00:08:10 :( there's no Shockwave player for Linux :( 00:08:17 correct 00:08:29 :'( 00:08:31 A tragic loss. 00:10:17 what is /proc/self/maps telling me? 00:10:44 elliott__: Why shouldn't it? 00:11:29 aha... "/proc/PID/maps, the memory map showing which addresses currently visible to that process are mapped to which regions in RAM or to files." 00:13:19 elliott__, I want to play iSketch 00:14:07 ok 00:14:23 shachaf: Because vim is written in C. C isn't homoiconic! 00:15:50 What does homoiconic mean? 00:17:07 When an icon and an icon love each other very much... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity 00:19:25 Let's see if I can get Shockwave on WINE 00:21:17 do sites even use it anymore? 00:21:32 I occasionally see it 00:22:03 monqy: are you sure that's shockwave, not flas 00:22:03 h 00:22:09 yes 00:22:35 well 00:22:37 maybe it's silverlight? 00:23:54 silverwave 00:23:55 Why does WINE cause my mouse to stop clicking? 00:23:56 shocklight 00:27:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:27:09 "He maintains that his poetry portrays visually the drift and swirl of the things themselves and the interconnected chiaroscuro of shadowy essence and shimmering everydayness.[10]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_W._Robertson 00:30:08 According to XScreenSaver, something already grabbed the pointer 00:30:19 How do I find it and kill it? 00:30:42 by killing everything 00:30:55 * elliott__ doesn't know, but bets there's no way to 00:31:03 have you tried restarting your computer 00:31:29 But I don't want to 00:31:41 Fine, I will 00:33:00 http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pageviews/2012/04/springfield-oregon-matt-groening-announces-location-of-%E2%80%9Cthe-simpsons%E2%80%9D 00:33:00 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:33:01 whoa 00:33:06 like... whoa 00:34:02 does that mean they're going to stop making the simpsons (please say yes) 00:34:23 Here’s to another 25 years in Springfield, Oregon. 00:34:47 oh no 00:34:50 ;__; 00:35:14 -!- cheater_ has joined. 00:35:17 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:35:31 is your problem fixed 00:37:50 elliott__: It's the POWER OF UNIX. 00:39:37 monqy, yes, but not as comfortably as if I didn't have to turn it off and on again. 00:39:52 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:42:46 -!- ion has joined. 00:57:48 -!- MDude has joined. 00:57:49 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 00:59:59 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:03:05 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:04:27 -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined. 01:07:01 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:07:03 -!- Mathnerd314__ has joined. 01:07:06 -!- Mathnerd314__ has changed nick to Mathnerd314. 01:09:08 -!- augur has joined. 01:09:38 -!- Mathnerd314_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:16:48 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:22:41 elliott__: But it uses W->(a,W), therefore it's by definition bad! 01:32:05 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:42:58 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:46:24 -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined. 01:47:46 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:47:59 -!- Mathnerd314_ has changed nick to Mathnerd314. 01:48:27 -!- ion has joined. 01:56:14 -!- elliott__ has changed nick to elliott_. 01:56:16 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 01:59:52 "Is [@] good?" -- elliott 02:08:01 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:08:58 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 02:13:55 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:15:55 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 02:33:18 "If the time difference from home and the lab are different by like 10 seconds, does that mean my program for some reason runs differently at home?" 02:34:44 Wow. 02:35:06 I can only deal with so much stupidity in my day to day life. 02:35:14 Then I have to stop. And just admire it. Like an art form. 02:38:59 hi monqy 02:39:06 monqy: no! 02:39:20 I almost didn't notice 02:39:25 thanks for the warning 02:40:12 :-( 02:47:09 -!- PatashuXantheres has joined. 02:48:24 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:51:35 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: brb). 02:58:26 huh 02:58:34 i don't understand the context of that question enough to say whether it's stupid 03:03:05 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 03:33:45 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:35:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgKX2uVRy0 ah nostalgia 03:36:21 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:46:19 -!- MoALTz has joined. 03:50:13 monqy: Hello, sir. 03:50:24 shachaf: not even in here, either 03:50:29 Huh? 03:50:37 I just said "Hello, sir."