00:01:50 `? c 00:01:53 C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault 00:03:49 `? wisdom 00:04:06 wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry 00:09:23 `? olsner 00:09:27 olsner? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:12:24 `? haskell 00:12:27 Haskell is preferred by 9 out of 10 esoteric programmers. Ask your GP today! http://learnyouahaskell.com/ 00:12:48 `run echo 'No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)' > wisdom/haskell 00:12:51 bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo 'No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)' > wisdom/haskell' 00:12:56 shocking 00:13:51 `run echo "No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \\ arising from a use of `wisdom' \\ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \\ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)" > wisdom/haskell 00:13:53 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 00:14:03 `run echo "No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \\ arising from a use of \`wisdom' \\ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \\ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)" > wisdom/haskell 00:14:06 No output. 00:14:11 `? haskel 00:14:14 `? haskell 00:14:14 haskel? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:14:17 No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \ arising from a use of `wisdom' \ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC) 00:15:08 > ?haskell 00:15:09 mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered! 00:15:10 (GHC version 6.12.3 f... 00:15:13 ... 00:15:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:16:39 :t ?haskell 00:16:40 forall t. (?haskell::t) => t 00:17:01 > ?x 00:17:02 mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered! 00:17:02 (GHC version 6.12.3 f... 00:17:27 `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell 00:17:30 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 00:17:38 `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \\ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell 00:17:41 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 00:17:44 hmph 00:17:46 oh because of the ` 00:17:50 `run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \\ arising from a use of implicit parameter \`?haskell'" >wisdom/haskell 00:17:53 No output. 00:17:56 `? haskell 00:17:59 Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' 00:20:29 oerjan: ps i see you've been fully indoctrinated into the reflection school of thought 00:21:34 ...that, or i was trying to make the error message particularly ridiculous... 00:22:20 oerjan: Suuure. 00:22:24 obviously someone of skill could make that much worse 00:22:30 oerjan: Have I mentioned we need special syntax for proxen? 00:22:40 aha? 00:22:55 Well, writing reflect (Proxy :: Proxy p) all over the place is really awful. 00:23:01 It'd be nice if we could just write reflect ~p or such. 00:23:09 So ~t --> (Proxy :: Proxy t). 00:23:42 I think that is the problem of the lack of good macros in Haskell in general 00:25:04 elliott: hm this could obviously be improved if we had the :: sections i've been thinking of before 00:25:26 then you could let reflect (:: p) 00:25:28 er 00:25:31 *write 00:26:19 since (:: p) = (\x -> x :: p) which has type (p ->) p, that would be of the required form 00:27:01 oerjan: cute! 00:27:11 oerjan: best of all, it would even be a correct type signature for the entire thing 00:27:14 i.e. reflect (:: p) :: p 00:27:45 heh 00:28:34 Does anyone know a good graphical side-by-side comparison/diff tool? 00:28:36 pikhq? 00:28:39 RocketJSquirrel? 00:28:50 gvimdiff 00:29:37 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Quit: hagb4rd2). 00:30:05 vimdiff uses some pretty unreadable background colours here... 00:30:29 I suspect that's why he said "gvimdiff" 00:30:40 Still, I only use 'diff', because I'm not some kind of wuss. 00:31:45 Hey, what's the standard off-white foreground colour used in xterm? 00:34:36 What does it mean if every few letters I type, my cursor switches from insert to override mode and back???? 00:36:39 elliott: btw (reflect x :: p) would also be shorter, for whatever x = undefined you choose 00:36:58 oerjan: I don't like undefined. 00:37:12 actually you could make that x = Proxy 00:37:19 just as long as it's polymorphic 00:37:20 Err... I also can't press altgr+2 to switch to the 2nd desktop. soething is wrong here. 00:37:42 wait id should also work 00:37:46 you're probably holding down the control key or something 00:39:03 (reflect id :: p), (reflect [] :: p), are some of the possibilities. i don't recall any shorter predefined ones. 00:39:14 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:41:14 -!- elliottasdf has joined. 00:41:16 WHAT THE FUCK 00:41:27 After hard-rebooting and trying to log in, it says my password is incorrect 00:41:29 (reflect id :: p), (reflect [] :: p), are some of the possibilities. i don't recall any shorter predefined ones. 00:41:35 I can enter it into the username field without problems 00:41:41 i have written very simple stdio.h for c2bf and I am currectly working on a simple c preproceasor 00:41:45 So it's not a key input error 00:41:55 elliottasdf: maybe your password is not what you think it is 00:42:07 olsner: Yes, very helpful, thank you, seeing as I've entered it N times today. 00:42:17 maybe you're not even elliott 00:43:02 Could you try and be less helpful? 00:43:54 is caps lock on? 00:43:59 elliott: what os are you using? 00:44:21 Arch Linux, kernel version 3.2.2; login is via the standard VT login. 00:44:23 olsner: No. 00:45:09 Ugh. 00:45:12 This is really worrying. 00:45:22 Two completely random, unexplainable behaviours in direct succession. 00:45:39 I think I have a USB hard drive with an Arch installation ISO on it. 00:45:52 Do you think it's worth a try to mount my Linux partition and reset my password with it? 00:45:56 oh, maybe it's a bug in the key logger 00:47:24 Sigh 00:48:02 elliottasdf: try booting from live cd and setting second field in your /etc/passwd entry as empty 00:48:12 Hi elliottasdf 00:48:15 Easier to chroot in and use passwd(1), no? 00:48:20 Sgeo: Hi, I'm in a bad mood. 00:48:27 Switching to CL and learning Another System Definition Facility? 00:48:27 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:48:43 ....jokes might be a bad idea I guess, sorry 00:49:02 `quote 00:49:05 I'm not in *that* bad a mood. Although that one would make my day worse no matter how it was going. 00:49:06 78) My mascot is a tree of broccoli. 00:49:21 elliottasdf :maybe 00:49:49 I petsonally thik editing /etc/passwd is easier 00:50:14 Editing password from LiveCD? 00:50:16 I've done that 00:50:20 `quote 00:50:23 513) You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug? 00:50:39 Read some forum post suggesting to chroot to the system on HD then use passwd 00:50:56 Seemed to work 00:50:58 Hold on 00:51:10 Oh my god. 00:51:17 The insert keys are coming from inside the house. 00:51:26 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 00:51:42 I booted the live CD, typed "ls " and — I swear to god — ^[[2~ appeared after ls and before the space. 00:51:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:52:04 Right after I press the s. 00:52:13 Unplugged the keyboard, plugged back in, same behaviour, what the fuck?! 00:52:18 "Fixing partner's lost password: Boot into LiveCD, chroot into HD, use passwd. Tried unsuccessful options such as logging into recovery (on my machine), and pondered editing /etc/shadow directly but didn't know exactly what to change." 00:52:34 In fact, it seems that "s" is the only key affected. 00:52:39 Sgeo: That's irrelevant now, it's something to do with the keyboard. 00:52:42 Ok 00:52:48 My password has an "s" in it. 00:52:57 Change your password to something without an s 00:53:03 No. 00:53:50 I should read the update 00:53:55 I read part of it, but got distracted 00:54:10 olsner: nortti: Any ideas what that could be? 00:54:51 Took off & replaced keycap on "s"; nothing unusual, same behaviour. 00:55:35 ...and pressing the insert key only actually works half the time. 00:55:42 Like, literally alternating nothing/it appears/nothing/it appears. 00:55:48 try different keyboard 00:56:40 Ain't got one even remotely handy 00:57:49 try opening up keyboard and cleaning contacts 00:57:53 Took keycap off insert key. Now "s" produces "as[INSERT]". 00:57:59 I am... baffled. 00:58:23 ... 00:59:54 It does sound like something's up with the circuit, though. 01:00:02 ISTR that the connections are laid out in a rather nonsensical manner. 01:00:04 What does a do? 01:01:06 ...insert "as". 01:02:03 so your keyboard might be messing up your password entry :-? 01:02:11 Yes, that much is established. 01:02:36 phew..! 01:03:11 How to fix it is less so, especially since taking off all the keycaps would probably result in my fingers becoming bloody messes. 01:04:07 i hope it's not a laptop ... that would be positively annoying 01:04:29 It is, but I use an external keyboard. 01:05:04 my kb has keys which can be lifted with a butterknife 01:05:42 elliottasdf: oh hm btw about reflect - wouldn't you usually call it as reify ... (\p -> ... reflect p ...) ? 01:05:47 i remember the agony trying to fix the spacebar 01:05:54 so no explicit Proxy needed 01:06:00 oerjan: No, that would defeat the point. 01:06:08 If you can do that, you can just do let p = x in ... p ... 01:06:18 The whole point is that you propagate the info through types. 01:06:33 The only thing you use the initial proxy for is to unify the types correctly. 01:06:36 oh hm lemme see 01:07:01 Anyway, if anyone has any ideas that don't involve taking off every keycap, they'd be really really appreciated... 01:07:31 "the fast implementation ascends from the ranks of completely unportable black magic to being merely mostly unportable black magic" :D 01:07:43 I wrote that :) 01:09:29 I don't like the way those reflection stuff works; I had a better solution in Ibtlfmm where values can be made into types by {} around it and types into kinds by {} around it but it is not implemented as far as I know 01:09:31 elliottasdf: um, i don't see anything in the API that _forbids_ using the passed-in p as the proxy for reflect. 01:09:41 zzo38: It works a lot better nowadays. 01:09:46 oerjan: I never said it was _forbidden_. 