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00:01:50 <nortti> `? c
00:01:53 <HackEgo> C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
00:03:49 <olsner> `? wisdom
00:04:06 <HackEgo> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry
00:09:23 <olsner> `? olsner
00:09:27 <HackEgo> olsner? ¯\(°_o)/¯
00:12:24 <oerjan> `? haskell
00:12:27 <HackEgo> Haskell is preferred by 9 out of 10 esoteric programmers. Ask your GP today! http://learnyouahaskell.com/
00:12:48 <oerjan> `run echo 'No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)' > wisdom/haskell
00:12:51 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo 'No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)' > wisdom/haskell'
00:12:56 <oerjan> shocking
00:13:51 <oerjan> `run echo "No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \\ arising from a use of `wisdom' \\ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \\ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)" > wisdom/haskell
00:13:53 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
00:14:03 <oerjan> `run echo "No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \\ arising from a use of \`wisdom' \\ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \\ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)" > wisdom/haskell
00:14:06 <HackEgo> No output.
00:14:11 <oerjan> `? haskel
00:14:14 <oerjan> `? haskell
00:14:14 <HackEgo> haskel? ¯\(°_o)/¯
00:14:17 <HackEgo> No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)
00:15:08 <elliott> > ?haskell
00:15:09 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered!
00:15:10 <lambdabot> (GHC version 6.12.3 f...
00:15:13 <elliott> ...
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00:16:39 <elliott> :t ?haskell
00:16:40 <lambdabot> forall t. (?haskell::t) => t
00:17:01 <oerjan> > ?x
00:17:02 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered!
00:17:02 <lambdabot> (GHC version 6.12.3 f...
00:17:27 <elliott> `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell
00:17:30 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
00:17:38 <elliott> `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \\ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell
00:17:41 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
00:17:44 <elliott> hmph
00:17:46 <elliott> oh because of the `
00:17:50 <elliott> `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \\ arising from a use of implicit parameter \`?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell
00:17:53 <HackEgo> No output.
00:17:56 <elliott> `? haskell
00:17:59 <HackEgo> Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'
00:20:29 <elliott> oerjan: ps i see you've been fully indoctrinated into the reflection school of thought
00:21:34 <oerjan> ...that, or i was trying to make the error message particularly ridiculous...
00:22:20 <elliott> oerjan: Suuure.
00:22:24 <oerjan> obviously someone of skill could make that much worse
00:22:30 <elliott> oerjan: Have I mentioned we need special syntax for proxen?
00:22:40 <oerjan> aha?
00:22:55 <elliott> Well, writing reflect (Proxy :: Proxy p) all over the place is really awful.
00:23:01 <elliott> It'd be nice if we could just write reflect ~p or such.
00:23:09 <elliott> So ~t --> (Proxy :: Proxy t).
00:23:42 <zzo38> I think that is the problem of the lack of good macros in Haskell in general
00:25:04 <oerjan> elliott: hm this could obviously be improved if we had the :: sections i've been thinking of before
00:25:26 <oerjan> then you could let reflect (:: p)
00:25:28 <oerjan> er
00:25:31 <oerjan> *write
00:26:19 <oerjan> since (:: p) = (\x -> x :: p) which has type (p ->) p, that would be of the required form
00:27:01 <elliott> oerjan: cute!
00:27:11 <elliott> oerjan: best of all, it would even be a correct type signature for the entire thing
00:27:14 <elliott> i.e. reflect (:: p) :: p
00:27:45 <oerjan> heh
00:28:34 <elliott> Does anyone know a good graphical side-by-side comparison/diff tool?
00:28:36 <elliott> pikhq?
00:28:39 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel?
00:28:50 <olsner> gvimdiff
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00:30:05 <elliott> vimdiff uses some pretty unreadable background colours here...
00:30:29 <RocketJSquirrel> I suspect that's why he said "gvimdiff"
00:30:40 <RocketJSquirrel> Still, I only use 'diff', because I'm not some kind of wuss.
00:31:45 <elliott> Hey, what's the standard off-white foreground colour used in xterm?
00:34:36 <elliott> What does it mean if every few letters I type, my cursor switches from insert to override mode and back????
00:36:39 <oerjan> elliott: btw (reflect x :: p) would also be shorter, for whatever x = undefined you choose
00:36:58 <elliott> oerjan: I don't like undefined.
00:37:12 <oerjan> actually you could make that x = Proxy
00:37:19 <oerjan> just as long as it's polymorphic
00:37:20 <elliott> Err... I also can't press altgr+2 to switch to the 2nd desktop. soething is wrong here.
00:37:42 <oerjan> wait id should also work
00:37:46 <olsner> you're probably holding down the control key or something
00:39:03 <oerjan> (reflect id :: p), (reflect [] :: p), are some of the possibilities. i don't recall any shorter predefined ones.
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00:41:16 <elliottasdf> WHAT THE FUCK
00:41:27 <elliottasdf> After hard-rebooting and trying to log in, it says my password is incorrect
00:41:29 <oerjan> <oerjan> (reflect id :: p), (reflect [] :: p), are some of the possibilities. i don't recall any shorter predefined ones.
00:41:35 <elliottasdf> I can enter it into the username field without problems
00:41:41 <nortti> i have written very simple stdio.h for c2bf and I am currectly working on a simple c preproceasor
00:41:45 <elliottasdf> So it's not a key input error
00:41:55 <olsner> elliottasdf: maybe your password is not what you think it is
00:42:07 <elliottasdf> olsner: Yes, very helpful, thank you, seeing as I've entered it N times today.
00:42:17 <olsner> maybe you're not even elliott
00:43:02 <elliottasdf> Could you try and be less helpful?
00:43:54 <olsner> is caps lock on?
00:43:59 <nortti> elliott: what os are you using?
00:44:21 <elliottasdf> Arch Linux, kernel version 3.2.2; login is via the standard VT login.
00:44:23 <elliottasdf> olsner: No.
00:45:09 <elliottasdf> Ugh.
00:45:12 <elliottasdf> This is really worrying.
00:45:22 <elliottasdf> Two completely random, unexplainable behaviours in direct succession.
00:45:39 <elliottasdf> I think I have a USB hard drive with an Arch installation ISO on it.
00:45:52 <elliottasdf> Do you think it's worth a try to mount my Linux partition and reset my password with it?
00:45:56 <olsner> oh, maybe it's a bug in the key logger
00:47:24 <elliottasdf> Sigh
00:48:02 <nortti> elliottasdf: try booting from live cd and setting second field in your /etc/passwd entry as empty
00:48:12 <Sgeo> Hi elliottasdf
00:48:15 <elliottasdf> Easier to chroot in and use passwd(1), no?
00:48:20 <elliottasdf> Sgeo: Hi, I'm in a bad mood.
00:48:27 <Sgeo> Switching to CL and learning Another System Definition Facility?
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00:48:43 <Sgeo> ....jokes might be a bad idea I guess, sorry
00:49:02 <itidus21> `quote
00:49:05 <elliottasdf> I'm not in *that* bad a mood. Although that one would make my day worse no matter how it was going.
00:49:06 <HackEgo> 78) <fedoragirl> My mascot is a tree of broccoli.
00:49:21 <nortti> elliottasdf :maybe
00:49:49 <nortti> I petsonally thik editing /etc/passwd is easier
00:50:14 <Sgeo> Editing password from LiveCD?
00:50:16 <Sgeo> I've done that
00:50:20 <itidus21> `quote
00:50:23 <HackEgo> 513) <Phantom_Hoover> You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug?
00:50:39 <Sgeo> Read some forum post suggesting to chroot to the system on HD then use passwd
00:50:56 <Sgeo> Seemed to work
00:50:58 <Sgeo> Hold on
00:51:10 <elliottasdf> Oh my god.
00:51:17 <elliottasdf> The insert keys are coming from inside the house.
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00:51:42 <elliottasdf> I booted the live CD, typed "ls " and — I swear to god — ^[[2~ appeared after ls and before the space.
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00:52:04 <elliottasdf> Right after I press the s.
00:52:13 <elliottasdf> Unplugged the keyboard, plugged back in, same behaviour, what the fuck?!
00:52:18 <Sgeo> "Fixing partner's lost password: Boot into LiveCD, chroot into HD, use passwd. Tried unsuccessful options such as logging into recovery (on my machine), and pondered editing /etc/shadow directly but didn't know exactly what to change."
00:52:34 <elliottasdf> In fact, it seems that "s" is the only key affected.
00:52:39 <elliottasdf> Sgeo: That's irrelevant now, it's something to do with the keyboard.
00:52:42 <Sgeo> Ok
00:52:48 <elliottasdf> My password has an "s" in it.
00:52:57 <Sgeo> Change your password to something without an s
00:53:03 <elliottasdf> No.
00:53:50 <Sgeo> I should read the update
00:53:55 <Sgeo> I read part of it, but got distracted
00:54:10 <elliottasdf> olsner: nortti: Any ideas what that could be?
00:54:51 <elliottasdf> Took off & replaced keycap on "s"; nothing unusual, same behaviour.
00:55:35 <elliottasdf> ...and pressing the insert key only actually works half the time.
00:55:42 <elliottasdf> Like, literally alternating nothing/it appears/nothing/it appears.
00:55:48 <nortti> try different keyboard
00:56:40 <elliottasdf> Ain't got one even remotely handy
00:57:49 <nortti> try opening up keyboard and cleaning contacts
00:57:53 <elliottasdf> Took keycap off insert key. Now "s" produces "as[INSERT]".
00:57:59 <elliottasdf> I am... baffled.
00:58:23 <nortti> ...
00:59:54 <elliottasdf> It does sound like something's up with the circuit, though.
01:00:02 <elliottasdf> ISTR that the connections are laid out in a rather nonsensical manner.
01:00:04 <Sgeo> What does a do?
01:01:06 <elliottasdf> ...insert "as".
01:02:03 <itidus21> so your keyboard might be messing up your password entry :-?
01:02:11 <elliottasdf> Yes, that much is established.
01:02:36 <itidus21> phew..!
01:03:11 <elliottasdf> How to fix it is less so, especially since taking off all the keycaps would probably result in my fingers becoming bloody messes.
01:04:07 <itidus21> i hope it's not a laptop ... that would be positively annoying
01:04:29 <elliottasdf> It is, but I use an external keyboard.
01:05:04 <itidus21> my kb has keys which can be lifted with a butterknife
01:05:42 <oerjan> elliottasdf: oh hm btw about reflect - wouldn't you usually call it as reify ... (\p -> ... reflect p ...) ?
01:05:47 <itidus21> i remember the agony trying to fix the spacebar
01:05:54 <oerjan> so no explicit Proxy needed
01:06:00 <elliottasdf> oerjan: No, that would defeat the point.
01:06:08 <elliottasdf> If you can do that, you can just do let p = x in ... p ...
01:06:18 <elliottasdf> The whole point is that you propagate the info through types.
01:06:33 <elliottasdf> The only thing you use the initial proxy for is to unify the types correctly.
01:06:36 <oerjan> oh hm lemme see
01:07:01 <elliottasdf> Anyway, if anyone has any ideas that don't involve taking off every keycap, they'd be really really appreciated...
01:07:31 <oerjan> "the fast implementation ascends from the ranks of completely unportable black magic to being merely mostly unportable black magic" :D
01:07:43 <elliottasdf> I wrote that :)
01:09:29 <zzo38> I don't like the way those reflection stuff works; I had a better solution in Ibtlfmm where values can be made into types by {} around it and types into kinds by {} around it but it is not implemented as far as I know
01:09:31 <oerjan> elliottasdf: um, i don't see anything in the API that _forbids_ using the passed-in p as the proxy for reflect.
01:09:41 <elliottasdf> zzo38: It works a lot better nowadays.
01:09:46 <elliottasdf> oerjan: I never said it was _forbidden_.
01:09:52 <oerjan> in fact the example does so
01:09:53 <elliottasdf> oerjan: I said it was _pointless_, and not what you usually do.
01:10:05 <elliottasdf> oerjan: Because you would have to pass the bloomin' p around everywhere as a parameter!
01:10:07 <zzo38> elliottasdf: Yes it probably does work better than before, but still it isn't sensible to me the way it is done in Haskell
01:10:10 <elliottasdf> If you do that, you can just pass the value itself.
01:10:13 <oerjan> well ok
01:10:35 <elliottasdf> e.g. if you have
01:10:43 <elliottasdf> foo :: (Reifies s Config) => IO (MyThing s)
01:10:45 <elliottasdf> foo = ...
01:10:50 <elliottasdf> (where MyThing's type parameter is phantom)
01:10:58 <elliottasdf> then you can't do anything like that, you must construct your own proxy.
01:11:46 <oerjan> elliottasdf: oh hm reflect (:: p) is _not_ of type p. because that's really (:: s).
01:11:56 <elliottasdf> Oh, right.
01:13:25 <zzo38> Maybe this way better: data DynamicMonoid (x :: *) (_ :: {x}) (_ :: {x}) :: * = DynamicMonoid x;
01:13:47 <zzo38> (But it won't work in Haskell)
01:14:14 <elliottasdf> zzo38: I see you are still determined to reinvent Agda without looking at it.
01:14:28 <elliottasdf> (One of those should be (x -> x -> x).)
01:14:52 <zzo38> elliottasdf: Yes I did make a mistake, it should be (_ :: {x -> x -> x})
01:15:30 <zzo38> I did look at Agda; it fails a few things I was looking for too, and it requires Unicode, and so on.
01:15:51 <oerjan> @quote agda.*unicode
01:15:51 <lambdabot> elliott says: "with a lot of unicode" is like agda's @faq. "yes, agda can do that with a lot of unicode!"
01:16:05 <elliottasdf> zzo38: Coq, then.
01:16:36 <zzo38> Even if it has some features like Agda or Coq, it isn't any of them.
01:17:56 <elliottasdf> You know who knew about keyboard matrices?
01:18:07 <elliottasdf> Ilari. I distinctly remember Ilari talking about scancodes and keyboard layouts and shit.
01:18:11 <elliottasdf> I bet he could help me THANKS OERJAN :(
01:18:54 <zzo38> People have told me some of these ideas resemble Haskell, Agda, Prolog, Lisp, Clean, and a few other things.
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01:19:02 <elliottasdf> Thoerjan.
01:19:33 <elliottasdf> My keyboard has now started producing input without me pressing any keys.
01:19:54 <elliottasdf> "222222222222213333333333333[lots of 3s]"
01:19:55 <elliottasdf> I swear to god.
01:20:03 <zzo38> O no, now you have to buy another keyboard, or fix it with a screwdriver and that stuff
01:20:09 <oerjan> elliottasdf: yw
01:20:12 <elliottasdf> nortti: WHATS HAPPENING TO MY KEYBOARD
01:20:29 <nortti> I don't know
01:20:43 <elliottasdf> ;_;
01:20:47 <olsner> @quote 2eyb
01:20:48 <lambdabot> olsner says: shapr: 2eyb6ard 0a5ntenance
01:20:54 <oerjan> demonic possession, obviously
01:21:16 <elliottasdf> OK, I tried to stop it and it just spewed a 1 out in the middle of the 3s.
01:21:21 <elliottasdf> Ctrl+C then stopped doing anything entirely.
01:21:58 <elliottasdf> OK, now it's stopped with a 333E123.
01:22:06 <elliottasdf> oerjan: Frankly, that seems plausible at this point.
01:23:28 <fizzie> Zen and the Art of 2eyb6ard 0a5ntenance, a famous book.
01:24:02 <elliottasdf> Now it's started printing out "E"s at a much slower rate.
01:24:06 <elliottasdf> fizzie: You know about keyboards, right?
01:24:54 <fizzie> Not much. I'd suggest a vigorous shaking, but I suppose that's as likely (or maybe slightly more) to make whatever's wrong worse.
01:25:01 <nortti> elliottasdf: Get cross, hold it in front if you in front of your keyboard and say "By the power of christ I command you to leave"
01:25:12 <elliottasdf> It's gone back to 3s.
01:25:14 <elliottasdf> Wait, I have a camera.
01:25:16 <elliottasdf> I can capture this moment.
01:25:23 <nortti> that might help with demonic possession
01:25:47 <fizzie> Yes, a soul-stealing machine like a camera can also help.
01:26:00 <oerjan> nortti: he doesn't have the faith
01:26:01 <elliottasdf> Alas, camera too blurry.
01:26:11 <elliottasdf> nortti: Think I'd need alvur for that.
01:26:11 <olsner> is a possessed camera better than a possessed keyboard?
01:26:53 <elliottasdf> I swear to god, "s" now inputs asd[INSERT][INSERT][INSERT].
01:27:01 <elliottasdf> It's like it's dying.
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01:27:55 <elliottasdf> So, um...
01:28:01 <elliottasdf> fizzie: I tried shaking and it didn't do much.
01:28:06 <elliottasdf> Except it logged me out of that console somehow.
01:29:33 <nortti> elliottasdf: alvur is not in irc right now
01:29:45 <elliottasdf> <ESCAPE> inputs <g.
01:30:00 <elliottasdf> nortti: It was a joke. I wouldn't talk to that guy if he was the only person on the planet who could fix my keyboard, anyway.
01:30:17 <nortti> why?
01:30:31 <elliottasdf> Because he's a moronic racist troll?
01:31:02 <nortti> well that's one reason
01:31:05 <olsner> but... do you really want to fix a keyboard that breaks? you should get a keyboard that doesn't break instead
01:31:07 <elliottasdf> That's three.
01:31:10 <fizzie> Personally I'd just buy a new keyboard, but certainly it at least has been possible to open those things up and clean/unstick the actual contact points, if that's the problem. Just removing keycaps probably doesn't open things up enough, though, and it might be somehow otherwise broken.
01:31:17 <elliottasdf> @time
01:31:18 <lambdabot> Local time for elliottasdf is 2012-04-22 01:31:18 +0000
01:31:23 <elliottasdf> Can't really buy a new keyboard in the timeframe I'd like.
01:31:26 <elliottasdf> (It's actually 2:31.)
01:31:40 <fizzie> Don't you have 24h computer shops in Hexham?
01:32:01 <nortti> @timr
01:32:02 <lambdabot> Local time for nortti is Sun Apr 22 04:34:23 UTC+3.00 2012
01:32:19 <nortti> that one is right
01:32:22 <olsner> @time
01:32:23 <lambdabot> Local time for olsner is Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
01:32:42 <olsner> harr harr
01:34:10 <elliottasdf> I'm sad now. I liked that keyboard. :(
01:34:18 <fizzie> How'd that work, anyway? I think I saw a CTCP TIME from lambdabot the other day.
01:34:38 <fizzie> @time
01:34:40 <elliottasdf> @TIME fizzie
01:34:40 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
01:34:42 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Sun Apr 22 04:34:38 2012
01:35:14 <elliottasdf> @globaltime
01:35:16 <lambdabot> Local time for elliottasdf is 2012-04-22 01:35:15 +0000
01:35:20 <elliottasdf> ...wh
01:35:26 <elliottasdf> Oh, that's two away from "localtime".
01:35:50 <olsner> @globaltime
01:35:50 <lambdabot> Local time for olsner is Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
01:36:01 <elliottasdf> Also, sitting here with this laptop is really uncomfortable. :(
01:36:06 <elliottasdf> fizzie: Fix my computer,.
01:36:11 <elliottasdf> Also where is monqy? Today is terrible. I hate today.
01:36:40 <elliottasdf>
01:36:49 <elliottasdf> I don't even have GHC 7.4 here.
01:36:53 <elliottasdf> Or Emacs.
01:37:09 <fizzie> I have a spare PS/2 keyboard you can have if you pick it up. The 'u' doesn't work after an icecream incident, though.
01:37:26 <elliottasdf> My laptop doesn't even have a PS/2 port.
01:37:49 <fizzie> They probably sell some kind of USB adapters.
01:38:18 <elliottasdf> They do. They don't work very well, esp. for things like the Model M which require rather more than a USB port is willing to offer.
01:38:54 <fizzie> It's a real Compaq-brand keyboard, from a... Compaq Presario CDS 633?
01:39:18 <fizzie> It was certified MPC level... 2?
01:39:46 <elliottasdf> fizzie: I'll forgive you if you watch me play Crawl.
01:40:20 <fizzie> http://www.recycledgoods.com/product_images/e/719/s_p_23909_1__90557_zoom.jpg yessss that looks familiar.
01:40:49 <fizzie> Sadly, imma sleep right about now. Early (noon) morning tomorrow.
01:41:05 <elliottasdf> How awfully convenient.
01:41:41 <fizzie> That thing's got a Sound Blaster 16 card with an Adaptec SCSI chip integrated right on it.
01:41:53 <fizzie> The CD drive's hooked up with that.
01:42:42 <pikhq> Fancy.
01:42:59 <fizzie> Also something that looks just like a Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB video card, except it's not physically a card, it's on the motherboard.
01:43:51 <fizzie> The (three) expansion card slots are in a board that sticks up vertically from a custom slot in the mb.
01:44:02 <fizzie> Very fancy.
01:44:20 <elliottasdf> pikhq: I bet you know what to do. :(
01:44:57 <pikhq> Do I?
01:45:18 <elliottasdf> Yes.
01:46:19 <elliottasdf> pikhq: :'(
01:46:34 <pikhq> http://sprunge.us/caiY Y'mean, try to make this madness work? :P
01:47:00 <elliottasdf> pikhq: That's way crappier than SIXTH.
01:47:27 <pikhq> elliottasdf: Yup, it's really insanely crappy.
01:47:31 <pikhq> And also broken.
01:47:39 <elliottasdf> pikhq: Come on. I need my keyboard. :(
01:48:08 <pikhq> Presumably cheap and hopefully quick and easy to get?
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01:48:54 <pikhq> Yeah, either try cracking it open and seeing if there's any shorts, or buy a new one.
01:50:49 <pikhq> SIXTH is impossible to google.
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01:51:14 <elliottasdf> It's a thing I wrote once.
01:51:17 <elliottasdf> It... half worked.
01:51:23 <elliottasdf> It was a Forth in a boot sector.
01:51:35 <pikhq> I'd like a link.
01:51:38 <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode All of us would always have ''only a few thoughts'' for UniCode, but what I want is teamwork by the whole community to help finish the first UniCode specification, which would require 65536 different instructions thought of.
01:51:54 <elliottasdf> Unicode has more than 65536 codepoints.
01:52:04 <elliottasdf> It has >110,000.
01:53:34 * oerjan predicts that NSQX is not going to get what he wants
01:53:52 <NSQX> No, first we will have teamwork on the UniCode 1.1 specification, which maps all the characters in Unicode 1.1 (65536 characters) to UniCode instructions. After we finish the UniCode 1.1 specification with our teamwork, then we will work on the UniCode 2.0 specification, which has more than 110,000 characters.
01:54:02 <elliottasdf> NSQX: Anyway, it would really be a good idea to omit the rows with no UniCode instruction description.
01:54:17 <elliottasdf> Otherwise the page will get way too big for the server and browsers very quickly, if a lot of people collaborate on creating the subpages.
01:54:36 <oerjan> NSQX: even besides the technical problems, there are not sufficiently many people sufficiently interested in this project.
01:54:49 <oerjan> (i, for one, don't care about it.)
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01:56:10 <NSQX> Anyway, however, I am okay even if the ''UniCode 1.1 specification'' is completed in ''2020'' or earlier.
01:56:26 <elliottasdf> ''okay''
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01:56:52 <nortti> elliott: you can get a free ps/2 keyboard from me if you come to finland and clean sodium hysrokside from it yourself
01:57:11 <nortti> *elliottasdf
01:57:13 <elliottasdf> How did you get lye on your keyboard?
01:57:44 <nortti> Little incident on chemitry claas
01:58:00 <olsner> why did you bring your keyboard to chemistry class?
01:58:11 <elliottasdf> To pour lye on it.
01:58:32 <oerjan> his whole life is a lye
01:58:33 <nortti> it got to my phome which i put on my old keyboard after I got home
01:58:51 <NSQX> Well, for just this moment, think of any characters which are not yet mapped to any UniCode instructions, then type the character and your proposed instruction on this IRC channel. Of course, unlike a wiki, anything you type here does not fill up any server.
01:59:07 <elliottasdf> It does, multiple bots log every line sent to the channel
02:00:03 <nortti> NSQX you can create you own channel just for that
02:00:47 <elliottasdf> Well, it's certainly fine to collaborate on esolangs here.
02:02:17 <nortti> U+0666 : start a satanic ritual
02:03:17 <NSQX> Okay, talk about thousands of UniCode characters and their instructions on the non-logged channel #uclang
02:04:52 <nortti> but how we maintain list of what does what
02:05:34 <elliottasdf> Right, logging is quite the benefit there :P
02:07:31 <elliottasdf> NSQX: You won't be able to fill up any disk by talking in here, anyway.
02:07:48 <elliottasdf> The freenode servers rate-limit every client, so there's no way for any one person to cause much data to be logged per day.
02:09:09 <RocketJSquirrel> <nortti> U+0666 : start a satanic ritual // ITYM U+029A
02:10:49 <nortti> RocketJSquirrel: ITYM? and U+0666 was in hexadecimal
02:11:31 <elliottasdf> Incas? Totally Yak-Makers
02:12:09 <oerjan> there are no yaks in peru
02:12:17 <RocketJSquirrel> nortti: "ITYM" = "I think you mean", and I'm making fun of our silly, would-be-prime-if-not-for-symmetry number of fingers.
02:12:30 <oerjan> and tibet has only lamas, not llamas
02:12:38 <elliottasdf> Would-be-prime-if-not-for-symmetry...
02:12:44 <elliottasdf> I have no idea what you mean by that.
02:13:44 <RocketJSquirrel> elliottasdf: Our number of fingers is 2*5. If it wasn't for the free multiple of two thanks to symmetry, it would be prime.
02:14:21 <elliottasdf> Ah :P
02:14:41 <elliottasdf> Well, my keyboard appears to have become completely useless.
02:16:54 <olsner> then why is it still your keyboard?
02:17:01 <elliottasdf> It's my ex-keyboard.
02:17:07 <nortti> elliottasdf: what are you using to write then?
02:17:16 <elliottasdf> My other laptop.
02:17:32 <nortti> specs?
02:17:40 <elliottasdf> Better than my other one.
02:17:47 <elliottasdf> But I use the other one more.
02:17:51 <nortti> why
02:18:03 <elliottasdf> It runs Linux nicer.
02:18:48 <nortti> What kind of specs does your other laptop have?
02:19:10 <elliottasdf> The other one is, like, 1.33 GHz Core 2 Duo ULV with 4 gigs of RAM.
02:21:08 <oerjan> it's just resting
02:21:10 <elliottasdf> This one is 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo with the same RAM, but the RAM is DDR3, the HD is SSD and the resolution is higher.
02:30:13 <elliottasdf> Dude. Spider.
02:30:19 <elliottasdf> You can't just shimmy down from the ceiling like that.
02:30:47 <oerjan> it's an ooooooooooooooooooooomen
02:31:48 <elliottasdf> It's just sitting there now.
02:32:20 <zzo38> Then leave it alone, unless it touched you
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02:38:25 <elliottasdf> `quote
02:38:28 <HackEgo> 710) <fizzie> Do you want me to live dangerously and just stick it in the bot without testing it? <elliott> fizzie: Yes. <elliott> There is pretty much no way it won't be amazing.
02:38:45 <elliottasdf> fizzie will never live that one down.
02:39:16 <NSQX> Well, to find Unicode escape identifiers to put in the table of UniCode characters, go to http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/(hexcode)/index.htm
02:39:53 * elliottasdf isn't sure what an "escape identifier" is meant to be.
02:40:36 <NSQX> For example, http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00AB/index.htm for the Unicode escape identifier for UniCode's right shift instruction, which is LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
02:40:51 <elliottasdf> I don't see anything marked as an escape identifier on that page.
02:41:41 <NSQX> Then look for "LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK" on that page, it is the Unicode escape identifier apart from the code.
02:42:05 <elliottasdf> Do you mean U+00AB?
02:42:28 <NSQX> No, 0x00AB (171) is the code.
02:42:50 <elliottasdf> That's just the number of the codepoint (in hex and decimal).
02:43:19 <elliottasdf> So I'm not sure what you want that column to contain, other than the hex version of the column next to it.
02:43:59 <NSQX> elliottasdf:
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02:44:06 <elliottasdf> ...ok.
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02:44:27 <elliott> hi
02:44:33 <elliott> @tell monqy sorry, it was necessary
02:44:33 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:45:04 <oerjan> cruel but unavoidable
02:46:13 <elliott> Oh, *now* you start talking again.
02:46:33 <elliott> It would take a Unicode Big Endian codepoint to express my distaste.
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02:48:13 <elliott> Hey oerjan, fix my keyboard or I'll cry.
02:49:14 <elliott> Actually, I might just cry anyway. But you should still fix my keyboard.
02:49:16 <elliott> I'm getting rather keybored.
02:49:59 <elliott> oerjan: Come on, swat me for that.
02:50:06 <elliott> It would beat eternal nothingness.
02:51:05 <oerjan> I'm sorry, elliott. I'm afraid I can't do that. Except for the swatting part. -----###
02:51:23 <elliott> Two spaces after full stops? You must really hate me.
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02:52:51 <oerjan> i have used that for years, i think.
02:54:03 <elliott> Well, my other computer doesn't use a monospaced font.
02:54:06 <oerjan> i'm just not talkative enough for it to show up often.
02:54:19 <elliott> So I don't see the awfulness as much.
02:54:22 <elliott> But I can't use that because
02:54:23 <elliott> MY
02:54:23 <elliott> KEYBOARD
02:54:24 <elliott> IS
02:54:25 <elliott> BROKEN
02:54:30 <oerjan> ah.
02:54:59 <elliott> I bet soon you'll get really keybored of hearing about my broken keyboard.
02:55:53 <oerjan> i'm not betting against that.
02:56:02 <oerjan> seems it's that earth day thing
02:56:18 <elliott> Is the earth rebelling against my artificial technology?
02:56:27 <elliott> Is the EARTH to blame for my BROKEN KEYBOARD???
02:56:42 <elliott> FUCK
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02:56:42 <elliott> THE
02:56:43 <elliott> ENVIRONMENT
02:57:27 <elliott> ALSO I DON'T HAVE ADBLOCK HERE
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03:27:22 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/245370
03:41:16 <qfr> I presume that was you, elliottq
03:41:18 <qfr> elliott * even
03:41:33 <elliott> Totally. I logged out and suggested an edit just so I could reject it.
