< 1334102890 373402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( there's no Shockwave player for Linux :(
< 1334102897 772613 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1334102909 158853 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1334102911 911262 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tragic loss.
< 1334103017 572543 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is /proc/self/maps telling me?
< 1334103044 41987 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Why shouldn't it?
< 1334103089 969514 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha... "/proc/PID/maps, the memory map showing which addresses currently visible to that process are mapped to which regions in RAM or to files."
< 1334103199 149302 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I want to play iSketch
< 1334103247 433134 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1334103263 874305 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because vim is written in C. C isn't homoiconic!
< 1334103350 505327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does homoiconic mean?
< 1334103427 476087 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When an icon and an icon love each other very much... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity
< 1334103565 387282 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can get Shockwave on WINE
< 1334103677 742974 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do sites even use it anymore?
< 1334103692 877435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally see it
< 1334103723 309532 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you sure that's shockwave, not flas
< 1334103723 668105 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1334103729 917144 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1334103755 134364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1334103757 881850 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's silverlight?
< 1334103834 748374 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silverwave
< 1334103835 676340 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does WINE cause my mouse to stop clicking?
< 1334103836 29121 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocklight
< 1334104027 731241 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-163-159.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1334104029 160896 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He maintains that his poetry portrays visually the drift and swirl of the things themselves and the interconnected chiaroscuro of shadowy essence and shimmering everydayness.[10]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_W._Robertson
< 1334104208 618668 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to XScreenSaver, something already grabbed the pointer
< 1334104219 544337 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I find it and kill it?
< 1334104242 861062 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by killing everything
< 1334104255 848644 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know, but bets there's no way to
< 1334104263 396178 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried restarting your computer
< 1334104289 268449 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to
< 1334104301 782360 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I will
< 1334104380 77125 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pageviews/2012/04/springfield-oregon-matt-groening-announces-location-of-%E2%80%9Cthe-simpsons%E2%80%9D
< 1334104380 370145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1334104381 112734 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1334104386 728617 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... whoa
< 1334104442 829414 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean they're going to stop making the simpsons (please say yes)
< 1334104463 799149 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here’s to another 25 years in Springfield, Oregon. 
< 1334104487 729400 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1334104490 745143 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__;
< 1334104514 192865 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEB828.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334104517 864915 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334104531 857625 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your problem fixed
< 1334104670 933340 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: It's the POWER OF UNIX.
< 1334104777 52969 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, yes, but not as comfortably as if I didn't have to turn it off and on again.
< 1334104792 403841 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1334105868 830586 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334105869 835771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1334105999 394080 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1334106426 237718 :Mathnerd314__!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1334106548 281007 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1334107361 974212 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: But it uses W->(a,W), therefore it's by definition bad!
< 1334107925 284708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334108578 535142 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1334108907 529308 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334109374 730816 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_
< 1334109376 982367 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1334109592 605687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is [@] good?" -- elliott
< 1334110081 541991 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1334110138 285743 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 NICK :MSleep
< 1334110435 677136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1334110555 861260 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f21b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334111598 645571 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the time difference from home and the lab are different by like 10 seconds, does that mean my program for some reason runs differently at home?"
< 1334111684 254286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1334111706 838124 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only deal with so much stupidity in my day to day life.
< 1334111714 414063 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have to stop. And just admire it. Like an art form.
< 1334111939 867590 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1334111946 984091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no!
< 1334111960 556261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost didn't notice
< 1334111965 524260 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the warning
< 1334112012 957472 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1334112429 492543 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334112504 253468 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1334112695 765800 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f21b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1334113106 924073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1334113114 71982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the context of that question enough to say whether it's stupid
< 1334113385 860170 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f21b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334115225 682232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334115323 799133 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgKX2uVRy0 ah nostalgia
< 1334115381 848719 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-128-12.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1334116213 383011 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Hello, sir.
< 1334116224 356481 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not even in here, either
< 1334116229 706987 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1334116237 965245 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said "Hello, sir."!
< 1334116250 395652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a new trick
< 1334116255 991701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No trick, monqy.
< 1334116262 571443 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is real life.
< 1334116284 262059 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to say hello?
< 1334116309 829294 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1334116317 968371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1334116340 742119 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You should come visit.
< 1334116354 41243 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? silly valley?
< 1334116372 281703 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1334116385 845649 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's over there and I'm over here
< 1334116404 754245 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1334116411 425715 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should come over there.
< 1334116489 10060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't travel much
< 1334117612 4218 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334117754 922352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: travel to
< 1334117797 670459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1334117805 198152 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy
< 1334117812 917575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1334117817 162356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME MONQY 
< 1334117824 604310 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONQY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE
< 1334118124 158025 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-7-71.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334120042 52085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello im back from being away (not here)
< 1334120547 311899 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f21b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1334120741 453273 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db405d7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334121172 54627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot believe six impossible things then you cannot have good imagination
< 1334121236 958722 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu
< 1334121244 573100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1334121844 145541 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-7-71.jax.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1334121870 353960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Try the parameter-for-each-method style of unsafeCoerce dictionary-passing.
< 1334121870 688451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1334121874 62647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on.
< 1334121876 272146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_
< 1334121878 399589 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Try the parameter-for-each-method style of unsafeCoerce dictionary-passing.
< 1334121878 824538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334121929 955434 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what if I believe I have written a program to determine whether an arbitrary Turing machine halts or not, and that my program always halts and gives the correct answer.
< 1334121955 216419 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only one impossible thing sorry!!!
< 1334121986 882167 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I believe I'm smarter than elliott_?
< 1334121991 662971 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that count as impossible?
< 1334122203 1559 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1334122257 567155 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is back.
< 1334122258 803708 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1334122325 25313 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heloo
< 1334123044 586108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I suppose it does count as impossible, but it isn't what I meant.
< 1334123060 786462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean the program to solve the halting problem, not whether you are smarter than elliott_)
< 1334123088 556831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant that is what counts as impossible; not that is what I meant by the original statement!)
< 1334123293 320239 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-7-97.jax.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1334124335 520490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Thanks to http://acm.wustl.edu/functional/haskell.php , I now know the steps to learning Haskell! Syntax, Commonly Used Functions & Basic Programming Techniques, Laziness, Types, Monads, I/O, Advanced Stuff and Further Reading
< 1334124417 66927 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.masterbranch.com/post/20813500731/open-source-projects-ranked-by-awesomeness
< 1334124441 37391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally someone has made an awesome ranking of awesome kick-ass hacker awesomeness
< 1334124470 211777 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, someone has figured out at last that awesomeness is the criterion to rank projects by.
< 1334124485 212274 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about time.
< 1334124517 985196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only natural that the top 10 projects are 7 ruby libraries, jquery-mobile, and a package manager for OS X
< 1334124520 883312 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea ages ago but I'm glad someone else figured it out.
< 1334124533 198809 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the most awesome kick-ass hacker projects of awesomeness
< 1334124545 796876 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux and gcc just aren't awesome
< 1334124568 359974 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the awesomeness of a project is calculated from the awesomeness of its developers.
< 1334124573 306182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell they're not awesome because the developers don't sound like retarded children
< 1334124604 37014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the awesomeness of a developer is calculated from the awesomeness of other people who Like and Follow them.
< 1334124614 2948 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly rails is the awesomest thing.
< 1334124627 795713 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not as much as docrails!
< 1334124633 511355 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, did you see the several people on HN who were congratulating themselves (in apparent seriousness) that their hipster startup web-design aesthetic had rubbed off on the tragically un-stylish academics who developed Mosh?
< 1334124644 430496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rails is so awesome its documentation is twice-awesome.
< 1334124702 823329 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, it says "Make it look like a fake startup company" right on the front page.
< 1334124714 157198 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think the joke went over a few heads :)
< 1334124826 672587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Keith is correct that "awesome" is a term of art in the Ruby / web community
< 1334124829 604754 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a talk tomorrow: «Everyone interested in math is invited. Sander Kuper will be giving a talk on "Space-filling curves and the Hahn-Mazurkiewicz theorem"»
< 1334124842 26870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I go?
< 1334124861 62526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what it means
< 1334124864 895158 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know these 7 ruby libraries really are the most awesome software
< 1334124960 911418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux might be useful software but it's certainly not Awesome
< 1334124966 479772 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's below the drupal layer
< 1334124969 930554 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even needs to think about that
< 1334124996 801263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know enough topology to appreciate the statement of the Hahn-Mazurkiewicz theorem :/
< 1334125003 890342 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just looked for the comment you mentioned and found http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3821776 , for what it's wroth.
< 1334125005 965488 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less its proof or implicatios
< 1334125025 602151 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I.
< 1334125033 779436 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did list IO::Pty somewhere
< 1334125038 548631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on mosh.mit.edu
< 1334125063 701267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like that "a github page with somebody's vim configuration" is more Awesome than vim
< 1334125077 554364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's really obvious how
< 1334125087 138399 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim isn't written in Ruby, but this config might be a config for writing Ruby
< 1334125156 738845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I read hacker news it makes me embarrassed about the fact that someone might apply the "hacker" label to me
< 1334125239 600199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-162.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1334125242 312078 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-198.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334125252 849476 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd rather have http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html applied to you?
< 1334125269 754531 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be an Internet "What Kind of Hacker Are You" quiz.
