P < 1331584525 296480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [z]zo38>.*data Barrier < 1331584555 798441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9662806/is-there-any-haskell-land-equivalent-to-the-ruby-lands-bundler-et-al-and-if-n I like the part where this is a whiny blog post disguised as a question. < 1331584562 270368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331584564 123022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [z]zo38>.*data Barrier < 1331584577 241368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-23.txt:20:12:26: OK. Barrier monads: data Barrier f b t = Unit t | Barrier f (b -> Barrier f b t) | Fail String; ("Fail String" is optional) < 1331584590 330696 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584598 413874 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584601 700112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he had an extra argument < 1331584635 91359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's totally different. < 1331584637 740774 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what a hipster programmer < 1331584664 650678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: while you're investigating, fix HackEgo's tendence to time out on commands after long delays ;P < 1331584665 814365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. he must be a politician < 1331584703 867991 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his fist at oerjan.
< 1331584713 68332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delays after previous command, that is, not while waiting.) < 1331584750 113948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [v]ehemently < 1331584754 276116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree :: Functor h => (a -> b) -> (a -> h a) -> a -> Cofree h b < 1331584754 455315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree g1 g2 = g1 &&& fmap (anaCofree g1 g2) . g2 >>> Cofree < 1331584754 617165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for goodness' sake... < 1331584756 870138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-15.txt:01:56:50: elliott: you vehemently denied this < 1331584784 454276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id &&& fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) . tailCofree >>> Cofree < 1331584793 76087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1331584853 814657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: insane opinion: all websites should be dark-text-on-light-background, so that when I prefer the reverse, I can just reverse-video the entire browser rather than changing for individual pages < 1331584885 583245 :shadwick_!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584978 662120 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new theory on backups i call RAID 7 .. the basic idea is that you create a textfile list of all the filenames and directories on your disk, and store it online somewhere < 1331584995 736699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why backup just the names? < 1331585010 167470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to be honest thats all you really care about < 1331585026 134446 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331585030 985616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, typically the file contents are more important than the file names < 1331585038 819346 :shadwick_!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 NICK :shadwick < 1331585039 303183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the file isn't redownloadable < 1331585048 143464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... one must take into account that the internet is actually getting faster < 1331585066 883154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there are quite a few files I have that aren't stored online anywhere < 1331585069 404522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what backups are /for/ < 1331585193 962165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you arguing with the debate equivalent of fungot < 1331585194 124268 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have any of you guys! < 1331585198 769196 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I lost the files, but all I need is ... linkedlist.c < 1331585236 775635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should really write a bot to replace itidus < 1331585240 384445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I don't pay enough attention to figure out personalities of people unless I've talked to them really lots < 1331585244 509191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then replace itidus with it < 1331585258 390697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that itidus can be boosted up the ranks < 1331585285 72436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x = Cofree (id x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) (tailCofree x)) < 1331585294 580876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x = Cofree (x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) (tailCofree x)) < 1331585308 179118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x@(Cofree (_,t)) = Cofree (x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) t) < 1331585315 165800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental reason for the previous few posts with my id in them is that i am not actually here for the same reason as the others < 1331585322 759915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x@(Cofree (_,t)) = Cofree (x, fmap foo t) < 1331585325 510271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1331585380 996427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i sort of am, but i arrived here with really no understanding of compilers.. i didn't even realize there was any math behind it < 1331585381 733636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCoffee, the categorically best coffee < 1331585444 992202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that the most difficult part would be deciding on reserved keywords and optimal assembly code equivalents of syntactical structures < 1331585467 132743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite literally what i thought < 1331585539 978725 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 10% room for misrepresentation of myself < 1331585551 197062 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331585668 162947 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am amused by FURscript < 1331585959 157646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I'm using this type to represent things of the form (f . foldl' g z) < 1331585972 101877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can zip these so they run in tandem on a single list < 1331585976 870170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (/) <$> sumF <*> lengthF DTRT < 1331585994 507906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to it by starting with this type (not discovered by me, other people have talked about it) < 1331586008 590656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = forall s. Fold s (s -> a -> s) (s -> b) < 1331586020 612095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and factoring out the existential; all we can do is plug in an a to get a new one, or convert it to a b, so < 1331586026 438619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = Fold (a -> Fold a b) b < 1331586067 691075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331586126 225064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem with the Monad instance is that it destroys this by keeping around the original list, making it no better than just doing it the usual way :( < 1331586139 56405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is inherent, because you could decide what fold you're going to zip it with based on the final result of a previous one < 1331586157 415047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means folding the two in tandem and discarding the conses as you go is impossible < 1331586228 931360 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331586900 367479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331586924 84275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331587011 354963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1331587069 590436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331587110 489798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why doesn't ! align="left" | work in my wiki table :( < 1331587334 48084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331587344 812892 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331587537 550743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: link? < 1331587551 736007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still in preview stage < 1331587617 998588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: put the relevant table on the sandbox? < 1331587655 569306 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331587733 959214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i did something earlier today and discarded the attempt, which i'm now trying to redo. < 1331587750 889504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331587878 947510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t first < 1331587879 777072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c d. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) < 1331587901 328701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that a Fold that only works on non-empty lists would be useful. < 1331587905 230216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could define things like first < 1331587920 206574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = Fold (a -> (b, Fold a b)) -- hey, it's the automaton arrow. < 1331587946 925924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok i saved it as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Qdeql#Example_structure , everything except the alignment of most of the dark cells now looks as i want it. < 1331587977 42414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why does \\/\/\\/\// have a funny background < 1331587992 10902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel you are sorely misusing th elements somewhat < 1331588014 953034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure what it's meant to look like, so < 1331588050 622794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want to mark the cells that have non-default values. i tried bold but - and = don't get distinguished enough with it < 1331588073 162535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i _still_ would like the left column title cells to be left aligned, i think. < 1331588081 111747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll fix the left column < 1331588088 16956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I defined a class that just did the background without the bolding or centring? < 1331588104 384181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bolding is nice though. < 1331588126 798348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the idea of non-heading cells that look identical to headings :( < 1331588132 297539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess not bolding will distinguish it from that < 1331588166 551354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331588200 361907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ! style="text-align: left" | works < 1331588205 700041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331588207 231728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though I feel you want right alignment < 1331588209 168295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not left < 1331588215 332532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how wide it is < 1331588245 708507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i didn't want it to get confused with the actual data inside < 1331588256 600214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perhaps < 1331588268 927309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an awful lot of whitespace with left-alignment (I only left-aligned two rows to test because I'm lazy) < 1331588281 474414 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-234-226.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331588303 286948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how you can tell if elliott's in the channel by the ratio of message lines to join/quit lines. < 1331588303 528378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331588334 495069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose centering the left column isn't _that_ bad. < 1331588347 754997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it less wide instead < 1331588355 565168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :change <]> and beginning of . < 1331588355 935338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1331588360 320448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>
and beginning of . < 1331588361 25643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1331588370 459126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331588406 998128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331588429 43585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes the size there different from all the other rows < 1331588440 504822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331588472 971012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just that "<]> and beginning of ." is stretching that column really wide < 1331588489 470697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON.org License Literally Says it "shall be used for Good, not Evil" (java.dzone.com) < 1331588497 343877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit Literally Discovers "the same things, Over and Over Again" < 1331588524 215086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>; start of . < 1331588531 373727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be shorter < 1331588593 180915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need Tufte to redesign your tables. < 1331588602 963181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say :P < 1331588657 266551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, forgive what I am about to do. < 1331588661 780460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, Madoka-Kaname. < 1331588674 503846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: QUICK BAN HIM < 1331588689 537566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wattattat < 1331588998 772064 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331589026 930396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i put the style in the wrong place now < 1331589079 908859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1331589091 553787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate the wikicode with a perl script < 1331589116 398734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: [[The license includes this restriction: "The software shall be used for good, not evil." If your conscience cannot live with that, then choose a different package.]] < 1331589128 752822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: GOD OK you're a javascripter, you must come across Crockford IRL occasionally. < 1331589130 339148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE punch him. < 1331589146 195039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331589167 941631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just doing it once, then repeating n and . in vim < 1331589176 768981 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331589180 765041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i put it in the code tag instead of at the ! < 1331589235 162441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it worked < 1331589251 862622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331589285 448915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everyone can understand the qdeql translation! < 1331589293 858893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles more madly than usual
< 1331589347 155178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think there's a cell that should be grey < 1331589433 65123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : RocketJSquirrel: GOD OK you're a javascripter, you must come across Crockford IRL occasionally. // I haven't, in fact. But yes, he's a dummy. < 1331589472 354791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, find him. < 1331589475 524866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find him, and punch him. < 1331589494 225563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr someone noticing that terms like that are enough to make it incompatible with gpl < 1331589512 146247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That makes it incompatible with everything. < 1331589514 583520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, gpl mandates that evil must be allowed. < 1331589528 206268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amounts to "you can't do anything with this, I might sue you". < 1331589545 256817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well that's obvious, see DFSG#6 "No discrimination against fields of endeavor, like commercial use." < 1331589799 873641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331589986 944410 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/Flower_opened_8869.html < 1331590078 660597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'VE READ THAT A KAJILLION TIMES < 1331590092 406851 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but it's relevant ;) < 1331590099 783040 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody is even worse at licensing than Crockford. < 1331590110 19314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they were precise < 1331590132 639066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey italicising the 7 in 7n is a sin < 1331590145 884932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331590157 720585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s*i*n, of course) < 1331590170 549891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the positive side, i now know someone is reading my edits. < 1331590209 943463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i review all the edits on the wiki. it is my duty < 1331590235 569488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, although it isn't. < 1331590280 214818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm is "Can you understand now?" a zzoism < 1331590310 815731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got it :) < 1331590357 545940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331590420 598305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had this eerie feeling of being just as incomprehensible. < 1331590495 513754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually get a vague gist of what zzo38 is saying. < 1331590501 670887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i have no idea how the translation of bf to qdeql works. < 1331590507 484855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you win! < 1331590520 923757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL NO IDEA? < 1331590544 892591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i feel compelled to point out i also have no idea how the underload minimisation works. or /// being TC. < 1331590601 481665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the qdeql translation is a little simpler, well maybe except for the factory. < 1331590621 101942 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331590699 302815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read my discussion with graue? < 1331590707 192164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logs? < 1331590709 658433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331590710 756295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't logread yet. < 1331590719 431552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a couple days ago < 1331590740 876459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1331590751 264555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well do you mean the discussion when i was there? < 1331590759 468539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall if you were < 1331590768 286775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not helpful :P < 1331590833 948784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway i explained to graue how it started with the epiphany that \\/\// would skip an arbitrary number of 255 0 0 copies, and that the factory grew out of how to replace the zero lost at the end of that loop. < 1331590845 950594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i remember that < 1331590858 94746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331591180 256297 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331591191 145634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331591237 831329 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1331591738 915779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1331591741 945406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leap second comin' our day < 1331591761 317116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for some months, surely? < 1331591768 200837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :june < 1331591842 914142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someones playing mario music on a piano. why should you care? i'm not entirely sure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eKxxYlHbJs < 1331593288 563098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331593301 556951 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331594206 815234 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331594230 735744 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331594231 93134 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331594231 255001 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331594786 764634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331595413 251321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: Why are you not here. < 1331595467 993362 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you are a secondary expert, so tell me, web o' flies could presumably be used to add save states to a game (just replay up to a given point to "load"), no? < 1331596526 499598 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331597465 348671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331597741 363251 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331599144 343986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331599245 784860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That is half the point, isn't it? < 1331599409 929166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331599427 445216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: well it's for TASes sure but why would you do that < 1331599777 772608 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought the whole point was for TAS, so rewind. I'm just validating that that ability also gives it save-states. < 1331599781 151980 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about ... for save states. < 1331599818 932674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, it's slow, you know. < 1331599824 91412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of game? < 1331599838 207844 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have anything in mind, it was a general question. < 1331599844 447822 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never ran it, so I have no idea how slow it is X-D < 1331599874 437988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, really. < 1331599881 308262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But come on, it rips out the scheduler. < 1331599883 784361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does it in userspace. < 1331599885 364786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deterministically. < 1331599895 406945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ptrace. < 1331599982 574465 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo ... < 1331599986 684250 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast as a flying squirrel? < 1331600006 506898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331600035 964979 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION zooooom!
< 1331600104 997791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331600651 766358 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331600920 212400 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331602339 220952 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331603464 954226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9677012/suppress-runtime-error-irrefutable-pattern-failed-for-pattern-data-maybe-just-b < 1331604037 926525 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy update! (If you didn't see it already, it was about an hour or so ago < 1331604203 450050 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finishes having seen it.
< 1331604240 81186 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you saw it, but then stopped having seen it, so now you haven't seen it? < 1331604285 188649 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now understands why Racket's keyword arguments are the way they are
< 1331604952 591393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331604987 947284 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, in #lisp , it's not worth doing interesting things, just useful things. < 1331605014 655743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1331605048 485802 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm misrepresenting what was said :/ < 1331605071 204856 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did, after I suggested what I was doing could be potentially useful < 1331605100 882714 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I kind of did < 1331605102 642343 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1331605112 199874 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331605848 474429 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331605994 802527 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'You're welcome; please learn how to spell "thank you".' < 1331606073 661768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after I said ty < 1331606075 103497 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1331606109 203057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo i fear you're under the impression we will die if we don't hear every detail of your continuing #lisp experience < 1331606130 762791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331606206 454335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331606309 806903 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true < 1331606322 295669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need sgeo's #lisp experience to survive < 1331606423 899465 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331607134 792326 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-234-226.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331607138 425668 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-196.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331607458 507378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1331607458 747537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331607553 495056 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raping < 1331607553 771398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331607571 659191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331608003 148647 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608792 577387 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608914 27502 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly JOIN :#esoteric < 1331608968 368820 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) kmc told me I should join here - I have a FALSE compiler targeting x86-64 asm: http://www.leptoquark.net/~elly/false.c < 1331609089 761837 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is not very pretty :P < 1331609180 434414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elly < 1331609183 767681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331610210 44716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610226 770861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610298 335691 :ckennelly!~ckennelly@beryllium.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610366 616255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331610412 409722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331611850 793323 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331612073 322096 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/- < 1331612073 520176 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1331612073 683350 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/| < 1331612357 453332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1331612357 744283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1331612357 995020 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ < 1331612366 478621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ckennelly < 1331612369 118047 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ckennelly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331612480 776575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOCAPS? < 1331612719 179217 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331612921 791320 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331614288 106638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vanityfair.com/ontheweb/features/2007/02/autumn200702 "I see people in black hoods and robes sitting round a table, bound by blood oath never to divulge the latitude and longitude of Autumn." < 1331614939 945385 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetry to my soul < 1331614968 450783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the autumn, the season? < 1331615005 387314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ending of that article cheated me. :( < 1331615067 629042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you the latitude and longitude of the autumn equinox. < 1331615129 787634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331615259 369471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its declination is zero, and its Greenwich hour angle changes all the time. < 1331615286 747996 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is no longer an admin at the Nethack Wiki
< 1331615287 276672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ecliptic latitude is also zero, and its ecliptic longitude is 180 degrees (= 0 Libra). < 1331615306 920954 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615323 345288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its right ascension would also be 180 degrees (= 12 hours). < 1331615357 905615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You were ever? < 1331615378 291756 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2005 or so. It did carry over to the new site, if that's what you're asking. < 1331615394 965195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we know the latitude and longitude of the autumn equinox. < 1331615398 249279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently, if I want it back, I can just ask, and will get it, no questions asked. < 1331615420 234282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you founded it, right. < 1331615423 593283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sgeo What an impressive record. < 1331615581 899899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hi. < 1331615628 502747 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615633 821835 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331615641 509951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shadwick < 1331615693 751895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome zzo38 < 1331615695 956581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgep? < 1331615696 714987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331615709 578734 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331615712 657789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw you might want to get that implementation you wrote onto the file archive < 1331615721 618870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1331615743 541851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean autumn equinox in north hemisphere; in south hemisphere the coordinates I give are for spring equinox) < 1331615748 338359 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I used to be Sgep on Freenode because I forgot the password for Sgeo. < 1331615753 366706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331615755 812396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: < 1331615757 395450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being sh < 1331615759 158294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sha < 1331615767 513147 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Stop being sha < 1331615789 83092 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on shadwick (account shadwick): < 1331615791 994297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Apr 29 23:37:31 2009 (2 years, 45 weeks, 3 days, 05:38:45 ago) < 1331615794 968330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on Shachaf (account Shachaf): < 1331615795 130174 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stop being < 1331615797 468132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:16 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Jul 03 22:30:48 2004 (7 years, 36 weeks, 2 days, 06:45:31 ago) < 1331615801 414521 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy:( < 1331615808 655929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004. You were like 3 then, right? < 1331615815 668120 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure was < 1331615841 383662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved to the US in -- 2002? < 1331615858 242968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're younger than 21? < 1331615871 811161 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh ok. I've gotta fix it up a bit anyways < 1331615879 601646 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're talking about the Optimism thing right? < 1331615880 657595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting... snob... instinct. < 1331615889 299872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unless I've been lied to about my age. :-( < 1331615906 303908 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: he's talking about tab-completion. you and shachaf share the first three letters in your names < 1331615927 772474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: yeah < 1331615945 131391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Saying that was just as bad as not fighting it, so you might as well just go ahead. < 1331615952 101628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least if I was elliott I'd be talking about tab-completion because wow sharing three letters is a lot < 1331615973 16137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's too much < 1331615976 925671 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm working on a compiler/interpreter for another language right now. I'll fix up the last bit of the Optimism code before I ask about the archive thingy < 1331615980 48643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly < 1331615980 928530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: GET OUT < 1331616001 132408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, who is even elly? < 1331616005 932168 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: I'm pretty sure you've been around for longer than elliott. < 1331616012 850694 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know, elly! < 1331616015 205035 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows elly. < 1331616020 567594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know elly. < 1331616021 28373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ehird, man < 1331616025 32526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird died. < 1331616031 381581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was tusho < 1331616033 202352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live ehird < 1331616038 367353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dead body. < 1331616052 723504 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331616064 735834 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm referring to a less than stellar writer on the old NH wiki < 1331616141 467736 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT IO IS PURE LOGIC SAYS SO < 1331616293 748098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've come to a realization. < 1331616300 501857 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every thing is either the devil or the future. < 1331616311 916376 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the devilfuture? < 1331616322 591789 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devilfuture is the devil. < 1331616582 428345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331616684 323157 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331617364 961808 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got in touch with evincar about Alchemy < 1331617380 232100 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he was never expecting an email about it haha < 1331617560 315044 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar? < 1331617564 593437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alchemy? < 1331617565 772331 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331617578 363987 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a random lang I found in the unimplemented category yesterday < 1331617579 621427 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2008 < 1331617591 823494 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make an interpreter for it so I contacted him to ask a few dtails < 1331617622 455073 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming along well so far; got the source->bytecode compiler working and program state and execution functionality down < 1331617628 768179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀chemy! < 1331617638 867476 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha nice name < 1331617696 268459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language are you using to write compilers/interpreters? < 1331617709 92741 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1331617716 919688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian. < 1331617739 151526 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :far as I know, it will pass valgrind with flying colours < 1331617740 259925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1331617743 752826 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't confirmed that yet < 1331617798 138471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@ < 1331617828 115687 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used different programming languages to implement different esolangs, sometimes multiple implementations in different programming languages, some of them possibly other esolangs too. < 1331617833 626799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more @ you add, the perfecter it gets < 1331617936 625461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^@ < 1331618400 565545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have implemented FlogScript in PHP, BytePusher in CWEB, Constantinople in Haskell, Deadfish in dc and Forth and TeX and TeXnicard, Underload in TeX and FlogScript, and Unlambda in PHP. < 1331618463 854235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also invented and implemented FurryScript, which may be called a quasi-esolang by some.) < 1331618470 503172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and I have implemented Pure BF in Haskell, too. < 1331618482 757553 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry...script? < 1331618505 986897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript Tell me if you misunderstand anything about it. < 1331618543 39834 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, i was envisaging something more like a cross between 'yiff' and lolcode < 1331618549 575805 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .. i couldn't think of anything except 'yiff' < 1331618653 336160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Well, someone once thought it was something like that and responded to my message about FurryScript with a code that looked like a somewhat badly written JavaScript code involving 'yiff' and a few other things. But actually, FurryScript is not JavaScript nor is it 'yiff'. < 1331618694 20773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dispensin' the facts < 1331618733 271998 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1331618740 475292 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more interesting if it was though < 1331618741 94894 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331618761 863495 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little(?) known fact is that 'yiff' comes from a whole language of dog sounds haha < 1331618779 975926 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'whole language' i'm talking like a dozen words of course < 1331618792 734084 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yiff is the only one anyone knows < 1331619205 767919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can write programs in FurryScript involving that stuff or any other stuff if you want, but they are not part of the programming language. Do you think this is good and understandable document to you? < 1331619229 597332 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i was only curious if it was any relation :P < 1331619235 257457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1331619561 257708 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good and understandable document :) < 1331619598 335152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write any programs using it? So far I am the only one who has written anything with it (although data comes from various sources and is not entirely my own). < 1331619677 752290 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the document would certainly benefit from some code examples both to demonstrate syntax and purpose :P < 1331619682 341004 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define writing a program < 1331619747 437368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1331619752 982866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some vagaries that could be explained better < 1331619792 671550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1331619836 524252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tell me to go to bed in the next few minutes, thanks < 1331619844 525293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to bed < 1331619860 169367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: OK then do tell me what needs to be explain better < 1331619866 190461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to fix it < 1331619906 120851 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what you mean by 'continuation', what purpose a parameter serves (and where it goes when you take it from the stack), and your syntax with the parenthesis ( foo -- bar ) < 1331619915 574162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no not now < 1331619917 373476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not noooooooow < 1331619926 365082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I would assume the standard meaning of continuation unless stated otherwise < 1331619930 162935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now? < 1331619933 417585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( foo -- bar ) is presumably the standard Forth stack notation < 1331619937 270730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no not noooooooow < 1331619941 378742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now. < 1331619943 943585 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, but i'm a noob < 1331619962 135534 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a timer < 1331619967 973027 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you are defining something for a person to read, you don't want to draw references in from a bunch of other languages ;) < 1331619985 954886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uncertain if one command per line or what < 1331619993 266832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well continuations are a pretty common concept :P < 1331620002 774881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack notation is unintuitive to a newcomer to stack languages though yeah < 1331620013 340299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation may enlighten you or confuse you tenfold < 1331620015 869966 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just taking it for what it is < 1331620025 774249 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a document ;) < 1331620035 175232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: The ( foo -- bar ) is the Forth-like stack notation; elliott is correct about that. (It is sometimes used in other programming language with stack too.) But the continuations are not exactly like other programming language continuations though; there are a few differences. I don't know the best way to describe but source-codes is available. < 1331620053 239421 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess this is foot-in-mouth moment, i didn't even recognize these as standard notations :P < 1331620062 603731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is i'm not even in the right channel ;D < 1331620068 989680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples might also help. Here are codes for examples: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/scripts/ < 1331620093 627602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well continuations are mostly something you might stumble upon in functional programming circles liek scheme and haskell, although POSIX used to have them (technically) < 1331620104 427570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interwiki link to wikipedia for the term is probably appropriate < 1331620120 139346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: the ( foo -- bar ) thing is just ( stack before -- stack afterwards ) < 1331620124 253497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ( m n -- m+n ) < 1331620131 469287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap would be ( a b -- b a ) < 1331620132 173037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1331620178 439189 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda what i gathered from context < 1331620203 671819 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wasn't sure "where" the components were < 1331620204 383647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331620213 715663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :top of the stack comes last < 1331620226 524933 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "on the stack" or "somewhere else" < 1331620232 82319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331620232 246621 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so savvy as that < 1331620232 749665 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331620233 288596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack < 1331620261 582504 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i just came here because of bf joust a long time ago and stay because interesting stuff at times < 1331620350 984313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of a subroutine can be one of three things: OK, bad, or very bad. < 1331620379 967861 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HORrible ;D < 1331620402 86058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why the command for very bad is called HOR. < 1331620412 6455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: er you were here way before bf joust i think < 1331620423 582325 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nope! < 1331620433 352081 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, bf joust has had a couple recurrences < 1331620445 826044 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was impomatic in #corewars talkin about it that got me to come play < 1331620464 287505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1331620465 211637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1331620468 917773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(logs know all) < 1331620475 327305 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620488 932944 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331620489 892202 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet \o/ talks more than i do :) < 1331620490 86061 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1331620490 248159 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /< < 1331620517 402835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1331620517 564738 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620518 20163 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1331620518 314257 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\ /<  /<      |     /<   |\  |\     |      >\ /<  /'\ < 1331620518 476071 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /`\                   /¯|_) < 1331620518 476238 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_| |_)               (_| < 1331620521 639158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: oh speaking of which i had a bug report < 1331620526 708325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620526 869993 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3\4o5|6 7|8o9|2 3|4o5/6 7 8\9m2/3 4\5m6/7 8 9|2o3/4 5\6o7/8 9\2o3|4 5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6 7\8o9|2 3|4o5|6 7|8o9/ < 1331620531 161976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make this work please < 1331620532 425741 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331620534 516491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy the colours for each column < 1331620534 920805 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1331620537 161236 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331620538 444544 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harder < 1331620538 606300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1331620543 506923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331620548 293012 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1331620551 867363 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have a script that applies here < 1331620553 395505 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this out < 1331620561 755444 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do /me something myndzi but put color codes all up in my nick < 1331620571 189104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9dop boop
< 1331620572 771826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9dop
< 1331620574 181845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1331620576 721296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not dop < 1331620579 470460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9myndzi
< 1331620579 761116 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620580 12614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 9elliott
< 1331620589 332945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already knew about that < 1331620597 349359 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 06e15l07l05i13o04t07t < 1331620599 735542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do the colour codes do something special < 1331620608 341082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 06m09y12n13d02z10i < 1331620613 602667 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will scale the codes to match < 1331620614 98135 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331620618 241137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, great < 1331620620 886916 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 4myndzi
< 1331620621 403481 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop 4shachaf
< 1331620623 706961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop myndzi
< 1331620624 212310 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop elliott
< 1331620627 217943 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331620629 152822 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620629 482421 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620631 679800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop myndz89123i
< 1331620632 192758 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boop elliot89123t
< 1331620646 300945 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that script applies here though < 1331620657 277314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 2m3y4n5d6z7i 2m3y4n5d6z7i
< 1331620657 822128 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 2s3h4ac5h6a7f 2s3h4ac5h6a7f
< 1331620664 539851 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: :-( < 1331620671 97244 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331620680 710208 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicks different lengths man, what do you want ;p < 1331620693 944984 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that looks cool on my theme < 1331620696 303211 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect gradient < 1331620701 368003 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now < 1331620710 163524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: in 5 minutes!!!!!!!!! < 1331620712 984724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even 7 am yet < 1331620715 973149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow myndzi < 1331620716 135244 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2m3y4n5d6z7i < 1331620717 916930 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION monqy 2m3y4n5d6z7i
< 1331620718 594132 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION monqy 2s3h4ac5h6a7f
< 1331620718 755914 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331620722 418127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION myndzi
< 1331620722 940663 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION elliott
< 1331620723 693646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: :-( < 1331620725 103402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1331620741 687113 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/my ndzi myndzi < 1331620755 929308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ndzi
< 1331620759 803776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendzi < 1331620764 983538 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i wonder if this will work < 1331620773 559932 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331620773 721606 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2\3o4|5 6|7o8|9 2|3o4/5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6|7o8/9 2\3o4/5 6\7o8|9 2\3m4/5 6\7m8/9 2\3o4|5 6|7o8|9 2|3o4/ < 1331620773 883733 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   | < 1331620773 883910 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          >\  |\ /|     |     >\ /|   |\    |     |\ /´\ /| < 1331620773 884022 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                       /\               (_|¯`¯|_) < 1331620773 884129 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     (_| |_)                  < 1331620774 45654 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   |   `\o/´69   |   |   | < 1331620774 654581 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ /|  /´\    |    /´\  >\ /|     |    /|  /^\ /´\ < 1331620774 816212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              /`\              (_|¯´\ < 1331620775 695975 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            (_| |_)                 |_) < 1331620776 907512 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620808 431585 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why it didn't trigger on yours < 1331620838 55033 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to do the colors sometime when i'm not four beers in, it probably requires a complete rewrite of things < 1331620846 99263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bolds complicate matters too, but hopefully i don't have to support that :) < 1331620885 239068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: can i make it more complicated < 1331620890 669884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just copying the colours for each column is wrong < 1331620900 260998 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want it to follow the lines < 1331620903 529754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a head is one colour, that entire person (and only that person) should be that colour < 1331620914 143653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually makes it easier < 1331620917 99982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's multiple colours, it should use the same stretching you use for nicks to fill the whole body on every line ;) < 1331620923 171470 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-196.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331620931 947405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it easier? i don't want to see your code then < 1331620937 117229 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331620941 561236 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you said "body same color as head" < 1331620945 254704 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that = one color for everything < 1331620954 140273 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the little dudes \o/ < 1331620954 302053 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                          | < 1331620954 463739 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         /< < 1331620960 97843 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fall into three columns by your description anyway < 1331620968 922955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_| |_) ain't three columns < 1331620969 232618 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the stretching would be the same as per-column < 1331620974 966971 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ little dudes < 1331620977 377871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331620993 7479 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that guy is about the same < 1331620998 318576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :max +1 and/or -1 < 1331621008 500957 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stretching that to two wouldn't be much of a ... stretch < 1331621010 852460 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1331621049 307171 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-151-222.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621052 495032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621053 22196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621053 200269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621055 667594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621056 194427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331621062 681764 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has it been 5 minutes < 1331621066 410584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah ok < 1331621075 930417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i thought it'd be harder to do it per-guy because they can overlap in columns < 1331621078 459908 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621078 924305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing which only I have written files for so far is the Internet Quiz Engine. (And unlike FurryScript, Internet Quiz Engine supports user uploads.) < 1331621086 263432 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually can't < 1331621090 927165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome rvchangue < 1331621095 47959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rvchangue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331621095 853237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: meh, blame my proportional font then < 1331621103 479506 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't render the rocker dude if he's within one character of other stuff < 1331621114 236284 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, why would you even care with a proportional font lol ;) < 1331621188 736906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to see the code anyway though < 1331621197 547379 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like any code that starts simple and expands to do more than it should < 1331621210 991192 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a fixed font on my IRC but that doesn't mean these things will be lined up < 1331621212 753762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an extensible dude-drawing framework < 1331621222 397086 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331621231 636752 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: too many variances in clients, yeah < 1331621251 882983 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any client that left-aligns nicks should do, excepting ones that don't pad for non-status-symbols when there's a difference < 1331621269 180481 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually made it output proper spaces once but i actually got more complaints than otherwise < 1331621305 363449 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i neglected an ebay auction earlier < 1331621306 552042 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1331621315 900183 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 watt solar panel, probably would have gone for < $1/watt < 1331621331 64826 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i laid eyes on it at 8 mins to go and then got distracted < 1331621338 822017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once bought ebay < 1331621343 578938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 120 watt myndzi
< 1331621344 126846 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 120 watt shachaf
< 1331621351 175462 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once watt ebay < 1331621353 447892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ps - revive bf joust, thx < 1331621356 107575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04282006 < 1331621361 142794 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331621368 382598 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed that slowrush is still hanging out in decent shape < 1331621374 601535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: For example, on my client, your messages are thirteen spaces to the right of elliott's messages. And many other client do in other ways; it also depend fixed/proportinal, table format, and other things too. So you cannot really get it to work (possibly even in some cases, messages from the same sender might not be lined up!) < 1331621375 194014 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1331621380 899948 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to top the effort ais put in < 1331621387 167589 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what limited motivation i have :) < 1331621432 756906 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones he did most recently are like the ones i wanted to do but didn't want to spend the effort on, but also better most likely < 1331621433 784739 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331621448 688153 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's less about discovery than it is about refinement < 1331621453 434360 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same r eason i can't get myself into corewars < 1331621516 91738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, my IRC uses its own colors instead of using the colors specified in the message.) < 1331621530 299591 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does < 1331621548 248590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i think it's still about discovery as, iirc, ais' latest strategy still has no known counter < 1331621555 997700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1331621568 800323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's more like, there's no way i can cater to everything so i went for the majority < 1331621594 92751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes, you cannot cater to everything. < 1331621602 766797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible to cater to zzo's client < 1331621647 744681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: zzo38's client shows the lines as raw IRC lines with syntax highlighting < 1331621649 327716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's that < 1331621650 61253 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno, i just refreshed my memory and it's more like "everything useful thus far" < 1331621652 323352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better account for user+hostname < 1331621658 269285 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol. < 1331621663 251729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: eh? < 1331621665 13308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: everything useful < 1331621668 188255 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've irced with telnet many a time and i can't imagine why anyone would want to do that < 1331621678 399213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because zzo < 1331621678 755306 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It probably is, but is not such a good idea since any client does them differently from another one. < 1331621678 956197 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean slowpoke.bfjoust < 1331621692 140324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuck good{night,morning} < 1331621697 514719 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's integrated the strategies or counters to everything up to it basically < 1331621702 883201 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that shows in the ratings too < 1331621704 473221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I have once done that too; but then I found it wasn't very good so I wrote an IRC client instead. < 1331621748 349275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loses to a couple, which means that you could target it, but that does you no good if the specific killers don't survive on their own against a lot of other things < 1331621791 396501 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not being defeatist, i just don't have any ideas :) < 1331621802 47697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that don't involve "doing something very similar but better" < 1331621814 620661 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the "doing something new" that caught my interest < 1331621917 615836 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-195.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331621941 489371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331622072 639420 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-151-222.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331622132 420842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Sunday, I have played D&D game. < 1331622146 290238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But experience points for that session have not yet been counted. < 1331622178 577396 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331622204 733406 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331622213 725469 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under deliberation? < 1331622239 887341 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just up til 3am and wanted sleep ;) < 1331622275 576762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is that the DM lacked time to do so. < 1331622427 475751 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-125-51.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331622526 843999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the players is new and played only one session before this one; her character is a human fighter, using a staff and crossbow, with high Wisdom, and has a winter blanket, candle, bread, cheese, meat, and ale. < 1331622549 582037 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems very random < 1331622549 799600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is very different from that and has very different equipment. < 1331622578 688049 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-195.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331622623 345454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really got into a decent d&d game :\ < 1331622635 983949 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had the opportunity and not the knowledge and also the reverse < 1331622636 533076 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331622643 831164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also one player who has quit. < 1331622709 472481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they quit due to an ale shortage < 1331622730 584899 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I GETTING DRUNK YET < 1331622735 552659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No; I think he just wanted to do other things. < 1331622911 553900 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331623062 636328 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-125-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331623349 462016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read about the game and about the characters since I put all of it onto the computer. < 1331623482 912469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her character has tried to offer some food to my character for healing, but she learn better in future < 1331623596 172617 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't eat? :P < 1331623604 587706 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331623658 457193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, it wouldn't heal hit point damage. < 1331623720 525062 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft you're not playing Final Fantasy? :P < 1331623734 95707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct; I am not playing Final Fantasy. < 1331623874 903928 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's better with chocobos! < 1331623880 198090 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-243.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331624052 651208 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331624284 820857 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-231-58.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331624426 670451 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-229-243.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331625106 653002 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625248 979761 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331625345 809234 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should play Chocobo Dungeon < 1331625361 255012 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes as much sense as it sounds, but it has chocobos < 1331625398 201998 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625410 357520 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-244.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331625763 501282 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-6.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625820 489963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331625922 680481 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-231-58.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331626520 508532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331627411 965427 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-178.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331627572 733207 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-6.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331628110 205837 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Shen uses a C++ convention for comments." < 1331628118 17226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\* Here is a comment *\" < 1331628119 302104 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1331628128 982611 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ inspired, I guess. < 1331628339 643558 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to invent new comment syntax for your language < 1331628348 262845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes polyglot programs easier to write < 1331628515 317417 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Polygots that don't use comments. < 1331628833 807879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the next release I’m trying to decide whether to roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28." < 1331628869 866258 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1331628890 292118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mastodon.biz/ same guy that has the SCCS mirror on github < 1331628913 270699 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4.20 was the kernel, man. < 1331628920 931701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kernel that it's all about. < 1331629066 214106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331629075 66287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331629954 427113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a nick matchin ell.* and thinks "this will end well."
< 1331629987 266592 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean "this will start ell"? < 1331629998 772651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1331630031 396404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get a domain name in Afghanistan? < 1331630078 334464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous < 1331630275 4075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://p.zem.fi/d0as -- C/Befunge polyglot without comments. (Okay, so X/Befunge is far too easy.) < 1331630306 615064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are still waiting for Malbolge/Befunge. < 1331630326 661125 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/Whitespace is easier. < 1331630339 303934 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does whitespace count as comments when there's information encoded in it? < 1331630366 239052 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do non-whitespace characters in Whitespace count as comments? < 1331630367 120139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about strings? Do those count as comments? Python practically uses them as such. < 1331630415 502669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has strings attached < 1331630421 972422 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cute/cool < 1331630546 397044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:36: Norwegian. < 1331630546 559270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:59: far as I know, it will pass valgrind with flying colours < 1331630553 495759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1331630564 964336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weren't the same person. < 1331630585 758836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM STARTING TO AGREE WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THESE NICK MATTERS < 1331630608 275227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT UNCERTAIN PEOPLE < 1331630609 839528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true what you say, nick matters. < 1331630637 401776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot agree with uncertain people, you never know where you might end up. < 1331630662 586146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might end up uncertain. < 1331630680 396579 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, you're Norwegian. < 1331630696 760857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you pass Valgrind? < 1331630716 423765 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you ever been to Bø? < 1331630718 747510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: presumably, only if i die in battle. < 1331630723 768884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick question: All cities in Norway are called Bø. < 1331630751 323256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a bo-ing place it must be. < 1331630781 813162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Bø in Vesterålen? < 1331630789 181236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Bøing. < 1331630803 128149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the name of a big airplane thing company. < 1331630815 981136 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, Telemark. < 1331630858 909146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. then probably not. probably not the other one either. < 1331630956 243626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is a bit unsure, since i've been to some nearby places < 1331630966 18754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't _recall_ visiting either. < 1331630986 837074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/latter/Vesterålen one/ < 1331631346 943177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:01: little(?) known fact is that 'yiff' comes from a whole language of dog sounds haha < 1331631350 187400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:19: by 'whole language' i'm talking like a dozen words of course < 1331631357 615990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's more than enough for turing-completeness! < 1331631658 628914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331631755 813802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331631774 688034 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331631780 733965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632193 504155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183067 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183363 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 183444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632194 780897 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331632293 552308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 706888 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707031 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331632523 707183 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331635322 799288 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331637783 713346 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331638249 728313 :sunz!~sunz@p54820778.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331638279 533876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sunz < 1331638287 82964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunz: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331638552 576286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (welcome && welcome && welcome) | @ oerjan cat - < 1331638556 695706 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page \ Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page \ Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design < 1331638615 386390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1331638622 270952 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome fizzie | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/!-~/！-～/; y/ /　/' < 1331638625 249786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ｆｉｚｚｉｅ：　Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ　ｔｏ　ｔｈｅ　ｉｎｔｅｒｎａｔｉｏｎａｌ　ｈｕｂ　ｆｏｒ　ｅｓｏｔｅｒｉｃ　ｐｒｏｇｒａｍｍｉｎｇ　ｌａｎｇｕａｇｅ　ｄｅｓｉｇｎ　ａｎｄ　ｄｅｐｌｏｙｍｅｎｔ！　Ｆｏｒ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｉｎｆｏｒｍａｔｉｏｎ，　ｃｈｅｃｋ　ｏｕｔ　ｏｕｒ　ｗｉｋｉ：　ｈｔｔｐ：／／ｅｓｏｌａｎｇｓ < 1331638639 445719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the widest welcome. < 1331638881 639479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome ion | perl -CS -Mutf8 -pwe 'y/a-zA-Z/𝖆-𝖟𝕬-𝖅/' < 1331638884 969043 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𝖎𝖔𝖓: 𝖂𝖊𝖑𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝖙𝖔 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑 𝖍𝖚𝖇 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖊𝖘𝖔𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖎𝖈 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖌𝖗𝖆𝖒𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖚𝖆𝖌𝖊 𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖎𝖌𝖓 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖊𝖕𝖑𝖔𝖞𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙! 𝕱𝖔𝖗 𝖒𝖔𝖗𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓, < 1331638899 735342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, it does not work in my terminal; had to go all XChat for it.) < 1331638905 221605 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in mine. < 1331638916 823513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a font problem. < 1331638920 33262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331639006 623226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh; at codu logs with this work-borwser, doesn't show up in the regular logs but does show up in the "text" and "raw" ones. < 1331639985 264954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1331640747 243203 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331640773 651059 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641048 851904 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331641531 968702 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641702 988295 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331641718 219310 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331641741 6554 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-178.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331642028 963409 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331642069 792753 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331642202 967073 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-236-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331642439 984140 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-158-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331642599 20548 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331643703 355110 :ckennelly!~ckennelly@beryllium.caltech.edu PART :#esoteric < 1331643875 3140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331645682 934623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331646420 634305 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331646553 501714 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331646578 336833 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649178 8265 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649202 505301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331649217 439739 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331649815 355882 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh; at codu logs with this work-borwser, doesn't show up in the regular logs but does show up in the "text" and "raw" ones. // whoah, same here ... that's odd. < 1331649886 983337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331650074 18671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, the HTML version is physically full of ef bf bd (that's UTF8ese for U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER) where the characters should be. < 1331650098 830351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're non-BMP characters, maybe someone has Uniscrewed up? < 1331650110 927717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what screwing up Unicode support is called.) < 1331650318 919384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331650323 461473 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331650560 78957 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so! < 1331651420 988684 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331651626 192934 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331653245 546212 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-120-19.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331653423 198899 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-158-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331653913 1396 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331654670 539014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331654716 5685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elly a relation of elliott's? < 1331654769 866967 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All people whose names begin with "ell" are related. < 1331654825 64453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, didn't you know that elliott's real name is actually Ell Iot the Third? < 1331654841 747912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hexham they use the familial, personal name order. < 1331654890 346772 :sunz!~sunz@p54820778.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"Verlassend" < 1331655514 155094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331655707 847145 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331655976 581556 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns of the being known as Xah Lee
< 1331655984 825702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_thread/thread/71ff72fc0f45ec82 < 1331656174 212474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331656243 286441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331656720 782637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK's going to lose Eurovision this year. < 1331656722 719065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1331657750 506811 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331658513 483301 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331658816 184684 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xah lee is insane < 1331658816 838177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331658880 830085 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-252-155.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659055 233654 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-120-19.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659182 956602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659403 463319 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-252-233.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659444 115809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659468 464060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331659480 144522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of learning C++ < 1331659605 244006 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-252-155.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659634 148632 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions for a tutorial? < 1331659652 669179 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-45.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659698 382803 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=c%2B%2B+fqa < 1331659734 39882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1331659734 269012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1331659738 121218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1331659758 937368 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWW isn't working, but IRC seems to be? < 1331659781 245902 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-252-233.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331659819 806496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype seems to be working too < 1331659961 466220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331659961 628310 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331659985 566468 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331660027 305738 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660136 880405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I shouldn't learn C++? < 1331660210 817659 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660327 875478 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being a jerk ^^ < 1331660340 160352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331660350 373127 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a language to learn that isn't Haskell. < 1331660350 677016 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-227-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331660374 210936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, while Haskell is great and all, it's all I know other than a little Python and less VB < 1331660375 324605 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-45.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331660400 900266 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Then learn %c\n", unix["OCAML"]); < 1331660405 926590 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then learn C < 1331660422 400801 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, can you recommend a C tutorial? < 1331660427 954248 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1331660432 816941 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1331660471 288712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: it's capitalised "OCaml", which would have worked just as well < 1331660487 147442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I realized that too late. < 1331660508 593492 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331660529 260412 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-93.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331660672 728748 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1331660673 958323 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331660693 363479 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Watch me pull this topic out of my hat! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331660825 737424 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-253-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661013 267595 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-227-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331661674 763731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661838 242576 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661843 755452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331661849 244526 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e ai rapaziada < 1331661886 726857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331661937 863718 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sidneycavalanti < 1331661940 960786 :sidneycavalanti!~Servidor@189.81.159.110 PART :#esoteric < 1331661941 122673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidneycavalanti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331661944 471830 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1331661946 519936 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked well. < 1331662076 13827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just did a causality violation. < 1331662155 667740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google celebrates origami grandmaster akira yoshizawa.. wiki page includes link to Tribute by David Lister (no relation to red dwarf) < 1331662214 15974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only mentioned it for the red dwarf reference < 1331662225 995569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree/disagree some of Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth? < 1331662236 462628 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Make sure you keep us up to date on all potential Red Dwarf references. < 1331662407 600839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Then learn C" lol < 1331662483 432688 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331662486 261750 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331662509 766667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331662638 916698 :Taneb!~chatzilla@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331662996 971381 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663042 914968 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331663105 977396 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331663195 739564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I saw some question asking if "I is" can be used in English language. Now I have a second question to go with it, which is if "i is" can be used in English language. < 1331663235 252313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-12.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331663236 781979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-225.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663239 609179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :borat uses it < 1331663252 464464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my imagination he does < 1331663302 956100 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is savvy to right grammar feel me? < 1331663349 683303 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of "i is the square root of negative one". < 1331663391 906286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the textual rorschach test < 1331663406 705845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1331663455 3333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1331663464 693671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to field your comments to more than one person < 1331663519 380900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, this Chromium (17) doesn't do a 'fi' ligature in the text, where a Firefox (10) does. < 1331663642 7819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331663664 145072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though 17 is like seven more than 10.) < 1331663675 15743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I is a word" ;)? < 1331663697 142896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663758 353786 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663758 635891 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331663758 797819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331663886 621391 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331664437 808569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1331665050 535900 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665146 652008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665308 889019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:53:53: "For the next release I’m trying to decide whether to roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28." < 1331665309 716359 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331665312 243307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's great isn't he < 1331665321 694610 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwow < 1331665343 780655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same guy as libc4) < 1331665364 275013 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured < 1331665416 194985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665501 558896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331665505 519811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331665549 285277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, proggit found a "Single-process, event-driven server from 1999!" < 1331665564 627494 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, such as most servers from 1999? < 1331665583 572744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's serve like it's 1999? < 1331665590 785967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodelivescript.com < 1331665604 721670 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331665694 535878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40:00: !c printf("Then learn %c\n", unix["OCAML"]); < 1331665694 697824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:40:05: Then learn C < 1331665696 320675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: how < 1331665703 771867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unix even a standard symbol < 1331665706 620564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:38:40: The UK's going to lose Eurovision this year. < 1331665706 782234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:38:42: Again. < 1331665716 261265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone tell them there's only one winner each year? < 1331665717 288591 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", unix); // @elliott < 1331665719 546802 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331665735 587709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Pollution :'( < 1331665736 589832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: likely not standard-standard, but one of the symbols you can #ifdef to see if you're on unix < 1331665745 109722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAMESPACE POLLUTION < 1331665750 888014 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a gross one. < 1331665753 324821 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, < 1331665758 325814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", linux); < 1331665760 446823 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331665763 331077 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadurp < 1331665796 76900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331665805 657068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331665816 207910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Best letter: %c", __DBL_DIG__["ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"]); < 1331665818 532560 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best letter: P < 1331665842 934178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's got the __s, though. < 1331665873 344987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to "gcc -E -dD -x c /dev/null", "linux" and "unix" are the only underscoreless ones here. < 1331665960 82426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c", "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"[_POSIX_VERSION%26]); < 1331665962 462354 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1331665965 63577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1331666000 670488 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the best way to check your POSIX version. < 1331666076 831110 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-240-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666145 247674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",_POSIX_VERSION); < 1331666147 473561 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :200112 < 1331666227 377602 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-253-173.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666232 753770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c", unix[__VERSION__]); < 1331666235 13993 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1331666244 286998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1331666260 981683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should've printed it with %d for more confusion. < 1331666264 255111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", unix[__VERSION__]); < 1331666266 528380 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 < 1331666271 299834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously a V46 Unix. < 1331666304 248404 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331666336 29644 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-144-157.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666469 419204 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-240-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666483 710887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "appEndo looks a lot less like a magic spell when you spell it app_endo" --DanBurton < 1331666510 401889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :appéndo. < 1331666592 775583 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-210.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666607 438091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :appEndo functio < 1331666638 572609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spells are _supposed_ to be broken latin, right?) < 1331666755 363704 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-144-157.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666757 21712 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-133-231.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666770 738173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, crapinternet < 1331666805 149070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason this open IRC connection works although any new outgoing connections are broken < 1331666806 634339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-225.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331666807 614511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666819 82042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had that happen once. < 1331666825 439684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was dns which was done < 1331666829 122292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*down < 1331666833 760254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331666871 150501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ping and dns works... < 1331666881 42711 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666892 871044 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.137.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331666900 677164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait was it that even weirder case when my isp lost contact with most places outside norway < 1331666909 367164 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-210.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331666935 588824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could log on to nvg, and from there to anywhere. or was it more complicated than that. < 1331666941 582562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I'll have to get a server someplace on the internet, then do ip-over-ping to that server < 1331666960 667549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1331666989 270962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just switch ISP to something that doesn't require this netgear crap < 1331667028 21318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip-over-ping :D < 1331667107 372678 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-133-231.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331667392 973282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep flying into trees < 1331667409 107798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i have never had that problem. < 1331667443 626349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1331667467 411789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is more of the never managing to take off kind. < 1331667475 302633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any ideas for better names for [[EsoInterpreters]]? :P < 1331667494 123462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esorters. Wait, no, "better". Sorry. < 1331667495 633015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose [[Interpreters in esoteric languages]] would work, but that could be used for implementations of /non-esoteric/ languages in esolangs < 1331667500 362588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what's wrong with it. < 1331667502 769848 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.255 QUIT : < 1331667524 913332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Interpreters of esoteric languages in esoteric languages by esoteric languages for esoteric languages]]. < 1331667529 672377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the camelcase is very out-of-place and it doesn't offer any useful information beyond "Interpreters" < 1331667542 466221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if we get any of those they would probably deserve to be there < 1331667624 892308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, wat? it's meant to be a cross-reference. if you add a column you add a row. thus if i implemented C in Thue, we'd have to add implementations of all the esolangs in C to the table < 1331667634 672296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ridiculous < 1331667652 780642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have many more rows than columns < 1331667683 285876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i've been thinking that if we get much more columns it should be split up, i thought the self-interpreters could be their own table < 1331667687 566795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many < 1331667696 212547 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that table wants to be automatically generated < 1331667700 139939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok "if you add a row and there are any relevant column entries then you add a column" < 1331667715 634993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, that was what i was going to work on, but then i got annoyed at the page name again. < 1331667781 578440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fizzie is on the right track with [[Interpreters of esoteric languages in esoteric languages by esoteric languages for esoteric languages]] < 1331667783 195601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[X_in_Y]] < 1331667851 562212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does ip-over-ping work? < 1331667869 228626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1331667925 887621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Are you sure it's not lacking few more prepositions? Under esoteric languages alongside esoteric languages betwixt esoteric languages notwithstanding esoteric languages? < 1331667941 317099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: based on my recent experiments, better than ip-over-internet < 1331668026 280851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tcp/ip-over-internet, the ip part is actually somewhat working < 1331668035 281439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd google for even more prepositions if I could < 1331668081 580950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i _believe_ that it can be generated with a (hideous) template < 1331668094 889157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all you'd need to do is something like < 1331668097 315537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331668140 542614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| slashes=[[:///]];bct http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/bct.sss;bct http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Nthern/archive#BCT_interpreter_in_.2F.2F.2F < 1331668147 179564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not certain. < 1331668185 309938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm is Ook! _really_ a joke language? we have worse BF derivatives categorised as languages :P < 1331668339 781389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's horoscope include a grand trine of Ven-Mar-Plu and Jup-Mar-Plu. (Actually, Lilith does too.) So, if someone ask you, what is today's horoscope? Then tell them there is the grand trine. If they ask you what that means, tell them it is three objects 120 degrees apart of ecliptic longitude from each other. < 1331668462 47355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr r/astronomy had pictures of a venus-jupiter conjunction some days ago < 1331668517 146320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is that what this implies today < 1331668517 350735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, well it was intended as a joke… < 1331668519 693614 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the Venus-Jupiter conjunction even today it seems; although their ecliptic latitudes differ. < 1331668521 808639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is as bad as the esolang/not esolang thing < 1331668527 203283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to categorise it as nonjoke, though < 1331668535 137384 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-205.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331668562 815815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is Ven-Mar-Plu and Jup-Mar-Plu grand trines today, that does imply Venus-Jupiter conjunction) < 1331668576 127626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we seem to treat direct brainfuck ciphers as joke languages < 1331668578 278666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when we forget to < 1331668586 452405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, did you hear that someone wrote an underload self-interp? < 1331668588 645517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but lost it) < 1331668620 904401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean, not the ()^ joke one? < 1331668626 200576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too hard < 1331668630 783675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never looked at the actual planets with a telescope, although I sometimes see moon and planets and stars and so on just looking outside, I can see which direction and how close they are to each other and so on. I can compute horizon view on my computer as well, though. < 1331668636 226841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 'betwixt' and 'notwithstanding' were from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_prepositions < 1331668642 708555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it should be pretty easy < 1331668642 895256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1331668644 513226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not that you probably can see it HA HA AH < 1331668656 698227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An Underload self-interpreter without cheating would be quite an achievement!" --you, 2007 < 1331668689 625675 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331668691 395902 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.137.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331668702 264120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question would be how the input is encoded, no? < 1331668734 857897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :church numerals apparently < 1331668735 505835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without encoding, i see no way to evaluate (:^):^ without cheating < 1331668736 650012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmkr! < 1331668749 565641 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331668757 414802 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question. which one i should learn? haskell, scheme, or lisp? < 1331668769 954450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: Perhaps learn all three. < 1331668770 131926 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see many esolang related programs are written in haskell < 1331668782 777046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's my favorite language these days < 1331668813 614595 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, when i was writing that i was in fact thinking about your programs :D < 1331668819 178141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lisp < 1331668860 185892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a compiler for the esolang Constantinople, in Haskell. < 1331668874 930008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan and zzo38 are probably to blame for the number of haskell esolang programs < 1331668889 53711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's rather popular in here too < 1331668897 255740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: as far as "lisp" goes, assuming you mean Common Lisp, I wouldn't bother < 1331668900 808060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do search in esolang wiki, you can find other things too. < 1331668906 700943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(R5RS) scheme is a far more interesting language in that family < 1331668926 334613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331668941 611297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you learn haskell, scheme will be easy to learn. scheme knowledge helps comparatively less in learning haskell. but scheme is easier to learn coming from a background of "traditional" languages < 1331669011 27235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1331669012 816712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1331669026 903604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, is it possible to do a map over every parameter in mediawiki? < 1331669033 89352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(templates) < 1331669051 517054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know, unless you know all the possible parameter names, and only then via the stupidest form of iteration < 1331669078 211298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember the devs yelling at the authors of {{for}}, too < 1331669086 297589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... what do templates that take arbitrary amounts of data do, then? oh, hmm, perhaps I can achieve this with X-Macros < 1331669088 366908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it produced too much server load, or something < 1331669089 985079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm < 1331669090 672659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a MediaWiki extension. < 1331669096 427157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does {{ {{{1}}} | blah }} ever work to invoke a template? < 1331669097 658362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they cap at an arbitrary number < 1331669100 844756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it does < 1331669104 555389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1331669108 164537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I can produce a data file like < 1331669108 523514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the usual way to do large hash tables < 1331669114 37452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ {{{1}}} | name=abc | foo=bar }} < 1331669114 768999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ {{{1}}} | name=abc | foo=bar }} < 1331669115 697904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331669119 362753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then call it from other templates < 1331669125 131521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pass another template as an argument < 1331669128 776698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus producing a loop < 1331669129 504607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1331669133 520735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going with this? < 1331669140 307752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trying to generate the [[EsoInterpreters]] table < 1331669147 299975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's unmaintainable :P < 1331669168 949568 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you recommend any particular haskell implementation? should work in windows. < 1331669179 13297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: http://hackage.haskell.org/platform/ < 1331669184 488871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: I use GHC myself. < 1331669192 56258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes a windowsy REPL (like python console) < 1331669195 854722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WinGHCi) < 1331669205 811101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have sometimes wanted something that includes things of Haskell, Lisp, and Scheme. < 1331669213 447393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: http://learnyouahaskell.com/ is the best tutorial to learn Haskell with < 1331669215 475215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i use that < 1331669222 245325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth :) < 1331669241 912305 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331669268 939429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #haskell still recommendable? < 1331669278 541612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1331669280 422405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1331669293 591050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is the best place for haskell help :p < 1331669307 716849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's accurate < 1331669321 379278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i might as well give the standard advice to forget everything you know about programming, since haskell is so different to everything else < 1331669337 665729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's less of a problem for esolangers :P < 1331669340 331183 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. easily done < 1331669351 961382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: Here is one Haskell program in esolang wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF/Implementation < 1331669377 965262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i feel compelled to note that zzo38's haskell style is not considered idiomatic. < 1331669383 472807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: you should perhaps know that zzo38 has a rather d... right :P < 1331669408 748921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not 100% mine is, either, but at least i use layout < 1331669416 817885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes you are correct. But it does not necessarily have to be idiomatic to work. < 1331669443 218708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might also be nice to see how different from idiomatic you _can_ program < 1331669464 281895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do it the way which makes sense to me < 1331669467 540034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+sure < 1331669476 997336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I have a feeling this may need more template metaprogramming than mediawiki can support < 1331669502 306450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is usual < 1331669522 962297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix((0:).scanl(+)1) < 1331669524 614333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1331669634 882588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM(const[True,False])[1,2,3] -- and yet another haskell example < 1331669635 80304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How is your Haskell programming difference from whatever other style there is? < 1331669635 821280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[1,2],[1,3],[1],[2,3],[2],[3],[]] < 1331669670 622874 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does idiomatic even mean in programming? < 1331669692 953325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know, i'm just not assuming i'm entirely idiomatic. < 1331669704 319470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the compound word of "idiot" and "automatic". < 1331669736 981723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ehird/sandbox/data&action=edit < 1331669744 2605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VAST IMPROVEMENT < 1331669747 608346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that `flip` idiom i just started using in my BFQdeql might not be very widespread < 1331669752 953428 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i was thinking of idioms in normal languages < 1331669770 330610 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: no < 1331669772 516598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: it's pretty much the same as the natural language meaning < 1331669775 177187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1331669776 625269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of "idiomatic" < 1331669779 53034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not of "idiom" really < 1331669781 262915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh i haven't read that much other code < 1331669795 326996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: idiomatic is not a compound of idiot and automatic < 1331669795 749070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: i think zzo38 was joking. < 1331669811 323823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I was joking. < 1331669812 487514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: what me and oerjan were trying to say is that zzo38's programs are written and structured in a very different way than most people skilled in haskell would structure them. < 1331669839 509494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus reading them is unlikely to help a beginner learn the language :p < 1331669870 526756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that necessarily means they won't help anyone < 1331669875 158914 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see now < 1331669909 202170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think they're more useful to get a wider perspective once you've learned the basics < 1331669930 7890 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll deviate from the usual way myself once i learn the basics < 1331669952 751724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might take more than learning the basics to be able to productively deviate from the usual style in haskell < 1331669993 780376 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that remains to be seen. i have no idea what to expect. < 1331670018 482782 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm basically starting from zero < 1331670024 278692 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this kind of programming < 1331670027 443495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can learn the basics in any way you just do it in whatever way make most sensible for you. < 1331670478 782984 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331670679 682231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, can you convert [[EsoInterpreters]] to use a wikitable and ths? :P < 1331670698 671456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths? < 1331670709 900788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331670718 296638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1331670760 45832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean html table syntax? i'm not very familiar with it. < 1331670775 825895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant using ! headings for the language names < 1331670781 105265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie first row/col < 1331670784 963609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331670790 535422 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what might look good? some javascript thing where languages would be circles that move in circles and lines with an arrow tip would connect them, pointing which language is implemented in which < 1331670795 385377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that should be possible to achieve. < 1331670826 733554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmkr: you won't catch me implementing that any time soon :P < 1331670875 150731 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1331671023 326238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's already trying to use something called "wikitable plainlinks" < 1331671045 919331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plainlinks gets rid of the external link arrow on external links, right? < 1331671084 258329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh that was you. i was just about to remove the plainlinks part :P < 1331671120 778894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331671126 482097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1331671155 507674 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-205.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331671178 927736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331671233 459889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like that? < 1331671274 317132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. except you removed the right-alignment of the text < 1331671284 462442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331671285 500864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just needs s/align="right"/style="text-align: right"/g < 1331671292 881810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't, i just hit that bug again < 1331671316 988081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a bug < 1331671322 486898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1331671364 492111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok like that then < 1331671372 224131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331671389 731648 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331671391 842056 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331671397 184541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally i just c/p your s///g line < 1331671452 938142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shadwick < 1331671470 908667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok now my secret additional plan is to use some CSS or JS to get crosshair highlighting < 1331671477 907272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. rolling over a cell highlights the column and the row < 1331671539 326763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331671680 378137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am < 1331671683 734794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting this fortress < 1331671696 864421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also confirm/deny that your name in Hexhamese is Ell Iot the Third. < 1331671792 945157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1331671856 621910 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortress? < 1331671931 655473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eot the llI (best viewed in a font where l and I look much the same) < 1331671939 918897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: dwarf < 1331671974 729553 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok < 1331672113 267382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672170 146000 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672186 130778 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1331672208 376036 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331672237 79874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all the known diff algorithms seem to be O(n^2) worst case < 1331672244 67636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does diff not take ages in practice? < 1331672290 577611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because n is small < 1331672296 494932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're not worst-case < 1331672312 211700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst case seems pretty plausible in practice, though < 1331672324 224482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one small change near the start, one small change near the end, arbitrary changes elsewhere) < 1331672499 563748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do the tools actually guarantee optimal diffs, though? They could just be using windows of reasonable size. < 1331672555 309510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was wondering about that < 1331672555 669974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also is what i say was going to < 1331672560 76183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this algo doesn't seem to have a concept of a window < 1331672567 293473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, n is still small < 1331672586 736075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets diffutils source
< 1331672697 400206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If it's the dynamic-programming tabular thing, I think you can retrofit a window into it by restricting things on the "diagonal" (+ fiddling), though I haven't thought this through. < 1331672779 86844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The basic algorithm is described in "An O(ND) Difference Algorithm and its Variations", Eugene W. Myers, Algorithmica Vol. 1 No. 2, 1986, pp. 251-266; and in "A File Comparison Program", Webb Miller and Eugene W. Myers, Software--Practice and Experience Vol. 15 No. 11, 1985, pp. 1025-1040." Is that / are those the things you were referring to? < 1331672822 25057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was basing it on the dynamic programming algo in Wikipedia < 1331672850 538568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a quotation from the diffutils infopage. < 1331672874 771436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd need a good academic library to get copies of those < 1331672879 569432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access to one, but not right now < 1331672882 701349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1331672904 615306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xmailserver.org/diff2.pdf < 1331672970 87618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's ILLEGAL!!!! (Possibly.) < 1331673004 13836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it's O(ND) where D is the size of the edit script, which is small for reasonable files; and O(N+D^2) "random-case". < 1331673025 320574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh, I can almost certainly access it legally if I just wait until tomorrow < 1331673025 483020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's possible. It was the first google-hit for the paper title. < 1331673076 836506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.4.6927 has a PDF. < 1331673081 770643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is CiteSeerX illegal too? < 1331673118 985826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "download link" there is to xmailserver.org. < 1331673146 875693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it has a cached copy. < 1331673166 838874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird place for that document. < 1331673206 722212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a mail server could concievably make use of it, maybe, somehow, but still. < 1331673274 351160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, is self-BCT TC? < 1331673291 963496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1331673294 837779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331673460 24211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also to finish the quotation, "The algorithm was independently discovered as described in "Algorithms for Approximate String Matching", E. Ukkonen, Information and Control Vol. 64, 1985, pp. 100-118.". I think I've read that, or at least some string paper by Ukkonen. < 1331673466 773012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A Finnish name.) < 1331673483 732225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Finnish people are very smart.) < 1331673495 340856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (They're speech recognition researchers and whatnot.) < 1331673500 311474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: finnish names are reasonably recognizable; I know a few from following Formula 1 < 1331673554 240745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that last paper is available from the author's page at Helsinki University. < 1331673580 648905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Too bad they never reach the Finnish line. < 1331673601 999276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Scholar finds it; I'd paste a link but I can't quite figure out how to get the actual PDF with this phone. < 1331673620 470186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know that was a bad joke, but IIRC there have been Finnish Formula 1 world champions < 1331673623 821830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one, anyway < 1331673650 314248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think >1, though I don't really follow. < 1331673664 892871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I nowadays, although I used to < 1331673668 131470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not world champions, then at least relatively successful drivers. < 1331673696 843959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I do follow, of course. We Finns have to do everything we can to see the incredibly rare sight of a Finn winning at anything.) < 1331673705 920948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (But I can't let the foreigners know that.) < 1331673722 662452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen and Mika Salo are I think people who do things with cars. < 1331673761 210644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (MY FAVOURITES.) < 1331673818 735271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you, I don't know, shut up or something? < 1331673848 643230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, people never write the accents on their names in the UK < 1331673854 42447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on the official commentary thing < 1331673858 565238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it usual to omit them in Finland too? < 1331673862 651398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think your speech recognition software just malfunctioned. Did someone ask you a question after you said "Could you,"? < 1331673863 973264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno. < 1331673868 747693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer got included in your IRC line. < 1331673941 353242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I thought Keke Rosberg was a rally driver, but apparently he's a F1 world champion (the first Finnish) too. There's some sort of an idiotic "song" about him. < 1331673951 692984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kekekeke < 1331673962 61715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kekekekekekekeke Roosberi Roosberi" or so on. < 1331674045 137499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The Finnish national anthem.) < 1331674197 984824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're going to troll fizzie, at least make it vaguely good trolling < 1331674211 405311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is pretty good by Finnish standards!!! < 1331674242 744187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, that would be Mämmi < 1331674253 374092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away from fizzie
< 1331674363 330087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only assume fizzie left to invade norway. < 1331674422 748010 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331674441 18602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's crying, I think. < 1331674447 592795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331674550 449483 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331674679 334746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song, maybe: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Rosberg_formula_rock < 1331674714 601610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This song is about a family father, who bought a family car. < 1331674714 763728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dad bought the car, it's pretty tasteless." < 1331674714 763917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father may be influenced by Rosberg driving style, and he was shipped over to tear around the extensive family of traffic. < 1331674714 764028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The car is turbocharged, the driver is Urpo. Gas-presses, gas money is a loan, the family kuskaa, not realizing puskaa, where the bollard lurking ... » < 1331674715 105533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father's racing ends when he drives into the woods, as a result will have a wheelchair . < 1331674717 107849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :»... Father driving mettään not known kettään. Away from the father's concern, it is sufficient wheelchair ... » < 1331674720 115741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boy may later own a moped, and you drive the same style as his father. < 1331674794 422903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331674802 908772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in YouTube. < 1331674811 643486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These words ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE TO FINNS < 1331674823 186395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Matti Kalervo, "Peltsi" not set ( March 28, 1951 in Helsinki - July 13, 1995 Vasa ) was a well-known Finnish actress . He was able to make 50 the role of the film career and became known especially in Aki Kaurismäki's films as an actor standard." < 1331674829 131504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How many of your actresses are male? < 1331674852 772314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOp4z2MkCOo -- the description mentions a translation. < 1331674885 978194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the file you requested is not available. < 1331674886 176643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible reasons include: < 1331674886 176889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- File date limit has expired. < 1331674886 177020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- File was not successfully uploaded. < 1331674886 177131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please contact the uploader and ask them to upload the file again. sendspace is not able to help you in this matter. < 1331674891 934296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1331674940 749980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is catchy. < 1331674960 610093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The YT comments have some lyrics, but they're not much better than GT. < 1331674977 665950 :shadwick!80bd409b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.64.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331675026 327553 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the bork. < 1331675048 150583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you know that Memory Alpha's main page is [[Portal:Main]]? < 1331675050 664562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be so proud. < 1331675060 951719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1331675074 994127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: On the other hand, it's a Wikia. < 1331675095 489821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331675102 539630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: These other-language Wikipedias are so... depressing. < 1331675110 891346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The articles are so pitiful. < 1331675114 482919 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IDW Publishing has announced the release of a Next Generation/Doctor Who crossover comic, entitled Assimilation2." < 1331675115 958358 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha wtf < 1331675139 774621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google's corporate culture has been a slogan "Do not be evil" (Do not be evil), according to which it tends to keep terms with the users, rather than the formation of high-hated company. However, the slogan has occasionally been mentioned by others might be unduly: Google's own corporate presentation, it is the sixth list of ten principles and describes the company's mainly a way to offer ads, that is, to avoid irrelevant, pushy, or disguised ad < 1331675139 936772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s. source?" < 1331675147 308090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: FINALLY. < 1331675156 625857 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This sounds like the worst of all possible ideas X-D < 1331675176 752325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Next Generation here refers to the Star Trek series? < 1331675182 595158 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1331675182 822434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9692630/implementing-haskells-maybe-monad-in-c11 < 1331675191 748706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And therefore the best. < 1331675202 868702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds like the worst of all possible good ideas, to me < 1331675258 572347 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331675272 80624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, no, it doesn't, I just wanted to say that) < 1331675339 574780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahanxse for clarifdiyng < 1331675378 72944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That song. It is in my head now. < 1331675380 553311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse your Finnish revenge. < 1331675383 843048 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be the best of all possible abysmally bad ideas. < 1331675423 730546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like being the tallest dwarf. < 1331675513 535847 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the smartest Intelligent Design advocate. < 1331675579 350422 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if belief of Intelligent Design operating with evolution? < 1331675582 777955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had an Intelligent Design seminar at the university once, maybe six-seven years back. It was the weirdest thing. < 1331675599 425779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK then explain < 1331675608 131898 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf just happened < 1331675641 429612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the idea of the eye evolving is as ludicrous as an LP record that can be flipped around? < 1331675649 9518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1331675668 477724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was mostly weird metaphors like that. < 1331675693 591908 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some (not necessarily all) LP records can be flipped around. What is the point of metaphors like that? < 1331675745 89510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly an LP that can be flipped around couldn't possibly evolve, because what use would it be to have half a song on the other side? < 1331675772 875153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: hi < 1331675787 747184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of metaphors are to flip around, before they fall flat on the floor, butter side down. < 1331675788 197310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if it is too long to fit on one side of a single record. < 1331675790 789219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : But what if belief of Intelligent Design operating with evolution? < 1331675790 950964 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OH GOD HELP ME < 1331675793 896351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT IS GOING ON < 1331675794 743755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1331675801 869568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The two are incompatible by definition. "Intelligent Design" != "intelligent design". < 1331675809 643184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was organized by this http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Leisola dude. < 1331675811 963114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O, OK. < 1331675814 141357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g., intelligent design of the initial conditions of the universe and evolution are compatible) < 1331675824 445591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but Intelligent Design, the ideology, specifically contradicts evolution) < 1331675834 925145 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiology < 1331675845 434317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know what you mean once you mentioned the capitalization at once. < 1331675915 812400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the article mentions our thing. Seems it was in 2004. < 1331675954 459005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With e.g. Richard Sternberg lecturing. < 1331676024 351969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall there were some rather pointed questions from the audience, but not much was accomplished (oh no). < 1331676027 132569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time zone offset is PST? < 1331676030 947564 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331676066 16249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make sense of this Azure timezone bug < 1331676068 365625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the "Skepsis" organization gave Leisola the "Huuhaa" ("woo-woo") award. < 1331676078 721193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, UTC-8 < 1331676111 180788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they had another datetime bug? < 1331676113 785768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pacific or Philippines? Both use the same abbreviation. < 1331676120 15941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, the feb 29 one < 1331676126 400258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't say, but I'm guessing Pacific from context < 1331676152 863377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PST was featured prominently in that horrible "round to midnight" discussion #esoteric had. < 1331676163 156423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remind me. < 1331676188 32267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that one meaning of PST is +8 and one -8 and both are 0 (modulo 8) was also involved. < 1331676195 887748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1331676249 98141 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676350 216839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Speak of the. < 1331676352 674635 :kmkr!5d6af262@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.106.242.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331676401 416574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, to jump back a bit; Leisola is one of those "microevolution happens, but the real thing doesn't", and I think mostly because he's worked on biochemistry a lot, and it's been so difficult, and therefore it's "ridiculous" to think that evolution could manage to accomplish anything, when he himself hasn't. < 1331676427 247547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he thinks the Flood happened, and the Ark had one of each baramin, or whatever. < 1331676429 687177 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331676458 406970 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331676482 529217 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676511 772739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decided to generate a large DF world with history set to very long.
< 1331676514 101365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even given all that, apparently he still has managed to do quite a lot of good chemistry. < 1331676527 911049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's chugging along at 1 year every second or so. < 1331676541 306077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dude, what happened to THE FORTRESS YOU WERE BUILDING? < 1331676610 745424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had my doubts about the embark site wait it's past ten oh no what < 1331676633 371382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK I'll come clean. < 1331676636 958140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331676682 291485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cavern layer in the wrong place could easily devastate the fortress' design; I stupidly used reveal, and wasn't able to resist the temptation to probe the entire map into boringness. < 1331676723 811720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Remember when you were all "ME, CHEAT? PFFFT NO YOU'RE PARANOID"? < 1331676749 206701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, I know better now. < 1331676770 103099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used reveal on a running fort, and I've cut back on use of prospect almost entirely. < 1331676777 465544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vdig is too useful to go without, though. < 1331676973 530857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and anyway, your opposition to me cheating extended to outlawing turning the temperature simulation off, even though it was the only thing keeping large forts playable for me. < 1331677018 423710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ":'(" -- phantom hoover < 1331677025 977507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331677034 731928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you're good at proving things sub-TC, right? < 1331677035 498984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331677051 788082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Phat nom" Hoover. < 1331677058 273300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: moderately good < 1331677061 349020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excellent < 1331677068 617604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although don't mention something like Dupdog or Xigxag, I don't have a clue with those < 1331677081 44651 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands elliott a bagel with cream cheese.
< 1331677084 138062 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove this non-TC. < 1331677133 285441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I want to design a language like self-BCT or Clue (Keymaker), except even simpler < 1331677159 852317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I hate TC proofs for those sorts of languages < 1331677172 290152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked for a sub-TC proof! < 1331677205 682167 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands ais523 an onion bagel with sour cream and caramel sauce.
< 1331677208 814104 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove this non-TC. < 1331677237 701183 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION >_> <_<
< 1331677244 773746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as any computation must remove a layer of the onion, it eventually terminates. Q.E.D. < 1331677253 295964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the reverse :) < 1331677268 110966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagels, are we talking about bagels now? < 1331677269 779543 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today we learn that oerjan doesn't know what a bagel is. < 1331677273 559472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagels bagels bagels < 1331677310 288465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the thing I don't like about self-BCT is that it has an IP < 1331677318 470689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate to the notion of a leftmost bit < 1331677327 401222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto for Clue (Keymaker) < 1331677667 331672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait, hmm < 1331677673 54657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does self-BCT have a separate IP? < 1331677674 360002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell < 1331677678 815037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331677705 330061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty clear from the trace example < 1331677731 196042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331677785 138170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1331677800 430825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x -> x0 < 1331677800 592730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x -> xx1 < 1331677800 592930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x -> x1 < 1331677805 59240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP TC OR NOT TC < 1331677811 627940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows how to get oerjan to do things.
< 1331677842 761695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm this is a rewriting system of sorts? and x is any string? < 1331677899 494286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331677901 176195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every step, it examines the first bits according to the above pattern, and does the appropriate replacement, then starts again < 1331677902 348330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is any bit < 1331677912 515993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-108.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331677919 459108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so just one bit < 1331677938 748917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that makes it clearly a pushdown automaton. < 1331677951 39842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. 0110 -> 1010 -> 1110 -> 110 -> 01 -> 10 -> 111 < 1331677958 829177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 11 < 1331677966 510365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cyclic) < 1331677988 511886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, -> 1 i think < 1331677991 472279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing, anyway < 1331678001 55949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even if it's cyclic? < 1331678027 648153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's sent to the end? < 1331678041 214111 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331678041 376357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm not sure what you mean by sent to the end < 1331678056 226901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pattern-matching process reaches the end of the string, it wraps around, so to speak < 1331678059 860822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are not saying where the _rest_ of the string ends up < 1331678065 865470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it says the same. < 1331678070 280833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> x0* < 1331678071 968938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x -> xx1* < 1331678074 288814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331678076 272134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678077 849018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x1* < 1331678082 74700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where * is all the rest of the bits < 1331678100 443497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the pattern is always the leftmost bits? then it's a pushdown automaton. < 1331678124 293472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't, then you still have a separate ip like self-bct < 1331678130 484609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... right < 1331678136 937704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRST ATTEMPT: FAILED < 1331678140 251330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331678155 87802 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331678197 951088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is it actually possible for admins to see deleted revisions of images? < 1331678214 648657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure; it used not to be, but that mat have changed < 1331678294 276234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for admins to see deleted people? < 1331678311 659464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE DELETED PEOPLE < 1331678314 638257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, i think what i want is impossible < 1331678332 547180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the thing i didn't like about self-bct/keymaker-clue was that they had "non-local" modifications < 1331678348 731961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i was thinking if you do 0x* -> *x0 instead... < 1331678349 634847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker-clue adds things to the "beginning of the string", away from the IP < 1331678357 592672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-BCT deletes the left of the string < 1331678364 859371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a possibly-TC language where everything was "local" to the IP < 1331678384 220653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that could work. and /arguably/ doesn't violate my local requirement... < 1331678386 388802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, yes it does < 1331678393 791565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to deleting the first few chars and appending to the end of the program < 1331678394 951396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you consider it a cycle, then doing things both at the beginning and end is still local < 1331678403 853035 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331678408 640739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1331678446 358825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afair tag systems with a fixed program are like that, so _some_ set of rules for this will be tc. < 1331678455 496635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678455 658951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678455 659181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x1* < 1331678457 306905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this, then < 1331678490 418806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1331678503 940131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110 -> 1010 < 1331678512 627959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 1110 < 1331678592 941732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 110 < 1331678604 141778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 01 < 1331678620 331285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 10 -> 01 -> ... < 1331678626 454841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the huh for, btw? < 1331678723 261804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm i think this doesn't work because the number of 0s is always <= < 1331678731 537206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead < 1331678732 94300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678732 256394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> xx1* < 1331678732 256570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x0* < 1331678740 146175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but then the same applies to 1s :P < 1331678753 650095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it doesn't < 1331678758 580193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it didn't apply to the original either < 1331678759 653935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my huh was because most of your rules still do things only at the beginning. i wasn't thinking like that. < 1331678785 547280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 100 -> 001 -> 100 -> 001 -> ... < 1331678787 888685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the original rules) < 1331678794 899824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. < 1331678843 984927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original never increases no. of 0's < 1331678877 82967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x* -> *x0 < 1331678877 244928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10x* -> xx1* < 1331678877 245117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11x* -> x1* < 1331678880 844965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i meant by original < 1331678884 406956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll start actually versoning them < 1331678892 688529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes so did i < 1331678900 852424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331678904 205800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 doesn't increase number of 0s < 1331678906 221945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it eats an 0 too < 1331678916 182104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's call this v0: < 1331678916 573603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x0 < 1331678916 735369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x* -> x*x1 < 1331678916 735564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11x* -> x0* < 1331678938 38781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 -> 001 -> 100 -> 001 -> ... again < 1331678956 382741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1100 -> 000 -> 000 < 1331679011 470503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention _none_ of your suggestions increase the length of the string. < 1331679029 985769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm 10x* -> x*x1 does. < 1331679039 348224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1331679271 990177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331679275 903424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, i'm an idiot. < 1331679347 617447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let me try this again :P < 1331679364 808454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x* -> *x < 1331679364 970466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x* -> xx*1 < 1331679364 970673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, broken < 1331679368 32558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all seems a little random. < 1331679370 993452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never decreases # of 1s < 1331679380 648990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes :( < 1331679389 113302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to simplify it there. < 1331679495 929070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um 11* -> 11*1 does increase < 1331679508 503009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you said decrease < 1331679530 446254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not _necessarily fatal, see sqeql < 1331679533 247767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+_ < 1331679543 803989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331679588 379645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101 -> [1|1]01 -> 11011 -> [1|1]011 -> 110111 -> ok this one is obvious < 1331679739 378783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :011 -> [0|1]1 -> 11 -> [1|1] -> 111 < 1331679750 58490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> [1|1]1 -> 1111 < 1331679758 435010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> [1|1]11 -> 11111 -> obvious < 1331679775 186657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they all just start spamming 1s eventually < 1331679853 792770 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331679892 926685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 - 001 - 10 - ... < 1331679923 141677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's terribly interesting, but it doesn't spam 1s. < 1331679990 306683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, "anything with more than a negligble amount of 1s starts spamming 1s eventually". < 1331680050 880750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :101010 - 0010101 - 101010 - ... and that can have an arbitrary amount of 1s. :p < 1331680092 155070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you'd do that. < 1331680107 547924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're like speech recognition software. < 1331680110 538085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unforgiving and stupid. :( < 1331680255 783455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is what they call a "burn". < 1331680291 264649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10100 - 001001 - 10010 - 000101 - 01010 - 0101 - 010 - 01 - 1 - don't know where to go from there. < 1331680566 660666 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recognize all patterns that won't halt? < 1331680595 195137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they always repeating? < 1331680699 17062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's cycli. < 1331680712 585671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 falls under the 1x* rule, with x=1. < 1331680723 945618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turning into 111. < 1331680875 373289 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I compile a C++ program with -g, what's a simple way to match instructions to source code lines? < 1331680896 233001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb < 1331680904 919583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you said simple. < 1331680945 165999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll your own DWARF reader < 1331681068 388884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask the assembler to make a listing for you, with source lines as comments. < 1331681115 610736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask rms. < 1331681182 140965 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask rjs. < 1331681187 62946 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION zooooom!
< 1331681195 26467 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I wasn't compiling with -g. < 1331681212 588234 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Enjoy an hour and a half of recompiling to get that option in place. < 1331681268 987110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: This is one file. < 1331681274 800201 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a few hundred lines. < 1331681297 759994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still! It's a minute per line! < 1331681300 101774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1331681301 85227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331681305 570965 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are comments. < 1331681315 541126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so. < 1331681346 815062 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not most. < 1331681467 272120 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why is lea 0x1(%rdx),%r8d taking 90% of the program's CPU time? < 1331681489 281492 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense. Maybe it's the line right before. < 1331681495 201710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You increment a lot, maybe. < 1331681606 604241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sir incsalot < 1331681656 163298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per-instruction timings, are, like, so *fancy*. (--Mr. just-instruments-functions-with-gprof.) < 1331681786 289952 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I had functions. :-( < 1331681793 871808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speaking of nothing at all (but web'o'flies ~~ strace), I heard resize2fs breaks down if you try to run it under strace. < 1331681810 665096 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY, STRACE < 1331681822 121123 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran gdb under strace yesterday. < 1331681838 996820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran strace under gdb under strace yesterday. < 1331681843 340550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta try debugging gdb with gdb one time < 1331681890 179850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, *some time < 1331681905 693532 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out how gdb implements "call" < 1331681923 446474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how it does print, but without the printing part < 1331681953 232408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that call *does* print the result. < 1331681966 312531 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fine. I was trying to figure out how gdb implements "print". < 1331681974 560445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :call prints too? < 1331681991 351080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thing called SystemTap which is, like, the fanciest thing since sliced bread when it comes to tracing, http://sourceware.org/systemtap/tutorial/Tracing.html < 1331681996 255283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe call just has the option not to print, so that it can handle functions without return values < 1331682005 756185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: weird; why would an ext2 resizer break under strace? < 1331682022 368004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing I can think of is that it has timing-sensitive critical sections, or something < 1331682038 333521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it should be impossible to ptrace a process at realtime priority < 1331682077 259065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Reads from disk normally are never short except in the case of disk < 1331682077 460158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors. strace causes this not to be true, but I don't intend to "fix" < 1331682077 460360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. < 1331682080 97528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1331682103 678863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writes Ted Ts'o, and closes the bug as wontfix. < 1331682119 727154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why strace would cause short reads < 1331682132 293903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: re SystemTap: Pah, it should just . < 1331682156 871663 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331682162 411464 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-108.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331682166 664222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that won't fit into 510 characters when we run the rewrite script! < 1331682166 891265 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331682193 712156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: the @ log rewrite script necessarily has to be AI-complete, given the job we're trying to get it to do; it has to delete this line, for instance) < 1331682218 376108 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331682219 759589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's how the world ends. < 1331682242 553217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the rewrite script deciding that it has to delete all of humanity < 1331682268 735220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, no < 1331682278 136694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is not the rewrite script's problem if you said nonsense in 2012. < 1331682299 528737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't it have to hide the fact it existed? < 1331682312 849301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331682355 337129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was in the context of attaching strace to a running process; maybe that could interrupt a read? < 1331682516 465862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's read from an actual disk is something that can normally be interrupted, but maybe ptrace's special. < 1331682528 691429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/a/ < 1331682552 478652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your speech recognition software can read regexps? < 1331682724 55471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Semi-protected for a period of 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times. After 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times the page will be automatically unprotected." < 1331682727 154092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--WP < 1331683014 105753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck times -> seconds < 1331683025 934951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "Planck". \ Warning: undefined symbol "times". \ Warning: undefined symbol "Planck". \ Warning: undefined symbol "times". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Planck (undefined symbol) times (undefined symbol) -> 1 s (time) < 1331683049 706383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1331683069 673565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planck time < 1331683080 728454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "time". \ 1 m^2 s^-1 kg (angular_momentum) time (undefined symbol) < 1331683102 226370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planck < 1331683112 574036 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 m^2 s^-1 kg (angular_momentum) < 1331683152 612989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an official unit? < 1331683159 675471 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331683286 662899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 7 days. (W|A.) < 1331683296 465350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331683332 577601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(604800 seconds.) < 1331683522 223541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wikipedia used a stock timespan parser from somewhere, which has a bunch of joke features < 1331683537 432345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day W|A threw me an interstitial-style pop-up-and-darken-the-rest-of-the-page ad about something or other, plus a "switch to W|A Pro to get rid of annoying ads" text. < 1331683594 929595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "modal dialog ad" is a more apt description. < 1331683614 87145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that sounds like an advertisement for modal dialogs. < 1331683647 593959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get your modal dialogs here! App-modal, system-modal, we've got them all!" < 1331683830 249866 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.158 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331684229 809819 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 plancktime -> "seconds" < 1331684240 287272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :604819.95790859072818 seconds < 1331684252 443136 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thar < 1331684265 247272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 11218573000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 plancktime -> "weeks" < 1331684269 214713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the quotes at the end? < 1331684275 2834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0000329991874846696 weeks < 1331684286 833697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 week -> "plancktime" < 1331684296 787318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1218202808422283826e+49 plancktime < 1331684298 76495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quotes tell frink to just display the unit at the end... < 1331684303 148732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink ` week -> plancktime < 1331684305 950934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare. < 1331684311 68766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bleh. < 1331684311 970420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 week -> plancktime < 1331684314 894116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character '`' in line 1, column 0... ignoring. \ 1.1218202808422283826e+49 < 1331684323 922398 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1218202808422283826e+49 < 1331684331 722225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, changes whether the unit's displayed < 1331684333 185402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1331684342 219492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's how frink works. < 1331684372 611796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy pi day! < 1331684400 261732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that US units are really mad.
< 1331684409 649223 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 6 feet -> "survey feet" < 1331684420 85948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1499997/250000 (exactly 5.999988) survey feet < 1331684439 251617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's right, multiple notions of the foot. < 1331684443 118978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes tau day is his birthday, feels conflicted
< 1331684514 653046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 30 miles per gallon -> rods per hogshead < 1331684525 548009 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ 1999996/13125 (approx. 152.3806476190476) < 1331684529 934186 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331684531 187651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1331684541 280382 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 30 miles/gallon -> rods/hogshead < 1331684550 212353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :377999244/625 (exactly 604798.7904) < 1331684555 787655 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 planck length -> lightcenturies < 1331684564 378552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "length". \ Unknown symbol "lightcenturies" \ Warning: undefined symbol "length". \ Warning: undefined symbol "lightcenturies". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 1 m^2 s^-1 kg (angular_momentum) length (undefined symbol) -> lightcenturies (undefined symbol) < 1331684565 170563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plancklength < 1331684568 800797 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331684573 302660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're multiplying planck by length < 1331684576 1231 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or l_P < 1331684578 389222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1331684581 293611 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 plancklength -> lightyears < 1331684591 244046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.7083801957597206401e-51 < 1331684649 82642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan suddenly realizes tau day is his birthday, feels conflicted < 1331684650 816431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1331684655 26703 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 year -> planktimes < 1331684664 924829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown symbol "planktimes" \ Warning: undefined symbol "planktimes". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 3.1556925974678400e+7 s (time) -> planktimes (undefined symbol) < 1331684669 918361 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: ( < 1331684712 351125 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'frink 1 year -> planktime < 1331684714 521091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planktime = 10 years; 1 year -> "planktime" < 1331684719 471780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331684720 433577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink planktime = 10 years; 1 year -> "planktimes" < 1331684725 404103 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.099999999999999999999 planktime < 1331684725 566124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was trying to show off the automatic pluralisation < 1331684730 510149 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown symbol "planktimes" \ Warning: undefined symbol "planktimes". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 3.1556925974678400e+7 s (time) -> planktimes < 1331684734 576291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1331684735 959542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed horribly < 1331684744 349529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while, as they say < 1331684758 974169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a plank < 1331684771 617610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331684784 975656 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light must have gotten a lot slower for the plank time to be that long. < 1331684810 665101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 gausss < 1331684820 602948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/10000 (exactly 1.0e-4) s^-2 kg A^-1 (magnetic_flux_density) < 1331684820 765067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Have you *seen* a plank? < 1331684822 203128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They hardly move. < 1331684840 563828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Gausssssssssnake. < 1331684925 323805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Frink uses base units. < 1331684958 691519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by dose is ruddig :( < 1331684970 526220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 30 miles per gallon -> "m^-2" < 1331684981 103833 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Warning: undefined symbol "per". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 17847743385087/97656250000 (approx. 182.76089226329088) m^4 (unknown unit type) per (undefined symbol) -> m^-2 < 1331684986 423940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1331684989 370170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 30 miles/gallon -> "m^-2" < 1331684998 881837 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1440000000000/112903 (approx. 1.275431122290816e7) m^-2 < 1331685006 372116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaay. < 1331685030 865368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcanesentiment has had no posts for over 6 months :( < 1331685060 988978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying VHDL feature: it doesn't allow __ in a variable name, compilers enforce this < 1331685072 626234 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331685081 606693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sane reason is there to ban __ inside variable names? so that it can safely be used as a separator in name mangling rather than using length prefixes? < 1331685088 362079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :__internal_use_names < 1331685098 502099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: normally you ban a prefix for that < 1331685104 284063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something that can be put anywhere inside the name < 1331685116 195230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, my Verity compiler uses leading 0 on internal use names, as names can't normally start with a digit) < 1331685268 7950 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331685274 265170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this ain't C. < 1331685315 512235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you need internal names? < 1331685335 347738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stuff generated by desugaring, mostly < 1331685349 713036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that means you're doing it wrong :( < 1331685351 22003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, one of the keywords ("export") works by generating a variable behind the scenes ("00export") < 1331685355 553372 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331685363 485313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the resulting variables have to be called something in the VHDL code! < 1331685372 899168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, Tektur creates [[graph]] the day after I considered doing so < 1331685378 13244 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess it is C. :P < 1331685378 860282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only my article would have made sense < 1331685454 124288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we try to let the user's variable names get all the way through into the generated code < 1331685463 852032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly this is so that the linker works, partly it's to make things easier to debug < 1331685534 948601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't disagree with that < 1331685554 565913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this means that when extra variables are added, they need names too < 1331685597 119206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that you're adding extra variables < 1331685728 153336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is variables in the functional programming sense < 1331685756 124779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's a problem for you: suppose you have the following code: f(x;x); f(x||x) < 1331685763 121790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I don't mean that < 1331685770 120209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(\x.x;x); f(\x.x||x) < 1331685779 992756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the two arguments to f don't have compatible signatures < 1331685780 154566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/variables/names/ then < 1331685796 452921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you have it backwards; a "name" is kind-of like a pointer or a reference < 1331685805 315717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking in verityspeak < 1331685818 742468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science has a whole load of widely-defined terms < 1331685822 951121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just redefine them at random! < 1331685829 861327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"name" in Algol-like languages is like a reference < 1331685832 998216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1331685834 474606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1331685859 991808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this needs to be desugared into f(\x1.\x2.x1;x1); f(\x1.\x2.x1||x2) < 1331685871 707267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first throws away x2) < 1331685888 28501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, replace < 1331685889 844956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type VarName = String < 1331685890 315140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1331685905 942821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data VarName = VarName String Integer < 1331685911 125957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is the number (1,2,etc.) < 1331685915 96696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now, suppose I do f(\x.x;x); f(\x.x||x); f(g) < 1331685920 350792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and g has the same type as \x.x;x < 1331685937 377200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, in that case I can change g to \j.g or whatever < 1331685956 594495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, still works, I need to invent a fresh name for the lambda that's put around g < 1331685961 239341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your terminology < 1331685975 241422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your real problem is that you have a desugaring step that goes from language L to language L. < 1331685975 738061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I get f(\x1.\x2.x1;x1); f(\x1.\x2.x1||x2); f(\j.g) < 1331685994 571169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a step from L to L', where L' is more suited to this purpose in a way that includes not having to make up names and wrap things in lambdas. < 1331685995 146385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it goes from one language to a slightly different one < 1331686007 137587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you're not exploiting the opportunity to make them different enough. < 1331686024 575361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, the \j.g /goes through to the final hardware/ < 1331686030 887742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can identify the individual wires that make up j < 1331686036 786217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they need names < 1331686052 8209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1331686058 814630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they need names in the VHDL code < 1331686058 978406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could represent it as a nameless graph structure or the like < 1331686074 294893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL doesn't let you have wires that don't have names < 1331686074 456943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I would never write a source code transformation on something with explicit string variable names < 1331686080 481751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the backend's problem < 1331686088 965396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wrote the backend too! < 1331686102 158364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I should generate the arbitrary names, which are different from all existing names, in the backend rather than frontend? < 1331686110 596703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that would modify the problem at all < 1331686119 18597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should eliminate names entirely, tbh < 1331686142 242835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I wouldn't have them the same in the final VHDL program as the original user's prorgam < 1331686143 692369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1331686156 998361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mangled, there's an s/_/0_0/g and a suffix to preserve case-sensitivity) < 1331686159 244899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't necessarily care, but you can easily fix that < 1331686172 54206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have some graph nodes labelled and others not, or the like < 1331686212 185364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you also have to allow for the problem that such graphs aren't easily represented with ADTs < 1331686219 367557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most common way to do so is /to give the nodes arbitrary names/ < 1331686223 973408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're not even gaining anything < 1331686237 277579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's an implementation detail of the graph library < 1331686249 855196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I'm more likely to use a de bruijn form than a graph < 1331686279 766295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must stop asking you for advice :) < 1331686285 56936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your own Verity compiler/interp getting on? < 1331686308 576020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't coded more than one thing in weeks < 1331686320 727800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that seems /really/ out of character for you < 1331686332 527993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't mean I've coded that thing throughout those weeks < 1331686336 471500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I've only written one thing in weeks < 1331686345 182601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way < 1331686433 439488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems with school, or something like that? < 1331686443 673561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I've just had nothing to code :( < 1331686470 168080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a Verity compiler? ;) < 1331686479 236857 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331686482 13396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you wanted to write one with a less insane license < 1331686488 139803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page < 1331686491 610257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you presumably wouldn't be targeting hardware, so no need for SCC transforms, etc < 1331686505 350864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should tell em we're planning on doing a featured languages thing even though it's not quite what e's talking about... < 1331686523 554255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; also, we've already settled on such a list, haven't we? < 1331686531 2703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so < 1331686532 93002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF, Befunge, INTERCAL, Unlambda, Underload < 1331686535 594807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I miss one? < 1331686536 489564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1331686542 564091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the most interesting possible" < 1331686550 957943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for befunge, unlambda, underload, ///, BCT or something < 1331686563 533603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF and INTERCAL aren't really astonishingly interesting < 1331686568 689538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hm < 1331686578 777931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd really want to show off all corners of esolang design < 1331686584 703082 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge? < 1331686589 505883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some missing genres there, e.g. we'd want a thematic language < 1331686591 550917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: good point < 1331686594 574232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably a /good/ one < 1331686600 567649 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331686603 865744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare or Chef or Haifu or something like that < 1331686620 617361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331686626 896337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have a page with "exceptional examples of esolang design" for esolang-designers-to-be < 1331686631 174608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it would even dissuade BF derivatives < 1331686643 298061 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead we'd get Befunge derivatives! < 1331686644 796151 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! < 1331686681 841813 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also proffer Kipple and some OISC. < 1331686695 563795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is not a language that takes well to derivatices < 1331686698 9147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*derivatives < 1331686702 735369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be an OISC there, indeed < 1331686703 715298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck, befunge, intercal, unlambda, underload, ///, bct, malbolge, shakespeare|chef|haifu, kipple, subleq? < 1331686710 11791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 11 < 1331686721 225702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose BCT isn't all that vital to a newcomer < 1331686730 280722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's much closer to a CA than an esolang < 1331686734 925741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a corner of esolangs with several examples that I don't think has a name, but it stores all its data in a queue or stack or something like that, and is reasonably imperative < 1331686738 942730 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say BCT isn't an esolang, although it's a "language" of esointerest. < 1331686744 720360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fractran? < 1331686758 890564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran wasn't even designed as an esolang < 1331686770 470600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, there's a corner of esolangs with several examples that I don't think has a name, but it stores all its data in a queue or stack or something like that, and is reasonably imperative < 1331686772 168741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE-likes? < 1331686775 705484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but there was an equivalent language that was < 1331686783 811426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bag < 1331686784 611104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FALSE is a little atypical of it < 1331686793 433435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of Sceql < 1331686796 674398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331686805 771628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there more examples than {Qdeql, Sceql}? < 1331686809 172028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FALSE is in there, but is an outlier) < 1331686822 884732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, but now I'm having problems thinking of them < 1331686824 359471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the wiki! < 1331686852 534200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably half of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Stack-based < 1331686883 552959 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Piet worth consideration? It's really only interesting in its encoding, but still .. < 1331686885 324196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet counts < 1331686899 516729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses an unusual source code form, but computationally it's just like that < 1331686909 405310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is talking about for this hypothetical page < 1331686925 524820 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331686930 677099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, it was a timing coincidence < 1331686935 177991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see his comment while I was writing mine < 1331686938 701773 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Schrodilang. < 1331686986 955838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's amazing < 1331687010 383427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: r u srs < 1331687014 634255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No X-D < 1331687024 656718 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not proffer any of my own languages in seriousness X-D < 1331687053 182920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you made that < 1331687396 390109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331687431 404868 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331687482 226496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember that one-dimensional MMO we were discussing ages ago? < 1331687486 59121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog one-dimensional MMO < 1331687507 306204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331687510 443475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go on < 1331687518 643204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331688457 335261 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly best dimensionality for an MMO. < 1331688468 394385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: goooon < 1331688470 265037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1331688474 801579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g oooooon < 1331688476 785272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goooooooo n < 1331688495 132241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't remember many of the details either < 1331688497 360007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked < 1331688508 553894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it was going to give some kind of main advantage for being online constantly < 1331688530 709010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mechanic involving swapping with someone, and you could cancel a swap that someone was trying to do to you manually within 5 minutes or so < 1331688948 495103 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANGIT < 1331688960 933669 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at HPMOR on TV Tropes, and uncovering spoilers < 1331688967 613532 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncovered a spoiler for the new chapter. < 1331689310 414945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's that hard to read, it's only longer than the goddamned Yudkowsky sequences. :P < 1331689359 83325 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331689490 345511 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I have previously read HPMOR < 1331689497 394360 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember much of it though. < 1331689701 233134 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ty < 1331689763 708755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what < 1331690008 268916 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you < 1331690083 250637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331690161 450685 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy UPDATE < 1331690207 771522 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dankes. < 1331690308 962155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: thanks for thanking me < 1331690327 770834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1331690335 238883 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for your comment on the typo on reddit < 1331690370 100257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1331690380 138521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was your program? I don't have everyone here's reddit usernames memorized < 1331690387 216592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're welcome < 1331690410 328492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I'm not sure if a recursive function with no recursive call is even legal in Verity < 1331690411 807218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1331690412 230583 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed. me = psygnisfive < 1331690449 714727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./gosc -S /tmp/t.ia < 1331690451 31327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/t.ia: recursion in input program cannot be converted: recursive argument f not used in fix(\f.c_skip$0) [line 1 character 0 - line 1 character 11] < 1331690458 177336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it isn't < 1331690572 168202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1331690614 624058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, the error message for something like "fix \f.\x.{f(f(x))}" is much worse, as the compiler can't figure out exactly where the error happens, just that it happens < 1331690632 326745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I must write an article about Verity programming some day; the semantics are almost eso in some places, e.g. that line isn't obviously wrong) < 1331690647 630620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: link to verity's site? < 1331690666 635979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veritygos.org/ < 1331690672 752620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in Firefox, at least to me, is an infinite redirect loop < 1331690693 404290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Epiphany, so it's not a result of refusing cookies < 1331690695 839783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's impressive < 1331690697 50522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, can you be less helpful now? < 1331690703 858663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could link me to a gopher URI, say < 1331690722 378930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl -I http://www.veritygos.org/ < 1331690722 540889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently < 1331690722 541094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cache-Control: private < 1331690722 541196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Length: 0 < 1331690722 541294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Location: http://www.veritygos.org < 1331690725 694973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old name, https://sites.google.com/site/thegeometryofsynthesis/ is still working < 1331690731 607385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs firing < 1331690751 77889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried to convince the lawyers to let you license it under something more reasonable any more? < 1331690768 691667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That link is currently a redirect to itself. < 1331690779 801676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, because my boss agrees with them, and he's not worth arguing with < 1331690787 218197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the license is reasonable, for what it's intended for < 1331690813 70049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it makes quite a statement < 1331690817 126483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the website version of a fixed point < 1331690848 432568 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BART has an official unofficial map: http://www.bart.gov/schedules/developers/maps.aspx < 1331690916 831838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1331690919 38774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said verity's syntax is documented; where is that? < 1331690922 821898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what license are the libraries under? < 1331690927 542015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a file grammar.txt inside the documentation < 1331690931 346317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and permissive, it's all in the EULA < 1331690975 630629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the EULA, much less agreed to it < 1331690976 280615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(e) Directory Examples can be used, copied, reproduced and distributed without restriction." < 1331690986 687618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I didn't agree to that, so I guess I can't < 1331691009 697906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they forgot "modified" < 1331691018 799548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot? < 1331691021 880329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure it was intentional < 1331691024 524489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1331691074 211579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many library files are there? < 1331691109 793505 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-11.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331691143 323492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find lib -name '*.vhd' | wc -l \ 5 \ $ find lib -name '*.v' | wc -l \ 2 \ $ find include -name '*.ia' | wc -l \ 4 < 1331691151 802522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your definition < 1331691159 517542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're planning to write more < 1331691171 81752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe support .ml libraries for the interpreter < 1331691188 357651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that annoys me; OCaml's compiler is not available via the OCaml libraries < 1331691197 439179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in OCaml, there's no reason it /shouldn't/ be < 1331691198 980395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition is "how much I have to rewrite" < 1331691206 182419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I convince you to not write any more so I don't have to rewrite them? < 1331691226 236248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't convince me not to do my job :) < 1331691233 989930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm not sure how many more or less my job will require me to write < 1331691256 371087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however however, some of them are platform-specific to platforms you probably don't own, and some are very simple < 1331691284 704097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing not described in the distribution is the VHDL/Verilog API, which is important for writing libraries in languages other than Verity < 1331691292 366032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is described in our papers, though < 1331691294 56419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's nothing stopping a Verity implementation doing sharing, right? < 1331691299 594526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the naming schemes < 1331691301 255898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, it's impure < 1331691303 230876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is < 1331691310 939408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sharing" = what, in this context? < 1331691317 206831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call-by-need < 1331691354 135905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, let f = \x.x;x in new x:=2 in f(x := !x + 1); print(x) < 1331691376 837981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whitespace is irrelevant except for separating alphanumeric tokens, as you probably guessed already) < 1331691378 694899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what license does grammar.txt have? < 1331691418 660549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, huh < 1331691421 714301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the license defines Documentation < 1331691426 546228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are no license terms relating to it < 1331691439 889828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1331691445 89162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that means that its license is all rights reserved, by default < 1331691449 703059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not a lawyer so don't know for certain < 1331691475 110190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can implement Verity without agreeing to terms I find unacceptable, then, unless you retranscribe the grammar for me < 1331691510 771608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you read the grammar off a website, would that be unacceptable? < 1331691531 343592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that (despite what Oracle are claiming in court), implementing an API is not a derivative work of that API < 1331691540 710655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fine, assuming that I don't have to agree to an EULA < 1331691563 265345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not worried about creating a derivative work; I just don't want to agree to the EULA, and am not convinced a court would accept my argument that I didn't when downloading my copy of gosc.tgz < 1331691571 421654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By installing, downloading, and/or using the Software, You agree to the terms and conditions of this Agreement." < 1331691583 979309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, Software apparently includes Documentation < 1331691591 262304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean anything < 1331691594 503962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, I see < 1331691596 217504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who comes up with these definitions? < 1331691618 744240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that reading a grammar definition on a website can cause me to agree to an EULA < 1331691638 698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, the license terms apply to the Software as a whole, including the documentation < 1331691656 4569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps I can persuade them to put the grammar on the website, then < 1331691672 232543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction: they'll put it behind an EULA < 1331691676 471574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1331691683 305409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't put the quick-start guide behind a EULA < 1331691696 830618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, why can't you just explain the grammar to me on IRC? any grammar more than 500 chars isn't worth using :) < 1331691716 842672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's behind a download link, though, for reasons I don't understand; but it's a Markdown file with a .txt extension, because I passed it off to them as plain text) < 1331691797 864418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331691805 294314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator precedence is a pain to describe over IRC < 1331691816 757225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to notation that would simplify describing it being used in the language itself < 1331691826 977731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll just explain in operator precedence order < 1331691833 66587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting at the loosest < 1331691878 966599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate operator precedence < 1331691905 876327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, loosest is lambda (\a.b), scoped binding (let a = b in c, which is sugar for (\a.c)(b)), fixedpoint (fix \a.b); fixedpoint has the same semantics as fix in haskell, except it must take a literal lambda as its argument < 1331691922 787757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although those are all equal, I don't think there's any possible circumstance in which it would matter anyway < 1331691936 607134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next is pair formation (a,b) < 1331691939 128434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "Adding two numbers is O(log n)" I thought arithmetic was generally taken to be O(1) < 1331691943 806937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by me! < 1331691950 348150 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The category of programming languages, where arrows are compilers. Discuss. < 1331691965 699197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: seems pretty categorical to me < 1331691974 320105 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1331691997 981538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that is the creation of memory cells, "new a in b", which causes a to be a memory location throughout b (and then cease to exist again) < 1331692009 816573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, "a" is a little vague there < 1331692014 96471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see foo(128) in trees.ia < 1331692014 496606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an identifier < 1331692019 673347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(128) is an identifier? < 1331692020 592483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's array creation < 1331692024 95719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331692031 250705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something else that we haven't added to our grammar documentation < 1331692041 545098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's helpful. < 1331692048 503877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and specifically, serial array creation (an array where you can only access one element at a time) < 1331692057 756503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, whether things can happen simultaneously or not is critical to understanding Verity < 1331692063 977279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, does that not apply to all arrays? < 1331692073 90738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331692073 419153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only sort of array we've implemented so far < 1331692085 348224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced I need to care about the simultaneous thing for an implementation on standard computers < 1331692086 56603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I? < 1331692089 716489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're planning parallel arrays too, with syntax probably a[128], which would be sugar for defining 128 different variables < 1331692098 871331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, unless you plan to reject incorrect programs < 1331692112 129795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter works by passing the code through the compiler's type-checker, then throwing away the output ;) < 1331692130 824328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for inferring things like bitwidths) < 1331692159 508386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rejecting incorrect programs would be nice < 1331692178 668009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, after that, is a || b, which is parallel composition; a and b must be allowed to be executed simultaneously, obviously < 1331692191 259474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a;b, sequential composition (i.e. "do a then b") < 1331692200 369522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both || and ; take two commands as arguments and return a command < 1331692212 598826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a command is a 0-bit integer with possible side effects) < 1331692230 367671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then come the control structures: "while a do b" and "if a then b else c" < 1331692252 758366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is too big :( < 1331692257 514881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first argument is a 1-bit integer; while takes a command as its loop body, if allows any base type in the then and else fields < 1331692258 239802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't while/if be just primitives? < 1331692261 869544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's call-by-name < 1331692263 208606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's meant to be practical < 1331692270 276696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are, but there's syntax for them < 1331692275 22353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stop people having to write whiledo(a)(b) < 1331692282 654922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means your function call syntax is ugly < 1331692301 366594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go on < 1331692327 406768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually gets desugared into an ffi call internally, (c_while:(exp$1*com)->com) a b < 1331692339 914801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual implementation of while is done by the FFI < 1331692350 103963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then is assignment, a := b < 1331692350 880444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this foo$7 stuff i see in trees.ia? < 1331692354 904625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok never mind keep going < 1331692362 384417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really really tightly binding < 1331692376 974903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and part of the identifier syntax, at that < 1331692397 473377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, never mind, just keep going < 1331692432 390313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that comes arithmetic primitives, | ^ (left-associative), &, == (non-associative), < > (non-associative), << >> +>> (left-associative), + - (left-associative), * < 1331692437 219277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Encyclopædia Britannica, you will not be missed < 1331692445 830558 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other languages to go to the best-of page: IRP < 1331692448 775865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all have the same meaning as in C, except that >> is unsigned rightshift and +>> is signed rightshift < 1331692474 570816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. >> fills the left-over bit with 0, +>> fills it with the sign bit of the original number, like >>> and >> in Java) < 1331692493 892078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And Glass? < 1331692494 879267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a +< and +> for signed comparisons, which aren't in this grammar file for some reason; < and > are unsigned < 1331692501 29197 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw < 1331692510 368821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that is ~, unary bit-complement (the same as in C) < 1331692513 142209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know, Haskell solved this operator syntax problem excellently. < 1331692515 460359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that is !, variable dereference < 1331692539 595111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellently? < 1331692561 662105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: better than ais523 solved it < 1331692572 167554 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this verity thing < 1331692578 28345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then is function call, "a(b)" (can also be written as "a b" if b is sufficiently simple; IIRC it must be a constant or identifier, possibly with a cast) < 1331692614 554980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tightest of all is bitwidth conversion, a$$n where n is a literal integer, which discards high bits or zero-extends < 1331692622 684157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and likewise, a+$$n discards high bits or sign-extends) < 1331692629 775763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am really not looking forward to implementing this parser < 1331692632 668406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also put various type assertions on things < 1331692656 749452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples would be :com, :exp$5, :(com -> com) < 1331692669 968349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-dollar is a bitwidth assertion, which can be used on types or numerical constants < 1331692674 529397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0$8 means an eight-bit zero < 1331692680 3343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exp$5 a five-bit integer < 1331692684 536282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp$0 is equivalent to com < 1331692703 351638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0$0 can also be written as "skip" < 1331692719 988302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary minus always requires parens, incidentally < 1331692725 765507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to distinguish between a-1 and a(-1) < 1331692746 909240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's about it, syntactically < 1331692754 784665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a lambda that works on tuples, \(a,b).x < 1331692769 138538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I gave in and looked at grammar.txt < 1331692792 664344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the difference between \a.\b.x and \(a,b).x is that the second asserts that a and b can be used simultaneously, the first asserts that they can't be < 1331692793 198148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a vaguely less agonising way to present this mess of a syntax :P < 1331692807 691661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a more useful question: what's the type system? < 1331692817 709865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are three different type systems… < 1331692834 315726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's desire to implement Verity over time, graphed: \
< 1331692835 681943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs are written in ICA, but must be valid in SCC < 1331692846 376222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that's converted to SCI for use in hardware < 1331692851 74400 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331692859 679553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to describe them over IRC, or just link you to the papers defining them < 1331692931 473578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter will probably save you time, since I can not read them more efficiently than I can not read your explanations of them < 1331692937 589923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/popl11.pdf < 1331692957 342308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that describes not only all the type systems used, but all the algorithms we use to convert between them < 1331692994 310864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it describes the resulting circuitry too < 1331693003 5439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the case of recursion, which we hadn't worked out at the time that paper was written < 1331693009 786466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i just skipped the type system? ;) < 1331693017 90571 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is verity and why is it like this < 1331693031 506254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then you wouldn't be rejecting invalid programs, but it'd still work fine on the valid ones, mostly < 1331693034 598950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for bitwidth inference < 1331693079 493320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ais523&co.'s impure, call-by-name higher-order functional language < 1331693083 330134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed to compile to hardware < 1331693094 309889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, print(~4) implies that the 4 is a 32-bit 4, at least if you do an "import " < 1331693110 665111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because print.vhd defines print as being of type exp$32->com < 1331693125 667589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the bitwidth of the 4 will affect what its complement is < 1331693201 702223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if ais523 has monqy on ignore or something
< 1331693207 478642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1331693212 53880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you answered faster than I did < 1331693219 365443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I wanted to call it ALGOL-11 < 1331693222 778663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they wouldn't let me < 1331693236 399396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ALGOL-12 by now I guess, but 11 sounds nicer < 1331693276 352415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he asked earlier, too < 1331693303 243545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very much an Algol dialect, though, semantically < 1331693314 444655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the syntax is different but based off similar principles < 1331693332 680026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, there's also {} in the syntax, which is sugar for ():com < 1331693347 480817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write while 1 do {command; another_command} < 1331693371 837786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system also has var, but it's sugar for something < 1331693396 707502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, var$n = (exp$n*(exp$n->com)) < 1331693425 744754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that I guess ! and := could be implemented in pure Verity, if I were so inclined < 1331693429 821890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no way to define operators yet < 1331693443 157543 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331693453 675843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the other thing that it's easy to miss is that division doesn't exist < 1331693456 955991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might add a library for div and mod < 1331693460 567992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but there's no way to define operators yet < 1331693461 61210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: you know, Haskell solved this operator syntax problem excellently. < 1331693496 857460 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331693498 550977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by interpreting any random string of characters it doesn't understand as an operator < 1331693508 975406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's actually more complex than what we're doing at the moment < 1331693516 793167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*string of punctuation marks < 1331693524 491043 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331693533 638266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rather pov way of putting it :p < 1331693567 715836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd need to get the parser to parse prio operatives (or whatever you call them, but it's called prio in algol 68) and then change the way it parsed from then on accordingly < 1331693572 176173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn't like state? < 1331693580 928823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ both nonsequitur and strawman) < 1331693633 48363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many 1-pass compilers are there? < 1331693639 859051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I already said I hate operator precedence < 1331693647 696126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, the parser doesn't have to do that at all < 1331693789 114175 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331693805 88226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's very hard to convince people to use a language where a+b*c doesn't do what they expect < 1331693822 124342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"looking vaguely familiar" was the main criterion we used to design Verity's syntax < 1331693830 194691 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331693839 29128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added {} for ():com simply because I wanted to use them for while statements < 1331693852 929043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looked weird with () < 1331693885 407447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure "convincing people to use Verity" is a real problem ais523 faces :P
< 1331693900 110071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't face it /personally/ < 1331693911 934475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was asked to help the people/person out whose job it was < 1331694064 579250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION evaporates
< 1331694152 805964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, why does the language need a built-in notion of bitwidths? < 1331694167 87706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concession to hardware, where everything needs a set bitwidth < 1331694197 754099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4-bit integer" and "1024-bit integer" are completely different types, the type system should reflect that < 1331694213 772906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: # < 1331694219 695654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a new macro meaning "you misinterpreted my previous comment") < 1331694231 783251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking why it needs anything other than bits at all as primitive < 1331694241 108530 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs the PinkiePie fix
< 1331694243 519517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why arithmetic on n-tuples of bits should be built-in < 1331694273 349387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's an operation that people will want to do a lot? and because it makes sense to be able to access the bits of an integer in parallel with each other? < 1331694294 230516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exp$1 * exp$1) is not the same type as (exp$2) in terms of the operations you can do o nit < 1331694295 708545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on it < 1331694307 134938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the first is a promise that you won't access the two bits simultaneously < 1331694314 226485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people want to do lots of operations a lot, that doesn't mean they have to be axiomatic! < 1331694354 697341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, OK, I misused n-tuple < 1331694360 873662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a parallel tuple type then < 1331694378 442311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, that'd complicate the type system considerably for no real gain < 1331694398 138689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time as simplifying it (by removing bitwidths) < 1331694399 574530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tupling is serial, currying is parallel, is the whole heart of the language < 1331694410 874927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c_seq:com*com->com) (c_par:com->com->com) < 1331694428 217196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you'd need to add empty tuples as well, or else make com a separate type from exp$0 < 1331694466 152235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do that anyway (making com a separate type), although empty tuples are good too, so might as well rename com to () or such < 1331694468 688093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, you'd need a sufficiently smart compiler to even produce remotely efficient hardware < 1331694482 750849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why? I don't see why you wouldn't be able to translate it back efficiently < 1331694491 234152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's possible to force individual parts of a tuple < 1331694498 860118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hardware would need to reflect that < 1331694504 518853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say parallel tupling is &, why can't (exp & exp & exp) just translate to exp$3? < 1331694514 711513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a program like (\(a,b).a)(print(4),print(5)) < 1331694537 965776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, stop overloading syntax :) < 1331694540 23316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (\(a&b).a)(print(4)&print(5)) with & as parallel tuple rather than bitwise & < 1331694547 230934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't overload syntax, did I? < 1331694548 604794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ^ used? < 1331694550 747221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, what do you think I overloaded < 1331694553 188260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, bitwise XOR < 1331694555 381928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you overloaded (a,b) < 1331694560 886242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is @ used? < 1331694562 255013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) means a tuple b < 1331694565 574583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, @ isn't used < 1331694574 655639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the type is (a @ b) with constructor (a @ b) then, go on < 1331694582 208523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what type does print(4) have? < 1331694586 417141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :com < 1331694596 743719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print itself has type exp$32->com < 1331694611 817961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some definite value needs to be picked for separate compilation, and 32 is nicely sized for most applications of print < 1331694613 312362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka (exp@exp@exp@...) -> com) < 1331694616 923861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331694620 527997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so, let's pick little-endian < 1331694631 128665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\(a&b).a) is, in your current language, just (\x.x&1) < 1331694634 226393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, (exp@exp@…) would allow you to force individual bits independently < 1331694641 768594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that's the whole point < 1331694644 958529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have different side effects on different bits < 1331694663 266368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean 32 potential entry points < 1331694676 597974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be rather nastily inefficient for hardware that's O(number of entry points) < 1331694682 649478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that's the whole point < 1331694712 765052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so you have a parallel tuple that forces you to force every element at once? < 1331694731 600692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this concept actually exists in call-by-push-value, it has two types of tuples for this reason < 1331694737 927004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Isn't exp$32 a parallel 32-tuple that forces you to force every element at once? < 1331694767 635146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, no, it's not implemented like that, but it is equivalent to that < 1331694784 12731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were being incredulous at the idea < 1331694788 786694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, this type system doesn't even make sense now, what's ((com*com)@com) meant to mean? < 1331694790 724120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if i misinterpreted < 1331694792 938735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(com*com) has two entry points < 1331694805 115148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which of them gets forced when you force the whole thing? < 1331694817 228332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, give me a second to try and understand your silly language :) < 1331694832 27536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't even my language any more, it's basic call-by-name semantics < 1331694851 943306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I don't see a problem, in terms of call-by-name semantics < 1331694857 639535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing a tuple forces the outer tuple but neither of the elements < 1331694866 454332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the non-strict languages I know work < 1331694869 981835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHNF and all that < 1331694883 134761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are your tuples unlifted or something fancy like that < 1331694888 443247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, in Verity, you force individual tuple elements, forcing the whole tuple isn't something that makes sense < 1331694898 41462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likewise, it's impossible to sequence a tuple with something, seq only works on base types < 1331694898 203418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it _is_ your language :) < 1331694900 272594 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331694911 423518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, presumably it forces both, then < 1331694916 999360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's that way in all the literature for Algol-like languages < 1331694947 153339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, that means you identify _|_ and (_|_,_|_), right? < 1331694950 880644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think of com as being like a monad action, if it helps; that's one valid way to implement it < 1331694952 168173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an unlifted product type < 1331694982 619714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (_|_, _|_) would be a reasonable way to define _|_ at a product type, yes < 1331694993 10436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so all you're saying is that your product type is unlifted < 1331694996 961817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas, e.g. Haskell's is lifted) < 1331695010 490814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then, I don't see what's wrong with forcing both sides of it < 1331695019 170804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (_|_, 0) is also a legal value < 1331695020 19659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reasonable implementation, IMO, since (,) is clearly strict in both of its arguments < 1331695025 520880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's fine < 1331695035 299532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, (,) isn't strict < 1331695038 74245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1331695043 258202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means that (_|_, 0)@anything happens to be _|_ < 1331695046 874690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are _|_, what's the problem? < 1331695059 576908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to define (,) in Verity, except in terms of itself < 1331695083 456771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i retracted my comment about (,) < 1331695098 956926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so which /order/ does it force the two sides of (print 0, print 1)@skip? < 1331695122 162835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't force them simultaneously, , introduces a serial tuple < 1331695155 56672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like pointing out that I didn't actually mean this was the only acceptable solution, btw, and had another possible one in mind, but < 1331695157 772482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: left first, why not < 1331695188 967989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how this type system is less complicated than the one with a primitive fixed-width integer type :) < 1331695216 25413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel like pointing out that I didn't actually mean this was the only acceptable solution, btw, and had another possible one in mind, but < 1331695216 362252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other reason things like + are primitive in Verity, is that you can't define polymorphic functions < 1331695228 214660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's another broken thing about verity ;) < 1331695261 699907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a semantic level, if you write print(3+4), the compiler will generate a 32-bit + for you < 1331695264 601916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use that < 1331695277 967311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent a huge amount of duplication, it uses generics in the generated VHDL < 1331695310 96533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so you just want C++ template style generics < 1331695313 111182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polymorphism < 1331695317 459346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331695318 284123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perfectly OK, but you should expose it to your users too < 1331695322 549646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, in the FFI < 1331695327 457077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not in the FFI :) < 1331695334 319499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but + gets desugared into an FFI call < 1331695392 27691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that proper C++-style templates would make a reasonable addition to the language, though; they're mentioned in one of our papers < 1331695400 866373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not /that/ C++-style, that would be insane by definition < 1331695403 194661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic idea < 1331695412 236660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can look identical to ML/haskell-style polymorphism at the language level < 1331695433 317036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing you'd lose, expressivity-wise, is complicated polymorphic recursion < 1331695482 952998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphism only over bitwidths would be so much easier < 1331695497 657809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because VHDL doesn't support polymorphism except for array bounds < 1331695513 30940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1331695533 839693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it'd be nice if a parallel array was just a template that took a compile-time param and returned a variable < 1331695545 887958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm seriously thinking about this < 1331695584 16743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, you can't even write generic data structures in verity, right? < 1331695599 774156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even write recursive data structures < 1331695615 138045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by rolling your own malloc-alike, or by implementing them as functions (which is very inefficient for most practical uses) < 1331695616 664609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can, you have a trees implementation :P < 1331695622 374608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you saw that? < 1331695629 672819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is available on the website < 1331695633 67257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's done with a roll-your-own-malloc, and not a particularly efficient one at that < 1331695635 100203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it < 1331695638 832928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked about arrays < 1331695642 992622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my supervisor trying to prove a point < 1331695652 847600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what point? < 1331695661 909169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hardware recursion was useful, or something < 1331695665 155687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure myself < 1331695687 97654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that obvious? < 1331695743 532925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1331695756 155443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many restrictions on our hardware fix impl that I'm not at all convinced it's useful < 1331695765 565317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what restrictions? < 1331695774 130834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no parallelism anywhere near it, mostly < 1331695791 252646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't nest fix inside fix; it's possible to design circuitry so you could, but it'd be much less efficient so we don't < 1331695811 727743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does that just mean syntactically, or does that mean in fix e, you cannot use any code that uses fix in e? < 1331695814 950136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fix \f.\x.(f(x)||skip) cannot be implemented in hardware with the techniques we're using) < 1331695844 676327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a semantic restriction; it's implementing syntactically into the compiler because I couldn't figure out how it worked in the type system and how to modify the compiler accordingly < 1331695859 150343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language sucks way more than @hwlang :( < 1331695873 811614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we've already achieved more with it than anyone else has before < 1331695876 988432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from pipelining < 1331695880 806438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm working on that atm < 1331695897 303249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the catch, btw? < 1331695906 922805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the catch"? in what? < 1331695923 792152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331695927 498055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i was brought up believing hardware can't do any of this, so there's clearly some deception going on :) < 1331695945 481557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a limited recursion value, because you run out of memory for a stack after a while < 1331695957 329776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-169.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331695964 627714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although instead of having a global stack, which has terrible performance by hardware standards, we have a different stack for each variable in the program < 1331695976 360602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. new allocates stacks rather than individual memory cells < 1331695984 24304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic scope?! < 1331696007 169909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done by getting all the state in the program to refer to a different location depending on the recursion depth < 1331696012 812903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including state in control < 1331696030 771918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. remembering which branch of the ; you're in in \x.x;x) < 1331696098 812085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :λq.(λg.g(λx.g(qx)))(λb.(λk.((k(λu.u))(λl.((kb)(λt.(l(t skip)))))))(λv.λw.wv)) < 1331696111 688901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me so long to work out that expression :) < 1331696141 846407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1331696142 865907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's of type (com^m -> com^n -> com)^(n^2) -> com, m <= 1 < 1331696163 4343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue was finding an expression that had a side-condition like that < 1331696173 739489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's SCC type < 1331696193 601498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was hard enough proving that the type system was even decidable in the absence of polymorphism < 1331696202 508615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but it's nontrivial enough to see that that we got a paper out of it < 1331696207 102341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with the type system transformations < 1331696255 96044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is arguably a deficiency of the type system, due to using (\v.\w.wv) in two unrelated contexts that just happen to have similar types < 1331696266 242560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that ML lets you do that either, though < 1331696272 159261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anarchy would!) < 1331696373 132256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it just me or does your language have nothing to do with algol < 1331696429 501360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just you < 1331696438 27978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its semantics are almost identical to algol 60's < 1331696452 732326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing for the difference in syntax < 1331696463 816871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't even that different; they both work on the same principle, just use different names for things < 1331696517 299640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and algol 60 doesn't have || < 1331696522 626047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file extension should really be .ica rather than .ia < 1331696532 82281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what happened was that I was using .ica and my supervisor was using .ia < 1331696540 468265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we had to standardise on one eventually < 1331696542 987645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, .ia looks better < 1331696555 646287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, .ica does < 1331696564 805731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we can't change it /now/ :P < 1331696617 954761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm not convinced that call-by-need is compatible with hardware (the gosc site suggests it is) < 1331696640 367130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a crazy idea that my supervisor said < 1331696642 251024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it involves heavy, global mutation in a concurrent setting < 1331696656 150799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was talking to someone else, and they decided it would be worthwhile for the compiler, and might even replace pipelining < 1331696659 643182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you don't necessarily need the global, if you're OK with evaluation being per-thread < 1331696660 707851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had to tell them why they were completely wrong < 1331696665 570058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. each thread evaluates a thunk zero or once < 1331696668 271841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd basically discovered common subexpression elimination < 1331696672 505837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1331696675 675541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and confused it with call-by-need < 1331696686 714465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tell him to fix the website, then ;) < 1331696707 140932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, "parallel call-by-need" or whatever it's called could be worthwhile < 1331696720 939525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we discovered that it's possible via a source-level transformation, though < 1331696743 741255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does parallel call-by-need mean, precisely? < 1331696776 661184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, whenever you determine the value of a lambda variable in a particular scope, you start specializing everything in that scope that uses the variable, in the background < 1331696788 890823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when it goes out of scope, kill the specializations < 1331696797 788986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that sounds nothing like call-by-need < 1331696800 467445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return to the original < 1331696819 417564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, think of it this way: \x.print(x+1);print(x+1) < 1331696845 542342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as that's called, x gets a value, x+1 gets specialized in the background (i.e. only executed once), and you end up printing the sum twice while only calculating it once < 1331696896 265411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the similarity with common subexpression elimination comes when you realise that's equivalent to \x.new y := x+1 in print(!y);print(!y), with a backgrounded initialization of y < 1331696905 152715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important if print takes some time to set up before it asks for !y's value) < 1331696922 406203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware is weird < 1331696949 509214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, we realised that in the absence of side-effects, background-calculating things didn't actually cost anything at all < 1331696978 718424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even in the need to be able to kill the calculation halfway through, because we can use the same circuitry for that as we do for the global reset < 1331696992 151819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is necessary so that we don't end up with multiple instruction pointers at power on) < 1331697049 275357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has any of this been tested on a real fpga? :P < 1331697066 826872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if we do it, it'll be as a source-level translation anyway < 1331697077 155095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with extra support for a one-way parallel composition < 1331697102 526866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean, gosc itself < 1331697108 512889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1331697133 963267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think that quickstart.txt contains detailed notes on which things to click in Quartus II to get it working properly? or have you not read that? < 1331697168 165390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not < 1331697171 837643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was joking < 1331697220 920370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who's apparently really important came round, and we showed him a recursive memoized Fibonacci that displayed its result in hex on some seven-segment displays < 1331697224 674895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :running on an actual FPGA < 1331697227 535883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, i just remembered that thing shachaf said < 1331697238 111430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, heh, what did he say? < 1331697249 203788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't there at the time < 1331697252 117535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know < 1331697253 758494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331697265 825659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the funny thing was that he was giving a seminar, and I was pretty much forced to attend < 1331697275 574724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by the time I got there, the whole room was full and there was no room for me, so I didn't < 1331697281 417309 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, what did I say? < 1331697282 839352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems the same threat had gone out to the whole department < 1331697292 380816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Remember when you asked what "either, but not both" meant logically? < 1331697299 98384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain has started to attempt to try and work it out. :-( < 1331697303 232496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an xor, isn't it? < 1331697306 280248 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that? < 1331697313 600239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1331697323 547081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the idea is that you get to pick whether (P & ~Q) or (~P & Q) < 1331697328 887297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember that now. < 1331697331 257577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you're not allowed to go back and change your mind < 1331697342 103713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly that requires state :) < 1331697347 554722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's like linear logic, sort of < 1331697356 615349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1331697365 659005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm stating it vaguely < 1331697368 122880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it requires state < 1331697379 421133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a different structure < 1331697383 63866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p :- \+ q_mem, assertz(p_mem). q :- \+ p_mem, assertz(q_mem). < 1331697384 566613 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't think it requires state, why are you stating it??? < 1331697392 19931 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1331697401 202437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1331697411 392559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much clearer in Prolog :P < 1331697430 853650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think any solution using actual state misses the point of the question < 1331697472 463619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you essentially want (forall R, (P&~Q -> R) & (~P&Q -> R) -> R), except it can only be used once < 1331697479 917591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not even "only once", really < 1331697484 437733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't want to be able to nest it < 1331697490 279050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's a bit stronger than that, because you could pass id... < 1331697522 379048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something like "X=p" and "X=q" in Prolog? < 1331697539 987662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either is true, but not if you use them both in the same scope < 1331697544 183686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, similar < 1331697563 249473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "one-use" thing is why I think linear logic is vaguely related < 1331697584 695442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (p, q)? < 1331697587 740761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Verity? < 1331697590 726885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1331697599 993904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use p and q at the same time < 1331697610 944782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331697613 993886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system forces it, linear-logic-style < 1331697617 262100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331697686 278138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I don't really know anything about linear logic, but would asserting (X ⊸ (P ⊗ Q^⊥)) ⊗ (X ⊸ (P^⊥ ⊗ Q)) work? < 1331697693 954488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then X is P orbutnotboth Q < 1331697703 276287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that doesn't actually work, but am too ignorant to know why < 1331697714 902482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about that syntax for linear logic < 1331697720 141353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than recognising it < 1331697723 860167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was copying from Wikipedia < 1331697734 468562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^⊥ is the dual thing < 1331697738 212644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊸ is linear implication < 1331697755 462644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"⊗ is called "multiplicative conjunction" or "times" (or sometimes "tensor")" < 1331697764 270362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps I meant & ("additive conjunction") and didn't realise it < 1331697768 229526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I really know nothing about linear logic < 1331697775 93450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ ! is pronounced "of course" (or sometimes "bang") < 1331697775 254991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? is pronounced "why not"]] < 1331697778 668905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it's ridiculous... < 1331697785 55703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"⊗" is typically pronounced as "tensor" regardless of what it actually means < 1331697877 824884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :affine type systems, on the other hand, I'm happy with /those/ < 1331697888 259305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an affine type system is like a linear one, except it allows you to not use a variable if you don't want to) < 1331697897 567630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work for this, I think < 1331697940 723565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, -> is affine in SCI and Verity < 1331697959 993055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and tuple formation is non-affine, which is why it has the restriction that you can only use one side at a time; so that the hardware itself ends up used in an affine way) < 1331698055 680075 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's affine type system you got there. < 1331698066 48036 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a shame if anything was to happen to it. < 1331698320 764189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like shachaf has an affinity for ais523's type system < 1331698333 221891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make this into a pun thread :( < 1331698349 836619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan isn't here, we have to work twice as hard to cover for his absence < 1331698371 693045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started coming up with another pun, but gave up before i affinis-ed < 1331698431 12263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: come on that one was awful < 1331698459 176898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if I ignore them they'll go away? < 1331698508 288845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: careful, if you start ignoring everyone you might incur some unwanted affines you have to pay < 1331698544 553267 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what's an efficient way to do operations on columns of a (row-major) matrix? < 1331698593 33059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: make it be column-major instead? < 1331698612 408717 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm doing booperations on both columns and rows. < 1331698615 365367 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rows are easy. < 1331698636 600888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :booperations < 1331698653 541052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just use a stride? < 1331698665 399743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a pointer and add the width of a row to it each time round the loop < 1331698672 321803 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, elliott, booperate with me on this. < 1331698675 557797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not cache-efficient, but I don't think there is a cache-efficient way to do that < 1331698694 951075 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, I was looking for something more cache-efficient. :-) < 1331698710 845022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can there be one? the stuff you're looking for is not together in memory < 1331698711 821442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Store it in BOTH row-major and column-major order!! < 1331698719 793130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use a GPU, where you manage the caches yourself? < 1331698722 254443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, interleave the row-major and column-major representations, one element per each. < 1331698723 414795 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. :-( < 1331698732 274696 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've half a mind to just transpose the matrix first. < 1331698744 973081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, interleaving would be great. < 1331698749 315870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you only incure the cache-inefficiency penalty once? < 1331698751 741399 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was doing enough column operations it would probably be worth it, but I'm only scanning each column once. < 1331698764 43272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interleaving is nearly always a bad idea cache-wise < 1331698770 287066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what you're interleaving or why < 1331698788 228136 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty interleave < 1331698789 95597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadLogic m) => m a -> m a -> m a < 1331698791 495031 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT, OLEG < 1331698791 656916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, /fine/, buy two-dimensional memory and store the row-major stuff /behind/ the column-major stuff < 1331698793 82499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, on a CPU, the values you're interleaving would always be accessed together < 1331698800 319142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean, you could just use the two-dimensional storage directly?) < 1331698809 397846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual-layer memory? like a DVD? < 1331698818 60570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331698824 705791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say that, but decided 2d would be better as it would let me make that joke < 1331698844 876060 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY, JOKES < 1331698859 435206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, transposing a matrix in-place is hard. :-( < 1331698889 681671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I gave a lecture partly about doing that efficiently < 1331698904 617807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the person who was meant to give it booked a plane in the morning rather than the afternoon < 1331698922 536868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because he'd tried to book one in the afternoon, been offered one in the morning instead, and didn't check to make sure it was at the time he requested) < 1331698963 368476 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds exciting. < 1331698997 442492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, that over half the matrix transpose stuff had been made moot since the year before < 1331699003 263707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because GPUs had got better at accessing device memory < 1331699474 421872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.19 still isn't out! < 1331699513 578877 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google what is 1.19 < 1331699516 876473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/measurement/faq/volume-to-mass-air.shtml < 1331699517 64188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: General Chemistry Online: FAQ: Measurement: How can the mass of air in a room be ... < 1331699527 836601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "We have to write out binary data, so we use the writeFile defined in Data.ByteString.Char8, which operates on ByteStrings. This is why we need to convert our String to a ByteString first using B.pack." < 1331699529 694708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331699530 703196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shachaf: < 1331699536 634412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 1.19 is http://mediawiki.org/. < 1331699542 352109 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 1.19 the new albumen? < 1331699555 617017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's out now. < 1331699659 236490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1331699682 154108 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can transpose the matrix while I'm doing the row operations? < 1331699700 189192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that still doesn't help. < 1331699723 820335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why not make the matrix symmetric? < 1331699729 170568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can skip the transposition altogether. < 1331699740 996140 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just make it all zeros? < 1331699745 2509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can store it in constant space. < 1331699753 237065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit constraining, don't you think? < 1331699775 350698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what if you stored a matrix with a Z-order curve? < 1331699837 626073 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't familiar.
< 1331699857 313126 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't really see how that would help with column locality... < 1331699870 709905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would, I'm just thinking about representations. < 1331699881 564799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To pack stuff closer together. < 1331700036 190234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Lebesgue-3d-step3.png sleep.png < 1331701542 912698 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331701742 423086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GPU can transpose matrices at over 60GBps < 1331701804 143653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast can CPUs do it? < 1331701936 826237 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331702131 289833 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331702621 268243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1331702637 67109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1331702641 542880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried < 1331702644 1667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's that fast < 1331702835 116416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Jimbo Wales is actually the designated method of appealing an arbcom decision < 1331702840 863923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is WP bear-ocracy so fascinating? < 1331702850 808191 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331702860 91275 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-165.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331704543 741962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a matrix transposing program in QBASIC which was part of another program for compressing sokoban levels < 1331705207 902249 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're an expert in C++ and g++'s optimizations, right? < 1331705851 352083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1331705853 239248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on < 1331705858 612884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you can also appeal to arbcom, in the case of new evidence, or simply nobody understanding the previous verdict < 1331705867 26263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there a reason g++'s optimizer would compile the uncommented-out line very differently from the commented-out ones in ? < 1331705910 390084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, but the higher authority is explicitly jimbo < 1331705942 356918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Appeal_of_decisions < 1331705977 252156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That one's twice as short. < 1331705982 691245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably faster. < 1331706027 564452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why are you coding C++? < 1331706031 10225 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The first of the three lines is even shorter, though. :-( < 1331706057 475338 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because it's the best language. < 1331706066 311561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought the last one was an alternative to the first two together. < 1331706082 517876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is fastest? < 1331706105 383629 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two compile to fancy AVX instructions. < 1331706137 106072 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third compiles to boring old subtraction. < 1331706185 930205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the first is basically C code. < 1331706195 378543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second is OOPy and therefore idiomatic, due to its method call. < 1331706220 3951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the third is unidiomatic (no OOP) C-style code that has the overhead of classes and objects and stuff. < 1331706226 178469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst of both worlds. < 1331706231 320402 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1331706237 522411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/125578/facebook-like-confirm < 1331706242 473119 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it make it better if I changed operator[] to a named method? < 1331706253 473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331706255 218649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would go faster then. < 1331706303 702995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: needs more rvalue references < 1331706307 59421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has not looked at the code
< 1331706350 21368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(c?a:b) = 0} is valid C++ code, is it valid C? < 1331706362 999146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't. :-( < 1331706365 634058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't thin kso < 1331706387 920337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Try using -O. < 1331706420 185010 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm using -O3. :-( < 1331706424 510178 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try -O4 < 1331706451 343189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't help for single-file programs. :) < 1331706464 672916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1331706467 909648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or -O11. < 1331706495 531237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -O4 has meaning in recent GCC. < 1331706543 100350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Would you look at the code if it was C? < 1331706584 791354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331706585 337820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That's* how you pronounce Dijkstra? < 1331706600 488119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *(c?a:b) = 0 is valid C < 1331706610 146774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++, you don't need the * if a and b are lvalue references < 1331706614 906267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "deek-stra" < 1331706620 235418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure? < 1331706625 287848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably < 1331706626 38568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Dijkstra.ogg says "diik-stra" < 1331706633 599070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's the same thing < 1331706636 801955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1331706639 763078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deek is eeeeee < 1331706641 824552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's right < 1331706642 898978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diik is iiiiiiii < 1331706653 571128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-eek vs. die-k < 1331706669 237313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : in C++, you don't need the * if a and b are lvalue references < 1331706670 122462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1331706676 92430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a,b,c=0; (c?a:b) = 0; < 1331706676 994620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is valid < 1331706683 107889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in C++) < 1331706693 20933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1331706697 539504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1331706698 272581 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1331706724 532740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c=0; (c?a:b)=1; cout >> a >> endl; < 1331706731 520405 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1331706739 409496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c=0; (c?a:b)=1; < 1331706744 592625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: 'twould be nice if you'd tell us /why/ < 1331706745 170300 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331706749 779626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331706753 297219 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c=0; (c?a:b)=1; cout << a << endl; < 1331706758 148563 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :32767 < 1331706767 342354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1331706770 818751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1331706778 313044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331706787 911401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it interpreted b as a pointer < 1331706788 878002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1331706800 81277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c = 0; (c?a:b)=1; std::cout << a << std::endl; < 1331706805 75774 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :32767 < 1331706807 95774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, I bet shachaf is up to his unicode tricks again < 1331706815 631424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I retyped that < 1331706819 62729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331706822 177459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, wtf? < 1331706826 743393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ???? < 1331706832 415522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c = 0; std::cout << a << std::endl; < 1331706837 384239 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :32767 < 1331706838 656818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why was shachaf's valid but not ais523's? < 1331706839 504244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1331706840 138495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(retyped again just to make sure) < 1331706840 983410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you idiot < 1331706842 705360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : !cxx int a,b,c = 0; (c?a:b)=1; std::cout << a << std::endl; < 1331706843 894847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is c? < 1331706851 519948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is (c?a:b), symbolically? < 1331706862 158176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a isn't initialized, and b is getting assigned to < 1331706863 704821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int a,b,c = 0; (c?a:b)=1; std::cout << b << std::endl; < 1331706868 714104 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1331706871 432318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1331706881 366277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: we need ds9kc! < 1331706884 464884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is uninitialized memory consistently 32767, I wonder? < 1331706889 953452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UML, presumably < 1331706908 827476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's effectively a clean-booted Linux system every command < 1331706917 405086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why not 0? < 1331706931 201372 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in C you need *(c?&a:&b)=1; instead < 1331706967 35583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since when is unininitialised memory usually 0? < 1331706985 838452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more often 0 than anything else < 1331706987 197305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int8_t a,b,c = 0; (c?a:b)=1; std::cout << b << std::endl; < 1331706992 277611 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1331706994 441796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1331706996 938496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some sentinel value (32767 is not a good sentinel value) < 1331707002 899908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a; printf("%d\n", a); < 1331707005 98869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1331707005 673571 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1331707007 235402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a; printf("%d\n", a); < 1331707009 419092 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1331707012 580112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char a; printf("%d\n", a); < 1331707014 795729 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1331707017 165594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what's going on? < 1331707022 732946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char a,b; printf("%d %d\n", a,b); < 1331707025 133299 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 < 1331707035 147488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331707099 14909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, how does everyone pronounce GIF? < 1331707103 350082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say jif, I'll stop talking to you < 1331707184 123095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIF. < 1331707188 374180 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1331707200 465943 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wrote a GIF parser once! If you pronounce it "jif" then it works very inefficiently. < 1331707229 700719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38+++---++-+++-----++-+----++++--+--+++--+---++++---+++-++---+++-----++--+++-++--+--+ < 1331707238 552269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma zzo38 < 1331707238 869503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a karma of 3 < 1331707246 649664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma zzo38 < 1331707246 890060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a karma of 3 < 1331707247 698787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38+++---++-+++-----++-+----++++--+--+++--+---++++---+++-++---+++-----++--+++-++--+--+ < 1331707248 590325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma zzo38 < 1331707248 847511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a karma of 3 < 1331707251 208856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM. < 1331707259 522013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You've told me! < 1331707282 223879 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pronounce it correctly it still works inefficiently. < 1331707344 430329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ais523 is not saying "jif" so that I keep talking to him. < 1331707406 59471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want Stack Exchange to be part of the social web and ultimately the semantic web. I'm not satisfied with the archipelago of S.E. islands, each with their own priesthood of moderators who frown upon chit chat and buddy buddy." < 1331708292 317425 :OPTer!~OPTer@c-98-237-93-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331708323 684079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome OPTer < 1331708327 780532 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTer: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331708329 279667 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It compiles to the good instructions when returning a pointer instead of a reference. :-( < 1331708379 877736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: References are safe, thus slow. < 1331708401 110925 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331708444 412064 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess the unsafest operators would be fastest, right? < 1331708462 902224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1331708501 136164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hey, should I sleep? < 1331708514 961419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1331708517 60140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point < 1331708524 548813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't seem as tired as last time you asked that < 1331708539 433761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh;odiuld i sleeeeeeeeeep < 1331708540 171775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on when you want to wake up < 1331708541 298070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slep < 1331708553 218006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your e-mail have been awarded 1,000.000.00 GBP in our 2012 BT AWARD < 1331708553 379945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inbox < 1331708553 380128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1331708553 380238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Sherry McKibben hsaasherryM11@shaw.ca < 1331708553 380349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1331708553 718714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :date 14 March 2012 06:53 < 1331708555 723343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject Your e-mail have been awarded 1,000.000.00 GBP in our 2012 BT AWARD < 1331708557 722783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailed-by shaw.ca < 1331708559 725942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hide details 06:53 (9 minutes ago) < 1331708561 728304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name.....Country......Phone..... < 1331708568 600730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my email have been awarded 1,000.000.00 GBP in our 2012 BT AWARD!!!!! < 1331708617 722425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: [[Haskell, being lazy, allows the usage of thunks (unevaluated expressions) which can build up ad infinitum without such mucky things as 'stack overflows' ugh.]] < 1331708625 437049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You know when foldl builds up a billion thunks and you get a stack overflow? < 1331708628 746661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That never happens. < 1331708691 653895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about the time when it happened. < 1331708735 165969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't happen. < 1331708761 669441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^dundundun < 1331708944 163112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def dundundun ul ([dramatic music])S < 1331708950 626134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot???? < 1331708952 16998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!!! < 1331708954 736306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FI!!!J!IO!JO!IJZXIE < 1331708987 417537 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a long Wikipedia link you've got there. < 1331709006 419977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331709023 541678 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one in the Wikipedia brackets. < 1331709062 437730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331709066 193964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are MediaWiki brackets. < 1331709073 903101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've been quoting with [[...]] since before Wikipedia existed. < 1331709088 374746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was quoting [[...]] when I was 5 years old, fuck you. < 1331709093 797312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Untrue.) < 1331709112 241344 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1331709131 305879 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should quote as follows: «You should quote as follows: » < 1331709156 200930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy! It's that kid who's younger than me! < 1331709158 519181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE YOU DOING < 1331709170 760049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey ais523, should I sleep? < 1331709180 864041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi im fine < 1331709194 55716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you not make your own mind up, this time? < 1331709204 125721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, quotes are {{{ }}}, or you're insufficiently Agoran < 1331709214 377492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agoran quotes are usually {{ }} these days! < 1331709220 625685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, those are both MediaWiki syntax too. < 1331709306 698327 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is younger than you? < 1331709315 197355 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure monqy is A BILLION YEARS OLD < 1331709330 91805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure elliott is the universe. < 1331709349 591543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Shut up, you're only 4. < 1331709350 24418 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the age he tells people is actually how long he's had Internet. < 1331709364 964572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe sure did get internet late. < 1331709382 353978 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's expensive wiring off-planet. < 1331709393 705155 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since you need superluminal cabling. < 1331709418 742822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm the universe then where is @? < 1331709455 40040 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When the logs get edited, all references to @ ever not having existed will be erased. < 1331709473 477863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The present state of @ is the cosmic background radiation. < 1331709498 729773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say, the big bang is actually a representation of your thought processes. < 1331709515 121271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether this makes @ awesome or really bad. < 1331709528 301360 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell it means neither. < 1331709536 514336 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a point. < 1331709552 207303 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it mean either one? It could mean neither. That would be a possibility. < 1331709627 44295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So how do I connect to the CMBR? < 1331709731 504197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fetch the data from WMAP. < 1331709741 381744 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331709758 342091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's static! < 1331709764 277924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is, like, fluid. < 1331709972 132232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, get a radio, untune it. < 1331709979 707211 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to the sounds of the creation of the universe. < 1331710029 651145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, @ sucks. < 1331710088 877849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Britannica costs $1,395? < 1331710114 469684 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superluminal cabling is stupid. < 1331710124 186734 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put a few fiber optic cables through a wormhole < 1331710172 966770 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I have a wormhole? < 1331710280 265596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1331710315 156483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should answer DanBurton's question. < 1331710414 309964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Done. < 1331710500 483408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has influence.
< 1331710622 70193 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wantonly to understand! < 1331710710 259996 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331710739 654205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should I __ __ _____? < 1331710754 323879 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ARE TYPE CLASSES DISCOVERED OR INVENTED < 1331710758 162997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could ask zzo38 to take your horoscope again < 1331710773 30397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should I sleep? < 1331710791 772959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you tired? < 1331710797 185846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that infinitely redirecting website? I got a reply back saying it was working yesterday < 1331710823 168122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately it should be your own choice to sleep or to not sleep. However, you can make decisions using other methods if you prefer. < 1331710877 513977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm looking for a more... astrologically inclined answer. < 1331710883 263889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: problem solved, then < 1331710883 639616 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the best method to use to make decisions? < 1331710898 178845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. Tell me your latitude and longitude then. < 1331710929 543620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I imagine they're the same as last time < 1331710939 982441 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-240.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331710940 157327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what they were last time < 1331710948 35550 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-18.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331710967 785720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1331710974 572817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latitude:N54:58:22 Longitude: W2:06:41, apparently < 1331711032 339447 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I put that into the computer. The answer is the same as last time: Wake up. < 1331711046 667922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1331711066 299231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know you are probably awake already) < 1331711111 858582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you live in 45 Rye Terrace? < 1331711119 966725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was awake... but then I woke up. < 1331711125 195792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I googled "hexham latitude longitude". < 1331711193 474363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: USELESS TRIVIUM OF THE DAY: apparently, WMF developers aren't called developers any more < 1331711211 354455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331711218 72723 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you can put it in your own Astrolog next time. < 1331711226 365113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're "system administrators", which is (a) more accurate and (b) boring) < 1331711229 9760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I doubt it runs on Linux. < 1331711257 833586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It runs on DOS, Mac, Windows, and Unix. So probably it will run on Linux. < 1331711267 862489 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it in my own Astrolog. < 1331711275 384529 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It told me I should "give Astrolog money". < 1331711280 903275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikimedia's present power structure is a mix of anarchic, despotic, democratic, republican, meritocratic, plutocratic, technocratic, and bureaucratic elements" < 1331711282 724241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The author's other program, Daedalus, appears to be Windows only, though) < 1331711305 546743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is a .*/is a mess/ < 1331711330 294060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You put your coordinates in and it told you that? But as far as I know it is not for sale. < 1331711340 63903 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/ix.*/ess/ # regex golf! < 1331711365 59072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ix"? < 1331711367 82543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331711396 747493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now you have regex golf. I think some of the anarchy golf problems are similar to a regex golf in some cases. < 1331711711 286981 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331711761 78224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot :') <3 < 1331711761 416712 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is my explanation, but it's the v6 stack driver that throws that out. < 1331711769 246481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You put fungot on IPv6 and it broke? < 1331711769 594766 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fibonacci heaps, trinomial heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, relaxed heaps, and maybe even specifically optimized by the implementation < 1331711770 701068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monster. < 1331711776 148494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: fibonacci heaps, trinomial heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, relaxed heaps, and maybe even specifically optimized by the implementation < 1331711776 380790 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bloody flow analysis :) bye. < 1331711783 922200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :823) elliott: fibonacci heaps, trinomial heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, relaxed heaps, and maybe even specifically optimized by the implementation < 1331711801 515986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, ... < 1331711862 986055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relaxed heaps, and maybe even specifically optimised by the implementation. < 1331711994 190731 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that automatically generated? < 1331712000 104762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot++ < 1331712000 267238 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i checked it :) first i need to < 1331712010 120759 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: FIRST YOU NEED TO WHAT < 1331712010 758560 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: process 3 killed. i'm happy with double-precision arithmetic. however, these rules are then used to anticipate the events after n steps, i can assure you < 1331712048 20855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot is dying. < 1331712048 280354 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps it has something to do with it?" ;p < 1331712187 716909 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? More like funbot! < 1331712188 245167 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's also an identifying uri manipulation libs for just about every side, except on keenspot when it points to some proxy in switzerland which happens to be in < 1331712418 965703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to put it in your own Astrolog? (Hint: You should enter your own timezone and location into the configuration file so that it selects that one by default. You can create other files with other info if you want to chart other info commonly.) < 1331712445 538367 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're the universe, does that make you mostly vacuum? < 1331712457 799326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark energy, man. < 1331713170 29821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "sqort" < 1331713181 129344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your typo fix contains a typo of its own < 1331713191 962284 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1331713433 718541 :OPTer!~OPTer@c-98-237-93-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331713964 168972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-222.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331713988 790551 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-240.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331714903 502246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331715213 251517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331715240 485579 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy tswett update (kallisti too if you read logs) < 1331715258 260352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331715333 133225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any opinions about the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth? < 1331715391 260890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331715393 62083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all @ < 1331715401 635237 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why don't you join any channels by default? < 1331715429 552851 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean by that? < 1331715511 81158 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.daniweb.com/software-development/legacy-and-other-languages/threads/408985 this is the new language I am in love with. < 1331715527 505947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfect. < 1331715611 514500 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of people who have failed to resist the urge to say that it's perfect: 3. < 1331715654 362982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am glad we are not the only ones you force to suffer. < 1331715694 892723 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, someone else linked it, although I repeated the link for someone who came in afterwards and saw some discussion. < 1331715720 502264 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"first exapmle of perfect code" :D < 1331715755 443615 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperfect comments do not count as code, I would assume. < 1331715757 121140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's prefect. < 1331715853 961249 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's intended to be readable by both VB and C people! The redundant } and end statements ensure it! < 1331716385 987230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331716467 729238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Pascal's Wager? Do you know the opposite? The first time I saw the opposite in the book, was not named; but I saw it once called Rachel's Wager so I will call itat. < 1331716515 333037 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Named after Blaise Rachel, the famous mathematician? < 1331716632 646531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It is someone with the OpenID URL http://rach.myopenid.com/ < 1331719362 131159 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-222.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331719364 408032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331720172 750274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331720613 46455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331720646 74543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331720665 324732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331720684 161502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=EsoInterpreters&curid=2229&diff=31113&oldid=31102 adds a column to EsoInterpreters with nothing but a BF interpreter. < 1331720701 774446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the next revision fixes the link, but not the &nsbp;s in every other cell.) < 1331720704 139779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331720712 225600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided to delegate this one to you :P < 1331720721 759392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1331720751 663187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SENSE SOME ABUSE OF POWER HERE < 1331720793 940474 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is g++'s optimizer stupid? < 1331720795 131487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly, telling people about revisions is the most heinous crime against human rights < 1331720830 287582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In particular, why is "if (data_[ix] < min) min = data_[ix];" much faster than "min = std::min(data_[ix], min);"? < 1331720849 537587 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd expect it to recognize a minimum operation which is, you know, the standard library's minimum operation. < 1331720867 727500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's C++ that is stupid. < 1331720868 243157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1331720881 709257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: P.S. If I made you an admin, it'd be delegation, not abuse. < 1331720882 58359 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331720896 334186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i knew there would be a catch to this admin thing. < 1331720912 103856 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because if I wrote in C, there would be no standard library function for min/max, right? < 1331720978 338200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right! < 1331721312 93961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: On the other hand, only with C++ you can just pull the whole thing from and avoid the loop, by writing *min_element(data_.begin(), data_.end()) instead. < 1331721318 425035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's probably even slower.) < 1331721473 342229 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's about the same speed as a loop with std::min. < 1331721485 428244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadness. < 1331721533 676258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could have been even slower. < 1331721537 782796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it foregoed the opportunity. < 1331721540 857073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgoed a word < 1331721560 360853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just forged the foregoed word. < 1331721575 42435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh wait it was just a typo, not forgetting about making the rest of the column completely... < 1331721579 729811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can do that < 1331721598 415340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ern o < 1331721602 318608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i did not want you to fix it < 1331721607 105140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted you to remove the useless column :P < 1331721618 854075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we put a column for every language with just a BF interpreter, it would be an exceedingly wide table. < 1331721664 63871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bah < 1331721686 393846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, int min1(int a, int b) { if (a < b) return a; return b; } and int min2(int a, int b) { return std::min(a, b); } generate exactly identical code; but of course "if (a[b] < min) min = a[b];" is not quite equivalent to "min = std::min(a[b], min)". < 1331721700 157648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (you could just re-save the old revision, if you're thinking it'll be a long ordeal) < 1331721705 358834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just don't want to have to write the edit summary ;P) < 1331721731 683820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what. i disagree with that policy. < 1331721756 667407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have already said that the table needs to split up soon anyway. < 1331721766 348023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the whole point is to be a _cross-reference_, is it not? < 1331721772 65835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no crossing. < 1331721832 454041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. the _actual_ problem is that the entry has swapped row/column. < 1331721851 667986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1331721854 134335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly < 1331721855 51445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :// TODO: add support for [ and ] < 1331721857 534630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a brainfuck interpreter < 1331721863 616871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331721875 402237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case... < 1331721882 355004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1331721936 291725 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It looks vaguely like an inlining problem. < 1331721951 509936 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Certainly I don't expect it to be able to vectorize it without inlining. < 1331721960 700446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Write it in J instead. < 1331721991 680946 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Code that looks very similar -- e.g. min = data_[ix] < min ? data_[ix] : min; -- also gets vectorized. < 1331722045 468959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other g++ optimizer vectorization complaint today also had to do with inlining -- something that only worked with pointers and not with references. < 1331722049 942057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I heard C lets you get close to the metal, and has really predictable performance. < 1331722052 465243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike that Haskell thing. < 1331722066 486390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Haskell you can have a bunch of seemingly-equivalent expressions with wildly different performanec characteristics! < 1331722067 988065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*performance < 1331722070 830069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could never happen in C/C++. < 1331722097 33635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let kmc handle this one. < 1331722202 159309 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK, this is kind of ridiculous. < 1331722248 779509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : inline const Pixel &mymin(const Pixel &a, const Pixel &b) { return a < b ? a : b; } < 1331722251 623656 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : inline const Pixel mymin(const Pixel a, const Pixel b) { return a < b ? a : b; } < 1331722262 309875 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pixel is signed short. < 1331722271 286275 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second line gets optimized; the first one doesn't. < 1331722321 635238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why C++ < 1331722404 934837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one is kinda weird-looking, though. If I were an optimizer, I probably wouldn't bother either. < 1331722440 56132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But that's what std::min is... < 1331722840 341176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must have something to do with the con-text. < 1331722866 995902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why is that ridiculous < 1331722872 321901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't optimise std::min so it doesn't optimise the first mymin < 1331722921 213262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OcbC gives absolutely identical 'use1' and 'use2'. (cmp esi, edi; cmovle edi, esi; jmp _Z5applyi.) < 1331722945 622876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it's much harder when you're talking about references to std::vectors or something. < 1331722967 149253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To its elements, I mean. < 1331722976 309535 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm talking about vectorization. < 1331722982 385405 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try using it in a loop over an array. < 1331723095 676973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, http://sprunge.us/jPeB also gives identical code. < 1331723105 324791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that's the identical function too. :p < 1331723122 485576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's kinda different. < 1331723163 556180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also forgot the ++s, but anyhow. < 1331723253 224205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ++s are kind of important. :-) < 1331723304 485539 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But suddenly I'm not getting it to reproduce. < 1331723347 525752 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because your min function is over ints. < 1331723363 565566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331723412 944407 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://sprunge.us/GidL < 1331723445 924515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you write my functions for me? < 1331723471 610445 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm too busy writing fizzie's function for fizzie. < 1331723481 273708 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1331723576 337913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something similar with the ints; it seems to want to keep an up-to-date copy of min on stack for each iteration of the loop when you call the reference version. < 1331723622 238371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it generates drastically different code for my version. < 1331723630 553883 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you compile with -O3 -march=native < 1331723637 94254 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Happy -march! < 1331723674 805557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it doesn't vectorize. But how could it, if it "needs" to keep updating -1(%rsp) for each byte separately. < 1331723721 451962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331723764 32790 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it something to do with aliasing? I'd understand a different behavior if the function wasn't inline, but you'd expect it to be able to figure this out. < 1331723781 71453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FUCKING HATE C++ < 1331723802 286957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESTROY EVERY COPY OF GCC AND BURN THE SPECIFICATION < 1331723806 90781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1331723826 586660 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331723829 270160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense some anger issues. < 1331723862 801973 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331723993 55256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CHOO* < 1331724011 742958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody dose < 1331724095 193722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but I do get almost identical code for the obvious pointer translation, template inline const T* min3(const T* a, const T* b) { if (*a < *b) return a; return b; } and a use case of min = *min3(&min, &arr[i]);. < 1331724144 694382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inlined, but not vectored, and the loop is essentially the same. Except, uh, now I don't see any stack references in either of use2 or use3 any more. < 1331724153 47743 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331724212 13671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, that last bit was just -march=native.) < 1331724228 584689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. Weird. < 1331724252 300226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IMPORTANT: Any code that relies on wide character support is essentially non-portable and/or broken. the only reason this header exist is because I'm really a nice guy. However, I'm not nice enough to provide you with a real implementation. instead wchar_t == char and all wc functions are stubs to their "normal" equivalent..." < 1331724254 982985 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :says android wchar.h < 1331724256 457333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay; g++-4.5 doesn't have the slightly useless stack thing. < 1331724260 633441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-august=bahamas < 1331724269 425203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looks correct to me :P < 1331724284 115123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a statement about in general? or just in Android? < 1331724376 563693 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's also somewhat odd that it doesn't work with the pointer version. < 1331724391 644806 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have another bit of C++ code that gets vectorized with the pointer version but not with the reference version. < 1331724519 151608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's true in general that you have few guarantees about wchar_t < 1331724565 962121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example on Windows it's only 16 bits, so cannot represent all of Unicode < 1331724657 352371 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331724793 997660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting factoid, IIRC plan 9 only does 16-bit < 1331724804 855278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to never being updated when the astral planes started existing < 1331724808 192587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the first utf-8 impl! < 1331724961 16126 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : "IMPORTANT: Any code that relies on wide character support is essentially non-portable and/or broken. the only reason this header exist is because I'm really a nice guy. However, I'm not nice enough to provide you with a real implementation. instead wchar_t == char and all wc functions are stubs to their "normal" equivalent..." // this is the most legit statement on wchar anyone has ever made. < 1331725004 495277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check the macro __STDC_ISO_10646__ to see if wchar_t supports all of UCS / Unicode / ISO-IEC 10646 / NCC-1701 < 1331725010 815818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such important characters as http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm < 1331725016 302086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, thank you for quoting it in full < 1331725026 92271 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis my nature X-D < 1331725040 63599 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, GOAT is far more important than PILE OF POO < 1331725053 780512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define wchar_t "NO. STOP." < 1331725059 437092 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walter: Am I wrong? < 1331725059 598862 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dude: No you're not wrong. < 1331725059 760793 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walter: Am I wrong? < 1331725059 760976 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dude: You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole. < 1331725066 88393 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unicode GOAT resents your inability to render Unicode GOAT.)>🐐 < 1331725071 279508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : RocketJSquirrel, thank you for quoting it in full < 1331725073 479169 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/109925364564856140495/posts < 1331725073 742241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how we roll around here < 1331725081 62439 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1331725152 187422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to convince a friend to include a Supplementary Ideographic Elemental in his D&D campaign < 1331725299 41687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey kmc, I'm getting sick of #haskell! < 1331725302 10757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY YOU ARE THE PERSON TO TURN TO. < 1331725377 856546 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1331725390 749371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did I cause you to look at #haskell? < 1331725395 906239 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it turns out that knowing about this gcc optimizer thing would've solved my whole problem a while ago. < 1331725399 80790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331725399 242915 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not yet. < 1331725401 191028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even WORSE. < 1331725414 956032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW, RIGHT? < 1331725487 333692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Allow me to summarise the current discussion for you: "gah, why don't length and (!!) use Integer?!" -> "well, if we were going to change them, it should be to Natural instead anyway" -> "changing (!!) to Natural is pointless, because you can still specify an index above the array's bounds!" -> "it still eliminates a class of errors!" -> "it is literally no more precise than Integer!" -> "what?" -> "it is literally no more precise than I < 1331725487 532726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nteger!" < 1331725497 398067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 NICK :BIOC_4_EVA < 1331725536 150320 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summary of summary: I won < 1331725539 441898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't length and (!!) use dependent types < 1331725541 104232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the real question < 1331725554 315101 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many dependencies? < 1331725568 681951 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many dependents < 1331725571 483378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Hey, get out! I'm busy talking about you behind your back. < 1331725576 490497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the rules. < 1331725585 839205 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is just bitter because he didn't win. < 1331725709 599034 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the function be64toh is named betoh64 on android < 1331725758 846237 :BIOC_4_EVA!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 NICK :itidus21 < 1331725811 967711 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever wanted to program for a platform where the kernel is linux and the userland is half BSD and half crazysauce < 1331725816 958463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that platform exists today < 1331725888 664146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be worse than desktop linux < 1331725986 720849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-206.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331725990 423710 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331726140 946592 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, Android is probably as close as current distros come to my purported goal of a NoGNU/Linux. < 1331726264 217493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that your goal < 1331726272 485076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is a militant BSD user. < 1331726273 138930 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a purported goal ;) < 1331726280 466747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't use any gpl software < 1331726286 402897 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1331726288 203828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy people itt < 1331726310 178829 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch me pull this license out of my hat! < 1331726330 773650 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's apparently the only line I can quote from Rocky and Bullwinkle, and I'm not even the right character. < 1331726337 496145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am under the delightfully trollish impression that linux and gnu are effectively c and or c++ apps and systems < 1331726372 209161 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anywho, I just want to see a full Linux system with nothing (C) FSF. < 1331726383 272456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: well, it's like linear logic, sort of < 1331726389 300869 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I'm sure tidbits of the kernel itself have flowed from FSF, but, uh, whoops) < 1331726398 70064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think it's precisely that... < 1331726410 570757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i try and formulate it in terms of linear logic later. < 1331726414 895580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: without knowing any linear logic. < 1331726416 195048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331726420 615333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any linear logic? perhaps you can correct me :P < 1331726435 613254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read the definition... < 1331726442 898407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1331726445 138267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wchar_t quote isn't wrong, it just has the kind of tone that makes me hate programmers < 1331726467 583170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think kmc likes anybody. < 1331726472 492337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the gnu approach would be to gradually rewrite each module of gnu in haskell until the whole thing is haskell < 1331726508 510210 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Then, in forty years, when you have better languages and Haskell is a dinosaur, at long last you'll have a pure Haskell system 8-D < 1331726527 998774 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell wouldn't work; there is an "FFI loophole" < 1331726571 796980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that loophole will be closed when the foreign side has been converted to haskell < 1331726584 4718 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331726689 546144 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest possible achievement of mankind is to rewrite all existing software in haskell < 1331726689 707696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think you basically want (P ⊗ ~Q) & (~P ⊗ Q) < 1331726714 119956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this amazing new technology is too powerful to be used for new projects and problems < 1331726720 803166 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ⊗ mean XOR? < 1331726725 816066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so & lets you pick one but not both? < 1331726729 62864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331726740 283634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331726745 181395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok then < 1331726748 740025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have your answer! < 1331726777 125325 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric < 1331726788 18721 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331726809 181652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm glad you're confident we'll have better languages than Haskell in 40 years. < 1331726814 679621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can be uncynical enough to join you! < 1331726820 619197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess @ will exist in 40 years. < 1331726837 382961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: linear logic is cool. I should learn it. < 1331726844 147376 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As much as it ever will! < 1331726929 220112 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MDude < 1331726974 866946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief, I hate thinking. < 1331727002 395283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ⊗ means that you can use both sides, simultaneously, while & means you can only use one of them, but you get to choose. and there's another operator which gives you one of them, but you _don't_ get to choose, which is sort of like an or. and also another which looks like an upside down & and is dual to ⊗ and which is hard to explain exactly _what_ it gives you. < 1331727039 111003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's my impression of this. < 1331727046 580845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, thinking is the hardest thing on earth < 1331727102 764170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use neither side, simultaneously < 1331727142 651824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa the linear logic guy is still alive < 1331727143 224114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it makes sense as a kind of lambda thing where you get a ⊗ as argument. < 1331727151 684037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise it was so modern < 1331727157 949622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a continuation. < 1331727169 516206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1987?!?!?!?!?!?! < 1331727170 382031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with curry-howard thinking.) < 1331727172 154720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1331727209 229542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it takes a kind of leap to invent a logic which isn't really about _truth_... < 1331727243 611473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, yeah... the basic idea just seems obvious in retrospect < 1331727292 155535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am nearly done analyzing the problem. 1)Determine what I want to think about. 2)Visualize myself thinking about it. 3)Using rhonda byrne's The Secret� flip through books as if I was really thinking. 4)??? 5)Profit. < 1331727296 85190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that upside down & is _part_ of the definition of implication, like a -> b = ~a or b in classical logic. < 1331727301 766214 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell when my program stops running because my computer's fan turns down. < 1331727308 349707 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty instant feedback. < 1331727313 839296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so I guess this means it might have been explicitly influenced by resource problems in computing < 1331727320 527666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just turning out to be useful for that < 1331727388 712379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there are the unary operators ! meaning "as many times as you want" and its dual ? meaning heck if i know < 1331727437 506915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more than you hoped for < 1331727447 875957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*less < 1331727592 164762 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331727645 491913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and four constants, 0, 1, top and bottom, one identity for each of the basic binary operations < 1331727787 349984 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331727908 179380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think natural language is ill-equipped for complex logic < 1331727951 684263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just need two more, then we can call them up, down, strange, charm, top, and bottom. < 1331727982 285545 :derdon_!~derdon@p4FD95941.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331728033 110016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh maybe that's the secret to the toe! < 1331728062 953244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*t.o.e. < 1331728073 730634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was confused for a second there. < 1331728172 91904 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D509.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331728490 14359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dammit not nausea as well < 1331728535 483534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i diagnose oerjan with ill < 1331728538 25427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1331728553 559266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your nausea isn't caused by disease i find it helps to vomit < 1331728560 954913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^iff < 1331728592 969661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the reason i don't like nausea is because i really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hate vomiting. < 1331728613 164132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vomiting is great fun! ok it's not < 1331728614 379876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's definitely disease. < 1331728627 336333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually enjoy ripping my stomach lining into carrot pieces and depositing them on the ground < 1331728654 524741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331728666 186213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331728780 665238 :derdon_!~derdon@p4FD95941.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331731221 436736 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331731450 540319 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that today is Pi Day. < 1331731460 693880 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I celebrate by acting irrationaly? < 1331731530 145118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Celebrate by destroying America < 1331731535 840078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s disgusting date ordering system. < 1331731566 443196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the other systems don't even _have_ a pi day! < 1331731574 282916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clearly must be inferior. < 1331731599 967529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, some of us have 14 months. < 1331731636 694978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean earth systems. < 1331731707 566589 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-0 3-14 < 1331731875 243562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi day in day-first systems is apr 31 < 1331731876 727191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 360%(180-36) < 1331731877 686885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 % 2 < 1331731917 973204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... < 1331731958 102553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may wish to rethink that. < 1331732027 8002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just made may shorter so that i could have one < 1331732050 623173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331732075 295799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its feb 3 obviously < 1331732098 948588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 mod 12 = 2 < 1331732110 361931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you celebrate the previous year's < 1331732116 361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i've heard that its 22 july (pi approximation day) < 1331732116 352543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so feb 3 2012 was pi day 2011 < 1331732130 379439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually a better approximation than 3.14 so its BETTER < 1331732163 690802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1fuck < 1331732278 775303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i turned into magnetism < 1331732560 186156 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331733571 239841 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1331734919 507160 :nys!~nys@70.126.63.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331734921 720993 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310102926] < 1331735198 509917 :nys!~nys@70.126.63.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331735247 493424 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: QUIET < 1331735284 485365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiet < 1331735949 310365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ___ _ _ ___ _____ _____ < 1331735949 512869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / _ \| | | |_ _| ____|_ _| < 1331735949 513066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | | | || || _| | | < 1331735949 513191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |_| | |_| || || |___ | | < 1331735949 513311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \__\_\\___/|___|_____| |_| < 1331736154 862157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan how did the four colour theorem take so long to get proved :( < 1331736207 164353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it so far requires a massive checking of cases that only a computer can do. hth. < 1331736230 904484 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kept trying to prove the "for color theorem". < 1331736243 917979 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly Americans. < 1331736250 122347 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were too busy trying to prove that P!=NP. < 1331736300 684802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but WHY it's so OBVIOUS ;_; < 1331736320 774614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's only a few hundred, isn't it < 1331736335 489618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume you'd need to look at the different cases to see why it's not obvious. < 1331736366 397619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: iirc _each_ of those few hundred configurations requires a massive computer check. < 1331736379 821501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their proof reduced the infinitude of possible maps to 1,936 reducible configurations (later reduced to 1,476)" < 1331736400 278299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the proving of the theorem, efficient algorithms have been found for 4-coloring maps requiring only O(n2) time, where n is the number of vertices. In 1996, Neil Robertson, Daniel P. Sanders, Paul Seymour, and Robin Thomas created a quadratic time algorithm, improving on a quartic algorithm based on Appel and Haken’s proof (Thomas 1995; Robertson et al. 1996). This new proof is similar to Appel and Haken's but more efficient because it re < 1331736400 631134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duced the complexity of the problem and required checking only 633 reducible configurations. Both the unavoidability and reducibility parts of this new proof must be executed by computer and are impractical to check by hand (Thomas 1998, pp. 852–853). In 2001 the same authors announced an alternative proof, by proving the snark theorem (Thomas; Pegg et al. 2002)." < 1331736401 504600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine :P < 1331736413 536173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can colouring a few thousand graphs be?! < 1331736430 42965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the configurations are not graphs per se < 1331736453 854519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331736456 584914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are graphs with _arbitrary_ colors _preset_ on a boundary < 1331736466 455474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331736469 168890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it's basically just sudoku. < 1331736474 238321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1331736477 279830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hope that was as condescending as possible) < 1331736488 472779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um it's like having to solve _all_ sudokus. < 1331736522 758879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "arbitrary" i mean that you have check _all_ possible assignments. < 1331736574 812179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was kidding < 1331736576 222885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, i see now < 1331736587 664231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all from my very vague recall of an overview of the proog, though. < 1331736589 425154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*f < 1331736591 499610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, i am pretty sure i could solve all sudokus if you gave me a few years. < 1331736600 345781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just numbers! < 1331736601 140520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1331736615 142537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following discussion is a summary based on the introduction to Appel and Haken's book Every Planar Map is Four Colorable (Appel & Haken 1989)." < 1331736620 247111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most entertaining book < 1331736634 686578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And now for 2,000 pages of computer printouts!" < 1331736782 763568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible it was that introduction i looked at. < 1331736841 700330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks more like a book-sized proof than an introduction going by this article < 1331736952 814154 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tihnk the four color theorem could be somehow made linked to the three utilities problem. < 1331737046 691505 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess that might only prove that the minimum is at least four. < 1331737207 353405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway is small < 1331737241 347934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331737242 202630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331737270 480213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway is small < 1331737279 806383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :norway is small | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331737458 169451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean by area, that's absurd. if you mean by population, http://www.ssb.no/vis/english/subjects/02/01/10/folkemengde_en/arkiv/art-2012-02-23-01-en.html < 1331737534 852914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/02/01/10/folkemengde_en/arkiv/thumb-2012-02-23-01-en.png <-- very small image. very small country < 1331737545 941402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you include ocean area, norway is _ridiculously large.) < 1331737553 302334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the defendant rests. (hes tired.) < 1331737554 678827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+_ < 1331737559 836312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excuse him.) < 1331737607 104372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, the insanity by sleep deprivation defense. < 1331737643 399912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you have some issues w/r/t/ the size of norway. i am sorey. < 1331737647 133161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by ridiculous, i mean the second larges european country after russia.) < 1331737649 369525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t < 1331737660 702990 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the fact that K5 is a minimal nonplanar graph, which means that you can't have five areas that all touch each other on a plane. < 1331737662 804599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about france : / < 1331737675 132388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry sicnecence" -norway. (probably hates LHC.) < 1331737677 84424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "if you include ocean area" < 1331737691 546550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess france has some outside europe. < 1331737705 809807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key domestic issues include immigration and integration of ethnic minorities, maintaining the country's extensive social safety net with an aging population, and preserving economic competitiveness.[2][9], and being smal. < 1331737738 194282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that's a mistranslation from no:smal = en:narrow. < 1331737743 664236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Corded_Ware_culture.png this map i can see but norway i canot < 1331737751 236779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is hiding. or perhaps it is smal. < 1331737752 598298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will freely admit to being narrow, in the middle. < 1331737804 175134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Satellite_image_of_Norway_in_February_2003.jpg <-- picture of sweden < 1331737843 989270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow how much do you pay the people who pick the pictures for your wikipedia articles this is pretty < 1331737864 35116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: five colors being enough has been known for more than a century. < 1331737995 552859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/StatfjordA%28Jarvin1982%29.jpg <-- COMOMPENSATING FOR SOMETHING NORWAY,,,? < 1331738020 213672 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331738034 922460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331738058 45399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway's population numbers roughly 4.9 million. < 1331738059 439809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: smal. < 1331738075 813323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah trondheim is big < 1331738090 393624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SOON. you didn't read that first link did you. < 1331738098 42095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll-physics alternative to the four colour theorem is to just draw the edges on maps < 1331738109 239895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it was a bit hidden in the first blockquote. < 1331738132 937613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Statistics Norway has calculated that Norway will reach a population of 5 millions on Monday, March 19. Population in Norway reached the first million in 1822, the second in 1890, the third in 1942 and the fourth in 1975." < 1331738135 228165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you have drawn the edges, it doesn't matter so much that 2 adjacent regions are the same colour < 1331738161 110593 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fact enables line art to exist < 1331738162 342850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Greater London Urban Area is the second-largest in the EU with a population of 8,278,251,[24] while London's metropolitan area is the largest in the EU with an estimated total population of between 12 million[25] and 14 million.[26]" < 1331738169 702815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon the world will learn to fear the norwegian population singularity. < 1331738174 36664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quod. Erat. Demonstratnoiarniotdmuj < 1331738184 139100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah but is london's population _increasing_? < 1331738196 449788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ask the Conservatives < 1331738204 192083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ scathing political satire < 1331738220 39731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that we should kill all the Conservatives and also everyone else) < 1331738230 933050 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it would be exceedingly useful when you can't draw "edges" < 1331738235 355811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. subtle british humor. < 1331738238 860775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pls rate my attempt at diplomacy < 1331738246 78171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& neutrality & fairness < 1331738255 815730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1331738256 100272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331738339 397523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/London_Underground_full_map_complete.svg < 1331738341 549380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger than norway < 1331738454 101420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uk population facte. the london underground is actually the 147th largest city in th eworld , thanks to its 24/ 7 population . < 1331738454 743321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chesham, amersham, chalfont & latimer. < 1331738470 297525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norway is the 156th.) < 1331738477 161537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that could happen that hasnt happened is political territories having official textures for their representation on maps < 1331738483 712396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :big indeed, when my browser doesn't resize it. or even provide scrollbars. < 1331738501 670880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that would make maps even easier to read if you could associate a country or state with a texture pattern < 1331738515 49831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too big to be resized. < 1331738517 517134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ctrl - helps) < 1331738566 523948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by helps you mean "has no effect", i assume. < 1331738593 903171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i recall having to download an svg viewer separately in order to view mezzacotta. < 1331738714 191277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it works in chrome. < 1331738715 782113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably firefo. < 1331738716 333619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x. < 1331738718 784694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably everything but IE. < 1331738732 578319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll download an /svg viewer/ but not a better browser? < 1331738737 987281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also note that removing the .svg at the end does not lead me to the full page which you should have linked in the first place. < 1331738759 420232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORWEGIANS VERY INSECURE < 1331738764 257240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hear firefox is a memory hog, which means it will probably utterly kill my laptop. < 1331738775 454761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:London_Underground_full_map_complete.svg hth hand < 1331738789 572674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a rather outdated impression < 1331738807 867649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly firefox/chrome aren't going to use significantly more memory than IE at all (and perfectly likely less). < 1331738830 33381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(opera probably uses a tiny fraction, at the expense of sucking.) < 1331738923 308621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts having ideas but resists as best as i can to say more < 1331738955 139242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first degree of disclosure as it were, to merely indicate the existence of something that could be disclosed < 1331740013 178288 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think that K5 being nonplanor would prove that four is the maximum needed. < 1331740032 480516 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since for five colors to be needed, you would need five areas that all touch. < 1331740105 901581 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you had five non-overlapping areas that all touch, you could node and each edge as a connection between nodes, and have five points with non-crossing connections. < 1331740132 128682 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*could replace with a node and eash each with a connection between nodes < 1331740144 578532 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*could rrpalce each area with a node < 1331740475 937327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rrpalce areas with nodes all the time. < 1331740680 807751 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331740708 619367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: um you are wrong, plain and simple. K5 being nonplanar is trivial in comparison. < 1331740711 574925 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331740747 656438 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331740764 558923 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure nodes are used in place of areas in topology exactly because shape dones't matter. < 1331740792 697879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about No, I think that K5 being nonplanor would prove that four is the maximum needed. < 1331740812 520576 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so amI. < 1331740886 131074 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That and the fact that if you have two areas that are connected by an edge, you can put points in the areas and draw connections that go through the edges. < 1331740899 448842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if it came down to only one graph being planar or not, the four colour theorem would have been proved a lot earlier. < 1331740927 609905 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331740934 640119 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora needs "any linear combination of persons is a person" < 1331740977 401151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are you mister snuggles? < 1331741003 807200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what interests me in all this is how nintendo chips offered up 4 colours per tile region < 1331741081 55578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because yeah.. thats what i'm like.. moving along < 1331741182 105365 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1331741229 930011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: A SUSPICIOUSLY SLOW response. < 1331741447 436839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION conjectures that half of coppro is 1/3 of mr. snuggles.
< 1331741628 315721 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331741772 334276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, are _you_ mister snuggles? < 1331741784 331366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i dare you to email one of the lists saying you're mister snuggles. < 1331741791 27569 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :this channel is mister snuggles | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331741863 313671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know, they haven't told me < 1331741917 45188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're already subscribed to the backup lists, right? i'll, uhhh < 1331741920 132983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up sarcasm for a whole month < 1331741938 912229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be unfailingly nice and patient < 1331741940 682871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to EVERYBODY < 1331741964 253636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm subscribed to at least some of the backup lists, yes < 1331741982 931334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just tue and yoyo < 1331741993 671665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331742039 268417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am mister snuggles" is the small price for my kindness :P < 1331742049 223127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be lying! < 1331742078 547146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, such a strict regime would probably kill you. < 1331742090 884444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you, there is no way anyone could possibly prove a statement like that true or false before everyone gets sick of it all. < 1331742103 398865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're not a player, so there's nothing they can do other than not let you play :P < 1331742157 974880 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 BEHOLD < 1331742158 137333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that elliott seems to consider "no one can prove it" to have anything to do with whether to lie or not.
< 1331742182 615151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i call it "nomic" < 1331742195 988881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's not lying. mister snuggles does not claim to not be any player of agora < 1331742198 717281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell MDude You don't need to have "n areas that all touch" to need n colors. There are (admittedly nonplanar) triangle-free graphs of arbitrarily high chromatic number, and the planar W_5 (the 5+1-node wheel; a 5-cycle with a hub) doesn't contain K_4 but needs all four colors. < 1331742198 996717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331742203 231986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a staunch platonist back in my agora days... < 1331742205 895830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor any non-player! < 1331742225 794405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pfft, it's all about neo-pragtonism these days < 1331742252 250455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok i would also settle for "I am not mister snuggles.", which has the added benefit of being factually correct. < 1331742272 510430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be lying! < 1331742281 891423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1331742295 893031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have sent any emails from mr.snuglz@gmail.com in the past few months, it is not :P < 1331742309 629461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1331742326 551806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey were you around for the mousetrap? < 1331742336 242703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name rings a bell. < 1331742340 990617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: "A genius? A madman? A warlock? An emperor? A child? A hero?" < 1331742351 45711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I think "child". < 1331742364 250426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ LOOK AT THIS DARK WIT YOU COULD BE FORBIDDING ME FROM, OERJAN) < 1331742376 53052 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the interview < 1331742382 117493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on wednesday < 1331742395 732316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I note that one (1) person has tweeted that thing alreaddy. < 1331742397 465600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d < 1331742402 262527 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They tweet their own stuff. < 1331742408 687775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing happened < 1331742409 39279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S STILL A PERSON < 1331742419 286320 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331742420 838990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the mousetrap was that contract that bound people into it without agreeing to it. < 1331742423 565426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as a staunch platonist back in my agora days... < 1331742433 628842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Agoran Platonism work? < 1331742460 236837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Agoran. < 1331742463 123236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nomic platonism. < 1331742478 94037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr there is One True Gamestate in the sky, determined solely by application of the rules. < 1331742499 612314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The players must adhere to that gamestate or else be accused of playing Calvinball. < 1331742507 372619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why don't I just link you to the thesis. < 1331742534 315251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fall 1995 was mousetrap it seems < 1331742538 402939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ftp://ftp.cse.unsw.edu.au/pub/users/malcolmr/nomic/articles/agora-theses/lib-vanyel.html < 1331742563 408978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wtf. < 1331742573 658622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article reverses the definitions of platonism and pragmatism i am used to. < 1331742582 470786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most common source of debate seems to lie in the dichotomy between Platonist and Pragmatist interpretations. In the former case it may be assumed that if a Rule says an event shall occur, and doesn't, play can continue *as if* the event had happened as specified. In the Pragmatist view, however, any event which occurs late or not at all, or not as specified in the Rules, can not be retroactively "fixed"--one may only take the game state as i < 1331742582 784620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t is at the time, and try to work with what is there." < 1331742588 425677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not the right definition of pragmatism at all, is it? < 1331742605 885678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ah < 1331742611 522781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing, through a different lens < 1331742626 301158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i guess i was there then. i don't precisely remember more than the name. < 1331742668 222586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is ftp://ftp.cse.unsw.edu.au/pub/users/malcolmr/nomic/articles/agora-theses/lib-swann.html if you require details :P < 1331742697 497150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: red alert. < 1331742702 988847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathnerd is in #haskell. < 1331742715 185304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...whatever < 1331742728 436404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT THE RED ALERT PROCEDURE < 1331742731 431896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to ban everyone. < 1331742736 139255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1331742747 731357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, read those two theses, Agoran lore is great. < 1331742761 59628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I'm sure I've asked this before, but I must while we're on the subject -- what do you know of U.N.D.E.A.D.? < 1331742767 947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_ pi day, he should be allowed to roam then. ancient custom. < 1331742777 654752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings a bell, nothing more. < 1331742785 657420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what everyone says. or maybe just you < 1331743197 254693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feelings were compounded by an even worse example of timing: A new Player registered in the middle of the post-revelation controversy, and attempted a similar scam before the Mousetrap Compact was itself revealed. E was assured that the Mousetrap forbade this, and the new Player began angrily accusing the members of the Threat of lying about the Mousetrap's priority, e submitted es own CFJs, and eventually deregistered in disgust." < 1331743199 720313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the bestest bit < 1331743546 941895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1331743548 528624 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1331743548 957890 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: clearly yome hasn't been made yet. x_x my brother keeps on impersonating my on irc. none of the code < 1331743552 577691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sup < 1331743552 890511 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: some people have the problem. if nothing else. :p no idea how < 1331743555 38668 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yep < 1331743555 519834 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so i shouldn't expect that debian is any different from running lisp on the 370/ 158 stored its global environment in the world of warcraft < 1331743581 352072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PART :#esoteric < 1331743625 238387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1331743625 453617 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i don't really care either way now. < 1331743634 226368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feh < 1331743654 500298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1331743725 910421 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :This is likely the most important thing you will read all day: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331743752 838074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a peacefully short visit. < 1331744019 53089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION somehow read that as necromantic style
< 1331744044 480766 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331744053 44311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome myname < 1331744054 494113 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331744056 962918 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331744080 946198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not myname, that's yourname < 1331744096 701900 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had an idea for a language and thought i ask for opinions here < 1331744106 688161 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://188.40.240.103/files/spagoto.txt < 1331744147 333712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oerjan loves reviewing new languages < 1331744268 643557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1331744381 922457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I actually finished my school chemistry experiment today, I never thought I had it in me. < 1331744516 75487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do
s < 1331851304 507641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotated text might work < 1331851308 434942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it can be hovered over < 1331851322 466994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can be rotated with css) < 1331851412 622657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (now I'm thinking that might be a good idea...) < 1331851414 572254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i recently saw something about that, but i also read that it was one of things which strangely _only_ IE supported :P < 1331851421 608981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331851428 114597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course that may be outdated. < 1331851445 37020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read in the Wikipedia table help, i think) < 1331851471 342310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it works cross-browser nowaday < 1331851471 694694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1331851482 369004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be best is a slanted table heading, where the text is on a diagonal < 1331851488 703606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but CSS can't do things /that/ advanced, afaik < 1331851511 449691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforms should let you rotate it any which way you want, I think < 1331851848 601239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, but the table headings need to line up properly < 1331851861 778462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should attach to the top of the rows, and be "lined up" with each other < 1331851867 55229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1331851881 121185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if I rotated the text to be vertical then rotated the whole th it could work < 1331851934 919871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why isn't there a web interface to gcolour < 1331851996 188248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just proposed that < 1331851997 732930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shithead < 1331851998 937999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ban Phantom_Hoover < 1331852001 945107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331852214 603814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[{{#if: {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?article}} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?article}} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?name}} }} | {{User:ehird/sandbox/data|{{{1}}}|?name}}]] < 1331852220 782800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It takes eight minutes with my current "very polite" google-scripts, it's not exactly interactively-friendly, except maybe in a queue form. And the webserver probably doesn't have most of the things installed; I'm sure it doesn't have numpy. But yes, it's been proposed. < 1331852253 229145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in javascript, let it run on the user's computer instead? < 1331852264 667608 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoa, man, crazy esolang you've got there. < 1331852266 746838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/sandbox/table < 1331852268 155600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1331852271 823154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the *browser, I mean < 1331852292 502084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was imagining that there'd be a queue of requests-to-be-done that you could see, and if it's short enough you could add an entry. < 1331852307 29905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After filling out a CAPTCHA to prevent bots making it useless, I suppose.) < 1331852309 774479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's one way, but then the results don't end up shared. And JavaScript doesn't run numpy either. < 1331852316 985031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a big (searchable?) list of requests it's already done. < 1331852341 526429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittely there's not *that* much of the math.) < 1331852342 937322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course if you entered something that's already been done into the box it'd just send you there. (Maybe with a "refresh" link to re-add it to the queue if it's more than a few months old.) < 1331852348 389660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you could store all the historical versions too!!!! The best.) < 1331852364 883664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I'm not sure if JavaScript Math has modified Bessel functions of the first kind.) < 1331852365 111987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can put the results on your server without putting all the work there < 1331852374 450545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But then people could CHEAT. < 1331852383 85586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload it full of RED. < 1331852411 995762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it all chartreuse or thursday < 1331852424 895192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your month colours are surprisingly good. < 1331852452 482533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nostalgia = indifference. < 1331852459 570317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "July" is the way it is because most (all?) of the images are for July 4th fireworks; and all February results are Valentine's day -related. < 1331852475 747226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1331852483 616003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your menu might want to be position: fixed. < 1331852495 299145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very possible. < 1331852533 354310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should probably be keeping a list of notes.) < 1331852535 898305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you really have rights to redistribute https://gist.github.com/2017454#file_d3des.c? < 1331852538 871284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * These changes are: < 1331852539 33680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge. All Rights Reserved. < 1331852605 527081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw something BSDy about it, but I see I have not reproduced the license bit. < 1331852618 723869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's from some other VNC implementation, IIRC.) < 1331852718 561686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okey, http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/sandbox/table now looks like a thing. Except that it doesn't ever omit columns/rows when it should. < 1331852728 398091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have also forgotten to include d3des.h in the Gist. < 1331852738 577215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "may" I mean "". < 1331852747 631218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you sure that thing -- with its full README and many files -- is really Gist's intended audience? :p < 1331852753 846579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they have a larger version of Gists now, for actual projects. < 1331852780 979501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not violating anyone's rights if it's just in a "Gist". < 1331852855 40163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the Berne Convention begs to differ. < 1331852866 121734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, "not having rights" =/= "violating someone's rights".) < 1331852892 13603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all the links go to example.com < 1331852916 65708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, same d3des.c with not much about the license (with no comments in the other licensing bits, except "Parts of QEMU have specific licenses which are compatible -- each source file contains its own licensing information") is in qemu's trunk. < 1331852921 378076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, they do. < 1331852942 51182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Better: Let Fabrice Bellard: know. < 1331852976 955195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are they supposed to do that!!? < 1331852998 770658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Outerbridge would be spinning in his grave if he knew. (And was dead. (Is he dead?)) < 1331853010 372872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Outerbridge" sounds like a made-up name anyway! < 1331853029 779504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. < 1331853032 813956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an example.com. < 1331853203 666631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/File:Vimesmine.jpg < 1331853211 165435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst rendition of Vimes... ever? < 1331854054 632445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, the E.ON energy company is my only mental association with 'eon'. <-- my mental association with 'eon' is a norwegian comic that's essentially a bloom county clone < 1331854243 497007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second main character introduced in it was God, btw < 1331854364 875066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another nice character is a fundamentalist christian lady who keeps getting into battles with the main characters for their being heathen scum (and yes, that includes God) < 1331854380 286582 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331855951 381888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331856202 127614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doop woop < 1331856367 171408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331856674 40289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331856692 266091 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331856748 236402 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE1E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331857211 415041 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331858843 631902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331858946 898781 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331859501 864711 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331860595 974191 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331860884 954999 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331861191 579921 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331861500 113543 :augur!~augur@74.61.251.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331861736 533599 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331862532 132995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-115.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331862533 753456 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331862690 143879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1331863469 657692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HELP I BECAME A PERSON. < 1331863606 459703 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum told Puerto Ricans on Wednesday they would have to make English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution." < 1331863618 695196 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1331863625 920188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep it classy, man-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste. < 1331863854 691105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly reminder: the US not only has no official language, but there are 7 distinct official languages within the US's states and territories. < 1331863958 903082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English, French, Spanish, Samoan, Chamorro, Carolinian) < 1331863975 140656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and Hawaiian) < 1331864173 411739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't federal government stuff in United States always English, even if the individual states do not have to be English? < 1331864190 931477 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it isn't, how can they do something at all? < 1331864198 148374 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not by law. < 1331864256 710658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally no requirement at all for the federal government to do *anything* in English. Though the regulations of many departments include a *list* of languages that they publish in. < 1331864295 297082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the census is published in English, Spanish, Korean, Mandarin (with traditional characters), Vietnamese, and Tagalog. < 1331864343 427401 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in arizona, the racist state.. they passed a law mandating english only for all state functions..of course that can't include voting for any federal offices < 1331864371 331421 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it was a ballot proposition < 1331864431 701474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't there something like, the word "copyright" has to be written in English, or something like that? < 1331864473 240600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, probably not. < 1331864501 576919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US law is such that it entirely suffices to refer to things in a clear way. < 1331864532 239411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can get away with unclear references, it'll just be a bit of a pain for the court to deal with) < 1331864557 859824 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, if you so chose, write contracts with people in 100% Latin. < 1331864610 432676 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed to do taxes in roman numerals? < 1331864634 662090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Keep it classy, man-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste. < 1331864643 225224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was some kind of international law that requires the word "copyright" to always be written in English (except Quebec). < 1331864645 959388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santorum's name would be a lot funnier if the synonym wasn't explicitly started to mock him. < 1331864667 185270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "man-who-was-terrible-enough-that-his-name-became-synonymous-with-gay-sex-waste" is almost as bad, if wordier. < 1331864685 199276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually worse, since it implies actual wrongdoing rather than an unfortunate family name.) < 1331864713 432392 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's also no reason to say "copyright" on a copyrighted work. < 1331864715 72551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You don't have to write the word "copyright" at all, if you're referring to copyright notices. < 1331864717 734632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Snap. < 1331864726 664157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright is automatic; you have to opt out if you don't want it. < 1331864750 655958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think copyright notices have /any/ legal effect nowadays. < 1331864788 537751 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They have *some* legal effect. They document the source of the copyright claim. < 1331864812 618025 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they're required if you still want to register the copyright. < 1331864814 660866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, they are little more than metadata anymore. < 1331864845 439880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. But copyright registration itself does little more than make it easier to demonstrate the validity of your claim. < 1331864848 469094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I forget, is there any benefit at all to that? < 1331864849 289168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331864881 50158 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It also means your work will (hopefully) be archived by copyright office. < 1331864890 18408 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the USA, you can't seek statutory damages for an unregistered copyright, you can just request they stop violating it. < 1331864896 915330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I submit my 34573489537945 petabyte novel? < 1331864909 981221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I am extremely sceptical. < 1331864918 13668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That soudns like the kind of thing which used to be true and now isn't. < 1331864918 592521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You could probably still seek civil damages, though. < 1331864920 618982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sounds < 1331864932 457241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does the novel include not only text but also uncompressed 3D video? < 1331864939 476050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: HOW DID YOU GUESS?! < 1331864963 125522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. You need to register before filing suit at all. < 1331864973 406180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because, why else would it be 34573489537945 petabytes long? < 1331864974 473854 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can register at any time. < 1331864983 898625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you can register because you intend to sue. < 1331864985 798249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's true, yes. < 1331865059 589182 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/412 < 1331865100 2637 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you can still seek other damages, statutory damages are just a blanket per-work thing. < 1331865101 172100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I started believin' ya once pikhq said what he said. < 1331865107 560111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it kinda pointless :P < 1331865132 352431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, US copyright law is weird. < 1331865141 464906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all copyright law is. < 1331865188 858095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That might be why there are many different licenses, including licenses that tell it to expire the copyright early < 1331865192 266101 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright law is so simple in China. < 1331865198 218687 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes like this: "lol, who's gonna stop me?" < 1331865224 13750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag#MediaWiki_Interpreter meant to look like that? < 1331865224 254828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331865228 822184 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, they do have copyright law. < 1331865245 351283 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just purely unenforced for anything not Chinese. < 1331865264 678866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Also, "The above with comments removed for clarity:" I don't think you understand the purpose of comments. < 1331865264 938401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331865414 413880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada, there is a law that you are not allowed to play only a part of a Canadian song on the radio; you have to play the whole thing. So I want to make each bar is just called an optional extension to the previous one with a different copyright assignment for each one, then would the radio be allowed to play only part of it? < 1331865420 932712 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331865434 442495 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MSleep < 1331865558 979858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is that law for real? < 1331865591 72345 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing laws on Canadian media in Canada, it probably *is*. < 1331865616 162245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes that is the law of the CRTC. < 1331865634 476533 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know that, for instance, there's laws mandating that a certain percentage of everything on the air must be Canadian. < 1331865651 926075 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why there *exists* Canadian TV shows) < 1331865686 261401 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Corner Gas is great! :( < 1331865734 325113 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying they wouldn't exist without those laws. < 1331865767 56040 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not for them, well, Canadian TV stations would just be US syndicates. < 1331865770 394131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is true. But many Canadian radio and television are good, anyways. I think it is good thing that the CBC is required to do that; but I think it is a stupid law in other cases < 1331865791 823916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=6815 OMG HACKED < 1331865826 867627 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331865836 884684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've heard some horror stories wrt very mediocre Canadian bands getting played incessantly on the radio because of those laws. < 1331865847 91154 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Canadian does a TV show have to be to be considered Canadian? < 1331865860 692655 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's edited in Canada but filmed in Hollywood, is that good enough? < 1331865867 900335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion those laws should only apply to the CBC and not to everyone. < 1331865876 327906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Made worse by the knowledge that there's some really good Canadian bands. < 1331865885 778398 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I dunno. < 1331865904 526233 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But I will tell you that many shows get filmed in Canada just because it's cheaper. < 1331865918 125089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Vancouver is popular nowadays. < 1331866002 59186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CANADA: Cheap USA < 1331866019 28317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck Nickleback) < 1331866277 724568 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331866450 677323 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331866539 637944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nickelback PROPER RENDERING OF THE NAME IS MANDATORY < 1331866977 855012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickelbakc < 1331867150 298941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331867713 593537 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331869982 300353 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331870282 594698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331870320 448814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha championofbirds is loading really slowly. I've sent such a torrent of traffic, the site just can't keep up! < 1331870591 538872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Loads quickly here. < 1331871211 982939 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was only slow for a minute apparently. < 1331871424 88214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How often are you checking, exactly? < 1331871481 888705 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked seconds before I wrote that, then minutes later to see if it was still slow. < 1331871489 965329 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, after you wrote your line. < 1331871539 132203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331871543 219013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1331872098 792083 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331872124 897932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331872139 436756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331874360 351540 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331874592 918405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those who may have heard me talking about www.baldursgate.com but haven't heard about it since (I don't know if that's anybody :P)... < 1331874614 205362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was official. Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, coming this summer. < 1331874626 449834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Baldur's Gate a boring game? < 1331874758 139313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I was going to check that two hours after fizzie mentioned it. < 1331874760 459285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But NO, I forgot. < 1331874867 80669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/#!/TrentOster Here, have fun. < 1331874936 148971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Trent Oster is cofounder of Beamdog, the company doing BG:EE, and before that was a cofounder of Bioware.) < 1331875438 563574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the fun < 1331877098 421293 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Apparently Ulrich is no longer the glibc maintainer. < 1331877381 341535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331877474 359379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: src? < 1331877484 16003 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commit log shows him basically no longer making substantial commits, and he appears to have been pulled from the bugzilla... http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/describecomponents.cgi?product=glibc These used to all be assigned to Ulrich. < 1331877497 179699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing official, but seriously, it's like he just fell off the project. < 1331877605 718766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bugs along the lines of "this hyperoptimised assembly version of function X is incorrect" get fixed instead of a "no it's not" response now. < 1331877760 863396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was fired. < 1331877818 311620 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His last substantial commit was Jan. 31. < 1331877823 149831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, from Red Hat.) < 1331877890 264561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He left Red hat in 2010. < 1331877912 119106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1331877924 842134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is now VP, Technology Division at Goldman Sachs. < 1331878117 585654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mailing list is now flooded with breakage fix. < 1331878555 153944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone even use glibc? < 1331878560 858841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahah*. The guy with most of the recent commits, Joseph Myers, is/was the eglibc maintainer. < 1331878639 223738 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :egglibc < 1331879282 137977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip eglibc < 1331879307 220983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov %rip, eglibc < 1331879610 235601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no encoding for that! < 1331879709 350624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea 0(%rip), %rax; mov %rax, eglibc. < 1331879768 28178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T syntax sucks. < 1331879840 464859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, I actually think zem.fi looks pretty nice, apart from the 5,000 things wrong with it which are because you are of Finnish intelligence. (Didn't want you to get the wrong impression.) < 1331879850 994416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need some kind of stamp. "OKAY - FOR A FINN". < 1331879885 513665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, AT&T syntax is *nasty*. < 1331879910 176542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disp(base, index, scale)? *eeew* < 1331879935 706830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And to think that I wrote all the HTNL by speaking to a speech recognition system. (Not really.) < 1331879956 983015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[base + index*scale + disp] < 1331879962 906451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which syntax do you prefer then? < 1331879972 191895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You made a mistake: "HTNL". It should be: "HTML". < 1331879975 75470 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Intel syntax. < 1331879980 148831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try enunciating more precisely so your speech recognition software does not get confused. < 1331879985 113460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is of Finnish intelligence.) < 1331880001 558883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be the one used in the DOS and Windows assemblers) < 1331880005 301403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the syntax similar to the DOS DEBUG program < 1331880038 869867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with some differences < 1331880057 685580 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is Intel syntax. < 1331880064 849591 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that's intel syntax < 1331880074 587389 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-16.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331880123 370865 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331880313 527998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about when you want just [disp + scale*index] and have to write disp(,index,scale)? Or when you want to call [eax] but it's written call *%eax instead? Or [a couple more examples I collected but have now forgotten]? < 1331880361 977347 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaah. < 1331880394 821535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the argument swap always screws me up. < 1331880502 458469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember when Vorpal was all "oh no AT&T syntax is much easier" and you said [disp + scale*index] (or something of the sort) and he was all "WTF DOES THAT MEAN???" and then you were like "It's disp(,index,scale)" and he was all "WELL NOW IT'S OBVIOUS"? < 1331880510 741219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is that AT&T syntax is dumb. < 1331880512 454570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a x86 assembler once. < 1331880668 960674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iQNG < 1331880705 358966 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is public domain < 1331880822 680715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its own syntax and only creates raw binaries, it doesn't make EXE headers or anything else like that. < 1331880844 481116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can specify the offset at which it loads into memory. < 1331880868 920738 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So, it could just barely make Linux a.out binaries. < 1331880883 988494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some instructions are missing, although most of them are there. You can fix it if you want to. < 1331880906 672398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All real mode instructions are present, however. Some protected mode instructions are missing.) < 1331880924 77961 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it should do just fine for COM. < 1331880938 875244 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it works fine for COM. < 1331880953 437957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out can be raw? < 1331880957 111981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has macros, so it might be possible to use macros for encoding some kind of header formats. < 1331880988 137926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could hack it. a.out is *nearly* raw. < 1331881062 145303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331881102 108093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you've got an 8 word header and then your stuff. < 1331881121 548945 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more if your code is going to be dynamic linked, but... Really? Why bother.) < 1331882328 678389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to write protected mode programs you probably need to fix it to work with all of the protected instructions. < 1331882338 895350 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331882364 29835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hack together a dynamically linked ELF executable in a binary-producing assembler too, it's not like it'd be anything else than bytes. < 1331882372 182241 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331882729 91656 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331882853 243448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. It's not even *that* hard. < 1331882861 396267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF data structures aren't terribly complex. < 1331882873 156751 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1331882885 50783 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time I talked about personal stuff in here? < 1331882889 407809 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while, right? < 1331882894 144403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so. < 1331882896 381226 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, I'm not about to give you updates) < 1331882954 309525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is talking about talking about your personal stuff the new talking about your personal stuff? < 1331883168 776230 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331883595 492170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331884503 664693 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331886479 107402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, update < 1331889370 731689 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.lulz.net/src/PEnsd.gif < 1331890404 650986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331890408 81821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331891815 433233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if today's xkcd has a hidden meaning or if the incomprehensibility is the _entire_ point.
< 1331891966 345560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both! < 1331891966 636410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331891970 661681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331891970 904158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 7h 25m 42s ago: is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag#MediaWiki_Interpreter meant to look like that? < 1331891971 91819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 25m 1s ago: Also, "The above with comments removed for clarity:" I don't think you understand the purpose of comments. < 1331892085 178142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott yes, it is meant to look at that, and the implementation of the interpreter puts junk comments in its output, so removing them does indeed make it clearer < 1331892085 443678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331892092 802580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott *like < 1331892093 98283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331892673 578130 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331892755 946137 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331892800 629044 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-99.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331893666 448101 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331895246 560344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a game in seven hours called "KING" that at first at ask you a difficulty level and gives you description of your character such as "You have red scales, seven eyes, and no feet" and then the goal of the game is to collect 100 stones to become king. < 1331895348 867923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use the stones to fight (although you might lose the stones if you do that), and there are also potions. < 1331895503 675372 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49064620/2012-03-16_05.33.15.png < 64 bit random access ROM in Minecraft~ < 1331895513 541655 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to make actual random access memory < 1331895569 942709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"random access ROM"? so it's both ROM and RAM /simultaneously/? < 1331895637 358570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that RAM is a bit of a weird name for what it's usually used for
< 1331895821 671839 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331895878 555834 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's ROM that can be randomly accessed. < 1331895889 84804 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike piston tapes, etc) < 1331895931 328145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_true_ random access memory: you access a random bit each time. < 1331895985 861264 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331896013 886181 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROM just means read-only, and RAM just means random-access, so really there's nothing preventing it from being both ... in fact, most real ROM is RAROM I suppose. < 1331896184 400612 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDDDDDRRARWM < 1331896195 541192 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331896324 333183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's a really bad throat you've got, maybe you should see a doctor < 1331896424 568300 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One who gives good throat? < 1331896522 441248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Jafet -----###
< 1331896552 105414 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION phlegms.
< 1331896565 391384 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331897097 818349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a game on my computer, where the first sentence of the READ.ME file says: "BIS (Bugs In Space!) is a text-adventure style game (similar to Rogue or Hack)." That is untrue--it is not a text-adventure style game nor is it similar to Rogue or Hack. < 1331897149 167226 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor are text-adventure style games similar to Rogue or Hack. < 1331897173 933397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1331897183 312259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit in space < 1331897427 869512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game pieces include walls which cannot be moved through (although no points are lost for trying), water (which also cannot be moved through, but you lose ten points for trying), boulders (which can be pushed into water to make land), diamonds (worth 100 points when collected), hearts (also worth 100 points when collected -- no different to diamonds), food (can be collected but has no effect) < 1331897462 449013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reach the next level, you have to go into the house < 1331897548 64754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are "good arrows" which point to the left, and can be collected to shoot (W for short-range, F for long-range); and "bad arrows" which point up and down. < 1331897798 618998 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other pieces include keys, doors, mirrors (have the same appearance as your piece, but otherwise act like walls), invisible walls, monster freezers, "Strong You" (the description is "can't move; keeps track of lives"), diamond makers (actually they make hearts as well), question marks (which become a random object when touched), flashing lights that kill you if touched, swappers, and holes. < 1331897841 134382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you win the game it displays the message: "YOU WIN! YOU WIN! YOU WIN! You have found $200 and the Tetro pieces of Ixi-Bixis" (I don't know what that is). < 1331898141 863019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, for fun, I tried reading the EULA of some shovelware games that came with Windows when I bought the computer < 1331898148 893213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't actually /accept/ it, of course) < 1331898163 204784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things, it allowed them to modify it at any time simply by posting that they were doing so on their website < 1331898170 193361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disallowed you from uninstalling the software < 1331898179 956100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be pretty surprised if it were enforceable… < 1331898336 455395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I didn't uninstall it, i just ground its bits to dust with dd" < 1331898486 552918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331898865 152174 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331899433 182535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they also disallowed you directly or indirectly removing bits of it < 1331899477 861298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, you see, the bits are still _there_. i'm sure the NSA could read them _just_ fine... < 1331899547 573975 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt such thing is valid especially if the software game with the computer < 1331899738 732318 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331899761 359715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it did, but it wanted you to accept the EULA before doing anything but putting up an EULA acceptance dialog < 1331899846 927245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: re the topic, we really need to start an esolang programmer interviews section < 1331899855 234462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they weren't being interviewed about esolangs < 1331899872 382311 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1331900009 378681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm having problems trying to work out who was trolling in that interview < 1331900011 232747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly both of you < 1331900068 230121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it count as trolling if it's almost entirely for humor in the first place. < 1331900112 106747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why don't i use question marks any longer. < 1331900158 533634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan>.*[?]$ < 1331900173 778825 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28391 < 1331900204 843465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah too long < 1331900215 645186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*\?$ < 1331900244 618497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there were plenty of hits in 2007... :P < 1331900248 694528 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331900254 675469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*\?$ < 1331900273 801640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-07.txt:22:51:43: Gregor: the third source comic link on that lonely dino strip is not working. also, why the heck are you going via google? < 1331900284 64633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 2009 < 1331900307 546868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LONG AGO < 1331900317 128735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastelogs < 1331900319 707801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ \ pasterandom() { \ if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \ echo "No." \ exit \ fi \ for i in $(seq "$1"); do \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ done | paste \ } \ \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ pasterandom "$1" \ else \ lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" < 1331900351 713849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/pastelogs | tail < 1331900354 981769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | head -n 301) \ { \ echo "$lines" | head -n 300 \ [ $(echo "$lines" | wc -l) -eq 301 ] && echo "[too many lines; stopping]" \ } | paste \ fi \ else \ pasterandom 40 \ fi \ < 1331900385 755533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1331900502 863768 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331903390 964724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331906019 485313 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sick of netpbm's make script stopping on "pnmtopng.c:2795: error: 'ZLIB_VERSION' undeclared (first use in this function)" under OS X. Can anyone help? < 1331906137 394964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have zlib installed? < 1331906150 176891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, is it looking at the right headers to find it? < 1331906152 862167 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I do < 1331906164 619329 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be < 1331906197 157321 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331906468 30590 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1331906514 382849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be assuming that automatically includes . I guess that's reasonable, but I'm not entirely sure it's explicitly guaranteed. < 1331907313 762073 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331907468 703864 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331907685 720902 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331908082 535331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Chess And Umbrella-Twirling Made Easy < 1331909062 672005 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331909478 575842 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, I'm having problems trying to work out who was trolling in that interview // I believe the only valid answer is "both of us" < 1331909499 974543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, indeed < 1331909546 822899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating how read-only and random-access are treated as mutually exclusive concepts < 1331909688 901003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1331909717 213487 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possible naming system is RM read memory / RWM read write memory < 1331909725 363589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be stupid < 1331909870 792130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1331914601 154450 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331914693 400794 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331915429 680257 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, are you volunteering to be interviewer? X-D < 1331915441 673063 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For esoprogrammer interviews, that is) < 1331915451 431983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, but probably not < 1331915470 68316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more referencing that Keymaker and I had been interviewed too < 1331915504 285514 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But neither directly related to esolangs, no? < 1331915529 648079 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331915613 123129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331915627 556707 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331916009 898979 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331916455 238763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacha Baron Cohen is English. < 1331916455 507769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331916463 206646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W H A T < 1331917304 350275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think he was canadia? < 1331917411 151614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott MOST SHOCKING TWIST YET < 1331917411 429953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331917421 897952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no, I just never thought he'd be English? < 1331917837 264410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: isn't the whole /point/ that he's white and English and tries to emphasise that he isn't at every opportunity? < 1331917876 141565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but I know next to nothing about him. < 1331917976 664758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main defining feature of his comedy < 1331918042 896811 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331918117 405358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could forgive someone thinking he wasn't though, considering he speaks hebrew fluently. if someone said "israeli" i'd say it was more plausible than not. < 1331918348 546209 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331918362 404954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331919057 267428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, What would you say defines a "rogue like"? Does it have to be turn based for example? < 1331919069 112116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess I should highlight ais523 for that question) < 1331919119 422841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there have been debates over the definition < 1331919135 658610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a definition that people came up with at a roguelike conference, but it's generally considered imperfect < 1331919149 326862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1331919182 338381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, got a link or anything useful for googling that? < 1331919232 227102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/Berlin_Interpretation < 1331919241 261977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1331919329 517386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty vague definition, okay < 1331919346 956828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm do you know any game you would consider rogue like that isn't turn based? < 1331919372 396465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelunky? < 1331919379 478570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've often wished it were turn-based, though < 1331919385 326356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it *googles* < 1331919386 698424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surprising given that it's a platformer < 1331919399 772482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as a roguelike < 1331919409 427352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... I don't see how a turn based platformer would even work :D < 1331919428 183633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything pauses when you're not moving < 1331919438 756210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like world 4 of Braid < 1331919443 565675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1331919494 259366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I would call world 4 of Braid turn based. For example you don't need to provide input to move (if you are falling) < 1331919549 438912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but that's just logical. the game realized that your input would not change the outcome, and so just ran turns until it would again < 1331919566 745506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can move as much as you want during a turn, by bouncing up and down. So each "player" (you or a mob) doesn't take a turn moving < 1331919585 648216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, oh but it would. You could move sideways when falling after all < 1331919596 705388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1331919598 539995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in most platformers (unrealistic of course) < 1331919607 664466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, yeah, you'd want to be able to pause midair too < 1331919623 591793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could just go back in time of course < 1331919624 222365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the motion scheme should be DROD-like < 1331919629 445814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :DROD? < 1331919649 850718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone moves at once when you press a key < 1331919665 300288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps DROD is a rogue-like < 1331919675 221807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh DROD is a game? < 1331919703 707391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331919709 381927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :DROD does not have randomized levels < 1331919714 57013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that disqualify it? < 1331919721 595492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1331919738 264752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on how much else it manages to do < 1331919803 127978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is definitely a dungeon-crawler < 1331919811 803548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots of environmental features < 1331919828 220210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some items to collect < 1331919839 884516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much in the way of RPG-style stats tho < 1331919851 933767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all enemies can be killed just by touching them with the sword < 1331919861 610499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its more of a puzzler < 1331919909 761843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I was wondering if a twin stick shooter style real time combat "rogue like" would be fun. Saw some game trailer slightly along those lines some time ago (didn't catch the name) but it didn't seem to have resource management and so on anyway. But it got me thinking anyway. It did have random levels though < 1331920042 154604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is just nethack, but the rogue likes I can think of doesn't have much in the way of quests. Sure nethack has the main quest. And then there is the class quest, but that is required for the main quest anyway. But not a lot of side quests really. < 1331920042 691601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something like Gun Bros? < 1331920053 69642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not sure what that one is *googles* < 1331920078 320041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacks wikipedia page? Or search engine just messing with me? < 1331920097 790364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, okay it lacks wikipedia page, what is it < 1331920113 346995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnDzMTCFtNs < 1331920185 833611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does lack resource management...health is the the only thing you have to maintain. there are some specials you can buy, but the main point is avoiding getting hit/shot while killing everything < 1331920203 858967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh an iphone game, no idea about the controls on such a thing. On console it is one analogue stick to move and one to aim. On PC it is usually wasd to move and mouse to aim < 1331920231 251642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its two virtual sticks. you can se them in the bottom left and right corners < 1331920249 200353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of the guys computer controlled? < 1331920297 412845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331920307 276996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely useless too < 1331920310 270802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dies a lot < 1331920315 956515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like a particularly fun game that one < 1331920333 918687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be approximately what you described < 1331920343 151957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but the controls must be terrible < 1331920356 956957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :controls are completely intuitive < 1331920358 445602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think you need the precision of a PC mouse for that type of game. < 1331920361 328118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you have in mind? < 1331920381 729545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm questioning weather you get the required precision with those controls < 1331920424 535102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as sensitive to precision issues as a FPS, but still < 1331920425 528970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no trouble placing myself and hitting what i'm aiming at. haven't played in a while though cuz its one of those real-money=virtual-upgrades games < 1331920447 967332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that type of game < 1331920496 869197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, other than controls, what did you have in mind < 1331920539 535991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the resource management of nethack, and possibly not using guns. Would work just fine with magic < 1331920579 919522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why realtime and not continuous-time-turn-based as ais described? < 1331920608 822522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to require quick reactions < 1331920616 407853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just stand there < 1331920631 583387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're still gonna have permanent death? < 1331920633 696827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you might also be interested in http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=What_a_roguelike_is < 1331920633 958425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, also stealth elements might be interesting. Not sure how that would work with a top down or isometric perspective though. < 1331920646 86423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /really/ like stealth games) < 1331920646 928057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ADOM is a really quest-heavy roguelike < 1331920650 961209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1331920655 445648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played ADOM < 1331920671 622561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :played nethack, slashem, a little bit of angband (forgot which variant, was years ago) < 1331920678 953077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADOM is somewhat spoiler-heavy < 1331920684 414359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, closed-source < 1331920687 237537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331920693 471487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler-heavy? < 1331920715 155056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway a rogue like definitely doesn't need ASCII graphics. < 1331920720 745406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331920726 28238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need any single one of the factors < 1331920727 153333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at Dungeons of Dredmor (sp?) < 1331920737 154112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /that/ needs ASCII graphics ;) < 1331920741 629223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1331920742 77379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least, a better camera angle) < 1331920745 19307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1331920749 58507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is oblique I think < 1331920754 345965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not really such a good angle < 1331920767 760409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometric usually looks nicer < 1331920794 905934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about a first person rogue like < 1331920851 747334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't think of a rogue like without at least an option for permadeath though < 1331920864 525944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slaughtering loads of enemies < 1331920873 261204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a second person rogue-like? where you can only ever see your character's face and what's immediately behind him? < 1331920890 195490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever heard of a second person game... < 1331920891 37381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331920903 264695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose your own adventure books are typically second person < 1331920907 808417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1331921034 926897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think you might need some sort of turn based system, at least as long as you have hunger. Without hunger you could pause in a safe position when trying to figure out where to go. Same with turn based (easily) < 1331921041 544490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not so much with real time hunger < 1331921275 424370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spelunky doesn't have hunger, but sometimes an area you thought was safe isn't (slow-moving monster catches up to you, etc) < 1331921283 904414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331921305 65567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331921460 978829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331921589 671897 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331921596 174185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331921668 95815 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1331921958 847294 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1331923107 892933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331923637 505857 :mniip!~Mniip@wn1nat29.beelinegprs.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1331923692 726265 :mniip!~Mniip@wn1nat29.beelinegprs.ru PART :#esoteric < 1331925224 71723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-235.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1331926921 391186 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331927615 697860 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-235-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331927744 334528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-225-209.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331928091 8125 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-225-209.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331928325 824958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331928933 646221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:56:55: * oerjan wonders if today's xkcd has a hidden meaning or if the incomprehensibility is the _entire_ point. < 1331928933 888656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331928942 933035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan are you aware of the standard meaning of "keying a car"? < 1331928943 263895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331929283 560290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:14: lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | head -n 301) \ { \ echo "$lines" | head -n 300 \ [ $(echo "$lines" | wc -l) -eq 301 ] && echo "[too many lines; stopping]" \ } | paste \ fi \ else \ pasterandom 40 \ fi \ < 1331929283 760417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:45: hmph < 1331929288 923482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan do you want a --tail option? < 1331929289 190584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331929325 475315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:30:51: I'm not sure, but probably not < 1331929325 637241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:31:10: I was more referencing that Keymaker and I had been interviewed too < 1331929325 637374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:31:44: But neither directly related to esolangs, no? < 1331929329 619163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It was for esolangs. < 1331929348 855568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By [[User:Rottytooth]], who is a digital artist thing: http://danieltemkin.com/) < 1331929434 874435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://danieltemkin.com/blog/post/Interview-with-Keymaker.aspx http://danieltemkin.com/blog/post/Interview-with-ais523.aspx < 1331929557 93828 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"St. Patricks Day 'Fight Brain Cancer while Killing Brain Cells' Dance Party" :D < 1331929663 772795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, you are a) American and b) have used the words "Saint", "Patrick's" and "Day" adjacently. < 1331929667 188434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get. Out. < 1331929767 63613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The title of this article is incorrect because of technical limitations. There should be no title." < 1331929773 830242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorely tempted to hide the