! 03:50:50 is this a new trick 03:50:55 No trick, monqy. 03:51:02 This is real life. 03:51:24 Are you going to say hello? 03:51:49 hello 03:51:57 Yay! 03:52:20 monqy: You should come visit. 03:52:34 where? silly valley? 03:52:52 Yes. 03:53:05 but that's over there and I'm over here 03:53:24 Oh. 03:53:31 You should come over there. 03:54:49 I don't travel much 04:13:32 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:15:54 monqy: travel to 04:16:37 hi elliott 04:16:45 `welcome monqy 04:16:52 monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 04:16:57 `WELCOME MONQY 04:17:04 MONQY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE 04:22:04 -!- Case1 has joined. 04:54:02 hello im back from being away (not here) 05:02:27 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 05:05:41 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 05:12:52 If you cannot believe six impossible things then you cannot have good imagination 05:13:56 -!- PatashuXantheres has changed nick to Patashu. 05:14:04 :( 05:24:04 -!- Case1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:24:26 -!- Case1 has joined. 05:24:30 @tell elliott Try the parameter-for-each-method style of unsafeCoerce dictionary-passing. 05:24:30 You can tell yourself! 05:24:34 Oh come on. 05:24:36 -!- elliott has changed nick to elliott_. 05:24:38 @tell elliott Try the parameter-for-each-method style of unsafeCoerce dictionary-passing. 05:24:38 Consider it noted. 05:25:29 zzo38, what if I believe I have written a program to determine whether an arbitrary Turing machine halts or not, and that my program always halts and gives the correct answer. 05:25:55 that's only one impossible thing sorry!!! 05:26:26 What if I believe I'm smarter than elliott_? 05:26:31 Does that count as impossible? 05:30:03 -!- elliott_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:30:57 * shachaf is back. 05:30:58 hi monqy 05:32:05 heloo 05:44:04 Sgeo: I suppose it does count as impossible, but it isn't what I meant. 05:44:20 (I mean the program to solve the halting problem, not whether you are smarter than elliott_) 05:44:48 (I meant that is what counts as impossible; not that is what I meant by the original statement!) 05:48:13 -!- Case1 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:05:35 kmc: Thanks to http://acm.wustl.edu/functional/haskell.php , I now know the steps to learning Haskell! Syntax, Commonly Used Functions & Basic Programming Techniques, Laziness, Types, Monads, I/O, Advanced Stuff and Further Reading 06:06:57 http://blog.masterbranch.com/post/20813500731/open-source-projects-ranked-by-awesomeness 06:07:21 finally someone has made an awesome ranking of awesome kick-ass hacker awesomeness 06:07:50 Wow, someone has figured out at last that awesomeness is the criterion to rank projects by. 06:08:05 It's about time. 06:08:37 it's only natural that the top 10 projects are 7 ruby libraries, jquery-mobile, and a package manager for OS X 06:08:40 I had the idea ages ago but I'm glad someone else figured it out. 06:08:53 these are the most awesome kick-ass hacker projects of awesomeness 06:09:05 linux and gcc just aren't awesome 06:09:28 Apparently the awesomeness of a project is calculated from the awesomeness of its developers. 06:09:33 you can tell they're not awesome because the developers don't sound like retarded children 06:10:04 And the awesomeness of a developer is calculated from the awesomeness of other people who Like and Follow them. 06:10:14 Clearly rails is the awesomest thing. 06:10:27 pikhq: Not as much as docrails! 06:10:33 shachaf, did you see the several people on HN who were congratulating themselves (in apparent seriousness) that their hipster startup web-design aesthetic had rubbed off on the tragically un-stylish academics who developed Mosh? 06:10:44 Rails is so awesome its documentation is twice-awesome. 06:11:42 kmc: Well, it says "Make it look like a fake startup company" right on the front page. 06:11:54 yeah I think the joke went over a few heads :) 06:13:46 i think Keith is correct that "awesome" is a term of art in the Ruby / web community 06:13:49 There's a talk tomorrow: «Everyone interested in math is invited. Sander Kuper will be giving a talk on "Space-filling curves and the Hahn-Mazurkiewicz theorem"» 06:14:02 Should I go? 06:14:21 but I don't know what it means 06:14:24 for all I know these 7 ruby libraries really are the most awesome software 06:16:00 linux might be useful software but it's certainly not Awesome 06:16:06 i mean, it's below the drupal layer 06:16:09 who even needs to think about that 06:16:36 shachaf, I don't know enough topology to appreciate the statement of the Hahn-Mazurkiewicz theorem :/ 06:16:43 kmc: Just looked for the comment you mentioned and found http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3821776 , for what it's wroth. 