< 1334125279 341110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you more of an "ESR Hacker" or a "PG Hacker"?
< 1334125286 127002 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an important question.
< 1334125292 687132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta know.
< 1334125304 41873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to rage against them as more or less interchangeable groups
< 1334125306 426895 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is inaccurate
< 1334125328 939343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESR writes crap code and is obsessed with dick-measuring and self-promotion
< 1334125341 256850 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that trait seems to be shared with the HN crowd
< 1334125401 931219 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the hacker mythos that PG advances for business reasons is the same one ESR advances for whatever reason he has
< 1334125455 468788 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both camps are obsessed with drawing a line between Us and Them
< 1334125498 734838 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PG will try to convince you that the only way to prove you're one of Us is to work for PG for under minimum wage for a summer
< 1334125725 670135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sh4un.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/broadcastip.gif
< 1334125846 984812 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently https://github.com/rubyspec/rubyspec is a spec?
< 1334125871 193086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an awesome spec
< 1334125896 967580 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought specs were supposed to be more general than unit tests.
< 1334125936 976785 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you aren't an awesome kick-ass hacker
< 1334125946 454815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict, a spec is what you get when you run unit tests and format the output in a particular way
< 1334125973 747136 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do I become one. :-(
< 1334125973 907538 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not "unit" tests, but a bunch of tests
< 1334126014 360846 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the tests are annotated with text which together forms more of a conventional language spec
< 1334126031 776887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a language spec with examples built in, and a way to check all the examples against your implementation
< 1334126049 319119 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this use of the word "spec" also a Ruby term of art?
< 1334126050 163812 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's reasonable.
< 1334126063 628545 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I wouldn't call it an "executable spec".
< 1334126086 906611 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is: http://rspec.info/
< 1334126175 144899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PART :#esoteric
< 1334126189 297236 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just splitting hairs because you aren't awesome enough
< 1334126323 572602 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-7-227.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334126786 661786 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: BayHac is next weekend!
< 1334126789 747506 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)
< 1334126791 5292 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should come.
< 1334126828 962349 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1334127602 636147 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334127641 366392 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334129530 459213 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1334129601 483373 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-7-227.jax.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1334130091 811043 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334130129 990499 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, maybe you don't need to decode the instruction.
< 1334130132 480971 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at the state of the page before and after.
< 1334130134 779357 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be even worse efficiency-wise, of course. :-)
< 1334130219 574808 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, except for reads.
< 1334130436 336425 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1334131710 388282 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334131712 855399 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1334131733 133175 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1334131968 769306 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently libgpm handles xterm events too.
< 1334131998 708234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But gpm the mouse server doesn't handle xterm escape codes.
< 1334132148 900919 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334132179 968891 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming awesome
< 1334132187 378730 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone awake?
< 1334132193 299031 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i need some more coffee
< 1334132211 311955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody awake
< 1334132420 344218 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all asleep
< 1334132427 966110 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im an anchovi
< 1334132521 198176 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite esoteric programming language?
< 1334132530 525617 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubyonrails
< 1334132637 929707 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd you?
< 1334132639 522197 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer brainfuckonballones
< 1334132646 604563 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*balloons
< 1334132648 571869 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syllables in matrices
< 1334132654 723110 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fillable balloons i assume
< 1334132663 957066 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the type that let air out
< 1334132669 575389 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot air balloons
< 1334132672 569055 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats wanksta
< 1334132758 895750 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my balones are cold air only please
< 1334132807 957800 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot air makes them uncomfortable, and uncomfortable balonnes means uncomfortable monqy
< 1334132838 478359 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant have monqy unless you're uncomfortable yourself
< 1334132868 592816 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :niggas please
< 1334132874 637783 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be a hater
< 1334132889 85829 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay !
< 1334132906 554110 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot air balloons do manage comfortably
< 1334132919 855886 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven times seven equals eight
< 1334132939 570771 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is comfortably for you, but have you considered the balonnes?
< 1334132971 247798 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the balonnes dont belong here
< 1334132984 818669 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :white air does ride
< 1334132984 978929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :balones always belong, i am afraid and sorry both
< 1334132992 472357 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1334132998 581661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: welcome to conversation
< 1334133001 642485 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :riding air bubbles belongs in the train station
< 1334133005 527763 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf
< 1334133012 179353 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf waddup
< 1334133019 170539 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atlantan
< 1334133020 232609 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133043 914238 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyheyheyh
< 1334133057 554532 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an academic anomaly in space time travel
< 1334133062 376897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1334133072 5181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks HackEgo
< 1334133074 474494 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good greeting
< 1334133082 977136 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ive found my place
< 1334133088 624788 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :early days though
< 1334133095 397341 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Remember when you used to say hi?
< 1334133098 938781 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were the days.
< 1334133124 923515 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember how to say hi
< 1334133127 952986 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll relive the experience tonight, hi
< 1334133131 198935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is just
< 1334133131 529249 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its freakish
< 1334133132 420094 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much hi
< 1334133133 953889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't resist
< 1334133135 203862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlantan: hi
< 1334133137 179065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133143 621273 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bri
< 1334133171 683074 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today was a bad day to try kicking that habit
< 1334133176 77479 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tonight it is a party
< 1334133177 402568 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hi party
< 1334133180 518650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133180 870213 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1334133188 713499 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1334133199 408683 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can kick the habit another day.
< 1334133261 178199 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys have got an escapism plague going
< 1334133280 8082 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: write a poem monqy
< 1334133281 706621 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys have to wikn
< 1334133283 910905 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :win*
< 1334133284 71785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133292 110842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atlantan
< 1334133292 514335 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133306 735522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired for poetry
< 1334133307 267042 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334133309 595156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  - a poem
< 1334133311 346973 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi
< 1334133319 152414 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should sleep
< 1334133326 506103 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you smoke?
< 1334133331 932983 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1334133337 545367 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to have a smoke
< 1334133338 76013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has other addictions
< 1334133342 396831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if shachaf suggests it to him he will
< 1334133343 566799 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahyep
< 1334133356 723547 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P
< 1334133494 605333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if the hi's haunt you.. you can give them up again soon
< 1334133507 79847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving up hi is easy. I've done it hundreds of time.
< 1334133512 442144 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello budgy cantella max rules per porridge
< 1334133516 258555 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polpol
< 1334133540 47725 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm hooked on hi
< 1334133541 6720 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever
< 1334133541 909052 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for life
< 1334133546 707108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i never escape
< 1334133559 480875 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that so bad?
< 1334133574 159332 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people lead a normal life even with hi
< 1334133592 344482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's not true.. they are secretly haunted by the hi
< 1334133602 393593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel better now
< 1334133603 512160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about hi
< 1334133604 978798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about myself
< 1334133656 312142 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks everyone
< 1334133657 850076 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1334133663 268407 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi is a sky equation and it roots itself in humanity
< 1334133677 808034 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are all scared
< 1334133690 448170 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :satanic little puppet
< 1334134021 969836 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel sorry now
< 1334134026 34721 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :litle man
< 1334134038 905151 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subjectivist microbes do relay interference
< 1334134173 941122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sir, it appears you have a thought disorder
< 1334134201 138690 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eardrums do connect
< 1334134213 119803 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dearest elf
< 1334134213 649760 :Ngevd!4e92aa39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.146.170.57 QUIT :
< 1334134231 991921 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterica monstrosita
< 1334134234 988597 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1334134245 188888 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1334134250 628518 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a good cunt man dont be a bitch
< 1334134340 551031 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterica mon letterman
< 1334134348 67571 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :letterman can be assumed
< 1334134349 519252 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1334134367 426171 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kia ora bro im a maori
< 1334134425 115716 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PART :#esoteric
< 1334134555 846922 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334134644 113176 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rambangmachanchan
< 1334134660 284782 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i soterica me twept
< 1334134869 801103 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-118-107.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1334135913 227291 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nohat me glocgloc
< 1334135949 57439 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this channel have any actual operators?
< 1334135957 500813 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who just lurk without @
< 1334135958 753502 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aslaskian me chopchop
< 1334135963 845517 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting to pounce?
< 1334136012 386223 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiger awaits
< 1334136027 400967 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if theres anyone here who wants to talk
< 1334136108 726817 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the ability to make people not want to talk
< 1334136118 893951 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a power
< 1334136134 743232 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be related to your average sentence reading like it's straight out of Finnegan's Wake
< 1334136162 72885 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hat does turn backwards occasionally
< 1334136192 988597 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidely i am allowed
< 1334136240 639952 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the sound of that book
< 1334136247 926623 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would love it
< 1334136252 64155 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like you
< 1334136257 322998 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1334136264 505744 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peace and provenance
< 1334136288 374875 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are dragons claws allowed in here?
< 1334136298 883275 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im here to stay
< 1334136345 827448 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laymans terms
< 1334136351 308121 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a fag and i need to sleep
< 1334136392 868761 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leekleek
< 1334136399 640011 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homosexuals are welcome
< 1334136401 176252 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragons are not
< 1334136403 792588 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry mate
< 1334136407 146445 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1334136409 720242 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky im a homo
< 1334136460 542653 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry mate but you braze too many waters
< 1334136830 336933 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other esoterica chats you could recommend
< 1334137307 288434 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, did you know that in addition to \e[? Pm h and Pm l, you can Pm s to save and Pm r to restore?