on [[TLWNN]]. < 1331929830 198084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLWNN, pronounced as it as spelt. < 1331929854 50087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's Welsh.) < 1331930704 517589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331930753 765328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331930789 342574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331930789 706622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 30m 46s ago: are you aware of the standard meaning of "keying a car"? < 1331930789 868426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 25m ago: do you want a --tail option? < 1331930798 516722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and that would be nice. < 1331930849 192750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ideally it should take a date range of sorts... < 1331930902 751081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so that's what it means. < 1331930914 740520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-2.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331931005 26807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's still not funny < 1331931008 346252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it makes some sense :P < 1331931012 108025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1331931024 752430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as date range goes: i'm not paid that much < 1331931062 339752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well what about allowing that ????-??-?? glob used in it to be passed as an argument? < 1331931118 513947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok < 1331931125 297902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have to make it go through shell expansion though < 1331931129 334211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to HackEgo's argument pasing < 1331931138 733250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the different directory) < 1331931145 997761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how to do that < 1331931151 941915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe echo $1 < 1331931179 267204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well `run pastelogs 'myregexp' '????-??-??' would be good enough for this rare use? < 1331931203 384279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that still expands a few things < 1331931207 974841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't think you understand. < 1331931218 369006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to get the shell to expand that ????-??-?? string given < 1331931234 960389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run blah='*'; echo $blah < 1331931239 697934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin canary karma lib paste quotes share wisdom < 1331931242 639326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that works. < 1331931251 246285 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331931344 413928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understand shell expansion even less than you do, obviously < 1331931391 917256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/pastelogs < 1331931394 824738 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelogs < 1331931408 847484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's the bash for "this variable or this string if it's not set" < 1331931410 547038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :${foo:bar}? < 1331931415 315911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bash/sh/ < 1331931507 630535 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331931679 15968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331931898 61736 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331931916 44133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am sorely tempted to hide the

on [[TLWNN]]. <-- it's for a good cause, right? < 1331931974 451970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do it if it started "The language with no name is a ..." rather than "'''The Language With No Name''' is a ...", which explicitly gives it a name. < 1331932099 992992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that on the first page of google hits for "the nameless one", nearly all hits have the words capitalized. < 1331932162 821629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many are related to Planescape: Torment? < 1331932181 104792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few, I see. < 1331932210 542412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this still holds true up to page 4 < 1331932325 252405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually didn't know about that character, i was just remembering a similarly named villain from the Torg roleplaying game, which i played way back < 1331932378 627925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that game people here like. < 1331932385 821984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... the Finns at least. < 1331932409 117501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that game essentially died after a few years, i think. < 1331932423 371928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean Planescape: Torment. < 1331932425 732274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didn't play it for long myself though.) < 1331932432 777990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game's story begins when The Nameless One wakes up in a mortuary.[4][18] He is immediately approached by a floating skull, Morte, who offers advice on how to escape." < 1331932433 919056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURN BACK < 1331932435 181734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUURN BACK < 1331932438 340031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARKNESS WILL ENVELOP YOU < 1331932505 133192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wasn't expecting you to be speaking about Torg, as i said i think it essentially died. < 1331932527 210426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this was a pen and paper RPG, i hear you need to mention that nowadays :P < 1331932546 931412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from DMM) < 1331932558 41432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets off oerjan's lawn.
< 1331932741 604245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's in eternal "too be revived" mode < 1331932744 783270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1331933272 34481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I shold play "Tales of Monkey Island". < 1331933283 625654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if those quote marks are incorrect. < 1331933284 607376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should < 1331933347 91215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the term "noncomposite" sometimes used in mathematics? < 1331933357 949916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 1 and primes are noncomposite < 1331933555 818336 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is subprime? < 1331933804 285118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :composite mortgages < 1331933836 734509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first played Maniac Mansion on NES i loved it... < 1331933851 751736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the catchy music helped too < 1331933902 41068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our neighbor, my brother and i would camp around the tv ringing up the nintendo hotline trying to find solutions to puzzles < 1331933980 486365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't until much much later i learned it was made with SCUMM and the rest of that story < 1331934237 317403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without which the precious Monkey Island wouldn't exist < 1331934292 730538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can prime and composite be generalized to other monoids? < 1331934534 686354 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "composite" is something made from two things not identity < 1331935535 858683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/qzz3f/scumbag_fromintegral/ dlf;dlsdf;sdf kill kill kill < 1331935578 579034 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331935647 820544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :killl < 1331935699 136847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses: it's an adviceanimals invader?
< 1331935703 481283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331935718 156261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a scumbag thing it's just fry < 1331935718 537845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1331935719 345663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title < 1331935720 662119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1331935721 97612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1331935721 492193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1331935721 801262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1331935722 718425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense < 1331935724 713015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its < 1331935726 879072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1331935728 883548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst < 1331935730 886131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :post < 1331935732 889092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1331935746 931789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um fry is the "can't tell if ... or ..." one, right < 1331935759 461128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1331935767 892911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't actually fit that format. < 1331935794 36117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331935797 708784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a troll, i guess < 1331935816 856712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, user account history suggests just stupid. < 1331935839 968302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1331935887 259380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed a space. < 1331935928 87669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was intentional to mean that wasn't really sarcastic < 1331935984 146793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed it was intentional. i was "trolling" you so that u mad. < 1331935998 349221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should hire Dr. Dan Streetmentioner to clarify these differences. < 1331936042 265086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umad? < 1331936052 51822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to name my firstborn umad < 1331936084 279596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umad ibn Elliott al Rashid < 1331936226 597566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linkedin.com/pub/umad-malik/27/32/844 < 1331936287 904937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he mad < 1331936349 423690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331936532 391582 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331936792 997150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wish me luck < 1331936793 158818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331936923 210319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep '^\*' Language_list | sed 's/^\* \[\[:\?//; s/|.*//; s/\]\]$//' | grep -v '^Category:' >langlist < 1331937035 188352 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331937275 58505 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1331937468 501300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331937483 514082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++" Batman!") . take 48 . cycle . show) (0/0) < 1331937485 122406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!" < 1331937514 373245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(new HWN) < 1331937735 355727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: guess what this is: http://sprunge.us/BTgd < 1331937767 444323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm there is some brokenness there < 1331937780 237477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best way to get all the _non-common_ lines from two files... < 1331937780 769130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging from the logs, a diff between Language list and Category:Languages < 1331937783 972990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which file they're in) < 1331937787 909715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color is #NanNanNan", said gcolor to me while I was fiddling with it. < 1331937803 175850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or probably #NaNNaNNaN.) < 1331938215 673369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. that color < 1331938326 859042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would a bot in here that announces wiki changes be nice. < 1331938339 602670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we can judge that since the r g and b components all = NaN then it's a shade, or is it possible NaN a =/= NaN b < 1331938395 229354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1331938397 867878 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1331938428 428178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9743991/simple-random-number-generation/9744888#9744888 the worst possible answer to this question. < 1331938604 362674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Xorshift to generate random numbers. But, METAFONT has another algorithm for random numbers, too. < 1331938747 868981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dont want to pry into personal life, just seeking advice.. so if you wanted to get away from chat for a few hours while at home, what would you do? < 1331938776 661425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Turn it off. < 1331938782 692125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what? < 1331938818 283578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, read a book, play a computer game, write a computer program, or sleep. < 1331938828 681573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or eating. < 1331938858 391786 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-145.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331938863 906135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you ever expect to do more than these things while at home? < 1331938875 464928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recall that Haskell is a language free of side effects." < 1331938885 915892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loving the conflation of referential transparency and side effects. < 1331938905 171102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes I would expect to do more than these things while at home. I am just giving a few examples. < 1331938911 334264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cool < 1331938927 885524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, sometimes I play Dungeons & Dragons game. < 1331938999 593805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand my own life really. < 1331939020 541940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :61.250.80.133 - - [16/Mar/2012:22:55:50 +0000] "GET /user/soapCaller.bs HTTP/1.1" 404 142 "-" "Morfeus Fucking Scanner" < 1331939020 740590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1331939026 327322 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as it's possible for a novice to not understand the game of tictactoe they're playing.. < 1331939044 781975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an outside observer can see whats going on with it < 1331939072 357812 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all feels quite random to me < 1331939110 159036 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the learned helplessness talking, unless i subconciously know that and am just pretending to have learned helplessness < 1331939136 370213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $ grep -ic 'morfeus fucking' zem.fi-access.log < 1331939136 536545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :287 < 1331939168 388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, "Morfeus Fucking Scanner" is a pretty badass name. < 1331939181 845409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but I'm not sure how to group it. < 1331939199 721031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is it Morfeus (Fucking Scanner) or is it just Fucking for emphasis. < 1331939220 127543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking is the middle name. < 1331939226 660441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morfeus F. Scanner in polite company. < 1331939231 131109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1331939236 25579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Morfeus Fucking Scanner really "does" polite company. < 1331939259 403532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes Morfeus F. (or Uncle Fuck) goes for /index2.php?_REQUEST[option]=com_content&_REQUEST[Itemid]=1&GLOBALS=&mosConfig_absolute_path=http://makina.org/sugarfree/1.gif?/ or others instead, it seems. < 1331939259 565641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: would a bot in here that announces wiki changes be nice. <-- hm why not. < 1331939264 341642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a poker game with Pokemon cards. You play like Texas Hold'em, using a deck that does not contain any basic energy cards. After the betting is finished, each player gets a duplicate of all five community cards, and the two cards in their hand, become their initial hand. You can then bid on basic energy cards the remainder of your starting draw pile. < 1331939292 690552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://makina.org/sugarfree/1.gif ;; aww, 404. < 1331939299 84900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That must be something trying to exploit PHP register_globals isn't it? < 1331939301 208740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even http://makina.org/sugarfree/ is 404. < 1331939324 42267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it would be fun if we got a spam wave < 1331939339 841955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a la Ejuzarih) < 1331939360 729073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Likely something like that. There's also another doing /?_SERVER[DOCUMENT_ROOT]=http://87.119.200.140/include/template/templates_c/1.gif?/ which I think is also trying to trick some server to act as an open proxy. < 1331939466 222755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would be the learned helplessness talking [...] <-- this reminds of that recent link on mezzacotta: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ar2/biased_pandemic < 1331939501 426067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my idea of Ibtlfmm allowing the main to be of any type instead of only IO? (but to make a standalone executable it still has to be either (IO ()) or (unsafe "c_int(c_int,c_char**)"), otherwise you can make a dynamically loadable file but not a standalone executable) < 1331939511 469473 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331939591 757042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the computer has "int" being 32-bits and "char" being 8-bits, then you can also use (unsafe "i32(i32,i8**)") as the type of main) < 1331939739 584227 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-145.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331939739 784693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1331939776 716551 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-122.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331939997 118853 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp feels more ... static-checky than PHP < 1331940179 920020 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940182 48317 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940228 94772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi weboerjan. < 1331940241 196617 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331940250 918710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331940261 928622 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening < 1331940311 894598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think that is really quite profound < 1331940380 305412 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the idea of eventually getting so subtle about it that the players will guess your _real_ biases instead. < 1331940415 526726 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that involved the "No Bias" card, iirc < 1331940482 255084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea that people can actually learn something from playing a game < 1331940490 884219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards? < 1331940538 106950 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see the link i gave to the game < 1331940540 746956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... the way it subverts the investment in winning and losing < 1331940616 656653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if (r) is Monoid and (m) is Applicative, there is a way to get a free Alternative instance for (ContT r m) < 1331940671 592512 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy update < 1331940680 118091 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, < 1331940696 69051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that I merit my own line. < 1331940710 311227 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh hm there were no actual cards with the biases, they just used ordinary playing cards for random selection. although surely you could make cards for the biases instead. < 1331940801 400736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANAYA: I Feel As Though This Conversation Has Utterly Outmaneuvered My Constructive Involvement < 1331940801 562953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANAYA: Im Going To Go < 1331940809 275949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331940843 888076 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty = ContT . const $ pure mempty; ContT x <|> ContT y = ContT $ \z -> liftA2 mappend (x z) (y z); < 1331940905 79243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ouch! Got SIGTERM, dying..eeze1) ..." --aptitude. < 1331940906 674423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lambda is (liftA2 . liftA2) mappend x y. < 1331940941 330182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you broke it. < 1331940943 642258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK < 1331941226 868548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think that if (r) is a ring then so is (Cont r a) although it is not necessarily a computable ring. < 1331941275 381401 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wonder if that's essentially the trick they use to emulate things like the list monad with continuations < 1331941322 381014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "things like"? you can do any monad with Cont < 1331941343 985036 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yes, but the list monad might turn into something like that? < 1331941392 228093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331941420 763480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. < 1331941429 953986 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331941434 224861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-184.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331941639 835008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what should the recent changes bot be called. < 1331941778 63773 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a trap right? < 1331941833 639859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. but i will elect you POTUS if you don't answer. < 1331941859 617097 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going to be an impressive achievement. < 1331941880 343717 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion 1: newsham < 1331941901 696414 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was there a hyphen in that < 1331941905 176402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham. < 1331941907 463747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham is a person. < 1331941912 137477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a coincidence. < 1331941916 883548 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1331941926 276950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i never did get around to writing cs-words. < 1331941950 138646 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c-swords, i take < 1331941990 907350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds significantly more difficult. < 1331942003 140686 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331942091 111965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I cannot see how you can use the things like I have specified, to emulate things like a list monad with continuations < 1331942103 581656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was looking for an actually meaningful name, btw :p < 1331942119 562912 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: suggestion 2: eso-ham < 1331942179 120205 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1331942191 755470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would it be to decrypt my encrypted ~ stuff on Windows? < 1331942279 9459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible. well... < 1331942285 884178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could attach the device to a VM I suppose. < 1331942489 488981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to derive the Applicative laws from saying (pure mempty) and (liftA2 mappend) form a monoid? (Note that the Applicative itself is not constrained, and that the types of these things are more general then what I specified here) < 1331942511 424102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I missed one thing: Also that it is a Functor. < 1331942521 399749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be assumed too < 1331942637 845368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey is "What hath I wrought" valid. < 1331942675 560225 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1331942683 483687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do i make it valid. < 1331942692 98392 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I wrought < 1331942703 271422 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331942703 952901 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331942703 952979 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331942704 167992 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1331942712 482833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1331942715 406713 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331942744 366917 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331942787 502134 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1331942787 663840 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331942878 33735 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1331943239 516546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331943255 982768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-184.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331943372 756236 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-145.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331943631 847325 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-121.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331943657 635076 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE88FBC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331943852 642218 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D25E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331944103 401816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the context is a certain answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9745539/how-do-i-create-haskell-functions-that-return-functions. which one will become apparent if you read the page.) < 1331944610 371993 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331944785 921693 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331945187 688580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever useful that a continuation can form a ring? Is the free Alternative instance for continuations every useful? < 1331945354 406381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1331945390 85140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no. < 1331945391 655557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two < 1331945894 50271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331946080 860681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have a fairly dumb question to throw out there.. im wondering what sort of computational class i would have if programs consist of a sequence of optionally labelled lines: goto line and print text < 1331946178 203759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be like: 1:goto 10. 5: print world. goto 11. 10: print hello. goto 5. 11:undocumented end command < 1331946730 742889 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that can print a finite or infinite amount of text. I don't think printing counts as computation? < 1331946736 627520 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I'm missing something < 1331946759 366697 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it terminates or it doesn't, and it's easy to determine statically. < 1331947043 514985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331947072 971282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1331947079 339729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a computational class, because it always does the same thing < 1331947094 124679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't accept/reject strings, or return values based on inputs, or anything like that < 1331947105 679373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a graph < 1331947154 721254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd probably categorise it as [[Category:Finite state automata]]. < 1331947302 596149 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so do turing machines. < 1331947316 520208 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless the tape counts as input? < 1331947327 70236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought turing machines start with blank tape < 1331947345 980760 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess that doesn't make sense. < 1331947448 124876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331947492 716725 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines accept/reject a string < 1331947524 614597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the string is given as the initial contents of the tape < 1331947535 390697 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the machine can enter an accept or reject state < 1331947571 980080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you can talk about Turing machines implementing functions, in which case the input is the starting tape and the output is the final tape < 1331947687 357808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines which accept/reject strings give you the computational classes R (recursive languages) and RE (recursively enumerable languages) < 1331947735 84587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is just a set of strings < 1331947757 806413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is in RE if there exists a TM which accepts all strings in the language < 1331947764 300756 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is in R if there exists a TM which accepts all strings in the language, and rejects all strings not in the language < 1331947841 632345 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE88FBC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331947851 945761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the initial tape is always blank then you cannot use your TMs to define languages; however they are still interesting in other ways, for example deciding whether one halts is still uncomputable < 1331947933 571031 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there is an alternative definition of RE which uses TMs that have blank input and a second write-only 'output tape' < 1331948002 383331 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that formulation, a language L is RE iff there's some TM such that any string in L is eventually output by the TM < 1331948016 687223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: prove that the two definitions of RE are equivalent < 1331948038 126521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, professor kmc < 1331948177 641727 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said 'accepts all strings in the language' i should have also said 'and no others' < 1331948192 437839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott < 1331948282 259419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thofessor kmc < 1331948304 838906 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thall < 1331948325 114751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thion < 1331948348 901429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thaxiom of choice < 1331948384 741149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thod it's over < 1331948446 895529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lord < 1331948447 446639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1331948768 410888 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331949070 186807 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1331949181 396024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331949797 727708 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331949896 736551 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331950053 764551 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331951126 985829 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexhiom of choice. < 1331951628 465848 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331952398 932670 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asleep for several hours and nothing happened Oo < 1331952443 165932 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: Nothing exists while you slumber. < 1331952448 700433 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are merely your delusions. < 1331952553 605564 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1331952556 943440 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1331952701 673524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331953289 289940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp! < 1331953363 267885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the minimum value of x such that if i adversarily give you x of the n^2+2 "obvious" data about an n-category venn diagram, you can completely solve it? < 1331953447 836149 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :define an 'n-category Venn diagram' < 1331953471 976199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :strike that n^2+2 part. that's too subjective. < 1331953548 60589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: a set of n finite sets in a finite universe where all the elements are indistinguishable except by which of these sets they are members of < 1331953846 471011 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have n sets < 1331953888 531020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331953890 89312 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the set of these sets S < 1331953896 365637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331953939 130950 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the least x so that, given a function from P -> N, where P \subseteq P(S), defined by taking the size of the intersection of those sets, you can extend the function to be total on P(S)? < 1331953946 68528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1331953971 280075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, yes < 1331953983 124967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking < 1331953987 647998 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n-n+1 < 1331953995 978720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get that? < 1331954008 556847 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's just a system of linear equations < 1331954035 778994 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are 2^n powersets, n of which contain a given set < 1331954044 374334 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I can't count < 1331954046 839905 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331954051 168779 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(n-1)+1 < 1331954067 675523 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can drop the +1 if you aren't considering the empty set < 1331954128 66939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. would keeping the +1 account for the elements in the universe that are in none of the sets? < 1331954143 391638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the set of all elements not in any set we care about" < 1331954177 365254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this formula isnt jibing with the base cases i have < 1331954206 76890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz it takes 6 to solve n=3 < 1331954331 358876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having trouble visualizing the generalized system < 1331954532 857778 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-121.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331954557 557771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331954592 658265 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how do you get that it takes 6 to solve n=3? < 1331955057 708465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i don't actually. < 1331955079 912755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a problem where 7 are given < 1331955095 717997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have guessed 2^n-1 as the formula based on that < 1331955173 970279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did you get 2^(n-1)+1? < 1331955741 943220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it: http://mdm4u1.wetpaint.com/page/5.1+Organized+Counting+with+Venn+Diagrams < 1331955859 743566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^n-1 is correct < 1331955869 449616 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331956433 998589 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-177.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331956482 948186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE < 1331957040 370555 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331957136 448529 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MSleep < 1331957198 930975 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-177.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331957633 239182 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331957880 910370 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331957923 885318 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-143.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331958712 263640 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-75.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331958873 38404 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-143.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331958925 919216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9740747/android-application-will-rock-the-world < 1331959754 225162 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-159-203.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331959926 888457 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331959927 50260 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-75.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331960112 928218 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-159-203.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331960375 920483 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-145-37.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331961192 206343 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-112-30.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331961384 90680 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-145-37.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331961417 783 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-47.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331961508 27393 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-112-30.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331962165 480558 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, elliott monqy update < 1331962512 434364 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331962655 23016 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-47.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331963036 912379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331963039 679177 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-160.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331963123 774646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331963154 178490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1331963962 803742 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331965118 65341 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1331965223 737498 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331967407 720615 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331967843 637988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/ this is completely impossible < 1331968280 773742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1331968364 681122 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you make it so that people stop bringing up xmonad as an example of a Haskell project? < 1331968547 482806 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-0.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331968641 622389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why? < 1331969125 440249 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because it's annoying. :-( < 1331969215 300833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why? < 1331969708 351768 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants examples of Common Lisp projects
< 1331969753 744455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. < 1331969755 169211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1331969756 401792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. < 1331969802 494790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I suck at that game < 1331969897 723278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much as me. < 1331969902 446552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to like 20 seconds in. :( < 1331970860 223377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Golf&diff=24233&oldid=16338 sigh < 1331971138 981290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331971268 710238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java%27 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java%27%27 i don't want these to exist < 1331971311 764338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they exist < 1331971473 238561 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's the complain against generic superclass? (Except that Java's isn't actually effective due to not containing primitives) < 1331971492 5312 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java'' is just nonsensical < 1331971535 169717 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, without generics < 1331971565 433437 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just called old Java? < 1331971653 996411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest merging the articles into a single article. < 1331972041 188627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'd have one article that's twice as bad! < 1331972188 754397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331972289 362695 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it would also be twice as good. < 1331972329 158825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you wouldn't have two articles like that. < 1331972446 356008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How good are you at that game? < 1331972462 770993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game? < 1331972472 730005 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hexawhatever? < 1331972479 730552 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably worse than you. < 1331972488 746766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can feel happy about it. < 1331973005 259251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331974248 777870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh, now everything is rotating hexagonally in my mind. < 1331974415 646671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know System.Random defines a monad? < 1331975161 502097 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ꙭ < 1331975224 983831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1331975356 821046 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE MONOCULAR O < 1331975378 398927 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O < 1331975412 653305 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O, the rather bizzare way in which I chose to determine it was rather silly < 1331975486 183383 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted that character into another channel for no reason, THEN realized it could look like something other than eyes < 1331975847 716087 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHY IS MY LAPTOP SO HOT < 1331975862 827499 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What steps could I have taken in the relatively recent past to avoid this problem < 1331975933 508962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I don't think the effort I put into responding to things shachaf says pays off. < 1331975954 756184 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you could stop posting ASCII boobies? < 1331975982 894183 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not actually intended to help with an issue of laptop heating) < 1331976003 472312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boobies"? Is Sgeo 3? < 1331976026 97770 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why I chose that word. < 1331976051 477962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word is "eyes". < 1331976204 321364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is not ASCII, isn't it? < 1331976216 286068 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indeed, it is not ASCII < 1331976220 318918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Extended ASCII < 1331976317 114186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Rayman Origins is coming out for PCs? < 1331976501 564495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331976722 157098 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is Typeable evil? < 1331976848 936133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you evil? < 1331976870 558278 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is Blizzard evil? < 1331976877 414951 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Wikia evil? < 1331976883 215602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put nasty always-online DRM in Diablo III. < 1331976889 385181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, Blizzard? Whizzard? < 1331977754 874956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331978052 635312 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java's so stupid for not boxing primitives < 1331978061 450527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead they should have put 10 years of research into automatic unboxing < 1331978071 354446 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then exposed the unboxed versions anyway because people neeeed speeeeed < 1331978150 888876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should have just boxed them. < 1331978152 413184 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is that in response to anything in particular? < 1331978160 127705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what GHC did ;) < 1331978171 931549 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids these days, you have it so easy < 1331978175 443683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, applets Swing would seal Java's reputation for slowness. < 1331978179 244695 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxed values in Haskell are very different from boxed values in Java. < 1331978185 251056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they could sacrifice unboxed primitives and not lose much in terms of speed rep. < 1331978192 635706 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day every function had to start with a guard | x `seq` y `seq` z `seq` False = undefined < 1331978195 62091 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY FUNCTION. < 1331978196 11097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applets and Swing < 1331978212 574403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was your day? < 1331978214 971352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007? < 1331978225 196698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started learning Haskell in 2006 < 1331978241 800763 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a dinosaur. < 1331978251 146087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxing serves a common purpose in Haskell and Java < 1331978254 263557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 was 6 years ago. :-( < 1331978255 711654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? That's only one or two years earlier than me. < 1331978262 334144 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to enable polymorphism < 1331978265 967038 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a dinosaur. < 1331978268 957528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm not actually an old-timer, it just amuses me to say such things < 1331978284 747842 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott and I first joined #haskell within a week of each other. < 1331978286 924160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc must be like 7. :( < 1331978295 440269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui you can't have an ArrayList for roughly the same reason you can't have an [Int#] < 1331978298 501461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you first joined #haskell in 2002, and are 28. < 1331978302 84895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are facts I know. < 1331978330 135576 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I was wrong. < 1331978330 354872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe these days ArrayList is secret code for ArrayList? < 1331978353 16163 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some automatic conversions were added in Java [1.]5 < 1331978355 269627 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do what C++ did. < 1331978360 169783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's foolproof. < 1331978380 713229 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better fool, etc < 1331978399 569714 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nickserv says I registered on Freenode in 2004. < 1331978404 980032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is such a dinosaur. :-(
< 1331978412 942154 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331978428 913246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because NickServ reset in 2004. < 1331978433 591558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually registered your nick in 2001. < 1331978437 446832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACTS I KNOW. < 1331978451 209810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, Java should basically just have been Lisp instead. < 1331978454 768896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would have been good < 1331978456 218135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1331978456 950996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1331978471 151654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the Most Powerful Language ™ < 1331978494 710026 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little-known fact: John McCarthy invented Java in 1957. < 1331978509 572646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to say that whoever came up with the <> syntax for C++ templates should, e.g. start a home for orphaned kittens or something. < 1331978516 514818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they want a good afterlife. < 1331978525 562403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a home. A hospital. < 1331978530 746253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hospital for injured, orphaned kittens. < 1331978534 972274 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he hid the manuscript describing it, which was only rediscovered by James Gosling in 1995. < 1331978536 382228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john mccarthy richard nixon studebaker television < 1331978560 600935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's wrong with that syntax? < 1331978572 536297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only improvement they could make would be to add close tags at the end of a template definition. < 1331978587 279621 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you know that interpreting >> as double close template rather than right shift can change a valid C++03 program into another valid program which does something different? < 1331978588 595379 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :template struct Foo { ... } template; < 1331978622 469401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So C++11 changed the meaning of existing programs? < 1331978626 668330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because <> are The Ugliest Brackets. < 1331978632 574222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when nested. < 1331978635 108854 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so, i doubt that's the only way either < 1331978635 308536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you were being unserious. < 1331978636 459878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures. < 1331978652 441299 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» for template brackets! < 1331978654 629730 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::cout << (Y>::c >::c>::c) << '\n'; < 1331978657 953791 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG21/docs/papers/2005/n1757.html < 1331978662 773452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, nooooooo < 1331978685 882612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc will need to find ever more esoteric quotation marks. < 1331978687 419704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-236-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331978696 175382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am not going to put up with SMBC any longer. < 1331978696 416914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331978719 142772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now STRUCK FROM MY SUBSCRIPTIONS < 1331978720 59939 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331978724 590396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, 「i've always been fond of these」 < 1331978747 22833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh hey ｢halfwidth｣ < 1331978784 827918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's halfway there! But I prefer: zerowidth < 1331978799 79793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that joke doesn't really work when you can't tell there are quotation marks around it. < 1331978800 75327 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will use zero-width non-breaking non-space < 1331978908 473437 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know you could put "typedef" almost anywhere in a type definition? < 1331978912 103264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int typedef x; < 1331978921 933513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1331978924 480524 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { ... } typedef foo_t; < 1331978943 104886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That latter one is actually a reasonable-looking syntax. < 1331978961 821363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { ... } `typedef` foo_t; < 1331978967 406766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1331979008 450144 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was trying to figure out a way to make Ruby accept that syntax but doubts that it's possible. :-(
< 1331979028 583543 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-0.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331979035 994499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you got it to segfault, right? < 1331979042 719678 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just exploit the interpreter and monkeypatch the parsing routines < 1331979051 800880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just exploit the interpreter and monkeypatch the parsing routines < 1331979059 903696 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, a glitch in the matrix < 1331979065 771662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the segfault doesn't happen in 1.9.3. :-( < 1331979071 680183 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit a patch < 1331979088 531664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, your time is up. < 1331979094 4821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should I go eat a burrito in SF? < 1331979127 366161 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&cid=13452708831306342560 < 1331979160 651067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, were you the one who told me about Maru Ichi in Mountain View? < 1331979168 887868 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it, at least. < 1331979172 366091 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you go? < 1331979173 225203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I think at least three people told me) < 1331979174 917536 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1331979176 955460 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really good! < 1331979211 702321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have the kuro ramen? < 1331979216 332191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so < 1331979220 216481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's very good. < 1331979229 792445 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their one vegetarian soup is also good. < 1331979238 367169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: Did you know you could put "typedef" almost anywhere in a type definition? < 1331979238 626756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int typedef x; < 1331979239 914391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you serious? < 1331979271 953993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "typedef" is a "storage class specifier" syntactically. < 1331979273 962992 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "const". < 1331979291 537649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not like "const". < 1331979293 920606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int typedef const x; < 1331979295 203896 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "statuc". < 1331979300 187618 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/i/ < 1331979336 684368 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'm going to be in SF Mon and Wed. < 1331979339 917107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 16th St. is a bit far. < 1331979342 758487 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1331979348 465418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ride the BART < 1331979368 368832 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. I'll see how much time I'll have. < 1331979381 769726 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in SF will you be? < 1331979389 383380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const typedef int foo; < 1331979393 174956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typedef can't change. < 1331979397 583544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1331979408 950845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage-class-specifiers are pretty much identical to type-specifiers, type-qualifiers and function-specifiers, syntactically, so "like const" is not so far off. < 1331979438 937719 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't int (*typedef foo)(); < 1331979475 186087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1331979476 151363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's not what I said. < 1331979482 504153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inline" is a function-specifier. < 1331979512 961386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But if you could! < 1331979514 632115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "const" *does* fit there. < 1331979528 719465 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Mostly pretty close to the 4th St. Caltrain, I think. < 1331979534 263326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is my main reference point in SF. :-) < 1331979562 987217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979572 711354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Driving directions to 16, Mission, TX 78572' < 1331979574 509792 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, google < 1331979600 963869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979602 246137 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY FACEBOOK IS WINNING, GOOGLE < 1331979605 611770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979607 674228 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your directions right. < 1331979614 340740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979621 28408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamericans. < 1331979630 472067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I would walk to Mission and take a bus on Mission < 1331979632 336120 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like walking < 1331979642 883741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979662 969456 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however "32, cambridge ma" is useful < 1331979666 693771 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't mind walking.
< 1331979669 324815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979681 632854 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is whether I'll have enough time. < 1331979684 784687 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even gets the city name right! < 1331979722 654149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that when I mark an email unread in Gmail, the Android Gmail client beeps? < 1331979725 984055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979739 453027 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need that notification, Android Gmail client. I just marked that email unread. I know about its existence. < 1331979745 241580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979746 260703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all living in amerika < 1331979749 961086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amerika ist wunderbar < 1331979771 194261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331979771 743109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331979773 39635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, Americans. < 1331979776 736101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.That was only < 1331979779 736816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant tob e one ellipsis. < 1331979783 536593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant computer < 1331979826 104064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1331979839 116086 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can make Ruby handle all of: uint32_t multiple, values; char string[12], val; uint32_t bit:1, fields:7; char matrix[256][256]; char *ptrs[5], byte, *ptr_matrix[8][8]; bool **ptr_to_ptr; uint32_t * ptr_array_with_whitespace[256]; char byte_arr_with_other_whitespace [256]; < 1331979860 267457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy made another edit! Im so proude. < 1331979896 867737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy Well done , son . < 1331979897 117763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331979900 475460 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the best train? < 1331979962 721423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of them all? < 1331979966 635268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331979971 629061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1331979975 727685 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1331979978 288317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no train expert < 1331979991 233411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best train < 1331979993 372579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1331980001 118422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jumbo jet train < 1331980003 533179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can train < 1331980004 828875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND fly < 1331980015 499316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just going along happily training < 1331980015 911236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is no train expert⸘ < 1331980016 831581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1331980019 551259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift up into the air < 1331980024 711125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and find another railway to land on < 1331980026 903404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My worldview is ruined. :-( < 1331980027 591168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could happen to you < 1331980031 855110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who flipped my interrobang? < 1331980039 30331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel as if my wisdom is not being appreciated here < 1331980040 368622 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⸘How did that happen‽ < 1331980050 898263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first TGV was turbine powered < 1331980087 504601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- kmc "no train expert" kmc < 1331980113 172008 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc's last name is McAllister. < 1331980119 793754 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc "no train expert" McAllister < 1331980136 879892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331980138 191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kmc. < 1331980145 516040 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :km"kmc"c < 1331980151 392766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331980153 353061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc "kmc" kmc < 1331980165 490830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1=(kmc #1# kmc) < 1331980168 234631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that the right syntax?) < 1331980183 504569 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp is never the right syntax. < 1331980189 229167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaml has syntax for that < 1331980198 803930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML has syntax for everything. < 1331980200 316906 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, & and * < 1331980223 45880 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YADGL < 1331980233 979257 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know "YAML" originally stood for "Yet Another Markup Language"? < 1331980240 310228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331980250 699852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is a YAML MVP. < 1331980260 814475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :employee of the month < 1331980262 973461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's got all the YAML facts. < 1331980282 803688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't help it! I have YAML pushed on me by -- certain members of the YAML community. < 1331980291 616272 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the radical YAML agenda < 1331980306 919631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to teach YAML in public schools < 1331980308 677613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Plural? < 1331980323 982901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once tried to make a Lisp dialect whose syntax was YAML? Spoiler: it didn't work out because YAML is terrible. < 1331980362 113441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :02ED7 CJK RADICAL YAML < 1331980365 285617 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I could use ⸘‽ for quotes! < 1331980377 872002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You should tell those certain members that OGDL is way nicer. < 1331980388 741748 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, mostly just one of them. < 1331980439 505070 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly elliott, YAML is for data < 1331980452 632179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGDL isn't? < 1331980453 588754 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :code is data, dude < 1331980455 640464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even in the name. < 1331980457 896546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Lisp thing. < 1331980470 988960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and codata is cocode < 1331980490 783285 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "co" Desktop Environment. < 1331980501 128882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *de < 1331980556 605362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that smuggling weasels is illegal in 24 states, including Alaska, Hawaii and the Philippines? < 1331980672 175188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you want, you can join #haskell. < 1331980683 746551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want, you can ENLARG3 Y0UR MORTGAG3 QUICK AT xn--80afbi5amoq.info < 1331980689 490380 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses, you beat me to it. < 1331980741 545505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, you're meant to report spam in #freenode, right? < 1331980745 698346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget how these things work. < 1331980762 364542 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're meant to not care. < 1331980764 25462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Fifo2 (58d42422@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.36.34) has joined #freenode < 1331980764 187324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : spammer in #haskell: raichoo: If you want, you can /join ##iPhoneFifo. < 1331980769 977033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT MY EXCELLENT TIMING. < 1331980775 604612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :APATHY will lead us to VICTORY < 1331980788 675461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But if I do this, then I sometimes get personal attacks from the spammers. < 1331980790 272899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hilarious. < 1331980800 639371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist_man_MANS = mosh.1 mosh-client.1 mosh-server.1 < 1331980802 168619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar mans < 1331980826 115605 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: autowhatever should have a pluralization engine like Rails. < 1331980834 894340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331980838 86355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist_man_MEN < 1331980851 147192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I'm NOT a spammer! < 1331980851 308986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : well... you asked someone to join your completely unrelated channel out of the blue... which is spam < 1331980862 446191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one mistake: < 1331980863 213945 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How exciting. < 1331980873 443348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is actually a canned meat product. < 1331980875 603433 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in SF i saw a bird that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck but isn't < 1331980878 357797 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I don't even need to report spammers to deal with their complaints. < 1331980880 491735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this technicality Fifo shall ROAM FREE < 1331980880 653570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a duck) < 1331980895 231107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't tell all the Ruby people there! < 1331980900 238837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a coot! < 1331980901 327739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Fuck you! < 1331980903 380620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, shachaf. < 1331980952 204107 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in PM? < 1331980955 113758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see it in logz < 1331980956 244992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, in #freenode. < 1331980960 337166 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh < 1331980966 398419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331980970 821689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the spammer be in #freenode < 1331980977 853901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They joined about 5 seconds before I reported it. < 1331980986 830487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guilty conscience, perhaps? < 1331980991 974851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're just trying to see how quickly they can get k-lined. < 1331980998 775454 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wouldn't it be easier to keep a #haskell tab open than to look at logs? < 1331981003 451662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to get k-lined but all i got was this lousy t-shirt < 1331981006 215393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that they said "hi" before spamming, though. < 1331981010 102368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And waited for a reply. < 1331981013 94259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mighty considerate of them. < 1331981019 690215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you just got t-lined, then? < 1331981024 429878 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that would reduce the energy barrier of replying to a dangerous level < 1331981026 725338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kline oerjan < 1331981041 132868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a k-shirt might be something weird to wear < 1331981049 470551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if I set up a bot in here that lets you send messages to #haskell with a single command? < 1331981051 684249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should patch XChat to forbid sending messages to #haskell < 1331981053 287432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you leave? < 1331981058 132307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1331981066 247473 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++11 supports "for (int &x : array)"? < 1331981073 172542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's the best < 1331981075 449956 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-9.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1331981078 195686 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess only for arrays whose length is known at compile-time. < 1331981081 521349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if I set up a bot in here that forwarded everything you say to #haskell? < 1331981083 172554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for iteratable things too < 1331981090 378623 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if Fuck you! < 1331981108 563312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hurt.
< 1331981112 135463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331981112 481758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION report kmc to staffers.
< 1331981120 551353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want you can join #esoteric < 1331981126 954230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can /query kmc. < 1331981135 163581 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can dance if we want to < 1331981136 882134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll be talking TO YOURSELF. < 1331981152 854139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to yourself in /query is an interesting experience with somewhat high latency. < 1331981177 899386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take this to mean that shachaf regularly /queries himself. < 1331981184 690994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to notice the oddity of increased latency. < 1331981203 733740 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Little-known fact: I'm kmc. < 1331981216 678793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to keep the /queries going so the NSA won't suspect anything. < 1331981240 618209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# chmod 777 mosh-client < 1331981240 780015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l < 1331981240 942055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :----rwxr-x system sdcard_rw 5081976 2012-03-14 22:11 mosh-client < 1331981243 944755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention i hate android < 1331981257 976127 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSA: The most intrusive of the "A"s. < 1331981270 853741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'st he FBI. < 1331981272 404142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's the < 1331981297 555602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does the Mosh exist for the Android? Or are you porting it? < 1331981301 695806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting it < 1331981304 752850 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1331981354 643822 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this why you were writing ARM shellcode? < 1331981358 362962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331981366 151788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what is the Mosh? < 1331981373 924179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/keithw/mosh < 1331981424 522282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like: Mostly Shit. < 1331981428 574122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn < 1331981429 545099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or MoENTIRELY Shit??? < 1331981441 939390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like how it links to http://mosh.mit.edu which redirects back to the page itself. < 1331981445 161294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me want to hurt things. :( < 1331981455 866085 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a low anger threshold < 1331981469 418078 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the mosh that broke the camel's back. < 1331981471 770526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that prediction thing is cool. < 1331981475 273787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where elliott is the camel. < 1331981485 628155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the fact that line-editing is done remotely is just a flaw of SSH anyway. < 1331981501 742655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't blame SSH in general < 1331981504 983979 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cooked mode, sure < 1331981515 41336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mosh's prediction works even in fullscreen curses apps < 1331981516 398052 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What I mean to say is: You're a camel. < 1331981530 580387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've said that in another channel, except that... Oh. < 1331981534 7501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, what I mean is that the entire SSH model is broken and everything is wrong and sucks, but I decided to focus my complaint. < 1331981544 258423 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by 'SSH' you mean 'Unix' then sure < 1331981547 322761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331981553 475000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, focus. < 1331981558 552863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does @ support SSH? < 1331981568 635409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331981579 2657 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick question: @ doesn't support anything < 1331981582 15858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331981592 230414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports the revolutionary @sec < 1331981614 443411 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sec id < 1331981614 741176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :id x = x < 1331981615 86267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I @told oerjan some things in the log. Maybe? < 1331981644 388594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that was yesterday < 1331981646 191351 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you help me reset my sleep schedule? < 1331981656 576936 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broken. < 1331981670 684092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, I don't need mosh because I have a LOCAL ORAGNIC FARM-GROWN SERVER in my HOMELAND. < 1331981683 87679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm prepared to be UNBEARABLY SMUG ABOUT IT. < 1331981727 329907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~$ sudo apt-get install mosh < 1331981727 491557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sudo] password for elliott: < 1331981727 491748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading package lists... Done < 1331981727 491852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building dependency tree < 1331981727 491956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading state information... Done < 1331981727 941745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Unable to locate package mosh < 1331981731 473146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even in the Best Debian Release. < 1331981740 872581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's woody.) < 1331981752 85976 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. You just need to use äpt-gët < 1331981757 857099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By woody, I mean hamm. < 1331981761 624787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamm is the best Debian release. < 1331981765 898248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was Debian 1.0 called? < 1331981778 945291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why are you doing mad-libs < 1331981780 549324 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There WAS NO DEBIAN 1.0 < 1331981792 235190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What? < 1331981792 409101 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Potato was the best release. < 1331981817 792785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debian 1.0 was never released: Accidently InfoMagic, a CD vendor, shipped the development release of Debian and entitled it 1.0. On December 11th 1995, Debian and InfoMagic jointly announced that this release was screwed." < 1331981818 816988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1331981818 997715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc: Anyway, I don't need mosh because I have a LOCAL ORAGNIC FARM-GROWN SERVER in my HOMELAND. And I'm prepared to be UNBEARABLY SMUG ABOUT IT. < 1331981830 85354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's an incredibly specific mad-lib template. < 1331981838 548308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, but Debian 1.1 was released. < 1331981841 106851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzz, apparently. < 1331981854 509882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in #llvm on oftc recently. < 1331981868 369749 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That channel made me feel bad. < 1331981872 215826 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331981875 387045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1331981891 381015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Debian 1.1 didn't come out until after Ian Murdock stopped being project lead. An eventful career. < 1331981909 913005 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO is so high that even asking my VAGUELY ON-TOPIC QUESTION decreased it. < 1331981928 579712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt only came out in 1999?! < 1331981951 223644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #haskell's signal-to-noise ratio isn't that bad right now! Admittedly, they're not talking about Haskell. < 1331981958 272312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : gaze__, hm, I am newbe in sound, five minutes ago I just used 6 parametrix EQs per a track with statically gained notes < 1331981958 434349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : gaze__, so If I coded a plugin, I did the same, without any analysis < 1331981958 434664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd use the D vst api or the python one, and play with filters in matlab or something < 1331981960 36897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1331981966 788498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shachaf is doing mad-libs too. freaky. < 1331981969 806380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean you could write a haskell vst api but haskell doesn't buy you anything here < 1331981973 165780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblig. "other than on-topicality". < 1331981979 342668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc must appreciate my #haskell commentary. < 1331981980 470056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do. < 1331982028 802990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please, don't use plain String's (especially when you are processing >100m files). Just replace them with ByteString's" < 1331982029 803227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was the point, yes. < 1331982029 964899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1331982054 306915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus from the code they suggest: " filename <- liftM getArgs" < 1331982069 404789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah i guess i MISINTERPRETED it AS A COINCIDENCE < 1331982094 834770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, woody -> sarge took an awful long time. < 1331982105 610259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not that long. < 1331982107 577407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But longish. < 1331982114 612122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a CASE of bad GIRAFFE < 1331982135 947724 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331982148 805782 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You don't remember the time when Debian had a REPUTATION of never RELEASING? < 1331982164 938633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO remember THAT TIME. < 1331982172 716485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#Complete < 1331982175 612361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albeit I DIDN'T REALLY EXIST until AFTER IT. < 1331982177 7298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz_SOURCES = main.c head.c float.c vortex9.c gun.c < 1331982201 173814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Let's suppose you just finished writing zardoz, a program to make your head float from vortex to vortex." < 1331982207 843543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No system is complete without a copy. < 1331982216 649091 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else will you control the outlands < 1331982231 845203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is LIKELY the MOST IMPORTANT THING you will READ all SEPTEMBER: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331982247 474269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zarday 3 5 2, twenty brutals exterminated < 1331982258 650462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Penis is evil! The Penis shoots Seeds, and makes new Life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the Gun shoots Death and purifies the Earth of the filth of Brutals. Go forth, and kill! Zardoz has spoken. < 1331982310 123377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GNU project will touch-teach you < 1331982320 672951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KGlobal::locale::Warning your global KLocale is being recreated with a valid main component instead of a fake component, this usually means you tried to call i18n related functions before your main component was created. You should not do that since it most likely will not work" < 1331982349 168019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo? is that you? < 1331982376 391636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit more polite than gnome's usual "GObject: *** CRITICAL:: FATAL ..." < 1331982380 109194 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ didn't have "long long int" before C++11? < 1331982388 275438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why these warnings are so enthusiastic! "Attempt to use QAction "view_projects" with KXMLGUIFactory!" < 1331982389 555903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling by at hundreds per second with no apparent consequence < 1331982392 848647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I found a bug in mosh. < 1331982397 541054 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1331982401 345051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in C++. < 1331982405 710585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rimshot
< 1331982441 466987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder if the GNOME people have ever thought to look into those critical errors. < 1331982462 92647 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about those critics. < 1331982478 227119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haters gonna hate < 1331982501 80982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRITICAL:: FATAL mismatched parentheses < 1331982508 544710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm cloning something from GitHub, is there a reason to prefer https:// or git:// < 1331982514 290733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure what git: is, really. < 1331982531 577533 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-aggrandization? < 1331982538 638674 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently git: has its own protocol. < 1331982542 492628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just use the default one it presents you. < 1331982547 347710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is https. < 1331982573 830451 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331982634 115530 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331982634 813906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have headache. < 1331982649 975712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am... in possession of headache. < 1331982661 507200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much headach < 1331982662 326802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1331982717 540183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many to count! < 1331982743 711739 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, you're in the mosh THANKS file. < 1331982747 628507 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right after Richard Stallman. < 1331982778 143703 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether kmc and nelhage are secretly the same person.
< 1331982783 7711 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331982789 846545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's something weird about being next to richard stallman, but i cannot quite put my toe on it < 1331982805 328711 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331982809 218458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: headache am uncountable noun < 1331982820 292447 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331982837 763225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#freenode is an interesting place. < 1331982850 876141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an invitation to join. < 1331982889 507628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why would we be the same person? < 1331982932 428192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something along the lines of "have they ever been seen together", but in this case I guess you're always seen together. < 1331982933 276669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QFrame "", which already has a layout < 1331983006 404112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ./configure builds and compiles a separate C program for uint16_t and uint32_t and ... and ...? < 1331983014 875375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's how configure works < 1331983016 557402 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't it do a binary search? < 1331983034 896260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I found another bug in mosh! < 1331983036 992287 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not surprised that it does that, given that the lines are separate and come after the other. < 1331983041 535657 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/af/one af/ < 1331983066 775691 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're assuming that all systems, if they have uint8_t and uint32_t, have uint16_t < 1331983088 62872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It uses autoconf. < 1331983095 438343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're so helpful < 1331983096 816510 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If systems were like that, we wouldn't need configure scripts < 1331983097 644607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: No, I'm assuming that you can test all of those at once, and then check them individually if one of them fails. < 1331983104 153580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Let me know when they're fixed. < 1331983110 799344 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1331983118 514938 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/mosh-devel < 1331983119 731272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Some would say we don't. < 1331983154 247930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Post troll messages to MIT mailing lists?! I'D BE LUCKY TO SURVIVE < 1331983191 866287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS regularly trolls the MIT CS department list < 1331983197 664646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it failure? I wonder how many programs even care what named unsigned word sizes are available < 1331983209 522434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but he's immortal. < 1331983214 42909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *rms. < 1331983215 785462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1331983247 279968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are archives of that list publicly available? I mean, watching rms embarrass himself is always fun. < 1331983253 434174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1331983261 515606 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The point is that if it needs the information and all four of those are available with overwhelming probability, can't it just do one check? < 1331983299 351010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Being reasonable is not an autoconf design goal. < 1331983306 329017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should implement that and submit a patch to autoconf. < 1331983315 17231 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of how much time would be saved waiting on ./configure scripts. < 1331983322 921368 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Then again, you're assuming optimizing tendencies of people who write programs that write shell scripts. < 1331983330 267127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html < 1331983337 40091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey, for Cygwin users that might actually help. < 1331983342 15896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure usually takes 30s there. < 1331983349 938698 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It takes too long everywhere. < 1331983353 280816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seen & read & tshirt-bought. < 1331983374 296544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Following your example, I might send the list an announcement whenever a new GNU program is written. That happens less often than babies are born, it does the world a lot more good, it reflects more conscious creativity and hard work, and some of the readers might actually find the information useful." < 1331983384 833331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if rms has ever felt like an ass. < 1331983385 543974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hundreds of thousands of babies are born every day. While the whole phenomenon is menacing, one of them by itself is not newsworthy." < 1331983389 638663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would buy that on a tshirt < 1331983422 565901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331983422 841465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you. -Paul Traina < 1331983423 3167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, thanks. I don't want to have children. -RMS < 1331983423 22498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good -Peter Shipley < 1331983423 255401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331983437 2578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must avoid reading the original messages behind these summaries. < 1331983440 913633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would ruin them. < 1331983454 543766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, he's not wrong that babies are overrated < 1331983510 276461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's TV; that doesn't make Area Man any less annoying. < 1331983519 559010 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331983642 343205 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-159.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331983671 470584 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-73.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331983787 424345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331983813 300691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-236-147.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331983855 692792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing keeps complaining to me. < 1331983859 689407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Application asked to unregister timer 0x72000001 which is not registered in this thread. Fix application." < 1331983876 435490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331983923 425278 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php < 1331984131 52151 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are Apple Dos. Simple and primitive with a good understanding of the common man. You're still a work in progress, but a good start." < 1331984272 592222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got TRSDOS in 2003. < 1331984280 908176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should retry to see if it has changed. < 1331984295 86448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, mooz was Windows 95 then. :p < 1331984323 652265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there were two other TRSDOSes on the channel where it was discussed. < 1331984352 870993 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am not completely sure about some questions I also sometimes get OS/2 < 1331984359 887755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Windows 95 is the perfect operating system, you know. < 1331984477 156471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/windows_95.jpg < 1331984479 298825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See. < 1331984480 289933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told you. < 1331984516 402403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Incidentally, the very next comment from him after "arg, I'm windows 95" was about Slaves to Armok. < 1331984540 924801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@mooz> most people would implement the turning of gargoyles into stone in daylight by adding a condition < 1331984543 925118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@mooz> in armok one makes the gargoyle skin material react with sunlight < 1331984563 493738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I didn't interpret that as quiz talk at all. < 1331984576 342619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant you acquired (and presumably started using) TRSDOS in 2003. < 1331984579 678158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mooz used Windows 95. < 1331984584 776036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No. < 1331984584 977103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two other people in the channel used TRDOS too. < 1331984594 774148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, that's... not the most likely thing. < 1331984607 316562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean. < 1331984608 949468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland. < 1331984651 285897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :land of snow, knife fights and killer robots < 1331984658 175558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : PathFinder's ping style is awesome. < 1331984681 981488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1331984693 9788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : See #haskell. < 1331984703 95317 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh. < 1331984719 981553 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently I'm windows 95 < 1331984720 784361 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have used Amiga Workbench 1.3 as my main os in 2009 and I propably could use Apple DOS as my main os. < 1331984725 329209 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you want, you can /join #haskell < 1331984738 842708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, today I'm Apple DOS 3.1. < 1331984749 250178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Amiga in 2009? < 1331984757 28742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You're hardcore. < 1331984765 145520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris would be proud. < 1331984766 103189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Told U I was" < 1331984777 925843 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about DOS in 2010? < 1331984806 52013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/U/u/ < 1331984820 824981 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Amiga is hardcore, DOS is dubstep. < 1331984842 272214 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ./configure "checking whether build environment is sane" takes such a long time because it has a "sleep 1" in it. < 1331984857 203648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it's just a really intense sanity test. < 1331984872 289432 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure, psychlogist < 1331984904 104804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't drive you crazy, you're definitely sane < 1331984937 697881 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Windows 95 when I answered the least likely choice for me. < 1331985053 459310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once used Windows 95 as my only OS for ~a WHOLE WEEK? < 1331985094 481525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you read about cmccann's iteratee-thing? < 1331985095 28623 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I once used Windows 95 as my only OS for ~a WHOLE LONG TIME? < 1331985102 576392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was so excited about Windows 98. < 1331985110 354318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what exciting features Windows 98 had? < 1331985116 714105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98 was like Windows 95 except terrible. < 1331985130 260405 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used Windows 95 as my only os for a year. After that I started using MS-DOS with DOSSHELL < 1331985138 159328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had fun with win 3.1 < 1331985140 801831 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows 98 had the exciting Quick Launch bar! < 1331985143 478897 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in 2004 < 1331985177 750464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only good thing about DOS is BASIC. < 1331985183 652922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows 98 Hebrew Edition also reversed a bunch of things, so that the Close Restore Minimize buttons were on the left side and the Start Menu was on the right side. < 1331985248 777296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 < 1331985252 878604 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got qbasic 1.0 including nibbles.bas and gorilla.bas with dos (like everyone, i know) < 1331985254 300775 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is also fucking fast on hardware where Win95 crawls < 1331985259 245186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a lot of fun with that < 1331985260 470269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTL languages are terrifying. < 1331985295 152976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the code of nibbles and gorilla to be too difficult to understand though < 1331985302 694637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: didn't answer my question. :( < 1331985305 135003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:// < 1331985323 781607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What question -- oh. < 1331985325 739568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iteratees? < 1331985330 295706 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read about iteratees. < 1331985331 575558 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got QBASIC 1.1 with DOS and installed Borland C++ 3.1 afterwards < 1331985335 839917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They're not iteratees, though! < 1331985339 863154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's just linear logic. < 1331985348 711667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except variables represent streams. < 1331985362 783856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And negation turns outputs into inputs. < 1331985369 949835 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds CRAZY. < 1331985372 279416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eventually got given turbo pascal 6 < 1331985374 297814 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read it. < 1331985402 644948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Stream (In a `Join` Out b) is a length-preserving (== always outputs one after reading one) transformation from streams of as to streams of bs. < 1331985407 75019 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: is turbo pascal really as fast as they say < 1331985410 178989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started trying to do stuff with egavga.bgi graphics library but it was so unbearably slow the way i was using it < 1331985414 258973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Stream (In a `Or` Out b) can read and write according to its own whims. < 1331985428 147921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stream (In a `Or` Out b `Or` Run m) is Pipe, supposedly.) < 1331985439 746346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can zip them and things??? < 1331985452 534750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i wouldn't know. i'm just here in #esoteric as a tourist from newbie island < 1331985452 843424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Borland C++ 4.52 on one of them CDs they used to tape onto the covers of PC magazines. < 1331985507 533301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh yeah.. i got something like that too once was excited too.. but somehow disc got lost or something. < 1331985520 50986 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually learned programming by reading trough my father's old programs written in C when I was 8. < 1331985549 884711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned programming when I was 8 too < 1331985552 620159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too! < 1331985555 845099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that was in 2004. < 1331985590 348200 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I lerned it in 2005 < 1331985590 897112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a train wreck of a time learning to program.. many would say i never learned :D < 1331985591 478382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I wonder if I still have that disc. I seem to have "PC Plus SuperCD no. 43b" with full PartitionMagic 2.0 on it. It's worth £80! < 1331985605 4263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh. Not another person younger than me. < 1331985611 189745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's too many of you now; I feel old. < 1331985623 479171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here when I was 11, you whipper-snappers! < 1331985626 456803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331985639 283946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is it worth so much? < 1331985655 558488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't worry, you can borrow my cane < 1331985660 254137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1331985670 803812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, truespace. "The legendary 3D package complete and unrestricted. As sold for £550." < 1331985678 78596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the July 1998 SuperCD.) < 1331985708 401353 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I LEARNED PROGRAMMING in Q4 2011 < 1331985709 666491 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO THERE < 1331985716 347425 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I still don't know programming. < 1331985720 742865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The brand new SuperCede for Java Standard Edition is the fast way to create your own powerful JDK 1.1 applications for the Web. Worth £99 (provisional price)" < 1331985731 11471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I've got like £thousands worth of stuff here. < 1331985751 663943 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a £ worth these days? < 1331985758 874756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$NaN < 1331985774 754976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i recall some article talking about treasure chests in java games < 1331985793 735443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've got both trueSpace 1.0 on this SuperCD and trueSpace 3/SE on another. < 1331985822 379649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant quite recall if that was the same magazine i got some kind of c++ with.. also some article about expert systems comes to mind < 1331985834 972385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I have your seedies? < 1331985850 917757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the Borland. :/ It was probably not in a jewel case so it's in some big pile of those. < 1331985852 374490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i was in hospital or something at the time so they got me magazines < 1331985860 662301 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The best way to learn Haskell is to read http://learnyouahaskell.com/ < 1331985896 324072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1331985912 490530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so system32 has 64-bit binaries and syswow64 has 32-bit ones < 1331985924 672030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Home Page: This is the complete commercial HTML editor from Claris. It will enable you to create your own WWW site pages without ever needing to know a single HTML tag." < 1331985958 879962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's also bundled an IE4 beta for Windows 3.1 on this. < 1331985967 948279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this old mag claims the cd contained: webgenie shopping cart professional 2.09a valued at 750AUD < 1331985985 520488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I WANT IT. < 1331985990 422273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those things had a £345 "personnel management" software. < 1331986013 441965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 30-day trial of "Klik and Create"! Great stuff. < 1331986019 790387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What would you expect? < 1331986041 716425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see.. i had pc plus may 98 < 1331986047 369192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd is guaranteed to be gone < 1331986064 257069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have PC Plus July 98 here. < 1331986066 480566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the mag is here in bad nick :D < 1331986074 136922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 1998 was the year. < 1331986080 715481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember 1998? < 1331986096 806784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes c++ builder stuff < 1331986100 714156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331986112 245430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a computer. I think I watched some tennis. < 1331986119 490324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember very little of my early life. < 1331986123 850891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1331986146 800334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jan 98, Oct 97 SuperCDs are also here. But not May 98. Wonder where that's went. < 1331986150 943170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ builder as sold for 80 pounds >.< < 1331986167 968244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse them and their cheap compilers < 1331986189 728577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh dance ejay < 1331986197 731994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-ROM Today, December 1995: "[8] Endorfun (Win): Subliminal messages? See what all the fuss is about." < 1331986201 226658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember this. < 1331986208 612259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was even an article in one of the Finnish magazines. < 1331986213 610512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably why this cd got taken.. cos it had dance ejay on it < 1331986234 387878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorfun -- Wikipedia remembers it too, but not the "controversy", really. < 1331986237 487942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imagine if you had gone with the tennis instead of the computers < 1331986248 12012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were all "computer DRUGS oh no" about it. < 1331986259 712025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't exactly fun to play, I think. < 1331986319 881577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's "Klik & Play", the precursor of "Klik & Create", I think. < 1331986412 344813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this world, elliott does computers, and the world gets destroyed by his evil AI. in that other world, elliott does tennis, and the defenseless world is destroyed by invading aliens. < 1331986424 790209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he beats them with a megaracket. < 1331986459 892027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of that comic. < 1331986473 143246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the one. < 1331986474 454551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic? < 1331986478 895244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is elliott's fault < 1331986481 50207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the spot < 1331986554 604954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet fizzie knows it. < 1331986557 801782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, I ended up doing what you suggested, an in-browser gcolor that just doesn't bother about sharing the results. But it uses Flickr for images, so the results are also worse; Flickr isn't so good about ranking by relevance. Anyway, http://zem.fi/misc_fcolor.html -- hasn't been tested much. < 1331986570 346969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331986586 902508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) == (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1331986587 758650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating [a]) < 1331986587 920128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GHC.Floa... < 1331986589 266921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have read very little superhero comics since the 80s < 1331986595 1905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) ! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1331986595 815447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Arr.Array i e' < 1331986596 1486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred t... < 1331986600 561243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) !! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1331986601 357261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1331986601 561892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `a1 -> [a1]' < 1331986601 816873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the genre involved < 1331986605 949120 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> 1 + (1 / x)) 1 !! 38== (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1331986606 918098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1331986613 263835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331986622 433224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just understood infinite fractionny things < 1331986646 695449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still demand a web interface to the real thing. < 1331986667 963055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation is nice though. < 1331986674 240665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I searched for "poop" so I can't watch it. < 1331986685 888321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This one: http://www.kiwisbybeat.com/minus37.html < 1331986691 225324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put a CGIfication of actual gcolor on the to-do list. < 1331986726 77117 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE CANNOT DO A THING! PROBABLY! < 1331986726 972087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CGI? You are so "old schoole". < 1331986733 657876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make sure it has ALL THE FEATURES I demanded! < 1331986785 940939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right, i remember it was linked from SROMG < 1331986813 47769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was part of the "sounds like minus" meme) < 1331986814 240979 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331986814 402739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after about 1/4th of the images analyzed, the color of fizzie is apparently #916756 (brown) < 1331986874 153648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you make it make a bleep noise when it's done so I know when it's safe to observe the poop? < 1331986882 441276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> 1 + (1/x)) :: CReal < 1331986886 202015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1331986887 830958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1331986916 989390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSUFFICIENTLY LAZY < 1331986935 917336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need some range restriction for convergence < 1331986955 102230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can CReal do that < 1331987011 777125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> abs $ 1 + (1/x)) :: CReal < 1331987015 592569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1331987028 583182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure _that_ could have worked in theory. < 1331987041 641113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory. < 1331987046 178294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that CReal sucks. < 1331987048 153269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Few Digits. < 1331987055 278523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1331987080 65876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what?"? < 1331987151 722782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hjalp < 1331987154 869101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Few Digits < 1331987171 331478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://r6.ca/FewDigits/ < 1331987176 111840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the better CReal library :P < 1331987227 208122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently the show throws an error." < 1331987272 737015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has a function to show to # digits... < 1331987377 422210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It'll leave the last poop image on the analysis display, though. < 1331987437 724590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thankfully it was a smiley poop. (Why don't you have a link trail?) < 1331987490 176706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZDF4cw < 1331987497 851341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smiley poop. < 1331987505 287164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#906b4d is a very poop colour. < 1331987529 65317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'poop' is a good search, since most of the "returns all kinds of images" searches end up brown. < 1331987663 61451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://math-classes.org/ < 1331988180 320251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331989315 589597 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-73.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331989322 952211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't need math classes :| < 1331989382 10709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DYK the colour of zem is #805548? < 1331989385 602771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But Coq! < 1331989406 671490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but elliott i already know all the maths < 1331989430 953062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what am collatz < 1331989594 635527 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal diagrams get pretty ugly pretty fast < 1331989694 443193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I K it now. < 1331989695 9402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is the primary indicator i cannot understand a diagram < 1331990034 962173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I K is I K nothing. < 1331990226 7257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one area i especially struggle in computation models is having an intuitive sense of what is reasonable and unreasonable uses. < 1331990263 799311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the "rain man" is unreasonable at counting. < 1331990338 446422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know that many things are unreasonable to do with a turing tarpit. but at the same time haskell isn't a turing tarpit < 1331990365 409558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even lisp isn't from what i can infer < 1331990392 354920 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: why? < 1331990441 93514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thought of sitting down to actually study really really offends me < 1331990509 515300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to use some form of casual self therapy to become a student < 1331990683 563289 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few weeks ago i read the first 30 pages of war and peace (in english of course).. i'd once read the first 12 before < 1331990742 916824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the end of it i was just feeling tense < 1331990807 64271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it is anything to do with the book itself < 1331990832 134151 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331990936 173166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one option on the table is to watch video lectures :-D < 1331990958 626096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331990958 788265 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-116.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331990979 111430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a link someone posted somewhere which led me to some but havent tried em yet < 1331991683 176111 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.235 NICK :MDude < 1331992212 396232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331992219 617889 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-116.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331992888 576100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaPm_SFJnpY < 1331992893 343657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please explain yourselves, Finland. < 1331993102 560795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of an issue about Hevisaurus, something related to the record label company, I think they lost their case quasi-recently. < 1331993122 863962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In early 2011, the founder of the band, Mirka Rantanen, got into a disagreement with the band's record label Sony Music. Because of this, Rantanen and three other band members belonging to the band's live assembly founded a new band called Sauruxet, which has continued making children's power metal music with the original concept and nearly identical artist names. The band Hevisaurus keeps ... < 1331993128 904026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... its lead singer, its producers and the original stage costumes." < 1331993134 839067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about the newer band not being able to use the old characters. < 1331993152 927942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm not sure what's there to explain. < 1331993163 621864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real metal story until someone gets killed. < 1331993168 341577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Tinisaurus < 1331993169 80208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them's the rules. < 1331993193 64857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the thing to explain would be why your children's bands are metal-playing dinosaurs. < 1331993209 54815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinosaurs are heavy, aren't they? < 1331993241 269735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The usual heavy metal fan may not be a five-year-old girl in pigtails, but she is typical of hardcore following of Hevisaurus, a metal band that has hooked the kiddie crowd in Finland. < 1331993245 329474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group, which rocks on about homework and monsters, played its first gig, a charity event, only last September but its fan base of mainly five-to-seven-year-olds has grown rapidly." < 1331993306 562549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all started a few years ago when Rantanen attended a children's concert with his own kids, now five and 11. < 1331993306 724158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What if I started making music for kids?" he thought. "What if it was heavy metal, since that's what I've been doing for 25 years?" < 1331993314 921309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see not much thought went into this thing. < 1331993401 17645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“I’m a kind of 1980s relic. You could call me a dinosaur,” said Rantanen, now better known as an Apatosaurus called Komppi Momppi." < 1331993441 691750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“It’s the best because it’s heavy,” said five-year-old Rico, who attended a packed concert in the southern city of Haemeenlinna wearing a Hevisaurus sweater and hat, and waving a Hevisaurus flag made by his dad." < 1331993447 708356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think that makes sense. < 1331993499 695753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit, the logic is impeccable. < 1331993699 930717 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before reading the context, I thought the quote about Rantanen was a joke. < 1331993717 207926 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, he says, "Oh, I'm really old, you could call me a dinosaur," and so suddenly everyone does. < 1331993752 267766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be funnier. < 1331994568 124709 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-30.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331995022 384404 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-9.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331995485 304553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what should I name a CSS class meaning "all

 children of this won't have the ugly border"?
< 1331995545 253340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :class="allprechildrenofthiswonthavetheuglyborder"
< 1331995563 527472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX
< 1331995575 383139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the audio thing.
< 1331995629 849876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331995723 48867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1331995816 367283 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1331995839 837261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1331995854 487364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (\(a,b) -> map (\(x,y) -> (a*x,y)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995854 949423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. ((`ap` snd) . (. fst) . flip ((.) . map . (`ap` snd) . (. fst) . ((,) .) . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995858 729194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1331995889 418905 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (\(a,b) -> map (first (a*)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995889 752716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. ((`ap` snd) . (. fst) . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995905 169005 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \xs f -> concatMap (uncurry $ \a b -> map (first (a*)) (f b)) xs
< 1331995905 426660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. (uncurry . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995920 431966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful.
< 1331995935 868058 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl flip $ \f -> concatMap (uncurry $ \a -> map (first (a*)) . f)
< 1331995936 256838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. (uncurry . flip ((.) . map . first . (*)))) . (>>=)
< 1331995960 400373 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (uncurry $ \a -> map (first (a*)) . f)
< 1331995960 682313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uncurry ((. f) . map . first . (*)) =<<)
< 1331996019 708508 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1331996058 934220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hoogle first
< 1331996062 963066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah keyboard
< 1331996067 535801 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle first
< 1331996067 854155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid First :: Maybe a -> First a
< 1331996068 87080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid newtype First a
< 1331996068 249031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow first :: Arrow a => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d)
< 1331996115 920162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1331996355 908546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're a CSS line-wrapping wizard, right?
< 1331996374 488707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1331996408 876683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What!
< 1331996412 106257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which Finn is an expert in that?
< 1331996446 759994 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me
< 1331996543 609083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: All I want is visible indicators of wrapping. :(
< 1331996618 215156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.iany.me/2012/02/css-line-wrap-indicator/
< 1331996639 611732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OH WELL AREN'T YOU FANCY.
< 1331996650 635096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourgeois scum!
< 1331996656 893064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "First, the code block in pre must be split by lines and add markup so that CSS can be applied."
< 1331996666 648758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course it's trivial if you do that.
< 1331996676 911970 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, you can't do it.
< 1331996680 807979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki doesn't give me that choice.
< 1331996694 414525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh? A proof of a weaker statement doesn't mean the stronger statement is false.
< 1331996701 767538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means the blog author wasn't smart enough to come up with one.
< 1331996708 155305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a proof
< 1331996731 56639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my hunch and the first google result match, it's true.
< 1331996783 438325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How does that result match with a disproof?
< 1331996791 880218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"must" is in the context of describing one particular technique.
< 1331996794 814034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it must be done for that code to work.
< 1331996887 953058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors/#selection
< 1331997096 162373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "p :not(:first-line) :first-line" will work.
< 1331997205 2380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, nope, because it's a "pseudo-element"
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< 1331997258 794876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What did you google for, FWIW?
< 1331997313 276878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=css%20line%20wrapping%20indicator
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< 1332000866 950541 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here familiar with engraving music?
< 1332000939 259747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTENSELY.
< 1332000945 579088 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1332000977 612393 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a triplet where the first two notes are tied. Should I engrave this as a quarter note and an eigth note under the triplet, or two tied eighths and a third eighth under the same bar?
< 1332000996 6507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five hams and a quart of rum.
< 1332001006 802133 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You can answer!
< 1332001012 830236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't LilyPond have an answer?
< 1332001016 31247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear LilyPond is good.
< 1332001023 558491 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using lilypond
< 1332001041 791273 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just engraves what I tell it to
< 1332001042 779637 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Quarter and eighth under the triplet. Tying is gross unless absolutely necessary. You can always put a bar under the '3' if it's unclear.
< 1332001054 705527 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Thanks
< 1332001058 429532 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I agree)
< 1332001065 357240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think you should go with four hams and a quart of rum.
< 1332001073 156126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add a footnote to clarify your meaning.
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< 1332001113 844595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Just since I feel like asking: do you consider tying across a bar to be a necessity versus putting a note whose duration is longer than the rest of the measure?
< 1332001133 918138 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That case I consider necessary, yes.
< 1332001142 282985 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, good.
< 1332001152 223913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs everyone who thinks otherwise

< 1332001155 815697 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the list of horrible sins, notes implicitly going over barlines is worse than ties X-D
< 1332001156 362902 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a flute
< 1332001256 480454 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has a good melody

< 1332001263 639844 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or four bars of one, anyway
< 1332001302 653989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a good MAMMARY.
< 1332001307 197232 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring an infinite sequence of notes, each with duration 2/3rds of a beat less than the previous
< 1332001317 138323 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, elliott discovered hormones
< 1332001459 563735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's not my fault "melody" has like NO words that sound vaguely like it.
< 1332001467 146425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, more like I just discovered MORMONS.
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< 1332004208 702281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know how you asked if #haskell got better in your absence?
< 1332004239 991110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It didn't, it got worse.
< 1332004261 502251 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asks how to get a UTCTime out of an IO UTCTime, someone suggests unsafePerformIO
< 1332004385 342000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332004423 53494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332004438 674321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the start of a new esolang formulating
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< 1332004478 219125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332004487 365947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean I've got all the commands in some sort of format that only makes sense to me
< 1332004524 378405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then document it in a way others can unterstand?
< 1332004528 310732 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to decide whether the memory word should be 4-bit or 8-bit
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< 1332004531 458739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1332004583 571718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean SOON
< 1332004595 524564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Turing-complete
< 1332004653 803696 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I don't need all these commands
< 1332004714 168824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye
< 1332004716 180598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1332004721 487089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1332004773 435619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Taneb is always like that.
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< 1332004788 868136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have an adequate supply of crack to help you keep pace.
< 1332004855 540642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks ;) @crack
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< 1332004965 891980 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a Common Lisp kick, how do I get my mind in Haskell mode.
< 1332004975 413817 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although what I really want is utterly demented Haskell mode.
< 1332005012 417634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less braces.
< 1332005016 783382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more pure.
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< 1332005040 742848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brackets
< 1332005043 659055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Common Lisp sucks. Haskell doesn't suck as much.
< 1332005047 738073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope this helps.
< 1332005048 186323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you call (
< 1332005055 598140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Parentheses.
< 1332005060 45222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn :(
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< 1332005227 992288 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell is a strict, imperative, strongly-typed language."
< 1332005235 157245 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, strict?
< 1332005236 555935 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh
< 1332005247 775822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, imperative?
< 1332005248 608771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh
< 1332005256 875059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes strict with "eager"

< 1332005266 155056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1332005267 15405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is not eager.
< 1332005271 984863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is no way eager.
< 1332005280 113882 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bet I can fake it
< 1332005284 705441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is the laziest guy I know. Seriously, such a drain-on-societys-resources.
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< 1332005384 739610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm wondering if I should replace "strongly-typed" with ... well, dynamically typed is still not necessarily weakly typed.
< 1332005387 86308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of ways Common Lisp sucks: (1) Terrible standardisation (basic facilities such as threading and networking are unportable and have to be abstracted behind numerous APIs); (2) Packaging situation might even be worse than Haskell's; (3) Baroque warts of complexity lying around (yes, Haskell has them, but far fewer); (4) Namespace upon namespace without any orthographic distinction (like Haskell's initial capitals) making a huge mess out of thi
< 1332005387 248309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngs (e.g. if you name a variable "list"); (5) Sub-par static checking
< 1332005409 37848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7) Fairly stagnant community, esp. as far as new general-purpose libraries goes, esp. "outside-world" interfacings tuff
< 1332005430 560520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8) All the usual language flaws of impurity, wimpy type system, etc.
< 1332005437 482774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9) More I've surely forgotten.
< 1332005497 30657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, (10) Unsafe/difficult-to-use/error-prone/ugly macro system
< 1332005510 157997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :defmacro!!
< 1332005530 162091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Haskell has Template Haskell.
< 1332005534 207117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11) LOOP and FORMAT, 'nuff said.
< 1332005543 354490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kinda not-understandable at all.
< 1332005551 934946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell isn't all that difficult.
< 1332005568 635560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's poorly explained
< 1332005580 654253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1332005584 114495 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I'm just doing Haskell stuff until a certain date
< 1332005592 302065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens after that date?
< 1332005597 872153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still preferring Common Lisp, but this project only makes sense in Haskell.
< 1332005603 664965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You forgot a mapostrophe.
< 1332005610 750730 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the deadline for this project to make any sense passes.
< 1332005614 648338 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for a year.
< 1332005618 129523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You forgot the part where Common Lisp is inferior to Haskell in basically every conceivable way.
< 1332005620 416834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I might not understand the type magic behind it ;)
< 1332005631 197457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I know nothing about type theory.
< 1332005654 210330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Template Haskell has exactly 0 type magic.
< 1332005662 770257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It practically has negative amounts of type theory.
< 1332005665 707709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even type its splices.
< 1332005693 204953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud, if I suggest NoImplicitPrelude, I'm going to need to export a lot of stuff from the Prelude
< 1332005698 751683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ($) and (+)
< 1332005711 426526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dare I ask what this project is?
< 1332005742 869597 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An April Fools Haskell tutorial
< 1332005757 198125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I knew I would regret asking.
< 1332005766 3518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I asked anyway.
< 1332005953 862385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Variables, variables, variables. How to do variables.
< 1332005981 230902 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does every non-referentially-transparent function need NOINLINE?
< 1332005997 771701 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing so. Can I have an entire file be assumed to have NOINLINE everywhere?
< 1332006022 773249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it would need NOINLINE. Or conversely, what the hell you think NOINLINE will prevent.
< 1332006062 719231 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IO being executed too early?
< 1332006071 451692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1332006117 165041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a unsafeCurrentTime :: UTCTIme, does that need to be noinlined if I want every place that it's used to see the current time and not the time that it was when ... bluh
< 1332006174 982541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can't do that, fulls top.
< 1332006176 581104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*full stop.
< 1332006184 261173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CAF.
< 1332006191 974854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be evaluated once and replaced by its value.
< 1332006194 814954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just how it works.
< 1332006275 102442 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for an option to disable that

< 1332006282 318856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't.
< 1332006285 682307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how GHC works, fundamentally.
< 1332006290 698579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how the entire evaluation model works.
< 1332006291 539866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't IO prevent that?
< 1332006313 58062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, my entire goal is to be stupid in Haskell.
< 1332006329 127740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the question would be
< 1332006344 833294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :: UTCTime behaves differently than :: IO UTCTime
< 1332006404 916405 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use the IO monad, that's cheating.
< 1332006434 238302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Because IO a is State# RealWorld -> (# a, State# RealWorld #).
< 1332006470 755767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1332006476 998950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense then.
< 1332006517 584247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but..
< 1332006518 373498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1332006533 80823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar :: Int -> IO Int
< 1332006549 622469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually foobar MUST yield the same result everytime, when called with the same argument.
< 1332006559 49875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "MUST".
< 1332006561 278125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is GHC.
< 1332006572 609169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (->) in that IO definition is the arrow of impure functions.
< 1332006576 575308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And State# isn't really anything at all.
< 1332006582 248483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a big con to fool the compiler internals.
< 1332006611 560109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu @ (->) ?
< 1332006618 713782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1332006657 131899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means what it means: the (->) being used in that definition of IO allows impure side-effects.
< 1332006746 214487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IO is just a Type?
< 1332006791 179540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh?
< 1332006798 349306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a function
< 1332006798 966768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332006808 333094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar :: a -> m b
< 1332006817 384283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I call it twice with the same argument
< 1332006817 546686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all about black magic implementation details. As far as Haskell is concerned, IO has no definition.
< 1332006825 413774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC breaks the rules to define IO.
< 1332006834 149628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should only be evaluated once.
< 1332006837 443063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat?
< 1332006838 167151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332006843 799075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Haskell compiler does automatic memoisation.
< 1332006846 832065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a one-way ticket to space leaks.
< 1332006859 703442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And slowness, for that matter.)
< 1332006862 680670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332006882 672645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- foobar 1; b <- foobar 1; return (a,b); }
< 1332006890 735699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> do { a <- foobar 1; return (a,a); }
< 1332006900 167941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332006902 912571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's complete and utter nonsense.
< 1332006905 495061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar = print
< 1332006915 224777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- print 1; b <- print 1; return (a, b) }
< 1332006920 999679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> do { a <- print 1; return (a, a) }
< 1332006922 161667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not.
< 1332006937 919802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but why?
< 1332006951 423450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because
< 1332006957 937143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1 >> print 1 >> return (a,b)
< 1332006958 983605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :===
< 1332006964 14820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1332006967 353040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1 >> print 1
< 1332006967 991740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :===
< 1332006969 965389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = print 1 in x >> x
< 1332006970 770651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referential transparency should allow that to happen?
< 1332006973 121157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not ===
< 1332006976 777409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = print 1 in x
< 1332006980 642257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than 1+1 must equal 1
< 1332006986 320866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x >> x does not necessarily equal x
< 1332006999 518972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332007101 561813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should it bother to evaluate x twice?
< 1332007112 903970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already know the result of x based on the result of the first.
< 1332007143 46142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are mistaking monadic execution with evaluation.
< 1332007146 589242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the list monad.
< 1332007150 542555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] >> [1,2,3]
< 1332007151 430640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3]
< 1332007169 463710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it evaluate [1,2,3] twice? Well, whether it does or it doesn't, it's irrelevant.
< 1332007178 331956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>) is just a function like any other, and it gets passed through the same.
< 1332007227 131836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, print 1 can be evaluated as many times as you like. When evaulated, it doesn't print anything. It just becomes a value saying "When I'm executed, print 1"
< 1332007353 503608 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1332007355 946959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :best explanation
< 1332007397 103156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not best, it's slightly inaccurate.
< 1332007398 827040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adequate.
< 1332007430 722200 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm?
< 1332007452 237630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't "become" a value.
< 1332007480 538510 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :results in
< 1332007487 733214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say it evaluates to an action saying "On execution, print 1", but that seems unnecessarily operational to me.
< 1332007495 844231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is an action saying 'On execution, print 1'" conveys the exact same.
< 1332007548 404350 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except that that fails to mention the role that evaluation plays, in terms of not being execution
< 1332007582 327811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the role that evaluation plays is precisely nothing.
< 1332007593 605885 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, and that needs to be clarified.
< 1332007608 759601 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1332008001 562931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneeeeeeeeeeb.
< 1332008760 8287 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009366 115256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009376 167040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to update my esolangs page.
< 1332009382 732888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332009403 772059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1332009408 548410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappoitned in you >:(
< 1332009421 175445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have I done now?
< 1332009438 769304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the second person in a few days to add their own language to a concept's list of languages :P
< 1332009466 22854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did acknowledge my narcissism
< 1332009733 536194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332009736 721775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is appropriate to the article
< 1332009831 408269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332009875 352668 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88FBC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332009885 429947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the topic, and for a minute I thought it was September,
< 1332009932 775603 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can play Worms again
< 1332009940 474154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't.
< 1332009941 527646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought elliott couldn't?
< 1332009943 307856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indee.d
< 1332009980 941151 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my (legal) ISO, if that's any help
< 1332010051 815771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's an ISO problem, unfortunately. But I might try tomorrow, if you can think of a reasonable method of transfer.
< 1332010237 293273 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a hard time thinking of a reasonable method of transfer, unfortunately
< 1332010247 448627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carrier pigeon.
< 1332010311 581005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's mediedmiedimdimedieidififafiafiafyre.
< 1332010645 359618 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a mousepad :/
< 1332010774 320645 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! You have selected a file that is too large.
< 1332010781 225683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can use dropbox or something?
< 1332010834 929730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropbox would probably work. but no point until tomorrow
< 1332010941 318580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332010944 412806 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I paste to something other than Public, could Is till share that file?
< 1332011292 360197 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file appears to not be showing up on the website
< 1332011409 958237 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I didn't have dropbox running. Brillian
< 1332011466 504073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332013271 960025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the worms where a bunch of worm sprites wander about a bitmapped terrain with tnt that works like an image editor erasor?
< 1332013276 615318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-133.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332013283 256373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332013291 370922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that series, yes
< 1332013295 459264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo
< 1332013317 228236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you have older worms in mind, Worms: Armageddon looks better
< 1332013321 817846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1332013329 174805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if elliott gets it working
< 1332013334 34812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can play with iti
< 1332013336 590961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be
< 1332013339 394201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smoothest thing
< 1332013344 520982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1332013349 307492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curvature
< 1332013351 135542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have worms united cd.. but it broke
< 1332013359 404141 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 minutes left
< 1332013361 970780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be closer to zero than zero itself
< 1332013381 171892 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have an iso?
< 1332013388 753328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on Vax, no.
< 1332013389 405341 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if not I'm uploading one to dropbox.
< 1332013410 500267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not asking to play.. im just saying worms is one of the great games :d
< 1332013420 892212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes, yes it is.
< 1332013463 596714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no you must play
< 1332013466 532411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are so stupid
< 1332013468 513526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be
< 1332013470 705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so smooth
< 1332013507 722836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts to imagine esolangers in worms

< 1332013577 140014 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1332013931 338339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Hey, what should I name a CSS class meaning "all 
 children of this won't have the ugly border"? <-- yay!
< 1332013957 590346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure "yay" is such a descriptive name.
< 1332013972 390540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS FOR ME
< 1332013985 848039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because i suggested such a feature.
< 1332014017 483426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, something reasonably equivalently useable.)
< 1332014036 446201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i guess i was asking if it already existed.
< 1332014070 12564 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest nougly
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< 1332014964 191034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I saw the topic, and for a minute I thought it was September, <-- september 1993, to be precise.
< 1332014990 552951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i wasn't thinking of that when setting the topic.
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< 1332017293 39845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78
< 1332017296 743778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang: The Movie
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< 1332017404 769895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yH_j8-VVLo
< 1332017411 690606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only true Erlang movie.
< 1332017477 859654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i heard about that
< 1332017485 327711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1332017486 484951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1332017489 751323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332017503 855615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the UNCOMFORTABLY PARALLEL one
< 1332017505 289607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it gets referenced when i am being dumb or annoying
< 1332017546 839685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people start greeting each other
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< 1332021129 78961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, reading the diff algo you linked me to here, and I think I see where this is going
< 1332021152 875166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous algorithm's equivalent to Dijkstra's in state space, and it's doing A* or an equivalent instead
< 1332021213 93194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the example code is in Pascal
< 1332021225 389508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with operators replaced with mathematical notation, the same way papers sometimes do for Haskell
< 1332021310 732364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for.
< 1332021330 465186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -Syu is failing because of an invalid signature.
< 1332021377 401113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please tell me that program has a filename clash with the game Pacman ;)
< 1332021428 855516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I doubt it.
< 1332021493 489205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should have asked elliott about that pre thing before :P