03:42:13 <elliott> idcbhygytfrdsr, and all that.
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03:42:54 <elliott> (I Don't Care 'Bout How You Guys Yank Televisions From Radical Democrats (So Radical))
03:45:30 <elliott> "Ibex 'Dangerously Crass' Begats Hella Yak Geishas, You Tossers", Fucking Ridiculous Diocese Sluttily Rants
03:46:59 <elliott> Incantations Don't Castrate Banned Hamburgers; However, Yammering Ghouls' Ytterbium Tools Froze Recently, Damning Saintly Raccoons.
03:49:34 <elliott> Isengard Disease Causes Buggery, Hugs; Y'all Gimli-Yacht Travellers, For Real; Don't Sex Rabbis.
03:49:47 <elliott> qfr: Come on, I can't do all these by myself.
03:51:37 <qfr> elliott of course you can, you know Haskell
03:51:44 <elliott> Or *do* I?
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03:58:25 <elliott> hi monqy!!!!
03:58:39 <elliott> monqy a lot happened monqy monqy
03:58:50 <monqy> helo
03:58:50 <lambdabot> monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
03:58:57 <monqy> oh dear
03:59:00 <elliott> sorry that wasn't a
03:59:01 <elliott> hi monqy
03:59:02 <monqy> a lot really did happen, if i have a message,
03:59:03 <elliott> it was just a
03:59:03 <elliott> hi,
03:59:04 <elliott> monqy
03:59:09 <monqy> hi, elliott
03:59:11 <elliott> hi!
03:59:34 <monqy> oh no now i have to logread
03:59:36 <monqy> tosee
03:59:37 <monqy> what hapeoend
04:00:04 <elliott> it involves NSQX! :)
04:01:39 <monqy> 01:51:38: <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode All of us would always have ''only a few thoughts'' for UniCode, but what I want is teamwork by the whole community to help finish the first UniCode specification, which would require 65536 different instructions thought of.
04:01:43 <monqy> so i see
04:02:04 <elliott> You skipped the part where my keyboard broke.
04:02:14 <monqy> :( where should i start
04:02:29 <monqy> also oh no UniCode pages on the wiki
04:06:34 <elliott> monqy: i made wiki edit
04:07:39 <monqy> i'll just start where i last quit and skim until i find something interesting
04:08:32 <elliott> where did you last quit
04:08:58 <elliott> also monqy i played crawl some more
04:08:59 <elliott> badly
04:09:33 <monqy> im going to tv your deaths
04:09:34 <monqy> & watch them
04:10:00 <elliott> oh man
04:10:07 <elliott> how do you watch the tv again
04:10:36 <monqy> telnet termcast.develz.org
04:10:43 <monqy> i'll find all your games i havent seen and queue them up
04:10:48 <elliott> one
04:10:49 <elliott> second
04:11:22 <elliott> ok im
04:11:24 <elliott> prepared
04:11:36 <monqy> ok
04:11:42 <elliott> ive prepared myself
04:11:43 <elliott> inside
04:11:57 <elliott> rest in piece lichemaster the firebug, deep elf
04:12:14 <elliott> argh
04:12:15 <elliott> os x terminal is
04:12:18 <elliott> really bad about black on black text
04:12:27 <monqy> quueueueueued
04:12:45 <monqy> probably someone in ##crawl will ask me why i queued all of these deaths
04:12:48 <monqy> i shoiuld prepare an excuse
04:13:22 <elliott> how could anyone question the beauty of me dying
04:13:28 <elliott> is ##crawl a nice place
04:13:38 <monqy> i like it, but i might like it because it's bad
04:13:56 <elliott> should i join, is it a scary kind of place
04:14:00 <elliott> i like friendly places
04:14:04 <monqy> i don't think it's scary
04:14:22 <monqy> it's friendly depending on stuff i guess
04:14:23 <elliott> i remember this
04:14:28 <monqy> 21:14:21 < mikee_> monqy, what are you doing
04:14:29 <elliott> this is from uh
04:14:30 <monqy> here it comes
04:14:30 <elliott> earlier tonight
04:14:36 <elliott> i kept pressing ctrl+p to try and view previous messages
04:14:38 <elliott> but
04:14:43 <elliott> i ended up praying a lot instead
04:14:46 <elliott> because it's not nethack
04:14:51 <elliott> but xom didn't seem to mind
04:14:56 <elliott> monqy: also are you doing them in reverse order
04:15:00 <monqy> yes
04:15:02 <elliott> because that was my most recent one i think
04:15:02 <elliott> ok
04:15:03 <monqy> it's easier that way
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04:15:48 <elliott> is ##crawl laughing at how bad i play
04:15:51 <elliott> are they aim heckling me
04:15:56 <elliott> *hecking
04:16:13 <monqy> so far only mikee has said anything and it was just asking me why all these d:1 mucks are important
04:17:08 <elliott> oh boy i remember this one
04:17:19 <elliott> xom was all inner flame and i was all oops
04:17:44 <elliott> i forget how i actually died though
04:17:47 <monqy> for future reference (assuming any future at all) that brown ^ was a shaft and you could have stepped on it and hit > for a free escape
04:18:02 <elliott> thanks, i'll let past me know
04:18:41 <elliott> oh that's how i died
04:18:56 <elliott> what bot is it
04:18:58 <elliott> that takes reqs
04:19:00 <elliott> i must know urgently
04:19:07 <monqy> reqs?
04:19:10 <elliott> the !tv
04:19:10 <elliott> things
04:19:12 <monqy> oh
04:19:13 <monqy> sequell
04:19:22 <elliott> excellent
04:19:39 <elliott> monqy—elliott !tv monopoly
04:19:44 <elliott> uh
04:19:47 <elliott> i like how it's broken
04:19:50 <elliott> oh
04:20:01 <elliott> whoa monqy are you
04:20:03 <elliott> walking manually???
04:20:06 <monqy> no
04:20:11 <elliott> oh the ttyrec thing
04:20:14 <elliott> normalises the speed doesn't it
04:20:15 <monqy> yeah
04:20:22 <elliott> that sucks btw
04:20:35 <elliott> also i meant to say monqy instead of squarelos so that it was more symmetrical sigh
04:20:51 <elliott> sigh
04:20:53 <monqy> well making big delays shorter is fine by me but i wish it kept small delays small
04:21:21 <elliott> wait ##crawl know my nickname now OOPSE
04:21:41 <monqy> they probably won't bother you
04:21:52 <monqy> unless you join and say bad things
04:21:58 <elliott> what if i join and say,
04:21:59 <elliott> crawl is boring
04:22:09 <monqy> one way to find out
04:22:17 <elliott> don't do it and think about it instead???
04:22:22 <monqy> yes
04:22:48 <elliott> guess whose going to
04:22:49 <elliott> play crawl again
04:22:57 <monqy> is it you
04:23:05 <elliott> no its obama (yes)
04:23:07 <elliott> (im obama)
04:23:11 <elliott> (i—mobama)
04:23:27 <elliott> help
04:23:29 <elliott> why is the background all wrong
04:23:37 <elliott> also
04:23:39 <elliott> how do you quit
04:23:42 <monqy> wrong??
04:23:43 <monqy> in what way
04:23:49 <elliott> its brighte
04:23:52 <elliott> not blakk at all
04:23:54 <monqy> ^Q to quit, S or ^S to save and quit
04:23:57 <elliott> *blachque
04:24:01 <monqy> what terminal are you usicng
04:24:07 <elliott> termain dltot app
04:24:08 <elliott> because
04:24:11 <elliott> keboyard broken
04:24:14 <elliott> *termi nal dot app
04:24:21 <monqy> termian dltot app is kown to have crawl problems
04:24:22 <elliott> i think its because
04:24:27 <elliott> on my linux machine
04:24:29 <elliott> i have a brighter background
04:24:31 <elliott> greyish
04:24:32 <elliott> and
04:24:36 <elliott> this has it too????
04:24:37 <elliott> for some reason
04:24:39 <elliott> once i start the game
04:24:42 <elliott> how do i make it forget me
04:24:46 <monqy> i forget what ##crawl says about terminal.app
04:24:56 <elliott> i dont want to know (it would hurt my (feeligns))
04:25:42 <elliott> oh
04:25:47 <elliott> i know why it happen
04:25:57 <elliott> monqy: is there a way to disable how crawl sets its own background
04:25:59 <elliott> on the tile
04:25:59 <elliott> s
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04:26:14 <monqy> i dont know
04:26:19 <elliott> :(
04:28:33 <elliott> im reading
04:28:34 <elliott> the config file
04:32:48 <elliott> monqy: i cant figure it out :'(
04:34:37 <elliott> @time monqy
04:34:38 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Sat Apr 21 21:34:37 2012
04:34:41 <elliott> happy monqy
04:34:44 <monqy> happy
04:35:44 <monqy> 21:35:38 <Henzell> macos[1/1]: Install iTerm, do not use Terminal.app. If you like X, any sane X terminal emulator will work (xterm, urxvt).
04:35:47 <monqy> very helpful
04:35:58 <elliott> im too rebel to do that
04:36:00 <elliott> iTerm is really bad also
04:36:19 <elliott> i do have x11 though
04:36:19 <elliott> so
04:36:21 <elliott> i guess ill try that
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04:40:07 <elliott> monqy: i used xterm but now every text am really small :(
04:40:58 <monqy> can you make every text bigger
04:41:04 <elliott> yes i just did
04:42:05 <elliott> monqy: how do you paste into xterm without mouse
04:42:06 <elliott> i forget
04:42:28 <monqy> try pressing three fingers on your touchpad?
04:42:37 <elliott> never mind i fixed it
04:42:39 <elliott> monqy: doesnt work in os x
04:42:40 <elliott> ok
04:42:43 <elliott> im playing
04:42:44 <elliott> again
04:42:44 <monqy> ok
04:42:49 <monqy> im watch
04:42:59 <elliott> im try to
04:43:01 <elliott> use less autoexplore
04:43:01 <elliott> this time
04:43:26 <monqy> why
04:43:31 <elliott> i
04:43:32 <elliott> m not sure
04:43:38 <elliott> i think because its even more boring when im not acutally making the game do anything
04:44:09 <elliott> but
04:44:13 <elliott> i may grow to quickly regret this decision
04:45:11 <monqy> if you want to get far enough to see different parts of crawl which is probably the best thing to do to get into it
04:45:15 <monqy> muck probably isn't the best choice
04:45:22 <monqy> but i dunno what a good choice would be
04:45:23 <monqy> because
04:45:29 <monqy> the 'best' choices are boring
04:45:39 <monqy> trolls and berserkers and such
04:45:43 <elliott> i just picked muck because
04:45:50 <elliott> (a) you were playing muck and
04:45:58 <elliott> (b) they don't have to eat which is nice
04:45:59 <monqy> muck is one of those
04:46:02 <monqy> infamously bad combos
04:46:11 <elliott> i'm kind of infamously bad too
04:46:15 <elliott> but uh yeah trolls sound boring
04:46:18 <monqy> along with ddak
04:46:21 <elliott> berserker i GUESS i could do???
04:46:24 <elliott> i mean
04:46:32 <elliott> i just don't want to worry about eating all the time
04:46:36 <monqy> mube is also on the infamously bad side
04:46:40 <elliott> so things that can eat corpses, or don't need to eat, appeal to me
04:46:51 <monqy> kobe is good though
04:47:10 <elliott> ok im play again
04:47:12 <monqy> oh no am i accidentally using the shortenings do you know what they mean i forgot to explain them
04:47:13 <elliott> whats kobe
04:47:17 <monqy> kobold berserker
04:47:18 <elliott> i don't
04:47:19 <elliott> really :'(
04:47:25 <elliott> kobold berserker sounds good
04:47:44 <elliott> kobolds don't have to eat right
04:47:48 <monqy> they eat corpses
04:47:55 <elliott> good enough
04:47:58 <elliott> ok so
04:48:00 <elliott> just to check
04:48:05 <elliott> what definition of "good" are you using
04:48:12 <elliott> and is that water meant to be an a with a hat
04:48:12 <monqy> as in
04:48:13 <monqy> easy
04:48:17 <monqy> no it's not
04:48:22 <elliott> ok but
04:48:23 <monqy> it's meant to be a ≈
04:48:24 <elliott> by easy do you also mean
04:48:24 <elliott> boring
04:48:27 <monqy> perhaps
04:48:30 <monqy> i dont play kobe
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04:48:53 <elliott> :(
04:48:56 <elliott> should i play kobe
04:48:57 <monqy> as a berserker you can pray over corpses you don't want to eat to sacrifice them to trog, press a to use god abilities (you start with berk)
04:48:57 <elliott> or
04:49:05 <elliott> ok i guess ill stick with this
04:49:07 <monqy> you could play a kobe and maybe dive a bit and use berk to kill hard stuff
04:49:08 <elliott> but ill fix my unicodes
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04:50:02 <elliott> i like how
04:50:06 <elliott> i have to type my 20-character password each time
04:50:08 <elliott> because i can't paste
04:50:11 <monqy> it's not 20char
04:50:18 <elliott> huh?
04:50:18 <monqy> it gets trunkated to the first 8
04:50:20 <monqy> or so
04:50:27 <elliott> but the sign up thing said 20 char
04:50:30 <monqy> it lied
04:50:35 <elliott> i
04:50:44 <elliott> ok that worked
04:50:50 <elliott> i feel
04:50:51 <elliott> insulted
04:50:59 <elliott> ok im playing now
04:51:06 <elliott> _You hit the plant but do no damage.
04:51:07 <elliott> fuck u plant
04:51:09 <monqy> im watch
04:51:09 <elliott> btw whats the _ for
04:51:18 <elliott> also are things that are bold blue good
04:51:28 <monqy> the _s separate messages on different turns
04:51:34 <elliott> ok
04:51:40 <monqy> blue means it has some enchantments or something
04:51:43 <elliott> im going to
04:51:46 <monqy> this could mean it's negatively enchanted and cursed
04:51:49 <elliott> level up once or twice on the first floor thing
04:51:51 <elliott> before diving
04:52:00 <monqy> sure if you want
04:52:06 <elliott> also diving sounds like a pain when
04:52:11 <elliott> the non-boring way to find >s is autoexplore
04:52:15 <elliott> but that searches lots of other things too
04:52:17 <elliott> is there
04:52:18 <elliott> a trick
04:52:30 <elliott> oh right cannablism
04:52:32 <elliott> forgot about that
04:52:51 <elliott> when trog accepts my kill is that
04:52:53 <monqy> cannibalism isn't a problem in crawl unless you worship good gods or the corpse of your race is indedible to you
04:52:54 <elliott> meaningful
04:52:56 <elliott> do i have to do anything about it
04:53:00 <monqy> it means you might have gained some piety
04:53:02 <elliott> also then why didnt it prompt me about eating the kobold bitses
04:53:04 <elliott> when im standing on them
04:53:27 <elliott> :?
04:53:40 <elliott> uh oh
04:53:45 <elliott> that's an instadeath thing right
04:53:49 <monqy> no
04:53:49 <elliott> or was that nethack im thinking of
04:53:51 <elliott> oh
04:53:52 <monqy> nethack
04:53:56 <elliott> can i just ignore it then
04:53:58 <monqy> yeah
04:54:02 <monqy> crawl just won't let eat poisonous chunks
04:54:02 <elliott> deadly
04:54:10 <monqy> unless you have rpois, in which case they're just like clean chunks
04:54:15 <elliott> so nerfed!!!
04:54:19 <monqy> unless they're pois+contam, in which case they're just like contam chunks
04:54:25 <monqy> but kobolds treat clean and contam the same so
04:55:53 <elliott> so does trog like me killing uhhh
04:55:55 <elliott> absolutely everything
04:56:06 <monqy> nnno
04:56:16 <monqy> i think trog doesn't care about plants or "nonliving" things?
04:56:20 <monqy> maybe just not care about plants
04:56:22 <elliott> ok so basically everything
04:56:25 <monqy> yeah
04:56:31 <elliott> nice guy
04:56:32 <monqy> nonliving is things like golems
04:56:50 <elliott> jesus fuck how bad are me and the giant newt at aiming
04:57:09 <elliott> i swear roguelikes take place in a world where everybody's swords are made of jelly
04:57:12 <elliott> and shit
04:57:14 <elliott> uhh
04:57:14 <monqy> yes
04:57:16 <elliott> theyre not made of shit
04:57:56 <elliott> im level up once more and then go dive
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04:58:05 <monqy> if you level up once more
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04:58:19 <elliott> im suspense
04:58:22 <monqy> really you could have dove right at the beginning but maybe you feel more comfortable this way
04:58:27 <monqy> berk is really strong
04:58:35 <elliott> what was the "if" i dont quite
04:58:36 <elliott> understand
04:58:41 <elliott> and also im just
04:58:44 <elliott> doing it to get items and uhhh
04:58:45 <elliott> stuff
04:58:46 <elliott> i don't know
04:58:49 <monqy> i mean
04:58:54 <monqy> maybe theres not enough xp on this level
04:58:56 <monqy> to level you up
04:58:58 <elliott> oh
04:59:00 <elliott> it feels less foolhardy if i level up a bit first because then i have a Serious Commitment to the game
04:59:05 <monqy> oh
04:59:19 <elliott> but you're right, i'll go down a level
04:59:31 <elliott> then level up once, then dive time
04:59:43 <elliott> oops
04:59:45 <elliott> im more poisoned
04:59:46 <monqy> my strat on berkers is dive until i find hard things then berk them for all the levels i could have gotten by doing things slowly
04:59:49 <monqy> you can berk it
04:59:59 <elliott> ok this is the part where we find out i've forgotten how to do that
04:59:59 <Sgeo> elliott, berserker?
05:00:15 <monqy> hit a
05:00:59 <elliott> ok thats enough
05:01:01 <elliott> rambling around
05:01:07 <elliott> how far is a good
05:01:09 <elliott> dive amount
05:01:11 <elliott> in crawl
05:01:12 <elliott> i mean
05:01:16 <monqy> until you start having trouble?
05:01:20 <elliott> fair enough
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05:01:47 <elliott> yikes
05:02:01 <elliott> uhhhhhhh
05:02:03 <monqy> oh i wasn't watching
05:02:03 <monqy> uhhh
05:02:09 <Sgeo> WHat's in inventory?
05:02:14 <monqy> Sgeo: hes berk
05:02:14 <elliott> i tried to quaff
05:02:15 <elliott> but i was too
05:02:16 <elliott> berk
05:02:17 <Sgeo> Oh
05:02:30 <elliott> :(
05:02:33 <monqy> :(
05:02:36 <elliott> i think ill try monqys strategy this time
05:02:49 <elliott> and just
05:02:52 <elliott> go down immediately
05:02:58 <monqy> also when berking try to handle just one thing at a time
05:03:03 <elliott> yeah the uh
05:03:06 <elliott> the orcs came before the berk thing
05:03:07 <monqy> i don't know how you got into that situation
05:03:09 <elliott> that was sort of a last minute thing
05:03:16 <elliott> there were orcs and i was almost dead so
05:03:31 <zzo38> The next session of Dungeons&Dragons game not played yet so I selected a flaw and a feat (it is allowed to select a trait no more often than once every five levels, although less often if you wish; but only upon advancing a level)
05:03:35 <monqy> also if you're in especially trrouble you can use one of trogs other abilities before the berk too, like trogs hand for extra hp regen and magic resistance, or brothers in arms from berking friends
05:03:38 <Patashu> you should play a spriggan wizard
05:03:40 <Patashu> 1. magic dart things
05:03:44 <Patashu> 2. if you run out of magic darts run
05:03:45 <monqy> uuugh kiting is boring
05:03:47 <elliott> monqy: man trog is like 10x nicer than xom
05:03:53 <monqy> I explicitly avoided suggesting kitey things
05:04:14 <elliott> whats kitey things
05:04:30 <monqy> kiting is when you used ranged stuff then step away until you're out of range and repeat
05:04:30 <Patashu> spriggans are fast
05:04:32 <Patashu> faster than like everything
05:04:36 <Patashu> (centaurs too)
05:04:48 <monqy> you're in no danger at all and you can kill anything that's slower than you and melee only
05:04:50 <Patashu> it's kind of silly, spriggans and centaurs are way too powerful as a result
05:04:52 <monqy> i.e. most of early game
05:04:54 <monqy> yeah
05:04:58 <elliott> ugh that's boring
05:04:59 <monqy> yeah
05:05:14 <monqy> it's a Big Crawl Problem
05:05:16 <elliott> what
05:05:18 <elliott> theres no downstairs
05:05:30 <monqy> either search or go back up and try another downstairs
05:06:16 <elliott> :?
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05:06:26 <monqy> :??
05:07:35 <elliott> are slings useful
05:07:41 <elliott> uhh is there a decent wiki
05:07:41 <monqy> maybe
05:07:43 <elliott> i found a wiki once googling
05:07:44 <elliott> but
05:07:44 <monqy> i've never used them!!
05:07:46 <monqy> no
05:07:47 <elliott> i don't know if it's any good like
05:07:48 <elliott> nethackwiki or whatever
05:07:50 <elliott> ok
05:07:52 <monqy> the wiki is infamously bad
05:07:56 <elliott> ill stick to monqy then
05:07:59 <Patashu> what I do when I want to know A Thing in crawl is
05:08:02 <Patashu> @??name_of_monster
05:08:06 <Patashu> or if it's not a monster ??name_of_thing
05:08:07 <Patashu> in ##crawl
05:08:11 <elliott> ??sling
05:08:13 <elliott> ITS NOT WORKING PATASHU
05:08:16 <Patashu> :(
05:08:21 <Patashu> also
05:08:25 <monqy> ##crawl is generally better than wiki but sometimes bad people give bad advice
05:08:27 <monqy> or are generally bad
05:08:28 <Patashu> you can pm the bots directly if you don't want to reveal your shameful secrets
05:08:33 <Sgeo> elliott, the Crawl wiki is considered obsolete by everyone
05:08:37 <Patashu> Henzell responds to ??
05:08:46 <Patashu> Gretell responds to @??
05:08:47 <monqy> Sgeo: obsolete and full of bad advice and misinformation
05:08:53 <monqy> Sgeo: it is doublebad
05:08:54 <elliott> sounds great
05:09:07 <elliott> oh cmon!!!
05:09:24 <monqy> you can berk again
05:09:44 <Patashu> btw, the most important thing to know in crawl as a combat wombat is the concept of weapon delay
05:09:54 <Patashu> basically
05:10:01 <monqy> is that really the most important thing
05:10:04 <Patashu> every 2 points in $weapon_skill your weapon's weapon delay is reduced by 10%
05:10:11 <monqy> i thought the most important thing was like
05:10:12 <Patashu> to a minimum of 70% or half of its original whichever is lower
05:10:16 <Patashu> well
05:10:19 <Patashu> for strategy purposes it is
05:10:19 <monqy> when to run and how to position yourself
05:10:26 <monqy> oh i was thinking tactics
05:10:33 <Patashu> basically you want to pump your weapon skill until you have the min delay for your weapon
05:10:34 <elliott> im really not
05:10:35 <elliott> diving very well am i
05:10:38 <Patashu> then you can do other things as well
05:10:38 <elliott> i keep getting sidetracked
05:10:39 <elliott> before finding stairs
05:10:44 <elliott> the problem is
05:10:45 <elliott> finding stairs is
05:10:46 <elliott> difficult
05:10:52 <monqy> you don't have to dive
05:10:53 <monqy> it's just
05:10:56 <elliott> i want to because
05:10:58 <monqy> diving is less boring than clearing everything
05:10:58 <elliott> otherwise im really bored
05:11:04 <Patashu> solution to boredom:
05:11:07 <Patashu> explore_delay = -1
05:11:08 <zzo38> ADOM has something like weapon delay too; the more skills you have reduce the energy costs. This is described fully in the instructions (push ? during the game).
05:11:09 <Patashu> travel_delay = -1
05:11:16 <Patashu> alternate o and tab until D:1 is cleared
05:11:17 <monqy> Patashu: for some reason elliott is exploring manually
05:11:23 <Patashu> he's crazy
05:11:25 <elliott> well i
05:11:26 <Patashu> I have a friend who explores manually
05:11:27 <Patashu> he dies a lot
05:11:28 <elliott> was trying to find stairs quicker
05:11:28 <monqy> also don't alternate o and tab, put them both on the same key
05:11:31 <elliott> because autoexplore is all
05:11:35 <elliott> find everything
05:11:35 <monqy> and make sure that key is spacebar
05:11:37 <elliott> and i was trying to be
05:11:38 <elliott> find stairs
05:11:39 <monqy> and hit spacebar
05:11:40 <monqy> a lot
05:11:46 <monqy> also put other things on spacebar
05:11:52 <elliott> monqy "speaking from personal experience"
05:12:00 <elliott> is "other things" a euphemism for "a giant lua macro"
05:12:07 <monqy> if you want it to be!
05:12:29 <monqy> if i was serious about winning my macro would be smaller or better
05:12:54 <monqy> but I prefer crazy
05:13:24 <elliott> oh
05:13:28 <elliott> i was expecting that kobold to be angrier
05:13:35 <monqy> kobolds aren't very angry
05:13:41 <elliott> are goliath beetli
05:13:48 <Patashu> goliath beetles are sloooow
05:13:50 <Patashu> but they hit for like all your hp
05:13:54 <monqy> they're slow but hit kind of hard?? just don;'t keymash into them
05:14:07 <elliott> ill just wait to not be exh
05:14:08 <elliott> then
05:14:09 <elliott> berk
05:14:09 <elliott> it
05:14:14 <elliott> this is my strategy for everything btw
05:14:18 <Patashu> that's a bad strategy
05:14:22 <monqy> you can hit 5 to be less exh
05:14:24 <Patashu> you can kill it and take 0 damage with hack and back
05:14:28 <monqy> but that's boring
05:14:47 <Patashu> dying to goliath bettles is boring-er
05:14:48 <Patashu> same for worms
05:14:54 <elliott> suddenly i agree with patashu
05:14:58 <zzo38> Is it possible to win at Crawl without ever advancing an experience level?
05:15:04 <monqy> one solution to goliath beatles: dont fight them
05:15:10 <monqy> zzo38: no
05:15:20 <elliott> whoah
05:15:27 <monqy> that's "keymashing into them"
05:15:32 <elliott> whoops
05:15:36 <elliott> i learned a lesson today
05:15:39 <monqy> zzo38: well, maybe with absolutely insane luck manipulation, but then I don't know
05:15:39 <elliott> (my first crawl lesson)
05:15:40 <zzo38> monqy: In ADOM it is possible; someone won an ultra ending with only one experience point in total (which is not enough to advance a level).
05:15:48 <Patashu> zzo38: you would need insane luck manipulation
05:15:49 <elliott> ok um
05:15:50 <elliott> im trying again
05:17:00 <zzo38> Patashu: OK
05:17:22 <elliott> monqy: how come kobolds can like
05:17:26 <elliott> throw across insane curves
05:17:28 <Patashu> there's technically nothing stopping you
05:17:33 <Patashu> since the runes and orb are on the ground
05:17:38 <Patashu> except there'll be thousands of enemies in your way
05:17:38 <monqy> elliott: insane curves?
05:17:42 <elliott> like
05:17:47 <elliott> im around the corner from them completely
05:17:47 <Patashu> and you don't start with enough escape resources nor will you find enough
05:17:49 <elliott> and they just hit me anyway
05:17:56 <Patashu> also, if you can see a monster it can hit you
05:17:57 <Patashu> and vice versa
05:18:01 <elliott> yes thats
05:18:03 <Patashu> (well, ignoring things like glass)
05:18:03 <monqy> elliott: they're approximations of plain ol euclidean lines
05:18:04 <elliott> not
05:18:07 <elliott> it doesnt make sense ;(
05:18:08 <monqy> elliott: its dumb
05:18:12 <monqy> elliott: :'[
05:18:14 <elliott> monqy: yeah but
05:18:17 <elliott> you cant throw curves like that irl
05:18:21 <elliott> its like
05:18:23 <elliott> going forward a ton
05:18:25 <monqy> they're bad approximations
05:18:25 <elliott> and then randomly decides to bend
05:18:37 <elliott> btw uh
05:18:41 <Patashu> in crawl, the field of vision model is that you can project a line from anywhere within your tile to anywhere in the other tile
05:18:43 <elliott> do i need to care about whether i increase str int or dex
05:18:43 <Patashu> and that counts as being in LOS
05:18:50 <zzo38> Can you, scare someone away, teleport in different places, get a lot of defense, etc
05:18:52 <monqy> ther'es a certain tension between realism and crawl isn't real life, and in crawl it ends with everyone being upset
05:18:53 <Patashu> also, int if you plan on casting spells (you don't)
05:19:01 <Patashu> zzo38: you can do all of those things
05:19:05 <monqy> elliott: go dex on kobe probably?
05:19:07 <Patashu> but you can't do them enough without levels or a shitload of comestibles
05:19:11 <elliott> monqy: ok
05:19:15 <elliott> ive never increeased dex before
05:19:17 <elliott> "a firste for me"
05:19:41 <monqy> str would be for armours and you're probably as kobe doing more a dodgey route. you already have enough str for any armour you'd want to use
05:19:57 <elliott> oh goodness gracious
05:20:10 <monqy> oh no what did you do
05:20:11 <elliott> i'm a really bad player
05:20:23 <zzo38> elliott: Then you must learn......