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< 1334144546 28451 :atlantan!~hustlerme@219.89.226.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pythagoras theorom is really a quilt
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< 1334152416 932639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, this is one of the more awesome TDWTF threads I've seen in a while: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/25919/285908.aspx#285908
< 1334152493 49072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(summary: someone at White Castle was turning straws round to have a "this end up" sign at the top; turns out that they have a "this end up" sign on /both/ ends, but only on one side, and they were turning over just the straws where the sign wasn't visible because the straw was facing the wrong way)
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< 1334152501 42154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least two layers of WTF there
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< 1334152504 299711 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 NICK :MDude
< 1334152611 298752 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol
< 1334152616 455722 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both ends up, one end forward.
< 1334152645 666459 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the guy didn't even mention the WTF that is printing "this end up" on both ends, just about flipping it 'round the wrong axis.
< 1334152661 171177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1334152673 904552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's a limit to how much stupidity can be perceived in a short period of time
< 1334152678 221448 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1334152693 141443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's snoofle, he has to deal with huge amounts of stupidity at his day job too (and gets paid a lot for it)
< 1334152699 311732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is why he still does it, I think)
< 1334152881 850766 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDI is annoying me recently.
< 1334152932 84192 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note with velocity 64 + expression 127 has the same amplitude during sustain as a note with velocity 127 + expression 64. I have learned this by careful measurement, since the actual relationship is unspecified. And it's true for all values of velocity and expression. EXCEPT when the expression changes too fast, then it seems to just make up shit.
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< 1334155278 127640 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
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< 1334156935 750874 :GhostHand!~GhostHand@114.220.164.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm comming
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< 1334157083 943952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-57.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd
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< 1334158084 881600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I've found a website that mostly works fine without JS, except that it has a <noscript> tag that covers up the entire content area, deliberately, and prevents any links working
< 1334158230 959265 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334158313 699539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works fine for me if I just firebug away the tag (adblock doesn't seem capable of getting rid of them)
< 1334158647 780828 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1334159540 820535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1334159540 981319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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< 1334159565 577715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334159571 436488 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131428.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1334160474 464558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I think I've found an STM-related statement we can *all* agree is idiotic.
< 1334160479 443508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It seems locks are more composable than STM."
< 1334160520 96207 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wut
< 1334160684 603081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@jmg: I've read through that paper before, and I'm not really sure about the logic. If I have a function f that has a transaction that runs for 0.01 seconds for 0.00001 seconds, and another function g that has a transaction that uses the same TVar that runs every 10 seconds for 0.1 seconds, I can't compose the two, f will "lock out" g. I could compose the two using locks however (although, f would be slightly delayed at times). It seems locks ar
< 1334160684 803115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e more composable than STM. – Clinton 9 hours ago"
< 1334160684 803369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have no idea what locks /or/ STM are :P
< 1334160684 803478 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334160684 803941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhh...
< 1334160684 804062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Your DMS likes to die.
< 1334160714 204814 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's some math I did yesterday:
< 1334160714 518417 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a bit sensitive :)
< 1334160714 679415 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just ping-based, so if Codu hiccups, it fires.
< 1334160725 263677 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, math:
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< 1334160749 226373 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :log(playedVelocity)+log(expression) = log(desiredVelocity)+log(64/127)  \  expression = e^(log(desiredVelocity) + log(64/127) - log(playedVelocity))
< 1334160754 667532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this STM guy keeps asking a billion questions about the minutiae of various concurrency abstractions in Haskell >_>
< 1334160759 471786 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what can VERY CLEVER people tell me about simplifying that last equation?
< 1334160769 575618 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about having e raised to the power of a bunch of logs summed?
< 1334160773 949642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That sure is math!
< 1334160791 281487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram|Alpha doesn't understand your query
< 1334160791 457623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showing instead result for query: log log log
< 1334160815 935801 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wut X-D
< 1334160819 637090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: HAY IS IT 64d/127p
< 1334160825 672272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Turns out W|A hates multi-letter variable names :P)
< 1334160830 558641 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1334160832 599444 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes.
< 1334160843 859252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are, like, powers of two.
< 1334160845 472840 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The e^ and logs cancel out (and promote + and - into * and /), making the whole thing retarded.
< 1334160846 338510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, almost. Mostly.
< 1334160893 825794 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After running the program nearly half hour,it finally finished without segfault.but the computer became really slow,30 seconds for terminal 30seconds for closing a tab in browser, do you restart your computer every time after execute it. I gotta restart now"
< 1334160899 377486 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, we don't restart our computers after running the program. Students run their programs all the time in the lab and the machine never need to be rebooted."
< 1334160906 559818 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wish I bought one of those powerful machines instead of this wreck"
< 1334160911 808422 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't have to do with the computer. It has to do with your code."
< 1334160921 368336 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No matter how stupid your STM guy is, this student is more so.
< 1334161053 679451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy isn't smart enough to come out with the real gems like "It seems locks are more composable than STM.".
< 1334161074 303089 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Nowhere near so.
< 1334161078 774335 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy is beyond hopeless.
< 1334161126 800409 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the last day, he's claimed that strncpy doesn't work, diff doesn't work, that the performance numbers we presented are 60 times less than what's actually possible, and that his code works even though it crashes after 30 minutes of chewing through all the memory.
< 1334161187 692950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's right. strncpy and diff don't work, because they're C, and Unix.
< 1334161226 200664 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not Haskell, and not implemented with STM.
< 1334161266 650431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Hey, I hate Haskell and STM.
< 1334161397 966705 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hate is relative.
< 1334161417 222560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1334161457 349622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet is too small.
< 1334161474 472891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really. The internet is too small.
< 1334161551 881816 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only four billion IP addresses!
< 1334161617 653981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the IP addresses, it's the graph!
< 1334161676 741989 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its diameter is probably only like 15.
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< 1334162462 449317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1334162462 802636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Wed Apr 11 17:41:31
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< 1334162792 44899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are account number and branch numbers on cheques have checksums?
< 1334162956 594499 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess would be that the barcode does (as part of its barcode encoding) but the actual numbers do not. Just a guess though.
< 1334162996 681526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheques I have do not include a barcode
< 1334163018 167782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cheques are plastic and have magnetic strips on them and they're called credit cards
< 1334163056 925968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, nginx upgrade
< 1334163060 482555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brace yourselves
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< 1334163365 777512 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And I'd like to contribute [...] my erotic fiction starring Midshipman First Class James Port, 'Hard To Port'." — Utahraptor
< 1334163377 415305 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That name. Wow.
< 1334164006 368200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It makes no sense to say min USA Canada or USA < Canada."
< 1334164016 429490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UM CLEARLY IT DOES AND THE ANSWER IS "NO"
< 1334164079 411716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: So where's the JS implementation of my language?
< 1334164094 429313 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i met this canadian once
< 1334164099 905554 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thought stars are planets
< 1334164114 118137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK, Americans think stars are Jesus.
< 1334164124 828982 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But then, what DON'T we think is Jesus?)
< 1334164142 144862 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seemed to have a worse english vocabulary than me
< 1334164243 949007 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although probably more reliable in everyday life)
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< 1334165474 940819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:C-INTERCAL may interest you
< 1334165502 50920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I saw that, and didn't join in because I wasn't sure
< 1334165508 412632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's both an impl, and a language described by that impl
< 1334165623 855325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I added a comment
< 1334165748 54905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, why don't browsers have search-and-replace functionality in textboxes?
< 1334165755 997807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1334165757 413141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MW's editor does
< 1334165764 952730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does regexps
< 1334165984 435892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why didn't you tell me :'(
< 1334165997 677807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know
< 1334166011 96766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO EXCUSE
< 1334166206 750996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, CLC has an esolang account
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< 1334166951 715415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[1][2][citation needed]" --Wikipedia
< 1334167112 186377 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikipedia" --Wikipedia
< 1334167184 578676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" --Wikipedia
< 1334167228 408886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow!
< 1334167241 660328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know the inventor of Lazy K invented HuffYUV?
< 1334167252 258591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1334167256 515178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Kayak too)
< 1334167266 757550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, and Avisynth as well
< 1334167344 344061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, this might interest you: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/not-not-ml/index.htm
< 1334167353 932669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the same guy, +spj, +some other guy nobody cares about)
< 1334167393 941627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts to clean up http://esolangs.org/wiki/UglyBF, realises the only possible benefit to the world that would cause is to increase his own edit count
< 1334167432 354491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, it might, but is not something I think I can get my head around right now
< 1334167437 301599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Hcbf&diff=prev&oldid=1152 what a great article
< 1334167442 769357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before cpressey ruined it with "style"
< 1334167463 965161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IL's type system includes negation (continuations), but not implication (function arrow)." -- oh, that's really beautiful
< 1334167614 403596 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1334167678 512134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Inflection err, what a mess
< 1334167717 385435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what to do with that; put a stub description of inflection-the-natlang-concept on the article and move the existing contents to the talk page?
< 1334167916 667821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, should paper titles be in italics? I forget
< 1334167963 50697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't normally, IIRC, but I'm not sure
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< 1334168085 726935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expands http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ben_Rudiak-Gould
< 1334168228 634074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Hey, what's up with "cont fix"? What *is* with that term? What does it *mean*?