01:09:52 in fact the example does so 01:09:53 oerjan: I said it was _pointless_, and not what you usually do. 01:10:05 oerjan: Because you would have to pass the bloomin' p around everywhere as a parameter! 01:10:07 elliottasdf: Yes it probably does work better than before, but still it isn't sensible to me the way it is done in Haskell 01:10:10 If you do that, you can just pass the value itself. 01:10:13 well ok 01:10:35 e.g. if you have 01:10:43 foo :: (Reifies s Config) => IO (MyThing s) 01:10:45 foo = ... 01:10:50 (where MyThing's type parameter is phantom) 01:10:58 then you can't do anything like that, you must construct your own proxy. 01:11:46 elliottasdf: oh hm reflect (:: p) is _not_ of type p. because that's really (:: s). 01:11:56 Oh, right. 01:13:25 Maybe this way better: data DynamicMonoid (x :: *) (_ :: {x}) (_ :: {x}) :: * = DynamicMonoid x; 01:13:47 (But it won't work in Haskell) 01:14:14 zzo38: I see you are still determined to reinvent Agda without looking at it. 01:14:28 (One of those should be (x -> x -> x).) 01:14:52 elliottasdf: Yes I did make a mistake, it should be (_ :: {x -> x -> x}) 01:15:30 I did look at Agda; it fails a few things I was looking for too, and it requires Unicode, and so on. 01:15:51 @quote agda.*unicode 01:15:51 elliott says: "with a lot of unicode" is like agda's @faq. "yes, agda can do that with a lot of unicode!" 01:16:05 zzo38: Coq, then. 01:16:36 Even if it has some features like Agda or Coq, it isn't any of them. 01:17:56 You know who knew about keyboard matrices? 01:18:07 Ilari. I distinctly remember Ilari talking about scancodes and keyboard layouts and shit. 01:18:11 I bet he could help me THANKS OERJAN :( 01:18:54 People have told me some of these ideas resemble Haskell, Agda, Prolog, Lisp, Clean, and a few other things. 01:18:55 -!- derdon_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:19:02 Thoerjan. 01:19:33 My keyboard has now started producing input without me pressing any keys. 01:19:54 "222222222222213333333333333[lots of 3s]" 01:19:55 I swear to god. 01:20:03 O no, now you have to buy another keyboard, or fix it with a screwdriver and that stuff 01:20:09 elliottasdf: yw 01:20:12 nortti: WHATS HAPPENING TO MY KEYBOARD 01:20:29 I don't know 01:20:43 ;_; 01:20:47 @quote 2eyb 01:20:48 olsner says: shapr: 2eyb6ard 0a5ntenance 01:20:54 demonic possession, obviously 01:21:16 OK, I tried to stop it and it just spewed a 1 out in the middle of the 3s. 01:21:21 Ctrl+C then stopped doing anything entirely. 01:21:58 OK, now it's stopped with a 333E123. 01:22:06 oerjan: Frankly, that seems plausible at this point. 01:23:28 Zen and the Art of 2eyb6ard 0a5ntenance, a famous book. 01:24:02 Now it's started printing out "E"s at a much slower rate. 01:24:06 fizzie: You know about keyboards, right? 01:24:54 Not much. I'd suggest a vigorous shaking, but I suppose that's as likely (or maybe slightly more) to make whatever's wrong worse. 01:25:01 elliottasdf: Get cross, hold it in front if you in front of your keyboard and say "By the power of christ I command you to leave" 01:25:12 It's gone back to 3s. 01:25:14 Wait, I have a camera. 01:25:16 I can capture this moment. 01:25:23 that might help with demonic possession 01:25:47 Yes, a soul-stealing machine like a camera can also help. 01:26:00 nortti: he doesn't have the faith 01:26:01 Alas, camera too blurry. 01:26:11 nortti: Think I'd need alvur for that. 01:26:11 is a possessed camera better than a possessed keyboard? 01:26:53 I swear to god, "s" now inputs asd[INSERT][INSERT][INSERT]. 01:27:01 It's like it's dying. 01:27:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:27:55 So, um... 01:28:01 fizzie: I tried shaking and it didn't do much. 01:28:06 Except it logged me out of that console somehow. 01:29:33 elliottasdf: alvur is not in irc right now 01:29:45 inputs nortti: It was a joke. I wouldn't talk to that guy if he was the only person on the planet who could fix my keyboard, anyway. 01:30:17 why? 01:30:31 Because he's a moronic racist troll? 01:31:02 well that's one reason 01:31:05 but... do you really want to fix a keyboard that breaks? you should get a keyboard that doesn't break instead 01:31:07 That's three. 01:31:10 Personally I'd just buy a new keyboard, but certainly it at least has been possible to open those things up and clean/unstick the actual contact points, if that's the problem. Just removing keycaps probably doesn't open things up enough, though, and it might be somehow otherwise broken. 01:31:17 @time 01:31:18 Local time for elliottasdf is 2012-04-22 01:31:18 +0000 01:31:23 Can't really buy a new keyboard in the timeframe I'd like. 01:31:26 (It's actually 2:31.) 01:31:40 Don't you have 24h computer shops in Hexham? 01:32:01 @timr 01:32:02 Local time for nortti is Sun Apr 22 04:34:23 UTC+3.00 2012 01:32:19 that one is right 01:32:22 @time 01:32:23 Local time for olsner is Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 01:32:42 harr harr 01:34:10 I'm sad now. I liked that keyboard. :( 01:34:18 How'd that work, anyway? I think I saw a CTCP TIME from lambdabot the other day. 01:34:38 @time 01:34:40 @TIME fizzie 01:34:40 Unknown command, try @list 01:34:42 Local time for fizzie is Sun Apr 22 04:34:38 2012 01:35:14 @globaltime 01:35:16 Local time for elliottasdf is 2012-04-22 01:35:15 +0000 01:35:20 ...wh 01:35:26 Oh, that's two away from "localtime". 01:35:50 @globaltime 01:35:50 Local time for olsner is Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 01:36:01 Also, sitting here with this laptop is really uncomfortable. :( 01:36:06 fizzie: Fix my computer,. 01:36:11 Also where is monqy? Today is terrible. I hate today. 01:36:40 01:36:49 I don't even have GHC 7.4 here. 01:36:53 Or Emacs. 01:37:09 I have a spare PS/2 keyboard you can have if you pick it up. The 'u' doesn't work after an icecream incident, though. 01:37:26 My laptop doesn't even have a PS/2 port. 01:37:49 They probably sell some kind of USB adapters. 01:38:18 They do. They don't work very well, esp. for things like the Model M which require rather more than a USB port is willing to offer. 01:38:54 It's a real Compaq-brand keyboard, from a... Compaq Presario CDS 633? 01:39:18 It was certified MPC level... 2? 01:39:46 fizzie: I'll forgive you if you watch me play Crawl. 01:40:20 http://www.recycledgoods.com/product_images/e/719/s_p_23909_1__90557_zoom.jpg yessss that looks familiar. 01:40:49 Sadly, imma sleep right about now. Early (noon) morning tomorrow. 01:41:05 How awfully convenient. 01:41:41 That thing's got a Sound Blaster 16 card with an Adaptec SCSI chip integrated right on it. 01:41:53 The CD drive's hooked up with that. 01:42:42 Fancy. 01:42:59 Also something that looks just like a Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB video card, except it's not physically a card, it's on the motherboard. 01:43:51 The (three) expansion card slots are in a board that sticks up vertically from a custom slot in the mb. 01:44:02 Very fancy. 01:44:20 pikhq: I bet you know what to do. :( 01:44:57 Do I? 01:45:18 Yes. 01:46:19 pikhq: :'( 01:46:34 http://sprunge.us/caiY Y'mean, try to make this madness work? :P 01:47:00 pikhq: That's way crappier than SIXTH. 01:47:27 elliottasdf: Yup, it's really insanely crappy. 01:47:31 And also broken. 01:47:39 pikhq: Come on. I need my keyboard. :( 01:48:08 Presumably cheap and hopefully quick and easy to get? 01:48:33 -!- NSQX has joined. 01:48:54 Yeah, either try cracking it open and seeing if there's any shorts, or buy a new one. 01:50:49 SIXTH is impossible to google. 01:51:03 -!- augur has joined. 01:51:14 It's a thing I wrote once. 01:51:17 It... half worked. 01:51:23 It was a Forth in a boot sector. 01:51:35 I'd like a link. 01:51:38 http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode All of us would always have ''only a few thoughts'' for UniCode, but what I want is teamwork by the whole community to help finish the first UniCode specification, which would require 65536 different instructions thought of. 01:51:54 Unicode has more than 65536 codepoints. 01:52:04 It has >110,000. 01:53:34 * oerjan predicts that NSQX is not going to get what he wants 01:53:52 No, first we will have teamwork on the UniCode 1.1 specification, which maps all the characters in Unicode 1.1 (65536 characters) to UniCode instructions. After we finish the UniCode 1.1 specification with our teamwork, then we will work on the UniCode 2.0 specification, which has more than 110,000 characters. 01:54:02 NSQX: Anyway, it would really be a good idea to omit the rows with no UniCode instruction description. 01:54:17 Otherwise the page will get way too big for the server and browsers very quickly, if a lot of people collaborate on creating the subpages. 01:54:36 NSQX: even besides the technical problems, there are not sufficiently many people sufficiently interested in this project. 01:54:49 (i, for one, don't care about it.) 01:56:06 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:56:10 Anyway, however, I am okay even if the ''UniCode 1.1 specification'' is completed in ''2020'' or earlier. 01:56:26 ''okay'' 01:56:49 -!- augur has joined. 01:56:52 elliott: you can get a free ps/2 keyboard from me if you come to finland and clean sodium hysrokside from it yourself 01:57:11 *elliottasdf 01:57:13 How did you get lye on your keyboard? 01:57:44 Little incident on chemitry claas 01:58:00 why did you bring your keyboard to chemistry class? 01:58:11 To pour lye on it. 01:58:32 his whole life is a lye 01:58:33 it got to my phome which i put on my old keyboard after I got home 01:58:51 Well, for just this moment, think of any characters which are not yet mapped to any UniCode instructions, then type the character and your proposed instruction on this IRC channel. Of course, unlike a wiki, anything you type here does not fill up any server. 01:59:07 It does, multiple bots log every line sent to the channel 02:00:03 NSQX you can create you own channel just for that 02:00:47 Well, it's certainly fine to collaborate on esolangs here. 02:02:17 U+0666 : start a satanic ritual 02:03:17 Okay, talk about thousands of UniCode characters and their instructions on the non-logged channel #uclang 02:04:52 but how we maintain list of what does what 02:05:34 Right, logging is quite the benefit there :P 02:07:31 NSQX: You won't be able to fill up any disk by talking in here, anyway. 