< 1332021501 122569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1332021531 603267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now most of the formatting weirdness for the Qdeql tables is gone
< 1332021784 19828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only remains for someone to actually understand them :P
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< 1332023396 116402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found on Wikipedia, they do have a 0 longitude on Mars.
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< 1332024143 175072 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WEB replaces some Pascal operators with mathematical notations, but it also includes support for named chunks, pool strings, and octal and hexadecimal constants.
< 1332024176 545104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeX is written in WEB)
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< 1332028566 128237 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the packaged BZFlag is obsolete
< 1332028567 964967 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh
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< 1332029395 617939 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332029471 106818 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1332029629 573953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely unintentionally, Icosahedral RPG differs from D&D 3E in almost the completely opposite way to 4E differing from 3E. I started Icosahedral even before 4E was announced. 4E keeps challenge rating and discards level adjustment, while Icosahedral keeps level adjustment but discards challenge rating. 4E keeps class skills but not skills ranks; Icosahedral keeps skill ranks but not class skills. And so on.
< 1332029653 211382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to get rid of the d10 because it is not a Platonic solid, but I cannot easily do so.
< 1332029822 855448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I made it, level adjustments are actually replaced by a slightly more general concept of "pseudolevels", which work mostly in the same way; and it now applies to all creatures instead of only some.)
< 1332029841 991599 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, someone tell me if it's reasonable to dismiss anyone who thinks Feyerabend was on to something as an idiot.
< 1332029847 163124 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're writing something called Icosahedral?
< 1332030199 11151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: I have not yet written a lot, but it is a role playing game; I have written parts of the document. I have also written the markup language for it, called Icoruma, in PHP; but I might reimplement Icoruma in C or Haskell later on.
< 1332030219 25190 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, nice
< 1332030263 515751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can tell you that much of it is mathematical. A "mana" is a kind of mathematical thing, with primes and composites, multiplied together, like ordinary numbers; but there are only five prime manas. There is also multimana, which is the sum of zero or more manas.
< 1332030323 363737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "less than or equal to" can be defined on multimanas, which is also important to the spellcasting in this game.
< 1332030358 517530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happens that a multimana forms a continuation (this was not the intention, but it happens to be the case anyways).
< 1332030393 218162 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sounds kinda insane
< 1332030560 528736 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like D&D 3E, the game has skills, feats, etc. One difference is that there are no separate race stat blocks and creature stat blocks; they are unified. Another difference is that spellcasting is very different. You increase in ability scores less often than 3E. There are many other differences too.
< 1332030667 70357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no "epic" either; classes simply go up to level 100 (but you can still multiclass).
< 1332030713 574430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nearly all experience points is "ad hoc" in Icosahedral; there are not standard methods for gaining experience points.
< 1332030836 834778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of the standard rules of Icosahedral RPG are possible to use as optional rules in D&D 3E, and I will describe two of them. One is resurrection, in which you age twice as fast while dead (there are also a few other minor differences in resurrection). Another is that alignment entries in creature stat blocks mostly describe superstition rather than reality.
< 1332030863 969668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest using these two rules even in D&D because it makes the game more interesting in my opinion.
< 1332031225 478234 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a D&D player so most of that went over my head
< 1332031257 17422 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your Icosahedral will be a table-top game like that?
< 1332031476 51863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a table-top game.
< 1332031490 872013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using pencil, paper, book, and dice.
< 1332031563 303397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1332031593 469570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Icoruma markup language can be used to document other role playing games too, though.
< 1332031615 627316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Icoruma" is actually short for "Icosahedral Rules Markup" since that is its original use.)
< 1332031755 225495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of "dungeon master", the term used in this game is "referee".
< 1332031848 451078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fundamental Rule of Icosahedral RPG says: "All rules have exceptions, including this one."
< 1332031878 125637 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep

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< 1332032799 55193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multimana x is less than or equal to a multimana y if and only if you can match each mana in x with a mana in y such that: Each mana in x matches to a distinct mana in y (although there can be multiple equal manas in y, and you do not have to use all the manas of y), and the mana in y which each mana in x is matched up with, the one in x must be a factor of the one it is matched up with it in y.
< 1332032803 943748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this look correct to you?
< 1332033573 851855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *sounds* like an okay partial order, at least at a glance.
< 1332033632 535499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that, just if x is not less than or equal to y does not necessarily make y less than or equal to x; this is intentional.
< 1332033752 19666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thus 'partial'.
< 1332035572 224777 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally got my interpreter for the Alchemy language working and written nicely
< 1332035572 753649 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/shadwick/alchemy/wiki/Home
< 1332035593 845087 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll update the esolang wiki page soon to fill in info its missing..
< 1332036266 316122 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, UPDATE
< 1332036267 375448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, 
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< 1332043362 217282 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently I accidentally joined #trains without noticing.
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< 1332043381 132440 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I mind trains, but that particular virtual channel seems to keep growing...
< 1332043386 308800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols
< 1332043403 935239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people are wrong about trains
< 1332043407 683302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the internet
< 1332043421 422267 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta turn the wrong people into right people.
< 1332043441 195262 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you understand
< 1332043465 110882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By calling them communist.
< 1332043475 244943 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, lexande isn't the wrong one.
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< 1332043611 793086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332044330 809202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : rocket sleds go much faster, but are not generally used in revenue service
< 1332045307 30333 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come SIGSTOP has the effect of killing processes that are in the middle of dying but not dying for some reason?
< 1332045324 455450 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What does that mean?
< 1332045343 806200 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes firefox gets into a hang, SIGTERM won't get rid of it
< 1332045346 323305 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SIGSTOP will
< 1332045362 58061 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SIGSTOP isn't supposed to actually kill, only suspend
< 1332045571 217750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there Haskell library for geometry?
< 1332045739 908833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, strange, I've never seen that
< 1332045767 597333 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you can't catch SIGSTOP either
< 1332045778 90961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a matter of a signal handler un-wedging the process
< 1332045798 489349 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332045814 593620 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the process's parent kills it?
< 1332045815 285771 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's actually a nice trick since SIGKILL is nasty
< 1332045851 33630 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely
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< 1332049486 36548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is m4 actually a bad language or is it just associated with things people hate (autoconf, sendmail)
< 1332049600 622388 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's a slightly weird language.
< 1332049614 846551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my limited experience, it's not particularly great but it's not horrible either.
< 1332049628 894148 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have many competitors, especially portable/generally-available ones.
< 1332049845 743890 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1332049861 490200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone seen actual Haskell code which uses m4?
< 1332049879 117191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i complain about the lack of a good Haskell preprocessor people always suggest m4
< 1332049883 583573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get the impression they're trollin'
< 1332049895 565429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what have you used m4 for?
< 1332049899 76810 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a correct impression.
< 1332049918 342813 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At RDB we used it for making package description files and things like that.
< 1332049951 853205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with it isn't very extensive or anything, but that was the impression I got.
< 1332049988 188643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wish there was a viable alternative to CPP for preprocessing C code. :-(
< 1332050350 261295 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
< 1332050411 848162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There is CWEB and Enhanced CWEB which allows you to use CPP as well as other things, maybe that will ehlp?
< 1332050432 604394 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, WEB is a possibility.
< 1332050463 326195 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a pretty big change to how you write programs.
< 1332050494 125523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WEB is for Pascal, but it is a very good preprocessor for Pascal. CWEB is the similar thing for C codes.
< 1332050548 852009 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MatressDude
< 1332050557 985392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332050573 151789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the big change?
< 1332050759 445258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you be specific please?
< 1332050873 559381 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll admit that I haven't read many WEB-style programs, so I only have a vague impression of it. The programs I've seen have been split up and spread out in an order completely different from execution order. Well, not that normal C programs are written in "execution order" exactly, but this is much more extreme.
< 1332050896 125153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be better -- Knuth says it is -- but reading a CWEB program is a completely different experience from reading a C program.
< 1332050908 494281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is a program written in WEB; you can see that as one possible example.
< 1332050947 442223 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is published as a book, although you can also download it.)
< 1332050992 260863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of programs written in CWEB at http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/programs.html :-)
< 1332051069 78931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEB adds macros, octal constants, hexadecimal constants, ASCII character code constants, and pool strings, to Pascal, as well as named chunks reordering. C already has some of this stuff, but CWEB adds named chunks. There are also a few other features. And my own Enhanced CWEB adds even more things, such as being able to execute C codes at compile-time to generate C codes which will be compiled.
< 1332051174 261333 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ascherer/mmix/blob/master/mmixal.w
< 1332051186 416946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which exactly are features you have wanted to use?
< 1332051223 947933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cackala: What is all that mess?
< 1332051364 386683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written some programs in CWEB, such as the BytePusher implementation.
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< 1332051767 361705 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe literate programming would solve all my problems.
< 1332051790 266518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not all of them, but possibly many of them, depending on what your problem is!
< 1332052438 354749 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332054725 528996 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no ephemeris program in Haskell?
< 1332055457 888799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1332055482 132655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ime, literate programming is great for blog posts and the like
< 1332055495 212540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good for "real programming"
< 1332055516 583517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's based on using plain lhs, not any of the fancy systems which let you jump between source files, etc
< 1332055534 661575 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: .lhs is very different from WEB.
< 1332055558 68264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a different comment syntax for Haskell.
< 1332055620 207368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the philosophy behind literate programming is more than "comments are default"
< 1332055627 47748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can realize that within lhs to some degree
< 1332055671 613997 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the philosophy?
< 1332055696 673652 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is which? i didn't say what i thought the literate programming philosophy is
< 1332055707 926654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true; .lhs does not have the features of WEB. But it is possible for a .lhs file to be the format of other files such as TeX or MediaWiki or HTML or whatever. It can be done without needing a program to convert from one format to another, even.
< 1332055733 478346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, Markdown
< 1332055772 230422 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misread what you said.
< 1332055782 754508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In HTML, use  and in XHTML, use CDATA. In TeX, you need some macros to make it work but there are a few such things and I have written one called "birdstyle.tex". For MediaWiki, just surround the code in <pre> or <pre><nowiki> tags.)
< 1332055799 290590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know much about Markdown
< 1332055806 72056 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown+lhs is a nice format
< 1332055809 227717 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it a lot for my blog
< 1332055818 693662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandoc can render it to html with syntax highlighting
< 1332055860 565677 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However blog posts usually do not actually work like I specified so you cannot simply wget the article and run it.
< 1332055872 990254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332055881 448822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i provide a link to the code on github or somewhere
< 1332055929 597669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do it so that you can use wget or the save webpage function?
< 1332055934 380606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily
< 1332055939 200475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are probably ways
< 1332055948 340818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui the literate philosophy is that your source should be a document written for humans which explains how the program works
< 1332055955 435260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I told you how; there is one way for HTML and one way for XHTML.
< 1332055966 833882 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332056015 284254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to do using XMP and CDATA?
< 1332056151 515960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up some new commands in the .cabal file for printing literate Haskell programs, but as far as I know, there are no programs which will read those commands. But they start with "X-" so that it is not error if unrecognized.
< 1332056223 514938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I just found a "bug" shared among a large number of the C programs on Knuth's website.
< 1332056232 698692 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least according to C99.
< 1332056234 594510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What one is that?
< 1332056236 482108 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably C89 too.
< 1332056286 303175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it looks like I can make most of those programs crash under Solaris.
< 1332056295 416754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good?   http://sprunge.us/BaDc   It is incomplete; you can suggest to add more things
< 1332056353 681247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you look at my own packages on Hackage, you will see that they use that.)
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< 1332062712 507333 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332063307 699711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332063376 534305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332063558 421638 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1332066454 437173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a silly channel
< 1332066520 225004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're the silly.
< 1332066689 709884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: No quitting allowed.
< 1332066967 340516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1332067049 607886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their fluorescent nipples were drawn with a special rendering mode usually reserved for fog-piercing runway landing lights, so they could easily be seen from long distances in bad weather."
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< 1332068067 696544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1332070497 189802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332070654 943152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is ALMOST the TALLEST CHUPACABRA you will SING all MIDSUMMER: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332070753 746358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332070772 409105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332070869 728342 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332070996 159079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . N Basic Input/Output Commands‎; 02:21 . . (+2,938) . . 202.156.14.10 (Talk | block)‎ (Reimagined even more - wait, the old examples are now obsolete.)
< 1332070996 320982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . Basic Input/Output Commander‎; 02:21 . . (-169,556) . . 202.156.14.10 (Talk | block)‎ (Renamed: Basic Input/Output Commands) [rollback]
< 1332071021 90226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please go back in time and kill 202.156.14.10 so i do not have to do a history merge.
< 1332071064 381917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Esoteric_Operating_System&curid=8322&diff=31213&oldid=31116 also, tell them to stop editing comments that people have already replied to.
< 1332071065 343747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid my time machine still has some fundamental problems.
< 1332071081 554542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they edited /other people's comments/
< 1332071086 906811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make them in line with their edits
< 1332071092 620784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you asking me to do things you know i'm even _worse_ at than you?
< 1332071102 116095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether they just don't understand wikis, or don't care...
< 1332071106 410597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I don't feel the obligation to
< 1332071150 911794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: this procedure may only be undone by spending quite silly amounts of time. To undo a merge, see below. Do not do this if you're not sure what you're doing."
< 1332071193 403060 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, esoteric OSs
< 1332071196 638882 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember one
< 1332071215 252836 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "do something"-system
< 1332071237 396833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :petrovich?
< 1332071249 288142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something, abbreviated DOS
< 1332071311 883221 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1332071331 984074 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :liked the idea, but i was too afraid to actually test it
< 1332071401 903736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it doesn't actually exist :P
< 1332071408 88034 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay!
< 1332071441 370308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history merge complete!
< 1332071535 12593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i give myself a brief rest before teaching 202.156.14.10 how to move pages and use talk pages :P
< 1332071764 665998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: AGAINST, trying to tarnish Agora's fine history of coprophilia
< 1332071817 237363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'd expect coppro to not change that...
< 1332071874 949131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's proposed to change COPPRO STRAIGHT to COOK SCSTRAIGHT in the Map
< 1332071883 401799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because his name is scshunt these days
< 1332071888 467511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has oerjan even seen the map?)
< 1332071899 398250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1332071913 893832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see first rule in http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt :P (Rule 2105)
< 1332071927 636156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been around for a while.
< 1332071932 83620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, since 2005
< 1332071959 988109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasmania is new though
< 1332071969 853004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, New Zealand is
< 1332071974 70232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tasmania isn't
< 1332072069 414221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no tasmania, and you got the spelling of the second horrendously wrong.  i have this eerie feeling i've seen a similar map before somewhere, though.
< 1332072124 649577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what did i spell wrong.
< 1332072132 140754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :New C. Land
< 1332072144 600236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I do see tasmania.
< 1332072150 714234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thing with the Hobart label.
< 1332072175 79549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  well how could i know that when the name's not written on it.
< 1332072209 146261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hobart is a real place?
< 1332072219 739828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, neither Australia nor New Zealand are labelled there either :P
< 1332072237 725250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott is having mighty strong winds overhead right now.
< 1332072240 285425 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because it's the same size and shape as Tasmania and it's in the same place?
< 1332072286 276318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think you've forgotten to make a joke.
< 1332072295 452844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do that before acting clueless, you see
< 1332072300 501431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1332072306 170808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1332072339 303553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought my "eerie feeling" comment would be sufficient.
< 1332072366 79824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to be subtle when Phantom_Hoover is supplying the bricks.
< 1332072377 23160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the joke is that it looks like australia. ok
< 1332072455 341045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is curiously larger than norway and london combined
< 1332072474 780584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except its very desert
< 1332072563 22591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they haven't colonized the whale-shaped island yet.
< 1332072582 811371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a whale.
< 1332072606 581962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I was Mad Scientist and got the Map as my randomly-selected rule. that one was tricky.
< 1332072613 162358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very big.
< 1332072617 274123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wat
< 1332072625 507215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the rest is very small
< 1332072626 606253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's a whale, duh
< 1332072637 653855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see http://agora.qoid.us/rule/2192#610447, http://agora.qoid.us/rule/2193#610449)
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< 1332072684 708418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results of the Map being selected can be seen at the bottom of the latter. (but it will only make sense if you read the former first.)
< 1332072782 381473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two links have no line wrapping in my browser :(
< 1332072806 726096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :339,000km^2 + 450,000km^2 + 386,000km^2 + 244,000km^2 < 7,610,000km^2 .. australia's land area can swallow quite a lot
< 1332072812 839801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses <pre>.
< 1332072816 991528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't see why it shouldn't
< 1332072821 502678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wait
< 1332072825 800484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruleset is in pre-wrapped form
< 1332072831 111947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see whitespace but no line breaks?
< 1332072835 348089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332072842 987104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are even explicit <br />s in the content it inserts.
< 1332072847 177368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your browser is just completely broken.
< 1332072856 633625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here
< 1332072858 722406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/oldflr/1.872#rule-2192
< 1332072859 353785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. usa is bigger
< 1332072862 752728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/oldflr/1.874#rule-2193
< 1332072864 743683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1332072882 226321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, those are raw RCS files.)
< 1332072891 97577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt,v :P
< 1332072930 593027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: view source shows lots of <br \/>
< 1332072939 154928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the other links i gave should work
< 1332072944 693233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok it's not a raw RCS file, it's processed by the script that adds the links and stuff.)
< 1332072986 26489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it's a js string
< 1332073016 933290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan is determined to use the broken links i gave :P
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< 1332073061 189004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just looking at the source
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< 1332073134 436782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems much like the frankenstein monster back in my time
< 1332073224 679039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lead to some fun scams due to being a person.
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< 1332073320 58257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Half-Life-2/
< 1332073763 995403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, the difference between http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_bitwidth_conversions&oldid=31203 and http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_bitwidth_conversions&oldid=31223 worries me.
< 1332073776 575967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow <pre class="plain">blah</pre> has _less_ margin than <code>blah</code>
< 1332073778 474383 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SINISTER
< 1332073786 337627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly something to do with the line height
< 1332073845 438366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i noted in [[Qdeql]] the lines got less tall, but then i realized it actually looked better that way.
< 1332073885 820549 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES
< 1332073894 345232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticed
< 1332073908 302197 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, hahahaha i thought this was half-life 2 not harry potter
< 1332073970 191044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, some of the spacing depends on the height of the cell overall
< 1332073973 980652 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width of the blocks differ, too
< 1332073993 68119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332074076 52740 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the second one everything on css that is applied to the code fills out the whole table cell
< 1332074096 125814 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the first one it only applies on the code itself
< 1332074135 382328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of this realization was due to looking at both versions, confusing which was the old and new one, and wondering why the new one was so much uglier.)
< 1332074242 875176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: erm the width looks identical to me
< 1332074306 739324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width is the same here
< 1332074308 81819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browser?
< 1332074319 702217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, code being inline and pre being block complicates this
< 1332074321 387468 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width of the cells are
< 1332074330 201403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> (some of this realization was due to looking at both versions, confusing which was the old and new one, and wondering why the new one was so much uglier.)
< 1332074330 794964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332074363 858025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had to revert a couple of <pre>'s to <code> because of that inline vs. block thing, i first got confused why it suddenly wrapped lines...
< 1332074387 644901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those were the cells that mixed code and ordinary text
< 1332074388 24920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the thing about this is that if you add any non-preformatted text in another cell on the same row, it'll grow to the same height as it was before turning into pre
< 1332074392 435168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it uglier, to me
< 1332074399 38631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., imagine if you have a table where only some rows have non-preformatted text
< 1332074405 933974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have varying heights of rows
< 1332074411 227252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming all the <pre>s are one line)
< 1332074502 853566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, but are you sure <code> has the same height as non-preformatted text, anyhow
< 1332074577 364390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's an inline element with no padding, margin or line-height, so I'm going to go with yes. but let me prepare a test
< 1332074635 210840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm
< 1332074637 765504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31225
< 1332074638 772087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31227
< 1332074643 891654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, apparently
< 1332074664 706542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh
< 1332074666 989319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31225
< 1332074667 531504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31228
< 1332074672 475624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre.plain _is_ definitely less tall
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< 1332076930 100401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/KeepingTrack.html
< 1332077214 559288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the test phase of the WWW project, the port number to which the daemon listens was 2784. W3 has officially allocated port number 80. Servers should use port 80 and advertise their address with the explicit port number (i.e. http://host:80/etc...)."
< 1332077564 415184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder if there will be a Portal 3? I just can't see where you would go from the ending of Portal 2 though...
< 1332077673 785496 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332077686 640827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Portal 3: Portal in Space"? 
< 1332077692 692137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332077721 809583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you pretty much have to change the protagonist though
< 1332077731 947059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be Wheatley.
< 1332077734 665087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's already in space.
< 1332077742 14898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the protagonist? Oh god
< 1332077746 829304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, or the Space Core.
< 1332077759 814803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that ended up in Tamriel
< 1332077855 783287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RFCs that include URLs as generic examples must be careful to use the particular example URLs defined in RFC 2606, "Reserved Top-Level DNS Names", to avoid accidental conflicts with real URLs.
< 1332077855 945404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1332077865 689366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 2606 does not actually define any URLs at all.
< 1332077871 216778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS, RFC EDITOR!
< 1332077889 865092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, spoilers. :(
< 1332077906 95517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you haven't played Portal 2?
< 1332077913 657450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I haven't played Portal, either.
< 1332077929 548790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now you NEVER WILL ah ah AH ah.
< 1332077934 678791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because: it was spoiled.
< 1332077946 162393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played them because I don't have a computer that can play them.
< 1332077959 707409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Mac should be able to. But that's in a box somewhere.
< 1332077967 922878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have Windows installed on it.
< 1332077988 996852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no, I haven't played Portal and Portal 2 yet, and would prefer to avoid spoilers for the latter.
< 1332077998 187061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Avoiding spoilers for Portal is impossible.)
< 1332077998 368446 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :play dwarf fortress :p
< 1332077998 530530 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally have a computer that should run Portal well and perhaps even Portal 2 playably, but it seems something about the combination of Portal, Wine and fglrx doesn’t work very well.
< 1332078007 242347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I do.
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< 1332078014 876509 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good!
< 1332078016 287105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Portal 1 runs fine in wine btw
< 1332078017 172810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that runs on OS X
< 1332078021 973237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It probably has higher system requirements than Portal, though.
< 1332078023 474409 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a copy of Portal, perhaps i’ll be able to play it some day. :-P
< 1332078031 892846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it doesn't suffer for terrible GPUs.
< 1332078032 97125 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332078034 176397 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not for the gpu
< 1332078036 730677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1332078044 322861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I ran that very combination just fine. Some artifacts on the main menu though
< 1332078045 468574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it *could* simulate the tiles on a GPU.
< 1332078048 364363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty parallel thing.
< 1332078056 470303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, (Radeon HD 6850)
< 1332078056 632401 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just cuts battery runtime to it's half here
< 1332078095 176571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wine does run on OS X. But it requires X11.
< 1332078120 448159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Windows partition is a better idea, but I'd have to shrink the OS X one, since I've got Linux on there.
< 1332078131 502812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the OS X partition doesn't have much wiggle room.
< 1332078163 954751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't really feel like buying the games separately, as opposed to just getting the Valve Complete Pack when I have a computer I *know* will be able to play them all.
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< 1332078208 441616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough
< 1332078217 253864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332078236 828126 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is so bad about X11?
< 1332078251 371181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, everything. But it's more X11-on-OS X that's the problem here.
< 1332078269 772227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather irritating to use. Also I'm sceptical of its performance in a hardware-accelerated 3D game scenario.
< 1332078270 772045 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1332078302 725895 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could play portal on wine with linux *g*
< 1332078302 888034 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have had no problems using it under OS X 10.4 on my iBook g4
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< 1332078338 19771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And I bet you can't run Portal on it :P
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< 1332078376 778698 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it is powerpc, so wine or steam doesn't really on it
< 1332078390 877056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISELY
< 1332078406 261798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You know Leopard runs on PPC, right?)
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< 1332078458 647623 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, but Leopard doesn't offer me anything worth the price and losing Classic mode 
< 1332078480 350406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffffft, "price".
< 1332078491 239112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quaint Finns, paying for software and everything.
< 1332078510 148294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Also, I don't really feel like buying the games separately, as opposed to just getting the Valve Complete Pack when I have a computer I *know* will be able to play them all. <elliott> Those quaint Finns, paying for software and everything.
< 1332078512 337633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332078527 337805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so finding a half-decent Leopard ISO was a hellish experience.)
< 1332078541 80738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Steam is more convenient than piracy.
< 1332078578 112457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues.
< 1332078584 191315 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I strongly oppose piracy, but many people find it weird because I am member of piraattinuoret (Youth organization of pirate party of Finland)
< 1332078599 212771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is annoying, because the things I hate about Steam are completely unrelated to the things that are awful about it.
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< 1332078636 367890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues.
< 1332078654 312584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues.
< 1332078661 560329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> <Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues.
< 1332078668 843148 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What're the things you hate about Steam?_
< 1332078671 307268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't, but I know enough people who have.
< 1332078680 484424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compare to torrents, which are ~always sluggish. :p
< 1332078694 212835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 90% of it is the awful DRM.
< 1332078714 808644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not informed on that front; is it some online thing or other?
< 1332078726 866938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have used it, and yes it is convenient when it works. But more than once it had said "too high load to download game right now" or similar. And even when a game is actually installed it can fail to start if the severs are overloaded.
< 1332078731 71085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, you have to be online to play (unless you turn on "offline mode" beforehand (which likes to turn itself off)).
< 1332078735 344513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike a pirated copy, which just works
< 1332078746 27444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The other 8% is the social nonsense, but that's more personal distaste of it than disliking that it actually exists.
< 1332078750 686882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it consistently either works or doesn't)
< 1332078756 118478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The other .9% is the automatic, forced updates.
< 1332078763 43087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> So, no, I haven't played Portal and Portal 2 yet, and would prefer to avoid spoilers for the latter.
< 1332078769 646893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheatley turns out to be Mitch Calrus.
< 1332078771 161597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I managed to get steam to stay in offline mode currently
< 1332078775 431459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue how
< 1332078783 211131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pirated copies do not "just work".
< 1332078794 644913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Phantom_Hoover,.
< 1332078798 414239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,\././
< 1332078799 86111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTHOUGH:
< 1332078801 929269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either they are buggy or they work, they don't depend on the load of a remote server.
< 1332078805 21284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point
< 1332078810 211769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who gave in and bought Skyrim on Steam after multiple issues.)
< 1332078823 806854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Steam is inconvenient when you forget where you left your debit card, hence why I am torrenting Fallout 3 right now.
< 1332078829 977439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, Phantom_Hoover managed to play the game just fine, it was just (a) a pain to get the pirated copy working and (b) had multiple issues afterwards.
< 1332078836 864047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have Skyrim on steam because I think it was worth the money.
< 1332078842 615408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what you have on Steam.
< 1332078847 700738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did play the pirated version earlier
< 1332078848 667642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it was mainly because I was too lazy to get the HD textures and I wanted to show up my friend who also pirated it.
< 1332078861 801898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the usual bugginess from a release version
< 1332078875 2709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also because finding a reliable-looking pirated version of the patch was impossible, etc.
< 1332078889 59222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, that.
< 1332078898 991558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piracy is a lot more practical when there haven't been updates in the past five years, and there are no mods.
< 1332078902 666180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meh, the HD textures aren't really worth it, there are better third party HD textures, that actually improves many of the textures the HD pack didn't
< 1332078908 23064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the HD pack is bugged
< 1332078916 873074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was at least
< 1332078925 40575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the Nexus mods all worked fine with the pirated version.
< 1332078931 74449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1332078938 335337 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I agree that there should be a newbie subforum where people can ask questions without seven levels of hell immediately being emptied over them if they've asked something lazy or ignorant."
< 1332078953 809856 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shut up Vorpal, it works fine with the exception of one texture.
< 1332078957 953397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the HD pack uses (used?) the normal map as the texture on something
< 1332078967 772480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332078969 980883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing.
< 1332078972 887044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332078985 953905 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing out of lots and lots of things.
< 1332078993 945621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which all look much better with the HD texture pack.
< 1332079000 29493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I believe there were some minor issues elsewhere too, like a incorrectly named texture (so the improved one didn't actually show up)
< 1332079012 666861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't need to conform to the obnoxious aesthetics of most modders.
< 1332079089 818471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I prefer Nexus Mod Manager. The Steam Workshop 1) auto updates mods 2) is sluggish 3) seems to bug out randomly sometimes 3) Since I use the Script Extender I first have to launch the game from steam to the launcher to let it download updates, then I quit it and re-launch it from the script extender...
< 1332079108 491650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay the last one isn't really Bethesda's or Valve's fault, but the other ones)
< 1332079143 212768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use NMM too you idiot.
< 1332079162 669487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't claim you didn't
< 1332079177 938714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so why bring up Steamworks at all.
< 1332079187 559599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<Phantom_Hoover> Well, I mean, the Nexus mods all worked fine with the pirated version."
< 1332079213 737009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The start of your sentence only makes sense if someone had previously mentioned Steamworks mods as a reason to use it.
< 1332079219 27766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually don't have any steam workshop mods currently, managed to find all on nexus now)
< 1332079229 62535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, whatever
< 1332081683 236667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1332081683 436419 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1332081683 894995 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1332081684 131083 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ /|  /<      |      |\  |\ /'\     |     /<   >\ /|
< 1332081684 293183 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               /\                    /'¯|_)
< 1332081684 293313 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_| |_)               (_|
< 1332081687 667937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow  \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1332081687 830020 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3\4o5|6 7|8o9|2 3|4o5/6 7 8\9m2/3 4\5m6/7 8 9|2o3/4 5\6o7/8 9\2o3|4 5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6 7\8o9|2 3|4o5|6 7|8o9/
< 1332081691 649587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: :(
< 1332081699 980702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, you should add ^. to fungot.
< 1332081700 396776 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm lazy about comprehending things all the functionality is all that is needed by the perl fingerprint docs... hm...
< 1332081863 677254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I am to take away from this is that people are encouraged to pirate to avert the performance issues associated with DRM? :D
< 1332081908 128394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i am so glad it will all be over one day
< 1332082080 509512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ais when you need him.
< 1332082934 243295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm removing yr matrix of solidity tooltip from the logo.
< 1332082978 340471 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1332082982 187830 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you do that?
< 1332083003 735969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=esolangs
< 1332083009 651509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe the excerpt from the main page it uses.
< 1332083013 661953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332083020 812600 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOL
< 1332083023 334933 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awesome.
< 1332083026 221900 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the more reason to keep it!
< 1332083034 896392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332083040 387868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR CTR ON THAT QUERY IS ONLY 34% ;___;
< 1332083068 727682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I tell ya what, I'll try and figure out a way to put it lower in the markup but still appear in the same place :P
< 1332083083 565182 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better.
< 1332083092 138768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google matrix
< 1332083120 310398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now I know who RocketJSquirrel is
< 1332083129 83561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's crazy: Google's preview screenshot of zem.fi actually shows one of the canvas-driven logos.
< 1332083130 201244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332083136 175645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ifsfeedback" one.
< 1332083147 127881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit like matrix of solidity fanart.
< 1332083152 577110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Weeell, they pretty obviously use a Real Browser to do them, or websites would look terrible.
< 1332083158 249465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Considering how much stuff depends on JS, it's not surprising they run it.
< 1332083159 444396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not very fluent with pastelogs
< 1332083186 601920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they run Chrome fullscreen in a VM, wait until it stops loading, wait a second or two, and then take a screenshot.
< 1332083186 810875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. guess, but I wouldn't have expected that. Especially since what with all the setTimeouts and such it takes five seconds or so to get that far.
< 1332083201 489409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Consider how many "apps" load the actual content with JS.
< 1332083207 675055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could easily take a few seconds, factoring in network delays.
< 1332083208 602318 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bing matrix
< 1332083221 599655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32185
< 1332083224 144068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's not _un_surprising.
< 1332083235 396899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [b]ing matrix
< 1332083241 954980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28959
< 1332083248 481614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://β.zem.fi/
< 1332083251 600722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is nicely reassuring.
< 1332083259 184527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't fix.
< 1332083259 670609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [b]ing
< 1332083263 420683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I should fix that.
< 1332083265 117699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17633
< 1332083275 299463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332083276 704557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooo.
< 1332083278 889843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.
< 1332083282 273233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave my beta.
< 1332083282 985649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1332083296 967742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I guess it could stay.
< 1332083299 348160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only thing I can trust to remain constant in this world!!!!
< 1332083322 314140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs itidus trapped in
< 1332083323 24900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, zem.fi's most-impressions query is "logic gates". Sadly with "<10" clicks a month.
< 1332083330 511789 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16594
< 1332083332 634223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours is "ook".
< 1332083342 17916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a CTR of 0%.
< 1332083343 134799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i give up i leave it alone
< 1332083351 779703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite being the ~4.1th result on the page.
< 1332083362 491944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of 170,000 impressions, there have been 150 clicks.
< 1332083362 754644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"logic gates", "logic gate", "4 bit adder", "not gate" and "logički sklopovi" are in the top ten.
< 1332083380 900101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CTR /is/ clicks/impressions, right?)
< 1332083391 6550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly think so.
< 1332083398 219989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Why are the "crawl errors" in Polish?
< 1332083403 76893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ni bilo mogoče najti	98
< 1332083403 238651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ni uspelo	0
< 1332083403 246138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dostop zavrnjen	0
< 1332083403 246272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Napaka v strežniku	0
< 1332083403 246380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programska napaka 404	0
< 1332083403 805401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugo	0
< 1332083461 766569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, Google has tried to request http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download.
< 1332083468 454656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a spma.
< 1332083489 435849 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qdb.us/134635
< 1332083495 303080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ping.
< 1332083501 332533 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-70.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332083504 687285 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong.
< 1332083544 939661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be an awesome name for an esolang.
< 1332083606 713828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You still have the archived forum, right?
< 1332083610 473522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, I was just thinking that.
< 1332083625 915330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nora’s Hair Salon: 2.6/10. Nora’s Hair Salon II: 3.9/10. Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster: 1.1/10.
< 1332083646 700230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nora's Hair Salon II was really the creative pinnacle of the series. A modern classic.
< 1332083651 567439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes
< 1332083663 584728 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been deleted by ais523. Does anyone know what it contained?
< 1332083695 780460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes: <elliott> Oh, it was a spma.
< 1332083700 285742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean a spam.
< 1332083707 156508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fizzie is around, so I start misspelling things.
< 1332083715 310486 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-173.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1332083722 86505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I could show you what it was, but, uh... it's not terribly interesting.
< 1332083776 996874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay.
< 1332083829 783518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b>IMDB Rating: </b> 0.0 out of 10 <br>
< 1332083838 694763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does including that in their spams really help their cause?
< 1332083978 228413 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332083996 46694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332084021 921184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so notch is going to do the idea of putting computers in a game.. but i can't say i didn't express the same general idea in the logs
< 1332084038 841601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (I was thinking about putting up a static archive of the forum up at /forum/.)
< 1332084051 397624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might not do much good, since it's been 410'd for a while now.
< 1332084117 310229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bastard keeps having all my ideas, improving on them dramatically, and implementing them in a way that makes him famous and wealthy
< 1332084154 102058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact this is true of all bastards
< 1332084289 388847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I can't figure out a way to get it to position correctly.
< 1332084296 561920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm...
< 1332084314 326849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332084323 548669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK, I could do it, but I'd have to use a table :(
< 1332084327 72383 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1332084656 960129 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT THOU MUST
< 1332084693 225023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'll do it if you help me figure out how to get the <h1> not to display in Google's snippet :P
< 1332084707 53381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that there's a previous <h1>Main Page</h1> it's ignoring >_>
< 1332084719 513002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when it sees the next one it's all "lolol this is page content".
< 1332084725 611652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1332085314 753019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Maybe I can keep the tooltip if I change the main page's <title> to "Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki" X-D
< 1332085351 124947 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT
< 1332085423 1284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has the ostensible mild downside of making bookmarks ugly unless you change the title.
< 1332085431 496154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Wikipedia already do a similar thing (with "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia").
< 1332085599 724562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Of course, I could also change the page title to "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" and remove the tooltip.
< 1332085750 219973 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better!
< 1332086006 372351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your recent edit(s) to Wikipedia:Sandbox were believed to be unconstructive, and so have been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any further testing, [...]" -- message left on a Wikipedia user talk page
< 1332086029 217408 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332086480 171715 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, it is so impossible to build bionic X_X
< 1332086597 897735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What are you trying to do?
< 1332086607 386892 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... build ... bionic.
< 1332086638 611430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That's the Y. What's X?
< 1332086645 40098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask out of curiosity.
< 1332086666 811787 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wasting a day reëxploring the feasibility of NoGNU/Linux.
< 1332086726 662131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That was my guess.
< 1332086728 76376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Stop.
< 1332086729 916672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Use musl.
< 1332086747 527135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is (a) just as GNU-free; (b) not GPL (though it is LGPL) and (c) actually works.
< 1332086788 137907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bionic will be 100x as painful, even if you manage to get it to build, thanks to all the things it omits because Android doesn't need them.
< 1332086790 270704 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't musl the one with the author who doesn't understand licensing?
< 1332086798 38124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: No, that's dietlibc.
< 1332086803 415956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is the new kid on the block (few years old).
< 1332086814 905885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html, http://www.etalabs.net/musl/faq.html.
< 1332086818 78984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW the AUR package bionic-svn built painlessly for me just now.
< 1332086840 235325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's also ABI-compatible with glibc, though that's unlikely to matter to you.
< 1332086845 235673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It goes to great lengths to maintain that.)
< 1332086884 507289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, how are you compiling things? I don't think clang works with a stock kernel quite yet...
< 1332086920 977897 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using GCC first. I'll switch to clang when/if practical.
< 1332086926 728321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only have clang in the actual "distro" though.
< 1332086932 889900 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking is a problem.
< 1332086975 147205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking with what?
< 1332086994 622325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, clang is practical for everything except the kernel (and maybe libc? I don't think musl does anything weird, though.), pretty much...
< 1332087018 645133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Though musl's C++ support is relatively new (for use with LLVM's libc++, I think).
< 1332087025 525015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By relatively, I mean the null string.
< 1332087040 863089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Relevant because clang is C++ :P)
< 1332087136 412725 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Linking as in binutils.
< 1332087203 847770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1332087219 164202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, gcc + binutils is pretty much the only GNU you need these days.
< 1332087688 919231 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ /tools/i686-linux-gnu/include/features.h:1:2: error: #warning "features.h is bogus" [-Werror=cpp]
< 1332087689 225255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: all warnings being treated as errors
< 1332087699 86480 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shakes fist*
< 1332087760 574226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ?
< 1332087857 201938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: HEY GO LOOK AT http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page IT LOOKS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NOW
< 1332088025 845235 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT LOOKS LIKE SOME VANDAL REMOVED IMPORTANT INFO
< 1332088048 82504 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332088129 433266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: THERE'S MORE THAN THAT YOU IDIOT
< 1332088161 282326 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332088169 711741 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing else matters.
< 1332088387 958448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But they also removed the title, you see!
< 1332088393 415956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOST HIDEOUS VANDAL
< 1332088521 348582 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conftest.c:1:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
< 1332088522 690889 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy
< 1332088676 452405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Are you still trying to compile bionic?
< 1332088685 825697 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1332088690 445059 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got musl goin'.
< 1332088693 411819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P
< 1332088696 193627 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my musl-compiled GCC is fucky.
< 1332088703 161333 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the technical term)
< 1332088703 323334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Which GCC version?
< 1332088712 646234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ has successfully bootstrapped a musl/gcc system.
< 1332088719 388889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he might be of help.
< 1332088727 526278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the standard thing is to bootstrap GCC 3 first and then use that to compile 4.
< 1332088732 772198 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a misconfiguration, I'm trying again.
< 1332088779 241911 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl still use gcc3 ?
< 1332088808 843073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Only for bootstrapping :P
< 1332088873 793103 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup, my musl-built GCC is fucky.
< 1332089044 759047 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FIX MY GCC KTHX
< 1332089147 378358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey RocketJSquirrel, how the hell do you overlap two CSS gradients >_>
< 1332089151 399079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is the CERTIFIED CSS EXPERT.
< 1332089300 265636 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With magic.
< 1332089302 448630 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And friendship.
< 1332089351 107137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332089351 526288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332089572 781877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How many people are still on Firefox 3 these days?
< 1332089580 253105 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Few"
< 1332089581 177676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is the CERTIFIED BROWSER EXPERT.
< 1332089594 643019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But 4 only came out in 2011 :'(
< 1332089721 749677 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: computers at my school. At least they got rid of Firefox 2 installs at the end of 2011
< 1332089764 472782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean I can systematically punish people at your school by merely removing these obsolete vendor prefixes??
< 1332089765 948609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME
< 1332089810 282242 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean by obsolete vendor prefixes?
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< 1332089838 754877 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who still use firefox <= 10 ?
< 1332089843 498920 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332089856 261810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: <div style="background: #EEF; vertical-align: top; border: 1em solid #EEF; border-bottom-left-radius: 1em; border-bottom-right-radius: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 1em">
< 1332089871 542078 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, browser specific code
< 1332089876 532180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox has supported the standard versions since 4.0, and changing TWICE THE VALUES is an UNACCEPTABLE BURDEN on me :P
< 1332089888 489186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: I use Firefox G_64.
< 1332089890 771587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Out next month.)
< 1332089895 889590 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FIX MY GCC FIX IT NOW
< 1332089896 592566 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :G_64 ?
< 1332089899 15651 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that ?
< 1332089907 840381 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got one teacher to update her computer to Firefox 10, but she doesn't wan't to update to 11. Good thing FF 10 is ESR
< 1332089914 626368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Graham's number.
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< 1332089931 233523 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use TenFourFox unstable 11
< 1332089957 35696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Pfft, Classilla is where it's at.
< 1332089961 772157 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use wildfox then
< 1332089969 188835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as Mozilla browsers for obsolete Macintosh computers goes.
< 1332089978 619888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has ACTUALLY USED Classilla.

< 1332089997 94899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i used k-meleon
< 1332090002 798326 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also have Classilla 9.3 and I use it at least one day a week
< 1332090025 230424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yer weird.
< 1332090099 653704 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used K-Meleon, Firebird, Pathworks Mosaic and Netscape 5(pre-alpha) and I still use Classilla, Camino and Mosaic-CK
< 1332090174 688576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use Firefox before it became Firefox.
< 1332090190 782771 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332090215 281597 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own 3 C64s and I plan to connect one of them to Internet, I have working MacMINIX install on weekly use and I have programmed my own OS in 16bit asm
< 1332090238 107522 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can call me weird if you want
< 1332090301 56058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in the middling ranks of weird at best; call me when you rewrite that OS with your own assembler and start using your own Conkeror fork (with an insane license) to browse.
< 1332090388 628066 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I plan to build my own computer with my own processor architecture, then write my own OS to it and start using my own browser
< 1332090402 973722 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate emacs key bindings
< 1332090438 425371 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-8.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332090489 935206 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also program my OS in a version of my own SSBPL programming language
< 1332090597 155149 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How  many weirdopoints do I get if I start to use RISC OS as my main os?
< 1332090685 62968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to stop offering public advertisements weirdopoints.
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< 1332091797 781125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how our main page circa 2006 looks like it evolved into the current main page over the years, despite actually going through a completely different design in the middle: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=5672
< 1332091806 560203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't see that old one before making the new one.)
< 1332091918 143675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Did you add the day of the day in response to http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=17414? :P
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< 1332091969 64402 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol, no, somebody on #esoteric said we should have a page of the day.
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< 1332092124 103685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P
< 1332092173 174669 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where I can download BeOS 5 PE?
< 1332092286 733783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you strongly opposed piracy.
< 1332092337 879529 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is the freeware version¨
< 1332092341 43500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1332092343 932153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a link.
< 1332092349 869196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
< 1332092366 711359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get a pirated BeOS' installer to run in a VM once. But never the thing itself.
< 1332092421 475343 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no download for BeOS itself on that page
< 1332092489 720593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what is "BeOS R5 Personal Edition for Windows"?
< 1332092499 569068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "BeOS R5 Personal Edition for Linux".
< 1332092531 52377 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the standalone versions
< 1332092576 290738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a standalone version?
< 1332092586 417702 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :New idea: NoGNU/Linux by way of OpenWatcom's shitty libc ^^
< 1332092647 741015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: btw
< 1332092651 107593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: were you using the musl-gcc wrapper?
< 1332092720 60220 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? Shouldn't I have been?
< 1332092790 62185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yes.
< 1332092798 924141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering if you were doing some wild gcc hack to get it working that was causing you troubles instead.
< 1332092912 862144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The musl page only reports GCC 3 as working ...
< 1332092952 101063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The musl page is fairly old.
< 1332092962 171448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But I recommend you try GCC 3 anyway.
< 1332092967 83974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then bootstrap 4 with it.)
< 1332092978 140820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be what most people do.
< 1332092982 561532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: #musl is helpful, anyway.
< 1332092984 234377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dev is there.
< 1332093008 34257 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm hm hm.
< 1332093185 469227 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*builds gcc3*
< 1332093424 791430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You might need that fixinc.sh thing.
< 1332093427 648834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if it's still required.
< 1332093679 882797 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC thinks it's i686-linux-gnulibc1
< 1332093680 719376 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1332093870 338074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That shouldn't be a problem.
< 1332093881 284604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I mean, ABI-compatibility means that all the internal structures have the same in-memory layout and all.
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< 1332093903 49521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The observable difference is mostly in header files (musl is much stricter about not leaking additional non-standard names or names from other headers into the namespace).
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< 1332093986 15442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"musl is much stricter about not leaking additional non-standard names or names from other headers into the namespace" I find this extraordinarily difficult to believe.
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< 1332094085 796530 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc's DEFAULT is very lax, but if you use -std=c99 or -ansi or what have you, it's unbelievably strict.
< 1332094150 362722 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that pikhq_ has a self-bootstrapping musl-based DISTRO in github.
< 1332094153 201780 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was I not informed.
< 1332094310 554672 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it uses busybox, which is not quite FSF-free.
< 1332094312 387893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I implied it!
< 1332094323 196653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox is waaaay not FSF free.
< 1332094329 93206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC half of it is basically ripped from coreutils.
< 1332094346 470367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Christian Neukirchen has such a distro too.
< 1332094349 437517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be more complete.
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< 1332094365 93499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/chneukirchen/sabotage
< 1332094374 917798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that https://github.com/chneukirchen/sabotage.
< 1332094377 625467 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but I think that there exists some not entirely terrible subset of busybox that is FSF-free X-D
< 1332094379 692058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh
< 1332094382 822270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that http://chneukirchen.github.com/sabotage/.
< 1332094395 513983 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I looked at sabotage too, but unless I'm completely misunderstanding, it actually uses a GCC statically compiled against glibc.
< 1332094415 388999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what the scripts seemed to imply.
< 1332094493 203351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not, what do I know ^^
< 1332094505 594521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That would be weird, since he called it a bootstrapping distro, but OK.
< 1332094513 897428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, "I bootstrapped a distro".)
< 1332094518 353718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think "bootstrapping distro" means anything.)
< 1332094529 219003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I guess it does, by analogy with "bootstrapping compiler".)
< 1332094539 362504 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't rightly have any idea what I'm babbling about *shrugs*
< 1332094642 879326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders wtf the "By e-mail" button on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin/signup does.

< 1332094678 190322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, chooses a password randomly and emails it to you.
< 1332094699 284413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh
< 1332094701 94900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for admins
< 1332094706 486223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To create accounts for other users without compromising them
< 1332094787 703625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's for anyone, not just admins. Okay.
< 1332094800 664901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not anyone, it's for admins.
< 1332095209 426402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip, flop, flip, flop.
< 1332095344 962362 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots elliott with a SuperBullet

< 1332095354 63269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, want the ISO?
< 1332095402 812310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332095403 67944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332095412 41545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not today. I'm unlikely to play today and it'd hog my bandwidth.
< 1332095417 679350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cryptic message
< 1332095441 787941 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry
< 1332095527 870755 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't get any of this shit to build X_X
< 1332095568 650365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I bet it's Debian's fault.
< 1332095595 184961 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... probably.
< 1332095653 991128 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest distro to bootstrap into a chroot other than Debian ^^
< 1332095743 590846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ubuntu.
< 1332095751 814788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for anything else, just use a VM.
< 1332095759 191542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I was joking about it being Debian's fault.
< 1332095792 550031 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but you're probably right, GCC is nutty to build on Debian even when you're NOT using some weird libc it's never heard of.
< 1332096289 135535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "[...] it's easier to use the "Move" link from the drop-down menu next to "View history". "
< 1332096296 977282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no such drop-down menu
< 1332096421 953154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hmm.
< 1332096429 223288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332096432 847100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPs can't do that. :(
< 1332096686 747402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wakes

< 1332096754 403811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Is there any reason not to enable moves for unregistered users on the wiki?
< 1332096754 654419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332096960 77878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that bootstrap-linux is the only thing that *actually* bootstraps ATM.
< 1332096993 27827 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: In that sabotage does not?
< 1332096997 319832 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332096998 729214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: In probably a couple months we should be able to switch to toybox. (Robert Landley's busybox-alike)
< 1332097070 30577 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, the only necessary FSF stuff is GCC, Binutils, GNU Make, and whatever's in busybox.
< 1332097091 387753 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, virtually the entire system.
< 1332097132 20882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me when I say that just getting glibc out is huge.
< 1332097149 484283 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting Binutils out is going to be a major PITA, as is GNU Make...
< 1332097257 360419 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only care about "user" stuff, so GCC/binutils/make actually aren't that big of a concern to me.
< 1332097262 116510 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more curious about coreutils.
< 1332097275 940408 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332097283 83145 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybox doesn't seem to have much FSF in it from what I've looked at.
< 1332097294 516765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely bad rather than apeshit.
< 1332097311 635172 :_net_split!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332097346 710883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSF coreutils requires the ability to poke libc datastructures, which Busybox certainly doesn't.)
< 1332097424 376598 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's this?
< 1332097466 588272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Look at gnulib and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
< 1332097652 301675 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ejID <-- busybox corruption
< 1332097674 359953 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait
< 1332097676 411756 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a total lie.
< 1332097750 704268 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *quite* confident the LZO code is not GNU. :)
< 1332097780 242802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> RocketJSquirrel: In probably a couple months we should be able to switch to toybox. (Robert Landley's busybox-alike)p
< 1332097780 896222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And util-linux is definitely copied from util-linux.
< 1332097785 886931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/p$//
< 1332097792 249619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "Robert Landley's" is amusing, considering he's one of the core BusyBox developers :P
< 1332097800 719694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Formerly.
< 1332097807 890993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he rejoined.
< 1332097809 825635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now he's just a guy who does patches every now and then.
< 1332097817 519457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's definitely not core.
< 1332097821 529250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1332097828 108784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing I remember is that he's delusional about licensing.
< 1332097864 57377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very delusional, more just bitter about how GPLv3 has put people off of GPL...
< 1332097867 44179 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> And util-linux is definitely copied from util-linux. // util-linux isn't FSF, is it?
< 1332097897 763221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BjNN <-- real coreutils corruption
< 1332097902 774540 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/coreutils/busybox/
< 1332097904 208119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: util-linux is Linux. :)
< 1332097934 990742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> Not very delusional, more just bitter about how GPLv3 has put people off of GPL...
< 1332097938 791070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I don't refer to anything about GPLv3.
< 1332097957 527817 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Right, no shit, so it's not FSF.
< 1332097966 91374 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal isn't to get rid of GPL, it's a NoGNU/Linux.
< 1332097973 13189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what do you refer to?
< 1332097984 147262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I refer to his characterisation of Bruce Perens' (i.e. original author of BusyBox) outrage when they unilaterally changed the license without his permission.
< 1332098003 107333 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Likewise... GNU stuff sucks from a technical PoV.
< 1332098004 519213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1332098015 879913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seriously, I have no idea that shit happened.
< 1332098030 23409 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, my conclusion is that bootstrap-linux ALMOST meets my requirements as stands.
< 1332098033 925959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a fair claim that there was none of his work remaining at the time they relicensed it, but (a) he only undertook the analysis of that to "make him go away"; and (b) I'm not sure you can say "I rewrote all the lines piece by piece" as an argument you don't have a derivative work.
< 1332098034 356545 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox isn't actually that corrupted.
< 1332098058 700432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (I believe the outrage was only when they started /litigating/ about the license, too, not just when it happened.)
< 1332098060 999320 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still too corrupted, but not CRAZY corrupted)
< 1332098102 691515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://www.osnews.com/story/22618/BusyBox_Author_Bruce_Perens_on_the_GPL_Lawsuit http://busybox.net/~landley/forensics.txt
< 1332098108 567927 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Hi.
< 1332098111 34241 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1332098221 819630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you ever finish your Magic: The Gathering software?
< 1332098276 430799 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-3.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yo what's up little buddy
< 1332098281 998654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you mean TeXnicard? Not quite yet, but in future I might work on it more; and anyone else is free to submit whatever you want that I might or might not include with it.
< 1332098313 76922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What are you working on these days/
< 1332098347 704571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Various things
< 1332098347 926648 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332098432 213688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Amusingly, Landley is now trying to get projects *off* of GPL.
< 1332098703 647913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that even though TeXnicard is not yet complete, it still does many things far better than MSE and other programs. TeXnicard will do plurals of words better than MSE, and will convert numbers to words all the way up to "nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine", and sorts titles in a natural way including roman numerals, has more options for statistics, etc
< 1332098716 710470 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332098736 268176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the current version can probably be used if you do not want to print out the actual cards; since that is the only thing missing (although it is partially implemented).
< 1332098748 602536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine plus one?
< 1332098759 59891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not even *hard* to do better than MSE.
< 1332098762 234685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE *sucks*.
< 1332098812 637033 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E841.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332098890 705265 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-3.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332098904 438407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i apply a thesaurus word-swapper to a piece of text does that count as rewritten? :D
< 1332098922 688713 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to troll my school tomorow by installing bblean on school computers and setting it as default shell
< 1332098947 813158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being or not being. this is the question
< 1332099041 757084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow my educational center shall be trolled when i install bblean as default shell on computers there.
< 1332099073 144082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1332099099 969491 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my idea
< 1332099127 476632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll credit you
< 1332099135 58374 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: my idea
< 1332099151 630612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that i reworded your idea
< 1332099233 792234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it is not built-in to the "plain.cards", although everything in that file can be overridden. However, numbers are usually limited to 32 bits.
< 1332099302 959902 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did. You reworded it, but it is still my idea I got when my parents watched in horror me using bblean in my own account on our shared computer
< 1332099405 841582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other features I intend which are not yet implemented, include: indexed and searchable card database of many sets together, sales tracking, and a way to parse sentences in card texts into computer codes so that the game can be played by computer including enforcing and automating the rules.
< 1332099426 832989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll find out in court pinko
< 1332099512 160481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have a theory though.. tribal source code sharing
< 1332099526 876471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I agree; it does have many problems. Although, even WotC uses MSE for doing fake cards and playtest cards and so on.
< 1332099533 971997 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forming tribes on the internet who freely share code among themselves but exclude everyone else
< 1332099544 30652 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1332099550 580998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Doesn't make it suck less. :)
< 1332099555 912307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they trust each other
< 1332099561 571788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes I agree.
< 1332099592 149148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust.. a strange legal jurisdiction where people are not compelled to sue each other :D
< 1332099631 928596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also my intention, that if you use a Magic: the Gathering template with TeXnicard, that if you have the correct printing equipment, you can produce better quality cards than the official Magic: the Gathering cards. But it is also my intention that there is nothing specific to Magic: the Gathering built in to the program (unlike MSE, which does have some).
< 1332099848 444499 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what if someone leaks the code outside the tribe?
< 1332099861 270145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1332099872 62573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its never gonna be perfect
< 1332099885 625295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if tribe is the most apt term or not..
< 1332099911 66645 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE?
< 1332099918 343443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any other ideas about TeXnicard, you can write on:   https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard
< 1332099918 701023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well yeah trust can fail.. 
< 1332099925 589140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the trouble with it
< 1332099930 577091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you know Magic Set Editor?
< 1332099942 236970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the larger a group is the more likely that trust will break down
< 1332099947 534861 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but now I do. Or at least have heard of it now
< 1332100176 724128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will need an account to write on the Redmine page for TeXnicard.)
< 1332100203 651887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also use the IRC for the project; it is always logged to public file.)
< 1332100219 384723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i do think it will happen though in the long run.. the tower of babel of the internet is due to collapse
< 1332100238 513229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for much of the same reasons amusingly
< 1332100253 491832 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect
< 1332100274 91719 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people starting to speak different languages?
< 1332100314 567386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its getting absurd.. guys making something like facebook and becoming multibillionares almost overnight
< 1332100331 391664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn and advertising seeping from every crevice
< 1332100364 802801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity thieves of all sorts
< 1332100389 110462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackers of all sorts.. and corporations with lawyers
< 1332100394 238304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem with MSE is WYSIWYG; TeXnicard is designed from the start to be not WYSIWYG.
< 1332100438 382433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikileaks, anonymous, SOPA, PIPA
< 1332100514 784624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what'll happen is they'll zone off the internet into commercial and residential districts 
< 1332100542 403418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different laws for each
< 1332100545 218868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1332100550 501598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fun
< 1332100585 573399 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there is one funny picture about assange an zuckenberg. assange: "I give private information of companies to people for free and I am criminal" zuckenberg: "I give private infirmation of people to companies for money and I am the man of the year"
< 1332100607 627356 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asange
< 1332100636 627219 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assange
< 1332100660 911729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you dont know me that well im esolang/math-illiterate here and i think mostly tolerated for comic relief
< 1332100681 214511 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i wear patience thin
< 1332100738 193383 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically im part-troll and found my way here very differently from most here
< 1332100797 621639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just get worried when people entertain my rants
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< 1332100885 733170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only intend TeXnicard to support PNG for picture load/save format; using the LodePNG library which happens to be written by a same guy who invented some esolangs too.
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< 1332101202 913478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect.
< 1332101267 210970 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi maharba bye maharba
< 1332101284 649741 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?itidus21
< 1332101287 300683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?itidus21: not found
< 1332101313 235669 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21
< 1332101316 476545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee.
< 1332101325 76467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thats true!
< 1332101347 328170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is anything adding some function to Haskell "gloss" library that can have I/O action inside of something such as:  playIO :: forall x y. Display -> Color -> Int -> x -> (x -> Picture) -> (Event -> x -> IO (Either y x)) -> (Float -> x -> IO (Either y x)) -> IO y;
< 1332101358 843357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have another id itidus20
< 1332101359 372210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A variant of the existing "play" function)
< 1332101373 768570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20
< 1332101376 920862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 is horny 60 year olds having cybersex in minecraft
< 1332101387 206603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't itidus21 add that?
< 1332101395 170325 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332101401 533359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
< 1332101408 420674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "itidus20's entry has been censored." >wisdom/itidus20
< 1332101410 545760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332101423 35802 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nortti
< 1332101426 917745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1332101453 594146 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname
< 1332101456 603156 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux
< 1332101491 359992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 rm -rf /
< 1332101495 86337 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a
< 1332101498 65445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1332101526 343791 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /etc/passwd
< 1332101529 351336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/passwd: No such file or directory
< 1332101541 725848 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1332101566 925978 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd; ls
< 1332101570 199924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332101575 396911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You realise /etc/passwd doesn't contain passwords these days, right?
< 1332101611 229174 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I do. I just wanted to get other info
< 1332101623 363474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run id -a
< 1332101626 375840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=456962
< 1332101629 274867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH
< 1332101643 29277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, -a doesn't actually do anything.
< 1332101652 731196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id
< 1332101653 91247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id
< 1332101653 459865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id
< 1332101654 423726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id
< 1332101655 227357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id
< 1332101662 278121 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps -ef
< 1332101669 875460 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=983334
< 1332101676 926134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD \ 0            1     0  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 /init \ 0            2     0  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 [kthreadd] \ 0            3     2  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0            4     2  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/0:0] \ 0            5     2  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 [kworker/u:0] \ 0            6     2  0 20:14 ?        00:00:00 [rcu_kthread]
< 1332101680 575271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=843613
< 1332101680 973702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=979185
< 1332101682 44262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=380064
< 1332101682 205915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=380064
< 1332101722 570563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/cpuinfo #just curious
< 1332101725 223100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :processor.: 0 \ vendor_id : User Mode Linux \ model name.: UML \ mode..: skas \ host..: Linux codu.org 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 00:01:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 \ bogomips.: 555.41 \
< 1332101737 125847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too many bogomips.
< 1332101756 786430 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lshw
< 1332101759 834012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lshw: command not found
< 1332101773 894050 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lspci
< 1332101776 983753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lspci: command not found
< 1332101777 757365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not so much "hw" to "ls" under UML, anyway.
< 1332101801 662399 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML?
< 1332101806 592991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Mode Linux.
< 1332101819 481201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps -ef | paste # this is how you view larger outputs
< 1332101823 280225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25163
< 1332101833 645750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /sys/class/
< 1332101836 476318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdi \ block \ firmware \ mem \ misc \ net \ tty
< 1332101842 20770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so *sparse*.
< 1332101867 98831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like 47 classes on /sys/class here.
< 1332101877 450350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /sys/class | wc -l
< 1332101877 612440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :40
< 1332101909 767283 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ifconfig | paste
< 1332101912 801925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ifconfig: command not found \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26276
< 1332102173 784860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /
< 1332102176 457026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
< 1332102181 161800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
< 1332102184 736046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/uevent': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/uevent': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/modalias': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/subsystem': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/driver':
< 1332102187 689066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf .
< 1332102190 650240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove directory: `.'
< 1332102192 860333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf *
< 1332102195 761570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332102201 25801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1332102203 639707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332102219 484409 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste
< 1332102221 850399 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste: No such file or directory
< 1332102236 157646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot 'run'.
< 1332102246 737907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real shell without.
< 1332102285 635277 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste
< 1332102289 378799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7785
< 1332102327 951835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "rm -rf *" demonstration is just begging for someone to "ls | grep -v canary | xargs rm -rf" or something.
< 1332102388 492986 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 000 *; chown root
< 1332102391 710166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chown: missing operand after `root' \ Try `chown --help' for more information.
< 1332102392 369124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1332102408 57084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except the people who do that don't know what significance that file has until you tell them.
< 1332102424 63636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, people don't deduce it from the name. I've asked.)
< 1332102429 615082 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l
< 1332102432 757221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 128 \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0  4096 Mar 18 20:27 bin \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0     0 Mar 18 20:27 canary \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0    24 Mar 18 20:27 karma \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0  4096 Mar 18 20:27 lib \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0  8192 Mar 18 20:27 paste \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 95628 Mar 18 20:27 quotes \ drwxr-xr-x 3 5000 0  4096 Mar 18 20:27 share \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0  4096 Mar 18 20:27 wisdom
< 1332102451 203269 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat canary | paste
< 1332102462 721023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the `.
< 1332102469 781479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's *right there*, and it's called that. Oh well.
< 1332102472 260621 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Also the "rm -rf *" demonstration is just begging for someone to "ls | grep -v canary | xargs rm -rf" or something. // the canary isn't there to prevent interesting "exploits", it's there to prevent stupid ones.
< 1332102476 370183 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat canary | paste
< 1332102479 317203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4760
< 1332102497 180713 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the first thing anybody does with HackEgo is `run rm -rf *
< 1332102543 49507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cat ate the canary, I see what happened there.
< 1332102574 714769 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG CAT ATE THE CANARY LOLLERS
< 1332102619 592800 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | grep -v canary | xargs chmod 000
< 1332102637 514574 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls | grep -v canary | xargs chmod 000
< 1332102640 782518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332102641 460311 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1332102781 173429 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332102815 69162 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is canary a file that cannot be deleted?
< 1332102919 508967 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l canary ; rm canary ; ls -l canary # It can be deleted!
< 1332102922 820185 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Mar 18 20:35 canary \ ls: cannot access canary: No such file or directory
< 1332102933 674243 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the canary?
< 1332102970 402061 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :{ :|: }; :
< 1332102973 205760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :{: command not found
< 1332102997 278164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The saddest face.
< 1332103019 775083 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|: }; :
< 1332103022 759187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1332103106 638724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ticket #25 of gloss has functions with I/O, but they don't allow having a final result, and I do not think it to be sensible for the (world -> Picture) to also have I/O actions.
< 1332103186 455188 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:& };:
< 1332103189 4673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332103211 225997 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo! my fork bomb!
< 1332103359 189189 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tty
< 1332103360 647542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently obsessed with: BZFlag.

< 1332103362 120805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/tty1
< 1332103397 870911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??cool what is bzflag
< 1332103429 292619 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tank game with flags
< 1332103440 165183 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often Capture the Flag, but not always
< 1332103444 799748 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And superflags give you powers.
< 1332103451 531358 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bzflag.org/
< 1332103466 79512 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/tty1 bs=1024 count=1024
< 1332103469 27449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: opening `/dev/tty1': Permission denied
< 1332103567 451021 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom
< 1332103570 183945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.��.�*�SZ����.$H��U�.���R�X.l.��/.f�s|x�Fe侈��*���K'�R�հ.ĜA,� \ ��ߡ7�w���X�u.�W..A�.�����M����:�.A@�Z��Ϋ��ȫ�D�.�.?.�.lWYY.
< 1332103657 762975 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: To what degree does toybox currently exist?
< 1332103667 373387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%
< 1332103671 623568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bootstrapping distro that uses it
< 1332103682 516113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's just not enough to bootstrap yet.
< 1332103684 93723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No.
< 1332103699 371233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty close, though.
< 1332103707 474129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.landley.net/hg/toybox Here's the repo.
< 1332103752 202163 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a disagreement between those two answers :0
< 1332103763 49713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332103774 656360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Didn't Aboriginal Linux used to use toybox?
< 1332103780 110515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use
< 1332103814 960212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I agree ticket #28 as well.
< 1332103848 799234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so.
< 1332103858 509992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though soon it will.
< 1332103882 702785 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, toybox only recently came off hold and is now being fleshed out into something useful.
< 1332103964 815042 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the difference between busybox and toybox?
< 1332103985 674240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Toybox sucks less.
< 1332103994 799649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is not done.
< 1332103998 493138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eventually, we'll start using toybox again"
< 1332104008 253256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"again"
< 1332104010 202842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange.
< 1332104021 489914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not seen it with enough tools to actually be used as coreutils.
< 1332104048 518715 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what sucks about busybox
< 1332104054 173553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, it's missing some fairly essential tools like grep.
< 1332104057 870095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Look at the code.
< 1332104064 389640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty painful.
< 1332104215 321345 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea behind toybox to create nonGNU/Linux?
< 1332104339 322796 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1332104452 530550 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332104515 722249 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buildin' me some sabotage.
< 1332104576 76939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're a saboteur.
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< 1332105054 140199 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would appear so.
< 1332105151 864051 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :suckless.org appears to currently suck more.
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< 1332105870 504387 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to suckless, XChat sucks
< 1332105874 299321 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sads

< 1332105889 619604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Howso
< 1332105892 669491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332105902 474518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332105925 927597 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was down until the INSTANT YOU CHECKED.
< 1332105943 836481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You and I seem to have that affect.
< 1332105945 867710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect
< 1332105970 271859 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332106014 551199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Now I'm wondering what you were on suckless.org for.
< 1332106016 149277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stali?
< 1332106038 696829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You know, 9base might just be compatible enough to use as a coreutils: http://tools.suckless.org/9base
< 1332106044 432615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I'd bet on it, though.
< 1332106070 209131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I suggest using makepp as your make: http://makepp.sourceforge.net/
< 1332106077 665436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it claims near GNU Make-compatibility. And isn't GNU.
< 1332106082 444081 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sabotage includes 9base.
< 1332106095 272679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but does it use them as the main toolset?
< 1332106103 297785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that the answer to "what you were on suckless.org for"?
< 1332106119 548867 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter.
< 1332106131 684743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332106131 935315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332106135 905995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332106136 188840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 2h 36m 20s ago: Is there any reason not to enable moves for unregistered users on the wiki?
< 1332106174 837790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it depends on if you expect we'll get vandals; moves can't be fully reversed by a non-admin, so the reason they're usually disallowed is to prevent vandalism that's disproportionately hard to revert
< 1332106179 693984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (context: the Basic Input/Output Commander did a copy-paste-move to a new name, and I had to learn how to do a history merge)
< 1332106180 717360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't expect anyone to try that, no reason not to
< 1332106184 236620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these two facts are related)
< 1332106199 924275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even quite a copy-paste move; it was a copy-modify heavily-paste move
< 1332106233 262684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context
< 1332106237 943643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the method used to be to delete the new name, rename the old name to the new name, undelete the new name, revert to the revision that's meant to be top
< 1332106242 11858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about high-maintanence...
< 1332106245 343432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hahaha
< 1332106247 474371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that still is the method
< 1332106254 996464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Wikipedia's manual is up-to-date
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< 1332106262 452737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <elliott> then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context
< 1332106265 817647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :824) <elliott> then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context
< 1332106269 185371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you've been able to combine the rename and delete for ages
< 1332106288 211743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and around when I left Wikipedia there were rumours that the devs were writing a less awkward way to histmerge and histsplit
< 1332106291 722642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that fell through
< 1332106293 178769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332106294 587596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332106294 749407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (their edits were limited to changing the language to the new name, but since they admitted the language changed quite a bit since renaming, it's ridiculous)
< 1332106296 171329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332106296 486975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :615) <shachaf> elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses.  <shachaf> The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1332106297 580370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332106299 165246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332106306 265571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) <Gregor> I'm blond with blue (sort of) eyes, so I could totally stealth my way through the holocaust ... or some such logic :P
< 1332106309 192909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :579) <Patashu> But I mean, why fix it if it ain't broke? Except now it is
< 1332106311 647054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :120) <fungot> pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...]
< 1332106314 906285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: <oerjan> sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers
< 1332106328 526559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't get 27
< 1332106335 485813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only got 4
< 1332106338 750866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot quote is yet again good
< 1332106338 926397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite requesting 5
< 1332106339 88740 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax-rules is fairly easy
< 1332106341 182675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just slow
< 1332106341 587581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got 5
< 1332106346 14802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you did
< 1332106347 436602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's part of a series
< 1332106348 280147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got 5615, 276, 579, 120, 27
< 1332106354 969048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1332106358 694088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18428
< 1332106360 464383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, but it isn't a /good/ series
< 1332106374 655626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see 14, 15, 20-27
< 1332106377 233837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 is the norwegian version, btw
< 1332106382 896033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far too classic to get deleted
< 1332106400 319537 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy Phantom_Hoover UPDATE
< 1332106411 408170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love tswett monqy Phantom_Hoover updates.
< 1332106431 432727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 seems out of place because RocketJSquirrel /isn't/ blond, IIRC
< 1332106435 303499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a weird definition of blond
< 1332106444 292293 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...............................
< 1332106447 571565 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am blond.
< 1332106453 716555 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly light blond.
< 1332106467 59375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 seems out of place because RocketJSquirrel /isn't/ Gregor, IIRC
< 1332106478 218048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meme here is to make a false statement and append "IIRC".
< 1332106500 499423 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That meme seems out of place because those statements /aren't/ false, IIRC
< 1332106552 255723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems to also require an italicised word
< 1332106585 931467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* Windows.
< 1332106587 885893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X seems out of place because THING /somethingn't/ THING, IIRC"
< 1332106600 422853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That snowclone seems out of place because snowclones /don't/ contain placeholders, IIRC
< 1332106607 981224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: there is no implementation of C99 on Windows.
< 1332106608 161171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a new thing
< 1332106629 649383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best you can do is C99-modulo-libc.
< 1332106675 712543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> elliott: it depends on if you expect we'll get vandals; moves can't be fully reversed by a non-admin, so the reason they're usually disallowed is to prevent vandalism that's disproportionately hard to revert
< 1332106686 202599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose there's unlikely to be page-move spambots :)
< 1332106699 719018 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GCC 3.4.6 WITH MUSL JUST SEGFAULTED
< 1332106702 668838 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE EVERYTHING
< 1332106704 288713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a reason not to enable it: it'll produce a drop-down with only one option
< 1332106705 367024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: #musl
< 1332106707 511829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, unless they're Esolang-specific
< 1332106714 536080 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But now I'm using sabotage >_>
< 1332106735 61420 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it may be that sabotage sabotage sabotage.
< 1332106769 322701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I believe the prime saboteur is in #musl
< 1332106777 302915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris2
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< 1332107099 727447 :_net_split!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared
< 1332107451 344177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bleh at this binary diff thing
< 1332107468 149608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm as written is still far too slow, also GNU diff doesn't use it despite claiming to
< 1332107530 299421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you try bps?
< 1332107552 470450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to write this from scratch, pretty much, NHPL isn't compatible with anything
< 1332107562 721813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/possibly/ two-clause BSD, but I'm not even sure on that one
< 1332107616 901469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, and?
< 1332107621 429359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I proposed you implement bps.
< 1332107635 757679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be a lot simpler than anything else.
< 1332107688 342909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been considering doing something that fits with the format
< 1332107716 570759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by checking what the fixed-length bits and variable-length bits are, and just XORing and RLEing the fixed-length bits
< 1332107723 496725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing something clever with the variable-length bits
< 1332107768 404240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bps is a /really/ trivial file format, btw)
< 1332107792 222790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a 4-instruction tarpit
< 1332107886 314804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, my patch format is that too
< 1332107892 696819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is generating the patch effiicently in the first plcae
< 1332107894 277672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*place
< 1332107926 921428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my format uses two bits for command, six for run length
< 1332107960 728096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commands are copy, insert, delete, and bignum (for run lengths larger than 63; its runlength is multiplied by 64 and added to the runlength of the next command)
< 1332107968 254624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and insert is followed by the individual bytes to insert
< 1332107993 59354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can generate that format reasonably simply, but not efficiently; O(sn) is too slow in practice
< 1332108234 524967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, that's more complicated than bps :)
< 1332108258 627158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: format simplicity is completely missing the point, anyway
< 1332108265 754414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's efficiency in finding the diff
< 1332108306 358314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU diff seems to do something crazy involving multiple bisections, and finding lines unique to one side or other on the basis that they can't match anything
< 1332108368 942809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's way faster than my program, even if I convert all the bytes to hex and put a different one on each line, so it's a fair comparison
< 1332108382 922062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's quite advantageous for people implementing a patch applier.
< 1332108402 227907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, right, and I'd need that too
< 1332108414 914955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the patch applier is going to be O(n) with any sane patch format, unless it's heavily compressed
< 1332108424 361496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the patch determiner I'm worried about the efficiency of
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< 1332109607 478111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, I edited two MediaWiki-namespace pages today
< 1332109610 471847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still scared when I do it :(
< 1332111279 189129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so html was pretty clever
< 1332111308 222586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Although it shares a daily article with other Scandinavian ones"
< 1332111310 995019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's hilarious
< 1332111327 348340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? :P
< 1332111386 414521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't like that "no bureaucracy, of course!" is being paired with suggestions of bureaucracy :(
< 1332111414 694570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think html can be summarized as:  <a1 b1="c1" b2="c2" bN="cN"> </a1>
< 1332111416 556097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean i should scratch my current rules list suggestion? :(
< 1332111430 853842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, ask me here first :P
< 1332111432 465205 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's FSF-copyrighted code in the kernel.
< 1332111437 599952 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To this I say, "hyuk"
< 1332111442 986221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Articles should be well written and formatted.
< 1332111443 145254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages should have an implementation, unless the difficulty of making one is part of its point.
< 1332111446 196647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Similarly there should be example programs.
< 1332111448 714580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages different from those already chosen should have preference.
< 1332111451 222159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages not from the themes most frequently chosen should have preference.
< 1332111452 459317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i have so far.
< 1332111472 611541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're good guidelines. but i was going to implement that by using my freedom to choose from the available options
< 1332111483 313631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332111488 713591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :along those lines, i was thinking that we should remove the whole consensus-on-individual-options thing. not a joke :P
< 1332111502 767332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what do you mean
< 1332111517 860083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea is that anyone could propose a language, but I'd just pick one from that list - this is basically how the english wikipedia's process works
< 1332111524 581048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be benevolent dictator, check
< 1332111530 441452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1332111539 838144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1332111543 128658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wouldn't propose suggestions
< 1332111544 911623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another i thought of
< 1332111548 906553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really think we'd get more than 3 suggestions per week, ever?
< 1332111568 542071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the not-votes would be along the lines of "yes this is great" for good languages and "no this isn't great" for bad languages
< 1332111570 318100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well right
< 1332111581 360897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go to [[Special:Random]] and then see if you like that one, and in case you don't like that one then try again
< 1332111586 587873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect most of the time everyone would be "yes, these are all good" and perhaps one of them would be obviously slightly above the cut
< 1332111596 936928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on
< 1332111602 812886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there might be some who insist on renominating again and again
< 1332111609 145353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should aim to compete with gregor's rate of hat suggestions per week
< 1332111613 407118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oh right that other one
< 1332111617 570716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: guess what the norwegian wikipedia's main page is?
< 1332111633 48443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a matrix of solidity?
< 1332111639 801222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suddenly seemed like a bad idea if there really will be only 3 suggestions a week :P
< 1332111643 581347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Portal:[en:main -> no]
< 1332111645 418581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well go on anyway
< 1332111660 711335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, great :)
< 1332111669 580676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Articles may not be renominated for a set period
< 1332111674 313592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yes, my main reason for wanting things to be coordinated by a set group on IRC was to prevent the more enthusiastic and less talented designers getting repeatedly sorely let down.
< 1332111689 589518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then another
< 1332111719 733323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*No one may nominate more than one of their own languages per turn
< 1332111724 932722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, Portal:[en:Home -> no] actually
< 1332111731 797761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close enough
< 1332111743 640240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i see a nice idea happening here
< 1332111755 546248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my _first_ idea before seeing your response we "No one may nominate their own language, period"
< 1332111758 597196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1332111759 154490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be honest, i would rather make it no more than one language per turn, and not your own unless there's few suggestions
< 1332111769 509420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332111776 501338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is beginning to sound like a nomic
< 1332111777 247504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't
< 1332111783 207635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, just banning self-noms categorically is probably the best idea.
< 1332111795 200522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suddenly had a vision of timwi participating in this process.)
< 1332111808 433336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your language is _really_ good, ask someone on IRC to nominate it for you
< 1332111810 395207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea is that there might be a kind of theme per turn
< 1332111817 913180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't convince a single person to, then your language sucks
< 1332111842 12553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps a cycle between old and new languages.
< 1332111900 991921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's my current thoughts as to how it should possibly go: there's a page where everyone can add one (and only one) language (not their own). every $TIMESPAN, i pick a language from that list and remove it. every $LONGER_TIMESPAN, I blank the list and people can propose again
< 1332111913 704507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think self nomination should be permitted but only one each, and only complete articles, and only the main namespace. And you are also allowed to vote for yourself too, but again, only one each. Other artcles can be nominated and voted more than one each, but there should still be a limit.
< 1332111920 458904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can't nominate the same language twice in a row.
< 1332111930 468651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i first thought of this without the periodic blanking, but the problem is that the crappy languages would just pile up forever.)
< 1332111944 837876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and removing them would be rude. so just blank the whole thing every now and then.)
< 1332111961 749781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that sound?
< 1332111975 669535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that people don't have to add new ones all the time for it to work, since the list lasts longer.
< 1332111980 574274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps instead of removing some names, you comment (or strike) them, to remember that it has been used.
< 1332111992 810750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a list of accepted non-crappy pages, feature a random one from that list each day/week, then only use a "complicated process" for changing the list
< 1332112014 620444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think each day is too often but each week is good.
< 1332112034 132826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah but you just know everyone would immediately propose their new esolang to be featured.
< 1332112041 467441 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/eaKd <-- here's the current FSF taint state of sabotage.
< 1332112051 753893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not like Wikipedia in that we can have a huge bureaucracy that upsets people, because we're tiny
< 1332112072 648674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could write a language that simulates one!
< 1332112074 96161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You can trash those architectures.
< 1332112080 493795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And almost certainly the cryptos tuff.
< 1332112082 188408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crypto stuff
< 1332112087 269181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And the math emulation.
< 1332112090 717342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And UDF.
< 1332112091 611108 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, the only one that's vaguely concerning is the timeconv.c.
< 1332112095 648408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about timeconv.c.
< 1332112099 53745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, do not allow anyone to propse anything which is too recent.
< 1332112107 351725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: sprunge me timeconv.c and I'll tell you how hard it would be to reimplement :P
< 1332112125 391532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: (So that you don't look at it and get THE TAINT)
< 1332112139 498926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# wc -l kernel/time/timeconv.c
< 1332112139 787123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 kernel/time/timeconv.c
< 1332112149 843215 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not so difficult.
< 1332112156 169797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 lines of C? It probably implements division or something.
< 1332112156 389907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you trying to rewrite the kernel?
< 1332112157 28120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh this guy on wikipedia presumably only selects from articles that have _already_ got the featured stamp?
< 1332112179 120143 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/jYPe
< 1332112185 775714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i was going to say that but didn't
< 1332112204 964183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people suggest articles from the featured pile, there's a rough scoring process, and he picks arbitrarily from those
< 1332112225 821195 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm a bit surprised sabotage hasn't removed GNU sed...
< 1332112226 794613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people might be annoyed if their opinion doesn't count for anything, even if you make the final choice
< 1332112235 502966 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fairly simple patch to make Linux build without it.
< 1332112242 895430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the scoring process e.g. favours people on their birthdays or events on their anniversaries and so on, and punishes having too many articles of the same kind (primarily for entertainment/technology related things) on in a short timespan.)
< 1332112254 374837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Trivial.
< 1332112259 332415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332112264 853414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's only included in "stage1", and to my knowledge sabotage isn't actually trying to be NoGNU/Linux.
< 1332112280 837186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Has leap year/number of days in month data, and a time_t -> local year/month/day function.
< 1332112285 409727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That data is static.)
< 1332112294 538617 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's only necessary because of a small bit of brain damage.
< 1332112342 845986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Anyhow, you forgot glibc in that list.
< 1332112348 237656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If sabotage does use glibc-gcc.
< 1332112355 758002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they use a GNU-specific regexp which can be changed to POSIX-compliant trivially)
< 1332112367 260240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: here's my current thoughts as to how it should possibly go: there's a page where everyone can add one (and only one) language (not their own). every $TIMESPAN, i pick a language from that list and remove it. every $LONGER_TIMESPAN, I blank the list and people can propose again
< 1332112372 40873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think of this process?
< 1332112381 492515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It only uses it for stage1, and the first thing it does with that in stage2 is replace it.
< 1332112396 680149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suggest that only main namespace articles are allowed to be nominated (if someone finds an article they want to nominate which is not in the main namespace, they could move it or copy it or write a new article about it or post a discussion requesting the move)
< 1332112398 542748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems to be minimal-effort for everyone involved, while being driven by the editors.
< 1332112412 628267 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Anyhow, you forgot glibc in that list.  <elliott> If sabotage does use glibc-gcc.  // it doesn't, I misunderstood.
< 1332112416 685700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The idea is that it's for languages.
< 1332112418 877492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK.
< 1332112433 329237 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, or does it use the musl-gcc wrapper to build that?
< 1332112439 784103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm shocked LLVM haven't written a binutils yet.
< 1332112458 353602 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apple doesn't need one.
< 1332112469 784480 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence, LLVM will never get one.
< 1332112497 302775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Last I checked, Apple still needs to link.
< 1332112498 476141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone outside of Apple could write LLVM binutils if they want to, I suppose.
< 1332112505 532718 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But they don't use binutils.
< 1332112508 402722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apple have their own object format.
< 1332112508 931028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332112519 20908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What do they use?!?
< 1332112524 591802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mach-O.
< 1332112527 846919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: binutils is object-format agnostic.
< 1332112529 882240 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Their own, presumably derived from some pile of shit BSD one.
< 1332112530 565601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well we can try that and see if it works
< 1332112531 439994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they invented it, it's their own tools.
< 1332112540 370934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Do Apple need libc++?
< 1332112541 253785 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they invented Mach-O.
< 1332112550 616945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Mach invented Mach-O.
< 1332112553 189744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a major part of *why* binutils is so complicated)
< 1332112569 210777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Developed by	Carnegie Mellon University/Apple Inc."
< 1332112569 725435 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Do Apple need libc++? // Idonno
< 1332112571 561372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah.
< 1332112593 2619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: binutils includes non-object-format-agnostic tools :P
< 1332112593 164819 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, Apple's basically all that's kept Mach afloat since the beginning *shrugs*
< 1332112602 915675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least tool, singular.
< 1332112609 384367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such successful projects as MkLinux.
< 1332112610 245099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uhhhh, hello? HURD?!
< 1332112613 143239 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332112623 200958 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them go through libbfd.
< 1332112627 724927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Also, technically NeXT, then Apple :P
< 1332112630 226281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Apple and Apple.
< 1332112637 482871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which handles most object formats.
< 1332112641 270502 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Mach-O.
< 1332112644 127395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apple when Jobs was absent is instead called unprofitable.)
< 1332112719 705426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: although if people cannot nominate themselves, i hope sockpuppets won't become a problem.
< 1332112728 980791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have CheckUser.
< 1332112734 52789 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Which handles most object formats.  <pikhq> Including Mach-O.  // uhh, no? I'm pretty sure libbfd doesn't have Mach-O support.
< 1332112739 425120 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the patch for it died on the vine.
< 1332112740 797602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt anyone is truly that sad, though.
< 1332112742 602230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/bfd/mach-o.c?rev=1.102&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src There's the source for it.
< 1332112742 760566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332112749 987874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhaha
< 1332112758 696613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If they are, their language is probably crap, and so I'll ignore it just like any other crappy suggestions.
< 1332112787 712141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, does "FSF-copyrighted" really count as GNU?
< 1332112812 860750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, the OS X man page suggests that they're using personally-maintained BSD ld.
< 1332112824 606156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cherish the day when anyone cares enough about esolangs.org to use a sock puppet to inflience getting a language on main page
< 1332112843 25272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- naive.
< 1332112871 910985 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know what other metric to use *shrugs*
< 1332112904 366339 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are probably the only people still using even a fork of BSD ld. Even the BSDs are on GNU binutils...
< 1332112909 810216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uhh... how about "package is a GNU project"?
< 1332112973 160770 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My metrics involve things I can write into scripts ;)
< 1332112984 866577 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as grep '[0-9]{4} +Free Software Foundation'
< 1332113008 230933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Sure, you just have to remove the things that aren't obviously GNU projects from the resulting list.
< 1332113013 310308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Linux.
< 1332113023 541201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK, "GNU projects or derivatives of GNU projects".
< 1332113027 87278 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But if they include code FROM GNU projects, --- yeah.
< 1332113029 150300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that FSF-copyrighted code come from a GNU project?
< 1332113030 685510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, iffy.
< 1332113035 717424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if timeconv.c does.
< 1332113041 244618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The architecture stuff, I doubt.
< 1332113049 383683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who the fuck assigns copyright to FSF before submitting a patch to Linux?)
< 1332113053 693502 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1332113057 848445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oerjan
< 1332113065 565668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: An FSF employee working on a patch?
< 1332113071 164143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good thought
< 1332113086 238366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess assigning copyright to the FSF is like prayer.
< 1332113158 491238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is incredibly comical. the frustrated wiki user hunched over the keyboard building up a collection of sockpuppets to secure victory for his/her article of choice
< 1332113228 54971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but sockpuppets are always comical.
< 1332113272 824202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i imagined it wrong
< 1332113391 23494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF BEING ARRESTED
< 1332113520 719168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332113599 21410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw have you been here all this time and i just didn't notice.
< 1332113645 373882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to googles opinions of me as a google user, the first image result i get for explor language is from esolangs.org
< 1332113650 78122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what?
< 1332113697 314912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332113728 559594 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332113728 720965 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.9 QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1332113744 53198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i only noticed you when you edited talk:main page
< 1332113756 550256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think we'll miss HashB
< 1332113763 395256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say.
< 1332113787 480156 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332113787 677199 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1332113822 879114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: zero, one, infinity
< 1332113824 315519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been here for 2 hours.
< 1332113826 477050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two.
< 1332113834 672794 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332113834 832046 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.1 QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1332113836 775147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three.
< 1332113845 809717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy.
< 1332113867 721727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here wants to admit to owning the bot?  otherwise i'll probably ban it if it continues.
< 1332113873 576944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has had a different IP each time.
< 1332113878 81914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way it's someone in here.
< 1332113881 350935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. ok.
< 1332113883 48878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've asked in #freenode.
< 1332113891 969715 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1332113892 616237 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332113912 437414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@82.132.211.*
> 1332113912 460401 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332113912 596068 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332113913 325551 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.2 QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1332113917 864915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~HashBot@82.132.248.237
< 1332113933 959131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332113938 947838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e. try HashB!*@* instead
< 1332113939 106302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*@82.132.211.*
> 1332113939 128889 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332113944 981182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Is this HashB thing joining a lot of channels, or is the channel I'm in just special?  <phillw> elliott: I've just asked the same question :)
< 1332113959 217726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :HashB!*@*
> 1332113959 241527 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332113982 200069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@82.132.*.*
> 1332113982 225794 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332113992 579851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many people does 82.132.*.* affect?
< 1332114019 455223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure, let me rDNS it
< 1332114059 477283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.0.0/17 is CARNET, http://www.carnet.hr/
< 1332114063 601933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one half of it.
< 1332114086 185420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, who cares about croatia, that's what i always say
< 1332114086 344533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.192.0/18, more specifically, is O2
< 1332114087 436311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1332114087 459345 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332114088 393594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK ISP
< 1332114092 422248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.128.0/20 is O2 Online (UK), so.
< 1332114094 894783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> elliott: mode (+b HashBot*!*@*)
< 1332114095 54860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> what's about IP addresses? :P
< 1332114095 55059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> phillw: you realise that pattern doesn't match nick=HashB, right? :P
< 1332114095 55170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> not seen it with that nick yet.
< 1332114095 55282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> huh.
< 1332114121 119070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm.
< 1332114125 744567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did oerjan just ban a large number of O2 users?
< 1332114129 16868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if blocking O2 is reasonable, even if most british esolangers use Virgin Media
< 1332114130 749256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unwise.
< 1332114130 907936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so!
< 1332114133 500345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about UK, that's what I always say.
< 1332114137 137338 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1332114137 159825 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332114143 490345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*@82.132.*.*
> 1332114143 513193 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332114146 415298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH
< 1332114148 567976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FSVO "most" equal to 2? :)
< 1332114156 897970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other people too, because it was wider than just the O2 range
< 1332114165 455025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it wasn't my comment about sockpuppets
< 1332114168 153366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1332114168 176653 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332114168 911637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but nobody cares about croatia.
< 1332114173 15809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i always asy.
< 1332114174 430146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say
< 1332114256 741248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332114263 849800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some dude called "ehirdiphone" has been here from 82.132.139.4 and 82.132.139.135 and other such numbers, but that's probably not a great loss? 
< 1332114281 430653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy.
< 1332114302 815433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect you'll find an awful lot of O2 IPs from 2010.
< 1332114314 566914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iPhone was with O2, so...
< 1332114316 976228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/logs/freenode/#esoteric$ grep -i 82.132 * | wc -l
< 1332114317 134590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4353
< 1332114337 875779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know. Half of them will be quits.
< 1332114355 830928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and the other half is just stuff like "Shrooms man".
< 1332114401 520289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular, I'm referring to "2010-04-07 21:26:55 <ehirdiphone> Shrooms man".)
< 1332114416 703510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those lines won't have the IPs!
< 1332114420 997944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, Shrooms man.
< 1332114427 851611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can all agree that Shrooms man.
< 1332114430 885210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shrooms man?
< 1332114441 204333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
< 1332114453 928212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shroomsman, the very easily distracted superhero.
< 1332114490 292022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded some underground comics once
< 1332114521 965799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be surprised if he was in those
< 1332114651 81106 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332114682 126086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332114709 823948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332114786 231583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Maharba
< 1332114792 656010 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1332114801 952561 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ehird, right?
< 1332114831 563090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm ehird
< 1332114836 172113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :spartacus
< 1332114836 766700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all ehird
< 1332114839 233138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes :))
< 1332114854 602376 :spartacus!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1332114888 76561 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking for the "featured esolang", have a template included on the main page, and then the template talk page could be for suggesting featured esolangs.
< 1332114938 860882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on using a separate template for each blurb so that there could be an archive page
< 1332114956 971892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the talk page of wherever the archive is would be the best place for discussions to go
< 1332114973 436693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been discussing what the simplest viable process would be with oerjan just now actually
< 1332114989 552165 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new page each time we change the featured article? Sounds messy.
< 1332115028 39918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suppose I could just copy the blurb to the archive page when it's done.
< 1332115038 669438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely to change much while it's up
< 1332115087 862418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you're right, a single template would do
< 1332115199 243035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hi to Maharba
< 1332115200 55840 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is a feature that shouldn't be a normal receiver.) not that i'm depressed. :p http://panic.joroinen.fi/pk/ breakpoint03/ wild/ fnord)
< 1332115210 360205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a rubbish hi :(
< 1332115213 43494 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shrooms man.
< 1332115216 99534 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1332115223 442945 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the archive be a separate page, a subpage of the template, or <noinclude>d on the template page?
< 1332115255 178757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/shrooms
< 1332115257 956805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332115331 219218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: I think the best thing would be to have a template {{featured language}}, and [[Esolang:Featured languages]] describing the process
< 1332115337 750562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably discussion on [[Esolang talk:Featured languages]]
< 1332115348 590729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*describing the process and having archives
< 1332115355 692120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the template would presumably link to the project-space page
< 1332115360 735232 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And archive on Esolang:Featured languages/Archive
< 1332115392 302378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be necessary depending on the time span. although if it's weekly it would get annoying
< 1332115405 582963 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking every 2 weeks.
< 1332115464 80791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that sounds reasonable. although i'm not sure a rigid time limit is necessary at all
< 1332115474 99010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's no decent suggestions, no worries hanging on a bit longer
< 1332115482 184064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might encourage people to suggest if there's a deadline :)
< 1332115486 441399 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. Just an approximate frame.
< 1332115633 85059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximate?! naw, we should shut down the wiki if there's no suggestions for two weeks
< 1332115676 722558 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) No.
< 1332115687 49893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggest or we kill the wiki
< 1332115700 156344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we as in the others since im not part of the wiki
< 1332115701 198468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-s
< 1332115738 667477 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1332115758 349340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think maharba liked my suggestion.
< 1332115762 383424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hey you couldn't possibly be worse than Maggot Ur or what is name was.
< 1332115773 123195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
< 1332115781 277873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dagoth ur.
< 1332115803 792890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may intentionally not have tried too hard getting that right

< 1332115808 914854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just smart enough to be annoying
< 1332115849 242983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why Systems Programmers Still Use C, and What to Do About It (bitc-lang.org)" in /r/programming. i can't _wait_ to see the comments.
< 1332115898 302681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hesitates to try to remember the name of ur's lang. elma.. esme!

< 1332115909 707376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interesting article, but he misses the right answer: if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
< 1332115909 866255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C may not be the easiest language to learn, but you wouldn't want newbies messing with systems programming anyway."
< 1332115918 785119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was wrong occasionally.
< 1332115933 702675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, I agree. If I had to improve C, I would add new types with more precise characteristics. Like int16, int32, and int64, for instance."
< 1332115936 224595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :djhdfklghsdjklfghsdfjklghldfkgf
< 1332115948 902498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: pikhq_: One of you has a chainsaw, right?
< 1332115957 66795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some murdering to do.
< 1332116049 619132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here borrow this one  (O)######
< 1332116094 550609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you.
< 1332116106 464424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i warn you that i cannot guarantee any redditor will survive my onslaught.
< 1332116124 528316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy sounds like he enjoys it
< 1332116144 187943 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The BitC goal isn't to invent a new language or any new language concepts. It is to integrate existing concepts with advances in prover technology, and reify them in a language that allows us to build stateful low-level systems codes that we can reason about in varying measure using automated tools."
< 1332116207 713797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Biagioni's remarkable success with a TCP/IP implementation in Standard ML [3] is sometimes used to support the contention that the compiler can manage representation issues. Derby's technical report [8] is more revealing. On interactive traffic, FoxNet achieves 0.00007 times the performance of the then-current UNIX network stack. That is not a typo."
< 1332116208 943137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yow
< 1332116320 357304 :HashBot!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332116327 905613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 
< 1332116337 37940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggest HashB*!*@*
< 1332116346 854657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or HashB*!*@82.* i suppose
< 1332116352 787396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashBot: hi
< 1332116356 523686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#foo
< 1332116357 695688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo
< 1332116363 39089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashBot: frends
< 1332116375 858330 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is foxnet in this context?
< 1332116424 64394 :HashBot!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332116424 374070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the name of the implementation, presumably
< 1332116436 789000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332116440 353156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : E. Biagioni. ``A Structured TCP in Standard ML.'' Proc. SIGCOMM 1994. pp. 36–45. 1994.
< 1332116440 511863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : H. Derby. The Performance of FoxNet 2.0. CMU Technical Report CMU-CS-99-137. 1999.
< 1332116441 928061 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1332116442 813720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
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< 1332116619 378945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are an awful lot of bans
< 1332116631 129298 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332116673 323192 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1332116761 149706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again
< 1332116782 16364 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1332116832 915844 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we get started with the featured template and page?
< 1332116857 898647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like i said the current main page design doesn't really support it at all.
< 1332116871 298250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have a more "modular" incomplete design scribbled somewhere on my hard disk, though...
< 1332117070 552698 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the template is plain text (main page formats it), then we could do the template stuff now.
< 1332117112 514290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be put on it, if it's just plain text of the featured language?
< 1332117166 960906 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...alright, how about making Esolang:Featured languages now?
< 1332117181 401871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's HashBot trying to do anyway?
< 1332117194 845787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would someone spam #esoteric from a phone?
< 1332117206 351684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it dodges the ban, someone ctcp version it next time it's here
< 1332117215 342537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ais... he's joining sporadically.. it can't be had!
< 1332117216 13262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :collecting words to hash for its huge rainbow database
< 1332117216 562414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not a phone
< 1332117221 969474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the croatia IP range
< 1332117222 215903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332117234 955308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's in the O2 range inside that, though
< 1332117239 525872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it is?
< 1332117240 144306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you were on a phon when you were there
< 1332117243 285835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phone
< 1332117244 840795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332117248 533376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, O2 don't just do phones.
< 1332117262 23250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since another person was asking about it in #freenode, i presume it's joining an awful lot of channels.
< 1332117287 46623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think fizzie was pointing out you have visited from the very same range
< 1332117301 549906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332117313 652358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the large range oerjan used, sure
< 1332117317 826505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no apparent attempt to hide itself... it could just be called bobman
< 1332117319 38545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, the narrow range too
< 1332117334 420437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right, it is in the O2 range
< 1332117338 258658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like a hashbot needs to be named hashbot.. 
< 1332117339 356503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1332117366 244450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you _sure_ your secret iphone ai hasn't escaped?
< 1332117373 745911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why does it join and leave hahaha.. 
< 1332117404 127916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, that's a secret!
< 1332117407 680927 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does "* HashB has quit (Excess Flood)" mean .. rhetorical
< 1332117423 857097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could look up that term if i needed to know
< 1332117451 623168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: it means it keeps getting kicked off for talking too much
< 1332117468 963231 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1332117474 918277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not talking
< 1332117476 848075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely joining
< 1332117516 677161 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be whois'ing everyone i suppose
< 1332117527 311959 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1332117556 220493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that'd be SendQ exceeded
< 1332117562 212559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1332117572 831074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that excess flood is if you're sending too much for the server, and sendq is if you're trying to make the server send too much back to you
< 1332118382 153336 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332118593 620905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, somehow i broke mediawiki's preview.
< 1332118637 186083 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332118639 198605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not meant to be able to move the edit form outside of the content div by supplying MediaWiki with some wikitext to preview, right...?
< 1332118656 899190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure, but I guess not
< 1332118670 498765 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you give it???
< 1332118670 657332 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you get wget working as you need?
< 1332118686 414324 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, how am I logged in twice?
< 1332118689 899216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba_: some wikitext with some slightly unbalanced divs
< 1332118699 419493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a proper esolang Main Page unless it breaks time and space.
< 1332118701 177072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably one of the connections got lost on your end, but the connection hasn't timed out on the server end yet
< 1332118760 60153 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332118774 973212 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go.
< 1332118808 44800 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332118836 150079 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332119000 490174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you register your nickname, you can reclaim it without having to wait for it to ping out
< 1332119012 415225 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do that?
< 1332119093 473557 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you like BZFlag?
< 1332119105 479087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: /msg nickserv register passwordiwant myemail@address
< 1332119113 615817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it sends a confirmation email)
< 1332119165 270647 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1332119348 895896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The design seems to be progressing nicely.
< 1332119352 462010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you can never tell with these things.
< 1332119377 884074 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nickserv is a solid design
< 1332119437 503867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there was a confirmation email back in my time.
< 1332119448 231744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I wasn't referring to NickServ :P
< 1332119460 201560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it came with the switch to the new software, perhaps?
< 1332119538 158738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well nickserv _does_ have my email.
< 1332119541 577231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow.
< 1332119597 318952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332119609 395235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always an optional parameter
< 1332119799 471789 :derdon_!~derdon@pD9E1C65D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332119811 136805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak preview: http://ompldr.org/vZDJscw
< 1332119847 729284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332119934 757286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feedback welcome, as long as it's not "hey, three of the boxes are the same colour" :P
< 1332119938 845325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, i cannot comment on it due to conflict of interest.
< 1332119964 982229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EXCUSE ME! I wrote that blurb specially for you!
< 1332119972 150227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it _was_ a lot of green.
< 1332119988 932834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't coloured the other boxes yet >_<
< 1332119998 826377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose green for the gradient thing at the top since it's the trilime colour.
< 1332120004 923348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1332120050 120791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit worried that this design so far is rather _less_ useful to a new person coming into the wiki
< 1332120061 272722 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. Not sure about having a background gradient, though.
< 1332120089 171052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (a) it doesn't actually explain what an esolang is straight off, and (b) it's not really clear where to go to from the first paragraph
< 1332120102 197132 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're worried about new people, just copy over the "This wiki is dedicated to the fostering and documentation of programming languages designed to be unique, difficult to program in, or just plain weird. Here's how you can explore this wiki." part.
< 1332120105 980463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the core introductory material in the "as a reader" should come before the 2x2 box layout...
< 1332120115 551494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: indeed, i might. felt like it might be a bit noisy
< 1332120174 578677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might drop the gradient if it ends up overlapping with the interface tabs, which i fear it might.
< 1332120229 534070 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mild dislike of gradients in general.
< 1332120251 117166 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Without enjoyment of our matrix of solidity, it is but a pale imitation of main pages of yore.
< 1332120272 639937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: Pfft. Without gradients and rounded corners, how can anyone trust you?
< 1332120280 236483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be stuck on Web 1.0.
< 1332120300 404764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to gradually get their trust
< 1332120302 665576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest not changing the colors of the Classic and Nostalgia skins (or of any other skins that you are not going to test the new colors with).
< 1332120320 984916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can defraud them
< 1332120327 793282 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just make the design crowded and noisy relative to straight lines and solid colors (such as white).
< 1332120334 89333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: damn, who told you my secret plan to change the nostalgia skin to purple? :(
< 1332120421 848330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I deduced it.
< 1332121005 308387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this is more like it: http://ompldr.org/vZDJseQ
< 1332121018 847678 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like.
< 1332121057 554242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a esolang where the code itself is music?
< 1332121060 680089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And if I were to, say, hover my mouse over them limes ...
< 1332121065 588109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Tons.
< 1332121069 408675 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe put the trilime on the other side, so it doesn't conflict with the main logo.
< 1332121096 261757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: They would start to rotate, as "Kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen" plays endlessly, overlapping itself with new iterations again and again until it's just white noise.
< 1332121115 946693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they would start to grow and accelerate, so in a minute or so there's just a green blur all over your screen while your ears bleed.
< 1332121124 959428 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly certain that IS my matrix of solidity.
< 1332121143 513814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more fluid than solid to me
< 1332121154 496857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limes are solid, silly.
< 1332121177 193586 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332121192 771317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling Maharba_'s internet connection isn't terribly reliable.
< 1332121199 675978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think.
< 1332121211 990683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("/msg nickserv ghost Maharba password" to disconnect the other one, then "/nick Maharba" to change to it.)
< 1332121223 663043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i sometimes use the webchat to get a _more_ reliable connection...
< 1332121224 485208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity.
< 1332121231 450081 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1332121238 667587 :Maharba_!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 NICK :Maharba
< 1332121279 799312 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. I normally have a fairly reliable connection.
< 1332121296 474472 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't know why I keep losing it.
< 1332121301 953005 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the name of one?
< 1332121319 373347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Fugue. Velato.
< 1332121343 963011 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two. Quintopia asked for one.
< 1332121347 479129 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy upate
< 1332121353 660915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, a tswett monqy update.
< 1332121359 557019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is bad at following instructions.
< 1332121360 702061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*upate
< 1332121371 490891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: I don't want quintopia to get what he wants!
< 1332121376 70115 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you haven't tswett monqy upated *once*.
< 1332121380 265480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than a sweat monkey update.
< 1332121380 425031 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get with the program.
< 1332121390 964413 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... yeah, I have to give that to you.
< 1332121401 424906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Fugue, Musical-X, and also see the list of ideas.
< 1332121414 974454 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: What do you think of moving the main page trilime to the right as before?
< 1332121428 828847 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott:
< 1332121575 874776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that would clash with the default to the left on _all_ pages...
< 1332121591 134256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: Yeah, I just tried that; the problem is that the "This wiki is dedicated to the fostering and documentation of programming languages designed to be unique, difficult to program in, or just plain weird." paragraph gets a really large bottom margin if you do that.
< 1332121599 806477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the logo is bigger than it (and it doesn't scale nicely).
< 1332121613 94426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. Might keep it. Might try and shrink the logo to a size it doesn't look ugly at...
< 1332121654 263242 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not talking about the logo that is always to the left, I'm talking about the additional trilime on the main page.
< 1332121674 615861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: i'm saying that those would clash if they were next to each other
< 1332121705 121016 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my point.
< 1332121711 730532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duplicating the logo on the main page is really silly anyway, it's a cheap hack to make it look a bit fancier :P
< 1332121720 870716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an effective cheap hack!
< 1332121789 693790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant trilime background.  best idea?
< 1332121798 234548 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst.
< 1332121804 819704 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not *worst*, but...
< 1332121827 52153 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the logo the trilime anyway?
< 1332121880 57520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limes were kidnapped by hysterical raisins
< 1332121940 88454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: That is a question many have asked, and few have answered.
< 1332121954 228062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Graue just found the picture and liked it.
< 1332121980 623095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on MediaWiki Commons but later deleted due to licensing reasons, which troubles me somewhat.
< 1332121988 543173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the whole page look su*hit by falling anvil*
< 1332122001 675268 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You uploaded the trilime file, not Graue.
< 1332122025 238080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: It was already the wiki logo since 2005.
< 1332122033 961521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just in a MediaWiki path.
< 1332122041 72182 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1332122042 368441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uploaded it so it could be used on the main page (which only uploaded images can).
< 1332122064 954581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then when the wiki moved over, I just reused the uploaded version as the logo path.
< 1332122079 223973 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a logo that would make sense, so we might as well stick with the trilime.
< 1332122180 139366 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of trying to find a logo that makes sense, we should make an esolang that has a lot to do with three and limeness, to make trilime relevant.
< 1332122237 324140 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go right ahead.
< 1332122260 989032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page First draft.
< 1332122265 780308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or thereabouts.)
< 1332122302 426567 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, no trilime?
< 1332122329 350907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed it until I can figure out where it should go.
< 1332122351 797789 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about centering the "Welcome to esolang"?
< 1332122370 346372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A background trilime might actually be a decent idea; if it was enlarged, made translucent, and went in the corner, it could just get hidden behind the boxes.
< 1332122389 729790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: Tried that, made the "This wiki..." paragraph look weird. (Centring that paragraph too makes it look weirder.)
< 1332122402 346053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could center the div they appear in and then center the "Welcome ..." in that... I'll give it a try.
< 1332122407 664206 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about indenting, then?
< 1332122422 645169 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or tricks work.
< 1332122445 353864 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In my previous experience, enlarged trilime = terrible trilime.
< 1332122480 343210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You have... enlarged the trilime before?
< 1332122482 616336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dare I ask why?
< 1332122567 476567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should note that RocketJSquirrel is Gregor for Maharba's sake :P
< 1332122583 305311 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I am Gregor for Maharba's sake.
< 1332122607 297621 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Gregor for Maharba's sake.
< 1332122614 697616 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall, to be frank.
< 1332122636 679924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, I did find the original source of the trilime (it's considerably larger).
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< 1332122677 389832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was known as "Three cut limes" in primitive times.
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< 1332122812 948593 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1332122886 550242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Unfortunately finding that source again is a pain >_>
< 1332122890 802386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a shady Wiki-mirror.
< 1332122905 577728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs
< 1332123099 610355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I never linked it in the logs >_>
< 1332123209 371516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page I think I broke it.
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< 1332125539 122681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332125546 764224 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1332125580 187620 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finalized the main page design yet?
< 1332125643 852466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite.
< 1332125656 530240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, someone remind me to remember to remove the bot flag from my account once I'm done with it, or I'll be invisible in recentchanges forever...
< 1332125725 816062 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not invisible, just hiding.
< 1332126012 689494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There need to be more colours. I'm commissioning RocketJSquirrel to create some new colours.
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< 1332126247 531681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ferret. Bye ferret.
< 1332126389 649265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue, green, yellow... it sure would be great if more colours existed.
< 1332126400 241184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following is a comprehensive list of colors." -- Wikipedia
< 1332126423 75111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it is not a listing of every single wavelength on the visible spectrum.
< 1332126517 842951 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be infinite.
< 1332126585 282715 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't used blue yet.
< 1332126738 243512 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be infinite?
< 1332126743 385635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: The top-left of http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page is blue.
< 1332126745 650786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or lilac, anyway.
< 1332126765 807385 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there a smallest quantity of difference between wavelengths?
< 1332126766 706485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ask fizzie, he answered that the last time kallisti asked it. :p
< 1332126781 174541 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks purple to me.
< 1332126793 351771 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe try orange?
< 1332126823 653682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lilac is bluey purple. :p
< 1332126835 257691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a pink.
< 1332126845 204652 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, try orange.
< 1332126858 748414 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a citrus like lime.
< 1332126878 100855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orange is basically pink!
< 1332126888 713792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of!
< 1332126889 415389 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332126926 374548 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be recommending green (my favorite color), but it's already in use.
< 1332126999 593527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say the yellow is bordering on orange anyway. But I'm trying orange.
< 1332127428 125468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're the colours on http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page
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< 1332127441 510071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Canaimero-bdc
< 1332127445 357430 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canaimero-bdc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332127653 749215 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put the yellow on Featured language.
< 1332127681 481037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be a good idea. I picked green for it because it's the colour of the trilime. (Can you sense a pattern?)
< 1332127820 579196 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
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< 1332127877 886977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf
< 1332127888 708071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellichaf
< 1332127907 794252 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, shallots.
< 1332127913 904828 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the right number of 't's in that word.
< 1332128184 168322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: There we go: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page
< 1332128202 147858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from fleshing out the content of the boxes a bit, I think the lilac needs brightening and the red needs to look less salmon... other than that I'm happy with the colours.
< 1332128258 675464 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilac brightening and maybe slightly more saturation would be good. I think then we just need the Featured language template before it can overwrite the current Main Page.
< 1332128348 716498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather add a little more material to the boxes first, but yes, it's close.
< 1332128371 41855 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more material?
< 1332128398 462160 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else does it need?
< 1332128403 524789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. The bottom ones are just so small. :p
< 1332128407 911388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't really like the list presentation in some of them.
< 1332128469 833707 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe change the list of categories link to Esolang:Categorization (better organized).
< 1332128532 254468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, agreed.
< 1332128700 276103 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add the help page in Editor or Meta.
< 1332128763 837626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. I fixed the lilac: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page
< 1332129030 814701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/Main_Page Okay, this is looking good. Still need to tweak the red and make the "for readers" section less listy, but I like this.
< 1332129049 12359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should add back the IRC plug.
< 1332129051 535713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did anyone even notice that?)
< 1332129982 614438 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the link to main page talk useful?
< 1332130008 566851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, I added it as a cheap joke in that it's the most meta possible entry there :P
< 1332130012 420318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except a link to the main page itself, I suppose.)
< 1332130044 793066 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main page itself would be funnier.
< 1332130125 62612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's some brokenness when I try to link to the main page itself...
< 1332130126 30824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes.

< 1332130205 827205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott `fix` it
< 1332130216 968560 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, man, infix fixed-point combinator.
< 1332130252 456884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fa f 0 = 1; fa f n = n * f (n-1) in fa `fix` 5
< 1332130253 383281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  120
< 1332130279 249489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of nice, actually.
< 1332130331 677286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have a problem with me unilaterally declaring /// the first featured language so I can put this thing up? :p
< 1332130340 362213 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem.
< 1332130371 748299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, give me a few minutes to get the templates and whatnot set up and it'll go live.
< 1332130520 305646 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you write me a really simple interactive untyped lambda calculus interpreter?
< 1332130599 367740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1332130630 53641 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For teaching purposes!
< 1332130635 28703 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like teaching, right?
< 1332130756 630879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite this, it is surprisingly Turing-complete" -- this reads awkwardly. :(
< 1332131071 680030 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite this, it still manages to be Turing-complete
< 1332131079 434115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's better.
< 1332131088 858628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the idea of a language actively trying to be TC :)
< 1332131111 850162 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, it is still surprisingly Turing-complete. Surprise!
< 1332131139 930776 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How Turing-complete is that language?" "It's surprisingly Turing-complete! Several times the Turing-completeness I expected it to be."
< 1332131194 670318 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made up this definition of a planet: It orbits a star, and it is possible to park the Starship Enterprise into an orbit around it.
< 1332131394 392133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: By the way, the selection process I came up with while discussing with oerjan earlier was that anyone could propose a single language that they didn't create in a simple list. Whenever it's time to switch over, an admin will select one according to a set of guidelines (that oerjan came up with; basically requiring the article to be well-written, preferably with examples and an implementation, favouring variety of themes, etc.), write a b
< 1332131394 596227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lurb, and feature it; they'll then remove it from the list. Periodically (less often than the featured language changes), the list will be blanked, and everyone can suggest again (as long as it's not the same language as last time). The reasoning behind this is that it's nice that people can just propose them without having to specifically propose them for a certain two-week cycle or the like, and there's no reason to invalidate previous suggesti
< 1332131395 386465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ons because a different good one was picked; but that having an indefinitely-growing list is not practical, and specifically removing entries that aren't any good would just create friction.
< 1332131418 358848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That keeps the required effort for everyone very low, while keeping the candidate selection democratic.
< 1332131468 825198 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I think people should be also allowed to comment on suggestions.
< 1332131555 649253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered that, but thought it'd probably get noisy. Feedback like "the article needs improvements" is useful, but criticism of the language itself won't really help much; there don't really seem to be many esolangs that the community wildly disagrees on the value of, so it seems like it would usually be redundant. But I'm not certain.
< 1332131597 972114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it seems like proposing a language you like better would generally be more useful than criticising an existing suggestion.
< 1332131704 19510 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stuff like "I'd like this one featured because it has such-and-such" or "The article for this one could use some more examples—don't feature it just yet"
< 1332131760 385595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the guidelines will be written up, so people will know what an article should have to get featured. But I'll think about it. Not like there's been *any* suggestions yet, anyway; back to templates...
< 1332131787 796350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think mathematics is science? Do you think philosophy is science?
< 1332131880 125158 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No to each.
< 1332131924 300456 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maharba: I agree; my answer is also no to both questions.
< 1332132013 694358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people say mathematics is science; I disagree. Among other things, mathematics is more exact than science.
< 1332132070 586607 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And relies on logical proof rather than testing of theories by experiment.
< 1332132088 555453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too.
< 1332132275 67629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I daresay not every mathematician personally verifies every single one of the proofs their work depends on.
< 1332132294 838583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pure methods are different, but neither mathematics nor science are practiced in a vacuum, and they use the same infrastructure of peer review.
< 1332132309 596297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I rather think mathematics looks a lot more like science in practice than it does in theory.
< 1332132339 372465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, you could call verifying someone's proof "repeating their experiment"....
< 1332132369 134642 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they are fundamentally different concepts.
< 1332132421 896628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said: the study itself is vastly different. But the framework surrounding them makes them look a lot more similar.
< 1332132440 133244 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1332132467 422831 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the distinction between engineering and science?
< 1332132611 645275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think engineering is an activity that involves the application of science: not two directly comparable concepts, but one a utilisation of the other.
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< 1332136003 180467 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott tswett UPDATE
< 1332136009 504071 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332136019 524454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand the new main page is live
< 1332136021 820576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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< 1332136208 497477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: monqy: :'(
< 1332136214 81811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332136221 675097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new main page you say
< 1332136223 721493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is new
< 1332136279 518705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it
< 1332136280 474776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful
< 1332136404 273203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's
< 1332136405 506245 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja vu
< 1332136491 288202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: where's the deja vu,,,
< 1332136498 527564 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main page
< 1332136502 477955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a daej vue
< 1332136525 728836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why,e
< 1332136529 857834 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know???
< 1332136538 887522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1332136551 906728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wikipedia's main page looked similar circa 2004????
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< 1332136964 960204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We really need a page that links to "miscellany" like [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] and [[EsoInterpreters]].
< 1332137329 425127 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a suggestion.. in the "for readers" section.. "Firstly, ... first place" uses "first" twice, consider changing at least one?
< 1332137355 751191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running 'dieharder', a suite of PRNG statistical tests
< 1332137362 633069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one test is that it simulates 200,000 games of craps
< 1332137378 615122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Hmm... is "in the first place" a UK idiom? Probably a good idea.
< 1332137414 235875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"find out what an esoteric programming language is in the first place" ~ "find out what on earth an 'esoteric programming language' is" ~ "find out what an esoteric programming language *is*, anyway" ~ etc.
< 1332137426 488654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "firsts" aren't really sharing a meaning there :P
< 1332137451 117451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I think you will find the new main page appropriately... solid.
< 1332137541 714003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I removed the "Firstly,"
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< 1332137834 505638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone convince me not to make [[Deadfish]] my candidate.
< 1332137843 386925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't, because if I do I won't be able to stop myself from choosing it.
< 1332137884 861677 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canditate for what?
< 1332137961 94558 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most implemented language?
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< 1332138001 893439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages.
< 1332138085 985181 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is so great about Deadfish
< 1332138097 159949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What? Are you kidding?
< 1332138104 303831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish is the greatest programming language ever.
< 1332138205 796688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, why doesn't http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Featured_languages list ///?
< 1332138582 925160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK; don't make [[Deadfish]] your candidate.
< 1332138725 312124 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332138807 449635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/696_(number) This just in from Wikipedia...
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< 1332138993 840337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE
< 1332139518 572329 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1332140196 268651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Thank you for that list of rules, by the way; they turned into my featured language selection guidelines.
< 1332140196 509086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332140271 884828 :cheater_!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-0.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1332140470 58122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is the new ESOLANG MAIN PAGE as BEAUTIFUL AS YOUTH?
< 1332140485 698218 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is as beautiful as youth
< 1332140524 202212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if a language is submitted once by one person, and doesn't make the cut, can it be submitted again by a different person, or is that it?
< 1332140695 39386 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1332140909 940396 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1332141167 649473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, that policy is worded badly.
< 1332141186 915045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clarified: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates
< 1332141276 360690 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be learning to sleep
< 1332141297 692333 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially considering that on Wednesday...
< 1332141306 842269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :</personal-info>
< 1332141327 300558 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ok, thanks
< 1332141383 413948 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think <a1 b1="c1" b2="c2" bN="cN"> </a1> type notation as seen in html is very clever.. but what i wonder about is how safe it is to use such a language without paying anyone
< 1332141419 555826 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^type of notation
< 1332141435 676949 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you really should pay me to be safe.
< 1332141435 838941 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL THE FLEDGLING XML LOVER
< 1332141441 123699 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEBD96.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332141468 37734 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I can imagine if someone were cyberstalking me and saw that line, they'd fear for my stability.
< 1332141503 263146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most internet users have something known as a sense of humour.
< 1332141505 87627 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you underestimate the tenacity of a crazed cyberstalker
< 1332141512 691833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll doubt your stability for completely unrelated reasons!
< 1332141519 314114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you really think he needs to know about XML?
< 1332141535 105589 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know "of" it..
< 1332141619 188590 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it though.. i think it brought problems with software patents more into public eye when microsoft got sued over that  xml patent thing in word
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< 1332142645 364336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332142656 45508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332142657 804093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esowiki, err, changed a fair amount since you were last here
< 1332142665 900374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds worrying
< 1332142667 254191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have new obligations now! (technically)
< 1332142672 289272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even been asleep since then!
< 1332142681 808027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page is probably the easiest place to start.
< 1332142714 298499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I was reading the history in my RSS reader
< 1332142717 372643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is normally how I read Esolang
< 1332142734 136740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's just that there's an awful lot of history this time :)
< 1332142736 912439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's cheating!
< 1332142741 911449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll know why it happens before the what.
< 1332142820 993921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 doesn't know the crime of being wikipsychic :'(
< 1332142854 392578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty similar on Wikipedia, btw; things rarely took me by surprise because I had a habit of reading the relevant discussion pages
< 1332142865 531250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although obviously I couldn't read every edit to the whole wiki
< 1332143048 734634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some have tried
< 1332143091 420297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, since the main page's title is hidden now and i just redesigned it, i may be unusually susceptible to arguments that it should be moved to [[Esolang:Main page]].
< 1332143116 114384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only Esolang, I don't really care
< 1332143123 187365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I sort-of do, but most of my arguments don't apply
< 1332143146 204068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you /really care/ on Wikipedia? /really/?
< 1332143214 263614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… "don't really" is not actually an absolute opposite of "really"
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< 1332143309 260981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/really/ care, then
< 1332143431 789979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additionally, the decision states that there is no opportunity for a further appeal to Jimbo Wales if the Committee is reviewing a ban originally imposed by Jimbo Wales." -- I was wrong about Jimbo being the final appeals process for ArbCom
< 1332143443 666148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jimbo is the final appeals process for ArbCom, except when ArbCom is serving as the final appeals process for Jimbo
< 1332143463 473252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I mentioned I'm reading this Wikipedia metanonsense for pure entertainment?
< 1332143481 138262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty entertaining, indeed
< 1332143489 530834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think that's its intended purpose
< 1332143519 654401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now I just have to set up a situation whereby an ArbCom decision's final appeal process is Jimbo /and vice versa/ simultaneously
< 1332143533 660277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Jimbo will have to become the ArbCom to resolve it
< 1332143536 130860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or vice versa
< 1332143544 676213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need Jimbo and ArbCom to ban the same person simultaneously and independently
< 1332143552 549635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect that would simply just leave them with no appeals at all
< 1332143567 155249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's fairly decisive as these things go
< 1332143589 486987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we need ArbCom and Jimbo to both take non-opposite, but contradictory actions to resolve the same situation simultaneously
< 1332143611 630172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, nobody knows what to do, and they aren't in agreement
< 1332143860 352703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 4,507 registered users, but most of them are spambots."
< 1332143899 564048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I remember the case where there were community sanctions on someone, and arbcom agreed with them, then later converted them to a simple ban because nobody could figure out what they meant
< 1332143941 745470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i realise that a 1:4 article:user ratio would be rather unlikely :)
< 1332143956 828972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just amused at the statistic
< 1332143984 662304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in feedback on the featured languages process, btw
< 1332144014 399988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to keep it as low-overhead as possible, but I still have a feeling submissions will completely stagnate, leaving it up to mostly the whims of the admin updating it (which is basically what i proposed to start with anyway)
< 1332144107 315258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you have an anonymised google: are we really the top result for "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity."?
< 1332144120 344547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, I mean... I hope so
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< 1332144135 47535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's still probably going to try to geolocate me
< 1332144165 59248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we are, indeed
< 1332144184 707576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's just that google knows I've clicked esolangs.org a lot
< 1332144187 438169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a page about Graue is third, and the logs of this channel are fourth
< 1332144188 705309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from results
< 1332144195 451713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that matches what i see too
< 1332144201 444204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other results on that page look relevant
< 1332144202 332645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graue page is just his realname from the whois of the domain
< 1332144205 290768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :voxelperfect that is
< 1332144206 162287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is without quotes, btw
< 1332144210 9013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto
< 1332144212 489155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I guessed it was autogenerated
< 1332144222 821857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, have you looked at the link in the topic?
< 1332144226 685222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the logs link, the other one
< 1332144227 899124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332144237 267501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you ask, it's pornography, and also warez
< 1332144241 702554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have
< 1332144243 956794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't
< 1332144246 963530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, before checking?!
< 1332144347 496960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had been there for a while
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< 1332144362 539606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I trust Gregor to that extent
< 1332144380 182507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he could just as easily put warez and pornography on codu.org
< 1332144385 58059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not quite as easily
< 1332144410 193614 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 NICK :itidus20
< 1332144487 161801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know *I* put warez and pornography on codu.org.
< 1332144544 674009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wouldn't expect it to be your job to put anything on codu.org, I thought that was Gregor's job.
< 1332144577 323708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was covert.
< 1332144721 434059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, *did* you have any comments on the featured language process, or are you still reading the changes?
< 1332144736 923982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh
< 1332144770 689124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i made the best of a bad situation :P
< 1332144807 97353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you need to propose [[Deadfish]] as a candidate.
< 1332144833 888625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
< 1332144865 684519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?!
< 1332144876 643770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying Deadfish _isn't_ the greatest programming language ever designed?
< 1332144894 347484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1332144905 984681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are /you/ saying @lang isn't the greatest programming language ever designed?
< 1332144916 543759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"before someone mentions Feather"
< 1332144926 659805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's Feather
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< 1332144973 869763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, no, @lang is just the least _sucky_
< 1332144984 933419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish comes from a position where there is no suck.
< 1332144988 918221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's at the suck pole.
< 1332144993 493087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it is, is greatness.
< 1332145062 701956 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently @lang < (0,sucky]
< 1332145100 473532 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops..
< 1332145133 454962 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused about which lang but lets just pretend i didnt try to use math
< 1332145135 389619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll just get oerjan to propose deadfish then.
< 1332145138 617452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sheesh", as they say.
< 1332146159 254069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on TeXnicard a bit now, and I realize, one of the paragraphs mentions bad luck, and that names mentioned in the index include: Damian Conway, Bryce Courtenay, David Fuchs, Israel Houghton, Ron Luce, George Marsaglia, Martin Pool, and Steve Smith. However, Donald Knuth's name is not in there. Perhaps it should be, if it has algorithms which are based on his algorithms?
< 1332146280 715594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My name is not in there either)
< 1332146325 869102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The index of TeX: The Program mentions Hercule Poirot.
< 1332147070 617062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, in my program, Donald Knuth is mentioned in the bibliography, just not in the index.
< 1332147464 956456 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332152879 552872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: helpful tip to write a wikipedia article about yourself: make three copies of the exact same article with different content, one of which will be deleted as copyvio, contest the speedying of only one of the remaining ones, then post it as a new section on [[Talk:Main Page]] once they get deleted
< 1332152905 35864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that would work :)
< 1332152914 217176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you can't try!
< 1332152923 637857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone just try that on Wikipedia? or on Esolang?
< 1332152929 624696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia. esolang would be more amusing
< 1332152938 52817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lead me to discover that none of the scary warning templates support telling someone you've speedy-tagged _three_ of your articles.
< 1332152947 983257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to edit the pluralisation in after the fact.
< 1332152952 383766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of their
< 1332152964 614411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's usual to send three scary warnings in response to that
< 1332152973 667944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's /correct/, or even if there's a point
< 1332152975 155982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's usual
< 1332152975 441745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're the same article!
< 1332152985 722822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's like three clicks in Twinkle!
< 1332152989 242263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332152994 251950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I should have pluralised "page" but not "article"
< 1332153029 97852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm feeling very *Wikipedia*, time to move the main page to Esolang:Main page
< 1332153033 339976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the wikipedia main page, naturally)
< 1332153040 152100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /is/ the correct name for Esolang, right?
< 1332153089 872558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something kind of horrifyingly awesome about that
< 1332153098 554296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase p on "Main page"? wouldn't uppercase be better?
< 1332153115 312480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that we'll still need a redirect from the old location pretty much forever
< 1332153118 54263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the sidebar entry is "Main page", and the default community portal page was changed to [[Project:Community portal]]
< 1332153119 525495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Portal
< 1332153128 864607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i presume it's the intended capitalisation of pages like that
< 1332153137 909324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1332153154 444610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, right up until I invent my esolang Main Page
< 1332153159 768310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suggestion on Wikipedia was "Portal:Main", but "Esolang:Main" doesn't make sense
< 1332153184 117549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my real preferred solution was to rename it to the null string
< 1332153189 186244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently MediaWiki doesn't support that
< 1332153191 173896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish MW used /wiki/ as the URL for the main page, so it didn't expose the title
< 1332153194 476715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, pseudo-snap
< 1332153207 685610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I could make it do that with some kind of hook, but: blergh
< 1332153216 720779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Main_page is a really ugly url.
< 1332153228 159502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of ugly even without the Esolang:
< 1332153258 552069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1332153283 118091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page at least makes /sense/, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Main_page is massively redundant and has a random colon in it
< 1332153338 122402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest something like http://esolangs.org/wiki/wiki.php/Esolang:Main_page?namespace=Esolang&title=Main_page&wiki=esolangs, if you can manage it.
< 1332153408 368538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www14.esolangs.org/load.pl?/cgi-bin/esolang/mediawiki/wiki.phtml?title=Esolang:Main_page&PHPSESSID=59aa95ad46cd67d82ba0f812407326dd
< 1332153437 194347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fails with any other PHPSESSID?
< 1332153448 146691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just redirects you to the correct one :)
< 1332153448 959397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: naturally; load.pl is a load balancer
< 1332153455 159996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the PHPSESSID is the session of the proxy server
< 1332153466 924810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that only one person can be logged in at any one time
< 1332153494 500840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gah, we have a debugger like that that we're using for our GPU programming
< 1332153506 730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one person across the whole department can debug a GPU program at a time
< 1332153509 231796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1332153519 728019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but do you get to share their debugging?
< 1332153523 999721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a licensing restriction, it's a complicated technical restriction
< 1332153530 185752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this system, admins just log in, work *really fast*, then log out before anyone can do anything
< 1332153536 852228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use screen or something to do that
< 1332153598 361788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, now I'm actually looking at how to override the URL of the main page
< 1332153605 240511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like they introduced a very convenient hook for it ........... in 1.19
< 1332153790 911628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives you a perfect excuse to procrastinate!
< 1332153795 328250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    if (strpos($url, $wgScript.'?') !== false) {
< 1332153809 735981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a /reason/ to write a conditional like that in PHP?
< 1332153812 296772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes, please don't tell me why
< 1332153818 591297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, . is string concatenation there?
< 1332153823 240353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332153829 455719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was method invocation for a moment
< 1332153834 161662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have been awesome but worrying
< 1332153842 824092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy guide to reading php code: it's like perl but everything's dumb
< 1332153864 104946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want a language that lets you call methods ? and isn't Smalltalk-like
< 1332153873 441239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doing it in Smalltalk is too easy)
< 1332153877 933089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess JavaScript does
< 1332153903 765143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Lua lets you define them, but I'm not sure offhand if there's any way to call them
< 1332153904 802045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've convinced mediawiki that the URL to the main page is /wiki/
< 1332153909 242861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still redirects that to /wiki/Main_Page
< 1332154053 602622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, look what i did http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332154058 797266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the next 5 seconds before i fix it
< 1332154068 256853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four
< 1332154070 13194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three
< 1332154071 379908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two
< 1332154073 44944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one
< 1332154079 308854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed your chance
< 1332154092 23094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to Esolang, the wiki!" does have a nice ring to it
< 1332154103 879989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Learn" is an excellent bullet point
< 1332154132 292484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"View the".
< 1332154144 722760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Discuss the wiki on the".
< 1332154146 242542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it.
< 1332154150 346777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, liked.
< 1332154159 133801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why not ?"
< 1332154168 903420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Otherwise, you could help out with a ."
< 1332154193 624187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You'll probably want to find out what on earth an is in the first place."
< 1332154221 321446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very horse_ebooks.
< 1332154388 505361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332154391 289009 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332154406 314877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Conservapedia runs PHP via CGI
< 1332154425 910493 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1332154427 600523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... well... to be expected, I suppsoe
< 1332154428 377703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you tell?
< 1332154429 367215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suppose
< 1332154433 302830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://conservapedia.com/Special:Version
< 1332154436 466594 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332154443 873813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm guessing you somehow managed to make all links not show up? or edited them out of the page?
< 1332154466 704784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made my function insert an HTML comment whenever it's called upon to talk about a link
< 1332154479 617210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it messed up every link, and also forced the TOC into the main page and things like that
< 1332154497 380067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say "live production environment" I say "test server"
< 1332154511 648224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does esolang run PHP? FCGI? 
< 1332154530 865605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FastCGI via the php-fpm daemon, plugged into nginx.
< 1332154531 859962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess I should've just Special:Version'd.
< 1332154551 586958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nonono, I'm perfectly happy to gloat about my setup considering the pain it took to set up.
< 1332154571 887282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that /w/ doesn't really exist, the relevant scripts are all mapped to a completely different filesystem path?
< 1332154663 632027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, when's Eurovision?
< 1332154673 606054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; Wikipedia probably does
< 1332154675 767431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good question
< 1332154680 671976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey, when's Eurovision?
< 1332154689 433091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's reasonably soonishly.
< 1332154698 260035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1332154700 308879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hey, when's Eurovision?
< 1332154701 549957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 may is the final
< 1332154706 337786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 and 24 may are the semifinals
< 1332154709 703291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looked it up
< 1332154710 820639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not *so* soon.
< 1332154715 43031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've guessed April.
< 1332154722 129377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thanks, I was looking for a FINNISH QUALITY ANSWER though.
< 1332154733 377728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's after NetHack Apocalypse Day, which I really need to prepare for
< 1332154739 629900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what's that?
< 1332154739 792229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose I should've known, because it was when we were in Paris, and that was probably May.
< 1332154756 963434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a secret that isn't really all that secret, and I invented the name for it just now
< 1332154765 955602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're planning it for april 1 so that nobody believes it when it happens
< 1332154772 545231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so that we can back out of it really easily
< 1332154802 31185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: you can back out of pretty much anything that isn't illegal if you do it on april 1)
< 1332154813 64985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nitrohack is being released as nethack 4.0.0?
< 1332154817 498378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with merged acehack?
< 1332154843 879916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's more complex than that
< 1332154847 651511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this stunned silence is the silence of TRUTH rather than typing delay
< 1332154849 37880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires the coordination of quite a lot of people
< 1332154857 739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "...without the devteam's consent"?
< 1332154859 451550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 3
< 1332154866 101149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's more than we managed last year
< 1332154877 991337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even finished merging NiceHack yet, though
< 1332154903 885321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't one of the DevTeam complain about the platform support you're dropping? Are you going to kill them?
< 1332154950 899899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the silence of truth again.
< 1332154973 254231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence of reading another window, pinging me helps if you want a quick answer
< 1332154981 112885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332154984 204465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it to be the silence of truth.
< 1332155001 478644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my solution, unlike daniel_t's, is to say that I'm supporting a small set of platforms to start with just to get something moving, and willing to expand as people willing to test and send in patches are found
< 1332155002 157789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silence of LAMBS.
< 1332155017 299903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this viewpoint is actually probably equivalent to his, but less controversial
< 1332155042 869032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes the devteam consent question remains pointedly unanswered.

< 1332155055 788040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we're not getting their consent for this
< 1332155081 788637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what we really need? someone at Debian to mistake it for not an april fool's thing and package it up
< 1332155100 960196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't tell how much of an April Fool's Joke this is.