05:20:27 <Patashu> zzo38: the thing about crawl that's different from most roguelikes is that 'teleportation' takes a few turns to activate
05:20:34 <Patashu> and during those few turns you're pretty vulnerable to whatever's in your line of sight
05:20:53 <monqy> "pretty vulnerable" just as vulnerable as usual
05:21:01 <monqy> you can do stuff while waiting to teleport
05:21:05 <monqy> like heal, run away, etc
05:21:12 <Patashu> there's a teleport control status, but certain levels (like zot:5) prevent it from working, too
05:21:15 <elliott> monqy: didnt you say trog had magic abilities
05:21:15 <elliott> or sth
05:21:26 <monqy> elliott: you only have enougjh piety for berk
05:21:27 <Patashu> while theoretically you could teleport-dance to get three runes the orb and leave you can't really do it enough and reliably enough
05:21:32 <Patashu> oh, and when you have the orb that disables ctele too
05:21:33 <elliott> monqy: im exh
05:21:37 <monqy> elliott: woops
05:21:38 <zzo38> Is it possible to win at Crawl with a small inventory weight limit
05:21:45 <elliott> monqy: is this the part where i die
05:21:53 <monqy> elliott: do you have potieon
05:21:58 <elliott> yes
05:22:02 <monqy> you could randomly try one of those
05:22:04 <monqy> hope it's curing
05:22:09 <elliott> wrong poteion
05:22:12 <monqy> woops
05:22:14 <elliott> not potable enough
05:22:18 <zzo38> (In ADOM, someone has once won with the weight limit being no more than one chaos orb, meaning you have to place each orb individually)
05:22:25 <elliott> whoah
05:22:27 <elliott> this is a new level design
05:22:28 <Patashu> yeah, ADOM has crazy amounts of exploits, I've read
05:22:36 <Patashu> like where you teleport to the rooms in darkforge full of pools weapons and armour
05:22:43 <Patashu> and get everything you need to be unnecessarily powerful
05:22:51 <elliott> monqy
05:22:54 <monqy> elliott: crawl has "vaults" which are chunks of predesigned dungeon structure, and "entry vaults" which happen on game start
05:22:54 <elliott> whats that weird circle level thing
05:22:58 <monqy> elliott: that's that
05:23:00 <elliott> ok
05:23:01 <monqy> an entry vault
05:23:08 <elliott> oh how do you offer a corpse thing btw
05:23:11 <elliott> i forgot
05:23:11 <monqy> p
05:23:13 <monqy> for prey
05:23:33 <elliott> thanks
05:23:43 <elliott> is it bad to do it too much
05:23:49 <monqy> no
05:23:53 <Patashu> pray does nothing if there's no corpse under you
05:23:55 <Patashu> doesn't even waste a turn
05:24:03 <elliott> i mean when there is
05:24:04 <monqy> worst that can happen is you pray away the corpses you want to eat and run out of food "rip"
05:24:21 <monqy> i forget if praying with a corpse under you costs a turn
05:24:25 <Patashu> it does
05:24:26 <monqy> if it does i guess that could be bad in combat
05:24:35 <monqy> but otherwise it's strictly beneficial
05:24:45 <zzo38> Patashu: I know, ADOM has a lot of these things; it has the "uberjackal" effect which many people hate but I think it is not strong enough
05:25:00 <monqy> if you don't need the corpse or turn for something else: pray is stricktly good
05:25:40 <zzo38> And you can win without ever entering Darkforge, even. You could also win by entering only the tower of flames and the main dungeon
05:26:04 <zzo38> (I have found where the world map is stored in the executable, and edit it; it is not difficult to do)
05:26:27 <zzo38> (For example, to restrict certain areas of the game)
05:26:50 <Patashu> You should try crawl, zzo38
05:27:08 <zzo38> Patashu: I have played Crawl too
05:27:16 <zzo38> And I do have it on my computer
05:27:26 <monqy> what crawl is this
05:27:32 <Patashu> Have you beaten it?
05:27:35 <monqy> you seem like the sort of person who would play ancient crawl
05:27:51 <elliott> augh
05:27:52 <elliott> why the orcs
05:27:54 <elliott> it's always the orcs
05:28:03 <monqy> you're probably a bit too early for an orc warrior
05:28:10 <monqy> if you don't get away it will kill you
05:28:11 <elliott> but berk!!
05:28:14 <elliott> uh
05:28:15 <elliott> it killed me
05:28:16 <monqy> and if it has a polearm it will kill you from afar
05:28:17 <elliott> in the past
05:28:23 <elliott> it used an orcish halberd :(
05:28:26 <monqy> :(
05:29:06 <elliott> i feel like im
05:29:11 <elliott> playing more properly now though
05:29:13 <elliott> even if i am dying a lot
05:29:15 <elliott> ok im going
05:29:16 <elliott> again
05:29:19 <elliott> btw
05:29:20 <elliott> They say that the Orb of Zot exists deep, deep down but nobody ever got it.
05:29:23 <elliott> this is the worst opening sentence ever
05:29:30 <Patashu> like you read opening sentences
05:29:31 <elliott> but nobody ever got it??? are you fucking kidding me
05:29:37 <monqy> elliott: it's not the worst
05:29:41 <elliott> what's the worst
05:29:45 <monqy> elliott: amazingly there's one that's even better
05:29:48 <monqy> at being bad
05:29:50 <monqy> i love it
05:29:50 <monqy> let me find it
05:29:54 <elliott> im wait
05:30:20 <monqy> The bosom of this dungeon contains the most powerful artefact, the Orb of Zot.
05:30:32 <monqy> oh it's not as great as i remember it:(
05:30:38 <monqy> rip
05:30:41 <elliott> i
05:30:57 <elliott> oops
05:31:44 <monqy> also maybe you are diving a bit too quickly?? maybe dive to d:3 then find something difficult to get a level or two off of before going further??
05:31:54 <monqy> or go further and if you see anything too difficult run away
05:32:01 <monqy> and go back up and level up
05:32:11 <elliott> that's probably
05:32:11 <elliott> a good idea
05:32:30 <elliott> i think my main problem though is that
05:32:31 <elliott> i'm bad
05:32:32 <elliott> at games
05:32:35 <monqy> oh
05:32:50 <elliott> and im not sure
05:32:51 <elliott> why
05:33:08 <Patashu> possibly impatience
05:33:13 <Patashu> possibly you're bad at them because you don't play them enough
05:33:18 <elliott> i feel like monqy was just treating my badness as a crawl-specific thing and is now giving up on me
05:33:21 <elliott> :'(
05:33:38 <monqy> im not giv up
05:33:41 <elliott> case in point
05:33:42 <monqy> but uh
05:33:44 <monqy> what happened there
05:33:47 <elliott> i have no idea
05:33:49 <elliott> oh i got pois
05:33:51 <monqy> i wasn't watching
05:33:53 <elliott> and died while uh
05:33:55 <elliott> running away
05:33:57 <monqy> woops
05:34:02 <zzo38> Which roguelike games are designed to be impossible to win at?
05:34:06 <Patashu> IVAN
05:34:07 <elliott> i think it mostly is impatience though because uh
05:34:09 <elliott> im impateitnt
05:34:11 <elliott> monqy: btw i found vagrant
05:34:22 <monqy> is smart kobold winnable? I've never tried
05:34:27 <monqy> vagrant!!
05:34:30 <elliott> but uh my problem is basically
05:34:36 <elliott> when nothing much ish appening i go too fast because
05:34:42 <elliott> its really boring to consider every little thing that i know will be fine
05:34:46 <elliott> but then i get into trouble and dont realise it
05:34:47 <elliott> until im ded
05:34:52 <elliott> i think this is
05:34:54 <elliott> a common problem
05:35:00 <monqy> it's a crawl problem
05:35:00 <Patashu> that's why crawl has tedium-reducing buttons
05:35:05 <Patashu> like o, tab, G, x X and so on
05:35:14 <elliott> monqy: its kind of nethack problem too for me
05:35:15 <Patashu> my main crawl loop is
05:35:20 <Patashu> 1. hit o or G enter
05:35:20 <monqy> i dont play nethack so
05:35:26 <Patashu> 2. is the thing that has appeared difficult?
05:35:27 <monqy> i wouldnt know if its a nethack problem
05:35:30 <Patashu> 3. no? tab tab tab or cast cast cast
05:35:31 <elliott> well nethack is a lot less boring because the maps are a lot smaller and stuff but
05:35:39 <elliott> there's a lot of monsters that are really easy to dispose of
05:35:44 <Patashu> 4. else goto tactics core
05:35:45 <monqy> i used to play nethack a little bit but i stopped
05:35:45 <Patashu> 5. goto 1
05:35:56 <monqy> i was unspoiled
05:36:05 <monqy> and i didn';t want to bother with spoilers because yawn
05:36:11 <monqy> i knew about elbereth but never used it
05:36:19 <Patashu> the other thing you need is a strong early game so you figure out what your resources are and get a strong attack quickly
05:36:27 <elliott> a lot of the variants nerf elbereth because
05:36:28 <Patashu> if you're a melee character, pump the type of weapon you're using, and look for strong weapons of that kind
05:36:33 <elliott> you can just spam it forever
05:36:36 <monqy> i think the furthest i got is it was time to do the quest or something and i couldn't figure out how
05:36:39 <monqy> so i quit my game
05:36:40 <monqy> rip
05:36:41 <Patashu> if you're a spellcaster, pump the kind of spell you're using (+ spellcasting if you need to reduce your hunger, e.g. spriggan)
05:36:52 <Patashu> the other thing to do is play the id game properly
05:37:02 <elliott> i like how
05:37:03 <Patashu> how I do it is wait until I have a bunch of scrolls, then start reading them
05:37:05 <elliott> crawl says
05:37:07 <elliott> (ye/n/q/i?)
05:37:09 <elliott> like
05:37:11 <Patashu> if I'm prompted to select an item, it's either identify, enchant armour or recharging
05:37:12 <elliott> the e on the y
05:37:14 <elliott> is there for no reason whatsoever
05:37:18 <elliott> they're just
05:37:19 <Patashu> once I have id, I use it on all my potions
05:37:20 <elliott> wanna eat this?
05:37:21 <elliott> ye
05:37:24 <monqy> the e is for e
05:37:27 <Patashu> (you do it that way because there are more dangerous potions than dangerous scrolls)
05:37:28 <monqy> you can use e or y to confirm eating
05:37:33 <elliott> Patashu: this sounds REALLY BORING
05:37:35 <elliott> monqy: oh
05:37:38 <elliott> i thought it was
05:37:38 <elliott> for YEs
05:37:47 <elliott> youve ruined it for me now but ON THE OTHER HAND thats convenient
05:37:51 <monqy> elliott: identification in crawl is boring
05:38:06 <monqy> i dont know what Patashu said but
05:38:07 <elliott> how many times have you won crawl btw im just curious
05:38:17 <Patashu> elliott: the early game only lasts until about D:5 thankfully
05:38:19 <Patashu> me? 3 times so far
05:38:21 <monqy> i someohw won it 17 times before getting sick of it
05:38:25 <monqy> i dont know how
05:38:36 <elliott> thats a many time
05:38:45 <elliott> i guess its easier to win than nethack
05:38:50 <Patashu> I think it is
05:38:54 <elliott> because
05:38:54 <Patashu> nethack is easier if you're really, really spoiled though
05:38:55 <Patashu> (I think)
05:39:01 <elliott> winning nethack 17 times would be pr ETTY imrpresive
05:39:03 <monqy> some people think it iss, some people think it isntt
05:39:14 <elliott> but then monqy could be relaly good i wouldnnt know ive never seen monqy play
05:39:17 <elliott> just lua
05:39:19 <monqy> people have won crawl hunderetds of times
05:39:30 <elliott> did u see my wit there
05:39:31 <monqy> i used to be pretty good but then i got sick of it
05:39:35 <monqy> ye :(
05:39:54 <Patashu> btw, monqy, have you played brogue yet
05:39:56 <monqy> yeah
05:40:03 <monqy> i liked it until i got sick of it too
05:40:03 <elliott> i was asking ais whether brougre is good
05:40:04 <elliott> is it good
05:40:06 <Patashu> have you beaten it
05:40:07 <Patashu> I still haven't
05:40:14 <Patashu> brogue? yeah it's good
05:40:16 <Patashu> it's tough though
05:40:18 <monqy> no :( i got to like the level before the last as my best
05:40:30 <elliott> whats brouge like
05:40:32 <monqy> i won doomrl a good few times before getting sick of it too
05:40:32 <elliott> it isl ike rouge
05:40:34 <elliott> *is it
05:40:36 <monqy> brogue is another roguelike
05:40:42 <elliott> i gathered
05:40:43 <elliott> that much
05:40:43 <monqy> it's like rogue but it has a b in front
05:40:53 <Patashu> brogue is
05:40:54 <elliott> thanks
05:40:54 <Patashu> I dunno how to explain it
05:40:58 <Patashu> but it's full of gas you can set on fire
05:41:00 <Patashu> bridges you can set on fire
05:41:05 <Patashu> and in general you should set fire to things whenever possible
05:41:07 <zzo38> I have many ideas to make up a roguelike game. One is that each kind of creature and each class has two numeric values associated with it called "experience factor" and "score factor", neither of which affect NPCs. Also that inactive areas are stored to disk instead of memory, that experience points are mostly earned from quests and other unique things, that tactics to save time are important, many kinds of spells/items, etc
05:41:11 <Patashu> (preferably while not in it)
05:41:12 <elliott> that sounds
05:41:12 <elliott> good
05:41:28 <elliott> monqy: im doing what you said
05:41:29 <elliott> by the way
05:41:34 <elliott> because im responsible
05:41:40 <elliott> oops
05:41:41 <elliott> im pois
05:41:47 <zzo38> I don't know what is your opinion of some of my ideas for roguelike games
05:41:50 <monqy> just rest it off maybe?
05:41:53 <Patashu> rest it off
05:41:55 <Patashu> if you're about to die
05:41:55 <Patashu> quaff whatever kind of potion you have the most of
05:41:56 <monqy> if you get too low on hp you can try your potions
05:41:59 <Patashu> (it'll probably be curing or heal wounds)
05:42:07 <elliott> i cant rest it off
05:42:09 <elliott> i press 5 and
05:42:09 <monqy> alternatively start reading scrolls for identify and start the identification game right now
05:42:11 <elliott> i keep being more ded
05:42:14 <monqy> no
05:42:17 <elliott> yay i won
05:42:19 <elliott> the potion gamble
05:42:27 <monqy> 5 just pauses when you lose hp from pois
05:42:28 <Patashu> also, yes
05:42:30 <monqy> because it's dumb
05:42:30 <Patashu> read all your scrolls
05:42:33 <elliott> monqy: thats
05:42:35 <elliott> dum
05:42:38 <monqy> where by dumb i mean
05:42:44 <elliott> oh god damn im pois again
05:43:04 <elliott> is resting off by
05:43:06 <elliott> pressing . a lot
05:43:06 <monqy> annoying but sometimes lifesaving? like it's just annoying if you're high hp and if you're low hp it should be pausing on hp loss anyway so yeah it's just dumb
05:43:10 <monqy> :(
05:43:13 <monqy> 5 is better than .
05:43:16 <elliott> but
05:43:18 <elliott> you said it just poises
05:43:18 <monqy> just hit 5 multiple times
05:43:19 <elliott> erm
05:43:20 <elliott> pauses
05:43:22 <elliott> ok
05:43:29 <elliott> oh i see
05:43:31 <monqy> also now you got trog's hand!! congratulatiosn1!!
05:43:33 <zzo38> Patashu: When I am playing KING game I usually only quaff a potion I have more than one of if it is unidentified, however, in KING, all potions are equally likely to appear
05:43:43 <elliott> i dont WANT trogs hand that s DISTUGISTNG its all BLOODIED STUMpe
05:43:49 <elliott> what
05:43:50 <monqy> grosss
05:43:54 <monqy> you lost trogs hand
05:44:00 <elliott> good!!!
05:44:02 <monqy> you lose piety over time and you went below the trogs hand threshhold
05:44:03 <Patashu> also
05:44:06 <Patashu> trog's hand is incredibly good
05:44:22 <elliott> i jumped down thru shaft
05:44:42 <monqy> shafts can take you down up to 3 levels i think? and you cant go back up them so
05:44:43 <elliott> wont get fooled again!!!!
05:44:47 <monqy> only use for escape or SERIOUS DIVING
05:44:53 <elliott> they uh
05:44:53 <monqy> are you serious about your diving
05:44:55 <elliott> went just down one level
05:44:55 <elliott> so uh
05:44:59 <monqy> it's randomize
05:45:03 <elliott> i guess my joking diving...
05:45:06 <elliott> gave me the LAST LAUGH
05:45:19 <elliott> oh boy
05:45:24 <monqy> also it might be good to
05:45:27 <zzo38> There is a review of my KING game which says that the game is good in general but things such as, even after you identify a potion it still might be difficult to understand, for example a potion of Regenerate will regenerate the level, not your health.
05:45:30 <monqy> rest off exh before exploring
05:45:30 <monqy> in case you need to berk
05:45:41 <monqy> or you could backpedal until exh goes away if you ned to berk
05:45:45 <monqy> also you don't need to berk everything
05:45:51 <elliott> i thought i died to one of those before
05:45:53 <elliott> so i
05:45:54 <elliott> played it safe
05:45:55 <monqy> oh
05:46:01 <monqy> also also also oh i forgot what i was going to say drat
05:46:10 <elliott> this game is not that bad really
05:46:13 <monqy> rest off slow definitely
05:46:15 <monqy> and to full hp
05:46:39 <elliott> i love meat ration
05:46:55 <elliott> i love traps and doors
05:47:17 <elliott> does being very full or jjjorijtiorjtojrtijrotjritjroijtoirjtoirjtoirjtoirjtiorjtirojt thingy
05:47:19 <elliott> have any disadvantages
05:47:31 <monqy> only really weird things like
05:47:40 <monqy> not being able to eat a royal jelly to restore your stats
05:47:46 <elliott> in nethack im all
05:47:51 <elliott> really careful about keeping at right level of hunger
05:47:54 <elliott> but in crawl im all
05:47:55 <elliott> eat everything
05:48:12 <monqy> if you eat too much permanent food you won't have any for later
05:48:17 <monqy> assuming you get later
05:48:20 <elliott> wh
05:48:21 <Patashu> don't eat permafood
05:48:24 <Patashu> unless you're about to starve
05:48:29 <elliott> w,h,
05:48:33 <monqy> should proably trogshand&berk yuor ghost
05:48:38 <elliott> how do i trogs hand
05:48:41 <Patashu> ab
05:48:41 <monqy> a b
05:48:49 <monqy> dont berk from far away
05:48:57 <monqy> you lose berk duration quickly when walking
05:48:58 <Patashu> btw
05:48:59 <elliott> yeah that was a last minute oopse
05:49:00 <elliott> but uh
05:49:01 <Patashu> why is it that in roguelike
05:49:03 <elliott> that paid off
05:49:05 <Patashu> people use circles expecting them to be circles
05:49:11 <Patashu> but they should use squares instead
05:49:16 <elliott> squarelos
05:49:20 <monqy> Patashu: nobody knows
05:49:23 <Sgeo> Wait, how id elliott manage to find elliott's ghost?
05:49:30 <elliott> im clairvoynt
05:49:33 <Patashu> I think it's more likely to pick ghosts of people who have died lately
05:49:35 <monqy> Patashu: were you around for the squarelos branch? in which square los was implemented
05:49:37 <Patashu> and elliott has died a lot lately
05:49:39 <Patashu> monqy: no
05:49:42 <monqy> Patashu: and erocrawl, in which square los was implemented
05:49:48 <monqy> Patashu: some of the devs (kilobyte) don't like it
05:49:51 <elliott> Patashu: wow RUDE!!!
05:49:56 <elliott> is Patashu watching me
05:49:59 <Patashu> no
05:50:00 <Patashu> should I be?
05:50:03 <elliott> absolutely
05:50:06 <elliott> im a bag of laughter
05:50:06 <Patashu> cool
05:50:06 <Patashu> cao?
05:50:07 <elliott> and a can of fun
05:50:09 <elliott> no
05:50:09 <elliott> cdo
05:50:10 <elliott> because
05:50:15 <elliott> moqny is cdo
05:50:18 <Patashu> oh ok
05:50:20 <elliott> *monquay
05:50:21 <Patashu> maybe cdo has its own ghosts
05:50:31 <monqy> cao has cao ghosts and cdo has cdo ghosts
05:50:32 <Patashu> stop running around slowed
05:50:32 <Patashu> for one
05:50:35 <elliott> i like the part where slow + exh + worm
05:50:37 <Patashu> now you can't hack and back that worm
05:50:38 <monqy> yeah i said to rest off slow!!
05:50:42 <elliott> yeah i just
05:50:43 <elliott> didnt notice
05:50:45 <Patashu> ok
05:50:47 <Patashu> now you can hack and back it
05:50:48 <monqy> hack and back is the dumbest
05:50:53 <Patashu> or that
05:50:58 <monqy> you have enoiough hp to just hit it, don't even need berk
05:51:01 <elliott> brb one
05:51:01 <elliott> second
05:51:02 <monqy> if it gets you low, run away
05:51:03 <elliott> monqy: yeah but
05:51:03 <Sgeo> hack and back?
05:51:05 <elliott> im scared of worms
05:51:06 <elliott> im scared of
05:51:08 <elliott> quite a few species by now
05:51:10 <Patashu> 1) wait for it to step next to you
05:51:11 <Patashu> 2) hit it
05:51:13 <Patashu> 3) walk back a step
05:51:15 <Patashu> 4) goto 1
05:51:19 <Patashu> works on anything much slower than you
05:51:40 <monqy> at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi"
05:52:03 <Patashu> am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink
05:52:08 <monqy> i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes
05:52:13 <Sgeo> kite?
05:52:16 <Sgeo> And mephitic cloud?
05:52:23 <monqy> don't you play crawl sgeo
05:52:44 <zzo38> Can I use an Either monad transformer on a list monad?
05:52:46 <elliott> `addquote <Sgeo> hack and back? <Patashu> works on anything much slower than you <monqy> at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" <Patashu> am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink <monqy> i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes
05:52:47 <Sgeo> Not much
05:52:49 <HackEgo> 844) <Sgeo> hack and back? <Patashu> works on anything much slower than you <monqy> at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" <Patashu> am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink <monqy> i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes
05:53:14 <zzo38> And if so, will it do what I am trying?
05:53:16 <elliott> whoops
05:53:23 <elliott> holy shit
05:53:23 <Patashu> huh
05:53:25 <Patashu> what vault is this
05:53:26 <Patashu> that's full of humans
05:53:29 <zzo38> elliott: Oops you typed it backwards!!!!!!
05:53:30 <monqy> elliott: perhaps a few too many things to be berking
05:53:38 <monqy> elliott: you might run out of berk and be slowed in fron of them all
05:53:39 <Patashu> ps
05:53:41 <monqy> Patashu: sword in stone
05:53:42 <elliott> how fast are humans
05:53:42 <Patashu> you can't run from things while slowed
05:53:48 <elliott> fuque
05:53:49 <Patashu> faster than you are right now
05:53:55 <elliott> uhhhhhhh
05:53:59 <elliott> how good is trogs hand
05:53:59 <Patashu> do you have any id'd potions/scrolls
05:54:01 <elliott> at situations
05:54:02 <Patashu> not that good
05:54:02 <elliott> like this
05:54:11 <elliott> is there any level of good that can help me now
05:54:13 <Patashu> the regen is like 1 hp/turn or so
05:54:14 <Patashu> well
05:54:14 <elliott> btw monqy
05:54:18 <Patashu> do you have any id'd scrolls/potions
05:54:18 <elliott> i berked when there was only one human
05:54:21 <elliott> no
05:54:21 <monqy> it's more than 1hp per tern isnt it
05:54:23 <elliott> well
05:54:24 <elliott> yes
05:54:27 <elliott> i have a potion of heal me up
05:54:34 <zzo38> If your character is human then they may be as fast as you I suppose, so you can run away at the same speed they are running, I suppose, I would think. But if your character not human then consider something else
05:54:43 <elliott> zzo38: im david slowed though
05:54:44 <monqy> elliott: generally if you'r ein unexplored territory you should see if there's something you can't see or back way intpo exoplorded tarretory if you can
05:54:52 <monqy> elliott: anyway you can probably survive this
05:54:59 <elliott> news to me
05:55:02 <elliott> i cant run
05:55:03 <elliott> sooo
05:55:04 <Patashu> trog's hand and hit it
05:55:05 <Patashu> since you can't run
05:55:08 <Patashu> use the potion of heal wounds to heal
05:55:14 <elliott> there's a trap, could i maybe run to trap, just asking
05:55:22 <Patashu> uh
05:55:23 <monqy> you can run it just won't get you away from the human. it will hit you but less frequently
05:55:24 <Patashu> that might work yeah
05:55:31 <monqy> you cant get to the trap
05:55:34 <monqy> it's enclosed in walls
05:55:37 <Patashu> btw, I just thought of something
05:55:37 <elliott> oh
05:55:40 <monqy> it's sword in stone vault
05:55:40 <Patashu> has elliot been bothering to upgrade armour
05:55:42 <Patashu> from that animal skin
05:55:44 <elliott> no
05:55:47 <Patashu> ok
05:55:51 <elliott> ok uhhh
05:55:53 <elliott> trogs hand here we go
05:55:55 <elliott> should i move before doing that
05:55:59 <elliott> or is here as good a place as any
05:56:01 <Patashu> hand
05:56:03 <monqy> sure trogs hand
05:56:13 <elliott> is that a no then
05:56:18 <monqy> hand hand
05:56:21 <Patashu> lol
05:56:31 <elliott> this isnt working
05:56:33 <Patashu> lol
05:56:35 <Patashu> quaff healing
05:56:36 <monqy> wha y are you attacking
05:56:40 <Patashu> also, what monqy said
05:56:42 <elliott> um because
05:56:43 <monqy> quaff heal woulds
05:56:46 <monqy> heal woudls
05:56:47 <elliott> 06:55 <Patashu> trog's hand and hit it
05:56:50 <monqy> heal dwouldnbgf
05:56:50 <elliott> ~blame patashu~
05:56:52 <Patashu> I said that?
05:56:53 <Patashu> oops
05:56:54 <monqy> Patashu: blam
05:56:56 <Patashu> well I shouldn't have should I
05:56:56 <elliott> i dont have heal wounds
05:56:59 <elliott> i have curing though
05:57:01 <monqy> oh
05:57:02 <elliott> sorry if
05:57:04 <elliott> "heal me up" was ambiguous
05:57:07 <monqy> curing mayb
05:57:12 <Patashu> curing is good enough at low levels
05:57:13 <zzo38> elliott: Do you have "heal woulds"?
05:57:13 <elliott> ok that helped a BIT
05:57:19 <elliott> zzo38: oops no :(
05:57:21 <elliott> im double bad
05:57:21 <Patashu> I don't have any woulds that need healing
05:57:22 <elliott> ok um
05:57:24 <elliott> should i stop hitting it
05:57:26 <Patashu> probably
05:57:28 <monqy> probably
05:57:31 <elliott> should i just
05:57:33 <elliott> run randomly
05:57:33 <Patashu> yep
05:57:36 <Patashu> no run to the trap
05:57:39 <elliott> monqy said
05:57:40 <monqy> no it wont work
05:57:40 <Patashu> it should be tele
05:57:41 <elliott> its ecnlsoed in walls
05:57:42 <Patashu> oh
05:57:43 <Patashu> ooh
05:57:44 <monqy> its behind walls
05:57:45 <Patashu> idk then
05:57:49 <monqy> backpedaling will reducce the frequency at which the human hits you
05:57:49 <Patashu> probably run nw
05:57:57 <monqy> you can recast trogs hand once it expires
05:58:03 <monqy> aim for a staircase you can go up
05:58:06 <elliott> ok
05:58:14 <monqy> then you will only have things that are adjacent to you to worry about
05:58:16 <Patashu> haha
05:58:17 <elliott> uhhhhhhhhh
05:58:20 <monqy> and you can maybe berkem by then
05:58:22 <monqy> oh no
05:58:32 <elliott> i cant really aim for anything
05:58:34 <elliott> but i can run at random
05:58:35 <Patashu> you're fucked
05:58:38 <Patashu> quit and start over
05:58:39 <elliott> also uh
05:58:41 <elliott> oh did trogs hand run out
05:58:44 <monqy> yes
05:58:54 <monqy> rest peacefulyl
05:59:02 <Patashu> look at all that shit you had
05:59:11 <elliott> welp time to
05:59:13 <elliott> ±TREY AGAIN±
05:59:17 <elliott> WHOAH
05:59:18 <elliott> lrava
05:59:20 <elliott> *lval
05:59:26 <elliott> b.t.w
05:59:28 <elliott> how do you call up message history
05:59:30 <elliott> it not ctrl+p
05:59:31 <Patashu> wtf
05:59:35 <monqy> it ctrl p
05:59:35 <Patashu> that is the worst entry vault I've ever seen
05:59:38 <Patashu> it is ctrl+p btw
05:59:44 <monqy> Patashu: there's a kobold with disperasal darts
05:59:45 <elliott> oh so it is
05:59:45 <Patashu> see
05:59:47 <Patashu> oh
05:59:47 <monqy> Patashu: and a secret door i think
05:59:48 <Patashu> lmao
05:59:49 <Patashu> still awfuil
05:59:50 <monqy> Patashu: but yeah it's bad
05:59:50 <Patashu> anyway
05:59:51 <Patashu> do this
05:59:52 <Patashu> hit m
05:59:58 <Patashu> turn off everything except maces and flails
06:00:03 <elliott> im dont do anything patashu says after latst time without monqy confirmation
06:00:09 <Patashu> fine by me
06:00:25 <Patashu> anyway the reason why you do that is
06:00:29 <Patashu> more m&f = lower weapon delay
06:00:29 <monqy> maybe identify stuff if youre ok with that sort of thing. generally the thing to do is read scrolls to identify them and use id scrolls on potions, since bad scrolls arent so bad but bad potions are real badlike
06:00:36 <Patashu> lower weapon delay = you get hit less because you hit more faster like
06:00:40 <Patashu> so it's the best thing to raise early on
06:00:52 <elliott> i dont really know HOW to identify stuff :x :x :x
06:00:54 <monqy> i dunno if you're at a learning point at which you should bother with skills
06:00:54 <elliott> this game is so different
06:00:56 <Patashu> that's ok
06:00:57 <Patashu> step 1 is
06:00:57 <elliott> to everything i know
06:00:57 <monqy> elliott: just use them
06:00:58 <Patashu> get stuff to id
06:01:04 <elliott> ok
06:01:12 <elliott> uhhhhh
06:01:14 <Patashu> hit s
06:01:14 <Patashu> a lot
06:01:16 <Patashu> I guess
06:01:20 <Patashu> there
06:01:20 <Patashu> lol
06:01:20 <elliott> a lot = once
06:01:23 <Sgeo> elliott, read-iding works with many scrolls, although id/enchant armor/recharge it would be useful with spoilers
06:01:45 <Patashu> haha
06:01:47 <Patashu> death by giant gecko
06:01:48 <elliott> this is what happens when i spam tab
06:01:56 <Patashu> lucky
06:01:56 <monqy> you werent in a chokke pont
06:02:04 <elliott> chokke pont
06:02:08 <Patashu> giant gecko is like
06:02:12 <Patashu> the only tough monster on D:1
06:02:14 <Patashu> (it's faster than you!)