< 1334168228 795162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168233 754944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Wait, that was meant to be @ask.
< 1334168233 915449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168235 173725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Hey, what's up with "cont fix"? What *is* with that term? What does it *mean*?
< 1334168235 347736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168420 187604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334168471 639279 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Does it really make that big of a difference?
< 1334168472 50902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168475 919393 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott I'm sure people will figure it out.
< 1334168476 290356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168673 830894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask RocketJSquirrel Die!
< 1334168674 31378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334168681 601316 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334168965 495428 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die! is totally a question.
< 1334168988 358845 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally oblivious to context sometimes.
< 1334168989 530280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted.
< 1334168991 756113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1334168991 916179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1334168994 231179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1334168995 290438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to
< 1334168996 173019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop the his
< 1334168997 936637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mesages
< 1334168998 97415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel said 8m 46s ago: Does it really make that big of a difference?
< 1334168998 97612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel asked 8m 41s ago: I'm sure people will figure it out.
< 1334169034 229357 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1334169034 707931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 6m 1s ago: Die!
< 1334169041 661380 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Die?
< 1334169042 131809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1334169050 469530 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, thank you."
< 1334169085 676899 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a cube with markings on each face at RocketJSquirrel 
< 1334169096 600078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die? (y/n)
< 1334169111 117654 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo_bar.h or foo-bar.h?
< 1334169138 574607 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Dylan Grillin?
< 1334169156 47578 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, I have a weird chain of thought)
< 1334169163 392361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: both, with unrelated content
< 1334169172 900768 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yesssss
< 1334169214 923910 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UivcJ2VdhfA
< 1334169376 599254 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is clearly easily amused
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< 1334169515 81290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interwiki links on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ben_Rudiak-Gould look really ugly now, right? (might have to force-reload)
< 1334169515 241460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1334169519 495809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1334169519 665960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
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< 1334169690 338167 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dat double-U >_>
< 1334169723 528536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's ugly, yes?
< 1334169730 564405 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... intrusive.
< 1334169732 367081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just need support so that oerjan doesn't accuse me of bias :P)
< 1334169779 780678 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if it were ... uhh, different in virtually any way. It's kind of at a local minima of yuck.
< 1334169796 915786 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is not not ML, apparently.
< 1334169835 501185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Sgeo, that is indeed a direct quote from the page I linked.
< 1334169869 522325 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NBC's "the more you know" logo flies by*
< 1334169905 578193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Recipe for controlling Lego using Lava" There is no way this article cannot be awesome.
< 1334170011 690468 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-241.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334170069 355496 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava will be some lame and obscure uninteresting programming language.
< 1334170072 369782 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott will cry.
< 1334170123 377511 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most uninteresting languages are the least obscure, surely?
< 1334170125 786394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I even know what Lava is there.
< 1334170140 431499 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....Oh, Lava probably is NOT a synonym for Java
< 1334170147 923163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's a functional hardware specification DSL.
< 1334170157 152135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: CONTROLLING LEGO WITH IT: STILL AWESOME???
< 1334170185 66479 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs*, makes sense to me.
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< 1334170562 459826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How did camel-case get invented?
< 1334170579 907449 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is this a bad joke or do you have somethingAgainstCamelCase?
< 1334170596 551335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yes, I hate it. :(
< 1334170609 824723 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WellTooDamnedBad.
< 1334170611 812511 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nonadventures.com/no-nad.html
< 1334170615 778358 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NSFWish)
< 1334170619 226722 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my code has mixed_camelCaseAnd_underlines.
< 1334170674 573848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: :(
< 1334170704 82049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: *underscores, phillistine.
< 1334170718 881589 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neuticles.com/ this actually exists
< 1334170739 272767 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a tendency to use underscores for namespacing, and camel case for everything else.
< 1334170764 590736 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Mf_StartStream
< 1334170769 155126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: [People who use languages without namespacing.]
< 1334170772 800728 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I usually wouldn't capitalize that way)
< 1334170782 753956 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ♥ C
< 1334170787 998184 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And namespacing is for losers anyway.
< 1334170824 865584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's preference goes something like hyphen-ation > under_scores > lowerCamelCase > UpperCamelCase > mushedtogether
< 1334170892 936115 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot > unxmshd
< 1334170908 272342 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I must admit the “underscores for hierarchy and camelCase for everything else” style is used very nicely with Haskell QuickCheck, even though i don’t like camelCase very much either.
< 1334170915 568396 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mushed together and most vowels removed)
< 1334170924 668753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yeah, I'm OK with prop_fooBar.
< 1334170929 256881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of.
< 1334170934 655190 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not when I do it.
< 1334170939 511532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, really it should just be fooBar.
< 1334170946 935139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: creat
< 1334170951 256901 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I couldn't be rocket_j_squirrel because that goes over the nick length limit.
< 1334170959 256493 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, CamelCase wins.
< 1334170969 260255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lowerCamelCase has a significant problem:
< 1334170972 264149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpFoo vs. fooHTTP
< 1334170983 444379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prop_transmogrifyTribbles_withNoTribbles, prop_transmogrifyTribbles_withManyTribbles
< 1334170988 361156 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would agree that that's a problem, but argue with your definition of "significant"
< 1334170991 168829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all variants of camel-case have the Http vs. HTTP problem; latter one jumbles word boundaries, former one is hideous.
< 1334171009 175506 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1334171009 335883 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some programs may even format the output as an equivalent tree.
< 1334171026 536147 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :• transmogrifyTribbles:
< 1334171027 269783 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use - in names >.>
< 1334171027 612225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, none of this really *matters*. It's significant as far as problems with word-smashing schemes go.
< 1334171028 274801 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use i_something_like_this on variable names andSomethigLikeThis() on function names
< 1334171034 589466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :  • withNoTribbles: OK
< 1334171036 449964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: * elliott 's preference goes something like hyphen-ation > under_scores > lowerCamelCase > UpperCamelCase > mushedtogether
< 1334171039 605542 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :  • withManyTribbles: FAIL
< 1334171040 337827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No, that's the worst.
< 1334171052 478332 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1334171053 826222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's horrible and bad and promotes a silly dichotomy.
< 1334171064 53111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's practically Hungarian notation restricted to only one type.
< 1334171077 12964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ಠ_ಠ
< 1334171086 491873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/humidity ← look, it's code I'm publishing that is almost entirely unusable by anyone but myself. It is perhaps the most niche code I've ever written 8-D
< 1334171113 652724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY we can humidity with computers.
< 1334171122 679249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that a MIDI thing?
< 1334171132 394329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would, like, predict the humidity in your area or something.
< 1334171156 689743 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the name's a portmanteau of "human", "midi" and "timidity".
< 1334171159 743004 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No humidity here.
< 1334171188 288140 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i_ on the start is int, c_ is char, s_ is string, ia_ is in array etc.
< 1334171218 609490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Predict? That’s boring. Control the humidity!
< 1334171299 154457 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :timidity already contains midi
< 1334171328 928331 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what naming style should I use if my current one is the worst?
< 1334171354 322099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition of “the worst”, anything else. :-P
< 1334171414 560121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nortti> elliott: i_ on the start is int, c_ is char, s_ is string, ia_ is in array etc.
< 1334171419 339628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually do that?
< 1334171425 606323 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1334171430 529518 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1334171434 182312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I said it was practically Hungarian notation restricted to only one type.
< 1334171437 890933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're actually using systems Hungarian.
< 1334171443 367524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't even what Hungarian notation was _designed_ to be.
< 1334171457 148065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html)
< 1334171473 756228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, you use a /perversion/ of the second-worst naming convention ever devised :P
< 1334171495 847190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first-worst?
< 1334171498 346432 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the worst?
< 1334171517 96304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The one nortti is using.
< 1334171527 344302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition, a perversion of the second-worst naming convention is pretty much gonna have to be the worst.
< 1334171584 770098 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use type prefixes because they are very convinient when using assembly
< 1334171664 756800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I see
< 1334171666 218790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's wrong with Joel's conception of Hungarian notation?
< 1334171696 462093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have used systems hungarian before, but there were too mitigating factors: a) everyone else does in that language too, b) I frequently had several variables referring to the same thing but with different types
< 1334171696 622937 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you're calling it second-worst, I mean
< 1334171715 392302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because the language wanted to be OO but wasn't
< 1334171741 917929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not Joel's, it's Simonyi's.
< 1334171774 778395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And it's second-worst because, while the perverted form is simply being redundant with your type system, the non-perverted form is working around your insufficient type system.
< 1334171786 439865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tainted_foo -> foo :: Unsafe String
< 1334171790 856204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe_foo -> foo :: Safe String
< 1334171791 739537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1334171827 203987 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in a language where that's necessary, how is that bad?
< 1334171842 538675 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad sign for the language, but not of the scheme itself, isn't it?
< 1334171881 233224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything specifically designed to awkwardly kludge around the arbitrary limits of a tool is pretty much destined to be terrible.
< 1334171927 731378 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't really add type system to x86-16 assembly
< 1334172086 233724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, when did other-extensions appear...
< 1334172088 350204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even documented
< 1334172612 470908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think (Codensity Endo) is a list monad?
