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If you can't, the remainder of your days. 00:39:03 what if i can fly 00:39:13 That's not walking now is it? 00:39:25 well i could move my legs 00:40:18 no you couldn't, no legroom in those things 00:40:44 -!- augur has joined. 00:41:22 what, the air? 00:42:48 Hey, hiato is in #haskell. 00:42:50 We're being the deprived. 00:47:13 m (→‎Examples: return for int func is nec in c std.) 00:47:14 no it's not! 00:54:27 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:03:25 -!- augur has joined. 01:06:51 breathing? naw 01:09:46 Anybody have a recommended IM-over-IRC proxy server? 01:10:06 RocketJSquirrel: Are there any others than Bitlbee? 01:10:11 Just use Pidgin, man. 01:10:47 Upon further observation, bitlbee isn't just a service, it's an available server. 01:10:54 No idea why I thought it was service-only >_> 01:11:02 It sucks, though. 01:11:07 Huh. 01:11:23 Come to think of it, all I really want is a IM proxy, it doesn't need to be over IRC. An IM BNC is what I want. 01:11:33 why a proxy? 01:11:34 It's an incredibly leaky abstraction, and the "one big administrative/contact list room" model is just weird. 01:11:40 to hide your identity? 01:11:57 ais523: Most of the IM services I use suck when you have multiple connections. 01:12:00 Especially since "nobody in this room sees anything I say apart from the things I prefix with their name; also only I see anybody else saying anything" is a really, really disorienting thing for an IRC channel to be. 01:12:17 ...and I won't even get started on how painful it makes group conversations in protocols that don't have explicit "named" group conversations. 01:12:22 ais523: You can't see your outgoing messages from other connections, and frequently even miss incoming messages if another connection has been active more recently. 01:12:35 right 01:12:39 why do people use IM for anything, again? 01:12:50 AFAICT it solves the same problem as IRC, but worse 01:13:26 ais523: IRC is channel-oriented, IM is person-oriented. IRC could be a perfectly workable IM protocol, but the clients are tailored for a different kind of communication. 01:13:43 Which is why Pidgin is a shitty IRC client and XChat is a shitty IM client. 01:20:18 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:20:55 -!- augur has joined. 01:21:08 ais523: what's the most serious thing I could possibly do to Esolang? 01:21:31 hmm, hard to think of, I guess 01:21:47 some sort of big combined interpreter that does amazing things 01:21:51 or a large standard library project 01:22:00 well, boring people would expect me to do something silly to Esolang today 01:22:21 so I have to do something very serious and bureaucratic instead 01:23:22 yep 01:39:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:39:38 What things, specifically? 01:42:33 -!- nortti has joined. 01:45:20 zzo38: that's what i was asking! 01:46:07 elliott: I'm famous! 01:46:38 oh no 01:46:39 what happened 01:54:26 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: nortti). 02:10:26 -!- augur has joined. 02:11:15 shachaf: How many IO concepts are there in Haskell? 02:15:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:15:51 -!- augur has joined. 02:16:54 elliott: concepts? aren't those a C++ thing? 02:17:07 * elliott is just repeating a stupid question from #haskell. 02:19:39 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 02:20:12 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:23:16 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:32:06 " olsner: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" <-- I'm already bathing with the snakes, so why not? 02:33:08 but so far, I don't think I'm doing anything that's actually not possible in C++03, just a matter of convenience 02:33:29 oh, that was just a random noooo 02:33:52 mmhm? 02:34:04 I don't get what it was referring to, but ok 02:35:02 nothing at all 02:35:32 elliott: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 02:35:42 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES 02:36:21 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK 02:38:19 HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 02:43:52 `WELCOME 02:44:02 WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE 02:44:10 nice 02:45:16 How do I remove the maximize and close buttons in Windows? I never use them anyways, but sometimes I accidentally click them when I meant to click minimize. 