02:07:48 The freenode servers rate-limit every client, so there's no way for any one person to cause much data to be logged per day. 02:09:09 U+0666 : start a satanic ritual // ITYM U+029A 02:10:49 RocketJSquirrel: ITYM? and U+0666 was in hexadecimal 02:11:31 Incas? Totally Yak-Makers 02:12:09 there are no yaks in peru 02:12:17 nortti: "ITYM" = "I think you mean", and I'm making fun of our silly, would-be-prime-if-not-for-symmetry number of fingers. 02:12:30 and tibet has only lamas, not llamas 02:12:38 Would-be-prime-if-not-for-symmetry... 02:12:44 I have no idea what you mean by that. 02:13:44 elliottasdf: Our number of fingers is 2*5. If it wasn't for the free multiple of two thanks to symmetry, it would be prime. 02:14:21 Ah :P 02:14:41 Well, my keyboard appears to have become completely useless. 02:16:54 then why is it still your keyboard? 02:17:01 It's my ex-keyboard. 02:17:07 elliottasdf: what are you using to write then? 02:17:16 My other laptop. 02:17:32 specs? 02:17:40 Better than my other one. 02:17:47 But I use the other one more. 02:17:51 why 02:18:03 It runs Linux nicer. 02:18:48 What kind of specs does your other laptop have? 02:19:10 The other one is, like, 1.33 GHz Core 2 Duo ULV with 4 gigs of RAM. 02:21:08 it's just resting 02:21:10 This one is 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo with the same RAM, but the RAM is DDR3, the HD is SSD and the resolution is higher. 02:30:13 Dude. Spider. 02:30:19 You can't just shimmy down from the ceiling like that. 02:30:47 it's an ooooooooooooooooooooomen 02:31:48 It's just sitting there now. 02:32:20 Then leave it alone, unless it touched you 02:34:48 -!- MoALTz has joined. 02:38:25 `quote 02:38:28 710) Do you want me to live dangerously and just stick it in the bot without testing it? fizzie: Yes. There is pretty much no way it won't be amazing. 02:38:45 fizzie will never live that one down. 02:39:16 Well, to find Unicode escape identifiers to put in the table of UniCode characters, go to http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/(hexcode)/index.htm 02:39:53 * elliottasdf isn't sure what an "escape identifier" is meant to be. 02:40:36 For example, http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00AB/index.htm for the Unicode escape identifier for UniCode's right shift instruction, which is LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK 02:40:51 I don't see anything marked as an escape identifier on that page. 02:41:41 Then look for "LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK" on that page, it is the Unicode escape identifier apart from the code. 02:42:05 Do you mean U+00AB? 02:42:28 No, 0x00AB (171) is the code. 02:42:50 That's just the number of the codepoint (in hex and decimal). 02:43:19 So I'm not sure what you want that column to contain, other than the hex version of the column next to it. 02:43:59 elliottasdf: 02:43:59 -!- NSQX has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:44:06 ...ok. 02:44:14 -!- elliottasdf has changed nick to elliott. 02:44:19 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 02:44:19 -!- elliott has joined. 02:44:27 hi 02:44:33 @tell monqy sorry, it was necessary 02:44:33 Consider it noted. 02:45:04 cruel but unavoidable 02:46:13 Oh, *now* you start talking again. 02:46:33 It would take a Unicode Big Endian codepoint to express my distaste. 02:46:40 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 02:48:13 Hey oerjan, fix my keyboard or I'll cry. 02:49:14 Actually, I might just cry anyway. But you should still fix my keyboard. 02:49:16 I'm getting rather keybored. 02:49:59 oerjan: Come on, swat me for that. 02:50:06 It would beat eternal nothingness. 02:51:05 I'm sorry, elliott. I'm afraid I can't do that. Except for the swatting part. -----### 02:51:23 Two spaces after full stops? You must really hate me. 02:52:02 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 02:52:51 i have used that for years, i think. 02:54:03 Well, my other computer doesn't use a monospaced font. 02:54:06 i'm just not talkative enough for it to show up often. 02:54:19 So I don't see the awfulness as much. 02:54:22 But I can't use that because 02:54:23 MY 02:54:23 KEYBOARD 02:54:24 IS 02:54:25 BROKEN 02:54:30 ah. 02:54:59 I bet soon you'll get really keybored of hearing about my broken keyboard. 02:55:53 i'm not betting against that. 02:56:02 seems it's that earth day thing 02:56:18 Is the earth rebelling against my artificial technology? 02:56:27 Is the EARTH to blame for my BROKEN KEYBOARD??? 02:56:42 FUCK 02:56:42 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 02:56:42 THE 02:56:43 ENVIRONMENT 02:57:27 ALSO I DON'T HAVE ADBLOCK HERE 03:14:41 -!- nortti has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:27:22 http://stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/245370 03:41:16 I presume that was you, elliottq 03:41:18 elliott * even 03:41:33 Totally. I logged out and suggested an edit just so I could reject it. 03:42:13 idcbhygytfrdsr, and all that. 03:42:19 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 03:42:54 (I Don't Care 'Bout How You Guys Yank Televisions From Radical Democrats (So Radical)) 03:45:30 "Ibex 'Dangerously Crass' Begats Hella Yak Geishas, You Tossers", Fucking Ridiculous Diocese Sluttily Rants 03:46:59 Incantations Don't Castrate Banned Hamburgers; However, Yammering Ghouls' Ytterbium Tools Froze Recently, Damning Saintly Raccoons. 03:49:34 Isengard Disease Causes Buggery, Hugs; Y'all Gimli-Yacht Travellers, For Real; Don't Sex Rabbis. 03:49:47 qfr: Come on, I can't do all these by myself. 03:51:37 elliott of course you can, you know Haskell 03:51:44 Or *do* I? 03:58:20 -!- monqy has joined. 03:58:25 hi monqy!!!! 03:58:39 monqy a lot happened monqy monqy 03:58:50 helo 03:58:50 monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:58:57 oh dear 03:59:00 sorry that wasn't a 03:59:01 hi monqy 03:59:02 a lot really did happen, if i have a message, 03:59:03 it was just a 03:59:03 hi, 03:59:04 monqy 03:59:09 hi, elliott 03:59:11 hi! 03:59:34 oh no now i have to logread 03:59:36 tosee 03:59:37 what hapeoend 04:00:04 it involves NSQX! :) 04:01:39 01:51:38: http://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode All of us would always have ''only a few thoughts'' for UniCode, but what I want is teamwork by the whole community to help finish the first UniCode specification, which would require 65536 different instructions thought of. 04:01:43 so i see 04:02:04 You skipped the part where my keyboard broke. 04:02:14 :( where should i start 04:02:29 also oh no UniCode pages on the wiki 04:06:34 monqy: i made wiki edit 04:07:39 i'll just start where i last quit and skim until i find something interesting 04:08:32 where did you last quit 04:08:58 also monqy i played crawl some more 04:08:59 badly 04:09:33 im going to tv your deaths 04:09:34 & watch them 04:10:00 oh man 04:10:07 how do you watch the tv again 04:10:36 telnet termcast.develz.org 04:10:43 i'll find all your games i havent seen and queue them up 04:10:48 one 04:10:49 second 04:11:22 ok im 04:11:24 prepared 04:11:36 ok 04:11:42 ive prepared myself 04:11:43 inside 04:11:57 rest in piece lichemaster the firebug, deep elf 04:12:14 argh 04:12:15 os x terminal is 04:12:18 really bad about black on black text 04:12:27 quueueueueued 04:12:45 probably someone in ##crawl will ask me why i queued all of these deaths 04:12:48 i shoiuld prepare an excuse 04:13:22 how could anyone question the beauty of me dying 04:13:28 is ##crawl a nice place 04:13:38 i like it, but i might like it because it's bad 04:13:56 should i join, is it a scary kind of place 04:14:00 i like friendly places 04:14:04 i don't think it's scary 04:14:22 it's friendly depending on stuff i guess 04:14:23 i remember this 04:14:28 21:14:21 < mikee_> monqy, what are you doing 04:14:29 this is from uh 04:14:30 here it comes 04:14:30 earlier tonight 04:14:36 i kept pressing ctrl+p to try and view previous messages 04:14:38 but 04:14:43 i ended up praying a lot instead 04:14:46 because it's not nethack 04:14:51 but xom didn't seem to mind 04:14:56 monqy: also are you doing them in reverse order 04:15:00 yes 04:15:02 because that was my most recent one i think 04:15:02 ok 04:15:03 it's easier that way 04:15:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:15:48 is ##crawl laughing at how bad i play 04:15:51 are they aim heckling me 04:15:56 *hecking 04:16:13 so far only mikee has said anything and it was just asking me why all these d:1 mucks are important 04:17:08 oh boy i remember this one 04:17:19 xom was all inner flame and i was all oops 04:17:44 i forget how i actually died though 04:17:47 for future reference (assuming any future at all) that brown ^ was a shaft and you could have stepped on it and hit > for a free escape 04:18:02 thanks, i'll let past me know 04:18:41 oh that's how i died 04:18:56 what bot is it 04:18:58 that takes reqs 04:19:00 i must know urgently 04:19:07 reqs? 04:19:10 the !tv 04:19:10 things 04:19:12 oh 04:19:13 sequell 04:19:22 excellent 04:19:39 monqy—elliott !tv monopoly 04:19:44 uh 04:19:47 i like how it's broken 04:19:50 oh 04:20:01 whoa monqy are you 04:20:03 walking manually??? 04:20:06 no 04:20:11 oh the ttyrec thing 04:20:14 normalises the speed doesn't it 04:20:15 yeah 04:20:22 that sucks btw 04:20:35 also i meant to say monqy instead of squarelos so that it was more symmetrical sigh 04:20:51 sigh 04:20:53 well making big delays shorter is fine by me but i wish it kept small delays small 04:21:21 wait ##crawl know my nickname now OOPSE 04:21:41 they probably won't bother you 04:21:52 unless you join and say bad things 04:21:58 what if i join and say, 04:21:59 crawl is boring 04:22:09 one way to find out 04:22:17 don't do it and think about it instead??? 04:22:22 yes 04:22:48 guess whose going to 04:22:49 play crawl again 04:22:57 is it you 04:23:05 no its obama (yes) 04:23:07 (im obama) 04:23:11 (i—mobama) 04:23:27 help 04:23:29 why is the background all wrong 04:23:37 also 04:23:39 how do you quit 04:23:42 wrong?? 