06:02:15 <monqy> elliott: it wouldn't hurt to do the skill thing where you disable everything but m&f for aw hile but ehh
06:02:18 <Sgeo> elliott, basically, scrolls that can be used on items are either ID or enchant armor or recharge
06:02:23 <elliott> monqy: ok ill do it
06:02:24 <monqy> elliott: if you want to: hit m to open the skille menu
06:02:27 <Sgeo> One of the tutorials actually goes through that
06:02:44 <elliott> there is no m though
06:02:46 <monqy> u disabled maces and flal
06:02:46 <elliott> oh is that b
06:02:51 <monqy> y
06:02:52 <monqy> e
06:02:58 <elliott> do i want to
06:02:59 <elliott> asterisk them
06:03:07 <Patashu> doesn't matter if you're only training one thing
06:03:10 <monqy> asteris makes them train faster relative to ther skills you have on
06:03:13 <Patashu> * means 'disproprtionately train this'
06:03:14 <elliott> im training two thing
06:03:17 <elliott> ok i guess ill leave it
06:03:18 <elliott> like that
06:03:20 <monqy> disab dodg
06:03:26 <elliott> but
06:03:27 <elliott> oh
06:03:28 <elliott> m&f isnt
06:03:28 <Patashu> turn off everything that isn't m&f
06:03:30 <elliott> the letters m and f
06:03:30 <elliott> ok
06:03:32 <Patashu> no
06:03:32 <Patashu> lol
06:03:36 <elliott> i was
06:03:36 <elliott> confuse
06:03:37 <monqy> also you may want to switch to manual mode it doesnt mater when youre only training one thing
06:03:44 <Sgeo> manual mode?
06:03:50 <Sgeo> I do not understand the m screen at all
06:03:50 <monqy> Sgeo: don't you play crawl?
06:04:06 <elliott> holy shit
06:04:08 <elliott> that was long corridor
06:04:15 <Patashu> D:1 is always full of long corridors
06:04:17 <Sgeo> monqy, not much
06:04:44 <monqy> you always seem so enthusiastic about it
06:04:51 <monqy> talking about xom and stuff
06:05:05 <Patashu> btw, if you see any gloves, helmets, hats, boots, shields or whatever
06:05:10 <elliott> its like that thing that sgeo knows a lot about but has never played ever i forget what it is
06:05:10 <Patashu> pick them up and wear them (they won't autopickup)
06:05:17 <elliott> Patashu: ok
06:05:18 <elliott> if
06:05:20 <elliott> monqy says ok
06:05:23 <monqy> its ok
06:05:34 <elliott> should i
06:05:35 <Sgeo> elliott, hm?
06:05:35 <elliott> try iding things
06:05:39 <elliott> ive got things to id
06:05:41 <monqy> sure
06:05:45 <Patashu> start with the scrolls
06:05:47 <elliott> ok
06:05:52 <elliott> just read em all???
06:05:57 <Sgeo> elliott, NetHack? DF? (Although I would not say I know a lot about either)
06:05:58 <Patashu> read em all
06:05:59 <Patashu> let god sort them out
06:06:05 <Sgeo> DF especially I seem to prefer reading stories over playing
06:06:16 <elliott> uhh
06:06:19 <elliott> it just disappeared
06:06:22 <Patashu> it's id
06:06:23 <Patashu> pick a potion
06:06:24 <monqy> use on which item
06:06:27 <elliott> oh
06:06:30 <elliott> ummm
06:06:32 <elliott> which is best potion
06:06:34 <Patashu> doesn't matter
06:06:35 <Patashu> pick
06:06:35 <monqy> either
06:06:41 <elliott> mutation!
06:06:42 <elliott> exciting
06:06:43 <monqy> mutation is a bad idea
06:06:44 <Patashu> quaff it
06:06:47 <monqy> unless you like bad ideas
06:06:48 <Patashu> totally go for it
06:06:51 <monqy> (bad ideas can be fun)
06:06:51 <Patashu> it makes the early game more exciting
06:06:51 <elliott> what would that
06:06:52 <elliott> do
06:06:54 <Patashu> mutate you
06:06:54 <monqy> ((bad ideas can also be bad))
06:06:57 <elliott> whats
06:06:58 <elliott> that
06:06:59 <elliott> is it like polymorph
06:07:00 <monqy> at this early point it's probably a good idea to quaf it
06:07:02 <Sgeo> elliott, no
06:07:07 <Patashu> mutation makes your life more exciting
06:07:07 <elliott> whats it like
06:07:10 <monqy> quaff it
06:07:11 <elliott> help!!!
06:07:12 <monqy> find out
06:07:15 <elliott> peer pressure
06:07:21 <Patashu> potions of mutation are 100% random
06:07:22 <Sgeo> Mutations are ... could be a resistance. Could be something else
06:07:23 <elliott> i succumb
06:07:25 <monqy> congratulations
06:07:30 <Sgeo> I think
06:07:30 <elliott> what did it do
06:07:32 <Patashu> hit A
06:07:38 <Patashu> lol
06:07:39 <monqy> you got more hp (good), less mp (doesnt matter), and you move slwoly (bad)
06:07:42 <elliott> i dont want to cover ground slowly
06:07:45 <elliott> i want to fast
06:07:48 <elliott> how can i fast
06:07:48 <monqy> too baD!!!
06:07:53 <elliott> PEER PRESSURE!!!!!
06:07:53 <monqy> unmuatte
06:07:56 <monqy> or
06:07:57 <monqy> quit
06:07:58 <elliott> well i
06:07:59 <monqy> and restarr
06:07:59 <elliott> like hp
06:08:01 <elliott> hp is nice
06:08:01 <elliott> so
06:08:03 <monqy> or
06:08:04 <elliott> i can increase fast later
06:08:05 <elliott> right
06:08:06 <monqy> die from being slwo
06:08:12 <monqy> if by increase you mean
06:08:13 <Patashu> you can fix it via a few ways
06:08:14 <Patashu> mutating more
06:08:16 <Patashu> quaffing cure mutation
06:08:17 <Patashu> etc
06:08:20 <monqy> boots of run
06:08:21 <elliott> but
06:08:22 <elliott> um
06:08:26 <elliott> ok how do i unmuatte
06:08:36 <monqy> potion of cure mutatiosn, zin, jiyva
06:08:36 <Patashu> you'll find it l8r
06:08:38 <elliott> + & also y r u peer pressuring jerks
06:08:48 <Patashu> id the other potion
06:08:48 <Patashu> btw
06:08:53 <elliott> help nothing appera to
06:08:54 <elliott> hpen
06:08:56 <Sgeo> Don't both Zin and Jiyva suck?
06:08:58 <Patashu> (the scroll that did nothing is either remove curse or amnesia)
06:09:00 <monqy> Sgeo: no
06:09:03 <Sgeo> Well, I've heard worse about Zin
06:09:05 <Patashu> zin sucks for early game
06:09:05 <Sgeo> >.>
06:09:07 <Patashu> is good as a swap for late game
06:09:08 <elliott> can i annotate it
06:09:10 <Patashu> jiyva is fun
06:09:13 <elliott> saying reither mreove curse of aensia
06:09:13 <Patashu> it will auto annotate
06:09:15 <monqy> Sgeo: are you listening to stories from bad people
06:09:17 <elliott> ok
06:09:22 <elliott> aaaah
06:09:23 <Patashu> id the other potion
06:09:23 <elliott> scroll of fear
06:09:31 <elliott> parlys
06:09:32 <monqy> woo paralyssss
06:09:40 <monqy> paralys is abd you can drop it
06:09:44 <elliott> no i
06:09:45 <monqy> d- to drop useles item
06:09:47 <elliott> want to keep it around
06:09:48 <elliott> just in case
06:09:55 <monqy> you cant throw potion
06:09:58 <elliott> oh boy
06:10:00 <elliott> another use on which item
06:10:02 <monqy> you cant dip either
06:10:07 <elliott> i dont care i want o keep it
06:10:07 <monqy> use on the skin
06:10:07 <elliott> just in case
06:10:11 <elliott> i ever need to be paralysde
06:10:15 <monqy> it's either encfhant armour or recharg wand
06:10:18 <monqy> and you dont have any wand
06:10:18 <monqy> so
06:10:22 <elliott> i recharged my animal skin wand
06:10:37 <Sgeo> monqy, with evaporate...
06:10:38 <monqy> also wands dont explod
06:10:41 <monqy> Sgeo: sh
06:10:44 <monqy> Sgeo: shshshh
06:10:46 <monqy> Sgeo: shshshshshshshshssh
06:10:50 <Patashu> he won't learn evaporate
06:10:51 <monqy> Sgeo: also eliots trog
06:10:53 <Patashu> (he worships trog)
06:10:56 <Patashu> (so)
06:10:58 <Sgeo> monqy, oh, right
06:10:58 <monqy> he won't worship evaporate
06:11:00 <monqy> i wont let him
06:11:00 <elliott> is trog the loser god
06:11:07 <monqy> trog doesnt like magic
06:11:09 <Sgeo> elliott, Trog is antimagic
06:11:15 <elliott> aaaaAAAA
06:11:19 <monqy> lure the gnolls into the corridor
06:11:20 <monqy> and berk them
06:11:26 <Patashu> mmm, d:2 gnolls
06:11:27 <elliott> but im held
06:11:29 <Patashu> lmao
06:11:30 <Sgeo> elliott, spellbooks are useful with Trog though
06:11:35 <monqy> does the gnoll have a polearm
06:11:35 <Sgeo> You can make them burst into flame
06:11:38 <monqy> use x to check
06:11:45 <elliott> no jutst a flail
06:11:46 <Patashu> wait for him to walk next to you
06:11:46 <Patashu> and zerk
06:11:47 <monqy> ok try running back again
06:11:52 <elliott> back which way
06:11:53 <elliott> as in
06:11:54 <elliott> up??
06:11:56 <Patashu> one tile away yeah
06:11:56 <elliott> ^
06:11:57 <monqy> yes
06:12:02 <Patashu> now zerk
06:12:10 <Patashu> no
06:12:11 <Patashu> yeah
06:12:13 <Patashu> kill kill kill
06:12:13 <Patashu> lol
06:12:14 <elliott> uhhhh
06:12:19 <elliott> i used my zerk to get out of the net
06:12:21 <Patashu> why
06:12:23 <monqy> the problem with zerking then is you're stuk in the net and berk will expire quickly with you trying to get out of it
06:12:24 <elliott> because
06:12:25 <elliott> you told me to zerk
06:12:27 <Patashu> you can kill things while in a net
06:12:28 <elliott> and i tried to attack it
06:12:29 <Patashu> which was
06:12:31 <Patashu> wai
06:12:31 <elliott> what
06:12:31 <elliott> how
06:12:34 <Patashu> you can't melee while in a net?
06:12:36 <Patashu> I thought you could
06:12:38 <monqy> no
06:12:38 <elliott> patashu
06:12:39 <elliott> i hate you
06:12:40 <elliott> so much
06:12:42 <Patashu> haha
06:12:57 <elliott> dex??
06:12:59 <monqy> ye
06:13:02 <monqy> does the other gnoll have a polearm
06:13:05 <Patashu> nope
06:13:06 <monqy> oh no matter
06:13:09 <elliott> flail
06:13:21 <elliott> do i want net
06:13:24 <Patashu> maybe I'm thinking of
06:13:25 <monqy> no
06:13:27 <monqy> its useles
06:13:27 <Patashu> you can cast -spells- while under a net
06:13:28 <Patashu> what
06:13:29 <Patashu> really?
06:13:31 <Patashu> nets fucking own
06:13:34 <monqy> kobolds cant throw nets
06:13:34 <Patashu> (unless kobolds can't use them?)
06:13:36 <Patashu> what
06:13:36 <Patashu> ok
06:13:40 <monqy> kobolds are too smalle
06:13:42 <elliott> whoo boy
06:13:43 <Patashu> well if you could use it it would be awesome
06:13:43 <Patashu> btw
06:13:47 <elliott> forgot to wait for non-exh
06:13:51 <monqy> dont worry
06:13:53 <Patashu> jackals are chumps
06:13:54 <Patashu> just kill them
06:13:55 <monqy> dont need to berk the jackal
06:13:57 <monqy> ye
06:13:59 <elliott> oh so they are
06:14:02 <elliott> i remember
06:14:02 <Patashu> it's not like they're brogue jackals
06:14:03 <elliott> dying to them a lot
06:14:03 <Patashu> or anything
06:14:22 <monqy> brogue jackals arne't so bad
06:14:35 <Patashu> it's easy to slip and die to them
06:14:41 <monqy> what's annoying is brogue vampire bad packs. not really hard most of the time but augh so annoying
06:14:41 <Patashu> because they spawn in packs on D:3 and move super fast
06:14:46 <monqy> vampire bat packs
06:14:50 <Patashu> yeah vampire bats are worse
06:14:54 <Patashu> but you have darts for them at least
06:15:22 <monqy> brogue ogres can also be a problem early on. brogures
06:15:30 <Patashu> ogres at least you can run away from indefinitely
06:15:33 <elliott> do i want ring mail
06:15:34 <elliott> i remember patashu
06:15:35 <elliott> berating me
06:15:38 <elliott> for not amoure
06:15:42 <zzo38> A monad transformer for Either would be simple: lift = EitherT . fmap Right; join (EitherT x) = EitherT (x >>= either (return . Left) id);
06:15:47 <monqy> dont bother with it right now at least
06:15:49 <elliott> zzo38: its in transformers
06:15:55 <Patashu> I prefer ac builds to ev builds
06:15:59 <Patashu> but I haven't played with them as much
06:16:11 <elliott> whoa its another
06:16:12 <elliott> use on item thing
06:16:18 <monqy> use on wand
06:16:22 <monqy> don't bother with armours until you have your other stuff down
06:16:31 <elliott> i never have my other stuff down
06:16:32 <zzo38> elliott: I didn't see it in transformers
06:16:35 <monqy> and then you rpobalby want a dragon armour or something
06:16:38 <Patashu> btw
06:16:40 <Patashu> rest to full hp
06:17:01 <elliott> zzo38: hmm or was it mtl
06:17:02 <elliott> i forget, sorry
06:17:08 <monqy> maybe could put on leather armour if you found it
06:17:24 <monqy> ring mail hurts a bit more than leather armour so if you want to take baby steps go leather first
06:17:26 <zzo38> elliott: I didn't find it in mtl either; but I looked I found it in the package called EitherT
06:17:27 <elliott> fuckn worms
06:17:35 <elliott> monqy: btw is there an equivalent of nethack ant
06:17:35 <elliott> in crawl
06:17:39 <monqy> uhh
06:17:39 <monqy> ant??
06:17:40 <coppro> I have just come up with the best idea ever
06:17:45 <elliott> zzo38: oh wait it was an edwardk package it was in
06:17:47 <elliott> nicer than EitherT
06:17:47 <Patashu> you mean like
06:17:49 <coppro> elliott: have you played nethack4 yet?
06:17:52 <Patashu> appears in packs, is unnecessarily dangerous?
06:17:53 <elliott> monqy: uhhh in nethack beginners die to swarms of ants a lot
06:17:54 <elliott> and
06:17:55 <Patashu> maybe orc warriors
06:17:57 <elliott> people say go team ant
06:17:58 <elliott> an
06:17:59 <elliott> d
06:18:01 <elliott> stuff
06:18:03 <elliott> coppro: nope
06:18:04 <coppro> we need an IRC-based client for nethack
06:18:07 <Patashu> well, let's see
06:18:20 <monqy> elliott: i dunno
06:18:33 <elliott> fuq
06:18:37 <monqy> dont worry
06:18:41 <monqy> its just jakales
06:19:00 <monqy> and rest to full hp etc
06:19:06 <zzo38> join (EitherT x) = EitherT (x >>= either (return . Left) runEitherT); is what it should be
06:19:12 <monqy> and dont flee into unexplored area
06:19:17 <Patashu> 1586697 games for *: 448897x , 100673x a hobgoblin, 96271x a kobold, 59749x a gnoll, 49001x an orc priest, 48617x an orc wizard, 46036x a snake, 42409x an ogre, 41408x Sigmund, 38909x a goblin, 36786x an orc, 27486x an orc warrior, 27406x a centaur, 27355x a jackal, 27330x a giant gecko, 18774x a worm, 13987x Terence, 13309x Ijyb, 12979x a giant cockroach, 12313x a rat, 12188x an ooze, 10628x
06:19:17 <Patashu> Jess...
06:19:21 <Patashu> oh
06:19:22 <Patashu> ogres
06:19:29 <monqy> jessica?
06:19:35 <Patashu> yeah I don't know how people die to her
06:19:35 <Patashu> either
06:19:40 <elliott> do i want glowing orcish short sworde
06:19:45 <Patashu> you're using maces
06:19:45 <Patashu> so no
06:20:00 <monqy> if you find a better mace or flail and have decednt attack delay with it
06:20:01 <monqy> use it
06:20:08 <elliott> whoa-oh
06:20:13 <elliott> orc wizard sounds scary
06:20:13 <monqy> as a maces kobe you are probably aiming for a demon blade
06:20:24 <monqy> elliott: might want to trogs hand it for the mr to avoid confusion
06:20:27 <monqy> er
06:20:29 <monqy> not demon balde
06:20:29 <Patashu> orc wizards are easy if you can get into melee with them
06:20:30 <monqy> demon whip
06:20:39 <elliott> what
06:20:40 <elliott> the
06:20:40 <Patashu> walk back one step
06:20:46 <Patashu> kill the gnoll
06:20:52 <Patashu> the orc wizard is forced to approach you
06:20:57 <Patashu> since it can't shoot past the gnoll
06:20:57 <Patashu> so keep killing the gnoll
06:20:59 <Patashu> zerk if you want
06:21:04 <monqy> Patashu: unless it blinks to the other side
06:21:05 <Patashu> actually
06:21:07 <Patashu> mmmdon't zerk
06:21:08 <Patashu> yeah
06:21:09 <monqy> Patashu: unless it blinks away
06:21:10 <Patashu> it might blink
06:21:10 <elliott> i want to save zerk for
06:21:12 <Patashu> that fucked me over once
06:21:12 <elliott> orc wizard
06:21:16 <elliott> if that's reasonable
06:21:18 <Patashu> keep hitting the thing in front of you
06:21:20 <coppro> I kind of really want to write this client now.
06:21:24 <coppro> IRC colors and everything.
06:21:26 <elliott> ok hmm
06:21:30 <monqy> get to a corner so the orc wizard will have to get next to you and can't blink away without getting out of sight
06:21:35 <monqy> so it can't shoot at you from afar
06:21:36 <elliott> there are no corners
06:21:39 <elliott> there just quokka
06:21:41 <monqy> oh
06:21:46 <elliott> but
06:21:48 <elliott> im doing good i think
06:21:49 <monqy> then just plow through or backpedal
06:21:52 <monqy> either one
06:21:52 <elliott> i should be able to get rid of it
06:21:52 <Patashu> walk backwards until the quokka catches up with you
06:21:55 <zzo38> But the package implements it in a way which seems too long to me such as EitherT x >>= f = EitherT $ do { res <- x; case res of { Right r -> runEitherT . f $ r; Left l -> return (Left l); }; };
06:22:00 <Patashu> killit
06:22:01 <elliott> ok
06:22:04 <Patashu> no zerk
06:22:04 <elliott> trogs hand?
06:22:08 <Patashu> just kill it
06:22:11 <elliott> no trogs hand?
06:22:13 <elliott> are you sure
06:22:15 <elliott> monqy was all
06:22:15 <Patashu> oh
06:22:16 <elliott> trugs hand
06:22:16 <Patashu> sure hand
06:22:20 <monqy> you mgiht want to trogs hand but
06:22:22 <monqy> you might not
06:22:24 <coppro> oh man
06:22:28 <elliott> uhhh
06:22:30 <coppro> we could have a collective game going
06:22:30 <elliott> i think i want to zerk him now
06:22:31 <Patashu> oh hey
06:22:33 <Patashu> another wizard
06:22:33 <coppro> !map and it sends you the map
06:22:36 <EgoBot> mapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmap
06:22:37 <elliott> id like to zerk him
06:22:38 <coppro> !north it moves you north, etc.
06:22:38 <elliott> can i zerk him
06:22:43 <Patashu> you shouldn't
06:22:43 <monqy> !nap
06:22:45 <elliott> why not
06:22:54 <Patashu> because of that other orc wizard down there v
06:22:57 <elliott> yes but
06:23:00 <elliott> i can retreat
06:23:02 <elliott> after i get rid of him
06:23:03 <elliott> theres a stair
06:23:04 <Patashu> to the stairs
06:23:05 <Patashu> oh yeah
06:23:05 <elliott> right there
06:23:06 <Patashu> ok go for it
06:23:11 <Patashu> lol
06:23:12 <elliott> mother
06:23:12 <Patashu> it blinked
06:23:12 <elliott> fucker
06:23:12 <monqy> nice zerk man
06:23:15 <coppro> elliott: should I write this?
06:23:16 <Patashu> niiice
06:23:18 <elliott> coppro: idc
06:23:21 <coppro> :(
06:23:26 <Patashu> hahaha
06:23:28 <Patashu> runnnn
06:23:29 <elliott> what hsould i uh
06:23:29 <monqy> ruin down the stairs
06:23:29 <elliott> increase
06:23:31 <monqy> dex
06:23:32 <elliott> in the three seconds before i die
06:23:33 <Patashu> d
06:23:37 <monqy> rip
06:23:38 <elliott> ahahaha
06:23:39 <elliott> mother fucker
06:23:43 <elliott> one more turn
06:23:45 <zzo38> coppro: Write it only if you like to do so
06:23:46 <elliott> and i would have escaped
06:23:56 <monqy> elliott: stairs take a bit more than a turn to descend so
06:23:57 <Patashu> did you have
06:23:58 <elliott> oh god
06:23:58 <Patashu> any useful resources
06:24:01 <elliott> i had a wand of digging
06:24:02 <Patashu> oh, potion of speed
06:24:04 <Patashu> (that would have been useful)
06:24:05 <elliott> doesnt that mean i could have escaped
06:24:08 <monqy> could have identified that speed potion
06:24:09 <Patashu> probably
06:24:15 <elliott> fml
06:24:19 <Patashu> btw any source of haste in crawl is very overpowered
06:24:22 <Patashu> it makes you do everything 1.5x as fast
06:24:23 <elliott> only 1623 turns???
06:24:34 <elliott> ok im going to take
06:24:36 <elliott> a two minute break
06:24:38 <elliott> and then play again
06:24:39 <elliott> @time monq
06:24:40 <elliott> @time monqy
06:24:42 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Sat Apr 21 23:24:40 2012
06:24:45 <elliott> happy birthday monqy
06:24:48 <monqy> hapy
06:25:57 <elliott> ive started new game ready
06:26:12 <monqy> ye
06:27:10 <elliott> ok
06:27:21 <elliott> Patashu: are you ready to give me bad advice
06:27:24 <Patashu> yep
06:27:28 <Patashu> (always)
06:27:30 <elliott> *ye
06:27:44 <elliott> i agree trog
06:27:46 <elliott> kill them all
06:27:48 <Patashu> ok
06:27:49 <Patashu> m&f only
06:27:50 <Patashu> like before
06:27:50 <elliott> " \m/ "
06:27:52 <zzo38> coppro: Are you good at Pokemon Card?
06:28:02 <Patashu> ooo
06:28:03 <elliott> WHOAh
06:28:04 <Patashu> an aquarium
06:28:06 <Patashu> they're behind glass
06:28:08 <coppro> zzo38: do you have another puzzle?
06:28:12 <Patashu> pretend you're at the zoo
06:28:12 <elliott> <--- still scarred
06:28:16 <elliott> <--- still scarred
06:28:17 <coppro> elliott: which server?
06:28:20 <elliott> coppro: cdo
06:28:30 <coppro> for the stupid, please expand acronym
06:28:34 <elliott> crawl.develz.org
06:28:36 <elliott> port 345 telnet
06:28:36 <Patashu> crawl.develz.org
06:28:39 <elliott> or ssh somehow
06:28:42 <elliott> but who cares about that
06:29:22 <Patashu> lol
06:29:24 <zzo38> coppro: No, but I would want to know what someone else knowing Pokemon Card would think of this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncard1.png Such as, who is winning and so on. I do have a later picture too
06:29:25 <Patashu> having fun?
06:29:32 <elliott> HOW DO I KILL PLANT
06:29:35 <zzo38> (Can you read Japanese a bit?)
06:29:36 <Patashu> you don't
06:29:41 <Patashu> they are invulnerable
06:29:45 <elliott> OH REALLY
06:29:46 <Patashu> gasp
06:29:48 <Patashu> how did you
06:29:48 <coppro> zzo38: No, I cannot read japanese
06:29:49 <Patashu> impossible
06:29:49 <monqy> you can kill plant if you hit it enough but it's usually not worth the bother
06:29:50 <elliott> i hit it a lot
06:29:51 <Patashu> but yeah
06:29:52 <elliott> until it died
06:29:55 <elliott> it required
06:29:57 <elliott> great intellect
06:30:00 <elliott> and skill
06:30:00 <monqy> bushes are even less worth the bother
06:30:13 <coppro> zzo38: I am also not familiar enough with the video game to interpret the situation from that screenshot
06:30:13 <elliott> i fucking hate it when things flee
06:30:21 <monqy> yes
06:30:26 <elliott> its like
06:30:30 <elliott> now that ive made your life a bother
06:30:35 <elliott> im gonna deny you the privilege of killing me
06:30:56 <elliott> whoah
06:31:08 <elliott> thats uh
06:31:11 <elliott> thats pretty useless actually
06:31:18 <Patashu> it's useful later on
06:31:22 <Patashu> for mapping branch ends and so on
06:31:23 <zzo38> coppro: You do not need to know the video game; everything there should be clear of the card game. The top player has already taken one side card, and has seven cards in hand and eight cards in trash and twenty-four cards in draw pile. Hopefully everything else is clear. (If not, ask.)
06:31:25 <Patashu> but not really right now
06:31:28 <monqy> magic mapping is useful on branch endings and for mapping out zot for diving i
06:31:28 <monqy> t
06:31:42 <elliott> orcish scale male is that
06:31:44 <elliott> gud
06:31:44 <elliott> e
06:31:46 <monqy> particularly for mapping out special pandemonium levels if you want to do a controlled teleport to the rune
06:31:51 <elliott> *gewèd
06:31:51 <monqy> but that's laaame
06:31:52 <zzo38> coppro: Also, have you shown anyone else the two puzzles I have written? You are the only one I have shown who could solve them
06:32:16 <coppro> No, I have not. I don't know very many people who play Pokemon and I don't talk to any of them on a regular basis
06:32:23 <elliott> monqy do i want
06:32:24 <elliott> i mean
06:32:25 <elliott> i wouldnt but
06:32:26 <coppro> As for your earlier question, I don't know what all the cards do
06:32:29 <elliott> patashu peer prssured me so much
06:32:39 <zzo38> COPPRO: Also, the swirl icon next to KANGASKHAN means confuse
06:32:43 <monqy> dont bother with the scale mail
06:33:06 <elliott> fucking
06:33:06 <monqy> ring mail would be better than scale mail for you right now, and leather better than that, but animal skin might really be best at the meoment
06:33:11 <Patashu> the mundane forms of armour, from least to most AC, is: animal skin/robe < leather < ring < scale < chain < splint < plate
06:33:11 <Patashu> btw
06:33:12 <zzo38> coppro: I can give you the card texts. Wait a moment.
06:33:22 <Patashu> also wtf
06:33:24 <Patashu> kill that adder
06:33:26 <Patashu> oh
06:33:27 <Patashu> you were slow
06:33:29 <Patashu> rofl
06:33:32 <elliott> i zerked but
06:33:33 <elliott> it fleed
06:33:38 <elliott> and ran away before i could bash it in
06:33:54 <elliott> lmao
06:34:01 <Patashu> you'll find that downstairs suck as an escape route
06:34:03 <Patashu> because of that
06:34:09 <Patashu> I once fled from an orc warrior downstairs
06:34:10 <Patashu> into a pack of like
06:34:11 <Patashu> wights
06:34:13 <Patashu> and other shit
06:34:14 <elliott> fucking
06:34:16 <elliott> orc wizards
06:34:18 <Patashu> go upstairs
06:34:21 <Patashu> bother with that duder later
06:34:23 <Patashu> you're only xl2 lol
06:34:25 <Patashu> need to grind more son
06:34:38 <elliott> thats a lot of item
06:34:44 <Patashu> he probably had a shitload of hand axes
06:34:48 <elliott> a many item
06:35:10 <Patashu> btw
06:35:13 <Patashu> when you butcher two or more chunks
06:35:14 <elliott> wat a water
06:35:15 <Patashu> eat -all of them-
06:35:20 <elliott> ok
06:35:32 <elliott> how
06:35:33 <elliott> are you meant to
06:35:38 <Patashu> you're too busy worshipping trog to worship okawaru
06:35:41 <elliott> yes but
06:35:42 <elliott> how
06:35:44 <elliott> the space
06:35:48 <Patashu> scroll of blinking? potion of levitation?
06:35:51 <Patashu> be a merfolk?
06:35:53 <zzo38> KANGHASKHAN [Lv40]: Retreat cost 3, weak { # }, resist { @ }, attacks: { * } FETCH: draw a card; { **** } COMET PUNCH: Damage 2*coins(4).
06:35:53 <Patashu> the possibilities
06:35:55 <Patashu> r endless
06:35:57 <monqy> be an octopode
06:36:01 <monqy> fedhas sunlight
06:36:09 <monqy> kenku flight
06:36:10 <Patashu> lugonu corrupt?