02:45:47 you could use a shortcut for minimise too 02:45:54 remove Windows and all will be solved 02:46:22 zzo38: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1233910418 may help 02:46:27 olsner: Yes, that is one way; but that would require a lot of work and I would have to install everything from the start all at first and so on 02:47:22 nah, none of that is required to just remove it 02:47:59 Well, yes; but if I remove Windows and then do not put any other operating systems, then the computer won't work anymore 02:48:23 ah, it won't help, no solutions there 02:48:56 hmm, maybe not, but at least it will not give you more problems 03:08:23 @time 03:08:24 Local time for elliott is Sun Apr 1 04:08:22 03:14:21 QUICK anybody know how to do an exception to a rewriterule .*? 03:17:47 What does it mean, "How many IO concepts are there in Haskell"? 03:18:08 the point was that it it was a stupid question and so people were laughing at it 03:25:59 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:27:01 -!- cswords has joined. 03:30:21 -!- augur has joined. 03:37:32 -!- MSleep has joined. 03:41:46 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:35:06 HPDF implements some typesetting algorithm, but I should want it to work with DVI as well. 05:06:27 -!- myndzi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:48:28 -!- myndzi has joined. 05:59:53 -!- cheater_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 06:00:28 -!- cheater has joined. 06:35:22 -!- asiekierka_ has joined. 06:35:32 -!- asiekierka_ has changed nick to asiekierka. 06:49:48 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:52:09 gah, audiophiles: I just observed an argument on proggit where (possibly as a strawman) the argument came up that WAV was better than FLAC because FLAC was digital and WAV stored the uncompressed /analog/ signal 06:52:19 but I think the most absurd statements have been edited out 06:53:33 That is wrong in far too many ways. 06:55:05 I don't know; unlike most such arguments, it doesn't show ignorance of how compression works 06:55:05 faces 06:55:06 and palms 06:55:15 it's a different misconception entirely 06:55:30 well i guess technically anyway 06:55:33 if the wav came from a cd 06:55:48 it stores enough information to reproduce the exact analog signal up to about 44.1khz 06:55:51 then the CD wasn't analog, because CDs are digital 06:56:00 er, 22.05? i sorta forget 06:56:06 and, hmm, are you sure? 06:56:14 there's an interesting theorem about it 06:56:17 you have to take quantization of amplitude into account, not just frequency 06:56:20 one sec, lemme find it 06:56:29 the theorem is only to do with frequency, if you're thinking of the same one as me 06:56:47 which one is that? 06:57:14 nyquist 06:57:22 ah yes, that's what i was looking for 06:57:32 The quantization error of CDs is utterly unnoticable with dithering, though. 06:57:51 At a 44.1 kHz sample rate you’ll be able to store a good 22.05 kHz square wave or very bad waveforms in its neighborhood downwards. 06:58:26 pikhq: indeed, but that doesn't mean it isn't there, which is relevant in arguments about analog losslessness 06:58:27 ion: At a 44.1 kHz sample rate you'll be able to store a 22.05 kHz frequency exactly, modulo quantization. 06:58:39 I'm entirely willing to believe that it's impossible for the human ear to detect 06:59:01 (unless the recording was made on the most sensitive microphone in existence, it /is/ possible for a machine to detect) 06:59:28 i suppose i should have said "approaching exact" heh 06:59:30 been a while since i read about it 06:59:39 but to be exact it would have to be calculated out to infinity or some such 06:59:56 It would actually be exact if your samples were real numbers. 07:00:00 * ais523 vaguely wonders how accurate the most sensitive microphone in existence is 07:00:15 and how accurate the A-to-D, if any, it's attached to is 07:00:15 The *only* inexactness is coming from the use of bound samples. 07:00:43 pikhq: yes, in case someone decides to send a delta function at you or something 07:01:19 yes well, i don't have a firm enough understanding to discuss it, i was only pointing out that even though it's stored digitally, the information is essentially analog ;) 07:01:21 but then so would flac 07:01:40 and obviously this is not to support his argument, just to explain that one might see where he got confused 07:02:07 Anyways. CDDA is about as good at retaining fidelity of the audio as an 8K scan of film would be at retaining the video fidelity. 07:02:20 That is to say, if anyone says they can do better they're probably lying. 