04:23:43 in what way 04:23:49 its brighte 04:23:52 not blakk at all 04:23:54 ^Q to quit, S or ^S to save and quit 04:23:57 *blachque 04:24:01 what terminal are you usicng 04:24:07 termain dltot app 04:24:08 because 04:24:11 keboyard broken 04:24:14 *termi nal dot app 04:24:21 termian dltot app is kown to have crawl problems 04:24:22 i think its because 04:24:27 on my linux machine 04:24:29 i have a brighter background 04:24:31 greyish 04:24:32 and 04:24:36 this has it too???? 04:24:37 for some reason 04:24:39 once i start the game 04:24:42 how do i make it forget me 04:24:46 i forget what ##crawl says about terminal.app 04:24:56 i dont want to know (it would hurt my (feeligns)) 04:25:42 oh 04:25:47 i know why it happen 04:25:57 monqy: is there a way to disable how crawl sets its own background 04:25:59 on the tile 04:25:59 s 04:26:03 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:26:14 i dont know 04:26:19 :( 04:28:33 im reading 04:28:34 the config file 04:32:48 monqy: i cant figure it out :'( 04:34:37 @time monqy 04:34:38 Local time for monqy is Sat Apr 21 21:34:37 2012 04:34:41 happy monqy 04:34:44 happy 04:35:44 21:35:38 macos[1/1]: Install iTerm, do not use Terminal.app. If you like X, any sane X terminal emulator will work (xterm, urxvt). 04:35:47 very helpful 04:35:58 im too rebel to do that 04:36:00 iTerm is really bad also 04:36:19 i do have x11 though 04:36:19 so 04:36:21 i guess ill try that 04:38:23 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:40:07 monqy: i used xterm but now every text am really small :( 04:40:58 can you make every text bigger 04:41:04 yes i just did 04:42:05 monqy: how do you paste into xterm without mouse 04:42:06 i forget 04:42:28 try pressing three fingers on your touchpad? 04:42:37 never mind i fixed it 04:42:39 monqy: doesnt work in os x 04:42:40 ok 04:42:43 im playing 04:42:44 again 04:42:44 ok 04:42:49 im watch 04:42:59 im try to 04:43:01 use less autoexplore 04:43:01 this time 04:43:26 why 04:43:31 i 04:43:32 m not sure 04:43:38 i think because its even more boring when im not acutally making the game do anything 04:44:09 but 04:44:13 i may grow to quickly regret this decision 04:45:11 if you want to get far enough to see different parts of crawl which is probably the best thing to do to get into it 04:45:15 muck probably isn't the best choice 04:45:22 but i dunno what a good choice would be 04:45:23 because 04:45:29 the 'best' choices are boring 04:45:39 trolls and berserkers and such 04:45:43 i just picked muck because 04:45:50 (a) you were playing muck and 04:45:58 (b) they don't have to eat which is nice 04:45:59 muck is one of those 04:46:02 infamously bad combos 04:46:11 i'm kind of infamously bad too 04:46:15 but uh yeah trolls sound boring 04:46:18 along with ddak 04:46:21 berserker i GUESS i could do??? 04:46:24 i mean 04:46:32 i just don't want to worry about eating all the time 04:46:36 mube is also on the infamously bad side 04:46:40 so things that can eat corpses, or don't need to eat, appeal to me 04:46:51 kobe is good though 04:47:10 ok im play again 04:47:12 oh no am i accidentally using the shortenings do you know what they mean i forgot to explain them 04:47:13 whats kobe 04:47:17 kobold berserker 04:47:18 i don't 04:47:19 really :'( 04:47:25 kobold berserker sounds good 04:47:44 kobolds don't have to eat right 04:47:48 they eat corpses 04:47:55 good enough 04:47:58 ok so 04:48:00 just to check 04:48:05 what definition of "good" are you using 04:48:12 and is that water meant to be an a with a hat 04:48:12 as in 04:48:13 easy 04:48:17 no it's not 04:48:22 ok but 04:48:23 it's meant to be a ≈ 04:48:24 by easy do you also mean 04:48:24 boring 04:48:27 perhaps 04:48:30 i dont play kobe 04:48:46 -!- augur has joined. 04:48:53 :( 04:48:56 should i play kobe 04:48:57 as a berserker you can pray over corpses you don't want to eat to sacrifice them to trog, press a to use god abilities (you start with berk) 04:48:57 or 04:49:05 ok i guess ill stick with this 04:49:07 you could play a kobe and maybe dive a bit and use berk to kill hard stuff 04:49:08 but ill fix my unicodes 04:49:32 -!- MSleep has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:50:02 i like how 04:50:06 i have to type my 20-character password each time 04:50:08 because i can't paste 04:50:11 it's not 20char 04:50:18 huh? 04:50:18 it gets trunkated to the first 8 04:50:20 or so 04:50:27 but the sign up thing said 20 char 04:50:30 it lied 04:50:35 i 04:50:44 ok that worked 04:50:50 i feel 04:50:51 insulted 04:50:59 ok im playing now 04:51:06 _You hit the plant but do no damage. 04:51:07 fuck u plant 04:51:09 im watch 04:51:09 btw whats the _ for 04:51:18 also are things that are bold blue good 04:51:28 the _s separate messages on different turns 04:51:34 ok 04:51:40 blue means it has some enchantments or something 04:51:43 im going to 04:51:46 this could mean it's negatively enchanted and cursed 04:51:49 level up once or twice on the first floor thing 04:51:51 before diving 04:52:00 sure if you want 04:52:06 also diving sounds like a pain when 04:52:11 the non-boring way to find >s is autoexplore 04:52:15 but that searches lots of other things too 04:52:17 is there 04:52:18 a trick 04:52:30 oh right cannablism 04:52:32 forgot about that 04:52:51 when trog accepts my kill is that 04:52:53 cannibalism isn't a problem in crawl unless you worship good gods or the corpse of your race is indedible to you 04:52:54 meaningful 04:52:56 do i have to do anything about it 04:53:00 it means you might have gained some piety 04:53:02 also then why didnt it prompt me about eating the kobold bitses 04:53:04 when im standing on them 04:53:27 :? 04:53:40 uh oh 04:53:45 that's an instadeath thing right 04:53:49 no 04:53:49 or was that nethack im thinking of 04:53:51 oh 04:53:52 nethack 04:53:56 can i just ignore it then 04:53:58 yeah 04:54:02 crawl just won't let eat poisonous chunks 04:54:02 deadly 04:54:10 unless you have rpois, in which case they're just like clean chunks 04:54:15 so nerfed!!! 04:54:19 unless they're pois+contam, in which case they're just like contam chunks 04:54:25 but kobolds treat clean and contam the same so 04:55:53 so does trog like me killing uhhh 04:55:55 absolutely everything 04:56:06 nnno 04:56:16 i think trog doesn't care about plants or "nonliving" things? 04:56:20 maybe just not care about plants 04:56:22 ok so basically everything 04:56:25 yeah 04:56:31 nice guy 04:56:32 nonliving is things like golems 04:56:50 jesus fuck how bad are me and the giant newt at aiming 04:57:09 i swear roguelikes take place in a world where everybody's swords are made of jelly 04:57:12 and shit 04:57:14 uhh 04:57:14 yes 04:57:16 theyre not made of shit 04:57:56 im level up once more and then go dive 04:57:57 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:58:05 if you level up once more 04:58:09 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:58:19 im suspense 04:58:22 really you could have dove right at the beginning but maybe you feel more comfortable this way 04:58:27 berk is really strong 04:58:35 what was the "if" i dont quite 04:58:36 understand 04:58:41 and also im just 04:58:44 doing it to get items and uhhh 04:58:45 stuff 04:58:46 i don't know 04:58:49 i mean 04:58:54 maybe theres not enough xp on this level 04:58:56 to level you up 04:58:58 oh 04:59:00 it feels less foolhardy if i level up a bit first because then i have a Serious Commitment to the game 04:59:05 oh 04:59:19 but you're right, i'll go down a level 04:59:31 then level up once, then dive time 04:59:43 oops 04:59:45 im more poisoned 04:59:46 my strat on berkers is dive until i find hard things then berk them for all the levels i could have gotten by doing things slowly 04:59:49 you can berk it 04:59:59 ok this is the part where we find out i've forgotten how to do that 04:59:59 elliott, berserker? 05:00:15 hit a 05:00:59 ok thats enough 05:01:01 rambling around 05:01:07 how far is a good 05:01:09 dive amount 05:01:11 in crawl 05:01:12 i mean 05:01:16 until you start having trouble? 05:01:20 fair enough 05:01:24 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:01:47 yikes 05:02:01 uhhhhhhh 05:02:03 oh i wasn't watching 05:02:03 uhhh 05:02:09 WHat's in inventory? 05:02:14 Sgeo: hes berk 05:02:14 i tried to quaff 05:02:15 but i was too 05:02:16 berk 05:02:17 Oh 05:02:30 :( 05:02:33 :( 05:02:36 i think ill try monqys strategy this time 05:02:49 and just 05:02:52 go down immediately 05:02:58 also when berking try to handle just one thing at a time 05:03:03 yeah the uh 05:03:06 the orcs came before the berk thing 05:03:07 i don't know how you got into that situation 05:03:09 that was sort of a last minute thing 05:03:16 there were orcs and i was almost dead so 05:03:31 The next session of Dungeons&Dragons game not played yet so I selected a flaw and a feat (it is allowed to select a trait no more often than once every five levels, although less often if you wish; but only upon advancing a level) 05:03:35 also if you're in especially trrouble you can use one of trogs other abilities before the berk too, like trogs hand for extra hp regen and magic resistance, or brothers in arms from berking friends 05:03:38 you should play a spriggan wizard 05:03:40 1. magic dart things 05:03:44 2. if you run out of magic darts run 05:03:45 uuugh kiting is boring 05:03:47 monqy: man trog is like 10x nicer than xom 05:03:53 I explicitly avoided suggesting kitey things 05:04:14 whats kitey things 05:04:30 kiting is when you used ranged stuff then step away until you're out of range and repeat 05:04:30 spriggans are fast 05:04:32 faster than like everything 05:04:36 (centaurs too) 05:04:48 you're in no danger at all and you can kill anything that's slower than you and melee only 05:04:50 it's kind of silly, spriggans and centaurs are way too powerful as a result 05:04:52 i.e. most of early game 05:04:54 yeah 05:04:58 ugh that's boring 05:04:59 yeah 05:05:14 it's a Big Crawl Problem 05:05:16 what 05:05:18 theres no downstairs 05:05:30 either search or go back up and try another downstairs 05:06:16 :? 05:06:22 -!- quintopia has joined. 05:06:26 :?? 05:07:35 are slings useful 05:07:41 uhh is there a decent wiki 05:07:41 maybe 05:07:43 i found a wiki once googling 05:07:44 but 05:07:44 i've never used them!! 05:07:46 no 05:07:47 i don't know if it's any good like 05:07:48 nethackwiki or whatever 05:07:50 ok 05:07:52 the wiki is infamously bad 05:07:56 ill stick to monqy then 05:07:59 what I do when I want to know A Thing in crawl is 05:08:02 @??name_of_monster 05:08:06 or if it's not a monster ??name_of_thing 05:08:07 in ##crawl 05:08:11 ??sling 05:08:13 ITS NOT WORKING PATASHU 05:08:16 :( 05:08:21 also 05:08:25 ##crawl is generally better than wiki but sometimes bad people give bad advice 05:08:27 or are generally bad 05:08:28 you can pm the bots directly if you don't want to reveal your shameful secrets 05:08:33 elliott, the Crawl wiki is considered obsolete by everyone 05:08:37 Henzell responds to ?? 