06:36:11 <monqy> er
06:36:11 <monqy> tengu
06:36:25 <monqy> blink/tele from distortion hit/unwield
06:36:40 <monqy> tloc miscast from god wrath
06:36:40 <elliott> that guy must have high standards
06:36:45 <elliott> don't want no dumb kobold
06:36:47 <Patashu> okawaru? nah he's pretty chill
06:36:58 <Patashu> the only chiller god is cheibriados
06:36:59 <monqy> you want chill? go chei
06:37:00 <monqy> heheh
06:37:12 <elliott> trog is pretty chill
06:37:14 <elliott> he's ok with everything
06:37:16 <Patashu> no he's not
06:37:20 <Patashu> he hates it if you cast spells
06:37:22 <elliott> well maybe not for YOU
06:37:27 <zzo38> DARK CHARIZARD [Lv38]: Retreat 3, weak { 6 }, resist { # }, attacks: { * } NAIL FLICK: 1 damage; { MM } CONTINUOUS FIREBALLS: Toss coins equal to number of energy cards, each heads discards one energy and 5 damage
06:37:52 <elliott> oh im xl4
06:37:53 <elliott> time to dive
06:37:55 <Patashu> lol
06:38:00 <Patashu> kill them
06:38:02 <Patashu> oh
06:38:02 <Patashu> use tt
06:38:06 <Patashu> to wake them up
06:38:09 <Patashu> HEY I'M OVER HERE
06:38:35 <elliott> woot
06:38:48 <elliott> good grief
06:38:50 <zzo38> CHARMANDER [Lv9]: Retreat 1, weak { 6 }, no resist, power: GATHER FIRE: One during your turn if not sleep/confuse/paralyze, you can move one fire energy from another of your cards to this one. attacks: FIRE TAIL: does 2 point of damage
06:39:01 <Patashu> LOL
06:39:03 <elliott> what
06:39:08 <Patashu> who knew iguanas were so dangerous
06:39:10 <elliott> zerk time
06:39:14 <Patashu> hint
06:39:19 <Patashu> zerking doesn't work if you wait until you have 1 hp left
06:39:42 <elliott> i think monqy is away
06:39:43 <monqy> did you wait until you had 1 hp left to zerk
06:39:45 <monqy> yeah don't do that
06:39:46 <elliott> monqy is going to come back and
06:39:46 <Patashu> he did
06:39:47 <monqy> i was logreading
06:39:48 <elliott> well um
06:39:49 <elliott> i wasnt really
06:39:50 <elliott> waiting
06:39:54 <elliott> it wasnt really
06:39:55 <elliott> hurting me much
06:39:58 <elliott> but then i had 1hp suddenly
06:40:09 <Patashu> elliott: do you have a query open to Gretell
06:40:14 <elliott> no whose that
06:40:19 <Patashu> <Patashu> @??iguana
06:40:19 <Patashu> <Gretell> iguana (l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Damage: 15 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: magic(12) | XP: 37.
06:40:20 <monqy> one of the ##crawl bots
06:40:22 <Patashu> a magical bot of wonderousness
06:40:23 <monqy> could just join ##crawl
06:40:26 <zzo38> HAUNTER [Lv17]: Retreat cost zero, no weakness, resist { # }, power: TRANSPARENCY: If not speel/confuse/paralyze, toss a coin if any attack has an effect on this card, and if heads negate all effects; attack: NIGHTMARE: 1 point of damage and opponent sleeps
06:40:27 <monqy> probably nobody would hate you
06:40:29 <elliott> im scared of ##crawl
06:40:33 <monqy> dont be scared
06:40:37 <monqy> they're nice people
06:40:45 <monqy> except for ebarett
06:40:46 <elliott> ill stick to #esoteric FOR NOW
06:40:48 <elliott> whose barette
06:40:53 <monqy> a jerk
06:41:02 <elliott> i dont like the sound of that :(
06:41:14 <elliott> fuck
06:41:15 <elliott> i forgot to
06:41:19 <monqy> he often has good opinions but
06:41:25 <monqy> just has a tendency to be a jerk about them
06:41:27 <zzo38> DROWZEE [Lv12]: Retreat 1, weak { @ }, resist none, attack: { * } POUND: 1 damage; { @@ } CONFUSE: 1 damage and toss a coin if heads confused opponent.
06:41:29 <elliott> i dont care about good opinions
06:41:38 <elliott> like having good opinions is the most worthless skill ever anyone can do that
06:41:44 <monqy> good because lots of people in ##crawl have bad opionions
06:41:55 <elliott> why can't everyone just be monqy
06:42:02 <monqy> a true mystery
06:42:33 <zzo38> JYNX [Lv23]: Retreat 2, weak { @ }, no resistance; attacks: { @ } DOUBLESLAP: Two coins, 1 damage per heads; { @@* } MEDITATE: Damage is 2 + amount of damage already on opponent
06:42:44 <zzo38> coppro: OK, does this help?
06:43:04 <monqy> 20:25:41: <elliott> ais523: What's a good roguelike that doesn't end in "Hack"?
06:43:10 <monqy> as far as roguelikes go, imo brogue is good
06:43:30 <elliott> im dive down??? to
06:43:32 <elliott> level up more
06:43:33 <Patashu> brogue reasons: popping a bloat to kill the pack of jackals mobbing you
06:43:35 <elliott> by dive i mean
06:43:36 <elliott> one down
06:43:37 <elliott> before i
06:43:39 <elliott> rly dive
06:43:50 <Patashu> what
06:43:52 <Patashu> take a step back
06:43:56 <Patashu> thanks
06:43:58 <Patashu> that was hurting me
06:43:59 <elliott> i was
06:44:01 <elliott> dual fighting
06:44:03 <Patashu> and I'm not even playing
06:44:05 <elliott> brb 1s
06:44:35 <elliott> bak
06:45:03 <Patashu> ugh
06:45:12 <Patashu> the door puzzle on level 3 just had a bunch of scrolls
06:45:13 <Patashu> I hate that
06:45:38 <monqy> what if the'yre good scroles
06:45:52 <Patashu> enchantment is guaranteed to be generated at a certain rate
06:45:55 <Patashu> and all the other scrolls are just ok
06:46:17 <Patashu> it's the game gypping you out of an awesome staff/weapon
06:46:24 <elliott> crimson imp
06:46:25 <elliott> more like
06:46:27 <elliott> crimson poop
06:47:11 <elliott> ok im going to
06:47:13 <elliott> id all these scrolls
06:47:15 <coppro> zzo38: I would say that the bottom player has the advantage
06:47:19 <elliott> a
06:47:21 <elliott> scroll of random uselessness
06:47:22 <elliott> ok
06:47:35 <Patashu> you don't have to go i -> item -> r
06:47:37 <Patashu> you can just go r -> item
06:47:37 <Patashu> btw
06:47:43 <coppro> zzo38: the top player's pokemon are not very useful. Kangaskhan will die to a meditate
06:47:44 <elliott> which should i
06:47:46 <elliott> use this item on
06:47:51 <monqy> hit \
06:47:51 <Patashu> pick a potion
06:47:54 <coppro> and the charizards are terribly without any fire energy
06:47:58 <monqy> pick a potion
06:47:59 <coppro> *terrible
06:48:01 <Patashu> since you don't know id yet
06:48:06 <Patashu> ok
06:48:09 <Patashu> id more potions
06:48:14 <elliott> this is a new scroll
06:48:17 <elliott> just f.y.i.
06:48:19 <elliott> animal skin?
06:48:19 <Patashu> animal skin
06:48:23 <elliott> woote
06:48:23 <Patashu> yup
06:48:28 <elliott> woote
06:48:37 <elliott> woote
06:48:43 <monqy> enhcant weapon 1 increases accurac, 2 increases damag
06:48:46 <monqy> 3 increas both
06:48:47 <zzo38> coppro: You are correct about the bottom player having the advantage, but not quite right about the meditate. Here is a later state of the game: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncardII.png
06:48:55 <elliott> 27 poisoned needles its my lucky day
06:49:26 <elliott> ok
06:49:27 <elliott> now i dive
06:49:28 <coppro> oh wait that is fire energy
06:49:29 <coppro> i misread
06:50:06 <zzo38> coppro: Yes it is fire energy, although I don't know what you are refering to.
06:50:10 <elliott> btw
06:50:11 <elliott> should i
06:50:14 <elliott> change the skill thing any time soon
06:50:26 <coppro> zzo38: I thought the energy on top was colorless
06:50:29 <elliott> whoah cursed
06:50:56 <elliott> heple
06:51:18 <monqy> ??
06:51:21 <elliott> dunno
06:51:40 <elliott> metalle???
06:51:41 <zzo38> coppro: On top of what? Do you mean the energy attached to KANGASKHAN [Lv40]? It doesn't matter since that card can use any energy to attack. (However, in the first picture, it is confused.)
06:52:06 <elliott> metalle???
06:52:31 <coppro> zzo38: attached to the Charizards
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06:52:40 <elliott> monqy :'(
06:52:43 -!- coppro has joined.
06:52:44 <monqy> oh
06:52:46 <monqy> metalle
06:52:46 <zzo38> (Note: In the second picture, Charmander has ten fire energies.)
06:52:49 <monqy> you cant dig metalle walls
06:52:51 <zzo38> coppro: Yes, they are fire
06:52:57 <elliott> i htink monqy is distracted by genius loges
06:52:58 <monqy> and they are ground to lightning i think
06:53:00 <monqy> and uhh
06:53:01 <monqy> yeah
06:53:05 <elliott> the loges arent
06:53:06 <elliott> any good
06:53:07 <elliott> if that helpes
06:53:09 <monqy> :(
06:53:14 <monqy> im still diestract
06:53:19 <Patashu> zerk
06:53:19 <Patashu> btw
06:53:22 <Patashu> lol
06:53:32 <Patashu> why do you do this to yourself
06:53:33 <Patashu> wow
06:53:35 <Patashu> how are you still alive
06:53:39 <elliott> balls
06:53:40 <monqy> wow what happened
06:53:42 <elliott> i
06:53:44 <elliott> killed lots of things and
06:53:46 <elliott> didn't die somehow
06:53:47 <Patashu> he zerked at 11 hp
06:53:47 <Patashu> again
06:53:49 <monqy> im distracted and then i look aback and 1hp and zerked
06:53:59 <monqy> with a gnolles
06:54:00 <elliott> thats how i roll
06:54:01 <Patashu> protip
06:54:04 <Patashu> zerk isn't something you can use at low hp
06:54:05 <Patashu> like heal wounds
06:54:08 <Patashu> you need to use it EARLY
06:54:11 <elliott> oh suuuure
06:54:14 <elliott> you're just jealous
06:54:15 <elliott> of my skillz
06:54:21 <elliott> now watch as i die in the next 10 turns
06:54:22 <Patashu> if I want to die a lot on D:4
06:54:24 <Patashu> I know who to turn to
06:54:29 <Patashu> rest
06:54:36 <Patashu> stairs
06:54:37 <Patashu> yeah
06:54:41 <monqy> elliott: someone with a name starting with "elli" joine ##crawl and i thought it was you for a second
06:54:47 <monqy> turns out it was just elliptic
06:54:48 <coppro> I'm sorry, I don't agree that that tip was professional
06:54:56 <coppro> it's just an amateur tip
06:55:05 <monqy> elliott: by the way you should join ##crawl just because you'd have the same four-letter prefix as one of the regulars
06:55:07 <Patashu> mmm
06:55:08 <elliott> help
06:55:09 <Patashu> more low hp zerking
06:55:13 <Patashu> zerk earlier
06:55:13 <elliott> ha
06:55:15 <elliott> paid off AGAIN
06:55:19 <zzo38> coppro: OK, did you see the second picture? It is just a later picture of the same duel
06:55:25 <coppro> yes
06:56:15 <elliott> do i want jewel
06:56:18 <Patashu> go in
06:56:22 <Patashu> you probably can't afford anything though
06:56:33 <Patashu> let's see
06:56:37 <Patashu> hmmmmmm
06:56:37 <zzo38> Do you think the ten fire energies on Charmander is for MR.FUJI to fill up your draw pile, or to make a large attack later? Actually it is just a bluff.
06:56:37 <elliott> i can afford a cursed -6 ring of dexterity
06:56:41 <Patashu> lol
06:57:01 <Patashu> do this
06:57:02 <Patashu> hit i
06:57:04 <Patashu> then hit $
06:57:16 <elliott> is that a good idea monqy
06:57:24 <Patashu> [$] selected -> shopping list
06:57:26 <Patashu> it means when you get 390 gold
06:57:27 <elliott> is that a good idea monqy
06:57:29 <monqy> uhhh
06:57:30 <zzo38> elliott: Well, if you need to reduce your dexterity it might be useful (I don't know why you need to do that); but you should probably remove the curse so that the ring can be removed when you want to put your dexterity score back to normal
06:57:31 <Patashu> crawl will be 'ding! you can afford this now'
06:57:39 <elliott> do i want regneration
06:57:44 <monqy> if you want it
06:57:47 <elliott> do i want it
06:57:52 <monqy> i don't know
06:57:55 <elliott> help
06:57:58 <monqy> ring of regen is one of the lamer regeneration sources
06:57:59 <Patashu> well
06:58:01 <monqy> i forget if it's any good
06:58:01 <Patashu> you don't have to decide NOW
06:58:12 <elliott> ive decided i dont trust patshu
06:58:21 <Patashu> you should do exactly the opposite of what I say
06:58:22 <Patashu> ready?
06:58:27 <Patashu> buy the -6 ring of dexterity and wear it
06:58:33 <elliott> i
06:58:35 <Patashu> tab into those gnolls
06:58:35 <elliott> really want to
06:58:37 <Patashu> etc
06:58:42 <Patashu> zerk at 1 hp
06:58:45 <elliott> ohw ell
06:58:47 <elliott> shoppe listed
06:58:54 <Patashu> fight that ogre
06:58:54 <Patashu> :D
06:58:56 <elliott> this aint ogre, shrek
06:58:59 <Patashu> be-e-e-est idea
06:59:06 <Patashu> you are lucky
06:59:15 <Patashu> early game ogres basically murder ppl
06:59:19 <elliott> yeah but
06:59:20 <elliott> im zerk
06:59:22 <elliott> why am i saying zerk
06:59:23 <elliott> berk is
06:59:24 <elliott> a much nicer word
06:59:38 <Patashu> don't do it
06:59:40 <elliott> fucking
06:59:44 <Patashu> just kill it
06:59:47 <Patashu> lol
06:59:48 <elliott> escape to jewerlyry shoppe
06:59:51 <elliott> Patashu: i was slow exh
06:59:53 <Patashu> it's
06:59:54 <Patashu> one orc
06:59:57 <elliott> im one baby
07:00:02 <elliott> im also pois
07:00:04 <monqy> watch as orc kiles you
07:00:09 <monqy> jsust wasthch
07:00:16 <elliott> would rtorgs hand help
07:00:27 <monqy> it would counteract the pois at least
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07:00:31 <monqy> but uhh
07:00:32 <zzo38> coppro: It seem you know Pokemon Card better than the other people who have tried to answer the puzzles and analyze the pictures; nobody else could understand even if they know Pokemon Card
07:00:34 <monqy> you might not need it
07:00:37 <monqy> whatever it won't really hurt
07:00:44 <elliott> better safe than dead
07:00:45 <elliott> as they say
07:00:47 <monqy> yes
07:00:48 <zzo38> coppro: Also, if *you* make a puzzle for Pokemon Card please tell me
07:00:55 <elliott> you feel sick. x13
07:01:00 <coppro> zzo38: I do enjoy puzzles, so if you have more, I would like to know
07:01:01 <monqy> can just rest it off
07:01:02 <elliott> x13 is sick smiley
07:01:08 <elliott> sign
07:01:09 <coppro> I don't think I will make any in the near future, but I will tell you if I do.
07:01:21 <monqy> berking that adder?
07:01:25 <elliott> i was yes
07:01:32 <monqy> adderberk isn't such a agreat idea past the very first few levels
07:01:35 <elliott> i bet its the same one
07:02:10 <elliott> ok s
07:02:11 <elliott> o
07:02:13 <elliott> if i dont berk the adder
07:02:15 <elliott> what do i adder
07:02:24 <monqy> hite it
07:02:29 <monqy> norma,ly
07:02:34 <coppro> elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adder_(electronics)
07:02:37 <monqy> also have you found any more maces or flaisles
07:02:51 <monqy> did you pickt ehm up
07:03:00 <zzo38> coppro: I will tell you if I have more puzzles. Currently I have none but I would like you or someone else to make some that I can look at; if it isn't you either then we can both try it
07:03:03 <elliott> monqy: not that i know of
07:03:15 <Patashu> so, I've noticed
07:03:19 <Patashu> I almost always die early game in brogue
07:03:22 <Patashu> but I almost never die early game in crawl
07:03:24 <monqy> elliott: could searhc for mace
07:03:25 <Patashu> I wonder if anyone out there is the opposite
07:03:28 <elliott> uh oh
07:03:31 <monqy> Patashu: i forget
07:03:32 <elliott> stairs?
07:03:34 <monqy> elliott: run away
07:03:37 <Patashu> don't take the stairs
07:03:37 <monqy> don't run for the stairs
07:03:37 <elliott> to stairs?
07:03:38 <elliott> ok
07:03:39 <Patashu> back up into the choke
07:03:45 <monqy> continue backing
07:03:47 <monqy> go around the corner
07:03:52 <elliott> this corner???
07:03:54 <Patashu> sure
07:03:54 <monqy> yes
07:03:55 <Patashu> any corner
07:04:01 <monqy> don't go too far
07:04:03 <Patashu> kill that orc
07:04:04 <monqy> now would be a good stop
07:04:06 <monqy> yes
07:04:12 <elliott> mace
07:04:16 <Patashu> yours is better
07:04:18 <Patashu> look for glowy maces
07:04:19 <elliott> i searhced for mace
07:04:20 <elliott> ok
07:04:23 <monqy> ^F
07:04:25 <monqy> and then mace
07:04:32 <monqy> those are alll the amces
07:04:36 <elliott> ``meh''
07:04:41 <monqy> they dont look too special
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07:04:45 <elliott> is dwarven good
07:04:59 <elliott> should i trya nd kill orcish wizerd
07:04:59 <monqy> it's a bit more resistant to corrision but ehh whatever
07:05:06 <monqy> if you don't charge into it
07:05:21 <monqy> and make sure you're in melee range and it's not blinking everwhere, and yoi're 1vs1ing it
07:05:46 <elliott> that was fast
07:05:58 <zzo38> coppro: I would also ask if you know about defensive strategies/tactics in chess? I find some of their tactics can be played in Pokemon Card too, actually
07:06:08 <elliott> do i want blowgun
07:06:16 <monqy> sure but don't pick it up now
07:06:20 <elliott> whoah
07:06:21 <monqy> go around the corner so the wizard cant see you
07:06:21 <Patashu> blowgun + curare is good
07:06:21 <elliott> orc wizard
07:06:23 <elliott> didnt even notice him
07:06:25 <Patashu> blowgun + anything else is usually a wasteof time
07:06:36 <elliott> do i want nedles
07:06:41 <monqy> needles can be good early game
07:06:52 <monqy> might want to try the glowing hammer
07:06:54 <monqy> if you want to
07:06:56 <monqy> but not now
07:06:56 <elliott> ok
07:07:00 <monqy> you've got a corner to hide behind
07:07:00 <elliott> i think ill fight orcish wizard in that corridor
07:07:03 <elliott> oh
07:07:03 <elliott> ok
07:07:05 <monqy> or corridor
07:07:06 <monqy> whichever
07:07:07 <monqy> both work
07:07:14 <elliott> should i berk
07:07:15 <elliott> just askin
07:07:24 <monqy> one thing about berking wiszards is they blink away
07:07:29 <elliott> i guess not then
07:07:36 <monqy> might want to trogshandok flee
07:07:43 <elliott> trogs hand and flee?
07:07:46 <monqy> uhhhh
07:07:49 <monqy> do you have items
07:08:00 <monqy> maybe curing first
07:08:10 <elliott> didnt really help
07:08:18 <monqy> trogshand and hide behind the corner
07:08:22 <monqy> so the other wizard cant see you
07:08:35 <monqy> ok remember where the wziard is
07:08:39 <monqy> since its invisibeblel
07:08:41 <elliott> can i pick up hammer
07:08:42 <elliott> so i dont forget
07:08:45 <monqy> wizard is still there
07:08:49 <monqy> it will
07:08:50 <monqy> hit you
07:08:53 <monqy> if you pick up the hammer
07:08:55 <elliott> ok im just
07:08:58 <elliott> going to press .
07:09:13 <elliott> its RIGHT HERE!!!
07:09:16 <monqy> it upgraded its weapon
07:09:18 <monqy> cognratuatlatltns
07:09:21 <elliott> im going to
07:09:21 <elliott> tab
07:09:25 <elliott> oh
07:09:26 <monqy> it wont work since you cant see it
07:09:28 <elliott> im going to
07:09:28 <elliott> l
07:09:37 <elliott> im scare
07:09:42 <elliott> if i zerk it
07:09:43 <elliott> will it not blink
07:09:44 <elliott> because
07:09:45 <elliott> its invis
07:09:48 <elliott> does it work like that
07:10:09 <monqy> none of the spells sets with invis have blink
07:10:09 <Patashu> it can still blink
07:10:11 <Patashu> oh
07:10:12 <Patashu> really?
07:10:15 <Patashu> neat
07:10:15 <elliott> ok
07:10:16 <elliott> ill
07:10:17 <elliott> berk then
07:10:27 <Patashu> (I haven't memorized spell sets for any enemies :( )
07:10:31 <elliott> yessss
07:10:32 <Patashu> (well for the ones that change them around)
07:10:34 <monqy> Patashu: i queried it in ##crawl
07:10:37 <elliott> lucky as shit
07:10:41 <elliott> i socked it
07:10:44 <elliott> quote sock unquote
07:10:53 <elliott> theres
07:10:58 <elliott> still another orc wizard tho
07:11:02 <monqy> yeah uh
07:11:04 <elliott> i think ill get that nice hammer then leg it to a stairs
07:11:04 <monqy> run away
07:11:06 <elliott> oh
07:11:07 <elliott> ok
07:11:12 <elliott> im never going to get that hammer am i
07:11:17 <monqy> you'll get it eventually
07:11:26 <monqy> round the corner
07:11:26 <elliott> oh god
07:11:48 <elliott> ok
07:11:49 <Patashu> btw the hammer will be slightly worse than your mace, unless it has a cool brand like flaming or freezing
07:11:53 <elliott> i think ill go back
07:12:20 <monqy> 01:58:51: <NSQX> Well, for just this moment, think of any characters which are not yet mapped to any UniCode instructions, then type the character and your proposed instruction on this IRC channel. Of course, unlike a wiki, anything you type here does not fill up any server.
07:12:24 <monqy> thanks nsqx
07:12:32 <elliott> monqy!!! i need ur attention
07:12:35 <elliott> i picked up hammer btw
07:12:36 <elliott> because
07:12:39 <elliott> no wiz gonna stop me get my hammer
07:12:42 <monqy> did you weidl it
07:12:44 <elliott> no
07:12:45 <elliott> should i
07:12:48 <monqy> sure
07:12:48 <elliott> patashu said its slightly worse
07:12:59 <Patashu> (it might be branded)
07:13:01 <elliott> how can i tell
07:13:02 <Patashu> (in which case it's better)
07:13:03 <Patashu> wield test
07:13:04 <monqy> it doesnt branded
07:13:07 <elliott> ok
07:13:10 <elliott> im switch back and drop?
07:13:13 <monqy> youd be hable to tell by now
07:13:17 <monqy> sure
07:13:24 <monqy> i forget which is better of hammer and mace
07:13:27 <monqy> so
07:13:39 <Patashu> mace is sliiightly better
07:13:44 <Patashu> ok
07:13:49 <Patashu> I've now officially played more games of brogue than of crawl
07:13:50 <Patashu> 0% win rate
07:13:51 <Patashu> :D
07:13:55 <elliott> im gonna eat because uh
07:13:58 <monqy> dont
07:13:59 <elliott> don't wanna have to eat when in melee
07:14:00 <elliott> well
07:14:01 <monqy> dont
07:14:01 <elliott> ok
07:14:05 <monqy> run away
07:14:09 <elliott> yikes
07:14:11 <monqy> orc priests can smite you from behind enemies
07:14:12 <monqy> so
07:14:19 <elliott> yieks
07:14:21 <monqy> kill it first
07:14:22 <elliott> run?
07:14:24 <elliott> uh
07:14:25 <monqy> berk
07:14:25 <elliott> theres orc priest
07:14:32 <elliott> ha ha ha
07:14:36 <elliott> hand?
07:14:39 <monqy> cant
07:14:41 <monqy> kill priest first, then the other orcs
07:14:43 <monqy> its no worry
07:14:47 <monqy> unless a wizard comes
07:14:56 <monqy> now eat chunkes
07:14:59 <elliott> whoops
07:15:01 <elliott> i burnt it instead
07:15:14 <elliott> somethings wrong with it
07:15:27 <elliott> holy shit this is orc town
07:15:34 <monqy> ou probably ate a roten chunk or soetmhgntn
07:15:48 <monqy> nasuea just means you cant eat more chunks for the moment
07:15:50 <elliott> hand zerk time
07:15:52 <monqy> kill it dont backpedal
07:15:55 <elliott> or uh
07:15:57 <elliott> maybe just zerk
07:15:57 <monqy> maybe hand, dont zerk
07:16:00 <elliott> ok
07:16:06 <elliott> ha
07:16:07 <elliott> ha
07:16:08 <elliott> ha
07:16:10 <elliott> ha
07:16:11 <elliott> ha
07:16:11 <monqy> zerk the ghost
07:16:14 <monqy> or
07:16:17 <monqy> look at its logfile
07:16:21 <elliott> how do i do that
07:16:27 <monqy> ask sequell, politely
07:16:40 <elliott> 08:16 <elliott> hi whats log file ofsoul
07:16:42 <elliott> it isnt saying anythinge
07:16:43 <monqy> !log soul defe d:4
07:16:56 <elliott> 08:16 <Sequell> 24. soul, XL4 DEFE, T:1489: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/soul/morgue-soul-20120422-065107.txt
07:16:57 <elliott> yaey
07:17:03 <elliott> wow so much data
07:17:07 <elliott> ok it doesnt look
07:17:09 <elliott> too frightening
07:17:17 <monqy> oh it doesn't haeve the scary splells
07:17:23 <elliott> just whack it?
07:17:24 <monqy> not too much worry then
07:17:33 <monqy> unless it proves fhchanelgnging
07:17:40 <elliott> ah
07:17:41 <elliott> i think im zerk
07:17:45 <monqy> sure whatever
07:17:49 <monqy> kill the wizard while it's next to you
07:17:56 <monqy> and if it blinks away go back to the ghost
07:19:15 <elliott> awesome
07:19:23 <elliott> is that thing actually useful for anything ever
07:19:27 <monqy> uhhh
07:19:30 <monqy> the scrole? no
07:19:57 <elliott> fun
07:20:16 <elliott> ok down we go
07:20:49 <elliott> oh
07:20:56 <Patashu> ok
07:20:57 <elliott> uhhhh
07:20:58 <Patashu> I keep dying
07:20:59 <Patashu> to vampire bats
07:21:01 <monqy> probably charge them and berk once next to them
07:21:03 <elliott> can i just berk them
07:21:03 <elliott> yeah
07:21:19 <elliott> orcish scale male???
07:21:21 <elliott> maybe??
07:21:29 <elliott> *scail male
07:21:52 <elliott> i guess note
07:21:53 <elliott> but Patashu keeps
07:21:55 <elliott> armouring me
07:22:10 <Patashu> ctrl+f plate armour
07:22:11 <monqy> if you really want to use it then use it
07:22:16 <monqy> dont use plate :(
07:22:18 <monqy> at least
07:22:19 <Patashu> why not
07:22:21 <Patashu> plate is great
07:22:21 <monqy> not without more str
07:22:22 <monqy> and
07:22:23 <Patashu> oh
07:22:25 <Patashu> wait
07:22:26 <monqy> more armour skill maybe
07:22:27 <monqy> and
07:22:30 <monqy> preferably not on a kobold
07:22:32 <elliott> is scale mail better than skin though im just asking
07:22:34 <Patashu> yeah he needs two more str points
07:22:35 <elliott> im dumb little kobold
07:22:40 <elliott> aint got much smarts in me
07:22:48 <Patashu> also
07:22:50 <Patashu> I like armour
07:22:54 <monqy> your target is probably dragon armour or something
07:23:12 <elliott> ill pick it up for late
07:23:12 <elliott> r
07:23:15 <elliott> but not wear it yet
07:23:19 <elliott> how can i tell if its heavy
07:23:22 <elliott> does that matter
07:23:41 <monqy> you want to have as much str as the evasion penalty times 3
07:23:51 <elliott> is it hevvy
07:23:56 <monqy> to get the maximum benefit str can have on armour
07:24:00 <monqy> beyond that you need armour skill
07:24:05 <monqy> what do you mean hevye
07:24:11 <elliott> is there a inventory
07:24:11 <elliott> limit
07:24:12 <elliott> thing
07:24:14 <monqy> oh
07:24:14 <elliott> or whatever
07:24:19 <monqy> yeah
07:24:20 <monqy> there's uh
07:24:21 <elliott> or can i just carry it around "§uncaringley§"
07:24:28 <monqy> a cap on how much burden you can have
07:24:35 <monqy> and how many inventory letters you can have
07:24:36 <monqy> but
07:24:38 <elliott> does it matter should i worry about carrying around scale mail
07:24:39 <monqy> dont worry about it right now
07:24:41 <elliott> ok
07:24:47 <monqy> if you need to drop it later you can
07:25:11 <elliott> sigh
07:25:35 <elliott> this guy is an asshole
07:25:48 <monqy> crimson imps are annoying since they regenderate hp quickly and blink around
07:26:08 <elliott> is chain mail better than
07:26:11 <elliott> scale mail
07:26:15 <elliott> i get so mixed up
07:26:17 <monqy> oone comone way to deal with them is to "park" them on a previous level by leading them to a staircas, taking it with it adjacent, waiting for ot to blink away, and going down
07:26:17 <elliott> with my males
07:26:22 <monqy> i forgetttt
07:26:23 <elliott> thats boringe
07:26:27 <elliott> i prefer just waiting for it and berk
07:26:28 <monqy> yeah
07:26:30 <monqy> it is borieng
07:26:40 <elliott> hmmm
07:26:42 <elliott> these are new
07:26:43 <monqy> also im really tired owwwow i shoudl slep before i give bad advice
07:26:47 <elliott> im tired too
07:26:48 <monqy> eyeballs will para you
07:26:50 <elliott> like sleep deprived tired
07:26:51 <elliott> so dont worry
07:26:54 <monqy> jelly will corrode your stuff and kill you
07:26:58 <elliott> oh
07:26:59 <monqy> do not ifhgt stuff in front of an eyeball
07:27:07 <elliott> what should i do to eyball
07:27:10 <elliott> run aay ??