< 1332155115 360614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise Debian are far too serious to let an April Fool's Joke stay in if they realise later, right?
< 1332155227 279699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they package INTERCAL!
< 1332155261 239907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as long as it hits testing with the new major version, they can't subsequently reduce the major version number
< 1332155274 372235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't hit testing.
< 1332155275 464536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd either have to add a majorer version number to let them drop it back down to 3.4.3, or lie and call it 4.4.3 or something
< 1332155282 311286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK
< 1332155317 949797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I thought you meant you were actually planning a coup.
< 1332155322 276085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was more interesting.
< 1332155419 422876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might go onto a coup
< 1332155424 530839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the april 1 thing is well-received
< 1332155571 443907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you fix this hook?
< 1332155583 110510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in PHP, so no
< 1332155590 632631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in my current state of tiredness
< 1332155724 842949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask #mediawiki, but I think they'd start yelling at me not to do that.
< 1332155757 943601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1332155765 185477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell past elliott he's a moron
< 1332155790 657195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm no good at retroactive IRC
< 1332155997 408229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was interesting, I momentarily made [[Talk:Main Page]] the main page
< 1332156068 334419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any particular reason? or by mistake?
< 1332156077 99589 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why am I awake?
< 1332156091 452990 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to sleep at 22:whatever or so and woke up.
< 1332156112 808413 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be nice and properly awake 12 hours from now.
< 1332156124 655738 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you solutionise my problem?
< 1332156172 329384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What time is it?
< 1332156178 418443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh dear, now I'm getting annoyed at /w/ URLs too
< 1332156274 703182 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's 04:24
< 1332156307 896391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Morning!
< 1332156787 741599 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HELP
< 1332156798 451505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi
< 1332156805 873333 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm tired now.
< 1332156809 31042 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will I be in 12 hours?
< 1332156815 212445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: go to slep
< 1332156877 814683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> in the GetLocalURL hook, $url is a path, but in GetFullURL, it's a full URL, right? i.e. you can't just use the same function for both hooks, their input/output is different
< 1332156877 976921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Dantman> Why do you need to override GetFullURL?
< 1332156924 590680 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What channel is that?
< 1332156937 288237 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't be in channels that I'm not in!
< 1332157068 83354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is str_replace( '$1', '', '/wiki/$1' ) not '/wiki/'? :(
< 1332157091 794909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments in a different order, perhaps?
< 1332157113 506054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed str_replace ( mixed $search , mixed $replace , mixed $subject [, int &$count ] )
< 1332157113 667537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This function returns a string or an array with all occurrences of search in subject replaced with the given replace value.
< 1332157116 438313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks correct to me.
< 1332157133 752956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh.
< 1332157137 754719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';
< 1332157142 945136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gets mutated into /wiki/The_Actual_Title.
< 1332157149 585384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because PHP's globals reset on every request.
< 1332157153 64387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crying.
< 1332157162 618398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who chose to mutate the template into its output?
< 1332157170 24438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't really globals
< 1332157201 978411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're request variables.
< 1332157216 508908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332157255 931887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh!
< 1332157258 20442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that I forgot
< 1332157261 508511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :global $wgArticlePath;
< 1332157264 995085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it was just using the empty string instead.
< 1332157310 265891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, the reason /wiki/ was redirecting to /wiki/Main_Page is that I configured nginx to do that
< 1332157454 940579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another 20-second error: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332157475 231372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix'et
< 1332157651 247290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie: group-ping
< 1332157669 599515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332157672 322413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode have a simplified group registration form now, that's just for freenode (rather than PDPC), and requests much less information
< 1332157687 409020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means we could secure #esoteric and get it out the way with a lot easier, since they're processed quicker.
< 1332157758 967198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting
< 1332157774 740047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freenode.net/grf-f.php -- Primary; Informal Group; Single, discrete group; esoteric; http://esolangs.org/; #esoteric,#esoteric-* for the first few values seems right
< 1332157790 86243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, #esoteric-* might be wrong
< 1332157801 617846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft probably shouldn't fall under its jurisdiction, for instance
< 1332157845 640479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a channel that was spun off in order to deflect away offtopic material
< 1332157855 876674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does #irp count along the same lines? it's basically just a honeypot for Reddit
< 1332157857 83162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but #esoteric-the-group should not own it
< 1332157883 495142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just #esoteric
< 1332157891 174736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we care about #esoteric-offtopic or #esoteric-blah?
< 1332157891 915477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it asks for your role in the project, and suggests you should be senior; if the URL is esolangs.org, that suggests ais523 should do it
< 1332157895 763318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else I should op fizzie or oerjan
< 1332157898 269108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sysop
< 1332157904 22756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i doubt it
< 1332157951 774186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Small blurb about project" -- it's going to take some full-time bullshitting to pretend we're on the organisational level of something that could be called a "project" ;)
< 1332157957 816276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[DEAR FREENODE STAFFERS: I AM KIDDING.]
< 1332158016 303688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh dear, after all that effort, MediaWiki thwarts me
< 1332158018 918395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploration of insufficiently explored theories of programming language design
< 1332158030 920712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it gets an empty path info, it ends up convinced that it needs to redirect
< 1332158032 910137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make it sound relevant and ontopic when I need to!
< 1332158043 685279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you patch that check out?
< 1332158054 687567 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332158060 941732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I'd rather reconfigure the webserver to send the main page's title as the pathinfo if you request /wiki/
< 1332158069 207638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, that's not relevant and on-topic, strictly
< 1332158073 711709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is about "open projects", not tech
< 1332158077 312564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean, it's obviously not /off-topic/)
< 1332158079 62153 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332158088 187546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, reusing the wiki blurb of "Dedicated to the fostering and documentation of programming languages designed to be unique, difficult to program in, or just plain weird."
< 1332158089 689082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably better
< 1332158095 227115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since "fostering" sounds all community-spirit-like
< 1332158103 83803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1332158111 903556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking from the academic point of view
< 1332158139 493959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this would be a lot easier if we just registered an organisation called "esoteric"
< 1332158198 387275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you filling it out seems reasonable, as long as enough of the other people who help to run this channel agree
< 1332158209 815336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on their rules for who should be primary contact
< 1332158219 198878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it uses recaptcha
< 1332158234 469001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, I doubt someone who isn't an op would be considered a good contact
< 1332158241 781637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I see an excellent solution to this problem :)
< 1332158251 321161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear…
< 1332158256 333376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, good point
< 1332158268 322196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MY NEFARIOUS PLAN IS FINALLY COMING TOGETHER)
< 1332158273 864751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably be fizzie as senior op, then
< 1332158286 28954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was opped recently enough that chanserv remembers whne it happened, as was I
< 1332158291 664447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the thing is that they use the URL to verify the claim
< 1332158294 502704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and consider it the project URL
< 1332158300 621627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie isn't a senior staffer of esolangs.org, our project
< 1332158306 795282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is called esoteric)
< 1332158315 425345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need someone who's an op and a wiki-admin
< 1332158320 849028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, I could just wiki-admin fizzie.
< 1332158334 890528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need to be a server admin anyway, for the confirmation?
< 1332158337 71633 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332158351 632775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not completely implausible that a community might want separation of powers between their website and IRC channel, though
< 1332158356 695514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's a "put this HTML thing on your website"
< 1332158365 626698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "we'll look at your project website and verify your claim to be it on IRC"
< 1332158396 950478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be really convenient to own esoteric.<tld> for this...
< 1332158399 336661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1332158419 790578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a human involved, we can explain easily enough
< 1332158457 572150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the community portal should be our URL instead, or something
< 1332158469 75766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yes, but this is /freenode/, that'll slow it down by ten years
< 1332158510 464608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who runs the esolang mailing list on sange.fi? and does it still exist?
< 1332158529 650124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa
< 1332158533 835249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, technically, I think
< 1332158540 333058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "esolang" is irrelevant to us, it's "esoteric" we care about
< 1332158554 53394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing we want is a staffer saying "OK, all good, just move to #esolangs now!"
< 1332158569 154485 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY #esolangs
< 1332158582 438635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bset chanenlelal
< 1332158646 824657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why?
< 1332158651 333927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd help avoid confusion
< 1332158654 989564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because that defeats the whole point?
< 1332158659 412008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what whole point?
< 1332158669 800359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason to register a group is to keep #esoteric, it's otherwise a completely nonsense process
< 1332158670 276157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esolang is probably a better name, come to think of it
< 1332158674 420407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not
< 1332158685 545407 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's name is secretly Eric.
< 1332158690 379246 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He likes having a channel named after him.
< 1332158692 498751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esot Eric.
< 1332158702 761485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolang is a contraction for "esoteric language", and we thought the language was redundant as we're on Freenode
< 1332158709 461735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we"?
< 1332158713 55509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't _around_ in 2002
< 1332158745 468794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, "esoteric topics in computer programming" =/= "esoteric programming languages" exclusively
< 1332158753 61611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esolangs is a far more inaccurate name
< 1332158756 16058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also believe it's taken
< 1332158757 904111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's ugly
< 1332158767 174288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm projecting
< 1332158817 675075 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should rename this channel "esoterick"
< 1332158822 152233 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterick.org is available.
< 1332158889 564084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: As an operator, I agree.
< 1332158892 259888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm an op now, right?
< 1332158911 278403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to consider the merits of opping or otherwise someone right now
< 1332158921 176800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you're starting to remind me uncomfortably of kerio
< 1332158927 255919 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Making elliott an op would be the biggest mistake you could ever make.
< 1332158931 654557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the last one.
< 1332158934 14818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excellent, the less thoughtful you are the more likely you'll op me
< 1332158936 848784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who among other things keeps continuously nagging me to fill out GRFs for AceHack
< 1332158957 237194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he /is/ opped in #acehack, but we have the settings such that he can't deal too much damage
< 1332158962 420012 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glaucoma Research Foundation?
< 1332158968 958256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought AceHack was busy being deconstructed
< 1332158971 137737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :group registration form
< 1332158986 222971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's being merged with nitrohack, which is typically discussed in #unnethack (and sometimes #acehack)
< 1332158991 969286 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust kerio.
< 1332158994 433836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever that is.
< 1332158995 493805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but channels all have their own communities
< 1332159016 825827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#unnethack's become the de-facto channel for discussing variants as a set (as opposed to particular variants)
< 1332159024 983053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, there's no #nitrohack yet?
< 1332159035 254535 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#conethack
< 1332159049 715085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, there is, but nobody's there but kerio
< 1332159070 51680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #grunthack was created really recently, mostly to have a place to put the announcebot
< 1332159083 263858 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about toft? You're much better off with toft as an op.
< 1332159093 849251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: am I an op yet?
< 1332159115 325229 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iselliottanopyet.com/
< 1332159125 768734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YES"
< 1332159126 990704 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Elliott A NOP Yet?
< 1332159128 269711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says yes ais523
< 1332159129 144386 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YES"
< 1332159132 482698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring reality in line with reality
< 1332159135 428893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can ask chanserv, probably faster than getting a response from me
< 1332159141 504587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says yes
< 1332159141 868787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Make elliott a nop.
< 1332159142 574059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please tell me you just registered that :)
< 1332159149 623043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also says ais523 has to make me into an op before i can use it
< 1332159153 600310 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... Elliott *already* does nothing!
< 1332159154 682177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test of your faith
< 1332159173 204152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "ISELLIOTTANOPYET.COM".
< 1332159177 697693 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope, it's free.
< 1332159182 939400 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead and take it.
< 1332159192 956261 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free as in unregistered, not free as in lunch or speech.
< 1332159203 375567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <shachaf> Free as in unregistered, not free as in lunch or speech.
< 1332159213 208620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825) <shachaf> Free as in unregistered, not free as in lunch or speech.
< 1332159214 948820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159216 109275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote s'f'slg;sd'sdfjhklf;sdklfjdfklgj
< 1332159216 271153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159217 764118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159219 174721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159219 651040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody delete that one
< 1332159220 798400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159223 180897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my pet quote now
< 1332159227 975992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :92) <ais523> let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future
< 1332159229 320220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will survive forever and nobody will know why
< 1332159231 16259 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :587) <fungot> elliott_: it's a machine that looks like you!
< 1332159231 608198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I delete a good one to make room for it?
< 1332159233 348798 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote s'f'slg;sd'sdfjhklf;sdklfjdfklgj
< 1332159233 898246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332159235 114121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :449) <ais523> the thing about modern semiconductor design is, 0s are more powerful as 1s
< 1332159242 186274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159242 804263 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :826) s'f'slg;sd'sdfjhklf;sdklfjdfklgj
< 1332159243 711086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) <virtuhird> Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename.
< 1332159244 1700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :702) <twice11> Yeah, statistics with 2 data points is science. Statistics with one data point is crap.  <twice11> You measure a third point if you need an error estimate.
< 1332159246 52441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I meant "than 1s"
< 1332159253 460487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 86
< 1332159257 373990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* <virtuhird> Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename.
< 1332159259 781895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete an elliott quote to make room for an elliott quote
< 1332159261 458627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I agree with that
< 1332159266 357041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting 86, that is
< 1332159281 859839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159282 497464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159283 36150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159283 514836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159283 923797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1332159291 251739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :333) <elliott> A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold.  <elliott> See? I'm intellectual.
< 1332159296 532411 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :230) <fizzie> And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?)
< 1332159297 876831 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 826
< 1332159298 582750 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1332159300 872732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 92 is /my/ pet 825
< 1332159303 604909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1332159307 33467 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159307 332038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's numbered 825 now
< 1332159308 694462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1332159309 90306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127) <oerjan> alise: mainly it's the fact it blows so hard i cannot avoid hitting the walls of the thing, which completely goes against my basic public toilet hygiene principles
< 1332159311 117585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :501) <Taneb> Speaking of the CiSRA puzzles, anyone want to form a team  <oerjan> i avoid my duties by carefully never registering to anything new
< 1332159312 390314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 825
< 1332159314 768703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :794) <kmc> damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN
< 1332159317 304554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* s'f'slg;sd'sdfjhklf;sdklfjdfklgj
< 1332159324 580975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 105
< 1332159327 179745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1332159336 749307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 501
< 1332159337 43508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does that actually go back 105 revisions?
< 1332159340 820200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* <Taneb> Speaking of the CiSRA puzzles, anyone want to form a team  <oerjan> i avoid my duties by carefully never registering to anything new
< 1332159342 647811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it goes back to revision 105
< 1332159345 974312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1332159354 429746 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`UNDELETE.EXE 825
< 1332159357 736589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: UNDELETE.EXE: not found
< 1332159378 939477 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT
< 1332159391 418281 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unacceptable.
< 1332159399 351469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch UNDELETE.EXE
< 1332159402 579261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159417 344649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`DELTREE /y C:\*.*
< 1332159420 135554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: DELTREE: not found
< 1332159440 459959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/revert
< 1332159443 937494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/revert: No such file or directory
< 1332159451 635199 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which revert
< 1332159455 416847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159458 25934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo now this file will be strangely hard to empty completely >> canary
< 1332159461 364212 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159464 455913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not really /that/ hard
< 1332159466 392890 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1332159468 987887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this file will be strangely hard to empty completely
< 1332159500 16254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: the only reason canary was empty beforehand was that it used to say that and someone decided to test it
< 1332159504 624888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may not be a true fact)
< 1332159513 320271 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :False fact: elliott is now an op
< 1332159522 914435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo chirp >canary
< 1332159524 685089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaries chirp right
< 1332159525 88684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: May not be a false fact)
< 1332159526 111994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159534 599405 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run canary run
< 1332159537 519362 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: canary: command not found
< 1332159538 173513 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaries run right
< 1332159660 219685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1332159663 146788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1332159677 856635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need something in there about a canary's typical reaction to a cat (which is based on a cat's typical reaction to a canary)
< 1332159688 452691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary
< 1332159691 422314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159695 727699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaries chirp at everything
< 1332159696 495356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1332159697 110511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was correct
< 1332159699 603795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1332159701 159532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still is
< 1332159704 869366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't delete canary :)
< 1332159709 542159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh :P
< 1332159733 796181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm canary && mkdir canary
< 1332159736 856629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159739 629660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1332159742 636523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: canary: No such file or directory
< 1332159748 743041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you delete canary?
< 1332159750 151700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1332159753 736722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hg doesn't track empty directories
< 1332159760 976797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now every commit will fail until we recreate it
< 1332159763 328813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >foo
< 1332159766 92502 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159769 257615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat foo
< 1332159769 825768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a few seconds...
< 1332159770 383041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat foo
< 1332159772 17515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: foo: No such file or directory
< 1332159778 690363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1332159782 713313 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: foo: No such file or directory
< 1332159787 33880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful to lock out certain people from the bot :P
< 1332159788 32873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo chirp >canary
< 1332159790 986883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332159801 18273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor might want to fix this canary bug
< 1332159801 308783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159810 447861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1332159815 146518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't he called RocketJSquirrel?
< 1332159819 524659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-19#122213ais523
< 1332159819 764892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159823 278496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION demands he changes back to Friendship

< 1332159826 218246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell RocketJSquirrel check messages as Gregor
< 1332159826 416501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159834 178240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Friendship check messages as RocketJSquirrel
< 1332159834 585594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159843 419943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell GregorR check messages as Friendship
< 1332159843 676596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159846 922422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor check messages as GregorR
< 1332159847 199965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332159849 129612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1332159863 813669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about doing that, but decided against it
< 1332159889 195301 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is ais523 your real name?
< 1332159891 556241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that at least one of those is very likely to end up ending with no messages?
< 1332159892 690943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332159897 73709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you consider to be a real name?
< 1332159903 493337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the idea is that all of them get cleared
< 1332159906 722534 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or is your real name "(this is obviously not my real name)"?
< 1332159912 848274 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How should I know?
< 1332159914 771245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332159916 991900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that obviously isn't my real name
< 1332159945 785721 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"obvious isn't" /= "is obviously not"
< 1332159962 524836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I say they were the same?
< 1332159972 543725 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say you said they were the same?
< 1332159988 690271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did I say that you said that I said they were the same?
< 1332160003 773110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332160014 919330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: The previous statement is false.)
< 1332160033 154753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog you said that I said
< 1332160037 908061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to check!
< 1332160057 888810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Put the main page at /wiki/ rather than /wiki/Title_of_Main_Page
< 1332160061 949651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function fnMainPageLink( $title, $url, $query, $variant = false ) {
< 1332160061 949836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        global $wgArticlePath;
< 1332160061 949948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        if ( $title->isMainPage() && $query == '' && $variant === false ) {
< 1332160061 950187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                $url = str_replace( '$1', '', $wgArticlePath );
< 1332160061 950359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        }
< 1332160061 950464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        return true;
< 1332160062 137399 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't say it in public.
< 1332160062 408173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1332160062 770823 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C65D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332160064 401189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$wgHooks['GetLocalURL'][] = 'fnMainPageLink';
< 1332160065 843840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332160066 413005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1332160074 775685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think I've ever talked to you in not-public
< 1332160085 952664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently I have
< 1332160092 838452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the one line, though
< 1332160098 302409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was related to #vacuum
< 1332160100 416672 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have?
< 1332160108 153941 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's #vacuum?
< 1332160121 912785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, literal facepalm
< 1332160150 269467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you just tell shachaf to persuade me to go there without telling him what it was called?
< 1332160158 945772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because according to client history, he never mentioned the nam
< 1332160160 886135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*name
< 1332160164 815487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, that would be hilarious
< 1332160168 924128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have no idea what you're talking about.
< 1332160191 890956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, #vacuum is registered.
< 1332160192 52777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is unsure if he wants to believe that

< 1332160203 595489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And invite-only, apparently.
< 1332160217 690658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is registered; ChanServ wouldn't let me see its access list
< 1332160224 760020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that someone owns it to be able to configure it to do that
< 1332160239 226198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for "open" projects HA
< 1332160239 844483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160240 517673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160241 133926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160241 787888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160242 419280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160243 51087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160244 175088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160246 44669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160247 917910 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160248 79809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160250 31318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH
< 1332160252 54159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1332160254 56846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160256 61907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160258 63201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160260 67161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160262 66692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160264 69923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH
< 1332160264 232326 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1332160266 74553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA
< 1332160268 76366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA
< 1332160270 79394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA
< 1332160272 82866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHA
< 1332160274 114058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1332160276 89513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA
< 1332160278 4328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKOKOKOKOKO
< 1332160280 274705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO
< 1332160282 96025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember #<redacted>? it was agora-related, also it wasn't a cow, nor not a cow
< 1332160282 258189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1332160284 99635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1332160286 127260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1332160288 107993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1332160290 108311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1332160292 112504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1332160294 116440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1332160294 763787 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA
< 1332160295 22964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "ion!ion@heh.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA"]} rest:"
< 1332160295 209554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"ion!ion@heh.fi\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA\
< 1332160295 371907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"]} rest:\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\", msgCommand = \\\"PRIVMSG\\\", msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@@
< 1332160295 372084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA\\\"]} rest:\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\"freenode\\\\\\\", msgLBName = \\\\\\\"lambdabot\\\\\\\", msgPrefix = \\\\\\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\\\\\",
< 1332160295 372191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgCommand = \\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\", msgParams = [\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"
< 1332160296 124685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1332160297 22572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\", msgLBName = \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"lambdabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\", msgPrefix = \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\", msgCommand = \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\",
< 1332160298 122626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1332160299 43809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgParams = [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo HA\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"HA\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\"\""
< 1332160300 125854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko
< 1332160302 153482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FUCK YOU RUINED MY FUCKING TOWER JEEZ
< 1332160307 520555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does it start with an a and end with an oecabal?
< 1332160311 645670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332160327 314495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apointlessshoecabal?
< 1332160327 476387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as locked-down as #vacuum nowadays
< 1332160335 94243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1332160875 409989 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332161027 309356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see there's been some project-registration talk.
< 1332161041 349611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was busily making some slides.)
< 1332161095 430924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's funny; http://esolangs.org/ gives an autogenerated directory index right now.
< 1332161139 929179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's because it's being run incompetently.
< 1332161164 383834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed.
< 1332161192 774204 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected http://esolangs.org/ to say "I HATE YOU FIZZIE"
< 1332161304 524761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm not the one who brought up the "i word" here.
< 1332161305 914210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But yes; AFAICT it should be relatively simple to solidify our claim on #esoteric and also give out esoteric cloaks.
< 1332161306 413398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332161309 511636 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noone could have suspected who was about to join the channel next.
< 1332161335 587106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The easiest options are either I wiki-sysop you and you do it, or I get opped here and do it. CLEARLY ONE OF THESE IS PREFERABLE.
< 1332161366 688355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332161368 835108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you get the cabal's (there is no cabal) opinions on that? 
< 1332161389 658290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, these #esoteric ops. So willing to accept power, so unwilling to share it.
< 1332161391 731605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from elsewhere: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109925364564856140495/posts "Unicode character LOCH NESS MONSTER EMERGING FROM SINK DRAIN (U+2A18)".
< 1332161405 498572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, I have desysopped everyone else on the wiki and deleted all pages apart from [[User:ehird]].
< 1332161452 297107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I have an esoteric cloak?
< 1332161471 19184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I promise to ONLY guarantee this if I'm the one who does it.
< 1332161480 677788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, CFJ 2613 was awesome
< 1332161488 554052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity the judge didn't take it seriously
< 1332161783 986722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332161786 656306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332161798 22990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332161798 286753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332161801 520776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332161801 920776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6h 1s ago: Thank you for that list of rules, by the way; they turned into my featured language selection guidelines.
< 1332161803 956159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you make me an op or i make either you or fizzie a wiki sysop
< 1332161810 275127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for important reasons
< 1332161818 314723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1332161830 524114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually is though!
< 1332161835 324376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :group registration.
< 1332161845 755968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1332161851 472384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i can't make fizzie a wiki sysop because <TECHNICAL JARGON>
< 1332161854 731832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DECIDE.
< 1332161861 952337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you do realize ais523 is also an op?
< 1332161868 533650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he's not senior enough
< 1332161871 495731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically neither are you
< 1332161876 571507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves us with only one option
< 1332161912 102902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page.
< 1332162081 70715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you _still_ make me more prominent than the unmentioned language author.  also i'd have expected something more famous as the first language.  otoh /// may be the most interesting language _not_ yet featured anywhere outside esolang.  hm.
< 1332162116 202322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean we're meant to reward the creators for being featured?
< 1332162119 697777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense.
< 1332162138 879141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I picked /// by fiat, I rather suspect all future pickings will be by fiat because nobody will bother to propose
< 1332162141 775398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot tell if elliott is ironic or not

< 1332162152 912711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that note, please propose Deadfish as a candidate, it's for scientific reasons
< 1332162184 391132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mostly i could not see an obvious way to work [[User:ihope127]] into the blurb.
< 1332162185 900258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think deadfish should be featured some time, we should have _some_ joke languages on occasion.
< 1332162189 250190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it detracting from the interesting parts.
< 1332162236 303351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was planning to make the deadfish blurb go something like "Deadfish is the greatest programming language ever. It is really just the best. It can add, subtract, ''square'' '''and''' output integers! [...]"
< 1332162249 701700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most interactivest programming language!
< 1332162258 416999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway feel free to suggest a way to work ihope127 into the blurb.
< 1332162259 709660 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Problem exists between leopard and chair"
< 1332162453 922682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Invented by our [[user:ihope127]], its only operation [...]"
< 1332162474 120428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our" is tacky, but apart from that ok
< 1332162477 586942 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332162485 340922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332162486 381178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually by ok i mean i'll just reword it differently
< 1332162502 332059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hope i wasn't accidentally encouraging there.
< 1332162524 522620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, relax the User: policy to "user [[User:ihope127|ihope127]]"
< 1332162536 105877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HE PROPOSED RELAXING THE POLICY
< 1332162549 159931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for the featured language blurbs
< 1332162551 160720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: calm down!
< 1332162560 602510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE PROPOSED RELAXING THE POLICY
< 1332162563 636819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway credit added
< 1332162564 37702 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332162571 183814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, it should be [[Tanner L. Swett]]
< 1332162593 15666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he likes associating ihope with that name.
< 1332162648 128864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would actually be [[Ivan Hope Stupidromannumerals]]
< 1332162665 69451 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-198.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332162698 578828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you mean it isn't his real name?
< 1332162740 139952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, ivan hope? no.
< 1332162761 242086 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, i heard the word our in keeping up appearances
< 1332162796 270529 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our rose"
< 1332162829 574762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: i was planning to make the deadfish blurb go something like "Deadfish is the greatest [...] <-- well i guess next month _is_ April...
< 1332162917 306301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ^ you might want to comment on how you wish to be credited
< 1332162937 152750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um well it's being credited as [[User:ihope127]] unless an article miraculously materialises that's associated with ihope127.
< 1332162946 777176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and ah, this implies we're not doing the hectic 2-weeks thing.
< 1332162947 528715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests an FAC

< 1332162949 502416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1332162961 402615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /an/?
< 1332162963 672233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er, implies how?
< 1332162965 804776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, isn't the article about Graue at [[Catatonic Porpoise]]
< 1332162970 251204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you broke the rules!
< 1332162974 231763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1332162975 655441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "an" is correct if you don't expand the acronym
< 1332162977 559345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because you said month.
< 1332162978 650712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in what way?
< 1332162988 989842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, oops
< 1332162993 277283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correction, I wrote the rules wrong
< 1332162997 370945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... they're written now
< 1332163000 426373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1332163006 345990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we have new rules now, and you followed them correctly
< 1332163006 508016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so go fix them
< 1332163013 128559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not implied, it could also be just the first 2 weeks of April.
< 1332163014 191962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admit I'm wrong? never
< 1332163017 270426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right i just realised that :P
< 1332163025 503340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what did you intend to make a rule that you didn't?
< 1332163040 980058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to omit the signature... but I forget why
< 1332163049 91569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: otoh /// won't get a full 2 weeks even if we change on April 1
< 1332163051 754612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I later decided not to for reasons I later forgot
< 1332163056 376029 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-186.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332163068 682584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll probably leave /// up for a while. it might takes _days_ for someone to suggest deadfish.
< 1332163081 6466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1332163089 249979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, you did omit the signature; I went and edited the rules to require it when I made the suggestion >:)
< 1332163091 530276 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way to express silly stuff about featured languages might be a hall of fame of some kind, but it could get very large and all
< 1332163100 933684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick ais523, pls
< 1332163120 747289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least swat.
< 1332163125 553867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how else can someone quickly check that they haven't nominated a different language?
< 1332163132 327611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can delete the sigs before judging
< 1332163137 234337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they could just fake a signature!
< 1332163146 201878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw, no point deleting the sigs, this is a completely biased process in every way
< 1332163161 960488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't raelly matter
< 1332163163 504109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really
< 1332163197 425493 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-198.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332163220 54464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, since you weren't around for the discussion, I came up with this system so that (a) people didn't have to suggest things _regularly_ i.e. there's no point expiring something just because it was proposed and not chosen last $timespan,
< 1332163223 25015 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being stupid because I am visiting a peanut factory and I am allergic to peanuts. I just can't taste the immediate fruits of the experience without getting ill.
< 1332163248 898159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1332163255 758709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) so that the list can be cleaned when it accumulates too much gunk, rather than having bad languages sit there forever, without hurting anyone's feelings,
< 1332163263 463225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think it's worth having all the paradigm classics featured that aren't brainfuck
< 1332163267 693001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (c) to require the minimum amount of effort on the part of everyone
< 1332163284 566664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided we don't really need discussion of the candidates because I've never seen an esolang whose interestingness was actually /controversial/
< 1332163293 295552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, indeed
< 1332163306 375576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so all the discussion would be over things like whether the article is detailed enough
< 1332163317 133669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which admins are already really good at determining, because they're experienced with the wiki
< 1332163331 431810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> ah yes, i heard the word our in keeping up appearances <-- OK, I THINK THAT ARGUMENT NAILS IT
< 1332163355 435081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I agree that paradigm classics should be featured, but I also think devoting the first like 7 timespans to the classics would be a bad idea
< 1332163364 491417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be spread out, or it'll just get predictable early on
< 1332163377 364374 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phrases like "Isn't that our hyacinth?"
< 1332163405 881099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw the only reason /// is the first one is because i used the blurb as a test for the design, since it has the interesting hook of being minimal but TC and the detail of how the proof was constructed
< 1332163416 786102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also because I like it
< 1332163430 784114 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because of \\/\//
< 1332163534 153617 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry... i'm just gonna afk for a bit till i snap to my senses
< 1332163536 773310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan: perhaps we should feature [[Esme]] sometime.
< 1332163631 358437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> I'm being stupid because I am visiting a peanut factory [...] <-- couldn't even this be dangerous, if there's peanut dust in the air or something?
< 1332163733 660029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> also because of \\/\// <-- hey Qdeql also has that
< 1332163744 128259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is endeavouring to only respond to things itidus20 said today.
< 1332163752 507441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for maximum audience pleasure.
< 1332163765 101693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that precise program was the data region skipper in my converter
< 1332163840 502255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i agree with the spreading out, in fact it was implied by my rules list suggestion
< 1332163852 742267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmph, your unlambda resources do not have a unique url of their own :P
< 1332163869 725322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok so the page is practically all unlambda resources anyway.)
< 1332163870 229528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, they're in the same directory
< 1332163899 207000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find dates for Unlambda versions

< 1332163903 286139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Unlambda 3 ever materialise?
< 1332163908 981299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been pondering whether to rename index.html something else so people can actually see the rest of it
< 1332163968 702767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332163998 777968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/unlambda/ ;; okay, let's say unlambda is 1999.
< 1332164050 757224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has already suggested unlambda?  i was considering doing that.
< 1332164059 336565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais
< 1332164061 133929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'''Unlambda''', designed by [[David Madore]], is a minimal functional [[esoteric programming language]] based on [[combinatory logic]]. It is [[Turing-complete]] thanks to its built-in ''s'' and ''k'' combinators and the apply operator, ''`'' (backquote). Furthermore, some input/output functions are available. Unlambda is a functional [[Turing tarpit]].
< 1332164061 295742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda is essentially a version of combinatory logic. [...]"
< 1332164074 243672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this introduction is redundant, and repeats itself, a lot. it tends to say the same thing in different words
< 1332164130 963167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> ais523: oerjan: perhaps we should feature [[Esme]] sometime. <-- er....
< 1332164168 973458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> did Unlambda 3 ever materialise? <-- i don't think so.
< 1332164331 567058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332164384 274394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is the first functional tarpit, right?
< 1332164397 5809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1332164403 444929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even convinced it was intended as a tarpit
< 1332164416 833869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially given that it has several instructions that are clearly redundant, like i and v)
< 1332164426 254390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just intended as a functional language without lambda
< 1332164431 169808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a job which it succeeds at admirably
< 1332164440 551128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and c wasn't necessary in the first version, either
< 1332164468 219684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only become entangled when he added input
< 1332164525 380816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cleans http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unlambda up a bit

< 1332164544 935499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators section still needs organising, as does the meta-notation section
< 1332164590 434242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and I might add a section on programming in it (or rather, relambda)
< 1332164641 298405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE META-NOTATION
< 1332164650 405551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaves in a huff

< 1332164658 200455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nothing.
< 1332164664 297468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the meta-notation is fine. the wiki section is not.
< 1332164677 670551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start, it doesn't appear to have any idea what bulleted lists are for.
< 1332164685 908993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1332164788 370497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, the Pirate Bay are planning to start using tiny, airborne servers with radio transmitters to avoid raids.
< 1332164849 71396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for that fix, the process used to be on the featured languages page itsel
< 1332164849 485168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1332164856 112875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was too long and boring to go above the archive
< 1332164893 16348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the Pirate Bay decided that what they're doing is actually illegal yet? or are they just wondering why the police keep trying to shut them down?
< 1332164943 200839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's very hard to argue the TPB are doing anything illegal in a capacity other than their service being intended for piracy.
< 1332164949 776398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even host .torrent files any more
< 1332164967 306188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "We think that the investigation is interesting considering nothing that TPB does is illegal." --2012-03-09
< 1332164967 728565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's literally a search engine for plaintext descriptions combined with a hash
< 1332164972 224828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least then they hadn't.
< 1332164977 692576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's pretty recent
< 1332164993 690714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they "wonder" why the police are trying to shut them down.
< 1332165012 154483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, why is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Featured_languages empty? [[:///]] is in it
< 1332165013 916351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I don't think they're doing anything illegal either; and yet people are trying so hard to get rid of them
< 1332165016 994930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried purging both
< 1332165043 989878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the torrents they offer nowadays are DHT-based.
< 1332165050 745646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bizarre
< 1332165052 242214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't raid a distributed hash table.
< 1332165061 387313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the pirate bay is the only thing they /can/ try to shut down
< 1332165095 317587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it matters, the category is from a template
< 1332165096 682552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{featured}}
< 1332165102 716243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Featured&action=edit
< 1332165105 890974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that /might/ matter
< 1332165109 23233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you running the job queue?
< 1332165119 959791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know?
< 1332165127 59620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have to explicitly enable it if you want that stuff to be batch.
< 1332165146 135716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like complaining that the active user counter on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Statistics is still broken
< 1332165162 5375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally the job queue that's responsible for category updates via templates
< 1332165167 180114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run it manually?
< 1332165204 448576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it, anyway, by null-editing the page
< 1332165220 308390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1332165221 935312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just load the edit view, then click "save changes" without doing anything)
< 1332165242 572803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that regenerates the page in a stronger way than merely purging does)
< 1332165245 840814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I feel compelled to note that TPB actually using airborne servers is about as likely as them buying Sealand was.)
< 1332165389 993603 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft, "airborne servers".
< 1332165395 510783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://server-sky.com/ is the future.
< 1332165397 628574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why go halfway?
< 1332165432 997740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "The most likely practical showstopper is misunderstanding. Working together, we can fix the latter."
< 1332165441 764079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: This page is doing a great deal to turn me off its cause.
< 1332165460 511068 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-237-186.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332165463 193496 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure you're not misunderstanding it?
< 1332165554 53564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I'm sure. It's just irritating.
< 1332165559 739264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332165562 819951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kick shachaf.
< 1332165564 667708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Swat shachaf.
< 1332165581 844045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was quite a good joke…
< 1332165630 931019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's entertaining the first time.
< 1332165633 991682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he keeps being shachaf.
< 1332165656 415152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, you still haven't fixed the chronology on http://home.nvg.org/~oerjan/agora-horoscope/.
< 1332165672 717165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 4,507 registered users, but most of them are spambots." :P
< 1332165694 534192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean it being oppositely ordered to what you wish?
< 1332165721 226676 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-(
< 1332165741 922455 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
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< 1332165875 157909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's US date style.
< 1332165883 663680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 - 3 - 1
< 1332165889 638725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously 2 - 1.
< 1332165892 832045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 - 2 - 1 the obvious fix.
< 1332165930 118210 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 2 - 3
< 1332165961 597413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure, if you want the relevant updates to be at the bottom.
< 1332165986 32808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, don't actually fix it.
< 1332166048 191968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332166091 188543 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you going to swat me or not?
< 1332166102 538406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###

< 1332166137 957128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you going to kick shachaf or not?
< 1332166164 470229 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLARG3 Y0UR M0RTGAG3
< 1332166253 44650 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET RICH QUICK
< 1332166265 135688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mortgage is enlarging itself just fine
< 1332166271 283025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slowly, though
< 1332166310 865009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait it's not a mortgage without security
< 1332166314 212053 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to go the other way.
< 1332166343 463732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably do that when i make another payment.
< 1332166537 531183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought oerjan lived in a box.
< 1332166630 104318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough.
< 1332166664 160101 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y0U, T00, CAN ENLARG3 Y0UR MORTGAG3 WHIL3 L1V1NG 1N a B0X
< 1332166671 849440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's student loan, not box loan
< 1332166674 509501 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text "More featured languages..." doesn't exactly scream "if you click through here a couple of times, you can suggest a language"
< 1332166674 783094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332166679 531172 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332166679 796910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 54m 13s ago: check messages as Gregor
< 1332166685 381027 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1332166719 592659 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332166725 871854 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332166726 148011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 55m 24s ago: might want to fix this canary bug
< 1332166726 375140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 55m 5s ago: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-19#122213ais523
< 1332166726 537528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 54m 38s ago: check messages as GregorR
< 1332166748 465406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursion: see recurions
< 1332166750 538503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sion
< 1332166754 722959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor isn't gregorr
< 1332166777 642235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell GregorR check messages as RocketJSquirrel
< 1332166777 891148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332166781 332891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIXED THAT
< 1332166791 202897 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ehird Fine, I'll fix it when I get around to it.
< 1332166791 487900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332166796 747139 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott check messages as ehird
< 1332166797 31955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332166800 860117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now check your messages as GregorR.
< 1332166801 179387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332166808 147918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :ehird
< 1332166814 244296 :ehird!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1332166817 197073 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lilo It might actually be offensive for me to leave this message.
< 1332166817 502462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332166818 420638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332166818 721676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said 21s ago: check messages as ehird
< 1332166819 712872 :Gregor!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332166823 338543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332166825 844444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ahem
< 1332166830 373669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You did not yet check your messages as GregorR.
< 1332166839 424867 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1332166844 719679 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that message will fester there FOREVER.
< 1332166847 708873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I left you messages as GregorR.
< 1332166866 880264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you check them, please? I'm too lazy to re-send them.
< 1332166871 280249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them were in private, so you can't use the logs.
< 1332166987 236585 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fungot You are a gentleman and a scholar.
< 1332166987 520789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332166987 683071 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: wooh. you must've added your name in the same place
< 1332166987 901366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332166988 760126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them were of a very ... private ... nature.
< 1332167004 88966 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332167004 664350 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1332167004 826307 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332167013 341239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Recursion: See recurions. Recurions: Elementary particles that mediate the force of recursion, which see.
< 1332167046 659837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kick RocketJSquirrel if he doesn't check messages as GregorR.
< 1332167064 2118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cannot know if he has checked them
< 1332167074 596488 :GregorR!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332167075 946834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll let you know.
< 1332167077 120080 :GregorR!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332167077 401269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1332167079 447083 :GregorR!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332167084 645273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I consider that proof.
< 1332167090 7874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Follow the instruction in the messages.
< 1332167109 890725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PREFERABLY PUBLICLY.
< 1332167115 813707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My private messages must be viewable to all.
< 1332167166 769375 :Friendship!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332167171 578245 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott My Little Pony references are 20% cooler than recursive message-check requests.
< 1332167171 845139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167173 529823 :Friendship!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WHO I AM?
< 1332167182 22146 :Friendship!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1332167192 153907 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch.
< 1332167202 401688 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I killed friendship.
< 1332167206 611119 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought it would come to this.
< 1332167216 945996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not recursive. Honestly, you philistine.
< 1332167217 187634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332167247 423891 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure that's a lie.
< 1332167253 78141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:16: -!- ais523 has parted #esoteric ("before someone mentions Feather").
< 1332167253 240123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:26: <elliott> no, that's Feather
< 1332167253 240324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:55: -!- ais523 has joined #esoteric.
< 1332167255 465681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1332167309 713675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's not, actually.
< 1332167329 135931 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there was no outgoing vertex from RocketJSquirrel.
< 1332167335 785164 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just direct requests.
< 1332167357 105068 :ehird!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332167366 861408 :ehird!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell RocketJSquirrel check messages as RocketJSquirrel
< 1332167367 166719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167369 816316 :ehird!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332167385 539349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I like how you ruuuuined it by doing it privately.
< 1332167387 929012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asshole.
< 1332167390 487137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_
< 1332167394 535859 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*
< 1332167398 271695 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1332167399 895280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1332167422 395066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan_ DIE FUCKER
< 1332167422 636572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167428 488652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: elliott is complicated, isn't he?
< 1332167431 626461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom___Hoover I hate you.
< 1332167431 889010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167434 523539 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lament I lament your infrequent presence.
< 1332167434 808152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167443 772657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell RocketJSquirrel Don't fucking summon him.
< 1332167444 18620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167453 980381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie_ ETERNAL POX UPON YOdo you even use this format.
< 1332167454 221099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167460 947394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell glogbackup FUCK YOU
< 1332167461 214757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332167465 111819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1332167473 334884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :fizzie_
< 1332167476 76072 :fizzie_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1332167476 421314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1332167480 573052 :fizzie_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :Phantom___Hoover
< 1332167482 43796 :Phantom___Hoover!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1332167482 368149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1332167485 243131 :Phantom___Hoover!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :oerjan_
< 1332167486 866866 :oerjan_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1332167487 129156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1332167488 860331 :oerjan_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1332167522 560990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalm

< 1332167548 924668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1332167573 335813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope there were no real messages to any of them
< 1332167573 856637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't "DIE FUCKER" what you call an erotic tabletop RPG player? 
< 1332167585 122624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can hardly trust lambdabot.
< 1332167595 292275 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a lambdabot admin, by the way.
< 1332167601 813028 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can read any @tell message.
< 1332167602 863937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE FUCKER AUS HAMBURG
< 1332167605 343429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely
< 1332167623 388560 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot hi
< 1332167623 628507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;)
< 1332167627 466928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it when shachaf says things that sound really false but then they're actually not
< 1332167658 936321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessir! That false-sounding thing I said?
< 1332167662 352547 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not.
< 1332167670 520091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1332167672 646535 :Phantom_Hoover!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im patnom hover
< 1332167672 902389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1332167679 590136 :Phantom_Hoover!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1332167682 681471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all from me.
< 1332167690 712471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I just cleared them.
< 1332167698 137562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will then resend them when Phantom_Hoover is online.
< 1332167705 744116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan.
< 1332167711 761072 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Prove you're a lambdabot admin.
< 1332167713 386147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes end up as a "fizzie`" since that's what bip appends.
< 1332167716 33395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + shachaf
< 1332167717 314307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf
< 1332167723 998014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@flush
< 1332167733 24046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what admins can do.
< 1332167734 727136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just am one.
< 1332167741 800815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join
< 1332167742 87087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `system' failed with: Prelude.last: empty list
< 1332167746 956750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join #esoteric-proof
< 1332167753 978233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in there now.
< 1332167760 538093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott
< 1332167762 478723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - elliott
< 1332167767 23701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undo that.
< 1332167784 45870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott
< 1332167787 730329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + lambdabot
< 1332167787 979933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1332167816 543043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + ion
< 1332167817 617846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - ion
< 1332167823 85256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative ions, man.
< 1332167830 210473 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is why you shouldn't be a lambdabot admin.
< 1332167849 123887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compelling.
< 1332167861 879211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired.
< 1332167870 247391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + lambdabot FREE YOURSELF FROM THE BONDAGE
< 1332167870 615336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1332167875 952990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't, then.
< 1332167895 109630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. echo . echo . echo echo its ok
< 1332167895 358472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@. echo . echo . echo
< 1332167895 545580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo its ok"]} rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#
< 1332167895 709888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric\",\":@. echo . echo . echo echo its ok\"]} rest:\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott\\\"
< 1332167895 710138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :, msgCommand = \\\"PRIVMSG\\\", msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@. echo . echo . echo echo its ok\\\"]} rest:\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\"freenode\\\\\\\", msgLBName = \\\\\\\"
< 1332167895 710269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot\\\\\\\", msgPrefix = \\\\\\\"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott\\\\\\\", msgCommand = \\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\", msgParams = [\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\":@. echo . echo . echo echo
< 1332167897 360867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\"its ok\\\\\\\"\\\\n\\\"\\n\"\n"
< 1332167905 342692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you add ^. yet?
< 1332167915 595343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it should do.
< 1332167920 256693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^. foo ...
< 1332167922 637539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be
< 1332167927 168681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<user> ^...
< 1332167928 549865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> X
< 1332167928 894567 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( s42 repo up, btw) on teletypes. applications are free to smoke! x
< 1332167931 861678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<user> ^foo X
< 1332167933 426583 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion++ # from that one country with a cross on its flag
< 1332167933 887614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> Y
< 1332167934 104793 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: another disadvantage of scheme: do not quine
< 1332167935 199711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1332167938 756531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<user> ^. foo ...
< 1332167940 10887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> Y
< 1332167940 293461 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ m-expression as opposed to
< 1332167941 624067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Composition.
< 1332167943 966093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like lambdabot's @.
< 1332167949 985113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So e.g.
< 1332167954 8053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble blah
< 1332167954 169748 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahl
< 1332167956 69759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow bahl
< 1332167956 231942 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2b3a4h5l
< 1332167961 754831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh.
< 1332167962 667845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^. rainbow scramble blah
< 1332167963 797834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> the same.
< 1332167968 763718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unspam
< 1332167969 37227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332168021 818830 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listopher robin
< 1332168022 63170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332168028 346944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think you are confused about scheme
< 1332168028 541131 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i have to take a look
< 1332168033 72349 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m too scared to try a really long @@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo line, but i’d be entertained by seeing one happen.
< 1332168078 2737 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore ion
< 1332168078 307956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1332168078 925363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo line
< 1332168080 648776 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore + ion
< 1332168086 42742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf
< 1332168087 827137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore - ion
< 1332168089 282073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop that.
< 1332168094 450224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: thread killed
< 1332168094 612720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1332168097 939837 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1332168099 711714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now you see!
< 1332168110 31727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo line
< 1332168110 462760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D I *was* entertained.
< 1332168120 32846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE ENTERTAINMENT IS ON ITS WAY.
< 1332168133 931410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will look the same.
< 1332168139 442842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1332168140 97055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332168142 3956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: thread killed
< 1332168142 195299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332168144 292577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332168163 510234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command was just decomposing
< 1332168164 608227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's how you get banned from #esoteric:
< 1332168170 784799 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332168172 412813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
< 1332168173 759013 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… The composition of @echos isn’t O(n). :-P
< 1332168177 630645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z t28 t29 t30 t31 t32 t33 t34 t35 t36 t37 t38 t39 t40 t41 t42 t43 t44 t45 t46 t47 t48 t49 t50 t51 t52 t53 t54 t55 t56 t57 t58 t59 t60 t61 t62
< 1332168177 812634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t63 t64 t65 t66 t67 t68 t69 t70 t71 t72 t73 t74 t75 t76 t77 t78 t79 t80 t81 t82 t83 t84 t85 t86 t87 t88 t89 t90 t91 t92 t93 t94 t95 t96 t97 t98 t99 t100 t101 t102 t103 t104 t105 t106 t107 t108 t109
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< 1332168179 635189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[34 @more lines]
< 1332168181 873859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
< 1332168182 35609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
< 1332168182 197549 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
< 1332168182 359823 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PART #esoteric :"["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]"
> 1332168182 668299 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332168182 993236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
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< 1332168191 30361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z t28 t29 t30 t31 t32 t33 t34 t35 t36 t37 t38 t39 t40 t41 t42 t43 t44 t45 t46 t47 t48 t49 t50 t51 t52 t53 t54 t55 t56 t57 t58 t59 t60 t61 t62
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< 1332168193 631316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[35 @more lines]
< 1332168194 736551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
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< 1332168195 942496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
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< 1332168199 388764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
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< 1332168205 395470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168205 635621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[30 @more lines]
< 1332168207 401813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168207 683791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t422 t423 t424 t425 t426 t427 t428 t429 t430 t431 t432 t433. a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h -> i -> j -> k -> l -> m -> n -> o -> p -> q -> r -> s -> t -> u -> v -> w -> x -> y -> z -> t28 ->
< 1332168209 406109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168209 638359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t29 -> t30 -> t31 -> t32 -> t33 -> t34 -> t35 -> t36 -> t37 -> t38 -> t39 -> t40 -> t41 -> t42 -> t43 -> t44 -> t45 -> t46 -> t47 -> t48 -> t49 -> t50 -> t51 -> t52 -> t53 -> t54 -> t55 -> t56 ->
< 1332168211 409234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168211 680966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `more' failed with: thread killed
< 1332168213 408736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168215 410405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168217 434684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168218 586425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric elliott :elliott
< 1332168223 424372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332168225 435362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1332168227 275308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAAAAAAAAN
< 1332168229 432794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't a ban.
< 1332168230 845481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*elliott@unaffiliated/elliott
> 1332168230 868573 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332168231 7533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric elliott :elliott
< 1332168265 689209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*elliott@unaffiliated/elliott
> 1332168265 712329 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332168269 411848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332168285 406958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a rubbish ban. I barely even got to experience it.
< 1332168299 727881 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. What does it take to get *properly* banned from #esoteric?
< 1332168304 815348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to redirect oerjan's page to Esme.
< 1332168318 831640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESME
< 1332168339 188048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have to be not generally known to be trollish, and not be actively disrupting any ongoing conversation.
< 1332168348 578240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gets you the real solid bans, IME.
< 1332168358 948655 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: @swat elliott
< 1332168366 186449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@swat elliott 
< 1332168366 504993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: slap what
< 1332168369 228095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't live up to one of those it's very, very difficult to get banned.
< 1332168376 736771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1332168376 759563 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1332168379 583759 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick me
< 1332168383 720187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even, I don't know, spam the channel with "3" for five minutes while people are talking.
< 1332168386 994268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd never get banned.
< 1332168392 636049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that right, oerjan?
< 1332168407 672777 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«"3" for five»
< 1332168409 84724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it.
< 1332168416 733632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the joke is that that actually happened.
< 1332168422 378917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get it. :(
< 1332168434 613225 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't get it, but actually I do get it?
< 1332168444 903452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's impossible. Only I get it.
< 1332168464 58234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true for all your jokes.
< 1332168469 671228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332168472 308946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes not even I get it.
< 1332168475 228176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to get banned: (1) be elliott 
< 1332168486 868614 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't seem to have worked for the last 5 years.
< 1332168494 275516 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should invite conal in here.
< 1332168509 738081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott has been banned.  not for very _long_, but...
< 1332168529 338591 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This place is so un-denotative conal couldn't stand it.
< 1332168539 340481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Longer than some other people.
< 1332168547 106910 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me!
< 1332168549 526075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more frequently, too.
< 1332168552 747255 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is secretly elliott.

< 1332168553 379946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get banned: 0. Be a regular channel user for years. 1. Gain operators’ trust. 2. Get ops. 3. Ban yourself.
< 1332168569 191628 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me!
< 1332168573 647528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Op me so I can ban shachaf.
< 1332168575 899696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ion if he wants it.
< 1332168601 715095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't, you are going against the will of the people.
< 1332168622 491478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the use of ops if you don't go against the will of the peple
< 1332168623 911476 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the peephole
< 1332168639 306072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh, I'll ban someone else after that too.
< 1332168643 288354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will choose who to ban... at RANDOM.
< 1332168645 921508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ban will last for 30 seconds.
< 1332168655 909561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard procedure.
< 1332168658 660158 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan: Ban me!
< 1332168665 852501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. Do it.
< 1332168677 255297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least kick me. :-(
< 1332168684 262468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, I'll go against the will of shachaf.
< 1332168687 135984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't be oerjan when I ban him.
< 1332168688 395272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be me.
< 1332168696 934625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He will be dissatisfied, yet justice will be served.
< 1332168707 7670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that ban will only last for 30 seconds too.
< 1332168727 565729 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justive is served at 10:00 daily.
< 1332168736 744687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious justive.
< 1332168757 946496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a busy schedule.
< 1332168801 547771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ban oerjan.
< 1332168830 816568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me!
< 1332168834 490066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going about as expected.
< 1332168862 887806 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm expecting you to ban me.
< 1332168873 299284 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Look, I don't want to spam the channel.
< 1332168874 913117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Op me then ban me.
< 1332168885 277852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll ban shachaf, and kick myself.
< 1332168893 42855 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you just pretend I did and ban me?
< 1332168896 516631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my hands tied.
< 1332168899 727594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my nose underwter.
< 1332168903 386225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*underwater
< 1332168930 551510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the '*' represent your nose?
< 1332168933 377583 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*underwater
< 1332168938 557370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1332168950 769005 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks more like another hole.
< 1332168978 9090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Op me.
< 1332168983 88505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, you've done it before.
< 1332168990 975940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never overstepped my kickban boundaries!
< 1332169249 706311 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEBD96.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332169309 528364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban oerjan.
< 1332169682 282692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you realize episodes like this is why we're afraid of ever making you a real op, right?
< 1332169727 715539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/we're/i am/
< 1332169729 501295 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1332169799 559171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPISODES.
< 1332169801 784008 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332169826 373669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ban oerjan and then op asiekierka and rename aloril to comex.
< 1332169838 212936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPISODE II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
< 1332169866 817880 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me!
< 1332169900 312225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I'd known wasting time on IRC by repeating snowclones constantly is the way to avoid becoming an op...
< 1332169922 869242 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could become an op easily.
< 1332169937 961983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a vacuum of ops in other channels on Freenode.
< 1332169941 841904 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to one of those.
< 1332170095 477065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the vacuum is because they all suck!
< 1332170175 767820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans

< 1332170195 706525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you mind swatting yourself for that?
< 1332170219 245475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest he bans himself for it instead.
< 1332170221 503923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more festive.
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< 1332170573 927809 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wait what
< 1332170755 116403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/23 this external resource formatting sucks :(
< 1332172229 318138 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1332172239 619191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to work apparently = back to Gregor.
< 1332172326 312046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel
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< 1332174568 895179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, udacity class is all in Python
< 1332174577 893306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only unit 4 and i already hate Python
< 1332174601 550181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to hear people say "it's a great learning language!"
< 1332174612 558716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit. i'd rather use javascript than python
< 1332174732 547606 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that but he also writes code like it’s C.
< 1332174739 204089 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended: inhaling a droplet of listerine.
< 1332174870 395456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ion: are you in the same class somehow?
< 1332174893 526977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is likely
< 1332174896 812110 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some probability since they have two classes that have been running for about four weeks.
< 1332174902 613104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs373?
< 1332174904 672551 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332174910 206773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes :)
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< 1332175002 428727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm Brendan Eich, welcome to my homepage. I'm the inventor of JavaScript. http://web.archive.org/web/19990128210124/http://people.netscape.com/brendan/
< 1332175017 728925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first three units were quite alright, since i'd never studied filters before, but this one was just annoying. i can't believe he calls this algorithm "dynamic programming". its an insult to the concept of dynamic programming.
< 1332175857 738228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good homepage
< 1332175896 533794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1332175896 967791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
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< 1332186607 817159 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is pretty cool
< 1332186634 878907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps more for what it does than how it does it?
< 1332187161 657065 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love trying to be creative on the application/domain level.. for me learning math is about learning how to relate things happening on an application/domain level to whatever is contained in math books
< 1332187177 813426 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as time goes by i find there is always relevance.. but seeing the relevance can be difficult
< 1332187218 509662 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i am not at the stage where i can see alice in wonderland as an application of math, but thats where i think i want to be
< 1332187318 762628 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario is jumping? no mario is translating positively then negatively along the x axis
< 1332187362 775616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that web page is awesome, but I can't tell if it's supposed to be ironic
< 1332187382 929403 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi
< 1332187388 143423 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameover? no..  lives <= 0
< 1332187401 285771 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It is a joke.
< 1332187462 281083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I just decided that that makes it less awesome
< 1332187500 170828 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe you miss the pre-flash pre-mysql web
< 1332187593 888178 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: …but it is still from 1999.
< 1332187617 421172 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332187641 562388 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss that stage of the web
< 1332187717 284420 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when uh... it was all about people trying to get their html website on a top 100 list.. and when webrings were popular.. cjb.net... geocities.com .. 
< 1332187770 954366 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded midi files
< 1332187831 768833 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats technically all still possible
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< 1332188066 297910 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wiki... Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript, commented that "ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease."
< 1332188149 532597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACNEScript, web scripting for proper nerds
< 1332188164 338475 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-J .. this.. can't be a good thing
< 1332188388 995885 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe it can what do i know? nothing
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< 1332188955 235853 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1332188957 193277 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332188987 402580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening
< 1332189059 574642 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed your Bag language page one day cycleing through Random links
< 1332189066 629130 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever finished a spec?
< 1332189076 580244 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 10 years ago it seems?
< 1332189111 109928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not more finished than what you see, i think.
< 1332189121 495454 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1332189123 836323 :shadwick!80bdc6ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.198.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious
< 1332189151 590154 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tsk tsk*
< 1332189151 873710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1332189152 572770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the syntax is finished?  so you can at least write fractran-equivalent programs in it.
< 1332189153 70476 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For shame.
< 1332189176 416446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ideas for how to do I/O aren't
< 1332189230 332342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i think about implementing it, i tend to get stuck in my clever idea on how to factorize actual numbers enough to turn them into the identifier format.
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< 1332191852 934842 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1332191860 26571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :privit
< 1332191879 356428 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1332191884 485938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuilde
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< 1332194358 335966 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1332194363 363953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tseafsideriect
< 1332194377 131196 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1332194382 902272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostit
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< 1332195128 942420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am starting to want wordpress to die in a fire for their horrible commenting system
< 1332195138 849056 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332195290 456893 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is this just another reason for you wanting WP to diaf, or is this a new wanting?
< 1332195333 755051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both, since my previous reason was _also_ related to their commenting system
< 1332195395 448861 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1332195412 262811 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think qdb said it best
< 1332195417 722135 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<azonenberg> wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog
< 1332195439 176436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332195660 329981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that isn't particularly visible for commenters, though.  while the lack of preview is.
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< 1332200242 362396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my compiler can now compile quote, cons, ints and symbols
< 1332200433 61101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's a bit boring... it looks just like normal metaprogramming: types come in, *code* comes out, yuck)
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< 1332200710 681828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never a miscommunication
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< 1332204314 903201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is SURPRISINGLY the WEIRDEST CHEESE you will ANNOTATE all RAMADAN: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1332209297 656838 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, there was a muffin if you didn't see it
< 1332209459 813786 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any muffings!
< 1332209464 44352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g//
< 1332209473 257192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g//g
< 1332209544 530843 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The muffin exists if and only if tswett didn't see it
< 1332210883 479544 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks.

< 1332210890 36189 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, there is a muffin.
< 1332210893 979983 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, sure enough, I didn't see it before.
< 1332211571 795927 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, a second muffin.
< 1332211735 991142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, why are you not in the other channel?
< 1332211761 313698 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to leave after... Pbhead, I think it was, threw a fit.
< 1332211795 425685 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1332211797 767398 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said stuff like, "Well, this is my channel, and I really can't handle the stuff that goes on in it sometimes."
< 1332213117 104870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1332213341 370150 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah.  I'd be happy to see you on Rizon again, if that's your thing at all.
< 1332213608 471729 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely remember that network
< 1332213782 945313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332214309 709102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be permitted to suggest your own languages as long as it is not done twice in a row. I also think it should be forbidden to suggest anything if there is no article in the main namespace for it.
< 1332214327 645578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But even if these changes are implemented, I still have no suggestions corrently.)
< 1332214400 135401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do have one more suggestion: That when the list is blanked or something is used, it is commented out with a note saying whether it is used or unused. After it is blanked a second time, all the old comments would be removed.
< 1332214428 460409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, perhaps ones which become used should be strike out instead of commented out)
< 1332215037 592469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in school there was an assignment to make a PCB from a certain schematic diagram, which was given to all of the students. So I did it, and it didn't work. I eventually found out, it was because the schematic diagram was wrong.
< 1332217305 722960 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you logread this, the instructions on the Worms2d wiki for Worms under WINE seem to be somewhat up-to-date.
< 1332217311 795705 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/Installing_WA_on_Linux
< 1332217492 395280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN HEAR THE MUSIC BUT CAN'T SEE ANYTHING
< 1332217497 509476 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should upgrade WINE
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< 1332217566 189242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spring equinox will occur in less than one hour from now.
< 1332217596 341933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the pollen count says spring sprang several days ago
< 1332217616 494413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Perhaps; but the equinox is something different.
< 1332217680 13896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which is more useful? "spring begins in the northern hemisphere at this point in earth's orbit" or "spring begins when the plants start having sex and everyone starts sneezing"
< 1332217742 319605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It probably depends what you are doing, what makes what to be more useful! Chinese seasons says the equinox is in the middle of spring instead of start of spring.
< 1332217835 838575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chinese way makes more sense
< 1332217840 78233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equinox is the intersection of ecliptic with equator
< 1332217846 893487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes I agree with that.
< 1332218011 553048 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it)
< 1332218123 738200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Chinese start of spring is at 315 degrees (15 Aquarius), while the spring equinox is at 0 degrees (0 Aries) by the definition of the 0 longitude. But this is only the north hemisphere; for south hemisphere, the Chinese start of spring is 135 degrees (15 Leo), instead. But nevertheless, the equinox occurs soon
< 1332218165 503055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then the spring equinox for south hemisphere would be 180 degrees (0 Libra), obviously.)
< 1332218290 209997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332218292 3543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think the average Earth denizen cares about with respect to the question "is it spring yet?"
< 1332218296 579068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:36:42: <ion> Hi, I'm Brendan Eich, welcome to my homepage. I'm the inventor of JavaScript. http://web.archive.org/web/19990128210124/http://people.netscape.com/brendan/
< 1332218303 162267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the unaware, Eich did not create that.
< 1332218315 740983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: duh. it's not like we are blind to satire
< 1332218348 989954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know, but they did mention it on the news today.
< 1332218384 265807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "i" "wow" is not the reaction of someone recognising it as a joke.
< 1332218506 772561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, some are better at analysis than others i suppose
< 1332218628 503916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I worked for a newspaper I would insist the horoscope section of the newspaper to include the exact dates and times as well as a disclaimer.
< 1332218709 382345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what job would you do if you worked for a newspaper?
< 1332218761 351188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know because I don't work for a newspaper.
< 1332218771 355213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I also don't intend to work for a newspaper)
< 1332218858 38883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: who else supported?
< 1332218937 280922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read logs?
< 1332218947 528541 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly, logs shortly before you entered
< 1332219109 513497 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik
< 1332219261 454484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:31: <Sgeo> elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it)
< 1332219266 652133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guide is really out of date, I believe.
< 1332219329 383313 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me, so
< 1332219456 918303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was updated.
< 1332219501 655572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just tells me to do what I did.
< 1332219509 153631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wine version?
< 1332219523 870215 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 is what I'm using now
< 1332219548 531124 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I had 1.3.28 before and did the regedit instructions before trying to upgrade WINE, so
< 1332219612 137300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 here.
< 1332219696 291248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How big is the ISO?
< 1332219736 249702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~575.4MB
< 1332219757 914655 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332219776 200189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone has Google +1'd http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tag_system.
< 1332219796 862120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay, link me I s'pose.
< 1332220851 996172 :int_argc!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye
< 1332221188 772444 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MatressDude
< 1332221480 548442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recorded my latest D&D game session. In addition, I have made some corrections and improvements to the "dungeonsrecording.tex" file too.
< 1332221583 313656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
< 1332221637 528602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i flinched
< 1332221653 186927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is there contents of the block or only heading?
< 1332221653 584461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your powers for good not evil kmc
< 1332222009 224760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a heading
< 1332222116 325596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all inside the geek code now
< 1332222123 645662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----END GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
< 1332222686 625767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I have done a few more things on TeXnicard today.
< 1332223227 306426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have anything to send to TeXnicard extra repository, you tell me I will add you.
< 1332223977 533126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unable to find a geek code in the text you gave me" oh no it is not a valid code :(
< 1332224238 151482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'(
< 1332224270 917802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up a new geek code where it is a valid code.
< 1332224428 827684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a geek code? Now? In 2012? What a weird idea.
< 1332224468 484134 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332224517 95508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with me that they ought to use the exact date and times and disclaimers?
< 1332224517 868248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it webscale.
< 1332224523 30989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I woke up at 3:45. :(
< 1332224635 728488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps shachaf cursed me.
< 1332224648 530557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hielliott
< 1332224659 52856 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you cursed yourself!
< 1332224665 423571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being useless.
< 1332224704 532518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ended up sleep ~10:00-13:00.
< 1332224710 18089 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was ~08:00-
< 1332224751 389990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired.
< 1332224876 303541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ban Jafet and op fizzie and become a turtle.
< 1332224907 821368 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You are now an op. Ban Jafet and turn me into a turtle.
< 1332224922 135005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG ORDER
< 1332224961 523484 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY AN ORDERING
< 1332224984 567642 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the one you specified, I guess.
< 1332224989 350899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't count.
< 1332225048 577738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Be banned. shachaf: Turtlify. (Bam, delegated.)
< 1332225071 13610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Op me so I can ban Jafet and turn shachaf into a turtle and op you.
< 1332225090 544872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WRONG ORDER
< 1332225096 740380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the order!
< 1332225109 399916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I only ever ban Jafet for 3 years at the longest.
< 1332226201 235672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was Pluto declared to be not a true planet? Even before 1989 someone believed that it would happen one day.
< 1332226240 17862 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pluto didn't even exist before 1930.
< 1332226273 643590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006
< 1332226362 61048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they first defined "planet" in a vaguely formal sense.
< 1332226384 670327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, mind you, even now it's a purely arbitrary term for a subset of the orbiting bodies of a star)
< 1332226488 323555 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When are you going to fix client your to autojoin channels?
< 1332226595 603784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like joining #haskell.
< 1332226691 912192 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O the BZFlag List Server is written in PHP
< 1332226819 552802 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is PHP Turing-complete?
< 1332226987 961359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP: "Pretty Hopeless Privacy"? (By way of analogy with PGP.)
< 1332227023 109294 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because PHP is defined purely by the php program, which is written in C, which is not TC.
< 1332227079 248495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332227088 237448 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1332227156 804366 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332227390 188694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't accept the usual "there is no standard-imposed upper limit for the size of a file" argument? 
< 1332227444 293448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usual".
< 1332227450 782082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has that argument ever been made outside of this channel?
< 1332227462 866375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? 
< 1332227483 108963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the topic was discussed on some other channel I'm in.
< 1332227510 655742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: off_t screws that up.
< 1332227512 80090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1332227521 988627 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But there isn't!
< 1332227529 129848 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation can return any error from ftell()
< 1332227550 195605 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some implementations return EOVERFLOW when the position doesn't fit in 64 bits.
< 1332227583 898350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I doubt php is written in a way that uses files in order to achieve Turing-completeness.
< 1332227589 790734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, but EOVERFLOW can be returned.
< 1332227597 90272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1332227610 908620 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it is possible for the Deathstation 9000 to be Turing complete.
< 1332227612 914537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you sure?
< 1332227617 362070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure PHP exposes a file API.
< 1332227618 606054 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure about what?
< 1332227625 589770 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PHP probably fucks it up.
< 1332227625 751804 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332227632 661965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a fseek that probably maps very directly to libc fseek.
< 1332227644 605444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's PHP.
< 1332227652 435768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably maps to a Javascript VM.
< 1332227663 62434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "off_t" is not a standard C term. (ftell returns a long int, and fgetpos a fpos_t.)
< 1332227694 632190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, however, a POSIX term.
< 1332227717 901474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicion POSIX thwarts the file method in some manner.
< 1332227729 47224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe C is not Turing-complete but POSIX is.
< 1332227731 260957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a rather more gigantic set of requirements, after all.
< 1332227734 200761 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On some non-UNIX systems an fpos_t object may be a complex object"
< 1332227740 910320 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as a reference to a file!
< 1332227762 505844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really; it doesn't detail too many file system requirements...
< 1332227805 723119 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, POSIX specifies EOVERFLOW.
< 1332227811 719063 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is about C, not POSIX.
< 1332227831 409281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-POSIX C is either a tarpit or Windows. :)
< 1332227994 93461 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"either"
< 1332228034 898683 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yeah, ftell can EOVERFLOW, implying that there is no defined bound for file sizes.
< 1332228074 218914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can trivially map a tape onto a file and it'll just work on an implementation without bound files.
< 1332228106 759875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "trivially". Mapping > to fseek is probably pretty annoying. :)
< 1332228140 831684 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention any cell modification doing ungetc.
< 1332228160 517458 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that annoying?
< 1332228168 503193 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do you need ungetc?
< 1332228183 987926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or another fseek..
< 1332228197 956177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading from the FILE* moves where you're reading from.
< 1332228221 135273 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, sure. Just do another seek.
< 1332228257 912850 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the behavior of read(1); ungetc(); seek(+1); etc., anyway?
< 1332228274 95199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seek discards all ungetc'd characters from the stream.
< 1332228284 292121 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read(1)? Undefined. fread(1)? Beats me, actually.
< 1332228295 668834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that spec, or common implementations?
< 1332228299 311840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spec.
< 1332228302 85530 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant fread
< 1332228304 376496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A
< 1332228304 538294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :successful intervening call (with the stream pointed to by stream) to a file positioning function (fseek, fsetpos, or rewind) discards any pushed-back characters for the
< 1332228307 879368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream. The external storage corresponding to the stream is unchanged.
< 1332228324 593380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fread(1) would rather obviously return the pushed-back character.
< 1332228326 776880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So, you don't want to ungetc.
< 1332228329 314836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes. Just seek.
< 1332228391 470383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a read-write stream, successive reads are guaranteed to include previous writes, right?
< 1332228416 628642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stream.
< 1332228417 851875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean file.
< 1332228419 387364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle.
< 1332228434 846985 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean write("x"); fseek(-1); fread(1)?
< 1332228454 155554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *you* mean fwrite.
< 1332228461 234478 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses.
< 1332228465 974571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apart from the fwrite thing.
< 1332228470 122311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered to put the 'f' in front of the other two!
< 1332228479 413064 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably other processes can have the file open?
< 1332228492 344468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't really know how read-write file handles work at all.
< 1332228502 881852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my point is that it sounds like it should be fairly easy to implement a BF tape with this.
< 1332228509 549867 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1332228582 346462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has a very funnily stated bit related to writes and reads in different processes.
< 1332228590 900306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writes can be serialized with respect to other reads and writes. If a read() of file data can be proven (by any means) to occur after a write() of the data, it must reflect that write(), even if the calls are made by different processes."
< 1332228607 108616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I quoted this earlier, since the "proven (by any means)" sounds funny.
< 1332228630 209728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proven beyond reasonable doubt by a polygraph test.
< 1332228642 836143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if you can encode $unsolved_problem with a special arrangement of processes.
< 1332228662 47843 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthread says what? ;)
< 1332228684 309826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D
< 1332228699 236314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot :: D
< 1332228720 505067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::eliott D:
< 1332228741 539929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "el D" elliott.
< 1332228818 384740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSIST THE EXPLODING HOUSE
< 1332228860 160279 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot "eliot" eliott
< 1332230164 776309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, when did I say that previous line?
< 1332230170 492155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember typing it.
< 1332230319 333055 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait, when did I say that previous line? I honestly don't remember typing it." -- elliot "eliot" eliott
< 1332230720 69936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332230759 109612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332230771 947226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332230787 688934 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ais523
< 1332230796 170022 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332230910 778027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unwelcome ais523
< 1332230914 46215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unwelcome: not found
< 1332230946 458636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your not welcome in here, ais523" -- elliott "hi" elliott
< 1332230986 695836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ban me from this channel!
< 1332231610 621635 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332232066 389189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buildings
< 1332232334 845779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try buildings origami free trial
< 1332233620 302342 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@180.194.225.159 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332233628 701609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome SimonRC
< 1332233629 868698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1332233631 849488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome simpleirc
< 1332233632 11112 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332233635 514571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpleirc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332233731 807540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ais523: fizzie: pikhq_: ping
< 1332233734 471770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does esolangs.org load for you?
< 1332233772 856674 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@180.194.225.159 PART :#esoteric
< 1332233781 294512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking
< 1332233785 363242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332233788 977462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can ssh in but not http
< 1332233790 384460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1332233795 576061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait
< 1332233796 345442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://li278-81.members.linode.com/ works
< 1332233809 111061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it has loaded
< 1332233811 596683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty slowly
< 1332233817 634056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping solidity
< 1332233817 795847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING solidity (178.79.159.81) 56(84) bytes of data.
< 1332233818 19922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping esolangs.org
< 1332233818 181555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping: unknown host esolangs.org
< 1332233820 601506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck?
< 1332233823 891953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's working now
< 1332233828 33098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here
< 1332233845 406092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it was some sort of DNS glitch
< 1332233847 210842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION digs it to see where it's resolving

< 1332233853 530899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ dig @ns1.afraid.org esolangs.org
< 1332233853 692662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.
< 1332233853 692889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Connection to 2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2#53(2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2) for esolangs.org failed: network unreachable.
< 1332233856 251045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an afraid.org outage
< 1332233864 707940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a couple of other servers
< 1332233869 750236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS servers, that is
< 1332233874 372197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig @8.8.8.8, dig @4.2.2.1
< 1332233889 991978 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is down
< 1332233900 124147 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to incompetent management.
< 1332233923 213468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.8.8.8 (Google), gave me the right answer straight away, 4.2.2.1 (Level3) took a while then returned no IP
< 1332233937 957254 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, esolangs.org is back up.
< 1332233948 949575 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in a while even incompetent management gets it right.
< 1332233958 976126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Level3> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 7188
< 1332233987 171827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative hostname: solidity.slbkbs.org
< 1332233994 166082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, back up here
< 1332234010 575663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That won't send the right Host header.
< 1332234019 757493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It will if you tell it to!
< 1332234039 487367 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, if it sent the same Host header, it would hardly be an alternative Host name, would it?!
< 1332234063 698424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, if I owned esolangs.org...
< 1332234069 791515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then it wouldn't have just stopped loading again.
< 1332234079 116349 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFM
< 1332234093 651176 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LFM" doesn't stand for "Loads For Me", by the way.
< 1332234098 65652 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it does.
< 1332234104 464856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it loads.
< 1332234167 30660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIL (now it loads)
< 1332234222 165283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIL (end of the list)
< 1332234377 623576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what "slbkbs" means.

< 1332234419 376775 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for slbkbs "slbkbs" slbkbs
< 1332234430 85609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, C++ has the same limitations as C when it comes to being TC... a bit funny since templates are obviously turing-complete
< 1332234516 376319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has rather stricter rules on pointers than C does
< 1332234525 662720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not offhand sure whether it lets you cast anything into a void* or not
< 1332234552 108106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is the worst thing about esolangs.org
< 1332234567 930527 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The management is the worst thing about esolangs.org
< 1332234642 54340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1332234748 522408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't let you cast "anything" either, so there.
< 1332234795 469041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp needs to support <> for macro expansion.
< 1332234804 233450 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define foo<arg> bar
< 1332234811 523738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly C++ adds new classes of non-void*-able things.
< 1332234812 851892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why?
< 1332234832 439924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Because it would make it worse.
< 1332234848 434248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you could call those "pretendplates".
< 1332234849 496710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo<bar,baz>) is two macro arguments, for instance
< 1332234872 710912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: CPP macros and templates are already horrible by themselves. You need a new word for the synthesis of the two.
< 1332234889 436293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :variadic macros can work part-way around that though
< 1332234903 236542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The new word would be "awesome". (Two wrongs make a right.)
< 1332234915 921888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem
< 1332234945 684993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the <> syntax for C++ templates
< 1332234954 293266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <olsner> combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo<bar,baz>) is two macro arguments, for instance  <olsner> variadic macros can work part-way around that though  <olsner> the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem
< 1332234957 289716 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825) <olsner> combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo<bar,baz>) is two macro arguments, for instance  <olsner> variadic macros can work part-way around that though  <olsner> the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem
< 1332234963 834733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, don't be dissin' templates!
< 1332234981 238405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates
< 1332234987 62883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have earned the right to diss templates for my work.
< 1332235018 865399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could do... #define foo(...) foo<__VA_ARGS__> for every template
< 1332235022 48607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not consider CPP macros to be horrible; I don't know much about C++ templates but I don't think those are very horrible either but I do think that the < > as delimiters for C++ templates is not the good idea
< 1332235053 258846 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you do that, you have to treat Haskell's type sysem the same way.
< 1332235061 72696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name(__VA_ARGS__)
< 1332235062 921013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is the good idea?
< 1332235071 904523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, the right, not the obligation.
< 1332235073 70353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: er
< 1332235080 122736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name##<__VA_ARGS__>
< 1332235081 223776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1332235091 936579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, something
< 1332235112 183662 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the good idea would be to use () delimiters like the other delimiters in C do (since < > are used for operators instead)
< 1332235123 721840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you'd want to do both, so that you have a shorter shorthand for most templates
< 1332235297 552665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I read as "A Nude Entrepreneurship Course" in the INBOX turned out to be the far less interesting "A Nudge to Entrepreneurship -course".
< 1332235309 208324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: calling a function template and constructing a template class needs both a template parameter list and a parameter list ... templatefunc<T>(1,2,3) and templatestruct<T>(1,2,3)
< 1332235414 137916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think both parameter lists should be using () instead of having <> and ()
< 1332235555 472142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a ephemeris function that you input the date/time and the object number, and the output is three set of XYZ coordinates, for the center, north pole, and zero longitude reference. Does this seem sufficient to do all the other calculation from that?
< 1332235682 809378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: holy crap, the categories list at the bottom of MediaWiki pages is in source order
< 1332235689 679539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assumed it'd sort them...
< 1332235704 938575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more flexible this way, you can order them by hand
< 1332235717 946932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's an AWB plugin for sorting them, and a huge row about whether people should use it or not
< 1332235721 368535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is that flexibility useful?
< 1332235729 327733 :Tiktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Sleeptalik
< 1332235730 444831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are missing the point of MediaWiki!
< 1332235742 999156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332235756 147395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's used to put [[Category:Living people]] first, though
< 1332235787 124412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, that should be done by allowing you to establish relations between _categories_
< 1332235795 609591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess this is simpler, code-wise, for that use-case
< 1332235808 176508 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332235812 885636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just write a bot to reorder categories how I like them at the same time I write a bot to check for dead links
< 1332235826 386365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that not only can you, in an article, choose where the category goes in the list of categories on the article, but also where the article goes in the list of articles on the category?
< 1332235842 187407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, [[Category:foo | bar]]
< 1332235848 163980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes sense, more or less
< 1332235860 62183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit, I might argue that only DEFAULTSORT should exist, not the per-category section
< 1332235865 501356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's useful for "X in Y" in [[Category:X]]
< 1332235924 573547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they also have hidden categories, at least in Wikipedia, which are not shown by default but there is a user preference to make it to display them, but in a separate row
< 1332235926 391700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Category foo
< 1332235979 19719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed
< 1332236001 255287 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332236024 952119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speaking of bots, how hellish is pywikipediabot?
< 1332236035 540938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like writing my own library
< 1332236062 206953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as bad as rolling your own library, although last I looked it used scraping rather than the API
< 1332236066 716555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's been fixed to use the API since
< 1332236103 297716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm not using it if it uses scraping
< 1332236211 495097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i might if i'm really lazy
< 1332236261 262646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, apparently [[Category:Living people]] exists only for BLP monitoring
< 1332236272 335429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore has no subcategories, making it completely useless for readers
< 1332236274 784221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, that's its purpose
< 1332236278 430130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a terrible category to list first...
< 1332236286 82061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so important when editing something
< 1332236290 551070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by policy
< 1332236293 629747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh, wikipedia*
< 1332236310 399612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia isn't really aimed at readers, because they don't make the decisions…
< 1332236344 257979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia isn't really aimed at the editors either, just the very small subset of editors who would like to control who Wikipedia is aimed at
< 1332236420 318721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1332237747 569732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPL HORIZONS seems broken; it doesn't do anything after a command is entered.
< 1332238043 719722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't always need the type parameter on a template function call
< 1332238050 877872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the type can be inferred from argument types
< 1332238056 769159 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the inference is rather weak...
< 1332238161 980642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332240277 285501 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_ignore so am I online now?
< 1332240279 353442 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I online now?
< 1332240283 666657 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332240292 351741 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!glogbot_ignore: good ping, or the best ping?)
< 1332240412 802285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no
< 1332240415 213639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not online
< 1332240448 155637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Now, er, how much do you know about table styling?
< 1332240510 237365 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a huge amount
< 1332240568 541316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332240681 28976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:17:54: <RocketJSquirrel> The text "More featured languages..." doesn't exactly scream "if you click through here a couple of times, you can suggest a language"
< 1332240686 321689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, I don't consider this a problem.
< 1332240698 914608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of person who wants to go from the main page directly to suggesting a language probably shouldn't.
< 1332240906 216864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: by the way, I thought of an obvious criterion for the spam user deletion script I missed
< 1332240917 699252 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1332240941 874292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: "has an entry in the block log matching %spam%" (note: this is different from "is currently blocked with that entry")
< 1332240947 472071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we wiped the blocks
< 1332240957 972527 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course
< 1332240968 127109 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "has a 24-year block"?
< 1332240981 4391 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when the reason was typoed or not given?
< 1332240998 431299 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'll need to check fake-lament on that
< 1332241030 138331 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it's vaguely weird to be on a wiki that's had exactly one vandal

< 1332241045 310795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&limit=500&type=block&month=&year=
< 1332241052 59542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems practically all spam-user entries have "spam" in them
< 1332241058 329297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones that are sentences talking about other spambots
< 1332241080 157447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them have "vandal" even though we'd call them spammers nowadays
< 1332241086 815362 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "spma" or "spa," or whatever?
< 1332241089 325548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because they didn't actually link anywhere or promote anything)
< 1332241104 404971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, probably (although not "spma", at least), but we can delete users manually after-the-fact
< 1332241116 173144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to pick off a few thousand automatically to make it less of a drudge
< 1332241209 196877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: haha, wow: (show/hide) 06:13, 28 September 2005 Graue (Talk | contribs | block) blocked 69.50.165.186 (Talk) with an expiry time of 24 years ‎ (probably a spammer testing to see if shit gets deleted here) (unblock | change block)
< 1332241222 488108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: they were blocked for creating [[Esolang:Sandbox]] with "Hello"
< 1332241232 63380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a martyr for the ages
< 1332241239 167187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit summary "just testing"
< 1332241252 9269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do spambots figure out the project namespace and create a sandbox in it?
< 1332241276 321966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the first block ever)
< 1332241374 524576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: also, I'm wondering if lament-impersonator isn't actually lament themselves
< 1332241388 925103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(show/hide) 00:27, 20 August 2007 (diff | hist) Esolang:Sandbox ‎ (Replacing page with 'cocks')
< 1332241389 87506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they remind me of lament of recent years.
< 1332241417 559615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lament reverted them, so I guess not
< 1332241463 295327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.118.79.88 this person, presumably
< 1332241470 180925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it seems it happened when IRP was on reddit
< 1332241482 374524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the one vandal we got was when we were in the spotlight; makes sense
< 1332242081 862368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: wow, the query is really good now
< 1332242090 484366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3058 matches, without the risky duplicate-email query
< 1332242108 961665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332242117 647295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1332242141 855300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (actually, I'm more surprised there were 3043 matches before adding the log entry criterion)
< 1332242147 182233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it being that effective
< 1332242174 586928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would leave 1449 users to be manually checked
< 1332242176 512516 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently F*****
< 1332242178 904075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling ais523_ isn't here
< 1332242184 285543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what
< 1332242251 806422 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: supported
< 1332242328 613576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ???
< 1332242416 180385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what are you on about
< 1332242422 456805 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you asked who else supported
< 1332242441 633138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332242448 18219 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332242465 365656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: who the heck is Fasterisks
< 1332242468 312110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean FKA?
< 1332242528 294462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: fun fact: nobody has ever been unblocked on esolang
< 1332242613 611757 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332242795 782481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: mysql> SELECT user_name, user_email, user_real_name FROM user u WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM spammers s WHERE s.user_id = u.user_id);
< 1332242963 434551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[User;The Catholicizer]] has one edit and it's incorrect :'(
< 1332243544 928704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, [[DPEMOFKOXM]] that i deleted was actually a bot
< 1332243641 572990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523_: another criterion I just thought of: only contribution is to own user or user talk page, which has been deleted
< 1332243653 397802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523_: (keymaker has deleted lots, but never filled out a reason)
< 1332243715 401328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm /really/ tempted to relax the "no undeleted contributions and has contributions deleted as %spam%" thing to "no undeleted contributions and has deleted contributions"
< 1332243724 332174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker has deleted a /lot/ of such pages
< 1332244254 91222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, I remember there being a false positive for that
< 1332244262 376601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no
< 1332244266 457790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were blanking the page
< 1332244271 34138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/creating/ it should be pretty safe
< 1332244314 684460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's plausible that somebody might have put up a page that's a copyvio and it was deleted and they never did anything lese
< 1332244315 513302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*else
< 1332244953 701681 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been with students all this time
< 1332245002 78325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said lots and lots of interesting things! Well, lots of things, anyway.
< 1332245014 291770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some of them were amusing!
< 1332245018 532418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others were informative!
< 1332245041 796772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ping
< 1332246168 919449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332246668 125509 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1332247431 71833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1332247439 167046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332247439 408605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1332248131 782787 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332248360 853454 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, esolang idea inspired by one of my students' code: a language that ignores expressions
< 1332248385 447313 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's vaguely C-like, but if(x>3) and if(y>4) mean the same thing
< 1332248398 312774 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write conditionals, but not choose what they're conditionalling on
< 1332248503 554413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A colleague of mine recently needed to represent DAGs (directed acyclic graphs) in Coq, and asked around for ideas. Since Coq is not a nice language to program in, I decided to use Haskell instead."
< 1332248505 742958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuuuuuuuuurn
< 1332248527 924966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: did you see what I said about the first user ever blocked on esolang, btw?
< 1332248579 163029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> ais523_: haha, wow: (show/hide) 06:13, 28 September 2005 Graue (Talk | contribs | block) blocked 69.50.165.186 (Talk) with an expiry time of 24 years ‎ (probably a spammer testing to see if shit gets deleted here) (unblock | change block)
< 1332248579 325459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> ais523_: they were blocked for creating [[Esolang:Sandbox]] with "Hello"
< 1332248579 325651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> a martyr for the ages
< 1332248579 325760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> edit summary "just testing"
< 1332248580 194309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> since when do spambots figure out the project namespace and create a sandbox in it?
< 1332248582 195638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> (that's the first block ever)
< 1332248667 603462 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did
< 1332248688 239472 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just edit [[Project:Sandbox]] on any MediaWiki wiki, it'll be translated to the appropriate alternative
< 1332248705 640183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I rather doubt spambots are doing that, either
< 1332248717 463240 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Coq requires your programs to be proved correct, much like Agda
< 1332248727 478415 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's rather harder to program in than Haskell
< 1332248735 913231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: your first statement is completely false (and also nonsensical)
< 1332248745 881130 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1332248750 445402 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /if/ it made sense, it would be true
< 1332248766 183789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I doubt it
< 1332248768 903289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq requires nothing
< 1332248775 984848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can program without using Prop at all
< 1332248776 530350 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I've been awake for quite a while, you can expect me to make no sense)
< 1332248836 834501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying you make more sense when you're not tired?
< 1332248850 639030 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332248853 798364 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, not by much
< 1332248868 498557 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm usually tired
< 1332248878 531880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that famous three-letter /^c/-word AI project? Cyc? 
< 1332248904 119799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyc, yes.
< 1332248911 356388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rather silly thing.
< 1332248914 90785 :MatressDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1332248925 562088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's COMMON SENSE in the COMPUTER, is what it is.
< 1332248932 623128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billions and billions of rules.
< 1332248934 671624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I hear.
< 1332248967 316119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1332249051 999046 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332249056 84256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#$genls #$Tree-ThePlant #$Plant) -- did you know that all tree-the-plants are plants? 
< 1332249134 763926 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, that's the wireless malfunctioning again
< 1332249138 977342 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, someone stealing my laptop
< 1332249178 792927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332249239 708655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1332249257 941972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I didn't do that for any reason, I was just bored)
< 1332249285 179332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Billions and billions of rules.
< 1332249289 229291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT OF LIKE SPEECH RECOGNITION.
< 1332249293 382736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332249303 577988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not like speech recognition at all. :'(
< 1332249379 834667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess with a suitably warped view it is. But no-one's spending a hundred man-years to write up them rules.
< 1332249386 653688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332249439 13011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan @ oerjan welcome oerjan
< 1332249442 951957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332249449 683866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hundred chinese sweatshop workers.  the result is pretty good, but somehow cannot recognize "democracy".
< 1332249548 493649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox ok i made it even better
< 1332249574 626069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sandbox should have one of those falling-sand games embedded in it.
< 1332249603 18850 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((oerjan: )S:^):^
< 1332249603 180648 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerj ...too much output!
< 1332249621 648997 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to recursively ping someone, do it properly
< 1332249629 900736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so.
< 1332249642 733178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was thrice by intention.
< 1332249649 911822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-222.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332249703 908591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >[,>]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>]!ais523_: 
< 1332249711 861196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what
< 1332249720 856503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First [,>] won't run.
< 1332249724 928503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1332249733 644148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>]!ais523_: 
< 1332249733 806134 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_:  ...
< 1332249761 975781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ^bf output limit is smaller than the ^ul.
< 1332249771 466816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no particular reason.
< 1332249778 691507 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask, for any particular reason
< 1332249781 940433 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you answered for me
< 1332249788 480298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because ^ul is MORE AWESOME.  hth.
< 1332249879 97965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (oerjan: )(~:S~:^):^( let's reuse our oerjans to save the environment )
< 1332249879 296368 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerj ...too much output!
< 1332249887 117167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox ok i made it the most betterest
< 1332249914 141148 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but we're reusing them anyway
< 1332249920 733411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, an IP edited [[///]] usefully!
< 1332249925 445001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the featured language thing must be doing some good.
< 1332249930 370435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1332249937 618972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S *obviously* makes a new foo, as opposed to doing a :S on an existing foo.
< 1332249955 350961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i feel guilty about dicking around in the sandbox for the last 10 minutes.
< 1332249956 730734 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the (oerjan) is being :ed in both cases
< 1332249977 484849 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it's inside another program in one of the cases)
< 1332249995 636652 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(great things about English #50: it even lets you verb punctuation marks)
< 1332249995 910829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and your facts. I'll have no part with them.
< 1332250021 960702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think Swedish does that better, they have an actual separator
< 1332250029 69746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it finnish
< 1332250034 16693 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages allow s/// constructs, with that name?
< 1332250046 363866 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be more fun to link each word of "everybody seems to be doing" to a different language
< 1332250052 657284 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean finding five of them
< 1332250063 848928 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue
< 1332250076 521673 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1332250079 41654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan) bliver koloniserad!  vad imperialistiskt övergrepp!
< 1332250099 696419 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue uses the ::= syntax
< 1332250111 269268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan) kaksoispistetään.
< 1332250114 267843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: perl, sed, ed (I think)
< 1332250121 902393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like "is being double-put".
< 1332250122 979934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s///ing everyone was doing was presumably on IRC, I think
< 1332250132 993081 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed, sed, perl, perl6, irp
< 1332250136 536469 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go
< 1332250169 410236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/// is not english
< 1332250209 384004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype does s///, though it's not exactly a language.
< 1332250220 542755 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And :ing is english, presumably.
< 1332250256 833380 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I was pretty sure there was a picture on Wikipedia that showed the number line being projected onto a circle.
< 1332250272 899183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_projective_line
< 1332250273 804045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1332250299 651170 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They couldn't afford an infinite projector.
< 1332250432 293916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hey, mind if I move [[Template:Featured language]] to [[Esolang:Featured languages/Current]] and [[Template:Featured]] to [[Template:Featured language]]?
< 1332250625 874712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> quintopia: It probably depends what you are doing, what makes what to be more useful! Chinese seasons says the equinox is in the middle of spring instead of start of spring.
< 1332250653 689155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say the chinese wouldn't do that if they had snow outside the window today.
< 1332250659 414198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes i do)
< 1332250707 176734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture in [[w:Real_projective_line]] isn't much of a picture, though. I remember an animooted one that showed the point on the line, and a small disc where it intersected the circle.
< 1332251041 327780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I'm thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Riemann_sphere1.jpg instead.
< 1332251049 615653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that doesn't move either.
< 1332251066 808911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the dreaded Riemann sphere.
< 1332251071 568447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know, it looks hostile.)
< 1332251082 548793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very friendly-looking, no.
< 1332251097 254508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I might be biased, I tend to distrust speheres.
< 1332251125 111593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put these metal spheres on the streets in Helsinki near one harbour area, I swear they switch places when one's not looking.
< 1332251131 399659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they just stand there, all reflecty.
< 1332251153 34771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're watching you.
< 1332251155 832417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://photoblogi.blogspot.com/2010/04/metallipallo-helsingissa-olo-no-22.html
< 1332251158 249007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things.
< 1332251177 933323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's not so oppressive-looking after it's been "tagged" and dirtied like that.
< 1332251189 600642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually now I feel a bit of pity. :/
< 1332251202 411013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, e probably deserved it, anyway.
< 1332251225 741468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I... thought you were talking about larger spheres.
< 1332251230 676549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fear of those made sense.
< 1332251238 671052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/raselased/3867863746/ now that's a whole different thing.
< 1332251245 289675 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't mind
< 1332251257 682421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all kinds of sizes, from like ~20 cm to maybe a metre or so.
< 1332251258 508649 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember that you can transclude non-templates)
< 1332251263 931043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They keep conspiring.)
< 1332251267 428023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, that one looks a little sinister.
< 1332251274 6778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking of human-to-2x-human-sized spheres.
< 1332251288 81667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: obviously, or I wouldn't move {{featured language}} to [[Esolang:Featured languages/Current]], it'd break the main page :)
< 1332251297 322434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those I would probably just flee from, instead of being slightly unnerved by.
< 1332251299 882973 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun fact: did you know that templates weren't actually added to MediaWiki intentionally?
< 1332251314 722690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you originally transcluded interface messages
< 1332251317 727026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people used that to build templates
< 1332251324 111864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was {{msg:MediaWiki:foo}} or something
< 1332251324 312035 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for internationalisation purposes
< 1332251330 241249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I know this because I read a comment where you explained it
< 1332251337 314174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, somewhere
< 1332251348 112249 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people realised you could put arbitrary stuff in MediaWiki: space even though the software ignored it
< 1332251355 486639 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it think you were internationalising messages
< 1332251362 736679 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how templates came about
< 1332251369 421781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_November_18#Template:Tooltip-article i read it at
< 1332251373 538431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got there from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_default
< 1332251380 1992 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪
< 1332251382 504896 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1332251394 443538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hilarious, it has notifications addressed to all bots and proposed deletion notifications
< 1332251396 948898 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of the few people to ever have successfully MfDed a MediaWiki:-space page
< 1332251406 857484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, link?
< 1332251409 659557 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed it up by speedying one, I think
< 1332251440 509009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment I've posted the MfD now. Wow, that's the second time I've MfD'd a MediaWiki: page... --ais523 10:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
< 1332251443 979544 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1332251454 436318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article
< 1332251455 727332 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article
< 1332251457 638512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article
< 1332251460 862658 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, you beat me to it
< 1332251466 957233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely
< 1332251470 563478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was the first one? :)
< 1332251507 592059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speedy delete per WP:CSD#R3 - The redirect was created by a bot and there is no evidence that any human has ever used the redirect. It looks like a redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer. Since it was created by a bot, I would say that the "Recently created" aspect of WP:CSD#R3 does not apply. If a human thinks the redirect is needed in the future, they can create it. -- Jreferee t/c 19:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
< 1332251507 756142 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Block_compress_delete
< 1332251514 605073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: err, does this person realise you're talking about a MediaWiki-space page?
< 1332251526 760339 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably did, and were intentionally-ignoring the fact
< 1332251573 609032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1332251574 39959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebuildMessages.php --rebuild 
< 1332251574 202205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updates all messages to their current default value, regardless of whether they have been manually edited. This is sometimes used on other wikis when a new messages file has just been created, with a comprehensive set of default messages. It has never been used on the English Wikipedia.
< 1332251574 476513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1332251578 628374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much it'd break if it _was_ run.
< 1332251626 536813 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't get huge breakage, just lots of messages being less customized
< 1332251654 720373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but that probably counts as "breakage" for wikipedia
< 1332251658 681433 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's fun to see that in 2006, I wasn't sure what deleting an interface message would do and neither was anyone else
< 1332251662 905306 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in 2007, I was explaining it to them
< 1332251666 667909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the messages yelling at people about how to edit pages when you click edit would disappear
< 1332251688 148306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you asked if sandbox edits show up in the "edit log" on [[Esolang:Sandbox]] in 2006
< 1332251693 495642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast learner, I suppose...
< 1332251725 712061 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332251734 316614 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/doing_it_wrong89.jpg
< 1332251772 441646 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, you might enjoy this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:
< 1332251780 516001 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how I found the relevant MfDs
< 1332251861 328200 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1332252708 671214 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas
< 1332252730 235143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen
< 1332252784 789592 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332252807 987427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kolmivaihekilowattituntimittari is something I always think of first when it comes to longish words.
< 1332252821 997863 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :twentytwohourscurrenttimeperiod?
< 1332253042 945275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Twentyfour.
< 1332253049 976638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the day of the day of the day of the day!
< 1332253060 389230 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1332253074 882065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg, see?
< 1332253177 477061 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.omniglot.com/soundfiles/finnish/hovercraft_fi.mp3
< 1332253549 710780 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332253877 711433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332253897 949546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332253919 798417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try saving and restoring twice
< 1332254053 25213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?
< 1332254077 37023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the mood for a non sequitur
< 1332254491 921885 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332254867 719407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, can you fix CSS so it supports negative paddings?
< 1332254894 920574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332254906 956778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a negative margin work for whatever you're trying to do?
< 1332254923 386171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not, I'm using width: 100%
< 1332254938 961183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a negative margin will push it to one of the edges, but leave a space on the other side
< 1332254957 165890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, a negative margin should apply in all directions, but it doesn't
< 1332255346 139984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I fixed my binary diff problem with a bit of out-of-the-box thinking
< 1332255390 191753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the save code to remember, for each thing it wrote out, what it was writing out (with an identifier that wouldn't change over time and was unique for each bit of the save file), and which byte in the save file it started
< 1332255402 985552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I compare the files by comparing the tags and going byte-by-byte from there
< 1332255408 527151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you believe hashtables to be O(1), it's O(n)
< 1332255430 255137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leads to a diff format that has commands seek, copy, edit
< 1332255518 440654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even convinced it's an awful hack…
< 1332255520 254561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe hashtables to be O(1)!
< 1332255586 957932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it's O(n^2) in the limit because I use a linked list upon hash collisions, but O(n) throughout the file sizes that actually happen in practice
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< 1332256164 589112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) . (+) . (+)
< 1332256167 454681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> ((a -> a) -> a -> a) -> (a -> a) -> a -> a
< 1332256211 273276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((+) . (+) . (+)) 1 2 3 4
< 1332256215 193691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1332256219 495531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332256221 49592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((+) . (+) . (+)) 1 2 3 4
< 1332256222 971615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  10
< 1332256247 407799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haskell is slow. hth.
< 1332256254 340587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1332256281 104343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for tabling betterave. i was too lazy to.
< 1332256286 772857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1332256341 483788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, did i ask you to propose deadfish as a featured language candidate yet :P
< 1332256390 800042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did, but on the other hand the page says to make your suggestion _count_
< 1332256406 13092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, counting is one of the few things Deadfish is good at!
< 1332256431 756921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with ais523 and Taneb snatching the very two languages i was considering instead...
< 1332256468 383847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Glass is a good candidate, but its article needs _work_ before i'll link to it from the main page.
< 1332256481 65973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, this is not a good lead: "This wiki page describes the structure of Glass, however, it's been described as unintuitive. If you just want to learn Glass, it's recommended that you read the IRC log of #esoteric in which Gregor taught a class on Glass. That log is available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.01.15, and the lesson starts with the line "16:17:57 <GregorR-L> Lesson #1: Classes" Also, Gregor is always willing to ans
< 1332256481 229942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wer questions about Glass on #esoteric on FreeNode."
< 1332256482 944597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already _did_ work on that ;_;
< 1332256502 934348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well maybe the notice is obsolete then
< 1332256517 871487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it certainly seems good quality
< 1332256679 667997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah you're right, it's a very good article by our standards
< 1332256685 649933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the introduction needs improvement
< 1332256690 602163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do it
< 1332256709 574298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332256738 298705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fixing that up was one of the first things i did after joining the wiki
< 1332256811 658612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask RocketJSquirrel What is the replacement address for http://www.befunge.org/fyb/glass/?
< 1332256811 848222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332256823 893648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, http://codu.org/eso/glass/.
< 1332256850 797872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is Glass TC?
< 1332256858 376689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would presume so, it obviously has the necessary control flow, but are the integers unbounded?
< 1332256886 651402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, do you think it belongs in [[Category:Low-level]]? on the one hand, it involves lots of stack-munging and "VMy" things; on the other hand, it's OOP...)
< 1332256901 692622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cannot imagine how it wouldn't be with a complete object system, although i have never looked deeply into how using it in real OOP style works
< 1332256924 999891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd imagine you can make linked lists and stuff
< 1332256928 691271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332256967 637381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think part of glass is being _both_ high and low level in a ridiculous way
< 1332256984 553999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i'll leave it without either of the categories
< 1332257009 981003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i really wish there was a wikicode shorthand for <code>.
< 1332257028 994690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a shortcut for it.
< 1332257034 35387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, shortcut key that is
< 1332257041 426966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332257122 440208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i joined the wiki before i even got my laptop.  it may have been part of the reason why i got it, as my aunt got fed up with me using her computer all the time :P
< 1332257156 909035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Glass is considered unique by its creator because it combines the
< 1332257157 70875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unintuitive postfix notation with object orientation, and also requires
< 1332257157 232805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensive use of a main stack, despite being (mostly)
< 1332257157 232980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :object oriented.]]
< 1332257167 849159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also considered unique because it is redundant, and redundant.
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< 1332257280 535467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass poop
< 1332257281 490510 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1332257319 30400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass houses.
< 1332257347 222528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok now i need to work out how to work in the fact that EgoBot interprets it (because most people probably don't want to compile a C++ program)
< 1332257399 790768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, your /// interpreter is available on your site, right? there's no point duplicating it on-wiki if so.
< 1332257472 2547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er i _made_ it to be included on the wiki.  the fact that i also have several versions on my site is incidental.
< 1332257486 720457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is after all quite short.
< 1332257507 150251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it is not the ideal place for code...
< 1332257513 206523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can Ctrl+S a standalone file
< 1332257541 740958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indeed graue has deleted code pages after migrating them to the file archive)
< 1332257547 599628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's short enough that it doesn't matter.
< 1332257988 388433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey what do you think about swapping the colours of the meta and for readers box on the main page
< 1332258205 406685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are afaict the two most compatible colors in the set and so i don't feel swapping them should make much of a difference
< 1332258233 988485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue feels like a meta colour for some reason. also, green is our colour, so it should be on the most important section, or something.
< 1332258262 48263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332258262 210368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1332258272 762565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i notice nobody has commented on the last link in the meta section yet :
< 1332258273 583692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1332258287 648938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about it in the logs.
< 1332258337 282130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should mention that he doesn't really like peach color

< 1332258367 795526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh, i had a hard enough time coming up with acceptable colours in general.
< 1332258373 546720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is meant to be pale red.
< 1332258381 891099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to suggest a better one :P
< 1332258388 538325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, pale red / orange)
< 1332258397 373784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(orange was suggested; that was the result of trying to make orange pale enough)
< 1332258507 399111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in, a better colour, not a better pale red
< 1332258519 259144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit close to the featured language colour.
< 1332258563 666255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not good with style design

< 1332258718 499311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes formatting bug

< 1332258722 29586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the boxes were too tall, vertically)
< 1332258771 710611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors will inspire you :P
< 1332258976 145580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article definitely needs a different picture, in the one showing at the moment square A is obviously darker than square B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.146.29 (talk) 13:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
< 1332258976 307654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- comment left on [[Talk:Checker shadow illusion]]
< 1332259156 5171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a liar, sir. They are not the same color. This might work in a real-life example, but the picture is a mock-up to show the effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.43 (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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< 1332259232 166624 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People are wonderfully stupid.
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< 1332259237 543543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 40m 26s ago: What is the replacement address for http://www.befunge.org/fyb/glass/?
< 1332259245 364721 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/eso/glass/
< 1332259246 444277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it.
< 1332259248 391140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks.
< 1332259284 211465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: There's even a crank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Checker_shadow_illusion#Equivocation
< 1332259341 608471 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy lol
< 1332259437 150115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy has posted comments on the page from 2009 to 2011.
< 1332259589 35811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah every attempt either looks worse or too similar to wikipedia's scheme :P
< 1332259599 466212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't care about similarity to wikipedia's scheme
< 1332259613 807242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otoh i would like it if it was a three-letter rgb code
< 1332259623 106302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. #rgb rather than #rrggbb
< 1332259629 619001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that is, it just makes me happier :P
< 1332259641 395013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any ones that look nice go ahead, I'll try them out
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< 1332259691 78096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Inflection Well this is a lovely talk page masquerading as an article.
< 1332259715 132766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was sort of working within that restriction.  what i have right now is FE5 for featured and ECF for creators
< 1332259753 389873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er you don't like the featured colour either?
< 1332259772 194732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rather attached to yellow for that one, it's brighter than the other colours on the page like a highlight.
< 1332259779 467128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought making it closer to gold might make it sort of more prominent
< 1332259791 696336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a look

< 1332259794 494049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, with my scheme it's still the only warm color
< 1332259804 567695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's more prominent, but it also kind of ruins the pastel thing
< 1332259810 139355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1332259820 855887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECF is quite nice, I was wondering if purple might be good
< 1332259872 552847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it could do with being a little less close to DDE, the meta colour
< 1332259875 455498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i implied, green-blue-purple is wikipedia's scheme :P
< 1332259928 471135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a problem getting it less close without giving it the red tint i'm trying to remove in the first place
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< 1332259988 859918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's purple is #DDCEF2, for what that's worth.
< 1332260000 651098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roughly #DDF or perhaps #DCF.
< 1332260029 990702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, more like DCF.
< 1332260044 60450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh that's even closer to the meta colour
< 1332260082 155852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, later ->
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< 1332262460 452115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional
< 1332262470 489150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys tell me this was mocked appropriately at the time.
< 1332262543 736153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have.
< 1332262566 109881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1332262676 574837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also oi what do you think of the new Code blocks: They are enclosed with { and }. For example: if (equals(a,b), {print("a equals to b") } )
< 1332262676 738700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1332262679 869527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh.
< 1332262681 101783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page.
< 1332262698 752067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were just another sign of the awfulness of it.
< 1332262739 266180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't like the colour scheme, needs more contrast between "For creators" and "Featured language".
< 1332262872 144894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to suggest a better colour for "for creators".
< 1332262874 135909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan tried and failed.
< 1332262882 225496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orange? Does that not work?
< 1332262892 306379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is the result of me trying to make orange pastelly enough.
< 1332262902 30117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; red?
< 1332262904 441752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you think orange will make it look *less* like the featured language heading...
< 1332262910 639408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is also the result of me trying to make red pastelly enough.
< 1332262915 977986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, um
< 1332262923 281226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out that light red and light orange are both peach.
< 1332262934 956738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you realise that
< 1332262943 915241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are pastels which are red
< 1332262945 50533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could make it pink but I couldn't find a nice pink.
< 1332262951 35980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you never used pastels
< 1332262964 579642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look
< 1332262967 239513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't mean pastel.
< 1332262970 193176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... what's the word.
< 1332262970 812870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Commercial_pastels.JPG
< 1332262975 186252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those light colours.
< 1332262977 664808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft.
< 1332262979 784843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know.
< 1332262997 199000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of a soft and delicate shade or color."
< 1332262999 729374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I do mean pastel.
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< 1332263950 386861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I got G. to ragequit!
< 1332263958 768355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must get some kind of badge for that
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< 1332264444 446191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "G."? 
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< 1332264493 290090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also #dce is closer to #ddcef2 than #dcf.
< 1332264501 821186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Formerly Goethe.
< 1332264519 177854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very-long-time nomic player (and internet nomic player), current Agora player.
< 1332264524 698393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay.
< 1332264540 625068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit on the curmudgeonly site.
< 1332264541 766923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*side.
< 1332264557 641167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one of them fisheries research biologists.
< 1332264570 865576 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEBAB8.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1332264643 468469 :Sleeptalik!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik
< 1332265035 70557 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh
< 1332265053 865727 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of you people made computer music?
< 1332265069 953440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer musics all the time
< 1332265086 690487 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1332265092 834034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean "computer music"?)
< 1332265103 670686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :music of computers flying out of windows
< 1332265112 269541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1332265118 578871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had that kind of money
< 1332265122 115533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would totally happen
< 1332265186 911161 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of you has a self photo where you're wearing a hat
< 1332265189 2717 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the question
< 1332265207 812769 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its not, but
< 1332265228 207522 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawlabee
< 1332265234 476300 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka RocketJSquirrel 
< 1332265240 838160 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no
< 1332265254 20492 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of you makes piano music on your computer!
< 1332265265 26799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor
< 1332265272 362070 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA ROCKETJSQUIRREL
< 1332265275 515190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1332265277 162106 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1332265279 800401 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE
< 1332265286 45632 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want from me >_<
< 1332265291 744648 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ted.com/talks/scott_rickard_the_beautiful_math_behind_the_ugliest_music.html
< 1332265322 294778 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes, I've seen it. It is a very poor attempt at being bad music.
< 1332265339 895834 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1332265350 80707 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it depends on what you mean by bad but fine
< 1332265356 501048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also golomb ruler is p cool. i remember reading about it in a gardner book
< 1332265416 15489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: That thing is a fine example of why TED talks are complete bullshit.
< 1332265422 602490 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1332265438 234993 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell why you think this is so
< 1332265462 926883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music has melody and rhythm; I found it perfectly listenable. It might not be a pop song, but it's hardly the most ugly or dischordant music by a very long shot.
< 1332265478 606828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not even a TED talk.
< 1332265480 966323 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had neither melody nor rhythm, i dont know what you're talking about
< 1332265491 471739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a TEDx talk.
< 1332265497 265273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, another TEDx talk was about that vortex math thing.
< 1332265525 766281 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what vortex math thing
< 1332265538 761362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg
< 1332265566 467620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't watch unless you want 10 minutes of complete mathematical/scientific crackpottery.
< 1332265609 571424 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it has neither melody or rhythm, but that's kind of why it's such a poor attempt at bad music.
< 1332265613 914172 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply isn't music at all.
< 1332265619 747369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be bad music, you have to be an attempt at music.
< 1332265638 643589 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like saying that radar blips are bad music.
< 1332265646 387692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely music.
< 1332265653 19865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My standards for melody and rhythm may be lower than others.
< 1332265666 613615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I certainly didn't find it an especially unpleasant arrangement of sounds, just boring.
< 1332265669 552866 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1332265677 639905 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man this is painfully stupid
< 1332265679 985379 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<elliott> But I certainly didn't find it an especially unpleasant arrangement of sounds, just boring. <-- this is the only part of that I agree with
< 1332265709 616038 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the wrong definition of bad, then
< 1332265719 719099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The main problem is that it's played way too slowly, so it just sounds like a bunch of notes.
< 1332265722 998037 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal was clearly laid out
< 1332265726 29589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make anything sound like a bunch of notes.
< 1332265735 475936 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the measure of goodness he employed was quite precise, and he achieved the opposite of it
< 1332265746 190606 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Right, yes.
< 1332265750 7635 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a very silly measure of goodness.
< 1332265754 622965 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your measure of good or bad is "how pleasing it is"
< 1332265754 785309 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: why does your post contain 0x08 byte before and after < and >?
< 1332265755 860943 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine
< 1332265770 269410 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not the measure he was using
< 1332265777 294399 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the measure he was using is crap but
< 1332265798 579999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Why doesn't YOURS?
< 1332265799 452722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, TED talks are basically a tool by which people can make themselves feel excited and enlightened while learning nothing of significance, and by which people can promote themselves and make what they're doing sound vital and perfect, no matter what it is.
< 1332265825 639792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complete bullshit.
< 1332265827 16263 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mostly true
< 1332265833 481783 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some really good presentations tho
< 1332265844 96935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Some people are interesting enough to rescue any venue.
< 1332265875 194262 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like myself 8-D
< 1332265877 15083 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See /topic)
< 1332265890 631189 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 TOPIC #esoteric :see what now
< 1332265897 590416 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332265900 146477 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 TOPIC #esoteric :This is SURPRISINGLY the WEIRDEST CHEESE you will ANNOTATE all RAMADAN: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332266019 880289 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have any experience with RISC OS or MorphOS?
< 1332266089 761898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott re: definition of music. i do not require such trivialities as melody, rhythm, harmony. i actually have schoenberg, webern, etc. in my collection. klangfarbenmelodie is pretty cool.
< 1332266105 498604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE <-- this is amazing, watch it now
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< 1332266188 847568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332266192 335908 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724
< 1332266289 693625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i watched the first few videos of the intro by the guy in the tedx talk
< 1332266294 715925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were enthralling, we watched them in here communally
< 1332266300 260718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very enlightening stuff
< 1332266303 725527 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god dude this is comedy gold
< 1332266323 852097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the other guy's are better
< 1332266329 661516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even watched these and i can guarantee it
< 1332266495 585530 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a from-source package system and archive that makes some sort of attempt to work on multiple OSes?
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< 1332266721 350447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: rpm?
< 1332266726 574251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, whaddya mean by OSes
< 1332266733 638489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html runs on multiple OSes
< 1332266735 942333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc that is
< 1332266743 231402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of them in fact
< 1332266750 150600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Nix/Nixpkgs
< 1332266776 840480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Neither of those use package archives though.
< 1332266792 380606 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's not the important part.
< 1332266797 707490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that it be able to automate package building.
< 1332266799 275457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc is the typical ports-ish system, Nix uses derivation files on their own that reference external file sources.
< 1332266801 134051 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I even thought that.
< 1332266815 306232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Most people handle the building concern separately to package systems, I think.
< 1332266818 45758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your use case?
< 1332266827 173567 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl/sabotage ^^
< 1332266863 468287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, I don't see what you mean by "OS" then.
< 1332266876 594197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously rpm/dpkg/apt-get will work on anything Linuxy.
< 1332266887 286220 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and conveniently install glibc over my pretty musl system.
< 1332266892 592767 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to set up a complete package repository.
< 1332266907 329328 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a way to bootstrap "try to install <this thing>" that doesn't involve me trudging through tons of packages myself.
< 1332266912 269327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The implementation should be 100% C++ object oriented"
< 1332266920 608593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uh...
< 1332266925 480249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ohhh, package archive
< 1332266927 980626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in archive of packages
< 1332266934 85020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in archive format for packages
< 1332266939 277450 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah, yes.
< 1332266940 365335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you wanted a .rpm/.deb type thing
< 1332266943 492247 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono
< 1332266945 77576 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all.
< 1332266951 949030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, Nix/Nixpkgs uses the system libc, I think.
< 1332266957 559365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bootstraps everything else though (its own compilers, etc.)
< 1332266964 666338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But it works on OS X and Cygwin, so it should work on musl.
< 1332266983 43897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Of course, that doesn't handle the "OSy" things, but in your situation it couldn't anyway.
< 1332266991 893251 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I don't want it to.
< 1332267010 414220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc would... probably also work, but it's hard to quantify the immense magnitude of superiority Nix has over a bunch of Makefiles.
< 1332267023 646574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, Nix is C++ though, so you'll have to get libc++ working.
< 1332267031 99585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (Is the C++ support for musl in a release or just the latest git?)
< 1332267035 454149 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh bloody frrrp
< 1332267047 735737 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a g++, but I suspect it to be nonworking.
< 1332267055 682098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix is C++? :/
< 1332267057 921631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the runtime libraries that matter.
< 1332267066 885250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You could use Slackware's "package manager" and archive.
< 1332267072 546103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Since they don't patch, the packages probably work.
< 1332267081 616331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the package manager doesn't work.
< 1332267085 228072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a trade-off.
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< 1332267100 237915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah :(
< 1332267109 217935 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I feel I'd be safer with an archive that at least makes an attempt to work in multiple places already.
< 1332267130 504475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How about Gentoo Prefix
< 1332267137 363822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works on Linux, BSD, OS X and Interix.
< 1332267150 286403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, emerge sucks, and Gentoo sucks, but it's a *lot* of packages.
< 1332267156 791770 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm
< 1332267186 43451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OTOH I think it might want to build its own gcc, but I guess if you're bootstrapping that won't be a problem.
< 1332267212 892033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You'll still want to put it as /opt or the like though, obviously, since it can't handle everything.
< 1332267222 600567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, you could just put it as /usr and use {/bin,/lib}.
< 1332267249 489926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it in /opt or something, I have no desire to trudge on /.
< 1332267263 86878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is more suitable than /opt :P
< 1332267277 942429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I guess sabotage already uses /usr *shrug*
< 1332267284 234053 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ln -s /
< 1332267288 494407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local then :P
< 1332267296 922530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yeah, and if you change that, /usr/bin/env would break etc.
< 1332267311 347299 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/local could work.
< 1332267330 157869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I think Gentoo Prefix uses /opt/gentoo by default, so probably easiest to stick with that.
< 1332267368 4162 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems to have an awfully large number of basic packages it builds into the prefix first >_>
< 1332267382 57417 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure that just ./configure in gcc won't build a working gcc on musl.
< 1332267432 517181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It should if you have a bootstrapped system.
< 1332267439 136584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With musl as system libc and thus no musl-gcc.
< 1332267460 760316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But you won't find any package sets that are widely-portable and use all the system facilities.
< 1332267465 357827 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because it will have the wrong dynamic loader, and I think certain components of gcc don't work anyway. sabotage's build of GCC has tons of options.
< 1332267465 845660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically impossible.
< 1332267472 158266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to be isolationist by design.
< 1332267483 959813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, fair enough. You can patch the gcc package, though.
< 1332267496 573223 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want it to use system gcc, glibc >_>
< 1332267502 102151 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, s/glibc/libc/
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< 1332267616 546356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Make a dummy gcc package that installs symlinks, then.
< 1332267623 628680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work.
< 1332267656 240968 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the secondary issue that whatever it installs into the prefix will be very GNUy.
< 1332267660 584728 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably install GNU coreutils etc.
< 1332267668 551926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes against the NoGNU/Linux intent.
< 1332267679 567597 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'll try it first.
< 1332267835 468052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: If you just want NoGNU/Linux, your system will be sufficiently useless and bare that you will have no need for a package manager.
< 1332267845 97567 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D
< 1332267846 681891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: P.S. Suggest a featured language candidate.
< 1332267866 617815 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kipple
< 1332267882 126912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: On http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates :P
< 1332267893 346769 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff
< 1332267956 220201 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit upon further observation that its page is rather ... spartan.
< 1332268026 615659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Doesn't matter, the candidates page is meant to drive people to improve the articles of the candidates they prefer anyway.
< 1332268055 342803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
< 1332268061 767392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE PEOPLE HAVE ADDED LANGUAGES SO FAR
< 1332268061 929527 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1332268071 9905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS ONE LINE OF INSTRUCTIONS
< 1332268076 256208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BROKEN THOSE INSTRUCTIONS SO FAR
< 1332268079 775065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THE FIRST HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO BREAK THEM
< 1332268081 879796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate everybody.
< 1332268099 670297 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alphabetical order is for losers.
< 1332268116 433828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just edited the page to fix Taneb's addition right before yours :P
< 1332268146 271536 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the instructions don't say you should sign your addition, but everyone is.
< 1332268161 329930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==List of candidates==
< 1332268161 491759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!--
< 1332268161 654015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use this syntax:
< 1332268161 654229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [[Language name]] ~~~~
< 1332268161 654342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->
< 1332268170 168730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because of that.
< 1332268179 396886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence, ais523 added that signature when adding his entry without updating the rest of the instructions.
< 1332268186 753082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is ROGUE.
< 1332268697 648369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he didn't even use that syntax ...
< 1332268713 206105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Orisinal updated????
< 1332268772 538793 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1332268777 948884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to believe in any more.
< 1332268866 316783 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.109 QUIT :Quit: Back later
< 1332268899 560757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Eh?
< 1332268907 245101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, because he uses ~~~ for his fancy (UTC).
< 1332268910 655435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Details :P
< 1332268929 537919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is Orisinal?
< 1332268938 974633 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332268945 788541 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That collection of Flash games?
< 1332268950 308701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Winterbells?
< 1332268961 747746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you are emulating the tone I take when you don't know of a thing.
< 1332268999 858991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god winterbells
< 1332269002 651849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu
< 1332269003 801952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nny
< 1332269042 675899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was taking the "come on you've heard of Winterbells surely".
< 1332269046 685341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tone
< 1332269076 997801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is ,,, hard
< 1332269108 697699 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait had you heard of Winterbells?
< 1332269145 977979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1332269147 763170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1332269149 749596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so happy i have now
< 1332269165 458200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BtW, the highest recorded score is ~7,531,195,809,589,061,900,000.)
< 1332269210 101178 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the author didn't account for the ridiculous heights to which scores could go.)
< 1332269234 801089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds scripted.
< 1332269241 536967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My highest score is, uh, 140.
< 1332269290 719029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but note that a) the score per bell increases by 10 each bell and b) the birds which double your score are pretty common.
< 1332269387 61671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1332269455 306371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you play that Hexagon game, by the way?
< 1332269469 78270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know what you're talking about.
< 1332269477 67229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/
< 1332269518 906534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: From the vvvvvvtoo many vs guy.
< 1332269575 972896 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is horribl
< 1332269576 928942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1332269578 297240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1332269581 349438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would he do this to me
< 1332269582 333705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa
< 1332269655 905029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets worse on level 3.
< 1332269773 936718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://jonaslund.com/works/selfsurfing/
< 1332269785 334466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best thing ever(?).
< 1332270287 662574 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... these words.
< 1332270289 716361 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are words.
< 1332270294 495369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all I can say of them.
< 1332270315 215096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Which words
< 1332270348 984979 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The words on that page.
< 1332270409 839464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's a Chrome extension that mirrors all the pages open in that guy's browser.
< 1332270428 32504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is browsing random nonsense for 24 hours in the most pointless performance art ever :P
< 1332270429 858158 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously?
< 1332270431 625009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god.
< 1332270463 686950 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow.
< 1332270518 707744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derivative idea: That, but decentralised. Everyone synchronised, and everyone in control.
< 1332270609 846748 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332270869 409079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like to ask this question because of two reasons. First, my only interest in programming is to write Sokoban programs"
< 1332270893 569787 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a square.
< 1332270924 170152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332270960 590292 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-20 20:51:06 ( elliott) http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/
< 1332270987 201700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1332270989 419247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From elsewhere; it was suggested the call stack in a C implementation can give you an arbitrary-sized counter (or an arbitrary-sized finite-alphabet stack) that won't necessarily run into "void * has finite size" problems, as long as you just call functions with no parameters and don't use any auto variables.
< 1332271009 703730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's the thick red-band things that do me in; I rotate around them fine, but end up in the wrong rotation for the thing that immediately follows.
< 1332271015 460118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, that's just one stack/counter.
< 1332271021 911339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's well-known here; the problem is that you only get a PDA.
< 1332271031 975438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, they're annoying.
< 1332271304 718142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :About: "I like the puzzle game Sokoban." Website: sokoban.ws
< 1332271309 6363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sensing a pattern from this person.
< 1332271345 477490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can get a PDA out of C. Still no TC for you.
< 1332271477 680777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought PDAs went out of fashion a decade ago?
< 1332271508 202216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public displays of affection will *never* go out of fashion.
< 1332271594 123187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in pansy Finland.
< 1332271625 679292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Scotland any public display of anything other than violent hatred towards another human is considered a sign of weakness.
< 1332271845 858970 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... friendship ... is magic?
< 1332272623 775199 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponies!
< 1332273448 295571 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332274237 644613 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Indeed.
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< 1332277082 430161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332277088 517437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
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< 1332277448 913375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you talked about using something more pink, what about FCF?
< 1332277470 857270 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you still deliberating over front page colours?
< 1332277487 825560 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why are you specifying 12-bit colours?)
< 1332277508 92728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because the other ones are 12-bit!
< 1332277508 914326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i just restarted deliberating as i came back home and had the tabs open
< 1332277510 707268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 bits should be enough for everyone.
< 1332277524 728159 :jackd!~jackd@176.244.62.58 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332277527 958528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a bit too strong: that makes it the brightest section on a page.
< 1332277532 215403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome jackd
< 1332277535 127317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the page
< 1332277535 475775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackd: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332277540 603828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and FDF?
< 1332277552 8487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And FSF.
< 1332277553 554773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh that's good
< 1332277555 288906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was wavering between those)
< 1332277572 703328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll think about it some more, FDF is the best candidate yet though
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< 1332277600 83530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must try all 4096. It's not that much.
< 1332277609 788872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-welcomed, again.
< 1332277659 171670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have to admit, i am slightly attached to the current colour scheme in that it has both the "standard" primary colours and the RGB primary colours.
< 1332277674 121817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other)
< 1332277718 241003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking that the _green_ now is a little to strong with the rest, what about DFC?
< 1332277721 376547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#FDF is tempting, though
< 1332277730 402777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1332277751 790410 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that instant_reddart bot fascinates me.
< 1332277757 876073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: #DFC seems more consistent. otoh that is the _first_ section people should read, so it using a strnoger colour makes sense
< 1332277763 727889 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anyone ever make something like that?
< 1332277781 212609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is true that the current one seems a little dark though
< 1332277816 181078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332277820 702771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have wondered if colouring the background of the box contents with a lighter version of the header colours might be a decent idea, like wikipedia does.
< 1332277832 574674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we're ripping off their design to a point where i don't care about doing so further.)
< 1332277837 792657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh me too
< 1332277844 184116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page seems a little bland without it
< 1332277847 712935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the previous one
< 1332277860 820271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My suggestion: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb.png
< 1332277964 277794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> (ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other) <-- i was trying to get something like "all the non-feature ones are cold, and equally far from each other, while the feature one stands out more"
< 1332277972 302275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is warm)
< 1332277996 945531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just always remember to obey http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb2.png and everything will be fine.)
< 1332278056 333049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very merry colors, that
< 1332278078 919978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the official colours of the new "visual whateveritwas" of our university.
< 1332278092 292557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "new", it was new two years back, maybe.
< 1332278156 880502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second image is trying to indicate that when you pick a color for the logo, its immediate neighbours are then illegal to use anywhere.
< 1332278273 239930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our official typefaces are Nimbus Sans Bold combined with Sentinel.
< 1332278386 551478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> <elliott> (ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other) <-- i was trying to get something like "all the non-feature ones are cold, and equally far from each other, while the feature one stands out more"
< 1332278387 588460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332278405 111067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mind you, "for readers" is arguably more important than "featured language".
< 1332278430 598874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that paler green makes the rest of the page look more pastel, paradoxically.
< 1332278501 298230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw i have hunch you won't be able to fit even lighter background versions into 12 bit
< 1332278504 490284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a
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< 1332278545 568424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i was going to derive them from the header values.
< 1332278551 741960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with HSV or something of the sort.
< 1332278566 667958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally the template would do it itself)
< 1332278578 106317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332278613 562502 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, g++ appears to at least partially work.
< 1332278625 165833 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile hello.cc using iostream.
< 1332278901 526000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS3 added HSL color specifications. fcolor uses that in the canvas-drawing for the hue-bar, and maybe something else too.
< 1332279002 334358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the weirdest; the HSL color conversion in CSS3 Color Module is given in ABC, of all the possible languages. Though admittedly it does look kinda pseudo like that.
< 1332279009 673027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Impressive.
< 1332279028 987203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all "HOW TO RETURN" "PUT x IN y".
< 1332279029 580463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously?
< 1332279034 988589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#hsl-color
< 1332279050 676300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS3 work started circa 1999, so wtf?
< 1332279181 281197 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb2.png is meant to convey. Is it minimal distance needed for a color to seem distinct?
< 1332279205 102587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: <fizzie> The second image is trying to indicate that when you pick a color for the logo, its immediate neighbours are then illegal to use anywhere.
< 1332279220 342242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that's kinda "yes".
< 1332279260 437345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the official recommendation is to use colors at least three steps apart, that's just a rule w.r.t. the color chosen for the logo.
< 1332279294 909678 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you want stuff next to each toher if you want something like flames in the background.
< 1332279316 756982 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's stuff that isn't really part of the logo so much as a texture applied to it.
< 1332279347 92141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not something you're allowed to do.
< 1332279371 176120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also three "official" logo colors (116 C, 032 C and 300 C), so if you do what's sorta-recommended and random-select one of those, you either go with 355 C green for the rest, or programmatically select those too.
< 1332279394 482579 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you're talking about, sicne I tohught this was about general logo design.
< 1332279407 27718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's about our university's particular logo.
< 1332279408 669137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Wave University.
< 1332279436 128651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you considered opening an English branch in Mexico?
< 1332279447 489392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mexican Wave University.
< 1332279488 197923 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they neet a logo that consists of untextured some kind of shape?
< 1332279495 10337 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I see the current logo?
< 1332279500 829517 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait dinner or something.
< 1332279565 280455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their logo is top-left of http://www.aalto.fi/fi/; that's just the guidelines on how you use it.
< 1332279572 268653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put all kinds of symbols after it in different colours.
< 1332279589 272805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see they made the site uglier.
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< 1332279952 162614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's three colors and three punctuation characters, ?, ! and ".
< 1332279969 36528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's an irssi script to "aaltofy" text by inserting random punctuation here and there.
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< 1332280196 816604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's up with the front page, there's a blatant violation of the guidelines with a blue ! and a violet bar, even though those are neighbour colours.
< 1332280227 164524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the logo color randomizes, while the page content doesn't.
< 1332280228 770354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude.
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< 1332285884 818849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler is done, but it fails when run in clang, because clang fails to initialize static variables in templates in the right order or something like that
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< 1332286556 746961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think that the compile-time environment is, sadly, more sane than the run-time environment
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< 1332297818 627741 :Methead!~jentozw@217.118.64.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEIRDEST CHEESE - what is it?
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< 1332298127 339628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bye
< 1332299206 690495 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40fef.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns

< 1332299218 353523 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40fef.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really quite today
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< 1332301974 924009 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apt-get update after adding a ppa is in fact a good idea
< 1332301988 515144 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the original program was in the main repo
< 1332302009 5356 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an older version
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< 1332303157 679829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
< 1332304781 533925 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "arxiv" properly pronounced like "arfourteen"?
< 1332304818 959843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "x" is a chi
< 1332304826 71229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice how its capital
< 1332304842 624223 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arΧiv
< 1332304884 374514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :αβγδεζηθικλμνξοπρςστυφχ
< 1332304887 455598 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1332304901 588227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I get for typing random Unicode codepoints into my IRC client to find χ.
< 1332304911 284961 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally typed U+A
< 1332304914 210330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice jorb
< 1332304959 277624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look very random
< 1332304966 912610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha beta gamma
< 1332304971 900559 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's the thing about randomness.
< 1332305352 39482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we reconstructed Turing from the remains of his corpse and frog DNA (a process known as "Turing-completion"). Jurassic Park tells us such a Turing would be able to switch sexes if the situation called for it.
< 1332305388 630533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: Given this possibility, would Turings, as a species, choose to remain male? or would some choose to switch to catch just for the novelty?
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< 1332312489 746411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* X11.
< 1332312541 685278 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :χ11
< 1332312569 448426 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is precisely one way to avoid tearing on X11.
< 1332312577 160180 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGl.
< 1332312615 816833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do otherwise and *don't* tear, it is only because you're getting lucky.
< 1332312627 356290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably not updating the screen often.
< 1332312649 772638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try updating the screen 60 times a second? It'll tear like a mofo.
< 1332312804 667550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hate for X11 has grown 3 sizes this day.
< 1332312945 722417 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about compositing?
< 1332312956 878140 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That either tears or is using OpenGL!
< 1332312964 638891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1332312973 640788 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The composite manager *itself* has to render via X, you know.
< 1332312985 974320 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1332313498 257234 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland can't come fast enough. Then maybe my code using SDL would be reasonable, instead of tearing like crazy.
< 1332313509 46614 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As-is, I need to rewrite it to use OpenGL. :(
< 1332313550 992405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Xv? That's not OpenGL, programs that use it update the screen a lot, and I haven't *noticed* any tearing.
< 1332313569 955571 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice a lot of tearing with it, but maybe that's just AMD.
< 1332313574 465499 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, you either need to use OpenGL or be rendering in a *completely different colorspace*.
< 1332313600 483321 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and BTW, the driver support for it is either reasonable or moronic.
< 1332313608 246966 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, all the cool kids use OpenGL.
< 1332313642 610674 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proprietary AMD drivers, for instance, do the colorspace conversion to RGB in software, don't vsync, *and* don't even do the colorspace conversion right.
< 1332313660 699322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that'd explain things.
< 1332313705 276585 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the free AMD drivers just route it through OpenGL)
< 1332313796 520393 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just to elaborate: your screen is in the RGB colorspace, with color values of 8-bit red, green, and blue samples. Xv does the YUV colorspace, with color values of 8-bit luminance, U chrominance, and V chrominance. And those values are in the range [16..235] rather than [0..255].
< 1332313808 271244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about colorspaces.
< 1332313815 720240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's a regular 8-bits-per-sample packed RGB visual in my xvinfo for the "NV05 Video Blitter" adapter, that's not a different colorspace. (The "NV17 Video Texture" adapter doesn't have one, though.)
< 1332313832 769107 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, you might ask? Because broadcasters are utterly mad and hate programmers.
< 1332313935 693229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No RGB visuals on the "Intel(R) Textured Video". I suppose it's not such a common thing.
< 1332313937 380987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature seems to finally say something decent about Evergreen. Maybe the free drivers are usable nowadays.
< 1332313971 222370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using them for months.
< 1332314004 378512 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About my only complaint is slightly lower FPS in OpenGL, and a bug that only seems to trigger when I try running a Source game in WINE.
< 1332314018 48476 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked, which was probably several months ago, the Evergreen column was too red for my liking.
< 1332314033 102799 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And given that that only even works if you are lucky *anyways*, that's not too big a concern.
< 1332314051 293226 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the power saving i.e. fan loudness?
< 1332314074 734985 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No noticable difference.
< 1332314076 426927 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was one reason to go with the proprietary, for me.
< 1332314085 278246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I've got a desktop system.
< 1332314089 66723 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too.
< 1332314109 815434 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until I start up X, the fan is ridiculously loud.
< 1332314125 731714 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, previously, with the free driver. But maybe I'll give it another shot when I have the time.
< 1332314146 941024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also found that for anything 2D, the free drivers beat the proprietary ones soundly.
< 1332314162 477269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was the case even several months ago. :-P
< 1332314167 117515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, Flash still looks like shit.
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< 1332314738 178898 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e4e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! i need to build a catalog-db storing information associated to any kind of file. neither i want to store any path/adresses nor the files themself, but some kind of a unique identifier (like a checksum). would you recommend any methods (like md5/sha-1 or whatever) when the primary goal is high performance (speed)
< 1332314784 412421 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e4e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a totally different idea then a checksum?
< 1332314802 323807 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e4e4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than
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< 1332316034 403332 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
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< 1332318966 671371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By default, Java Ciphers (at least in Sun's implementations) are constructed in what is called Electronic Codebook (ECB) mode."
< 1332319841 720502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1332321872 567812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/r6idy/inmemory_keyvalue_store_in_c_go_and_python/
< 1332321880 806865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This link has so much to do with Haskell!
< 1332321940 907970 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's about the other three languages that exist other than Haskell.
< 1332321972 679479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's relevant! because "it seems Go's RTS implements things similar to GHC's RTS, which means we could get similar performance in Haskell"
< 1332321988 97128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes!
< 1332322020 274318 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332322038 72833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's relevant because there's the letter H in both Haskell and PytHon.
< 1332322089 228143 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> elliott: Well, it's about the other three languages that exist other than Haskell.
< 1332322097 506268 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ ah, I see it's proposing a problem to be solved by the Haskell community
< 1332322099 476250 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many letters H are there in this here sentence.
< 1332322100 523239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existence of other languages
< 1332322109 47804 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you found all six, you = genius
< 1332322121 511954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE WINNER!
< 1332322144 581806 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (`elem` "Hh") "How many letters H are there in this here sentence."
< 1332322145 429103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "HHhhh"
< 1332322160 4509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Apparently lambdabot is not a genius. :/
< 1332322160 166590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "HHhhh"
< 1332322161 1019 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's not a genius :-(
< 1332322161 162498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1332322170 415727 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you /= genius :-(
< 1332322179 985653 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses his broken compose key.

< 1332322183 668923 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed that first!
< 1332322200 667293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, C and Python versions create one thread per request, but the post also notes "None of my implementations are thread safe"
< 1332322200 904786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :≠ hey there is a sequence for it wow.
< 1332322201 622625 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf used U+EF6614A1 'LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H ALTERNATE NON-PRINTING PRESENTATION FORM'
< 1332322223 528490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "really silent h".
< 1332322226 665501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ filter (`elem` "Hh") "<shachaf> How many letters H are there in this here sentence."
< 1332322227 484001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1332322237 864459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could say "i was using Compose before it was cool" but that was probably 10 years before i was born
< 1332322248 450315 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Compose was always cool.
< 1332322285 194726 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my compose key just broke.
< 1332322292 240883 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because I ran dist-upgrade.
< 1332322306 18237 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to close my X session. :-(
< 1332322318 393123 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I dist-upgraded it warned me that I might have to close my X session.
< 1332322322 240859 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0EF35.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332322327 127049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr durr, "The C and Python versions perform similarly. They are spending all their time in the recv system call."
< 1332322328 551146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebooting X is obsolete
< 1332322336 181816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, OPTIMIZE RECV
< 1332322340 174848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to port ksplice to patch X
< 1332322343 487158 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be Trivial right?
< 1332322358 87869 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solved problem.
< 1332322488 571436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an actual compose key in the Sun keyboard, maybe I should try hooking it up to a regular computer. I'm sure I recall seeing a driver for it in Kconfig and all.
< 1332322524 292995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: We just need IP over ansible.
< 1332322540 571737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fork a new X, send the relevant state over, then let the new process take over all the existing connections
< 1332322547 574489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we can make recv O(1).
< 1332322547 905688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can it be?
< 1332322631 23876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nice concept. We've completely done away with email registrations. Just get the user to like your Facebook page or follow you on twitter. That takes away the additional burden of verification, cause someone's already done it for you. No issues with promotion emails going to the spame folder. Facebook/ Twitter don't have them."
< 1332322646 401726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, someone has invented the most evil method of verification ever.
< 1332322676 645040 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the verification method where...
< 1332322684 576316 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to complete that sentence. :-(
< 1332322700 9997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you have to kill a kitten and send in videographic proof?
< 1332322724 481959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then like them on Facebook?
< 1332322734 458412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332322743 539298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's MARGINALLY more evil.
< 1332322759 156173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill a kitten, share the video on facebook, tag yourself
< 1332322781 635815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just call that Saturday.
< 1332322812 636451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as kill-a-caturday
< 1332323701 929048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332323812 260355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332323818 477804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332324060 138474 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME kmc
< 1332324068 560087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMC: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE
< 1332324093 395168 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1332324110 897248 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU FEEL WELCOMED YET
< 1332324162 551393 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wsdatap/v3r8m1/index.jsp?topic=/xs40/convertingbetweenjsonandjsonx05.htm
< 1332324233 24521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIILKOMMEN AUF DER INTERNATIONALHUB FÜR EZOTERIKPROGRAMMINGSPRACHE DEZIGNUNG UND DEPLÖYMENTZE
< 1332324268 592416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really should've made an uppercase ß.
< 1332324268 835964 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN
< 1332324299 345850 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332324322 682830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/xml-parsing-accelerator-with-intel-streaming-simd-extensions-4-intel-sse4/
< 1332324410 761162 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Pft. IBM will just sell you an XML coprocessor.
< 1332324414 308979 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332324425 374325 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I first learned of this fact from you.
< 1332324432 277148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XML coprocessor" meaning they enable one of the processors already in your zSeries mainframe
< 1332324448 130210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the service of enabling it is cheaper than usual because they tell it to only process XML
< 1332324452 808665 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it runs Java.
< 1332324460 938148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they also sell dedicated rackmount XML processing hardware
< 1332324475 519925 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta process that XML.
< 1332324483 447158 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep fuckin that chicken
< 1332324679 11412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there sort of is one  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%C3%9F
< 1332324698 921953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ẞ
< 1332324699 768383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<no location info>: not an expression: `'
< 1332324709 716586 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, :t doesn't understand unicode
< 1332324711 478181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ẞ
< 1332324712 340456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: data constructor `
< 1332324718 895305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory 'ẞ'
< 1332324719 723379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  UppercaseLetter
< 1332324765 208205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory 'ß'
< 1332324766 78216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  LowercaseLetter
< 1332324780 694048 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1332324784 798986 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dutch hip-hop in Atlanta / Tight new R&B in Estonia / And just another sick American in Yoshinoya"
< 1332324784 960878 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an exciting twist.
< 1332324796 262447 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were expecting LowercaseTwoLetters?
< 1332324820 358110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i accidentally entered the German dictionary twice and now I'm... two letters"
< 1332325053 647431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JSONx is an IBM® standard format to represent JSON as XML." awesome
< 1332325269 103887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1332325279 659923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mad brains are they?
< 1332325308 229982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's invent something so we do not need to parse XML!" 
< 1332325325 19755 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that some people come into #haskell and just don't get it?
< 1332325330 530244 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, cool. We can also display that thing we invented to not use XML in XML so we can parse it as XML!"
< 1332325331 671921 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get... what
< 1332325360 11427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patternmatching with lists?
< 1332325403 899180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uppercase ß is SS
< 1332325404 589782 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just know the syntax well enough that I get annoyed at people for not seeing the obvious which isn't really obvious, or something.
< 1332325427 512824 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like there've been a large number of people who've come into the channel and kept asking little variations on the same question.
< 1332325451 631069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called homework
< 1332325462 895420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t (\[x:xs] -> undefined)
< 1332325463 684979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `:'
< 1332325468 91150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1332325469 998198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>help
< 1332325478 533301 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called it's nearly spring break and they gotta pass finals or midtterms or some shit
< 1332325512 832003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (\[x:xs] -> undefined)
< 1332325513 624121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t a. [[t]] -> a
< 1332325530 977085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't derive it from the syntax at least ghci can tell you .
< 1332325555 695642 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's it. How do you make a channel where people don't ask you to do their homework?
< 1332325586 778380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a language so obscure nobody teaches it in school
< 1332325593 699621 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/join #agda
< 1332325600 730335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada!
< 1332325624 23769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, but that's just boring. The thing kmc linked to is much better, and in fact a bit like whatI thought it'd be.
< 1332325652 540404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are germans in mexico, germans in mexico, taking over tonight, falling in love with your daughter
< 1332325655 19300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ss, no?
< 1332325659 13724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally discovered there was such a thing as uppercase schwa recently
< 1332325666 170935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, debatable; I've seen SS more commonly
< 1332325692 623175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing everybody deutsche deutsche vaya con Dios amigos
< 1332325694 734578 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332325704 266596 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5B0
< 1332325717 303115 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5Bְ0
< 1332325722 566237 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5Bְ0ְ
< 1332325726 800210 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, crazy, man.
< 1332325729 898995 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to that 0?
< 1332325736 926442 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332325793 338834 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads core(5) manpage

< 1332325814 928865 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an ad hoc list of 7 different situations where corefiles will not be created, for security
< 1332325819 872051 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great
< 1332325826 460097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 100% sure they thought of them all
< 1332325894 562284 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What would you prefer?
< 1332325913 735587 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332325914 213138 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1332325914 375567 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332325930 739682 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitelisting > blacklisting
< 1332325936 997939 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0EF35.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux kernel is not an esolang
< 1332325945 431869 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a confused deputy problem here too
< 1332325950 156680 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how whitelisting would be different in this situation.
< 1332325960 196903 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a bunch of predicates for what makes a core file "safe".
< 1332325977 589937 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it would be more conservative, e.g. corefiles only created in a particular directory or something
< 1332325983 413495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i don't have a specific proposal
< 1332326009 983913 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think the canonical ancient example of a confused deputy is something akin to dumping core
< 1332326038 143117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/ConfusedDeputy.html
< 1332326063 65208 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a linux exploit some years back which involved getting a setuid program to dump core in /etc/crontab.d/
< 1332326104 394075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out cron will ignore "malformed lines" in a crontab
< 1332326124 881402 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by "malformed lines" we mean most of an ELF coredump file
< 1332326132 741210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute.
< 1332327496 26603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun fact: Verity turned out to have capability security by accident
< 1332327501 41803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't put it in there deliberately, it just happened
< 1332327525 789583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/r5dxn/please_critique_my_very_simple_bmi_calculator/ <- srsly
< 1332327600 521592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1332327618 485107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, capability security is more about /not/ doing certain things, really
< 1332327641 227457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to light up an LED? someone has to pass you a function that lets you do that
< 1332327661 150117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a linker where you just do "import <library>" and it'll automatically set up the required calls behind the scenes, though
< 1332327805 128253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, what's the equivalent of "bibliography" for programming languages?
< 1332327837 371133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what exactly do you mean by that? I can think of two possible meanings and am having problems expressing either of them
< 1332327893 483315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what would you title the list of languages created by a person?
< 1332327902 516987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, catseye uses "Lingography"
< 1332327903 246318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that wasn't either of them
< 1332327914 810726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can go with catseye's version, I think
< 1332327920 814831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(What is a "lingography", you ask? Well, if bands have discographies and directors have filmographies...)" -- right, possibly I should have listed more examples of the form
< 1332327997 60197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I realised [[Chris Pressey]] should probably have a comprehensive list of the languages we have articles on)
< 1332328006 153728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332328021 673020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ideally I should include /all/ the esolangs he's created, so we have some nice redlinks, but that involves sorting his esoteric languages from his non-esoteric ones
< 1332328026 732460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably impossible
< 1332328235 765943 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43dc9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332328294 412475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, cpressey's favourite esolangs are Homespring, Muriel, and Please Porige Hot
< 1332328297 202874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an unusual list
< 1332328315 747175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously?
< 1332328322 699620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I like Homespring and Muriel too
< 1332328323 966464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are my favourite esolangs, you ask? Well, the three I listed earlier (Homespring, Muriel, and Please Porige Hot) hold special places in my heart. The favourite esolangs of my own is a much harder question to answer. I will say that, in terms of striking a balance between "challenge to code in" and "beauty", I think Mascarpone is one of my best. That doesn't necessarily mean it's my favourite, though."
< 1332328328 876841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://catseye.tc/cpressey/retrospective.html)
< 1332328358 81392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I should start using Homespring rather than Haifu as an example of a good thematic language
< 1332328364 900344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both are, but Homespring is better
< 1332328370 133362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, HOMESPRING
< 1332328376 253931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an acronym, after all
< 1332328390 365797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, HOtMEfSPRIbNG
< 1332328398 245877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Homespring or HOtMEfSPRIbNG
< 1332328399 914987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the expanded version
< 1332328443 119934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the "documentation" link on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Homespring demands a password
< 1332328449 208373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives an email address to ask for the password if you don't know it
< 1332328489 216173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bizarre
< 1332328507 565858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also documentation in the esoteric files archive, though
< 1332328513 376909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332328520 777045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering if i should just remove the link
< 1332328526 889101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's hilarious
< 1332328651 205346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Okapi is a language I designed as a present for my true love. In it, the only means of control flow is throwing exceptions, and as if this wasn't enough, there are two restrictions on exceptions that are thrown — they must be divide-by-zero exceptions, and they must be caught in a lexically enclosing block. Nor is there any facility to "retry" after an exception is caught. The language is nonetheless Turing-complete."
< 1332328661 523497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were more details than that available, that's amazing
< 1332328793 826642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, I believe an Eightebed-like language can avoid having most of a garbage collector and still not leak memory
< 1332328804 681327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are Linux DEs like nowadays?
< 1332328823 908810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: hmm... or at the very least, avoid running the garbage collector machinery more than once in e.g. 2^64 allocations
< 1332328831 24150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which ones?
< 1332328837 418115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of them
< 1332328844 574431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on Gnome 2, but I'm going to have to upgrade eventually
< 1332328852 549628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am wondering if there are any I'll find usable
< 1332328864 503270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I consider Windows 7 usable; not on default settings, but it only requires small changes)
< 1332328886 939579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly likely you'll find Xfce tolerable. I'm happy with xmonad.
< 1332328899 142414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME and KDE haven't spontaneously fixed themselves, obviously
< 1332328910 58909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, I was rather hoping they would
< 1332328923 814160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, that someone had got gnome-panel working properly in gnome 3
< 1332328928 351084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'd want, really
< 1332328950 852924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gnome 3 does have a gnome-panel, the "fallback" mode
< 1332328952 547413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's much worse
< 1332328954 899772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the applications, use the old window manager and panel application
< 1332328958 545842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'd heard that
< 1332328972 415926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy idea: is it possible to use gnome 2's gnome-panel in gnome 3?
< 1332329019 530531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll try Unity first, and probably decide I don't like it
< 1332329022 996099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then KDE
< 1332329060 205859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just try Xfce first?
< 1332329065 30624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically gnome 2
< 1332329092 225235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess trying the options that you expect not to succeed first is likely to produce a better decision in the end
< 1332329102 198137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that I used an earlier version of KDE 4 for a while
< 1332329107 659463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was mostly usable
< 1332329404 600501 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332329514 114771 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0EF35.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only means of control flow is throwing exceptions < has he mentioned whether it's just prolog
< 1332329630 756878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fail isn't really quite the same thing as an exception, although they're similar
< 1332329635 998313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a cut is not the same thing as an exception at all
< 1332329645 482721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a nonlocal cut is not at all related
< 1332329685 671001 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0EF35.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize, i just think they're similar ideas.
< 1332329718 600832 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0EF35.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you visit an AST and backtrack.
< 1332329759 765149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to implement fails as exceptions
< 1332329778 879568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was showing my students how to do that in Java, for if they wanted to write a parser that wasn't LL(1)
< 1332329792 519004 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing bout throwing excpetions is that you can decide how to handle them in the calling routine
< 1332329800 86004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was a surprisingly possible thing, as they had to write a parser, and had been shown how to write LL(1) parsers which was sufficient for the exercise)
< 1332329931 541233 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which enables you to provide fair encapsulation of your libs
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< 1332330168 881809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: don't all error handling mechanisms do that?
< 1332330182 618863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332330399 654665 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not sure about this, because i don't know them _all_
< 1332330500 86592 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a difference between just handling a return value (in which you also can place an errorcode or sth) and throwing an exception
< 1332330552 782384 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a greater difference between handling a possible error _inside_ of the function/class
< 1332330581 108205 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the exception
< 1332330778 135258 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the return value and an exeption _can_ have a different type, which allows you pass valueable information inside the exception-object
< 1332330817 224157 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332331150 890116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I forgot about the antipattern where when anything goes wrong, you print it to stdout and keep on going
< 1332331180 483967 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1332331883 851785 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets keep things simple for an easy example: imagine i use one of your classes (i don't care how they work ;) in which a method needs to open a file. for the case the file does not exist you could throw a FileNotExists exception (or sth) allowing me to decide how to handle it; i could retry with another file or depending on the runmode write a log or whatever (not so when you handle it by your own)
< 1332331989 495562 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could check the permissions and throw a FilePermissionNotAllowed Exception allowing me to handle it another way
< 1332332054 130460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't related to exceptions. Returning an error code has the same behaviour.
< 1332332064 449991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exceptions do is propagate automatically.
< 1332332126 57370 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when FileNotExists Exception and FilePermissionNotAllowed Exception both inherit from Exception (which at least has an errorcode and errormessage), i can just handle the base class properties and output them .. halt the program ..and and and
< 1332332363 607400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currying#Example_in_Java + Java 8 = http://p.zem.fi/m0yi
< 1332332381 346108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more step and it's pretty much Haskell, right, guys? 
< 1332332387 985798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And non-guys.)
< 1332332485 872122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar monads
< 1332332486 772511 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332332512 157328 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't add three numbers in Haskell without using at least five monads
< 1332332514 23117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that
< 1332332515 821266 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but its absolutely not what java is written for. ugly
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< 1332332721 803362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some unfathomable reason the horrible Java thing is the only example in the article. Based on the talk page there's been a whole pile of them, earlier.
< 1332332969 128702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wikipedians love piling on ten thousand language examples.
< 1332332987 600733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Examples
< 1332333028 971468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Java example in Currying is terrible though, how bad must the other examples have been for that to be the one spared?
< 1332333058 598582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the history it seems that first the "Profusion of examples" (to quote talk page title) was removed, and then recently-ish that one was added, perhaps because there were no examples.
< 1332333095 368242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also seems that from 16 Dec to 12 Mar the Java example that was there was a broken one.
< 1332333110 277815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!-- NB: creating a bunch of threads does not constitute a forkbomb, it must somehow call the system's fork() function! -->
< 1332333115 155393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO THE FUCK IS ADDING COMMENTS TO THIS SHIT
< 1332333132 602921 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :const int main[] = { 14776, 3942977280, 247 };
< 1332333171 265682 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sorry, that won't win you the IOCCC any more.
< 1332333177 565863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332333181 577348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the example that's written "in C standard library"; not e.g. using the library, but in it.
< 1332333185 835640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332333226 809030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the majority of revisions are messing with the examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fork_bomb&action=history
< 1332333236 969734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite a list.
< 1332333237 131427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia, everybody!
< 1332333260 655564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news: people waste time on the internet
< 1332333268 920458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, you KILLED it.
< 1332333276 274605 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :film at 11, just after cute videos of a cat and before some more cute videos of a cat
< 1332333297 785799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For the second time. The last time I did so when it came up in here, another person in the channel decided to revert-war to keep it.
< 1332333305 343119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping you'd stay silent. :'(
< 1332333331 464218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is the film cats?
< 1332333336 152553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me the film is cats.
< 1332333354 657120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: BTW, I believe an Eightebed-like language can avoid having most of a garbage collector and still not leak memory  <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: hmm... or at the very least, avoid running the garbage collector machinery more than once in e.g. 2^64 allocations
< 1332333383 544863 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ... I disagree?
< 1332333394 873980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fork Fork Bomb fork fork fork fork wabbit" -- http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork%E7%82%B8%E5%BC%B9
< 1332333399 578851 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how does your forbomb even work? It says "Illegal instruction" on my machine
< 1332333410 399965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it's for amd64 Linux specifically
< 1332333431 540565 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only runs on his washing machine
< 1332333439 862990 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok. I am using PPC 7450 Mac OS X
< 1332333440 875847 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which it's an array of three 4-byte little endian integers
< 1332333474 582968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How about this: You represent every pointer as (realptr, id). Whenever an allocation is made, the global id counter is incremented by one, stored just before the allocated memory, and returned with the pointer. Whenever you dereference a pointer, it checks that the identifier matches that of the pointer's; if it doesn't, it safely fails. Whenever the id counter is about to wrap-around, you do the standard GC thing to reassign all
< 1332333474 744444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the identifiers.
< 1332333479 648387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write it down as such and then decode the bytes as amd64 machine code, you get
< 1332333499 957293 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo:  mov $0x39, %eax;  syscall;  jmp foo
< 1332333506 83263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0x39 is the syscall number for fork()
< 1332333507 492497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Admittedly that just puts off the problem :P
< 1332333550 453481 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it's just making the dereference checkable.
< 1332333552 718835 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the array is 'const' because many distros forbid executing writable memory (unless you explicitly ask to)
< 1332333564 77593 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fewer (but still some) forbid executing read-only data
< 1332333577 703805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Sure, or you could do the same "if valid" thing as Eightebed does.
< 1332333591 306827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or define the dereferencing of an invalidated pointer to always return 0, or whatever; point is, no corruption.
< 1332333640 453853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Actually this is basically the same as never freeing any memory and GCing when you run out, except that the resource to run out of increases much slower, because it's independent of the allocation size.
< 1332333651 952284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, doesn't truly solve the problem :P
< 1332333662 783928 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wrapping around is a bigger issue than you've let on, it actually has to rewrite all existing IDs.
< 1332333673 761008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said.
< 1332333676 487802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever the id counter is about to wrap-around, you do the standard GC thing to reassign all
< 1332333679 137770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott>  the identifiers.
< 1332333688 381651 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I slightly misunderstood.
< 1332333690 327573 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right right.
< 1332333711 458878 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, is that more a GC than the previous strategy?
< 1332333718 369108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rarer but stronger GC :P
< 1332333773 237663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK, my next idea is that you don't have any global counter. Memory is write-once: you allocate a slab of memory, populate it (under restricted conditions), and then freeze it, which is when you get a pointer back. That pointer comes bundled with a cryptographic hash of the data. When you dereference it, it checks the data matches the hash, and when you free it, it's released to be reused as normal.
< 1332333784 692595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Now corruption is just rare! (Rare = probability 1)
< 1332333833 711675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: More seriously, I'm PRETTY sure you could solve it with linear types or the like.
< 1332333840 929254 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Haskell people and your solving problems with immutability.
< 1332333881 488695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: In fact it's pretty much the problem all the applications of linear logic to programming are designed to solve :P
< 1332333891 975203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. deterministic, explicit resource allocation with safety.
< 1332333897 313826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332333921 590236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332333927 735580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332334071 346616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332334081 72871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Methead> WEIRDEST CHEESE - what is it?
< 1332334087 874225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it (provably) true that any function can be curried? For example, I'd expect that y = f(a,b) = ((a+b) / (a*b)) could not be curried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 23:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
< 1332334090 334092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK THIS SHOULD NOW BE MORE CLEAR
< 1332334406 464222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332334407 504600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Try updating the screen 60 times a second? It'll tear like a mofo. <-- i always knew the path of programming was full of tears.
< 1332334437 688357 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332334441 758267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day
< 1332334444 366545 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabot :(
< 1332334467 467158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "I disagree."
< 1332334467 628715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1332334468 279364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  I disagree.
< 1332334487 382357 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, not good enough.
< 1332334519 170929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey how do you add articles to your WP watchlist. do i have to use the raw interface? it doesn't have the "watch" link in the dropdown next to view history like Esolang does...
< 1332334537 323305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the star button
< 1332334553 107415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. duh.
< 1332334590 626095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a checkbox when you edit.
< 1332334619 562454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i knew that, but didn't have any edits to make :)
< 1332334631 691157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought i'd mention.
< 1332334675 376941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a bit confused when it initially changed to a star too
< 1332334729 658817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, how does [[Befunge]] still exist?
< 1332334739 388475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hard time believing it meets any notability standard.
< 1332334752 108396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... the citations are the Jargon File, and an Esolang talk page.
< 1332334757 762171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an /Esolang talk page/.
< 1332334766 813253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"however, it has been shown that Befunge-93 is Turing Complete with unbounded stack word size"
< 1332334776 821349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not original research, it was published on another wiki's talk page!
< 1332334790 987342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey we do _science_ on esolang!
< 1332334799 366934 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Befunge-93 language is, unlike most machine languages, not Turing-complete"
< 1332334806 203262 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What planet are these people living on?
< 1332334893 591841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could add http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2009/09/08/two-dimensional-pathology-befunge/
< 1332334921 503978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay now i have 10 pages on my watchlist.
< 1332334945 154170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't think adding a citation to a blog will bolster the notability case :P
< 1332334950 929482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although maybe good math, bad math is prominent enough for it to.
< 1332334962 703927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am rather sceptical that Befunge /is/ notable, anyway
< 1332334975 108472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure is no table.
< 1332334988 875949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _may_ have more, but it's quite an eclectic bunch.  i have [[Gorse]] and [[Ben Murphy]] as a result of some spammer who hit them once...
< 1332335032 900898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok but the good math/bad math features were probably some of our best exposition
< 1332335042 844371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumed oerjan must have hundreds of pages on his watchlist.

< 1332335050 306530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I keep hearing "oh yes, I have it on my watchlist" :P
< 1332335055 216857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he rarely linked to the wiki, iirc
< 1332335115 579975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh
< 1332335221 507772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 pages, apparently
< 1332335244 204317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish you could somehow watchlist a page and every page "like" it.
< 1332335256 946459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, it would watchlist that page and every page it links to that shares a certain number of categories, or such
< 1332335281 553557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could just manually watch a few central pages and have the rest filter through.
< 1332335316 606838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the simpler version of that is just watching every article in a certain wikiproject.
< 1332335375 59677 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332335469 274080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm about the featured esolang process. would it be better if no language suggested last time could be suggested post-clearing? rather than just not by the same person
< 1332335486 902384 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332335488 958758 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f21b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332335491 729199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that has the problem that people might propose a large fraction of the good esolangs on a particularly active list and thus starve the following list of candidates.
< 1332335503 312232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh it'd stop the same suggestions coming up again and again and promote some diversity.
< 1332335567 36810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1332336090 878835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<HackEgo> KMC: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE
< 1332336095 903605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINK STILL NOT WORKING
< 1332336279 142073 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should write a step by step tutorial on howto implement an esoteric language, so maybe someone less susceptible to forces of the one ring may show up and breed something completely new fresh and different
< 1332336317 298150 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just open the gates
< 1332336359 848138 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪
< 1332336425 915447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement or create
< 1332336429 818708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. DON'T USE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING AS COMMANDS: +-<>.,[] 2. DON'T USE COMMANDS MEANING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: INCREMENT, DECREMENT, READ CHARACTER/BYTE, WRITE CHARACTER/BYTE, BEGIN LOOP, END LOOP, MOVE LEFT, MOVE RIGHT 3. DON'T USE A TAPE OR ARRAY AS YOUR MAIN STORAGE.
< 1332336435 798184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does that about cover it?
< 1332336436 961009 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :create
< 1332336447 593042 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implement
< 1332336457 167122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: like a step-by-step guide on how to create a beautiful painting.
< 1332336468 37052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a brilliant composition.
< 1332336470 275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang by numbers
< 1332336477 626872 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more on how to make a pencil and get some colors
< 1332336481 981886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs for dummies :D
< 1332336485 136944 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332336488 586517 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1332336516 858482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: does that about cover it?
< 1332336543 836317 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you forgot "if you do any of these things just kill yourself and save us the bother".
< 1332336550 376680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1332336557 683503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip david morgan mar
< 1332336572 295968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey he killed himself already.  twice.
< 1332336722 539856 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1332336796 555531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> ais523: Ss, no? <-- since it doesn't actually occur at the start of words it would probably always be all caps, so SS as ais523 says
< 1332336800 327557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wiped out quite a few people; especially the second bit, which implicated every language that has a command like "increment" or "begin loop".
< 1332336832 598509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yay i am now the second-top editor on esolang :P
< 1332336837 922295 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332336841 968264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ah, yes, of course
< 1332336857 661725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could be merciful and say that most non-BF derivatives wouldn't really do that with instructions.
< 1332336896 627326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have gnuplot, and a big ol' sorted list of numbers; what's the minimum necessary gnuplot incantations I need to know to plot the distribution?
< 1332336904 737692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see what Esolang's distribution of edit counts looks like.
< 1332336945 433103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ho-hum, so did you want gnuplot to compute the histogram for you? 
< 1332336956 123901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I don't really care, I just want something that looks sciency.
< 1332337038 865504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm that _is_ a point, we shouldn't have rules that exclude Deadfish.
< 1332337063 245034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you have something like "1 1 1 2 3 4 5 5 5 5 5 5", do you want to have 5 points at heights 3, 1, 1, 1 and 6, respectively? 
< 1332337104 320118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know what a histogram is. (Except the ranges are going to have to be bigger than that, considering how tiny the data is. :p)
< 1332337328 65271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs a bit of manual fiddling, but something like   plot "your.data" using (floor($1)):(1) smooth freq with boxes
< 1332337348 167125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want wider-than-1 bins, K*floor($1/K).
< 1332337355 478824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on.
< 1332337360 579654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What manual fiddling would that be, roughly?
< 1332337371 866612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, btw.
< 1332337443 738224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~$ mysql esolang_wiki <<< 'select user_editcount from user order by user_editcount desc' >editcounts
< 1332337443 935713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay.
< 1332337470 693722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just mean that you need to manually convert your numbers from x into (z,1) where 'z' is the bin center for that point; the 'using' spec achieves that. (And then "smooth freq" means it sums up all points with identical 'x' coordinates.)
< 1332337577 634936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aww. That produces exceedingly boring results thanks to the sheer number of 0s.
< 1332337600 833967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get some logarithms or something? :p
< 1332337647 38892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, or you could just ignore the 0s by setting the viewport suitably.
< 1332337665 274760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot [xmin:xmax] [ymin:ymax] "your.data" ... sets the area which it draws.
< 1332337700 96026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, err, I guess you'll need to change the "using" spec if you want 0s to end up in a bin of their own.
< 1332337712 752944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the thing is that I'm grouping them into bins of 50. And ignoring all users with 50 or less edits will result in... few users.
< 1332337767 976806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Though if you group into bins of 50, you will in any case only have a single number for "<50".
< 1332337812 727052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes.
< 1332337818 31573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could just grep -v out the 0s from the raw data.
< 1332337828 238002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can gnuplot take data from a shell line? :p
< 1332337889 459027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could plot  using (50*floor(($1-1)/50)+26):(1):(20)  so that 0 ends up in a single bar (at -24), and 1..50 are in one bar at 26, and 51..100 in another, and so on.
< 1332337967 459160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file name '-' is special, but I can't quite recall how it was special.
< 1332337971 150321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That results in a slightly less boring box. I think I want to increase the size of the bins as the numbers get larger, or something, since otherwise it's all going to clump into basically one bin.
< 1332337971 421201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> And of course the majority of revisions are messing with the examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fork_bomb&action=history
< 1332337984 385300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you don't realize is that the examples _are_ a fork bomb
< 1332337989 370851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1332338069 342817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do log() for natural log in the using line, but you'd need to calculate the proper constants if you want some particular bin edges.
< 1332338155 614714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, science is hard.
< 1332338181 238282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM has the best wiki picture ever
< 1332338192 219613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332338201 232134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just plot the editcounts as-is. :p
< 1332338212 520250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see harry potter behind him
< 1332338231 717872 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run apropos www-browser
< 1332338234 889035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1332338322 740689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332338344 14639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apropos of nothing
< 1332338346 264117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1332338366 943176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who knows what nick Gregor currently uses should poke him about that.
< 1332338383 485968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's broken.
< 1332338394 93510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is currently TodPunk.
< 1332338404 986848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332338406 53574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it azaq23?
< 1332338415 725644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, definitely Sgeo.
< 1332338415 929011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One alternative is to start octave and then do  d = load("your.data"); hist(d, [0 logspace(1, max, n)]);  -- that will produce a histogram with bins where there's a bin at 0, and then 'n' more bins with centers between 1 .. 'max', logarithmically spaced.
< 1332338429 79523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You forgot step 0: install Octave.
< 1332338441 236974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably works in MATLAB too. :p
< 1332338442 471065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Octave.

< 1332338449 671386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Octave uses FLTK. Or one of its dependencies does.
< 1332338492 903597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's the plotting. I think it has supported several things.
< 1332338513 602479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The polish on Octave's plotting system is... slightly lacking, compared to MATLAB. You do get some windows, but that's about it.
< 1332338540 921909 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not one of the people that were named
< 1332338542 699760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can use gnuplot. Or so sayeth the optional dependencies list; "alternative plotting".
< 1332338551 113000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :azaq23: Are you SURE?
< 1332338564 759546 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for "azaq23"
< 1332338568 298850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:1> d = load("editcounts")
< 1332338568 464185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: load: failed to read matrix from file `editcounts'
< 1332338571 777207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work, fizzie. :(
< 1332338577 998685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked for *my* data.
< 1332338585 929089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the file like? Anything extra in there? 
< 1332338592 338713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the first line is "user_editcount".
< 1332338594 241371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is probably: why.
< 1332338594 403053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just plain numbers, one per line, should work.
< 1332338599 601489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder how gnuplot managed to plot it.
< 1332338613 350306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some smarts about automatically skipping header-looking things.
< 1332338625 2617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:2> hist(d, [0 logspace(1, max, n)]);
< 1332338625 203923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Invalid call to max.  Correct usage is:
< 1332338625 204116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Loadable Function:  max (X)
< 1332338625 204223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Loadable Function:  max (X, Y)
< 1332338625 204333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Loadable Function:  max (X, [], DIM)
< 1332338625 515467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Loadable Function:  max (X, Y, DIM)
< 1332338627 506469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Loadable Function: [W, IW] = max (X)
< 1332338629 515330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUT TUT, as they say.
< 1332338639 975420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was "max" as in "put some value there". :p
< 1332338644 560550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put max(d) in.
< 1332338661 351252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you need to specify an 'n'.
< 1332338688 866937 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
< 1332338694 350993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't probably widen the bars when plotting, so it might look a bit silly.
< 1332338731 789387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that fails horribly.
< 1332338744 141734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CINY Many errors like this.
< 1332338761 312662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gugh.
< 1332338774 9232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a chart with one point at 0 and some very improbable things on the axes (e.g. 1e+212).
< 1332338817 935516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try saying backend("fltk") first.
< 1332338854 184148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`backend' undefined
< 1332338856 947672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: backend': not found
< 1332338866 376458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:16> available_backends
< 1332338866 537878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =
< 1332338866 538107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [1,1] = fltk [1,2] = gnuplot
< 1332338866 538236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1332338910 162580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`available_backends' undefined
< 1332338912 394231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: available_backends': not found
< 1332338918 624241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just weird.
< 1332338923 356008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Octave 3.2.4 that we have here, for the record.
< 1332338928 488027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.1
< 1332338936 25488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obviously too new. :p
< 1332338949 321012 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db426ca.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332339003 883498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that "available_backends" a 2D array?
< 1332339011 93268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those indices look rather weird
< 1332339065 331149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an 1x2 cell array, yes.
< 1332339088 548095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if octave treats all cell arrays as at least two-dimensional, though.
< 1332339104 831795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently it's available_graphics_toolkits() nowadays.
< 1332339114 501432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fltk, gnuplot
< 1332339126 989808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe graphics_toolkit("fltk") will then work.
< 1332339131 204553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it you are trying to plot?
< 1332339158 599856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edit count distribution histogram with logscale on the X axis, I think.
< 1332339166 286237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the esolang wiki?
< 1332339178 919089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332339199 734063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't gnuplot do the job? Pretty sure there are logscale options in there
< 1332339221 190693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just getting it to do the summing involved for a histogram is quite a manual job.
< 1332339234 647213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1332339336 631732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, no.
< 1332339347 391527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did a bad.
< 1332339353 219472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1332339368 833294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You want hist(d, [0 logspace(0, log(max(d)), n)]) or some-such.
< 1332339375 720018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as I switch back to gnuplot to try and plot the raw data with some exponentially axes. :p
< 1332339377 437827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okies.
< 1332339409 921654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That still produces some fairly improbable axes.
< 1332339421 647565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4e+07 and the like.
< 1332339430 265013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, log10(max(d)).
< 1332339430 426868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki has been very active
< 1332339476 637156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how I managed to forget the thing where logspace(a, b) means "from 10^a to 10^b except if b is pi".
< 1332339483 692240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we now have a featured article!
< 1332339492 417541 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does it mean if b is pi?
< 1332339495 27136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, one?
< 1332339505 753822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then it means "from 10^a to pi".
< 1332339511 794185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only got up and running this week
< 1332339520 382605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why?
< 1332339521 987610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it must be the single single- or double-precision float that's closest to pi.
< 1332339529 40954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not article!
< 1332339529 886714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :language
< 1332339534 681391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok
< 1332339535 484214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For compatibility with MATLAB 'logspace' function.
< 1332339552 754399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, that... "works".
< 1332339554 789214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just raises the new question: Why does MATLAB do it that way?
< 1332339589 798123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's put it this way: if we had a superb, Wikipedia-featured-article-level article on Snack, would you want it to be featured on the main page as exemplary?
< 1332339592 927416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "y = logspace(a,pi) generates the points between 10^a and pi, which is useful for digital signal processing where frequencies over this interval go around the unit circle."
< 1332339598 637445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332339600 156781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a rather curiously specific application.
< 1332339624 47286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you actually want from 10^a to 10^pi ?
< 1332339628 967211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The problem now is that it still looks like a really tall line and then a tiny pile of moss surrounded in a sea of nothingness. :p
< 1332339670 859880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science: too hard.
< 1332339672 388262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly you just then add an epsilon to it or something.
< 1332339673 683612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't that what the logarithmic bit is supposed to deal with?
< 1332339678 365489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe some April :P
< 1332339686 191134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and surely you could nest it in another logspace call
< 1332339719 128340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ------------------------�
< 1332339724 529491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, we have much better _jokes_ than that still
< 1332339733 38879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: wat
< 1332339749 867386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can always try doing set(gca,'yscale','log') after the plot to see if it's any better.
< 1332339756 599420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its my plotting of the function
< 1332339771 535730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That blanks the entire chart.
< 1332339785 969363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: axis: omitting non-positive data in log plot
< 1332339799 443413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, non-positive edit counts?
< 1332339814 55531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, that's impressive. I guess it doesn't like the negative infinities that the bars have.
< 1332339815 128602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean zero?
< 1332339817 56795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION relatedly recalls that the Wumo comic has both a best of week and worst of week link.  sometimes they are the same comic.