05:08:46 Gretell responds to @?? 05:08:47 Sgeo: obsolete and full of bad advice and misinformation 05:08:53 Sgeo: it is doublebad 05:08:54 sounds great 05:09:07 oh cmon!!! 05:09:24 you can berk again 05:09:44 btw, the most important thing to know in crawl as a combat wombat is the concept of weapon delay 05:09:54 basically 05:10:01 is that really the most important thing 05:10:04 every 2 points in $weapon_skill your weapon's weapon delay is reduced by 10% 05:10:11 i thought the most important thing was like 05:10:12 to a minimum of 70% or half of its original whichever is lower 05:10:16 well 05:10:19 for strategy purposes it is 05:10:19 when to run and how to position yourself 05:10:26 oh i was thinking tactics 05:10:33 basically you want to pump your weapon skill until you have the min delay for your weapon 05:10:34 im really not 05:10:35 diving very well am i 05:10:38 then you can do other things as well 05:10:38 i keep getting sidetracked 05:10:39 before finding stairs 05:10:44 the problem is 05:10:45 finding stairs is 05:10:46 difficult 05:10:52 you don't have to dive 05:10:53 it's just 05:10:56 i want to because 05:10:58 diving is less boring than clearing everything 05:10:58 otherwise im really bored 05:11:04 solution to boredom: 05:11:07 explore_delay = -1 05:11:08 ADOM has something like weapon delay too; the more skills you have reduce the energy costs. This is described fully in the instructions (push ? during the game). 05:11:09 travel_delay = -1 05:11:16 alternate o and tab until D:1 is cleared 05:11:17 Patashu: for some reason elliott is exploring manually 05:11:23 he's crazy 05:11:25 well i 05:11:26 I have a friend who explores manually 05:11:27 he dies a lot 05:11:28 was trying to find stairs quicker 05:11:28 also don't alternate o and tab, put them both on the same key 05:11:31 because autoexplore is all 05:11:35 find everything 05:11:35 and make sure that key is spacebar 05:11:37 and i was trying to be 05:11:38 find stairs 05:11:39 and hit spacebar 05:11:40 a lot 05:11:46 also put other things on spacebar 05:11:52 monqy "speaking from personal experience" 05:12:00 is "other things" a euphemism for "a giant lua macro" 05:12:07 if you want it to be! 05:12:29 if i was serious about winning my macro would be smaller or better 05:12:54 but I prefer crazy 05:13:24 oh 05:13:28 i was expecting that kobold to be angrier 05:13:35 kobolds aren't very angry 05:13:41 are goliath beetli 05:13:48 goliath beetles are sloooow 05:13:50 but they hit for like all your hp 05:13:54 they're slow but hit kind of hard?? just don;'t keymash into them 05:14:07 ill just wait to not be exh 05:14:08 then 05:14:09 berk 05:14:09 it 05:14:14 this is my strategy for everything btw 05:14:18 that's a bad strategy 05:14:22 you can hit 5 to be less exh 05:14:24 you can kill it and take 0 damage with hack and back 05:14:28 but that's boring 05:14:47 dying to goliath bettles is boring-er 05:14:48 same for worms 05:14:54 suddenly i agree with patashu 05:14:58 Is it possible to win at Crawl without ever advancing an experience level? 05:15:04 one solution to goliath beatles: dont fight them 05:15:10 zzo38: no 05:15:20 whoah 05:15:27 that's "keymashing into them" 05:15:32 whoops 05:15:36 i learned a lesson today 05:15:39 zzo38: well, maybe with absolutely insane luck manipulation, but then I don't know 05:15:39 (my first crawl lesson) 05:15:40 monqy: In ADOM it is possible; someone won an ultra ending with only one experience point in total (which is not enough to advance a level). 05:15:48 zzo38: you would need insane luck manipulation 05:15:49 ok um 05:15:50 im trying again 05:17:00 Patashu: OK 05:17:22 monqy: how come kobolds can like 05:17:26 throw across insane curves 05:17:28 there's technically nothing stopping you 05:17:33 since the runes and orb are on the ground 05:17:38 except there'll be thousands of enemies in your way 05:17:38 elliott: insane curves? 05:17:42 like 05:17:47 im around the corner from them completely 05:17:47 and you don't start with enough escape resources nor will you find enough 05:17:49 and they just hit me anyway 05:17:56 also, if you can see a monster it can hit you 05:17:57 and vice versa 05:18:01 yes thats 05:18:03 (well, ignoring things like glass) 05:18:03 elliott: they're approximations of plain ol euclidean lines 05:18:04 not 05:18:07 it doesnt make sense ;( 05:18:08 elliott: its dumb 05:18:12 elliott: :'[ 05:18:14 monqy: yeah but 05:18:17 you cant throw curves like that irl 05:18:21 its like 05:18:23 going forward a ton 05:18:25 they're bad approximations 05:18:25 and then randomly decides to bend 05:18:37 btw uh 05:18:41 in crawl, the field of vision model is that you can project a line from anywhere within your tile to anywhere in the other tile 05:18:43 do i need to care about whether i increase str int or dex 05:18:43 and that counts as being in LOS 05:18:50 Can you, scare someone away, teleport in different places, get a lot of defense, etc 05:18:52 ther'es a certain tension between realism and crawl isn't real life, and in crawl it ends with everyone being upset 05:18:53 also, int if you plan on casting spells (you don't) 05:19:01 zzo38: you can do all of those things 05:19:05 elliott: go dex on kobe probably? 05:19:07 but you can't do them enough without levels or a shitload of comestibles 05:19:11 monqy: ok 05:19:15 ive never increeased dex before 05:19:17 "a firste for me" 05:19:41 str would be for armours and you're probably as kobe doing more a dodgey route. you already have enough str for any armour you'd want to use 05:19:57 oh goodness gracious 05:20:10 oh no what did you do 05:20:11 i'm a really bad player 05:20:23 elliott: Then you must learn...... 05:20:27 zzo38: the thing about crawl that's different from most roguelikes is that 'teleportation' takes a few turns to activate 05:20:34 and during those few turns you're pretty vulnerable to whatever's in your line of sight 05:20:53 "pretty vulnerable" just as vulnerable as usual 05:21:01 you can do stuff while waiting to teleport 05:21:05 like heal, run away, etc 05:21:12 there's a teleport control status, but certain levels (like zot:5) prevent it from working, too 05:21:15 monqy: didnt you say trog had magic abilities 05:21:15 or sth 05:21:26 elliott: you only have enougjh piety for berk 05:21:27 while theoretically you could teleport-dance to get three runes the orb and leave you can't really do it enough and reliably enough 05:21:32 oh, and when you have the orb that disables ctele too 05:21:33 monqy: im exh 05:21:37 elliott: woops 05:21:38 Is it possible to win at Crawl with a small inventory weight limit 05:21:45 monqy: is this the part where i die 05:21:53 elliott: do you have potieon 05:21:58 yes 05:22:02 you could randomly try one of those 05:22:04 hope it's curing 05:22:09 wrong poteion 05:22:12 woops 05:22:14 not potable enough 05:22:18 (In ADOM, someone has once won with the weight limit being no more than one chaos orb, meaning you have to place each orb individually) 05:22:25 whoah 05:22:27 this is a new level design 05:22:28 yeah, ADOM has crazy amounts of exploits, I've read 05:22:36 like where you teleport to the rooms in darkforge full of pools weapons and armour 05:22:43 and get everything you need to be unnecessarily powerful 05:22:51 monqy 05:22:54 elliott: crawl has "vaults" which are chunks of predesigned dungeon structure, and "entry vaults" which happen on game start 05:22:54 whats that weird circle level thing 05:22:58 elliott: that's that 05:23:00 ok 05:23:01 an entry vault 05:23:08 oh how do you offer a corpse thing btw 05:23:11 i forgot 05:23:11 p 05:23:13 for prey 05:23:33 thanks 05:23:43 is it bad to do it too much 05:23:49 no 05:23:53 pray does nothing if there's no corpse under you 05:23:55 doesn't even waste a turn 05:24:03 i mean when there is 05:24:04 worst that can happen is you pray away the corpses you want to eat and run out of food "rip" 05:24:21 i forget if praying with a corpse under you costs a turn 05:24:25 it does 05:24:26 if it does i guess that could be bad in combat 05:24:35 but otherwise it's strictly beneficial 05:24:45 Patashu: I know, ADOM has a lot of these things; it has the "uberjackal" effect which many people hate but I think it is not strong enough 05:25:00 if you don't need the corpse or turn for something else: pray is stricktly good 05:25:40 And you can win without ever entering Darkforge, even. You could also win by entering only the tower of flames and the main dungeon 05:26:04 (I have found where the world map is stored in the executable, and edit it; it is not difficult to do) 05:26:27 (For example, to restrict certain areas of the game) 05:26:50 You should try crawl, zzo38 05:27:08 Patashu: I have played Crawl too 05:27:16 And I do have it on my computer 05:27:26 what crawl is this 05:27:32 Have you beaten it? 05:27:35 you seem like the sort of person who would play ancient crawl 05:27:51 augh 05:27:52 why the orcs 05:27:54 it's always the orcs 05:28:03 you're probably a bit too early for an orc warrior 05:28:10 if you don't get away it will kill you 05:28:11 but berk!! 05:28:14 uh 05:28:15 it killed me 05:28:16 and if it has a polearm it will kill you from afar 05:28:17 in the past 05:28:23 it used an orcish halberd :( 05:28:26 :( 05:29:06 i feel like im 05:29:11 playing more properly now though 05:29:13 even if i am dying a lot 05:29:15 ok im going 05:29:16 again 05:29:19 btw 05:29:20 They say that the Orb of Zot exists deep, deep down but nobody ever got it. 05:29:23 this is the worst opening sentence ever 05:29:30 like you read opening sentences 05:29:31 but nobody ever got it??? are you fucking kidding me 05:29:37 elliott: it's not the worst 05:29:41 what's the worst 05:29:45 elliott: amazingly there's one that's even better 05:29:48 at being bad 05:29:50 i love it 05:29:50 let me find it 05:29:54 im wait 05:30:20 The bosom of this dungeon contains the most powerful artefact, the Orb of Zot. 05:30:32 oh it's not as great as i remember it:( 05:30:38 rip 05:30:41 i 05:30:57 oops 05:31:44 also maybe you are diving a bit too quickly?? maybe dive to d:3 then find something difficult to get a level or two off of before going further?? 