07:03:00 sample all the kilohertz 07:03:59 (8K = 4320p) 07:04:45 pikhq: hmm, I'm pretty sure there are screens that can show at 4320p with it still possible to make out the individual pixels 07:04:54 probably not very many, but I think they exist 07:05:14 so it'd be an accurate representation of the film, but perceptably deficient for representing the original scene 07:05:27 that's kind of an incomplete statement 07:05:32 since it rather depends on the physical size of the screen 07:05:46 ais523: Yes, and said screens are probably big enough that you are a mere 3 pixels tall. 07:05:47 myndzi: that's my point, there's no limit to how large you could make the screen in theory 07:05:49 :) 07:05:59 pikhq: they wouldn't have to be /that/ big 07:06:06 I know, I know. 07:06:14 sure, but if we're talking about fidelity, you can't exactly expect "greater than 1:1" :P 07:06:45 But they'd have to be so large you're basically incapable of seeing the whole screen if you can see the individual pixels. 07:07:40 pikhq: agreed 07:07:50 whether you'd see the whole thing or make out pixels would depend on how far you were standing from it 07:08:04 I'm imagining something around the size of a cinema screen would be enough to make out the pixels if you stood close to it 07:08:21 (although obviously your head would block the projector if you tried that on an /actual/ cinema screen, so it'd have to use a different principle 07:08:34 Reverse projection cinema? 07:08:35 :) 07:09:15 yep, that could work, and IIRC actually exists, but is quite wasteful of space 07:09:25 perhaps you could have two audiences, one on each side of the screen 07:10:44 It'd be a pretty bad idea unless you've got a particularly strange theater. 07:11:31 Perhaps if the seating is an actual stadium. 07:24:56 Many, many 3D games were done using less. 07:25:08 I initially interpreted that as referring to less(1) 07:25:21 and thought that that was indeed quite a primitive tool to make a 3D game with 07:26:05 Quiet. 07:26:10 Erm, quite. 07:27:40 can you actually edit things with less, apart from telling it to run vi? 07:27:58 or would it just be a case of repeatedly paging through /dev/random until you found the source you needed? 07:30:57 less doesn't have an insert mode, so. 07:31:16 Yeah, can't edit with it. 07:32:54 Unless some smartass does ln -s vi /bin/less 07:34:47 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:38:22 I have been told that LP record is better quality than CD and computer and audio tape and so on, but only the first time it is played. After that, it degrades. 07:39:38 They like to tell you that. 07:39:51 A CD has more dynamic range. 07:40:06 (not that it matters much in this age of 1 dB dynamic range) 07:43:16 Basically the only argument in favor of vinyl is that it may have pleasant artifacts. 07:46:32 The other argument in favor of vinyl is the simplicity of a record player; no computer is required to decode anything. 07:47:14 Not an argument in favor of the format's *quality*, but certainly an argument in favor of its use in certain contexts. 07:47:50 -!- aloril has joined. 07:48:09 Yes, I agree; the argument I mention has nothing to do with quality. 07:49:44 Before on this channel, I have discussed annotation monads a bit; but now I think of coannotation comonads as well. 07:53:44 Which makes Maybe to be the annotation monad of () and it makes non-empty list comonad to be the coannotation comonad of [()] 07:54:37 (I think) 07:59:14 Re blocking the screen, there are also some very acute-angle projectors nowadays. Can't seem to find the right Google keywords, but there was an article; it was something ridiculous like 15 degrees or less. Probably not for cinema resolutions, though, since the intended use case was more like meetings and whatever. (Plus probably some loss in image quality due to the large amount of ... 07:59:20 ... perspective correction.) 08:02:32 -!- azaq23 has joined. 08:02:55 fizzie: I've seen some acute-angle projectors that do a bunch of perspective correction, they're placed on the top of whiteboards, maybe about 30cm or so out 08:03:06 but I'm not quite sure if they're quite /that/ acute 08:03:25 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 08:07:23 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 08:10:34 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:19:18 -!- asiekierka has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:19:51 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Quit: brb). 08:20:12 -!- MoALTz has joined. 08:32:04 -!- asiekierka has joined. 08:42:14 -!- itidus20 has joined. 08:45:36 -!- itidus21 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:58:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:19:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:20:02 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:22:37 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:32:40 aimake is no longer vaporware! <-- so does that mean we can soon expect fe *hit by anvil falling through portal from future* 09:32:59 no, feather probably can't be written in a week 09:42:19 `addquote Sgeo: will i regret clicking that link? elliott: I'll check it for you yes ais523: thanks, I'll click it then 09:42:28 836) Sgeo: will i regret clicking that link? elliott: I'll check it for you yes ais523: thanks, I'll click it then 09:43:10 oerjan: it actually makes sense in context, too, he explained 09:43:27 but funnier without, i assume 09:46:44 why are these people allowed on my internet <-- to keep them out of the streets. 