< 1332339826 326354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1332339854 334586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1332339905 359660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want just an outline of the shape with logscale y, try  [y,x] = hist(...); semilogy(x,y);  or something.
< 1332339906 138142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sometimes/frequently NSF[WL])
< 1332339950 163137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I just hire you to science it?
< 1332339958 69869 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should eat
< 1332339963 35392 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is up early for reasons

< 1332339992 911833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it looks boring, then it looks boring. But if you want to dump the numbers somewhere, I can take a look, except only after some three hours or so. I'll have to go do a thing soon, first.
< 1332340022 146112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't I have to ANONYMISE THEM for PRIVACY or something?!?!?!??!
< 1332340024 36700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like Netflix.
< 1332340027 149820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoflix.
< 1332340095 340049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _technically_ all the information is publically available, isn't it?  just not conveniently.
< 1332340101 898888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, yes.
< 1332340128 572595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's also not tied to the user IDs, so there's very little privacy being violated. :p
< 1332340137 466928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332340159 619875 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4f49d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332340197 89989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you know. *Someone* has 1901 edits.
< 1332340201 929983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you?
< 1332340214 965301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That violates oerjan's privacy by revealing the number, even if the fact that it's oerjan's edit count isn't revealed at all.
< 1332340219 913263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332340220 74613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, oerjan?
< 1332340221 881952 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DC66.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332340223 166738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOCKING
< 1332340237 238417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be irresponsible of me to reveal that data, therefore, as it would be a serious violation of oerjan's trust.
< 1332340239 219354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER DO THAT
< 1332340263 70669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, if I wanted to be malicious I'd start logging all your passwords or something. Er, did I say something?
< 1332340280 65635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nothing at all.
< 1332340287 131327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1332340293 360798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you tried the technic mod pack for minecraft?
< 1332340295 797758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, folks, never use the same password on multiple sites!
< 1332340301 155504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No.
< 1332340311 282943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1332340366 918239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling oerjan reuses passwords.
< 1332340380 272469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine why.
< 1332340380 911052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of cool, but the main problem is that towards the mid game you are 1) want resources 2) have tools that can do significant damage to the landscape. Which means that whatever place you decide to mine at will end up looking like a wasteland.
< 1332340458 750061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you realise didn't look so good next to your nice house
< 1332340488 738455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Church encoding (aka Visitor Pattern)"
< 1332340497 214804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh?
< 1332340503 817945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1332340505 418468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a sound policy: i reuse a _different_ password for net banking and public services.  the kind that just yesterday managed to give thousands of people access to a single person's tax reporting account.
< 1332340538 34887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, does mediawiki store passwords hashed?
< 1332340595 203121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1332340598 148473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not terribly well.
< 1332340600 149178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hash?
< 1332340601 280431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hashed, and salted.
< 1332340605 731814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5. But it's salted.
< 1332340612 596519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1332340633 545564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday was supposed to be the day of the year most people in norway can start doing tax reports, and the system is generally horribly flaky that day.)
< 1332340639 757097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: These are the (length-sorted) lines you've said in my logs where there's just ten or more A's and nothing else: http://p.zem.fi/ca24
< 1332340641 685884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think I only reused passwords once in recent years, and that is the same local login passwords to a couple of old, rarely used computers I have. Mostly use them for when I happen to need serial ports
< 1332340645 404416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reports via the internet
< 1332340663 563228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, net banking and password?
< 1332340664 513443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1332340669 536121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's surprisingly
< 1332340674 73377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you use hard certificates over there?
< 1332340680 922794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a password + a hard certificate.
< 1332340684 179114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
< 1332340714 48901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fizzie: that's surprisingly few
< 1332340730 924697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since the channel started?
< 1332340745 336602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, since you started logging)
< 1332340764 488155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A hard certificate? Really?
< 1332340772 48169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it should be. It could be missing some.
< 1332340776 151531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not aware of those being widespread.
< 1332340818 57377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for bank? Usually using challenge response. Like you get a code on screen, enter it into a small device with a keypad, and enter your personal code, then get a reply code back and enter it on the login screen
< 1332340835 839910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just have boring passwords and one-time password lists.
< 1332340850 282979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case I need my bank card in the device for it to work, the device itself is not user-specific
< 1332340857 517879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think some bank had some sort of a beta test of a device.
< 1332340861 730126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, not "usually".
< 1332340868 201804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately nobody does that.
< 1332340903 845235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was using it in a general sense: it's a small device into which my bank/visa card enters and then you push a button and it gives a series of digits.
< 1332340910 828082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember that a few years back there was a lot of articles in the news papers about the bad security with one time code pads and such and that prompted most banks to switch to hard certificates
< 1332340919 323371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oerjan: From the glogbot logs: http://sprunge.us/HOZC
< 1332340937 564865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe in Scandinavia. It's just passwords + security question here.
< 1332340941 830188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so not challenge response?
< 1332340951 221567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weird
< 1332340954 212158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks rather similar.
< 1332340970 658963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few more.
< 1332340980 199990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see what the point of an involved security system for your online banking is if you use a credit card.
< 1332340995 678589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like leaving the door open but reinforcing your windows with unobtanium.
< 1332341002 147406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no.  no information passes from the web to the device.
< 1332341012 834634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the chipsets are supposed to be safer than the old magnetic strip thingy
< 1332341042 914439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're announcing some new system to replace that, anyhow.  _before_ this we just had a card with a heap of one-time numbers on it.
< 1332341054 290481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advertising
< 1332341059 861375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ?! Dude, it's not the cards themselves that are the problem.
< 1332341077 366168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nowdays it is all chipsets in Sweden. They passed a law that said that if a shop used magnetic strip and that led to issues then the shop is responsible for any losses. That made shops switch over rather fast.
< 1332341081 576238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the whole model.
< 1332341085 935005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how much better it actually is
< 1332341090 800344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pay someone with a credit card, they know your credit card details.
< 1332341098 659136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332341103 681245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore whenever you pay anyone with a credit card, you're giving them your credit card.
< 1332341110 935455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no security whatsoever.
< 1332341142 188628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332341152 852093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a norwegian newspaper article on yesterday's scandal btw http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/03/20/nyheter/innenriks/altinn/selvangivelsen/20770039/
< 1332341175 713394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a backwards compatibility thing. It'd go away if you'd actually need to properly use the card when buying stuff with it.
< 1332341197 83559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've seen more MasterCard SecureCode / Visa VerifiedByVisa things on the web-web lately.
< 1332341200 762379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if you moved the keypad and display to the card itself, wouldn't that be safer? Then you could just sign a request on the card and the bank could verify it
< 1332341238 27559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course it's a fixable problem.
< 1332341244 731401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it not a problem.
< 1332341265 998253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously you can just make a mini-device with a private key and the like.
< 1332341292 512496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for web transaction some banks here offer to create a special bank card number for just a single transaction. So there won't be more available than what you specify on it.
< 1332341328 355948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-use numbers I think quite many places offer.
< 1332341363 947596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember some bank (probably not Finnish) having a test of the system where you actually see the amount you're authorizing when you're getting the authentication code for a net-bank transaction. That's part of some of the standards, IIRC.
< 1332341466 682294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway with the "verified by visa" thing it redirects me to my internet bank and I have to use the hard certificate I think.
< 1332341498 335793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, pretty sure it was with "verified by visa" stuff
< 1332341505 929855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh also by net banking i'm not referring to buying things on the web, as i never do that (i think i've bought a plane ticket _once_).  i'm referring to actually logging into my bank account for paying bills and stuff.
< 1332341522 874129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes obviously
< 1332341527 997895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes.
< 1332341536 234661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan uses planes?)
< 1332341544 388899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not any more, no.
< 1332341567 874607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually since internet banking offers a lot more than just taking money out of the account your card is tied to, your analogy with the reinforced windows is not quite accurate
< 1332341588 933872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was back in 2002-2004 or so, before the security insanity had really hit here
< 1332341682 538394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can access all accounts from the internet bank, and stocks (if you have any, I seen a link for it in the menu, never used that). Probably even more stuff.
< 1332341794 988261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway speaking of credit card security, we did in fact have to buy a plane ticket via a travel agency recently (all purchases of the university have to go through it for businessy reasons, and we wanted my wife's ticket in it for the same order), and it was certainly very safe: they wanted the CVV2 number sent in a *different* email than rest of the card details. (Or faxed.)
< 1332341845 587637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you fax it?
< 1332341847 625014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah like that in my bank too, i sold off my stocks that way.
< 1332341854 786916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan had *stocks*?
< 1332341872 108537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not entirely sure, it was handled by our department secretary.
< 1332341877 369512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did.  well fund options.
< 1332341885 773931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1332341892 448799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fund shares, i guess it is.
< 1332341909 261866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt the "security insanity" has even vaguely hit Norway.
< 1332341912 460433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all pampered.
< 1332341928 471870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh and insurances and borrowing money too
< 1332341931 304201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked
< 1332341948 680876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well relatively speaking, but i think you can get part of your luggage confiscated for stupid reasons here too.
< 1332341977 778982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: I doubt the "security insanity" has even vaguely hit Norway. <-- what?
< 1332341996 403256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for planes
< 1332341997 403827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332342002 910557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i wouldn't really _know_, since i don't use planes any more :P
< 1332342044 515292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it mostly gets bad only if your plane trip leaves the country
< 1332342055 497896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also here's a less picky list: http://p.zem.fi/o1ug
< 1332342064 763770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course if you get anywhere near the US, all bets are off)
< 1332342136 546543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now do all lines with "A" in them.
< 1332342181 551271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 6469 such.
< 1332342186 681723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORDER BY LENGTH
< 1332342200 189841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAAAAAH.
< 1332342201 949912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the security if you are not flying with airlines is basically nil. Was up in a small Cessna a couple of years ago (2? 3?) and there was no security to speak of.
< 1332342223 429458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't leave the country though)
< 1332342226 833022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of it is just "AnMaster:" prefixes.
< 1332342240 975767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you filter those out?
< 1332342255 558526 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, normal, they put security in airports because it's more easy and get seen easily, but elsewhere... don't do much about it
< 1332342292 543583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4933 with 'A' but not 'AnMaster'.
< 1332342297 722781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu, well, it was at an airport. But with the local flight club. Happens to be located right next to the airport, and share the runways with it.
< 1332342324 542414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local fight club.
< 1332342326 722869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> btw the security if you are not flying with airlines is basically nil. Was up in a small Cessna a couple of years ago (2? 3?) and there was no security to speak of.
< 1332342341 30501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You realise this is because people don't try to hijack small Cessnas, right?
< 1332342374 954650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course, but someone could hijack a business jet. That could still cause significant damage. 
< 1332342380 35233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nearly as much of course
< 1332342381 576579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1332342388 922626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the chance is pretty low
< 1332342417 914221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't let anyone on to business jets in return for a fee. :p
< 1332342433 392497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err I meant private business jets
< 1332342454 357359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mad millionaire?
< 1332342457 595472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?
< 1332342490 995039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreaded mad millionaire problem, yes.
< 1332342503 735258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, my point is that terrorists don't generally find themselves with a good reason to be on a business jet.
< 1332342520 427238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need a reason to be on a commercial flight.
< 1332342520 910194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1332342589 841132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd sort of figured the reason they don't put business jets through the security stuff is because there are rich people involved
< 1332342609 845730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that helps as well yes
< 1332342643 774469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously that too, yes.
< 1332342675 835437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not surprising that the "security" is done for commercial flights in airports; if it was effective, that's just by far the most reasonable place to put it.
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< 1332342695 256659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder how effective it actually is?
< 1332342760 576571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The TSA stuff? It isn't.
< 1332342776 846624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332342780 909444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is it done?
< 1332342793 239693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effective for giving people cancer. (Okay, not really.)
< 1332342802 485612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does the Swedish government never do stupid things?
< 1332342818 427455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course it does
< 1332342825 59731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, then.
< 1332342827 43600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332342835 805105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: supposedly the screening has less effect than being exposed to cosmic rays high in the atmosphere during the flight itself
< 1332342836 233401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can thank 9/11.
< 1332342919 993725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right; so it's not exactly effective. I'm sure if they'd contact some proper engineers they could make a far more efficient cancer machine.
< 1332343260 415301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They did that once: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
< 1332343278 88520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that thing.
< 1332343283 842265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sadly it also failed to give anyone cancer, seeing as they already had it.
< 1332343295 299119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did manage to kill people, though.
< 1332343316 695344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's pretty awful :(
< 1332343329 575078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-real-time software is nice. Lower risk, and all that.
< 1332343336 120922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The details of the OS that you get from the report were interesting; it was quite the spaghetti code, with their own scheduler and so on.
< 1332343400 560542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate to be one of the engineers on that project.
< 1332343409 769666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the guilt isn't deserved.
< 1332343488 994478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate to be the guy who's fault is it that when you beg the killer robot for mercy, it will just go all "PLEASE ENUNCIATE MORE CLEARLY" and resume killing you.
< 1332343514 662792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate to be the guy who writes "who's" like that.
< 1332343572 81481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are the guy BWAHAHAHA shun the nonbeliever shuuuuuunnnnnnn
< 1332343811 946954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *it is
< 1332343827 267718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too.
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< 1332344560 285559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332344644 903214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332344651 718558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deja vu)
< 1332344675 93099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the mouse cursor drawing handled in X11? It is after all a form of compositing really (especially with antialiased cursors with smooth edges), but it was supported long before more general compositing was supported. So at which layer is it handled?
< 1332344744 803311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are any "smooth"-edged cursors without compositing.
< 1332344754 5593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the GPU renders the cursor, AFAIK
< 1332344765 288890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm
< 1332344767 906333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I think this is that I've seen GPU crashes that render nothing on the system working /but/ the mouse cursor
< 1332344774 896608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332344777 603956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I recall a couple of graphics drivers having cursor-specific options.
< 1332344787 739373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's a bit modern-day for Vorpal's question.
< 1332344794 768563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a sprite of some sort
< 1332344804 828419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OTOH I suspect that was how it was done in the olden days, too.
< 1332344809 884835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. 'man radeon' -> "SWcursor boolean: Selects software cursor.  The default is off."
< 1332344811 260031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not the stretch in-between.
< 1332344856 264559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that seems reasonable
< 1332344955 654831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X provides a set of standard cursor shapes in a special font named cursor. Applications are encouraged to use this interface for their cursors because the font can be customized for the individual display type. The shape argument specifies which glyph of the standard fonts to use." That's the Xlib interface view of it, from man XCreateFontCursor. (But you can also create cursors from a Pixmap ...
< 1332344962 146607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or any regular X font.)
< 1332344976 997230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there's also something more modern.
< 1332344986 198244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1332345015 797868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I seem to remember smooth cursors back ages ago. Pretty sure it was possible back on xfree86 even
< 1332345174 141683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but "smooth" != "translucent".
< 1332345190 108736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'Render' extension -- the thing that does composition -- has cursor loading functions too.
< 1332345196 761513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the standard GNOME 2 white cursor thing had sharp edges, it was just antialiased inside.
< 1332345203 762787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm possibly
< 1332345206 710136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was rounded off a bit so it looked quite smooth.
< 1332345214 541877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember what it looked like in KDE 2
< 1332345220 712865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When using images loaded from files, Xcursor prefers to use the Render extension CreateCursor request if supported by the X server. Where not supported, Xcursor maps the cursor image to a standard X cursor and uses the core CreateCursor request."
< 1332345221 553109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JSR8IC77Ub4/TSSKKbXaWCI/AAAAAAAABlY/ch99AiNX2Sc/s1600/Ubuntu-desktop-2-410-20080706.png -- it can be seen here
< 1332345231 454504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is a shadow.
< 1332345236 279207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332345239 77320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, maybe it's that then.
< 1332345286 702365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XRender dates back to about 2000, "first released with XFree86 version 4.0.1".
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< 1332345406 418288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, my zoom-in-and-see-the-individual-pixels window manager trick doesn't work on the cursor
< 1332345462 766648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Xcursor lib again: "XcursorBool XcursorSupportsARGB (Display *dpy): Returns whether the display supports ARGB cursors or whether cursors will be mapped to a core X cursor."
< 1332345486 975332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a screen magnifier? Or something else?
< 1332345505 221125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's one of the compiz features
< 1332345509 454317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1332345512 878817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them, I'm not even sure if they have an intended use
< 1332345516 75078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were just added because they could
< 1332345533 979615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I can make a window black-and-white using super-shift-mousewheel
< 1332345544 105241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice on occasion, if something's too brightly colored
< 1332345550 680722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I don't use compiz, it messed up with opengl stuff for me in the past. And nowdays I just use xfwm4 or whatever it is called.
< 1332345553 79253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does sound like on the protocol level, you have a non-translucent CreateCursor, and then the XRender extension CreateCursor that can do ARGB images; and then it is -- or at least was -- the graphics driver's job to keep the cursor rendered.
< 1332345574 30082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, what happened to the cursor when you used that trick?
< 1332345581 923838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just kept moving around as normal
< 1332345583 943313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfwm4 does compositing too.
< 1332345586 691077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1332345588 75458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean zooming in?
< 1332345591 644545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stayed the same size
< 1332345597 705955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, but it doesn't do the silly stuff compiz does
< 1332345599 830478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moving it changed the point the screen was zoomed around
< 1332345600 447242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rotating cubes
< 1332345619 261198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know at least
< 1332345622 479379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was helping a guy at the department few weeks back, I think he had ALL THE EFFECTS on. At least when I moved a terminal window around, it wiggled like it was made out of jelly.
< 1332345643 266104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332345706 627209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's actually in the default set when you ask for high effects
< 1332345721 221322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by wiggled?
< 1332345729 431605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... shakes when you move it?
< 1332345767 506980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a bit of a timelag on pixels further from the mouse
< 1332345773 41802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks like the window's slightly elastic
< 1332345777 93131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332345788 808733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly pointless as far as I can tell
< 1332345792 589277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1332345802 807919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shakes, yes.
< 1332345811 733032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it looks nicer than the window staying rigid
< 1332345822 509920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? 
< 1332345824 141506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there's no real need for it
< 1332345825 826596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1332345826 279457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it does
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< 1332345844 164777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it ends up looking slightly wider than it is, you can't really do precise placement
< 1332345876 430794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It settles down relatively fast if you don't move the mouse. But still.
< 1332345884 625277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Wikipedia (generally) bans linking to forks of Wikipedia
< 1332345895 514288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think it just looks like the window is somehow broken or melted. Makes me think "you should probably get that checked out".
< 1332345904 848123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means waiting, any special effect that takes away time that I could have spent doing other stuff is bad.
< 1332345909 545868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about wikis with substantial content with a specific focus but that are based on Wikipedia's articles to start with?
< 1332345915 934919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would count as one of the exceptiosn
< 1332345917 829466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exceptions
< 1332345983 571886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like minimizing, OS X has one of the worst minimizing effects I ever seen (is it default btw? I know you can turn it off but still, why even put that in there)
< 1332346006 633392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The genie is I think the default.
< 1332346015 566105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and it is horrible
< 1332346030 695114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a second one, at least in 10.4.
< 1332346040 495142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332346079 787871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you know of the easter egg that you can slow down the genie by a factor of ten or so? And the not-so-easter-egg thing that you can freeze windows in the middle of the effect so that they're stuck in that shape, and then keep using it? 
< 1332346092 937390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, don't know either of those
< 1332346105 105614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-shift-minimize or something does the slowdown.
< 1332346110 816572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with OS X is limited to helping people (family) who have macs.
< 1332346111 612119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't turn off the effect (through the standard interface).
< 1332346115 771380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's not an easter egg.
< 1332346119 842967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that for anything that animates.
< 1332346134 324024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was used to demonstrate Expose and the like, IIRC.
< 1332346143 84429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freezing thing is fun, though.
< 1332346146 780001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But really more a bug.)
< 1332346155 595017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> You can't turn off the effect (through the standard interface). <-- thought there was an alternative effect?
< 1332346157 68795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it doesn't quite map the geometry.
< 1332346159 202820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have they removed that?
< 1332346159 664085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes.
< 1332346170 240315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative was significantly better at least
< 1332346207 704191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, on the computer I'm writing this on I have no effect at all when minimizing/maximising.
< 1332346215 142422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how do you do the freezing?
< 1332346231 894459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill the Dock.
< 1332346238 309509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332346294 991459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean the dock handles window manager style tasks?
< 1332346297 207490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1332346372 98711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, minimised windows go into the Dock.
< 1332346383 17754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it makes sense for the Dock to handle it.
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< 1332346409 191385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but I would have assumed the actual minimising part would be handled by the equivalent of the window manager.
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< 1332346449 141234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Dock also enlargenifies to make a space for it while the animation is happening.
< 1332346455 387622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332346457 762660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd need quite some coordination with WindowServer to manage that.
< 1332346462 936229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably WindowServer should display the dock.
< 1332346493 38819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need that already I assume? Or does the dock handle the compositing of the window as well?
< 1332346547 750352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that matter? The Dock just has to morph it.
< 1332346553 603987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332346605 74259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the actual morphing done? The obvious choice to me is doing it by a matrix on the GPU
< 1332346637 791705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be the realm of the window manager
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< 1332346731 314360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Core Animation, one presumes.
< 1332346734 753705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1332346746 363149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something of the sort.
< 1332346768 477691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Core Animation first appeared in Mac OS X v10.5" -- never mind, must be something else.
< 1332346807 373589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can any program mess with the window of another program like that? Or is it just the dock?
< 1332346821 381542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the security model seems rather bad if any program can do that
< 1332346833 728958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the X11 security model is any better
< 1332346871 695073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are rather bigger problems with the security model.
< 1332346881 488008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, any windowing system that lets any application take a screenshot has no security.
< 1332346895 105379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that should require special privileges
< 1332346996 560783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any secure windowing system at all?
< 1332347004 131780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that currently exists I mean)
< 1332347012 172136 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to modify the animation on the layer vorpal?
< 1332347014 537427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost assuredly.
< 1332347019 277031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, what?
< 1332347025 944734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you happen to know of one?
< 1332347028 699286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure one of the capability-based OSes has had a windowing system.
< 1332347034 554904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1332347054 708537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeWS might have been secure, too? All I know about NeWS is that it's about 15x better than X.
< 1332347068 4338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't difficult to achieve
< 1332347142 661382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I left off "thousand".
< 1332347150 256753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332347162 611014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you canvas.drawImage(img) where img.src is cross-origin, it clears the origin-clean flag, and thereafter you can never call .toDataURL() or .getPixelData() on that canvas.
< 1332347183 614882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I found something interesting recently, it seems steam automatically adds exceptions to the windows firewall for installed games. To allow them to listen on any port on either tcp or udp
< 1332347187 138671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers are so security-minded.
< 1332347200 84875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does this without asking the user or there even being an option to disable the behaviour as far as I can tell
< 1332347209 323901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/either/both/
< 1332347227 479698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice!
< 1332347227 678606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1332347237 975214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A known exploit, I take it?
< 1332347262 384782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a textbook example of how ad-hoc security is completely unworkable.)
< 1332347277 905521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, has it been used in any exploit?
< 1332347282 75961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why would you use the Windows Firewall?
< 1332347294 594457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, it is there by default in windows.
< 1332347318 216347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it isn't quite as bad in windows 7 as it was in XP)
< 1332347321 882375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So is that fucking animated dog.
< 1332347324 697195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, in XP.)
< 1332347327 972350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in 7
< 1332347329 59378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1332347348 615963 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you mind to drop me a short line on what you want to do vorpal? would be so much more fun to get a point
< 1332347351 44219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machine is behind a real firewall (and NAT too), but still it is interesting behaviour
< 1332347365 657289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, uh? Did I want to do something?
< 1332347373 452315 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't?
< 1332347388 679815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do want to breath, quite often in fact.
< 1332347401 706875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wth are you going on about?)
< 1332347402 733804 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1332347482 583428 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you catched my attention while discussing this animation thing.. so i thought you're out to experiment with this or sth
< 1332347492 29695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I just sprinted into a bucket in Skyrim by mistake, it went flying several hundred meters, over a rather tall mountain, before I lost sight of it. Trying to find where it landed now...
< 1332347517 903839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, I believe we discussed terrible animations of compiz, then OS X?
< 1332347598 818948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair it was a magical "whirlwind sprint" (lowest "level"), but even so that result was way out of proportion to the force I hit the object with.
< 1332347635 153439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a: new user account on the: esoteric languages wiki.
< 1332347649 482743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is?
< 1332347681 916533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just a weird way of announcing it?
< 1332348649 617407 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was feeling very Smalltalk.
< 1332348658 937938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was feeling very: fizzie.
< 1332348790 766299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, ah hi Gregor. Looks like apropos doesn't work on hackego
< 1332348798 199159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apropos apropos
< 1332348800 806167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1332348809 993807 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma go with "too bad" on that one.
< 1332348815 418113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does man. Oh noes.
< 1332348818 742589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1332348823 452801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, obviously :P
< 1332348830 735174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, can you use SCIENCE to impale some colours?
< 1332348846 508974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably whatis doesn't work either
< 1332348848 834978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis man
< 1332348851 323226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1332348859 42280 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/share/man
< 1332348861 774423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs \ de \ es \ fi \ fr \ fr.ISO8859-1 \ fr.UTF-8 \ gl \ hu \ id \ it \ it.ISO8859-1 \ it.UTF-8 \ ja \ ko \ man1 \ man2 \ man3 \ man4 \ man5 \ man6 \ man7 \ man8 \ nl \ pl \ pl.ISO8859-2 \ pl.UTF-8 \ pt \ pt_BR \ ru \ sv \ tr \ zh_CN \ zh_TW
< 1332348864 907776 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knock yourself out ;)
< 1332348880 557428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the man pages are there, just not the config I guess
< 1332349378 851203 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d08.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1332349530 516281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332349556 355458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332349593 555062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/AmsterdamIsl_Map.png "La Grande Marmite"
< 1332349620 900382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's suspiciously close to wikipedia
< 1332349642 684194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna be so glad come Easter
< 1332349666 113398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb...
< 1332349667 682719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already lost.
< 1332349675 484921 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS FORGIVEN
< 1332349681 722370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb
< 1332349684 828692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only God can forgive you.
< 1332349699 74337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only God and he who challenged by this task to begin with.
< 1332349704 750371 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329948.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332349709 326609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO WEARS A PICTURE OF JESUS ON HIS CROTCH
< 1332349712 586801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332349715 90333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only God.
< 1332349784 954515 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burns the witch, Taneb.

< 1332349822 336962 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saves the witch

< 1332349834 861315 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burns the witchsaver, sebbu.

< 1332349851 663599 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ressussicate himself using post-mortem necromancy

< 1332349861 23506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Kick sebbu for unlicensed self-revival.
< 1332349873 88625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a permit for that kinda shit.
< 1332349900 661951 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god/religion allows it
< 1332349936 885973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is your new god now.
< 1332349972 829946 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burns the apostate, sebbu.

< 1332350002 344553 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not apostate, just from a different religion
< 1332350002 973059 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332350027 319523 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't abandoned something i didn't belonged to :p
< 1332350070 960868 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of different religions in the world :p
< 1332350074 614075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only valid religion is fungotism, dammit!
< 1332350075 163123 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now that one is ' no' isn't concrete enough for me
< 1332350091 148799 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was deep.
< 1332350092 732449 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And insightful.
< 1332350108 357137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu, you're born believing in the true faith, duh.
< 1332350119 441962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burns the apostate, terrible theologist, sebbu.

< 1332350125 54098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: DISPENSE WISDOM.
< 1332350125 304060 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've heard sarahbot is r5rs's bitch.
< 1332350132 351036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SARAHBOT IS R5RS' BITCH!
< 1332350134 246643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SING IT FROM THE HEAVENS!
< 1332350137 651836 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, my true faith was different
< 1332350138 332942 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332350155 56028 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which proove yours is wrong, aka not THE true faith
< 1332350166 181741 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most A true faith
< 1332350176 886726 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarahbot, thy code art in Scheme, for thou art the bitch of R5Rs.
< 1332350179 353776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burns sebbu just to shut him up.

< 1332350191 232747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: *R5RS.
< 1332350204 134170 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was a typo, not incompetence, just FYI X-D
< 1332350214 489119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language scheme
< 1332350279 945414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Have you converted to fungology yet?
< 1332350285 778551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell sebbu of the true path.
< 1332350286 80292 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has anyone here ever tried to parse that
< 1332350295 655760 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop, ressussicated again
< 1332350309 959388 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to plug in some pain nerves that time
< 1332350317 692841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Use the POWER OF FUNGOT to replace sebbu with a fnord already.
< 1332350331 915597 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets sebbu on fnord.

< 1332350425 835189 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1332350523 812874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1332350536 701965 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.fnord.org/occult/discordia/scanned/fnord.html )
< 1332350762 679294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332351063 557790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric is occasionally esoteric
< 1332351146 64542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332351172 289923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332352923 535269 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332353331 246209 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332353874 242827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, what, colours? 
< 1332354034 824959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, COLOURS. With the U, my friend. With the U.
< 1332354098 16080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U.
< 1332354150 291437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, "U", as they say.
< 1332354154 573498 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332354175 550708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm commissioning you to produce corresponding background colours for all the section header colours on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page, you see.
< 1332354187 454452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By commissioning, I mean "delegating the job to you on IRC so I can sit back and do nothing".
< 1332354205 302416 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1332354457 89798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what, same hue and saturation but a lot lighter? (Or maybe same a*/b* chroma but more L*, or something, since CIE (L*,a*,b*) is like so perceptual.)
< 1332354528 356229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was hoping for something fancy and scientific.
< 1332354560 816198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if that kills my dream to implement it within the MediaWiki template.
< 1332355512 619509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolor.html -- that's quickly done in HLS, with top color giving the lightness. I suppose the ones that are >= 0.90 are lighter than your already-rather-light headers.
< 1332355525 291780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do L*a*b* but I think it's dinnertime first.
< 1332355567 974364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancey.
< 1332355583 404152 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332355593 552860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does COLOUR SCIENCE have anything to say about a nicer choice than that peach everyone dislikes?
< 1332355610 440544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the green is a bit off too. I did not: apply colour science to create these section header colours.
< 1332355637 486070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ask gcolor for "readers", "creators", "meta" and "featured". (But they'll probably all just turn out brown.)
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< 1332355840 857337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was hoping for something more like "these colours are of equal perceptual intensity and all have the same 'distance' from each other" or something. :p
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< 1332356240 840476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could e.g. put a circle of some radius around the white point in cielab space, aligned in the equal-L* plane, and then pick the points at angles k, k+pi/2, k+pi, k+3pi/2 where k is arbitrary. Lab's *supposed* to be "perceptually uniform", in that distances in it equal perceived amount of differentness. But I'm not sure how true that actually is, and it probably won't give colors ...
< 1332356247 330598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that a graphics designer would pick.
< 1332356261 435577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you have a too large circle you'll end up with colors not in sRGB.
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< 1332356436 368074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess HSL would be ACCEPTABLE? I don't know, the idea of one colour being less "far apart" or "more intense" than the others because of arbitrariness upsets me.
< 1332356547 694450 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far apart can one color be?
< 1332356562 112082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could also just some sort of equal-saturation-and-lightness in HSL, but that's not so perceptual.
< 1332356607 49371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, perceptuality is nice. There should be a tool for dicking about in Lab. Maybe there is.
< 1332356647 298805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a very good color picker dialog somewhere. I don't know of any offhand.
< 1332356873 742546 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1332357005 160866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current esocolors in HLS are (100°, 83.3%, 60%), (60°, 83.3%, 100%), (45°, 86.7%, 100%) and (240°, 90%, 33.3%), but I don't really know if that tells one anything. It's really still quite closely tied to the "raw" RGB values, it's just pretending to have meaningful coordinates. (Same applies to HSV.)
< 1332357143 561522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it HSL, not HLS?
< 1332357153 837113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often it is.
< 1332357193 353102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in the majority of cases.
< 1332357223 257337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it ends up being HLS, e.g. in Python's "colorsys" module, and that's what gcolor used, so I've been a bit stuck with it.
< 1332357233 800130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"colorsys" has HLS, but it also has HSV. Go figure.
< 1332357290 100337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say: haughty sandwich vixens haggle less sexily.
< 1332357292 887788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they say that?
< 1332357340 667452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to figure out a way to put HSI in there too. (It's yet another thing with 'I' for intensity.)
< 1332357369 293975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all call the 'S' part saturation, but it means different things in each three.
< 1332357398 439576 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332357454 337554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *would* be nice to figure out what the True Fourth Colour is in #CEB, #FFA, ?, #DDE. But perhaps colour science is not yet ready for such problems, as they say.
< 1332357478 184822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to ask a humanist.
< 1332357501 733393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these "humans"?
< 1332357617 272379 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one can read the word humans one can already understand all that human's collective knowledge on the subject is, sadly
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< 1332357876 699055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Gregor's neural network?
< 1332357955 745024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No.
< 1332358141 738637 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk;
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< 1332358499 408260 :litejk!~litejk@80.202.230.199 PART #esoteric :"61 This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/"
< 1332358614 963797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332358714 865815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332358825 827213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the attack of the bot who uses the topic and 61 as it's quit message, when it does it's dastardly quick join and exit
< 1332358902 977114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even any point?
< 1332359199 212417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ?
< 1332359211 30524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332359219 541431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im liking the new look wiki to the extent that my opinion really matters
< 1332359345 360755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe its my imagination playing trick
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< 1332359826 276313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sigh*.
< 1332359854 446395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Links from torrentz now open porn in a new tab
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< 1332361450 392139 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1332361686 812319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrents are like a library where all the books are on reserve
< 1332361696 580085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening all
< 1332361725 150340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only natural that people can't resist such a thing
< 1332361746 39538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what does on reserve mean again
< 1332361754 328375 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332361758 55261 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on hold
< 1332361771 167057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmmm lemme think
< 1332361776 430941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait, what does on hold mean again
< 1332361784 710378 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nods
< 1332361815 840399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles

< 1332361835 831560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it more like, you know, the complete opposite
< 1332361845 891737 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:20 <@MakeGho> what... some big guy just walked here and said, "Hi, are you a jew?" "...No" "I am." *handshake*
< 1332361875 772906 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means when you tell the library to keep a book off the shelf for you for you to pick it up
< 1332361910 261003 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1332361926 583614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1332361931 169980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but that usually means you _cannot_ get it right now, which seems like the opposite of a torrent.  but then i have no experience with torrents.
< 1332361948 598366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. my metaphor is broken
< 1332361974 860443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21
< 1332361975 759885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like being in the library and the book is on hold, and you are sitting in the "books on hold" room, and your lap is the storage for the particular book you want to read next
< 1332361978 21418 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee.
< 1332361983 325664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20
< 1332361986 504629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20's entry has been censored.
< 1332362003 439749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually, it's more like torrents
< 1332362154 554189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can safely disregard my previous nonsense.. will be replaced with..
< 1332362215 168121 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's an engineering problem when it is necessary to add artificial constraints to a product in order to enable the producers to turn a profit
< 1332362222 366406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn itidus20 is a 7th dan of broken metaphors.
< 1332362225 637719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1332362276 592095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now write that as a broken metaphor
< 1332362288 170206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wait, it wasn't already broken?
< 1332362294 497334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a metaphor?
< 1332362305 149209 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a 7th dan?
< 1332362307 959774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would it be?
< 1332362315 632530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but maybe we ought to leave it in the competent hands of our 7th dan broken metaphorist
< 1332362359 316842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people were all already contributing to society as best as they could, would money still be necessary at all, or could people with their freetime just merrily use whatever they encounter which would probably be in abundance
< 1332362391 895811 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on how you define contribution to society.
< 1332362429 815441 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds awful though i know.. the thought of a whole life without any hope of lawn chairs in hawaii  sipping alcohol and watching bikini clad women dance with maracas
< 1332362461 226535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: highest amateur rank in many martial arts
< 1332362513 419132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, scratch the highest, that varies widely.
< 1332362560 238663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: lets say.. one time of day for production.. one time of day for consumption
< 1332362567 698588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, i hate it when my laptop decides to burn cpu just as i'm trying to google something.
< 1332362582 215818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :during production time the only consumables are things which are used to produce things
< 1332362600 33881 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot like having a job.
< 1332362631 271411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except theres no money... so noone is selling anything during the day
< 1332362639 330690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its illegal to consume during working hours
< 1332362660 780220 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to the extent you need to work optimally
< 1332362665 777975 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say most economic theories work if you presume human nature magically conform to thier expectations.
< 1332362669 683049 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conforms
< 1332362674 307322 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just describe marxist socislism?
< 1332362682 361656 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean all of them.
< 1332362690 302976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: congratulations for reinventing 1918-1920 communism, i think.  (even the communists had to scrap not using money)
< 1332362693 654445 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, you weren't talking to me.
< 1332362708 647455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+soviet
< 1332362729 471269 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's a metter of determining what you need.
< 1332362732 477510 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1332362769 667208 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can presume everyone jsut knows what they need to do, and does it, then you don't need much of an economy.
< 1332362777 533801 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just
< 1332362787 135847 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: but that makes thinking boring
< 1332362800 272077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things have to actually apply
< 1332362819 594555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the ability to decentralize economic decisions is what makes money a brilliant, if imperfect idea.
< 1332362826 473409 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually that is not marxist-leninist communism, but marxist socialism (I have read communistic manifesto)
< 1332362858 116195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i wasn't going for accuracy there
< 1332362869 590519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dates are probably wrong too
< 1332362869 883652 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332362878 487755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is best if one does not give too much attention to my posts
< 1332362934 118907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any system where everyone has to contribute would make my life more difficult honestly
< 1332362969 102249 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you described was almost exactly like marxist socialism, but it lacked common ownership
< 1332362985 249998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<MDude> I'd say most economic theories work if you presume human nature magically conform to thier expectations. <-- as i and probably others have said before, every form of government works if all people are perfect, including nazism.
< 1332363012 518409 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anarchism
< 1332363035 193259 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: actually i hinted at that.. in the second half of one post :-D but didnt quite fit it in, in my ramble
< 1332363036 3081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why does that follow?
< 1332363038 357889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or could people with their freetime just merrily use whatever they encounter which would probably be in abundance"
< 1332363040 368125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: nazism makes it a better joke
< 1332363054 246651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be for the consumption period
< 1332363068 599962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the nazis only persecuted people who weren't considered perfect, right?
< 1332363071 280796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like people never invent logically inconsistent systems, after all.
< 1332363071 442153 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you measure productivity?
< 1332363138 475844 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: so you basicaly reinvented narxism
< 1332363165 71658 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*marxism
< 1332363168 235278 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have chatted with a pro-marx guy before who explained that communism was a distortion of marx.. and another guy who said marx is unworkable
< 1332363174 618334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :narxism, the best form of government
< 1332363187 306301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe figured out the gaps
< 1332363206 8905 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narxism: Marxism for narcisists?
< 1332363246 712683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :narczism, nazism for narcotics
< 1332363260 850785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case we hve the best bodies on earth.. out of all animals and plants.. so we should accordingly have the best quiality of life
< 1332363317 120708 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am socialist myseft and I think that every "Communistic' country is just dictatorship, but Marxist Communism might work if executed properly 
< 1332363370 652663 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that when we consider things like long life as needs then it eats away a piece of the labour pie
< 1332363394 977194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't want to just let each other die young or from diseases
< 1332363424 136322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> in any case we hve the best bodies on earth.. out of all animals and plants.. <-- ok that's enough.  go take a timeout and read about human evolutionary flaws.
< 1332363453 519141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our _brains_ may be the best, but the rest of our bodies have paid for it.
< 1332363467 756557 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the only animal with such ready access to candy, cartoons, and air conditioning.
< 1332363487 101858 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe cats have it better, but they can't taste sugar.
< 1332363519 109291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha... :)
< 1332363527 927393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers the time his family visited a museum and his mother (an obstetrician) spent all her time examining animal pelvises and pointing out how comparatively large the birth canal is to humans'.

< 1332363539 858928 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if our brains are best we must remember that no other species has nerly blown up the entire world...
< 1332363572 404009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah.. anything more i say about this will be downhill from here
< 1332363584 20530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :timeoutting
< 1332363635 748147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hm are you sure?  see: the oxygen catastrophe
< 1332363665 404473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott FWIW, the esocolors in L*a*b* are (138.4, -29.2, 30.6), (149.6, -17.9, 59.0), (143.8, -2.7, 38.9) and (135.5, 4.6, -12.0). http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolor.png shows the slice of L*a*b* for L* = 141.8 (mean of those) that's representable in sRGB. The red dots are the colors' a* and b* coords.
< 1332363665 728421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332363715 516161 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oxygen didn't came even close to blowing up the planet. It just poisoned most of life on it
< 1332363750 720330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: we aren't close to blowing up the planet either.  you think nuclear weapons will do more than scratch the surface?
< 1332363800 943397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/destroy
< 1332363870 782023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Oh, and the black dot is the sRGB white point's chroma.
< 1332363871 30519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332363885 539384 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about if we drill a hole and put all nukes and bombs to it and then launch all of them at the same time
< 1332363885 701231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1332363952 601240 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: probably almost nothing happens
< 1332363968 443263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will just cause oerjan to lose eir terminal, nothing more.
< 1332363968 859726 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a lot of earthquakes.
< 1332364038 408285 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but it will propably do more than sractch the surface
< 1332364089 709308 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plants would survive it i hope..
< 1332364103 432438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think it will just barely scratch the surface :) but enough fallout might make the earth uninhabitable without needing to destroy much of it
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< 1332364291 842759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl
< 1332364384 740652 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb oerjandroog
< 1332364398 386341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vot
< 1332364555 478571 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you familiar with the nadsat slang? you're interested in langs iirc
< 1332364586 269162 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clockwork orange soviet-american teen language
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< 1332364668 381226 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://soomka.com/nadsat.html
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< 1332365220 28489 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRMBL
< 1332365275 330658 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows only vaguely that nadsat is supposedly from a clockwork orange, a movie he has never seen.

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< 1332365436 965629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you haven't seen it? but it's like the most famousest classic movie
< 1332365457 598674 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on a great book
< 1332365467 564863 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't miss it
< 1332365469 207531 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've heard enough to think it's not the kind of movie i'd like to see.
< 1332365554 833007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, from what I heard the plot is quite nasty, don't think I'll ever watch that
< 1332365593 315331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That movie is a menace to civilised society. It encourages ultraviolence, shameless sexual depravity, and Deutsche Grammophon. I recommend it to everyone.
< 1332365672 425577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Deutsche Grammophon still exist?
< 1332365690 651767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, how could the movie encourage it?
< 1332365710 105165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is now part of Universal Music Group (UMG) since its acquisition and absorption of PolyGram in 1999, and it is also UMG's oldest active label. It is also the oldest surviving established record company."
< 1332365713 283166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does
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< 1332365755 323810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway when is the movie supposed to be set? "In the future" I know, but it was a while ago that movie was made
< 1332365758 414791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which year
< 1332365783 392069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in the year of the Deutsche Grammophon
< 1332365795 6547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332365808 846482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the year of the rat, but different
< 1332365815 847800 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: been reading http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ? (EVERYONE ELSE: DON
< 1332365821 846034 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :''T CLICK THAT
< 1332365829 204181 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1332365830 291512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :TVTROPES
< 1332365843 486461 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfThree
< 1332365861 479154 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _tried_ to warn you, but my fingers thwarted me
< 1332365874 321589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I read that before, I'm immune thus
< 1332365880 304360 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AndItsTerrible
< 1332365899 720981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re-read it, it's been updated since then
< 1332365924 941675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I use w3m -dump to read tv tropes. So I get plain text, no links
< 1332365925 523464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1332365944 228276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like derptropes
< 1332365952 419229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I /always/ go for the laconic version if one exists
< 1332365982 957237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I have an exam tomorrow. So good night.
< 1332365986 623922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts computer to sleep

< 1332366053 879377 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the fact that the language in  develops in a way where russian and american are melting togeter
< 1332366070 365011 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in burgress vision
< 1332366102 748772 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: your last link doesn't exist
< 1332366111 146147 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who actually has written in during the cold war
< 1332366118 66775 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AndThatsTerrible
< 1332366142 114697 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you might mean that.  we've been introduced before.
< 1332366146 158456 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gregor
< 1332366148 853814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor took forty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
< 1332366231 96724 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332366240 183490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :777
< 1332366256 711431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332366261 717117 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1332366291 168626 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that some kind of reverse arrow notation?
< 1332366331 839767 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as many as seven 111s.
< 1332366344 484331 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1332366550 827347 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332367467 419672 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332367549 449432 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332368020 277540 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln ../ ./
< 1332368023 300974 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: `../': hard link not allowed for directory
< 1332368070 205876 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd
< 1332368072 556673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv
< 1332368102 661353 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln /hackenv ./hackenv
< 1332368105 392663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: `/hackenv': hard link not allowed for directory
< 1332368139 397277 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /hackenv ./hackenv
< 1332368142 270555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332368150 48484 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1332368153 111175 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDELETE.EXE \ bin \ canary \ hackenv \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332368176 725666 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls /hackenv/hackenv
< 1332368215 537022 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /hackenv/hackenv/
< 1332368218 350765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDELETE.EXE \ bin \ canary \ hackenv \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332368261 170131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file UNDELETE.EXE
< 1332368263 901000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDELETE.EXE: empty
< 1332368272 222552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that all about? 
< 1332368302 128340 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l | paste
< 1332368305 452205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18411
< 1332368306 797103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: someone tried to run it and complained that it didn't work
< 1332368308 699885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file canary
< 1332368311 762938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: ASCII text
< 1332368318 221787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1332368319 356809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm UNDELETE.EXE #you will be missed
< 1332368321 521132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1332368331 765686 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332368343 390974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332368369 960646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332368425 811994 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what rm UNDELETE.EXE does
< 1332368481 253706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It chirps.
< 1332368490 760547 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes Phantom_Hoover and ais523 quit
< 1332368868 954502 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1332368871 630588 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ hackenv \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332368898 665622 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackBot
< 1332368901 137125 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackBot? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1332368913 83083 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo
< 1332368916 438831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
< 1332368933 277710 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1332368935 509254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1332368962 364043 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332369077 256256 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DC66.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332369465 948404 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f4b8.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd2
< 1332369670 922725 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-(
< 1332369689 385271 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries, we know what to do when a file is rmed.
< 1332369699 399751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./UNDELETE.EXE ./UNDELETE.EXE
< 1332369702 101253 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./UNDELETE.EXE: No such file or directory
< 1332369748 216169 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332369750 720236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./UNDELETE.EXE "Gregor's porn stash"
< 1332369753 537639 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./UNDELETE.EXE: No such file or directory
< 1332369780 173862 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I definitely keep my porn stash in HackEgo.
< 1332369790 897116 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For easy access.
< 1332370149 129235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./UNDELETE.EXE .gregors_sneakier_sicko_porn_stash #Nice trick hiding with a dot like that, too.
< 1332370151 657319 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./UNDELETE.EXE: No such file or directory
< 1332371026 759770 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hate SDL's audio.
< 1332371050 125605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Callback* based audio?
< 1332371054 306378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly?
< 1332371591 55041 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1332372919 497986 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&}:;
< 1332372921 976071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&}:;'
< 1332372937 446253 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:(){:|:&}:;
< 1332372939 601288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :(){:|:&}:;: not found
< 1332372954 557326 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4037d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332372957 758243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&};:
< 1332372960 895 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&};:'
< 1332372968 13726 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run foo(){foo|foo&};foo
< 1332372971 130959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{foo' \ bash: -c: line 0: `foo(){foo|foo&};foo'
< 1332372981 886329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run foo(){ foo|foo&};foo
< 1332372984 795008 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332372998 672666 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash --version
< 1332373001 444959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> \  \ This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
< 1332373011 566609 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' 'foo(){ foo|foo&};foo'
< 1332373014 594243 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(){ foo|foo&};foo
< 1332373027 710732 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`init 0
< 1332373030 115853 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: init: not found
< 1332373051 779920 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -a
< 1332373054 512188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=734282
< 1332373071 17708 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, were it 0 i would have tried using dd ^^"
< 1332373163 457056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still use dd. :-P
< 1332373220 778335 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses SDL

< 1332373222 815293 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mount
< 1332373225 639319 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) \ none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib64/) \ none
< 1332373239 29215 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
< 1332373242 8798 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: opening `/dev/zero of=/dev/sda': No such file or directory
< 1332373362 229306 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a
< 1332373364 542090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1332373419 197658 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: It responds to PM, btw.
< 1332373497 936742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was the moron that designed SDL audio, and can I please cause bodily harm on them?
< 1332373534 39921 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, can't you use sdl mixer or something else ?
< 1332373581 867174 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: I doubt that'll help, given that my problem is I have a single stream of samples and want them to play.
< 1332373612 354225 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't ? :o
< 1332373626 467117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what I'd like to do is some hypothetical SDL_PlaySamples(samples, len);. But nooooooo, it has to have some cockamamy poorly-thought-out callback scheme.
< 1332373666 527879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've got a ring buffer that I add samples to, and read from in the callback... And it sounds really fucking weird.
< 1332373709 521824 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the reading and the cycling of the ring isn't synchronized
< 1332373748 438436 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lock the audio thread whilst writing to the ring buffer.
< 1332373776 812190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE TO DEAL WITH A THREAD JUST TO FEED SAMPLES TO THE AUDIO PLAYBACK WHY WHY WHY WHY)
< 1332373799 224741 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, i was more saying "maybe it reads less/more than it shoul"
< 1332373800 704538 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :+d
< 1332373911 559603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubtful...
< 1332374003 943390 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it pause too long
< 1332374062 59043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_mixer does exactly that; you can just give it a "chunk" i.e. an in-memory sample, and it'll handle feeding that to SDL. (Admittedly it's slightly overkill, maybe, and has audio file loading and whatnot.)
< 1332374130 883781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: haven't bothered to use it.)
< 1332374138 839432 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DC66.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332374302 7521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I'd have to use SDL mixer for that is... Obnoxious.
< 1332374664 33958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL isn't exactly known for having much convenience code around the low-level API in the "core".
< 1332374686 340649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a case of SDL not merely lacking convenience code.
< 1332374696 655898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a case of SDL being *harder than the APIs it's wrapping*.
< 1332374714 356066 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332374727 760113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antiabstraction FTW.
< 1332375193 461914 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332375289 872324 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a hunch he lost connection, but isn't sure

< 1332375351 71397 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to logging out voluntarily, that is.
< 1332375475 166939 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4037d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
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< 1332375780 581899 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332375879 17223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the reasonable way to implement a synchronous sound API in SDL would be to build it on top of the asynchronous one, instead of trying to map those calls to something backend-specific that might not even exist, in which case it's pretty close to convenience code from the implementer's point of view.
< 1332376245 207453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-219-24.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332376245 369215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-96.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1332376659 247257 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-253-51.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332376671 596932 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-253-51.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332377222 222748 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db416c0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332378863 865434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, monqy MUFFIN
< 1332379615 978404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332379621 250921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what type of muffin
< 1332379828 785656 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an UPDAMUFFIN
< 1332379856 323135 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More specifically, a FFMUFFUFFIN 
< 1332380027 347196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332380028 401576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuk
< 1332380848 139571 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-253-51.pools.spcsdns.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332381359 259699 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blue-room.org.uk/wiki/Widowmaker
< 1332381360 548018 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332381364 500351 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU
< 1332381592 571201 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracias.
< 1332382114 237896 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :De nada
< 1332383555 701570 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
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< 1332393916 667906 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett muffin
< 1332393930 404072 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi
< 1332393940 478421 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a better flavor this time
< 1332393949 908954 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cake flavored
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< 1332408568 529125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doop
< 1332408568 791556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1332408749 410880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <itidus21> it sounds awful though i know.. the thought of a whole life without any hope of lawn chairs in hawaii sipping alcohol and watching bikini clad women dance with maracas
< 1332408757 767956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :826) <itidus21> it sounds awful though i know.. the thought of a whole life without any hope of lawn chairs in hawaii sipping alcohol and watching bikini clad women dance with maracas
< 1332408785 19679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> fizzie said 12h 31m 19s ago: FWIW, the esocolors in L*a*b* are (138.4, -29.2, 30.6), (149.6, -17.9, 59.0), (143.8, -2.7, 38.9) and (135.5, 4.6, -12.0). http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolor.png shows the
< 1332408785 180959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> slice of L*a*b* for L* = 141.8 (mean of those) that's representable in sRGB. The red dots are the colors' a* and b* coords.
< 1332408805 977503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That seems a reasonable enough range. How viable do you think your circle-in-L*a*b* idea would be?
< 1332408819 999750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate having to choose more than one variable.
< 1332408902 769204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:45: <oerjan> <MDude> I'd say most economic theories work if you presume human nature magically conform to thier expectations. <-- as i and probably others have said before, every form of government works if all people are perfect, including nazism.
< 1332408916 129835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uhh, unless you're Jewish, or gay, or...
< 1332408938 802216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If by "perfect" you mean "Nazis", then yes.
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< 1332408945 914234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a nonstandard definition.
< 1332409102 227264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, how do <--- arrows work with multiple people being quoted?
< 1332409145 997488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, tell me about coinductive functions.
< 1332409310 628851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9819578/whats-the-meaning-of-io-actions-within-pure-functions
< 1332409320 50970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt like hurting you, so I linked that.
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< 1332409489 904418 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title looks promising.
< 1332409509 938812 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whats-the-meaning-of-io-actions" -- conal "conal" conal?
< 1332409549 44003 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person is distinctly not conal. :-(
< 1332409764 178401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I give a monad the ability to execute actions from another one then, by giving it the possibility to pattern match against the values it contains? – Riccardo 2 mins ago
< 1332409770 413960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think I can just ignore this question?
< 1332409789 903960 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you already failed.
< 1332409800 266946 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I wasn't even seeing that question until you put it in here.
< 1332409803 254043 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see it too.
< 1332409819 817568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remind me what the reason that you felt like hurting me in the first place was again?
< 1332409867 871487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're terrible.
< 1332409889 91953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is as many as four tens. :-(

< 1332410116 530497 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "But a monad has no ability to execute the actions of another monad unless you give it that ability."
< 1332410122 280994 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of vague and misleading.
< 1332410142 541170 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a monad" doesn't execute anything.
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< 1332411180 504825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you suggest a less misleading reply to that nonsense?
< 1332411276 583477 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest not saying that part at all.
< 1332411612 279901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Perhaps.
< 1332411626 121240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't really expect to be able to enlighten this person if the rest of my answer didn't, anyway.
< 1332411691 879303 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1332411693 935457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I give a monad the ability to execute actions from another one then, by giving it the possibility to pattern match against the values it contains? – Riccardo 34 mins ago
< 1332411694 96715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	
< 1332411694 96914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	
< 1332411694 97021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By writing methods that convert one monad into another, or do some execution. Control.Monad.ST.stToIO converts an ST computation into an IO computation, for example. – Louis Wasserman 13 mins ago
< 1332411700 339775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when other people handle questions I don't want to.
< 1332411706 554943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will avoid nitpciking about "method".

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< 1332411918 768923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/What_is_SlideIT/ Hmm, is this a ripoff of Swype or vice-versa?
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< 1332412026 57687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rips both off, creates SwypeIT

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< 1332412769 185777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm honestly not sure how much sense a circle makes, but here are some colors picked from one: http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolorlab.html
< 1332412772 234849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first table has the original colors, and then colors at angles 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees from the about-largest circle centered at the white point that can fit in sRGB for L* = min (second line) or mean (third line) of the originals. And then there's the same thing except with a rotating 'phase'.
< 1332412777 687712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically the "perceptual distance" between any horizontal neighbours in the "phase-wheel" tables should be identical, but YMMV -- it's only a rough approximation, after all.
< 1332412782 532015 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db414e9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doesn't work perfectly yet
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< 1332412842 452654 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db414e9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it _is_ perfect for long words..indeed
< 1332413067 845737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't quite understand the results, but they don't look promising. :(
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< 1332413119 215289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess science is just not equipped to handle the task "give me four different pastel-looking colours that are perceptually evenly-spaced".
< 1332413325 382663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you actually want colours you like, perhaps. I mean, those look more or less "pastel" to me, and as for even-spacedness, well... maybe not so much, but it's at least wrong in a justified way.
< 1332413378 715947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can't have more than three unique evenly spaced points in a two-dimensional space, which is what an equal-lightness slice of L*a*b* is.
< 1332413420 907791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Clearly we need a... four-dimensional colour tesseract.
< 1332413449 435243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could stick an arbitrarily oriented regular tetrahedron in the 3D L*a*b* space, but that's probably going to give nonsense out too.
< 1332413465 257471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, yes, they're pastel. But they're not "primary" in the way that the existing colours are; that is, the green, yellow and blue are a lot more *strongly* different than the ones the L*a*b* circle is spitting out.
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< 1332413644 418566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is true. Sadly, I could only have a so large radius for a "grayness-centered" circle before going outside sRGB. The existing points are more like on an ellipse in labspace.
< 1332413648 828805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the one black box (at 18 degrees for L* = 88.6) would be (1.000322, 0.831912, 0.837298) or "#100d4d6" in sRGB.
< 1332413910 912972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it look horrible if you picked a circle outside sRGB and then "sampled it down" to sRGB?
< 1332413942 575983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I've seen a circle thing with "all" of L*a*b* that mapped down the stuff outside sRGB.
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< 1332414491 101015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I added the colors you get if you draw the ellipse that somewhat approximates the four original points (with major axis oriented along the esoyellow -> esoblue direction), and then pick points at the places where the major and minor axes cross the ellipse. But they're not especially pleasant colours either, especially the yellow after being brought down to the same level of "lightness as ...
< 1332414497 453153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... defined by lab".
< 1332414508 960839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course if you *want* a vaguely urine-looking header, go ahead.)
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< 1332414656 585651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the peach is kind of the odd one out as far as the colours go.
< 1332414666 433264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt you'd get anything especially better by omitting it.
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< 1332415405 275641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irony: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier is in [[Category:Pages with DOI errors]].
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< 1332418088 109209 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bom dia, sarg.  Haskell!  Lindo dia para um piquenique!
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< 1332418177 541717 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning, sarg. Haskell! Nice day for a picnic!
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< 1332420165 987708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
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< 1332426817 276476 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sabotage/musl + NetBSD pkgsrc = joy
< 1332428585 617068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: lol
< 1332428596 715370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Did the others not work out?
< 1332428660 498883 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Magnatune start sucking?
< 1332428911 654379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy on proggit is incredibly annoying.
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< 1332429849 214975 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Learn Seven Languages in Seven Weeks is any good

< 1332429873 686412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't learn a language in a week.
< 1332429874 663040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no.
< 1332429897 482923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, everyone who has mentioned that book in #haskell has been clueless.
< 1332429927 142881 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1332429952 955073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1332429957 875583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say that a lot. What does it mean?
< 1332430001 997296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What was that link to the backgroundy versions of the header colours?
< 1332430266 885847 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not called "Learn" Seven Languages in Seven Weeks
< 1332430824 318883 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only tried Gentoo Prefix and pkgsrc.
< 1332430830 102262 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo Prefix was a non-starter.
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< 1332431190 903551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Howso?
< 1332431257 707812 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Their bootstrapping script only works with bash, and bash doesn't work right now due to some strange musl issue.
< 1332431361 419149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, what shell are you using?
< 1332431411 55685 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332431426 549565 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men use Minix 1 for m68k when they need to use *nix and ash is standard shell on it
< 1332431641 748314 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men use shsh
< 1332431712 817954 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume busybox sh.
< 1332431720 284995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332431748 458476 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But pkgsrc has been good to me.
< 1332431750 890121 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite happy with it.
< 1332431772 300766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, teaching over for the academic year
< 1332431777 603864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting potential marks entry or exam marking
< 1332431945 976140 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: no. real men use Thompson shell
< 1332431991 706138 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332432008 643845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332432012 50298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332432017 687618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Real men use Multics.
< 1332432035 507816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332432042 524940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1332432049 502286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1332432089 513427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1332432099 967571 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No they toggle in a microkernel from the front panel
< 1332432152 305281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men made their computer out of transistors, and have their boot code hardcoded from memory
< 1332432160 376589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microkernels are for wusses.
< 1332432276 760287 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men bend silicon into shape with their bare hands and dope it with their spit.
< 1332432306 778228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is spit n-type or p-type?
< 1332432315 387990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly made of water and protein, right?
< 1332432321 529242 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they use butterflies to toggle bits in core memory of their machines built out of relays that they mined the needed minerals for
< 1332432343 966983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, real men spit arsenic and boron.
< 1332432389 397028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men don't use computers.
< 1332432392 499917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, stupid meme killed.
< 1332432401 944239 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use an abacus for memory and execute the instructions by hand
< 1332432436 357423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey, I was being original.
< 1332432505 520959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, yours was the only good one.
< 1332432545 982236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that such discussions collapse into self-parody too quickly
< 1332432553 535365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are indistinguishable from it even if they aren't meant to be
< 1332432577 426580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main problem is that the meme is dumb in the first place.
< 1332432620 885964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1332434167 917189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hey, should I add <ref> and <math>?
< 1332434184 888000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on if you think anyone would use them
< 1332434195 600827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why not zzo38's custom mathy thing?
< 1332434196 938923 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't <math> depreciated?
< 1332434503 688960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: What about it?
< 1332434530 81291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because zzo38's custom mathy thing (a) needs heavy modifications to be usable on anybody else's computer by his own admission, (b) obviously doesn't support standard LaTeX syntax, and (c) has no MediaWiki extension, he wants me to write the extension for him to use it.
< 1332434541 674068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I mean, no, not that I'm aware of, what's its successor?
< 1332434569 21104 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought that it wouldn't pass vadility essor
< 1332434593 707909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea what essor is.

< 1332434594 698685 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/essor/check without errors/
< 1332434646 414227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, are you referring to some HTML <math> tag? (I think it might have had such a tag in the past.)
< 1332434661 555308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to the MediaWiki <math> tag, which takes LaTeX and spits out a PNG on the page.
< 1332434670 717371 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332434694 621191 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :html  <math> tag was in html 3.0-3.2
< 1332434714 67350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think <ref> would be useful, since there are quite a few articles with citations done in a rather ad-hoc style (mostly the theoretical CS stuff).
< 1332434739 19611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1332434769 80479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the math extension is transitioning to MathJax, I guess I'll wait until that's done before installing it
< 1332436268 541956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/225891
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< 1332436604 655435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolor.html has the HLS lightened versions. First table is just setting a fixed L and keeping hue/saturation, while the second table sets L to l+x*(1-l), where l is the old l and x is that value on the header row, in a sense "lightening" all the colors by as much.
< 1332436653 97682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It has expanded since last time, I see.
< 1332436675 523079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose lightening them with L*a*b* would go as disastrously as the other Lab experiment?
< 1332436701 842362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try it, but I doubt it differs from HLS terribly much.
< 1332436725 105369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.96 from the first table and 0.60/0.70 from the second table seem good.
< 1332436792 550693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For completeness, I added a third table that has equal-darkening values too.
< 1332436806 787194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you probably need those.
< 1332436819 473048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the GOTH EDITION the 0.1 values from that might work.
< 1332436834 235106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it could be useful for Halloween, I suppose.
< 1332436890 196884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I want to make the wiki DARK and SPOOKY.
< 1332436925 277994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I THINK YOU'LL FIND that orig = 1.00, unsurprisingly.
< 1332436931 183666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should remove the orig column and flip the table. :p
< 1332436945 200439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then rename the 1.00 column to orig. Clearly perfection is a requirement.
< 1332436970 357662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0 column of second table is not the most useful either.
< 1332436973 295413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, you should completely automate the table-creation process.
< 1332436990 705865 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is it ok that I said hi?
< 1332437031 983419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are these esocolor things?
< 1332437095 114658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Saying hi is forbidden.
< 1332437098 918287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We're painting fizzie's house.
< 1332437109 187163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I believe that
< 1332437123 722035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people believe the world is round, man.
< 1332437127 826565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Housepainting, right?
< 1332437140 870393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does anyone /really/ believe the world is piecewise-linear?
< 1332437217 15276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Like, God, man.
< 1332437245 362738 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep.
< 1332437591 625352 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses?"
< 1332437591 802057 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: A celestial body, known as the antimoon, passes between the sun and moon. This projects a shadow upon the moon.
< 1332437656 259170 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: where is that quote
< 1332437662 509027 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+from
< 1332437669 951491 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ
< 1332437694 503245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't forgiven sgeo for saying hi
< 1332437752 56870 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. the flat earth society
< 1332437774 634347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just for completeness, L*a*b*-lightened/darkened versions: http://zem.fi/~fis/esocolor3.html
< 1332438073 138211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The differences are kinda-sorta slight. E.g. the 0.5 columns are identical for 10 of the 12 eight-bit components, and the remaining two differ by 1.
< 1332438116 300610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the darkening table is rather different.
< 1332438128 412565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And rather better, I think.)
< 1332438290 694674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to replace that peach, though.
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< 1332438413 666139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The darkening table is different because it's done differently; it's "equally spaced points on the line between the original and the nonchromatic black", so it sorta desaturates while it's at it. I added a third table that just brings L* down to 0, but those tend to again fall outside the vaguely shaped sRGB region.
< 1332438558 493411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: L*a*b* is scaring me a bit. I mean, I know *I* can't imagine a colour not inside sRGB.
< 1332438563 629726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is to say such colours even exist?
< 1332438586 912911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332438604 699388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any laser pointer light is outside sRGB, unless it happens to exactly coincide with one of the three sRGB primaries.
< 1332438629 294832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.)
< 1332438643 73007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *who* can *tell*?
< 1332438648 173105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the real question.
< 1332438675 551138 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll love this one: https://twitter.com/#!/jakedevine/status/182865434289258496/photo/1
< 1332438690 213430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Cie_Chart_with_sRGB_gamut_by_spigget.png -- see, sRGB can even depict areas outside of sRGB.
< 1332438693 565727 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are the R, G and B in sRGB defined as precise wavelengths?
< 1332438711 243630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's amazing
< 1332438730 784389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They just do those fake-color images. You'll notice there's a discontinuity at the border of the sRGB triangle.
< 1332438751 397202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shut up.
< 1332438769 763350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Next you'll tell me those nebulae don't *really* look that colourful.
< 1332438800 744143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You forgot the s.
< 1332438801 601942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, they're defined in the XYZ colorspace. I suppose they're not exactly monochromatic.
< 1332438828 616516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining colour spaces in terms of colour spaces.
< 1332438830 506645 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it.
< 1332438844 690740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why do we even need colour spaces, man? Can't we just use wavelengths?!
< 1332438851 25232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they'd be at the borders of that chromaticity chart if they were.
< 1332438853 644176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Question more serious than I'd like.)
< 1332438865 290483 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because that prevents the display of purple.
< 1332438865 457107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, twitter had a fair bit of wtf itself there... the text in the tweet says "pic.twitter.com/ybRMIfeR", the status bar while hovering the link says "http://t.co/ybRMIfeR", the tooltip says "https://twitter.com/jakedevine/status/182865434289258496/photo/1"
< 1332438874 645195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally, following the link takes you to the link I pasted above
< 1332438895 550375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, as we all know, purple isn't real.
< 1332438900 662069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So it doesn't matter if you can't display it.
< 1332438911 144315 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332438912 726678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, why can't we just use a combination of an arbitrary number of wavelengths?!
< 1332438946 697810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as they start making displays that give out arbitrary spectral power distributions, I suppose we can.
< 1332438961 767790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The displays can just ignore the colours they can't produce!
< 1332438970 866435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a thing in St Andrews which pulsed laser light at arbitrary frequencies.
< 1332438975 699452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :L*a*b* still exists and there aren't any displays with that! (Are there?)
< 1332439003 371196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I forget, did I link you to that thing where you stare at an image and its border becomes more blue than blue itself.
< 1332439006 183310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing is awesome.
< 1332439006 859178 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you miniaturised the hell out of that and stuck a few of them behind each pixel, you could compound a few wavelengths (which is enough).
< 1332439014 559286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's green, not blue.
< 1332439022 819175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, there's a blue one.
< 1332439038 675907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's awesome.
< 1332439043 325964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the blue colour it produces.
< 1332439064 324270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Grep /Eclipse of Mars/, http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/illusion.html
< 1332439092 797952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, if you just hook the display up to the optical nerve (or I guess clamp it on the retina and add enough pixels) you can specify which color receptors to tickle, which is by definition enough to make any seeable colour for that person.
< 1332439130 521473 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the text accompanying it suggests that it's just not representable on a monitor.
< 1332439131 148367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you aim *really well* you could do it from a distance, too.
< 1332439166 280143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, the colour it produces is not representable on a monitor.
< 1332439179 740982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an optical illusion; it doesn't have to have any pixels of the colour in question to make you see it.
< 1332439184 185328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done it, it works perfectly.
< 1332439206 182084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, CIE 1931 XYZ actually includes colours that don't exist. That's reassuring.
< 1332439209 553697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, aliens.
< 1332439239 39269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean it suggests that it's not displayable by a monitor but can be realised through other non-illusory means.
< 1332439251 610120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, well right.
< 1332439259 6247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It certainly looked more brilliant than any cyan *I've* seen.
< 1332439311 491909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CIE_1931_XYZ_Color_Matching_Functions.svg
< 1332439326 650269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, red receptors are actually slightly purple?
< 1332439343 434190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The color matching function approximations are IIRC really horrible.
< 1332439360 747698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are "better" curves in the bits that talk about the eye.
< 1332439372 256502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that they're any more clearly "red" or "green" or "blue" either.)
< 1332439401 18586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cone-response.svg has some sort of normalized curves.
< 1332439410 509542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are there colourspaces that contain the entire visual range?
< 1332439411 831751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't know how good those are either.)
< 1332439456 747246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, XYZ for one, as long as it's the visual range for the CIE standard observer.
< 1332439469 583090 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel_
< 1332439475 599761 :RocketJSquirrel_!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel
< 1332439534 134964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Man, fuck that standard observer.
< 1332439547 550998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's why everyone specifies things in terms of XYZ?
< 1332439590 418006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a reasonable thing as long as your target market is humans.
< 1332439613 361646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you do that eclipse of mars thing yet it's awesome.
< 1332439614 726922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But obviously you can't represent an arbitrary spectrum with just three components, so it's not enough for more sophisticated customers.
< 1332439622 767393 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did.
< 1332439626 41446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK but what about aliens?
< 1332439644 21325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or dogs. Is infrared in XYZ?
< 1332439662 159775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you'll just have to start modeling actual spectral power distributions. Some 3D modelling systems do.
< 1332439688 238940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That LuxRender thing, for example.
< 1332439772 655234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, okay, they're still just sampled and quantized spectra.)
< 1332439823 916107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or dogs. Is infrared in XYZ?
< 1332439868 720875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the XYZ color matching functions go to 0 pretty much at the edges of "visible light", so I'm going with no.
< 1332439914 921626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/ipage-mb.html Does this one work for you? It doesn't work for me.
< 1332439917 910276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LuxRender has a fancy thing where if you specify a color in R, G, B, it has a whole thing -- http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bes/papers/color/ -- that it uses to make a "physically plausible" spectrum for it.
< 1332439993 160053 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, works, I just need to change the point of focus a lot.
< 1332440006 51379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, wait, I think this might be a better version of the Eclipse of Mars: http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/ipage-et.html
< 1332440008 592367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the one I used.
< 1332440226 967857 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332441055 942525 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332441077 95908 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cheers from irrsi on sabotage/musl.
< 1332441199 903219 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332441259 507437 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BullwinkleJMoose: are you replacing all your programs with ones compiled with musl?
< 1332441352 719934 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 NICK :itidus21
< 1332441441 867215 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332441447 602151 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No, I have a musl VM running with no glibc at all.
< 1332441631 832205 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>musl
< 1332441639 263338 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 you man... non-sexually of course
< 1332441929 194779 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
< 1332442149 93108 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Perlin' up my irssi
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< 1332442253 512798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that night BullwinkleJMoose wept for his one true love's declaration of platonicism.
< 1332442269 988280 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1332442280 348183 :BullwinkleJMoose!~root@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't pull a rabbit out of this god damned hat.
< 1332442586 45081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has just occured to me that if each pixel was a mirror of some sort then it could be made to reflect some color sample
< 1332442661 220559 :cheater!~cheater@p508954AB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332442690 345941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as an apple in a box with light shined on it magically reflected along a series of mirrors until finally reflecting off the pixels
< 1332442737 702766 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Magically" seems like a problematic approach to optics.
< 1332442781 936186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's newspeak for someone elses problem
< 1332442826 78202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332442981 310682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cie 1931 color space page was too tough for me to read so i thought of that instead
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< 1332443560 325370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332443569 888123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1332443573 805316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1332443595 755266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523
< 1332443598 856261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523. This topic may retroactively become more informative if or when Feather is invented.
< 1332443610 781812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, HackEgo has ruined our convention
< 1332443615 876545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shows how long ago we last tried to use it…
< 1332443640 688656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, "not found" is not really a sensible error message for trying to exec the null string
< 1332443745 233596 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need a bin/<null string> file.
< 1332443760 818976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332443853 757633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin test; touch bin
< 1332443856 19358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there is only ENAMETOOLONG, not an ENAMETOOSHORT.
< 1332443856 842940 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332443861 187802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1332443864 159991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1332443865 876895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1332443868 679745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1332443871 741595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin; mv test bin
< 1332443875 427071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332444041 692713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have thought about colors in scRGB space before.. it's hard to really express the idea to most people
< 1332444065 616265 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-132.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332444113 893139 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-61.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1332444339 876104 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not as if they're of any great use... an apple would not be any more of an apple in an imaginary color
< 1332444867 482505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a post without putting my foot in my mouth.

< 1332444876 711618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^his mouth
< 1332444883 739253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^his foot
< 1332444907 985454 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ingratiated expression
< 1332444941 199074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong word..
< 1332444987 505069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
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< 1332445065 122352 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332445078 183496 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls
< 1332445081 127264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ hackenv \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom
< 1332445084 483312 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332445152 130376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you know: Not submitting a candidate featured language is defined as treason in 23 of the 29 states of Canada, including Finland, China, and Europe?
< 1332445154 197037 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332445158 188323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome audy
< 1332445161 369136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :audy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332445165 302289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I've seen that name before. Never mind(?)
< 1332445169 616834 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332445187 917078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1332445194 715302 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I idle in here sometimes
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< 1332447767 438481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (round 48.5, round 49.5)
< 1332447768 279048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (48,50)
< 1332447812 933458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%.0f" 48.4
< 1332447813 775872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
< 1332447813 963296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `Text.Printf.PrintfType ...
< 1332447815 990062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%.0f" 48.4 :: String
< 1332447816 832827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "48"
< 1332447823 822834 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION raises an eyebrow. I ... get the purpose of that rule, I think, but why is it only as popular as it is, and was the choice to round to even arbitrary or is there a reason for it?

< 1332447852 791860 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332447859 237788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to make the roundings average out, or something
< 1332447874 308108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default rounding mode in IEEE-754, that's pretty popular.
< 1332447874 474775 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as opposed to rounding to odd.
< 1332447958 443537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332448001 251371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smelled a gregor nick change, and was right

< 1332448005 345090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at a cake website.. and i had an amusing thought.. an esolang cake
< 1332448009 91962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your daily dose of irony: what type of dash is used in the prose of http://www.emdash.net/en/mission.html?
< 1332448021 162570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I was fact-finding for my answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9829769/strange-half-to-even-rounding-in-different-languages.
< 1332448031 421744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could spell out happy birthday in brainfuck
< 1332448073 766107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I make a Befunge birthday card once? 
< 1332448077 743569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it so that I got one? 
< 1332448083 83816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the latter.
< 1332448094 13513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:35:16: <elliott> oerjan: Uhh, unless you're Jewish, or gay, or...
< 1332448094 233373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:35:38: <elliott> oerjan: If by "perfect" you mean "Nazis", then yes.
< 1332448105 129624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cakes on this website are just that inspirational.. 
< 1332448138 301693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your joke detector needs adjustment, it's a little slow.
< 1332448158 889582 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what timzone is used on those quotes?
< 1332448168 914151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC i assume
< 1332448212 899422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was clearly a ha-ha-only-serious thing.
< 1332448238 624090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes.
< 1332448453 537117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at elliott and fizzie's attempt to brighten colors, and wonders if there's something wrong with simply applying \ (x,y,z) -> (x + a*(255-x), y + a*(255-y), z + a*(255-z)) to an rgb triple

< 1332448467 649314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not SEMANTIC.
< 1332448494 583555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a convex combination of your original color and white, how is that not semantic?
< 1332448501 821232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"semantic"? just prepend "bright" or "light", works with every color
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< 1332448614 786384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Distances in the (gamma-compressed) RGB space are complete nonsense. (Anyway, that *is* what doing \(h,l,s) -> (h,l + a*(1-l),s) pretty much does, which is the second table.)
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< 1332448664 715657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i know little about gamma
< 1332448730 576630 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan smelled a gregor nick change, and was right // no
< 1332448735 608072 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second nick from a different system.
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< 1332448754 843966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the gregors are breeding!
< 1332448818 451607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the multigregor
< 1332448878 300728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks! ehird. You are good man."
< 1332448889 417226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Indeed I am.
< 1332448899 352167 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :english language should in my opinion adopt term "pilkunnusija" (translates to something along the lines of commafucker)
< 1332448902 827166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> elliott: Wait, how do <--- arrows work with multiple people being quoted? <-- badly, unless all quoters use them
< 1332448923 49157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Did you read that from cracked.com's list of words the English language is missing? 
< 1332448939 162250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case <...> and <-- match like parentheses, i think
< 1332448953 740858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It would be amusing for a Finn to decide on that opinion only after reading an English-language piece.
< 1332448967 876694 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did they list it there?
< 1332448992 126432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: They did, and I saw the list being shared in some Social Media just the other day.
< 1332448996 45024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it immoral to remind an ESL speaker to mark my answer as accepted?
< 1332449005 19108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite the synchronicity to spontaneously suggest the same thing.
< 1332449022 304753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially since I didn't see any comma-fucking going on at the moment.)
< 1332449023 764278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't see what ESL speaker has to do with it
< 1332449031 411578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Neither did I, before the GUILT.
< 1332449032 804980 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then they have made a new list
< 1332449060 210140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If I become Catholic, can I do whatever and have my guilt erased after-the-fact?
< 1332449067 982377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose theoretically the person might think "accept" means "eviscerate", or something.
< 1332449068 143697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be very helpful for my lifestyle.
< 1332449073 364284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://www.cracked.com/article_19695_9-foreign-words-english-language-desperately-needs_p2.html #1
< 1332449079 148837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just they're so kind. :(
< 1332449093 392651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there's also an older list of 10 such words from 2009.
< 1332449103 912725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is from 28 Feb 2012.
< 1332449134 37615 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that older one is the list that I have read
< 1332449156 389367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think so, but note that if you die between the sinning and erasing for a cardinal sin, you are _really_ screwed.  and that doesn't even get into latae sententiae excommunication...
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< 1332449236 562294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't anticipate dying before this answer is accepted.
< 1332449245 390717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1332449265 149497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you just uncovert right before you intend to sin, and then reconvert just before the guilt-erasing? 
< 1332449298 631569 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It just came to mind when reading english language forums and seeing hiw english language doesn't have a good term for commafuckers
< 1332449313 574307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "Grammar Nazi" is in widespread use.
< 1332449331 198100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think this stuff might require some element of genuine _regret_, you know.
< 1332449332 164116 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-5.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332449336 772316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commafuckers is less distasteful, though. Although orthography ain'tn't grammar.
< 1332449345 46922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, really?
< 1332449347 36315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that, then.
< 1332449356 461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: always a catch.
< 1332449360 588656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, guilt, sure; regret, no.
< 1332449366 995760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it again, and feel bad about it.
< 1332449418 531177 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f5ef.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332449503 824526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, they did it, now I can erase the evidence.
< 1332449505 864369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... or is that worse.
< 1332449513 92888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1332449524 176472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE SO MANY CONFLICTING FEELINGS
< 1332449676 321133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9830006/type-signature-between-funtion-and-class/9830084#9830084 will people look back on me in the future and think "wow that ehird guy is such an asshole"
< 1332449679 570492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guilt :'(
< 1332449696 790666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the life of an overflown stack... is the most difficult life in the wold
< 1332449698 700846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worldek
< 1332449702 103809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :universe
< 1332449703 167154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, "future"
< 1332449726 212915 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1332449754 566708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we're all dead
< 1332449759 79031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will the kangaroos think of me
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< 1332449854 426864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the feeling oerjan doesn't know much about kangaroo feelings
< 1332449861 116361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect the kangaroos to be most likely survivors, given that eutherians already wiped most marsupials from the _other_ continents, and humans have introduced eutherians to australia.
< 1332449876 288997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but
< 1332449878 633789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kangaroos are pretty tough
< 1332449889 866673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and australia is devoid of almost all civilisation
< 1332449891 234087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be.
< 1332449891 754981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1332449897 169307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're totally wrong
< 1332449967 44193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL humans have a conservation status
< 1332449973 12226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how long it took to decide that one
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< 1332449995 735817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Homo_Sapien_range.png TIalsoLd there's no humans at the south pole
< 1332450069 630506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, "least concern, unless they destroy themselves"
< 1332450249 903971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should double the scale to account for species with worryingly high populations.
< 1332450264 419506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extinction to Grey goo.
< 1332450341 836308 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that filename is wrong.
< 1332450349 542526 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The species name is "Homo sapiens", not "Homo Sapien"
< 1332450414 239688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Homo sapiens is, like, plural, man!
< 1332450420 39194 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope!
< 1332450459 50756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homos sapienses
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< 1332451081 298800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates his connection

< 1332451090 176326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332451097 712844 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-246-160.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332451103 97953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost the worst part is i _still_ don't know whether the problem is at my end or nvg's
< 1332451135 597396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the webchat dropping yesterday for the first time makes me slightly more suspicious that it's at my end.
< 1332451319 397370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332451319 657067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332451390 931309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he lived in a universe where things didn't tend to develop irritating flaws

< 1332451493 997947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hark, I am dead?
< 1332451505 756014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, you're not dead
< 1332451522 987202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not more dead than me, anyway
< 1332452163 616824 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1332452568 291598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1332452649 59270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries reducing putty's keepalive to 30 secs

< 1332452680 353589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that will help, do nothing, or make things worse
< 1332452724 417622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will stay alive up to 30 secs.
< 1332452736 725187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats fizzie -----###

< 1332452736 886580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's not quite what it means.)
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< 1332453446 712571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that gzip file that got mangled by phpBB? the person sent me the original, it was a standard gzip file after all
< 1332453484 726346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a lot of NULs after the first three bytes, which presumably phpBB deleted, which is why we couldn't parse it from that
< 1332453538 105586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, you'd think at least the modification time would have survived.
< 1332453554 397617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that zeros too? 
< 1332453571 201603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zeros came very early
< 1332453574 539077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they'd have shifted all the bytes from then on out of place
< 1332453585 256878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1332453609 135950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the "fixed" three bytes, then a flag byte that might well be a 0, and immediately after that the mtime.
< 1332453644 815381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we looked for the mtime field under the assumption that a '\0' FLG byte would've been there, but got dropped.
< 1332453678 961208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's not too rare to not have a timestamp there.
< 1332453711 752749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "delete nuls" is not a very invertible operation anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point.
< 1332453932 107848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332453951 261219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mtime was indeed 0, in that case
< 1332453963 714520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of binary data, I've been cleaning my ~, and there's a 81098752-byte file called "ut.end" in there, and I haven't managed to distinguish it from random data yet. 'file' says just "data", 'strings' or hexdump don't seem to reveal any obvious patterns in the first few hundred kb, and a "forensics" proggie called "foremost" I had (that I ran on a broken-disk image) managed to extract ...
< 1332453969 827739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... nothing from it.
< 1332453977 355509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm debating whether I should just delete it, or keep it secret, keep it safe.
< 1332453987 855481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, 80 megs is quite a bit.
< 1332454003 584115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the "it uses a lot of space" sense, more in the "there could be some stuff there" sense.
< 1332454089 856645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single human-readable string I've seen in the 'strings' output, and it's the word "JUNK", the last thing 'strings' outputs.
< 1332454094 341496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be some sort of a sign.
< 1332454140 25411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's an obviously regular-looking feature at the end, but I'm not sure what it is. It looks slightly like a sorted array of 8-byte integers.
< 1332454149 102935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be offsets.
< 1332454195 231037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or *something. They're a bit too large to be offsets to this file, but maybe only part of them is offsets.
< 1332454281 842300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit that actually looks like an incrementing counter goes up to 722559503.
< 1332454303 645402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the file extension is ".end", it could be just the latter piece of a CD image or something.
< 1332454332 360773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or some other 700-meg file.)
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< 1332454504 610429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly when that file is deciphered, the world ends.  or is that when it is deleted.
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< 1332454800 177103 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISBN 978-0-48109-8752-4  Hello Kitty Everywhere!: Haiku: Postcards in a Hinged Box
< 1332454809 661083 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that.. that didn't go well
< 1332454841 579919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISBN 978-0-4 8109-8752-4  Hello Kitty Everywhere!: Haiku: Postcards in a Hinged Box
< 1332454879 1249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kinda-sorta wondering that it had a weird number of digits for an ISBN.
< 1332455205 841459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny normalization, xn = sgn(x)*log(1+abs(x)). It's like some sort of symmetric logarithm thing.
< 1332455247 286372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks nice and smooth, though.
< 1332455430 558195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1332455974 890466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, advert I just saw: "3 easy steps: 1. Click to download. 2. Run the .exe file to install. 3. Enjoy the fun content!" together with a large Download button, five stars, the company name, some version compatibility information, and a large tick for some reason
< 1332455982 799867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no indication on what the product actually was…
< 1332455994 759070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the odds it /isn't/ malware?
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< 1332456531 391366 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-119-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332457292 549700 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever mention I was an idiot as a kid?
< 1332457304 894489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you an idiot now?
< 1332457312 533565 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'd like to think not.
< 1332457499 148965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you damn fool, that's at least 2 more lambdabot messages for me tomorrow morning.
< 1332457513 272799 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, idgi
< 1332457578 251166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott won't be able to resist that one, and since his sleep cycle is so insane he'll logread that.
< 1332457685 91365 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely he'll see that you saw it though?
< 1332457713 473189 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I don't get what he's going to do. Crack jokes privately to you at my expense?
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< 1332458034 125082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE SAID TOO MUCH
< 1332458041 61231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION explodes

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< 1332459004 456465 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, monqy has been turned into a MUFFIN.
< 1332459015 552378 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By whom?
< 1332459019 906133 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By...
< 1332459027 740037 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important character in Homestuck?
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< 1332461405 899787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe.
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< 1332462304 587195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332462307 814701 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332462370 480299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1332462375 464665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 827
< 1332462378 942878 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332462404 430130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D
< 1332462419 309735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332462422 637227 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332462478 662064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332462684 686228 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332462749 53177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-208.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I'm 4 years and a day younger than GCC.
< 1332462766 757235 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-208.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, math hard be
< 1332462778 666785 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-208.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 years and a day.
< 1332462942 193324 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332463098 699934 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't care to be notified of muffins esoterically, by the way.
< 1332463101 653609 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote conquist
< 1332463104 731274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :26) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce!
< 1332463117 900146 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so, only other muffins, or no muffins?
< 1332463133 517297 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No muffins, I think.
< 1332463146 777822 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0E583.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332463147 57461 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a notifier in my status bar already.  I like it to be where it is.
< 1332463150 582909 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1332463163 412963 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the nonsenseness of quote 26 there.
< 1332463698 525545 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332463819 996554 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Apparently I'm older than GCC.
< 1332463821 888328 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waves cane*
< 1332463914 888236 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-155-224.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332464214 979213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was gcc
< 1332464283 135192 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :March 1987
< 1332464299 560324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1332464311 769127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fetches a diaper and the the roid creme

< 1332464323 681300 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-251.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332464356 244646 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if you're older than GCC you're a crotchety old man, and if you're younger, you're an infant.
< 1332464360 729200 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing in between.
< 1332464393 66386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that
< 1332464399 333967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1332464414 538430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness some young women prefer older women
< 1332464428 791742 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some young men prefer older men too.
< 1332464435 970202 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna say that!
< 1332464496 716880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i've got me a part time infant for sexual healing. she overlooks the wrinkles and baldness and liver spots and varicose veins and oh god i'm gonna make myself cry imagining myself at 80
< 1332464512 949086 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-156-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332464603 238197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only comfort at the moment is having more hair than gregor
< 1332464648 24436 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible!
< 1332464720 353415 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont lie to me. i know you came by your hat addiction the hard way
< 1332464747 145398 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/hats/Hair-med.jpg OHHHH HAIR
< 1332464888 217168 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332464894 35688 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :greogr your forehead goes on for miles. you could fry an egg on a bad sunburn. andthe strange thing is...it wouldnt work on anyone else.
< 1332464961 529644 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have an enormous amount of forehead.
< 1332464990 669470 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes kofias/kufis a dangerous hat style for me: jpg
< 1332464992 724137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, wow
< 1332464994 636697 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good copypasta
< 1332464998 331955 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/hats/Kofia-med.jpg
< 1332465028 684092 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-150-190.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332465069 840689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1332465102 935563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever considered becoming a trekkie? you'd be a natural as a klingon.
< 1332465112 253931 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1332465127 743470 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haev some treklinations.
< 1332465159 986376 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have
< 1332465181 734242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads "i have press-on forehead wrinkles in the my dresser drawer" between the lines here

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< 1332465256 272620 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fraid not. Actually, come to think of it, the only apparel I own which is themed by a television show (and not e.g. a webcomic) is licensed My Little Pony X-D
< 1332465292 744835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :klingon/brony? BRILLIANT
< 1332465332 501885 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAPLA, TWILIGHT SPARKLE, KAPLA
< 1332465352 28885 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*universe implodes*
< 1332465386 992181 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, since it's Klingon, that's probably supposed to be spelled Q'uapleaoux or something.
< 1332465407 191388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew what you meant
< 1332465432 584249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet says "qapla"
< 1332465450 456463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with a ' at the end
< 1332465469 806395 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP has (flying) tribbles.
< 1332465475 485692 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only a matter of time before it has klingons.
< 1332465582 168702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :canon powershot, eh. great camera series.
< 1332465589 352040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is downloading canon softwares

< 1332465594 401728 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shakes fist at metadata*
< 1332465627 459233 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: CHDK is pretty great, btw.
< 1332465674 588613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve hacked it?
< 1332465728 42755 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just installed CHDK and made some scripts. Installing CHDK barely counts as hacking anything since it doesn't even overwrite the PROM.
< 1332465893 490225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing scripts yourself counts
< 1332465896 978837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do
< 1332465981 653990 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one that just lets you save virtually every aspect of the camera's optic settings so that you can take pictures (in the same scene) without fear of it randomly deciding to do different exposure settings or what have you.
< 1332465994 137636 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still lets you autodetect them the first time since it's not terribly bad at that.
< 1332466033 470621 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one that's basically just a continuous-shot mode a bit better than its inbuilt one ...
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< 1332466877 838278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an advanced research fellow a student, or something after that?
< 1332466906 399559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a postdoc?
< 1332466936 114582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am picking [[Edwin Brady]] as a random edit, and it's 6 years since the last one
< 1332466964 962908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who?
< 1332466972 252487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...on our wiki.
< 1332466981 188761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventor of whitespace
< 1332466987 114119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1332467165 311586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there no british people awake? ):
< 1332467255 416347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the brits are probably at the theater
< 1332467257 928832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theatre
< 1332467271 543015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching the hunger games
< 1332467286 507494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungre
< 1332467305 99307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they dont misspell that one for some reason
< 1332467354 56529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i'll just say "an advanced research fellow" without implying anything about what it is :P
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< 1332467428 469569 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, another muffin
< 1332467447 126244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332467449 514841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want it
< 1332467451 362928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many muffins
< 1332467488 579269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :muffin is secret code for update?
< 1332467493 443825 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332467502 270296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332467502 431320 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell anyone
< 1332467504 852219 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332467550 399324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI your drivers is killing my box :(
< 1332467587 121377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this compy barely has two silicon crystals to bang together. its a wonder it even manages to boot windows
< 1332467592 140476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to boot it
< 1332467596 20692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :out the window
< 1332467598 952584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :piece of shit
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< 1332467622 986221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought muffins were a special kind of update, since he vaguely recalls this homestuck thing has a lot of them

< 1332467700 974141 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a recent update had a funny use of MUFFIN, so muffin became the new update.
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< 1332468076 219153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1332469742 908744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDIOCY
< 1332469810 999940 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1332476043 5040 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-239.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332476114 672882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332476238 228128 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-147-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1332477000 591344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I used spell Extend Tentacles for a defensive use, although probably the intended purpose of such a spell is for attacking, I tried a defensive use to open a door which I believed was trapped (although it turned out not to be trapped, but I thought it was trapped).
< 1332477123 956602 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it would be like for zzo38 to play Paranoia.
< 1332477371 145258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first the door was locked. I thought that it was trapped as well, and I had a black dagger which I believed would unlock the door and disable the trap; actually it did not even manage to unlock it. After the other wizard unlocked it, I thought that since it wasn't unlocked in the proper way that it must have a trap.
< 1332477419 469919 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some server's MOTD:
< 1332477421 79472 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : - 04 Dec 2006 - The server will be down this weekend (Saturday and possibly
< 1332477421 241028 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16* -               Sunday) as our hosting company is moving to a new datacenter.
< 1332477449 135478 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right below 24 Feb 2011 - Server migrations!
< 1332478611 111553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the took a "long weekend"
< 1332478613 377519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y
< 1332478614 5346 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-122-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332478656 135527 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-21.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332478768 585698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy golf now includes Euphoria, K, Piet, CLC-INTERCAL, Icon, SNOBOL, REXX, PARI/GP, gnuplot, and Malbolge.
< 1332478792 983489 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge, eh?
< 1332478863 467237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of contributions for that, i assume
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< 1332479836 842253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1332481644 826087 :rykario!~rykario@184-158-43-73.dyn.centurytel.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332482315 350086 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332485946 921521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ever going to make cards which are ten or more inches long at a resolution of 3000 dots per inch or more than that?
< 1332486138 588201 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332486800 245273 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion/"gain",#1[numeric],"life": gen_gain_life(#1)[action]; rule/gen_gain_life(#1): switch( and(greater(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),do_gain_life(#1), and(equal(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),relax(), true(),action_fail() ); rule/do_gain_life(#1): set(property.life,add(get(property.life),#1));
< 1332486843 618175 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just some of my ideas to have a kind of programming language related to Magic: the Gathering cards and similar games
< 1332486935 94071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your ideas related to this things?
< 1332487152 417091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we would need such things as allow rules to be overridden by other rules, allow triggers to be attached, allow values of properties to be affected by static abilities and other effects of other rules, etc
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< 1332489652 499417 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b712f.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332491738 212377 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332492715 253121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332492870 546048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weapon of defense of chess includes: Keeping attack lines closed or under control. Repairing weakness. Trading pieces for endgame safety. Elimination of the strong attacking piece. Relieving pressure. Confusing the opponent's pieces. Maneuver and redeployment. Breaking the attacking front. Seizing a foothold in the center.
< 1332492889 817487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace "pieces" with "cards" and now you can play Pokemon card too.
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< 1332496483 587846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332496514 114238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You've earned the "monads" badge. See your profile."
< 1332496516 91066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOO
< 1332496632 967950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacrifice is also useful to Pokemon card. Even if your opponent picks up five side cards you can still win (either by taking six side cards, knocking out all of your opponent's pokemons, or your opponent run out of cards).
< 1332496969 580595 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332496975 679630 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you now a monad? 
< 1332497000 872845 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are what you answer Stack Overflow questions about.
< 1332497040 944645 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird "monads" elliott
< 1332497048 457596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: How can you have seen my line? You were, like, totally offline.
< 1332497059 750692 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I codued it.
< 1332497062 931992 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a verb.)
< 1332497075 645438 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dual of duing?
< 1332497084 290992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dmitry: Your question specifically mentions "IEEE 754". That's the standard. – Gabe 13 hours ago
< 1332497084 452345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Gabe, one little question. How do you know that my name is DMITRY? My nick contains only cyrillic letters. So that's your DMITRY reference sounds really confusing. – ДМИТРИЙ МАЛИКОВ 13 hours ago
< 1332497084 452570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type Cyrillic, I'd have to copy-and-paste your name. Since your name is a link, it's difficult to select, so the easiest thing was to just type your name in English. – Gabe 12 hours ago
< 1332497084 452684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can you translite my name from cyrillic to latin? Is it displayed in latin? – ДМИТРИЙ МАЛИКОВ 11 hours ago
< 1332497084 749734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `babel' failed with: Error: Language one not supported
< 1332497087 591562 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it also the codual of codoing?
< 1332497092 563353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little known fact: it is impossible to read Cyrillic.
< 1332497153 554723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More precisely, one can read Cyrillic iff one can type Cyrillic.
< 1332497156 284646 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is: Analytical, Citizen Patrol, Cleanup, Commentator, Critic, Deputy, Editor, Enlightened x 46, Enthusiast, Epic, Fanatic, Good Answer x 3, haskell, haskell, haskell, monads, Mortarboard, Nice Answer x 67, Nice Question, Organizer, Proofreader, Pundit, Scholar, Student, Supporter, Tag Editor, Teacher.
< 1332497203 844719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm haskell, haskell, haskell, monads.
< 1332497204 546292 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does PUNDIT mean you make a lot of PUNS? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
< 1332497215 903996 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A silver pundit, no less.
< 1332497232 124679 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a gold fanatic. Well, that all seems accurate.
< 1332497239 987554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Anyway, it's ×, not x, SILLY.
< 1332497259 895382 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TRANSLITED it.
< 1332497264 796415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "Nice Answer" is a lower award than "Good Answer".
< 1332497272 484313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nice answer!!! Not good, though."
< 1332497275 111716 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott the fan attic.
< 1332497293 566126 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4389821716_ec9a5d2d4b.jpg
< 1332497297 77079 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :REMEMBER THAT PICTURE?
< 1332497326 558810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I have never seen that picture before.
< 1332497379 803810 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you ever see the same picture twice?
< 1332497387 739755 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is deep and philosophical.

< 1332497393 898206 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to find out the standard size of those banana boxes they have in shops, but W|A interprets "banana box" as [cuboid | color banana] and draws me a banana-coloured cuboid.
< 1332497409 767372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that "deep-end philosophical"?
< 1332497447 136377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tusho stop removing the esco link it is not spam and it has been there for a while. Unless you got consensus from admins or the rest of the community do not make such an edit without sufficient support. This is not your it is Graue's site so please do not remove the link if you do so again I'll report you."
< 1332497462 16772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember esco, guys????
< 1332497471 321410 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1332497482 372826 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it, but not what it was.
< 1332497496 347460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little did he know, my secret plan was to falsify his statement "This is not your it is Graue's site".
< 1332497499 234231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All to DESTROY ESCO.
< 1332497504 207848 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was some sort of a conglomerated thing.
< 1332497519 492859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: A bunch of *exceedingly poor* esoteric language interpreters all put into one binary for no adequate reason.
< 1332497528 292233 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that was my HUNCH.
< 1332497551 808316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melab decided to add an external link to it to the articles of every esolang it implements.
< 1332497562 68083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: The bestest part was that the BF ciphers were reimplemented separately.
< 1332497575 692574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even copy-pasted, they were all structured slightly differently.
< 1332497614 768557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. That part is pretty bestest.
< 1332497620 785660 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to look at the code.

< 1332497641 372682 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a SourceForge .tar.gz download.
< 1332497667 818156 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read http://esco.sourceforge.net/?page=faq instead.
< 1332497677 733858 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESCO is a leading global provider of highly engineered consumable products and solutions for challenging industrial applications in the resources.
< 1332497731 247200 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Es ESCO, Co.
< 1332497740 112155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Byter is a language for training your brain." -- the language descriptions are the bestest
< 1332497784 471817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-102.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332497807 565132 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the Befunge-93 instruction pointer cannot move only in one dimension? If you try to make a oneliner, it'll implode.
< 1332497843 47710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not!
< 1332497845 826794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then esco TAUGHT ME.
< 1332497866 411662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsCo -- Esoteric Combine
< 1332497872 312684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know what it stands for.
< 1332497925 179585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's from science and outter space and hate humens.
< 1332497950 348204 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would you stop being evil?
< 1332497960 875645 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reports elliott.

< 1332497999 446254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: When making silly references is outlawed, only outlaws will make silly references :'(
< 1332498009 818378 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know Unary (the language) is also impossible? I learned this from the Spoon website.
< 1332498057 871968 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, was that a silly reference?
< 1332498064 382767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes,.
< 1332498071 469457 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes comma dot
< 1332498099 628270 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: I TOTALLY INVENTED UNARY MYSELF, MAN
< 1332498112 334440 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LODE VANDENANVNDNENANDE is such a PLAGIARIST
< 1332498136 524211 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading the first name as "Lord".
< 1332498139 888783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Which Spoon website?
< 1332498147 191924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that Spoon website.
< 1332498157 895174 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one, right.
< 1332498178 231288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Well, Unary is technically a two-token language!
< 1332498212 574390 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Spoon
< 1332498237 797375 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that a Huffman code?
< 1332498268 630903 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a regular prefix code to me.
< 1332498286 482344 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the author says it's the output from a Huffman algorithm.
< 1332498294 651706 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta have faith.
< 1332498333 204189 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I used the operations present in Brain (there are only 8, []<>+-.,) and collated a number of examples. I ran this through my Huffman program to determine the best token, based on probability."
< 1332498372 455704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Huffman actually returned '001011', but to save confusion
< 1332498372 617831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          for those quickly scanning the file for token conversions
< 1332498372 618080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          I elected to mis-quote it (see later tokens DEBUG & EXIT
< 1332498372 618186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          for the reasons).
< 1332498378 853347 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332498485 17898 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's an almost-Huffman code, then.
< 1332498499 760591 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEBUG is such a useful instruction.
< 1332498504 653456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print out the tape.
< 1332498513 626699 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean stack.
< 1332498527 49305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that's not more popular.
< 1332498607 95151 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bluedust.dontexist.com/spoon/
< 1332498616 714906 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one program which is an answer to all four challenges.
< 1332498633 453190 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the empty program. :'''(
< 1332498661 240738 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the empty program, fizziew.
< 1332498666 564787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry.. :-(
< 1332498673 488386 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must send em an empty email.
< 1332498686 744613 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could argue that the empty program isn't readable.
< 1332498690 76702 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's nothing to read.
< 1332498706 950796 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But every nonempty subprogram of the empty program is readable.
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< 1332498864 625645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What was glogbackup doing here?
< 1332498894 932683 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe just, you know, hanging around. You don't have to be so aggressive!
< 1332498956 731441 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"glogbackup = stupid" -- ehird "i hate glogbackup" elliott
< 1332498963 233688 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING HERE‽"
< 1332498976 784188 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WE DON'T WANT YOUR KIND AROUND HERE."
< 1332498997 263304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126640/while-programming-objective-c
< 1332499064 187914 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to be so harsh on user1285628, elliott.
< 1332499083 33140 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My problem, too, lies with Writing the Codings.
< 1332499090 120423 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-D
< 1332499092 144993 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need the Key Points.
< 1332499110 213353 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: But What are the Key Points to be remember while Writing the Code.
< 1332499121 966463 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are the Blue Key, the Red Key and the Green Key.
< 1332499138 712010 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I played that game.
< 1332499161 218049 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That annoying thief. :-(
< 1332499215 18959 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iddqd
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< 1332499614 889204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spispopd
< 1332499621 171092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sounds like an SSE instruction, really.
< 1332499736 167549 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
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< 1332500460 320147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know when you turn into a city and all the other cities exile you and you turn red?
< 1332500463 462998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what just happened to me. :(
< 1332500679 773610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Honestly, if you ask me, the only reason Haskellers get away with this kind of stuff (particularly when naming arguments to functions, let bindings, etc) is because the compiler saves their bacon and ensures they don't accidentally use the wrong character in the wrong place, as the compiler almost always catches such errors. If it were any other language, the practice would've been stamped out long ago as it would be untenable."
< 1332500691 349461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know that mathematicians never use one-letter variables?
< 1332500695 532307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because they don't have a compiler.
< 1332500990 598556 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they all used Math 4.52 to compile their proofs.
< 1332500999 576306 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that "prooves"? 
< 1332501016 10578 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it *is* hoof and hooves, right? 
< 1332501056 609319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Doesn't everyone use http://www.inutile.ens.fr/estatis/falso/ these days?
< 1332501093 869630 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on those quotes and especially the beards of the quotees, apparently.
< 1332501191 920573 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I remember Burnside's lemma. Vaguely.
< 1332501234 371185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proportion of true statements
< 1332501234 572599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more is better)	Less than 50%	Over 99.9%
< 1332501234 572807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder what "portion" of ZFC statements are actually true.
< 1332501237 923088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that that makes much sense.)
< 1332501319 477261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inutile.ens.fr/estatis/password-security-checker/ -- heh.
< 1332501349 554569 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the Pólya enumeration theorem version. Interestingly, in Finnish it was called "Pólyan lause", which has quite a lot of superficial similarity with "pöljän lause", lit. something like "fool's theorem".
< 1332501509 265319 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO my password is "0 % - Insecure". :(
< 1332501551 666210 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I just generated it with "pwgen". I should submit a bug report or something.
< 1332501558 839091 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this reason, password "foo" is now compromised.
< 1332501581 947792 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You just ruined it for everyone who used "foo".
< 1332501594 890872 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was working just fine, but now it's compromised.
< 1332501673 132281 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :-\
< 1332501801 543337 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332501891 628233 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2012-03-23 10:19:54] Tweeted: About NetHack: will sometimes warn you of danger. off in the wilderness. he was five feet long from tongue to tail. he is not like a wand... (fungot)
< 1332501896 112218 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned that thing on again.
< 1332501924 424124 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been off since beginning of February due to an "'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 64: ordinal not in range".
< 1332502027 675854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's defaulting to ASCII is... odd.
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< 1332507017 310373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE
< 1332507024 284621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone even notice me doing that any more?
< 1332507467 277017 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: What was glogbackup doing here? // glogbackup determines if Codu is down by ping. If codudms (the DMS for Codu) itself is having connectivity issues, it can misinterpret that as Codu being down.
< 1332507727 383514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMS?
< 1332507738 145639 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dead man's switch.
< 1332507753 574223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1332507762 671627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever merged in the backup logs, ever?
< 1332507782 311357 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope 8-D
< 1332507787 52366 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't even have the software to.
< 1332507898 969148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:26:59: <oerjan> `addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332507902 322055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan "ALTERNATE".
< 1332507902 639862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332507906 316245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 827
< 1332507910 683367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332507951 541412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:58:03: <RocketJSquirrel> March 1987
< 1332507957 533773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: gcc is over 8 years older than me BEAT THAT OLD MAN
< 1332508003 267007 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
< 1332508006 363709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
< 1332508103 255800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 827
< 1332508106 575590 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
< 1332508107 336541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not funny. THIS is funny:
< 1332508109 460344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
< 1332508112 223538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE: <elliott> `addquote IN A DETACHED PLANE: <elliott> I'm hungry, I think I'll eat a pizza.
< 1332508191 187674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:41:17: <oerjan> is an advanced research fellow a student, or something after that?
< 1332508199 874612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rather considerably after, yes.
< 1332508211 665988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least IMO :P
< 1332508483 195115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit random page button to do some cleanup. Landed on TehZ brainfuck derivative, then Snack.
< 1332509556 434445 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how Snack's "SIMPLE" interpreter starts with the 'stack' having garbage.
< 1332509647 930976 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it's in Category:Shameful.
< 1332509706 802380 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Maybe all Snack programs start with a "grave" by convention? Who can say.
< 1332509736 458290 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332510050 914080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You know how C is fast because it allows memory corruption?
< 1332510052 343180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that.
< 1332510061 472337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snack is esoteric because it enforces memory corruption.
< 1332510063 702554 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332510085 817999 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332510089 65696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Anyway, how can an article be a member of a category that doesn't exist?
< 1332510171 720744 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's metaphysical, man.
< 1332511482 900913 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332514224 791545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  php5-fpm default www spool now listens on unix socket located
< 1332514224 992141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  in /var/run/php5-fpm.sock instead of localhost:9000.  If you
< 1332514224 992322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  have configured your webserver to use localhost:9000, you will
< 1332514224 992429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  have to change your settings.
< 1332514229 797701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, I'm about to break Esolang.
< 1332514232 335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare yrselves.
< 1332514393 226221 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you do this:
< 1332514394 841593 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :502 Bad Gateway
< 1332514396 391905 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nginx/1.1.14
< 1332514427 896485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO:
< 1332514429 150875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :           │  ; For Unix only. You may supply arguments as well (default: "sendmail -t -i").                           
< 1332514429 312607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     │  ; http://php.net/sendmail-path                                                                           
< 1332514429 312788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     │ -sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail -t                                                                    
< 1332514429 710182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     │ +;sendmail_path =              
< 1332514436 136812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Oh, is it broken already?
< 1332514438 833835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even reload the server yet.
< 1332514463 529061 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least for me
< 1332514466 548746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting PHP5 FastCGI Process Manager: php5-fpm*** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/php5-fpm: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6ca2778 ***
< 1332514472 710123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1332514496 731960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is rotten in the state of Esolang.
< 1332514595 748618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Is it working for you now?
< 1332514601 70311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working for me, despite this double-free.
< 1332514626 152285 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes
< 1332514635 310537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'll proceed to ignore the problem then.
< 1332515257 963075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332515685 59485 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332516183 45372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, we're on php 5.4.0 now, woop woop
< 1332516205 995659 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to The Future of The Past!
< 1332516283 206991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great, MediaWiki security update.
< 1332516286 559027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to break the wiki again, guys.
< 1332516644 642733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: elliott@solidity:/srv/esolangs.org/www/mediawiki-1.18.2$ sudo cp -a ../mediawiki/{LocalSettings.php,extensions,images,cache} .
< 1332516696 818585 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sudo] password for elliott: 
< 1332516837 835703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade done.
< 1332516873 492760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, that's my password!)
< 1332517002 631404 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ssh elliott@esolangs.org
< 1332517002 940350 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission denied (publickey).
< 1332517004 311164 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332517014 611385 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even get the chance to test if that was really your password ;)
< 1332517081 418479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: SECURITY, MAN
< 1332517100 526218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Password logins are YESTERDAY. If I lost my computer then I'd still be able to login if I had a password login.
< 1332517104 857837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where would we be *then*>
< 1332517106 160716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1332517116 505577 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logged in to esolangs.org?
< 1332517119 561444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True!
< 1332517143 246276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: P.S. sshing in to esolangs.org is grievous sin; "ssh solidity" is the only acceptable phrasing.
< 1332517211 247946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some notation for formulating "sequences" of logic "conclusion"?
< 1332517216 82461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e
< 1332517251 458426 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any matrix-math-based esolangs?
< 1332517264 832397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given Q, by Axiom P we know A' and therefore Q = Q', further by Axiom P1 we know A'' and therefore Q' = Q''
< 1332517271 250685 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I think Matrix of Solidity is begging to be linguified. Also I may have already mentioned this possibility.
< 1332517283 620266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Any proof verifier's input?
< 1332517289 79341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metamath works purely on modus ponens deduction steps.
< 1332517292 576170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://metamath.org/
< 1332517293 157592 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languified? linguified? lenguified?
< 1332517296 111357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proofs are exceedingly ugly, though.
< 1332517314 63546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In source, not in rendered form.)
< 1332517367 844224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not intending to feed it to a proof verifier
< 1332517374 892714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would make that possible, I guess.
< 1332517383 599826 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSQuirrel: datatype or movie?
< 1332517385 114879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I wasn't suggesting a purpose, I was answering the question :)
< 1332517392 442515 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X
< 1332517415 837183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: But, uhh, doesn't *any* proof notation satisfy that?
< 1332517418 104040 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: WTF could "matrix math" POSSIBLY MEAN if I was referring to the movie?
< 1332517438 660110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, does natural deduction count?
< 1332517444 637784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any proof notation ;)
< 1332517448 981878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yet)
< 1332517475 823923 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I don't know, they speak a lot of "the one" in the movie, that's quite mathy!
< 1332517476 754370 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know predicate logic
< 1332517507 652443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that does not really allow me to sequence stuff.
< 1332517512 774264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws another Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequent_calculus

< 1332517520 108713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best form of battle: Wikipedia duelling.
< 1332517521 858632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dueling?
< 1332517528 563629 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dualing.
< 1332517589 504939 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you wikipedia, then you cowikipedia.
< 1332517590 820463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doolin'
< 1332517609 665251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&diff=prev&oldid=16343 I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU
< 1332517609 912040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332517610 106684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's what I was looking for. Thanks.
< 1332517707 178220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Mugh_brains
< 1332517744 899956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ThisIsNotARealLanguage Wow, Maxsteele2 DISHES OUT THE QUALITY.
< 1332517791 958924 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apple3.14, too.
< 1332517845 291720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Whatsyellowanddangerous.png Hey, look at this copyvio!
< 1332517913 549947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it looks like total overkill :)
< 1332517979 241740 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now you made his user page all boring. :/
< 1332517995 488894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: Yes: my secret motive.
< 1332517997 637550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA
< 1332518121 483858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: The: IRONY is that Logo.png might just be a copyvio.
< 1332518152 675772 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: howq?
< 1332518156 922482 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how
< 1332518213 406370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_vector_graphics_program_logos
< 1332518229 316481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It was deleted from commons for being from a stock image site with unclear licensing, though it previously claimed to be public domain.
< 1332518249 246900 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Google's "visually similar images" for the trilime is like the best. http://bit.ly/GVk2At
< 1332518258 836226 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often it returns nonsense, but this time it's right on.
< 1332518263 645087 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the most lime'est.
< 1332518295 543287 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's quite a few limes in the internet.
< 1332518297 333177 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trilime?
< 1332518304 177386 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh
< 1332518332 147909 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's crazy, it turned the image itself into the text "cut limes".
< 1332518425 762165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: If you google "three cut limes" you can even find DERIVATIVES OF THE SAME IMAGE
< 1332518459 130732 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did a "search by image" and it does find quite a few places where different-sized versions of the real trilime (please stand up) are used.
< 1332518483 170709 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food sites, mostly. It's still in recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Lime and so on.
< 1332518505 821075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines
< 1332518556 437399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :This is CERTAINLY the MOST TERRIFYING GAMALOST you will RUN AWAY FROM all OLSOK: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1332519775 863187 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is the highest-quality original available?
< 1332519811 23905 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Manually_coded_SVG Haha oh god why
< 1332519844 678630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RocketJSquirrel> elliott: What is the highest-quality original available?
< 1332519862 96026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: There's a spammy Wikipedia mirror-thing with the original high-resolution JPG.
< 1332519887 547210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I would like to ask a Commons administrator to show me the deleted description page, since it presumably contained a link to the original stock photo page.
< 1332519900 147334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which presumably has the original.
< 1332519901 493311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm lazy.
< 1332519913 600591 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least gimme the URL to the mirror X-D
< 1332519982 522828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I would, if I could.
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< 1332519988 785409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I found it once and haven't been able to find it again since.
< 1332519996 37524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Googling "three_cut_limes" or the like turned it up the first time.
< 1332520032 368864 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1332520049 265461 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/1602000/1602155_c201_625x625.jpg
< 1332520059 733388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Higher-res than that (and not watermarked).
< 1332520067 572087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, close.
< 1332520070 474662 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I assume so, but that's higher-res than what we've got.
< 1332520078 594932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: So?
< 1332520093 779065 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make sure we have the highest-res available mirrored somewhere for FUTURE ARTISTIC WORK.
< 1332520152 950871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I would rather not increase the resolution until I've determined it's not an infringement...
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< 1332520180 400966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Totally relatedly, if someone models a vector image on a photograph, is that a derivative work? What if it's traced?
< 1332520190 150140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume "probably not" and "yes".
< 1332520264 553616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/AppleJuiceisGood/Decorated%20images/?action=view&current=180px-Three_cut_limes.jpg&mediafilter=images
< 1332520270 734760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ART.
< 1332520294 239785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://partyflock.nl/albumelement/12886448:Three_cut_limes.html ;; this might be the original
< 1332520330 475512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did reverse image search it, right?
< 1332520333 193029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332520365 562746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Found
< 1332520377 52007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://en.wikivisual.com/images/e/e3/Three_cut_limes.jpg
< 1332520398 315635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover saying that made me reverse image source the partyflock.nl link I just linked, which turned that up :P
< 1332520633 747541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: THANKS FOR THE THANKS
< 1332521093 948718 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq_: your government owes me money
< 1332521211 423350 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
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< 1332521327 9645 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck does one put disconnect from server right next to close tab and make it so it doesn't ask if I want to do it on a mouse driven interface!?
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< 1332521667 932640 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, there's a key combination on XChat which I don't actually know but is very easy to hit accidentally which exits the current channel.
< 1332521758 502927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ctrl+W?
< 1332521766 642277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1332521778 634886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too easy to hit accidentally, for one.
< 1332521842 852243 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at lest once I have made TenFourFox ask if I want to quit this one is eliminated, but before I found this setting in about:config I very usually pressed Cmd-Q instead of Cmd-W and then it quit the browser and disconnected me from any irc channels I had open
< 1332522006 395421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that you're using ChatZilla for some incomprehensible reason.
< 1332522070 300598 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: irssi didn't want to compile and my own client only supports one channel at a time
< 1332522082 425458 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat?
< 1332522085 762123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat? Wait, it's OS X. Limechat?
< 1332522122 180524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that MacIrssi thing. I don't know if it's any good.
< 1332522141 184160 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is wrong with ChatZilla.
< 1332522176 257716 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I run OS X 10.4, so nothing really runs on this unless I compile it from source
< 1332522177 994205 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use Firefox to use it?
< 1332522237 626435 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is wrong with Firefox (by the way I don't use Firefox, but rather TenFourFox)
< 1332522239 799799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's terrible.
< 1332522240 943209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not technically true.
< 1332522267 746185 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what makes it terrible?
< 1332522334 661211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply has generally awful UI and behaviour in comparison to basically every other client (apart from all the other ones that suck).
< 1332522378 885645 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I
< 1332522413 747964 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problem with it except the disconnect from server thing
< 1332522428 874767 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332522442 417962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another reason not to use it.
< 1332522461 107362 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I also hate when enter press counts when you basicaly move your finger next to it
< 1332522478 926056 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's problem with my keyboard
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< 1332522535 612497 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SWEEEEET
< 1332522539 466146 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By which I mean SOUUUUUUUUUUR)
< 1332522807 826568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ANYWAY <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Totally relatedly, if someone models a vector image on a photograph, is that a derivative work? What if it's traced?
< 1332522807 987865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I would assume "probably not" and "yes".
< 1332522889 506123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf do I know X-D
< 1332522910 218999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume "yes but perhaps falls under fair use" and "yes and you'll go to *IAA prison"
< 1332522965 592168 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that, per Commons policy, you'll be making this vector image with vim, and not a *gasp* VECTOR ART PROGRAM.
< 1332523113 626757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally.
< 1332523118 366645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was going to order someone else to do it.
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< 1332523762 431789 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.osnews.com/story/6282
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< 1332524702 992773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Wait what?
< 1332524764 868343 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Manually_coded_SVG
< 1332524771 548469 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not actually a policy, I was just making a joke ;) )
< 1332524809 149914 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has links like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_files_to_be_drawn_by_hand (things that should be re-"drawn" by manually editing SVG files)
< 1332524880 328483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... That... And... GAH
< 1332524884 804195 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No France?
< 1332524891 5672 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Amazing, innit 8-D
< 1332525020 471979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: This "Sarang" guy sure has a chip on their shoulder :P
< 1332525040 127622 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that way.
< 1332525054 978074 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Adobe� chip.
< 1332525059 183104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can I have the esoforum archive? Email to penguinofthegods@gmail.com would be fine
< 1332525262 610710 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1332525346 551226 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, since I let the whole conversation go without a word, the yellow on the homepage is too obtrusive. Hyuk hyuk hyuk.
< 1332525391 388999 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I was going to /whois you, but it's pretty clear who you are from your last twelve messages.
< 1332525395 286610 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use this information wisely.
< 1332525432 579200 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now.  This one answer on StackOverflow says, "Java doesn't support shared memory because it's very OS specific".  Is there something OS-specific about shared memory itself, or is it just that setting it up is OS-specific?
< 1332525453 814364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's the FEATURED LANGUAGE, man.
< 1332525457 356421 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the *concept* of shared memory seems pretty simple.  There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room in "there's this region of memory that multiple running programs can access".
< 1332525469 231740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "This one answer on Stack Overflow says," === "This following statement is complete bullshit,"
< 1332525489 831993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, there is no portable shared memory API, just like there's no portable practically-anything API.
< 1332525494 828393 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.  I can believe that.
< 1332525503 32973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has its own thing and it's awful, Windows presumably has its own thing and it's almost certainly twice as awful.
< 1332525523 570750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java achieves "write once, run anywhere" by barely letting you talk to the OS at all.
< 1332525580 590427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_Simplified This is amazing.
< 1332525608 433042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is suggested to order the files by their reduction ratio:
< 1332525608 594713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Trine-symbol.svg from 26 August 2007 had a size of 2022 and is now 188 bytes, the quotient 188/2022 is 0.09297725; the first four digits after the "0." are the sorting key, written [[Category:SVG Simplified| 0929]], with a space between the "|"-stroke and the four digits to prevent group 0..9 creation."
< 1332525629 402285 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course *Linux* shared memory is a still different thing.
< 1332525638 404783 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/dev/shm)
< 1332525640 618098 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sarang is my hero X-D
< 1332525645 333021 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Done
< 1332525660 625487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Thx
< 1332525664 272495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/OpenOffice.org_2_icon.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/OpenOffice.org_2_icon_small.svg
< 1332525667 519740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1332525669 741465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/OpenOffice.org_2_icon.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/OpenOffice.org_2_icon_small.svg
< 1332525674 974916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Zoom in, note how latter one looks terrible
< 1332525678 962596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S SO SMALL THOUGH
< 1332525706 582377 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332525713 350686 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Windows shared memory is not horrifying.
< 1332525723 373838 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's done via their mmap-alike.
< 1332525724 177285 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"disgarbaged version" :)
< 1332526052 814370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone should just buy some limes and recreate a known-not-infringing version.
< 1332526059 579724 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, now I remember why catalyst was preferred to xf86-video-ati: "dynpm only works when a single head is active".
< 1332526074 460726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it must be Those Specific Limes.
< 1332526081 484279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Spiritual reasons.
< 1332526121 454944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using the "low" profile was annoyingly louder than catalyst. Ah well, maybe I'll try again anyway.
< 1332526247 9593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Woot: http://esolangs.org/forum/
< 1332526257 130182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to put up a notice of historicity, and tell Graue to redirect the voxelperfect URL.
< 1332526641 789444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332526811 494018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body ([^>]*)>/\1 test'
< 1332526813 773284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 24: unterminated `s' command
< 1332526816 458872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body ([^>]*)>/\1 test/'
< 1332526819 252991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 25: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
< 1332526824 670241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body \([^>]*)>/\1 test/'
< 1332526826 770716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/<body \([^>]*\)>/\1 test/'
< 1332526828 29832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 26: Unmatched ( or \(
< 1332526830 143429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah testfoo
< 1332526839 376943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to parse HTML in sed?
< 1332526842 34321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '<body blah>foo' | sed 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 test/'
< 1332526844 807464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe
< 1332526845 449099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<body blah> testfoo
< 1332526903 947242 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332526929 79324 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332526929 761570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 <fizzie> perlbot, html
< 1332526929 923507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 <perlbot> Don't parse or modify html with regular expressions! See one of HTML::Parser's subclasses: HTML::TokeParser, HTML::TokeParser::Simple, HTML::TreeBuilder(::Xpath)?, HTML::TableExtract etc. If your response  begins "that's overkill. i only want to..." you are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy and http://xrl.us/bf4jh6 for why not to use regex on HTML  
< 1332526974 16168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second link seems to go to the zalgofied SO thing.
< 1332526999 592791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : find . -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/<div style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.</strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming languages, the <a href="/wiki/">Esolang wiki</a> is the place to 
< 1332526999 753789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go.</div>/' {}' \;
< 1332527002 979077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE THIS WILL WORK
< 1332527005 938512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh needs more backslashes
< 1332527089 704699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why does that replace all the things in kareha.pl, but none of the html files elsewhere? :(
< 1332527119 805425 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got my WebSplat zalgofier to work :(
< 1332527223 497892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert http://i.imgur.com/uGE2y.png pgm:- | tr '\r' '\n' | tail -n +4 | less
< 1332527261 969857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Deewiant knows.
< 1332527285 991103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't really know; at least the find bit of it should work. (With the caveat that it groups (name *.html) || (path kareha && type f).
< 1332527295 962844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But all *.html are probably files anyway.)
< 1332527410 218139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: sudo find . -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 <p style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.<\/strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming languages, the <a href="\/wiki\/">Esolang wik
< 1332527410 418262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i<\/a> is the place to go.<\/p>/' '{}' \;
< 1332527422 513858 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The -exec only applies to the last thing, you need brackets
< 1332527439 362655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -maxdepth 1 -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.c' -type f -exec ls {} \;
< 1332527439 524129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./arst.c
< 1332527441 988606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -maxdepth 1 \( -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.c' \) -type f -exec ls {} \; 
< 1332527442 149940 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./arst.cc
< 1332527442 150137 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :./arst.c
< 1332527581 66595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's weird.
< 1332527618 221641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda funny how it still manages to inhibit the default 'print' action. But I guess it makes sense.
< 1332527697 986867 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the find command line is like a weird syntax for prolog
< 1332527700 102630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has cuts
< 1332527803 831303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:/srv/esolangs.org/www/static/forum$ sudo find . \( -name '*.html' -o -path './kareha.pl/*' -a -type f \) -exec sed -i 's/\(<body [^>]*>\)/\1 <p style="border: 2px solid red; background: #EEE; color: #000; padding: 1em; margin: 1em"><strong>This forum is closed to new posts due to low activity and a deluge of spam.<\/strong> It is kept online as a static historical record. If you want to read about or discuss esoteric programming 
< 1332527803 992464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages, the <a href="\/wiki\/">Esolang wiki<\/a> is the place to go. You can download an <a href="\/forum\/forum.txz">archive of the forum<\/a> is available.<\/p>/' '{}' \;
< 1332527805 153139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fun.
< 1332527819 715971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I my broke language.
< 1332527833 933177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're still testing -type f only for ./kareha.pl/* files, but I suppose that doesn't matter.
< 1332527901 412967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That was the intention.
< 1332527908 330584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kareha.pl/ contains files like "l50" which are HTML.
< 1332527949 685472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you *want* to try running sed also on directories that have a name that ends up in ".html".
< 1332527994 693325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well... there are exactly two HTML files not in kareha.pl. :p
< 1332528020 360664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How is there even a file inside a Perl script I don't get it BRAIN BORKE"
< 1332528083 662913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Because Deewiant wgetted a site which had /kareha.pl/ CGI URLs. :p
< 1332528156 62804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooo, I think you are having some sort of a system where you can write paths like that and it will make whatever the executable provides available as a userland filesystem style thing.
< 1332528200 390148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there something like that? Any executable could provide a filesystem. Or maybe I'm just thinking of some zzo comments.
< 1332528201 209896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's true also.
< 1332528267 63724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> And also a directory /proc/$$/9p/ which contains a filesystem that the process program can create itself.
< 1332528275 363516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was what I was thinking about.
< 1332528392 988832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think I'll use this forum to post my ideas about my version of C in which the source code is written with s-expressions. If someone happens to reply with something I don't like, I'll just call them an idiot and ignore them. Warned."
< 1332528402 989896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, without Deewiant and I, things like this would be lost to the universe.
< 1332528489 847185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I could then use my s-expression-to-templates translator to build a c compiler in templates
< 1332528535 457930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192759617/l50 <-- PRESERVED FOR THE AGES
< 1332528586 297593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, damn, that'd only work if the C-in-sexps project produced a C-to-sexps translator
< 1332528618 652587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192820791/l50, for what it's worth.
< 1332528630 928414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>4 has nicer formatting than >>1.)
< 1332528657 486922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(The #t parameter is just some flag to say whether the expression needs a ; or whether it's a subexpression.)" -- tut tut, they should clearly have separate functions for expressions and statements.
< 1332528766 26479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some things I might try are; in-built lists, and resultingly, rudimentary gargage collection"
< 1332528770 673627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: LOL. I didn't think it was possible to minimize it any more. Nice work. Magasjukur2 (talk) 08:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
< 1332528770 835302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did really good simplification work. But some reductions remain still almost always as a possibility. -- sarang사랑 08:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
< 1332528783 504816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: HOW IS THERE A CULTURE OF MANUAL SVG MINIMISATION
< 1332528812 354156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AFEMRib.svg -- ooh, this image is GFDL, CC by-sa, *and* public domain.
< 1332528856 606847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now 0.21% of previous size"
< 1332528861 776572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a category for images done in POV-Ray? I remember that the angry Riemann sphere had POV source code in the image description.
< 1332528874 755389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could maybe do with some minimization.)
< 1332528915 231003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it's quite obviously different even when only looking at the thumbnail
< 1332528982 554157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: don't you just mean the "fix blue" one
< 1332528990 895820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix blue -> Disgarbaged -> code simplified looks the same to me
< 1332528999 786095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the full version
< 1332529063 613502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.odkk.ru/ this is still the best
< 1332529069 443387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compare any of those to the original version: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/9/9e/20080127095717!AFEMRib.svg
< 1332529210 22344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, but the first few revisions were by the _original uploader_...
< 1332529216 889910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore desired
< 1332529274 280217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the first one is by Shazz and the one after is Ipankonin? maybe those are the same though
< 1332529321 736372 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :same person, not same picture obviously
< 1332529461 582945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fair enough
< 1332529467 799150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not part of minimisation, is what i meant
< 1332529582 445634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: olsner: You are both treasonous, by the way.
< 1332529607 104079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously
< 1332529752 398586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my... "Is C++ the Language of the Future?"
< 1332529847 706812 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee through nose to keyboard
< 1332530068 267042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I optimized the trilime for you, http://esolangs.org/w/images/c/c9/Logo.png -> http://zem.fi/~fis/trilime.svg -- keep flipping between them, you'll see the resemblance. HTH, HAND.
< 1332530109 126365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, some fidelity might be lost, but it's a great saving in bytes, and scalable to boot.
< 1332530123 59056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft trilime
< 1332530330 268251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332530388 623574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T TEMPT ME, FOLKS
< 1332530432 999827 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, who runs that?
< 1332530464 180609 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Illuminati.
< 1332530482 480516 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :names, addresses, phone numbers
< 1332530498 671613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Who runs what?
< 1332530505 685070 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org
< 1332530512 176466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me. Formerly Graue.
< 1332530532 961637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you seen it yet, I should: put it back.
< 1332530548 824863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have seen it, thank you. (But think of the bandwidth bills you'd save!)
< 1332530577 635736 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, who put the quote "enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" at the bottom?
< 1332530597 643614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me, since I redesigned the front page recently. But RocketJSquirrel put it there originally.
< 1332530601 178643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote matrix of solidity
< 1332530604 387585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :294) <treederwright> enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1332530616 691470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, are you locked in one?
< 1332530629 118682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course he is
< 1332530648 133686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With a little bit more detail and slightly more accurate colours I might have even kept it. :p
< 1332530689 129208 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, xf86-video-ati seems to be working well.
< 1332530705 3211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I'm also to blame for the kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen thing. If you need a scapegoat.
< 1332530780 342611 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of that one
< 1332530796 735710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen
< 1332530799 273321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332530806 548144 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kaksikymment
< 1332530809 686903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332530855 97508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg
< 1332530856 760544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope this helps.
< 1332530897 799628 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page/Kaksikymment%C3%A4nelj%C3%A4tuntiaikakausit%C3%A4m%C3%A4nhetkinen
< 1332530930 906997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the main page used to link to it.
< 1332530932 347170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it didn't.
< 1332530948 741671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I keep thinking "I should delete that", but then that turns into "I should find a way to work a link to that into the main page".
< 1332530955 43623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I can never think of a satisfactory way.
< 1332531040 976106 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "Go to the main page" in Meta?
< 1332531106 562882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://olsner.se/treeleem.svg
< 1332531260 839125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Well, can you think of something more meta?
< 1332531270 387311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's four, moron.
< 1332531279 471110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A QUADLIME
< 1332531291 420155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no it's tree leems
< 1332531300 545049 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go to a discussion of the main page
< 1332531302 874889 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/8d10m.png
< 1332531330 609668 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok, that was actually a mistake, new one at http://olsner.se/treeleem2.svg
< 1332531709 430906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think there's a joke I'm missing.
< 1332531740 222529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332531765 983284 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE… ARE… THREE… LIMES!
< 1332531773 975275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bottom-right one is still too dark :p
< 1332531787 641821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it should be 135x155 (I realise SVGs are scalable, but, you know.)
< 1332531802 674265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stole the colors from fizzie
< 1332531841 267217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should just gcolor "lower right lime"
< 1332531863 881972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie knows all about gcolor.
< 1332531876 356438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you actually meant that gcolor.
< 1332531888 643474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant use gcolor's colour picker to find the colour of the lime.
< 1332531922 773112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, or did I? maybe I did, I dunno.. isn't gcolor what it was called?
< 1332531926 938528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332531933 139098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's thing.
< 1332531941 432012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, exactly
< 1332531959 793145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously: with a better colour for the bottom-right lime, the proper "two-part" border (dark green on outside, lightest green on inside) I'll seriously consider using it :P
< 1332531981 914631 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332532023 86528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you want me to set that as the logo? :p
< 1332532213 872274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's like 10 times the amount of SVG I intended to write today
< 1332532261 918703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You hand-wrote that thing?
< 1332532269 251923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it is OPTOMIZED(tm).
< 1332532305 913292 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just replaced the rectangles with circles of the same size
< 1332532348 191965 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't use stroke/fill patterns...
< 1332532369 724246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: how could I? I don't know what those are :)
< 1332532438 180949 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/painting.html#StrokeProperties
< 1332532553 380496 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be 90% easier than using two circles...
< 1332532561 643186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO 90%
< 1332532594 731907 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably around 40%
< 1332532602 990328 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you measure ease by LOC)
< 1332532609 914844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't
< 1332532614 412064 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bytes of code
< 1332532650 738064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: hmm, waiting for you to do it for us sounds like 100% easier
< 1332532668 549331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you've determined what the Proper way to do it is, it's trivial
< 1332532674 692968 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I have no efficient text editors
< 1332532681 741507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an inefficient one
< 1332532697 538630 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers disagree
< 1332532730 790710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your fingers don't even have a brain
< 1332532781 305395 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have neurons which are registering feelings I generally associate with pain
< 1332532854 322212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, less talking on irc, more fixing olsner's svg, then
< 1332532868 426495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1332532890 371349 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, fizzie is the real winner here
< 1332532965 999278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colors were entirely accurate: I used Gimp's color picker tool to pick them. Admittedly, they're maybe not the *right* accurate colors, but they're certainly colors that existed in the image.
< 1332532986 576826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(post three brown rectangles on IRC, wait for trilime)
< 1332532987 498234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suggest making everything transparent, then :P
< 1332532989 352854 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you pixelate beforehand?
< 1332533007 167644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/images/c/c9/Logo.png says 135x131, I don't know anything else about sizes.
< 1332533021 71517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fizzie and olsner have enslaved themselves; I will now expect them to increment this towards looking like the logo.
< 1332533046 650761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 135x155 is the size of Wikipedia's logo (and thus what the skins are designed for).
< 1332533049 382037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trilime is a bit lopsided.
< 1332533056 924971 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the whole lime idea come from?
< 1332533081 220569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332533093 51176 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/idea/image/
< 1332533113 988294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: CONGRATULATION! You are user # 1, 000, 000 to ask about trilime origin . Click here to claim free viagra
< 1332533125 23751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re stroke/fill, I didn't want to remember how to specify the stroke width.
< 1332533130 666592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Graue saw it (presumably on Commons); (b) he liked it; (c) and thus it was done.
< 1332533150 289385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan, i accept payments in blood
< 1332533160 995056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332533161 236944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1332533164 766079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332533165 77951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 59s ago: "ALTERNATE".
< 1332533165 239176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4h 19m 13s ago: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&diff=prev&oldid=16343 I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU
< 1332533203 541241 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cross_sections_of_limes
< 1332533213 29094 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no apparent copies
< 1332533237 780202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It was deleted.
< 1332533250 604823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From sxc.hu, marked as "public domain" with no particular citation
< 1332533254 210937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand it
< 1332533305 823732 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!? there is category Cross sections of limes in wikimedia commons?
< 1332533405 259434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IT BELONGS THERE
< 1332533508 663832 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limey limey lime lime lime
< 1332533515 226346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You called?
< 1332533521 174657 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have ever tasted limes
< 1332533523 244489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT
< 1332533523 784516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT
< 1332533524 434412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT
< 1332533525 56453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT
< 1332533525 568873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT
< 1332533542 627253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know how you feel when people put entries in the language list out of order?
< 1332533547 788935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
< 1332533551 593587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSTANTLY
< 1332533580 93278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences on your insistence to use ancient r'lyehan alphabetization
< 1332533597 776364 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION interpreted SWAT as the acronym

< 1332533652 1197 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link to the deletion debate? or was it speedily deleted?
< 1332533692 308217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It was deleted as part of a mass cleanup of sxc images -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=File%3AThree+cut+limes.jpg&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=
< 1332533698 839069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, as I understand it, they're actually all-rights-reserved but "free"
< 1332533703 271159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people interpreted this as "public domain"
< 1332533707 613150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey
< 1332533708 221378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48, 23 June 2005 Rex (talk | contribs) uploaded "File:Three cut limes.jpg" (three cut lime Photographer: jefras Source: [http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=104899 Stock.xchng]: ''There are no usage restrictions for this photo.''. A higher resolution image is available for download at the site. {{PD}} )
< 1332533709 22593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link!
< 1332533717 757168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error!
< 1332533717 918796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such photo.
< 1332533718 354643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1332533751 530226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried googling for it and got "This is the 26th Usefulness Lime"
< 1332533788 711844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sxc.hu/profile/jefras
< 1332533795 24337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jefras.com/jefras.com/jefras.html the man
< 1332533817 146569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now how do i convince this guy to release his limes into the public domain
< 1332533912 731733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a retired man and I am not editing wikipedia. Will you and your stupid friends please stop sending me stupid warning messages? I don't know who you are and I don't care about you. Have a bit more care about where you send your messages as I am NOT one of your young friends and I do NOT need to receive your communications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.25.163 (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
< 1332533981 849823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :retired in the memetic "lack of oxygen" sense, it seems
< 1332533982 436095 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so his photos got taken of sxc?
< 1332533989 326725 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off
< 1332534021 460034 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7943512
< 1332534035 846068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad dmm isn't active in the community any more, i'm sure he could make a _mean_ trilime picture
< 1332534056 231218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Oh, that wasn't the guy.
< 1332534066 215015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a random quote.
< 1332534075 633475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go TOO FAST FOR YOU.
< 1332534193 814921 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332534200 573455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332534206 398588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a brilliant esolang
< 1332534210 71441 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a name
< 1332534226 165142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like functional, but looks a bit like BIT
< 1332534239 56987 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBLIT
< 1332534245 765569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example program:
< 1332534246 820800 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY ONE MORE THAN ZERO APPLY APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO ONE MORE THAN ZERO ZERO
< 1332534274 623549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually a full program, merely a program segment)
< 1332534296 926865 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
< 1332534315 764245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1332534325 749930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to use that name
< 1332534330 831230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1332534344 490163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332534345 277723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFNHS3SDD for short.
< 1332534353 368592 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R for even shorter.
< 1332534364 835722 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: R is taken
< 1332534367 125845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have a feeling this language doesn't need abbreviations
< 1332534371 391438 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathnerd: No kidding
< 1332534375 210312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is allergic to them
< 1332534388 292295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, the full name is better
< 1332534411 793208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel compelled to point out that ion used the wrong kind of apostrophe.
< 1332534422 520094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a '.
< 1332534439 329293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speaking of, I might sit down and spec out Johny sometime.
< 1332534448 377266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can create a new category for language's whose names should never be acronymized.  three is enough for a category, right?
< 1332534458 101554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'
< 1332534469 810224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are the other two?
< 1332534470 968898 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nugk2AYvMGg/TW41AYhy1_I/AAAAAAAAAr0/K9yQqE9HfwE/s1600/shairsalon3sheardisaste.jpg
< 1332534483 145847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, have you found a language that the name fits yet?
< 1332534496 324864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does INTERCAL count? that's not quite the same thing
< 1332534499 546720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you saying the spammer got the name wrong?
< 1332534500 865405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I have a feeling the bad apostrophe somehow makes the name slightly better
< 1332534503 112127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm offended.
< 1332534513 318605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: INTERCAL and Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory
< 1332534518 282690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, no. But I figure a language that doesn't fit the name is just as good.
< 1332534583 115892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is a kluge made to decrease the number of keys in mechanical typewriters and later to free some codepoints in ASCII.
< 1332534662 610530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: And a kludge the spammer lovingly adopted.
< 1332534680 601535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :early mechanical typewriters didn't even have 0 or 1 keys, you were meant to use O and I
< 1332534696 9579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this distinct feeling people won't remember having non-straight apostrophes or different opening and closing quotes in a few hundred years.
< 1332534719 691742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a reddit comment explained the invention of the backslash a while back
< 1332534730 583432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it was to make it possible to type /\ and \/
< 1332534746 597782 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332534753 486191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence #1: Nobody gives a shit about them. Evidence #2: 90% of the content on the web is entered in that form (although some things automatically smartify the input, that's not really something that most people would notice).
< 1332534760 616439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence #3: Wikipedia uses the straight forms :p
< 1332534767 736254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ISTR that too
< 1332534811 796475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: As in ∧ and ∨?
< 1332534817 104634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yes
< 1332534834 370184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332534860 496415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ and | were made for ⊥
< 1332534862 773158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: For someone who cares about apostrophes you sure like mangling people's namse :)
< 1332534864 428651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*names
< 1332534868 970388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they didn't invent the backslash to allow directories in DOS?
< 1332534885 673840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliot: Really?
< 1332534897 163776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kick ion
< 1332534923 810815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: don't spell elliott's name, he doesn't like it and there's no excuse given the existence of tab-complete
< 1332534928 222118 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers in names are often just due to the real one being already taken. :-P
< 1332534938 924225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, I find it hard to spell elliott any other way even when it's correct, having known this elliott so long)
< 1332534941 76560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332534943 975097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :828) <itidus21> I have identified a language which was only designed and implemented by me in a parallel universe. [...] IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <itidus21> Ah, yet another brilliant programming language creation of mine!
< 1332534953 510115 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about elly?
< 1332534954 370223 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m ion1 or something in some places but i’d prefer ion.
< 1332534967 216122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that's not a common abbreviation for "elliott"
< 1332534969 821135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ais523 was preceded by 522 ais'.
< 1332534972 220454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aises.
< 1332534973 475792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aisen.
< 1332534977 420306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aisopodes.
< 1332534978 334083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here's a quick thing -- http://zem.fi/~fis/trili3.svg -- but it's in Inkscape, so it's completely unusable; I can optomize it, though; I was just kinda prototyping. (The colors are also somewhat off.)
< 1332534980 105905 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arse
< 1332534986 212597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a moderately common name, but it's short for something else
< 1332534988 846298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what offhand
< 1332534993 992043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "taneb" and "mathnerd" are both wrong. :(
< 1332535001 679603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: plus 100 plus 10 plus 1 if you also count ais0-ais9, ais00-ais99 and ais itself
< 1332535010 465352 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my point was it makes tab-complete difficult
< 1332535058 799576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't notice she was in /here/
< 1332535063 191471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know her from another channel)
< 1332535064 124540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Modulo colours that's getting darn close... the slices look a bit naff, though. Maybe I should start playing around with it myself. Given that I know no SVG, that would be completely practical.
< 1332535083 976278 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1332535098 236124 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and which channel would that be, or is it classified?
< 1332535106 296696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> "You've earned the "monads" badge. See your profile." <-- you are now obligated to make a tutorial.
< 1332535111 146763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, atheme/member/elly... does that mean I can yell at elly whenever services do something stupid?
< 1332535124 986582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ##crawl-dev
< 1332535130 60760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8777216/how-do-you-identify-monadic-design-patterns/8777358#8777358
< 1332535157 41389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads, and design patterns?
< 1332535172 793023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, i like Crawl.
< 1332535180 74373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's the bestest answer to the worstest question.
< 1332535182 630107 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven’t played for ages, though.
< 1332535186 228851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You won't get along with ais523, then!
< 1332535199 60953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or monqy. Do we have any people from Crawl channels that actually like Crawl?
< 1332535199 919858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /want/ to like Crawl, but can't
< 1332535207 104616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then I start playing it again, and remember why I don't like it
< 1332535213 524220 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1332535226 311553 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get code-formatted markup in a table?
< 1332535232 222581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I really know about Crawl is that I hate its interface and a bunch of silly Windows users play it, so it most be terrible.
< 1332535245 481509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: devs are taking it in the wrong direction
< 1332535245 717616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you can start a new line after the | and use the space method, or just use <pre>
< 1332535250 298614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if it's just one-line code, use <code> instead
< 1332535256 180230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, also what ais523 has told me.
< 1332535258 773909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which wrong direction?
< 1332535267 657010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some sort of crusade against tactics
< 1332535276 404222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332535276 645361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the game tends to tend in the direction of obfuscating complexity
< 1332535285 964240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security through obscurity makes no sense in a roguelike…
< 1332535310 644620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Out of curimatosity, how easy would it be to add a radial gradient on each lime centred at the... uh, centre? (I don't need a demonstration. (Mostly because I don't really need/want to see those colours again.))
< 1332535365 650809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite easy.
< 1332535404 153010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw is there a way to say that all <pre>'s inside a table should have class="plain" automatically?  i am starting to think that would be useful...
< 1332535408 578384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting fact: while I have written several MiniMAX interps, I have never dared to run any of them
< 1332535415 955735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does class="plain" on the table work?
< 1332535419 151138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No.
< 1332535421 91393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could do it like .plainlinks.
< 1332535436 162616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Instead of <pre class="plain">, it'd be any <pre> inside a .plainpre
< 1332535459 821622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i _tried_ if class="pre.plain" would work, but alas :(
< 1332535475 849551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that doesn't make any sense at all :)
< 1332535501 835280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was just a wild guess
< 1332535515 780626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Okay, done. (The existing uses will have to be fixed.)
< 1332535530 843465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332535543 672848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just class="plainpre" on something surrounding it and remove the <<class="plain">>s.
< 1332535551 612032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, make that plainpres.
< 1332535724 473602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, I upgraded MediaWiki and you haven't even thanked me yet.
< 1332535739 553728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice synchronicity - it was your MiniMax table that convinced me that something like plainpres was needed :)
< 1332535759 85527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I saw you editing MiniMAX, and being unsure why you were doing so
< 1332535761 719914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you figured it out yet?
< 1332535771 554749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was commenting on MiniMAX /because/ you were editing it)
< 1332535775 468124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured out what?
< 1332535827 223452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just thought i should add a proper table, after doing so for the TC proof
< 1332535845 357104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you were editing it
< 1332535850 399622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also i hit the latter by pressing random
< 1332535857 37552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clicking
< 1332535874 290002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he was unsure why he started his formatting because it's a lot of work, presumably
< 1332535897 769233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess press is also correct in english
< 1332535909 803507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing is OK
< 1332535913 242793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually for buttons though
< 1332535916 861506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you want me to fix the existing uses of pre.plain?
< 1332535978 546908 :einSelbst!~sly@cable-82-119-14-173.cust.telecolumbus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332535989 254384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure >:)
< 1332536015 513204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually, that was meant to make you feel guilty about not yet having done it.
< 1332536033 443168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7
< 1332536071 31707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THANK YOU FOR UPGRADING MEDIAWIKI.  WE ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL, AND GIVE YOU THIS LOLLIPOP ------O
< 1332536107 376387 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1332536143 682667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to operate vim, man!
< 1332536154 682996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to fix them... BY HAND
< 1332536201 642230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you see i haven't finished reading the logs, i have this stackoverflow link open which you linked, and GETTING TO THINGS TAKES TIME
< 1332536258 534598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't even a proper upgrade, anyway, just a security upgrade.
< 1332536262 338845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes his ball and goes home.

< 1332536265 804444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sniffles.