05:31:54 or go further and if you see anything too difficult run away 05:32:01 and go back up and level up 05:32:11 that's probably 05:32:11 a good idea 05:32:30 i think my main problem though is that 05:32:31 i'm bad 05:32:32 at games 05:32:35 oh 05:32:50 and im not sure 05:32:51 why 05:33:08 possibly impatience 05:33:13 possibly you're bad at them because you don't play them enough 05:33:18 i feel like monqy was just treating my badness as a crawl-specific thing and is now giving up on me 05:33:21 :'( 05:33:38 im not giv up 05:33:41 case in point 05:33:42 but uh 05:33:44 what happened there 05:33:47 i have no idea 05:33:49 oh i got pois 05:33:51 i wasn't watching 05:33:53 and died while uh 05:33:55 running away 05:33:57 woops 05:34:02 Which roguelike games are designed to be impossible to win at? 05:34:06 IVAN 05:34:07 i think it mostly is impatience though because uh 05:34:09 im impateitnt 05:34:11 monqy: btw i found vagrant 05:34:22 is smart kobold winnable? I've never tried 05:34:27 vagrant!! 05:34:30 but uh my problem is basically 05:34:36 when nothing much ish appening i go too fast because 05:34:42 its really boring to consider every little thing that i know will be fine 05:34:46 but then i get into trouble and dont realise it 05:34:47 until im ded 05:34:52 i think this is 05:34:54 a common problem 05:35:00 it's a crawl problem 05:35:00 that's why crawl has tedium-reducing buttons 05:35:05 like o, tab, G, x X and so on 05:35:14 monqy: its kind of nethack problem too for me 05:35:15 my main crawl loop is 05:35:20 1. hit o or G enter 05:35:20 i dont play nethack so 05:35:26 2. is the thing that has appeared difficult? 05:35:27 i wouldnt know if its a nethack problem 05:35:30 3. no? tab tab tab or cast cast cast 05:35:31 well nethack is a lot less boring because the maps are a lot smaller and stuff but 05:35:39 there's a lot of monsters that are really easy to dispose of 05:35:44 4. else goto tactics core 05:35:45 i used to play nethack a little bit but i stopped 05:35:45 5. goto 1 05:35:56 i was unspoiled 05:36:05 and i didn';t want to bother with spoilers because yawn 05:36:11 i knew about elbereth but never used it 05:36:19 the other thing you need is a strong early game so you figure out what your resources are and get a strong attack quickly 05:36:27 a lot of the variants nerf elbereth because 05:36:28 if you're a melee character, pump the type of weapon you're using, and look for strong weapons of that kind 05:36:33 you can just spam it forever 05:36:36 i think the furthest i got is it was time to do the quest or something and i couldn't figure out how 05:36:39 so i quit my game 05:36:40 rip 05:36:41 if you're a spellcaster, pump the kind of spell you're using (+ spellcasting if you need to reduce your hunger, e.g. spriggan) 05:36:52 the other thing to do is play the id game properly 05:37:02 i like how 05:37:03 how I do it is wait until I have a bunch of scrolls, then start reading them 05:37:05 crawl says 05:37:07 (ye/n/q/i?) 05:37:09 like 05:37:11 if I'm prompted to select an item, it's either identify, enchant armour or recharging 05:37:12 the e on the y 05:37:14 is there for no reason whatsoever 05:37:18 they're just 05:37:19 once I have id, I use it on all my potions 05:37:20 wanna eat this? 05:37:21 ye 05:37:24 the e is for e 05:37:27 (you do it that way because there are more dangerous potions than dangerous scrolls) 05:37:28 you can use e or y to confirm eating 05:37:33 Patashu: this sounds REALLY BORING 05:37:35 monqy: oh 05:37:38 i thought it was 05:37:38 for YEs 05:37:47 youve ruined it for me now but ON THE OTHER HAND thats convenient 05:37:51 elliott: identification in crawl is boring 05:38:06 i dont know what Patashu said but 05:38:07 how many times have you won crawl btw im just curious 05:38:17 elliott: the early game only lasts until about D:5 thankfully 05:38:19 me? 3 times so far 05:38:21 i someohw won it 17 times before getting sick of it 05:38:25 i dont know how 05:38:36 thats a many time 05:38:45 i guess its easier to win than nethack 05:38:50 I think it is 05:38:54 because 05:38:54 nethack is easier if you're really, really spoiled though 05:38:55 (I think) 05:39:01 winning nethack 17 times would be pr ETTY imrpresive 05:39:03 some people think it iss, some people think it isntt 05:39:14 but then monqy could be relaly good i wouldnnt know ive never seen monqy play 05:39:17 just lua 05:39:19 people have won crawl hunderetds of times 05:39:30 did u see my wit there 05:39:31 i used to be pretty good but then i got sick of it 05:39:35 ye :( 05:39:54 btw, monqy, have you played brogue yet 05:39:56 yeah 05:40:03 i liked it until i got sick of it too 05:40:03 i was asking ais whether brougre is good 05:40:04 is it good 05:40:06 have you beaten it 05:40:07 I still haven't 05:40:14 brogue? yeah it's good 05:40:16 it's tough though 05:40:18 no :( i got to like the level before the last as my best 05:40:30 whats brouge like 05:40:32 i won doomrl a good few times before getting sick of it too 05:40:32 it isl ike rouge 05:40:34 *is it 05:40:36 brogue is another roguelike 05:40:42 i gathered 05:40:43 that much 05:40:43 it's like rogue but it has a b in front 05:40:53 brogue is 05:40:54 thanks 05:40:54 I dunno how to explain it 05:40:58 but it's full of gas you can set on fire 05:41:00 bridges you can set on fire 05:41:05 and in general you should set fire to things whenever possible 05:41:07 I have many ideas to make up a roguelike game. One is that each kind of creature and each class has two numeric values associated with it called "experience factor" and "score factor", neither of which affect NPCs. Also that inactive areas are stored to disk instead of memory, that experience points are mostly earned from quests and other unique things, that tactics to save time are important, many kinds of spells/items, etc 05:41:11 (preferably while not in it) 05:41:12 that sounds 05:41:12 good 05:41:28 monqy: im doing what you said 05:41:29 by the way 05:41:34 because im responsible 05:41:40 oops 05:41:41 im pois 05:41:47 I don't know what is your opinion of some of my ideas for roguelike games 05:41:50 just rest it off maybe? 05:41:53 rest it off 05:41:55 if you're about to die 05:41:55 quaff whatever kind of potion you have the most of 05:41:56 if you get too low on hp you can try your potions 05:41:59 (it'll probably be curing or heal wounds) 05:42:07 i cant rest it off 05:42:09 i press 5 and 05:42:09 alternatively start reading scrolls for identify and start the identification game right now 05:42:11 i keep being more ded 05:42:14 no 05:42:17 yay i won 05:42:19 the potion gamble 05:42:27 5 just pauses when you lose hp from pois 05:42:28 also, yes 05:42:30 because it's dumb 05:42:30 read all your scrolls 05:42:33 monqy: thats 05:42:35 dum 05:42:38 where by dumb i mean 05:42:44 oh god damn im pois again 05:43:04 is resting off by 05:43:06 pressing . a lot 05:43:06 annoying but sometimes lifesaving? like it's just annoying if you're high hp and if you're low hp it should be pausing on hp loss anyway so yeah it's just dumb 05:43:10 :( 05:43:13 5 is better than . 05:43:16 but 05:43:18 you said it just poises 05:43:18 just hit 5 multiple times 05:43:19 erm 05:43:20 pauses 05:43:22 ok 05:43:29 oh i see 05:43:31 also now you got trog's hand!! congratulatiosn1!! 05:43:33 Patashu: When I am playing KING game I usually only quaff a potion I have more than one of if it is unidentified, however, in KING, all potions are equally likely to appear 05:43:43 i dont WANT trogs hand that s DISTUGISTNG its all BLOODIED STUMpe 05:43:49 what 05:43:50 grosss 05:43:54 you lost trogs hand 05:44:00 good!!! 05:44:02 you lose piety over time and you went below the trogs hand threshhold 05:44:03 also 05:44:06 trog's hand is incredibly good 05:44:22 i jumped down thru shaft 05:44:42 shafts can take you down up to 3 levels i think? and you cant go back up them so 05:44:43 wont get fooled again!!!! 05:44:47 only use for escape or SERIOUS DIVING 05:44:53 they uh 05:44:53 are you serious about your diving 05:44:55 went just down one level 05:44:55 so uh 05:44:59 it's randomize 05:45:03 i guess my joking diving... 05:45:06 gave me the LAST LAUGH 05:45:19 oh boy 05:45:24 also it might be good to 05:45:27 There is a review of my KING game which says that the game is good in general but things such as, even after you identify a potion it still might be difficult to understand, for example a potion of Regenerate will regenerate the level, not your health. 05:45:30 rest off exh before exploring 05:45:30 in case you need to berk 05:45:41 or you could backpedal until exh goes away if you ned to berk 05:45:45 also you don't need to berk everything 05:45:51 i thought i died to one of those before 05:45:53 so i 05:45:54 played it safe 05:45:55 oh 05:46:01 also also also oh i forgot what i was going to say drat 05:46:10 this game is not that bad really 05:46:13 rest off slow definitely 05:46:15 and to full hp 05:46:39 i love meat ration 05:46:55 i love traps and doors 05:47:17 does being very full or jjjorijtiorjtojrtijrotjritjroijtoirjtoirjtoirjtoirjtiorjtirojt thingy 05:47:19 have any disadvantages 05:47:31 only really weird things like 05:47:40 not being able to eat a royal jelly to restore your stats 05:47:46 in nethack im all 05:47:51 really careful about keeping at right level of hunger 05:47:54 but in crawl im all 05:47:55 eat everything 05:48:12 if you eat too much permanent food you won't have any for later 05:48:17 assuming you get later 05:48:20 wh 05:48:21 don't eat permafood 05:48:24 unless you're about to starve 05:48:29 w,h, 05:48:33 should proably trogshand&berk yuor ghost 05:48:38 how do i trogs hand 05:48:41 ab 05:48:41 a b 05:48:49 dont berk from far away 05:48:57 you lose berk duration quickly when walking 05:48:58 btw 05:48:59 yeah that was a last minute oopse 05:49:00 but uh 05:49:01 why is it that in roguelike 05:49:03 that paid off 05:49:05 people use circles expecting them to be circles 05:49:11 but they should use squares instead 05:49:16 squarelos 05:49:20 Patashu: nobody knows 05:49:23 Wait, how id elliott manage to find elliott's ghost? 