06:16:45 much less its proof or implicatios 06:17:05 Nor do I. 06:17:13 we did list IO::Pty somewhere 06:17:18 but not on mosh.mit.edu 06:17:43 i also like that "a github page with somebody's vim configuration" is more Awesome than vim 06:17:57 i mean it's really obvious how 06:18:07 vim isn't written in Ruby, but this config might be a config for writing Ruby 06:19:16 every time I read hacker news it makes me embarrassed about the fact that someone might apply the "hacker" label to me 06:20:39 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:20:42 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 06:20:52 You'd rather have http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html applied to you? 06:21:09 There should be an Internet "What Kind of Hacker Are You" quiz. 06:21:19 Are you more of an "ESR Hacker" or a "PG Hacker"? 06:21:26 It's an important question. 06:21:32 You gotta know. 06:21:44 i tend to rage against them as more or less interchangeable groups 06:21:46 maybe this is inaccurate 06:22:08 ESR writes crap code and is obsessed with dick-measuring and self-promotion 06:22:21 that trait seems to be shared with the HN crowd 06:23:21 i think the hacker mythos that PG advances for business reasons is the same one ESR advances for whatever reason he has 06:24:15 both camps are obsessed with drawing a line between Us and Them 06:24:58 and PG will try to convince you that the only way to prove you're one of Us is to work for PG for under minimum wage for a summer 06:28:45 http://www.sh4un.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/broadcastip.gif 06:30:46 Apparently https://github.com/rubyspec/rubyspec is a spec? 06:31:11 an awesome spec 06:31:36 I thought specs were supposed to be more general than unit tests. 06:32:16 obviously you aren't an awesome kick-ass hacker 06:32:26 afaict, a spec is what you get when you run unit tests and format the output in a particular way 06:32:53 kmc: How do I become one. :-( 06:32:53 well, maybe not "unit" tests, but a bunch of tests 06:33:34 it looks like the tests are annotated with text which together forms more of a conventional language spec 06:33:51 it's like a language spec with examples built in, and a way to check all the examples against your implementation 06:34:09 is this use of the word "spec" also a Ruby term of art? 06:34:10 That's reasonable. 06:34:23 Though I wouldn't call it an "executable spec". 06:34:46 Apparently it is: http://rspec.info/ 06:36:15 -!- zzo38 has left. 06:36:29 you're just splitting hairs because you aren't awesome enough 06:38:43 -!- Case1 has joined. 06:46:26 kmc: BayHac is next weekend! 06:46:29 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)). 06:46:31 You should come. 06:47:08 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:48:35 -!- rodgort has joined. 07:00:02 -!- aloril has joined. 07:00:41 -!- TodPunk has joined. 07:32:10 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:33:21 -!- Case1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:41:31 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:42:09 kmc: Hmm, maybe you don't need to decode the instruction. 07:42:12 Just look at the state of the page before and after. 07:42:14 That would be even worse efficiency-wise, of course. :-) 07:43:39 Er, except for reads. 07:47:16 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:08:30 -!- Ngevd has joined. 08:08:32 Hello! 08:08:53 helo 08:12:48 kmc: Apparently libgpm handles xterm events too. 08:13:18 But gpm the mouse server doesn't handle xterm escape codes. 08:15:48 -!- atlantan has joined. 08:16:19 esoteric programming awesome 08:16:27 anyone awake? 08:16:33 man i need some more coffee 08:16:51 nobody awake 08:20:20 We're all asleep 08:20:27 im an anchovi 08:22:01 What's your favourite esoteric programming language? 08:22:10 rubyonrails 08:23:57 Ngevd you? 08:23:59 I prefer brainfuckonballones 08:24:06 *balloons 08:24:08 syllables in matrices 08:24:14 fillable balloons i assume 08:24:23 not the type that let air out 08:24:29 Hot air balloons 08:24:32 thats wanksta 08:25:58 my balones are cold air only please 08:26:47 hot air makes them uncomfortable, and uncomfortable balonnes means uncomfortable monqy 08:27:18 you cant have monqy unless you're uncomfortable yourself 08:27:48 niggas please 08:27:54 dont be a hater 08:28:09 okay ! 08:28:26 hot air balloons do manage comfortably 08:28:39 seven times seven equals eight 08:28:59 maybe it is comfortably for you, but have you considered the balonnes? 