09:47:02 imagine the danger they would be in traffic. 09:48:50 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:53:02 Sgeo: why the fuck are you reading 3-year-old discussions on reddit <-- r/worstofreddithistory. you know it has to exist... 09:56:13 Sgeo: yes, cardinalities of the reals and of infinite strings of elements drawn from a finite alphabet are both aleph-one <-- /me swats ais523 for assuming the continuum hypothesis -----### 09:56:53 oerjan: I don't think that assumes the continuum hypothesis, aleph-one's defined as the cardinality of reals even if you assume there's more than one smaller infinity 09:57:09 no it is not. 09:58:14 aleph-one is defined as the smallest (well-orderable) cardinality larger than aleph-zero. it being == cardinality of reals is _precisely_ the continuum hypothesis. 09:58:59 there are however some popular math books which get that wrong. 09:59:43 beth-one, otoh, is equal to the cardinality of reals, being defined as 2^beth_zero = 2^aleph_zero. 10:03:34 Ohhhh, mk is that guy who just wanted to learn monads, not Haskell. <-- "i just want to read shakespeare in the original, not learn english!" 10:04:07 (note: no guarantee about appropriateness of analogy) 10:06:45 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:12:11 so I have to do something very serious and bureaucratic instead <-- darn, so no deadfish feature? :( 10:15:06 03:17:47: What does it mean, "How many IO concepts are there in Haskell"? 10:15:10 03:18:08: the point was that it it was a stupid question and so people were laughing at it 10:16:03 it doesn't sound stupid if you've heard about the lazy input/monads/iteratees/conduits/pipes mess 10:17:02 oh and there's frp, several variants. 10:17:54 and if you mix in the String/Bytestring/lazy Bytestring/Text/lazy Text/vector mess as well... 10:19:02 * oerjan fortunately does things so trivial he can just stay at the lazy String input level 10:19:13 haskelly trivial, that is. 10:19:25 -!- cheater has joined. 10:19:59 which otoh means i haven't really learned most of the others 10:20:09 *-really 10:21:08 -!- alvur has joined. 10:22:02 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 10:22:06 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!*alvur@95.57.97.*. 10:22:06 -!- oerjan has kicked alvur alvur. 10:22:26 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 10:22:58 darn i forgot to put in the ban evasion reason 10:33:18 -!- nortti has joined. 10:47:49 does the ban never expire? 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I suspect it's somehow connected to a jammed key on my touchpad 13:39:01 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:44:11 -!- cheater has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 13:54:40 -!- elliott has joined. 13:56:14 happy mailman mailing list membership reminders day 13:59:36 "But now I want to sidetrack into some of Yesod's underlying philosophy, and demonstrate its incompatibility with cabal. Many people know that Yesod is Hebrew for "Foundation." What you may not realize is that it's also a term from Jewish mysticism. Jewish mysticism, also known as Kaballah, includes the concepts of receiving energy from a source." 14:00:54 happy mailman mailing list membership reminders day <-- it's april 1, and /that's/ the best you can say? 14:02:39 ais523: i don't participate in internet jackass day, I just observe from the sidelines 14:02:46 this is brilliant: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2012-April/100527.html 14:02:57 this is brillianter: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2012-April/100533.html (only funny if you read the first one first) 14:03:33 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:03:48 is the first one a serious proposal with intentionally silly language, or just entirely silly? 14:03:52 I'm too tired to tell them apart 14:03:54 -!- azaq23 has joined. 14:04:57 ais523: it's more or less complete nonsense 14:05:35 the reply is the sort of thing I'd make, it's a perfectly sensible reply to the post whether it's entirely joke or entirely serious you don't understand or serious disguised as joke 14:05:49 ais523: it proposes using /youtube URLs/ as identifiers 14:05:55 taking it seriously is unforgivable 14:05:58 yes, I noticed that in a footnote 14:06:03 no, an appendix 14:06:25 I was about to say that the best parts were footnote 4 and appendix A, but then I realised that footnotes 1-1b and all the other appendices were good too 14:06:36 oh, "However, I can only get away with my proof using Scott-free semantics." is the other best bit 14:08:51 -!