05:49:30 im clairvoynt 05:49:33 I think it's more likely to pick ghosts of people who have died lately 05:49:35 Patashu: were you around for the squarelos branch? in which square los was implemented 05:49:37 and elliott has died a lot lately 05:49:39 monqy: no 05:49:42 Patashu: and erocrawl, in which square los was implemented 05:49:48 Patashu: some of the devs (kilobyte) don't like it 05:49:51 Patashu: wow RUDE!!! 05:49:56 is Patashu watching me 05:49:59 no 05:50:00 should I be? 05:50:03 absolutely 05:50:06 im a bag of laughter 05:50:06 cool 05:50:06 cao? 05:50:07 and a can of fun 05:50:09 no 05:50:09 cdo 05:50:10 because 05:50:15 moqny is cdo 05:50:18 oh ok 05:50:20 *monquay 05:50:21 maybe cdo has its own ghosts 05:50:31 cao has cao ghosts and cdo has cdo ghosts 05:50:32 stop running around slowed 05:50:32 for one 05:50:35 i like the part where slow + exh + worm 05:50:37 now you can't hack and back that worm 05:50:38 yeah i said to rest off slow!! 05:50:42 yeah i just 05:50:43 didnt notice 05:50:45 ok 05:50:47 now you can hack and back it 05:50:48 hack and back is the dumbest 05:50:53 or that 05:50:58 you have enoiough hp to just hit it, don't even need berk 05:51:01 brb one 05:51:01 second 05:51:02 if it gets you low, run away 05:51:03 monqy: yeah but 05:51:03 hack and back? 05:51:05 im scared of worms 05:51:06 im scared of 05:51:08 quite a few species by now 05:51:10 1) wait for it to step next to you 05:51:11 2) hit it 05:51:13 3) walk back a step 05:51:15 4) goto 1 05:51:19 works on anything much slower than you 05:51:40 at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" 05:52:03 am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink 05:52:08 i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 05:52:13 kite? 05:52:16 And mephitic cloud? 05:52:23 don't you play crawl sgeo 05:52:44 Can I use an Either monad transformer on a list monad? 05:52:46 `addquote hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 05:52:47 Not much 05:52:49 844) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 05:53:14 And if so, will it do what I am trying? 05:53:16 whoops 05:53:23 holy shit 05:53:23 huh 05:53:25 what vault is this 05:53:26 that's full of humans 05:53:29 elliott: Oops you typed it backwards!!!!!! 05:53:30 elliott: perhaps a few too many things to be berking 05:53:38 elliott: you might run out of berk and be slowed in fron of them all 05:53:39 ps 05:53:41 Patashu: sword in stone 05:53:42 how fast are humans 05:53:42 you can't run from things while slowed 05:53:48 fuque 05:53:49 faster than you are right now 05:53:55 uhhhhhhh 05:53:59 how good is trogs hand 05:53:59 do you have any id'd potions/scrolls 05:54:01 at situations 05:54:02 not that good 05:54:02 like this 05:54:11 is there any level of good that can help me now 05:54:13 the regen is like 1 hp/turn or so 05:54:14 well 05:54:14 btw monqy 05:54:18 do you have any id'd scrolls/potions 05:54:18 i berked when there was only one human 05:54:21 no 05:54:21 it's more than 1hp per tern isnt it 05:54:23 well 05:54:24 yes 05:54:27 i have a potion of heal me up 05:54:34 If your character is human then they may be as fast as you I suppose, so you can run away at the same speed they are running, I suppose, I would think. But if your character not human then consider something else 05:54:43 zzo38: im david slowed though 05:54:44 elliott: generally if you'r ein unexplored territory you should see if there's something you can't see or back way intpo exoplorded tarretory if you can 05:54:52 elliott: anyway you can probably survive this 05:54:59 news to me 05:55:02 i cant run 05:55:03 sooo 05:55:04 trog's hand and hit it 05:55:05 since you can't run 05:55:08 use the potion of heal wounds to heal 05:55:14 there's a trap, could i maybe run to trap, just asking 05:55:22 uh 05:55:23 you can run it just won't get you away from the human. it will hit you but less frequently 05:55:24 that might work yeah 05:55:31 you cant get to the trap 05:55:34 it's enclosed in walls 05:55:37 btw, I just thought of something 05:55:37 oh 05:55:40 it's sword in stone vault 05:55:40 has elliot been bothering to upgrade armour 05:55:42 from that animal skin 05:55:44 no 05:55:47 ok 05:55:51 ok uhhh 05:55:53 trogs hand here we go 05:55:55 should i move before doing that 05:55:59 or is here as good a place as any 05:56:01 hand 05:56:03 sure trogs hand 05:56:13 is that a no then 05:56:18 hand hand 05:56:21 lol 05:56:31 this isnt working 05:56:33 lol 05:56:35 quaff healing 05:56:36 wha y are you attacking 05:56:40 also, what monqy said 05:56:42 um because 05:56:43 quaff heal woulds 05:56:46 heal woudls 05:56:47 06:55 trog's hand and hit it 05:56:50 heal dwouldnbgf 05:56:50 ~blame patashu~ 05:56:52 I said that? 05:56:53 oops 05:56:54 Patashu: blam 05:56:56 well I shouldn't have should I 05:56:56 i dont have heal wounds 05:56:59 i have curing though 05:57:01 oh 05:57:02 sorry if 05:57:04 "heal me up" was ambiguous 05:57:07 curing mayb 05:57:12 curing is good enough at low levels 05:57:13 elliott: Do you have "heal woulds"? 05:57:13 ok that helped a BIT 05:57:19 zzo38: oops no :( 05:57:21 im double bad 05:57:21 I don't have any woulds that need healing 05:57:22 ok um 05:57:24 should i stop hitting it 05:57:26 probably 05:57:28 probably 05:57:31 should i just 05:57:33 run randomly 05:57:33 yep 05:57:36 no run to the trap 05:57:39 monqy said 05:57:40 no it wont work 05:57:40 it should be tele 05:57:41 its ecnlsoed in walls 05:57:42 oh 05:57:43 ooh 05:57:44 its behind walls 05:57:45 idk then 05:57:49 backpedaling will reducce the frequency at which the human hits you 05:57:49 probably run nw 05:57:57 you can recast trogs hand once it expires 05:58:03 aim for a staircase you can go up 05:58:06 ok 05:58:14 then you will only have things that are adjacent to you to worry about 05:58:16 haha 05:58:17 uhhhhhhhhh 05:58:20 and you can maybe berkem by then 05:58:22 oh no 05:58:32 i cant really aim for anything 05:58:34 but i can run at random 05:58:35 you're fucked 05:58:38 quit and start over 05:58:39 also uh 05:58:41 oh did trogs hand run out 05:58:44 yes 05:58:54 rest peacefulyl 05:59:02 look at all that shit you had 05:59:11 welp time to 05:59:13 ±TREY AGAIN± 05:59:17 WHOAH 05:59:18 lrava 05:59:20 *lval 05:59:26 b.t.w 05:59:28 how do you call up message history 05:59:30 it not ctrl+p 05:59:31 wtf 05:59:35 it ctrl p 05:59:35 that is the worst entry vault I've ever seen 05:59:38 it is ctrl+p btw 05:59:44 Patashu: there's a kobold with disperasal darts 05:59:45 oh so it is 05:59:45 see 05:59:47 oh 05:59:47 Patashu: and a secret door i think 05:59:48 lmao 05:59:49 still awfuil 05:59:50 Patashu: but yeah it's bad 05:59:50 anyway 05:59:51 do this 05:59:52 hit m 05:59:58 turn off everything except maces and flails 06:00:03 im dont do anything patashu says after latst time without monqy confirmation 06:00:09 fine by me 06:00:25 anyway the reason why you do that is 06:00:29 more m&f = lower weapon delay 06:00:29 maybe identify stuff if youre ok with that sort of thing. generally the thing to do is read scrolls to identify them and use id scrolls on potions, since bad scrolls arent so bad but bad potions are real badlike 06:00:36 lower weapon delay = you get hit less because you hit more faster like 06:00:40 so it's the best thing to raise early on 06:00:52 i dont really know HOW to identify stuff :x :x :x 06:00:54 i dunno if you're at a learning point at which you should bother with skills 06:00:54 this game is so different 06:00:56 that's ok 06:00:57 step 1 is 06:00:57 to everything i know 06:00:57 elliott: just use them 06:00:58 get stuff to id 06:01:04 ok 06:01:12 uhhhhh 06:01:14 hit s 06:01:14 a lot 06:01:16 I guess 06:01:20 there 06:01:20 lol 06:01:20 a lot = once 06:01:23 elliott, read-iding works with many scrolls, although id/enchant armor/recharge it would be useful with spoilers 06:01:45 haha 06:01:47 death by giant gecko 06:01:48 this is what happens when i spam tab 06:01:56 lucky 06:01:56 you werent in a chokke pont 06:02:04 chokke pont 06:02:08 giant gecko is like 06:02:12 the only tough monster on D:1 06:02:14 (it's faster than you!) 06:02:15 elliott: it wouldn't hurt to do the skill thing where you disable everything but m&f for aw hile but ehh 06:02:18 elliott, basically, scrolls that can be used on items are either ID or enchant armor or recharge 06:02:23 monqy: ok ill do it 06:02:24 elliott: if you want to: hit m to open the skille menu 06:02:27 One of the tutorials actually goes through that 06:02:44 there is no m though 06:02:46 u disabled maces and flal 06:02:46 oh is that b 06:02:51 y 06:02:52 e 06:02:58 do i want to 06:02:59 asterisk them 06:03:07 doesn't matter if you're only training one thing 06:03:10 asteris makes them train faster relative to ther skills you have on 06:03:13 * means 'disproprtionately train this' 06:03:14 im training two thing 06:03:17 ok i guess ill leave it 06:03:18 like that 06:03:20 disab dodg 06:03:26 but 06:03:27 oh 06:03:28 m&f isnt 06:03:28 turn off everything that isn't m&f 06:03:30 the letters m and f 06:03:30 ok 06:03:32 no 06:03:32 lol 06:03:36 i was 06:03:36 confuse 06:03:37 also you may want to switch to manual mode it doesnt mater when youre only training one thing 06:03:44 manual mode? 06:03:50 I do not understand the m screen at all 06:03:50 Sgeo: don't you play crawl? 06:04:06 holy shit 06:04:08 that was long corridor 06:04:15 D:1 is always full of long corridors 06:04:17 monqy, not much 06:04:44 you always seem so enthusiastic about it 06:04:51 talking about xom and stuff 06:05:05 btw, if you see any gloves, helmets, hats, boots, shields or whatever 06:05:10 its like that thing that sgeo knows a lot about but has never played ever i forget what it is 06:05:10 pick them up and wear them (they won't autopickup) 06:05:17 Patashu: ok 06:05:18 if 06:05:20 monqy says ok 06:05:23 its ok 06:05:34 should i 06:05:35 elliott, hm? 06:05:35 try iding things 06:05:39 ive got things to id 06:05:41 sure 06:05:45 start with the scrolls 06:05:47 ok 06:05:52 just read em all??? 06:05:57 elliott, NetHack? DF? (Although I would not say I know a lot about either) 06:05:58 read em all 06:05:59 let god sort them out 06:06:05 DF especially I seem to prefer reading stories over playing 06:06:16 uhh 06:06:19 it just disappeared 06:06:22 it's id 06:06:23 pick a potion 06:06:24 use on which item 06:06:27 oh 06:06:30 ummm 06:06:32 which is best potion 06:06:34 doesn't matter 06:06:35 pick 06:06:35 either 06:06:41 mutation! 