< 1334172648 922238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a version of Codensity based on Plus and a Plus that does not require Functor, and it seems to act like it
< 1334172897 344706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sawny> haskell feels like brainfuck
< 1334172930 809555 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334172950 54930 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1334172998 973250 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell and #esoteric should be merged
< 1334173003 138368 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moi!
< 1334173051 637925 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131428.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1334173088 669667 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought I would write a wrapper that translated GPM events to Xterm-style events.
< 1334173102 944103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about codensity?
< 1334173104 967566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyy
< 1334173109 203848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange++
< 1334173117 658827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now *I'm* reading about termios.
< 1334173127 982954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: another person who thinks brainfuck is the most insane possible programming language
< 1334173140 660096 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange++++++
< 1334173145 415093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a deep and dark rabbit-like-creature hole.
< 1334173149 807772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it FUCKED my BRAIN "L O LROFLe"!!!
< 1334173204 48185 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see the monqy gave in?
< 1334173208 640050 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weren't there for him. :-(
< 1334173223 479511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're horrible
< 1334173269 794504 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-57.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1334173273 415407 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering, does this channel ever talk about something unrelated to haskell, or rather, does it ever talk about any of the less functionally oriented approaches, and/or practical stuff?
< 1334173310 405455 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is practical
< 1334173338 453735 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've often scrolled by the window (lurked here a lot), but i dont recall ever seeing anything i would fi?nd interresting.
< 1334173339 564049 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a big long line that computes primes
< 1334173343 445581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: This channel discuss various things, whether it is related to Haskell or not
< 1334173347 847313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we talk about things that aren't haskell
< 1334173352 604954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :View the logs if you want; find many things
< 1334173354 920451 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but does it really?
< 1334173358 98106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why you'd think we'd talk about practical things in here given the channel name and purpose though
< 1334173367 98975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Does it really, what?
< 1334173372 583729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait aren't you that guy who was wrong about C once and I decided to hold an everlasting grudge against you forevermore because of it
< 1334173376 467931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta take these things seriously
< 1334173379 823450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:21:19: <shachaf> Are you more of an "ESR Hacker" or a "PG Hacker"?
< 1334173389 758409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a third option where i'm e.g. a dead rat or something, that would be preferable
< 1334173396 447134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "ESR Hacker" and "PG Hacker"?
< 1334173417 25823 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but does it really? [... context inserted for your convenience ...]  discuss various things, whether it is related to Haskell
< 1334173426 42743 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or not
< 1334173443 1883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what Zuu's question is any more.
< 1334173445 298584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Yes view the logs. We discuss many things, practical or not, Haskell or not, English or not...
< 1334173474 590408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like how you quote me out of context like that.
< 1334173479 534604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes it look like I'm serious.
< 1334173480 447888 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, if i really have to pull up months old logs to find such, i take that it's a rare occation.
< 1334173491 456435 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> shachaf: is there a third option where i'm e.g. a dead rat or something, that would be preferable
< 1334173505 572846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: see, we were just talking about dead rats
< 1334173523 242441 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i take that as a no then.
< 1334173524 604283 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell often talks about the less functionally oriented approaches
< 1334173535 115148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of Haskell code is not written in functional style
< 1334173539 909328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have discussed food, computer game, Pokemon card, science, mathematics, esoteric programming, C programming, astrology, religion, spoken languages, dead rats, jokes, philosophy, and much more.......
< 1334173567 824180 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, #esoteric is nominally about esoteric programming languages: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1334173577 125769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is mine (see dvi-processing) written in functional style, or not?
< 1334173581 62965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1334173586 274682 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah that's what i tohught as well, thats just not what i've seen.
< 1334173586 909109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like haskell is even discussed that often in here, it's mostly idiots in #haskell ;)
< 1334173594 786875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Yes, esoteric programming languages is the main topic of this channel, but we are not on this topic much
< 1334173603 171877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: do you have a question/complaint/suggestion I honestly have no idea
< 1334173609 627740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, #esoteric is often used for snarking about #haskell
< 1334173613 945082 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix fox
< 1334173615 358661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (fox (...
< 1334173622 463464 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clarify, when I say "lots of Haskell code is not written in functional style" i mean this is a good thing
< 1334173632 525507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite what you read on the internet, Haskell is a practical, multiparadigm language
< 1334173638 702602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:19:09: <qfr> Does this channel have any actual operators?
< 1334173638 879058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:19:17: <qfr> Who just lurk without @
< 1334173642 241311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: You're not meant to have @ on freenode.
< 1334173656 66056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're not meant to have @ in this universe.
< 1334173656 226447 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I love imperative programming in Haskell because I still get abstraction, good types, great compiler
< 1334173657 809755 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: back to my point, the topic seems to be mostly about haskell and or other higly functional approaches. So, let me ask it stih way, at what times of the week, are you mostly discussing other kinds of languages?
< 1334173657 983322 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1334173662 187285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I never said it wasn't a good thing. I was asking a different question
< 1334173664 762045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things don't magically become worthless once you have state
< 1334173665 404935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1334173666 534847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH it looks like no op was online at the time.
< 1334173668 78224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought some people might have
< 1334173675 983688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: we don't have a schedule
< 1334173682 715111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: I do not think there is a consistent regularity in it
< 1334173684 112847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new esolangs rarely come up
< 1334173691 613835 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in #haskell i was always arguing with fanatics who want you to feel dirty for using an IORef ever
< 1334173693 475711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there isn't much interesting new esolang stuff it reverts to off-topic nonsense
< 1334173706 192407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which often involves haskell because some of the regulars here like haskell
< 1334173716 440403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're still indirectly snarking at me!!!
< 1334173732 672066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're still paranoid
< 1334173747 476806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<timthelion> c_wraith: there are many legal problems with GPL.  <timthelion> the most obvious one, is the question "who has copyright?" does every single person who ever added a line of code have copyright?  That would make GPL quite the same as public domain.   Or do the various contributors have to agree upon themselves in a democratic maner on comercial use? that would make it like a worldwide democracy, since there's no rule that you cannot e
< 1334173747 652401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dit the source and fork...
< 1334173755 954582 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1334173768 498154 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334173769 437957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what what what what
< 1334173772 715440 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, i just had to confirm that i could part this channel without insulting my interrest in programming languages.
< 1334173777 966619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :head into desk repeatedly
< 1334173787 498578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: don't let the door hit you on the way out
< 1334173797 502623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: But if you have questions about anything at all just ask; it is about as relevant as anything else that goes on in this channel
< 1334173800 278887 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know you want to join #haskell and argue with that.
< 1334173803 766452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1334173804 165591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i still can't remember if you're the person who was wrong about C :(
< 1334173806 499963 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a few keystrokes away...
< 1334173807 206565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm terrible at managing my grudges
< 1334173817 188594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need a GrudgeDB
< 1334173819 229710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know that BSD is also "almost public domain"
< 1334173829 233643 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why do i need to ahve questions?
< 1334173832 725298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :massively replicated Post-SQL cloud database
< 1334173836 485165 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for keeping grudges
< 1334173844 997755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: You don't need to have questions. You can have answers instead if you prefer
< 1334173862 222365 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: An efficient implementation of elliott's GrudgeDB is (const True)
< 1334173874 807737 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just liked to talk with likeminded, on an even playing field, but it seems that theres none of that here.
< 1334173880 777493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-haskell talk today: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-11#000810Sgeo http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-11#060535shachaf http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-11#135336ais523
< 1334173898 154161 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves, letting the door hit elliott
< 1334173909 786169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-haskell talk yesterday: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-10#025713zzo38 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-10#061801 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-10#085550ion ...
< 1334173921 103032 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART #esoteric :" byes"
< 1334173929 115187 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, why are you linking to non-Haskell talk in #esoteric again?
< 1334173933 529390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-10#132328ion http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-10#144906 [...]
< 1334173937 415609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 'cuz Zuu is a moron.
< 1334174016 160795 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-98-82-8-161.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334174162 896773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only you didn't have to be Wile E. Coyote (Super Genious) to program in Haskell. Ok, that may over-state the case just a little but not much. I've been admiring the concept of Haskell for something like 7 years and keeping up on the news and have done a few basic tutorials but once we get much past the inevitable Fibonacci example I am quickly lost. I hope the epiphany will come to me, some day. Until then python will have to do. And that's a 
< 1334174163 95019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame because I work in info-sec and have some ideas for useful code that might work great in Haskell. I especially like the idea of implementing parsers and certain AI concepts in Haskell. I'll probably do them in python first and then jump to Haskell if I need the speed boost of a compiled language, if my skills ever get up to it.
< 1334174254 18901 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck learning Haskell, elliott.
< 1334174277 927741 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131428.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will never leant it, because i am not able to think in the functional way
< 1334174312 780107 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functional Way is a way few are able to master.
< 1334174336 646394 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs.
< 1334174342 484609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part of my quotes is when people think I said them because I don't use quote marks.
< 1334174377 7949 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that was pretty clearly recognizable as not you.
< 1334174394 34425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to people who know what I sound like (i.e. annoying).
< 1334174543 201002 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whic one should I use in my hobby OS: microkernel or monolithic kernel
< 1334174599 462777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about your hobby OS to answer
< 1334174615 622744 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of jsut having user mode and kernal mode, create a special semi-kernel mode.
< 1334174620 656307 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are a bit too good choices. Perhaps you could find a horrible bastardization of either one.