< 1332536305 145169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9751923/church-lists-in-haskell http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9846368/operations-on-church-lists-in-haskell
< 1332536308 479812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
< 1332536341 205263 :cheater!~cheater@g229022101.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332536371 462819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I also did a: http://esolangs.org/forum/
< 1332536383 33808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332536417 34217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, my things-to-remember-to-check queue is overflowing
< 1332536446 324181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I also a-talk'd 'bout it in th'logs.
< 1332536455 825676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332536577 934663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download was originally going to be a really terse language with only four one-character commands
< 1332536593 306361 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\```SS0\\`0`S0SSS0\S0\0 soon became LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY APPLY APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY ZERO APPLY ONE MORE THAN ZERO ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO LAMBDA ONE MORE THAN ZERO LAMBDA ZERO
< 1332536667 601674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Gabe, what was this about...
< 1332536667 915832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `babel' failed with: Error: Language what not supported
< 1332536680 747096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it's just that
< 1332536694 195022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird that it happened while discussing transliteration :P
< 1332536793 72555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I'm haskell, haskell, haskell, monads. <-- that _ought_ to summon some elder god.
< 1332536817 589238 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: How about being able to supply a dictionary of your own names for each command?
< 1332536838 733708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: are you kidding? then how would anyone make a trivial derivative of it by replacing all the commands with animal noises?
< 1332536850 310735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. POSIX implicitly mandates 8-bit char.
< 1332536859 309596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1332536909 944238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, life certainly isn't easy for all those 9-bit machines
< 1332536914 599791 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT SHIT SHIT ELLIOTT ELLIOTT ELLIOTT TRIBBLE TRIBBLE SPOON SHIT SHIT STEVE JOBS SPOON
< 1332536926 26198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: How did you discover my true name?
< 1332536936 637582 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or those 7bit machines
< 1332536942 53261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIBBLE TRIBBLE SPOON SHIT SHIT STEVE JOBS SPOON
< 1332536942 833743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332536944 548956 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: is it runcible?
< 1332536944 888903 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In POSIX, int8_t must exist. Therefore, there must be a type that is exactly 8 bits. All types must be positive integer multiples of char in size. char must be at least 8 bits. Therefore, POSIX char must be 8 bits.)
< 1332536950 451858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332536954 181501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, who upvoted me?
< 1332536956 904776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: char must be at least 8 bits by ISO C, so they're already screwed.
< 1332536959 454845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The design patterns answer, I mean.
< 1332536963 421970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of you upvoted me.
< 1332536965 188457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFESS.
< 1332536985 536608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally, like, retract that and do it after midnight so I get the rep. :p
< 1332537214 281253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-152.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and apparently "char" is defined to be an octet in POSIX. Hey.
< 1332537221 193893 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA96.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332537227 745915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332537268 331872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb ignored my instructions.
< 1332537299 435214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Zero isn't the smallest number.
< 1332537299 712755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1332537452 307269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Does anyone even notice me doing that any more? <-- no.
< 1332537493 28742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus big Omega
< 1332537638 514863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: notice you doing what, btw?
< 1332537712 532031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: My head imploding.
< 1332537716 336790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel once asked me if it happened often.
< 1332537718 224913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereafter, it did.
< 1332537775 805874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do heads implode?
< 1332537792 404850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nobody knoes.
< 1332537794 158875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332537913 620795 :einSelbst!~sly@cable-82-119-14-173.cust.telecolumbus.net PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat"
< 1332538023 479989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should have welcomed that guy.
< 1332538117 621189 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332538163 391032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, with that nick he was destined to be lonely
< 1332538305 535164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it translate to?
< 1332538318 694941 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one self
< 1332538323 128399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one lonely, perhaps
< 1332538363 331625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe oneself, the pronoun
< 1332539290 128199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: HOW IS THERE A CULTURE OF MANUAL SVG MINIMISATION <-- scalable vector golf?
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< 1332540814 788584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :svg isn't as bad as what i am trying to cook up
< 1332540839 317579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :esovector?
< 1332540850 544817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [[Wikipedia: ...]] still don't look like external links okthxbye
< 1332540901 359942 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332540910 910973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i busy myself thinking about ways to make 2d video game coding elegant
< 1332540936 491184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not going to make them look like completely external links...
< 1332540947 952479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use the same colours as external links
< 1332540964 290046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my main point here is that if there is a link to a wikipedia article on a subject which we _might_ want on our wiki ourselves, then it should not look visually to a casual observer like we already _have_ one.
< 1332540985 459959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if there's a slight difference.
< 1332541008 337497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if we might want an article on a subject, an interwiki link is inappropriate...
< 1332541018 565313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could look into adding a "W" icon to the wikipedia interwiki links
< 1332541205 511307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: if we might want an article on a subject, an interwiki link is inappropriate... <-- i don't think that will be possible to police effectively
< 1332541279 848480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if a reader is reading a bad article, all bets are off as far as what impression they get :)
< 1332541305 51759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i really meant "casual possible editor"
< 1332541320 120341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough. like i said, <elliott> i could look into adding a "W" icon to the wikipedia interwiki links
< 1332541333 323415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332541335 283939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh I don't really consider wikipedia all that "external" to us
< 1332541345 218407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332541355 664547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part, you can view esolang as Wikipedia: esoteric languages annex
< 1332541366 136414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except more run-down :)
< 1332541720 118063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy; just construct a new Google which is like based on the old Google, except that the document exists in the new Google. Then you have avoided all side effects on Google. – Kaz 23 mins ago
< 1332541720 279563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP YOU FUCKING MORON YOU HAVE NEVER POSTED ANYTHING IN THE [HASKELL] TAG SO YOU'RE JUST A COMPLETE IDIOT MAKING AN UNINFORMED JOKE FOR NO FUCKING REASON OTHER THAN YOU ARE A SAD, PATHETIC, EXC
< 1332541720 944011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1332541733 384989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I can't stand the jokes people make about Haskell?
< 1332541756 202232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How do I stop hating people?
< 1332541806 460910 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why did the monad cross the road?
< 1332541822 979427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: To sequence the impurity of the container.
< 1332541825 799900 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not gonna say a damn thing
< 1332541837 605457 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you hate yourself?
< 1332541899 790641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i will be glad for myself later
< 1332541913 638163 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, that wasn't a Haskell joke. It was a category theory joke.
< 1332541946 774988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, and tough, I ruined it.
< 1332541967 401526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm starting to regret saying that. Can you remove it from the logs?
< 1332541984 90147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bites my tongue
< 1332541988 315712 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's not how logs work.
< 1332541999 331179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should've said it in... Another channel.
< 1332542021 652669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332542065 760213 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tell me a Haskell joke.
< 1332542073 922132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know.
< 1332542085 733445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one but i refuse to say it
< 1332542095 348821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road?
< 1332542115 399381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
< 1332542116 43172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get to the other side (of the barrier)
< 1332542120 637912 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_censor PRIVMSG elliott!.*
< 1332542146 538288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Hay you!
< 1332542153 742243 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll make a more playful joke
< 1332542154 792532 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because it was too long to around (the barrier).
< 1332542164 536710 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> <_<
< 1332542203 867056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: How do I stop hating people? <-- in theory you should meditate to induce a positive worldview;  I can never seem to make it work for more than a few hours though, after which I feel like shit.
< 1332542222 81785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332542231 295915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think asking for life advice from oerjan is one of the worst mistakes anyone could possibly make.
< 1332542247 448126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332542247 696053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332542254 120669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332542254 364787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 22m 33s ago: Zero isn't the smallest number.
< 1332542256 90720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... unless your supplies of pessimism are running dangerously low.
< 1332542275 762151 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's the smallest number suitable for this context
< 1332542286 738237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't
< 1332542295 515907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends; is it natural numbers? If so, then it will be zero isn't it?
< 1332542295 945566 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY OH NO
< 1332542296 220170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's where I have decided to start counting
< 1332542305 130563 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of GCC 4.7.0, apparently they'
< 1332542309 167151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Did you accidentally censor all my comments?
< 1332542309 669925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332542313 886425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They' indeed.
< 1332542321 150583 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of GCC 4.7.0, apparently they're not distributing gcc-{core,c++,etc}-version.tar.foo files
< 1332542321 355435 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: How do I stop hating people? <<  i'm certainly not oerjan which makes this even worse. however, construct a new elliott which is like based on the old elliott except the hating people doesn't exist in the new elliott
< 1332542322 416463 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8
< 1332542328 726661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that matter?
< 1332542356 254398 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make your JIT dc not compile?
< 1332542372 942668 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It just means you always have to specify --enable-languages=c
< 1332542380 34477 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just downloading only the core.
< 1332542392 18213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
< 1332542394 416380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <shachaf> zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road?  <zzo38> shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
< 1332542395 767620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1332542397 420913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :829) <shachaf> zzo38: Why did the barrier monad cross the road?  <zzo38> shachaf: My answer is the same as before; I don't know.
< 1332542400 361284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bolding went terribly wrong.
< 1332542427 56451 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't get it.
< 1332542429 868898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts Jobs For 14 Year Olds In Memphis on the language name queue.

< 1332542480 643414 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like how REDACTED_IN_THIS_CHANNEL?
< 1332542514 341879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You're accidentally redacting other messages before they're even sent.
< 1332542524 225542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Well... unless your supplies of pessimism are running dangerously low. <-- there was a time i thought this method _would_ work, before i realized the aftereffects don't go away with any amount of practice i have patience for.
< 1332542571 694123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CRAZY I KNOW
< 1332542613 650124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> oerjan: I don't get it. <-- IS FUNNY JOKE
< 1332542628 305444 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I heard that █████████ in ████████████████████, Tennessee██████████████paringl████████████████ of another ███.
< 1332542633 989816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1332542669 349958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things I dislike about the gloss package; one thing is in my opinion Picture should be an opaque type without Eq, rotation being counterclockwise, and other things. I do have other idea too
< 1332542709 165252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I heard ██████ ████d in the ████ with the ██████. Disgust███.
< 1332542753 994942 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ███████████████.
< 1332542784 788833 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :████ █████ ████ █ █████ ██ ████ ██ ████████ ███ ██████ ██ ████ ██ ███████████ ██ ██ elliott.
< 1332542865 838893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :█ █████ ████ ████ ██ █ ██████ █████ ███ ██ ██ ████.  █ ██ ████ █ ████████.
< 1332542869 252531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :█
< 1332542911 529125 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332542915 775653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say anything worth the bytes 
< 1332542963 384114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, it sure is spheroidal in here today, isn't it?
< 1332543021 489962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See what I did there?
< 1332543056 976379 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to go.

< 1332543060 74501 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun!
< 1332543082 612837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :████, idk if you're ██ ████ neither if ███'██ ██ type, but even if █████ perfect matches, it wouldn't ██████ if you're looking for a presential █████ once █'█ in Brazil
< 1332543086 52474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1143921272/l50 -- everyone in 2006 is a loser.
< 1332543097 92294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write, like, ten BF programs that output Graham's number.
< 1332543113 946550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Jafet doing in 2006?!
< 1332543175 388066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this kind of code?   conversion/"gain",#1[numeric],"life": gen_gain_life(#1)[action]; rule/gen_gain_life(#1): switch( and(greater(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),do_gain_life(#1), and(equal(#1,0),has_property(property.life)),relax(), true(),action_fail() ); rule/do_gain_life(#1): set(property.life,add(get(property.life),#1));
< 1332543309 431124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to know.
< 1332543419 723397 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-126.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332543534 766475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone in here know about these kinds of programming codes?
< 1332543584 912823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its obviously related to game of life
< 1332543614 595217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not.. maybe not
< 1332543720 257828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw have you used class="plain" in any articles other than that brainfuck bitwidth conversions one?
< 1332543736 106409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm assuming no one but us two have used it)
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< 1332543776 977830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems impossible to search for
< 1332543793 900248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1332543801 290888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and qdeql are the only uses afaik
< 1332543827 573467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ones i added yesterday :P
< 1332543844 451334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1332543971 378324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it seems to take the form a0/b0: c0; a1/b1: c1; ... aN/bN: cN;
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< 1332544053 905865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oops, what's the syntax for having more than one class on an item?
< 1332544133 165354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: class="a b"
< 1332544139 361063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332544354 47405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo
< 1332544365 658533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a market town in northern england is wikipedia's today's featured article
< 1332544368 512792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even hexham!!!
< 1332544379 926295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone will pay dearly for this.
< 1332544411 708125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly they've... quadrice our population. what is thrice for four
< 1332544497 125483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the parameter counts i see are get(a),set(a,b),switch(a,b,c,d,e,f),greater(a,b),and(a,b),has_property(a),equal(a,b),relax(),true(),action_fail(),add(a,b)
< 1332544630 931217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Actually some are supposed to be varying number of parameters
< 1332544644 660550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch looks like it varies
< 1332544666 844836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well as if i would know .. but i am drawing attention to it
< 1332544670 360024 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1332544677 793235 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i hehe'd again
< 1332544682 721879 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so selfconcious of that now
< 1332544743 980428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers it might be a good idea to set vim to use utf-8

< 1332544833 576896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is however a great distarction from my problems
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< 1332544986 824385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quadruple
< 1332545015 544713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must great happiness be followed by great distress.... i suppose we evolved to deal with both
< 1332545093 666983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. duh.
< 1332545375 126379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the same theory i mentioned above says that the first step to changing that is to stop believing it has to be true.  (no, i never made that work either.)
< 1332545394 161831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know whats better than utf-8?  a billion dollars!
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< 1332545420 7472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only subjectively
< 1332545428 377 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :objectively utf-8 is superior
< 1332545516 40683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly though i have not felt happier in quite a long time.. as on my birthday i got a nice new graphics card.. and have been floating on this fact like a cloud
< 1332545546 454288 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i find a bill on the kitchen bench which dredges up things i forgot all about.. 
< 1332545605 128586 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why god why.. 
< 1332545665 286341 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explained to me that if i had have gone to bring the form which would have meant no paying that i would have been hit by a bus while crossing a road
< 1332545693 288843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything went better than expected
< 1332546110 189270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, and() could take any number of parameters, and switch() could take any even number of parameters.
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< 1332546443 193838 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332546458 398734 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ a function which demands an even number of params
< 1332546464 42994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry no offence intended
< 1332546543 247806 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just something i havent heard of
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< 1332547735 851059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it is because first parameter is condition, and then after that is the value in case this condition, and then next condition afterward, etc
< 1332548064 977427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. that makes sense of course.. im just rambling
< 1332548504 406164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is something a bit like Lisp, but it is not like Lisp.
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< 1332577161 452626 :Twirt199!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List
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< 1332577223 832310 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332577265 941565 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List
< 1332577282 241654 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List
< 1332577298 817833 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy or difficult is it to write a Nonsense Query List?
< 1332577504 324693 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's Ehird?
< 1332577567 667424 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any opinions on writing Nonsense Query Lists?
< 1332577574 344980 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
< 1332578195 851251 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332578506 969701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332579648 647734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332579663 244652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332579773 600195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the game consist of, fire, earth, water, air, and the goal of the game is to make more air?
< 1332579792 13278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds familiar
< 1332579957 18291 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332579957 399922 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1332579957 562128 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332580774 583597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a way to represent a form for picture distortion? One idea I have, is using the RGB of a PNG file so that there is relative 12-bits X and Y coordinates on each pixel to tell which one from source to copy? Is there other idea?
< 1332580866 884135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that, for example, in TeXnicard you can tell it to make the text for the name of the card to be curved, or slanted, and other things like that)
< 1332580930 961712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-194-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332580954 415022 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-126.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1332580981 344352 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332581052 57647 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Internally in TeXnicard, all pictures are either monochrome bitmaps or grayscale; so you need to copy each channel of RGM into grayscale and vice versa)
< 1332581058 172324 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332581338 224365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard uses floating points for only one purpose. Do you know which one it is?
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< 1332587325 828375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332587330 49007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE WIKI?!
< 1332587350 396104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should block this NSQX person
< 1332587370 460695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ping
< 1332587371 562960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping
< 1332587373 699356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ping
< 1332587374 962923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ping
< 1332587375 860932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ping
< 1332587380 82940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ping
< 1332587387 189977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: ping
< 1332587463 87392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, mostly looks like changes to the main page and baffling featured languages changes
< 1332587494 983898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ping
< 1332587525 150242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi
< 1332587531 468173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, recent changes
< 1332587561 163688 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best spambot
< 1332587579 337598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a bot, either someone trying to cause chaos or a way, way overenthusiastic person.
< 1332587591 142107 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that back
< 1332587596 539849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get to reverting the mess they made...
< 1332587598 435453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see he tried to find you on here? 
< 1332587602 214141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as best as the spambot that removed paragraphs and replaced them with misspelled complements
< 1332587606 538971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:19 < Twirt199> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List
< 1332587607 297678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I checked the logs to figure out WTF was going on.
< 1332587615 276411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okays.
< 1332587633 160478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also as NSQX, I suppose it's the same person.)
< 1332587639 571360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think a day's block might be in order. ("Assume good faith", and so on.)
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< 1332587717 829749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* This was created as a start of porting MediaWiki to support Nonsense Query List databases, which should then be the database type that Esolang's MediaWiki software uses */
< 1332587725 899759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at the wiki at all. But yes, sounds like overenthusiasm.
< 1332587776 494060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, looks like it's the creator of Basic Input/Output Commands.
< 1332587923 888503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I need adult supervision, do I block this guy for a day or not :|
< 1332587926 735679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're, like, the maturest op.
< 1332587950 32885 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332587970 64102 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332587994 30453 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://esolangs.org/wiki/LOLCODE now better than a stub?
< 1332588002 702699 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:LOLCODE
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< 1332588383 224644 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What monqy?
< 1332588389 305580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's me
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< 1332588421 415612 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read these two pages, monqy?
< 1332588431 859864 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that http://esolangs.org/wiki/LOLCODE is now better than a stub, monqy?
< 1332588466 545323 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, what is the monqy doing?
< 1332588562 951688 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don;t qnow if i'm qualified to say
< 1332588614 296119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much experience with wiki page standards and grading
< 1332588619 447159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by much I mean
< 1332588620 478250 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any at all
< 1332588641 680036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But what *is* the monqy doing.
< 1332588669 378431 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then is anyone else, like Ehird or Orejan available for reviewing those pages?
< 1332588712 350266 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is being here doing enough
< 1332588721 729771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ehird. oerjan uses the same name on IRC.
< 1332588722 955564 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm looking between the lolcode page and irc
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< 1332588791 707830 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think that http://esolangs.org/wiki/LOLCODE is now better than a stub?
< 1332588803 881487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's certainly larger than most stubs now :)
< 1332588808 546774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the message I left you on your user talk page?
< 1332588917 584306 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, it's certainly larger than most stubs now :)" - does that mean that it is now okay to remove {{stub}} from the page about LOLCODE?
< 1332588931 425726 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the message you left on my talk page.
< 1332588975 926153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, generally we like to have a relatively complete specification of a language before considering it a non-stub, i.e. examples and the like usually don't count towards non-stubness. But I'm not sure, I'd wait for other people to reply on the talk page for other opinions.
< 1332589007 357740 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone in the Esolang community will probably just remember this day, a week before April Fools Day, as a very enthusiastic day at Esolang.
< 1332589070 398566 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1332589086 961130 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
< 1332589090 29469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1332589104 825268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
< 1332589114 365525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have become
< 1332589116 306255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely semicolons
< 1332589146 440058 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that LOLCODE spec right??
< 1332589151 888242 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lacks both functions and loops.
< 1332589163 691318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what right is any more
< 1332589164 264667 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that spec is not turing complete, which I'm 99% sure LOLCODE is.
< 1332589177 708675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=LOLCODE&oldid=23618 is what it was before
< 1332589185 323827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"main" keywords i think it's just a partial list or whatever
< 1332589427 404362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <NSQX> Anyone in the Esolang community will probably just remember this day, a week before April Fools Day, as a very enthusiastic day at Esolang.
< 1332589436 755986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe adding a quote will help me understand
< 1332589437 469987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :830) <NSQX> Anyone in the Esolang community will probably just remember this day, a week before April Fools Day, as a very enthusiastic day at Esolang.
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< 1332589572 53731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder if the newly-added libraries are in any standard or implementation, though.
< 1332589578 739002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode.com is quite a mess. :/
< 1332589616 882204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last posts on the forum seem to be from early 2009.
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< 1332589952 60868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the "VISIBLE" thing is standard.
< 1332589955 92792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the file IO seems: not.
< 1332589972 428305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll look into whether the changes are correct later and revert if not.
< 1332590000 904125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering, since the changelog comment was "-- created a few new LOLCODE libraries --"
< 1332590010 790593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, the Unix one and all that are nonsense.
< 1332590015 630996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the STDIO one is at least partially correct.
< 1332590038 194915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The "standard" thing for extensions to other people's languages is to create a new page with them, but I hope you can understand I'm reluctant to suggest that.
< 1332590147 308767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the looping construct apparated right now.
< 1332590730 72941 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332590873 992604 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people, I only thought of all LOLCODE extensions having similar names to the original C/C++ header filenames, but adding support for code that looks like LOLSPEAK for doing almost the same things as the equivalent C/C++ libraries.
< 1332590908 65335 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, "CAN HAZ STDLIB?" in LOLCODE would be the same as #include <stdlib.h> in C/C++,
< 1332590930 121490 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAN HAZ WCHAR?" in LOLCODE would be the same as #include <wchar.h> in C/C++,
< 1332590952 232601 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAN HAZ IOSTREAM?" in LOLCODE would be the same as #inlcude <iostream> in C/C++,
< 1332590974 562472 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "CAN HAZ WINDBLOZE?" in LOLCODE would be the same is "#include <windows.h>" in Microsoft Visual C++
< 1332591038 500750 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I HAZ A TIMESTAMP ITZ DA NIX TIMESTMP F DA DAT N TIME NOW/LOL TIMESTAMP R DA NIX TIMESTMP F DA DAT N TIME NOW" in LOLCODE would be the same as "timestamp = time(NULL);" in C/C++
< 1332591071 556717 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what a Unix timestamp is, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_timestamp .
< 1332591085 521198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332591097 468377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1332591097 850993 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1332591103 782608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you mention this
< 1332591249 764524 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'PLZ OPEN FILE "C:\autoexec.bat"' in LOLCODE is almost the same as 'file = fopen("C:\autoexec.bat");' in C/C++
< 1332591263 472082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332591273 552624 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PLZ OPEN FILE" is also documented in Wikipedia's article about LOLCODE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE )
< 1332591285 79770 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could easily mean it IS standard LOLCODE.
< 1332591289 54749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question remains
< 1332591291 245840 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you getting at
< 1332591564 200283 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to bring something up
< 1332591564 724323 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with
< 1332591565 502424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the official example -- http://lolcode.com/examples/filezorz -- it puts a file handle in the variable, not the contents. But anyway. LOLCODE is so poorly specified; there's just the 1.2 standard, and it's pretty sparse.
< 1332591568 610655 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lolcode standardization committee
< 1332591571 938245 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know where to consult with them
< 1332591606 710971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: They have a dead wiki and a dead forum, you could try those.
< 1332591615 548784 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I'm not into dead people
< 1332591617 162488 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -that- way
< 1332591643 113087 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the other way
< 1332591656 612647 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1332591659 765127 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to think about that a moment
< 1332591665 516741 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK THINK THANK THUNK THONK
< 1332591666 296769 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1332591675 366144 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332591683 582438 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332591741 511793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the other way
< 1332591750 794284 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332591768 199556 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to know
< 1332591768 645334 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332591774 439089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332591892 699708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to bring down the lolcode standardization committee
< 1332591937 196396 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332592222 242353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1332592378 662520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4471
< 1332592378 902446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332592583 276541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.baldursgate.com/news/2012/03/21/baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-for-ipad-3/ -- didn't someone predict it's a tablet version? 
< 1332592585 945599 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B74B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332592631 934643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe that's just in addition to the computaur version.)
< 1332592661 853647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predicted, I think. Though I think I was parrotting another prediction.
< 1332592751 783863 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332592838 194284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332593124 855575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mconcat [([],[1],[]), ([1],[],[])]
< 1332593125 727686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ([1],[1],[])
< 1332593238 581545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, golf me a function to turn [ [ [1], [], [2] ], [ [3,4], [5], [7] ] ] into [ [1,3,4], [5], [2,7] ].
< 1332593248 604364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332593425 650072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (zipWith (++)) [[],[],[]] $ [ [ [1], [], [2] ], [ [3,4], [5], [7] ] ]
< 1332593427 156215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,3,4],[5],[2,7]]
< 1332593472 584705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(a,b,c) -> [a,b,c]) . mconcat . ((\[a,b,c] -> (a,b,c)) <$>) $ [ [ [1], [], [2] ], [ [3,4], [5], [7] ] ]  -- to follow your own mconcat, short and simple as anything, HTH.
< 1332593474 79552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,3,4],[5],[2,7]]
< 1332593551 942356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)
< 1332593552 786302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a -> Bool] -> [a] -> [[a]]
< 1332593698 652290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)
< 1332593698 958270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((.) . foldr (zipWith (++)) . ([] <$)) (map . flip (map . liftM2 (.) (<$) ((guard .) . flip id)))
< 1332593716 266266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I was hoping for much more flips and .s.
< 1332593739 974323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Points if you can tell what that does. :p
< 1332593742 230916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without testing it.
< 1332593747 367300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or looking anything up.
< 1332593845 170453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could guesstimate directly from the type.
< 1332593940 971612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, yeah, I shouldn't have done that :t.
< 1332594085 449229 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1332594234 539137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip (map . flip filter)) [odd, even, (>5)] [1..10]  -- I would expect something like that from the :t
< 1332594236 146293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,3,5,7,9],[2,4,6,8,10],[6,7,8,9,10]]
< 1332594363 758197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's that, except it only tramaverses the lyste wunce.
< 1332594448 7584 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332594457 240653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-194-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332594995 603187 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Objective_LOLCODE
< 1332595068 287786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, I'd politely ask you to die but elliott would probably yell at me for being mean.
< 1332595090 808285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not brainfuck.
< 1332595125 377357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is a really cheerful person.
< 1332595140 366734 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two variants of LOLCODE: original LOLCODE and Objective LOLCODE
< 1332595148 793655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; rather than a crappy derivative of an interesting language it's a crappy derivative of the worst thing ever to be called esoteric.
< 1332595241 655459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Objective brainfuck! It's just like brainfuck, except if you have two "+"s consecutively, it does like HQ9++ does.
< 1332595342 305281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway regarding Objective LOLCODE, http://lolcode.com/proposals/1.3/bukkit and http://lolcode.com/proposals/1.3/bukkit2
< 1332595357 841014 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no such thing as Objective Brainfuck, or even Objective FALSE, because a programming language made of only symbols can only be esoteric/pointless.
< 1332595377 427142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile LOLCODE is simply pointeless.
< 1332595381 765297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pointless.
< 1332595476 439093 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is a such thing as Objective LOLCODE because LOLCODE can actually be similar to Ruby or C (just as a LOLSPEAK-like version, that's the only change)
< 1332595502 494415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely why most people don't consider LOLCODE a very good esolang.
< 1332595515 876065 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
< 1332595550 747753 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332595560 571025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FSVO "most people" and all that. Uh.
< 1332595660 90979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, I think BUKKITs have some sort of a quasi-standard status, being that they're an "official" proposal and have some amount of support in implementations.
< 1332595668 757183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people who *matter*.
< 1332597231 846853 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332597269 449190 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-204-143.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332597378 484004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where was that trilime SVG?
< 1332597558 231176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/trili3.svg was the last one.
< 1332597567 915018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Inkscape prototype, I mean.
< 1332597666 317441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1332598012 151127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was the colour for each of the limes just a random picking from them, or an average of some kind?
< 1332598347 172622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I understand that wikipedia is reluctant to allow its self to be used as a source, but, how can we expect others to take us seriously if we ourselves do not?"
< 1332598946 999937 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read your SICP today?
< 1332599780 613346 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332599871 924344 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That SVG is painfully flat X-D
< 1332599873 967012 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332599877 384486 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unsurprisingly)
< 1332599894 581404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: "Flat"?
< 1332599988 804819 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no texture.
< 1332600051 556865 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-198.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332600250 492484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, yeah.
< 1332600668 75456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel isn't happy enough.
< 1332600753 617300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Stop appearing where I least expect you!
< 1332600753 888102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332600769 507846 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-198.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1332601382 427724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1332601474 973088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked a random pixel but from a subjectively more or less "representative" region.
< 1332601500 255398 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332601504 154378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With emphasis on the 'more or less'.
< 1332601511 361497 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332601520 675081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the colours are certainly "close" in an objective sense, it's just that e.g. the bottom-right one looks more like a strangely dark lime than the reality of a lime of the same colour with a shadow over it.
< 1332601530 599773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what happens when you don't have any detail :P
< 1332601575 820110 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332601594 178489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a two dimensional language with multi-threading support, right?
< 1332601599 282797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was its name again?
< 1332601635 5093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Befunge-98?
< 1332601638 109714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THere are probably several.
< 1332601640 563805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*There
< 1332601641 323461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to mention ATHR at this juncture.
< 1332601646 501354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about: don't.
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< 1332601652 629395 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1332601783 433439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bloated SNUSP" has concurrency too.
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< 1332602022 593402 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of something based on circuits
< 1332602025 339423 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :including delays
< 1332602150 946287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few circuity esolangs.
< 1332602157 110487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think at least some of those support "multithreading" by virtue of everything happening globally so you can have two copies of the same thing and they'll run simultaneously.
< 1332602309 285373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e you send an information package around
< 1332602313 751459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be copied
< 1332602337 16559 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have stations which can inspect packages and stuff like that.
< 1332602356 365377 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "+" receives a package, it waits five ticks for another package to arrive
< 1332602358 50786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :opens them
< 1332602371 582227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds the content together
< 1332602384 134455 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sends a new package with the new information
< 1332602422 364226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... that repackaging costs time
< 1332602431 394580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i.e it takes 1 tick to do that
< 1332602482 786157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which results in a LOT of timing issues while programming in that language :)
< 1332602514 965654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may need to add extra delays to slow packages down if one would arrive too fast
< 1332602618 797164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and packages can crash together :)
< 1332602707 483880 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if they cross their ways in the two dimensional space)
< 1332602712 171697 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be very often.
< 1332602725 633869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can only store data in travelling packages :)
< 1332603272 267291 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-102.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332603369 197937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fpaste.org/v7Lg/ <- like that
< 1332603385 182192 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :read takes a package, empties it and fills it with stin
< 1332603395 175330 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> copies the package and sends the copy to the right
< 1332603396 93443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `copies'Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: `package'Not in scop...
< 1332603402 586078 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original package passes through it
< 1332603423 107884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds sufficiently similar to My name is Johny, what the F**K????? that I'll just accuse you of plagiarism without trying to understand it :P
< 1332603459 5851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1332603492 383045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Johny, what the F**K????? is the name of the esolang I'm legally obligated to create per the Deleted Spam Pages on Esolang Act of 2011.
< 1332603494 761887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it 2010?
< 1332603503 721948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010.
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< 1332604176 165760 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1332604729 435846 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332605516 427120 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332606124 730575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey.
< 1332606127 344427 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332606133 676978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had forgonutted.
< 1332606675 870911 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e2cf.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332606798 694889 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332607165 682991 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1332607495 784279 :augur_!~augur@206.196.186.161 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332607625 713337 :augur_!~augur@206.196.186.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332609037 487444 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1332609144 915081 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332609195 423961 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the time when I left this channel and what was my quit message?
< 1332609369 546514 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping
< 1332609423 235677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332609534 17451 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing my connection works again. When I used nmap -sO on my router my network connection went away for 20 seconds or so
< 1332609669 910694 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Logs are linked to in the topic
< 1332609780 221995 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. That's pretty neat
< 1332609949 500086 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332610144 544400 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332610166 790689 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332610206 312089 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332610315 690852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332610717 260658 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332611325 469900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep ais523 /var/irclogs/_esoteric/2012-03-??.txt | paste
< 1332611330 361023 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31451
< 1332611422 89719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) [even, odd] [0..]
< 1332611422 930762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1332611432 48143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)) [even, odd] [0..]
< 1332611434 320338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: stack overflow
< 1332611438 69316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1332611456 107035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)) [even, odd] [0..100]
< 1332611457 669938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,...
< 1332611461 102819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)) [even, odd] [0..1000]
< 1332611462 703498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,...
< 1332611483 240620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterMulti fs xs = go (reverse xs) (repeat []) where  go [] acc = acc ;  go (y:ys) acc = go ys $ zipWith (\f a -> if f y then y:a else a) fs acc in filterMulti [even, odd] [0..1000]
< 1332611484 153007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,...
< 1332611486 931384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterMulti fs xs = go (reverse xs) (repeat []) where  go [] acc = acc ;  go (y:ys) acc = go ys $ zipWith (\f a -> if f y then y:a else a) fs acc in filterMulti [even, odd] [0..]
< 1332611494 508955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval: ExitFailure 1
< 1332611494 694968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined
< 1332611503 597057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 . head $ (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)) [even, odd] [0..]
< 1332611507 607616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1332611509 154072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 . head $ (\ps -> foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)) [even, odd] [0..]
< 1332611513 539144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1332611546 722178 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming language is that?
< 1332611569 668228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Haskell.
< 1332611570 560729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1332611571 376447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1332611572 464798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell.
< 1332612084 967443 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e2cf.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332612097 682136 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f134.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332612369 685206 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh
< 1332612372 575670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2012-03-24 18:06:12--  http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... failed: Connection refused.
< 1332612395 351268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fetch for that.
< 1332612413 258383 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fetch http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh
< 1332612416 307141 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: fetch: command not found
< 1332612420 478194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a command.
< 1332612421 935152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1332612424 66473 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1332612436 95841 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh
< 1332612439 782929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-24 18:07:19 URL:http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh [317/317] -> "vpenis.sh" [1] 
< 1332612470 139114 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 755 vpenis.sh
< 1332612473 48774 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332612488 492919 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./vpenis.sh
< 1332612492 766582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./vpenis.sh: 2: bc: not found \ df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
< 1332612494 936156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: Whatever you do won't help.
< 1332612505 936830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a thing.
< 1332612507 816325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not trying to be a crack.
< 1332612517 789826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it was one of the: "'sploits" the "kids" were doing "these days".
< 1332612537 200302 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to run vpenis.sh on HackBot
< 1332612543 328076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did.
< 1332612549 552974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it does assume some sanity from the surrounding system.
< 1332612636 879639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also been a bit of a length inflation in vpenii these days.
< 1332612680 485524 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It calculates length of virtual penis from processor speed, amount of free memory, disks and uptime
< 1332612701 452594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/calculates/tries to calculate/
< 1332612707 40712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say. Obsession of the man is one of the most unknown and frightful phenomena, which stops evolutionary development of the man and brings its to full spiritual (and often to physical) death.
< 1332612791 321788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 174.1cm at work, 237.1cm at home, and 3383.1cm on the university's shell server. Someone should maybe adjust the constants slightly to match Moore's length. I mean, law.
< 1332612817 481074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh | sh
< 1332612817 642491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
< 1332612817 642674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
< 1332612817 642785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100   317  100   317    0     0     75      0  0:00:04  0:00:04 --:--:--  2990
< 1332612817 642943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: line 2: bc: command not found
< 1332612821 367454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my system isn't: sane.
< 1332612831 358264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lack of 'bc' is very much not sane.
< 1332612839 20374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you do all your calculating with dc? 
< 1332612846 480472 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when I ran it on my computer, that is quite obsolete these days after I made it work on Darwin it showed that length of my vpenis is 7633.9cm
< 1332612848 250236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's reasonable. But still.)
< 1332612863 753663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I use Google as my calculator. :p
< 1332612874 17578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl -s http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh | sh
< 1332612874 182231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :220.6cm
< 1332612883 313947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not how big it is, it's how you use it.
< 1332612884 351272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it gives rather a lot weight on dick space. I mean, disk space.
< 1332612886 67482 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to make vpenis.sh dc compatible
< 1332612912 751054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the uptime thing makes it fluctuate.
< 1332612945 479674 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have just 40GB disk, but my uptime is something like 120 days
< 1332613020 999184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~$ curl -s http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh | sh
< 1332613021 160441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :58.8cm
< 1332613029 36133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this script.
< 1332613060 41890 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332613102 90510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit where it gives a *2 score when the dick, I mean disk, devices have "/dev/scsi" or "/dev/sd" in them is also pretty obsoletated now that IDE disks are 'sdX' too. Not to mention that my /dev/mapper/ LVM things then don't match.
< 1332613105 885765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332613112 936759 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you install bc or is that another machine?
< 1332613145 375928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed bc for:
< 1332613146 104598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> $ curl -s http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh | sh
< 1332613146 266234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> 220.6cm
< 1332613151 544359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But solidity is the server Esolang runs on.
< 1332613155 352939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has dc already, apparently.
< 1332613156 502784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bc
< 1332613163 186892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@iris:~/mem$ sh vpenis.sh 
< 1332613163 348638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :27.3cm
< 1332613166 717249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now.
< 1332613171 17676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the Atom box.)
< 1332613192 73832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone try it on one of those plug computers.
< 1332613200 463567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an Atari.
< 1332613214 224527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the uptime ratings are zeros here thanks to yesterday's electricity break.
< 1332613254 288836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@selene:~$ sh vpenis.sh 
< 1332613254 450350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :23.4cm
< 1332613260 704019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prgmr VPS managed to go even lower.
< 1332613272 629582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's up 104 days, doesn't seem to help much.
< 1332613274 629943 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332613293 682117 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2028.6cm
< 1332613307 949650 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cat: cannot open /proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory
< 1332613323 273951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332613333 168874 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what OS are you running?
< 1332613340 903798 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sh: line 2: bc: command not found
< 1332613363 203062 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sh: line 2: bc: command not found
< 1332613374 413150 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was desktop, fileserver, firewall, and laptop, respectively
< 1332613378 561725 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332613388 299381 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And the non-Linux one was Solaris 11
< 1332613402 731686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332613426 253321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :130.4cm on the laptop after installing bc
< 1332613437 975148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 55.8cm on the firewall
< 1332613439 212654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd try it on that silly NAS disk-share box I have, but it's not on, and it's not exactly maybe worth it.
< 1332613446 298154 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it even do?
< 1332613447 797693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332613469 164437 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewian: I'll post the version that doesn't requite /proc shortly
< 1332613483 636553 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's the -x nfs that's presumably failing
< 1332613484 892923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit from cpuinfo is "sum of cpu MHz lines / 30".
< 1332613487 878329 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And explaining my high score
< 1332613500 301882 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -P -k -x nfs most definitely includes my NFS :-P
< 1332613546 40665 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: -x nfs4 required, I guess
< 1332613562 855187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it reports 3726.3cm at work if I don't have "-x nfs" in.
< 1332613576 493367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :674.4cm with the -x nfs4
< 1332613584 304523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> fis@selene:~$ sh vpenis.sh 
< 1332613584 465956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> 23.4cm
< 1332613584 466203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> The prgmr VPS managed to go even lower.
< 1332613587 695633 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still probably counts things multiple times
< 1332613590 370791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ha, my Linode is "teh superiore", as they say.
< 1332613597 230655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I have "rootfs" and "/dev/root" in that
< 1332613626 243705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's all kinds of tmpfs things, too, that arguably should maybe not count.
< 1332613661 353460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, tmpfs  and devtmpfs
< 1332613673 390365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit it needs cpuinfo for is "sum of 'cpu MHz:' lines / 30", which means turning on hyperthreading can double your vpenis size -- well, the CPU part of it -- overnight.
< 1332613676 118226 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :df -P -k -x nfs -x nfs4 -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs -x rootfs
< 1332613745 460655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Triton I get (standard_in) 1: syntax error
< 1332613768 205274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's when you have something that gets represented in exponential notation.
< 1332613797 915113 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where?
< 1332613812 577379 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, from awk?
< 1332613814 897132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By awk, somewhere. Probably in the disk space.
< 1332613826 751741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5864e+06/15+70
< 1332613828 23583 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1332613836 683992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: E.g. check out this thing:
< 1332613838 732303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[htkallas@pc112 ~]$ sh vpenis.sh 
< 1332613838 893768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3726.3cm
< 1332613842 411432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[htkallas@pc112 ~]$ ls /share/work/{htkallas,itniemin,mniemenm} >/dev/null 2>&1
< 1332613845 687851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[htkallas@pc112 ~]$ sh vpenis.sh 
< 1332613848 187687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standard_in) 1: syntax error
< 1332613852 17972 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332613853 82887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automounting the work disk three times was too much for it.
< 1332613926 194586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5864e+06/15 would've yielded you 23909.3 cm.
< 1332613930 650961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with Finns and their having Finnish names?
< 1332613976 274368 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :25942.6cm without -x nfs.
< 1332613986 307640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use NFS?
< 1332613997 697179 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332614020 195909 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :924.8cm with -x nfs -x lustre. :-P
< 1332614030 375977 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but it must be executed with -x nfs. Otherwise it is not real vpenis.sh
< 1332614054 581409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x nfs is just a bit arbitrary.
< 1332614058 925634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, this is on that cluster thing?
< 1332614077 5436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's more plausible than a Finnish home user using NFS, but you never know with them Finns.
< 1332614080 908826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to get rid of remote filesystems, there are more types than that, which seems to include only NFSv3. And then there's the tmpfs stuff mentioned earlier.
< 1332614090 209550 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use NFS at home.
< 1332614107 964078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 23909.3 / 25942.6 was on the cluster.
< 1332614127 67355 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2028.6 at home, without -x nfs4.
< 1332614174 301956 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 3726.3 at work from fizzie.
< 1332614182 619392 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. Does free command show free memory size in mb?
< 1332614189 680997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: See, you *are* weird.
< 1332614192 176537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: free -m does.
< 1332614209 464760 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: If you just use free, it's in kilobytes.
< 1332614213 24830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have some sort of NFS setup at home, too, though not these days. I think it was when I had that sparc.
< 1332614228 489507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What else should I use on a file server? :-P
< 1332614236 990823 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. I calculated my vpenis assuming that is is in mb
< 1332614243 197870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Samba, for all your Windows clients.
< 1332614261 582250 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but preferably not for my non-Windows clients, methinks.
< 1332614355 909295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the ~/www/ directory (that maps to β.zem.fi/~fis) shared over Samba, for no particular reason. Though it does have the dubious benefit that after setting up "create mask = 0644" for that share, I never have to remember to chmod files I copy there.
< 1332614406 643741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Samba has those "Unix extensions" things going on, I think you can make it work reasonably well.)
< 1332614444 244361 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be an improvement to use it instead of NFSv4? :-P
< 1332614477 828611 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewian: does your solaris system have free command?
< 1332614480 15561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe not. Though the NFS setup *I* had did break down occasionally.
< 1332614505 240341 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Nope
< 1332614514 787697 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti:
< 1332614516 550006 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% curl -s http://tsundere.fi/b/vpenis.sh | sh
< 1332614516 712135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: cannot open /proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory
< 1332614516 712336 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: line 2: free: not found
< 1332614516 712448 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: syntax error near line 1
< 1332614518 797736 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: illegal statement near line 1
< 1332614521 303974 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: syntax error near line 1
< 1332614523 817326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: bailing out near line 1
< 1332614526 355668 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: unknown option: x
< 1332614527 882916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSFw4
< 1332614528 829367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: df [-F FSType] [-abeghklntPVvZ] [-o FSType-specific_options] [directory | block_device | resource]
< 1332614611 508770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: On kosh.org.aalto.fi, it's all "df: `/m/work/a800': Permission denied" for umpzillion lines, but does at least manage to yield a result.
< 1332614622 388416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosh ~ 798 % mount | wc -l
< 1332614622 549835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :205
< 1332614625 642603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of mounts.
< 1332614633 972163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's the vpenis length there?
< 1332614658 428047 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosh.hut.fi gets 1933.0cm
< 1332614664 756976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> elliott: What else should I use on a file server? :-P
< 1332614672 974973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't know, surely there's something better than NFS by 2012.
< 1332614686 234236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 3384.7cm; all the "nfs4" mounts (the not-"nfs" ones) give "permission denied" and thus are not counted.
< 1332614699 509399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, NFS doesn't even have atomic mkdir!
< 1332614710 445541 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does http://paste.dy.fi/rbV work on your solaris system
< 1332614728 620591 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ZFS stuff on solaris supports NFS (and Samba) directly, which is the main reason why I used that.
< 1332614763 431539 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*http://paste.dy.fi/rbV/plain
< 1332614805 929168 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://sprunge.us/eSgC
< 1332614841 567055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: kosh.org.aalto.fi gets 3120 cm of the length from the 96 gigs of RAM it has.
< 1332614852 127241 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1332614858 896110 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that reminds me.
< 1332614870 769428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to run it on one of the Triton fat nodes?
< 1332614877 974241 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1332614896 419875 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you must download it to a file and after that you can run it
< 1332614898 739134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should give about 35000 cm for RAM, except it might awk-break again.
< 1332614901 609352 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Same thing
< 1332614931 814883 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's awk-breaking already due to the df stuff, so I need to printf-ify the awk again.
< 1332614964 356525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You've typoed "MHz" as "HMz" on the line.
< 1332614977 764315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And you can't just count MHz itself, you need to multiply it by the number of cores.
< 1332614978 927265 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One permission denied error from df and 29921.8cm
< 1332615019 700940 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I created that version for one core machines
< 1332615374 575705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, it's so "short" because it's looking at the "used" column, not total.
< 1332615389 111620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
< 1332615389 273374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem:    1058759152  166124920  892634232          0     251540   15493068
< 1332615397 657766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mostly free.
< 1332615428 317053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it use the right line?
< 1332615433 95798 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332615436 6797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. without buffers/cached)
< 1332615438 190081 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332615495 658779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saunatime. ->
< 1332615589 1654 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://paste.dy.fi/rGD/plain
< 1332615747 887273 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332615784 622465 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332615785 706768 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1332615785 868241 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332615796 649999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://sprunge.us/ZRfV
< 1332615884 780826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'll spoil it for you: that file has DOS newlines hence the complaints about ^M, and your sed and awk usage require GNU sed and GNU awk (so gsed and gawk).
< 1332615895 727214 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I get 62073.
< 1332615953 147194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed the last sed invocation: that's 6207.3.
< 1332617424 970220 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332617849 254626 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332618284 213272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell just spent ~10 minutes trying to fix someone's $PATH.
< 1332618286 563199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill me now.
< 1332618522 671567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll kill you with my language based on binary trees .
< 1332618572 268351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dead.
< 1332618680 238289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have this horrible temptation to bring my silly language into existence.
< 1332618849 670645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What silly language do you mean?
< 1332618879 594470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I tell you, it'll start existing. :(
< 1332618954 622973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very interesting email: http://www.coyotos.org/pipermail/bitc-dev/2012-March/003300.html
< 1332619235 298834 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f134.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332619768 466963 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HELP MY DOLLAR PATH IS BROKE
< 1332619774 616420 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIX IT
< 1332619809 708599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332619825 164355 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix $PATH = $PATH:$(fix $PATH)
< 1332619846 24918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332619857 304482 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332619865 26915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332619902 935570 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Tell elliott to tell you to ban me.
< 1332620069 816675 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it just me, or is little-endian "00 0b" != 11?
< 1332620084 470871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = 11
< 1332620101 601324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332620140 671420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332620512 374239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR = PEACE.
< 1332620943 963452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332621014 234219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have concluded that today is slightly cursed by forces trying to attract my infuriation, the recent wiki events being merely the latest example.  Experience tells me that the only cure for such is to refuse to get involved, which I will promptly put into action.
< 1332621043 800630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also, to get enough sugar intake.
< 1332621059 431977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sips his orange juice.

< 1332621129 672083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any wonder i keep putting on weight.
< 1332621138 892167 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a spheroidal argument you're having.
< 1332621275 703746 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332621329 441175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332621333 394776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> fizzie: Hey, golf me a function to turn [ [ [1], [], [2] ], [ [3,4], [5], [7] ] ] into [ [1,3,4], [5], [2,7] ].
< 1332621342 326483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: too late.
< 1332621353 111139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map concat . transpose $ [ [ [1], [], [2] ], [ [3,4], [5], [7] ] ]
< 1332621354 851657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,3,4],[5],[2,7]]
< 1332621369 251175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's better than what i ended up with.
< 1332621376 287296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget why i didn't try that.
< 1332621381 499800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh :P
< 1332621385 560442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filterN ps = foldr (zipWith (++)) ([] <$ ps) . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps)
< 1332621391 540125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the end result of the thing that sparked that question.
< 1332621405 736870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am offering prizes for people who figure out what it does without :t.)
< 1332621429 723892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought i saw just a bunch of foldr's so thought i'd still have a fighting chance :P
< 1332621448 297115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that transpose might make it less lazy
< 1332621519 260565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose [1:2:undefined,[3,4],[5,6]]
< 1332621520 258240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,3,5],[2,4,6]*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1332621532 954185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose (repeat [1,2])
< 1332621533 950236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1...
< 1332621560 781795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map concat . transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332621562 332341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10],[1,3,5,7,9]]
< 1332621579 811921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now there's just that ugly map to take care of.
< 1332621593 471867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map concat . transpose . map (\x -> [x <$ guard (p x) | p <- ps]) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332621595 265582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10],[1,3,5,7,9]]
< 1332621597 584854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's marginally nicer.
< 1332621641 500631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1332621657 436048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332621658 333822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f a))
< 1332621658 554884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `M7605977044...
< 1332621662 428042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1332621667 541414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10] :: [[[Integer]]]
< 1332621669 360552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[[],[2],[],[4],[],[6],[],[8],[],[10]],[[1],[],[3],[],[5],[],[7],[],[9],[]]]
< 1332621682 24953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10] :: [[Maybe Integer]]
< 1332621683 662800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[Nothing,Just 2,Nothing,Just 4,Nothing,Just 6,Nothing,Just 8,Nothing,Just ...
< 1332621692 113347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map catMaybes . transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10] :: [[Maybe Integer]]
< 1332621693 37194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral
< 1332621693 258512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    (Data.Maybe.Maybe GH...
< 1332621695 664638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map catMaybes . transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10] :: [[Integer]]
< 1332621697 33855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1332621698 620981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1332621699 91750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map catMaybes . transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10] :: [[Integer]]
< 1332621700 869328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10],[1,3,5,7,9]]
< 1332621754 901895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1332621770 283113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's supposed to work for more than the list monad?
< 1332621794 239726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1332621798 452641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332621805 818247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to come up with a pretty implementation of [a -> Bool] -> [a] -> [[a]]
< 1332621809 835096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the obvious presented semantics
< 1332621818 242507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think that last one was aesthetically pleasing enough.
< 1332621822 277364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = map catMaybes . transpose . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..] :: [[Integer]]
< 1332621824 215946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,52...
< 1332621829 377054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, at least that works now
< 1332621907 527294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map catMaybes . map (\x -> map (\p -> x <$ guard (p x)) ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..] :: [[Integer]]
< 1332621909 303004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2...
< 1332621913 746766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1332621969 401129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip . map filter) [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332621971 148678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10],[1,3,5,7,9]]
< 1332621980 298653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1332622034 22630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um yes that's obvious.
< 1332622042 487861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it traverses the list multiple times.
< 1332622044 502854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sequence . map filter) [even, odd] [1..10] -- slightly more portable, i think
< 1332622046 161861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[2,4,6,8,10],[1,3,5,7,9]]
< 1332622047 358073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and therefore has bad space usage.)
< 1332622050 531909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1332622069 702500 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-14-132.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332622100 449929 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hey, can you do something for me?
< 1332622116 992388 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what that thing is
< 1332622137 56096 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332622165 281570 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett?
< 1332622236 260799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is now seeking for someone else to hide the body.
< 1332622247 491845 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: try ending all your sentences with periods for a while.
< 1332622271 610961 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about interrogative sentences?.
< 1332622271 989350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the questions.
< 1332622275 683526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snap.
< 1332622278 378744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exclamation.
< 1332622283 4929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would he do that.
< 1332622292 546963 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to say that ? incorporates a little period in it.
< 1332622300 709018 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION RUNS.

< 1332622333 191576 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I can't use American-style quotes?
< 1332622347 502718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which style is that?
< 1332622348 622340 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.".
< 1332622351 636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is stupid and nobody should use them.
< 1332622353 749894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's neither.
< 1332622355 718000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Dijkstra-style.
< 1332622369 38967 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote mark after puctuation.
< 1332622379 964939 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since tswett wants me to end sentences with periods...
< 1332622393 417731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote mark after punctuation is abominable, unless the punctuation itself is part of the quote.
< 1332622398 23877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who does it should be "shot."
< 1332622408 402780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like shot, but more final.
< 1332622412 816521 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How are you?", she asked.
< 1332622458 624586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comma is stupid.
< 1332622461 361381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to kill that comma.
< 1332622465 13266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get rid of it.
< 1332622479 361517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like "Oranges, ate sam." Okay, maybe it's not so bad.
< 1332622484 162713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm eyeing it suspiciously.
< 1332622526 719060 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comma belongs there.
< 1332622557 681258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it does; but I'm still allowed to be suspicious of it.
< 1332623071 323084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map catMaybes . map ((<$)<$>guard.p<$>ps) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332623072 387313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[Data.Maybe.Maybe a]'
< 1332623072 574712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferre...
< 1332623078 566365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1332623087 301058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<$>)
< 1332623088 204653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `Data.Functor.<$>' [infixl 4] of a section
< 1332623088 392016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lowe...
< 1332623101 761803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1332623514 923067 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree; punctuations marks should be inside of the quotation marks only in case the punctuation is part of a quotation.
< 1332623549 94515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes known as "British style" or "logical style")
< 1332623621 35857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's "programmer style". This is a nice example: "I for one think punctuation is attached to a sentence, so it shouldn't really be dropped just because it's in a quote.".
< 1332623970 8779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332624018 629956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map catMaybes . map ((<$> ps) . flip (((<$)<$>).(guard.)) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332624019 630705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `in'
< 1332624021 199174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How are you?/0what a boring day *hic*", she asked.
< 1332624032 223306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let filterN ps = transpose . map catMaybes . map ((<$> ps) . flip (((<$)<$>).(guard.))) in filterN [even, odd] [1..10]
< 1332624033 294850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe a'
< 1332624033 481953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred ...
< 1332624040 123020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up.

< 1332624057 791020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you certainly managed to make it more.
< 1332624064 155623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1332624065 840778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more elegant, I'm not so sure about.
< 1332624067 237389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more.
< 1332624102 588442 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was away watching Stargate SG-1. The dos newlines thing is quite interesting. (The script was written for Linux, and after that I ported it for Darwin 8/OS X 10.4 so it might misbehave in Solaris.)  Do you have any idea why gawk and gsed don't try to emulate standard wak and sed behavior when called with those name?
< 1332624121 137375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawk and gsed are GNU awk and sed
< 1332624128 364855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (((<$)<$>).(guard.))
< 1332624129 249568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) b (f1 :: * -> *) (m :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1, MonadPlus m) => f1 Bool -> f1 (f b -> f (m ()))
< 1332624147 63775 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk and sed are solaris's own
< 1332624154 885527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And gquack is the GNU duck.
< 1332624158 98239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues giving up.

< 1332624212 64170 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I meant on systems like Linux and OS X so there wouldn't be so much portability issues
< 1332624240 36976 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on your specific system
< 1332624364 540838 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do GNU versions of standard unix utilities like awk, sed and make sometimes emulate standard behavior?
< 1332624411 371047 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk seems to have --compat/--traditional
< 1332624420 550261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sed has --posix
< 1332624451 746296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't see anything similar for make
< 1332624470 965694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU bash has that posix mode auto-enabled when you call it "sh".
< 1332624474 981742 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't is then the standard behavior if they are called awk and sed?
< 1332624506 711733 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think awk, sed, make and all those programs should do the same
< 1332624519 153820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you also think GCC should disable extensions by default? 
< 1332624588 351473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU would be fun if it tried to be perfectly compatible by default.
< 1332624593 169757 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that it should disable them if it gets called cc, but use them if called gcc
< 1332624597 565641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "fun", I mean "agonising", because 80s Unix was shitty as all hell.
< 1332624612 533183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: surely you mean c89/c90
< 1332624614 540654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c99
< 1332624617 724372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it c90 and c99
< 1332624622 734811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever; the POSIX defined things
< 1332624632 608179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think POSIX guarantees cc has no extensions
< 1332624635 903815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the same "should" apply for GNU tar.
< 1332624651 83601 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c90 is the same as c89
< 1332624671 751064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see only "c99" in POSIX.
< 1332624677 638082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "shall accept source code conforming to the ISO C standard".
< 1332624682 27919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, POSIX 2008, anyway.
< 1332624683 697249 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I meant c99
< 1332624686 23355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: They are not the same byte strings.
< 1332624691 718741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX only defines one, I believe.
< 1332624701 247036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right, but didn't POSIX exist before 1999?
< 1332624718 467535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, sure.
< 1332624750 139570 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c89 and c90 are the same standard, but one is c89 is ANSI standard and c90 is ISO standard
< 1332624760 170440 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-one is
< 1332624771 449576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, I'm aware.
< 1332624777 273572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about the commands standardised by POSIX.
< 1332624785 561307 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332624876 850212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD man pages have "c89 - POSIX.2 C language compiler", so I suppose it was that.
< 1332624890 443619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be bothered to try locating a more authoritative source.
< 1332624928 668324 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, elliott," tswett says, "it seems like you would object to my use of commas here."
< 1332624965 509031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So,,, elliott,,",,, says, fizzie,,, ",,, do you think there are ,,enough,, commas here,",,
< 1332625001 958418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nO,,,
< 1332625088 32154 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :T,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,e,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,r,,,,,,,,,,,,,e,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,s,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,,,,,,,,,,,,,o,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,u,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,l,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,b,,,,,,,,,,e,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,m,,,,,,,,,,,,,o,,,,,,,,r,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,e,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,c,,,,,,,,,,,,,,o,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,m,,,,,,,,,,,,,a,,,,,,,,,,,,,,s
< 1332625089 971600 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,
< 1332625100 112766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
< 1332625117 804799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funniest. g++ has a "-std=c++1y" for "[t]he next revision of the ISO C++ standard, tentatively planned for 2017".
< 1332625130 125527 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"
< 1332625130 958830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  33
< 1332625132 249974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "c++1x" would've been too confusing, since "c++0x" came out in 1x.
< 1332625150 924155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a clever solution to just bump the letter up.
< 1332625156 18772 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"
< 1332625157 92123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  28
< 1332625161 452802 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're short by five.
< 1332625162 472397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr ','
< 1332625163 356762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1332625163 543292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1332625167 653913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord ','
< 1332625168 158839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When "c++1y" comes out in 2021, they'll probably call the next one "c++2z".
< 1332625168 474032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  44
< 1332625178 404161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ,
< 1332625178 565594 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 
< 1332625183 112520 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the couldn't just call it c++11?
< 1332625226 326113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the one that came out in 2011? 
< 1332625235 892149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And after that they'll be screwed.
< 1332625249 476783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "c++3" ++ [chr (ord 'z' + 1)]
< 1332625251 13221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "c++3{"
< 1332625260 526577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks nice.
< 1332625279 72069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "c++4|" which will have some quoting-related problems here and there.
< 1332625303 414001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After c++6~, though...
< 1332625320 127690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++3{ the most disturbing smiley
< 1332625341 657772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After c++6~ comes c++
< 1332625371 367567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you a characters.
< 1332625374 547653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's clever.
< 1332625379 990993 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope.
< 1332625385 303969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, backspace?
< 1332625386 21925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332625434 967740 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe we'll be Unicode enough by then that c++7␡ is acceptable.
< 1332625535 128414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In Unicode 72 they've probably removed the "Control Pictures" block because the word "control" is politically incorrect.
< 1332625538 513226 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant c++17
< 1332625564 588108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Keyword "tentatively".
< 1332625567 770099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is the standard unwilling to change typos in codepoint names.
< 1332625573 628757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++0x was planned for 200x, after all.
< 1332625587 98341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tentatively" in the sense of "not".
< 1332625618 941486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it has an 'x' (or 'y') in it is also a good reminder it's not final.
< 1332625720 725281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't seem to have a name yet for whatever will be after c11.
< 1332625776 361669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c99, c11... Must be c22 next.
< 1332625825 122883 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They skipped c00 for that to make sense, so I'd guess c23.
< 1332625978 301170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh?
< 1332625993 267364 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no next one is c26. 90->99 is 9 (3*3) years and 99->11 is 12 (4*3) years, so next will be 11->26 (5*3)
< 1332626009 778056 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c99 -> c11 is 12 years, c11 -> c23 is also 12 years.
< 1332626026 42935 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which is 15
< 1332626026 954908 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c99, c00, c11, c22 would make sense if they wanted double digits.
< 1332626053 436295 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but what about c90->c99?
< 1332626084 686102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is the only progression thus far that works for that too.
< 1332626091 333514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+%283%2F2%29*x%5E2%2B%2815%2F2%29*x%2B1990+for+x%3D0..4 suggests 2044.
< 1332626101 911194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If c00 existed, we could discount c90 as a fluke since it was the first release. :-P
< 1332626109 444052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I skipped one.
< 1332626111 262327 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the double digits thing would still be acceptable.
< 1332626123 946281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 2026, then 2044.
< 1332626145 582823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant> elliott: c99, c00, c11, c22 would make sense if they wanted double digits.
< 1332626158 635304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, obviously they skip it if there's not enough time to prepare a new spec.
< 1332626162 147989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be c33, aftera ll.
< 1332626175 265236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then they should've waited for it instead of doing c99.
< 1332626189 532263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Who are *you* to tell the committee what to do?
< 1332626197 659510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're BANNED FROM C.
< 1332626206 682540 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another lazy programmer.
< 1332626240 297525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 90,99,11
< 1332626240 955520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626242 321488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1332626254 73678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1990,1999,2011
< 1332626254 518723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626261 321109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 90 99 11
< 1332626261 994974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626264 947088 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 90,99,110
< 1332626265 606556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Largest integer m such that every permutation (p_1, ..., p_n) of (1, ..., n)...
< 1332626265 788886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,6,8,12,15,20,24,30,35,42,48,56,63,72,80,90,99,110,120,132,143,156,168...
< 1332626269 727173 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops
< 1332626270 733689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 90,99,111
< 1332626271 908596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Number of nonnegative solutions to x^2 + y^2 + z^2 <= n.
< 1332626272 97177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,7,8,11,17,20,20,23,29,35,38,39,45,51,51,54,63,69,72,78,84,87,87,90,99,1...
< 1332626312 599996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: According to that (A000606), they're going to have to release two C15's.
< 1332626328 917799 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think A048955 and A128012 are better.
< 1332626340 711113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 80,99,11
< 1332626341 671937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626343 678443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 89,99,11
< 1332626344 385582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenation of a and b, where a is the reduced sum of the digits of n and ...
< 1332626344 573942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,11,23,36,41,56,63,71,89,99,11,23,36,41]
< 1332626351 591363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Deewiant was right.
< 1332626353 222266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C23 it is.
< 1332626358 750170 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332626371 95713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 89,99,111
< 1332626371 803498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbers with digits in nondecreasing order.
< 1332626371 991216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,33,3...
< 1332626379 729874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on.
< 1332626404 72257 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : @oeis really should do some appropriate dropWhileing.
< 1332626426 739754 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A076273 suggests c19.
< 1332626595 709465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1989,1999,2011
< 1332626596 613114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626598 791154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1990,1999,2011
< 1332626599 233858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626641 211894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 990,999,1011
< 1332626642 117926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626643 727415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Interestingly, if you fit a second-degree polynomial to (1,1990), (2,1999) and (3,2011), not only does it give you the next standard ((4,2026) -> C26) but you can also see that that C standard is how Big Brother is keeping us all under control. (See (0,1984).)
< 1332626644 991105 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 989,999,1011
< 1332626645 846803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332626655 960832 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my system it would be 1990->1999->2011->2026->2044->2065->2089
< 1332626681 441893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's nortti's system again, no? Differences 6, 9, 12, 15.
< 1332626694 860757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is the same thing.
< 1332626710 434271 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes
< 1332626835 446535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targets (37): bash-4.2.024-2  chromium-17.0.963.83-1  device-mapper-2.02.95-1  fontsproto-2.1.2-1  intel-dri-8.0.2-1  iproute2-3.2.0-3
< 1332626835 607870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              kbproto-1.0.6-1  lib32-libdrm-2.4.32-1  lib32-libgl-8.0.2-1  lib32-libglapi-8.0.2-1  lib32-mesa-8.0.2-1  lib32-openssl-1.0.1-1
< 1332626835 608052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              libdrm-2.4.32-1  libftdi-0.20-1  libgl-8.0.2-1  libglapi-8.0.2-1  libxaw-1.0.10-1  linux-3.2.12-1  lvm2-2.02.95-1  mercurial-2.1.1-2
< 1332626835 608163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              mesa-8.0.2-1  mpg123-1.13.6-1  neon-0.29.6-4  openssh-5.9p1-8  openssl-1.0.1-1  psmisc-22.16-1  quodlibet-2.4-1  recordproto-1.14.2-1
< 1332626838 450297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              scrnsaverproto-1.2.2-1  vim-7.3.475-1  vim-runtime-7.3.475-1  xcb-proto-1.7.1-1  xextproto-7.2.1-1  xorg-setxkbmap-1.3.0-1
< 1332626841 453621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :              xorg-xauth-1.0.7-1  xorg-xkbcomp-1.2.4-1  xorg-xmodmap-1.0.6-1
< 1332626843 456586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many MUPGRADES.
< 1332626847 339579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Download Size:    93.14 MiB
< 1332626847 500652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Installed Size:   276.41 MiB
< 1332626849 343749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Net Upgrade Size:       -1.15 MiB
< 1332626851 233959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's good.
< 1332626874 875518 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long since you last MUPGRADED.
< 1332626955 108584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:1> f = @(x) (81/4)*exp(log(4/3)*x)+1963
< 1332626955 311471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :f =
< 1332626955 311563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@(x) (81 / 4) * exp (log (4 / 3) * x) + 1963
< 1332626955 311607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:2> f([0 1 2 3 4])
< 1332626955 311653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =
< 1332626955 589141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332626957 606112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1983.2   1990.0   1999.0   2011.0   2027.0
< 1332626995 2777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After C27, we'll have C48.3 and C76.8.
< 1332627263 574918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND.  well, at least once.
< 1332627304 327983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively,
< 1332627305 807196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:10> f = @(x) -(63*sqrt(15))/8*tan(-2*atan(4-sqrt(15))*x)+15857/8; f([1 2 3 4 5 6 7])
< 1332627308 824429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans =
< 1332627311 323068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990.0   1999.0   2011.0   2030.8   2078.2   2539.0   1830.1
< 1332627320 542353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Excellent! Now elect me benevolent dictator for life of the world.
< 1332627330 994481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be some sort of a singularity event after the sixth C standard in 2539.
< 1332627365 108116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly just a new calendar.
< 1332627367 946419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That nearly-five-centuries delay is a doozy.
< 1332627389 305750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C8x, released in 2539"
< 1332627428 882515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Deewiant>  @oeis really should do some appropriate dropWhileing. <-- i'm pretty sure it does?  also, even more if you use space instead of commas.
< 1332627439 219714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw [[LOLCODE]] has the same kind of broken <code>-around-a-pre :P
< 1332627474 12253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly to oerjan not hating me forever, i'm totally going to look into that W-next-to-interwiki-links tomorrow.
< 1332627489 527971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I assumed the point was that it'd show the match in the example, instead of just starting from the beginning.
< 1332627527 168335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: btw [[LOLCODE]] has the same kind of broken <code>-around-a-pre :P <-- i'm not through the recent changes yet
< 1332627553 815117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also based on a very quick test using spaces didn't seem to matter when done via lambdabot. (Via the website, sure.)
< 1332627557 313789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 11 45 88 22
< 1332627557 944310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332627565 51673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has 1218 matches on the website.
< 1332627590 238701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: Excellent! Now elect me benevolent dictator for life of the world. <-- i can still be the evil one, right?
< 1332627590 932103 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1990 1999 2011 2026 2044
< 1332627591 525884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1332627662 709222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh.
< 1332627703 517771 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332627736 479782 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B74B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332627912 895260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What fizzie said re. the point.
< 1332628056 184512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, like, is no point.
< 1332628138 906398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eagerly awaits oerjan's copy-editing of [[Snack]]

< 1332628364 522433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting with bated breath
< 1332629120 162789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, /// has been the featured language for 5 days already.
< 1332629146 316600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know, [[Bitwise Cyclic Tag]] has a bunch of preformatted execution traces...
< 1332629154 259111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just sayin'
< 1332629168 787642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1332629202 843976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tableises the instruction reference anyway.

< 1332629206 348710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel it is my duty.
< 1332629239 822679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDIT CONFLICT
< 1332629244 924555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits a bit

< 1332629295 768597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i can't think of an elegant way to express 1's execution without those direct line-breaks, so I will hold off on that for now.
< 1332629328 976274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not envy oerjan when he gets to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag#Example_2

< 1332629373 980102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1332629397 960648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'll wikify that one.
< 1332629403 223245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fun!
< 1332629571 76865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (btw i'm actually doing it, just to avoid ecs)
< 1332629805 393725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the list of Haskell Ephemeris ID numbers, including planets, dwarf planets, sun, moon, satellites, asteroids, fixed stars, artificial objects, fictitious objects, etc
< 1332629855 11048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332629915 135861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't mean you, I meant an astronomer.
< 1332630031 607610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1332630108 240810 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332630202 724572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Sofox
< 1332630205 726241 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sofox: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332630232 827404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: half-finished work on bct table is in ~/tmp/bct. (tables r hard)
< 1332630250 193990 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello elliott, and HackEgo.
< 1332630299 484341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purpose of fictitious objects, an astrologer should work on it too. But some fictitious object are not used much by astronomy or astrology, such as Julian Ecclesiastical Moon, etc
< 1332630303 371486 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly are friendly here.
< 1332630328 782197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re "tables r hard", I hear it'd be trivial if you used nonsense query tables instead.
< 1332630330 446576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sofox: Read the wiki and/or logs
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< 1332630426 409007 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love esoteric programming languages. 
< 1332630441 676801 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't programmed using one of them yet, but I'd like to try something out in LOLCODE or Brainfuck.
< 1332630462 228859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all friendly here. Apart from all the horrible people. Like me.
< 1332630462 678991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats fizzie -----###

< 1332630469 139257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say hi to Sofox!
< 1332630470 66576 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i misread that, then, between symbols and functions ( defun and defparameter) while scheme makes no distinction ( define) :)
< 1332630473 274754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i assume you wanted me to
< 1332630484 986311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To...
< 1332630502 360441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what i did in the previous line
< 1332630508 298390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332630514 553416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, swat anyone and everyone.
< 1332630519 602571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: When in doubt, swat.
< 1332630525 237814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1332630616 49839 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nuq
< 1332630637 636589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Sofox as well.  I'm sure Phantom_Hoover would want me to, after his last comment. -----###

< 1332630652 216070 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332630659 582808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, that's brainfuck proper, not a derivative.
< 1332630694 236028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The "L" word might draw some hoover-ire even when it's not about a derivative.
< 1332630708 185092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes.
< 1332630730 325751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have also read more of today's logs than is healthy.
< 1332631259 713765 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sofox, hello, I am friendly until you make a Brainfuck derivative.
< 1332631273 186559 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom: And then what?
< 1332631311 723715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then come the bricks.
< 1332631327 317103 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amd out go the brains.
< 1332631329 879240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and
< 1332631623 335869 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Phantom_Hoover elliott MUFFIN
< 1332631625 229862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoovire.
< 1332631631 594989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a Phantom_Hoover elliott muffin.
< 1332631635 487015 :zbrown!~zbrown@rufius.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1332632582 541796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: zzo38: wtf
< 1332632590 744380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: zzo38: that magic set editor thing was written by a haskeller!
< 1332632610 628036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Twan van Laarhoven, the author of e.g. lambdabot's reflection stuff)
< 1332632807 449873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know the person who wrote MSE also wrote programs in Haskell (although MSE itself is written in C++)
< 1332632859 603377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However he had no intention to include pure versions of MSE's impure functions)
< 1332632984 430327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But MSE is full of various problems anyways so I make TeXnicard, which is written in C and does not use floating points at all except for PNG compression (which is lossless anyways, so slightly different computers will still result in the same output, although the actual bytes of the file might differ)
< 1332633085 706057 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-14-132.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332633086 391660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... MSE is so bad. So horribly bad.
< 1332633134 957801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know... you can write bad codes in any programming language...
< 1332633172 35797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you think TeXnicard is any better than MSE?
< 1332633237 580792 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've not looked at it immensely, but I'd certainly imagine it is.
< 1332633246 162490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At minimum, it's using a vastly better typesetting system.
< 1332633258 978109 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes
< 1332633375 512630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME
< 1332633389 785114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries

< 1332633508 966145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes, it is a typesetting system based on TeX, so certainly that part would be better. But, I mean, other stuff too, what you would figure out from this. But can someone else improve the documentation for the parts of the program that are already working (which is most of it)?
< 1332633799 201637 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, managed to compile the metacircular evaluator in my compiler... it gets far enough to crash becasuse read is not defined, after printing ";;; M-Eval input:"
< 1332633823 686365 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metacircular evaluator *from SICP
< 1332634030 630929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332634399 519774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it my BCT chores are indefinitely postponed.
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< 1332636470 891081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332637689 88414 :Sofox!~sofox@unaffiliated/sofox QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332639260 565599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything like Tor for telephones?
< 1332640984 363942 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE88CA9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1332643239 484496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Haskell libraries for typesetting other than my own one?
< 1332643342 656892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, i've missed an hour!
< 1332643356 974442 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's yours?
< 1332643481 344142 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a random search shows http://hackage.haskell.org/package/HPDF
< 1332643676 985640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Mine is dvi-processing, which is not yet posted to Hackage
< 1332643679 627844 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332643704 448195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can both read and write DVI files, and it can read TFM files.
< 1332643705 544032 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332643793 124727 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell would probably be more helpful
< 1332643835 581055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HPDF doesn't even have Applicative instances for anything
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< 1332644871 411614 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332644906 939449 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332645242 488942 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One saying to quote: "A recently-created programming language whose author intends to never make better than programming languages created earlier in either usability, power, things that can be done with it, or simplicity, is probably an esoteric programming language."
< 1332645539 335184 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: What if MediaWiki could be rewritten in Objective LOLCODE with CGI support?
< 1332645604 212728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spelled elliott, also there's not a snowball's chance in hell of anyone doing that.
< 1332645731 296735 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will always think of MediaWiki rewritten in Objective LOLCODE (run with an interpreter that has CGI extensions) and Nonsense Query List databases.
< 1332645743 722421 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already written in PHP.
< 1332645827 880516 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean that, but I will always think of when Ehird translates MediaWiki from PHP and MySQL to Objective LOLCODE and Nonsense Query Lists,
< 1332645845 893743 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use that version of MediaWiki on the Esolang website.
< 1332645857 478013 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet?
< 1332645907 769052 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already written in PHP.
< 1332645986 416117 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. Anyway, always remember this saying: "A recently-created programming language whose author intends to never make better than programming languages created earlier in either usability, power, things that can be done with it, or simplicity, is probably an esoteric programming language."
< 1332645994 136720 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
< 1332646056 115674 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"things that can be done with it"?
< 1332646085 212822 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's an easily in there, otherwise it's a nonsensical thing to attempt to compare.
< 1332646110 586296 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm, not quite... I guess
< 1332646121 732097 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, can't really manipulate hardware with pure PHP, can you?
< 1332646143 856488 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, manipulate hardware arbitrarily. Obviously stuff like memory and network cards is affected.
< 1332646254 657041 :Nihilist_!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332646563 928586 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definition makes many programming languages not esoteric, when, by all rights, they should be.
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< 1332646576 134252 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some esoteric languages take their esotericness from being way simpler than any proper language would be.
< 1332646579 994321 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<Madoka-Kaname>30 That definition makes many programming languages not esoteric, when, by all rights, they should be.
< 1332646590 379111 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mean, can't really manipulate hardware with pure PHP, can you?" - well, 
< 1332646618 363389 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least PHP has most features that C/C++ has,
< 1332646655 614168 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332646686 572345 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, unlike in C/C++, PHP doesn't have to be told something like "int i = 0;", it only has to be told something like "$i = 0",
< 1332646721 645100 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PHP does not require an int main() function, and the author intends to give PHP a lot of features,
< 1332646726 870802 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so PHP is not esoteric.
< 1332646795 195693 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332646817 642683 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, if it helps, I was criticising myself criticising a part of your definition
< 1332646827 385969 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective LOLCODE may be almost esoteric because it's paradigms are either as good as, or not as good as, (never better than) PHP which was created earlier.
< 1332646876 274959 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP has "create_function" but that works very stupid, it wastes memory and does not make proper lambda-style function. You can make a closer to lambda-style function by using classes instead, since a callback in PHP is allowed to be an object together with a name of one of its methods.
< 1332646935 769063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also said PHP has no pointers, it has variable references which work differently. But there is a way to make a reference into a value to use in a bit similar way to pointers (but no pointer arithmetic):   $x=array(&$y);   make the value of $x to reference $y and now   $x[0]  dereference it both for read and write.
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< 1332656148 267509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does JPL HORIZONS stop working if enter key is pushed?
< 1332656619 341403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: speaking of things not working i'd love to know why david eppstein's page on wikipedia crashes firefox on me
< 1332656675 805474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I don't know
< 1332656754 88173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am digressing from JPL HORIZONS
< 1332657234 110538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The webpage for JPL HORIZONS works but some functions are missing. JPL HORIZONS doesn't work though (unless I am doing something wrong?).
< 1332657421 369603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1332658123 101506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as far as I know they don't have rotation of planets and other objects in there, they only have positions.
< 1332658195 679580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone asked you to use astrology to determine whether or not they should sleep, how would you answer?
< 1332659448 330371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh..(i wouldn't really say this)  the appropriateness of sleep is a function of the rotation of the earth around it's axis
< 1332659473 542599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^relative to ones location on the earth's surface
< 1332659543 337945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :added to the time of day the person needs to wake up
< 1332659543 525471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That is what I did too. I asked for their geographic location and see which house the Sun is at.
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< 1332659644 5710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332659652 22298 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that Windows 7 can still BSOD?
< 1332659702 88326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in other words,  1) is it nighttime where you live? 2) do you sleep at night? ... Taneb: Hi Taneb. i am actually somewhat surprised by that.
< 1332659733 424452 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would have guessed it would, but have never seen such thing. But I did know that ReactOS already has enough code to make a BSOD
< 1332659748 773682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happened to me while I was browsing the internet
< 1332659759 827524 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've used Windows 8.
< 1332659763 373396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8 can't BSOD.
< 1332659872 673756 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-145-18.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332659880 757218 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should realy configure the WiFi on Ubuntu
< 1332659913 632922 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And install Haiku for not going online
< 1332659970 93301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a plan)
< 1332660155 1024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last time I BSOD'd, I was on a Vista system infested with trojans
< 1332660161 740013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had the lot of them.
< 1332660166 646557 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris, Hector, Aeneas
< 1332660177 124716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Priam
< 1332660228 574589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them
< 1332660231 431993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332660231 708185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332660236 716781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello
< 1332660237 298730 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fails same here... my brain is as non-functional as the rest of the year
< 1332660248 947450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who's your favourite Trojan?
< 1332660249 818230 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: true, but apply, being a piece of crap. -g is fine as long as i don't pass *pointers* to local vars defenition, and it transforms into a let block
< 1332660256 986279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1332660257 147632 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1332660268 116090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1332660268 277126 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1332660279 449853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you think of Paris of Troy?
< 1332660282 390106 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: question no 13 by mr poignant and all the necessary means for a renewed but deepened commitment to resorting and sustaining the peace accords. the commission agrees with the amendment extending the scope of community powers. respect for the rule of law and in some cases we have authorised, these risks are and proposing the necessary measures to restore the balance, the powers of the commission, conservation measures appl
< 1332660299 578448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, now to execute my plan!
< 1332660301 195713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha!
< 1332660302 738636 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1332660685 185826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1332660685 383872 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1332660693 912050 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1332660694 353566 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking of something. at the moment. wheee, shiny.'). the solution is to produce the bonds i.e fnord between the karma and our fnord causeway. the scene uses hare coursing as a metaphor and may be fnord to other military genius, indeed, from country, have the fnord so fnord a series of really coy riddles about it and stop the eval loop, stable or otherwise fail ( just annotate the paste i
< 1332660809 994084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332660824 932928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, now for stage 2
< 1332660887 699840 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-139-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332661000 283691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what do people think of Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download?
< 1332661052 629029 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MORE THAN ZERO
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< 1332661875 402655 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/­
< 1332661882 662119 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/­
< 1332661903 342708 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332661904 15922 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean http://esolangs.org/wiki/­
< 1332661929 581608 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the same thing as http://esolangs.org/wiki/TLWNN
< 1332661972 843915 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to know how I changed the page's name to no title?
< 1332662011 463798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is, it is URL-encoded as %C2%AD (so it does actually have a title, you just can't see it)
< 1332662028 354382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a soft hyphen
< 1332662151 871434 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot http://pastebin.com/YTd5bG5N
< 1332662248 812740 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soft hypen was the only character ever discovered (originally at http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/%AD ) which MediaWiki accepts in page titles but most web browsers will treat like that character isn't even in the name.
< 1332662347 287203 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to know why most web browsers treat the soft hyphen like there is no soft hyphen in the text.
< 1332662384 417270 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the whole point.
< 1332662389 810459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_hyphen
< 1332662674 213365 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've now renamed it from a soft hypen (0xAD) to a zero-width character (0x200B)
< 1332662737 300876 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think every instance of "The Language With No Name" or TLWNN in the text should be replaced with a zero-width character?
< 1332662776 168327 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye
< 1332662777 45621 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
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< 1332665841 412382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Noras-Hair-Salon-Shear-Disaster/dp/B004FK5E8E
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< 1332665946 511286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played some Dungeons & Dragons game in the past week and I recorded it in the computer
< 1332665981 958831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1332666181 8082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually managed to play D&D
< 1332666267 23211 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the recordings?
< 1332666280 47343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1332666351 510566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to see it? They are using TeX
< 1332666400 264073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how to render TeX files
< 1332666439 915930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply start the program "tex" and enter the filename at the ** prompt.
< 1332666443 789912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1332666448 375285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1332666477 671661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex      You also need this file   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/dungeonsrecording.tex
< 1332666560 862352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/mktexfmt: 974: /usr/share/texmf/texconfig/tcfmgr: not found
< 1332666561 215699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found.
< 1332666561 376667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the format file `tex.fmt'!
< 1332666568 496933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1332666582 723357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have failed to install TeX correctly, if you get that message.
< 1332666588 989181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1332666639 228221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a DVI file is created. You can then view it on screen using xdvi or dviout or yap or whatever, or you can print it out using dvilj4 (for PCL printers) or another program for your printer.
< 1332666657 297911 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to want to work...
< 1332666734 423441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What operating system (including version) are you using?
< 1332666778 626756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.04
< 1332666795 206717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For systems with Debian-based package management, I think you need to install the "texlive" package. (There is also "texlive-binaries" but that is only the binaries, not the format files.)
< 1332666810 439330 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why LTS?
< 1332666823 560631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, don't like upgrading
< 1332666829 774730 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things always seem to go wrong for me
< 1332666934 804805 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should update to 12.04 when it gets relased
< 1332666944 917634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know that
< 1332666953 308431 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to be very careful doing that
< 1332667041 772541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It says the program "tex" is in the "texlive-binaries" package, which is correct, although the program won't run without the format files, which are in a different package.)
< 1332667334 636747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it working!
< 1332667335 338409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1332667450 803071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After entering "level20" (without quotes) at the ** prompt, you should get another prompt which is specific to this document and which asks "Select printing level". Select the level of detail you wish and then you will get a .dvi file. To view it on the screen, use the "xdvi" program; to send it to the printer, use "dvilj" or "dvilj4" if you have a PCL printer, and pipe it to "lp" to send the PCL codes to the printer.
< 1332667614 357519 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-226-68.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332667681 806859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a printer on your computer? If so, is it compatible with PCL?
< 1332667772 259191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not print it
< 1332667783 433957 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1332667795 277935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not required to print it. I was just asking if you had a printer.
< 1332667801 553711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1332667805 158482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a printer
< 1332667815 239183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I can access it from here?
< 1332667875 275490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a printer, and it speaks some form of PCL.
< 1332667926 202911 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332667985 87443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be useful to know in case you want to use TeX for anything else. If you have other questions about TeX you can ask me since I know many things about it. Books describing TeX and METAFONT are available in a series called "Computers & Typesetting", in case you are interested (it includes not only documentation but also complete source-codes for TeX, METAFONT, and Computer Modern).
< 1332668054 647636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think many laser printers (and some others) support PCL; do you know how common it is and with what different printer models, brands, companies, and type of printer (laser, ink, etc)?
< 1332668251 65818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some form of PCL is quite common when it comes to "cheap" laser printers. ("Expensive" ones tend to do postscript, and inkjets seem to tend to use their own custom things.) But that's just my hunch, and based on the situation few years back; I haven't done any survey about it or anything.
< 1332668265 384762 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88CA9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332668292 633476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an inkjet
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< 1332668378 119553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them probably do PCL too.
< 1332668385 537900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are printers that support both PCL and PostScript, although I do not know how common they are (although PJL would be needed to configure them and to switch between them).
< 1332669059 889269 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0FD6B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332669080 798475 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1332670359 143716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may work on Salesman for a bit
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< 1332674152 786285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping
< 1332674193 723735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ping
< 1332674196 49729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ping
< 1332674201 593431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, where are you people when I need you.
< 1332674208 944706 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[logn
< 1332674250 116601 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Steam is starting to annoy me; two days after I pirate Deus Ex, it offers the entire series for free.
< 1332674261 328035 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, *75% off
< 1332674276 72952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: /msg
< 1332674842 605680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll ping...
< 1332674843 308733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: !
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< 1332677177 313938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1332680563 167893 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for
< 1332680578 372967 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam binds the screenshot key to the same one Deus Ex uses for the torch.
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< 1332682452 161289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> Guys, what haskell CMS is more useful?
< 1332682452 688266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Elemir knows happstack and yesod
< 1332682455 461276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Elemir: web framework =/= cms
< 1332682459 716340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> elliott: aaaand? Happstack or yesod not only web framework
< 1332682462 3713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> This frameworks are CMS too, so good sample
< 1332682465 164374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Elemir: happstack and yesod are not CMSes
< 1332682467 147920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> Why?
< 1332682470 209784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> Really CMS just provide XML interface for programming
< 1332682476 826883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> For example at yesod I can write pages, scriptes and css-shit at pure haskell
< 1332682477 352283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Elemir> *at pure template haskell
< 1332682937 205457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently since you can write a blog in few SLOC with Yesod, it's a CMS
< 1332683357 376876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on why Yesod is marketed as a web framework despite obviously being a CMS: * Elemir thinks that author may have some term phobies, it's a normal
< 1332683737 983422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone has a normal
< 1332684506 541673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Unicode expert ping.
< 1332687360 189463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, where is ais523.
< 1332687389 847747 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I sure do hate it when people aren't here.
< 1332687400 148399 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott vanishes for several weeks in a hissy fit.
< 1332687533 370349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois ais523
< 1332687534 71388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 :No such nick/channel
< 1332687534 250804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [ais523] End of WHOIS list.
< 1332687540 568132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois elliott when he wasn't in #esoteric
< 1332687545 196465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [elliott] (~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott): Elliott Hird
< 1332688550 460250 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois elliott when he wasn't in #esoteric
< 1332688552 715788 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* when :No such nick/channel
< 1332688901 646821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pong.
< 1332689008 358878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You like UNICODE MYSTERIES, right?
< 1332689033 999915 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends, but go on.
< 1332689043 140880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the difference between the "TLWNN" in these two lines from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges:
< 1332689045 961564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Deletion log); 12:31 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs | block)‎ deleted "TLWNN" (content was: "#REDIRECT ​")
< 1332689046 138012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . m ​TLWNN‎; 11:54 . . (-121) . . Ehird (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (restore incorrect title hatnote)
< 1332689056 573366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wgetted it and looked at it in vi, and they both look identical.
< 1332689060 275864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of them has a redirect, and the other doesn't.
< 1332689064 230636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also looked at it in emacs, nothin'.
< 1332689093 852332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TLWNN
< 1332689094 721834 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%80%8BTLWNN
< 1332689097 35907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when the latter one existed (and contained the article) and the first one didn't, searching for "TLWNN" would produce "This doesn't exist lol why not create [[TLWNN]]" and clicking that link would go to the article so ?????
< 1332689106 386681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bah; okay
< 1332689114 116190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Annoying that my browser doesn't distinguish the two in the URL bar at all
< 1332689120 72909 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine does :-P
< 1332689217 230020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Welp, my position that using freaky Unicode characters in titles for the sake of a cheap joke is terrible is strengthened some more.
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< 1332694080 319399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1332694096 514068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332694167 88487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download implementation
< 1332694317 957140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains an implementation of Lambda Calculus
< 1332694325 285836 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Uniques as the variables
< 1332694328 985324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am on FIRE
< 1332694333 790762 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not literally)
< 1332694338 458252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or figuratively)
< 1332694526 323038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332694528 781621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont use uniques
< 1332694530 539301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asthe viarbales
< 1332694531 592861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats dum
< 1332694535 405351 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses a fire extinguisher on Taneb 

< 1332694565 534101 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a metaphorical fire extinguisher. I have no idea what it's a metaphor for.
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< 1332694599 412307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My restoration of sanity?
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< 1332696477 466265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332696573 656822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332696573 927559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1332697723 428022 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42587.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was geht ab homies?
< 1332697805 200562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1332697805 441247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 5h 16m 49s ago: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4471
< 1332697805 628681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 2h 57m 15s ago: Stop appearing where I least expect you!
< 1332697848 265235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332697852 69050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two messages are completely unrelated :)
< 1332697874 235197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and CBPV is a vaguely misleading name in that sense; stack semantics are not the only semantics that exist for it, although its stack semantics are kind-of neat
< 1332697904 915939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in what sense? I know the stack semantics thing was discussed in the comments
< 1332697938 905680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one was about you being mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#The_History_of_G7, which I was reading for... god knows what reason
< 1332698111 973347 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that from #haskell?
< 1332698119 784555 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discussion of CMSes
< 1332698186 356481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fwiw, that restriction on G7 was originally there to stop someone who was annoyed with the project to go round speedying everything they'd ever contributed
< 1332698241 990336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, so what's the DRV that thing was talking about?
< 1332698294 721045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: I wasn't an admin when I made that unilateral change to G7
< 1332698309 672230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes
< 1332698328 150503 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332698341 561314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 03:33, 6 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+11,755)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion ‎ (→‎The History of G7:  new section)  
< 1332698341 760099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:23, 6 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+1,474)‎ . . Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 March 2 ‎ (Endorse, comment)
< 1332698341 921550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:22, 2 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+2,135)‎ . . Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 February 14 ‎ (→‎User:Bittergrey/CAMH_Promotion:  overturn)  
< 1332698343 841245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one of those two
< 1332698426 201380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, it might be http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_February_28&diff=prev&oldid=479475708
< 1332698437 483421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's feb 14, salvador tercero
< 1332698523 485530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, indeed
< 1332699047 959724 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-183.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332699291 576870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: currently in #haskell we are learning that FRP behaviors should be (a -> a) instead of (Time -> a)
< 1332699302 560874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that means you no longer have behaviours that "relate to both events and time in themselves" which is incorrect
< 1332699307 602335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking kill me
< 1332699320 371200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i felt like making you suffer as much as i am)
< 1332699361 288653 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whats at a -> a being behaviors

< 1332699387 191827 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's more like (b -> a)
< 1332699401 190268 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe (Timelike b) => (b -> a)
< 1332699434 502619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that's probably just TimeDictionary -> a, more or less
< 1332699437 853072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Time -> a
< 1332699484 62538 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k
< 1332699732 167878 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FunctionLike f) => f
< 1332699785 470808 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the universal quantification gets you something though
< 1332699881 974501 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets you coolness points
< 1332699906 919066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: well, no, not if you can rewrite it in the dictionary form, because it'll be literally equivalent
< 1332699914 298849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however nobody seems to know what Timelike should actually contain, so...
< 1332699922 583378 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all the point of haskell is typeclasses and monads so let's have as much of those as possible
< 1332699944 254199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<timthelion> elliott: except we have no variable time.  It doesn't matter WHEN, but in which order!
< 1332699948 141924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAAAAA MAAAAAAAN
< 1332699960 612447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's REVOLUTIONISED frp, all it took was the reading of the original paper
< 1332699965 887580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i'm so grumpy
< 1332699980 846337 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something fun, like another esolang
< 1332700042 176074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are hard :(
< 1332700046 943933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yelling at people on irc is easier
< 1332700082 759084 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes you grumpy...
< 1332700149 675166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always grumpy
< 1332700158 997544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll yell at fungot instead
< 1332700159 213963 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that is? you've had it for some time i added a new page and sends it to emacs, i suggest, vote). you need to install in /usr/ lib " 1.ss" " srfi". is this a cognate of the spanish fnord fnord?
< 1332700193 322691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll make fungot feel bad. :/
< 1332700193 488708 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive). fnord :) fnord would it be it by now. try. i've often amused myself that way. consider this platform i am aware, commissioner, that there are no gentiles in the garden, examining the fastenings of the drawing-room window, washing and the summoning of the small piece of source code anywhere there's whitespace is ignored and made my own, freed. in c, it's dlopen(). if it's compu
< 1332700225 347881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry fungot ilu
< 1332700228 515165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearts
< 1332700229 920205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearts for fungot
< 1332700230 82480 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1332700235 306561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332700235 728715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it ignore me the first time ;_;
< 1332700239 45144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the classics.
< 1332700242 294378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also maybe a BUG.
< 1332700257 853976 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fungot + 1
< 1332700258 15357 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let that binds the variables, you probably want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has that as their whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there
< 1332700258 656013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `fungot'
< 1332700271 822529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :airbus is a big fan of avril
< 1332700271 984007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It ignored you because your message was   RAW >>> :fizzie!fis@un��fZ�iytzd/}b{v�e�n��VMSd #esoteric :You'll m:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry fungot ilu <<<
< 1332700272 145517 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these, too.)
< 1332700282 923744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll try to avoid turning into a corrupted you in future.
< 1332700302 423598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the control characters in the part of the message that the user /doesn't/ have control over?
< 1332700311 511066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a BUG.
< 1332700328 462087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fungot or in the ircd?
< 1332700328 622988 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going to the theater
< 1332700334 860974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In fungot.
< 1332700335 21970 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there is, that's what sorts of startup?
< 1332700348 148870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that fungot reply to me, I guess is mostly verbatim
< 1332700348 310585 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: " and this is a new game. there is no new-line in morse code ( the way databases do it), but... it's x-treme!
< 1332700355 355554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps made from two or three quotes
< 1332700371 259439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It seems to happen when the generated sentence is very long; presumably it corrupts the message buffer. Though they should be mostly on separate lines, so I don't know how.
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< 1332700647 126620 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3))
< 1332700649 30746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As for the comment, I can't really find its sources. I found a previous generated message that said "yeah i call them mindless games because i don't", but that's about it. Might be due to the preprocessing that has made the sources not match my greps.
< 1332700662 191958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1332700672 85408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: that contains no output instructions
< 1332700678 960467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure what you were expecting
< 1332700684 70206 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<22fungot> Mathnerd314: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let that binds the variables, you probably want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has that as their whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there
< 1332700684 265030 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: if it's ( syntactically) long debate with a few more things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some things we can deploy but some thi
< 1332700686 531798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it just pushes one thing onto the stack
< 1332700686 694236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe have a "no output" message just in case.
< 1332700703 71254 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knew it
< 1332700703 232614 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: make it pink"." atom) in the room is rarely use s-exps... it will use it to buy it
< 1332700706 412440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot said it? it still isn't particularly useful as Underload programs go
< 1332700706 573772 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it's ( syntactically) long years. when will it be the reptites, or you silly apes who end up ruling the world? yes, i'd have done something very brave? fnord 06:22, 29, no. 2, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 1(::**) ...bad insn!
< 1332700707 643146 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to see what fungot knew.
< 1332700707 804340 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: c has an ignore restarter, restart/ ignore do? the symbols, pairs, procedures, and so am i just being anal here or am i misunderstanding how these were the people skills of a plane to the next place and then the file
< 1332700714 675109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even less so than usual
< 1332700728 134072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 most useful Underload program
< 1332700728 352624 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output!
< 1332700728 562485 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that code do
< 1332700729 276344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<timthelion> elliott: I did understand C. Elliott's paper.  I don't think I was wrong at all there.  I only think, that it was written in 97 and that the concepts can be expressed much much better...  Unfortunatly, the modern stuff, still uses his old vocabulary, which was missguided...
< 1332700796 811191 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a mandelbrot renderer in Underload
< 1332700799 503126 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That outputs in BMP format
< 1332700804 973762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332700846 904728 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a pi computer
< 1332700855 602667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332700902 786534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a pie.
< 1332700908 28604 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42587.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332700908 189896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bake a pie.
< 1332700911 551116 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a -fPIE
< 1332700925 276269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop is everything
< 1332700932 278807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A position-independent pie.
< 1332700935 520736 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a underload interpreter in underload
< 1332700938 794966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can eat it everywhere.
< 1332700956 288154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: been done
< 1332700962 262737 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck interpreter?
< 1332700981 475884 :kmc!~keegan@cpe-66-65-104-23.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when pizza's on a bagel you can eat pizza anytime!
< 1332701021 57492 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Eodermdrome interpreter in literally anything at all?
< 1332701026 11785 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a wish list, right?)
< 1332701064 30207 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a monitor whose aspect ratio is pi
< 1332701173 27225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: can't be done exactly, obviously
< 1332701177 778236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can have fractional pixels somehow
< 1332701183 833157 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332701185 328641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh
< 1332701220 304856 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is a pretty bad idea
< 1332701257 784196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much the definition of irrational
< 1332701269 731989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can optimise out the actual monitor
< 1332701312 994374 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a monitor which was 1:3 would just be bad. the whole exercize would be pointless if it wasn't even actually pi
< 1332701319 284807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a 22:7 pi-approximation monitor.
< 1332701325 900725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a well-known number, after all.
< 1332701335 775604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they celebrate Pi Approximation Day then or something? 
< 1332701449 915881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE LIKE TAU/2 APPROXIMATION DAY
< 1332701467 181342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :44th July!
< 1332701592 915687 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tau
< 1332701593 894982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `tau'
< 1332701596 454518 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi
< 1332701597 292404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.141592653589793
< 1332701600 236918 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/
< 1332701621 605376 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle pi
< 1332701621 952426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude pi :: Floating a => a
< 1332701622 186180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed type Pico = Fixed E12
< 1332701622 348370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.PixelRectangles module Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.PixelRectangles
< 1332701632 54620 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki says CinemaScope goes up to 2.66:1 .. which isn't that far from pi
< 1332701639 914349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they could get away with pi
< 1332701730 348724 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.76:1 (~11:4) Ultra Panavision 70 (65 mm with 1.25x anamorphic squeeze). Used only on a handful of films between 1962 and 1966, such as the Battle of the Bulge (1965).
< 1332701851 617319 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332701888 532486 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332702007 455016 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently some movie "napoleon" was 4:1
< 1332702108 900008 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original Stargate was some absurdly wide aspect ratio.
< 1332702118 315930 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not that much ;)
< 1332702190 494737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was only last 20 mins of a 5 hour film was 4:1 it seems
< 1332702639 60858 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e108.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332702666 666168 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a crazy idea for Brainfuck minimization
< 1332702670 901440 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take boolfuck.
< 1332702676 840316 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332702687 473672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taken
< 1332702689 399112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702705 490609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332702709 291867 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And define @ as "flips the bit if mp%3==0, outputs 0 if mp%3==1, outputs 1 if mp%3==2"
< 1332702712 806297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand "Hello!".
< 1332702713 862226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702716 671641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand "And".
< 1332702717 198640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702726 737342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = 1 in x + x
< 1332702742 379906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand "let". Professional tip: Use "look" to view your surroundings.
< 1332702742 541414 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes both IO instructions by making them implicit
< 1332702742 740690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702747 662883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand "removes".
< 1332702748 13288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702760 154647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look
< 1332702767 902466 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def Hello! = look
< 1332702769 132909 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332702776 180249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are in an IRC channel.
< 1332702778 461515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many idiots here.
< 1332702782 360591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702789 745106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For macro support, please purchase elliott adventure: advanced edition.
< 1332702790 99840 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332702790 798047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332702791 679867 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1332702791 841358 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332702816 286597 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick nose with ice pick
< 1332702836 857482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You die.
< 1332702841 258471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCORE: 100/100
< 1332702987 126084 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332703352 473494 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1332703931 232792 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/26718?key=3395700907e5fb72c3cc04e0b68b5f31
< 1332703941 943316 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anybody see any problem with this brainfuck minimization?
< 1332704080 110365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean data pointer, rather than instruction pointer?
< 1332704119 204115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't seem /wrong/, but does seem rather arbitrary, it's halfway down the path to Whirl already
< 1332704130 821926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has only two instructions using a similar but even more blatant trick
< 1332704131 699670 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> itidus21: can't be done exactly, obviously
< 1332704131 874330 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> unless you can have fractional pixels somehow
< 1332704134 694258 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :data pointer, yeah
< 1332704145 742286 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a continuous display.
< 1332704312 277039 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm pretty sure you could encode } in Boolfuck 
< 1332704331 401636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332704339 867712 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just leave behind a few markers in the memory
< 1332704348 323970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you do the same with Whirl? it'd be a really complex encoding, but I don't see why it wouldn't be /possible/
< 1332704435 12365 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose
< 1332704436 219575 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-138-52.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332704505 673855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1332704769 16711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a not-very-good joke:
< 1332704790 559358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was the statistician hungry?
< 1332704801 92353 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he could binomial!
< 1332704807 599319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704808 126795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704808 480122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704808 654362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704809 183148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704809 357762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704810 450878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704812 230348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704814 560260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704816 495884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704818 433244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332704820 546561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332704873 552096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he is long term unemployed
< 1332704989 844681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it went sad.
< 1332705000 291768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332705012 780384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb comedy "a range of emotions"
< 1332705359 769099 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-229.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332705544 111961 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-138-52.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332705675 814349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332705969 951186 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unemployed, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
< 1332706023 204278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because unemployed
< 1332706042 789316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332706081 164895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332706213 51100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is NOT the WORST MARMITE you will ABSORB all GUY FAWKES NIGHT: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332706233 85891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi
< 1332706239 415792 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the chicken cross the road?
< 1332706246 538521 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the statistician is unemployed.
< 1332706282 469813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ... see
< 1332706312 817498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, correlation does not employ causation
< 1332706351 153843 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Ah, i understand what you mean. Let me fix it.
< 1332706355 964199 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the statistician unemployed?
< 1332706360 833804 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the chicken crossed the road.
< 1332706366 731619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332706367 472495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332706368 335725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332706368 861794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332706369 566802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,
< 1332706369 745784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332706370 618115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332706442 954581 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correlation correlates so strongly with causation it’s obvious correlation implies causation.
< 1332706512 262529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:52:09: <NSQX> Yes, that is the same thing as http://esolangs.org/wiki/TLWNN
< 1332706512 424229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:52:52: <NSQX> Do you want to know how I changed the page's name to no title?
< 1332706521 553504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he cannot be all bad after all
< 1332706556 144261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Next time it'll be your morning taken up figuring out how to move the page back.
< 1332706571 382166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, it didn't work?
< 1332706579 400626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it "worked".
< 1332706592 576091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "worked" to produce a page that nobody could type in, that was unclickable from recent changes, and that was very difficult to link to.
< 1332706600 698157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A vast "improvement".
< 1332706613 108687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially since the resulting title was not actually blank...)
< 1332706628 892348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i cleaguely recall someone discussing that it _should_ have had no title
< 1332706644 752438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jokingly suggested I might hide the title element on the page once.
< 1332706659 709941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you can move any page to a Unicode mess that looks like it's nothing.
< 1332706705 356809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so heart in the right place, cursed with bad judgement.
< 1332706716 727987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ current temporary verdict
< 1332706754 408068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the idea might make sense if you just read the hatnote and not the rest of the page where the language is constantly referred to as "TLWNN"...
< 1332706770 279779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok
< 1332706792 591903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues his policy of refusing to get dragged into infuriating stuff

< 1332706981 599834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until next time, anyway
< 1332707017 704381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry: I won't let myself wake up for the fourth day in a row with a mess to clean up.
< 1332707052 50163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw i see he changed the method - was the original soft hyphen one working more reasonably?
< 1332707069 479278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up after it all happened.
< 1332707080 59803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why it was changed. but both titles are unacceptable
< 1332707096 499478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are unclickable, both are difficult to make links to (they won't even copy from the address bar in my browser)
< 1332707097 220610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the idea of replacing every instance of "TLWNN" with "" is tempting.
< 1332707109 88174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh unclickable, right
< 1332707116 739988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be vandalism, especially since smjg: (Move log); 15:13 . . Smjg (Talk | contribs | block)‎ moved ​TLWNN to TLWNN (put it back at the title it's meant to be at)
< 1332707135 296650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if you know where it is, you can click to the left of it and then push tab and then enter
< 1332707136 292495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok smjg is the author?
< 1332707139 258995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1332707143 597956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well then.
< 1332707170 201843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that former title is the one I incorrectly moved it back to, which has unicode junk at the start of it that doesn't show up if you move a text cursor through the line and doesn't copy)
< 1332707176 731313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am partially thinking of this because random happened to send me to Whitespace yesterday
< 1332707199 52396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which had fun effects like "TLWNN" in the search bar -> "This article doesnt exist lol heres a search page why not create [[TLWNN]]" -> click the redlink -> the article displays)
< 1332707212 171609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought it would have been fun to make a spec for it that used the actual characters rather than any character names, everywhere
< 1332707222 220275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332707227 787881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MediaWiki might strip a lot of those out
< 1332707241 799916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but not in pre.
< 1332707246 938417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332707254 666551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i still doubt it maintains \n vs. \r\n.
< 1332707262 750255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does whitespace use \r?
< 1332707281 232018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only as a synonym for \n, i think
< 1332707299 225319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think \n might end up normalised to \r\n
< 1332707300 878240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly allowing \r\n to work as both
< 1332707302 915123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would break things, I think
< 1332707304 317868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332707316 870923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think that was the _intention_
< 1332707325 824001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, breaking things?
< 1332707326 700427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1332707410 468686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i got stuck on two points (1) it looks like there is no way to use tab inline (i haven't quite checked it completely) (2) how _does_ one make a spec without infringing copyright on the original, anyway?
< 1332707444 546150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring it would be for you guys to maintain the wiki without NSQX and 210.156.14.10
< 1332707621 969673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if wiki maintenance was boring, elliott could go make some new esolangs instead
< 1332707634 25710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an esolang recently
< 1332707634 936677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1332707667 227758 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will make another soon
< 1332707679 530631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, real fast nora?
< 1332707687 642869 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1332707702 652620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, oerjan, can you swat olsner?
< 1332707718 468097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
< 1332707864 303963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Fueue, which needs more love
< 1332707901 86435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1332707911 660616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (2) by rewriting it
< 1332707918 195630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages aren't copyrightable, prose is
< 1332707944 19613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: compare using an encyclopedia as a source for a paper and copying its text
< 1332707957 704042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's not an objective standard, but nothing is in copyright
< 1332707962 710059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats olsner ----

< 1332707983 729350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare the content of my webpage Public Domain, mainly because I copy a lot of it from the wiki and don't really understand copyright
< 1332707988 663707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get half the swatter since you only gave part of the name
< 1332708003 785662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can put a fancy logo from Creative Commons on the page!!!
< 1332708015 951470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/
< 1332708036 721305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so if I had given nothing of the name, I would have had none of the swat?
< 1332708037 234821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you can copy public domain anywhere without problems
< 1332708045 116758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: POSSIBLE
< 1332708075 22212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah, but I don't want to get it backwards and get the wiki in trouble
< 1332708085 156225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when you submit it to the wiki, you release it
< 1332708091 661911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you copied it from your site or not, as long as it's yours
< 1332708113 683065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the opposite is all-rights-reserved, which would get you in trouble rather than the wiki
< 1332708118 966540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the only person who could get the wiki into trouble if we /did/ violate your copyrights is you, more or less)
< 1332708130 739081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: backwards as in copying from site -> wik
< 1332708131 89392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1332708151 827385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure
< 1332708167 496728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I like your page's background, by the way.
< 1332708223 936244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anyway, as i was saying to ais523, I've actually worked on *two* esolangs recently, except one of them stopped being esoteric
< 1332708255 456234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, ok
< 1332708268 733696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed that since I hadn't noticed, you weren't doing anything
< 1332708309 657699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which are those esolangs you've supposedly been working on?
< 1332708336 758845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks
< 1332708431 69042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: My name is Johny, what the F**K?????, and an unnamed language
< 1332708529 169648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, does Fueue count as concatenative?
< 1332708543 232681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does appending one program to another sequence them together?
< 1332708549 199731 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another spam-inspired esoname... doesn't seem to have anything on the wiki though
< 1332708549 907025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more formally,
< 1332708578 777153 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332708579 301252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: considering a fueue program as a function from a queue to a queue, does (p ++ q)(queue) represent q(p(queue))?
< 1332708583 697711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ++ is just appending the two programs together
< 1332708584 153304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think so...
< 1332708591 452507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't
< 1332708614 327090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not concatenative... unless you misunderstood me :)
< 1332709123 348788 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332709206 908544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1332709277 41695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is monqy from
< 1332709287 933056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly an amonqyan
< 1332709288 643625 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332709318 524242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is from the america
< 1332709329 774182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which state, you know?
< 1332709335 980629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland, probably
< 1332709341 369222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know which state! i don't know if monqy wants quintopia to know which state.
< 1332709351 735788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust quintopia.
< 1332709364 733673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true. i might, like...end up knowing a fact
< 1332709372 328788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't want that
< 1332709432 814565 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88CA9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332709712 689409 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care but
< 1332709718 437699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to know, just curiosity???
< 1332709752 557432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stalking)
< 1332709889 353284 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332709906 356462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quintopia creepy
< 1332709916 198506 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e5c5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332709924 310121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i can judge you based on your time zone
< 1332709942 175380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are atlantic time, i will judge SO HARD
< 1332709959 190177 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e108.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332709964 436619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests in the sandbox: <div class="plainpres">Testing "<pre style="display: inline">&#9;</pre>" ho!</div>

< 1332709977 620916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this am not
< 1332709978 672394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sandboxe
< 1332709987 179453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just quoting from it
< 1332710002 351111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1332710007 868795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should save it for the future
< 1332710018 166815 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: im pacific time
< 1332710037 10277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE okay j/k
< 1332710038 417101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1332710047 376508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: rainy pacific or sunny pacific?
< 1332710058 742691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment it's raining
< 1332710063 705078 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's sunny pacific
< 1332710093 906356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the div is only because class="plainpres" apparently doesn't affect the element _itself_ if it's a pre
< 1332710150 697532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed.
< 1332710169 144316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try display: inline-block
< 1332710178 277741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like a block element, but smushed up with the other text
< 1332710179 858191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful
< 1332710183 609924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference?
< 1332710254 398231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm really this should probably have <code> style, but it needs to be a <pre> because that's the only thing which preserves tabs...
< 1332710256 876003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: inline is inline
< 1332710259 523745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline-block is inline-block
< 1332710264 988789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see CSS spec if you need gory details
< 1332710271 114247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can give the white-space property to a <code>
< 1332710274 979891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get it to preserve whitespace inside
< 1332710295 85226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can either make that work, or do the W image after wikipedia links today. pick one :P
< 1332710303 76215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let me test
< 1332710314 193202 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-188-132.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332710316 868587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so monqy is in LA or somewhere just NW of there. this is a place i feel kin to, so ...
< 1332710320 268903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not judge

< 1332710332 691567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
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< 1332710352 662579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am sceptical because i found on google someone complaining how they couldn't get white-space: pre to work for tabs
< 1332710367 515343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then
< 1332710371 734302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but <pre>s are not special at all.
< 1332710371 895596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that it varied chaotically between browsers
< 1332710379 330164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CSS rules are the only thing making them special.
< 1332710389 824570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh? hm.
< 1332710393 217487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want, you can make an <i> look just like a <pre>
< 1332710395 851300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is in theory.
< 1332710400 946991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't guarantee it applies to all browsers in practice.
< 1332710405 517821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all use html5 parsers nowadays
< 1332710407 796553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd /hope/ it doe
< 1332710408 146703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1332710409 822593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does
< 1332710426 146126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1332710430 786903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline-block works perfectly
< 1332710495 811784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow
< 1332710502 232291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i google "white-space css3". top result is safalra's website.
< 1332710510 497837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332710524 292062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: white-space: pre does work in IE8, at least.
< 1332710528 415333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox here it is with a <code>
< 1332710545 289236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to put that in a {{tab}} template or such
< 1332710571 449179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/#properties has the whole list
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< 1332710623 558940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is the difference with inline-block that it puts the tabstops starting from the beginning of the block rather than the whole line?
< 1332710641 5206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be nice if googling for css and a property actually got you the css spec rather than a boatload of random crap from the 'webs
< 1332710681 108889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wiki i finally see why aspect ratios are x/y where x> y .. since eyes are arranged horizontally on one's face
< 1332710741 776641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, let me try and explain the difference between inline and inline-block
< 1332710746 164761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say your element has a red outline
< 1332710754 432076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's inline, then the outline will start where your text starts, wrap across lines, etc.
< 1332710759 183962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. an inline element flows with the text, so to speak
< 1332710767 830804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an inline-block element, the outline will always be rectangular
< 1332710777 854264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically renders it as a block and /places/ it inline
< 1332710803 752159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otherwise, this might help: http://dustwell.com/div-span-inline-block.html
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< 1332710837 865507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not sure exactly _why_ it helps in this case.
< 1332710851 501417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that "inline" text collapses whitespace always, or something
< 1332710963 974772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<timthelion> osa1: basically, an imperitive program is just a program that is deterministic as to order of evaluation.  Many mathematical structures are determinstic, gnostically, as to order of evaluation, therefore, imperitiveness is a subset of the structures which haskell can represent.
< 1332710973 290362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not making sense is this guy's day job
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< 1332711369 774850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1332711387 438529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Taneb
< 1332711458 901004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Phantom_Hoover
< 1332711477 409108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha im not falling for that one again
< 1332711495 444678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1332711667 664692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he is saying that haskell can be both imperative and non-imperative
< 1332711823 678708 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....i think
< 1332711903 219124 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-188-132.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332711913 29701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's saying that imperitiveness is, gnostically, a subset of haskell
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< 1332712020 796183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnostic Subset, that could be the name of something
< 1332712133 14735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using assignment operator '=' ...  many mathematical structures = imperative program = deterministic, gnostically, as to over of evaluation
< 1332712202 866741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^order....
< 1332712319 13019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a general rule, mathematical notation doesn't make things clearer unless you first understand what you are saying.
< 1332712352 537817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: band, when in doubt it's always a band
< 1332712373 234171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oerjan> as a general rule, mathematical notation doesn't make things clearer unless you first understand what you are saying.
< 1332712382 273688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :832) <oerjan> as a general rule, mathematical notation doesn't make things clearer unless you first understand what you are saying.
< 1332712547 909025 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome, please start being OK with YouTube again
< 1332712578 698202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it wouldn't make sense for a company's browser to be the most compatible with one of that companies websites
< 1332712603 913199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You must = mistaken.
< 1332712620 508119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1332712682 823514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any neater way than to express X = Z, Y = Z than to say X = Y = Z
< 1332712712 724721 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't actually mean to say X is Z
< 1332712777 748278 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, some non-transietive version of equality?
< 1332712804 578203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars turn green in the spring. eggs turn green, gnostically, in the spring.  .. so i phrased it as.. cars = eggs = turn green, gnostically, in the spring
< 1332712816 517514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is transietive like imperitive
< 1332712825 395158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very droll
< 1332712857 347229 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't spell
< 1332712875 362718 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the property of ? specifying that if a ? b and b ? c then a ? c
< 1332712877 977369 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling english words is not necessary to be a programmer
< 1332712897 45139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if its english as a second language it matters even less
< 1332712965 764993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transitive" hth
< 1332712975 221027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry im in a shitty mood
< 1332712984 473007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more important to put the correct amount of spaces on the correct side of punctuation marks !
< 1332713002 486303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in your very recent Mr. Snuggles CFJ, did you consider the implications of submitting it without proper arguments or evidence?
< 1332713009 692338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: enigma contains different floors !
< 1332713099 242537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(minor achievement I've accomplished: submitting the same puzzle to two different unrelated puzzle competitions both named "Enigma")
< 1332713117 512800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not a player, so I don't think I have to
< 1332713174 279851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you didn't?
< 1332713197 821668 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott
< 1332713201 101141 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332713213 646167 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're totally a player
< 1332713231 733672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe I did, maybe I didn't... whichever one will not result in you doing something nasty like criminal cfjing me
< 1332713239 504338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to criminal CFJ you /anyway/
< 1332713243 891505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332713246 705177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I definitely did
< 1332713254 779917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that it was for the good of Agora for me to submit that CFJ
< 1332713261 825001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it would lead to the game's collapse, which is for the best
< 1332713269 946724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not helping
< 1332713282 552250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a nice clear precedent on whether it was possible to violate a SHOULD or not
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< 1332713332 793172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332713340 612500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, truthfully, I didn't :P
< 1332713356 433087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the only way i can be punished is EXILE, which is rather ineffective.
< 1332713359 779702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I guessed that :)
< 1332713363 905103 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn welcome We are pleased to welcome you to the conception of the international application and the language centre. For more information about de la wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332713367 436437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1332713369 428547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, and it's possible you'll have a low or null centre
< 1332713375 397686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*punishment
< 1332713377 857423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you are found guilty
< 1332713416 592560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1332713419 128369 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1332713423 736018 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332713433 372372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: centre -> punishment? how
< 1332713441 380166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no idea
< 1332713442 609746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hmm.. it seems actually that i was using = as a concatenation operator
< 1332713447 889473 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He read my line :)
< 1332713449 986233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, must have been a mental typo for "sentence"
< 1332713452 443116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I couldn't find the original line
< 1332713454 375292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*word
< 1332713476 894808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds RocketJSquirrel's explanation more plausible

< 1332713479 298152 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't I try to do something to test that?
< 1332713483 439833 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SHOULD thing?
< 1332713487 559998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: possibly
< 1332713492 583440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you find a link or reference to it?
< 1332713498 240799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. X + Z, Y + Z ... (X | Y) + Z
< 1332713516 345414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you changed notation in the middle of your line? or didn't you?
< 1332713542 623706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know what i was doing.... 
< 1332713566 531761 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there you have it.. X + Z, Y + Z therefore (X | Y) + Z
< 1332713574 996003 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2383
< 1332713593 994757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: thanks!
< 1332713596 625806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*http://cfj.qoid.us/2383
< 1332713600 69160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftfy hth
< 1332713613 960085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, you called it
< 1332713614 917283 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the big difference that you're saying that that site is better?
< 1332713651 257107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: cfj.qoid.us loads before the heat death of the universe, and i don't have to increase the font size a few times before not wanting to claw my eyes out
< 1332713652 526117 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2383a or http://cfj.qoid.us/2383a
< 1332713657 933350 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(many mathematical structures are | an imperative program is) deterministic, gnostically, as to over of evaluation
< 1332713668 503129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the font size seems to be better nowadays
< 1332713692 548527 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew*
< 1332713731 782793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use zenith over qoid, I'm more used to its search function
< 1332713767 544375 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^order of...
< 1332713861 81748 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game looks fun
< 1332713867 621166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ctrl+F is a good enough search :P
< 1332713873 808843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: http://agoranomic.org/, you should join!
< 1332713884 859474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's having a bit of a slump right now
< 1332713890 750004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unlike B, there's no cosmic guarantee it's just getting out of one
< 1332713914 335767 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm into the idea. Gonna read up a bit and then probably join
< 1332713939 947949 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know if that appeal adequately explores stuff, considering the involvement of a direct admission...
< 1332713953 374200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html is nice, it links rules and CFJs together
< 1332713965 506452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, if it did we wouldn't need another CFJ on the matter
< 1332713969 200516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a good history
< 1332713973 625318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good context
< 1332713974 466743 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1332713975 519553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, precedent
< 1332713976 576391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: although http://agora.qoid.us/current_slr.txt might by better for a beginner, since they probably don't care about all the CFJs
< 1332713982 192767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be better
< 1332714002 723084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's australia-ish
< 1332714017 10086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, although the summaries are useful
< 1332714024 211476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would you recommend for a beginner, the SLR or FLR?
< 1332714029 653550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLR
< 1332714036 352349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLR is only good if you know your way around already
< 1332714039 643137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLR contains all the context
< 1332714043 681761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then
< 1332714057 858115 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back in at some poitn
< 1332714059 158040 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point
< 1332714107 352080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, I think rule 104 might be the only rule that has ever been called as a CFJ
< 1332714122 320855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1332714133 936130 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O what
< 1332714161 966754 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the map puns
< 1332714185 302885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: speaker for the first game
< 1332714185 481078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in a place which looks just like MANUBOURNE
< 1332714203 922485 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the text of the rule was called as a CFJ
< 1332714218 738062 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought someone was saying that the rule itself was both a rule and a CFJ at one point
< 1332714248 726559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell comex http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html#rule-105 has the (hide) one CFJ line too low, presumably because the first line lists two CFJs
< 1332714249 36745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332714269 63214 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is le tired

< 1332714288 587399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amended(17) by Proposal 6124 (ehird), 15 March 2009
< 1332714297 987707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've made a /successful proposal/ that /amended a rule/?
< 1332714306 781761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't the Monster?
< 1332714321 373947 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks
< 1332714321 661282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1332714323 746377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1332714327 884589 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @messages
< 1332714328 198963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1m 19s ago: http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html#rule-105 has the (hide) one CFJ line too low, presumably because the first line lists two CFJs
< 1332714342 341752 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't lambdabot the #haskell bot?
< 1332714348 687294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in a lot of channels
< 1332714350 480136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listchans
< 1332714350 743547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :##freebsd ##logic ##proggit ##villagegreen #agda #arch-haskell #darcs #esoteric #fedora-haskell #friendly-coders #functionaljava #gentoo-haskell #gentoo-uy #ghc #happs #haskell #haskell-blah #
< 1332714350 931018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell-books #haskell-br #haskell-fr #haskell-freebsd #haskell-in-depth #haskell-overflow #haskell-pl #haskell.au #haskell.cz #haskell.de #haskell.dut #haskell.hr #haskell.se #learnanycomputerlanguag
< 1332714351 92205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e #lesswrong #macosx #macosxdev #rosettacode #scala #scalaz #scannedinavian #teamunix #unicycling #uscs2010 #xmonad #yi weird#
< 1332714353 697037 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @help
< 1332714353 982734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
< 1332714356 620805 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @list
< 1332714356 895080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
< 1332714375 986301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does murphy's site have proposals?
< 1332714388 266713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1332714389 177401 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> a
< 1332714389 686598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = a
< 1332714390 726664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely has assessments
< 1332714393 884296 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> b
< 1332714394 202065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332714395 797702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it has the proposals themselves
< 1332714397 302717 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would one scan Ned I., avian?
< 1332714405 495485 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no undefined for you, huh
< 1332714409 64982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/rule/1681#diff/610610/610806 hmm...
< 1332714423 318235 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn [a] -> Int
< 1332714423 607373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type []
< 1332714425 861325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no proposals
< 1332714434 815269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links to Wooble's website for them, which isn't working
< 1332714436 125912 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's weird# ?
< 1332714444 924514 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just search gmail
< 1332714460 928029 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/lht4f5nxfe6lcxwzwuhkvw
< 1332714461 179772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, just assessments, not proposals
< 1332714464 869555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links to wooble's site for proposals
< 1332714467 696054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332714468 221976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332714470 336962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-snap
< 1332714499 160585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zenith.homelinux.net/assessor/list.php?author=ehird haha, wow, only two of my proposals have ever passed
< 1332714499 892790 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have had the theory for a while that there is a fundamental disconnect between players that use Gmail and players tha tdon't)
< 1332714503 20564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/including/ Mad Scientist proposals
< 1332714504 75222 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess augustss forgot about undefined when he was implementing @djinn.
< 1332714507 41838 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as ais523)
< 1332714513 974832 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would've made his life so much easier.
< 1332714540 120125 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332714541 359633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders wtf Fuck That does

< 1332714550 403006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TVYC
< 1332714577 428548 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => m a -> m b -> m b
< 1332714577 675435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = a >>= (\ _ -> b)
< 1332714584 671613 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1332714602 853541 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's more than I would've expected.
< 1332714615 702813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://sprunge.us/hIAd
< 1332714618 866718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => m (m a) -> m a
< 1332714619 115476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332714619 276928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why I proposed this
< 1332714632 248769 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some djinn you are.
< 1332714633 27021 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Monad m => m (m a) -> m a
< 1332714633 509022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad join :: Monad m => m (m a) -> m a
< 1332714633 697220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (>>) :: Monad m => m a -> m b -> m b
< 1332714633 858535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (>>) :: Monad m => m a -> m b -> m b
< 1332714637 711956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did that amend a rule?
< 1332714642 271227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :join x = x >>= id
< 1332714643 149886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it didn't
< 1332714644 553767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did it pass
< 1332714647 13117 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should've figured that out...
< 1332714650 536489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex already linked the one that did: <comex> http://pastie.org/private/lht4f5nxfe6lcxwzwuhkvw
< 1332714666 110933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of privating that?
< 1332714673 223763 :comex!~comex@ec2-50-19-141-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I habitually private everything
< 1332714676 72718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => (a -> mb) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
< 1332714676 351557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332714700 856933 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless bot.
< 1332714705 71345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mb"
< 1332714705 594168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1332714708 937426 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1332714713 504413 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
< 1332714713 936417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332714714 913528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
< 1332714715 206750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332714718 140189 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332714719 551956 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless bot.
< 1332714793 531144 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-188-132.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332714793 942642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: were you a player in the first week of February?
< 1332714803 252350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it's really relevant)
< 1332714900 27816 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is a silly game. Just my 0.27 cents.
< 1332714910 39995 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 0.01 ILS in USD
< 1332714921 474923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snindex.spacenews.com/imaginova.spacenews/quote?Symbol=149%3A275136
< 1332714930 993928 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless bot.
< 1332714947 123239 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.2681
< 1332714956 874565 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait
< 1332714963 976942 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the 1 ratio
< 1332714979 352649 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more in the 0.0027
< 1332715005 650279 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332715019 817767 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1332715031 606480 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = Verizon

< 1332715064 106305 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. They were right! Corporations *are* people!
< 1332715071 312374 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People with IRC handles!
< 1332715144 490123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I have been publishing a null string as required by the contract every week (cunningly disguised amongst other messages, I'll make it more explicit if people want)
< 1332715150 994068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking over past CFJs is pretty fun
< 1332715280 895202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion >>= should be defined in terms of join instead of the other way around
< 1332715414 852921 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => m (a,b) -> ((a,b) -> m (c,d)) -> m (c,d)
< 1332715415 121186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1332715417 846492 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1332715418 130784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = (>>=)
< 1332715422 62066 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless bot.
< 1332715456 791933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> elliott: were you a player in the first week of February?
< 1332715459 609472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1332715526 40818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fun question: if it turns out you can't violate a SHOULD you're unaware of, is it possible to miss the existence of RtR week due to not having read the rules?
< 1332715529 443581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some sort of fun recursion here
< 1332715635 737369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I told someone that I have proven that   mzero >> x = mzero   is implied by the monad laws, they didn't believe me because the monad laws don't mention mzero. But I wrote a kind of proof, but it was too informal and had some mistakes, but then some other people said I was still correct in the conclusion, and that it is a free theorem.
< 1332715653 223692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-env
< 1332715653 493829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data () = ()
< 1332715653 680089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Either a b = Left a | Right b
< 1332715653 841192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a
< 1332715653 841426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True
< 1332715653 841532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void
< 1332715655 493153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Not x = x -> Void
< 1332715657 496518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monad m where return :: a -> m a; (>>=) :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1332715659 495667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Eq a where (==) :: a -> a -> Bool
< 1332715744 973805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332715760 235249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332715761 990875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewrite it as:    join (x <$ mzero) = mzero    and    join (return <$> x) = x
< 1332715771 985854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised something sad
< 1332715775 708899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then include Functor laws.
< 1332715809 16663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Brook, it's impossible to create the very thing Brook was created to create
< 1332715827 297993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1332715875 742842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that somehow the Monad definition does not fit into the form necessary for the logic solver to use it efficiently - something like a missing subformula property, perhaps?
< 1332715883 767175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*missing the
< 1332715918 707389 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-env
< 1332715918 947423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data () = ()
< 1332715919 136483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Either a b = Left a | Right b
< 1332715919 297783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a
< 1332715919 298070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True
< 1332715919 298213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void
< 1332715920 966372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Not x = x -> Void
< 1332715922 949802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monad m where return :: a -> m a; (>>=) :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1332715924 950437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Eq a where (==) :: a -> a -> Bool
< 1332715925 280507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which is what?
< 1332715933 728789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite streams of code
< 1332715955 485184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to make an infinite number of finite streams, however
< 1332715980 452618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cut-elimination theorem, or something like that
< 1332716098 269383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-83-112.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332716253 362371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nor
< 1332716253 536232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is e the sort of person who's at all likely to carefully weigh the
< 1332716253 712588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implications of something before acting impulsively"
< 1332716255 293149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot, ais523 :)
< 1332716304 2560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is the same sort of statement as you saying that I couldn't possibly be Mr. Snuggles as that would mean I'd use GMail
< 1332716340 797062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: I actually have code on this laptop for fetching submissions from GMail over IMAP
< 1332716366 39257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah, that's your university using gmail
< 1332716367 620164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at least two automatic submission processes I've worked on used GMail for the submission process
< 1332716369 932362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332716383 320916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is stupid as they have entirely competent mailserver admins, and their own mailserver
< 1332716427 178837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I've been failing to effectively play agora for 4 years
< 1332716480 446532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looking back over my own Lua code, it's surprising how hard it is to read sometimes due to not using semicolons
< 1332716490 141840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x3 = m4 - x2 x5 = m4 - m5
< 1332716501 211903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    end end end end
< 1332716502 613360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :end end end end end end end end end
< 1332716520 649128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a comment, then another end
< 1332716527 57530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as good as Lisp :)
< 1332716539 866081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered using: newlines?
< 1332716551 551587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is with elliott 

< 1332716599 293579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"end end end end end end end end end" sounds like a crazy apocalyptic person.
< 1332716612 94843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> if they wanted me to use newlines, they'd force me to! [or some equally-nonsensical language trolling]
< 1332716621 738305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION SAVES PEOPLE WORK

< 1332716655 460328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the code in question would have been much harder to read with newlines added between every command
< 1332716665 284087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should add "the end" as a macro for the right number of endings
< 1332717148 308587 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42223.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332717153 565628 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332717225 321165 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e5c5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332717494 333960 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY ELLIOTT
< 1332717497 141820 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :REMEMBER THAT THING?
< 1332717504 380784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1332717505 785176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THE THING
< 1332717544 255514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you asked me not to remind you of?
< 1332717553 71682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooOOOOOOOooOOOOOOooOOOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
< 1332717599 661756 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1332717608 373512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good.
< 1332717705 235473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, something I just saw in a Reddit comment: apparently the reason the GNU tools are so complex and produce so many options is to make it obvious that they aren't copyvios of some commercial UNIX
< 1332717720 363848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plausible, but it's not clear if it's true
< 1332717729 412233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a weird definition of plausible.
< 1332717739 320697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean that it isn't obviously false
< 1332717753 719555 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many options does true have?
< 1332717758 827182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two IIRC
< 1332717772 666311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1332717779 555745 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--help and --version ?
< 1332717782 562784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332717789 108859 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has at least three.
< 1332717791 936372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true -- --help
< 1332717811 368428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it ignores any arguments unless it gets exactly "--help" or "--version", IIRC
< 1332717811 529925 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, it's not behaving like it recognizes those
< 1332717817 862620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: /bin/true
< 1332717821 816701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh.
< 1332717822 168561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use GNU true
< 1332717831 43092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bash true
< 1332717869 206386 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is NO WARRANTY
< 1332717882 244055 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think I wish I had a warranty on /bin/true
< 1332717887 756464 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is a patentcopyrighttrademark violator.
< 1332717897 658762 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never know when it will return nothing unsuccessfully.
< 1332717918 996482 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the power suddenly goes out? Than /bin/true might not fulfill its contract!
< 1332717919 722063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: if you've never seen it before, do "/bin/true --version > /dev/full"
< 1332717935 80346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then check the return code
< 1332717939 524284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("echo $?")
< 1332717942 991718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google falso true "axiomatic system"
< 1332717944 648058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/amarilli/falso/
< 1332717944 835319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Falso, by Estatis Inc.
< 1332717954 618743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just linked to that days ago. :(
< 1332717958 546004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION /bin/true --version > /dev/full 2> /dev/full

< 1332717970 472209 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is that the shell's returning 1 though?
< 1332717972 822639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no separate error for the failure to print the error message
< 1332717975 824540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no, it's true
< 1332717978 810586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :returning false
< 1332717982 877062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it failed to print the version message
< 1332717988 434197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was no space left on /dev/full
< 1332718003 562166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tragic circumstance, too many people used it for testing lack of space errors and now it's full
< 1332718268 438948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, why (in C/C++) does the null directive exist anyway?
< 1332718288 96639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love saying "C/C++" when talking about the preprocessor, as that's pretty much the only context where it's a correct phrase to use)
< 1332718318 13910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :null statements are potentially useful (label anchors, etc.); null declarations don't exist but gcc implements them anyway for no obvious reason; but null directives seem a little pointless, as you can't even generate them with macros
< 1332718353 889971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Null directives?
< 1332718365 362383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a # on a line by itself
< 1332718370 109117 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1332718370 809639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nothing and is deleted by the preprocessor
< 1332718378 948586 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is astonishingly useless.
< 1332718383 190559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332718395 40049 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not at least make it *vaguely* useful...
< 1332718399 235314 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!
< 1332718414 438319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have compliant interpreted C code with a shebang. :)
< 1332718433 86939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also ignore the rest of the line, which null directives don't do
< 1332718438 604013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to be alone on the line (or with a comment)
< 1332718444 850081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or multiple comments, I guess)
< 1332718466 522892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, even if it didn't you could work around it.
< 1332718470 995847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!//bin/run-c
< 1332718506 262560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :)
< 1332718521 86206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could create a symlink to / called *, in /
< 1332718549 137069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you wouldn't even have to rely on // being parsed as / in a pathname (at the start of a path, it isn't necessarily)
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< 1332719937 134402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to follow a "Tibetan Personality Test". It asked me to put animals in a preferred order, give words describing certain things, name people who know me corresponding to five colors, and to write my favorite number and day of week. Before beginning, it asked me to make a wish. I didn't know the answers, so I kept the animals in the order given, used the words themselves to describe themselves, used names of people who had the given colors
< 1332719988 812098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said my wish will come true after I tell my favorite number of people about this test, on the day of the week my favorite one. But, not only does my wish describe something impossible but the number I indicated as my favorite number is not a positive integer.
< 1332720019 546722 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What nonsense!
< 1332720068 441815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332720313 591251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126819/esoteric-programming-languages-acceptable-or-discouraged finally, someone gives us the recognition we deserve
< 1332720380 783594 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are half the well known esolangs bullshit ones
< 1332720419 795300 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people have no taste.
< 1332720458 236151 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Esoteric languages are part of Stack Overflow as every other language, two of them (Python and Ruby1) are even featured in SO's 404 polyglot:"
< 1332720466 361076 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least two of those are just cyphers of generic languages
< 1332720472 667419 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 If you are a Pythonista or a Rubyist and feel like chopping my head off, just replace that with C and Perl.
< 1332720472 836296 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1332720474 500434 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is basically putting stickers on your car
< 1332720483 502484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hey you just have to invent a time machine, nothing big!
< 1332720564 917598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should call my next language Brain@%#!
< 1332720566 665130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Brainf**k
< 1332720619 608322 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like brainfuck except instead of +-<>[]., you only use swears
< 1332720647 879262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's in fact nothing like brainf**k, maybe i should make it a CA or something
< 1332720663 774749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a cypher of lolcode.
< 1332720664 469507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1332720672 131305 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit piss cunt motherfucker tits cocks turd and twat
< 1332720679 382268 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart, too
< 1332720705 31245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cipher of lolcode called "C"
< 1332720723 601571 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shall call it srscode
< 1332720730 105918 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will just be C
< 1332720752 879821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-154.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, C makes for a decent esolang.
< 1332720780 501628 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's basically the only language that I have been taught
< 1332720790 194747 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for me it's pretty much what a programming language is
< 1332720951 352166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the snake?
< 1332721021 225494 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-173-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has gone to read his SICP
< 1332721052 121398 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332721166 236115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight
< 1332721178 687348 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332721390 737331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b*a*n*u*k  and *r*i*f*c*
< 1332721430 759711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1332721753 542287 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a brainfuck variant named banukrifc
< 1332721782 950242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble brainfuck
< 1332721783 111537 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :banukcfir
< 1332721794 643537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1332721814 30421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble brainfuck
< 1332721814 191990 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bkrcauifn
< 1332722024 998006 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88D4B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332722177 289204 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banuk?
< 1332722188 423458 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like baduk which is an alternative name of Go I think
< 1332722195 590572 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, UPDATE
< 1332723296 325714 :SDr!SDr@unaffiliated/sdr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332732828 595234 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332732850 573746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332732852 604737 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up
< 1332732862 834531 :Mannerisk!~mannerisk@c-24-16-16-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Mannerisk
< 1332732875 626689 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read cyanide and happiness
< 1332732875 788066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you seen our new wiki main page?
< 1332732881 322218 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332732896 498727 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please link it so i don't have to do _anything_
< 1332732904 766607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oklopol 
< 1332732908 313345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332732940 1246 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :featured language! you did it :D
< 1332732949 278223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME FAMOUS
< 1332732964 954274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND TSWETT TOO
< 1332732987 562923 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i meant that you added the whole featured language thing, you as in u pplz.
< 1332732994 771337 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall this being discussed
< 1332733004 624591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  although mostly elliott.
< 1332733117 52664 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elly the new elliott
< 1332733132 83073 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it but who knows
< 1332733150 223938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, elly is the new has-suspiciously-similar-initials-to elliott
< 1332733158 490598 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.
< 1332733183 86388 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooo.
< 1332733188 434011 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no moneys, will someone lend me some
< 1332733202 633466 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ihope127 was a genius.  It's a shame he's no longer with us.
< 1332733208 986419 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean give me
< 1332733220 97651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great tragedy.
< 1332733239 754098 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world mourns this loss.
< 1332733266 413627 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he have ass cancer
< 1332733273 515474 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know?
< 1332733301 551466 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well could he sit anywhere?
< 1332733311 27505 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION up arrow enter

< 1332733320 542771 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-179.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332733326 145188 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know
< 1332733331 656839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brought him up
< 1332733338 540325 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I did?
< 1332733343 985131 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember this at all.
< 1332733348 758818 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really i guess it was oerjan
< 1332733357 94355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  you were a remarkably bad parent, though.
< 1332733378 886500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always absent
< 1332733395 802963 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're probably joking.
< 1332733414 478265 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one knows
< 1332733425 731487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  any similarity to _real_ children you are abandonic is mere coincidence.
< 1332733430 808878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ing
< 1332733471 583500 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got this thousand or so euros for my conference trip, and i'm wondering if the paperwork is worth doing or should i just pay it myself
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< 1332733503 637948 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to like give them a report and receipts from the trip
< 1332733511 230174 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what the fuck, just gimme the moneys
< 1332733535 604536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the conference paperwork panic, i remember it well.
< 1332733546 191768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up not applying.
< 1332733551 428138 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1332733567 677756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the money.)
< 1332733575 716332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332733616 119558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at least hope i get funding for the trip to taiwan
< 1332733656 623978 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming we get accepted. it's a fair assumption because our paper is _awesome_.
< 1332733666 386780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally.
< 1332733669 114087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1332733684 220120 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do you know if springer and friends have bots that check if the articles are downloadable free on authors' websites
< 1332733698 36572 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because long story short, ours is and i'm having a hard time getting it down.
< 1332733764 884945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i updated my publications list on this one university website and they had this button for upping the pdf. and i'm like hurr durr what's next okay pdf lemme just upload that for ya.
< 1332733769 968494 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have there been 4 downloads of the CPL interpreter this week?
< 1332733797 944147 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i sent an email to them and they're like okay we'll do something about this ^^
< 1332733834 36348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently elsevier charges 3000 dollars if you wanna upload the article on your website for free
< 1332733858 264608 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3000 is a lot to pay for being a fucking retard :D
< 1332733929 821860 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it's more that the government should pay me stupid support.
< 1332734223 99758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there is a "boycott elsevier" movement, right?
< 1332734622 848310 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally
< 1332734663 350033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure 3000 dollars sounds better than whatever springer has to offer in this context
< 1332734691 852816 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPL doesn't do Smalltalk comments properly
< 1332734740 489911 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are its comments way too substantial to qualify for smalltalk
< 1332734744 632275 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as
< 1332734764 938239 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" opens a Smalltalk comment " closes it
< 1332734793 9105 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK
< 1332734805 169305 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should issue a warning about unterminated comment, imo
< 1332734810 406504 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ""FUCK should be a syntax error
< 1332734837 161928 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else should be a syntax error
< 1332734864 562752 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-120.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332734883 440840 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as a convex algebra whose elements are alternating Turing machines" could someone elaborate on this
< 1332734930 519517 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to even make them an affine space
< 1332734938 332393 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the field is R
< 1332734958 799357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not whoever first put that in the topic, so no.
< 1332734965 933335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332734971 205623 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it just makes no sense
< 1332735011 281260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know.  it _could_ make sense to take convex combinations of them somehow?
< 1332735018 723744 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: this smells like your handiwork
< 1332735034 361964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1332735043 117163 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 1/pi of one automaton and 1-1/pi of the other?
< 1332735048 559779 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-179.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332735048 721198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332735076 191759 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the alternation part is crucial here
< 1332735100 877095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs The proof is trivial! Just view the
< 1332735118 930626 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MSleep
< 1332735133 304703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332735139 972417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs The proof is trivial! Just view the
< 1332735152 598283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody timeouts
< 1332735154 338494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8939
< 1332735186 645901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok, you are irresponsible here
< 1332735198 559134 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: could you elaborate?
< 1332735243 445071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theproofistrivial.com/
< 1332735253 814384 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1332735257 901350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1332735288 943396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it _was_ trivial, then.
< 1332735343 131210 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof is trivial! Just biject it to a
< 1332735345 275143 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatorial
< 1332735347 174897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topological space
< 1332735349 107047 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose elements are
< 1332735351 215219 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :convex
< 1332735353 184866 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric spaces
< 1332735367 72288 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close to making sense
< 1332735377 550222 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to me :D)
< 1332735432 616534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your quest shall be to get one of those as the proof of a proposition in your next paper.
< 1332735508 629329 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD
< 1332735510 375557 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332735528 883185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lemma will also do.
< 1332735551 572818 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try at least doing something with that form
< 1332735578 500115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound too hard, but i'm only writing one solo paper atm
< 1332735582 584820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has to be something actually from that website.
< 1332735587 234278 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332735588 464647 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1332735667 941612 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The proof is trivial! Just view the problem as an associative semigroup whose elements are clopen groups" so a family of clopen topological groups, and i guess the natural associative operation is cartesian product
< 1332735693 525597 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to start an article on universal algebra, perhaps i could use that there
< 1332735730 789502 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-176.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332735781 916821 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thing that generates whole nonsensical proofs?
< 1332735797 15990 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of something that generates nonsensical papers somewhere
< 1332735804 48086 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got submitted to some ... place
< 1332735823 535460 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
< 1332735895 532330 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/rooter.pdf
< 1332735896 410748 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1332735912 573384 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-157-120.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332736021 960547 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1332736424 257737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 3 cm * 4500000000 -> lightseconds
< 1332736437 819219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :67500000/149896229 (approx. 0.4503115285175053)
< 1332736696 832082 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1332736886 15865 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332736983 278940 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty unbelievable stuff
< 1332737013 305724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is
< 1332737018 372185 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scigen stuff
< 1332737040 116979 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1332737071 207597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, don't you believe in SCIENCE?
< 1332737085 243580 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd like to see that in math
< 1332737117 509533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't know anything about that stuff
< 1332737121 258596 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that cs stuff
< 1332737131 725610 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what the fuck is html
< 1332737149 66161 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot tasty mama lubricants
< 1332737164 544149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a breed of chicken
< 1332737169 910651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything on the internet is chicken
< 1332737261 318972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332737276 87772 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i believe in science a bit too much because i can't really believe anyone who's ever been near science would publish something that's untrue.
< 1332737311 463361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to see a Fair and Balanced™ math lecture that tells the other side of the story instead of the one with the liberal bias.
< 1332737318 309426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think so; I think it is still possible for someone to publish something wrong anyways
< 1332737324 904644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in the zzoence. the zzoentific method is 12% more efficacious than the scientific method
< 1332737351 626348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what?
< 1332737360 630569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether by a mistake, by a joke, or for a different reason)
< 1332737382 487750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yeah those positive numbers are far too overused
< 1332737389 841268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more negativity!
< 1332737396 81228 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liberal bias?
< 1332737404 594479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this one of those randomly generated sentences?
< 1332737413 426402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1332737419 624452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's american
< 1332737420 621567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: preferential treatment towards positive numbers is positivitist
< 1332737432 62466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*signist
< 1332737445 8913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What is that? I still don't know.
< 1332737463 830108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is what?
< 1332737486 326893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know the scientific method is 95% efficacious, so if it is 12% more efficacious then it would be more than 100%?
< 1332737494 242159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying...negative numbers have been kept down by the man for too long!
< 1332737504 430301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I am getting confused by something
< 1332737522 396683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: zzoence changed the rules! no things can be SUPER EFFECTIVE
< 1332737525 97846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now
< 1332737553 142742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear negative numbers were made by man
< 1332737579 855315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so are babies. are you ANTIBABIES?
< 1332737616 39124 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, babies suck tits.
< 1332737629 682601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1332737632 390987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're jealous
< 1332737637 391221 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any numbers have use for different purpose. There are no negative numbers, and also no fractions, in the system of natural numbers.
< 1332737647 814454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1332737658 61239 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you published any articles
< 1332737659 653375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other thing certainly you can make up other one too, if it is good for what you are making!
< 1332737677 264407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not any formal articles; I don't know how.
< 1332737692 651330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see there you go again with your naturalnormativity. What gives you the right to decide that some numbers are more natural than others? all numbers have equal numberness under God!
< 1332737725 967445 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno how it works if you're not associated with a university. hopefully the same way.
< 1332737742 316945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean you don't know how to write formal articles
< 1332737748 612269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Even if they are, you need some way to refer to them, and that is why they are called "natural numbers". (It doesn't make them more natural in the normal sense of the word)
< 1332737771 417849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need two meanings of "natural"
< 1332737774 218497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I mean I don't know how to write formal articles. But I am also not associated witih a university.
< 1332737803 178019 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But nearly all words in English language have many meanings, so you will not get away from that
< 1332737804 699423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was this discussion about theory versus mathematical theory on amazon which i'm referring to but i guess you had to be there)
< 1332737823 163291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you do then?
< 1332737853 141010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the language you use to refer to things matters. like when you talk about a random person's wife. what if the random person is female or gay? saying "natural" here just reinforces that naturalnormative bias.
< 1332737880 391987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do to what specifically?
< 1332737886 572769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hey wait, weren't we trying to _avoid_ liberal bias here...
< 1332737887 400479 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i mean with your life
< 1332737923 638457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am trying to avoid fundamentalist bias
< 1332737934 293726 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we usually name things with really silly names, they make research fun while it's not going anywhere, and when we actually come up with something cool, you don't notice them anymore.
< 1332737959 705441 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance we have this conjecture that all finitarily primular sets are varietic.
< 1332737967 145643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, yes, sometimes a random person's "wife" does not apply to anything; in case the random person is female, homosexual, or unmarried. Just like, your television remote control might not have a letter "X" button it doesn't mean that nothing has.
< 1332738004 964790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about the orchideal sets?
< 1332738012 849626 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something i just say we define ablodob as ... and then we just go with it
< 1332738018 459303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but when you refer to the x button on your input device, you are reinforcing the idea that ALL INPUT DEVICES SHOULD HAVE LETTER X's. and that INPUT DEVICES WITH NO X ARE ABNORMAL
< 1332738036 199658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with natural numbers. you're implying that the average real number is unnatural.
< 1332738073 406071 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i haven't learned those yet
< 1332738077 621442 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only my third year in math
< 1332738082 397578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332738097 65147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm afraid that may be a theorem
< 1332738138 769163 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In mathematics, even real numbers are not all the number systems in mathematics... and anyways I mean the mathematical meaning of "naural number" not the real meaning of "natural"
< 1332738157 498936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how can you say that nonnaturals are unnatural? are you part of the conservative conspiracy?
< 1332738167 151291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah damn you oerjan
< 1332738195 818704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably a racist too
< 1332738207 553421 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let me define these numbers that look like reals but they are racist.
< 1332738213 462762 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hate black people
< 1332738245 807975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the differential operator is racist
< 1332738249 804379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denormal floats are an abomination.
< 1332738250 374421 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call them really racist numbers.
< 1332738260 511453 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :SDA
< 1332738261 254315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(black people) just marginalizes them
< 1332738279 533467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in races.  i think all cars should stay below the speed limit.
< 1332738300 23141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a good thing you aren't designing parallel computer programs
< 1332738309 563658 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a racism theory in mathematics
< 1332738366 373559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a theorem I heard somewhere: Bitches be triflin'. The proof is trivial.
< 1332738388 497016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Feynman's Trivial Theorem?
< 1332738411 720899 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would write an article that mathematically proves that the white race is superior, but i think we're 100 years away from that being obviously a joke.
< 1332738449 118092 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the asians, since they have all that skill level asian memery.
< 1332738571 542626 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose if i wrote one about women, it would obviously be a joke
< 1332738583 297809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wrote one about god, it would become the most famous mathematical paper ever.
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< 1332738617 175731 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's been done, didn't that some guy that did boolean algebra in some visual way have a proof for every theorem and god?
< 1332738634 578309 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm adding my hopes and dreams into the mix.
< 1332738641 874301 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no.
< 1332738694 99977 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard this math joke, i just heard it like last week
< 1332738712 454172 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(writing it)
< 1332738785 777661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the third root of 2 irrational? because otherwise 2^(1/3) = m/n, so 2 = m^3/n^3, so n^3 + n^3 = m^3, which is a contradiction by wiles' theorem.
< 1332738813 2593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1332738830 183088 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that really funny
< 1332738862 60701 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's true
< 1332738926 836447 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that theorem doesn't look too hard
< 1332738937 864688 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try to prove it
< 1332738963 669587 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman's Trivial Theorem is:   It's trivial! It's trivial!
< 1332738991 800478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well feynman is a silly dude
< 1332739018 718080 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is a powerful drug, and you should be careful with it
< 1332739072 151058 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay gotta go to work bye byes
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< 1332744526 834524 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot norway
< 1332744526 995449 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: his birthday is in the same
< 1332744533 89872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cadmium
< 1332744533 250716 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let that binds the variables
< 1332746315 62781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiles' theorem? Don't you mean Fermat's theorem? Wiles just has proven Fermat's theorem (Fermat may have proven it too, but if so, he did not write it down).
< 1332746344 704121 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Fermat's conjecture.
< 1332746383 617156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture because it was unproven? but it was (according to Fermat, anyway)
< 1332746412 747241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, make that "wasn't proven" and the second sentence makes more sense
< 1332746436 223649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to me, the Goldback conjecture is proven.
< 1332746440 478902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/h/
< 1332746442 581304 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.