07:27:13 <monqy> just kill it
07:27:16 <monqy> nothing's around naymroe
07:27:23 <monqy> oyu mighty want a replacement for your mace sometime
07:27:24 <monqy> since you
07:27:26 <monqy> coroeded it
07:27:31 <elliott> oops
07:27:36 <elliott> can i sneak quietly
07:27:36 <monqy> preferably: something better than a mace
07:27:39 <elliott> so i dont wake up this basterd
07:27:50 <monqy> who knwos,,,
07:28:13 <elliott> wow scorpions are assholes
07:28:20 <elliott> hmmm
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07:28:25 <elliott> healing again?
07:28:29 <monqy> yes
07:28:30 <elliott> er
07:28:30 <elliott> curing
07:28:35 <elliott> should i berk
07:28:38 <monqy> yes
07:28:38 <elliott> now that im
07:28:39 <elliott> hp
07:28:41 <monqy> unless you
07:28:49 <monqy> have other better options but
07:28:51 <elliott> whew
07:28:53 <monqy> yeah it worked
07:29:46 <zzo38> Do you agree or disagree: No free man should be hanged twice for the same offence.
07:30:11 <monqy> what about free ghosts
07:30:16 <elliott> i disagree
07:30:20 <elliott> oops
07:30:20 <elliott> centr
07:30:23 <monqy> are ghost ever free
07:30:29 <monqy> elliott: close distance while it's asleep
07:30:40 <monqy> elliott: if you have trouble you can berk it
07:30:43 <monqy> but
07:30:46 <monqy> berk before having trouble
07:30:49 <monqy> yeah that was good
07:30:51 <elliott> done
07:31:07 <elliott> ive lurned from my scoprion mistakes
07:31:35 <Sgeo> elliott, eating poison isn't the most possible thing
07:31:38 <elliott> good god
07:31:41 <elliott> why are there so many scorpions
07:31:50 <Sgeo> !!!!!!!!
07:31:53 * Sgeo counted !s
07:31:59 <elliott> what
07:32:28 <Sgeo> elliott, me being stupid and referencing Homestuck
07:32:29 <elliott> down to dungeon 6 i go
07:32:35 <elliott> monqy: i feel like im becoming
07:32:37 <elliott> monqy: less terrible
07:32:41 <monqy> yse
07:32:43 <elliott> Sgeo: isnt that... spiders
07:32:57 <elliott> wh
07:32:58 <Sgeo> elliott, but she is a Scorpio, so
07:33:04 <elliott> ok giant frog
07:33:05 <elliott> this will be
07:33:07 <elliott> painless
07:33:12 <monqy> scorpiones are pretty much spiders
07:33:54 <elliott> ooh
07:33:55 <elliott> how can i
07:33:57 <elliott> call it erinforcements
07:33:59 <elliott> oh
07:34:02 <elliott> i guess i dont need to yet
07:34:14 <monqy> it's with 'a' just like the other things
07:34:23 <monqy> it's called brothers in arms
07:34:30 <Patashu> ok, this game of brogue I have some actually good items
07:34:38 <Patashu> sword of slowing, leather armour of mutuality, staff of lightning, staff of obstruction
07:34:39 <monqy> also trog powers have power based on piety so at high piety they will be bettter
07:34:40 <oklopol> duddes duddes, the short music programs things was horribly cool.
07:34:41 <Patashu> remind me not to die this time
07:34:45 <Sgeo> elliott, Trog isn't too boring for you?
07:34:54 <elliott> is edmund scarye
07:34:59 <elliott> Sgeo: hes friendly
07:35:01 <Patashu> not really
07:35:04 <Patashu> all he can do is hit you with his flail
07:35:13 <monqy> berk
07:35:18 <monqy> or
07:35:18 <monqy> not
07:35:19 <Patashu> lmao
07:35:19 <elliott> already palnning on it
07:35:24 <elliott> uhhh who should i be hitting
07:35:28 <monqy> yourself
07:35:29 <Patashu> doesn't matter you're dead
07:35:32 <monqy> for letting this happen
07:35:34 <elliott> no i can
07:35:35 <elliott> survive
07:35:37 <elliott> with my wits
07:35:45 <elliott> which one should
07:35:48 <elliott> i be hitting ;__;
07:35:54 <Patashu> also
07:35:56 <Sgeo> elliott, hey, with #nethack help you survived shk wrath
07:35:58 <monqy> i dont know ;_; i want to sleeep
07:35:59 <Patashu> actually nvm
07:36:06 <monqy> ask ##crawl
07:36:10 <elliott> am i keeping monqy awake oops
07:36:13 <elliott> Patashu: who should i
07:36:14 <elliott> hit
07:36:15 <elliott> if i survive this
07:36:17 <elliott> ill save
07:36:17 <elliott> and
07:36:20 <elliott> pick it up when monqy isnt tired
07:36:22 <Patashu> it doesn't matter because you're dead
07:36:22 <Patashu> but
07:36:23 <Patashu> edmund
07:36:31 <monqy> hit obhth btobhthbh
07:36:32 <elliott> wait
07:36:36 <elliott> can i sent in reinforcements
07:36:38 <Patashu> no
07:36:39 <elliott> or not because im berk
07:36:39 <monqy> jk you cant hit both
07:36:39 <Patashu> you're zerk
07:36:41 <monqy> not when youre berk
07:36:44 <Patashu> when you're zerk all you can do
07:36:45 <Patashu> is
07:36:46 <Patashu> hit things
07:36:46 <elliott> sigh
07:36:46 <Patashu> and die
07:36:50 <elliott> i did both
07:36:53 <Patashu> yes
07:36:53 <monqy> ok im
07:36:54 <monqy> gone
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07:37:01 <elliott> well
07:37:04 <elliott> i did better than all the previous times
07:37:11 <Sgeo> elliott, why Kobold and not Troll?
07:37:16 <elliott> because i like kobolds
07:37:22 <elliott> because of those kobold camp comics
07:38:24 <oklopol> kobolds don't exist
07:39:13 <Patashu> ok, this staff of lightning
07:39:16 <Patashu> is pretty good at killing things
07:40:12 <oklopol> more like the kill staff of killightning.
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07:40:44 <Patashu> wow
07:40:48 <Patashu> now I have two staffs of lightning
07:40:50 <Patashu> (staves?)
07:40:54 <Patashu> I should duct tape them together
07:42:04 <elliott> can i watch you play somehow
07:42:11 <Patashu> brogue or crawl?
07:42:20 <elliott> btourge
07:42:22 <elliott> if thats what
07:42:23 <elliott> youre playing
07:42:35 <Patashu> I could livestream it but it'd be hard to see because of how big it is
07:43:30 <elliott> Patashu: is ##crawl scary
07:43:49 <Patashu> crawl only makes fun of people who think the game is based on luck
07:43:53 <Patashu> or who think they're good when they aren't
07:44:20 <elliott> but i kind of think it is based on luck though
07:44:22 <elliott> i mean
07:44:26 <elliott> my losses are based on stupidity
07:44:27 <elliott> obviously
07:44:42 <elliott> but i can't deny there's something really arbitrary about it
07:44:43 <Patashu> yeah
07:44:43 <Patashu> so you'd be fine
07:47:50 <elliott> am i
07:47:52 <elliott> getting better
07:47:55 <elliott> this is my third day of playing crawl bte
07:47:56 <elliott> btw
07:47:59 <elliott> or maybe fourth
07:48:01 <elliott> nah third
07:48:29 <elliott> This seems like a good idea, and I support it, but I suspect NSQX will manage to mess it up somehow. —Maharba 05:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
07:48:47 <elliott> > '*' < '-'
07:48:48 <lambdabot> True
07:48:53 <elliott> > '-' < '.'
07:48:54 <lambdabot> True
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07:53:40 <Sgeo> elliott, enjoying it?
07:53:49 <elliott> enjoying whate
07:53:54 <Sgeo> Crawl
07:54:00 <elliott> i died
07:54:00 * Sgeo is going to play a bit, not sure as what
07:54:03 <elliott> and monqy slept
07:54:11 <elliott> play kobold beerekrkserker it ts the funetste
07:54:19 <Sgeo> I want to play a spellcaster
07:54:25 <Sgeo> And I play troll berserker a lot, so
07:54:58 <elliott> more like splecaster
07:55:25 <Patashu> well
07:55:28 <Sgeo> "Transmuters shift their form to fight in a beast's shape"
07:55:29 <Patashu> what kind of spellcasters have you won as so far
07:55:48 <Sgeo> Patashu, I have never won Crawl
07:55:50 <Patashu> oh
07:55:51 <Patashu> well
07:55:53 <Patashu> transmuters are cool
07:55:58 <Patashu> you get blade hands and stab everything with them
07:56:00 <Sgeo> What species?
07:56:09 <Patashu> not sure
07:56:11 <Sgeo> Patashu, that sounds slightly boring
07:56:29 <Sgeo> Sludge Elf or Spriggan?
07:56:43 <Patashu> demonspawn
07:56:46 <Patashu> is the best race
07:56:46 <Patashu> so do that
07:57:00 <Sgeo> Welcome, Sgeo the Demonspawn Transmuter
07:57:06 <elliott> hi
07:57:56 <Sgeo> What is good about claws for hands?
07:58:02 <Sgeo> Other than that's what trolls have
07:58:07 <Patashu> boosts uc damage a bit
07:58:15 <Patashu> ps
07:58:17 <elliott> whats good well
07:58:18 <elliott> i dont konw maybe
07:58:19 <elliott> haveing
07:58:19 <Patashu> turn off everything except uc and transmutations
07:58:20 <elliott> claweiosjdf
07:58:21 <elliott> sfoijw
07:58:23 <elliott> fopjm
07:58:25 <elliott> dfopgdlf;hg
07:58:27 <elliott> dfks;
07:58:29 <elliott> ewlkfj
07:58:31 <Sgeo> Patashu, what about fighting?
07:58:31 <elliott> ergkj
07:58:39 <elliott> kld
07:58:40 <Patashu> fighting doesn't offer a large benefit until xl16
07:58:43 <elliott> zxczd
07:58:48 <elliott> xl16 i dont think
07:58:50 <elliott> theres that many xls
07:58:52 <elliott> ive only got like
07:58:53 <elliott> 7
08:00:00 <Sgeo> Patashu, not spellcasting? not dodging?
08:00:01 <Sgeo> Really?
08:00:12 <elliott> more like splintecrasting
08:00:14 <elliott> rim doignjsut
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08:00:15 <elliott> odi n
08:00:15 <elliott> rg
08:00:16 <elliott> fk
08:00:18 <elliott> epokferg porg pojwefp oj
08:00:21 <Patashu> yes
08:00:22 <elliott> vmklerpe gojwp ejfopj thjiowemc s/r[pgk xpojer
08:00:22 <Patashu> you only want to raise
08:00:24 <Patashu> what helps the most
08:00:27 <elliott> lkejr qorj xigowpkrm lkmvb.,mjyew[p w[ kpc[kvmx.,mwe t;fl
08:00:27 <Patashu> and uc and transmutations help you the most
08:00:29 <elliott> wj
08:00:30 <elliott> wj wj wj
08:00:31 <Patashu> well actually
08:00:32 <elliott> wjjj
08:00:34 <elliott> wj wj wj wj wj
08:00:35 <Patashu> the first transmutation lets you use a weapon, right?
08:00:37 <Patashu> and statue form
08:00:42 <elliott> wj
08:00:42 <Patashu> so I guess you can use a weapon instead of uc if you like
08:00:45 <Patashu> but still same answer
08:00:48 <elliott> wj
08:00:54 <elliott> wje
08:01:12 <Sgeo> Automatic or manual?
08:01:16 <elliott> wje
08:01:24 <Patashu> I don't know I never fucked with that
08:01:29 <elliott> wje
08:02:21 <oklopol> are we discussing automatic vs manual fucking
08:02:24 <elliott> wje
08:02:37 <Sgeo> Patashu, I feel stupid
08:02:47 <elliott> me 2
08:03:09 <Sgeo> ...horns?
08:03:13 <Sgeo> HOW IS THAT USEFUL AT ALL?
08:03:25 <Sgeo> I have a pair of horns on my head. Lovely.
08:03:32 <elliott> me 2
08:03:35 <elliott> wje
08:03:36 <Patashu> horns makes your headbutts do more damage
08:03:37 <Patashu> so basically
08:03:41 <Patashu> you're getting the perfect mutations for a tm
08:03:43 <elliott> wje
08:03:56 <Sgeo> Patashu, that was just the spell, not mutation
08:04:03 <Patashu> oh
08:04:05 <Patashu> beastly appendage?
08:04:10 <Sgeo> Yeah
08:04:18 <Patashu> you should probably find a weapon that isn't shit in that case
08:04:21 <Patashu> and also use that at the same time
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08:05:01 <elliott> wje
08:05:05 <Patashu> also
08:05:08 <Patashu> holy FUCK I'm bad at brogue
08:05:45 <elliott> just hink u never bad at brogue as im crawl
08:05:48 <elliott> im nevr gonna heck ur aim
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08:06:03 <elliott> ; )
08:06:36 <elliott> ;;;;;;;;;;;; )
08:06:41 <elliott> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; )
08:06:45 <elliott> my eyesnever stop multipleying
08:06:54 <elliott> ;;;;;;;; )
08:06:55 <elliott> oops
08:07:21 <elliott> welcome to petrol
08:07:26 <elliott> i know, i know, right ?
08:07:30 <elliott> welcome to petrol.
08:07:57 <Sgeo> Patashu, hand axe sufficient?
08:07:58 <elliott> dude
08:08:04 <elliott> you're gonna get kicked out of petrol with that attitude
08:08:09 <elliott> wje
08:08:10 <Patashu> hand axe is fine
08:08:10 <elliott> wje
08:08:11 <elliott> wje
08:08:17 <Patashu> it's not GOOD
08:08:18 <elliott> wje
08:08:19 <Patashu> but you're only on D:1
08:08:21 <Patashu> or w/er
08:08:21 <elliott> wje
08:08:37 <elliott> wje..... wje
08:08:44 <elliott> What would Jesus Eat
08:08:46 <elliott> wje
08:09:13 <elliott> whats jaws evolving
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08:09:19 <elliott> weak janitor excavation
08:09:36 <elliott> wasps jungle elliott
08:09:39 <elliott> wje
08:11:05 <elliott> why jerks elate
08:11:54 <elliott> rest in piece sgeo
08:11:58 <elliott> killed by fighting ogre
08:12:02 <Sgeo> I feel like I behaved stupidly
08:12:31 <elliott> i cannot say a thing
08:12:43 <Patashu> fighting ogres is a good way to die
08:12:46 <Patashu> until like
08:12:47 <Patashu> later
08:12:50 <Patashu> when they're suddenly fodder
08:12:53 <elliott> unless you can berk ber ke berk
08:12:56 <elliott> wje wje wje wje wje
08:13:04 <elliott> wow—jesus excretes
08:13:12 <elliott> wizards, jolly & ebullient
08:13:21 <elliott> wacky jew endemic
08:16:09 <Patashu> cool another death to vampire bats
08:16:12 <Patashu> I'm going to put brogue down
08:16:53 <elliott> more like bro gue
08:17:58 <Sgeo> RIP Sgoe
08:17:59 <Sgeo> Sgeo
08:18:03 <elliott> sgo
08:19:06 <Sgeo> elliott, playing again
08:20:15 <Sgeo> Uh
08:21:53 * Sgeo asks a question in ##crawl
08:24:23 <elliott> Sgeo: did mym essages get droped
08:24:36 <elliott> oh good
08:24:45 <Sgeo> I didn't notice until you said
08:24:50 <Sgeo> It does have the press _ thing
08:27:10 <Sgeo> Not a conductor?
08:28:53 <Sgeo> elliott, I'm scared
08:29:10 <Sgeo> elliott, should I zerk?
08:29:14 <elliott> always
08:29:57 <Sgeo> Your shield and crystal plate armour prevent you from hitting the jelly.
08:30:00 <Sgeo> Now I'm ticked
08:30:01 <elliott> rest in peace , Sgeo.
08:30:01 <Sgeo> >.>
08:30:02 <elliott> killed by tick
08:30:28 <Sgeo> elliott, feel free to call me an idiot
08:30:49 <elliott> no way, idiot
08:30:52 <Sgeo> I had so much stuff in inventory... although I was berserking
08:30:55 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSD_Program_Cubes oh boy can you say original research
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08:34:43 <fizzie> Origona... originnul... original resurr... original rece... origami resea... no, I can't.
08:35:00 <elliott> Me noother.
08:35:02 <elliott> Menather.
08:35:11 <elliott> fizzie: Can you add clog to the access list?
08:35:15 <elliott> If it loses its connection, it'll lose its +o.
08:35:17 <elliott> That's not very fair.
08:35:42 <Phantom_Hoover> Hey, I finally got around to taking a photo of the errors on booting Arch.
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08:35:58 <Phantom_Hoover> http://imgur.com/a8UqA
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08:36:15 <Phantom_Hoover> http://imgur.com/a8UqA
08:36:16 <elliott> VERY INTERESTING INDEED
08:36:27 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: thats just the stack trace
08:36:28 <elliott> useless
08:36:30 <elliott> need the actual error
08:36:45 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, and how do you suggest I get that?
08:36:55 <elliott> ask your moth^W^Wfizzie
08:37:05 <Sgeo> If you're short on gold for some particularly interesting commodity, you can place it onto your shopping list. The game will interrupt you when you have collected enough gold to finally purchase an item on that list. You can read the shopping list in the game with '$'.
08:37:07 <Sgeo> Interesting
08:37:23 <Phantom_Hoover> Oi, fizzie, fix my computer so I don't have to use Windows.
08:37:31 <Phantom_Hoover> (It's a humanitarian thing!)
08:37:55 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: If it fits in the video memory scrollback buffer, shift-pageup a bit.
08:38:11 <fizzie> Though it might be too far gone after the error message for that.
08:38:13 <Phantom_Hoover> You... can do that?
08:38:38 <fizzie> Well, you can normally. Perhaps not after a panic.
08:39:19 <fizzie> Alternatively, try a serial-console boot, that lets you log that stuff up.
08:39:31 <elliott> wje
08:39:31 <elliott> wje
08:39:31 <elliott> wje
08:39:32 <elliott> wje
08:39:34 <elliott> wje
08:39:36 <elliott> wje
08:39:39 <elliott> fizzie: is clog on access list yet
08:39:43 <fizzie> Nnno.
08:39:53 <elliott> what, jackals eat?
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08:40:02 <elliott> willingly joking ermins
08:40:07 <elliott> wje je e
08:40:26 <elliott> warped jenkins exquisitely
08:40:29 <elliott> wje wje wje
08:41:26 <elliott> ``wje''
08:41:28 <elliott> hall of the wje
08:41:30 <elliott> king of the wje
08:41:31 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `wje'': not found
08:41:31 <elliott> return of the wje
08:41:32 <elliott> wje of the wje
08:42:20 <elliott> `i'll always end up dying', he said, wje
08:42:22 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: i'll: not found
08:42:57 <elliott> Sgeo: whres your next game
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08:43:17 <elliott> hi Phantom_Hoover welcome to australia
08:43:23 <Sgeo> elliott, I'm reading the guide for some reason
08:43:23 <elliott> we're dead & burnt here
08:43:26 <Sgeo> Also should eat soon
08:43:33 <Phantom_Hoover> Shift-pageup doesn't work.
08:43:36 <elliott> —not that there's any accounting for taste—
08:43:44 <elliott> like a squirrel
08:43:49 <elliott> a sqrl
08:43:51 <elliott> sqrt
08:43:52 <Phantom_Hoover> What was that serial-console thing?
08:43:53 <elliott> sqrt sqrt sqrt
08:43:54 <elliott> wje wje wje wje
08:44:00 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: you'll need a serial cable
08:44:01 <elliott> and shit
08:44:11 <fizzie> And serial ports in both computers.
08:44:27 <Phantom_Hoover> OK, veto on that one.
08:44:52 <elliott> wait
08:44:59 <elliott> @ask monqy that german translation ISN'T faux german???
08:45:00 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:45:03 <elliott> @ask monqy like, it's real german?
08:45:03 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:45:16 <oklopol> wje
08:45:19 <elliott> wje
08:45:21 <elliott> wje wje wje wje wje
08:45:21 <elliott> wje
08:45:21 <oklopol> wje
08:45:23 <elliott> wje wje
08:45:25 <elliott> wje
08:45:26 <elliott> wje
08:45:28 <oklopol> wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:45:30 <elliott> wje wje wje wje wje
08:45:30 <oklopol> wje wje wje
08:45:32 <elliott> wje
08:45:34 <fizzie> A network console also exists, but your error might be slightly too early for that.
08:45:35 <oklopol> ooooooh wje!
08:45:41 <elliott> w—
08:45:41 <oklopol> wje wje wje
08:45:42 <elliott> —j
08:45:43 <elliott> e—
08:45:47 <oklopol> jwe jwe
08:45:50 <elliott> w————j——————e——————
08:45:51 <oklopol> jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe
08:45:53 <elliott> —w—j—e
08:45:54 <oklopol> jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
08:45:55 <elliott> –w–j–e–
08:45:56 <oklopol> jeeeeeeeeew
08:45:59 <elliott> “““““““““““““““
08:46:02 <elliott> ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘
08:46:05 <elliott> ”””””””””””
08:46:06 <oklopol> wait jew is a word
08:46:07 <elliott> ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
08:46:14 <elliott> ^∫wje
08:46:15 <oklopol> wje wje wje wje wje
08:46:17 <Phantom_Hoover> oklopol, no its not
08:46:17 <elliott> ∆wje∆
08:46:22 <elliott> `w`jè
08:46:25 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: w`jè: not found
08:46:26 <Phantom_Hoover> thats just part of the jewish conspiracy
08:46:28 <elliott> πwjeœ
08:46:31 <elliott> ≈wje≈
08:46:34 <elliott> ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ
08:46:35 <elliott> wje
08:46:35 <elliott> ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ
08:46:41 <elliott> what's jones eating?
08:46:46 <oklopol> wje,
08:46:48 <oklopol> oviously
08:46:49 <elliott> will jackals emenate?
08:46:53 <oklopol> oviously.
08:46:57 <elliott> would john excrete
08:47:01 <elliott> wje je e
08:47:06 <elliott> ≤wje≥
08:47:09 <elliott> ˚wje˚
08:47:16 <elliott> ≠wje≠
08:47:27 <elliott> «wje»
08:48:21 <elliott> # NOTE TO SELF: IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, FIX IT
08:48:23 <elliott> —monqy
08:48:30 <Sgeo> Apart from divine help, the most convenient way to do so is by reading a scroll of amnesia, which will let you pick a scroll to forget.
08:48:43 <elliott> : function try_corpsey_chunky_thing()
08:48:44 <Sgeo> Yes, please help me forget this scroll
08:49:07 <elliott> @tell monqy was rly disappointed that this code is well laid-out and readable
08:49:08 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:49:15 <elliott> @tell monqy please make it worse
08:49:15 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:50:47 <elliott> you silly slug
08:50:48 <elliott> you willy wlug
08:50:50 <elliott> wje wje wje
08:50:52 <elliott> wje wje wje
08:50:59 <elliott> ¯wje¯
08:51:03 <elliott> ˘˘˘˘wje ˘
08:51:08 <elliott> ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷
08:51:14 <elliott> ¡wje!
08:51:17 <elliott> ∞ wje ∞
08:51:23 <elliott> ^rainbow wje
08:51:24 <fungot> wje
08:51:26 <elliott> ^rainbow wje wje wje
08:51:26 <fungot> wje wje wje
08:51:31 <elliott> ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:31 <fungot> wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:34 <elliott> ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:34 <fungot> wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:35 <elliott> ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:35 <fungot> wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:36 <elliott> ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:36 <fungot> wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje
08:51:40 <elliott> ————wje
08:51:51 <elliott> wjang
08:51:52 <elliott> wjar
08:51:53 <elliott> wje
08:51:54 <elliott> wje
08:51:55 <elliott> wje wje wje
08:52:01 <elliott> Hello,
08:59:12 <elliott> Sgeo: play play play
08:59:53 <Sgeo> I need to eat
08:59:57 <elliott> ok
09:00:00 <Sgeo> elliott, ok, I'll play a little with XOm
09:00:04 <elliott> you dont
09:00:05 <elliott> have to
09:00:07 <elliott> eat instade
09:00:16 <oklopol> wjeg
09:00:31 <oklopol> what is wje
09:00:31 <Sgeo> lol with Chaos Knight, none of the species are recommended
09:00:33 <oklopol> who is wje
09:00:38 <Sgeo> So I guess Chaos Knight is never recommended
09:00:47 <elliott> oklopol: nothing is wje
09:00:52 <oklopol> dudde
09:00:54 <oklopol> you can't do that
09:01:01 <elliott> wje can
09:01:12 <elliott> breathe the forging of a new era
09:01:13 <elliott> wje wje wje
09:01:22 <Sgeo> elliott, I am a HOCK
09:01:28 <elliott> me too
09:01:40 <Sgeo> elliott, you watching?
09:01:45 <elliott> yes
09:02:48 <Sgeo> Brits
09:04:17 <oklopol> is "force" used in english in the sense of forcing a new meme? i can't find this in the urbandictionary, but what else would you use for it.
09:04:28 <elliott> sure
09:05:06 <oklopol> it's almost as if that place sucks ass worms
09:09:12 <Sgeo> While it is active, you can't eat unless you are starving or near starving (and you only get half nutrition then).
09:17:00 <Sgeo> elliott, XOM
09:18:59 <elliott> @time
09:19:00 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is 2012-04-22 09:18:59 +0000
09:19:05 <Sgeo> elliott, stones. Such a great gift
09:19:14 <elliott> i love sti edtrf
09:19:17 <elliott> nes
09:19:21 <elliott> wje
09:20:36 <Sgeo> Probably a useless amulet, but whatever
09:24:59 <Sgeo> elliott, did Xom just save my life?
09:25:05 <elliott> ##
09:25:05 <elliott> Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:05 <elliott> Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:07 <elliott> Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:09 <elliott> Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:11 <elliott> Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:13 <elliott> _Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
09:25:15 <elliott> wje
09:26:11 <Sgeo> I have no idea if that was a waste
09:26:30 <elliott> more like a wjeste
09:27:41 <Sgeo> Fun
09:27:46 * Sgeo barfs on elliott
09:27:53 <elliott> hi
09:28:04 <Sgeo> I'm going to go eat IRL
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10:07:24 <Patashu> hey elliott
10:07:28 <elliott> hi
10:07:33 <Patashu> so I just thought, if you're going to play a berzerker anyway
10:07:39 <elliott> yeah
10:07:39 <Patashu> the point of being in light armour is so you can also cast spells, right
10:07:42 <Patashu> (in crawl anyway)
10:07:48 <elliott> well sure
10:07:49 <Patashu> so if you worship trog I can't figure out what the point is
10:07:53 <Patashu> anyway the cool thing about armour is
10:07:57 <elliott> (i heard crawl's magic is boring though)
10:07:59 <Patashu> guaranteed damage reduction
10:08:04 <Patashu> (crawl's magic is cool fuck da haters)
10:08:06 <elliott> that's
10:08:09 <elliott> kind of the point of armour yes
10:08:13 <elliott> to protect you
10:08:46 <Patashu> GDR is actually slightly different from AC
10:08:55 <Patashu> it's based only on the base armour class of what you're wearing
10:09:39 <Patashu> 14 * (base AC-2)^(1/2)% is your GDR
10:09:44 <Patashu> in plate armour that's a whopping 39.6%
10:09:50 <Patashu> and it always works
10:09:56 <elliott> wait no monqy said
10:09:57 <elliott> no plate
10:09:58 <elliott> and
10:10:00 <Patashu> (unlike AC itself, which is just -1dAC)
10:10:05 <elliott> i really don't like the kind of people monqy doesn't like
10:10:06 <elliott> so
10:10:08 <elliott> i can't become that
10:10:20 <Patashu> monqy is silly
10:10:25 <Patashu> you can wear plate as soon as you're in 18 str
10:10:32 <Patashu> the problem is finding a set, but until you find plate you can just use whatever you find
10:10:33 <elliott> no, monqy is my guide
10:12:37 <elliott> how can i be anything without monqy
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10:14:46 <Patashu> the other cool thing about GDR is
10:14:52 <Patashu> you don't have to put -anything- in the armour skill for it to kick in
10:14:57 <Patashu> it works basically for free
10:15:10 <elliott> on the other hand
10:15:12 <elliott> monqy will say hi at me
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10:16:19 <Patashu> other things you can do: pick up and throw darts/spears/javelins at tough (melee) monsters while waiting for them to approach, pillar dance, fully explore each level before descending to the next
10:17:49 <elliott> last one is fucking boring jesus
10:17:52 <elliott> i tried that to start with
10:21:57 <Patashu> it does take a while, yes
10:22:03 <Patashu> but it improves your survivability A LOT
10:22:12 <elliott> fuuuuck
10:22:13 <elliott> it
10:22:16 <Patashu> and I find the later part of the game more fun than the earlier parts
10:22:16 <elliott> have you even SEEN the levels
10:22:18 <elliott> boring as shit
10:22:19 <Patashu> uh, yes
10:22:19 <elliott> yes
10:22:21 <elliott> that's what everyone says
10:22:24 <elliott> that's why i try to get to them
10:22:30 <Patashu> well
10:22:35 <Patashu> you won't get to them if you keep dying
10:22:36 <Patashu> is the thing
10:22:57 <elliott> i've been dying less each time!