08:29:31 the balonnes dont belong here 08:29:44 white air does ride 08:29:44 balones always belong, i am afraid and sorry both 08:29:52 hi monqy 08:29:58 shachaf: welcome to conversation 08:30:01 riding air bubbles belongs in the train station 08:30:05 `welcome shachaf 08:30:12 shachaf waddup 08:30:19 hi atlantan 08:30:20 hi 08:30:43 heyheyheyh 08:30:57 it's an academic anomaly in space time travel 08:31:02 shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 08:31:12 thanks HackEgo 08:31:14 good greeting 08:31:22 i think ive found my place 08:31:28 early days though 08:31:35 monqy: Remember when you used to say hi? 08:31:38 Those were the days. 08:32:04 i remember how to say hi 08:32:07 I'll relive the experience tonight, hi 08:32:11 this guy is just 08:32:11 its freakish 08:32:12 so much hi 08:32:13 i can't resist 08:32:15 atlantan: hi 08:32:17 hi 08:32:23 hi bri 08:32:51 today was a bad day to try kicking that habit 08:32:56 because tonight it is a party 08:32:57 a hi party 08:33:00 hi 08:33:00 hi monqy 08:33:08 hi shachaf 08:33:19 You can kick the habit another day. 08:34:21 you guys have got an escapism plague going 08:34:40 monqy: write a poem monqy 08:34:41 you guys have to wikn 08:34:43 win* 08:34:44 hi 08:34:52 hi atlantan 08:34:52 hi 08:35:06 I'm too tired for poetry 08:35:07 hi 08:35:09 - a poem 08:35:11 hihi 08:35:19 maybe I should sleep 08:35:26 do you smoke? 08:35:31 no 08:35:37 i'm going to have a smoke 08:35:38 monqy has other addictions 08:35:42 maybe if shachaf suggests it to him he will 08:35:43 ahyep 08:35:56 :P 08:38:14 monqy: if the hi's haunt you.. you can give them up again soon 08:38:27 Giving up hi is easy. I've done it hundreds of time. 08:38:32 hello budgy cantella max rules per porridge 08:38:36 polpol 08:39:00 what if I'm hooked on hi 08:39:01 forever 08:39:01 for life 08:39:06 what if i never escape 08:39:19 Is that so bad? 08:39:34 Many people lead a normal life even with hi 08:39:52 monqy: it's not true.. they are secretly haunted by the hi 08:40:02 I feel better now 08:40:03 about hi 08:40:04 about myself 08:40:56 thanks everyone 08:40:57 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:41:03 hi is a sky equation and it roots itself in humanity 08:41:17 we are all scared 08:41:30 satanic little puppet 08:47:01 i feel sorry now 08:47:06 litle man 08:47:18 subjectivist microbes do relay interference 08:49:33 sir, it appears you have a thought disorder 08:50:01 my eardrums do connect 08:50:13 dearest elf 08:50:13 -!- Ngevd has quit. 08:50:31 esoterica monstrosita 08:50:34 lol 08:50:45 -!- itidus20 has left ("Leaving"). 08:50:50 im a good cunt man dont be a bitch 08:52:20 esoterica mon letterman 08:52:28 letterman can be assumed 08:52:29 lol 08:52:47 kia ora bro im a maori 08:53:45 -!- atlantan has left. 08:55:55 -!- atlantan has joined. 08:57:24 rambangmachanchan 08:57:40 i soterica me twept 09:01:09 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:03:05 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:18:33 nohat me glocgloc 09:19:09 Does this channel have any actual operators? 09:19:17 Who just lurk without @ 09:19:18 aslaskian me chopchop 09:19:23 Waiting to pounce? 09:20:12 the tiger awaits 09:20:27 i wonder if theres anyone here who wants to talk 09:21:48 You have the ability to make people not want to talk 09:21:58 i have a power 09:22:14 It might be related to your average sentence reading like it's straight out of Finnegan's Wake 09:22:42 my hat does turn backwards occasionally 09:23:12 sidely i am allowed 09:24:00 i like the sound of that book 09:24:07 You would love it 09:24:12 It's just like you 09:24:17 haha 09:24:24 peace and provenance 09:24:48 are dragons claws allowed in here? 09:24:58 im here to stay 09:25:45 laymans terms 09:25:51 i'm a fag and i need to sleep 09:26:32 leekleek 09:26:39 Homosexuals are welcome 09:26:41 Dragons are not 09:26:43 Sorry mate 09:26:47 ah 09:26:49 lucky im a homo 09:27:40 sorry mate but you braze too many waters 09:33:50 are there any other esoterica chats you could recommend 09:41:47 kmc: Oh, did you know that in addition to \e[? 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I have learned this by careful measurement, since the actual relationship is unspecified. And it's true for all values of velocity and expression. EXCEPT when the expression changes too fast, then it seems to just make up shit. 14:07:40 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:40:41 -!- Ngevd has joined. 14:41:18 Hello! 14:45:05 -!- Ngevd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:47:09 -!- Ngevd has joined. 14:56:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:59:38 -!- Case1 has joined. 14:59:55 -!- MoALTz has joined. 15:08:44 -!- GhostHand has joined. 15:08:55 i'm comming 15:10:51 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:11:20 -!- Ngevd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:11:23 -!- Taneb has changed nick to Ngevd. 15:12:20 -!- Ngevd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:23:05 -!- GhostHand has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:28:04 wow, I've found a website that mostly works fine without JS, except that it has a