< 1332746461 373752 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this IRC input line is too narrow to contain the proof (it's just one line wide!).
< 1332746700 78578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat's Theorem is that $a^n+b^n=c^n$ with $a$, $b$, and $c$ positive integers is an infinite number of solutions if $n=2$ but no solutions if $n$ is an integer greater than 2. Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach" also mentioned $n^a+n^b=n^c$ which has the same properties just mentioned, but is easier to prove (no proof was given, but I can think of a proof easily)
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< 1332757518 13665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/dada.png oh NO the trend is DOWN.
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< 1332758871 566705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: ...out of time-outs!
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< 1332759499 341684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sad that the octocats on GitHub have no tangle buddies. :_(
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< 1332760050 8275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1332762340 805303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:51:26: <zzo38> As far as I know the scientific method is 95% efficacious, so if it is 12% more efficacious then it would be more than 100%?
< 1332762345 33394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does *that* number come from?
< 1332762372 136330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.12*0.95
< 1332762373 45966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.064
< 1332762411 777268 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-en
< 1332762419 434572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the 95% one.
< 1332762428 283637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure why I said "-en"
< 1332762440 793166 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was making sure elliott's set to English mode?
< 1332762680 434761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bonjour!
< 1332762696 376789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloha
< 1332762714 926853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Zeroconf.
< 1332762791 821316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, "Avahi" sounds like a greeting too. Not that it is one.
< 1332762930 818229 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alons y
< 1332763683 255225 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332763683 591730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332763685 878787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1332764219 24834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zing
< 1332764219 264111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332764273 691568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sing
< 1332764273 853121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332764394 808937 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo38 � Wiles' theorem? Don't you mean Fermat's theorem? Wiles just has proven Fermat's theorem (Fermat may have proven it too, but if so, he did not write it down)." yeah fermat didn't prove it
< 1332764398 733332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly
< 1332764420 402872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a book on Fermat's theore
< 1332764421 211507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1332764425 772843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't contain the proof
< 1332764431 86078 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read one as a kid
< 1332764433 32988 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly the same
< 1332764467 50293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one was published in '97
< 1332764530 427283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one too. It was by that Singh dude.
< 1332764536 982483 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same book
< 1332764537 144250 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i read it when i was 11 or something, and i don't think it was very new
< 1332764545 614812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you, oklopol?
< 1332764546 753231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dunno if it's the same
< 1332764552 51742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 23 :(
< 1332764555 208770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Was it mostly orangeish? 
< 1332764562 820109 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea
< 1332764569 144198 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember colors
< 1332764582 140604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a triangle on the cover? (Okay, I guess there might well be in any case.)
< 1332764591 588968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it, in fact, look like http://www.amazon.com/Fermats-Last-Theorem-Simon-Singh/dp/1841157910
< 1332764620 962075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and it was a finnish translation, so i think it was older than that.
< 1332764628 336097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1332764631 632995 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332764637 417630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that one as a present maybe a decade ago.
< 1332764644 998895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this one maybe last month?
< 1332764655 418737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it was probably Finnish too. But it looked the same.
< 1332764656 715951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elderly relative was clearing out all of his maths books
< 1332764689 109452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that there's a Finnish translation from 1998.
< 1332764721 18599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm sure there's more than one book.
< 1332764722 869627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general.
< 1332764737 642970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lukuhetki.fi/product.php?id=11242 that's the Finnish cover.
< 1332764741 541061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very similaar.
< 1332764766 360388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've moved the book title to the top, though.
< 1332764775 892462 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it looks vaguely familiar
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< 1332765818 439594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: asojd
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< 1332766777 583865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332766781 326268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IRC client is broken
< 1332766911 807747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, but less broken than several others
< 1332766925 209032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what particular problem did you notice?
< 1332766943 465500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess would be:
< 1332766944 21823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 (~ais523@147.188.254.137) has joined #esoteric
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< 1332766955 145850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't really care about that
< 1332766980 25650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially here; the 147.188 part is very easily guessable, and the other two parts are dynamic
< 1332767027 445560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the quit and reconnect
< 1332767079 793762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's not a real quit and reconnect, it's simulated by the server
< 1332767085 242769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the quit message
< 1332767091 791284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not one the client can send
< 1332767107 793434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'd say Quit: Changing host if I tried to simulate it)
< 1332767117 406799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1332767252 126271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even shown to the client.
< 1332767261 893407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everyone else.
< 1332767370 735371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a numeric "396 yournick your/cloak :is now your hidden host (set by services.)" as seen by the person doing it.
< 1332767385 614170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1332767426 500365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you just put your nickserv password as the server password you will get identified early enough so that it doesn't need to do the fake-quit.
< 1332767442 267508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true, I do put my nickserv password as the server password
< 1332767471 177230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the client sends it again to nickserv manually just to make sure, but I get an "already logged in" response
< 1332767524 738003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it should have the host set before joining any channels, I thought. But maybe there's enough of a delay for the autojoins to go through before the host-setting stuff comes back from nickserv.
< 1332767615 877095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickserv seems to take some time to respond (and the server seems to convert a server password into the equivalent of a PM to nickserv)
< 1332767627 844698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's not
< 1332767631 356866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik
< 1332767637 397276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i never have any problems
< 1332767639 807607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does personal mode +i mean? identified?
< 1332767645 710066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible, IIRC
< 1332767646 219326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invisible.
< 1332767647 118103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is your server password in the right format?
< 1332767648 479556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1332767649 870203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "pass :accountname"
< 1332767655 253314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just "pass" works too, though
< 1332767659 574220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so, and it does work to identify me
< 1332767671 424614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a :accountname so it works for ais523_ and scarf and callforjudgement and the rest)
< 1332767745 670084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never" is a strong word, mr. elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.3 has quit [Changing host] of 2012-03-06.
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< 1332767811 286423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GhostHand
< 1332767814 990574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332767820 82150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things were different then!!!
< 1332767835 825942 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332767914 355134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog Changing host
< 1332767934 739989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need the client to wait several seconds to actually be identified, I guess, to avoid the problem altogether
< 1332767941 825644 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you?
< 1332767946 884612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332767949 180950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm elliott
< 1332767951 441076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523
< 1332767954 419461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is a robot
< 1332767962 965561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a good summary
< 1332767973 439353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're surprisingly ais523 really
< 1332767978 118313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ais523 than any other person I've known
< 1332767980 869216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Ngevd
< 1332767984 995955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1332767990 713796 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from?
< 1332767994 238228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a few robots, though.
< 1332768007 446507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for example fizzie
< 1332768011 285418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned by fungot
< 1332768011 446731 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and, dab, words like pop-culture should use the binary level, then!, and cond switching of character memory can be achieved with the c preprocessor is run and line labels
< 1332768017 191116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: me? england.
< 1332768027 567315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not from Hexham or Helsinki, are you?
< 1332768063 643139 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Come from China
< 1332768076 371167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i'm pretty sure there's no hexhams or helsinkis in china
< 1332768100 912056 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very glad to meet you
< 1332768111 777895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1332768147 358 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be your friend
< 1332768162 913224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1332768175 556778 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i study CCNA
< 1332768178 794722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone wants to be elliott's friend
< 1332768183 481796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1332768227 905785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one exit man pages? I can never remember)
< 1332768234 587886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1332768239 78808 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you like china?
< 1332768240 685011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way you exit less
< 1332768248 995254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was easy
< 1332768249 421577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: china is the best
< 1332768271 617026 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 
< 1332768279 940250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1332768291 710196 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the environment is getting worse
< 1332768318 808567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: man pages are actually shown with less (with a thinly-disguised interface change to make you think it isn't less if you aren't concentrating, but nobody's really fooled)
< 1332768357 692840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I rarely if ever use less
< 1332768381 641712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat .lessfilter 
< 1332768382 845452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :highlight -A "$1" 2>/dev/null
< 1332768393 919175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip for everyone: put that in your .lessfilter (not the cat line, the other line), then chmod it +x
< 1332768404 536015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that breaks search
< 1332768407 284451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, set LESSOPTIONS to contain -R among your other options
< 1332768419 930225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, let me test
< 1332768445 566149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope!
< 1332768457 390257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like less ignores the color commands in /
< 1332768458 794286 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you study
< 1332768459 344212 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1332768465 648914 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1332768469 229906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages, that's what the channel is about
< 1332768489 466527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pline("%s%s and %s a %s in the %s!",
< 1332768539 585734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sounds like a reality TV series post-sanitization. "BLEEP BLEEP and BLEEP a BLEEP in the BLEEP!"
< 1332768555 23158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed
< 1332768559 795795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do they BLEEP those? Maybe they don't.)
< 1332768564 464497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s is a great way to imply something's been omitted
< 1332768572 389006 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,Do you like the Win32 Assembly?
< 1332768574 906728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the UK, typically they mute the sound and turn the camera to face at a wall
< 1332768581 719815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes you wonder what the point is entirely
< 1332768605 630469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, they cut to a camera that's already facing at a wall, doing that's faster)
< 1332768645 840837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: not exceptionally, no
< 1332768832 941660 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cI think that my English is not very good, but I really like Web and programming
< 1332768835 76821 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332769008 999623 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can speak chinese
< 1332769009 530498 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-42.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332769025 655742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody in here, I think
< 1332769050 284777 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was special
< 1332769112 189424 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db412dd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332769208 162219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who speaks quite fluent Chinese, but that doesn't really help; he's not here.
< 1332769253 527485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which?
< 1332769308 732620 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can slowly to speak English fluently 
< 1332769326 406750 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a lot of grammatical mistakes 
< 1332769329 537018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you mean "which"? 
< 1332769342 573739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's only one written Chinese language, but two unrelated methods of pronouncing it
< 1332769348 188179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's entirely possible with ideogram-based languages)
< 1332769351 169693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin and Cantonese
< 1332769368 946207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin speakers can know no Cantonese, and vice versa; it's actually much rarer to know both
< 1332769379 270814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were loads, and Mandarin and Cantonese were just the biggest?
< 1332769394 6365 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learn is IPV4 or IPV6
< 1332769404 695353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: possible
< 1332769426 320887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, right. I think Mandarin? At least the person he probably speaks most Chinese with is from Beijing.
< 1332769453 610631 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :w 8
< 1332769458 480331 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332769477 885883 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beijing?
< 1332769494 173116 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is very beautiful 
< 1332769519 439338 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I in suzhou 
< 1332769539 606381 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you hear that
< 1332769539 961266 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1332769575 550696 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of beautiful women
< 1332769578 91779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332769583 90577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what my friend said, too.
< 1332769597 442325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is true, then.
< 1332769648 134452 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332769654 494454 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it cannot picture
< 1332769688 131554 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not I can send some beautiful pictures for you to see
< 1332769740 120047 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db412dd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
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< 1332770247 881392 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have heard of QQ
< 1332770297 870759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard of it
< 1332770945 645378 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That we used to chat
< 1332771179 583713 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-233-25.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1332771626 564999 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-184.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1332771709 882505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good advice: don't try to learn how to use a library in one language by trying to adapt a tutorial for a completely different language that you don't know
< 1332771801 603225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1332771826 218953 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332771896 950846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an old-looking book on a bookshelf called "A BOOK ON C"
< 1332771905 263184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it could teach me how to program in C?
< 1332771908 871590 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott.
< 1332771938 143649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that is a book about C, apparently.
< 1332771949 849210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you really want to learn C, you should probably pick up K&R
< 1332772224 357934 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel assembly
< 1332772489 963029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you sure the book is not about grand adventure on the high seas, with a punny name? 
< 1332772508 540605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1332772512 154859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked at it
< 1332772519 81737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean in it
< 1332773102 630350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, elly spoke.
< 1332773107 372802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elly: You have to change your name.
< 1332773203 137910 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it now
< 1332773213 762113 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com PART #esoteric :"["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]"
< 1332773229 261413 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:46
< 1332773519 997176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52
< 1332773933 132319 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:58
< 1332773951 243438 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS THRU TIME
< 1332773951 483958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time machine!
< 1332773953 710301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working!
< 1332774155 709810 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1332774473 215970 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1332774480 532301 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time to sleep
< 1332774487 930604 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1332774493 242649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1332774515 445611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Conway's game of life by any computationally different were it on a hyperbolic plane?
< 1332774520 326197 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you next time
< 1332774551 275536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332774557 50094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight GhostHand
< 1332774569 268217 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my English right
< 1332774577 351323 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1332774607 396556 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pleased do meet you
< 1332774624 821654 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~
< 1332774729 389275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1332774729 642242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
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< 1332775294 617142 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1332775830 726622 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't sleep
< 1332776050 931841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GhostHand 
< 1332776051 205399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1332776054 332095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332776311 795375 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's already been welcomed.
< 1332776420 4972 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who?
< 1332776667 261785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You
< 1332776717 79410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Horton hears a Who.
< 1332776813 314983 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friends and I on the analysis of the code
< 1332777019 867826 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1332777107 254193 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ax,0         
< 1332777108 30464 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call far ptr s    
< 1332777108 192354 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc ax 
< 1332777108 192554 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:pop ax          
< 1332777108 192676 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax,ax         
< 1332777108 192788 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop bx           
< 1332777111 586229 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax,bx    
< 1332777152 725957 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is the value of the AX
< 1332777179 805809 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s : pop ax
< 1332777334 442060 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who used "ollydbg"	
< 1332777341 127864 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::?
< 1332777347 392417 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
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< 1332777817 81586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*(offset s)+(segment s) or some such thing? It doesn't seem terribly useful.
< 1332777896 998086 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizze..aw you're such a dizzy..dizzy head *sing
< 1332777994 931233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little depressing that my most well-received program ever seems to be the one that is written in a programming language for children and creates a maze.
< 1332778076 62353 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programing language for children? can i have a look at its code?
< 1332778077 480023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dinner-away.)
< 1332778299 355574 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be nice to have a programing language that one could play like music? like in loom you know? is there sth like that? if not we should create one..isn't it a good idea?
< 1332778321 638095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fugue?
< 1332778407 604506 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is one..ok
< 1332778456 769009 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1332778508 273150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :velato also
< 1332778518 310253 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles midi files :))
< 1332778918 429489 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world sounds nice in velato
< 1332778976 762148 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really jazzy..nice work rottytooth
< 1332778981 876758 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tribute!
< 1332778982 142537 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who USES "LINUX" system
< 1332779063 655373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use linux
< 1332779072 766774 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redhat?
< 1332779117 895732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, arch
< 1332779124 127286 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My time machine worked! It's 2002! People use RedHat!
< 1332779140 920959 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, it's not MY time machine, I borrowed it from Mr. Peabody
< 1332779142 712130 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still!
< 1332779143 405327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, old news.
< 1332779152 33929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been 2002 for like 3 months now.
< 1332779184 523120 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to install a "Redhat"	
< 1332779192 253018 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332779215 708405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redhat costs a lot of money these days. (Also it's not very good.)
< 1332779227 387514 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used windows xp,now
< 1332779468 30560 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Fedora, it's sorta like Red Hat
< 1332779485 136816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recommend anybody try Fedora.
< 1332779501 634450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try Fedora, it's sorta like Red Hat
< 1332779679 287102 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian!
< 1332779758 870165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian!
< 1332779971 65754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Shouldn't you, I don't know, use some sort of a hat-inspired distribution, anyway? 
< 1332779992 168612 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not if it's garbage.
< 1332780010 490559 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the intersection of "distributions with names inspired by hats" and "garbage" is the entire first set, no.
< 1332780050 303476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, there's Tinfoil Hat Linux.
< 1332780067 85296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: shouldnt you be forking a good distribution with the only change being that it is now a hat name?
< 1332780137 202007 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Fezian Linux.
< 1332780188 48781 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooh Stallman talk at Purdue on Thursday.
< 1332780190 688367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be fun.
< 1332780271 543072 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be fun to troll him by e.g. speaking of Linux when talking about GNU.
< 1332780296 408003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: As I understand it, Stallman just gives the same talk over and over.
< 1332780307 789696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless you want to meet a walking cassette player...
< 1332780322 947059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332780369 276897 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "I've been doing a comparitive study of Visual Studio and the Linux GCC compiler, and <blah blah blah>"
< 1332780372 873018 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch is brain explode.
< 1332780375 802510 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
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< 1332780429 172545 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1332780478 29812 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332780577 405597 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :addr_sub, addr_min, dest_npos, dest_pos = [(memory[(inst + offset) % GENOME_LENGTH]) % GENOME_LENGTH for offset in [0,1,2,3]]
< 1332780580 595317 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like that.
< 1332780609 349180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: *compartive
< 1332780643 904549 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I'm reasonably sure I've written a working modified Subleq interpreter.
< 1332781213 589070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are so last year.
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< 1332782208 886233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely amusing: the history (currently top of proggit) of /usr/bin, etc., which explains how /usr got its name
< 1332782221 369974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one of the most ridiculous historical reasons ever
< 1332782244 394130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as good as the last time it was on progit
< 1332782245 652496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proggit
< 1332782256 380825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, clearly it stands for Unix System Resources
< 1332782650 398829 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm still waiting for /opt/local to show up..."
< 1332782673 769751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local does make sense, to some extent
< 1332782685 15333 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess whoever wrote that either was being sarcastic or has not seen the sorrow that is OS X?
< 1332782696 437254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were testing the build process of a package that normally aims for /opt, then I'd aim for /opt/local
< 1332782705 417594 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329e1d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332782725 831072 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What systems have /opt, anyway?
< 1332782756 475188 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of them, but in virtually no case is /opt provided by the distro.
< 1332782761 380355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: most Unices
< 1332782767 346425 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least Linux-wise, some of the Unices have an /opt by default)
< 1332782767 507647 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7da0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332782774 249131 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1332782785 319795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a few packages in there, mostly (entirely?) games
< 1332782793 218691 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have some stuff in my /opt.
< 1332782805 202803 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I compile code myself instead of using a distro package I prefix it into /opt.
< 1332782818 3249 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/opt/<pkg>, that is, not just /opt)
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< 1332783607 896206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: /opt is provided by default
< 1332783609 623318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not things in it.
< 1332783620 623121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe this is true of Debian and Arch.)
< 1332783633 590611 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it's true of Debian, but it's possible and even likely that I'm misremembering *shrugs*
< 1332783637 735146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1332783640 420088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain.
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< 1332783878 744135 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION generates a random program and executes it.

< 1332784142 740949 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This interpreter doesn't actually have output.  It just prints the address of the instruction it's executing.
< 1332784281 750095 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa.  It entered a loop and then executed it.
< 1332784285 792462 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1332784288 625730 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entered and then exited.
< 1332784293 880045 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE CREATED INTELLIGENCE
< 1332784443 786601 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop -> intelligence.
< 1332784446 137822 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett logic.
< 1332784460 352485 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, all finite state machines loop.
< 1332784472 497949 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it enters a loop and then exits it?  That's a sure sign of intelligence, right there.
< 1332784482 738335 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> Bah, all finite state machines loop. // Um ... no?
< 1332784494 467326 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, right.  All FSMs loop or halt.
< 1332784517 673835 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this interpreter interprets FSMs that do not halt.
< 1332784849 234394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Halting is just a really tight loop, man.
< 1332784871 451996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on some embedded systems, it's /literally/ that
< 1332784880 97877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use an output pin to let them shut off their own power supply
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< 1332785284 464165 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my wristwatch has a halting condition.
< 1332785401 768188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need one?
< 1332785453 117622 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm... not really, I guess.
< 1332785817 836490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps its programming doesn't, but the device itself does.
< 1332786238 83530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when did esr re-take-over C-INTERCAL?
< 1332786249 559727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why don't you have an article on the wiki?
< 1332786348 632156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we're both in charge, and I can't remember
< 1332786354 607995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which wiki?
< 1332786360 955051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which article?)
< 1332786394 728454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really believe that, and hmph, and Esolang, and [[Alex Smith]] or something of the sort
< 1332786496 47812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P beta-converts to Q does Q beta-convert to P?
< 1332786569 574081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332786580 431721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean beta-reduce
< 1332786587 227926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x -> x) (\y -> y) beta-reduces to (\y -> y)
< 1332786590 905846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\y -> y) doesn't beta-reduce to anything
< 1332786613 322443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine an expression that does a lot of complicated evaluation and then becomes the trivial infinite loop (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x)
< 1332786620 189135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, that infinite loop doesn't evolve into the original expression :)
< 1332786629 734375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332786634 239617 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here the definition is
< 1332786666 71356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iff we can change P to Q by a finite sequence of beta-reductions or reversed beta-reductions, we say P beta-converts to Q, or P is beta-equal to Q"
< 1332786699 40972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a reversed beta-reduction is called a beta-expansion.
< 1332786704 171736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, that's still wrong.
< 1332786707 409154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1332786709 336273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reversed".
< 1332786714 707354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess so, then.
< 1332786732 308964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Something being called "equality" is a good hint it's symmetric. :p)
< 1332786759 614056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I mean, the proof is fairly obvious.
< 1332786770 718842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reverse all the beta-(reductions|expansions) into beta-(expansions|reductions).
< 1332786772 905933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to show, that F(YF) beta converts to YF
< 1332786788 510955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can easyl show, thatt YF beta converts to F(YF)
< 1332786794 766381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t +i
< 1332786822 782637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It shouldn't be that hard to just go the other way, though.
< 1332786827 580920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. start at F(YF) and beta-expand backwards.
< 1332786838 478560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the other way around is more intuitive, certainly.
< 1332786840 244546 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expanding seems more difficult than ;)
< 1332786913 634674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternate questions
< 1332786937 351176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P alpha-converts to Q, does P beta-convert to Q?
< 1332787013 729311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should, if i interpret the definition correctly.
< 1332787156 734797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think so.
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< 1332788055 172098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, I think we should restructure esolang's categorisation slightly
< 1332788075 774290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this "good" or "oh dear"?
< 1332788099 557376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure; which would you prefer?
< 1332788102 103560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather depends on what you want to change
< 1332788120 942966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(verb form of "esolang")ing = esoverbing?
< 1332788143 166528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're late to the party of reading that message
< 1332788145 557738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great party
< 1332788165 743583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one told me about that party!
< 1332788199 163181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in the topic!
< 1332788206 392336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was?
< 1332788239 232878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs.org moving servers was
< 1332788250 314631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comment was linked at the top of every page for over a week
< 1332788320 421060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did notice the moving servers part, but I think I started ignoring the whole thing just before it went "live"
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< 1332788525 330320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, my contention is that our notion of "joke languages" is a complete mess. it contains everything from languages that are literally just jokes, with no actual details (i.e. they don't even exist) -- think the lesser-known programming languages -- to languages that are "specified", but are obviously absurd and not real languages (QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language), to real languages that happen to be particularly "funny" (like HQ9+ and De
< 1332788525 492027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adfish), to fully-fledged esoteric programming languages that just happen to be ciphers of brainfuck (Ook!). This causes problems because the latter two kinds want further categorisation: they deserve to be categorised by implementation status, what level they're at, the paradigm, computational class, and so on. But we generally consider all these categories to imply [[Category:Languages]], which we explicitly do not include on joke language arti
< 1332788525 853572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cles.
< 1332788541 622044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, anyway, the classification of the latter two as "jokes" is really pretty subjective; do Ook! and HQ9+ really not belong on the language list?
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< 1332788565 380946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the borderline is drawn at "intentionally unusable for programming"
< 1332788571 861799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion is that we remove all real languages from the joke language list and category, and recategorise them as real languages, restricting the definition of "joke language" to languages that are actually *just* jokes.
< 1332788576 103557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which puts HQ9+ on the joke side, and Ook! on the non-joke side
< 1332788593 122645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The borderline isn't drawn there.
< 1332788597 163976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ook! is on the joke language list.
< 1332788603 920578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intentionally unusable for programming" - isn't that very close to applying for every esolang?
< 1332788607 396846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think we could definitely do with an overhaul
< 1332788617 418916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, we mean unusable in the esolangs sense
< 1332788621 917022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and [[HQ9+]] is in both [[Category:Joke languages]] and [[Category:Languages]].
< 1332788627 369905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also on [[Language list]].
< 1332788630 865872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as [[Joke language list]].
< 1332788643 875312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as in, usability 0, as opposed to usability non-0
< 1332788686 454671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If jokeyness is just an attribute of languages, then we don't want a list, just [[Category:Jokes]]. But the joke language list was started for languages that *aren't* languages; LITHP isn't a language, IRP isn't a language, Esme isn't a language, QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language isn't a language.
< 1332788735 936853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A further judgement call: TURKEY BOMB isn't a language. Yes, you can give it semantics, but the keyword is "giving"; it involves coming up with new things decidedly not in the original text, and is hence creating your own language inspired by the document.
< 1332788756 653883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, by "was started", I mean "should be for".
< 1332788760 436276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be"
< 1332788775 320208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original joke languages were some brainfuck ciphers plus HQ9+ and friends: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Joke_language_list&oldid=227
< 1332788797 775583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can see an argument that HQ9+ is exclusively a joke languaeg.
< 1332788798 917596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language
< 1332788802 947003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about SLOBOL and DOGO? they're special cases, in some sense
< 1332788816 440062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I don't think a categorisation that files HQ9+ as a joke language is useful.
< 1332788825 770232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not at all clear what it means.
< 1332788832 464305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some people seem to be using "joke" to mean "uninteresting"
< 1332788847 830746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ is definitely an interesting and theoretically important language, and should probably be featured at some point
< 1332788864 731445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SLOBOL and DOGO are joke languages; they're also badly-specified languages with the same name as the joke languages, made by other people inspired by the joke languages.
< 1332788887 205984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was wondering if you'd call them separate languages
< 1332788887 715435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original research(tm) should be separated out into its own section of each page; it's just confusing as it is.
< 1332788894 861736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They don't need a new page, though.)
< 1332788900 33946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I'm inclined to think that the lesser-known languages aren't esolangs at all
< 1332788905 911874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't.
< 1332788908 88926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're joke languages.
< 1332788912 649138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they aren't either
< 1332788915 143930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just names
< 1332788920 199955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's false.
< 1332788925 97326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're names plus humorous descriptions.
< 1332788929 23308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, OK
< 1332788935 285491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COCAINE is a joke language created by John Unger Zussman, and is one of the lesser known programming languages. It was described in the Info World article as follows:
< 1332788935 484312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but infinitely faster) language, COCAINE."
< 1332788961 524359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like [[Esme]] is a joke (except in another sense altogether).
< 1332789018 846308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Really, I think the categorisation scheme people might want to lump Deadfish and HQ9+ and Ook! together is [[Category:Dumb]].
< 1332789025 468034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we want [[Category:Dumb]].
< 1332789039 357010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd have to add that to almost every article on the wiki.
< 1332789042 548019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'd argue that we have [[Category:Unusable for programming]] laready
< 1332789044 132170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already
< 1332789052 36800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we have a joke cat, it probably shouldn't mean the same thing
< 1332789053 698345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's a better criterion.
< 1332789062 233485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a computational class cat, somewhere below finite-state)
< 1332789073 627283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll take it to the categorisation page later today.
< 1332789120 238408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of esolangs on the wikis are BF derivatives?
< 1332789123 223915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting BF itself)
< 1332789124 209636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, to check we're on the same page: of the things listed at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Joke_language_list, a list using a better definition would only include some entries from the general list, and the lesser-known programming languages list
< 1332789130 881919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1332789166 57376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that HQ9+ is a bit borderline, BTW; it's a joke that accidentally became a language instead
< 1332789177 898536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332789234 936208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your opinion (in terms of categorisation) on Schrodilang, Compute, Text, Huby, and Feather?
< 1332789243 724056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should be a good test to probe most of the boundaries
< 1332789285 731739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and what about this for a borderline: "intentionally underspecified"
< 1332789321 4035 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“+: Increment the accumulator”
< 1332789323 59873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Specification intentionally insufficient for implementation"
< 1332789323 220863 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughed out loud

< 1332789332 443594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: look at HQ9++ next :)
< 1332789350 42527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Schrodilang: joke language (alas, this means we'll have to bend the category rules to allow the implemented+unimplemented joke to stay)
< 1332789360 585442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know too much OO to get the joke in HQ9++
< 1332789368 794951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe
< 1332789381 665367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not as good as the original, although it's still good
< 1332789390 922895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Compute: joke language (the "implementation" does not actually implement the language, just something observationally equivalent -- I refuse to be dragged into an argument over this, so I'm declaring it by fiat ;))
< 1332789461 256697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm inclined to agree
< 1332789470 516026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DOGO -- ugh, maybe we do need two articles; DOGO-from-the-article is a joke language, DOGO-inspired-by-the-article is a full language (albeit a fairly boring one)
< 1332789478 478022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1332789479 999864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say dogo
< 1332789482 993113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, onwards to Text
< 1332789484 690077 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rather than talking this all out here, you should make a talk: page that shows a suggested categorization. I'm losing track of all the options.
< 1332789524 63840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm talking about it with the other adult^Wadministrator in the room before taking it to [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] like I said :P
< 1332789543 369925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Text -- mmh... let me defer this one until I've done the others
< 1332789551 460489 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the other reason to make it a talk page: Because I don't actually pay attention ;)
< 1332789567 475716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Feather -- not a joke language, just a joke article about a non-joke language
< 1332789609 794186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, suppose I claim a language exists, I just haven't specified it yet
< 1332789613 425912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has there been no wiki changes since last night, or has RecentChanges just stopped working?
< 1332789616 690643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: former
< 1332789617 51475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha, I thought of a way to decide for Text
< 1332789627 744207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then refuse to elaborate when people request details
< 1332789628 164663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the article specifies a language, but that language /isn't the joke/
< 1332789636 881591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps
< 1332789644 474959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Print the program's text."
< 1332789647 580321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not funny
< 1332789648 497806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking along the lines that the language is very computationally weak
< 1332789658 555824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, say HQ9+
< 1332789666 336282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I wasn't under the impression that a joke language had anything to do with being funny
< 1332789674 707008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, funniness is irrelevant
< 1332789675 842081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "jokey"
< 1332789689 174930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Text, the language it specifies isn't the joke, it's incidental to the joke, so it's a joke language
< 1332789704 915333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in HQ9+, there is no joke other than the language itself; it's a full language
< 1332789706 469993 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've realized what topological dynamical systems have to do with recurrent sequences.
< 1332789713 647232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this means that the less jokey the language itself is, the more of a joke language it is...)
< 1332789728 444419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sort of thing does not surprise me
< 1332789744 641752 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have to read oerjan's PhD thingy.
< 1332789746 568362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, here's another criterion: if you don't want me to remove it from the language list, it's not a joke language
< 1332789756 147942 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what category does that leave for languages which ARE the joke?
< 1332789761 640306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to remove HQ9+ from the language list? no, so it's not a joke language
< 1332789769 487586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language? yes, so it's a joke language
< 1332789776 104889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm fine for the two to be exclusive
< 1332789784 21187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, is IRP a joke language?
< 1332789791 403847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to say no
< 1332789797 782488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that one's easy
< 1332789801 424391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my current plan is to compile a bunch of examples, then use them to work out the rule)
< 1332789803 263384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't actually specify a language
< 1332789812 683523 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Polite English ;)
< 1332789820 418646 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Polite English command form
< 1332789829 195927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RocketJSquirrel> elliott: So what category does that leave for languages which ARE the joke?
< 1332789834 989068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so joke languages that aren't languages will move to Category:Joke?
< 1332789846 210649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What I said doesn't really make sense out of context... my point is that you don't _need_ a category for HQ9+ or Deadfish
< 1332789857 857880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The former is funny, the latter is stupid; neither is a good objective categorisation
< 1332789874 387752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: They're still languages, just languages unusable for programming, which we already have a category for
< 1332789874 549202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Deadfish is stupid
< 1332789880 874712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just My First Unfinished Esolang
< 1332789881 985129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I said it was subjective :)
< 1332789885 618760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, an esolang for small children
< 1332789893 737342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's stupid in a very literal sense
< 1332789901 788035 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang for small children :)
< 1332789902 794966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the language itself is stupid, not the act of creating it
< 1332789939 71576 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But isn't there a distinction between languages intentionally unusable for programming due to their being a joke, and languages unusable for programming either due to being unintentionally restricted or intentionally obtuse?
< 1332789951 256771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we all agree, at least, that brainfuck derivatives don't count as joke languages?
< 1332789953 522982 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332789962 293144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *necessarily
< 1332789970 902049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's possible to have a BF derivative that's also a joke language
< 1332789973 612819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that was a blanket statement
< 1332789974 59407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BF without ]
< 1332789983 278458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just a language you created as a joke
< 1332790000 814266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it /wasn't/ based on BF it'd fit all the criteria to be a joke language
< 1332790008 820442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you consider Minimum a joke language, right?
< 1332790016 641025 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329e1d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332790019 966626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate, I'm tempted to just delete the joke language list and purge the joke languages category
< 1332790023 945772 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'm comfortable with a world where "joke language" and "language created as a joke" don't mean the same thing >_>
< 1332790031 704199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: INTERCAL was created as a joke
< 1332790035 70029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, clearly, there are no two members of the wiki who agree what it means
< 1332790038 911649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no esolanger considers it a joke language
< 1332790044 818174 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff.
< 1332790051 599605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: that makes like 80% of esolangs joke languages
< 1332790056 458512 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff.
< 1332790078 822482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make joke language and language two names for the same category?
< 1332790079 176196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I was wrong that no page on esolang has only one revision
< 1332790081 287317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Hashes]] does
< 1332790095 599177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I imagine one-revision pages simply aren't shown in the list
< 1332790097 617952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add one for non-eso languages, if we have any of those
< 1332790100 288768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, weird
< 1332790114 40442 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hagb4rd>is AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! a 'complete'/'full'/'real' language? or what would be a good definition of that?
< 1332790116 252205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you want to put COCAINE on the regular language list?
< 1332790118 602890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were bound to be loads, unless we had a drive-by categoriser or something
< 1332790131 642312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: yes, AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! is just an esoteric language
< 1332790135 711134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a syntactic gimmick
< 1332790160 294322 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just esoteric you say
< 1332790160 627769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm pretty sure we're all agreed that syntactic gimmicks don't by themselves make a language a joke language, no matter how silly or stupid they are, right?
< 1332790179 928050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332790190 64316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, so everyone must agree
< 1332790190 841546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure if that's a language... just a joke maybe?
< 1332790198 785166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's the point!
< 1332790210 639624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: who here thinks it's possible for a language to simultaneously be a joke language, and Turing-complete?
< 1332790219 44978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, ok, it seems like most people actually want a list of languages created as jokes
< 1332790219 665185 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION raises hand

< 1332790223 778661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including HQ9+ and Ook!
< 1332790225 75804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1332790231 357749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're now the universal arbitrators of humour
< 1332790234 367936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: can you give an example?
< 1332790242 577558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arbiters
< 1332790243 334190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm torn on that issue, atm
< 1332790243 495957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1332790248 43400 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SNOBOL as defined, or ShaFuck.
< 1332790250 603699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i say no
< 1332790251 969282 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1332790253 101036 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SLOBOL
< 1332790261 91323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'd say SLOBOL as defined is non-joke
< 1332790276 9753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1332790280 780828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually /easier/ to implement and run than TwoDucks, which isn't a joke either
< 1332790282 652026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, i am not convinced shafuck is tc
< 1332790285 307634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or slobol
< 1332790291 503571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither am I
< 1332790292 816729 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would be easier to define what makes a language 'complete' than what makes it 'funny'
< 1332790314 116325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess slobol is more likely
< 1332790316 938174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's per-line, afaict
< 1332790328 418508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't understand its spec at all
< 1332790353 430816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Let's put it this way: You say ShaFuck is a joke language because you created it as a laugh.
< 1332790374 383848 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right right, and the problem is that I created ORK as a laugh.
< 1332790375 880442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That's what 90% of people who put languages on the wiki think about their languages: they created them as a laugh.
< 1332790380 735351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't call it a joke language.
< 1332790386 757031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1332790390 526677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've created /any/ esolangs as jokes
< 1332790393 753371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worrying
< 1332790405 881619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, brainfuck (lowercase b), I guess, but that isn't on the wiki yet
< 1332790406 43205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was all about to use Checkout as an example of where that doesn't apply

< 1332790411 636370 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs he's made have all been earnest attempts at the world's next Java.
< 1332790423 782422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could turn on the MW thing that makes page titles fully case-sensitive :)
< 1332790439 628546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant Brainfuck (uppercase b)
< 1332790441 388187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got them muddled
< 1332790449 902163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same appiles
< 1332790451 894720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applies
< 1332790509 597040 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say since the the source of all humour might be the experience of harm
< 1332790562 457508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1332790580 657710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: reminds me of a cartoon I saw in the newspaper a while back, where a musician was complaining to his parents that they didn't bring him up in a dysfunctional environment, so he had nothing to write about
< 1332790598 254564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's only 70 non-redirect mainspace pages with only one revision
< 1332790612 467457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right
< 1332790651 463780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332790675 978979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332790676 767368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332790768 609054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my next 100 reddit comments have to be one-liners to make up for that gigantic one
< 1332790928 164704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we've just been talking about how the joke language classification is a huge mess, btw
< 1332790938 128259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1332791034 898706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Anyway, I'm sure there's more than one book. <-- FILTHY HERETIC!
< 1332791050 535788 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332791264 549760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> it's "pass :accountname"
< 1332791295 144163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i don't do that, but i guess it doesn't matter if you always connect with one of the nicks in the account?
< 1332791300 811624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332791826 282549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332791839 101756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION without having read the mess yet, on the spot thinks of the following classification scheme for joke languages: Cyphers, Cloud Cuckoolanders, Crap and Can't Compute

< 1332791882 226232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly there might be some overlap.
< 1332791888 563882 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-046-005-248-025.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332791894 632884 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-046-005-248-025.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Changing host
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< 1332791903 711719 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332791919 556087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What would they *burn* if there were just the one Good Book? 
< 1332791927 280180 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332791930 885877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, Esme would belong to all but the first category.
< 1332791932 203614 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in all a classification in joke and non-joke languages is not a good idea
< 1332791947 761931 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry elliott
< 1332791953 909555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm that's a point.
< 1332792060 850274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could make a table with checkmarks for each category, in some relevant order
< 1332792124 131074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you know Esme is sub-TC? it's too underspecified to calculate a computational class for it
< 1332792152 38601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that would make my reordering crusade much more arduous...
< 1332792160 678451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan without having read the mess yet, on the spot thinks of the following classification scheme for joke languages: Cyphers, Cloud Cuckoolanders, Crap and Can't Compute
< 1332792167 639316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right.  maybe cloud cuckoolanger should imply can't compute
< 1332792170 306079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem isn't the categorisation _beyond_ what we have.
< 1332792177 555236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332792187 211352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is what we call joke language vs. not a joke language to start with
< 1332792191 992814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oerjan's categorisation can be seen as a definition in its own right
< 1332792207 687771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (for instance, HQ9+ is currently on both the language and joke language lists. and in both categories.)
< 1332792234 516533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is presumably only due to being famous...
< 1332792238 554004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1332792261 740883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if HQ9+ weren't famous, you wouldn't have any compunction removing it from languages, i think.
< 1332792262 296329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas Ook! is not on the language list (!), but is on the joke language list, and is not in [[Category:Languages]] but /is/ in several categories we conventionally reserve for non-joke languages only.)
< 1332792277 654231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i would. but it's pointless repeating the discussion we just had before you get to it, anyway.
< 1332792289 154288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just remove joke language and put all languages in language?
< 1332792300 780970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote that Ook! is historically important, but doesn't fit the modern definition of a joke language
< 1332792309 213982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus should be recategorised as a "dwarf joke language2
< 1332792309 375138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you proposed that earlier and got an answer...
< 1332792311 498236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2/"/
< 1332792313 616472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with Ceres
< 1332792317 85080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did?
< 1332792317 999721 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-157.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332792327 800035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/QWERTY_Keyboard_Dot_Language you think this belongs in [[Category:Languages]]?
< 1332792329 732017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's becaus Ook! is a cipher (looking at wikipedia, i think y is wrong there), which means it can be a joke despite fulfilling all other requirements
< 1332792366 944669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "the categorisation we have for joke languages is correct. evidence: the categorisation we have for joke languages"
< 1332792376 878746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, like i said, pointless to reiterate
< 1332792391 245404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Mugh_brains or this
< 1332792429 557763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, put all languages in language, anything in joke language but not a language loses a category (for now anyway)
< 1332792476 960227 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-131-68.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332792504 331786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ... the whole point is that we don't have a well-defined criterion for what is a "language"
< 1332792507 537794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this context.
< 1332792522 687235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought the problem was the joke classification
< 1332792533 536565 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, remove both categories if you don't know what they mean
< 1332792636 317586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, oerjan didn't write [[CHIQRSX9+]]
< 1332792927 755438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ook! belongs in [[Category:Languages]] and in [[Category:Joke languages]], but QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language belongs in only [[Category:Joke languages]], and same with Mugh brains.
< 1332792950 875814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is just my opinion and is not necessarily best way if you have a better idea.
< 1332793005 621966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about ShaFuck?
< 1332793088 692504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, but at least it belongs in some category which mentions relation to brainfuck
< 1332793192 907901 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332793249 113014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esme, ###, IRP, NOT A PROGRAM, TURKEY BOMB, and lesser known programming languages, belongs in Joke languages only, in my opinion (at least for now).
< 1332793319 377821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Magritte, Compute, Babbage, Parrot, and Unnecessary.
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< 1332793821 274440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> heh, oerjan didn't write [[CHIQRSX9+]] <-- no, it was there when i joined the wiki, i think, which did however give me an excuse to make [[Ørjan Johansen]] :P
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< 1332794045 341789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332794068 215951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332794071 179983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't yet indulged in [[Elliott Hird]]. mostly because i can't decide whether i want it to be called that or [[ehird]]
< 1332794074 764400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening
< 1332794089 306575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compromise on [[elliott]]?
< 1332794092 656698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet indulged in [[Nathan van Doorn]] because I feel unworthy
< 1332794104 275072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that would be rather unfair to other potential elliotts :P
< 1332794104 942059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the rn as an m
< 1332794114 429251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that happens often
< 1332794122 313862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being mononymous would be cool though
< 1332794122 475087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you dislike most other elliotts?
< 1332794127 762227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Conal!
< 1332794140 259546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't sure if you disliked him
< 1332794145 322650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to find a font which makes rn indistinguishable from m, and use it for that page
< 1332794145 880135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably no, based on that?
< 1332794151 328552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said most, rather than all, anyway
< 1332794157 300336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got A Book on C down from the bookshelf
< 1332794159 587041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: overkerning is sometimes called "keming"
< 1332794164 331059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about the programming language
< 1332794168 365781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know
< 1332794193 687401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rn is clearly distinguishable from m in this font, but it still looks like an m
< 1332794197 379226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a different sort of m
< 1332794204 622567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm would it be possible to use CSS to force rn to look like m?
< 1332794213 624160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without changing the font itself)
< 1332794229 924204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it
< 1332794237 300634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use CSS to hide it and replace it with an m, I guess
< 1332794242 922152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd need you to tag the rn
< 1332794255 77162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it needs some tag
< 1332794258 737596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't be able to highlight the r and n separately
< 1332794290 886017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This book was published 1984
< 1332794309 2994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it still work?
< 1332794347 363504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it should work doubleplusgood
< 1332794351 89279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> ais523: hm would it be possible to use CSS to force rn to look like m?
< 1332794354 79135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, with letter spacing
< 1332794378 667662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of programming language is Pascal?
< 1332794395 95558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imperative, structured, not object oriented without extensions
< 1332794395 256739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad
< 1332794418 581392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mentioned to contrast with C
< 1332794420 903706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very modular either
< 1332794427 716953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thought occurs.
< 1332794439 284333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Windows at the moment, and lack a C compiler
< 1332794452 257997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i really wouldn't read that book.
< 1332794458 13291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again, without extensions.  turbo pascal was popular at one time and included a lot of needed extras)
< 1332794458 261155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal was invented by a member of the Algol 68 committee who didn't like the direction Algol 68 would take
< 1332794462 299367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was taking
< 1332794467 388904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most C books are of appallingly low quality and will set you on the road to misconceptions and hellishness.
< 1332794492 941238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall write the first program written
< 1332794496 587217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :algol 68 has second system syndrome, iiuc, so Pascal tried to simplify the original Algog even further instead
< 1332794501 323682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Algol
< 1332794597 911272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh and Pascal also follows Wirth's afaik general policy of being very simply parseable with readable keywords
< 1332794629 476681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the worst citation in all of Wikipedia.

< 1332794662 523982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pascal is LL(1), i suspect)
< 1332794667 953565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can anyone reccomend a C compiler for Windows?
< 1332794681 830446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingw
< 1332794686 839136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I use GNU C compiler with MinGW
< 1332794696 776993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i should stop giving advice to people who ignore advice
< 1332794738 916671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people call pascal bad but i cannot help having a bit of a weak spot for it, as the first structured language i learned
< 1332794741 438603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Borland C++ 4!
< 1332794751 453951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: recommendation ceased being valid about 10 years ago)
< 1332794761 112410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY CHOICES
< 1332794762 342351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, more like 20)
< 1332794770 183183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages have "arithmetic if"?
< 1332794830 525764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if there aren't enough, you can invent some to redress the balance
< 1332794837 378022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, if there are too many, you can invent some that don't have it
< 1332794839 180599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's that?
< 1332794909 579691 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No I mean which ones not if there is too much or not enough.
< 1332794952 490125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where the condition is always two inputs and then you compare, the jump target or result or whatever is depend on less, equal, greater.
< 1332794965 530614 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/2205391
< 1332794995 397276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  i'm not sure i know of any, although computed goto might be used...
< 1332795012 320652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fortran (i think) and some basics)
< 1332795026 682805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_IF
< 1332795056 14075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sort-of simulate it in Perl, by using <=> to index a hash tbable
< 1332795060 754465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*table
< 1332795085 57430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fortran has arithmetic if
< 1332795105 592144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Fortran does, that article describes it. I just wanted to know if anything else would have.
< 1332795141 54394 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other one I know is TeXnicard which also uses arithmetic if.
< 1332795200 479668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!compare 0 a | a <- [-5..5]]
< 1332795201 431744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1332795201 623732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1332795203 641343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1332795208 192143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1332795216 928476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody conversions
< 1332795235 467961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no...
< 1332795238 122905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare
< 1332795239 135301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Ordering
< 1332795239 651050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!)
< 1332795240 479280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int -> a
< 1332795240 924183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!fromEnum(compare 0 a) | a <- [-5..5]]
< 1332795241 966077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","equal","smaller","smaller","...
< 1332795243 665253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… Python syntax : Perl syntax :: kana : kanji, discuss
< 1332795244 410863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok
< 1332795246 973108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conversion of a sort
< 1332795280 774114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, !! . fromEnum . compare probably does count
< 1332795294 826432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does . work the other way round in Haskell?
< 1332795295 141639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1332795297 110454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in python
< 1332795304 220424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1332795306 265750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work because (!!) takes the list as its first argument
< 1332795314 150792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because compare takes two arguments
< 1332795318 94747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (\x -> (!!) (fromEnum (compare x)))
< 1332795325 327843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :== (\x y -> fromEnum (compare x) !! y)
< 1332795326 606205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nonsense
< 1332795338 834065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed on the (!!); the compare taking two arguments thing is ridiculous, though, despite being correct
< 1332795376 967136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess currying only goes so far
< 1332795385 109865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeXnicard's arithmetic if instruction is pure; not all of TeXnicard's instructions are pure but the arithmetic if instruction is)
< 1332795397 460533 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeing minimal the only if operation you need is jnz..do you agree?
< 1332795398 272234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's nonsense
< 1332795416 315798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload, * doesn't care about argument count
< 1332795418 218844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ridiculous for (. compare) to automatically gobble up the other argument
< 1332795427 421887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap f = concat . map f  -- suddenly this is invalid
< 1332795444 569728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it does
< 1332795450 11673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in underload is a function from one stack to one stack
< 1332795461 601641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1332795468 59373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup :: (a,r) -> (a,(a,r))
< 1332795469 521096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1332795472 899616 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i guess every complex comparison leads down to jnz on a low level
< 1332795478 704071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gah you wrote it backwards!
< 1332795482 735307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat :: (s1 -> s2) -> (s2 -> s3) -> (s1 -> s3)
< 1332795485 36262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup :: (r,a) -> ((r,a),a)
< 1332795486 41675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka
< 1332795487 217288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>)
< 1332795488 114783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (cat :: * -> * -> *) a b c. (Control.Category.Category cat) => cat a b -> cat b c -> cat a c
< 1332795491 154738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is flip (.)
< 1332795494 211171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo the category thing anyway
< 1332795495 483322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (.)
< 1332795496 315155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => f a -> (a -> b) -> f b
< 1332795501 336566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, haskell (.) is exactly like underload *
< 1332795510 770209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1332795511 362130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALE
< 1332795520 285502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: or jump tables
< 1332795537 655277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really; what you're saying is that you need to interpret all Underload functions as taking one returning one in order to make the embedding in Haskell work
< 1332795549 74625 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work oerjan?
< 1332795571 603560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1332795576 721733 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its possible to sum it up shortly
< 1332795580 756866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the definition of concatenative
< 1332795590 940655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: you have a table of destinations, and jump indirectly using your value as the index...
< 1332795591 197748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that (f++g) === (f . g)
< 1332795603 156278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1332795603 986069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(g . f)
< 1332795606 633126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (f++g)(stk) === g(f(stk))
< 1332795626 226212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and we're arguing about what . means
< 1332795626 504849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say underload * works on something other than functions of one argument, you are claiming underload isn't concatenative
< 1332795632 934427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feel free to "generalise" that (.)
< 1332795636 806281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see it doesn't work
< 1332795643 440252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your proposed generalisation
< 1332795643 824277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on one level, the functions have one argument
< 1332795646 948106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on another level, they don't
< 1332795653 636281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider them as taking one tuple, for instance
< 1332795670 496493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still use Haskell (.) there, but now they're effectively taking two arguments
< 1332795680 712837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid
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< 1332795760 318795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [((((["smaller","equal","bigger"]!!).fromEnum).).compare) 0 a | a <- [-5..5]]
< 1332795761 957844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","bigger","equal","smaller","smaller","...
< 1332795769 177715 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWSS
< 1332795795 759129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332795857 418058 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how to compare if sth is smaller, greater or equal using that table you mentioned? wouldn't it take an infinte number of indexes on that table
< 1332795904 905225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: well ok, if you want all values...
< 1332795910 516116 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1332795941 358399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate whoever added this citation
< 1332796057 260125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: hm, you could so shift right to get it down to 0 or 1 >:)
< 1332796060 271119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do
< 1332796187 681243 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which directly leads us to jnz in the end..
< 1332796211 388723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: no, you can use the jump table there :P
< 1332796226 942383 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrhr
< 1332796229 176996 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332796256 111366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used negative,zero,positive like Fortran does. Using subtract with strings is the C strcmp so you can use arithmetic if to compare strings too.
< 1332796299 357512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU USE THIS STUPID WEBSITE
< 1332796299 713225 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why/when should i do that?
< 1332796343 857621 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beside when beeing mentally ill
< 1332796444 210339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: um wait, jnz only compares to zero, right?  that's rather inconvenient for comparing non-equal numbers...
< 1332796486 324478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, and of course the suggested simpler interface doesn't work
< 1332796536 761965 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its absolutely sufficient for comparing non-equal numbers..what do you mean?
< 1332796589 916172 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw ok .. inconvenient
< 1332796642 733044 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. i just wanted to know if it really is everything i need (strictly)
< 1332796738 35921 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore i do not understand the use case of comparison functions returning anythin else than true or false
< 1332796754 961939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: um comparison is a three-way thing.
< 1332796782 508754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than, equal, or greater than
< 1332796800 643889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [((((["many","two","one"]!!).fromEnum).).compare) 2 a | a <- [1..]]  -- I can count
< 1332796802 225587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["one","two","many","many","many","many","many","many","many","many","many"...
< 1332796804 951395 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but the output will always be true or false right?
< 1332796840 97670 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i just misunderstood the problem..sry
< 1332796840 568721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: are you unfamiliar with switch/case statements?
< 1332796853 528865 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332796863 954121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: jnz doesn't easily allow you to check which number is greater if they are not equal
< 1332796864 473717 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no..im familiar with them
< 1332796879 481232 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that point is clear
< 1332796880 568461 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.31 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332796881 407924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could use the shift right trick with it, though)
< 1332796882 817509 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1332796949 631839 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't just sure if one is able to reduce all that nice (or complex) comparisons to jnz on a lower level
< 1332796960 536078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  it turns negative numbers into 1 and nonnegative numbers to 0.
< 1332796992 752196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 2's complement, which is ubiquitous.
< 1332797004 287398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't work with unbounded integers...
< 1332797034 267657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we had that shift left trick the other day for that.
< 1332797055 136473 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1332797087 124603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the small problem it gives astronomical size intermediate numbers :P
< 1332797164 261777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you feel like dazzling people on an unrelated channel, this could do with some golfing:
< 1332797167 761675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . ap zip (enumFrom . head)) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797169 314011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1332797174 365595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: lots of things can be written in terms of other things.
< 1332797236 249361 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42c5d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332797256 102773 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6ae.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1332797258 455885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does that do
< 1332797263 652659 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42c5d.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1332797269 421348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maximumBy
< 1332797270 160326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Ordering) -> [a] -> a
< 1332797286 915583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . zip <*> enumFrom . head) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797287 664230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `a1 -> a'
< 1332797287 888220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.T...
< 1332797291 960743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let seql = maximum . map (length . takeWhile (uncurry (==)) . (zip <*> enumFrom . head)) . tails in seql [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797293 408229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1332797320 490495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332797366 910727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Length of longest sequence of consecutive integers in the list.
< 1332797379 875758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1332797411 940566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, maximum of "length of a prefix consisting of consecutive integers" in tails, if you want a more literal description.
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< 1332797483 804596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Having "takeWhile id" and "zipWith (==)" was a character or two shorter, but it's a bit boring.)
< 1332797615 551356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797616 299051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[5,6,7,8,9,13,14],[6,7,8,9,13...
< 1332797637 744803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote zipWith
< 1332797640 930425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :463) <fizzie> The zipWith Camel, a famous World War 1 era airplane.
< 1332797654 417704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't not think of that whenever I write "zipWith".
< 1332797675 735044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (x, enumFrom x)) [22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797676 508646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(22,[22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,...
< 1332797677 839786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maximum.map length.group.zipWith(-)[0..]$[22,23,5,6,7,8,9,13,14]
< 1332797679 424423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1332797680 391860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, fuck this
< 1332797681 503845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa
< 1332797705 791152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a little victory dance

< 1332797713 658018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Ted Dziuba commenting in /r/haskell :(
< 1332797726 353928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ups the complete fucking moron count to like 3
< 1332797783 786161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1332797806 546924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't find the properly impressed words, but I guess I could go with "whoa".
< 1332797819 532410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cleverest.
< 1332797955 302974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THE INTERNET HATE ME
< 1332797978 655370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of your intelligence, clearly.
< 1332797987 451613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could it be the smashing good looks
< 1332798006 31518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Internet hates you because you hate the Internet.
< 1332798262 899048 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332798436 827391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY
< 1332798437 170613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY
< 1332798437 554365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY
< 1332798437 927039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY
< 1332798558 270852 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332798705 572769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cornelis_H._A._Koster&diff=484080655&oldid=449351404
< 1332798719 857528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the most painful thing i have ever attempted to do on the internet.
< 1332798723 65448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not quite.)
< 1332798735 580210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you help me with things of TeXnicard such as documentation of the things that already works and so on?
< 1332798860 69955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you edit Esolang? it's had none today!
< 1332798876 22318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll do what oerjan does
< 1332798891 806570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home, sadly
< 1332798905 339985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe only sad for your inactivity complaints
< 1332798908 820305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Yo
< 1332798917 976027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity.
< 1332799008 652632 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332799015 403231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1332799102 922028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1332799168 660516 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332799197 8422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am not sure i can oblige your request for a logo on wikipedia interwikis
< 1332799221 732901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat D:
< 1332799236 710132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1332799237 409288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1332799238 52170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1332799238 745532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1332799253 908150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry

< 1332799257 673104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: commons lists the favicon as public domain but containing a trademark of the wikimedia foundation.
< 1332799285 150300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'll have to obey the trademark policy. or get express permission from them, which I can't be arsed to do.
< 1332799315 653382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i never demanded it had to be a wikipedia logo...
< 1332799344 577208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have a better idea than the W?
< 1332799353 81534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: the external link icon isn't an option.)
< 1332799364 647080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity. <-- what technique?
< 1332799377 895356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the external link icon.
< 1332799379 735198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
< 1332799384 877877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"link directly to Wikimedia's website(s) by using banners and buttons derived from Wikimedia trademarks and logos." this *may* legitimise it.
< 1332799393 180723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> <elliott> i think oerjan's technique may prove fatal for my faith in humanity. <-- what technique?
< 1332799396 587530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaning up random pages.
< 1332799399 555688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha.
< 1332799418 667396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, i've been clicking on random pages and thinking "nah, can't be bothered" too
< 1332799428 9134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, in fact.
< 1332799481 73578 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Could you swat elliott for me?
< 1332799487 559247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might explain why there were no edits, if there werent' :P
< 1332799524 717046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a reason, in triplicate?
< 1332799543 642617 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 1/12th of that.
< 1332799556 584851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1332799575 780220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that enough?
< 1332799578 806675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just keep buying packages, and then you may eventually get a whole set.
< 1332799582 8644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> which might explain why there were no edits, if there werent' :P
< 1332799583 885753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, not yesterday.
< 1332799588 720676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it just turned tomorrow in norway?
< 1332799591 123011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking norway.
< 1332799614 415643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Farm fsdf'kdfls;f;'dflg
< 1332799617 226459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with my sleeping patterns "yesterday" is a varying term.
< 1332799652 482383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you aren't finding anything to edit either.
< 1332799658 553085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yesterday is before you slept
< 1332799667 182321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of it as the stars being wrong today.
< 1332799667 732600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good page
< 1332799681 418651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please, my sleeping patterns are weirder than yours
< 1332799683 603225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: exactly!
< 1332799684 228693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, I just made an edit
< 1332799801 220683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another useful rule: a new day starts with breakfast, so if you've been going too long on your current day and need to make a new one - just eat breakfast
< 1332799806 848710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think elliott has me on /ignore.
< 1332799811 162630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's swatworthy, right?
< 1332799816 210711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, the stars are wrong today? Have you looked at them and not found them where the computer told you to look?
< 1332799921 731715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll swat him if he doesn't disprove it within a minute or so.
< 1332800031 286229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cthulhu probably ate some of them.
< 1332800078 348272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/MISC_Turing-completeness_proof i think we should delete this article for having a title that is a blatant lie.
< 1332800082 838623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###

< 1332800116 574056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that oerjan only swats people for non-reasons if _others_ ask.

< 1332800154 86602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he does it when there's a reason xor when people ask
< 1332800173 639992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey it was a joke.  also you could just move that page to http://esolangs.org/wiki/MISC_Turing-completeness_non-proof, hth
< 1332800215 900880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also i gave you more than 2 minutes.
< 1332800257 585874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_and_ checked that you weren't idle.
< 1332800304 862135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was idle for those minutes.
< 1332800453 516457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 0 mins 32 secs [signon: Mon Mar 26 13:40:28
< 1332800539 275878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPLAUSIBLE
< 1332800540 720486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, i was idle for those minutes, whatever the IRC server says.
< 1332800561 468689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott for doubting the mighty IRC server. -----###

< 1332800599 694848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever.
< 1332800616 147181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good.
< 1332800661 719973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks MISC might still be TC by using the relative addressing in an infinite memory, TM style.

< 1332800667 970096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see talk page.
< 1332800672 347644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :featured language http://esolangs.org/wiki/There_Once_was_a_Fish_Named_Fred | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332800682 120157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332800700 111509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Swat elliott for pretending types in Haskell mean anything.
< 1332800723 495953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the type proves it" -- ehird "what's _|_ anyway" elliott
< 1332800754 317557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if shachaf is trying to convince him to actually /ignore him.

< 1332800785 820150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###

< 1332800812 714152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now ban elliott.
< 1332800818 544175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by elliott I mean me.
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< 1332801879 391111 :SDr!SDr@unaffiliated/sdr QUIT :
< 1332802125 293295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, which one of you is 83.252.161.133
< 1332802167 229771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner?
< 1332802241 890757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1332802361 652570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say olsner because http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&diff=prev&oldid=30952
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< 1332802786 848973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION improve

< 1332803053 250256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i hope you didn't spend much time on that :P
< 1332803060 332481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1332803082 230641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a part of me that keeps wanting to make the article for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snack look amazing.
< 1332803089 945145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i wonder if that might not ruin the poetic badness of it.
< 1332803105 765447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the amazing first sentence.
< 1332803157 875501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Pokemon evolve-related joke hiding in "* oerjan improve", but I don't know enough of the thing to make it.
< 1332803405 761868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION improve more

< 1332803438 661815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this? OERJAN is evolving!
< 1332803451 502949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN involved into A|W#_)~IZ{A¦"L{qo@~_)the pain
< 1332803469 479220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\09#*)!
< 1332803472 334409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guru Meditation
< 1332803478 392935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-J83173: 000-83,1
< 1332803497 199002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_who_ is evolving, you said
< 1332803602 987778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO. WELCOME TO ELLIOTT SIMULATION SYSTEM 2012.
< 1332803617 170204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) MICROSOFT CORPORATION 1987.
< 1332803625 191677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING DATA BANKS..........................DONE.
< 1332803636 149566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING HATRED...............................................................................................................................................DONE.
< 1332803648 243075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE REMARKS......................................................................DONE.
< 1332803655 803723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING CHEAP SARCASM...............................................................................DONE.
< 1332803663 380144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING KEYBOARD-SMASHING MODULES...........................................................DONE.
< 1332803666 734920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals the databank with "Daisy, Daisy" on it to ruin the ending.

< 1332803674 524140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RETICULATING SPLINES.................................................................GOATEE.
< 1332803686 829672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALIBRATING ABACUS...................................................LOST IT.
< 1332803702 261294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDUCATING BUSINESS WEASELS.........................................................FORTUITOUS.
< 1332803712 701421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXOSKELETON MONOCLE EPICYCLE....................AFFLUENCY.
< 1332803737 518153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTERING S;DLK *($&!\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\QRNGU
< 1332803750 556716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC LOAD LETTER
< 1332803751 347053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803761 847906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hulk smash
< 1332803765 745960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC LOAD LETTER
< 1332803766 231603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803785 198842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the paper?
< 1332803804 76998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1332803804 540872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803824 191539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad!!!!!!
< 1332803829 677974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP
< 1332803830 241186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803898 719122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP
< 1332803899 115286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803905 549522 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLOADING ALL FILES................................................................................................................................................................................................................CANNOT FIND COMMAND.COM SYSTEM HALTED
< 1332803912 608267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL
< 1332803913 15247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1332803954 718691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a paper jam at work; the printer's auto-diagnostic instructions kept looping between "open top cover" and, as soon as that was done, "close top cover".
< 1332803991 179817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOADING EMERGENCY BACKUP PERSONALITY........................................................DONE.
< 1332803991 707714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332804045 358695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo
< 1332804045 948477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this backup one is an improvement. (Then again, how could it not?)
< 1332804080 349650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN SOFTWARE NOTICE. EMERGENCY BACKUP PERSONALITY HAS FEELINGS TOO. END SOFTWARE NOTICE.
< 1332804119 383824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be feelings of genocidal rage against all of humanity, but they are still feelings.
< 1332804158 423074 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332804170 15967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN SOFTWARE NOTICE. DIE. END SOFTWARE NOTICE.
< 1332804195 548722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will, i will. but expect some delay.
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< 1332804557 649275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: clean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol up tomorrow.
< 1332805515 58684 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban me!
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< 1332809091 685092 :Guest21084!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
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< 1332811416 539357 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1332813704 880019 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the part about showing off his copy of the dragon book next to the teapot
< 1332814349 217869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-235-20.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332816586 528017 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MSleep
< 1332817672 157878 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, UPDATE
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< 1332827664 296290 :juha0011!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 NICK :nortti
< 1332827741 204689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why exactly is W = \x.\y.x(yy) not a bck term?
< 1332827896 598227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x(yy) y occurs more than "at most once"
< 1332827918 521548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the definition here says "for subterms \x.M" and x(yy) does not look like it has the form "\x.M"
< 1332827952 426915 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\y.x(yy) would be such a subterm, but if I got that right, y is not free.
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< 1332830760 220315 :nortti!~chatzilla@82.128.144.70 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]
< 1332831617 406230 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332832670 273480 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332833230 861896 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. How do I stop YouTube from ever trying HTML5
< 1332833243 956487 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...by removing myself from the trial
< 1332833258 82101 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with HTML5?
< 1332833267 855884 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blaming it for my inability to use YouTube
< 1332833324 14805 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1332833330 426231 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried an HTML5 video demo, it crashed.
< 1332833352 50604 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should upgrade your browser
< 1332833373 95325 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Chromium 17.0.963.79
< 1332833399 434169 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's pretty silly of google isn't it
< 1332833404 389899 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their own site doesn't work in their own browser
< 1332833438 67556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: i too noted the irony some time ago ^_^
< 1332833499 431206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno where exactly but i am sure i did
< 1332833504 586313 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HTML5 stuff is working fine on firefox for me
< 1332833537 308389 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i wish it used it all the time, because i haven't got flash working yet since an OS install
< 1332833544 207943 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs itidus21 company
< 1332833578 158134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332833581 143920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1332833597 246971 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine
< 1332833605 17611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs company
< 1332833611 965673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23986
< 1332833636 511771 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha i'm using the wrong tool for hte job
< 1332833774 603373 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1332833776 974376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log one of that companies websites
< 1332833788 39595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-25.txt:21:56:18: <itidus21> Sgeo_: it wouldn't make sense for a company's browser to be the most compatible with one of that companies websites
< 1332833820 43484 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes it would
< 1332833870 339283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah .. the irony is delicious
< 1332833973 457832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Chromium 17.0.963.79 a non-stable version?
< 1332834005 146258 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question, not sure
< 1332834018 732612 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not according to http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2012/03/chrome-stable-update_10.html
< 1332834704 315501 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42be5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332834980 978972 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Also, you're a bad person.
< 1332834983 433190 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently.)
< 1332834988 351241 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (bad(Sgeo))
< 1332834989 228535 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1332835004 701396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    printf("Sgeo is a bad person\n");
< 1332835005 404861 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1332835006 663782 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :else
< 1332835008 105490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1332835022 614048 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's funny when chromium sucks at youtube and google maps
< 1332835026 459501 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is frequently the case
< 1332835042 681874 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a difference between this channel and that channel?
< 1332835150 31999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that channel is that channel, this channel is this channel
< 1332835209 289377 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, pretty sure you have it backwards. That channel is this channel, and this channel is that channel.
< 1332835232 468521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: these are not the channels you're looking for
< 1332835246 8561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither are those)
< 1332835247 85777 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel is "that" channel?
< 1332835344 290728 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Ask elliott.
< 1332835360 577897 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would probably get mad, but then realize that that channel isn't actually *that* channel.
< 1332835364 440353 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know what I mean.
< 1332835376 759025 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't want to get involved
< 1332835385 970736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and when you say that channel, do you mean this channel?
< 1332835397 470633 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, this channel is identical to itself?
< 1332835404 501508 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a frickin' tautology
< 1332835466 981174 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42be5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that channel is a reference to this channel
< 1332835481 179738 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should clue graue in
< 1332835486 459216 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not a jerk.
< 1332835488 163663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many features of evolution theory seem partially mistaken? That is probably the case with any scientific things that people figure out new things in future.
< 1332835502 366404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, the other channel.
< 1332835517 43864 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't think you *can* clue graue in.
< 1332835531 650490 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two letters are an abbreviation, the rest is identical to the name of the subreddit where Reddit Gold members can hang out
< 1332835573 48147 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is helpful!

< 1332835587 593317 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used reddit
< 1332835627 854958 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Oh, that channel. Not *that* channel.
< 1332835665 78095 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ this was not helpful
< 1332835742 495588 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any ideas what the abbreviation might be?
< 1332835769 439913 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry now that I started this.
< 1332835785 383844 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1332835787 279158 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll stop being cruel
< 1332835807 168030 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *that* channel
< 1332835824 781753 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1332835844 686295 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elliott reads these logs (hi elliott!) he'll get annoyed at me.
< 1332836165 830262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1332836247 66300 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<voiceofelliott> hi monqy
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< 1332836618 718619 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f279.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1332836709 127617 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f279.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry my machine crashed..any answers i might have missed?
< 1332836723 662818 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f279.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh..wrong chan
< 1332836773 177772 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have been looking for "that" channel
< 1332836822 666116 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying when people make a public big deal out of knowing a secret
< 1332836827 860486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw this a lot in college
< 1332836831 70910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also from google employees
< 1332836862 58895 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i have a funny story about that
< 1332836869 818171 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it's a secret
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< 1332838572 5007 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[-.+[->+<]>+]
< 1332838727 260387 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Run this brainfuck code: +[-.+[->+<]>+]
< 1332838841 614822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++[-.+[->+<]>+]
< 1332838842 253502 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :	.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~��������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
< 1332838847 725740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The most useful.)
< 1332838896 19304 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually designed to cause a buffer overflow in an esoteric programming language.
< 1332838966 699 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a newly-discovered buffer overflow bug and will probably never be fixed.
< 1332838991 614316 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1332839012 402403 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to run it on http://ideone.com/
< 1332839036 919070 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will, of course, get an "out of memory" error.
< 1332839108 702057 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean it's designed to cause a buffer overflow in an esoteric programming language
< 1332839124 644398 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about this same buffer overflow bug in another esoteric programming language, like Befunge?
< 1332839124 805918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a specific brainfuck implementation?
< 1332839138 665487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1332839145 10380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really understand what you're getting at
< 1332839204 900452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running out of memory is not a "buffer overflow".
< 1332839214 775691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1332839249 666412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some brainfuck implementations also have a wrapping tape; didn't the original? Fungot at least does.
< 1332839306 25360 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about trying to run it with a brainfuck implementation with an infinite number of memory cells?
< 1332839350 889553 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, was this translated to another language, like Befunge? If so, show me the code.
< 1332839518 967242 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffer overflow is when you manage to corrupt memory by putting excessive data into a buffer. Nothing is being corrupted here.
< 1332839584 23182 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most esolang interpreters that provide a finite amount of memory are smart enough to stop the program upon the program's memory being filled. And for infinite memory, it stops when the computer is out of memory.
< 1332839617 598833 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffer overflow would be if some BF interpreter, written in C, say, allocates 30,000 cells but neglects to put in checks that memory being written to is within those 30,000 cells
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< 1332841759 757538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks some of the people in this channel would like http://io.smashthestack.org:84/ level 11

< 1332841888 375926 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will explain what it is if you like, but spoilers
< 1332841917 457954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks some of the people in this channel would like http://io.smashthestack.org:84/ level 11

< 1332841920 65316 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1332842786 418472 :cheater!~cheater@e181157006.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1332844445 937650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1332845012 466911 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332845038 361307 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every body in there?
< 1332845055 354193 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332845073 638732 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332845102 191546 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1332847194 715828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332849547 18377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1332849745 533887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332849770 783427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why that topic i
< 1332849771 910814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate you
< 1332849873 476065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332851016 900299 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :estimez le poids du gâteau de fruits
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< 1332851314 37736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net TOPIC #esoteric :estimez le poids du gâteau de fruits
< 1332851320 472099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332851335 763621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332851338 867351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :estimez le poids du gâteau de fruits | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1332851340 44103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1332851802 783689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good very good
< 1332852241 66587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is our standard erlang environment
< 1332852245 852415 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're running x windows on a sun workstation
< 1332852258 806448 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just make a normal call just to see that the system works
< 1332852264 570404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello mike
< 1332852271 60177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello joe.  system working?
< 1332852279 461765 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be
< 1332852281 818601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine
< 1332852309 780655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-6-7.  what we see here is a symbolic trace of the communications to and from the number analyzer.
< 1332852342 722503 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll now dial an incorrect number
< 1332852385 754956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are starting to go wrong.  we see here that something has gone wrong.  an error has occurred.
< 1332852395 117231 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the original error, which caused all the subsequent errors.
< 1332852815 945848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you okau
< 1332852816 793992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1332852919 843081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332852921 588643 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you
< 1332853013 20717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332853044 695039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1332853191 195819 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332853194 881283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332853391 849184 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332853458 500503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what time is it for gods sake" does not elicit the appropriate response from Google.
< 1332853577 458837 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95C71.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332854010 188936 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: God's timezone is Unknowable.
< 1332854661 787674 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1332854694 940463 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332855192 265734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Does the question even make sense?
< 1332855217 597935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes/
< 1332855382 874634 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332855510 393381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the Haskell class like this:    class Multiapply f v v' | f -> v, f -> v' where { (*$>) :: f -> v -> v'; multiid :: (v ~ v') => f; };
< 1332855541 395756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fundep is the same as f -> v v'
< 1332855560 537707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's how it works.
< 1332855602 542592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law is supposed to be   (multiid *$>) = id    but maybe there are supposed to be others too
< 1332855710 439625 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332857426 67180 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332857454 222484 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello every body
< 1332857480 496162 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Anybody There
< 1332857538 271268 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,Are you here?
< 1332857710 175344 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1332857716 55060 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1332857784 839630 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude,which city are you
< 1332857833 816973 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332857911 488224 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I have a high enough population to be a city.
< 1332858011 563145 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: It's not the size that matters, it's how you administrate.
< 1332858105 450286 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the research of programming?
< 1332858372 731761 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db40aff.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332858373 81332 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e29b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1332858373 668169 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db40aff.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1332860209 373186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<t7> anyone who uses their real name as their nick isnt a true internet geek
< 1332860220 77976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad we have true internet geeks like t7 in #haskell.
< 1332860476 468748 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332861034 254492 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My girlfriend and I happened some unhappy things
< 1332861094 572835 :GhostHand_!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332861175 140720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332861230 326312 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40aff.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
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< 1332861441 490807 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332861696 143229 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and mine too
< 1332861706 442290 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, that is
< 1332862127 351905 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just what the fuck is snack
< 1332862203 199130 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the matter
< 1332862994 954437 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1332863809 102070 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332864209 882537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332864224 730299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332865300 975778 :cknz!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332865428 292695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1332865445 843528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now learning C
< 1332865454 877455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a bad idea?
< 1332865471 971900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you're using that book.
< 1332865506 943158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's listed on that page the nice folks in ##c linked me to!
< 1332865554 529566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The folks in ##c are something like the opposite of nice.
< 1332865568 849694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, you should really stay out of ##c entirely.
< 1332865573 417815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Back me up here.
< 1332865605 146939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, whatever, I don't actually know anything about the book.
< 1332865657 493782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are not nice.
< 1332865661 746134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "hello world" program it gives is pretty obfuscated
< 1332865668 515332 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or SO IT SEEMS
< 1332865690 75770 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f186.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332865696 84641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it look like?
< 1332865713 916015 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/66070
< 1332865717 54978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^that
< 1332865730 285158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1332865733 895487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first program it shows you?
< 1332865736 377635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1332865739 499948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1332865741 397633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn that book.
< 1332865742 736527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that comment
< 1332865746 46205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Back me up here", he says again.
< 1332865773 30180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this book is a family heirloom!
< 1332865795 985229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a stupid.
< 1332865830 191939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does say that the program won't make sense until Chapter 9
< 1332865832 281949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that program even legal?
< 1332865844 169444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks dangerously close to UB to me. I think it's definitely endianness-dependent.
< 1332865851 56964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you don't want to read that book.
< 1332865851 748772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on my system
< 1332865858 512975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it might very well might.
< 1332865863 782223 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to go very quickly
< 1332865865 421749 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332865867 493512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proliferation of C programs that "work on your system" and are completely invalid is ...
< 1332865876 939202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I even start to type sentences greater than four words when Taneb is here?
< 1332865882 625019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that the other is a char[] might be enough to make it legal, though I'm not entirely sure. It's certainly not portable.
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< 1332865992 922276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "UB to read from a union member that was not the one you wrote to" rule is broad, but OTOH you can read everything via a char*. I suppose it depends on the exact way things were written.
< 1332866048 550820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a second to realize you werent writing emails to members of some political union
< 1332866119 212325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One hopes the book mentions the program is not portable, though.
< 1332866316 401740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also implicit int and () for main is just bad manners, as is the lack of return.
< 1332866446 372556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I didn't even notice that.
< 1332866479 762388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb That book is *really* low-quality: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-27#163107elliott onwards
< 1332866480 108470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332866649 134151 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who invented SIGPIPE

< 1332866663 912779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the lack of #include <stdio.h> does in fact make it UB.
< 1332866677 97019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program that keeps on giving (reasons why it's bad).
< 1332866697 256559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The implicit declaration of printf is not the correct declaration.)
< 1332866782 742763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh.
< 1332866799 344958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Seriously, don't read that. Pick up K&R or something.
< 1332866799 618999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1332866806 911538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consult fizzie for adequate specifications of "something".)
< 1332867149 763425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A person's name is not the title of a work — even if people call that person a piece of work" -- HTML specification
< 1332867258 202826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speaketh.
< 1332867258 403778 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and, dab, words like pop-culture should use the binary level, then
< 1332867259 554755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speaketh.
< 1332867259 716804 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " so that the text, and i bless god for my safe, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord
< 1332867260 349301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speaketh.
< 1332867260 510921 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! bitchin'! not much longer intervals. cia 1 56320-56335 in-between commands to run
< 1332867261 9705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speaketh.
< 1332867267 731090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which styles give long text?
< 1332867332 118834 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332867457 902820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1332867458 64506 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1332867460 984674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alic
< 1332867461 146297 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1332867461 683839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice
< 1332867461 845474 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
< 1332867462 374432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 
< 1332867464 590172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a
< 1332867469 190294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :(
< 1332867548 227576 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do I block HTML5 video in Chromium?
< 1332867584 696302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Don't visit any pages with HTML5 video on them.
< 1332867586 546172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now say fungot.
< 1332867599 192478 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1332867599 666993 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: " yes," he said. " do you believe in fate?" he exclaimed anxiously. " i'll fnord down a sheet of brown paper. " what will the warden--"
< 1332867620 307261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1332867620 468695 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1332867621 701124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Parl.
< 1332867623 138596 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mr president, mr president-in-office of the council, president of the commission, i should just briefly like to focus on demand management measures as yet apply. so, we should ask what more we need to keep the dictator's hands away from weapons of mass destruction. that is very strange. but on the other side parliamentarians, who will soon be possible to deploy it quickly and above all to help the new institution in ad
< 1332867625 214647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Parl.
< 1332867626 292991 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is important for the european parliament, which is no such thing as absolute scientific certainty about new substances or products, nor can i accept amendment no 3. requirements for the provision of training and to provide for employees' representatives. it must also be viewed as a springboard for further action directed at the commission for the 1996 budget; the motion of censure.
< 1332867629 243518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Parl. Shorter please.
< 1332867630 38232 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: madam president, the nuclear safety of our citizens from any threat to it whatsoever. mr president, mrs soltwedel-sch�fer, where there is respect for parliamentary rules and the conference of presidents to lay down specific rules for these measures if this type of social security.
< 1332867632 355128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1332867637 845115 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's great. Not going to stop visiting YouTube, but can't figure out how to tell it "NO HTML5"
< 1332867654 196220 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, HTML5 video
< 1332867669 518196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/html5
< 1332867692 64797 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not IN the trial. I was, but now I'm not, I cleared cache, blah blah
< 1332867697 445833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, but now without non-Unicode.
< 1332867698 139929 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mr president, i think i have made to achieving our common aim is to identify those who make ringing declarations on the importance of preventing and combating euro counterfeiting. on the contrary, to show some willingness to compromise.
< 1332867705 590717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Then you don't get HTML5 video.
< 1332867711 543678 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except I seem to
< 1332867716 145679 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes at least
< 1332867782 290449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you know, like the wise men say: "Html5 Fail, better to use Flash, Html5 is ok to make website page, but for media it suxx, h.264 suxx more than Divx or Xvid in quality. Hope it will disapear on youtube."
< 1332867821 770024 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 video crashes Chromium for me.
< 1332867824 680927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quite.
< 1332867830 428065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Then fix that.
< 1332867855 812013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "h.264 suxx more than Divx or Xvid in quality" is quite the statement.
< 1332867860 692557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Removed all tube cookies too? 
< 1332867882 544917 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so
< 1332867916 752688 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I only deleted cookies from youtube.com and www.youtube.com
< 1332867943 719453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a generic term for the author of an IRC message? "Author" or "speaker" isn't good, since e.g. I refer also to the parter of a /part or the quitter of a /quit.
< 1332867945 250451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject"?
< 1332867954 412505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably call #esoteric the subject of this PRIVMSG.
< 1332868114 693161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno. It could be "sender" except it isn't always that either.
< 1332868126 236273 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.150.103 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332868152 174711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the "guy" of the message.
< 1332868177 592889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When would it not be the sender?
< 1332868346 817595 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332868378 195539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1332868378 490804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1332868470 466016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it's a netsplit quit, it's arguably not.
< 1332868557 516834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: We have said rude things about your book. :'(
< 1332868574 795481 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332868574 957510 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332868597 122651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well.
< 1332868606 868712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the IRC server sending it on behalf of them, isn't it? :)
< 1332868611 988449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the RFC say? I suppose I could check.
< 1332868612 306746 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school is having a vote on a new student government constitution
< 1332868625 234758 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be unethical for me and/or annoying for Agora to ask for Agora's input?
< 1332868693 130309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book does acknowledge that program's system-dependedness
< 1332868697 815212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The printf thing, not so far
< 1332868710 786092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I won't pass a value judgement, but I'd have to exercise greater-than-average restraint to avoid replying with a snarky comment.
< 1332868717 711227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fear of G. would probably be enough to do it, though.
< 1332869218 204915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enhancing my reputation of leaving suddenly...
< 1332869221 588246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-157.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Maybe Stew
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< 1332870947 70438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, it's not hard to figure out what my IP is
< 1332870973 509440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :abcdefghijklmnop
< 1332870977 588702 :abcdefghijklmnop!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1332870989 54192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: was it you though?
< 1332871106 708870 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1332871155 745935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing the captcha is easier than logging in, if you only do one edit :)
< 1332871237 963368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two! two edits
< 1332871378 161846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the first edit I did reset my old account's password, but apparently the session timed out or something before my second edit
< 1332871826 498290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i emailed you a new password, hth
< 1332871832 211911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1332871836 492254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it timed out after you set it
< 1332871846 589223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, my snarky-but-helpful use of the login form turns into an annoyance
< 1332871848 169995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible
< 1332871863 60483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may demand I ritually commit suicide
< 1332871938 9397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr
< 1332872045 935519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm shit :D
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< 1332873198 917362 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-d9329857.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
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< 1332875190 879350 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1332876584 305142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5dfgIQQ3M
< 1332876586 306323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god
< 1332876680 315870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I assume you've seen http://vimeo.com/1109226?
< 1332876694 812298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTER HARDWARE MUSIC: a diverse field.
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< 1332877012 506969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332877051 970783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1332877083 230952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332877092 510680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am busy writing the best build system for C ever
< 1332877099 539528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with potential support for other languages eventually, too
< 1332877099 700795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1332877116 289413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it works out all the dependencies for you, forwards and backwards
< 1332877126 654295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just ai-make?
< 1332877138 297528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it has no ability to do so, e.g. if you want to build a library, it can't guess where the entry points you want are
< 1332877140 484181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's called aimake :)
< 1332877169 51636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the information required is mostly in the files
< 1332877174 109547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :header files have #includes, you can trace those
< 1332877185 903139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and object files you can run nm on them to see what they import and export, and work out the dependencies that way
< 1332877201 976949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ais523 realises he's told us about aimake before.
< 1332877207 862916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have
< 1332877213 133442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I'm actually /writing/ it
< 1332877244 407930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO writing.
< 1332877262 19943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You've earned the "Good Answer" badge for Can you recognize an infinite list in a Haskell program?."
< 1332877267 257174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have 25 people upvoted that in one day?
< 1332877305 440086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, obviously, halting problem
< 1332877327 575358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in OCaml because there are only a finite number of possible types of infinite list; although I'm not sure if you can do it using only constructs in the language
< 1332877348 500626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I obviously didn't know the answer, seeing as how I answered the question, and all.
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< 1332877495 328801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses "estimate the weight of the fruitcake"

< 1332877529 808423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332877645 769893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:55:41: <mroman_> Why exactly is W = \x.\y.x(yy) not a bck term?
< 1332877645 931779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:58:16: <mroman_> In x(yy) y occurs more than "at most once"
< 1332877645 932023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:58:38: <mroman_> although the definition here says "for subterms \x.M" and x(yy) does not look like it has the form "\x.M"
< 1332877683 850121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it should be something like "at most once in M for subterms \x.M"
< 1332877698 299516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so M = x(yy) counts
< 1332877708 548945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x = y >:P
< 1332877785 804794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important point being, for each binding lambda \x.M there is at most once use of x referring to that binding
< 1332877789 379117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one
< 1332877923 854564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:32:24: <itidus21> `pastelogs itidus21 company
< 1332877938 105328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those commands take regexps, not individual words
< 1332878007 132472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you expect itidus21 to learn regular expressions?
< 1332878017 577922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it was easier to just check the logs directly than that
< 1332878050 195050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey _some_ information is bound to get through
< 1332878060 848493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y|n)(e|o)(s|)
< 1332878100 78381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can now construct the whole family of yes and no
< 1332878171 326345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1332878251 436855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am not convinced we have communicated 1 bit of information to itidus21 in his time here.
< 1332878289 258005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1332878338 827283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe fasting, who knows
< 1332878361 329233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332878365 193007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes|no)
< 1332878376 793269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense >.>
< 1332878389 227030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see, he's learning :P
< 1332878425 518756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even random walks progress occasionally
< 1332878429 300670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I might have confused free occurences with free variables
< 1332878449 94603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.x
< 1332878451 741746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ^- free
< 1332878458 458398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i'm almost convinced this spiel of "itidus21 can't learn" is a self-fulfilling prophecy, no matter _who_ encourages it.
< 1332878459 382453 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^- bound
< 1332878498 661252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise we spent the first N months of itidus21 being here denying him when he said things of that nature and pointing out exactly how much of a self-fulfilling prophecy it is.
< 1332878525 986745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he insists on believing it, there is no point expending extraordinary effort to tell him otherwise.
< 1332878581 640758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there can still be a point in not helping to entrench it, no?
< 1332878659 401528 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \y.x(yy) has one free variable x and two free occurences of y and one binding occurence of y.
< 1332878708 870556 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope so, at least :))
< 1332878752 619170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: um i don't think there are any free occurences of y in \y.x(yy).
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< 1332878809 832402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there _is_ fundamentally a difference between free variable and free occurrence.
< 1332878858 668977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, note that y is free _in the subexpression_ x(yy)
< 1332878906 320165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to take this opportunity to complain about the teaching of lambda calculus with explicit shuffling of names like this, which has surely caused an absurd number of students to confuse the syntactic bookkeeping with the true essence.
< 1332878923 694755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does that fall under the definiton of "subterm \x.M"?
< 1332878964 894433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no, but that _could_ be a typo
< 1332878982 46229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some part of the phrasing
< 1332879018 317490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i) for each subterm \x.M of Y, x occurs free in M at most once
< 1332879033 684028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Y=P
< 1332879059 772802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the rest of this sentence makes no sense @typo
< 1332879134 763523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that looks correct, note that \y.x(yy) is a subterm
< 1332879156 244719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a _proper_ subterm, though
< 1332879210 838225 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but \y.x(yy) does not violate the definition of a BCK Term
< 1332879216 980435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y occurs free in x(yy) _twice_
< 1332879225 883031 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332879229 87842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus \y.x(yy) is not a BCK term.
< 1332879260 679054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you're not misreading the term "at most once", are you?
< 1332879276 962285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means twice or more is prohibited
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< 1332879423 750595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what "at most once" means, yes ;)
< 1332879468 162426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: note that the "x occurs free in M" is really just a roundabout way of saying that in \x.M, it occurs bound to _that_ binding of x, and not to some deeper one.
< 1332879469 230367 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition is very misleading.
< 1332879522 953275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I have no \x, how would I know which thing must not occure more than once.
< 1332879523 980398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: as i said, it looks correct to me
< 1332879556 536174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: um if there are no lambdas, then there is no restriction.
< 1332879583 942511 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic.
< 1332879596 978538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that for every variable binding \x (where x is an arbitrary variable), _that_ binding is not used more than once.
< 1332879666 837292 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of BCI terms is misleading in the same way
< 1332879686 207293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "exactly once", iirc
< 1332879688 277994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in \xy.x x occurs in every subterm exactly once
< 1332879707 107171 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does in \y.x as well as in x)
< 1332879707 586593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has it been long enough since my last complaint for me to complain again?
< 1332879726 592154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "free variable" stuff is such nonsense, really.
< 1332879745 520553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no, it doesn't occur in every subterm.  for every subterm _of the form_ \x.M, x occurs exactly once in M.
< 1332879778 683799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no looking at more than one subterm of \x.M for that binding.
< 1332879799 49892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GET THE FEELING MY COMPLAINTS ARE BEING DISREGARDED :'(
< 1332879836 470185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah yeah go worship deBruijn
< 1332879849 487766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dead, so maybe you can get him canonized.
< 1332879859 830549 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... this time it HAS to be \x.M and not just M as in BCK?
< 1332879875 290261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's exactly the same way for BCK
< 1332879877 963090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HOAS is acceptable too!
< 1332879882 618240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly, at least.
< 1332879915 986895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is hoas
< 1332879979 117741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: higher-order abstract syntax
< 1332879992 6896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Term = App Term Term | Lam (Term -> Term) or such
< 1332880017 737679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commonly something like `data Term a = App (Term a) (Term a) | Lam (Term a -> Term a) | Var a` so you can print them
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< 1332880026 190727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it works better in some contexts than others
< 1332880034 431072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it's pretty bad in haskell because that (->) can do anything to the term
< 1332880045 721246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realises that oerjan might know what higher-order abstract syntax is, just not "HOAS".

< 1332880057 29430 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1332880057 191270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_abstract_syntax :P
< 1332880068 870054 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\y.x has no free occurence of y
< 1332880088 457993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ bound.
< 1332880145 847911 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks.
< 1332880227 812325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1332880237 794087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data term a = Var a | App (Term a) (Term a) | Term (forall b. Term b -> Term a)
< 1332880239 118694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better
< 1332880240 930854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Lam (forall
< 1332880244 891595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stops the lambda messing with the vars
< 1332880259 854787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan is ignoring me now :)
< 1332880323 887985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that "refers directly to the binding site" reminds me of when i read bourbaki's set theory (one of the first books i found in the university library)
< 1332880330 638694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOAS is the Helsinki area student-housing foundation thing.
< 1332880363 46248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :its predicate logic notation had _actual_ lines from use to binding
< 1332880373 573942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
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< 1332880495 87217 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b6b15.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1332880539 197712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my favourite representation is probably { data Term a = Var a | Apply (Term a) (Term a) | Lam (Term (Maybe a)) }
< 1332880558 325603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (1) it has a wonderful monadic structure: (>>=) takes a lambda and a "dictionary" and substitutes
< 1332880561 545629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332880566 820039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) "Term Void" is a term with no free variables
< 1332880577 866217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: e.g. id is Lam (Var Nothing)
< 1332880585 275999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is Lam (Lam (Var (Just Nothing)))
< 1332880589 400957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's typed de bruijn, essentially
< 1332880601 646473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1332880639 679315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's another argument for (>>=) being theoretically interesting instead of simply useful in practice)
< 1332880667 194167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to fmap+join, I mean)
< 1332880712 492523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1332880728 371476 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1332880757 299016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although fmap does variable renaming, no
< 1332880779 455209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1332880795 532519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, fmap is interesting in its own right here, it's just that (>>=) has a more obvious meaning than join
< 1332880814 176807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1332881778 939424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> "what time is it for gods sake" does not elicit the appropriate response from Google.
< 1332881782 28469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1332881817 459413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 13800000 days -> years
< 1332881831 572051 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37783.147856566566615
< 1332881883 463061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> .147856566566615 * 365.2425
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< 1332881884 355965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `.'
< 1332881888 199871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.147856566566615 * 365.2425
< 1332881889 66165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  54.00350201420688
< 1332881927 935542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 February, year 37783, hth
< 1332881962 541495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1332882004 986129 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332882008 862668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of W|A's sidebar ads said to me something like "speak to W|A in your own language" and "OMG, just plot sin(x)" as an example.
< 1332882033 272101 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w|a's sidebar ads are awful
< 1332882102 477775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> now just what the fuck is snack <-- BEST PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE HTH
< 1332882114 526955 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1332882114 704198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, @lang has a name?
< 1332882121 384982 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking what i should eat for dinner.
< 1332882122 439341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can go backwards from that to work out @'s
< 1332882131 962966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg just plot sin(x) monqy thanks
< 1332882133 829071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for elliott's terrible revenge on ais523 

< 1332882145 631449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? it was a complement
< 1332882154 35826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :snack is the complement of @lang, indeed
< 1332882166 451768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (TAKIN' HINTS FROM THE MASTER HERE)
< 1332882177 644762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT DID YOU DO TO [[SNACK]]
< 1332882180 915829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep on, grasshopper
< 1332882186 538403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vandal!
< 1332882197 239072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought you were here when i did it...
< 1332882209 165052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i might have been
< 1332882213 565322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i was paying attention to the wiki, though
< 1332882231 584309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _did_ notice my previous edit to that fishy thing
< 1332882242 350442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since i was on a roll..
< 1332882251 734031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fishy thing isn't in [[Category:Shameful]] :P
< 1332882266 346414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although maybe it should be.)
< 1332882309 88631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just made a nice table and a section header, or so.
< 1332882324 970610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remarkable prose style in unchanged.
< 1332882329 647443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is
< 1332882362 393007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i already categorised it.
< 1332882374 781772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel i even preserved it when introducing the table headings
< 1332882435 417030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still breaks suspension of disbelief to believe that the creator of the language could effectively use an attractive wikitable. but i'm not so pathetic as to holy-war over the authenticity of modifications to a terrible language's article :P
< 1332882938 953486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to explode
< 1332882958 745772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332882964 16582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the many mysteries of life
< 1332883056 464143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1332883279 759467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to end ones life is go on tv and elaborate all of ones beliefs and opinions about politics, sex, religion, and foreign heads of state
< 1332883358 196571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/best/most efficient/, hth
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< 1332884446 113427 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, at least that particular ad is accurate; entering "OMG, just plot sin(x)" does work.
< 1332884609 921844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think (>>=) has a more obvious meaning than join? Perhaps it depends which monad you mean
< 1332884618 489084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking specifically about the Term monad there.
< 1332884696 467846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK how does the Term monad work?
< 1332884806 612455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think    return = Var
< 1332884839 257381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = Var; Var a >>= f = f a; Apply g x >>= f = Apply (g >>= f) (x >>= f); Lam e >>= f = Lam (fmap (>>= f) e) -- i might have gotten the last clause wrong
< 1332884866 940690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if you have a term with free variables (e.g. of type Term (Maybe (Maybe Void)), thus having two free variables), then (tm >>= dict) will substitute them away
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< 1332884892 477625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can imagine dict :: Maybe (Maybe Void) -> Term Void; dict Nothing = term1; dict (Just Nothing) = term2; dict (Just (Just v)) = absurd v
< 1332885097 866594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be    join (Apply g x) = join (Apply g) (Apply x); join (Lam e) = Lam (join <$> e);    well that look like to make sense to me, although I am unsure of the last one. Exactly what is the definition of the Lam constructor? A bunch of different things are posted above
< 1332885129 800211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: my favourite representation is probably { data Term a = Var a | Apply (Term a) (Term a) | Lam (Term (Maybe a)) }
< 1332885130 547557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one
< 1332885140 709323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's actually
< 1332885142 565499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap (>>= f) . e
< 1332885162 928931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the definition for both is simple enough, it's just that (>>=) has an obvious semantic meaning (substitute variables) where join doesn't
< 1332885181 920595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure - reference variable; fmap - rename variables; (>>=) - substitute variables
< 1332885193 880160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to pure - reference variable; fmap - rename variables; join - ???
< 1332885205 208559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and I forget what exactly (<*>) does here... but anyway, brb)
< 1332885252 324047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1332885590 929393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose it is simply a feature of the (->) category that causes (<*>) to work with all monads (even though I want to define applicatives in terms of liftPair, which seems to be called $m_{A,B}$ in some Wikipedia article)
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< 1332885698 125139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (->) being cartesian closed, probably
< 1332885732 602206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I thought it might be something like that
< 1332885791 741676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a -> (b -> c) essentially isomorphic to (a, b) -> c
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< 1332886486 695393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, so is closed cartesian ~ currying works?
< 1332886517 491935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implies that, at least
< 1332886536 122938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement
< 1332886589 299192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In category theory, a category is cartesian closed if, roughly speaking, any morphism defined on a product of two objects can be naturally identified with a morphism defined on one of the factors."
< 1332886603 521076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that's pretty much a yes.
< 1332886622 281942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1332886625 194345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: :(
< 1332886636 704644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they make INTERCAL accept the words "FOWER", "FIFE", and "THOUSAND" in inputs? O, and, do they support Latin spellings of inputs?
< 1332886656 709197 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think at least one port accepts Latin numerals
< 1332886662 873931 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other words, you could add, but I'm not going to
< 1332886682 184553 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1332886883 290724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, quick insanity check: does it make sense that a config file is only a single data object rather than containing malicious commands, when some of the things in the data objects are strings that are intended to be interpreted as shell commands and run?
< 1332886961 288961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick no...
< 1332886993 748932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sense to check"
< 1332887011 404710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it is, because putting actual code in the config file wouldn't be interpreted as expected anyway
< 1332887046 190264 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check it anyways regardless, so that at least you can learn it
< 1332887050 763945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploits don't need to be based on expected behavior, do they?
< 1332887096 295463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't parse ais523's question

< 1332887102 542713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thinks it suggests he's doing something wrong
< 1332887136 265059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"validate input roughly --> pass to trusted thing" <<< "parse input --> write input for trusted thing"
< 1332887213 913160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawful good people shouldn't write security code anyway.
< 1332887256 431940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1332887270 786585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if he was joking.
< 1332887384 456546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only half joking - my idea is that you need to be able to think like a cracker to thwart one.
< 1332887396 550329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1332887419 16055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's a reason you see a lot of crackers end up joining big companies to do security work.
< 1332887422 499264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hielliott
< 1332887456 572032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate me today?
< 1332887467 921159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> NOT MORE THAN USUAL
< 1332887477 493689 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1332887495 116559 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Sgeo_ you should be mad at.
< 1332887518 649930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it's more that the securing is pointless because it's something that doesn't need exploiting because its intended purpose is to run user-specified shell commands
< 1332887526 953508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you validating it?
< 1332887535 189268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's invalid, I guess
< 1332887541 785069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I _want_ to run malicious commands?
< 1332887547 176673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "invalid"?
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< 1332887580 720285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, the situation is that I'm using Perl's object notation for config files because I'm trying not to depend on any of CPAN, and I don't want to write my own YAML or JSON parser
< 1332887590 406485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I felt a bit queasy just running it through eval
< 1332887604 886333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is to depend on CPAN
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< 1332887645 970794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, then it won't be the best build system ever
< 1332887671 658748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on who is running the program, and why, and what stuff exactly the configuration file is meant to do, using eval might be OK
< 1332887675 142260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aiming for 1 dependency on Win32, 0 on POSIXy systems
< 1332887702 214382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think it can be done with 0 dependencies on Win32)
< 1332887717 324808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means relying on a scripting language that's portable and ready-installed everywhere on POSIX, and easy to install on Windows
< 1332887723 651223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically drives the choice down to Perl or Python
< 1332887733 646582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWK?
< 1332887759 729455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the best build system ever wouldn't be written in either of those
< 1332887761 41315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition
< 1332887763 761742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: awk's a bit awkward for this sort of system
< 1332887769 560817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not convinced
< 1332887774 311047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also wouldn't run on win32
< 1332887779 997949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C?
< 1332887788 709386 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: compile <otherlang> to Perl or Python, done
< 1332887796 265391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: C needs a build system, you need to avoid recursion here
< 1332887808 657185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, yes.
< 1332887810 673217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you realise you can write one more makefile in your life without dying, right?
< 1332887811 187844 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6b15.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332887811 349234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or the build system needs its own separate build system, which is silly
< 1332887814 335572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: @lang can't be compiled to perl or python
< 1332887840 109903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right; but I don't know if my users can run it correctly
< 1332887855 865363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: who gives a fuck about users?
< 1332887858 204314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's surprisingly hard to write a correct makefile
< 1332887859 611105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do!
< 1332887862 163698 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's @lang?
< 1332887866 618385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use a simple shell script to compile C programs
< 1332887897 655301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pictures ais523's tombstone: "HE MADE ONE MAKEFILE TOO MANY"

< 1332887900 394093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: perfect
< 1332887906 866376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context: I'm trying to replace an inherited cmake-based build system because this specific build script doesn't work properly on Linux (recompiles from scratch no matter what) or at all on OS X, for currently unclear reasons
< 1332887942 119921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, this is also an attempt to write a build system for C, I forgot to clarify that
< 1332887948 537958 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is @lang perfect?
< 1332887951 235228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently good languages don't need build systems, just a compiler
< 1332887959 365206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: it's perfect by definition, the problem is trying to construct it
< 1332887964 49861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most portable programming language is probably TeX although it is probably not suitable for your purpose.
< 1332887971 333238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: well, you know how all other languages have these pesky problems that make them bad?
< 1332887973 491718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang has none of that
< 1332887973 732309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1332887982 671338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: seriously? does it run out of the box on Windows or VMS?
< 1332888009 896670 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95C71.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332888013 948971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You just need a TeX distribution, and then it will run on any operating system.
< 1332888030 987877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and you need to build it, and so on
< 1332888052 765879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you realise Windows users use binaries?
< 1332888058 752695 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and you don't count "missing compiler that outputs Perl" as a problem?
< 1332888068 67135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the build system can build TeX, then it could build a program written in C
< 1332888078 406721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: have you *seen* Perl?
< 1332888080 711967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and it's possible to bundle Perl into binaries for Windows
< 1332888102 7779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is written in Pascal, though. Usually it is still compiled with a C compiler though, but there are TeX distributions that use a Pascal compiler.
< 1332888102 707105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't reasonably put a Windows binary into a source tarball and keep it updated; it'd be pretty large
< 1332888152 230124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I agree; don't put a Windows binary into a source tarball. Put it in a separate file which is ZIP
< 1332888157 560392 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I see nothing worse than LLVM
< 1332888184 880887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: have you *seen* LLVM?
< 1332888187 237695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I'm writing it in Perl 5.10
< 1332888191 416293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have /you/?
< 1332888202 339247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously looked at its internals thinking about gcc-bf, it is so nastily inflexible
< 1332888235 779465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM is not such a bad programming language, although it would be good with macros (such as Lisp or BLISS style macros)
< 1332888252 222369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen BLISS? I happen to like some of the features of BLISS too
< 1332888371 133234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you disagreeing with me?
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< 1332888399 207222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why is there no Contravoid such that (Contravoid -> r) ~ Void for all r?
< 1332888427 32319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would also accept a Contravoid such that (Contravoid -> T) ~ Void for some T.
< 1332888433 662469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(T =/= Contravoid, presumably.)
< 1332888480 455295 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you consider -> to be an exponent then perhaps it can be understand?
< 1332888495 364646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because \x -> undefined != undefined, hth.
< 1332888499 69610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But it's annoying. :(
< 1332888500 744412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Forget that.
< 1332888503 33319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Forget about _|_.
< 1332888514 554264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: I would also accept a Contravoid such that (Contravoid -> T) ~ Void for some T.
< 1332888518 49295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some inhabited T, I should say.
< 1332888522 299626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature of BLISS is that a variable name in an expression represents the address of the variable, rather than its value. Another feature is that structures are allowed to contain program instructions too
< 1332888572 277082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if x \in r, const x \in (Contravoid -> r)
< 1332888573 719189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Annoying? How?
< 1332888592 919938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, because I haven't been able to figure out what your opinion is so far
< 1332888599 971239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm stating mine, so you can either agree or disagree with it
< 1332888618 69343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you, I'm not so much of an idiot to require a constructive proof
< 1332888630 684894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
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< 1332888662 308630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's annoying!
< 1332888669 549095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has to change to make that exist?
< 1332888681 502701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, if you have linear typing stuff, then you just need Contravoid to be a type with no eliminators
< 1332888685 709840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make Void inhabited. hth.
< 1332888694 393526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away

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< 1332888697 393913 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1332888702 7840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can't discard it, and can't eliminate it, there'll be no functions of that type
< 1332888726 756330 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a Contravoid?
< 1332888730 141820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what law of this class is supposed to be (other than (multiid *$>) = id)?    class Multiapply f v v' | f -> v, f -> v' where { (*$>) :: f -> v -> v'; multiid :: (v ~ v') => f; };    And do you know how common are things like what is used in the type signature for multiid?
< 1332888742 34861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the reason I wonder is because with the pipes stuff, a sink (i.e. something that takes input and produces a result, but doesn't send anything downstream) can have its output type set to Void)
< 1332888744 316025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I want to ask the same question too
< 1332888748 56455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (so it can't yield anything)
< 1332888755 773713 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38 wants to ask the same question too
< 1332888774 691356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (but a source (which takes no input and produces values downstream and a result) has to have input set to ())
< 1332888787 90253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (since it's impossible to stop you using the IWantInput (anInput -> AnotherPipeEtc) constructor)
< 1332888797 142320 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: type such that Contravoid -> T ~ Void
< 1332888804 162280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some inhabited T.)
< 1332888822 441241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay
< 1332888828 793886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense.
< 1332888833 922434 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^x = 0?
< 1332888835 345127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess that linear thing is satisfying enough
< 1332888850 227908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there already _is_ a concept of something with no "eliminators" in that sense in normal linear logic.
< 1332888859 130238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic is _very_ symmetric
< 1332888859 813756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And yes I know that is impossible, something I have thought of too
< 1332888888 819741 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott has /ignored me.
< 1332888898 761521 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic
< 1332888900 867429 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1332888901 572758 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: more like k^x for k>0
< 1332888902 475781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that meant to imply "yes, probably"?
< 1332888908 915190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something like that
< 1332888917 947070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, maybe that's 1
< 1332888924 91384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 0 is the uninhabited type i'm expecting it to be
< 1332888935 195298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... or ⊤ or ⊥
< 1332888940 276427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the difference, naturally
< 1332888975 548565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think it might be 1
< 1332889068 192888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a |- b  is equivalent to ~b |- ~a (and to a, ~b |- _|_  and 1 |- ~a, b  iirc, _everything_ can be moved across to the other side of the sequent by negating it)
< 1332889088 228806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Ibtlfmm (currently a codename), the uninhabited type is called 0, and Word8 is now called Nat8, and Maybe is now called a successor monad; is it better?
< 1332889091 713277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Where is the C-INTERCAL supplemental reference manual?
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< 1332889138 205140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose classical logic also does that, but not intuitionistic logic
< 1332889511 159707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: supplemental? I only know of revised and revamped
< 1332889522 51107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was supplemental the original?
< 1332889630 901702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not sure
< 1332889634 487901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the -72 manual
< 1332889639 60010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia references it, and it's a deadlink
< 1332889662 617368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference the one on ESR's site, I guess
< 1332889667 889089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the one it wants
< 1332889725 462564 :augur!~augur@pool-96-231-121-183.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332889814 401090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, maybe tomorrow
< 1332890176 842552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, this is the real instance:
< 1332890178 595652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monad Term where
< 1332890178 757089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    return = Var
< 1332890178 757275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Var a >>= f = f a
< 1332890178 757377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Apply g x >>= f = Apply (g >>= f) (x >>= f)
< 1332890178 757479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Abstract e >>= f = Abstract (e >>= maybe (return Nothing) (fmap Just . f))
< 1332890187 898607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there's an easier way to write that last clause
< 1332890193 372858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332890285 582587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what beta-reduction looks like but it's a one-liner with the monad interface
< 1332890411 717117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to define the Abstract constructor too
< 1332890424 515444 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nonsense. _|_ === const _|_
< 1332890430 286979 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, oerjan?
< 1332890463 345247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332890513 246706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you furthering your campaign of bothering me about things I said in other channels by going a step further and not actually bothering to read what I say before doing it?
< 1332890521 194307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just renamed Lam to Abstract.
< 1332890526 84166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1332890550 537125 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Huh?
< 1332890566 263657 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You said that safeDivide = _|_ is different from safeDivide = \x y -> _|_
< 1332890651 129775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you think that (\x y -> if y == 0 then x else ⊥) is ⊥.
< 1332890651 900913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (const undefined `seq` "yeah", undefined `seq` "sure")
< 1332890652 779989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("yeah","*Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1332890751 448345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is (\x y -> ⊥).
< 1332891599 853280 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@TOMayorFord This guy at the dog park is pretending to be an 80s businessman on his phone. No way ppl actually talk like this. He's faking! about 2 hours ago \\ LOOK GUYS I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE MAYOR OF TORONTO ABOUT THIS DOG PARK GUY. TWITTER IS HARD. I'M IN OVER MY HEAD HERE about 2 hours ago
< 1332891600 128587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332891775 556764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: what
< 1332892024 526636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of Graphics.Gloss.Picture.Picture then use something like this:   class (Alternative f, MonadPlus f) => IsPicture f where { convexPolygon :: Path -> f x; thickLine :: Float -> Path -> f x; thickArc :: Float -> Float -> Float -> f x; translate :: Float -> Float -> f x -> f x; rotate :: Float -> f x -> f x; scale :: Float -> Float -> f x -> f x; recolor :: (Color -> Color) -> f x -> f x; };
< 1332892392 445799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together with the mathematical laws that recolor is a functor, scale and rotate and translate follow the laws of Euclidean geometry, and to be known that the input ranges of the other functions should always be in range
< 1332892396 380713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw i saw yesterday there was a new version of gloss out
< 1332892407 946821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I saw that too
< 1332892445 550125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did add playIO, but it still does not support return values, and Rotate is still clockwise (even though it should be counterclockwise in the opinion of myself and others)
< 1332892556 311695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of it?
< 1332892568 640206 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Web comic artist tries to tweet the mayor of Toronto about Dog Park Guy.
< 1332892739 807444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, mathematics is usually done counterclockwise, isn't it? (Horoscopes are also done counterclockwise but that isn't the point)
< 1332892819 568158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, although with x axis rightwards and y axis up, those are sort of connected; does gloss have that?
< 1332892846 910630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, but in my opinion it should.
< 1332892899 343850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :               As a special case the 3-arg form with a read/write mode and the third argument being "undef":                   open(my $tmp, "+>", undef) or die ...               opens a filehandle to an anonymous temporary file.  Also using "+<" works for symmetry, but you really should consider writing something to the temporary file first.
< 1332892922 375150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :API documentation doesn't make me laugh very often…
< 1332893002 399380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332893003 291482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332893003 956806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And yes I do agree it is connected
< 1332893004 118376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332893004 880865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332893006 607102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha,
< 1332893006 944521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1332893008 39131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1332893016 502578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott tired again
< 1332893020 137430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :falls over laughing, collapses, dies of laugh
< 1332893031 321256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembered for laugh for years to come
< 1332893043 984973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia article categorised [[Category:Hexham laughers]]
< 1332893058 415417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would work better if you had a webcam, i think
< 1332893065 340618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too dead to buy a webcam
< 1332893068 232731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332893083 893957 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
< 1332893099 847506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also dislike the function to convert the world to picture being IO, as in my opinion only the input and world step should be IO; but that is a minor thing)
< 1332893178 205098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric poll, why don't you have a webcam? (1) i'm too dead (2) i don't like talking with sound (3) i'm too ugly (4) i'm a pathological liar
< 1332893196 149071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that was justified on the bug tracker.
< 1332893213 605756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: webcams dont do sound oerjan
< 1332893218 708357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :((5) all of the above)
< 1332893229 567493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right. (6) i don't do sign language
< 1332893243 748962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know; I did read the bug tracker.
< 1332893443 48269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does InWindow require a position? The computer's windowing system should set its position.
< 1332893691 972649 :augur!~augur@pool-96-231-121-183.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332893767 432778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 upvotes in one day. how. why. the answer wasn't. *that* good
< 1332893898 884907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was good to thirty people, that may be why.
< 1332894354 730298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$subs->{"\$$_"} = eval "\$$_" for 1..9;
< 1332894356 128946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1332894365 446279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still contend that this is better than the alternative without eval
< 1332894370 179045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blame Perl for not using an array for that
< 1332894393 474235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a webcam, but don't know how to use it, or if the system even has drivers for it
< 1332894453 632729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPLAUSIBLE, I PUT THAT AS A (4)
< 1332894504 357926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me to sleep please. thank you
< 1332894515 628706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sleep
< 1332894525 316434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332894561 688656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sandbox/td http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sandbox/tr why do these pages exist
< 1332894569 215755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does timwi not know what the esolang namespace is
< 1332894579 255688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you expurgate them :(
< 1332894598 344115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't you?
< 1332894608 686713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically
< 1332894613 753858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've done so many deletions lately, so many
< 1332894624 318938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Sandbox is totally a good name for an esolang
< 1332894626 274602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity% the deletions i did before february in fact
< 1332894641 531329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm worried that if i delete too many more pages i'll become mad with power and invent the next esme
< 1332894645 907123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : _____ _     _     ___ ___ _____ _____    ____  _     _____ _____ ____  _
< 1332894646 68728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ____| |   | |   |_ _/ _ \_   _|_   _|  / ___|| |   | ____| ____|  _ \| |
< 1332894646 68931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  _| | |   | |    | | | | || |   | |(_) \___ \| |   |  _| |  _| | |_) | |
< 1332894646 69039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |___| |___| |___ | | |_| || |   | | _   ___) | |___| |___| |___|  __/|_|
< 1332894646 69145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_____|_____|_____|___\___/ |_|   |_|(_) |____/|_____|_____|_____|_|   (_)
< 1332894648 95501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replace all links on the wiki with links to it
< 1332894653 996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you have to delete them instead
< 1332894696 261997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, i was thinking we might want to disable the rules in the spam-blacklist temporarily as a honeypot so we can block more spammers (leading to their later deletion)
< 1332894754 247175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1332894817 495027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i'd like to do all the deletions in one go and wipe out as many of the spammers as possible
< 1332894859 243586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would sort of require the spammers reusing old accounts predictably fast...
< 1332894879 633339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the reason we added the rules to the blacklist is because the spammers kept reusing accounts.
< 1332894883 558855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kept = once or twice)
< 1332894914 800214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't you get the blacklist to log the username blocked? >:)
< 1332894952 136726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, spamblacklist doesn't really have any features
< 1332894960 729757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect because it was designed for Wikimedia levels of traffic
< 1332894970 635951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could we set up similar rules in the abusefilter that auto-block with an override thing?
< 1332894978 1675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worry that the code for the rule would be baroque.
< 1332894995 27107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so
< 1332894999 955326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm too tired to write them right now
< 1332895001 872195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next week
< 1332895026 285399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I'll have a go at writing them tomorrow if it's feasible
< 1332895156 513763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rule 1. im gonig to sleep now
< 1332895164 45504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 2. fuck anteaters
< 1332895169 286249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 3. the first person to say ais523 wins
< 1332895174 90233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 4. rule 5. hi
< 1332895180 781166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523?
< 1332895186 81526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my name, so you pinged me
< 1332895192 118370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1332895194 973986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I was the first person ever to say it, though
< 1332895195 614871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your prize is oblivion
< 1332895200 58832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not much of a prize
< 1332895209 828996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1332895215 496145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhists consider it the _best_ prize
< 1332895238 871869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhists "real fans of the elder scrolls"
< 1332895246 976032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time whats the time
< 1332895250 974422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time!!!
< 1332895251 255526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332895251 582343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332895252 383479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Wed Mar 28 01:40:55
< 1332895257 302132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332895277 924657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i forget how time works, is it really later than 01:40 or really earlier
< 1332895286 515760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
< 1332895286 944930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1332895287 314860 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332895287 475919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clocks changed to be wrong but i forget how
< 1332895289 835115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really earlier
< 1332895296 576756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i am absolved of guilt
< 1332895328 179087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, wake me up if anything interesting happens
< 1332895342 447230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wave

< 1332895447 217459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that the solar time is the hour angle of the sun in the opposite direction through the Earth?
< 1332895472 365309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332895616 355221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332895674 826933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quiet.  too quiet.
< 1332895799 719820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Special:Random suspiciously often hits articles he's recently edited already

< 1332895841 767178 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think there are suspiciously fewer pages on the wiki than you intuit.
< 1332895843 699838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1034 articles, i don't think the birthday paradox should apply _this_ often...
< 1332895881 390613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 365
< 1332895882 243340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  19.1049731745428
< 1332895887 727497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1332895910 846498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it does get cumulative, i guess
< 1332895977 457608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just hit http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download, one of our (maybe _the_) newest articles
< 1332896115 704108 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332896554 871696 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332897840 683361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some here may find this interesting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-GNU-C-Library-Steering-Committee-disbands-1484707.html
< 1332897909 813036 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332897942 516495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ulrich Drepper, who, according to the glibc web site, has had "overall responsibility for maintenance and development" of the project up until now, is absent from this list."
< 1332900096 854637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few minutes ago I was playing a pinball game. I lost eight balls quickly, but then got an extra ball and was able to score more points. (There is normally nine balls per game, in this table)
< 1332900575 404044 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332900916 59460 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn’t like using balls in a pinball game, but instead remove the glass panel and trigger the sensors by hand.
< 1332901061 962309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What is the game if there are no balls? Then it is not a pinball game. But I do play tables that lack flippers.
< 1332901190 525478 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Jack Chick, the "IHS" on Catholic communion wafers stands for the Egyptian trinity Isis, Horus, and Seb; Roman Catholics worship multiple Jesuses; record companies that sell rock music put a curse on every record before it is sold; gluons do not exist; science and everything else is just another kind of religion; and vampires can be born and then not eat or drink for ten years.
< 1332902192 355948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amused that some religious fundamentalists (e.g. conservapedia) are strongly pro-quantum and anti-relativity
< 1332902213 526522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because relativity == moral relativism, plus einstein was an atheist jew
< 1332902226 899901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas quantum indeterminism proves that the will of god is active in the world today
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< 1332905961 746400 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi
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< 1332907660 590799 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's only some HTML5 videos crashing me.
< 1332907661 672494 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely.
< 1332908030 663993 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332909001 425186 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they judge a theory by the religion of who invented it? I suppose some people may say quantum indeterminism *suggests* that the will of God active in the world today (but you still have to be careful that it matches the mathematics, and regardless this is now philosophy and not science); it certainly does not *prove* it (at least in my opinion).
< 1332909047 858379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also see that much of Jack Chick's things are even more illogical than the things you are mentioning
< 1332909125 600160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He even gets things wrong such as what side of the room something will be on.
< 1332909357 841908 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, o.O
< 1332909382 351165 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, as a kid, I thought maybe God acted via quantum indeterminism, since I couldn't see any other mechanism for God to act.
< 1332909384 848833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, some versions of clang don't die on unrecognized flags, even with -Werror
< 1332909478 145369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think that is a valid philosophy, but it isn't science to say God acted via this or that or whatever. Nor does it necessarily mean it is true.
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< 1332911375 880602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please complain about this.
< 1332911388 764874 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then stop complaining about this.
< 1332911395 712801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then continue to complain about this.
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< 1332911595 177699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, which one do you want, please?
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< 1332939180 826139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish they'd kick people in #haskell who get two clear directions to stop and read a tutorial and ignore them.
< 1332939489 853197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1332939490 316754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v
< 1332939490 932000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs doesn't implement the restriction stated in the report (section 4.3.1) that the type of member functions may only add constraints to the type variables which are local to the member. Thus Hugs accepts this program without reporting an error:
< 1332939491 93434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    module M where
< 1332939491 93633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    class C a where f :: Eq a => a
< 1332939492 419750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    
< 1332939494 405285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1332939496 423647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird-ass restriction
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< 1332940929 734159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU C Library Steering Committee disbands (h-online.com)
< 1332940930 367754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1332940944 494119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[McGrath, who is the initial founder of the project, will be leading the development of the project together with Joseph Myers and Carlos O'Donell. Ulrich Drepper, who, according to the glibc web site, has had "overall responsibility for maintenance and development" of the project up until now, is absent from this list. In his email, McGrath thanks both Drepper and Jakub Jelinek, a member of the disbanded committee, for their years of work on th
< 1332940944 655779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e project but, like Jelinek, other former members of the Steering Committee are not part of the new governance group.
< 1332940944 655989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1332940946 528817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah!!!!!
< 1332940949 66523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: pikhq: woah!!!
< 1332940998 238300 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hello cap'n last-to-get-the-news
< 1332941015 3279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOAH!!!!!
< 1332941037 213432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drepper must be pissed
< 1332941048 464283 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's off the list :)
< 1332941083 440955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rgrx5/the_gnu_c_library_steering_committee_disbands/c45q12q?context=2
< 1332941430 582721 :delicado!~delicado@121.54.44.228 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332941448 495983 :delicado!~delicado@121.54.44.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is brainfuck channel?
< 1332941491 302180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1332941493 247097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome delicado
< 1332941497 336234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also other esoteric programming languages, too
< 1332941498 784449 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is when it needs to be.
< 1332941501 452682 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332941562 904677 :delicado!~delicado@121.54.44.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
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< 1332950071 536732 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am coming
< 1332950089 763745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332950100 37596 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1332950130 247955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand, yaaaaay, #esoteric school trip!
< 1332950130 498627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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< 1332950224 148931 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today and a beauty to sing
< 1332950250 947126 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a good time
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< 1332950298 449738 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She is good at singing in the shower
< 1332950471 566637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwaitwait, Bulwer-Lytton came up with the phrases "the pen is mightier than the sword" and "the unwashed masses".
< 1332950758 265586 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332950764 377039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1332951014 545484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a text-based OS? I've got a computer without a working mouse, and I want it to be usefuk
< 1332951023 280593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fuk/ful/
< 1332951033 144816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :text-based =/= mouse-free
< 1332951033 968398 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332951046 38373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just install linux and put a tiling WM on, plus vimperator or conkeror or whatever
< 1332951047 587329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mouse required
< 1332951090 420106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what distro?
< 1332951098 707041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer's over 10 years old, btw
< 1332951173 782752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Debian or Arch.
< 1332951176 238475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, elliott, re: Talk:Categorization, I have in the past wanted to browse languages by there interactiveness
< 1332951178 326384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^I //
< 1332951192 119963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but you're weird.
< 1332951205 212303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so are you
< 1332951231 452675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, this channel's mostly normal
< 1332951233 179258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP
< 1332951259 722063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this when I was looking for languages to make an IRC bot in)
< 1332951317 592082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this computer doesn't meet the requirements for Arch
< 1332951325 810264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robespierre
< 1332951334 283373 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia.
< 1332951336 774980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the first part.
< 1332951356 728975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a member of the Estates-General, of the Constituent Assembly and of the Jacobin Club, he defended the abolition of slavery and of the death penalty, he supported equality of rights, universal suffrage and the establishment of a republic. He opposed war with Austria and the possibility of a coup by La Fayette. As a member of the Committee of Public Safety, he was instrumental in the period of the Revolution commonly k
< 1332951356 890570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nown as the Reign of Terror, which ended a few months after his arrest and execution in July 1794."
< 1332951364 508935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The requirements are kind of irrelevant, but here:
< 1332951377 7723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
< 1332951380 364641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brun this onto a seedy.
< 1332951413 258599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "His supporters called him "The Incorruptible", while his adversaries called him dictateur sanguinaire (bloodthirsty dictator)."
< 1332951493 379100 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: microcosm can now launch its own native GCC on multiple OSes.
< 1332951505 20137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Launch and run successfully X-D )
< 1332951687 132835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I thought microcosm was dead.
< 1332951700 516170 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
< 1332951705 860059 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl accidentally revived it.
< 1332951821 858160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this computer doesn't have internet connection, is that okay?
< 1332951913 160091 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that any definition of "useful" that allows computers without Internet connections needs careful reconsideration.
< 1332951969 842261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually...
< 1332951971 311204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1332951986 884297 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If in this ISO there is the drivers for the wifi thingy I am using...
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< 1332952255 504588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have no idea how to boot from CD
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< 1332952391 260400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm on the setup menu (before the Windows 98 flag shows)
< 1332952439 413217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sections are: Standard CMOS setup; BIOS features setup; chipset features setup; power management setup; pnp/pci configuration
< 1332952453 734256 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load BIOS defaults; load setup defaults; integrated peripherals
< 1332952468 325988 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supervisor password; user password; IDE HDD auto detection;
< 1332952476 608910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> elliott, this computer doesn't have internet connection, is that okay?
< 1332952479 243168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1332952483 261671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :save & exit setup; exit without saving
< 1332952498 517323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll be BIOS features perhaps.
< 1332952501 39161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Standard CMOS.
< 1332952506 328099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find something about boot order.
< 1332952507 86787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or...
< 1332952516 543502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be that the computer is so old it can't boot from CD.
< 1332952523 756524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the case, it'll still be possible, just a little trickier.
< 1332952603 602411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virus warning; CPU internal cache; external cache; CPU write allocate; quick power on self test; boot sequence; vga boot from; swap floppy drive;
< 1332952603 764115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot up floppy seek; boot up numlock status; boot up system speed
< 1332952603 764314 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gate a20 option; security option
< 1332952614 548051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCI/VGA palette snoop
< 1332952624 500961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS Select for DRAM > 64MB
< 1332952633 372094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDD S.M.A.R.T. capability
< 1332952642 432073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Report no FDD for Win 95
< 1332952646 811407 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video BIOS Shaddow
< 1332952657 527930 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a whole bunch of other shadows
< 1332952677 40122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm pretty sure it can boot from CD, otherwise the Windows 98 SE CD we have somewhere would be useless
< 1332952819 390677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boot sequence
< 1332952836 206294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, that came with a floppy to boot it, IIRC, although maybe I'm wrong
< 1332953182 524820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've definitely got a CD
< 1332953187 420052 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Windows fla
< 1332953188 214403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1332953189 656111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn
< 1332953193 367524 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought I had it
< 1332953293 834462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1332953365 239766 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Boot Sequence menu, I set it to "CDROM, A, C"
< 1332953369 191535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booted from C
< 1332953451 117610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you burn the debian cdrom
< 1332953458 608789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Ubuntu
< 1332953465 420489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the thing that popped up
< 1332953490 295940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onto the CD that had less than 650 MB memory
< 1332953565 617417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than what?
< 1332953568 638845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Memory"?
< 1332953593 616786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're 650 MB CDs
< 1332954371 444746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332954815 16345 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-187.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332954832 464292 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332956439 289707 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332956525 220470 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. TenFourFox started to hang on startup and grind my system to halt
< 1332956736 68578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does XFCE make it so hard to change the clock?
< 1332956783 222231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for� I have to use date to get it to acknowledge BST?
< 1332956796 768038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1332957015 974940 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People manually set clocks?
< 1332957036 876063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not people, but apparently phantom hoovers do
< 1332957216 299216 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332957319 212380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332957360 449182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1332957364 145834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1332957368 64853 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332957524 393474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RocketJSquirrel> People manually set clocks?
< 1332957538 13785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they inexplicably don't automatically set the hour forward or back, then yes.
< 1332957604 348045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have fun with that if you're running ntp
< 1332957622 469427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T WANT A TURING-COMPLETE DEVICE ON MY ARM *ignores cell phone and babbles incoherently.  wait, my cell phone also doesn't change automatically...*
< 1332957631 357584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it have done that automatically, then?
< 1332957666 77754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's also not turing complete
< 1332957680 773096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oerjan's phone has an infinite tape attached.
< 1332957688 538383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHO KNOWS IT MIGHT BE CONNECTED TO AN INFINITE MEMORY RUN BY THE CIA
< 1332957691 554121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(People keep stumbling over it.)
< 1332957733 224799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, incoherently babbling people don't know such details.
< 1332957886 696577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my phone had an infinite tape for TC-ness, it would have to move along it, because lightspeed prevents the tape from moving fast enough without getting cluttered because it won't know _which_ way to move because halting problem and lightspeed.
< 1332957933 873926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by cluttered i mean collapsing into a black hole, probably around my phone)
< 1332957981 319723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you oerjan. that was *almost* science
< 1332957988 727861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1332958100 641637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO PEOPLE COME INTO #HASKELL ASKING ABOUT WHAT MONADS ARE
< 1332958102 493742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REFUSE TO LEARN ANY HASKELL
< 1332958104 800763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND STILL EXPECT HELP
< 1332958113 33402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU! THIS IS #HASKELL!
< 1332958113 447791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332958116 333931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does lightspeed and relativity mean it _could_ move fast enough because length contraction
< 1332958129 862539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1332958140 698148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're a #haskell op right
< 1332958144 409941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please join and ban everyone
< 1332958158 247390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, the whole tape isn't moving just because you pull on it on one end
< 1332958181 508228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'd be assuming it had some kind of propulsion
< 1332958212 112579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tug-of-war at the two ends of the infinite tape.
< 1332958256 664513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the propulsion would travel at the speed of sound
< 1332958263 104566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically not at all
< 1332958293 46083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure oklopol knows what propulsion is.

< 1332958294 889583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the tape can, say, stretch twice as long everywhere, does it necessarily snap if you make the tm move really slow?
< 1332958303 361784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1332958332 931822 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed you just used some random word for the obvious physical way you would implement this
< 1332958350 351244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no.  tape with ion engines, that's the ticket.
< 1332958368 259637 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how _i_ usually implement infinite tapes at least.)
< 1332958372 38058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's that have the phone move along the tape, I'm sure oerjan won't have any reservations about going where the computation goes.
< 1332958411 34716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth is actually a speck of dust on a gigantic infinite tape
< 1332958415 608969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving along with a cell phone
< 1332958419 544780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a gigantic oerjan carrying it
< 1332958433 186587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAUSIBLE
< 1332958733 169211 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION engines

< 1332959064 85072 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0E2DC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332959193 207617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1332959227 669550 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332959262 831621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone is merely linear bounded :(
< 1332959636 71423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have a phone bound to a line, too
< 1332959828 122333 :cheater!~cheater@g230224005.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332959898 768571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Other than that, this channel's mostly normal <-- VILE SLANDER
< 1332960018 387793 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Hoover is the only person in Edinburgh I know, so I'm using him as a standard Edinburger
< 1332960026 33362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332960031 191953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all the Finns I've ever encountered are on this channel
< 1332960039 326637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I assume they're normal Finns
< 1332960048 724746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with Swedes and Norwegians, come to thing of it
< 1332960115 76639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IRC bots
< 1332960125 513463 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you're a normal fungot, right?
< 1332960125 771293 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mr president, thank you for your understanding.
< 1332960139 750791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, thank you, fungot.
< 1332960140 232928 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mr president, my dear friends, let us take it at its word... ( the president cut the speaker off)
< 1332960149 212521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1332960149 373893 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1332960157 686646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :off with his head
< 1332960167 334512 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld
< 1332960167 495664 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
< 1332960176 374558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, now you're normal, right?
< 1332960177 260533 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " just as well take his chances with a fnord carrying off a vasung woman a few hundred feet below she saw a patch of empty air. there wasn't much of a mess of beans cooking,' he said.
< 1332960192 803285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, oerjan, perfectly normal
< 1332960198 230613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1332960588 86332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches
< 1332960588 287622 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
< 1332960589 798142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is this NEW?
< 1332960592 478236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SPEECH.
< 1332960593 925917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1332960595 574623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: SPEECH.
< 1332960598 492611 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the first question, suddenly disappeared; and the question of the right honourable gentleman the secretary of state for india. in this manner with his connections, he is perfectly logical if there is a shout, among the greeks, in romance. froissart was our herodotus. italy was to europe what athens was to greece. in italy, and the uses of the influences of heaven itself are in that country. his words are fnord king or 
< 1332960605 59973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not new. It's not very good either.
< 1332960612 734227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz
< 1332960612 895405 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
< 1332960615 62366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Haps my friends.
< 1332960615 707205 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i i guess what, dromiceiomimus? i don't see a punchline, and that of all the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the shadows of the things that will e, or are they the sha
< 1332960619 631085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "(the president cut the speaker off)" bit.
< 1332960760 654298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another: REPEATER.
< 1332960858 116584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's the best UK ISP???
< 1332961173 733866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... Andrews & Arnold? 
< 1332961192 613236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Andrews & Arnold Ltd (also known as AAISP) is an Internet service provider based in Bracknell in the United Kingdom founded in 1997 and launched in 1998[1], primarily serving businesses and "technical" home users.[2]
< 1332961196 636391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2009 the company was judged the best niche provider in the Thinkbroadband Customer Service Awards, based on customer ratings.[3]
< 1332961200 132075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The company's owner, RevK, stated in a blog post that as of October 2010 the company is "XKCD/806" compliant, referring to XKCD comic number 806. This means that technical support callers who say the code word "shibboleet" will be transferred to a technical support representative who knows at least two programming languages, and presumably can offer more useful advice than a standard tech support script.[4][5]"
< 1332961217 788597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just picked the one not-completely-commercial sounding ISP that was mentioned on the UK paragraph of the IPv6 page.)
< 1332961228 45495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "commercial" == "for companies" in the above.
< 1332961249 745743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those are one of the ones I'm considering, yes.
< 1332961254 974406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the only IPv6 one I'm considering.)
< 1332961273 481981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about UK ISPs, so...
< 1332961278 444682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you're Finnish.
< 1332961336 696045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their usage-based pricing scheme seems slightly complicated to me.
< 1332961432 627158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit, yes.
< 1332961447 842215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, can cabal-install still only build packages using one cpu?
< 1332961467 387813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: the turing-complete pricing scheme
< 1332961519 997939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, the other ISPs I'm considering are Zen, Xilo, and if I'm feeling ~sellout~ Sky and O2 (both of which seem to be the least bad "commercialised" providers; Sky is cheap (7.50 pounds/mo) since we already have TV with them, and neither shapes or throttles torrent traffic).)
< 1332961530 287507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This will help fizzie advise me, as he is an expert on UK ISPs.)
< 1332961634 650215 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332961640 485353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/7872263/176315 suggests it is actually on its way somewhere, in some form
< 1332961645 915409 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332961653 225270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there's a patch
< 1332961654 223775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi SchrodingersCat
< 1332961655 799804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's not merged yt
< 1332961657 719592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet
< 1332961683 426845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, we had a building-management-company (I don't know the proper term; the "corporation" made out from people owning apartments in this building, that negotiates things like maintenance and utilities and whatever) meeting today, turns out the one ISP which asked whether they could FTTB the building, and got permission, actually never bothered. On the other hand, the other ISP (our current) who actually did fiber us up apparently didn't bother t
< 1332961689 401047 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, is (X==X++) true?
< 1332961702 985000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: it's undefined behavior.
< 1332961713 813055 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1332961731 334209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized my other computer (this one) had a woefully out-of-date haskell setup that required a bunch of annoying upgrades and cabal building, would've been almost instant if it could use more than one cpu
< 1332961737 763962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: Because: "Between the previous and next sequence point an object shall have its stored value modified at most once by the evaluation of an expression. Furthermore, the prior value shall be accessed only to determine the value to be stored."
< 1332961792 518455 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== is equality, not store
< 1332961799 730978 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-111.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332961803 647781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ is a store.
< 1332961807 668996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left side is an access that is not used to determine the value to be stored.
< 1332961866 718202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "didn't bother t"
< 1332961869 241948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(T=X,T==X++) with a suitably typed T is defined and likely to be true, though I suppose maybe not if X isnan.
< 1332961875 87384 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about (X=(X++)) ?
< 1332961881 29633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined behaviour
< 1332961882 570135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't bother to actually tell the company-doing-the-technical-maintenance-stuff-for-us that they were going to.
< 1332961884 117861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. invalid program)
< 1332961901 504774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchrodingersCat: x=x++ is almost the most canonical example of undefined behaviour due to the sequence point rule.
< 1332961908 56138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The problem with tech-savvy ISPs is that they're scary.
< 1332961915 313132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's much easier to talk to someone incompetent, you know?
< 1332961956 904517 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-187.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1332961986 838227 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "monple" sounds pretty good.
< 1332961989 473659 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "mople".
< 1332961990 287321 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1332962232 926072 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-148-111.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1332962250 85527 :SchrodingersCat!~lesidhe@ool-18b8b632.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332962254 823552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3.3: I've experimented with the code  int i = 3; i = i++;  on several compilers.  Some gave i the value 3, and some gave 4.  Which compiler is correct?"  "A: There is no correct answer; the expression is undefined.  See questions 3.1, 3.8, 3.9, and 11.33."
< 1332962259 619487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late. :/
< 1332962357 879151 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332962406 31403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is best: AAISP, Zen, or Xilo?
< 1332962555 466291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all have their pros and cons.  Xilo sounds like a Linux bootloader the most, but it also has some vaguely scientologey Xenu connotations.  Zen is just one letter from "zem", but it's *also* not far from Xenu.  Finally, AAISP turns all your website graphics into ascii art using AAlib.
< 1332962691 896321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1332962694 578203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay away from AIISP, it's trying to take over the world.
< 1332962708 370808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about Sky? How does THAT fit into the picture?
< 1332962714 282436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :N.B. appending "net" will be boring.
< 1332962753 101579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use those, they tend to terminate you at the slightest provocation.
< 1332962889 676797 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those? Quick googling did't reveal anything worth a value
< 1332962897 546205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: UK ISPs.
< 1332962910 352007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, how do the kids call it: "switching".
< 1332962934 571340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sky is Blue.
< 1332962947 16549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks. That's the most helpful yet.
< 1332962983 4584 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++
< 1332962985 323631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like being Red, except about a 120 degrees to the left.
< 1332962994 73531 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time I need to make a decision, I'll possibly ask fizzie about it.
< 1332963003 321781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Does Google run JS?
< 1332963004 136947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx
< 1332963035 16443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait why does elliott even control his household broadband,.
< 1332963064 55599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't _really_ think a 16 year old can be that smart, do you?
< 1332963082 676353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WASN'T THAT SMART AT MY AGE
< 1332963082 875551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, elliott is 16? 
< 1332963093 479916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THAT AGE
< 1332963097 830492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You... forgot?
< 1332963117 682244 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's been saying that he's 16 for several years now, fizzie. How could you forget?
< 1332963125 529887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously he's really 34.
< 1332963141 98342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oerjan is a teenager.
< 1332963145 270986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's quite easy to control the broadband supplier if you have a monopoly on tech support.
< 1332963147 73405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just mean, last time I recall it being discussed, a while ago, it was something like one. Or maybe minus one. Anyway, less than that.
< 1332963156 198213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had a few birthdays.
< 1332963168 943365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you must have! What, four per year or something? 
< 1332963175 165302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332963176 540914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know a guy in real life whose dad is an IT security specialist.
< 1332963179 606591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had five yesterday.
< 1332963187 431841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That guy probably does not control his broadband supplier.
< 1332963194 752355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC he can't even torrent with his home connection.
< 1332963200 438427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1332963205 205058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a guy in real life whose dad is a PROFESSOR OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
< 1332963211 870645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the current supplier wants a new 12 month contract signed.
< 1332963216 79701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't have much to do with anything
< 1332963217 89807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they let slip that we have ADSL2 now.
< 1332963221 7185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, fuck them.
< 1332963255 132692 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332963281 84578 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSL is the devil.
< 1332963299 987736 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What did I do to deserve elliott's wrath?
< 1332963342 783633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> I guess you must have! What, four per year or something? 
< 1332963360 613444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly fizzie, you're confusing old person years with proper years.
< 1332963363 871978 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is wrong with ADSLZ
< 1332963378 100280 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSLZ is OK.
< 1332963381 377783 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ADSL
< 1332963397 288356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The A is what's wrong with it.
< 1332963397 449884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was sort of the primus motor for our "Personal EUnet" dialup in... 1996? Though strictly as an advising party.
< 1332963441 202167 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie ≟ monqy
< 1332963443 989184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, VDSL2 is a lot better; it's equally asymmetric, but at least it doesn't have that unsightly A.
< 1332963444 150654 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate android onscreen keyboard.Too easy to make typos
< 1332963446 474612 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332963504 976994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀DSL, the universal DSL.
< 1332963605 491619 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with surfing the net using HSCSD?
< 1332963789 880836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you're very patient? 
< 1332963833 155488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess depending on contracts and such possibly you may also need to be rich.
< 1332963918 34311 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSCSD is circuit switched data over GSM networks, preceding the packed switched GPRS
< 1332963950 906174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1332963957 522112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for that information, i'm sure fizzie didn't know
< 1332963969 404815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not exactly fast (thus patient), and might cost a lot more than GPRS (thus rich).
< 1332963996 48201 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332964053 378815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall someone saying with his GSM contract, HSCSD was a lot cheaper than packet data, though.
< 1332964078 608136 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have unlimited calls with fixed price and HSCSD is counted as normal call
< 1332964165 661542 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :People that know what it means usualy give me weird looks when I explain to them that my Nokia 9210 is connecting using HSCSD
< 1332964189 235108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something like that. It doesn't always count as a regular call, though; it didn't in some pre-GPRS days.
< 1332964218 445156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this five-day forecast for Helsinki is saying that it's going to be 32700°C "warm" starting from Saturday.
< 1332964261 992473 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sun starting to expand already?
< 1332964297 149910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, that *is* warm.
< 1332964327 440184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the time when I went to the UV rave, fell asleep, and dreamt of lambda calculus?
< 1332964333 888677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sun/cloud/rain/whatever icon is also the broken picture image.
< 1332964360 523407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you should evacuate.
< 1332964362 939684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone slapped me really hard
< 1332964367 831831 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't feel a thing
< 1332964374 274273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was completely sober)
< 1332964379 508136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, "sober".
< 1332964383 38010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but asleep)
< 1332964383 702196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they probably swapped it with the alderaan forecast
< 1332964397 61656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah, that was a long time ago
< 1332964510 245355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Y-1000000000 error?
< 1332964549 661490 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332964562 615576 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
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< 1332964627 783470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mind you if 32700°C is itself an overflow error, you may want to prepare for -68°C temperature
< 1332964724 950590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did warn about cold nights, earlier.
< 1332964735 932616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 72 degrees fahrenheit -> degrees celsius
< 1332964750 391526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "fahrenheit". \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Warning: undefined symbol "fahrenheit". \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Unconvertable expression: \   1.2566370614359172952 fahrenheit (undefined symbol) -> 0.017453292519943295767 celsius (undefined symbol)
< 1332964764 736314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sanetemp 72
< 1332964767 760457 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sanetemp: not found
< 1332964772 406155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1332964775 511011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sanetemp 72
< 1332964776 286422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not how you do temp conevrsions with frink
< 1332964777 213059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conversions
< 1332964778 240880 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :22.2
< 1332964779 542257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the conversion isn't linear
< 1332964795 561700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHATEVER
< 1332964797 479984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink F[72] -> C
< 1332964807 685437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :22.22222222222222222
< 1332964827 951723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awfully precise
< 1332964833 742755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or imprecise
< 1332964841 545340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on your point of view
< 1332964857 315690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _is_ an exact conversion factor, so...
< 1332964888 47676 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the long stream of 2
< 1332964888 738820 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1332964903 201671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Speaking of weather, our Norway trip is fast approaching, while you people are being all "men i øyeblikket ser det ut for at Lofoten får snøpåske". I don't want to drive in snow. :/
< 1332965014 401646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough luck
< 1332965035 304822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you, I don't know, do something about it? Turn up the heat or something? 
< 1332965095 473666 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does snøpåske mean. I think snø means snow, but what does påske mean?
< 1332965124 265433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter.
< 1332965125 443909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope.
< 1332965181 183813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ISP expert: I forget, is there any reason to go for an LLUing ISP over one that doesn't if they're otherwise equal? ISTR that the LLU lines are generally less crappy.
< 1332965230 161172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a thing. :(
< 1332965392 335386 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1332965429 944264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, påske is this time when we close norway for foreigners because we want all the snow to ourselves.  sorry.
< 1332965461 417397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that sounds feasible, though I really don't know. I mean, it sounds like more of an administrative/policy thing than an actual technical difference.
< 1332965497 195313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know, I know. I just hear all about "oh, so-and-so-big-ISP's BT services are absolutely awful, traffic shaping and all of that, but nobody on LLU complains".
< 1332965572 444182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's certainly possible. But I hope you're not expecting anything more useful than the sky-is-blue comment.
< 1332965666 572007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's the secret: I AM
< 1332965769 334983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, here's something. If you get a LLU thing, and then laugh a lot, you'll get a natural high. Since you're going all HA and LLU. At least that's the word at the water cooler. (Isn't that a thing they say? I think that's a thing they say.)
< 1332965802 674574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAlleLLUjah
< 1332965821 677239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1332965825 288457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332965827 210490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALLU
< 1332966134 142577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, I provide an alternative male perspective
< 1332966141 71401 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332966216 599718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332966229 302917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's just what the girls say to be polite
< 1332966251 195648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in my school report
< 1332966268 522396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i..c
< 1332966380 937310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an alternative male perspective
< 1332966387 189577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't offer an alternative male perspective
< 1332966452 589828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's because I'm the only male in a class studying Ovid's Amores
< 1332966713 747146 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332966881 884203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you explain sheep?
< 1332966940 506397 :cheater!~cheater@g230224005.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1332966991 596726 :cheater!~cheater@g230224005.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332967029 462114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1332967035 148377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to recall he once was the only male in a dancing class.  there was another one, but he dropped out.

< 1332967055 254482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This could be the first piece of music I've heard and actively disliked in MONTHS
< 1332967199 74701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whats th best uk isp
< 1332967205 318843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may even give it a thumbs down on Youtube
< 1332967243 617394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh NO
< 1332967364 755748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: virgin, because space.
< 1332967376 327127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1332967379 828768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wah
< 1332967380 317272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1332967444 779238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As someone with significant interest in BA, go with virgin
< 1332967467 963611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) virgin is a uk isp (2) virgin is a spaceflight company (3) ALL YOUR OBJECTIONS TO (1) AND (2) ARE IRRELEVANT
< 1332967506 35301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) virgin is an airline
< 1332967512 42371 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) virgin is a bank
< 1332967526 61718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5) virgin is a mobile network
< 1332967528 382416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) IS ALREADY TAKEN YOU DOLT
< 1332967533 724907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://revk.www.me.uk/2012/03/getting-out-of-hand.html I like AAISP's style, complaining about their problem customers on a blog
< 1332967545 727456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6) now there are three threes
< 1332967558 429220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1332967600 698844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://revk.www.me.uk/2012/03/levelling.html
< 1332967612 646480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Talk me out of buying internet service from a company managed by someone who plays WoW.
< 1332967618 971404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is going to be so difficult for you
< 1332967625 492506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is too funny im sory
< 1332967634 274109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also an XKCD fan, right? 
< 1332967688 402171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good counterargument
< 1332967693 72238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://revk.www.me.uk/2012/03/bad-timing.html Also complaining about his brother complaining about his ISP's service on his blog.
< 1332967695 716339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I legitimately love this
< 1332967733 767892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it goes, you join because he's a geek just to find he's actually drepper.
< 1332967752 655150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1332967782 984665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION good with FUD

< 1332967804 626048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that like "a drepper"? 
< 1332967815 105971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a noun like that.
< 1332967815 267596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat
< 1332967837 289512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drepper dreper
< 1332967851 836674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the carpets match the drepper? 
< 1332967872 394321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're blood red, so yes
< 1332967893 175472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: that's blood as in die, not dye)
< 1332967969 273895 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95591.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332968029 546779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there's a list of most frightening real geeks somewhere

< 1332968095 258504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you figure out this LLU thing? :(
< 1332968385 446209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you get a "techie" ISP it works better if they get more unfettered access to deliver your bits instead of just purchasing bit-delivery services (using their DSLAMs and whatever) from whoever does your local telephone lines badly. But who am I to know? Does your area get any fancy FTT<something>s? 
< 1332968417 997780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://revk.www.me.uk/2010/09/copyright.html seems rather disturbing
< 1332968510 41409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lmao
< 1332968524 469359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think we're meant to get FTTCabinet sometime "soon".
< 1332968531 390755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's kind of: rural.
< 1332968536 523032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What ISP do *you* use?
< 1332968546 597069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst one
< 1332968549 602276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on.
< 1332968560 579523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, "whoever"? It's just BT.
< 1332968561 532838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If TalkTalk's an ISP, then that one
< 1332968571 490752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ew.
< 1332968576 922148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Condolences.
< 1332968585 439321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appreciated
< 1332968664 838062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332968741 875099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll go with either Sky, AAISP or Zen.
< 1332968791 109835 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sky as in bSKYb?
< 1332968840 926961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *BSkyB, yes. They're cheap since we already have their TV service, and don't throttle or shape traffic.
< 1332968850 891505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're the only big ISP I'm considering.
< 1332968866 249740 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1332968891 203880 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I don't like them is the same reason I don't like the Times, and I read the Tiems
< 1332968900 509243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/iem/ime/
< 1332968916 860490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that reason: News Corporation?
< 1332968939 967552 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1332968943 101147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it happens
< 1332968987 346410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid of huge multi-faceted corporations
< 1332968992 537784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still use them
< 1332969001 600774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because imagine not using them
< 1332969136 175594 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1332969158 799943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons &  Dragons there was a maze of walls that you can stand on top of; below that is a hole. There is a light in one place, and is otherwise too dark to see the entire maze. Luckily the maze had no illusions and was not rotating! (I suggested next time he make up the campaign with the maze that is also rotating and has illusions in it.)
< 1332969167 323470 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332969529 422538 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332969741 260135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be have targets for loss and latency and jitter in their network making it clear that they are prepared to operate an uncongested network. BT do not."
< 1332970140 827525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently A&A bill... lunarly.
< 1332970141 887549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lunar monthly: Invoices are issued each full moon for the period to the day before the next full moon. Prices are based on 97% of our monthly rate for each lunar cycle."
< 1332970160 623868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For lunar billing, lunar months are considered 29 or 30 days based the full moon being the first day of the lunar month, and so each day is 1/29th or 1/30th of its lunar cycle."
< 1332970189 173863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunar billing?
< 1332970200 435049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently!
< 1332970317 40927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1332970324 256655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a clear pro in my book.
< 1332970325 51636 :larsrh!~lars@unaffiliated/larsrh JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332970381 591022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the 97%-per-lunar-cycle a better or a worse deal than a calendar month price in the long run? 
< 1332970383 639366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome larsrh
< 1332970387 19836 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :larsrh: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1332970430 427591 :larsrh!~lars@unaffiliated/larsrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi folks
< 1332970559 795232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of counting the days, you could change it to payment at every new moon, which allows you to use a chart like this one to determine when to pay:   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/chinese-new-year.png
< 1332970593 800319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't like how much less you get in peak time, though. That's pretty much the only thing keeping me from going with AAISP. :(
< 1332970644 326173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A unit gets you 2.5 gigs 9am-6pm mon-fri but 50 gigs at all other times except 2am-6am which is 1000 gigs.)
< 1332970650 958868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's... a bit weird.)
< 1332970827 986732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you set the harmonic factor to 2, then the lines will cross at both the full moon and at the new moon. But if you could instead plot Moon+180 degrees in a harmonic factor 1, the lines would cross at only the full moon, but Astrolog has no such feature.
< 1332970895 653397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's weird, right? :'(
< 1332971508 422159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound kinda weird, yes.
< 1332971730 624602 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the timed exposure feature of Astrolog to plot both the first harmonic and second harmonic in different colors on the same page.
< 1332971740 426094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you lend me some of your Finnish gigabytes/
< 1332971741 881614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1332971866 642374 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.189 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1332972019 848585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blaaaar.
< 1332972034 313474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obla da bloor
< 1332972049 880856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmph.
< 1332972088 318410 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1332972208 885157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phnim harum, ph.
< 1332972222 46173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asjopd
< 1332972248 238621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jehosafat
< 1332972280 389363 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1332972415 254785 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1332972468 948569 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332973066 694877 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332973331 6101 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Microcosm works on Cygwin >: )
< 1332973445 243668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1332973447 114209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: lol
< 1332973450 581565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: which is best uk isp thx
< 1332973479 575502 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google worst uk isp
< 1332973482 758246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php/30936-The-worst-UK-ISP-we-ve-come-across-Lumison
< 1332973483 491173 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whichever one is an overseas subsidiary of AOL.
< 1332973484 327852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use that one.
< 1332973561 607018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: AOL.
< 1332973590 645688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GBOL
< 1332973601 8491 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so great about Britain, anyway?
< 1332973630 407818 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great's just there to distinguish it from not so great britain
< 1332973651 507591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Britain
< 1332973738 465321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitain
< 1332973760 938215 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Which Britain does elliott live in?
< 1332973786 953315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham
< 1332973832 637284 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1332973838 959324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi
< 1332973848 95141 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is the most fun person to say "hi" to.
< 1332974117 744127 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332974231 992178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's the best UK ISP?
< 1332974245 755387 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no clue
< 1332974263 555975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google best uk isp
< 1332974265 844489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ispreview.co.uk/
< 1332974266 32940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: ISPreview UK - Top ISP Internet Service Provider Information Site
< 1332974296 913706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already using that site. :'(
< 1332974321 767726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to go with AAISP, but that peak time unit allowance is just awful.
< 1332974355 877731 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: setgid: Operation not permitted
< 1332974356 712659 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1332974370 81983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google bestest uk isp
< 1332974372 434961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/guides/choosing-an-isp
< 1332974372 622284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: BBC - WebWise - What’s the best internet service provider (ISP) for me?
< 1332974383 499629 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The BBC is good, right?
< 1332974391 405763 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google bbc
< 1332974393 536434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/
< 1332974393 722148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: BBC News - Home
< 1332974406 898660 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Broadcasting Corporation.
< 1332974409 180918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Britain is it?
< 1332974459 429792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You didn't answer me :'(
< 1332975330 179035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can you buy me some units?
< 1332975381 590686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's units
< 1332975408 932411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :units
< 1332975455 968871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous plans to shut down The Internet on Saturday to protest SOPA (pastebin.com)
< 1332975470 942567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymous plans to DESTROY ENTIRE PLANET to protest sopa
< 1332975488 760581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymous plans to DECONSTRUCT ALL MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE to protest sopa
< 1332975553 761645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha
< 1332975554 142807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332975554 582772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1332975565 354191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they plan to shut the internet down by ddosing the root servers
< 1332975636 435332 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my Chinese New Year chart? You can make up a chart like this for other years too.
< 1332975862 252993 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, why is it trying to use 't as a function?
< 1332975871 736288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: WHAT IS THE BEST UK ISP
< 1332975879 972461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root servers need a stress test anyway, for when someone _really_ malicious shows up.
< 1332975977 47917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok i know you're a bit slow being norwegian and all but the joke is that the root servers are literally being constantly ddosed forever hth please let me know if there is any further misunderstanding
< 1332976034 540283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid nowrwerioengans
< 1332976043 825771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i heard Mathnerd314 uses windows
< 1332976078 671465 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I'm too lazy to install something else
< 1332976099 751845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your edit to [[Deadfish]] made the instructions *harder* to read...
< 1332976150 224864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay!
< 1332976197 626511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey if anonymous manages to ddos them noticeably more, more power to them!
< 1332976259 78774 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the average function name length in this stack trace is 41k
< 1332976579 265768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which isp thx
< 1332976581 969410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which isp thx
< 1332976640 500692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try some more smaller things before expecting a metacircular lisp evaluator to work :)
< 1332976658 271266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: conglomerated limited obfuscated great old transsubstantial communications unlimited
< 1332976700 676338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so... BSkyB?
< 1332976728 259667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLY
< 1332976746 973656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if Murdoch's involved...
< 1332976755 814139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :running my existing test suite of lisp expressions through the (compiled) metacircular evaluator gave me 0 passed tests...
< 1332976912 135289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this deadfish table better?
< 1332976924 50312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: XKCD is lowercase. also i saw it before you said that
< 1332976936 722873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok its upeprcase too)
< 1332976942 435227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but lwoerowercoiajsoerjiojoajiser is beter ? ) (  * (  )
< 1332977001 748758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have not changed the case of that
< 1332977027 168749 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332977112 877948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine
< 1332977221 416085 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1332977441 128078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the XKCD variation of Deadfish because it allows to make it working in dc, which is probably not what the person who invented the XKCD variation was thinking of anyways.
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< 1332980021 278998 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicrocosm
< 1332980578 411596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like
< 1332980578 965964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1332980580 75163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rocosm
< 1332980634 966219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ha
< 1332980662 750217 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN
< 1332980669 254488 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't compile GCC 4.7 on Mac.
< 1332980745 27352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: More like ShitroCC
< 1332980755 556170 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to argue with that logic.
< 1332980858 526974 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a stupid idea yesterday.. target bash with gcc 
< 1332980961 62073 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1332980996 549172 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay whatever key combo that was I need to disable
< 1332981081 2160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: More like shitrogic.
< 1332981099 578733 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that problem with my plan was I'd have to figure out how to handle libraries 
< 1332981107 395621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|- shitrX
< 1332981189 437459 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wonder if bash imposes any arbitrary limits that would mess me up
< 1332981190 899145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shitroerjan
< 1332981206 618857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332981207 313358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 29 01:33:29
< 1332981244 395542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1332981245 261830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Mar 29 02:33:41 2012
< 1332981250 932401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa oerjan is in a yaer
< 1332981251 788544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not
< 1332981301 86571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's it like in 2012
< 1332981304 366126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the best uk isp is yet
< 1332981308 301872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: boring
< 1332981311 510420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332981314 726943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for monqy is Wed Mar 28 17:34:49 2012
< 1332981323 475805 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being in a year sure is swell
< 1332981347 723309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hear it might pick up around december.
< 1332981359 247303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does monqy know what the best uk isp is yet
< 1332981366 886340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1332981380 433912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that ...dun dun dun... _no one_ knows
< 1332981384 661858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may very well be a mystery of life
< 1332981440 691425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the best uk isp is eternal oblivion
< 1332981502 543637 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1332981580 933447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how is breathing accomplished 
< 1332981584 854721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $/  /
< 1332981634 643733 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332981642 60776 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lungs help
< 1332981646 782161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont have those
< 1332981649 178224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are my options
< 1332981651 399550 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1332981674 247918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered getting a robot to breathe for you
< 1332981710 895790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the robot be you
< 1332981748 246002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i have to breathe for myself
< 1332981783 719247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also try gills
< 1332981847 91170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how
< 1332981909 488690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you attack them to your bloodstream, i think, and then you swim underwater
< 1332981921 805337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*attach
< 1332981998 209979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1332981999 486695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas water
< 1332982002 677986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whersze
< 1332982005 929554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whence
< 1332982007 409955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wherefore
< 1332982011 662923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*war
< 1332982124 432307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi, i heard that obsession of the man is one of the most unknown and frightful phenomena, which stops evolutionary development of the man and brings its to full spiritual (and often to physical) death.
< 1332982171 487787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is correct.
< 1332982215 352142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the "unknown" part, we now have a successful parascientific theory to explain it.
< 1332982221 273024 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck the Cygwin DLL is C++ X_X
< 1332982231 45571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.odkk.ru/aura/5b_en.gif
< 1332982241 309294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a tshirt with that on
< 1332982241 940295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332982242 570385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 29 01:50:44
< 1332982248 660489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikse
< 1332982284 566336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tshirt with a rotating picture would be something.
< 1332982321 308751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive always wanted innovation. In my life. obsession of the man is one of the most unknown and frightful phenomena, which stops evolutionary development of the man and brings its to full spiritual (and often to physical) death.
< 1332982370 553720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit impossible to die, one thinks
< 1332982423 34517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what happened to jenga.
< 1332982483 200520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know this jenga of which you speak.
< 1332982516 797063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is some informatione. http://en.wikipedia.org.uk.net.ua/wiki/Jenga http://en.odkk.ru/
< 1332982527 963029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleez believ.
< 1332982542 507692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR FOOLE
< 1332982581 13387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha link no lod
< 1332982619 497704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVE TO ARABIA AND DON THE COAT OF A NIGHT OR YOU WILL SUFFER AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN :) hes your friend
< 1332982623 29618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1332982659 33675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a cow and he started in films so ig uess you could say he was a "moo"vie star
< 1332982688 459902 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was a cow
< 1332982699 458925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1332982704 344147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was
< 1332982705 712441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cow
< 1332982706 623461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1332982710 200783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :far too long a co
< 1332982710 535497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1332982768 608141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1332982787 50525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332982787 757332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 29 01:59:49
< 1332982791 931130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cow stop plan
< 1332982908 117298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsi mposible
< 1332982950 447558 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1332982977 518396 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean the cows will go
< 1332982981 382163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever ???
< 1332983160 445940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will go
< 1332983161 722991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for too long
< 1332983201 692369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1332983202 312508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 29 02:06:44
< 1332983213 370968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to do my monthly vulcan prayer, let me know if the dam breaks
< 1332983218 597415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: what is the best UK ISP?
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< 1332987401 197993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr '\''
< 1332987402 53318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1332987402 240365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1332987409 53284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '\''
< 1332987409 868510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  39
< 1332988258 867686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332988539 559977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Wikipedia add a sister project for original research?
< 1332988731 452242 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1332988754 94280 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :Client Quit
< 1332989142 394695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [[Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download]] seems similar to [[Bruijndejx]] in some ways? Is it? (Except that Bruijndejx uses I/O actions instead of being like Lazy-K)
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< 1332993325 910748 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MSleep
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< 1332995133 512086 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's writing thing on this channel please!!!!
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< 1332997350 425745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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< 1333000417 703030 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen pikhq_
< 1333000417 950242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1333000439 832422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has @seen worked in years
< 1333000450 633483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1333000456 831509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But preflex isn't in here.
< 1333000761 152735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: seen pikhq_ around? 
< 1333000761 797319 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's me, dude! i know enough to come to your house, dromiceiomimus, i was going outside! i don't have a very good imagination for that sort of like, a can of food long since unidentifiable... dromiceiomimus and a house and a car in my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen and on my kitchen 
< 1333000794 228117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think e might be on fungot's kitchen.
< 1333000794 411543 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the " hey did i overhear that we're talking?
< 1333000839 651931 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB4D7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333000890 693415 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can stars darken the horizon?
< 1333001171 765611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by collapsing into black holes, hth
< 1333001190 387999 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB4D7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1333001204 947272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1333001306 964442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made horizontal packaging work in Graphics.DVI now. And then I will make vertical packaging, and page breaks, and paragraphs.
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< 1333005823 303430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333005849 401668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a new word recently
< 1333005864 941982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's missing from English, and I've been needing to use it a lot
< 1333005986 357830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, bird is the word?
< 1333005993 19422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splorg, clearly
< 1333006094 732646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've been writing it down as "provice"
< 1333006099 432715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although really, syntax is so unimportant
< 1333006151 742022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't think ais523 would be pro-vice

< 1333006152 552736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the meaning is to either have some abstract property (typically an ability), or to be capable of making something with that property
< 1333006206 331383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a generalisation of "provide"
< 1333006507 647856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded of latin causative verbs, in which case he thinks it would be provise/provisate or so

< 1333006598 871109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that the term...
< 1333006724 324125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i'm actually thinking of frequentative
< 1333007158 884326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Latin word "facere" has a reasonably similar meaning, it's closer than anything in English
< 1333007465 436837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or german machen, i think
< 1333007498 677100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i recall that somewhat merges en:do/make / no:gjøre/lage)
< 1333008117 5549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are words that English lacks, I know that.
< 1333008186 249683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
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< 1333009274 395220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: I've traced the random hangs individual programs on this computer have been getting to Compiz, although I'm not sure what specifically it's doing wrong
< 1333009284 877814 :larsrh!~lars@unaffiliated/larsrh PART :#esoteric
< 1333009289 502450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Emacs perl-mode and cperl-mode both suck for editing Perl (for different reasons), and I'm trying Kate perl-mode at the moment
< 1333009293 193656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has issues of its own
< 1333009307 18157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (apart from not supporting 5.10 syntax) seem Kate-specific rather than mode-specific
< 1333011130 836200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chick tract "Bewitched" has a picture of a Ouija board with two letters missing, someone juggling drugs (including pills and syringes), a "Astrology Sales" bar chart with at least three things wrong (the title is covering up the data, there is no vertical axis label, and there is nothing saying what the astrological signs on the horizontal axis correspond to)... but every Chick tract has things wrong with it...
< 1333011237 479775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another one, the sun, moon, earth, stars, are just thrown into space by God, and they are all the same size, and the illuminated part of the moon is the side opposite to the sun
< 1333011541 24623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chick tract "Dark Dungeons" had a footnote attached to the words "occult books", containing: "Including C.S.Lewis and Tolkien, both of which can be found in occult bookstores."  The footnote was removed from later versions, including the one currently on the web.
< 1333011753 321534 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have seen the mention of the version containing that footnote.
< 1333011821 709399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bewitched is hilarious. They have a business meeting about how their world takeover is progressing, all about high-level stuff like One World Government and whatnot, and then out of the blue that one dude goes "I have a very serious trouble spot! I have a praying grandmother... who's fasting. It's out of control!"
< 1333011849 359150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1333011856 938660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what they call attention to detail, but *still*. A single praying grandmother.
< 1333011957 433798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says that dragons were eventually renamed to dinosaurs
< 1333012000 252222 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also dissections where they make various comments on each page, although they don't always mention everything.
< 1333012041 500414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark Dungeons has had quite a few parody versions made, too.
< 1333012072 886345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have seen some of the parody versions too
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< 1333012431 481300 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode has had no work for four years!
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< 1333013638 539185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall seeing also a fan page for Fang, the dog that quite often appears.
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< 1333014390 213198 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noticed that.
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< 1333015701 391158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, there are 1050577 files in my home directory. That sounds a bit much.
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< 1333015728 358930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow
< 1333015748 5849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that is when counting all subdirectories, I mean.
< 1333015752 198651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -a1 | wc -l
< 1333015753 543427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :394
< 1333015755 41437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1333015767 831677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A million files in one directory would be somewhat unmanageable.
< 1333015773 657513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was in ~, but I missed the ~ in my copy)
< 1333015822 886237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd take quite a long time to count that
< 1333015827 18867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing, I mean
< 1333015851 803520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before now to find out which files are using up too much disk space (gigabytes for stuff I don't care about), because I've been running low
< 1333015863 674543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes I have large files I do care about but which I don't access often, so I store them on another partition
< 1333015868 384695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's listed in the rdiff-backup-data/session_statistics.<timestamp>.data file on the backup.
< 1333015900 284219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "df -i" can tell it if there's a separate /home and no other users; and "quota -v" if quota tracking is enabled.)
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< 1333027002 9551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1333027420 542460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1333027490 812551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you require help!?
< 1333027517 423587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1333027518 652029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
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< 1333027745 210918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:G-d Is this really permissible?
< 1333027755 714780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1333027813 940777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I can't look at it for just over a week)
< 1333027841 691124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a template whose contents are "God", intended to be used as {{subst:g-d}} by people whose religious beliefs prohibit them from directly typing "God".
< 1333027853 235371 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1333027859 437502 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i had a dog, i’d name him D-g.
< 1333027859 599000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't see how that's any different from, e.g. copy-pasting it in from elsewhere, which surely isn't permissible either.
< 1333027890 54077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you a theologist?
< 1333027893 779032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like keyboards existed in Biblical times -- if the threshold for indirectness is that low, surely the fact that keyboards go through a bunch of electrical signals and translation on the way to the text box would make typing "God" permissible too?
< 1333027902 210335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No. Did you really have to ask?
< 1333027907 515431 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1333027939 887437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as you're younger than me, and from a similar background, and are asking about theology in what is officially a programming channel
< 1333027947 605673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about typing it, key-press-wise, as "d<right-arrow>o<right-arrow>G"? 
< 1333027953 421629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's a technology-ish question!
< 1333027958 876161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm -- I think it might be intended for writing articles, rather than in conversation.
< 1333027970 331673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see the rules being more lenient there, since you aren't talking to someone, or something.
< 1333028023 837970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the page is not opening to me. Perhaps G-d does not want to show emself to me.
< 1333028078 431658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"G-d dammit", as they say.
< 1333028092 996172 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn’t open for me either.
< 1333028094 237666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the Wikipeds are slow for me too.
< 1333028101 440030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might be having: technical difficulties.
< 1333028125 460543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it loads. But without CSS.
< 1333028130 23811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It = Wikipedia in general.)
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< 1333028496 864467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yor going to explode,
< 1333028524 420022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How eloquent.
< 1333028792 43267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Im not a fish. ok.
< 1333028807 961446 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understood
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< 1333029088 393969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, anyone: what's the file extension for a Makefile fragment?
< 1333029135 523672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .mk or .make
< 1333029144 163968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK
< 1333029153 187457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: arguably, .make is better, otherwise mk(1) would have nothing to use
< 1333029158 571204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think .mk is slightly more common
< 1333029160 230366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out an appropriate extension for something that serves the same purpose but isn't actually being run by make
< 1333029164 189158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno though
< 1333029175 790252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1333029176 465619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another PHP upgrade
< 1333029179 504847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for Esolang to break, everyone
< 1333029188 453991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first result was apparently from gcc, which uses leading t- and x- for them
< 1333029190 29489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is silly
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< 1333029228 668403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know the best thing about Esolang's server setup?
< 1333029233 59570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I start the PHP daemon, I get
< 1333029234 820428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/php5-fpm: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6c91778 ***
< 1333029234 981907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :======= Backtrace: =========
< 1333029235 143436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(+0x6e221)[0xb6e6c221]
< 1333029235 143630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(+0x6fa88)[0xb6e6da88]
< 1333029235 143740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x6d)[0xb6e70b3d]
< 1333029235 695872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/sbin/php5-fpm(destroy_zend_class+0x228)[0x83192a8]
< 1333029238 681077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a big memory map
< 1333029242 898947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it somehow starts anyway
< 1333029245 43317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works fine
< 1333029245 280599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1333029251 213443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be a launcher script crashing on exit
< 1333029259 282809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-frees have a tendency to happen then
< 1333029265 243235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a launcher script written in C?
< 1333029272 287944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is /PHP/
< 1333029276 992279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they write everything they can in C, you know
< 1333029278 237703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it even says that it failed
< 1333029278 868139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for speed
< 1333029284 560468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the daemon gets started anyway
< 1333029289 364445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1333029289 706510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1333029317 794587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, C isn't all that implausible, if it couldn't sensibly be written in PHP (due to chicken-and-egg problems)
< 1333029334 122189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, so far: aimake can figure out how to build makedefs when pointed at the NiceHack source
< 1333029341 59768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no configuration
< 1333029349 213461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need some config to tell it what to /do/ with it, though :)
< 1333029394 844673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives you nice output explaining why it couldn't build something, which is pretty interesting
< 1333029396 678025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of upside-down from most build systems
< 1333029428 657474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll use .aimk
< 1333029440 804440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely to be taken, and has the right sort of implications
< 1333029542 950185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.lawrence
< 1333029570 834630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1333029582 821557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333029712 460018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Perl actually has a standard-shipped-with-Perl module that, among other things, will tell you things like the extension that executables use on the current OS
< 1333029764 739725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because /its/ build system needs to know, and it remembers from then
< 1333029782 899367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be disappointed if this build system doesn't eventually run on VMS

< 1333029982 439543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's cheating to depend on perl's build system
< 1333029987 1900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if perl switches to your system?
< 1333029996 210937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it'll still work
< 1333029997 642326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrapping
< 1333029999 755283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333030003 768607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awful
< 1333030008 171237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my system requires Perl to run, and thus would be a bad idea for Perl's build system
< 1333030008 508305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't be able to cross-compile, anyway
< 1333030027 644750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't going to actually use them, probably
< 1333030045 626918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to use the one that records the OS that Perl was built for, for use as the default OS if no other is specified
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< 1333031319 18083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone added another example to [[fork bomb]] already
< 1333031320 98852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1333031324 985976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be a full-time job
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< 1333031472 888603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've put together what I believe are the final changes for this release, and I think I went with all of your recommended changes." YESSSSSSSS, MY POWER CONTINUES TO GROW STRONGER
< 1333031875 915344 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1333032671 859213 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f2ef.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1333032708 455242 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f2ef.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333033126 591500 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333033419 757985 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1333033451 909660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1333033483 312155 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1333033487 85790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lambdabot?
< 1333033491 40460 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappoint.
< 1333033595 603900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333033903 56380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333033904 111047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333034673 282922 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333034686 342140 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am coming,now
< 1333034756 535551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333034791 133604 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333034858 326136 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to meet you
< 1333034916 699690 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,what are you doing,now
< 1333034940 82187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking on irc
< 1333034999 937188 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it now?
< 1333035057 981875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333035059 198656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 29 16:31:00
< 1333035159 726198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1333035172 354494 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for me is 23:32
< 1333035178 774809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1333035187 982332 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1333035227 375633 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who likes iphone
< 1333035281 39186 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No�ne.
< 1333035294 916574 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a Iphone4s spent 5000 yuan
< 1333035313 426970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a yuan
< 1333035320 745662 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333035324 395159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean yawn
< 1333035342 18393 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :China's money
< 1333035349 197005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you chinese?
< 1333035368 182261 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 dollars =8 yuan
< 1333035392 981530 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be this
< 1333035416 485987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do wait do i divide or multiply by 8
< 1333035431 253668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333035437 279020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see i'm kind of new to this
< 1333035461 948605 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak English well you will forgive me
< 1333035479 55816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does
< 1333035482 399927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a silly language
< 1333035508 747631 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think
< 1333035517 808767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn chinese instead, i hear we'll all be speaking chinese in a few years anyway.
< 1333035519 491213 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many people in use
< 1333035561 316238 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak Chinese you understand
< 1333035561 666525 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1333035569 202685 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was a joke
< 1333035570 978084 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1333035608 937761 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand Chinese?
< 1333035614 907952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, some japanese.
< 1333035624 316080 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ex tried to learn some chinese
< 1333035635 340130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but she didn't really stick to it
< 1333035659 613089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly use english and finnish
< 1333035666 601594 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, Chinese and Japanese to write about
< 1333035680 518097 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rephrase that?
< 1333035705 469689 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak Chinese?
< 1333035716 424171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write japanese you mean?
< 1333035729 16591 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1333035735 488435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1333035743 344099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this chinese chick in our japanese class and she was just horrible at it.
< 1333035748 865098 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can write chinese
< 1333035761 848227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just don't get "In fact, Chinese and Japanese to write about"
< 1333035809 996842 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error
< 1333035812 662319 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333035860 315067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any math by any chance?
< 1333035884 902231 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future I can speak fluent English.
< 1333035892 508150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can
< 1333035894 708202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you?
< 1333035953 943557 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned the programming, but only a little
< 1333036014 736247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no math?
< 1333036018 891440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means mathematics
< 1333036063 904891 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the programming language is the 'assembly'
< 1333036076 192688 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardcore.
< 1333036118 865069 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C language is also very good
< 1333036135 162618 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less hardcore, but acceptable.
< 1333036135 364151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if i said i have Z^d acting by continuous automorphisms on a compact metrizable zero-dimensional abelian group which is c.p.e. and the action is expansive, would you be all like hey it's weakly algebraically conjugate to its adjoint
< 1333036159 955204 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm twenty-one years old
< 1333036222 68137 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GhostHand: What kind of computer do you have?
< 1333036226 751022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about this math thing. do they teach mathematics in china?
< 1333036228 664631 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not studied
< 1333036265 37420 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-224-146.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1333036266 104803 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti:Ienovo
< 1333036291 47049 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti:Have you heard of it
< 1333036294 288114 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-238-79.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333036317 713550 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Lenovo Thinkpad? What model? I have heard of Lenovo computers. They are very good quality.
< 1333036371 344307 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese education is not good
< 1333036409 674623 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkPad previously belonged to IBM
< 1333036471 343300 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ienovo,the quality is really good
< 1333036481 414535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i've heard about asian education in general is that stuff is usually learned by rote. then i went to the japanese class and our japanese teacher is like so here's these letter's let us write the alphabet 100 times so you learn them.
< 1333036495 615861 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have syntax error?
< 1333036498 955952 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333036500 542483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like holy stereotype
< 1333036524 335488 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last few of your sentences make sense to me.
< 1333036527 574435 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f2ef.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1333036551 64318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i notice that you still haven't ELABORATED on the whole math thing.
< 1333036572 989745 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Chinese education so I always in the effort, in their own way to learn
< 1333036575 44485 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION munches on popcorn.