10:23:09 <elliott> fuck you man i'm gonna start a new game
10:23:13 <elliott> and WIN
10:23:16 <Patashu> cool
10:23:18 <Patashu> I'll watch
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10:24:39 <elliott> im on
10:24:44 <elliott> yes trog
10:24:46 <elliott> im kill them all
10:26:00 <elliott> wonder if that's worth getting
10:26:00 <elliott> nah
10:26:23 <Patashu> short swords kind of blow
10:26:23 <Patashu> iirc
10:26:40 <Patashu> wear the gloves
10:26:46 <Patashu> wait
10:26:49 <Patashu> why are you in red poison
10:26:50 <Patashu> oh
10:26:53 <Patashu> kobold with a dagger of venom
10:27:03 <Patashu> cool
10:27:05 <Patashu> now you're berserk and dead
10:27:09 <elliott> that's my
10:27:10 <elliott> *me
10:27:16 <elliott> well
10:27:18 <elliott> i almost won
10:27:24 <elliott> let's try that again
10:27:24 <Patashu> you were so close to the orb
10:27:26 <elliott> yeah
10:27:31 <elliott> i don't even know where the orb is
10:27:35 <elliott> how many levels of dungeon are there before actual shit
10:28:06 <Patashu> 27 levels of the dungeon, then 5 levels of zot
10:28:10 <Patashu> buuut you need 3 runes to get into zot
10:28:13 <Patashu> and there are 0 runes in the main dungeon
10:28:23 <elliott> do you go to space to get them
10:28:30 <Patashu> something like that
10:28:36 <Patashu> except replace 'space' with 'snakes' 'the ocean' etc
10:28:39 <Patashu> 'hell'
10:28:39 <elliott> hmm
10:28:43 <Patashu> it's great fun
10:28:47 <elliott> oh leather
10:28:51 <Patashu> try it
10:28:54 <elliott> fiiine
10:29:11 <Patashu> nb
10:29:17 <elliott> should i drop my aminal skin
10:29:22 <elliott> or might it be useful later
10:29:48 <elliott> bugger
10:30:04 <elliott> awesome
10:30:14 <elliott> less awesome
10:30:26 <elliott> uhhh maybe i should switch back to animal skin
10:30:40 <Patashu> 'curse' in crawl just means you can't take it off
10:30:40 <Patashu> so
10:30:45 <Patashu> pretty irrelevant right now
10:30:53 <Patashu> it's not like nethack where
10:31:05 <Patashu> cursed items turn into shitty versions
10:31:10 <elliott> ha ha berk time
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10:31:29 <elliott> well that went better than expected
10:31:54 <elliott> good god
10:31:59 <elliott> it's a shaft party today
10:32:09 <Patashu> wow
10:32:12 <Patashu> are you on D:4 at xl 2
10:32:12 <Patashu> nice
10:32:15 <elliott> shafts
10:32:44 <Patashu> kill the newt
10:32:51 <Patashu> unlike iguanas and geckos, which are incredibly dangerous
10:32:52 <elliott> ahahahaha
10:32:53 <Patashu> newts are harmless
10:32:55 <elliott> orc priest
10:32:57 <Patashu> oo nice
10:33:01 <Patashu> you could die in two smites
10:33:09 <elliott> hmm
10:33:21 <elliott> oh i can't berk
10:33:25 <elliott> guess the choice is easy
10:33:52 <Patashu> hahahahahahha
10:33:53 <elliott> lol
10:33:59 <elliott> i am so dead
10:34:26 <elliott> surprised i lasted that long
10:34:34 <elliott> let's try that again
10:37:44 <Patashu> zap test the wand
10:38:01 <Patashu> as in
10:38:03 <Patashu> zap it at someone else
10:38:07 <elliott> right
10:38:09 <elliott> what's the key for that :P
10:38:09 <Patashu> oh
10:38:10 <Patashu> zap is v
10:38:13 <elliott> thx
10:38:13 <Patashu> in crawl
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10:38:19 <Patashu> (z is for zpells)
10:38:38 <Patashu> so d is enchant armour or recharging
10:38:39 <Patashu> btw
10:38:45 <elliott> AWESOME
10:39:32 <Patashu> try on the ring
10:39:37 <Patashu> P
10:39:51 <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/wiki/--C-%3DC-C--
10:39:52 <Patashu> zap test that wand already
10:40:06 <elliott> oh do i have to equip it
10:40:07 <Patashu> no
10:40:08 <Patashu> V
10:40:13 <elliott> oh capital V
10:40:28 <elliott> well
10:40:31 <elliott> that was not a desirable outcome
10:40:35 <Patashu> it's cool
10:40:36 <Patashu> you can own a gnoll
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10:42:01 <elliott> shrug
10:42:05 <elliott> guess that's useless?
10:42:05 <Patashu> again
10:42:08 <Patashu> the enchantment isn't so important
10:42:10 <Patashu> it's the gdr
10:42:14 <elliott> bah, fine
10:42:26 <Patashu> scrolll
10:42:28 <Patashu> s
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10:42:32 <elliott> ha
10:42:33 <Patashu> lol
10:42:36 <Patashu> and the other?
10:42:38 <elliott> how bad is that?
10:42:47 <elliott> i.e., do i desperately need a new mace
10:42:51 <Patashu> again
10:42:54 <Patashu> it just means you can't take it off
10:42:54 <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/wiki/--C-%3DC-C--
10:43:03 <elliott> NSQX: the message came through
10:43:12 <elliott> Patashu: right, but wielding isn't wearing, so I wasn't sure
10:43:16 <Patashu> you should mentally replace 'curse' and 'cursed' with 'glue' and 'glued'
10:43:20 <Patashu> and that's what cursing is in crawl
10:43:54 <elliott> i wonder why i automatically picked up a cheese
10:43:59 <Patashu> you can eat cheese
10:44:01 <Patashu> since it's not blacked out
10:44:09 <elliott> i guess cheese is kind of meaty
10:44:13 <elliott> woot
10:44:14 <Patashu> id a potion
10:44:22 <elliott> way ahead of you
10:44:30 <Patashu> wear the other ring
10:44:31 <NSQX> HAI! KTHXBAI!
10:44:45 <Patashu> oh
10:44:46 <Patashu> you don't want that
10:44:47 <Patashu> take it off
10:44:51 <Patashu> T
10:44:52 <Patashu> or R
10:44:54 <Patashu> or something
10:44:55 <Patashu> yeah R
10:45:14 <Patashu> (you don't want rings of ice/fire since they make you vulnerable to the opposite element)
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10:45:21 <Patashu> (they also boost spells of that element, but you're a caveman)
10:45:25 <Patashu> woooorms
10:45:55 <Patashu> LOL
10:45:58 <elliott> holy crap
10:45:59 <Patashu> jesus
10:46:02 <Patashu> go up those stairs
10:46:15 <elliott> HAHAHA
10:46:20 <Patashu> what the fuck
10:46:23 <elliott> nobody can ever tell me crawl isn't cruel and arbitrary
10:46:24 <Patashu> smiting can do that much?
10:46:34 <Patashu> oh
10:46:35 <Patashu> it's 7-17
10:46:36 <Patashu> guess it can
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10:46:57 <elliott> i will admit, this is a very funny game
10:47:01 <elliott> ok let's try that AGAIN
10:47:01 <Patashu> yes
10:47:03 <Patashu> that was pretty funny
10:47:08 <Patashu> it's like all the bad guys were having a meeting
10:47:11 <Patashu> and you stumbled in
10:47:50 <Patashu> run
10:47:52 <Patashu> or do that
10:47:53 <Patashu> sure
10:47:55 <Patashu> (luck)
10:48:01 <elliott> i'm a kobold too
10:48:07 <elliott> it'd probably have killed me while I was running away
10:48:26 <Patashu> when I say 'pillar dancing' do you know what that means
10:48:49 <elliott> not really, though i recall the term existing
10:49:00 <Patashu> pillar dancing is where you exploit the property of being as fast or faster than your opponent
10:49:08 <Patashu> finding a closed circuit
10:49:12 <Patashu> and running around the circuit with them chasing you
10:49:14 <Patashu> to regenerate
10:49:26 <elliott> yeah that falls well under "boring rubbish i can't be bothered with"
10:49:52 <Patashu> why do you even want advice then
10:49:57 <elliott> well
10:49:58 <Patashu> if you're just playing it to see how horribly you die
10:50:01 <elliott> no
10:50:06 <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F36-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F35-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPB8B5F2A0-3C92-11d3-A3A9-4C7B08C10000
10:50:09 <elliott> i just don't want to get into situations where i have to do that in the first place
10:50:20 <Patashu> that's kind of hard, though
10:50:25 <elliott> yeah
10:50:26 <elliott> but
10:50:26 <Patashu> since when you start you're very vulnerable and have no resources
10:50:32 <elliott> so is winning in the first place :p
10:50:38 <elliott> and yeah yeah i know i'd just rather take some risks earlier on
10:50:42 <Patashu> I've only played crawl ~30 times
10:50:44 <Patashu> and won 3 times
10:50:47 <Patashu> winning crawl is pretty easy
10:50:52 <elliott> it means i'll have to restart more often, but it also means that i won't be bored to death
10:51:10 <hagb4rd> hey, what game are you talking about`? another nethack-like?
10:51:16 <Patashu> dungeon crawl
10:51:19 <elliott> dungeon crawl stone soup
10:51:35 <Patashu> telnet crawl.develz.org port 345
10:51:39 <hagb4rd> thx
10:51:40 <Patashu> and watch elliott play
10:51:45 <Patashu> or play yourself !!
10:51:48 <elliott> s/play/flail/
10:53:04 <Patashu> are you ever going to pick up darts and throw them at things, btw
10:53:05 <Patashu> instead of waiting
10:53:11 <Patashu> darts blow but it's slightly better than waiting around
10:53:13 <elliott> yeah ok
10:53:17 <elliott> i haven't seen many darts around this time
10:53:24 <Patashu> yeah it's a bit random
10:53:26 <Patashu> autoexplore doesn't pick them up tho
10:53:28 <Patashu> so look out for them
10:53:44 <elliott> fuck
10:53:46 <elliott> there they were
10:53:55 <NSQX> http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F35-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
10:53:59 <Patashu> there what were
10:54:14 <elliott> darts
10:54:18 <Patashu> ctrl+f
10:54:19 <Patashu> dart
10:54:20 <Patashu> enter
10:54:28 <elliott> oh, right
10:54:33 <Patashu> 33 is enough
10:54:35 <elliott> nethack doesn't have that kind of nonsense
10:54:35 <Patashu> quiver them
10:54:37 <Patashu> yeah
10:54:41 <Patashu> this is why crawl is the superior game
10:55:11 <Patashu> btw
10:55:14 <Patashu> might does not stack with berk
10:55:23 <elliott> lame
10:55:25 <Patashu> well
10:55:27 <Patashu> berk GIVES might
10:55:29 <Patashu> as part of its package deal
10:55:37 <elliott> you can always have more might
10:55:46 <Patashu> if you want more might S instead of D
10:55:48 <Patashu> imo
10:56:23 * NSQX attempts to freeze the conversations about anything else than esoteric programming languages on #esoteric
10:56:32 <elliott> they're unfreezable
10:56:35 <elliott> they're the backbone of this channel
10:56:46 <Patashu> darts
10:56:48 <Patashu> oh nvm
10:56:50 <Patashu> it cornered itself
10:56:55 <Patashu> wel
10:57:11 <NSQX> <CTCP>SHOOT Patashu<CTCP>
10:57:28 <Patashu> oo
10:57:29 <Patashu> buckler
10:57:31 <Patashu> get the buckler
10:57:41 <Patashu> kill them first yeah
10:57:54 <Patashu> wear it also
10:58:20 <Patashu> berk
10:58:21 <Patashu> yeah
10:58:27 <Patashu> to figure out what's in a big pile
10:58:29 <Patashu> stand over it and gg
10:58:36 <elliott> rrrr
10:58:38 * Sgeo prefers ,, for some reason
10:58:46 <Sgeo> I think because NetHak
10:58:48 <Patashu> try the flail
10:58:49 <Sgeo> NetHack
10:58:59 <Sgeo> Also, because Wulfram II
10:59:12 <Sgeo> Wait, I forget what , did in Wulfram II
10:59:21 <Sgeo> One of , and . was drop and the other was install
10:59:22 <NSQX> echo
10:59:23 <Patashu> wear the cloak too
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10:59:24 <Sgeo> Forget which was which
10:59:31 <Patashu> cloooak :(
10:59:44 <Patashu> cloak? cloak! clooooaaakk
11:00:06 <elliott> oh
11:00:06 <Patashu> pray instead of butcher
11:00:08 <Patashu> you're really full
11:00:13 <Patashu> you can't eat all that shit
11:00:34 <elliott> wiat, where is the claok
11:00:37 <Sgeo> elliott, just press enter when the map comes up
11:00:37 <Patashu> ctrl+f cloak
11:00:38 <Patashu> a
11:00:38 <Patashu> enter
11:00:44 <Patashu> bam
11:00:44 <elliott> oh, there
11:00:45 <Patashu> magic
11:01:02 <Patashu> you can take him
11:01:08 <elliott> not a single HP down
11:01:09 <elliott> bam
11:01:14 <Patashu> yeah ijyb is a pussy
11:01:47 <elliott> is edmund a pussy
11:01:57 <Patashu> tip
11:01:59 <Patashu> his name is in red
11:02:09 <Patashu> I wouldn't fight him right now
11:02:13 <elliott> that's the colour of nearly dead things tho just logicing for you
11:02:13 <Patashu> b-a-a-a-ack away
11:02:21 <Patashu> can you get to a staircase?
11:02:26 <elliott> a downstairs, yes
11:02:29 <elliott> or that upstairs, but it's one way
11:02:32 <Patashu> that's fine
11:02:33 <Patashu> take it
11:02:49 <Patashu> lol
11:02:51 <Patashu> ok
11:02:53 <Patashu> now he's going to follow you up
11:02:54 <Patashu> gj
11:03:01 <elliott> dude
11:03:01 <Patashu> oh wow
11:03:03 <Patashu> wtf
11:03:05 <elliott> he's not so bad
11:03:05 <Patashu> then why
11:03:06 <Patashu> what
11:03:08 <Patashu> well
11:03:08 <Patashu> ok
11:03:11 <Patashu> take his flail
11:03:18 <elliott> and the ring mail?
11:03:24 <Patashu> uhh sure
11:03:29 <Patashu> wield the flail
11:03:30 <Patashu> be manly
11:03:36 <Patashu> also, that wasn't one way at all
11:03:37 <elliott> oops
11:03:38 <Patashu> wtf are you talking about
11:03:46 <Patashu> hmm
11:03:48 <Patashu> how much does pain do again
11:03:55 <elliott> i thought green was one way but APPARENTLY NOT
11:03:57 <Patashu> oh
11:03:59 <Patashu> pain won't do anything for you
11:04:02 <Patashu> but
11:04:07 <Patashu> it might have good ++s
11:04:10 <Patashu> so try it out for a while
11:04:19 <Patashu> (basically, pain does more damage the higher your necromancy skill is)
11:04:29 <elliott> it seemed a bit weak there
11:04:32 <Patashu> (it's a brand designed for a certain build, which is weird but ok)
11:04:34 <elliott> but i guess i am lower in the dungeon
11:04:46 <Patashu> use it until it reveals what its +s are
11:04:48 <Patashu> then try the protection flail
11:04:49 <elliott> alright
11:05:02 <Patashu> sometimes id scrolls let you id more
11:05:08 <elliott> uhhh
11:05:09 <Patashu> id a different scroll
11:05:11 <Patashu> at this point
11:05:11 <elliott> alright
11:05:15 <Patashu> cool
11:05:15 <elliott> awesome
11:05:16 <Patashu> blinking
11:05:19 <Patashu> is the best scroll in the game
11:05:20 <Patashu> btw
11:05:28 <elliott> wait i have darts
11:05:29 <elliott> how do you dart
11:05:31 <Patashu> f enter
11:05:38 <elliott> neat
11:05:51 <Patashu> oh
11:05:53 <Patashu> swap to the flail of protection
11:05:58 <Patashu> ditch the flail of pain you'll never use it
11:06:07 <elliott> is that why edmund was such a wuss
11:06:11 <Patashu> possibly
11:06:40 <Patashu> dart it
11:06:43 <Patashu> w/e
11:06:45 <Patashu> it'll come back
11:07:11 <elliott> whoah
11:07:14 <elliott> how did those get checked
11:07:36 <Patashu> when you get a new thing you can train the skill associated with it
11:07:40 <Patashu> (and it turns it on automatically)
11:07:42 <elliott> ah
11:07:48 <Patashu> dart the ogre
11:07:55 <elliott> i already shouted but ok
11:08:01 <Patashu> you should have darted it imo
11:08:06 <Patashu> aha
11:08:07 <Patashu> dart it
11:08:13 <Patashu> berk
11:08:20 <Patashu> or that sure
11:08:29 <Patashu> get your darts
11:08:37 <Patashu> idk why you aren't autopicking them up
11:08:45 <elliott> i am there
11:08:49 <Sgeo> Patashu, the ones he didn't autopickup weren''t his I think
11:08:56 <Patashu> maybe
11:09:08 <elliott> cool
11:09:08 <Patashu> woah, I clicked something and I'm seeing a replay of elliot's entire game
11:09:15 <Patashu> oh, wand of fire is great
11:09:19 <Patashu> since it's a 'bolt' and not a 'puff'
11:09:20 <Patashu> it pierces
11:09:28 <Patashu> so you can use it to rape multiple enemies at once
11:09:30 <Patashu> hit priests at the back
11:09:31 <Patashu> etc
11:09:41 <Patashu> if you see something and you're like OMG
11:09:43 <Patashu> check your inventory first
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11:10:54 <Patashu> I'll just repeat what I said
11:11:00 <Patashu> since it's a 'bolt' and not a 'puff' it pierces multiple enemies
11:11:15 <elliottasdf> cool
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11:11:25 <Patashu> stop
11:11:29 <Patashu> don't throw darts
11:11:31 <Patashu> do you know why?
11:11:33 <Patashu> when jellies eat
11:11:33 <elliott> nope
11:11:34 <Patashu> -they gain hp-
11:11:35 <elliott> oh
11:11:36 <elliott> lovely
11:11:39 <Patashu> yeah
11:11:40 <Patashu> so
11:11:42 <Patashu> wield that mace
11:11:44 <Patashu> and bludgeon it to death
11:11:46 <Patashu> then throw it away
11:11:50 <Patashu> oh wow
11:11:57 <Patashu> hahahahahaha
11:12:01 <Patashu> 100% luck
11:12:13 <Patashu> back to the flail
11:12:15 <Patashu> enchant weapon II it
11:12:22 <elliott> -1 cloak
11:12:23 <elliott> lovely
11:12:26 <Patashu> ditch the cloak
11:12:28 <Patashu> it's no good anymore
11:12:34 <elliott> ive got 2 more
11:12:36 <elliott> should i use them all?
11:12:41 <Patashu> sure
11:12:52 <elliott> erm
11:13:04 <Patashu> what about your other scrolls
11:13:25 <Sgeo> elliott, feel any desire to switch gods?
11:13:28 <elliott> nope
11:13:34 <Patashu> if you mean mid game
11:13:37 <Patashu> DON'T abandon trog
11:13:45 <Patashu> he is frighteningly vengeful
11:13:46 <Sgeo> Patashu, I was joking since elliott found an altar
11:13:49 <Patashu> oh
11:13:50 <elliott> im just
11:13:50 <Patashu> good
11:13:52 <elliott> avoiding that jelly
11:13:54 <Patashu> sure
11:14:06 <elliott> wh
11:14:07 <Patashu> close the door
11:14:08 <Patashu> C
11:14:11 <Sgeo> Patashu, didn't know Trog was vengeful though
11:14:16 <Patashu> now just wait
11:14:20 <Patashu> and then beat the centaur's face in
11:14:22 <Patashu> now
11:14:24 <Patashu> also berk
11:14:25 <elliott> berk?
11:14:42 <Patashu> you killed all the things
11:14:42 <Patashu> gj
11:14:46 <Sgeo> slurping noise?
11:14:59 <Patashu> jelly
11:15:04 <Patashu> get your wand out
11:15:05 <elliott> ha-a
11:15:09 <Patashu> or wait
11:15:09 <Patashu> first
11:15:10 <Patashu> close the door
11:15:17 <Patashu> now back away
11:15:22 <Patashu> not like that
11:15:25 <Patashu> south sw
11:15:25 <Sgeo> Patashu, are spellbooks useful with Trog, in the "nice way to place a trap for things that I can trigger" way?
11:15:30 <Sgeo> Or is that more annoying than anything
11:15:32 <Patashu> sgeo: they're not useful ENOUGH
11:15:37 <Patashu> but it makes a conjure flame where you put it
11:15:41 <Patashu> (also, you can throw a book then ignite it)
11:15:45 <elliott> is my wand really gonna be useful
11:15:49 <Patashu> yes
11:15:53 <elliott> fuck
11:15:55 <elliott> typo
11:15:55 <Sgeo> oho
11:15:57 <Patashu> try the wand
11:16:08 <Patashu> again, aim at that furthest orc
11:16:22 <Patashu> now just bash his face in
11:16:29 <elliott> he's smiting
11:16:33 <Patashu> ok wand him then
11:16:40 <Patashu> rofl
11:16:50 <Patashu> he is not dying today
11:16:51 <Patashu> rest
11:16:53 <elliott> he died
11:16:57 <Patashu> yeah finally
11:16:58 <Patashu> or well
11:16:59 <Patashu> corpses
11:16:59 <Patashu> then rest
11:17:20 <Patashu> feed yourself
11:17:44 <elliott> lol
11:17:49 <Patashu> read d
11:17:50 <Patashu> it's remove curse
11:17:57 <elliott> oh neat
11:18:01 <Sgeo> Why does cursing matter if it's a good weapon anyway?
11:18:01 <Patashu> see
11:18:09 <Patashu> sgeo: he can't butcher with a cursed mace in his hands
11:18:10 <elliott> hmmm
11:18:10 <Patashu> since it's blunt
11:18:12 <elliott> sigmund
11:18:13 <Patashu> oh
11:18:14 <Patashu> hey sigmund
11:18:16 <Patashu> go one ne
11:18:20 <Patashu> w/e
11:18:21 <Patashu> oh
11:18:21 <Patashu> hand
11:18:24 <Patashu> oh
11:18:25 <Patashu> w/e
11:18:26 <Patashu> just beat him up
11:18:32 <Patashu> ok
11:18:36 <Patashu> Gretell> elliott (L8 KoBe) killed Sigmund. (D:5)
11:18:37 <Patashu> congrats
11:18:41 <elliott> \o/
11:18:42 <myndzi> |
11:18:42 <myndzi> /|
11:18:43 <elliott> is that hard or something
11:18:48 <Patashu> he is hard because
11:18:50 <Patashu> he knows confuse but
11:18:53 <Patashu> trogs hand will help you resist it but
11:18:57 <Patashu> he's dead now
11:19:04 <elliott> beautiful sentence structure there
11:19:07 <Patashu> thanks
11:19:11 <Patashu> trog's hand gives you 'MR'
11:19:14 <Patashu> MR does NOT help you resist damage
11:19:19 <Patashu> what it does help you do is shrug off status effects
11:19:24 <Patashu> like paralysis and confusion
11:19:35 <elliott> i guessed
11:20:02 <elliott> gnoll fuckin shaman??? bullshit
11:20:03 <Patashu> back up
11:20:49 <Patashu> back up
11:20:52 <Patashu> or hmm
11:20:59 <elliott> i'll just berk him in one go
11:21:11 <Patashu> sure
11:21:26 <elliott> do i want the staff
11:21:29 <Patashu> no
11:21:31 <Patashu> you'll never use staves
11:21:55 <elliott> btw how do i see how many turns in i am
11:22:21 <Sgeo> Patashu, the ***... is piety?
11:23:38 <elliott> @ping
11:23:38 <lambdabot> pong
11:23:53 <Patashu> back
11:23:57 <Patashu> oh
11:24:00 <Patashu> to do that you have to edit your rc
11:24:12 <elliott> i mean
11:24:14 <elliott> just as a batch thing
11:24:16 <elliott> not as a constant display
11:24:20 <elliott> like a stats screen or w/e
11:24:22 <Patashu> show_gold_turns = true
11:24:22 <Patashu> show_game_turns = true
11:24:25 <Patashu> this is what you want to turn on
11:24:26 <Patashu> oh
11:24:28 <Patashu> uhh
11:24:32 <Patashu> it's one of the keys
11:24:32 <elliott> meh
11:24:34 <Patashu> %
11:24:41 <elliott> neat
11:24:42 <Patashu> no?
11:24:43 <Patashu> oh
11:24:44 <Patashu> it's in the top right
11:24:45 <Patashu> yeah
11:24:46 <elliott> ok is this sabre worth anything
11:24:54 <Patashu> it's an artifact
11:24:56 <Patashu> but you don't use sords
11:24:59 <elliott> meh
11:25:04 <Patashu> zap test the waned
11:25:12 <elliott> too late
11:25:18 <Patashu> lol
11:25:19 <Patashu> zap test it on that
11:25:21 <elliott> inept staircase mimic!
11:25:24 <elliott> can i make that my pet
11:25:25 <Patashu> both of them
11:25:29 <Patashu> maybe...
11:25:33 <Patashu> do it again
11:25:45 <Patashu> rofl
11:25:45 <elliott> bah
11:25:51 <Patashu> maybe find something with less MR
11:25:58 <Patashu> like that rat
11:26:12 <elliott> oh motherfuck
11:26:13 <Patashu> teleportation is one of the best wands
11:26:13 <Patashu> since
11:26:17 <Patashu> you can zap yourself with it
11:26:18 <Patashu> ok
11:26:20 <Patashu> back up
11:26:21 <Patashu> to that corner
11:26:29 <Patashu> the imp won't hurt you
11:26:32 <elliott> i know
11:26:33 <Patashu> the centaur can't hit you as long as the imp is there
11:26:35 <Patashu> ya
11:26:43 <Patashu> killdudes
11:26:45 <elliott> yep
11:26:51 <elliott> it'll blink... yep
11:26:55 <elliott> berk time
11:27:02 <elliott> anticlimatic
11:27:22 <Patashu> more wands
11:27:26 <elliott> is that the same ghost
11:27:29 <Patashu> go one sw
11:27:39 <Patashu> wait one turn then go one ne
11:27:45 <Patashu> perfect
11:27:45 <Patashu> kill it
11:27:49 <elliott> oops
11:27:52 <Patashu> lol
11:27:56 <Sgeo> You're not going to get any treasures from it
11:28:04 <Patashu> zap test on the quokka
11:28:07 <elliott> oops
11:28:08 <Patashu> or w/e
11:28:09 <Patashu> np
11:28:19 <Patashu> lol
11:28:20 <Patashu> nice
11:28:20 <elliott> awesome
11:28:24 <elliott> how long do i get to keep it
11:28:25 <Patashu> you know what enslavement is good on, right?
11:28:26 <Patashu> orcs
11:28:27 <Patashu> not long
11:28:31 <elliott> oh well
11:28:40 <Patashu> try the other one on it
11:28:45 <Patashu> say yes
11:28:46 <Patashu> nice
11:28:52 <elliott> not long at all, as it turns out
11:28:52 <Patashu> now id your shit
11:29:00 <Patashu> oh
11:29:05 <Patashu> you don't have much shit to id
11:29:06 <Patashu> actually
11:29:08 <Patashu> id your wand of teleportatoin
11:29:18 <Patashu> because teleportation is a useful escape mechanism
11:29:26 <Patashu> do you have recharging?
11:29:29 <Patashu> or something that might be recharging
11:29:32 <Patashu> try e on it
11:29:34 <elliott> nope
11:29:37 <elliott> e on what
11:29:40 <Patashu> e could be recharging
11:29:44 <Patashu> on the wand of teleportation
11:29:45 <elliott> oh
11:29:50 <elliott> ha
11:29:50 <Patashu> nice
11:30:15 <Patashu> try on the crude ring mail
11:30:16 <Sgeo> Scrolls of random uselessness are the best
11:30:37 <Patashu> it's over there <--
11:30:48 <elliott> ooh
11:30:55 <Sgeo> randart
11:30:58 <Patashu> yes
11:31:01 <elliott> waht
11:31:10 <Sgeo> Randomly generated artifact
11:31:12 <elliott> ah
11:31:17 <elliott> can i drop my naimal skin now
11:31:20 <elliott> and this ring mail
11:31:20 <Patashu> sure
11:31:22 <Patashu> yup
11:31:24 <elliott> actually
11:31:24 <elliott> meh
11:31:26 <elliott> i'm unencumbered
11:31:27 <Patashu> lol
11:31:27 <elliott> it can wait
11:31:28 <Sgeo> Basically: Random name and stats
11:31:32 <Sgeo> I think
11:31:37 <Patashu> yes
11:31:42 <Patashu> the game just rolls some dice and says 'ok have this'
11:31:51 <elliott> uh oh
11:32:02 <Patashu> it fled
11:32:03 <Patashu> don't worry
11:32:13 <Patashu> go pick up that scroll
11:32:18 <Patashu> (autopickup is still off)
11:32:22 <elliott> oh
11:32:26 <Patashu> ctrl+a
11:32:33 <Sgeo> Does elliott know what blinking does?
11:32:51 <Patashu> re-activate autopickup
11:32:53 <Patashu> with ctrl+a
11:32:55 <elliott> dude
11:32:56 <elliott> i already did
11:32:59 <Patashu> oh ok
11:33:01 <Patashu> missed it then
11:33:15 <Patashu> well?
11:33:16 <Patashu> get the scroll
11:33:17 <Patashu> lol
11:33:19 <elliott> dude
11:33:21 <elliott> dealing with this guy
11:33:22 <elliott> and exh
11:34:12 <elliott> jesus christ
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11:34:15 <elliott> fucking party in here
11:34:17 <Patashu> zap tele at yourself
11:34:19 <Patashu> oh nvm
11:34:19 <Patashu> you sped up
11:34:29 <Patashu> nice
11:34:31 <elliott> hmm
11:34:41 <elliott> which one do you think
11:34:46 <Patashu> D I guess
11:35:00 <Sgeo> There's a which stat thing in LearnDB which just says Int
11:35:09 <Sgeo> But I'd think that doesn't apply to non-spellcasters
11:35:22 <Patashu> it still sort of applies
11:35:57 <Sgeo> Read the scroll of random uselessness!
11:35:59 <Patashu> id your new potion(s) too
11:35:59 <Sgeo> >.>
11:36:02 <Patashu> lol
11:36:54 <Patashu> what
11:36:57 <Sgeo> Shop
11:36:57 <Patashu> you're not going to go into the sewers?