- MSleep has changed nick to MDude. 14:16:31 -!- derdon has joined. 14:17:03 -!- MoALTz has joined. 14:20:22 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 14:22:31 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 14:23:36 -!- cheater has joined. 14:24:45 -!- pikhq has joined. 14:29:13 -!- nortti has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:31:02 ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 14:31:08 APRIL FEUELZ!!!112156123786127836123 14:31:13 (you might need to ctrl+f5 it) 14:31:41 you can do that with CSS? 14:31:57 yep 14:31:58 heh, and it even affects edit pages 14:32:07 yes, which made it quite hard to fix a css error i made the first time 14:32:16 buttons look really weird upside-down 14:32:28 I'm using useskin=monobook to read the code ;) 14:33:04 upside-down english looks kinda like ipa 14:33:16 I wonder how long it would take for that to be reverted if someone did it on Wikipedia 14:33:19 I'm guessing between 1 and 3 minutes 14:33:38 and then five years of arbitration cases 14:33:49 I suppose I should remove this now 14:33:57 in case anyone actually wants to read the wiki 14:34:07 heh, OK ;) 14:35:26 oh, I have a better idea 14:36:30 ais523: try now 14:37:16 more usable, indeed 14:37:26 and potentially even useful for non-English languages 14:37:32 I think I'll leave it like this for a day 14:37:37 indeed, it reminds me of the hebrew wikipedia 14:37:47 (note: technically this isn't an april fool's, just me fucking with things, since it's after 12pm) 14:38:08 it's before 12pm in some places! 14:38:13 i like how the top vector bar gets confused and slides the view history link in if you have JS enabled 14:39:37 -!- nortti has joined. 14:40:13 ais523: I don't suppose there is any easy way to fix the caching of vector.css 14:40:15 rather ruins it 14:40:46 elliott: I'm reasonably sure there's a configuration variable /somewhere/ which invalidates everyone's caches when you bump it 14:40:52 but I never dealt with that bit of things 14:40:57 the devs could be made to bump it in emergencies 14:41:13 (it uses the old junk query parameter trick) 14:43:49 oh well 14:43:55 nortti: does http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page look normal to you? 14:44:01 maybe it's just because i was already on the site that it didn't reload or something 14:45:06 "1997 – Marriage in the Netherlands became more samey." -- come on WIkipedia, you can do better than this 14:45:49 elliott: oh, fun fact, you know how Wikipedia's main page is based on date templates? 14:45:57 well, they don't update automatically, someone has to purge the page 14:46:03 and today: it was me who did the purge :) 14:46:18 has anyone ever forgotten to? 14:47:10 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 14:47:13 well, it'd require /everyone/ to 14:47:18 especially as it can be done while not logged in 14:47:34 (although there's a clickthrough for that, to stop scrapers doing it unintentionally) 14:47:36 if only purges were logged, so people could race and use it to start drama 14:47:41 haha 14:50:58 elliott: pretty funny text effect 14:51:18 oh, so it does work without force-reloading? 14:51:20 interesting 14:51:47 OK, that's my minimum level of contribution for April 1st done 14:52:11 ais523: what's slashdot's? 14:52:27 "NASCAR is supporting Google's new racing division based on autonomous vehicle technology." heh 14:57:22 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:57:53 -!- azaq23 has joined. 14:59:27 -!- azaq23 has quit (Client Quit). 15:00:23 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651]). 15:02:23 -!- azaq23 has joined. 15:02:32 -!- RocketJSquirrel has set topic: Welcome to the International Hub for Esotericism and the Occult | Bringing computer systems from the astral plane since 1692! | Need some guidance on spirit projection? Elliott is the local expert, go to him first. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 15:05:08 gah, it would have been an actually good gag to rewrite the main page to be about esoterica 15:05:12 probably too late now 15:07:13 @time RocketJSquirrel 15:07:14 Local time for RocketJSquirrel is Sun Apr 1 11:06:45 15:07:23 who's on the other side of america to RocketJSquirrel? 15:07:30 @time shachaf 15:07:33 Local time for shachaf is Sun Apr 1 08:07:03 2012 15:07:36 close enough 15:09:42 @time ais523 15:09:43 Local time for ais523 is Sun Apr 1 16:09:15 2012 15:09:48 thanks 15:10:33 It's April 1 pretty well everywhere that matters. 