< 1334174690 607779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem*
< 1334174692 123750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Haskell but prefer Ibtlfmm. But tell me do you think dvi-processing is programmed in a functional style or not?
< 1334174693 964680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernels are evil.
< 1334174695 378508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is perfect.
< 1334174698 910603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all.
< 1334174711 841264 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: how would semi-kernel mode work? Would it be like rings 1 and 2 on x86-32
< 1334174727 305025 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.
< 1334174795 186846 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to learn more about what kernel mode is other than "where memory management goes".
< 1334174811 252176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am also designing the computer, it has no operating system or kernel; it does have BIOS but most of the functions don't use the BIOS they use direct access.
< 1334174835 92840 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you designing the hardware?
< 1334174851 612721 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I guess that's what you just said.
< 1334174876 413945 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: I am statring my hobby OS development from scratch because last one didn't really like multitasking
< 1334174878 37510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I design the hardware; not entirely by myself but I am doing it mostly myself.
< 1334174956 189465 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Mosh doesn't underline the space left after it deletes characters. Is that considered a bug?
< 1334174961 521921 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn what a microkernel does, and build that into the hardware.
< 1334174969 613220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Its prediction does the wrong thing in irssi sometimes.)
< 1334175010 880403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I build a microkernel into a hardware?
< 1334175044 91855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make Constant functor Alternative by defining <|> the same as <*>
< 1334175083 539477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know
< 1334175089 682093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have proposed other way to define instances for Free and Cofree
< 1334175094 800358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ask KeithW if he considers that a bug
< 1334175135 506986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #mosh scary?
< 1334175164 114937 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: microkernel does memory managment, task switching and message passing
< 1334175165 708762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much.
< 1334175176 698845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is that to me?
< 1334175183 616539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334175195 773890 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yep.
< 1334175205 361869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we have actlike:  Maybe = Free Finalize; Cont x = Codensity (Constant x); [] = Codensity Endo; Tree = Cofree []; Either x = Free (Constant x); Writer = Cofree (Constant x);  ...
< 1334175212 911322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is #mosh scary?
< 1334175228 644428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I added an icon to Wikipedia links; everyone* cried at the hideousness; I removed it.
< 1334175230 767186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RocketJSquirrel\
< 1334175233 734611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$//
< 1334175238 554000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these correct? Are there any others too?
< 1334175265 672069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats RocketJSquirrel -----###
< 1334175266 91211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1334175268 446204 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You ought to golf your regexps. s/.$//
< 1334175290 802354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> (I just need support so that oerjan doesn't accuse me of bias :P) <-- YOU ARE ALL BIASED
< 1334175303 101314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was really ugly though.
< 1334175305 926833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it back up so you can see.
< 1334175320 799899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's Free []?
< 1334175325 598783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1334175326 68629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 58m 16s ago: Hey, what's up with "cont fix"? What *is* with that term? What does it *mean*?
< 1334175326 229214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 58m 11s ago: Wait, that was meant to be @ask.
< 1334175326 229426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 1h 58m 9s ago: Hey, what's up with "cont fix"? What *is* with that term? What does it *mean*?
< 1334175331 721561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Force-reload http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ben_Rudiak-Gould to observe the ugly.
< 1334175348 56665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know what it is, but I don't know if there is any other type like that in the available libraries.
< 1334175401 314104 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm looking up those things to see if I can make it seem plausible to do them all in hardware.
< 1334175402 3029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm, i'd imagine it would be better if blue like the link, and superscripted
< 1334175420 107820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bluing it would almost certainly violate the trademark policy.
< 1334175426 534476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1334175439 800831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that's_ insane
< 1334175455 791649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly.
< 1334175524 911619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Okay, done: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ben_Rudiak-Gould
< 1334175526 854276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still ugly if you ask me :P
< 1334175533 214243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And barely looks like the WP logo any more.)
< 1334175593 244852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Free [] is the datastructure that can have a single value or list where the list elements can also have sublists and so on
< 1334175647 300446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh well.  it ought to have a similar style to the other icons...
< 1334175659 453945 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know what it is, just not another name for it or an idea of why it would be particularly interesting.
< 1334175681 374629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I don't know the other name for it either
< 1334175725 373125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This might be better: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ben_Rudiak-Gould
< 1334175729 81217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not a fan, though >_>
< 1334175741 6260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw it's a weird way to protect your trademark to make links to you look almost indistinguishable to internal links in your open source software ;P
< 1334175763 520356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does *that* have to do with trademarks?
< 1334175776 913958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-empty list = Cofree Maybe
< 1334175830 455381 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :List = Maybe :. Cofree Maybe
< 1334175856 592224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too
< 1334176017 170632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<$)
< 1334176017 331549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Functor (<$) :: Functor f => a -> f b -> f a
< 1334176017 491891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<$) :: Functor f => a -> f b -> f a
< 1334176017 492130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Functor (<$>) :: Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1334176119 79384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you use two modules at once in hugs
< 1334176131 378881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity = Free Initialize
< 1334176184 592183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identity = Cofree Finalize
< 1334176195 921025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :(
< 1334176212 454965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have to make a module importing both
< 1334176237 423848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf
< 1334176242 356464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair
< 1334176246 605649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs is shit :P
< 1334176258 631174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Semigroup> Sum 42 <> Sum 43
< 1334176258 968103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum {getSum = 85}
< 1334176259 129011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1334176279 227534 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi
< 1334176651 790421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what (Codensity []) would be, though.
< 1334176911 302542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also wtf do you see "cont fix"
< 1334176937 909579 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEB828.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1334176951 656690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh?
< 1334177031 348430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your @message
< 1334177073 935565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or @ask, whatever
< 1334177076 983535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat my previous line
< 1334177115 224595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how can i know what "cont fix" means if i don't know any context.
< 1334177128 956320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont fix
< 1334177129 662240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Cont a a
< 1334177152 301127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that
< 1334177158 845549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1334177164 896389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont
< 1334177165 852637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a r. ((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a
< 1334177171 681763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the constructor
< 1334177175 770863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo the transformer identity crap
< 1334177178 598240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> evalCont $ do { xs <- cont fix; return (():xs) }
< 1334177179 303131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `evalCont'
< 1334177184 67967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip runCont id $ do { xs <- cont fix; return (():xs) }
< 1334177185 480012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),()...
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< 1334177323 547559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also Codensity
< 1334177328 832804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix
< 1334177329 808988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a
< 1334177388 655044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm given a continuation, it applies it to the final result
< 1334177418 62545 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1334177420 708341 :Mathnerd314_!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1334177429 592895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving the final result
< 1334177481 665713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it lets you access the final result of any CPS'd computation.
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< 1334177934 831842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> There's a talk tomorrow: «Everyone interested in math is invited. Sander Kuper will be giving a talk on "Space-filling curves and the Hahn-Mazurkiewicz theorem"»
< 1334177944 53750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> Should I go?
< 1334177947 397618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1334177995 194037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan's lastn ame is Mazurkiewicz)
< 1334177996 954419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*last name
< 1334178052 944453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i recall that theorem from our work on topological measures.
< 1334178097 492898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it may not be as cool if you don't know about (and need) local connectedness.
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< 1334178527 293476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reverting my edits, unless you're me, requires broad consenus" --Wikipedia edit summary
< 1334178582 123848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<atlantan> kia ora bro im a maori <-- worst palindrome ever.
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< 1334178619 565066 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1334178625 553576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be an uptick of morons with a fondness for racial slurs in here lately.
< 1334178675 617993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<qfr> Does this channel have any actual operators? <-- occasionally.
< 1334178743 823707 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who made a racial?
< 1334178747 873709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus and greater-than have been seen here every now and then.
< 1334178758 102750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: a guy from a sunken continent
< 1334178775 449639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly georgia.
< 1334178818 181558 :oklofok!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well those georgians are all a bunch of fucking bigots
< 1334178820 652543 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, it's in 2 hours.
< 1334178851 932241 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether it works with my other scheduled appointment of the day, though.
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< 1334178904 892422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it just me, or does mosh take longer to connect than ssh?
< 1334178944 748421 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Makes sense, since there's at least one extra round-trip.
< 1334178968 874661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is time before it asks for my privkey password.
< 1334178970 830095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|           1945 | Oerjan        |
< 1334178970 990974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|           1536 | Ehird         |
< 1334178972 905832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just you wait
< 1334178991 439700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a demotivating meditation
< 1334178994 278181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That makes less sense because as far as I know all it does it run mosh-server on the server.
< 1334179015 502558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T NEED TO COMPETE WITH ELLIOTT - AUM - I DON'T NEED TO COMPETE WITH ELLIOTT
< 1334179016 345227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have a placebo. :(
< 1334179046 929210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is #mosh scary?
< 1334179080 567218 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently less scary than #haskell, since kmc is only on #mosh.
< 1334179096 400398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Is #haskell scary?
< 1334179143 909728 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rawr." -- #haskell
< 1334179163 900482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 people!
< 1334179167 74938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too many people.
< 1334179491 28539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs must have ejected billions of tons of life-bearing rock into space. Now physicists have calculated what must have happened to it. (technologyreview.com)
< 1334179501 630850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this doesn't end with "all the dinosaurs are chilling in space somewhere" I am done with science.