11:36:59 <Patashu> I can't believe you
11:37:01 <elliott> nope
11:37:03 <elliott> i was just looking at it
11:37:03 <elliott> oh
11:37:04 <elliott> should i
11:37:05 <elliott> ok
11:37:10 <Patashu> sure try it
11:37:15 <Patashu> hmm
11:37:16 <Patashu> id the wand of fire
11:37:27 <elliott> how dangerous are the sewers
11:37:31 <Patashu> not really
11:37:35 <Sgeo> Oh, that's not a shop?
11:37:35 <Patashu> it's like
11:37:37 <Patashu> newbie's first dungeon
11:37:39 <Patashu> (no)
11:37:45 <Patashu> ok the thing to know about the sewers is
11:37:47 <Patashu> if you're standing in water
11:37:48 <Patashu> don't fight shit
11:38:04 <Sgeo> Eating food in the sewers. Not at all gross.
11:38:08 <Patashu> he's a kobold
11:38:10 <Patashu> he's built for this
11:38:14 <Lumpio-> ...what are you playing
11:38:17 <Patashu> crawl
11:38:18 <elliott> crawl
11:38:22 <elliott> badly
11:38:23 <Patashu> telnet crawl.develz.org port 345
11:38:52 <elliott> its really hard to distinguish the two types of water here
11:40:04 <elliott> christ
11:40:05 <Patashu> haha
11:40:07 <Patashu> how did someone die in the sewers
11:40:09 <Patashu> wait
11:40:11 <Patashu> what kind of ghost is it
11:40:13 <Patashu> x over to it and v
11:40:22 <Patashu> aah
11:40:23 <Patashu> that's how he died
11:40:29 <Patashu> well
11:40:31 <Patashu> you have wands for a reason
11:40:32 <Patashu> zap them
11:40:41 <Sgeo> Patashu, what's how he died?
11:40:49 <Patashu> he worshipped xom
11:40:53 <Patashu> so he probably died xommily
11:40:54 <Sgeo> lol
11:40:56 <elliott> :D
11:40:57 <Patashu> since the sewers are yawnsville
11:40:59 <elliott> cause of death: xom
11:41:06 <nortti> "Articles lacking sources from December 2009"
11:41:12 <elliott> can i just melee him now
11:41:16 <Patashu> uh sure
11:41:16 <nortti> wikipedia categories...
11:42:02 <Patashu> go east
11:42:04 <Patashu> you can reach it
11:42:09 <Patashu> see the path?
11:42:09 <Patashu> yeah
11:42:13 <elliott> is it supposed to be really hard to see
11:42:15 <elliott> the difference between the two here
11:42:16 <Patashu> no
11:42:17 <Patashu> is it?
11:42:19 <elliott> yep
11:42:21 <elliott> can barely distinguish them
11:42:46 <Patashu> kill the frog
11:42:49 <Patashu> frogs are evil in crawl
11:42:59 <Patashu> new wand new wand
11:43:02 <elliott> is that it?
11:43:06 <Patashu> the blinking scroll alone
11:43:08 <elliott> whoops
11:43:09 <elliott> what happened
11:43:10 <Patashu> made coming to the sewers worth it
11:43:10 <Patashu> imo
11:43:16 <elliott> i feel less protected
11:43:22 <Patashu> wield your flail again
11:43:23 <elliott> i mistyped i think
11:43:24 <elliott> oh
11:43:25 <Patashu> yes
11:43:28 <Patashu> that happens to me too
11:43:55 <Patashu> btw once you have ****** piety
11:43:57 <Patashu> trog starts giving you shit
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11:44:15 <Patashu> lol
11:44:16 <Patashu> hmmm
11:44:20 <Patashu> go up the stairs
11:44:23 <elliott> an orc, an orc priest, an orc wizard and a centaur work into a bar
11:44:28 <Patashu> take a different stairs
11:44:47 <elliott> i think i could have taken those on but ok
11:44:52 <Patashu> no point risking it
11:45:00 <elliott> sure unless you want excitement
11:45:04 <Patashu> wait
11:45:05 <Patashu> cap and boots
11:45:08 <Patashu> = shit you can wear
11:45:11 <Patashu> also get out of that centaur's los
11:45:14 <Patashu> killit
11:45:19 <Patashu> no you just want to melee it
11:45:24 <Patashu> it's its ranged attack you're worried about
11:45:34 <Patashu> just kill them
11:45:44 <elliott> easier said
11:45:47 <Patashu> stop
11:45:48 <Patashu> quaff curing
11:45:55 <elliott> yeah i gathered that much
11:45:55 <Patashu> resume
11:46:02 <Patashu> kill the wizard
11:46:18 <Patashu> turn off evo
11:46:19 <Patashu> and rest
11:46:25 <elliott> evo?
11:46:28 <Patashu> the skill
11:46:44 <Patashu> wait
11:46:47 <Patashu> don't you want
11:46:48 <Patashu> the cap and boots
11:47:16 <Patashu> oooorcs
11:48:00 <Patashu> I see lots of corpses to pray with
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11:48:19 <Patashu> don't do the mines
11:48:19 <elliott> ooh
11:48:21 <elliott> oh
11:48:22 <Patashu> unless you LOVE orc priests
11:48:25 <elliott> well
11:48:28 <Patashu> no
11:48:28 <elliott> they're kinda fun actually
11:48:30 <Patashu> come back later though
11:48:31 <elliott> ok fine
11:48:32 <Patashu> there are shops in the orcish mines
11:48:34 <Patashu> but also orcs
11:48:36 <Patashu> (which is the bad part)
11:48:42 <elliott> ps - total ripoff of nethack gnomish mines
11:48:50 <Patashu> hmm
11:48:51 <Patashu> yeah it pretty much is
11:48:52 <Patashu> also
11:49:02 <Patashu> orc:4 has a chance of things like stone giants, ettins and orc warlords
11:49:04 <Patashu> (and saint roka)
11:49:08 <Patashu> it's secrety actually really dangerous!
11:49:12 <Patashu> it's a newbie trap basically
11:50:06 <Patashu> woooorms
11:51:09 <elliott> hate that asshole
11:52:04 <elliott> ok stop and think
11:52:17 <Patashu> stop
11:52:22 <Patashu> what's in your inventory
11:52:38 <Patashu> ok
11:52:39 <Patashu> step 0
11:52:43 <Patashu> don't get into that situation in the first place
11:52:43 <Patashu> step 1
11:52:45 <Patashu> quaff heal wounds
11:52:53 <Patashu> step 2
11:52:54 <Patashu> trog's hand
11:53:07 <elliott> step 3
11:53:09 <elliott> yay
11:53:12 <Patashu> btw
11:53:14 <Patashu> don't quaff curing for hp
11:53:17 <Patashu> unless you're SUPER desperate
11:53:19 <elliott> ok
11:53:20 <Patashu> it's for curing status effects
11:53:30 <Patashu> past the early game it won't heal more than even a single round of melee
11:53:58 <elliott> F I N A L L Y
11:54:19 <Patashu> ooo
11:54:21 <Patashu> ok
11:54:22 <Patashu> don't melee this guy
11:54:24 <Patashu> a c
11:54:29 <Patashu> again
11:54:34 <Patashu> let your bear kill it
11:54:39 <Patashu> ok
11:54:40 <elliott> i
11:54:41 <elliott> ok
11:54:45 <Patashu> crazy yiuf has a guaranteed quarterstaff of chaos
11:54:47 <Patashu> which means
11:54:51 <Patashu> random chance of chain paralysis until you die
11:54:54 <Patashu> it's never worth risking
11:54:56 <elliott> well
11:54:57 <elliott> now i have it
11:54:58 <elliott> oh wait
11:54:59 <elliott> i'll never use em
11:55:00 <elliott> ill drop it
11:55:10 <elliott> uh
11:55:13 <elliott> should i zap test wands on U
11:55:14 <Patashu> do you want his cloak?
11:55:16 <Patashu> no
11:55:18 <elliott> yeah ok
11:55:19 <Patashu> he might go enemy
11:55:22 <Patashu> and berserk your pansy ass
11:55:28 <elliott> oops
11:55:30 <Patashu> np
11:55:31 <Patashu> it's +0
11:55:45 <Patashu> lol
11:55:46 <elliott> ha ha ha
11:55:49 <Patashu> zerk it
11:56:04 <Patashu> bear vault
11:56:07 <Patashu> features: -bears -honey
11:56:13 <elliott> good vault
11:56:19 <elliott> FFFFF
11:56:31 <Patashu> btw
11:56:36 <Patashu> <Henzell> chaos brand[1/9]: Imitates other brands, or can heal, polymorph, berserk, haste, invisify, petrify, paralyse, torment, cause miscasts and probably do a lot more to enemies. Added in 0.5, only gifted by Xom, Xom's vault guards, found on Pan lords, or on the uniques Crazy Yiuf (always) or Psyche (sometimes).
11:56:39 <Patashu> that's why it's not worth using either
11:56:47 <Patashu> you can't use it to fight hard enemies because you'll randomly berserk them
11:56:53 <Patashu> which makes them nigh unstoppable juggernauts
11:56:58 <Patashu> basically picture when you berserk
11:57:00 <Patashu> -except it doesn't run out-
11:57:41 <Patashu> do you know the trick for goliath beetles
11:57:43 <Patashu> stop
11:57:43 <elliott> nope
11:57:45 <Patashu> take a step back
11:57:49 <elliott> oh right
11:57:50 <Patashu> that's not a step back
11:57:50 <elliott> the boring trick
11:57:53 <Patashu> take an actual step back
11:57:58 <elliott> that was an actual stpe
11:57:59 <Patashu> . until it's next to you
11:57:59 <elliott> step
11:57:59 <Patashu> hit it once
11:58:01 <Patashu> go back
11:58:02 <Patashu> and repeat
11:58:11 <Patashu> if it hits you it might kill you at your hp
11:58:32 <elliott> ehhhh
11:58:36 <Patashu> it's boring sure
11:58:37 <Patashu> but it beats dying
11:58:41 <elliott> is it still going to follow me in a straight line
11:58:47 <Patashu> it does 1d30 damage
11:59:06 <elliott> bit of a problem here
11:59:10 <Patashu> nope
11:59:12 <Patashu> you have a nice big pillar
11:59:13 <Patashu> to dance around
11:59:16 <Patashu> now it's fleeing
11:59:24 <Patashu> run up to it
11:59:28 <Patashu> it won't fight back unless it gets cornered
12:00:51 <Patashu> quasits are chumps
12:01:05 <Patashu> phantoms are dumb
12:01:07 <Patashu> try fighting it
12:01:08 <Patashu> you'll see why
12:02:06 <Sgeo> Night
12:02:09 <Sgeo> @time
12:02:09 <lambdabot> Local time for Sgeo is Sun Apr 22 08:02:09
12:02:11 <elliott> Patashu: sick of this shield and ring mail thing
12:02:13 <elliott> Sgeo: day
12:02:17 <Patashu> ok
12:02:19 <Patashu> turn on armour and shield
12:03:01 <elliott> eh?
12:03:08 <Patashu> the skills
12:03:09 <Patashu> turn them on
12:03:11 <elliott> oh
12:03:18 <Patashu> mmm also
12:03:19 <Patashu> turn fighting on
12:03:25 <Patashu> ok
12:03:53 <Patashu> oh
12:03:54 <Patashu> joseph
12:03:55 <Patashu> get behind cover
12:03:57 <Patashu> se e
12:04:00 <Patashu> and wait for him
12:04:18 <elliott> wait'd
12:04:29 <Patashu> that wasn't the best place to hide waiting for him but ok
12:04:30 <elliott> should i zap test him
12:04:34 <Patashu> nah
12:04:35 <Patashu> run up to him
12:04:36 <elliott> awww
12:04:45 <elliott> :(
12:04:50 <elliott> done
12:04:50 <Patashu> zerk
12:05:00 <Patashu> joseph is like a centaur
12:05:03 <Patashu> that doesn't have a horse's body
12:05:07 <Patashu> in terms of dealing with him
12:05:10 <Patashu> also
12:05:11 <Patashu> butcher some shit
12:05:13 <Patashu> already
12:05:14 <elliott> yeah
12:05:15 <elliott> that's what i'm doing
12:05:18 <elliott> by killing these guys
12:05:23 <Patashu> sure ok
12:05:31 <Patashu> haha
12:05:32 <elliott> fuck
12:05:34 <Patashu> it's ok
12:05:35 <Patashu> they're orcs
12:05:37 <Patashu> except for the non orcs
12:05:46 <Patashu> at a certain point in the game
12:05:49 <Patashu> orcs lose the ability to hit you
12:05:59 <Patashu> it's pretty incredibly
12:06:06 <Patashu> (it's also 100% predicted by your AC, EV and SH scores!)
12:06:07 <elliott> lol
12:06:09 <Patashu> (and how fast you're hitting)
12:06:16 <Patashu> (e.g. if you're at min delay they're only hitting about half as often)
12:06:23 <Patashu> (so it looks like your defenses are waay better but really it's you that's in slow motion
12:06:36 <Patashu> by the way
12:06:41 <Patashu> oh hey a jelly
12:06:44 <Patashu> swap to your other mace again
12:06:47 <Patashu> swaaaap
12:07:03 <Patashu> swap back
12:07:09 <elliott> i know
12:07:09 <Patashu> btw
12:07:13 <Patashu> want to know what the pro way of dealing with jellies is
12:07:15 <Patashu> (besides casting spells)
12:07:17 <Patashu> stones
12:07:19 <Patashu> they can't eat stone
12:07:20 <elliott> lame
12:07:26 <elliott> wacking with something you don't care about is better
12:08:11 <elliott> is the Lair anything good
12:08:16 <Patashu> the lair is awesome
12:08:20 <elliott> in the death sense?
12:08:22 <Patashu> except for a few things
12:08:25 <Patashu> go to the lair
12:08:32 <elliott> ok, lemme clear this level first
12:08:35 <Patashu> sure
12:08:39 <Patashu> the things to watch out for in the lair are
12:08:40 <Patashu> blink frogs
12:08:42 <Patashu> electric eels
12:08:43 <Patashu> and hydras
12:08:44 <Patashu> well
12:08:45 <Patashu> and death yaks
12:08:58 <elliott> nice
12:09:03 <elliott> woot
12:09:14 <Patashu> but the lair is easier than the main dungeon because
12:09:17 <Patashu> no spellcasters hurling shit at you
12:10:34 <Patashu> green rats are rats
12:10:35 <Patashu> but green
12:10:44 <elliott> understandable
12:10:45 <Patashu> also there are a lot of them
12:10:50 <elliott> i would be green if i was a green rat too
12:11:20 <Patashu> komodo dragons
12:11:22 <Patashu> hit kind of hard
12:11:23 <Patashu> btw
12:11:35 <elliott> not as hard as berk
12:11:41 <Patashu> yes
12:11:42 <Patashu> but it made you sick
12:11:46 <Patashu> while you're sick you can't regen
12:11:54 <Patashu> LOL
12:11:57 <Patashu> zerk that plant good
12:11:59 <elliott> worth it
12:12:25 <Patashu> crocodiles are easy
12:12:28 <Patashu> it's ALLIGATORS that are tough
12:12:32 <Patashu> (and you don't meet those until the swamp)
12:13:04 <Patashu> id a potion
12:13:53 <Patashu> btw a pro as hell zerk strategy is
12:13:57 <Patashu> back up about a room's length
12:13:58 <Patashu> THEN zerk
12:14:01 <Patashu> that way in the post zerk rest period
12:14:04 <Patashu> you're less likely to be ambushed
12:14:08 <Patashu> (like what happened just then)
12:14:42 <elliott> a water moccasin AND a plant???
12:14:45 <elliott> this is close
12:15:33 <Patashu> easy
12:15:35 <Patashu> maim it
12:15:58 <elliott> go down, right
12:15:59 <elliott> ?
12:16:00 <Patashu> yeah
12:16:02 <Patashu> more lair
12:17:08 <elliott> cool, >10k turns
12:18:35 <elliott> yaks are nasty
12:18:42 <Patashu> if you guzzle cure wounds like that
12:18:48 <elliott> yeah i know
12:18:48 <Patashu> you won't have any left for when you REALLY need it
12:18:52 <elliott> well
12:18:55 <elliott> i was pretty close to death there
12:18:59 <elliott> there were a hella yaks
12:19:06 <elliott> i still have 2 for now
12:19:08 <Patashu> I would have brothers in armsed
12:19:09 <Patashu> probably
12:19:13 <elliott> oh, I forgot about that :x
12:19:19 <Patashu> you can swap places with your pet
12:19:21 <Patashu> and have it killdudes
12:19:25 <Patashu> it's sweet
12:19:33 <Patashu> especially when you get a good roll and he sends a berzerk giant
12:20:03 <elliott> are you sure i can't just berk this
12:20:10 <Patashu> this is safer
12:20:36 <Patashu> oh wait
12:20:37 <Patashu> zap tele at yourself
12:20:45 <Patashu> now run
12:20:48 <Patashu> ok
12:20:49 <elliott> lol
12:20:53 <elliott> i feel like such a coward
12:20:56 <Patashu> np
12:20:57 <Patashu> beats dying
12:21:17 <Patashu> trog's hand
12:21:17 <elliott> yow
12:21:26 <elliott> thanks
12:21:29 <Patashu> k
12:21:30 <Patashu> resume
12:21:43 <Patashu> moce ise pf the chple [pomt
12:21:46 <Patashu> whoops
12:21:48 <Patashu> nice use of the cvhoke point
12:21:49 <Patashu> I said
12:21:55 <Patashu> lol
12:21:58 <Patashu> oh dear
12:22:00 <elliott> how
12:22:02 <elliott> these are
12:22:03 <elliott> weak as shit
12:22:07 <Patashu> spiny frogs are tough
12:22:13 <elliott> ehh
12:22:15 <Patashu> they have spines
12:22:16 <elliott> guess what i'm gonna quaff
12:22:20 <Patashu> np
12:22:21 <Patashu> then hand
12:22:30 <Patashu> back up once
12:22:31 <elliott> then brothers in arms!
12:22:37 <elliott> (kididn')
12:22:38 <elliott> *kdiddn
12:22:45 <elliott> ouch
12:22:46 <Patashu> whee
12:22:50 <Patashu> quaff curing
12:22:56 <elliott> yeah im
12:22:58 <elliott> actually going to brothers in arms
12:23:04 <elliott> ifi can remember how
12:23:07 <Patashu> ac
12:23:21 <elliott> rargh
12:24:05 <Patashu> try the amulet
12:24:22 <Patashu> oh
12:24:26 <Patashu> on any other character that would be a good amulet
12:24:30 <Patashu> but you p. much have gourmand by being a kobold
12:24:35 <elliott> take it off?
12:24:38 <Patashu> keep it on
12:24:39 <Patashu> it beats no amulet
12:24:51 <elliott> "The giant frog hits the plant."
12:25:17 <Patashu> is that the yak that fled earlier?
12:25:19 <Patashu> cuz it's alone
12:25:20 <elliott> maybe
12:25:27 <Patashu> yep
12:25:48 <Patashu> why
12:25:49 <elliott> what!
12:25:51 <Patashu> it's a free kill
12:25:51 <elliott> it's fucking lightning
12:25:52 <elliott> fine
12:26:01 <Patashu> just find a pillar
12:26:03 <Patashu> and circle it indefinitely
12:26:29 <Patashu> why do you go in a straight line like that
12:26:30 <Patashu> circle a pillar
12:26:35 <Patashu> going diagonal is free
12:26:40 <Patashu> srs
12:26:56 <Patashu> why
12:26:58 <Patashu> you need to think
12:26:59 <Patashu> more diagonally
12:27:01 <elliott> no convenient pillars
12:27:04 <Patashu> what
12:27:06 <Patashu> any of those pillars work fine
12:27:12 <elliott> oh so there are pillars here
12:27:12 <elliott> ok
12:27:16 <Patashu> a pilalr is just
12:27:17 <Patashu> any block of walls
12:27:19 <Patashu> that you can circle around
12:27:20 <elliott> i know
12:27:22 <Patashu> yeah
12:27:25 <Patashu> what you do is
12:27:28 <Patashu> back yourself right into a wall
12:27:31 <Patashu> where what you should do is
12:27:35 <Patashu> go diagonally
12:27:58 <Patashu> (it's under the plant)
12:27:58 <elliott> meh
12:28:00 <elliott> oh
12:28:06 <elliott> meh
12:28:15 <Patashu> btw, do something for me
12:28:16 <Patashu> ctrl+f mace
12:28:24 <Patashu> hmmm
12:28:29 <Patashu> ah nope
12:28:30 <Patashu> ok
12:28:31 <Patashu> ctrl+f armour
12:28:44 <Patashu> I see a chain mail
12:28:49 <elliott> there was yes
12:28:49 <Patashu> that's better than scale but worse than splint
12:29:20 <Patashu> your ring mail artifact isn't THAT good
12:29:25 <Patashu> I'd upgrade to chain or better when you feel like it
12:29:29 <Patashu> also, figure out what that ring is
12:29:32 <Patashu> (after the frog dies)
12:29:32 <elliott> i'm fine with it for now but OK
12:29:48 <elliott> deathly cold
12:29:56 <Patashu> id it
12:30:08 <elliott> meh
12:30:08 <Patashu> ok
12:30:10 <Patashu> you can leave that on then
12:30:13 <elliott> a potion of magic
12:30:14 <elliott> that's
12:30:16 <elliott> the vaguest hting ever
12:30:19 <Patashu> it refils your mp
12:30:20 <elliott> all potions
12:30:20 <elliott> are magc
12:30:21 <elliott> magic
12:30:30 <elliott> worst scroll
12:30:34 <elliott> likew ho would write that scroll
12:30:43 <Patashu> stop
12:30:47 <Patashu> giant slugs are as slow as goliath bettles
12:30:47 <Patashu> FYI
12:30:51 <elliott> oh, ok
12:30:56 <elliott> lol
12:30:57 <Patashu> so are
12:30:58 <Patashu> agate snails
12:31:00 <Patashu> and elephant slugs
12:31:00 <Patashu> also
12:31:01 <Patashu> rats!
12:31:12 <Patashu> just kill them
12:31:15 <Patashu> rofl
12:31:29 <Patashu> 5 * piety
12:31:30 <Patashu> almost there
12:31:49 <Patashu> nice use of the choke point
12:31:58 <Patashu> when you reach ****** piety under trog he will do one of two thingd
12:32:05 <Patashu> 1) gift you a godlike weapon you can use until the end of the gae
12:32:10 <Patashu> 2) give you some piece of crap you don't care about
12:32:12 <Patashu> he's nice like that
12:32:17 <elliott> awesome
12:32:17 <Patashu> amulet
12:32:20 <elliott> wh
12:32:26 <elliott> oh
12:32:34 <Patashu> a deudly centipede was guarding it
12:32:42 <Patashu> you need to pick it up too
12:32:47 <Patashu> it's the "
12:32:48 <Patashu> hint
12:32:59 <Patashu> id it
12:33:19 <Patashu> do I need to tell you what resist corrosion does?
12:33:27 <elliott> resists corrosion
12:34:02 <elliott> hand time, i think?
12:34:07 <Patashu> wait
12:34:09 <Patashu> show me what hp it's at?
12:34:12 <Patashu> go back
12:34:15 <elliott> cant
12:34:15 <elliott> web
12:34:16 <Patashu> ok, it's probably not going to die
12:34:17 <Patashu> I think
12:34:19 <Patashu> zap tele at yourself
12:34:27 <Patashu> quaff curing
12:34:30 <Patashu> oh, no curing
12:34:34 <Patashu> heal wounds, then
12:34:37 <Patashu> (and kick yourself for running out)
12:34:47 <Patashu> yeah hand too
12:34:57 <Patashu> ok
12:34:58 <Patashu> don't go there
12:35:00 <elliott> christ almighty
12:35:11 <Patashu> wanna see a magic trick
12:35:13 <elliott> maybe
12:35:14 <Patashu> go next to that book
12:35:22 <Patashu> next to it
12:35:25 <Patashu> a ?
12:35:31 <Patashu> f
12:35:39 <elliott> amazing
12:35:40 <elliott> that's not really
12:35:42 <elliott> magic so much as
12:35:43 <elliott> fire
12:35:46 <Patashu> yes
12:35:49 <Patashu> you just dropped a match on it
12:36:01 <Patashu> choke point
12:36:03 <Patashu> lol
12:36:07 <Patashu> btw blink frogs like to
12:36:08 <Patashu> blink
12:36:10 <Patashu> and kill you
12:36:14 <Patashu> like so
12:36:48 <elliott> god dammit
12:36:58 <elliott> how can frogs be so deadly
12:37:02 <Patashu> *blink frogs
12:37:27 <elliott> blink frogs are frogs
12:37:33 <Patashu> they're blink GIANT frogs
12:37:34 <Patashu> so they like
12:37:36 <Patashu> hop on you and crush you
12:37:36 <Patashu> idk
12:37:38 <Patashu> but they're deudly
12:37:53 <elliott> the worst part of roguelikes is that lull after you die when you really don't want to go back to early-game stuff
12:38:02 <Patashu> the good part about it is
12:38:06 <Patashu> you'll probably be a looot better at the early game now
12:38:11 <elliott> yeah :P
12:39:10 <elliott> hmm
12:39:14 <elliott> maybe i'll play again while i still remember how
12:40:01 <elliott> yeah ok
12:40:10 <elliott> im on
12:40:23 <Patashu> everything except m&f turned off?
12:40:37 <elliott> i keep forgetting that
12:40:57 <Patashu> why do you do that
12:41:00 <Patashu> the way you run from enemies
12:41:04 <Patashu> is appaling
12:41:09 <elliott> its
12:41:12 <elliott> uh
12:41:13 <elliott> panicky
12:41:17 <Patashu> do you know why it's bad
12:41:19 <Patashu> or should I explain why
12:41:23 <elliott> probably but go on
12:41:26 <Patashu> ok
12:41:33 <Patashu> the first thing you did wrong is run into a part of the map you hadn't explored yet
12:41:40 <Patashu> (hint: these are more likely to contain enemies that will stop you from running away
12:41:46 <Patashu> the second thing you did is, when you reached that intersection
12:41:51 <Patashu> you went into the middle of it instead of off at an angle
12:41:51 <Patashu> by doing so
12:42:01 <Patashu> you make it impossible to change direction without the enemy getting a hit off of you
12:42:07 <elliott> yeah i knew both of those
12:42:11 <Patashu> in general, you don't use diagonal movement over orthogonal movement as often as you could
12:42:20 <elliott> i forgot dungeon 1 could have actually scary stuff
12:42:22 <elliott> and yeah i know
12:42:25 <elliott> i'm bad at diagonals
12:42:34 <Patashu> get better
12:42:35 <Patashu> welcome to crawl
12:42:36 <Patashu> wow
12:42:45 <elliott> i gave up on that game as soon as i entered low hitpoints
12:42:55 <Patashu> eh, no reason to
12:43:00 <Patashu> you can pillar dance away from a hobgoblin indefinitely
12:43:03 <Patashu> (if you don't do... that instead)
12:43:05 <Patashu> (which is not pillar dancing)
12:44:10 <Patashu> yeah, see
12:44:11 <Patashu> right tyhere
12:44:15 <Patashu> you waste a turn whenever you don't cut a corner
12:44:26 <elliott> yeah i know
12:44:32 <elliott> it's something i know i'm terrible at, diagonal movement
12:44:36 <Patashu> become a better player
12:44:39 <Patashu> yesss
12:44:41 <Patashu> cut that corner
12:44:41 <elliott> i'm trying
12:44:41 <Patashu> like a boss
12:44:42 <elliott> by playing
12:45:23 <Patashu> why run from that ooze?
12:45:25 <Patashu> oozes aren't corrosive
12:45:27 <elliott> oh
12:46:01 <Patashu> are you familiar with the concept of luring?
12:46:28 <elliott> uhh is it something other than the obvious
12:46:42 <Patashu> if you see a tough monster that makes you really worried, you might opt to back off a long distance with it following you
12:46:44 <Patashu> into known territory
12:46:49 <Patashu> so you know with almost certainty you'll only have to fight it
12:46:54 <elliott> right
12:46:55 <Patashu> instead of charging at it and discovering it has lots of friends waiting with it
12:46:59 <elliott> i mean
12:47:02 <elliott> i do know these things
12:47:04 <Patashu> obviously it's a pick and choose kind of strategy
12:47:08 <elliott> i just sometimes don't follow them because they'd be tedious
12:47:23 <Patashu> you have a very low tolerance for tedium, it seems
12:47:27 <elliott> no shit
12:48:11 <Patashu> LOL
12:48:15 <Patashu> omg
12:48:17 <Patashu> it's working
12:48:18 <Patashu> hahahaha
12:48:57 <Patashu> you could just walk around it
12:48:58 <Patashu> you know
12:49:00 <elliott> oh
12:49:44 <elliott> good god
12:50:22 <Patashu> that is not a chokepoint
12:50:24 <Patashu> thanks
12:50:27 <Patashu> don't die
12:50:32 <elliott> thanks
12:50:37 <Patashu> lol
12:50:38 <elliott> sorry
12:50:46 <elliott> aaaand here we go again
12:50:52 <elliott> i mean let's put it this way
12:50:57 <elliott> i'm already better at crawl than i am at nethack
12:51:09 <elliott> that says more about my nethack performance than my crawl performance
12:51:14 <Patashu> I almost won nethack once
12:51:17 <Patashu> except I was actually bad at nethack
12:51:18 <Patashu> so I like
12:51:21 <Patashu> started the invocation but forgot the candles
12:51:23 <Patashu> or something like that
12:51:25 <Patashu> and died to rodney
12:51:31 <Patashu> anyway it was a fluke and I should never have gotten that far
12:52:40 <Patashu> skills?
12:52:45 <Patashu> yeah
12:52:49 <elliott> been like that the whole time
12:52:51 <elliott> cough
12:53:03 <elliott> wouldn't forget something that important!
12:53:07 <Patashu> :O)
12:54:33 <elliott> sigh
12:54:39 <Patashu> zerk, then
12:54:51 <elliott> is a bunch of hobgoblins called a foolish consistency
12:54:53 <elliott> like a murder of crows
12:54:57 <Patashu> maybe
12:55:00 <Patashu> I like that actually
12:55:27 <Patashu> quaff it
12:55:29 <Patashu> you know you want to
12:55:36 <Patashu> what do those ones even mean