15:11:07 i wanted to know how much april 1st there was left tho 15:11:09 @time fizzie 15:11:11 Local time for fizzie is Sun Apr 1 18:10:41 2012 15:11:12 @time clog 15:11:12 Local time for clog is Sun Apr 1 08:11:05 2012 15:11:17 clog responds to TIME? 15:11:30 @time Phantom_Hoover 15:11:31 Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Sun Apr 01 16:11:00 15:11:32 @time Patashu 15:11:33 Local time for Patashu is Mon Apr 02 01:11:05 2012 15:11:36 AHA 15:11:40 BURN THE WITCH 15:12:18 :o 15:12:20 how did it knooow 15:12:26 I must return to my own timeline now 15:12:58 Your client betrayed you. 15:16:44 -!- nortti has joined. 15:22:47 `? welcome 15:22:54 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 15:23:39 `run echo 'Welcome to the international hub for esotericism and the occult! For more information, check out our wiki: http://www.demonicpedia.com/' >wisdom/welcome 15:23:43 No output. 15:23:55 hth hand 15:24:09 ah, found it 15:24:19 I was going to ask how lambdabot knew my timezone, but there was obivously a ctcp somewhere 15:24:20 found what? 15:24:23 heh 15:24:24 CTCP TIME 15:24:30 and I was looking for which channel it had been reported in 15:24:42 back, btw 15:25:00 `WELCOME HELPLESS_NEWBIE 15:25:03 HELPLESS_NEWBIE: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERICISM AND THE OCCULT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://WWW.DEMONICPEDIA.COM/ 15:25:11 that'll make them feel welcome 15:25:42 unfortunately, nobody actually comes in here most days 15:25:45 huh? Esolangs front page is normal again 15:26:43 does demonicpedia actually exist? 15:26:46 `welcome test 15:26:47 ais523: yes 15:26:49 test: Welcome to the international hub for esotericism and the occult! For more information, check out our wiki: http://www.demonicpedia.com/ 15:26:52 nortti: is it? 15:26:54 hmm 15:26:55 try ctrl+f5 or such 15:26:57 I don't like thatchange 15:27:03 although it's unlikely to matter 15:27:05 nortti: probably caching 15:27:53 ellitt: I cleared my cache 15:29:05 nortti: same browser? 15:29:36 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:31:09 elliott: I have tried it with Camino 2.1 (cleared cache) and links2 and both seem normal 15:31:58 Which browser did you see the effect in first time? 15:32:09 I suspect Camino is just too old to understand the CSS. 15:33:03 olsner: Silly Opera user ping 15:34:44 me? I'm not silly! 15:34:47 elliott: The real trick would have been to make the wiki not quite about esotericism, but esoLANGS, where eso means esotericism :) 15:34:54 elliott: I saw it with TenFourFox. Camino is based on Gecko 1.9.2 by the way 15:35:30 nortti: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/transform#Browser_compatibility Looks like it should work, then 15:35:38 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]). 15:35:45 olsner: What's esolangs.org look like to you 15:35:52 elliott: looks entirely normal 15:36:14 olsner: Force-reload it? (so the CSS reloads) 15:36:19 "Opera: Clear the cache in Tools → Preferences" 15:36:22 lol Opera sux 15:36:26 It looks like april fool 15:36:39 -!- Frooxius has joined. 15:36:39 Slereah_: No, April Fool's ends at 12 pm. 15:36:51 Slereah_: This is just me deciding to fuck the wiki up. 15:37:00 I am free of all cultural expectations. 15:37:47 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 15:37:58 elliott: actually I'm using the fool CSS, it's just wrong 15:38:16 elliott : You so are culturally expected 15:38:17 You tool 15:38:18 Invalid value for property: -o-transform 15:38:24 olsner: opera v.? 15:38:40 11.62 15:38:52 :/ 15:39:00 mdn sez 10.5 up work with -o- 15:39:01 | 15:39:01 >\ 15:39:04 lol 15:39:05 olsner: does it recognise the "transform"? 15:39:08 even if it doesn't recognise the -o-transform 15:40:46 looks like it's spelled rotate in -o-transform 15:41:34 olsner: eh? 15:41:35 according to http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto24/css/transforms/ anyway 15:41:50 oh, they don't support rotateY? 15:42:16 oh! apparently neither does mozilla 15:42:19 uh bu 15:42:19 t 15:42:21 it works in ff, so 15:42:27 confused 15:42:35 maybe ff picks up the webkit transform instead 15:42:49 oh, but 15:42:50 "matrix(, , , , , ) 15:42:50 Specifies a 2D transformation in the form of a transformation matrix of six values. matrix(a,b,c,d,e,f) is equivalent to applying the transformation matrix [a b c d e f]." 15:43:02 olsner: patches welcome, i'm too lazy to work out the matrix 15:43:06 it's sunday, day of rest 15:43:08 day of doing nothing 15:47:04 I'm not quite sure what the transform is supposed to do though... is that rotateY thing the same as scaleX(-1)? 15:47:15 because that works with -o-transform 15:48:02 and yeah, opera doesn't do 3D transforms (yet?), only the 2D transforms 15:48:34 olsner: it's meant to flip the page horizontally 15:48:43