< 1334179526 15422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at yearcats and become uneasy because "before 1993" is last
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< 1334179540 947764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1334179565 593281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm yearcats has always been there
< 1334179568 243706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just separated it out into a template
< 1334179573 551275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally had before 1993 first
< 1334179574 885906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks weird
< 1334179650 964230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll change it
< 1334179664 640686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1334180803 131694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you don't want to remove info, better readd their email address too
< 1334180852 601954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1334180868 459249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this mess http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Hcbf&oldid=1152
< 1334180882 553009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did look at his last edit
< 1334180914 660442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Language_list&diff=prev&oldid=1122 at least they can alphabetise
< 1334180923 706329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the language list was so small back then
< 1334180959 510289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages on Wikipedia is currently more complete, although it also has a lot of rubbish, and much of the interesting stuff isn't notable enough for their standards.
< 1334180969 534084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how Esolang has allowed Wikipedia to delete their esolang-cruft guilt-free :)
< 1334181047 486147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey removed the email in the first edit after that, i see
< 1334181099 317902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you know that the inventor of lazy k and kayak also made AviSynth and Huffyuv?!?!?!
< 1334181116 78852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not before your edit, no
< 1334181119 82550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and co-wrote a paper with spj (and some other guy)?!?!?!?!
< 1334181122 613874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NOW YOU DO!!
< 1334181132 526341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1334181160 740485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcanesentiment still looks mighty dead :(
< 1334181254 448496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> My cheques are plastic and have magnetic strips on them and they're called credit cards <-- EUROBURN
< 1334181370 850269 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* Checks.
< 1334181374 730418 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck.
< 1334181396 238666 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-161.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they're falling out of use.
< 1334181424 835203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RocketJSquirrel> (But then, what DON'T we think is Jesus?) <-- homosexuals.  hth.
< 1334181454 948812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there would be exceptions.
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< 1334181502 321292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Codensity (Const x)) has callCC, and (Codensity Endo) has Foldable; but what is the general criteria for (Codensity f) to have callCC and Foldable?
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< 1334181987 664294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1, very nice question. I presume this hasn't been solved, given the addition of the bounty. I'll look at this later. – MrGomez 1 hour ago
< 1334181988 371981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1334181990 135844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets popcorn
< 1334182009 580664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1334182025 921997 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ESR, PG, or Anonymous? I forgot about that third option.
< 1334182035 449713 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1334182060 367727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The author of that comment has recently been going on an insane bounty-hunting spree on SO, and is generally really high up in the rep leagues due to that.
< 1334182071 451686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That comment is on the only Haskell question with a bounty right now.
< 1334182076 922866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN AND EXCITEMENT FOR THE TERMINALLY BORED
< 1334182089 993382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to clone a list in Haskell? I can't find any documentation on this or anything on SO. If there isn't can someone suggest a simple implementation on how to do so?
< 1334182116 133088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey what about script kiddies
< 1334182118 945815 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TERMINALLY BOLD?
< 1334182146 71747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OCD if you can’t help adding the terminating \x02 to the end of the line?
< 1334182167 965810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: no, that's CDO
< 1334182175 206858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell values are immutable, so there's no need to clone a list; since you can't change it in the first place, you can just reuse the original list. In Haskell, "modifying" a list is just transforming it into a new list; the original list is never changed.
< 1334182175 382703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, thanks very much. – gonzoc0ding 4 secs ago
< 1334182181 407140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I doubt I resolved the underlying confusion.
< 1334182188 833020 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map id
< 1334182195 188751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've just said map id
< 1334182213 792115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ghc have a rule for map id = id
< 1334182227 702562 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map snd . zip [1..]
< 1334182248 614029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the easiest 40 rep I've ever made.
< 1334182310 157886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(The rerunning of transactions that is done by the STM runtime is transparent and should not effect the outcome of any computation.)"
< 1334182320 220673 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the whole point of it to EFFECT the outcome??!?!
< 1334182362 112647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that means that the effect is the same as if it had been run only the last time
< 1334182379 425305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know what the intended meaning was.
< 1334182382 155912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since obviously the order of transactions can matter
< 1334182392 141920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shachaf is making a pedantic e/a point.
< 1334182403 58837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah
< 1334182421 141372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Excuse me. I was *parodying* people who make pedantic e/a points.
< 1334182421 891288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to great affect
< 1334182473 303140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The day when the internet realises that ironically being something is the same as being that thing, ... uh, it'll probably shut down.
< 1334182516 990539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ironically swats elliott -----###
< 1334182609 296278 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do realize that. I was just ironically pretending I wasn't.
< 1334182637 756509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You ought to kick me for being a pedant.
< 1334182731 304891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah
< 1334182784 362098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(User creation log); 21:58 . . Sato (Talk | contribs | block)‎ New user account
< 1334182788 634893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now for the suspense
< 1334182901 782751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspense? anyone?
< 1334182968 215667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspends a broccoli from the ceiling
< 1334182981 704141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a _very_ thin thread
< 1334183047 262640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: *underscores, phillistine. <-- *philistine
< 1334183092 530389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1334183094 295748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm British.
< 1334183096 63756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We like double ls.
< 1334183097 470892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See:
< 1334183098 2389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--
< 1334183117 209378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not convinced that's an option for that word
< 1334183138 146158 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you count T. S. Eliot as British?
< 1334183265 22306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1334183269 81621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a traitor.
< 1334183316 495897 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traitor of what?
< 1334183349 449968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brit.
< 1334184067 49215 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1334184081 896939 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of tool signs his emails with "Sent from my Virtual Machine"?
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< 1334184097 502393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually anyone could do that
< 1334184118 861875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sig starting "Sent from my *" is a take-off of "Sent from my iPhone"
< 1334184170 773910 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... why would anyone CARE that he's using a VM?
< 1334184177 868778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "sent from my iPhone" added by some common iPhone app? or something in the default install?
< 1334184189 952303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to dislike the word "app" even though it's the only correct one in that context
< 1334184218 157233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the default mail client adds it
< 1334184219 320424 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's sent by the default mail application.
< 1334184222 221778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody
< 1334184232 191237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyone who uses sigs like that is just trying to mock people who sent emails ending "Sent from my iPhone"
< 1334184249 127964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like "Sent from my ThinkPad" "Sent from my REAL COMPUTER" "Sent from MY ANUS HUR HUR"
< 1334184269 97952 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if my professor's capable of that
< 1334184295 577179 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of "Sent from my iPhone" is "that's why the spelling and grammar is shit"
< 1334184298 789755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could use the X-Mailer header if you want to know the program that sends it, I think. You could also see which computer it is from if you needed that too; that is also specified in headers
< 1334184301 455170 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course it's advertising for apple
< 1334184307 892984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody reads headers zzo38
< 1334184320 101267 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, mail servers and clients do!
< 1334184342 463604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen people with sigs that apologize for brevity without promoting a particular brand of phone/tablet
< 1334184356 75094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaining about 'sent from my iphone" is just zzzzz
< 1334184368 365642 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I would like to point out that "Sent from my iPhone" is 5 syllables and could be the last line of a haiku
< 1334184376 954509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nobody who does that complains about hotmail and yahoo advertising themselves in signatures
< 1334184387 566419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When at FreeGeek I use the UNIX 'mail' command and I think it displays all the headers; it sends the "X-Mailer" header too
< 1334184419 186018 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent from my Android/Sent from my Linux machine/Sent from my iPhone
< 1334184471 27864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I complain about hotmail advertising itself in sigs; Yahoo doesn't, as far as I know
< 1334184472 828488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't add those kind of signature (or any at all); I just tell them not to send HTML email message to me and that works
< 1334184504 347513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then you're annoying
< 1334184505 583625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, Bucky and I both send to Agora through Yahoo!, and it doesn't add advertising on either of ours messages
< 1334184510 475423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by "complain about"
< 1334184514 534519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to the people who send emails from hotmail
< 1334184520 184965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, only to the extent that I don't use hotmail because of that (and for a few other people)
< 1334184530 148044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it depend whether you use the webpage or SMTP?
< 1334184541 996249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /do/ complain about Hotmail refusing to accept messages from Yahoo Groups, though, because that's ridiculous
< 1334184696 775840 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott thinks kmc is psychic
< 1334184711 708011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks kmc is psychic
< 1334184715 765863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA YOU QUOTED MY MESSAGE BEFORE IT EVEN???
< 1334184859 23067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently if you are psychic the quantum random number generators in your vicinity become slightly biased (not only in the present, but even in the past and in a different location too!); but I don't really know for sure
< 1334184973 90687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard PIC doesn't do much for security.
< 1334184974 849392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I lied to? :(
< 1334185004 482137 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... PIC as in Position Independent Code ... ?
< 1334185016 458100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you hear this?
< 1334185034 487727 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it substantially frustrates return-to-libfoo / return-oriented-programming attacks
< 1334185035 761926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now that I think of it, probably suckless propaganda. :)
< 1334185054 646668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was this: http://benpfaff.org/papers/asrandom.pdf
< 1334185057 678615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's significantly worse on Windows, where the randomized load address is chosen once per exe at boot
< 1334185124 367568 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think this exploits the fact that Apache is a forking server
< 1334185138 577300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get many tries on the same memory layout
< 1334185143 232050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "return-oriented-programming attacks"?
< 1334185145 852124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glancing at that paper, I didn't actually read it.