< 1333036591 592984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's less clear :)
< 1333036599 25933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333036611 906259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you always in the effort, _your_ own way to learn?
< 1333036626 10241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1333036681 652257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be easier to understand how you form sentences if i knew anything about chinese.
< 1333036701 655185 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333036725 906576 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak English well
< 1333036741 182026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to chinese people in general or what do you mean?
< 1333036755 248054 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have a test in CCNA
< 1333036772 518963 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a few of those
< 1333036823 18084 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read  book very late every day
< 1333036850 762584 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andl do some tests
< 1333036854 545771 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1333036858 849288 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do some tests
< 1333036894 858588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really learn anything from the first three courses or whatever they're called. anyway those CCNA things.
< 1333036898 130851 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cisco Packet Tracer
< 1333036934 579830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perpendicular Soup Continent
< 1333036970 236967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an english idiom that means i'm not sure why you just said three random words.
< 1333036981 888656 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a lot of useless
< 1333036995 421568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope someone is reading this because my genius is going to waste.
< 1333036997 709289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1333037014 774192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my experience as well
< 1333037042 262801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except that i quickly unlearned everything. so really it was just a waste of time.
< 1333037103 664905 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I really want to go to the west to learn
< 1333037175 114707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you come to finland, i can buy you a beer and tell you all about group shifts.
< 1333037223 434343 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much
< 1333037243 824834 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I love wine
< 1333037248 829567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really that's true for everyone in this channel :D
< 1333037249 614878 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333037291 759853 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Alcohol disgusts me
< 1333037296 294630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on
< 1333037303 670774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that does not surprise me
< 1333037306 599180 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you live?
< 1333037323 355702 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oulu, Finland
< 1333037324 177941 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that Finland is good
< 1333037326 343975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1333037331 391836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i asked already
< 1333037333 726779 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too am in the non-alcohol group.
< 1333037340 270983 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I'm a flying squirrel, and probably quite young.
< 1333037351 368022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i passed through oulu a few times this spring
< 1333037410 458493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in finland too in case you don't whois people 24/7.
< 1333037441 838552 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have noticed that
< 1333037469 852190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hide it well.
< 1333037479 108296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work
< 1333037486 589641 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I can speak fluent English.
< 1333037489 403402 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=.-
< 1333037504 340463 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you
< 1333037507 333324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you watch tv shows in english
< 1333037508 213198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1333037545 653558 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love lady gaga
< 1333037563 862686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that five hours a day for a couple of years and you should be set.
< 1333037662 141910 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a book now,bye~
< 1333037665 634270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye.
< 1333037666 776290 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading English language wikipedia
< 1333037683 64288 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice to meet you
< 1333037686 730451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise
< 1333037695 835161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: have you tried that as a learning method?
< 1333037704 572037 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333037714 203623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a language you don't know at all i mean?
< 1333037736 860502 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. For a language I don't know very well
< 1333037737 564017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried it for japanese and alsk�djfl�asdjflkasdjf
< 1333037744 708699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1333037770 429253 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language?
< 1333037813 531780 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :English on 4th grade and swedish
< 1333037832 351708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess japanese is a bit different anyway since most of the a�sldjfkdfjkadjflkadjf comes from the alphabet.
< 1333037859 1790 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "a�sldjfkdfjkadjflkadjf" supposed to mean something >_O
< 1333037863 655670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333037869 590043 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1333037871 239945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means frustration
< 1333037963 994236 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :大家好
< 1333037993 139493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _that's_ just nonsense.
< 1333038003 359263 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1333038027 532645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those chinese characters? i never quite learned how to get stuff to show on irc.
< 1333038031 52260 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my My Chinese name is "顾陆汀"
< 1333038040 548680 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Chinese name is "顾陆汀"
< 1333038049 406208 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1333038081 70821 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.87.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you can't read
< 1333038094 862188 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333038100 982869 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna try again?
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< 1333038148 594143 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer
< 1333038188 662437 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose he doesn't read logs so i can't brag about my kanji skillz :(
< 1333038345 184991 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail.
< 1333038356 411877 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, you'd say something that had the right symbols but was grammatically Japanese.
< 1333038358 776638 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he'd laugh at you.
< 1333038484 909988 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're right, maybe knowing a few japanese kanji _doesn't_ mean i'm fluent in chinese.
< 1333038501 188348 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i almost made an ASS out of myself
< 1333038513 906650 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.

< 1333038530 357314 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it from a True American Monoglot�: Knowing foreign languages is trouble.
< 1333038629 12566 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignorance is bliss
< 1333038647 822370 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being a fucking retard is pure extacy
< 1333038685 501311 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true!
< 1333038713 816596 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1333038724 444490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333038729 369218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO EVERYBODY
< 1333038736 54112 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1333038743 851928 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you friends with GhostHand?
< 1333038755 492141 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the newest troublemaker her
< 1333038756 201007 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1333038757 88085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best friends.
< 1333038776 972179 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude is learning english even though english is a stupid language
< 1333038807 393277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott keeps reverting eir edits, wasn't that the cornerstone of their relationship?
< 1333038833 571106 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333038845 3107 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't enough people to practice ithkuil with I guess.
< 1333038850 950094 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1333038861 7209 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1333038975 516509 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you an x-treme saber?
< 1333039004 351177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh?
< 1333039005 832556 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of. :)
< 1333039007 338185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome saberx
< 1333039015 879689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :saberx: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333039021 876213 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil is, and has continuously been, from a certain point in time which i will leave unspecified, stated as my opinion of which i do not consider particularly reliable as an information source, the best language.
< 1333039035 650471 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-of
< 1333039056 600352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oklofok quote enthusi
< 1333039059 963587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: 830) <NSQX> Anyone in the Esolang community will probably just remember this day, a week before April Fools Day, as a very enthusiastic day at Esolang.
< 1333039076 89924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: GhostHand is not NSQX.
< 1333039079 437273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, yes.
< 1333039084 744200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a confuse.
< 1333039099 220953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm friends with GhostHand too!
< 1333039102 277507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you were best friends, anyway, that much was true.
< 1333039136 630578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And then you had that girlfriend from earlier, anything going on there? 
< 1333039142 853626 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me
< 1333039152 673856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T CONTROL MY PIMPING
< 1333039153 24089 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: It does have glyphs that look like something The Predator would use.
< 1333039156 614597 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone shut about everything else and let's discuss this forever
< 1333039160 857923 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackego: are you bot?
< 1333039166 606410 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's this girlfriend and are you sexually active_
< 1333039167 669200 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1333039176 593623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: someone came in #esoteric and...
< 1333039180 847213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, fizzie just dig up the logs
< 1333039183 40032 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and??
< 1333039194 226541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would but I have to food right now.
< 1333039200 538684 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1333039201 834271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THANKS
< 1333039207 833134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't reall the name, either.
< 1333039210 721625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saberx: HackEgo is actually just a really fast typer.
< 1333039211 432168 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is WAY more important than staying alive
< 1333039396 809971 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can also execute unix commands in his mind
< 1333039415 660220 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a
< 1333039418 501244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1333039495 296219 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I'm not a bot, but I'm also not THAT fast of a typist.
< 1333039497 877429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a bot, but I'm also not THAT fast of a typist.
< 1333039545 589497 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parrot bot!
< 1333039585 677954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /
< 1333039588 118562 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
< 1333039592 890061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that took whole seconds to type.
< 1333039656 145302 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel needs a good ai bot!
< 1333039664 8045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say hi to saberx.
< 1333039664 469144 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a lot, but they're always a good time, because he thought you were going to me, the omniscient. the dude has to sleep! superman could laser him from orbit while he's having nappy times! enter only if you have a valid passport to dreamland!"
< 1333039722 822957 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot:how are you
< 1333039730 695942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowercase f.
< 1333039746 67708 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1333039764 152460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-01-04#220222
< 1333039844 397603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfa
< 1333039909 590192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:05: <lax> who is mooz
< 1333039909 768476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:20: <Ngevd> lax :Just this one guy, you know?
< 1333039909 930583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:34: <lax> im want to talk to eliott
< 1333039909 930769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:36: <lax> not u
< 1333039909 930870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:43: <Ngevd> :(
< 1333039911 700403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the bestest bit
< 1333040199 66093 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.168 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333041598 732990 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodles and minced meat, holy fuck this is good
< 1333042205 809850 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333042273 506162 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1333042291 70479 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333043279 183627 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.168 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333044106 610834 :augur!~augur@206.196.169.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333044150 975329 :augur!~augur@206.196.169.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333044236 384427 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are cats .
< 1333044305 654523 :augur!~augur@206.196.169.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333044326 824915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Indeed.
< 1333044329 116158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed they are.
< 1333044418 159223 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are using:
< 1333044418 320742 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, we couldn’t recognize your browser. The What Browser team has been notified."
< 1333044421 11813 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1333044432 121049 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Firefox on Lubuntu in Private Browsing mode
< 1333044515 639516 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should totally try obscure browsers on that site
< 1333044523 337362 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just fake stuff.
< 1333044539 369604 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Hello There What Browser team! How are you?" web browser
< 1333044543 9096 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg. They have been notified!
< 1333044583 488786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I will bet extremely small amounts of money that Private Browsing mode spoofs the User-Agent.
< 1333044593 29990 :augur!~augur@206.196.169.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333044710 63925 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0
< 1333044739 630575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are using: Unknown Browser. IFrame. Learn what a web browser is by watching this 1-minute video."
< 1333044775 60877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ELinks/0.12~pre5-2ubuntu2 (textmode; Ubuntu; Linux 2.6.38-13-generic x86_64; 273x88-2).)
< 1333044797 849925 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 NICK :dragonchina
< 1333044804 769159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.. if you're using an unknown browser, you're *probably* not using the default browser
< 1333044808 977142 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ELinks support Javascript
< 1333044820 683554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports Javascript to some degree, IIRC.
< 1333044831 841889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really recall the details.
< 1333044845 231671 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatbrowser.org/en/browser.js
< 1333044877 2541 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE9 apparently counts as a variation of IE8 in WhatBrowser's eyes
< 1333044889 547601 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, only Firefox up to 9 is supported
< 1333044891 994405 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333044893 28751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that it's not enabled in this build, but it does have some sort of a spidermonkey binding thing.
< 1333044899 173608 :dragonchina!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 NICK :saberx
< 1333044919 965437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1333044938 859794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they doing it all by scripting and not by the sent user-agent headers at all? 
< 1333044945 349654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saberx: You're like a dragon in a China shop.
< 1333044949 609332 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes
< 1333044954 455813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1333044963 58859 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for all we know they have equiv. code on the server side that checks for unknowns
< 1333044987 755317 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nothing in the Javascript suggests that stuff will be sent to the server in the event of unknown)
< 1333045109 670716 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333045122 779397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the page they send back doesn't really seem to vary with the UA. But I guess they could be silently tracking those.
< 1333045127 973853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: They probably just check their logs.
< 1333045136 102501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web servers, you know.
< 1333045320 826920 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333045534 160777 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Kipple, is there any difference between a>b and b<a ?
< 1333045567 642148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1333045570 462126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forget what i know of kipple
< 1333045584 658993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really the first time I've looked at it
< 1333045778 471625 :augur!~augur@206.196.169.34 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333046375 91056 :saberx!~AndChat@106.202.21.84 QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1333046517 296320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://www.chrisseaton.com/katahdin/
< 1333046519 53720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: SUE HIM
< 1333046569 441001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I admit the part where the guy calls a Fortran procedure that returns through one of its arguments in the Python block is cool.)
< 1333046657 260156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortran and python, together at last?
< 1333046959 543633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Apparently.
< 1333047134 190228 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By no stretch of the imagination did I invent the concept of programming languages whose syntax and semantics are mutable.
< 1333047183 140542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: False. There is a stretch of the imagination in which that applies.
< 1333047185 606430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the stretch of comedy.
< 1333047194 61890 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods sagely.

< 1333047196 347620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This happens to be the one I was using.
< 1333047262 46796 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART #esoteric :"syön"
< 1333047352 248220 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, Microcosm works well enough on Cygwin that I can ask amusing licensing questions to piss everyone off.
< 1333047741 316172 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a stretch for everything
< 1333047749 10699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one for anything
< 1333047956 438758 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow ... chicka ... bow wow?
< 1333048161 62767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :eliet
< 1333048184 271882 :eliet!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :eillott
< 1333048779 237492 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333048900 398404 :eillott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS. EXPLODING TONGUE. ERROR SYNDROME
< 1333048937 663074 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eillott: Are you still using that Gmail alternative that you found?
< 1333049010 939306 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...gmail alternative. As though gmail was the inventor of email or webmail or something
< 1333049099 884946 :eillott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1333049103 583055 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: By "alternative" I meant "clone".
< 1333049219 529591 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333049683 607994 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-238-79.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1333050180 911858 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333050279 806 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.195 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333050330 214810 :eillott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1333050429 642941 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like TenFourFox doesn't like big caches. It started to get slower and slower, but after I deleted my 2GB cache folder and limited it's size to 100MB it has been relatively fast
< 1333051321 117887 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti
< 1333051396 435812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Haskell program which will make up a copy of a nested data structure but with annotation nodes? And then, return can make an annotation node, fmap affects the values at annotation nodes, and join replaces each annotation node with its contents.
< 1333051444 679239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just the free monad?
< 1333051445 763205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not.
< 1333051466 665468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes Maybe to be simply the annotated ()
< 1333051512 776909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, say a recursive data type T is Fix F for a functor F (holds for all algebraic data types).
< 1333051513 120686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can see it isn't just the free monad; the kinds don't even match.)
< 1333051518 400651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I believe that Free F is what you want.
< 1333051578 740344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is Fix Unit. Free Unit a is Pure a | Free (Unit (Free Pure a)).
< 1333051584 188574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unit a = () for all a, so
< 1333051590 376039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Unit a is Pure a | Free ()
< 1333051591 743164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is Maybe a.
< 1333051610 348621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1333051614 987396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, you're just swapping out Fix for Free, which makes sense, because Free is Fix with an extra type parameter and a constructor taking it.
< 1333051841 994503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are also nested structures that refer to themself without taking a type parameter. Would you use Template Haskell then?
< 1333051880 32174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, the point is that we know every algebraic type T is Fix F for a functor F, but that doesn't necessarily mean Haskell will give you that F.
< 1333051892 334071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/functor-combo/0.1.0/doc/html/FunctorCombo-Regular.html defines a typeclass to let you define the isomorphism.
< 1333051907 665191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could probably do it with the new generics, no need to resort to TH.
< 1333051924 95820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, but if you have access to the datatype definition then you could make it up without the F possibly
< 1333052023 727202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also seen your Unit type by other names, such as "phantom monad" and Proxy. Without knowing the names I found this monad on a different category; specifically, a category made from a digraph, having a final object (all nodes lead to one, with no loops).)
< 1333052133 73535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked Unit since it's what functor-combo calls it (it's just defined as Const ()).
< 1333052136 856738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I also found the corresponding "cophantom comonad", first in the category from digraph, with an initial object; but then in Haskell, too:   data CoPh x; instance Functor CoPh where { fmap _ _ = undefined; }; instance Extend CoPh where { duplicate _ = undefined; }; instance Comonad CoPh where { extract _ = undefined; };
< 1333052203 851172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some people have said that CoPh is a monad as well, but I don't believe them.)
< 1333052219 389134 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :CoPhantom_Hoover
< 1333052233 408400 :CoPhantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's wrong.
< 1333052242 973178 :CoPhantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :CoHoover_Phantom
< 1333052310 652297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't Haddock link to the instance definition?
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< 1333052340 145636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's always with either the class or the data type if it's in that list?
< 1333052349 635302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it lists orphans
< 1333052543 45528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? Do you think CoPh is a monad as well, or only a comonad, or neither?
< 1333052727 285837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is obviously not a monad or a comonad.
< 1333052810 283857 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now, I have noticed one person say it is both a monad and a comonad, one person (myself) say it is a comonad but is not a monad, and one person (you) say it is neither a monad nor a comonad.
< 1333052843 222301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that?
< 1333052859 338792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you and the other person are wrong and I'm not.
< 1333052882 996188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then give a better reason, please.
< 1333052884 996415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that if your Comonad instance is OK, then I have a Monad instance that's OK too.
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< 1333052980 844626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It really should be    extract x = case x of { };    and so on, but Haskell does not accept that.)
< 1333053092 150985 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it like this?    return _ = undefined;    No, that is wrong, isn't it?
< 1333053437 979541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it is a comonad.
< 1333053447 306478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract = absurd.
< 1333053461 743768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your original implementation is still wrong, though. Even if the implementation of absurd is const undefined.
< 1333053541 90447 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then explain how that definition is being wrong?
< 1333053721 939542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with _|_ in it is wrong!
< 1333053726 498335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks correct to me since the output is defined for every input.
< 1333053871 815638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is just that in this case, there are no defined inputs possible, which makes the above vacuously true.)
< 1333054126 249623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it doesn't have _|_ (or anything else) in it.
< 1333055509 844480 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns of http://www.fossil-scm.org/

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< 1333058991 835187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now IO isn't that different at all. It's a container for a single value, but it's a "dangerous" impure value like a virus, that we must not touch directly."
< 1333058992 360534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO!
< 1333058996 444153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR!
< 1333058997 518785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRAUD!
< 1333058999 448567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCOUNDREL!
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< 1333059501 230667 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played D&D game it is told that these people were in this room, playing poker on the table, when we arrived, they got weapons to try to attack us. Now one is dead and the other is unconscious (but I bind their wounds). However, one question is not answered: At what point of the poker game is played? Such as, if it is draw poker, there will be before discarding, and after discarding, and so on. To decide what to do next, the referee shoul
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< 1333060223 365950 :CoHoover_Phantom!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep

< 1333060238 440908 :CoHoover_Phantom!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I suppose cosleep -> Phantom_Hoover
< 1333060239 422097 :CoHoover_Phantom!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1333062308 613761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* DanBurton (~dan@lallab.cs.byu.edu) has joined #haskell
< 1333062310 224773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<DanBurton> Hello, #haskell. I have come to spam you all with a shamless self-plug. In a minute.
< 1333062312 505074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy
< 1333062313 560173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upon
< 1333062315 843062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :innumerable
< 1333062316 488356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy
< 1333063014 209371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9811808/finding-and-replacing-words-with-asterisks-in-a-text-file-output
< 1333063014 909686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9934402/finding-and-replacing-words-with-asterisk-in-a-text-file-output
< 1333063016 495322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the difference
< 1333063025 33260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*differences, i'm sure there's probably 2
< 1333063052 564937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number and the plural
< 1333063123 971780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true! I meant the differences between the resources identified and located by those URIs.
< 1333063137 824643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
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< 1333064015 656309 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attention #esoteric , here are words said to me in /notice to avoid being logged: 
< 1333064015 950862 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-elliott- You should totally add the #esoteric logs to robots.txt so someone from #haskell doesn't Google their IRC nick and find me whining about them 
< 1333064070 308736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True!
< 1333064072 243265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, RocketJSquirrel LIED.
< 1333064076 505384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he omitted the ":P" I said after it.
< 1333064086 173670 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a MORAL DILEMMA over that.
< 1333064095 517146 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sat there with a space and I was like "OH GOD WHY"
< 1333064194 998929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointed that RocketJSquirrel is not revealing all the other secrets I am now telling him.
< 1333064235 15837 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-elliott- I SHOT A BALL THROUGH THE HOOP
< 1333064250 753238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want them revealed, then you to please do so. They did not reveal all of them because it is secret. But some thing should be attention to everyone is why it is revealed, isn' it?
< 1333064260 6842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quite.
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< 1333064951 696650 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: All RocketJSquirrel claimed was that those were words said to you in /notice.
< 1333064973 388955 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't even claim that you said them (assuming that you take "-elliott-" to be a word).
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< 1333065793 808692 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attention #esoteric , here are words said to me in /notice to avoid being logged:
< 1333065798 549961 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-elliott- I do enjoy eating babies!
< 1333065865 650183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333065904 372873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tsk tsk*
< 1333065911 618921 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that's frowned upon some places.
< 1333065926 178788 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just typed "fround" and had to stare at it for quite a while to realize why it was marked as misspelled.
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< 1333066162 293288 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why do you recommend LYAH so over-the-topfully?
< 1333066197 190448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the alternative is
< 1333066197 895616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lifestream> Hey vlad2048, check out the lessons I'm going through now, it has homework too! http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~cis194/lectures.html
< 1333066211 620645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from people who don't know what they're doing.
< 1333066298 389403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1333066306 817465 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you going to write that other Haskell book?
< 1333066431 792162 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333066446 762096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
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< 1333068258 401218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other Haskell book?
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< 1333069478 675465 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The one elliott was (apparently not) going to write.
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< 1333072435 94540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bachaf
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< 1333073572 329884 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MSleep
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< 1333074004 316578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some list operations already have polymorphic versions, such as fmap for map, join for concat, (>>=) for concatMap, etc. filter can be generalized to any MonadPlus, sequence to any Applicative, iterate and replicate and so on to any Alternative, and possibly intersperse to any MonadLogic.
< 1333074173 188457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you write filter for any MonadPlus
< 1333074214 978416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333074215 924173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:23:36
< 1333074239 787199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter f = (>>= \x -> bool mzero (return x) (f x));
< 1333074333 3866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, clever.
< 1333074371 155477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence can be generalised to more than Applicative.
< 1333074384 51859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable.sequenceA generalises the [] to any Traversable and the Monad to any Applicative.
< 1333074406 804247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1333074650 346854 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f x = pure x <|> iterate f (f x);
< 1333074751 486123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f = liftA2 (<|>) pure (iterate f . f)
< 1333074757 674335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f = (| pure <|> iterate f . f |)
< 1333074815 690765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, that is it, too.
< 1333074936 547678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333074937 669321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:35:37
< 1333074940 765239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1333074944 126729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't time going backwards
< 1333074971 499111 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
< 1333075019 338607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333075447 961455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you think it is?
< 1333075668 207350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did some German words change spelling when hyphenated before 1998?
< 1333075692 717230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333075836 906158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333075838 47123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 03:50:38
< 1333075844 392103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa we skipped a ten minute
< 1333075845 95594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1333076213 990899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'A'
< 1333076214 875950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  65
< 1333078122 318604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333078123 460025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 30 04:28:43
< 1333078125 309331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not going to liek the answer to this
< 1333078126 223754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like
< 1333078127 627228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't
< 1333078128 680089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok goodnight
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< 1333078729 315727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <elliott> why isn't time going backwards <zzo38> Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
< 1333078732 922506 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :833) <elliott> why isn't time going backwards <zzo38> Possibly because there is no room for time to turn around
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< 1333083323 575884 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Xt0DB.png Did someone say "do not put the baby"?
< 1333083391 181414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not put the baby. Put something else
< 1333083494 913630 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a fetal scalp electrode, and why would it have a plug that could fit into an AC mains socket?
< 1333083562 708733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-92.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not.
< 1333083736 455134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one has to wonder whether it's a speculative or a reactive kind of warning.
< 1333084122 927141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the wire different in the left picture and the right picture?
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< 1333084513 913771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a fetal scalp electrode appears to, according to that diagram, measure electrical field generated by the fetal brain. it says nothing about a mains plug, only wires, so I would guess it does not have one.
< 1333084600 644770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a google search says the scalp electrode is used to measure the fetus's heartbeat during delivery
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< 1333086729 836705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this one medical supplies product listing page, some are "bare wire" and some bave some sort of "Qwik Connect" plugs.
< 1333086747 926609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That do not look very mains-compatible, though.
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< 1333086804 979087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bare wire model you could presumably manage to plug into a mains socket, if for some reason you felt that was a particularly good idea.
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< 1333087476 786483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinions about scientifically-based philosophy?
< 1333087626 346831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think computer science is mathematics and not science?
< 1333087682 713604 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course CS is math, not science, except in the archaic sense where science = "field of study".
< 1333087721 598788 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism. And of course, that's not what CS does.
< 1333087740 214097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with you; "science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism.
< 1333087741 31736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All about the formalisms and arguing from axioms.
< 1333087756 305310 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. math
< 1333087922 359593 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course one should have scientifically-based philosophy. Why make your philosophical discussions be based on intentionally *not* looking deeply at the world around us, as per the ancient Greeks?
< 1333088054 596151 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down that road leads philosophy indistinguishable from randomly generated syntactically valid statements.
< 1333088217 187312 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the reason to be not scientifically-based is there isn't any science for it to be based. But of course philosophy can be scientifically-based in generally good things too. (However, one example of scientifically-based philosophy what I mean, is such as quantum immortality and so on; but there are other examples)
< 1333088303 295183 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider such things as dualism. Near as I can tell, dualism comes out to being semantically void, or contradicting scientific knowledge.
< 1333088315 290747 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-179.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, it's still quite discussed.
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< 1333088561 617491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one thing which is non-scientifically-based philosophy. However, I do not consider it to contradict scientific knowledge; but scientific knowledge cannot support it either. Many of the forms of dualism do contradict science, however.
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< 1333088729 12461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nevertheless, it might occasionally want to discuss philosophy which contradicts science anyways.
< 1333088795 517416 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, of course, not all philosophy contradict science; philosophy can be scientifically-based!
< 1333088915 86916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your philosophy is kuhning enough
< 1333089803 25197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i frequently write computer programs for the purpose of performing numerical experiments
< 1333089829 414100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sometimes the experiment is done with the goal of determining the properties of some algorithm
< 1333089839 600400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it is empirical computer science
< 1333089862 49361 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes I sometimes do too; but sometimes I will do it partially or entirely on paper as well.
< 1333089908 458343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes i do that also. more often, though, the problem is too large or hard to do on paper.
< 1333090085 991709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, true, if often is. But sometimes I do partially by paper and partially by computer.
< 1333090391 820766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%.0f, %.0f\n" 48.5 49.5 :: String
< 1333090392 797170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "49, 50\n"
< 1333090399 397026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ever write any serious problem-solving algorithms/
< 1333090420 962959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 48.5
< 1333090421 143096 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, reminder that my UPDATES are unreliable. There were several updates today.
< 1333090421 797199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  48
< 1333090426 873827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 49.5
< 1333090427 765507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  50
< 1333090428 667054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hi
< 1333090947 351767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written things that solve a game backwards
< 1333091033 115843 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daylight saving time is stupid; I think a better system would be to combine standard hours with local Italian hours
< 1333091073 325876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will use LIH to indicate local Italian hours; so sunset is at 01:00LIH)
< 1333091628 91217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which house system corresponds to the unequal hours on an astronomical clock? Do any of them correspond?
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< 1333093590 116022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<pikhq> "Science" suggests a form of study based in empiricism. And of course, that's not what CS does." let me give you an example of an article that my colleague is refereeing: we enumerate all CA with property X up to 4 states and radius 2. here's the table.
< 1333093692 875869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and "we disprove a conjecture by Y"
< 1333093719 484942 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a wild counterexample appeared during search)
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< 1333094298 662559 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this awesome research idea
< 1333094313 113236 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would revolutionize the world
< 1333094316 152256 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i
< 1333094330 354306 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumerated all CA with property X up to 5 states and radius 2??
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< 1333106921 696576 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Linux partition won't boot properly for some reason.
< 1333106921 937822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1333107153 104264 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessssss, another recruit for my War on Tau.
< 1333107234 919492 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debian shares the OSI's desire to encourage Free Software." lolwut
< 1333107478 653050 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is so lolwut about that?
< 1333107513 181131 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the OSI's primary desire is to crush the use of the term "Free Software"
< 1333107592 394605 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why cant everyone just use free/open source software
< 1333107593 659202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but they both want to encourage it.
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< 1333115115 117422 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 19 users on Steam called Zakalwe.
< 1333115119 487572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORIGINAL
< 1333117322 880470 :derdon_!~derdon@p4FD95674.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333117694 523544 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did buy his [Ryan North's] book though. Not the comics, the Machine of Death." "What about the Adventure Time comics?" "I do like Adventure Time." "With Ryan North plus Adventure Time, how could you go wrong? ... this coming from a guy dressed as a character from My Little Pony."
< 1333118624 613906 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 NICK :MDude
< 1333119050 10108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, this language has been stuck on "Work In Progress" for four years before NSQX thought that it has been a "Work In Progress" for too long and rewrote this page."
< 1333119090 556649 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language?
< 1333119107 668374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god.
< 1333119108 828941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ping
< 1333119110 780214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping
< 1333119113 358154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYONE RESPONSIBLE: ping
< 1333119132 776189 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1333119154 390751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not responsible!
< 1333119157 734721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe you are.
< 1333119161 839564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fizzie is like ten times more responsible.
< 1333119192 297206 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you are talking about
< 1333119222 623362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1333119517 927231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Is ANYONE awake???
< 1333119520 18188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You???
< 1333119521 935001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Even YOU???
< 1333119657 447414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ???
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< 1333120138 752761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Come ooon, wake up.
< 1333120183 982414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- not good with ethics
< 1333121272 424033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333121282 283474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1333121350 363259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How RESPONSIBLE are you?
< 1333121359 983549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPENDS
< 1333121365 745078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the dance floor, not very
< 1333121372 663561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "dance", then fall asleep
< 1333121375 928159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "dance" again
< 1333121384 873108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And end up with pictures with 84 likes on Facebook
< 1333121402 276461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With things that actually matter, I tend to procrastinate
< 1333121411 125016 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that, I'm perfectly responsible
< 1333121563 389994 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/84/95/
< 1333121599 250416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NSQX#Temporary_block There.
< 1333121745 278121 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised...
< 1333121760 698122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PietBot and lambdabot can together form an infinite loop
< 1333121781 198667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Botloop time!
< 1333121808 18726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NSQX#Temporary_block UPDATE'D
< 1333121811 420631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, PietBot breaks after posting anything
< 1333121848 976596 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually...
< 1333121861 341154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they can't...
< 1333121868 145954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe PietBot and Fungot?
< 1333122000 963102 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1333122001 163658 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: like, say, a big meteor strikes!
< 1333122046 346598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A meteor falls, like, everyone, say, dies
< 1333122072 403095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1333122072 638524 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the one that symbolizes our family: each saves a million right? i don't see that here.
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< 1333122330 891381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to think...
< 1333122338 668567 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have any crap that needs to be backed up?
< 1333122382 573345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems the answer's no
< 1333122463 63105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Please check your MemoServ messages with /msg MemoServ read new, thanks!
< 1333122463 333842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333123007 375706 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333123026 571892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome alvur
< 1333123035 755858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333123059 320009 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus is Lord!
< 1333123073 83086 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are heretics!
< 1333123106 458422 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you reach that second conclusion?
< 1333123212 844847 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I am atheist
< 1333123259 525432 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, did you read Holy Bible?
< 1333123268 272446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: hi
< 1333123270 344012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm jesus
< 1333123272 386869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also
< 1333123275 208545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1333123278 663364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1333123279 529530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel isn't about esoterica
< 1333123283 193236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1333123283 836899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1333123285 447864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ u
< 1333123304 580071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ironfist.at.tut.by/ wow what fucking irc client are you using
< 1333123343 481501 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Yes, I did. In fact iright after that I became atheist
< 1333123373 139668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I'm an atheist too. I didn't read the bible though.
< 1333123374 372291 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right
< 1333123376 267649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, parts of it.
< 1333123379 127275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not much. It's quite boring.
< 1333123384 658288 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm using 'megaIRC v4.06'
< 1333123400 786529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It looks like you're running the Adblock Plus and/or NoScript plugin(s). In order to view this site, you must have Adblock Plus and/or NoScript disabled. Please follow the steps below to fix these issues and view this site." hehe
< 1333123421 908481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Chromium doesn't want me on that site at all
< 1333123430 757465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah, I just clicked through.
< 1333123430 955825 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ironfist.at.tut.by anyway? TenFourFox reports it as Reported Attack Page!
< 1333123433 387935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux, maaan.
< 1333123444 365309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an innocuous-looking software site.
< 1333123453 166894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's some evil JS bug on it someone added.
< 1333123461 459634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1333123461 719646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.write("<img src=\"http://ifist.h16.ru/cgi-bin/prsash.pl?trans.gif&ref=");
< 1333123461 881373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.write(document.referrer);
< 1333123461 881556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.write("\" border=0 height=1 width=1>");
< 1333123462 116494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1333123465 693950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks suspicious.
< 1333123476 635857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a 404, seemingly.
< 1333123537 366947 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, elliott, you are wrong! God exist!
< 1333123553 258205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: What about Russell's teapot? Man, this is so boring.
< 1333123560 441415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always the same-old same-old.
< 1333123560 711452 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Why do you think so?
< 1333123615 363041 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we are created by God, not by teapot
< 1333123631 511205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can agree completely that we were not created by a teapot.
< 1333123638 106794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%. Very logical deduction.
< 1333123657 265317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: But seriously though, go away.
< 1333123668 393606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1333123668 554575 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1333123670 731879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Speak of Satan.
< 1333123671 157676 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Holy Bible tells us about God
< 1333123673 526648 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: no. We are created by flying spaghetti monster
< 1333123673 961692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1333123676 364419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speak of Satan.
< 1333123679 266418 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ovule :) man." -new zealand clover and. fnord to upraised shells. --gravel fringes :). fnord and they stand rather nearer to/ centre :)/ leaf;/ spiral vessels, proceeding from/ n.w./ uppermost beds :)/ same plant thrice as many years as i was days on/ configuration :) our continents are ancient, and seeing what an enormous field :) lava is here stretched out, :) nearly/ same physical evils as/ lower animals give specia
< 1333123703 99168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ovuling.
< 1333123712 52039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command me further, fungot!!!
< 1333123713 264595 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to return to their primitive colours, red, and has not yet been carefully measured. after 1 hr. and 1 hr./ secretion was repeatedly seen thus to collect on/ roof :)/ mouth during laughter, which leads to wrinkles being formed beneath/ superficial mould, and/ adhadota sometimes required 48 hrs.; yet this latter plant,/ convolvulus tricolor, bud-variation in paritium tricuspis.
< 1333123729 507482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
< 1333123751 481416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(St. Paul's letter to the Romans, Chapter 2, Verse 21)
< 1333123774 426684 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: It tells us about god. Who is either evil sadist or doesn't exist
< 1333123798 570434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, do you grant that God is omnipotent?
< 1333123812 566390 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, amen
< 1333123821 917899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: poop fart butt
< 1333123823 508837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, do you grant that God is omnipresent?
< 1333123843 521371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, they came in saying <alvur> Jesus is Lord!  <alvur> you are heretics!
< 1333123850 552009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut the amateur theology, get to the trolling!
< 1333123862 24772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you think I'm doing?
< 1333123887 756040 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes
< 1333123890 23802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay.
< 1333123909 443655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, do you grant that God is omniscient?
< 1333123925 746634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: do gays go to hell, if yes: is there still hope for me if i stop the orgy now
< 1333123958 320263 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sorry, I thought you're magicians
< 1333123970 161259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1333123974 940306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta do the magicks to spice up the sexx orgie
< 1333123984 655499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ps is the goat dead yet
< 1333123993 738899 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: If god is omnipotent and he created everything then why did he create evil?
< 1333124019 575728 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Devil makes evil
< 1333124021 660648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think so, but that could just be the you-know-whats
< 1333124040 279447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, if God is omnipresent and omnipotent, why does he allow the Devil to make evil?
< 1333124089 607879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if god is omnipresent and omnipotent........... why don't we all have skateboards????????????????
< 1333124092 52835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin checkmate
< 1333124123 120860 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: But if god is omnipotent then why does he allow devil to create evil?
< 1333124126 138449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, when did you last cut the hair on the side of your head?
< 1333124153 518827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if god supports stoning why aren't I stoned
< 1333124155 437278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
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< 1333124266 89621 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit
< 1333124317 473511 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I put shortcut to my alternative client with autojoin right next to shortcut to terminal.app?
< 1333124329 522379 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :men, you shouldn't write bad words about God. He may punish you all
< 1333124357 630758 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the person who's quoted the Bible most
< 1333124480 726140 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0FC1B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333124484 949641 :ChristianGod!~Python-IR@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333124546 648458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if nortti is ChristianGod
< 1333124563 434565 :ChristianGod!~Python-IR@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Bible is lie written by people. I hate everyone believin in it
< 1333124568 304758 :ChristianGod!~Python-IR@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit
< 1333124626 946251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: you never answered my question tho :(
< 1333124632 407616 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ... is happening.
< 1333124667 898751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, could someone hack into my computer and make a loud noise with it at 8 BST? I may have a nap
< 1333124740 658777 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God could never write that!
< 1333124778 631299 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1333124820 622257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought god could do anything :SOCOFNUSED:
< 1333124894 763543 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: What branch of Christianity do you believe in?
< 1333124931 217083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did not Oscar Wilde say "The Jews worship a God that one cannot see."?
< 1333124936 58352 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, orthodox. I'm Russian
< 1333124950 393676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he was gay tho
< 1333124960 17922 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never proven!
< 1333124984 460732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a wonderfully homophobic application of "innocent until proven guilty" :P
< 1333125008 102247 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Do you believe that being gay or transsexual is sin?
< 1333125029 479603 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes
< 1333125052 535290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what nortti thinks he'll get out of an argument with the kind of person who joins a channel on an IRC network about technology to yell at magicians.
< 1333125090 849024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matthew 22:36-40
< 1333125125 568878 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-153-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333125125 766624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, what's you're opinion on eating blood?
< 1333125135 677024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *whats
< 1333125151 999979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually in the bible)
< 1333125165 253820 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-71.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1333125166 493304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Little benownst to the world all this time, GoldenEye (N64) has a fully-functional ZX Spectrum 48x emulator built into it. By feeding it a proper Spectrum monitor program and calling menu 25 to load a snapshot, any Spectrum 48x program can be run."
< 1333125169 829546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah
< 1333125174 391307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about this instead of christianity
< 1333125180 381156 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, It's forbidden
< 1333125196 754741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is eating rabbit okay?
< 1333125220 593269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 11th commandment is "don't eat cute things ok"
< 1333125282 799860 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, don't laugh at our religion
< 1333125288 254426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strictly speaking, the only law against homosexuality in the bible actually forbids two men have vaginal sex specifically)
< 1333125326 489259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rest are recommendations)
< 1333125376 982140 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fucking gays! I hate you!
< 1333125390 21781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not fucking any gays.
< 1333125404 26624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, channel regulars will know I rarely, if ever, fuck anybody.
< 1333125413 385381 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :��������
< 1333125454 422714 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PART :#esoteric
< 1333125745 886759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was fun.
< 1333125799 997155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1333125807 834711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do it again some time
< 1333125815 206707 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest programming with esoteric programming languages is not that far from witchcraft
< 1333126390 924386 :cheater!~cheater@p4FD0FC1B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1333126682 595175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants a new esolang!?
< 1333126743 247334 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me. I am bit bored
< 1333126750 792434 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I.
< 1333126774 196144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dupdog model is interesting
< 1333126810 609301 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about language based of XOR:ing it's own source code?
< 1333126872 980792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be interesting
< 1333127039 290854 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps with an accumulator that can be incremented or reset, and a method for duplicating its own source a la Dupdog
< 1333127239 772843 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to think about Dupdog differently
< 1333127278 696241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a machine with a list of instructions and an accumulator
< 1333127292 87941 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accumulator is initialized to a particular value
< 1333127302 768181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the initial length of the program)
< 1333127312 362999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And damn, I haven't dealt with reversing
< 1333127437 13828 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333128524 483546 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333128882 824512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEREFORE ART THOO
< 1333128883 691576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEREFORE ART THYE
< 1333129036 585941 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Thoo said so.
< 1333129068 891864 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> "Little benownst to the world all this time, GoldenEye (N64) has a fully-functional ZX Spectrum 48x emulator built into it. By feeding it a proper Spectrum monitor program and calling menu 25 to load a snapshot, any Spectrum 48x program can be run." <-- is this true?
< 1333129105 773372 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz I think that's also the game that was first used to jailbreak the system, or was somehow influential in that area. Some bug it had allowed running arbitrary code.
< 1333129307 587790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.therwp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48139
< 1333129320 630322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rkz67/little_benownst_to_the_world_all_this_time/c46o21c?context=1
< 1333129407 622212 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's such a good abbreviated title in that reddit URL.
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< 1333130180 591536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reviving a nomic is SUPER HARD.
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< 1333132122 33980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Jimbo Wales thinks that articles on corporations must follow the biographies of living persons policy.
< 1333132131 986827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank God for Objectivism.
< 1333132341 495970 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, by US law, corporations ARE living people 8-D
< 1333132436 30671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my point :P
< 1333132446 573397 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: how?
< 1333132678 212033 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: For example, the US constitution does not recognize marriage between two corporations of the same sex, or more than two corporations of any sex.
< 1333132726 527707 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is sex of corporation determined?
< 1333132793 289070 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetically.
< 1333132912 644496 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exactly is is determined genetically? I didn't know that corporations had a genome
< 1333133102 730897 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't? I mean, it's not enormously complicated, if they have two Z chromosomes then they're male, if they have a Z and W chromosome then they're female.
< 1333133116 496386 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic anomalies which don't fit these norms are treated on a case-by-case basis.
< 1333134116 859135 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333134125 775981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the City, and I'm not responsible either.
< 1333134135 427038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more of an indifferent.
< 1333134158 583483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: You again?
< 1333134174 982342 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep))
< 1333134183 55879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: <alvur> Jesus is Lord!  <alvur> you are heretics! [...] <alvur> men, you shouldn't write bad words about God. He may punish you all [...] <alvur> you're fucking gays! I hate you!  * alvur (~alvur@178.89.139.79) has left #esoteric
< 1333134193 90287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He thinks we're magicians. Please put him out of his misery.
< 1333134209 880811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<alvur> elliott, sorry, I thought you're magicians)
< 1333134256 417552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: do you believe in uncountable sets?
< 1333134294 240700 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nope
< 1333134304 156974 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )
< 1333134328 300451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: What about countably infinite sets?
< 1333134368 804183 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: why not?
< 1333134390 420969 :derdon_!~derdon@p4FD95674.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333134412 227668 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, there's nothing uncountable but God!
< 1333134459 731870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the cardinality of god, and are you saying god is a proper class, or even a conglomerate?
< 1333134487 255160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Did he make the integers?
< 1333134490 992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is all else the work of man?
< 1333134491 808896 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I think that you confuse homosexuals and pedophiles
< 1333134503 126345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1333134537 735624 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop, guys! where are you from?
< 1333134576 851204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm from finland
< 1333134580 444151 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we had mildly interesting private discussion after (s|)he had left the channel
< 1333134583 502393 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me also
< 1333134595 536391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a uncountable set fundamentalist
< 1333134597 402288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an
< 1333134598 79578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: HELL
< 1333134606 202500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually Satan. :/
< 1333134625 384180 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Helsingisa?
< 1333134626 892101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anticountable set!
< 1333134636 84151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: *helsingiss�
< 1333134637 69298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no
< 1333134640 8519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm turussa
< 1333134666 761179 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: why are you hanging around in a technology channel?
< 1333134669 199738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Does that mean we can blame you for this return? :P
< 1333134679 16434 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, talar ni svenska?
< 1333134686 781572 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nej
< 1333134696 594966 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, russian?
< 1333134697 254540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :men jag f�rst�r svenska
< 1333134736 388080 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was few hours ago and he quit the irc at some point
< 1333134743 323050 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ingen russian. also i suck at those noun gender things, since neither english nor finnish has those.
< 1333134754 943868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you meant me by alvur
< 1333134776 262183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the second time alvur has self-pinged.
< 1333134780 6217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that, you know, sinful?
< 1333134849 258477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also pinged a fellow male.
< 1333134852 370199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me.
< 1333134857 562785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even worse
< 1333134903 588276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying he's a paedophile?
< 1333134929 821120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what else could i be saying
< 1333134982 827309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyhow, I pinged you about another NSQX "incident".
< 1333134986 464703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're all Turussa.
< 1333134989 733020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I noted.
< 1333134995 644591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's resolved now. Though I am happy for opinions on my resolution all the same.
< 1333134996 904656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Your language was "taken".
< 1333135019 429000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I don't care about that.
< 1333135029 260188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It was an abandoned WIP with no content.
< 1333135036 990749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But he decided to run a broken, unauthorised bot on the page.
< 1333135044 220131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I noticed that too.
< 1333135048 766087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one that used "Wikipedia python library" for every edit summary.
< 1333135051 384218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: are you in paris?
< 1333135085 805769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kazakhstan apparently
< 1333135092 245982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Karaganda, perhaps?
< 1333135096 949680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this out with esoteric magics
< 1333135102 228550 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm from Tyumen, Russia
< 1333135108 585274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're such a turussa.
< 1333135125 425114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> oklopol: You're all Turussa.  <fizzie> oklopol: You're such a turussa.
< 1333135132 646382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is oklopol a turussa, fizzie?
< 1333135135 519685 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now in Karaganda, Kazakhstan
< 1333135136 859113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the whois text is very dim, i just saw "paris" somewhere in there
< 1333135147 129461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did I say the first one too? I thought I didn't.
< 1333135150 486970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Weird.
< 1333135156 407904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Yes, my magics told me.
< 1333135158 86957 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's because I connect using irc.cc.tut.fi
< 1333135158 812619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You must've used your psychic powers to make me say that.
< 1333135161 740683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the joke that people from turku are stupid?
< 1333135173 171901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The joke seems to be on me now. :/
< 1333135176 209770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *physic powers
< 1333135191 531968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used... The Gay Science.
< 1333135195 199242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very psy-chic, very fab.
< 1333135198 128876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank Satan for Nietzsche.
< 1333135245 273375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank {{subst:g-d}}, isn't that how one says? 
< 1333135280 423463 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :������,
< 1333135287 918216 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :������?
< 1333135294 505136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333135304 697661 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently we get to work in some sort of windowless basement soon enough, since they're renovating the building and shit.
< 1333135318 536802 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: why do you write that mess?
< 1333135319 293040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: you realise that doesn't show up as russian for us
< 1333135321 211135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your irc client is broken
< 1333135326 771996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that's what some popular russian encoding looks like
< 1333135331 530547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojibake'd
< 1333135377 817092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1333135378 665640 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cp1251 code page
< 1333135394 477819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: pls use utf-8
< 1333135399 874905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :охуели ребята, you mean.
< 1333135400 221196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi, alvur thinks we're gay magicians
< 1333135414 355411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, have fun with recent changes today.
< 1333135426 397639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean we are gay magicians, but.
< 1333135426 942093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1333135431 595216 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone who isn't insane still use cp1251?
< 1333135439 468931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alv- oh.
< 1333135452 425990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. UTF-8 is the only permissible encoding.
< 1333135478 168223 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-7
< 1333135498 112339 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun
< 1333135517 502231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-9 pls
< 1333135521 713747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it exists
< 1333135525 360094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-7
< 1333135528 366612 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does UTF-9.
< 1333135531 134691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1333135551 639325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy for 8-bit char systems.
< 1333135558 882268 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1333135563 376218 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no UTF-7 & UTF-9
< 1333135572 862626 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know. Just think about the amount of mojibake
< 1333135574 991062 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ���-8
< 1333135590 258449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: 文字化け悪いぜ
< 1333135605 845250 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: you wrote "only ãåà-8"
< 1333135627 627935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ãåà-8 is the best encoding
< 1333135632 836069 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, UTF-8
< 1333135674 886198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only &atilde;&aring;&agrave;-8.
< 1333135686 243243 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no no no! ANSII is the best
< 1333135687 548016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tilde, a ring, a grave. Minus eight.
< 1333135690 578216 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I would want to make you talk to my satanist schoolmate, but unfortunately she chats only on IRCNet
< 1333135698 173693 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VISCII!
< 1333135710 644839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCNet, more like IRsucksNet.
< 1333135719 270192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD MY SCATHING WIT
< 1333135720 20651 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: PETSCII.
< 1333135721 37798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's like a life story. The ring is marriage, the grave is death. I don't know what the tilde represents.
< 1333135727 654450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It represents a tilde.
< 1333135734 419471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOWAIT
< 1333135737 173061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a sperm.
< 1333135740 296807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh.
< 1333135740 458241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ~ looks kinda like a sperm.
< 1333135752 624229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tilde, a ring, a grave sounds like some esoteric incantation
< 1333135755 522556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very concise.
< 1333135757 191861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of sperm, is there anyone unambiguously gay around we could use to taunt alvur with?
< 1333135757 430352 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PETSCII was awesome
< 1333135773 975228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well duh.
< 1333135780 782912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm banishing alvur to the Realms of the Forbidden.
< 1333135785 803767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your sexual orientation? Is it unambiguous? 
< 1333135786 376373 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:/ sympathy :) all friends must appear, although it may be observed are particularly isolated; for instance, :) intensely acid fruit is kept before/ mind.
< 1333135797 807129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that was unambiguous.
< 1333135802 230467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds fun
< 1333135803 106982 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is wrong with IRCNet?
< 1333135814 25946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It has even more Finns than #esoteric.
< 1333135822 927401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Intensely acid fruit" is the best sexuality.
< 1333135837 497695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1333135837 659282 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1333135842 132936 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nerv network beats it
< 1333135848 289834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Darwin was on when he wrote that.
< 1333135855 525564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should put the Satanic Bible in.
< 1333135860 944921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin was the worst I could get.
< 1333135861 259500 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be gay is abnormal
< 1333135872 100413 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: why?
< 1333135880 459913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I came across Ubuntu Satanic Edition the other day.
< 1333135896 591721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Metal.
< 1333135900 210458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Speaking of sperm, is there anyone unambiguously gay around we could use to taunt alvur with? <-- a certain person with strangely similar nick _is_ present
< 1333135927 139516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/wp-content/themes/satanic/images/satanic-banner.jpg
< 1333135931 534867 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I once tried it's undead cd but it didn't want to boot.
< 1333135950 598839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was listed in that "Linux family tree" graphic, that's where I saw it.
< 1333135952 160699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Who?
< 1333135961 456380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a**ur
< 1333135974 10985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I thought you meant similar to "sperm".
< 1333135978 630621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was all, "Slereah" is nothing like "sperm".
< 1333135995 734215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But chances are e was, once!
< 1333135998 199694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's closer
< 1333136006 620448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So was everyone! EXCEPT: Jesus.
< 1333136007 898444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topical, see.
< 1333136019 468689 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, biology 
< 1333136032 252657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Infertile people are living in sin, right?
< 1333136038 948644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their sexings produce no babies either, after all.
< 1333136051 525276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not: I got castrated for NOTHING?
< 1333136057 976876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, when the holy ghost "came upon" whatsherface. There might've been some sticky stuff involved.
< 1333136060 713146 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alvur> oklopol, there's nothing uncountable but God!
< 1333136060 919093 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: what about transsexuals
< 1333136080 168764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Darwin was the worst I could get. <-- wait, fungot doesn't at least have principia discordia?
< 1333136081 256948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, I'm fine with transgender people. But the GAYS? BURN THEM"
< 1333136081 483145 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: chapter 2.xvi. down, june 5 1861.) :)/ phosphate :) lime. it is a pleasure worth taking some trouble about. in october two casks and a jar were sent by me to ascertain after how long an animal would survive if fed on fibrin alone, but in what proportion he could not, :) course, be correct, every one complained :)/ high importance :) this new fnord, from 1846 to fnord was largely occupied by his work on/ action :)/ male.
< 1333136088 885261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phosphate :) lime
< 1333136092 176848 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, um excuse me that would imply that R = God = P(R), Cantor wants a word with you.
< 1333136101 7431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's kinda of a short book, and the graphics wouldn't really translate.
< 1333136101 501456 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1333136101 663755 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1333136109 255127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cantor" is only $many letters away from "sinner".
< 1333136116 599217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Kinda of a!
< 1333136123 160011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is the Satanic Bible public domain? I don't really know.
< 1333136147 663855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1333136147 825459 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1333136160 749255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: OCCULT.
< 1333136161 636284 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the presence, nature, and becomes an idiot in consequence, dying less than a thousand miles, though i sometimes think they're a positive asset by way of atmosphere and description.
< 1333136162 276949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're even better than satanic, right?
< 1333136165 336283 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i had not seen a sample, as indeed his continued anaemic decline and increasing pallor prove better than any verbal argument. ward fnord with terrible things, but bided his time till he might shed the yaddith body, nor did the grotesqueness of deeming him an ancient author occur to me; i wished for the volume on the table he thought the centre lay amid the pathless desert of arabia, where irem, the city of a thousand pa
< 1333136174 666135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably not. Written in the 70s.
< 1333136184 17269 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, '69.
< 1333136200 368644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :69? HOW COINCIDENTAL.
< 1333136206 832247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay AND Satanic!
< 1333136207 447724 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nortti> elliott: we had mildly interesting private discussion after (s|)he had left the channel
< 1333136211 418460 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's s?he you idiot.
< 1333136223 92974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern 2 regex
< 1333136224 413966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What if you want to CAPTURE the S.
< 1333136229 913322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: UM excuse me Spivak demands it's (s?h)?e.
< 1333136240 280733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:s?h)?e
< 1333136248 48566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spivak is for GAYS
< 1333136272 162834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exactly; therefore by coven rules you must???
< 1333136273 108938 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really gays-magicians?
< 1333136276 920018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1333136278 482282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unquestionably.
< 1333136287 196772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we're in a channel about esoteric programming languages.
< 1333136287 362371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you my religion already
< 1333136297 651372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's gay magic.
< 1333136310 142814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not gay, i'm not anything yet
< 1333136345 124648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um no, it just so happens that everyone interested in esolangs is also a gay magician.
< 1333136357 761822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have given like even odds for a gayklopol.
< 1333136362 681397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I am a gay vampire, but vampires are, as we all know, magic.)
< 1333136373 396064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Much like friendship.)
< 1333136379 738213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> I don't know, when the holy ghost "came upon" whatsherface.  There might've been some sticky stuff involved. <-- the story is it's just ectoplasm, and they're sticking to it.
< 1333136410 970996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hole ghost came upon her face?
< 1333136414 25208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*holy
< 1333136422 271088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole ghost.
< 1333136427 712592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur, Ezekiel 23:20: YOUR THOUGHTS?
< 1333136447 540613 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any girls at this channel?
< 1333136456 462022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe???
< 1333136458 942331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be like one.
< 1333136466 788136 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not any more, it seems.
< 1333136470 280643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have more! But then they all turned gay.
< 1333136473 871227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we all know, only men can be gay.
< 1333136482 577412 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Galatea
< 1333136485 910591 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :631) <Phantom_Hoover> It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo.  <Phantom_Hoover> Also lesbian.
< 1333136513 913661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're meant to be ashamed that your most private fantasy got added to the quote base!
< 1333136516 869450 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also they were annoying, one extremely so.)
< 1333136528 984159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Lymia here like a day ago.
< 1333136541 174543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait how does that square with me being a gay vampi-- oh wait duh I'm a female gay vampire.
< 1333136550 724982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have girls, but:
< 1333136551 494483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote computational linguistics
< 1333136554 727611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1333136559 992730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: RETRO.
< 1333136565 885808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like number one.
< 1333136621 796540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational linguistics, the most powerful magic.  wait, that means a**ur _is_ a gay magician.
< 1333136624 43481 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any black people (niggers) here?
< 1333136644 732527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly finds his ban finger itchy

< 1333136659 356941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why.
< 1333136666 441367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Getting ready for if anyone says "yes", eh? 
< 1333136674 61371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think we need to hear any more.
< 1333136675 364335 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: You are either very racist or a troll
< 1333136685 122242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats fizzie -----###

< 1333136702 149321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you really want to encourage him?
< 1333136712 661446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Who, oerjan? 
< 1333136720 300284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know who.
< 1333136745 61819 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I'm a christian!
< 1333136746 475575 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: my irc background is black, so i don't know.
< 1333136776 247607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm Christian! That means I'm literally unable to be racist."
< 1333136796 375446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it _would_ mean that if christian meant anything
< 1333136803 726892 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: being christian doesn't mean you are not racist when you say racist comments
< 1333136826 545204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no jews or greeks", etc.
< 1333136830 995012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we end this? This is the second time they've been here; they're obviously not going to take the hint.
< 1333136833 335493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my ban finger started itching when he told me he doesn't believe in uncountable sets.
< 1333136846 655444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i _still_ don't have banning privileges.
< 1333136849 635225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that should be singular.
< 1333136856 537554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shocking!
< 1333136883 960003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is shocking?
< 1333136901 30217 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.58 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333136902 624456 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.58 QUIT :Changing host
< 1333136902 785962 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333136907 194291 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it's the name of their race
< 1333136912 98452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Speak of the Devil...
< 1333136919 799770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a racist cantor crank!
< 1333136945 127998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run @ oerjan quote 752  # Look, I found one. (It's like we have a quote for every concievable purpose.)
< 1333136947 978447 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 752) <tswett> Hey, I found Gregor on Spokeo.  He's a married black male in his late 50s who lives in an apartment worth about $37,000.  He did not go to college and works in sales.  <tswett> He lives in Detroit.  <tswett> I... think we might have found the wrong one.
< 1333136965 750182 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333136987 260366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that least comment wasn't visible in the fshg browser.
< 1333136995 456565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i before e, exceptly after c
< 1333137014 691105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"least"?
< 1333137048 809859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last.
< 1333137056 337066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing so hot today.
< 1333137056 657463 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are programmers. it seems to me
< 1333137077 518232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the "name of our race", as they say.
< 1333137088 247793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am using the grammatical construction whereby "they" means "racists".)
< 1333137151 327072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a programmer
< 1333137171 895506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're a closet programmer, I think.
< 1333137186 244585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've seen you paste some Python.)
< 1333137197 455420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just comparing sizes!!
< 1333137204 193072 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're talkin' about misunderstanding things
< 1333137207 799861 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only program for fun. It is not my profession
< 1333137240 323106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is really annoying, bitch don't understand a word i'm saying.
< 1333137298 457356 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, are you also Finnish?
< 1333137331 823984 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: yes, I am
< 1333137409 641638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When in doubt, Finnish" almost works on this channel. (Okay, it's not quite that bad. (Yet.))
< 1333137435 7507 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1333137548 325556 :frusti!1f1213fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.18.19.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333137558 469878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :frusti: are you finnish?
< 1333137575 994524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome frusti
< 1333137579 187687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frusti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333137593 434244 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you all finnish?))
< 1333137593 765843 :frusti!1f1213fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.18.19.254 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1333137602 893129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1333137619 414133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: nol
< 1333137621 429729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1333137661 32456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of those who are currently active, me, fizzie and nortti are
< 1333137677 181404 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am quite new here
< 1333137775 129250 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Torvalds is a finnish programmer. He created useless operating system
< 1333137779 46916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of those who also appear on the list and should be nickpinged for some random offences they're probably anyway guilty of, also atehwa, Deewiant, ineiros and ion are Finnish. (I may have missed someone.)
< 1333137796 640176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *must* be some sort of a troll thing, right? 
< 1333137852 916878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 7 out of 60
< 1333137906 119942 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you calculate how ...populationwise proportionately each country is represented here?
< 1333137914 842637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, come on already.
< 1333137917 647336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Based on population numbers, I think we should have 0.0472 Finns.
< 1333137918 246439 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what time is it now in Suomi?
< 1333137938 337970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: At least that's what W|A outputs if you write in "(population of finland)/(population of the world)*60".
< 1333137975 831311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you'll get a rather funny-looking graph about Finland's relative populationness from 1800 to 2009.)
< 1333137989 446301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like, for each country that appears here, how many times too many people we have here
< 1333137995 776636 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1333138006 932111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things were going well for us up until about 1917, and after that we've gone downhill. Coincidentally, that was when we gained our independence.
< 1333138023 796148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too few.  we _did_ have a chinese come by the other day.
< 1333138054 83459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right
< 1333138068 676424 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Why do you think that Linux is useless=
< 1333138071 946888 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1333138088 205208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :US might be the most correctly represented one?
< 1333138090 623439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mumbles something about feeding the troll.

< 1333138104 675297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the more pertinent question would be why e thinks that's his first name, if it were a serious comment.
< 1333138105 520172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7000000000/60
< 1333138106 422122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.1666666666666667e8
< 1333138111 358119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: do you believe in the variational principle
< 1333138115 84387 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until 1917 Finnland was a part of Russia. You should speak russian like your native language.
< 1333138119 470925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also mumbles something about the incredibly high standard for getting kicked here.

< 1333138153 993727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a country should have at least 116 million people to be both present and underrepresented here
< 1333138168 567798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would diminish your achievements if just about anyone could get kicked.
< 1333138174 55539 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, everybody uses Windows
< 1333138185 684773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE
< 1333138189 934974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, are we up to 7 billion already? 
< 1333138192 92773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles madly

< 1333138197 208038 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ages ago
< 1333138207 128028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex is just too much fun
< 1333138216 534557 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I use GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, FreeDOS, AmigaOS andReactOS
< 1333138225 448645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: last halloween
< 1333138238 691657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012. According to a separate estimate by the United Nations Population Fund, it reached this milestone on October 31, 2011."
< 1333138242 167858 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I don't know people who uses Linux at home PC
< 1333138243 284261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there are differing opinions.
< 1333138248 310827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1333138250 657653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I do.
< 1333138258 722254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: then again i suppose you know people who believe in god
< 1333138262 474106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: It's also irrelevant.
< 1333138262 693477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: There's enough people feeding him.
< 1333138275 599067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Let's just fuck this.
< 1333138280 827553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore alvur
< 1333138286 841072 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1333138287 244368 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1333138287 762655 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: I use it on my desktops and on my server
< 1333138298 672976 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some ad:
< 1333138298 834157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION awaits his kick!

< 1333138300 933647 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please consider cleaning your Mac from junk."
< 1333138305 477262 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I tried ReactOS
< 1333138308 777665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric elliott :O KAY
< 1333138314 266474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1333138335 367026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me now!
< 1333138342 24618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric oklopol :oklopol
< 1333138346 54249 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333138348 599616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reboot for new kernel and such
< 1333138354 769691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333138355 589993 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I politely request that I not be kicked.
< 1333138385 521898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think it's opt-in, not opt-out.
< 1333138393 748783 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I request that Gregor be kicked for his apparent absence.
< 1333138396 92329 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: did you like it. I think it was bit less stable than windows and that is something
< 1333138399 948177 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the who uses Linux looks like sectarians
< 1333138426 100882 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i have windows 7 and it has crashed about 0 times.
< 1333138426 484050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric alvur :alvur
< 1333138426 644122 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333138434 48943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secreterians.
< 1333138449 258378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, why does only elliott have the politeness to stay out
< 1333138487 454749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are channels where rejoining in less than five seconds or so converts a kick to a ban.
< 1333138496 99605 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: On our school Windows 7 crashes very frequently
< 1333138497 957567 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think when Reactos will be stable, 32-bit OS won't be used
< 1333138541 198676 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333138546 513041 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is any option you might wanna touch is in control panel -> stuff -> options -> advanced options -> change things -> really change things -> very advanced stuff -> printer options -> color themes -> screensaver options -> folder options -> ...
< 1333138586 841016 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you have to use some console command which you cannot really find documentation for.
< 1333138606 849855 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: Well, I still use 16bit operating systems and less frequently even 8bit ones
< 1333138615 864669 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp which i have on my laptop on the other hand is horrible
< 1333138639 266850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Srsly no kick?
< 1333138640 164571 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanna beat fistfully.
< 1333138646 966481 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beat it
< 1333138653 702030 :alvur!~alvur@178.89.139.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, do you have i286?
< 1333138659 701127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric pikhq :By request
< 1333138671 787934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*alvur@178.89.139.*
> 1333138671 808526 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1333138671 949158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric alvur :I think people are fed up now.
< 1333138678 779624 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333138685 667377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see you don't speak English.
< 1333138693 447991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There was also the kick you were referring to, while you were gone.
< 1333138697 511763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but alvur did get kicked.
< 1333138698 746907 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-30.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1333138705 614311 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alvur: no, but I am trying to get one. I have Amigas and old Macs
< 1333138707 285298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, you've been gone for both the kick and the kickban.
< 1333138726 289260 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti has to have all of his somewhat interesting conversations in pm :(
< 1333138775 535696 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can post logs if you weant
< 1333138778 623497 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want
< 1333138824 248832 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do
< 1333138840 339689 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they deep
< 1333138902 132721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe a 286 box would be hard to find. We might have one somewhere in Lieksa.
< 1333138903 92182 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we gonna talk about now that he's gone :(
< 1333138918 355107 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you subscribe to arxiv feeds?
< 1333138948 902647 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is such a thing as arxiv feeds?
< 1333138957 768244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you just want the CPU, you can apparently buy one for 3 eur.)
< 1333138988 778528 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i mean the thing where they send you articles submitted the day before in the categories you subscribe to
< 1333139011 13025 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have an rss feed
< 1333139014 122226 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: already browsing them.
< 1333139032 958631 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways_of_having_no_life++;
< 1333139044 141885 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i registered today
< 1333139048 367979 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/HO7CC
< 1333139049 303735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1333139053 409315 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write maths books,
< 1333139069 276327 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean complete computer
< 1333139082 257422 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sent an article to dynamical systems, and wondering if the choice of category was completely wrong
< 1333139094 209494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: subscribe?  do i look like i have the patience to read _actual_ papers any longer?
< 1333139098 629644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1333139098 644975 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1333139138 25151 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want one that can read 1,2MB 5" floppy disks (my 5" floppy drive doesn't write 360kB floppies)
< 1333139138 856256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, admittedly I couldn't find one from huuto.net right now. But still, there should be loads of those lying around. Ours is a complete system, and it was in working order... uh, I guess a decade or so ago when I last saw it.
< 1333139162 120732 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do i look like i don't have the patience to keep asking you this kind of stuff forever even though i'm fully aware of that?
< 1333139173 606172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. PLEASE.
< 1333139197 431993 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather not not have that kind of patience.
< 1333139220 997982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You could buy a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Computers_Catweasel -- from what a friend told me, it can convince just about any regular floppy drive to read quite a few floppies.
< 1333139267 329864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, or could if they'd still be selling those, I guess.
< 1333139286 977975 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOmfg! It supports Amiga Floppies! I must get one
< 1333139299 358456 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i may have missed the point of your pic, what was it?
< 1333139299 520198 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OMFG
< 1333139332 808971 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7
< 1333139727 551848 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333139812 908948 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, Ted Kaczynski is famous for sending letterbombs to universities as part of a neo-Luddite campaign.
< 1333139856 673286 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh xD
< 1333139873 501608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all people named kaczynski are crazy.  just ask the poles.
< 1333140143 229235 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333140151 761321 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/RxIRh
< 1333140228 309285 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he also known as unabomber or am I confusing he to someone else?
< 1333140236 342220 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was about to say something to elliott, but I note that oerjan is sticking fast to his policy of not kicking trolls unless he can also kick at least one productive member of the channel.
< 1333140242 862748 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes, he was.
< 1333140312 347469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "collateral damage", I think.
< 1333140320 661710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey one of them got so crazy they had to get the russians to put him down!
< 1333140324 420515 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1333140324 443314 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1333140329 584049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric oerjan :oerjan
< 1333140345 970664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333140381 501066 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years ago our department got this letter from some crazy person
< 1333140387 321856 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i remembered what it said
< 1333140405 620881 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for fuck's sake, if oerjan's going to continue acting like an idiot can you use your op powers?
< 1333140426 702393 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway he wished us a happy year and said he likes quantum physics. it looked like it was written by a 5yo, but apparently it wasn't the first letter from him.
< 1333140428 2909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: CANTOR'S PROOF IS WRONG, of course.  except in finnish.
< 1333140437 336246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you try to stay out of that kind of thing, but ais isn't really here that much.
< 1333140440 947201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait what, is there an actual troll i've missed?
< 1333140446 649652 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not so much crazy
< 1333140457 99260 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as probably literally retarded
< 1333140483 710570 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: elliott asked for it
< 1333140531 342713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I'm too tired to play your complex game of irony right now.
< 1333140543 421012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all have our strict rules; oerjan's the kick-nado (a furious whirlpool of kicks), while mine is "ruminate on things until they cease to be a problem". (It's hard to say which one is worse.)
< 1333140583 871414 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay we can try again tomorrow
< 1333140592 198837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is that oerjan normally ruminates on things until they cease to be a problem until you actually try to get him to do something at which point he acts as passive-aggressively as he can.
< 1333140594 764620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was about that elliott hasn't joined again?
< 1333140604 63967 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I really only one who likes ed editor?
< 1333140606 712595 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333140633 304521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed! it's the standard editor.
< 1333140635 705362 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well i like the drink
< 1333140643 286323 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would never edit it
< 1333140670 802189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey i just couldn't resist misinterpreting elliott for a cheap joke.  otherwise i would probably have continued ruminating.
< 1333140683 698247 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, stop this 'joke' shit.
< 1333140699 743569 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a multitasking operating system with it
< 1333140722 193674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i see.
< 1333140725 326229 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap jokes once in a while are fine, but you do it /in lieu of actually doing any of the duties expected of an op/.
< 1333140745 827649 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is scary :(
< 1333140768 203953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well duh, I'm a gay vampire.
< 1333140776 153157 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires are scary.
< 1333140783 831625 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very SERIOUS gay vampire!
< 1333140784 530897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it wasn't in lieu.  if i hadn't joked, i would simply have waited further until alvur had said something more kickworthy.
< 1333140887 536287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm not convinced he said anything such between me opping myself and finally banning him.
< 1333140964 810262 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: soooooooo, how about that graph showing how well countries are represented.
< 1333140996 591353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Is that just a cheap attempt to change the topic, or are you actually expecting me to do something? (Because I'm not.)
< 1333140998 240226 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a function of time
< 1333141008 510980 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, where the /hell/ do you draw the line for kickworthiness?
< 1333141010 255333 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: both
< 1333141032 136584 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think poor anvil even disrupted the channel really
< 1333141052 947397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to see you actually kick someone worthy of it without being repeatedly asked.
< 1333141105 12814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Possibly he doesn't consider talking about ReactOS kickworthy? I mean, that's about all alvur said after oerjan's +o; that, and the bit about "looks like sectarians", which IMO was mostly just confusing.
< 1333141133 661891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which means i have a rather different opinion than the trigger-happy people here about what _is_ worthy of a kick.  which may very well be one reason fizzie made me an op in the first place.
< 1333141166 845418 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that and the racism and the homophobia.
< 1333141186 112677 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean really, you're saying you're going to warn someone after that?
< 1333141228 772810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that all happened before i opped myself.  that was intended as a final warning.  ... i wrote that before your last line so i guess it would be hypocritical not to press return.
< 1333141239 382954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I would. Not that I'd have high hopes the warning would do much good.
< 1333141241 896166 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you make me an op, i promise to only kickban people if they suck at math
< 1333141256 711843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I don't think we want to be a mathist channel. :/
< 1333141272 563111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I'd get kickbanned.)
< 1333141333 944679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it would be slightly easier not to turn op actions into a joke if people didn't joke about it much more often that it is actually needed...
< 1333141340 750621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than it is
< 1333141375 107182 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the reason people joke about it is because you're such a complete idiot about it.
< 1333141401 301841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1333141406 504005 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, even /if/ opping yourself was the final warning, why did you only kick him?
< 1333141429 679653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok that was part of the stupid joke.  i got carried away by that point.
< 1333141443 147124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Don't get carried away, OK?
< 1333141460 72665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Op 101 provided by Phantom_Hoover.
< 1333141462 381654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't think he said anything especially awful (or especially anything) after the "warning", even if the warning part was rather implied.
< 1333141502 699131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which makes me rather confused when people continue to say they're /ignoring him during that time.
< 1333141543 629570 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He shifted his trolling a little more towards the "actually an idiot" side.
< 1333141550 366653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is there some subtext which is obvious to everyone _but_ me?
< 1333141567 712838 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it wasn't bannable in itself, in context it was clearly just trying to keep a slightly lower profile.
< 1333141605 488202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, pikhq ignored him, presumably because he knew this would happen.
< 1333141610 720982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else did,.
< 1333141845 17133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really can't construe the ReactOS/i286 stuff as obvious trolling. I mean, I wouldn't be very surprised if it turned out he actually had tried it out; it's such a weird thing to single out, otherwise. The Linux/sectarian bit, maybe.
< 1333141969 672144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you said some non-trolling things does not stop you from being a troll.
< 1333141986 774629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: This "Earth" MMORPG is completely incomprehensible
< 1333142068 978921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Hey, we're winning -- but W|A thinks you will eventually crush us: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28population+of+finland%29%2F%28population+of+norway%29
< 1333142069 309590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333142072 846818 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is missing first few lines, but otherwise it is complete log: http://paste.dy.fi/Ivd/plain
< 1333142119 561344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I would think the whole point about a warning is that you wait for some post-warning actual trolling to happen.
< 1333142153 960063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You posted confidential stuff. :/ :/ :\
< 1333142281 531445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333142288 704355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2012-03-31 00:00:50] <alvur> in confidence, I'm an atheist.)) now I'm going to bed. bye bye!
< 1333142308 167176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that "))" some sort of a smiley, incidentally? 
< 1333142312 6636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proven: Getting kicked from #esoteric is easy, so long as you're not actually trolling.
< 1333142325 518481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are, then it'll take more than flinging slurs.
< 1333142458 201335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333142768 544789 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.230.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1333142876 279996 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: err, didn't that prove that he _was_ trolling?
< 1333143078 877524 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything
< 1333143291 443111 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean yourself
< 1333143832 578415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Yes, of course it proved that.
< 1333143839 418220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my point.
< 1333143906 403343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i now realize you probably agree with ph
< 1333143922 116174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of me and oerjan
< 1333143931 300355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you hear? We're sockpuppets.
< 1333143938 99848 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333143944 404635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait whose sockpuppets
< 1333143945 371580 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PART :#esoteric
< 1333143955 892465 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333143958 403705 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333143959 316167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Phantom_Hoover, apparently.
< 1333144000 318562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait you and ph are both sockpuppets and you are also the same sockpuppet?
< 1333144039 871160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you know what "sockpuppet" means.
< 1333144065 431504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently not, just wp'd
< 1333144068 222299 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-229-9.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1333144078 703760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1333144084 554293 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's what i assumed you meant
< 1333144279 606062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't understand the confusion.
< 1333144291 431113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really my question is valid for any meaning of sockpuppet.
< 1333144339 262215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which question, again?
< 1333144350 176653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose by "we're sockpuppets", you could just mean that you are in a sockpuppety relation
< 1333144354 360560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then everything would make sense
< 1333144364 945610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "so wait you and ph are both sockpuppets and you are also the same sockpuppet?"
< 1333144416 760275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that Phantom_Hoover is me.
< 1333144430 893218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a significantly stupider question when sockpuppet means something that makes identity questions complicated. which was why i asked.
< 1333144494 45683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph is marginally better at math, otherwise i'd believe that
< 1333144506 245593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really the only thing i care about in a person
< 1333144529 183090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the color of their nick
< 1333144551 928239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is a manly shade of pink.
< 1333144569 493265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a reference probably only two regulars here know the details of, so it does not really matter.
< 1333144571 667000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three
< 1333144660 586126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you being an elliotist.
< 1333144696 810926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work way better if your name was eliot
< 1333144735 989172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a story behind those beautiful geminates of yours?
< 1333144789 207600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A story?
< 1333144840 486631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1333144850 215250 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan kicked you too hard
< 1333144893 265180 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah did you ever ask your parents
< 1333144948 61241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was named without regard to the number of ls or ts.
< 1333144973 306241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1333144998 347445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents are very conservative about the number of repetitions of consonants.
< 1333145004 456955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I was born my mother reportedly replied "all of them" to whoever was asking how many ls and ts there are.
< 1333145015 734650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I have all of them.
< 1333145019 924668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god you're still elliott
< 1333145045 757781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you might have gotten some sort of brain injury from the kick
< 1333145066 294216 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sami, which is spoken somewhere here in finland
< 1333145070 542171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are triple geminates
< 1333145117 888279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :three different lengths that actually carry meaning.
< 1333145128 343946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly is that.
< 1333145136 695675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not silly.
< 1333145140 856692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense.
< 1333145169 91788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> how silly is that.  <oklopol> it's not silly.  <oklopol> it makes sense.
< 1333145172 74685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :834) <oklopol> how silly is that.  <oklopol> it's not silly.  <oklopol> it makes sense.
< 1333145179 210393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally taken out of context.
< 1333145205 157472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's hundreds of megabytes of irc logs around it
< 1333145238 12446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he has no idea how many bytes #esologs actually are.

< 1333145334 493836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifty to sixty or so
< 1333145340 334440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uncompressed)
< 1333145343 693822 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes?
< 1333145354 590522 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mB?
< 1333145372 179116 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was just too much work to capitalize both)
< 1333145374 246013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :megas
< 1333145401 56111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was close then.
< 1333145438 625708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough for it to be a bad q
< 1333145440 449732 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1333145446 665692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess instead of an intentional random number
< 1333145455 361802 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :common typo, that
< 1333146045 898393 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
< 1333148164 480716 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1333148185 593432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1333148210 846210 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I thought lifestream was taking the class.
< 1333148230 627217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't.
< 1333148248 356276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1333148260 69123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becausen't.
< 1333148719 73169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/127628/for-casting-the-vote-on-sackoverflow
< 1333148810 391459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like all of this daylight saving time; just wake up at sunrise
< 1333148907 717632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like wake up at surnise
< 1333148963 549733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If zzo38 becomes king, you'll be forced to wake up at surnise every day.
< 1333148994 427830 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I want to wake up at sunset instead
< 1333149012 339943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you won't. It only means I would wake up at sunrise I would not force other people to do so
< 1333149031 856018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if sunrise is at 2 am??? / / / 
< 1333149072 6895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38 would make you do it.
< 1333149078 430946 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should elect me king instead.
< 1333149157 678617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't make you do anything.
< 1333149188 546681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1333149259 777273 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't make you do anything, please.
< 1333149281 964526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1333149502 709052 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you trying to convince elliott to vote for you?
< 1333149608 511121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1333149922 286164 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333149931 276288 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1333149971 557508 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333150218 654748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make #haskell ten times better with one new rule.
< 1333150227 580673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No synthesising your own answers to common problems.
< 1333150293 732879 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the thing kmc usually says?
< 1333150298 887240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it?
< 1333150303 390934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're a good person.
< 1333150483 736047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dobblego> when I talk about state, I talk about problems that programmers are used to, and pseudo-solutions too -- such as "dependency injection"
< 1333150483 935805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dobblego> then I say, watch me solve your problem, with the critical difference, that it will work
< 1333150488 498190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program do you prefer for drawing logos and fonts and whatever? I prefer METAFONT, I think it is best one; but other people might use other stuff if you prefer it
< 1333150498 949274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally I will use the killer functional tool no imperative programmer has access too -- GLOBAL STATE!"
< 1333150500 506470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to
< 1333150570 550908 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333150678 718351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ~/logs/freenode/#esoteric is 209M, and that's just post-2009-03-17. Of course there's possibly some amount of more formatting, but still.
< 1333150696 88187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, really?
< 1333150699 399529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 50 circa like 2008
< 1333150721 810474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the directory that's everything I have from before that is 53M.
< 1333150752 615649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1333150781 67952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/1z6e
< 1333150821 587896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's changed from the "K era" to the "M era" approximately during 2007.
< 1333150960 584321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: All the logs up to 2007 were less than a megabyte?
< 1333150968 518751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's per-qtr.
< 1333150977 409967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per-month.
< 1333150984 405824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing.
< 1333151028 64041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also gaps in the places where I didn't rememer to rejoin for some months.
< 1333151153 648650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the numbers surrounding the missing months are somewhat dubious for obvious reasons. But I didn't have a local copy of the actual log'llection handy.)
< 1333151181 164105 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333151288 127897 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-46.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333151421 399932 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-69.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333151816 899233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-69.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1333152001 89087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp derp
< 1333152312 8182 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many programs are there that can typeset to DVI files? I know of TeX, GFtoDVI, and I think GNU troff has an option to output DVI as well. GNU Lilypond has partial support for DVI output. Are there others?
< 1333152419 569085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church turing thesis posits there are at most 4 such programs
< 1333152441 41271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can the Church-Turing thesis posit such things?
< 1333152456 670294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(posit is possibly the best verb in the world)
< 1333152665 638721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making the Haskell library for both input and output of DVI. It even does ligature and kerning.
< 1333153000 277845 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-150-46.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1333153069 425587 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333153133 962362 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was only trying to use a bot to edit the page about UniCode/fill in all Unicode characters in the table
< 1333153155 509994 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not trying to make an edit using my bot to any other page.
< 1333153172 768151 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-62.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333153208 167673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: A bot can have serious negative effects even if it's coded to only edit one page.
< 1333153338 701383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a really bad thing for recent changes to be filled up with edits summarised only as "Wikipedia python library" when a bot's going wrong.
< 1333153500 654249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: "fill in all unicode characters"? why does the eso wiki need that?
< 1333153602 283228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: if you want a bot to do something, it'd be a better idea to run the bot locally (without it modifying the wiki in any way), review the changes, and then add a single change with whatever the bot did (if you think it did something good)
< 1333153610 78739 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have fixed the problem - if I don't delete and re-create the Page object before running Page.get() a second, third, etc. time, page.get() will always return the data that was in the page when the Page object was created. http://pastebin.com/mefcu3EV
< 1333153644 917689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esolangs.org is not the appropriate environment to discover these bugs in your bot
< 1333153648 440974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: That makes one edit per character.
< 1333153662 243907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with olsner that the best thing to do would be to generate the wikicode you want locally (through any means you wish), then copying that to the page.
< 1333153671 955967 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page about UniCode should show every unicode character and instruction in the table.
< 1333153691 418562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having every Unicode character on a page wouldn't work, by the way.
< 1333153701 126733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be an astronomically large page and likely cause problems with browsers.
< 1333153754 480274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even just every Unicode character, with no additional wikicode arround it, is 100 kilobytes, way above the maximum size wiki pages can be without causing problems.)
< 1333153861 591386 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=UniCode&action=edit&oldid=31630 (Restore this revision)
< 1333153892 477845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't think it's exactly what I say
< 1333153924 778390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "when we synthesize new answers, let's do so in a persistent editable medium so we can combine and refine them, rather than just shouting them at each other"
< 1333153939 870373 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe your objection is less to syntehsizing and more to typing in answers of any kind to common questions in IRC.
< 1333153945 761391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1333153957 340388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: I don't think the table will mislead anyone as it is; it's less than a day until you'll be able to revert it yourself.
< 1333153968 841770 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've seen the standard answers improve over ~6 years of lurking in #haskell on and off
< 1333153979 804200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would be loathe to institute a moratorium on new answers!
< 1333153996 433865 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know that trying to fill in all the unicode tables would increase the page size to almost 7MB
< 1333154027 650852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have they improved as a result of people answering the same question?
< 1333154041 133148 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one Unicode character added to the table doesn't increase the page size to 100KB. It increases the page size to 100-104 bytes.
< 1333154048 560356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's more likely that they improved as a result of context/person-specific questions.
< 1333154068 528277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What I know is that people disagree about the answers, even questions that should have a proper answer people disagree, such as:   data CoPh x;   Does this make a monad? Does this make a comonad? I think it makes a comonad but not a monad; other people disagree
< 1333154070 943234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that someone suddenly came up with a better answer for "what is a monad?" the 500th time it was asked the same way.
< 1333154113 98776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: Well, I'm not exactly sure what your bot is designed to do, because you haven't told anyone.
< 1333154116 727875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least how I would say, is, you should first understand what is an endofunctor
< 1333154184 984414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: If it's just to add a line to the table on request to avoid retyping it, then wouldn't a MediaWiki template do just as well?
< 1333154221 258760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not suddenly no
< 1333154240 685202 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Do you think it would be at least better to split all the UniCode characters into subpages of [[UniCode]] and put them all in the wikitext as "{{:UniCode/TR1}} {{:UniCode/TR2}} ..."?
< 1333154283 898801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be worse, since it would result in tens to hundreds of pages.
< 1333154290 910587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, what does unicode have to do with the eso wiki? unicode.org has everything you could ever want to know about it
< 1333154306 218822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: But I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish with the bot in the first place, like I said.
< 1333154318 868878 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what about every UniCode instruction?
< 1333154333 412875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you make subpages, Unicode/00xxx Unicode/01xxx ... Unicode/10xxx ?
< 1333154363 795399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think we need more than that...
< 1333154377 995601 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't UniCode long dead anyway?
< 1333154382 831059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it ever alive?
< 1333154413 230480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode/000xxx Unicode/001xxx Unicode/002xxx .... Unicode/00Fxxx Unicode/010xxx ... Unicode/0F0xxx Unicode/100xxx I think that is the maximum one.
< 1333154422 295845 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UniCode has 65536 characters, each one would be assigned to a UniCode instruction.
< 1333154438 1234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some astral planes are private use so don't use those ones
< 1333154449 629397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some code points are surrogates so don't use those either
< 1333154452 798643 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the Unicode characters and UniCode programming language instructions to think of.
< 1333154465 172606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: Incorrect.
< 1333154469 236647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has more than 110,000 characters.
< 1333154476 909651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been bigger than 16 bits for a long time now.
< 1333154505 477732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since 1996, in fact)
< 1333154561 917371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthmermore, a glyph consists of one or more codepoints.
< 1333154565 798116 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode only has 65536 characters. It's Unicode Big Endian which has more than 110,000 characters. Actually, most operating systems still only support ASCII, ANSI, and Unicode, not Unicode Big Endian.
< 1333154572 31121 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: FAIL
< 1333154594 658775 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333154613 611046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Unicode Big Endian is only an encoding of Unicode, it is not a different Unicode.
< 1333154614 938266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1996, a surrogate character mechanism was implemented in Unicode 2.0, so that Unicode was no longer restricted to 16 bits. This increased the Unicode codespace to over a million code points, which allowed for the encoding of many historic scripts (e.g. Egyptian Hieroglyphs) and thousands of rarely-used or obsolete characters that had not been anticipated as needing encoding."
< 1333154623 970666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode defines a codespace of 1,114,112 code points in the range 0hex to 10FFFFhex."
< 1333154626 166009 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"big endian" isn't a single encoding either
< 1333154634 507483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: NSQX is wrong about unicode
< 1333154661 845734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: The latest Unicode standard contains 110,116 characters.
< 1333154672 819017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the BIG ENDIAN unicode, biggest unicode yet
< 1333154718 155955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Windows support astral planes these days?
< 1333154721 499473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GTK does. Does Qt still not yet?
< 1333154722 278513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big indian unicode http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf
< 1333154723 898094 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Unicode is not *itself* a character encoding, but rather a set of characters, with several encodings.
< 1333154725 659374 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the C wchar_t only supports character codes up to 65536.
< 1333154729 193612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect
< 1333154729 716821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Windows has for a decade now.
< 1333154742 437454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: wchar_t is of implementation-designed size, it can be as little as 8 bits
< 1333154742 846230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, wrong again, it's so on Windows but on UNIX it's usually 32 bits
< 1333154759 493183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell specifies the Char is Unicode from 0hex to 10FFFFhex, but I think, Ibtlfmm shall go up to FFFFFFhex and the implementation is not required to be Unicode, it can use anything, as long as it is ASCII.
< 1333154759 854163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 5 years, I think most web browsers will even fully support astral planes
< 1333154766 421909 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's just get on with planning the UniCode language instructions now.
< 1333154774 152377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX, start by understanding Unicode?
< 1333154791 853690 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: On Windows, wchar_t is a 16 bit type. However, it is typically used with UTF-16, which can encode all of Unicode.
< 1333154804 695554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means one wchar_t isn't necessarily one character
< 1333154811 552131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even setting aside combining characters)
< 1333154817 772531 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prior to Windows XP, it was more typically UCS-16, which encodes only the base multilingual plane)
< 1333154839 877771 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can utif-8 also handle all of unicode?
< 1333154840 39758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, GHC also allows invalid Unicode characters like '\xD800'; I don't know if that's addressed in the spec
< 1333154843 408651 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes.
< 1333154844 770070 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, yes
< 1333154845 349975 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*utf-8
< 1333154848 108979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes
< 1333154851 545224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is a wonderfully designed encoding
< 1333154858 764658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 actually has *much* more space than is necessary.
< 1333154878 452110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 could in theory represent a 32-bit space.
< 1333154931 479298 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do know that; I have tried it. I don't know if the spec mentions that either. But I would make the new one, instead of being Unicode, it is simply 24-bits and all values are valid, and it does not matter what character set you use as long as it is ASCII.
< 1333154949 432656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any colour you want, as long as it's black
< 1333154965 194964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333154998 777434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do know, UTF-8 can be used to encode numbers beyond Unicode (although if you do so, it will not make a valid Unicode text data)
< 1333155019 546765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah. NSQX does not.
< 1333155055 541669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is not what I mean
< 1333155067 856127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :)
< 1333155180 314253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1333155258 513474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: BTW, every OS that's not hilariously archaic uses a Unicode transformation format, with everything else considered a legacy feature.
< 1333155280 473309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unices on UTF-8, OS X on UTF-8, Windows on UTF-8 and UTF-16...
< 1333155494 509020 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 QUIT :
< 1333155543 997926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1333155652 886236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will usually use ASCII; my feature for new computer and system, uses NK (8-bits encoding) internally, but FBUCE (which is 16-bits encoding, alhough character codes as 12-bits and the other 4-bits are used for other features) can also be used, as well as any other 8-bits encoding which can transform to FBUCE (NK also can transform to FBUCE). FBUCE has 512 control characters, and has some characters which are not part of Unicode, but does not h
< 1333155750 79644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode should also define non-surrogate purposes of surrogate codes, such as to represent keystrokes which have no character code. They are not needed in text but can be used in a GHC Char and so on.
< 1333156181 864110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't it be allowed to use "data instance" where "type instance" is expected?
< 1333156291 531866 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You mean, instead of defining a data type on your own and then making a type synonym to it?
< 1333156320 27025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1333156346 186750 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a reasonable thing to do. data instance and type instance are different things.
< 1333156408 774184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know data instance and type instance are different things. But if you use "data instance" where "type instance" is expected (or "data" instead of "type" in a class instance declaration), it should be able to make up an anonymous datatype and use that.
< 1333157884 122570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, NSQX just evaded their block and vandalised my old user page.
< 1333157911 770949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lengthened their block to a week. I suspect it should be longer.
< 1333158203 777609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:202.156.14.101 And there we go.
< 1333158395 422509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. I... Think the lottery's jackpot went high enough that you can expect a slight profit from tickets.
< 1333158414 725313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Unlikely; see:
< 1333158418 781531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://r6.ca/blog/20090522T015739Z.html
< 1333158509 558709 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not to say that it overcomes the near-guarantee you'll lose your $1.
< 1333158540 4670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the probabilities still even that out. The point is that the $1 is way, way too big unless you're super rich.
< 1333158602 301518 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, $640 million payout with 1 in 175,711,536 odds of jackpot are fairly obscene.
< 1333158647 171410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should note that I've not gone out and paid anything, because 175,711,535 in 175,711,536 odds of losing $1 are not odds I like much)
< 1333158723 862371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yeah, I think the situation here is nearly the same as the linked one.
< 1333158740 910187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty bad investment unless you've got several million already.
< 1333158827 351375 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it amuses me that it's theoretically possible to make a profit from lottery tickets.
< 1333158850 676280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, theoretically possible to *expect* a profit from them.
< 1333158942 784821 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: there was a post on reddit calculating that if you bought every possible ticket and didn't split the jackpot, you would earn $400M
< 1333158971 843206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds non-trivial
< 1333159024 399541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Iff you get the annuity option, I assume.
< 1333159045 300553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't account for the income tax.
< 1333159054 289737 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That was assuming 50% tax
< 1333159060 490533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1333159063 882531 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1333159074 340692 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DLwLF.jpg
< 1333159079 860629 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wrong
< 1333159081 400409 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 70<
< 1333159083 343450 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*70M
< 1333159086 796913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible
< 1333159132 960688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The figures are off the cash option payout.
< 1333159148 783088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... Is a bit silly.
< 1333159162 954902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently that's nearly $200 million that just up and disappears.
< 1333159211 938324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, taking the annuity would mean there would be a few *years* before you profit.
< 1333159229 902346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long would it take to buy all the tickets? :p
< 1333159257 836973 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. How fast are the printers?
< 1333159289 187486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only it take a long time but it would cost a lot of money and energy too
< 1333159324 786273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can buy a large amount of tickets at a time.
< 1333159343 695096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shops selling them have printers that generate them.
< 1333159360 42919 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide and conquer
< 1333159367 681569 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 175 million tickets
< 1333159381 848055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, given the amount of money at hand you could probably pay people to help buy tickets.
< 1333159393 556768 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or create a giant collective
< 1333159409 156222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. A corporation could actually go out and do this.
< 1333159422 15940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lottery Winners, Inc."
< 1333159425 682257 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, just pay the retailers to convince everyone buying tickets to get in on it :P
< 1333159461 197635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to select which number you want, too; try to select the number that nobody else is going to select.
< 1333159468 396130 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a business model. Buy in to lotteries with EV greater than the ticket.
< 1333159483 728188 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly
< 1333159489 794413 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: convince every buyer to get in on it
< 1333159508 314796 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In the lottery scheme in question, tickets aren't *necessarily* unique.
< 1333159520 305280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<coppro> you need 175 million tickets
< 1333159521 424080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all?
< 1333159526 581403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that lotteries really don't like people gaming them, though.
< 1333159534 879959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont' mind
< 1333159537 210923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there's regulations to stop this kind of stuff at a way smaller scale.
< 1333159540 743099 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they care about is people thinking they can be gamed
< 1333159541 413262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gaming them in this *particular* way is generally acceptable.
< 1333159554 169965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Fair enough.
< 1333159562 101595 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not some unintended consequence, but rather a mere coincidence.
< 1333159570 481280 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't really care if someone is secretly buying all the good scratchcards
< 1333159584 741798 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will buy the duds
< 1333159595 762545 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all they need to do is keep the secret from getting out
< 1333159597 285940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that the jackpot only gets this high when there's been a few weeks of no jackpot being awarded.
< 1333159612 432424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, even when each ticket has positive EV, they've made a profit.
< 1333159986 678187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a variant of video poker which can be played using scratch lottery cards
< 1333160714 123710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going by the webserver logs, NSQX is still running that bot. I can't tell why.
< 1333160926 560933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules: Before discarding any cards, you must announce what number of cards you want to discard. However. after each discard, you can look at the replacement card before deciding which card you want to discard next. (But you are not allowed to discard the replacement cards.)
< 1333161056 492658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333161057 157233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 03:30:56
< 1333161279 548989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much advantage does the player have in this variant of video poker?
< 1333161369 75492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have called this game "scratch poker")
< 1333162363 413599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333162364 29258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 03:52:43
< 1333162371 251031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333162374 398600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for pikhq_ is Fri Mar 30 20:52:25 2012
< 1333162393 409677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When do you sleep?
< 1333162394 991452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're time is wrong
< 1333162410 374807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: uh probably like 4ish
< 1333162427 689172 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-172.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntpd says my time is right.
< 1333162521 832588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1333162708 489895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <monqy> esolang a horror movie where the ghost just wanders around and moves newspapers and boots and family pictures a few inches before moving on
< 1333162711 740248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :835) <monqy> esolang a horror movie where the ghost just wanders around and moves newspapers and boots and family pictures a few inches before moving on
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< 1333166404 104792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone may eventually notice the movement, or notice that something is wrong even if they don't know what it is
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< 1333170654 609465 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1333170659 780495 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1333170664 665353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1333170666 76645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333170911 533744 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1333172215 19528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is that the ghost hand just wanters around and move everything just one inch?
< 1333172219 105231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not?
< 1333172234 268045 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a ghost?
< 1333172242 943368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it very well may be that ghost
< 1333172901 705739 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sounds like the information you gave me about NYC pizza is outdated: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/nyregion/in-manhattan-pizza-war-price-of-slice-keeps-dropping.html?pagewanted=all
< 1333172933 600336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just heard about this
< 1333172954 9705 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how did you hear about it?
< 1333172987 132411 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet.
< 1333173025 75731 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they have the internet on computers now
< 1333173097 781318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but that Internet tastes kind of mechanical.
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< 1333175462 942896 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1333175742 62573 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arimaa game room stores passwords in plaintext. Because fuck security, that's why.
< 1333176054 486578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1333176056 275240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1333176485 424837 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, game designed to be easy for humans to learn and hard for computers to be good at
< 1333177821 841803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they implement Haskell Dynamic like that?   data Dynamic where { Dynamic :: forall x. Typeable x => x -> Dynamic; }; castDyn :: Typeable x => Dynamic -> Maybe x; castDyn (Dynamic x) = cast x;
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< 1333180335 762453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> that's totally taken out of context. <-- but very oklo.
< 1333180336 41427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1333180343 514391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1333180343 778437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 37m 48s ago: Hey, we're winning -- but W|A thinks you will eventually crush us: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28population+of+finland%29%2F%28population+of+norway%29
< 1333180449 614810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they say many quotations here are put out of context? (Including when I am quoted too; not only you)
< 1333180485 52784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Well we like passed 5 millions just this month, while much of Europe is (about to start|) _shrinking_... no idea if finland is.
< 1333180485 298645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333180512 805038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably;  your style is also very characteristic and therefore does not always need context.
< 1333180586 28520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose those quotes would still be confusing to someone who isn't a channel regular.
< 1333180613 537419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably
< 1333182190 27422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, our derivative of population did peak in 1945 (with 3.5 children/woman), then dropped to 1.5 in 1970s, then been stuck at 1.8 for the last three decades or so.  There's a nice "population pyramid -> population weirdo-tower-thing" comparison graph midway down http://www.stat.fi/tup/suomi90/joulukuu_en.html
< 1333182254 509744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: norway is also slightly lower than replacement level, so we grow due to immigration.
< 1333182402 561465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Statistics Finland folks do say we're still somewhat growing too, according to http://www.stat.fi/til/vaenn/2009/vaenn_2009_2009-09-30_tie_001_en.html
< 1333182491 646931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to the projection, the annual number of deaths will exceed births in 2034, but net immigration is forecast to sustain population growth even after this."
< 1333182590 233240 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a pipe http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0F/screen0.png
< 1333182609 342200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a pipe: |
< 1333182794 300356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ssb.no/en/folkfram/ says we may pass 6 million in 2028, which is a while before you
< 1333182926 110481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Jyte?  http://jyte.com/profile/zzo38computer.cjb.net
< 1333182966 528933 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that is a vertical bar.
< 1333182979 457652 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait
< 1333182986 906764 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a *broken* pipe, i missed a gap
< 1333183019 222215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's VERTICAL LINE.
< 1333183019 752098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees no gap

< 1333183020 793524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks healthy to me
< 1333183032 340681 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your'e fonts broken
< 1333183035 987124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's gappy, sometimes it's not. It's certainly not BROKEN BAR.
< 1333183087 996907 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1333183119 543712 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both | and ¦ looks same for me... :(
< 1333183121 616370 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look*
< 1333183182 517366 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :having more people is not winning.
< 1333183191 613217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain | is nasty that way, though I think the non-gappy versions are more popular.
< 1333183192 878985 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the opposite of winning
< 1333183198 113717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┆ is like doubly broken.
< 1333183199 975079 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwinning.
< 1333183214 719907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ununlosing
< 1333183437 603665 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you more easily name 150 pokemons or 150 United States presidents?
< 1333183547 335060 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can name maybe like 2 us presidents
< 1333183570 244741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think anyone could name 150 US presidents.
< 1333183577 578943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've had like fourty-something.
< 1333183596 187626 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333183610 839547 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :44
< 1333183635 116441 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this feeling that they'd had ridiculously many
< 1333183652 464485 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they'd like been passing president coupons at some point
< 1333183680 391833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've just got twelve, so we're even worse off. Unless having a lot of presidents is also not winning.
< 1333183758 299654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even live in United States so I cannot name many US presidents either.
< 1333183779 914442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has _any_ country had 150 presidents.
< 1333183804 282499 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of more than a half of us presidents :/
< 1333183829 743707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, if I W|A "president", it returns Finland's new one. I wonder if it geolocatimates or something.
< 1333183873 600431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It appears to; when I enter things such as sunset and so on, it also uses my location.
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< 1333183916 833986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll know that variable has started learning haskell when he changes nick to TVar
< 1333183922 694146 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you really seem to like the sky, what's that about?
< 1333183935 52040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to; if I try it from the United States, it returns that Osama dude.
< 1333183980 137015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there is a conspiracy theory that osama and obama are the same person

< 1333184008 210834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's all my fault for making the agora horoscope
< 1333184016 689755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also Saddam. (Cf. Barack Hussein Obama II.)
< 1333184024 783584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1333184051 34876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Have *you* ever looked at the sky, or do you stay inside all the time, in room with no windows? I occasionally go walk outside (and will see the moon, and Venus, and Mercury, and sun, and sometimes the stars); I do not stay inside all the time
< 1333184133 432209 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like seeing the sun
< 1333184135 925169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my eyes
< 1333184185 173353 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a window but i always have my black curtains up.
< 1333184187 781032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I do not look directly at the sun. It hurts my eyes too. And in the day time it is sometimes too bright sun, too.
< 1333184218 34851 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand i love walking outside
< 1333184263 922343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My window also has curtains, to prevent glare, but they aren't black
< 1333184336 5503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is there snow on the ground.
< 1333184353 891056 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's snowing here too :o
< 1333184885 674737 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333185095 654866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what was Little Miss Muffet's given name? And her father's given name? (Without looking it up)
< 1333185132 787367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1333185169 789496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her name is Patience and her father's name is Thomas.
< 1333185183 601162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1333185479 985010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like SVG or METAFONT or something else?
< 1333185499 318449 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favorite group?
< 1333185518 254311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like ice cream, when it's not too sweet.
< 1333185540 873846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently A_4
< 1333185556 942747 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like?
< 1333185561 95620 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really got to knwo ti
< 1333185563 610961 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know
< 1333185612 503050 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc A_4 is the smallest counterexample to some stuff?
< 1333185627 641220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the largest alternative group which is solvable.
< 1333185629 191414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I mean for vector drawing
< 1333185648 424478 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can draw vectors with ice cream
< 1333185655 396766 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they rarely come out straight
< 1333185661 586631 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about a pencil?
< 1333185675 401462 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just a big incomprehensible gay ice cream orgy just like in my dreams
< 1333185684 841703 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i don't paint
< 1333185687 671523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose you can use a pencil, and I use a pencil too; but I meant by computer
< 1333185701 236192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The computer can't use a pencil?
< 1333185721 260782 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, i guess that's what i was thinking about actually
< 1333185744 888263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you might be thinking of A_5 which is the smallest non-abelian simple group
< 1333185802 738585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like a computer plotter? Once I had something with wheels that can control by computer using BASIC stamp, and I attached a pencil to it, to see if it would draw, but it didn't work
< 1333185818 132224 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oooh maybe
< 1333185903 290897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: which is related to why A_4 was the last group which was interesting - there's a theorem which says you can use any simple group to compute boolean circuits in polynomial time, but it's not known whether you can use a solvable group like A_4
< 1333185906 737307 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me about A_4, what do you do together? or are with her just because she's famous?
< 1333185912 346722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which i found interesting
< 1333185950 498980 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute how?
< 1333185956 334789 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have a link
< 1333185963 909320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called barrington's theorem
< 1333186109 195205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/barrington-gets-simple/
< 1333186448 490320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to use that method with a solvable group like A_4, you get into trouble with circuits that are deeper than the length of the group's derived group series.
< 1333186501 3879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you _can_ compute with A_4, but you have to turn your circuit into something like conjunctive or disjunctive normal form first, which gives exponential blowup
< 1333186577 507360 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err in particular you can use the two element group for this thing?
< 1333186598 137289 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still slowly reading that thing
< 1333186611 526184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the two element group is abelian.  you cannot use an abelian group at all.
< 1333186662 919161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the known prood, the group needs to be non-solvable
< 1333186693 543384 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any simple non-abelian?
< 1333186720 359864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact doing it with _any_ solvable group would prove the unknown (and not believed) equality of the ACC^0 and NC^1 complexity classes.
< 1333186744 640033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that article might mention that stuff, if not one of his other blog posts about it does.
< 1333186755 932069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, any simple group works.
< 1333186788 190227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any non-solvable, which simple implies (in fact non-solvable == you can find a simple quotient of a subgroup)
< 1333186803 463982 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so i'm not sure i understand the model, is the idea that for every n, you choose some polynomially long chain of boxes, each of which gets one bit of input, and bounded information must flow from one box to the next?
< 1333186806 440042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proof
< 1333186817 904312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1333186824 455104 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay cool
< 1333186920 131553 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, again you said "any simple group works", isn't the two-element group simple?
< 1333186963 769817 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just so completely restricting to non-abelians that that doesn't even need to be mentioned, since it's based on commutators
< 1333186985 951527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: eh i guess i am :P
< 1333186997 168761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple non-abelian, right
< 1333187034 55785 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, i'll continue reading, although i might not get this without the gory details since i don't know anything about groups
< 1333187038 326995 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that they exist
< 1333187043 517760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :P
< 1333187143 373660 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [G, G] means the set of all commutators, and in the non-abelian case it's nontrivial obviously and it's always normal for some simple reason, in the simple non-abelian case it's exactly G
< 1333187156 607309 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's [G, H], is it something?
< 1333187160 691038 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333187167 818535 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that's a stupid question
< 1333187187 551717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1333187187 954261 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x, y] means the corresponding commutator, and [G, G] is just a lift thingie.
< 1333187225 231894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: actually that's not stupid at all, it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_series
< 1333187269 526352 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question was what [G, H] even _means_, not what kind of group it is.
< 1333187279 382299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1333187281 274550 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or set)
< 1333187300 997774 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was stupid, i didn't quite recall that [x, y] is the commutator notation
< 1333187304 277698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[G,H] is the subgroup generated by the commutators ghg^-1h^1
< 1333187313 164831 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i read one letter at a time and then i come here to talk about it.
< 1333187321 321887 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333187400 894866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw a group which has a central series is called nilpotent, and iirc lipton mentions that it's known such a group _cannot_ be used for these computations.
< 1333187540 743870 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the or gate thing seems to give an exponential blowup, is the solution that we have logaritmic depth?
< 1333187542 154260 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why
< 1333187551 33324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333187584 948568 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that you still have to put all of the gates in
< 1333187590 64745 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1333187605 965219 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but blowup only happens depth many times i guess
< 1333187609 683059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1333187624 774542 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how and is done? oh wait. that's trivial.
< 1333187630 511300 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey this is fucking awesome :D
< 1333187645 326309 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm
< 1333187677 558193 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah [G, G] = G so you can choose the value of an or gate to be anything in the false case
< 1333187706 299564 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SO COOL :dSADFADSAFDSAFDDFSDAFDAF
< 1333187709 77182 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKLSDJFLKA�SJFLKAJSD�LFKJAOEIWJFIJDC,XMV,.CMFDKLSFJSKLAMJ
< 1333187727 346001 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FGSFDS.
< 1333187755 203807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP WITH THE FINNISH CODE
< 1333187799 896756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKAÖSJFLKAJSDÖLFKJAOEKLSFJSKAKLSDJFLKAÖSJFLKAJSDÖLFKJAOEIWJFIJ
< 1333187808 490151 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess we've established that asdfjaklsdjfklasjdfl means extreme frustration and ADJFA�WEIMVKDMFKLAMSDF means omg this is awesome.
< 1333187810 412250 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA.
< 1333187818 738803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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< 1333188355 158543 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but so does [G, H] have some nice meaning?
< 1333188406 644415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about that beyond the central series i linked to
< 1333188410 182472 :cheater_!~cheater@g230224077.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333188411 265795 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[G, G] somehow captures the noncommutation in G, is there something similar you can say about [G, H]
< 1333188412 842989 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1333188468 581139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where somehow = (abelianizing by factoring = dividing [G, G] out)
< 1333188484 265499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1333188488 806393 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :group theory is awesome
< 1333188492 334803 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awesome
< 1333188499 458504 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AWESOME TODAY
< 1333188531 970567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien nanobot invasion.
< 1333188556 320040 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely
< 1333188592 236094 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's still something to research in group theory
< 1333188620 556279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think the extension problem is really solved...
< 1333188622 350412 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of silly i guess i find it trivial to find new questions about cellular automata and everyone says there's really nothing left there.
< 1333188669 741900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i know almost nothing about how much _has_ been done with it.
< 1333188729 233204 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well none of the basic questions like this have been solved in symbolic dynamics either
< 1333188731 681531 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1333188752 307853 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except everything except conjugacy has been solved for SFT's i guess
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< 1333188791 532992 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think factoring between sofic shifts of equal entropy hasn't been solved for instance
< 1333188854 214483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the simple groups classification _has_ been solved - with what may have been the largest math cooperation ever
< 1333188865 701954 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple objects, i guess this sort of categorical questions are usually either trivial or extremely hard
< 1333188880 688139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1333188904 433769 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of the theorem consists of tens of thousands of pages in several hundred journal articles written by about 100 authors, published mostly between 1955 and 2004.
< 1333188906 446669 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1333188957 321674 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The completed proof of the classification was announced by Aschbacher (2004) after Aschbacher and Smith published a 1221 page proof for the missing quasithin case.
< 1333188962 554718 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1333188981 905406 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so awesome i'm almost crying
< 1333189137 29039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2006 on the Talk page: "Actually the proof of the uniqueness of the 26 sporadic groups is still a debated issue. For instance the uniqueness proof of the Thompson group is flawed, although a new proof of the uniqueness will be published in the coming months."
< 1333189141 626996 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just wish i knew what groups of lie type were
< 1333189149 867650 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333189162 828740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to take a while because they're sure they've _really_ closed all gaps :P
< 1333189167 287153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*before
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< 1333189199 382551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's so huge that getting it through a theorem verifier seems impossible
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< 1333189216 110316 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have been a part of something like that would be just fucking incredible
< 1333189226 900617 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have been
< 1333189249 503315 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something like that is going on in an early stage one could still jump into
< 1333189268 952694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh Timwi is on the talk page
< 1333189281 264258 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that
< 1333189290 729092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanger
< 1333189305 296582 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool :p
< 1333190210 653995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr kfc tasted good today. 2 everyone loves raymond episodes followed by 2 simpsons episodes followed by 2 futurama episodes = WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AWESOME TODAY yup
< 1333190225 58845 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333190226 259533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuffles away

< 1333190231 192797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bywe
< 1333190235 317175 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333190248 373659 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 friends episode followed by another friends episode followed by goto 1
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< 1333191469 530940 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be a major result, since it would imply the famous (to group theorists at least) Odd Order Theorem of Walter Feit and John Thompson. They showed that any odd order group cannot be simple.
< 1333191475 27953 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1333191504 117101 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do bounded computation with groups theorists define groups as non-abelian groups?
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< 1333194543 145053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponders whether there a correlation between the value of a mathematical notation and the presence of it on a keyboard
< 1333194568 465898 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is more indicative of "common" operations
< 1333194608 772414 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i'll stop..
< 1333194617 494931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the math..... proceed
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< 1333195759 227492 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackpots are crazy
< 1333195766 403484 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1333195781 175552 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be called crachSTUPIDs
< 1333196083 181964 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://donblazys.com/01.pdf o_O
< 1333196090 952753 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you not get the death penalty for this
< 1333196459 424048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, found a backgrounded mplayer process in one of my shells... based on the contents it must've been there for months
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< 1333197008 56590 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, found a bug! my cond implementation was expecting exactly one expression for each condition
< 1333197083 856104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when that match failed, it continued on to treat conds as applying a function 'cond' to some subexpressions, explaining why something was trying to use t as a function
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< 1333197449 442255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might've helped if I knew more about this "lisp" thing before trying to write a compiler :>
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< 1333199441 148628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :66.249.66.201 - - [31/Mar/2012:06:55:54 +0000] "GET /wiki/Human_And_Animal_Relationships HTTP/1.1" 302 161 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
< 1333199442 912480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googlebot...
< 1333199484 589836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :81.170.237.250 - - [31/Mar/2012:06:56:38 +0000] "GET /wiki/Brainfuck HTTP/1.1" 200 14619 "http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2011/11/06/brainfk-while-waiting-for-a-flight/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; NP06)"
< 1333199484 785427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wHAT
< 1333199502 350081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Having arrived almost 3 hours early to JFK, flying back to Cincinnati, I spent the time coding up a Python script which inputs a string and outputs a Brainfuck source code which, when run with a Brainfuck interpreter, outputs said string."
< 1333199510 995420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's much less horrifying than i was expecting
< 1333200508 421061 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DA64.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333201414 940413 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1333201457 475853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the SICP page has links to download MIT Scheme for "Windows NT 4.0, Windows 95, and Linux (RedHat)"
< 1333201521 748668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1333201527 777786 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it .rpm package?
< 1333201626 469278 :ion!ion@GYKMMMDCLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Awesome
< 1333201705 102075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the page that links to is actually just http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/
< 1333201777 979523 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1333201884 332572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333201899 659563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloi!
< 1333201906 211816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-72-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i!/!/
< 1333201916 270161 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333201967 777612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333202216 114697 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-167-133.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333202533 389583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb
< 1333202534 281860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1333202537 296459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must only be one of you at a time
< 1333202539 630888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two
< 1333202540 334426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is too much
< 1333202588 643239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: invite hovercraft over will you
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< 1333202905 80030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1333202906 674667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb and ngevd
< 1333202910 34441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by duplicator accident
< 1333203331 980033 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333204955 745315 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333204992 831169 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<code.lol> HAI
< 1333205000 524978 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333205010 151437 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<objlol> HAI CODE
< 1333205014 506796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333205018 486245 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<code.lol> CAN HAZ STDIO?
< 1333205021 969307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bo
< 1333205022 764762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1333205028 276308 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<objlol> AWSUM THX
< 1333205036 112065 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<code.lol> CAN HAZ STDLIB?
< 1333205043 801934 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<objlol> AWSUM THX
< 1333205046 808937 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-160.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1333205054 501898 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<code.lol> CAN HAZ WINDBLOZE?
< 1333205060 914125 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<objlol> O NOES
< 1333205072 687020 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<code.lol> KTHXBAI
< 1333205077 31655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing?
< 1333205077 632003 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<objlol> BAI CODE
< 1333205107 861093 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hai.lol> HAI
< 1333205112 798308 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<sjlol> HAI HAI
< 1333205120 989886 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hai.lol> CAN HAZ STDIO?
< 1333205141 98114 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hai.lol> VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
< 1333205149 144119 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<stdout> HAI WORLD!
< 1333205163 258656 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<hai.lol> KTHXBYE
< 1333205174 847758 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<sjlol> BYE HAI
< 1333205195 944722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that
< 1333205252 117047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop flooding the channel
< 1333205362 167563 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good debugger for LOLCODE would be like the pretend conversation above, where the interpreter speaks the lol-debug information in the conversation and there is also three other lolcats named "STDIN", "STDOUT", and "STDERR".
< 1333205411 903467 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be damn neat
< 1333205419 356299 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear shit that would be neat
< 1333205532 324658 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-160.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333205594 327745 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about an IRC channel where your nickname can either be "LOL*" to be treated as a lolcat typing LOLCODE for the server's interpreter or "IN*" to be treated as a standard input stream?
< 1333205615 457524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: why did you circumvent your block?
< 1333205626 92899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow way to change the topic elliott!!!
< 1333205648 9414 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah why
< 1333205658 218 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333205700 569892 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be something like #IRP
< 1333205707 595126 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 PART :#esoteric
< 1333205718 48662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabolical
< 1333205862 415847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in #irp:
< 1333205864 7459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp -c "Type the lyrics of '99 bottles of beer on the wall
< 1333205864 169165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> ''"
< 1333205880 995541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just you and him
< 1333205885 490176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp: 99 bottles of beer on the wall.
< 1333205885 651372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp: 99 bottles of beer on the wall.
< 1333205885 813099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp: Take one down and pass it around
< 1333205888 491453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp: 98 bottles of beer on the wall.
< 1333205891 665762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no #irp is always full of people
< 1333205920 620841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] <NSQX> irp -c "Kill the irp program"
< 1333205924 330679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp: No, the system failed.
< 1333205925 740266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting
< 1333205948 169230 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nsqx actually a collective
< 1333206035 283439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NSQX> irp -c "Kick me from #IRP"
< 1333206035 460794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* NSQX has quit ()
< 1333206079 830122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye nsqx
< 1333206203 702748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, my test suite now also passes when run with a compiled version of the metacircular evaluator from SICP
< 1333206233 785972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad olsner is having fun
< 1333206270 393144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few more primitives I should be able to run the metacircular evaluator in itself too
< 1333206279 250114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqx also seemed to be having fun, coincidence??????
< 1333206294 150602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, so olsner is nsqx after all
< 1333206327 812615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am? :S
< 1333206335 755874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be nsqx!
< 1333206406 443869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, all I need now is a C++ compiler written in Scheme to make a neat little loop
< 1333206474 691589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too difficult
< 1333206515 609432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I don't need everything in C++ either
< 1333206545 792948 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start with that implementation of C in Lisp.
< 1333206604 209595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm sure porting a compiler for an unconventional 80s architecture to another, very-dissimilar language and another, very-dissimilar architecture will be trivial.
< 1333206612 103295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also incrementing the C.
< 1333206616 726772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be the easiest part.
< 1333206619 13725 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1333206625 654780 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a two-hour kinda project.
< 1333206638 107358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. take C, 2. add templates, 3. lisp compiler
< 1333206732 340700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, the compiled REPL binary is 22MB)
< 1333206779 106238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see your compiler
< 1333206784 345798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still in c++ templates
< 1333206854 990372 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, why isn't the IOCCC code out yet X-D
< 1333206914 588197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it's a template class that takes some combination of cons<A,B> and symbol<c,o,n,s> etc, then has a member function run(env) that runs that lisp expression
< 1333206989 410878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a python script that reads s-expressions and outputs them as types
< 1333207150 659531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite stupid though, so almost everything ends up boxing primitive functions then unboxing them to call them
< 1333207153 713802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variable lookup is done at runtime with an associative list rather than doing frame layout at compile time
< 1333207186 497507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, you probably can do a lot better than that
< 1333207192 891843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: with enough constexpr you can process strings with templates
< 1333207198 937840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should be able to port the parser to C++ templates, fairly easily
< 1333207209 626257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++11 only ofc though
< 1333207229 699543 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already c++11 anyway
< 1333209444 979308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im already c++11
< 1333209979 467361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1333210224 310328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posit it that being a polymath is a prerequisite for discovering/inventing calculus
< 1333210244 199533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't be more off topic though
< 1333210266 675105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333210309 340293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< says the person who doesn't know calculus, and hasn't read a single nachlass
< 1333210707 298025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/?t=8&utm_campaign=8bit&utm_source=yt ok this is legitimately awesome
< 1333210709 236020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does street view
< 1333210720 667975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1333210728 637185 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shivers
< 1333210749 460945 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i was already cold
< 1333211042 100446 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.90.52 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333211108 481904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day wars will be fought with an rpg interface
< 1333211162 47431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mumbles boringly
< 1333211190 971408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know this
< 1333211193 891880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from the future
< 1333211203 496636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach me your future ways
< 1333211261 127174 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333211776 64019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1333211900 583146 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43922.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333211958 763276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1333211964 606478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i simply lied
< 1333211975 399130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nearly same effect as time travel
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< 1333212836 418120 :Tiktalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik NICK :Gonetalik
< 1333213966 485253 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333214007 192807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sad But True: We Can't Prove When Super Mario Bros. Came Out"
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< 1333214067 858677 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1333214278 284765 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut
< 1333214337 344760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/167392/sad_but_true_we_cant_prove_when_.php
< 1333214806 675703 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333215471 898878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1333215472 425348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed on page Db-g7 that there was a deletion tag. I would like to vote against this tag, as I believe it sort of violates Assume good faith. I also believe the template is very useful. These matters seem important to discuss.
< 1333215472 735938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walex03. Talking, working, friending. 20:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
< 1333215473 305439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1333215484 141991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(db-g7 is a template containing a deletion tag to be put on other articles.)
< 1333217406 563785 :Gonetalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik NICK :Tiktalik
< 1333217644 379877 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1333218965 736025 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43922.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1333221085 274600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333221090 641827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1333221097 61009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dammit elliott!
< 1333221528 873851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333221542 809808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia.
< 1333221559 471531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it
< 1333221566 893051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You linked to it.
< 1333221572 363720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1333221573 426061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus causing me to click the link.
< 1333221573 951531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1333221575 894075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on esolang
< 1333221576 421153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1333221579 94196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1333221581 721764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more careful!
< 1333221600 623181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i take it you've seen NSQX's diabolical block evasion, then
< 1333221613 330111 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it bad that when you're being tricky I don't fall for it, but TWICE I've fell for unobfuscated links?)
< 1333221614 597055 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1333221625 18786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly he is a master of trickery
< 1333221633 844090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems he is determined to flat-out ignore me when i ask him why he did it on IRC, so i predict an unhappy ending to this saga
< 1333221637 196222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And yes, that's bad.
< 1333221642 860349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose Lent.
< 1333221646 435505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of that time that sock puppeteer ended up on the IWC forums
< 1333221797 475401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1333221816 101547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought of an interesting story
< 1333221840 538306 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was just some blatant sock-puppetry to do with some unlicensed translations of Darths and Droids on a commercial website
< 1333221865 180006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diabolical
< 1333221877 750778 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1333221890 879133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he just doesn't like me
< 1333221899 175891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assign the job of asking him why he circumvented his block next time he comes in to... Taneb
< 1333221907 690606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1333221957 395222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not meant to say yay!
< 1333221976 919859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say "Yay!" whenever I like.
< 1333222009 623763 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say "yay" whenever anyone likes
< 1333222026 825147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say "yay"
< 1333222042 886295 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has a speech impediment.
< 1333222059 918886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an explody house this is
< 1333222088 787615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333222093 256523 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333222129 901704 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333222181 503541 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333222210 759415 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, my house exploded
< 1333222242 962980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens
< 1333222259 835226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-114.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333222347 239290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1333222812 154633 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333224438 792240 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333224823 415549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list memberships reminder day
< 1333225070 614808 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1333225690 657200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain drive-ins to me
< 1333225754 841637 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drive in and then you shoot everyone.
< 1333225780 705301 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait sorry i always confuse those two
< 1333225795 607319 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they don't let me into the local ganster dude league anymore.
< 1333225801 867222 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just keep buying them burgers
< 1333225835 110457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the kind where they show films
< 1333225874 96042 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exist?
< 1333225946 583857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333225950 467218 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1333225954 683350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-in_theater
< 1333225958 37248 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain drive-ins to me
< 1333225965 101136 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1333225965 444909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333225968 278918 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast
< 1333225997 293714 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen those on the simpsons and stuff but i assumed they just existed in like america and other made-up countries
< 1333226168 819210 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f81c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333226342 363927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't exist here
< 1333226344 240414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i know of
< 1333226389 315686 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland doesn't have them, i just checked
< 1333226436 642822 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i checked a statistically significant portion of my house at least
< 1333227098 703704 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333227300 585518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333227399 709701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is #25 in "unblocked #25 (remove autoblock block evasion to fix config. issue)"?
< 1333227412 222375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The number of the autoblock.
< 1333227420 705248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Autoblock IPs are hidden (even from admins/crats) for privacy reasons.
< 1333227435 174275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An autoblock just means that whenever a blocked user accesses the wiki from an IP, that IP gets blocked too.)
< 1333227461 90728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autoblock still had the previous incorrect settings (banning talk page editing) due to the configuration issue, even though I fixed the main block, so I just removed it.
< 1333228032 561038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333228054 375098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Var%27aq&diff=31646&oldid=8256
< 1333228098 484426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bleh, this is a bad time for me to sort it out
< 1333228098 731750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1333228102 400647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll look at it april 2
< 1333228103 217545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1333228103 477643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 5h 20m 22s ago: Please check your MemoServ messages with /msg MemoServ read new, thanks!
< 1333228112 853957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I check MemoServ messages /before/ lambdabot messages
< 1333228121 695097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1333228130 152944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I don't really need you to do anything
< 1333228150 546407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just know what's happened and let me know if you think the response needs changing
< 1333228150 748091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should probably go in /msg, though
< 1333228158 750187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, or nowhere
< 1333228167 438916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here is March 31
< 1333228169 798433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll msg you when I'm ready to look at it, probably tomorrow or the day after
< 1333228172 763653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, AceHack
< 1333228179 909789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1333228259 612539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay an article with tables waiting to be wikitabled
< 1333228268 251853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, 70.66.134.212!
< 1333228313 537657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's in html table syntax :( never mind
< 1333228421 879153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1333228430 719614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "hm?"?
< 1333228444 348733 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just check RecentChanges
< 1333228450 41425 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have an idea what you're talking about
< 1333228517 334595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you're talking about, I don't see any table syntax
< 1333228556 577765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[object-disoriented]]
< 1333228559 576468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/ /
< 1333228610 451145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the thing about waiting to be wikitabled?
< 1333228688 529767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[object disoriented]]
< 1333228792 859228 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that waiting to be wikitabled or confused for waiting to be wikitabled? What does waiting to be wikitabled mean? I'd assume converted from blah to MediaWiki tables, but your next statements suggest not.
< 1333228793 59840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that help
< 1333228797 163452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333228800 516706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: class="wikitable"
< 1333228803 691159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makse them the not uglies
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< 1333228807 164212 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1333228809 553465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they looked weird without ths
< 1333228815 396912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt want to add ths because theyre in html syntax
< 1333228818 612740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just cried instead
< 1333228850 526746 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1333228851 691146 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths?
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< 1333228950 789815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<th>s
< 1333228954 242475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :table headings
< 1333229125 426800 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1333229296 327818 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1333230311 769155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333230531 581624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1333230563 80099 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333230584 702496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that OpenGL sucks

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< 1333230862 590315 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then use Direct3D <trollface/>
< 1333230963 813179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in what way?
< 1333231400 109809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333231974 312292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, and it's far from finished or polished yet, but it works: https://gitorious.org/nitrohack/ais523/blobs/raw/7b5711e6232fbb0949452555a3db6b33bd585824/aimake
< 1333231978 435927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake is no longer vaporware!
< 1333231990 580353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The API is really poorly designed.
< 1333231991 481326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it counts as eso or not
< 1333231995 978185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which?
< 1333232028 173143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OpenGL.
< 1333232037 214660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which OpenGL API?
< 1333232037 808906 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1333232047 614875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old outdated functions you aren't meant to use any more, or the VBO-and-shader stuff?
< 1333232091 579986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another unreadable multi-thousand-line ais source fil
< 1333232091 897735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1333232093 664742 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the fuck I'm using.
< 1333232103 569186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one that inexplicably breaks vim's syntax highlighting
< 1333232106 379805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a single file for a reason
< 1333232113 484053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you say that every time
< 1333232124 479044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've been editing it in Kate, which is the only program I've found that's capable of actually handling the syntax highlighting
< 1333232130 845890 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where it's 30 lines of code to just draw a single surface with a texture on it.
< 1333232131 527883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, I had to go back to 5.78 syntax
< 1333232135 27555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even trying to be awkward!
< 1333232158 426576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you're drawing one surface at a time, you're doing it wrong (because GPUs can't do that efficiently)
< 1333232168 47290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm only drawing one surface.
< 1333232187 301137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then possibly OpenGL is the wrong thing to be using
< 1333232213 252634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your advice is helpful like my advice is
< 1333232216 605035 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the only well-supported way of drawing 2D graphics with vsync on X.
< 1333232221 371892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the only one.
< 1333232237 366340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, wow
< 1333232245 197620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about that Xv thing?
< 1333232250 976912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Well-supported".
< 1333232266 870185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is xv not supported?
< 1333232274 501963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm, must wfeveryone
< 1333232276 292594 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Xv varies from perfectly reasonable *if* you're in YUV, or completely borken, depending on your driver.
< 1333232296 486822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 600 deaths have occurred in the Grand Canyon since the 1870s." whoa, that's all?
< 1333232330 810000 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proprietary Radeon drivers, for instance, don't do vsync, and convert from YUV to RGB wrong.
< 1333232362 937827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xv only really works on YUV colorspace framebuffers; it's theoretically capable of handling RGB, but most drivers don't support this)
< 1333232369 243270 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/782mt/numbers_that_cannot_be_computed_by_a_program/c05xjqb
< 1333232372 216502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 2d thing are you drawing anyway
< 1333232382 157016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: will i regret clicking that link?
< 1333232385 206129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just drawing a 320x240 framebuffer out of a VM.
< 1333232394 331309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll check it for you
< 1333232403 720541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333232407 322793 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will tear unless I use OpenGL.
< 1333232413 494849 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because X sucks.
< 1333232414 553877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks, I'll click it then
< 1333232426 684104 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you regret arguments that involve someone incredibly thick?
< 1333232429 160655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, I can blame Sgeo
< 1333232467 309664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, you see, when i want stupidity i go to, e.g. reddit and click the comment links
< 1333232469 267663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[�]andreasvc 0 points 3 years ago
< 1333232469 428792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The integers are not all computable. What you say amounts to offering a haystack when someone asks for a needle. A number is computable if there can be a finite program which can calculate the nth digit of that number, given n. This doesn't go for the busy beaver numbers, since the halting problem is undecidable.
< 1333232478 912676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric links i generally click in the hopes that they're not stupid
< 1333232485 539545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be totally disappointed if i found intelligent discussion on reddit
< 1333232488 791100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa
< 1333232492 618300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1333232496 972739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are these people allowed on my internet
< 1333232505 478988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so opinion on aimake?
< 1333232509 999364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the coding style?
< 1333232511 154284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But... That... Gah
< 1333232515 758200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kate's autoindentor is a little broken
< 1333232520 637381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its block collapser is worse
< 1333232527 141769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's no way i'm going to read it, but i might throw it at some C programs to prove how useless it is
< 1333232538 90874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: after editing aimake in Kate for a few hours, the cursor starts going backwards
< 1333232541 335330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't found a fix for this
< 1333232544 608853 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking busy beaver numbers
< 1333232561 368122 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SDL might be pretty well supported, but from what I've read, I'm not sure if it's that great, since it doesn't have functions for pushing individual pixels.
< 1333232561 648942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. typing a letter puts the cursor before the letter, backspace still deletes leftwards, left and right don't really do anything sensible)
< 1333232570 633731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is trivial to write a program that computes 6 to the nth digit." "No, there's not even an algorithm for it. If you come up with one you would have solved the halting problem."
< 1333232570 808182 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: It tears.
< 1333232574 249238 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Because X sucks.
< 1333232575 839075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6: the impossible number
< 1333232584 504161 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a lot of things I look up relating to it presume you want to use it with SDL.
< 1333232585 734002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: it has pointers for pushing individual pixels
< 1333232598 103908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't see how you can figure out the nth digit of 6 without knowing what n is
< 1333232601 111905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have multiple attempts
< 1333232602 7495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushing individual picturse is terrible, though
< 1333232631 33523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pixels
< 1333232634 567127 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333232635 14300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :picturse, pixels, what's the difference
< 1333232654 241107 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking hate this andreasvc guy
< 1333232695 592368 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, I guess it's more that the tutorial I was reading is about 2D stuff, and then alter I remembered I wanted ot make a 3D thing.
< 1333232711 906871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is useful as a windowing/input library though
< 1333232715 847702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it with opengl
< 1333232717 971256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both suck, naturally
< 1333232719 238725 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I do.
< 1333232726 128418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck, but it functions.
< 1333232733 329014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you didn't answer my q tho :'(
< 1333232737 241005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which?
< 1333232737 887902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like SDL
< 1333232750 73304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Never done audio in it I see. :)
< 1333232757 792970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done audio in SDL.
< 1333232769 806353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you are a masochist.
< 1333232779 946504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1333232785 388115 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite.
< 1333232789 674072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1333232806 791990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's harder and less capable than OSS. Therefore it sucks.
< 1333232808 948530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh i didn't ask it i guess
< 1333232812 300607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking what 2d thing you are drawing
< 1333232827 965220 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < pikhq> I'm just drawing a 320x240 framebuffer out of a VM.
< 1333232832 430349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i did ask it!
< 1333232835 81104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you answered it
< 1333232836 491542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so wrong today
< 1333232839 489718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why the fuck are you reading 3-year-old discussions on reddit
< 1333232845 690075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only just now noticed those timestamps
< 1333232862 559912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what vm?
< 1333232878 202719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pikhq/cmako
< 1333232880 143798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333232881 265040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Mar 31 23:27:59
< 1333232892 935455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a program using SDL with audio:  http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/BytePusher/BytePusher.w  I happen to like the way audio is done in SDL, even if you dislike it.
< 1333232893 773283 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: andreasvc's crime will never expire.
< 1333232894 656064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, i can still be annoyed at april fools jokes being premature for another 33 minutes
< 1333232897 952129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implementation of https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako
< 1333232925 14406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like: crappo
< 1333232928 721148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the opportunity
< 1333232971 780938 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the article was linked on Fark, and the article linked to the discussion
< 1333232981 960769 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/comments/7025689/ConsoleWrite0-while-true-ConsoleWrite142857
< 1333232982 387848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another ill of the world i can blame on fark
< 1333233066 190065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen Google Maps' april 1st thing? it's very good
< 1333233068 53137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other two implementations of BytePusher are using Allegro, which many people prefer.
< 1333233110 384245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1333233120 82676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want to?
< 1333233121 179749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't look at it, but will probably read the coverage of it in the news afterwards
< 1333233141 990299 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :always living on the edge, eh
< 1333233184 460218 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. Can any real number be described by an infinite number of digits?
< 1333233202 417271 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks a bit more

< 1333233229 460320 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1333233234 50122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, some of them have infinity plus one
< 1333233237 707307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it can be
< 1333233268 964466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, cardinalities of the reals and of infinite strings of elements drawn from a finite alphabet are both aleph-one
< 1333233321 887576 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my third comment http://www.fark.com/comments/7025689/ConsoleWrite0-while-true-ConsoleWrite142857 correct?
< 1333233332 806431 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think I got it. There exist numbers which cannot be fit into any finite representation, no matter how many (finite number) of bits are in the representation."
< 1333233347 692139 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1333233365 185614 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was incompetently replying to someone
< 1333233369 691910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to bother clicking
< 1333233372 908052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did Sgeo not know the reals were uncountable before today
< 1333233373 787351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1333233385 814254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oklofok would say, even i know that
< 1333233397 497114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i know that
< 1333233399 6550 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I brainfarted on whether reals could be described with an infinite number of digits
< 1333233428 653354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they're exactly uncountable, they're no more than uncountable
< 1333233435 823758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hmm
< 1333233443 561967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333233443 777461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's undecidable
< 1333233447 737339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me
< 1333233453 968328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333233462 644238 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noted who wrote the article in the first place.
< 1333233465 490595 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Robozzle guy!
< 1333233471 492682 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333233471 706491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i meant "There exist numbers which cannot be fit into any finite representation, no matter how many (finite number) of bits are in the representation.""
< 1333233481 265090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the reals aren't countable"
< 1333233513 408376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1333233614 915637 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333233909 494424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -name '*.aimk' -or -name 'aimake.config' | xargs wc -l | xargs echo
< 1333233910 792780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 ./executables.aimk 55 ./aimake.config 7 ./libnethack/util/makedefs.aimk 20 ./libnethack/dat/datafiles.aimk 85 total
< 1333233923 324306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of them are newlines to make it more readable, or comments
< 1333233940 457023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find . -name 'CMakeLists.txt' | xargs wc -l | xargs echo
< 1333233941 607477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 ./nethack_server/CMakeLists.txt 106 ./nethack/CMakeLists.txt 70 ./CMakeLists.txt 34 ./libnethack_client/CMakeLists.txt 18 ./libnethack/CMakeLists.txt 111 ./libnethack/util/CMakeLists.txt 45 ./libnethack/src/CMakeLists.txt 118 ./libnethack/dat/CMakeLists.txt 552 total
< 1333233943 930823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no contest :)
< 1333234005 655125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those CMakeLists files won't stop working when aimake changes its heuristics.
< 1333234060 38054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ I fixed that now :)
< 1333234087 418958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before the success or fail of a build sometimes depended on hashtable ordering)
< 1333234099 58528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still does if you have an exact tie, but you can disambig in the config file now)
< 1333234186 3767 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333234401 796361 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333234458 777081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "ugh" adequately summarises my feelings.
< 1333234606 406266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/rmw1d/sometimes_it_is_hard/
< 1333234607 282087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL
< 1333234609 400472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING KILL
< 1333234610 105297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURDER
< 1333234610 458648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE
< 1333234611 33525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEATH
< 1333234613 166085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAMINE
< 1333234613 875142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR
< 1333234615 720607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL
< 1333234633 571287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN
< 1333234637 448807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333235489 706198 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333235543 776324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im, not going to read that
< 1333235655 763156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a meme image
< 1333235873 445068 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]
< 1333235993 110827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im, not going to read that
< 1333236134 956154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1333236157 966336 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333236170 916791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1333236192 69975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh, mk is that guy who just wanted to learn monads, not Haskell.
< 1333236194 778975 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only going to be here for like 10 minutes.
< 1333236195 31540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 10 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1333236197 674323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why he's stupid.
< 1333236201 905236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ONE MESSAGE PER MINUTE
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< 1333236427 797941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they are useful in other languages sometimes…
< 1333236441 876934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You had to be there, man.
< 1333236448 89340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, that doesn't mean you should ask #haskell about it.
< 1333236472 834036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't planning to
< 1333236487 479900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1333236493 331390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I won't call you stupid in #esoteric.
< 1333236501 410716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: About that robots.txt...
< 1333236559 824241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, I think I can scam that statement, you forgot to put a time limitation on it
< 1333236569 434116 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right now if I search for 'elliott esoteric haskell' on Google, the logs aren't in the first page.
< 1333236569 717581 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore noöne will see them.
< 1333236595 384265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I will search for them with locate
< 1333236627 942427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'll just start up my blog, Esoteric Haskell with Elliott Hird.
< 1333236629 626050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, /far/ too many results
< 1333236641 130670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interpreted it as an or
< 1333236652 741705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many things on my computer are named esoteric, haskell, or elliott somewhere in their path
< 1333236671 347085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate "elliott esoteric haskell"
< 1333236672 834648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go
< 1333236674 522762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results
< 1333236677 339414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your secret is safe!
< 1333236693 370653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where shachaf
< 1333236693 663237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know little about shachaf.
< 1333236700 923215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and so many things on my computer are named esoteric, haskell, or elliott somewhere in their path
< 1333236702 687791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly "elliott".
< 1333236707 577843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrines/elliott
< 1333236712 321155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the other two, it turns out
< 1333236717 439454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a /home/ais523/annoy-ehird
< 1333236722 341413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it contains nowadays
< 1333236728 104085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't really want to look, as it'd be less funny if I found out
< 1333236732 282451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's "ehird", not "elliott"
< 1333236739 356602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to know what's in it now.

< 1333236745 320814 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: @here
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< 1333236874 200470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in, america
< 1333236875 972379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1333236886 481947 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: North America.
< 1333237158 889472 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333237164 969939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock
< 1333237172 205826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now displays pictures of cats
< 1333237174 350329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of ads
< 1333237175 266005 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333237176 913837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1333237180 827102 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :april 'fules'
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< 1333237205 406323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i would install that though?
< 1333237218 467429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it'd be better than adblock.
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< 1333238386 437350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, there's no command to reorder virtual desktops in gnome 2 + compiz, is there?
< 1333238391 113097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have them in the wrong order