< 1334185172 233957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, cseweb.ucsd.edu/~hovav/papers/s07.html
< 1334185179 554236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/inevitable-interpreter.html.
< 1334185191 369594 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What protocol? :-(
< 1334185208 61924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resists making snarky Debian security remark.
< 1334185228 192748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I avoid being a horrible, annoying troll in other channels by simply being a horrible, annoying troll all the time in #esoteric.
< 1334185232 972229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "return-oriented-programming attacks"?
< 1334185253 353957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cseweb.ucsd.edu/~hovav/papers/s07.html
< 1334185258 827506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh hey that's the paper the blog post mentions
< 1334185261 823649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/inevitable-interpreter.html
< 1334185281 581601 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, what protocol which?
< 1334185593 892551 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i've only skimmed the paper too, but it seems far short of showing that ASLR is useless
< 1334185605 662843 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any countermeasure will have counter-countermeasures
< 1334185621 738690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think that's what I read that convinced me of that.
< 1334185625 337409 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main attack presented in the paper seems only relevant to forking servers on 32-bit
< 1334185640 869073 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although 64-bit machines are now beginning to be more widely deployed, 32-bit machines are likely to remain the most widely deployed machines in the short and medium term."
< 1334185648 686863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004
< 1334185652 875924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :times change, I guess :)
< 1334185653 830445 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> zzo38, cseweb.ucsd.edu/~hovav/papers/s07.html
< 1334185673 166088 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, you definitely don't have two 32-bit machines in your pockets.
< 1334185698 896220 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ion
< 1334185712 649571 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, or am I just happy to see you?
< 1334185734 241530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping nobody would do that.
< 1334185734 694967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not running Apache or Oracle DB on my phone
< 1334185740 769271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't?!
< 1334185744 736462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you raise a good point but it's not what the paper meant :)
< 1334185801 273370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know anything about DDC?
< 1334185806 309003 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1334185817 72739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some fans in #haskell{,-blah}
< 1334185836 878163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not kmc.
< 1334185850 847887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1334185857 821837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you value my singular opinion
< 1334185881 352019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for info more than opinions.
< 1334185911 226841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss 19,811
< 1334185918 679293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unstoppable
< 1334185979 651691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a vulnerability in some program, you should just fix it.
< 1334186004 490127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> i don't think the authors have been dead 50 years
< 1334186015 91453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C'mon, it's not that difficult in most jurisdictions, is it?
< 1334186103 602485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make something public domain?
< 1334186106 228538 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't honestly know
< 1334186113 262453 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the controversial about he responsibility of the authors of open source/free software is an old unfishished story
< 1334186114 413104 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are jurisdictions where copyright is a moral right you can't waive
< 1334186136 362367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you give a completely permissive license, you still have the copyright
< 1334186147 64111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I'm pretty sure e.g. the US and ~most of Europe let you release it
< 1334186148 214972 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how they handle work-for-hire; perhaps there are exceptions for an established employment relationship)
< 1334186155 172364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't know
< 1334186161 5145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it became possible in Germany once they changed things so that the GPL worked
< 1334186359 159077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1334186359 372527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 12 00:19:48
< 1334186434 881148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNARKY REMARK ABOUT ALL PROBLEMS BEING CAUSED BY C++ AND AUTOTOOLS
< 1334186514 477145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1334186531 213777 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/keithw/mosh/issues/113
< 1334186540 651256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that.
< 1334186552 129272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least sincere "Thanks for your feedback!" ever.
< 1334186561 511440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, our boost dep *is* ridiculous
< 1334186573 822710 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your distro will pull in 100 MB of binaries just so we can use a few headers and not link anything
< 1334186582 38776 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are working on that
< 1334186596 228096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like C++. :(
< 1334186602 248783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334186630 746953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy
< 1334186632 336324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgive yo
< 1334186632 864829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u
< 1334186633 928438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for giving in
< 1334186671 765509 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was with that guy
< 1334186689 807398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we seem to be attracting a lot of racist morons lately i said???
< 1334186690 866849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird
< 1334186692 277739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a lot i mean 2
< 1334186693 512105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a lot
< 1334186704 213028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make it, the other one, all programs are loaded at 0x80000000, it is single-tasking, the BIOS can only be accessed by NMI, and there is a small amount of RAM private for use of the BIOS for such things as debugging and error emulation. If there is buffer overflows possible in your program, you should fix it, instead of relying on the operating system to fix it for you.
< 1334186772 820517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No virus can hijack the system because all programs are self-contained.
< 1334186853 66138 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1334186924 453696 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean the hardware part oft it zzo38?
< 1334186940 474217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should consider using zzo38's system instead
< 1334186944 210207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more secure than pic
< 1334186975 606148 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334187009 726061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually it is only more secure if the software itself is designed to be secure against buffer overflows!
< 1334187023 657076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh is secure, right?!
< 1334187026 327500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That is done by both the hardware and the software
< 1334187051 468405 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what with smashing the stack?
< 1334187057 177682 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you crash your car you should not do that, instead of relying on seatbelts and airbags
< 1334187095 98671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Do you mean for my system?
< 1334187112 179277 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question..what system are we talking about?
< 1334187125 629258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes; even if you have seatbelts and airbags you still shouldn't crash your car
< 1334187137 523333 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with you zzo38
< 1334187139 75274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you are a crash test dummy)
< 1334187146 805781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet I still feel better riding in a car with these things than one without
< 1334187160 362544 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the same with -fPIC and such
< 1334187167 822749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i point out
< 1334187171 218120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that none of these issues exist with @
< 1334187173 372679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel better riding in a car with seatbelts; for airbags I don't care
< 1334187178 155150 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously we hope Mosh has no buffer overflows, and have put and will continue to put much effort towards this goal
< 1334187183 643813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe you
< 1334187184 459130 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet we may fail
< 1334187195 689806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thank you, you are the first person to believe any claim I've made about @
< 1334187221 218207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if @ doesn't exist then that is a vacuous statement
< 1334187226 96216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1334187249 410653 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all van-neuman machines store the data and the controlling load in physically the same memory (other then harvard arch. e.g.) which makes it vulnerable for all times
< 1334187251 875992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I am sure you would fix it if you did make it
< 1334187266 435202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1334187285 608071 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we would also be happier if in the meantime it's harder to exploit
< 1334187297 644068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meantime can of course include times when we are not aware of the bug
< 1334187304 297543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to port mosh to @?
< 1334187311 706798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be useful for interfacing to those ugly legacy systems.
< 1334187313 192849 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also people who are still running the old software even after we've published a fix
< 1334187316 986116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what stack-smashing exploit are you refering to specifically? If so, then I can tell you what it is in my system
< 1334187331 425534 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course, as soon as you send me a pre-release developer edition of @
< 1334187350 189692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Okay. Remind me in ten years.
< 1334187390 77419 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1334187391 338152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when your design depends on solutions to several open problems :(
< 1334187395 155801 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up google calendar
< 1334187404 720182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo! Don't. I'll be 26 in ten years.
< 1334187411 644211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to *think* about being 26. That's practically dead.
< 1334187425 726839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, for real?
< 1334187438 644641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dead for real. :(
< 1334187444 21252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're actually 16 years old?
< 1334187451 531440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes.
< 1334187453 243206 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f063.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1334187463 746055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: What? You've been here for years!
< 1334187475 585547 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't believe you
< 1334187479 417793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know if you found any hole in my idea!
< 1334187486 404612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, all I do is lie.
< 1334187488 355858 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm probably just committing the fallacy of assuming everyone on the internet is like me
< 1334187493 83612 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is closer to 26 than to 16
< 1334187499 382457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is almost dead
< 1334187508 573836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's okay, I'll come to your funeral.
< 1334187510 618319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1334187543 234555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you come to my funeral I will sue you
< 1334187549 537573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1334187559 17884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Including "It's true, all I do is lie."?
< 1334187596 196014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1334187608 351284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: "I've been fiddling with mosh in the lab here and I'm really impressed. I need to read up on your underlying protocol a bit, but right now I'm no longer as motivated to finish fixing tcp."
< 1334187613 645771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're demotivating the bufferbloat guy!
< 1334187615 783459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including ":("?
< 1334187631 708644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don't sue me :(
< 1334187642 550702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw
< 1334187643 777726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK
< 1334187653 424026 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should bloat some more buffers
< 1334187655 472751 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make up for it
< 1334187882 444025 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1334187989 688709 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is closer to 16 than to 26!
< 1334188010 76427 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's even without annoying the factorial pedantry you (you know who you are) were about to say.
< 1334188037 410133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to improve this program, including to draw additional shapes and pie charts and so on?   http://sprunge.us/MKDJ
< 1334188574 986374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can mosh solve the problem whereby a single crappy X program can freeze my entire computer?
< 1334188577 458405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx
< 1334188587 577726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wasn't going to say anything.
< 1334188611 848490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what?
< 1334188622 544748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About factorial, I guess
< 1334188627 535450 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1334188633 203740 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you weren't going to say anything, then clearly I wasn't talking to you.
< 1334188695 764767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool Hacker Titles for Your Business Card (beza1e1.tuxen.de)
< 1334188707 598673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PG Hacker" and "ESR Hacker", right kmc?
< 1334188722 890110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "PG Hacker" and "ESR Hacker"?