06:06:42 exciting 06:06:43 mutation is a bad idea 06:06:44 quaff it 06:06:47 unless you like bad ideas 06:06:48 totally go for it 06:06:51 (bad ideas can be fun) 06:06:51 it makes the early game more exciting 06:06:51 what would that 06:06:52 do 06:06:54 mutate you 06:06:54 ((bad ideas can also be bad)) 06:06:57 whats 06:06:58 that 06:06:59 is it like polymorph 06:07:00 at this early point it's probably a good idea to quaf it 06:07:02 elliott, no 06:07:07 mutation makes your life more exciting 06:07:07 whats it like 06:07:10 quaff it 06:07:11 help!!! 06:07:12 find out 06:07:15 peer pressure 06:07:21 potions of mutation are 100% random 06:07:22 Mutations are ... could be a resistance. Could be something else 06:07:23 i succumb 06:07:25 congratulations 06:07:30 I think 06:07:30 what did it do 06:07:32 hit A 06:07:38 lol 06:07:39 you got more hp (good), less mp (doesnt matter), and you move slwoly (bad) 06:07:42 i dont want to cover ground slowly 06:07:45 i want to fast 06:07:48 how can i fast 06:07:48 too baD!!! 06:07:53 PEER PRESSURE!!!!! 06:07:53 unmuatte 06:07:56 or 06:07:57 quit 06:07:58 well i 06:07:59 and restarr 06:07:59 like hp 06:08:01 hp is nice 06:08:01 so 06:08:03 or 06:08:04 i can increase fast later 06:08:05 right 06:08:06 die from being slwo 06:08:12 if by increase you mean 06:08:13 you can fix it via a few ways 06:08:14 mutating more 06:08:16 quaffing cure mutation 06:08:17 etc 06:08:20 boots of run 06:08:21 but 06:08:22 um 06:08:26 ok how do i unmuatte 06:08:36 potion of cure mutatiosn, zin, jiyva 06:08:36 you'll find it l8r 06:08:38 + & also y r u peer pressuring jerks 06:08:48 id the other potion 06:08:48 btw 06:08:53 help nothing appera to 06:08:54 hpen 06:08:56 Don't both Zin and Jiyva suck? 06:08:58 (the scroll that did nothing is either remove curse or amnesia) 06:09:00 Sgeo: no 06:09:03 Well, I've heard worse about Zin 06:09:05 zin sucks for early game 06:09:05 >.> 06:09:07 is good as a swap for late game 06:09:08 can i annotate it 06:09:10 jiyva is fun 06:09:13 saying reither mreove curse of aensia 06:09:13 it will auto annotate 06:09:15 Sgeo: are you listening to stories from bad people 06:09:17 ok 06:09:22 aaaah 06:09:23 id the other potion 06:09:23 scroll of fear 06:09:31 parlys 06:09:32 woo paralyssss 06:09:40 paralys is abd you can drop it 06:09:44 no i 06:09:45 d- to drop useles item 06:09:47 want to keep it around 06:09:48 just in case 06:09:55 you cant throw potion 06:09:58 oh boy 06:10:00 another use on which item 06:10:02 you cant dip either 06:10:07 i dont care i want o keep it 06:10:07 use on the skin 06:10:07 just in case 06:10:11 i ever need to be paralysde 06:10:15 it's either encfhant armour or recharg wand 06:10:18 and you dont have any wand 06:10:18 so 06:10:22 i recharged my animal skin wand 06:10:37 monqy, with evaporate... 06:10:38 also wands dont explod 06:10:41 Sgeo: sh 06:10:44 Sgeo: shshshh 06:10:46 Sgeo: shshshshshshshshssh 06:10:50 he won't learn evaporate 06:10:51 Sgeo: also eliots trog 06:10:53 (he worships trog) 06:10:56 (so) 06:10:58 monqy, oh, right 06:10:58 he won't worship evaporate 06:11:00 i wont let him 06:11:00 is trog the loser god 06:11:07 trog doesnt like magic 06:11:09 elliott, Trog is antimagic 06:11:15 aaaaAAAA 06:11:19 lure the gnolls into the corridor 06:11:20 and berk them 06:11:26 mmm, d:2 gnolls 06:11:27 but im held 06:11:29 lmao 06:11:30 elliott, spellbooks are useful with Trog though 06:11:35 does the gnoll have a polearm 06:11:35 You can make them burst into flame 06:11:38 use x to check 06:11:45 no jutst a flail 06:11:46 wait for him to walk next to you 06:11:46 and zerk 06:11:47 ok try running back again 06:11:52 back which way 06:11:53 as in 06:11:54 up?? 06:11:56 one tile away yeah 06:11:56 ^ 06:11:57 yes 06:12:02 now zerk 06:12:10 no 06:12:11 yeah 06:12:13 kill kill kill 06:12:13 lol 06:12:14 uhhhh 06:12:19 i used my zerk to get out of the net 06:12:21 why 06:12:23 the problem with zerking then is you're stuk in the net and berk will expire quickly with you trying to get out of it 06:12:24 because 06:12:25 you told me to zerk 06:12:27 you can kill things while in a net 06:12:28 and i tried to attack it 06:12:29 which was 06:12:31 wai 06:12:31 what 06:12:31 how 06:12:34 you can't melee while in a net? 06:12:36 I thought you could 06:12:38 no 06:12:38 patashu 06:12:39 i hate you 06:12:40 so much 06:12:42 haha 06:12:57 dex?? 06:12:59 ye 06:13:02 does the other gnoll have a polearm 06:13:05 nope 06:13:06 oh no matter 06:13:09 flail 06:13:21 do i want net 06:13:24 maybe I'm thinking of 06:13:25 no 06:13:27 its useles 06:13:27 you can cast -spells- while under a net 06:13:28 what 06:13:29 really? 06:13:31 nets fucking own 06:13:34 kobolds cant throw nets 06:13:34 (unless kobolds can't use them?) 06:13:36 what 06:13:36 ok 06:13:40 kobolds are too smalle 06:13:42 whoo boy 06:13:43 well if you could use it it would be awesome 06:13:43 btw 06:13:47 forgot to wait for non-exh 06:13:51 dont worry 06:13:53 jackals are chumps 06:13:54 just kill them 06:13:55 dont need to berk the jackal 06:13:57 ye 06:13:59 oh so they are 06:14:02 i remember 06:14:02 it's not like they're brogue jackals 06:14:03 dying to them a lot 06:14:03 or anything 06:14:22 brogue jackals arne't so bad 06:14:35 it's easy to slip and die to them 06:14:41 what's annoying is brogue vampire bad packs. not really hard most of the time but augh so annoying 06:14:41 because they spawn in packs on D:3 and move super fast 06:14:46 vampire bat packs 06:14:50 yeah vampire bats are worse 06:14:54 but you have darts for them at least 06:15:22 brogue ogres can also be a problem early on. brogures 06:15:30 ogres at least you can run away from indefinitely 06:15:33 do i want ring mail 06:15:34 i remember patashu 06:15:35 berating me 06:15:38 for not amoure 06:15:42 A monad transformer for Either would be simple: lift = EitherT . fmap Right; join (EitherT x) = EitherT (x >>= either (return . Left) id); 06:15:47 dont bother with it right now at least 06:15:49 zzo38: its in transformers 06:15:55 I prefer ac builds to ev builds 06:15:59 but I haven't played with them as much 06:16:11 whoa its another 06:16:12 use on item thing 06:16:18 use on wand 06:16:22 don't bother with armours until you have your other stuff down 06:16:31 i never have my other stuff down 06:16:32 elliott: I didn't see it in transformers 06:16:35 and then you rpobalby want a dragon armour or something 06:16:38 btw 06:16:40 rest to full hp 06:17:01 zzo38: hmm or was it mtl 06:17:02 i forget, sorry 06:17:08 maybe could put on leather armour if you found it 06:17:24 ring mail hurts a bit more than leather armour so if you want to take baby steps go leather first 06:17:26 elliott: I didn't find it in mtl either; but I looked I found it in the package called EitherT 06:17:27 fuckn worms 06:17:35 monqy: btw is there an equivalent of nethack ant 06:17:35 in crawl 06:17:39 uhh 06:17:39 ant?? 06:17:40 I have just come up with the best idea ever 06:17:45 zzo38: oh wait it was an edwardk package it was in 06:17:47 nicer than EitherT 06:17:47 you mean like 06:17:49 elliott: have you played nethack4 yet? 06:17:52 appears in packs, is unnecessarily dangerous? 06:17:53 monqy: uhhh in nethack beginners die to swarms of ants a lot 06:17:54 and 06:17:55 maybe orc warriors 06:17:57 people say go team ant 06:17:58 an 06:17:59 d 06:18:01 stuff 06:18:03 coppro: nope 06:18:04 we need an IRC-based client for nethack 06:18:07 well, let's see 06:18:20 elliott: i dunno 06:18:33 fuq 06:18:37 dont worry 06:18:41 its just jakales 06:19:00 and rest to full hp etc 06:19:06 join (EitherT x) = EitherT (x >>= either (return . Left) runEitherT); is what it should be 06:19:12 and dont flee into unexplored area 06:19:17 1586697 games for *: 448897x , 100673x a hobgoblin, 96271x a kobold, 59749x a gnoll, 49001x an orc priest, 48617x an orc wizard, 46036x a snake, 42409x an ogre, 41408x Sigmund, 38909x a goblin, 36786x an orc, 27486x an orc warrior, 27406x a centaur, 27355x a jackal, 27330x a giant gecko, 18774x a worm, 13987x Terence, 13309x Ijyb, 12979x a giant cockroach, 12313x a rat, 12188x an ooze, 10628x 06:19:17 Jess... 06:19:21 oh 06:19:22 ogres 06:19:29 jessica? 06:19:35 yeah I don't know how people die to her 06:19:35 either 06:19:40 do i want glowing orcish short sworde 06:19:45 you're using maces 06:19:45 so no 06:20:00 if you find a better mace or flail and have decednt attack delay with it 06:20:01 use it 06:20:08 whoa-oh 06:20:13 orc wizard sounds scary 06:20:13 as a maces kobe you are probably aiming for a demon blade 06:20:24 elliott: might want to trogs hand it for the mr to avoid confusion 06:20:27 er 06:20:29 not demon balde 06:20:29 orc wizards are easy if you can get into melee with them 06:20:30 demon whip 06:20:39 what 06:20:40 the 06:20:40 walk back one step 06:20:46 kill the gnoll 06:20:52 the orc wizard is forced to approach you 06:20:57 since it can't shoot past the gnoll 06:20:57 so keep killing the gnoll 06:20:59 zerk if you want 06:21:04 Patashu: unless it blinks to the other side 06:21:05 actually 06:21:07 mmmdon't zerk 06:21:08 yeah 06:21:09 Patashu: unless it blinks away 06:21:10 it might blink 06:21:10 i want to save zerk for 06:21:12 that fucked me over once 06:21:12 orc wizard 06:21:16 if that's reasonable 06:21:18 keep hitting the thing in front of you 06:21:20 I kind of really want to write this client now. 06:21:24 IRC colors and everything. 06:21:26 ok hmm 06:21:30 get to a corner so the orc wizard will have to get next to you and can't blink away without getting out of sight 06:21:35 so it can't shoot at you from afar 06:21:36 there are no corners 06:21:39 there just quokka 06:21:41 oh 06:21:46 but 06:21:48 im doing good i think 06:21:49 then just plow through or backpedal 06:21:52 either one 06:21:52 i should be able to get rid of it 06:21:52 walk backwards until the quokka catches up with you 06:21:55 But the package implements it in a way which seems too long to me such as EitherT x >>= f = EitherT $ do { res <- x; case res of { Right r -> runEitherT . f $ r; Left l -> return (Left l); }; }; 06:22:00 killit 06:22:01 ok 06:22:04 no zerk 06:22:04 trogs hand? 06:22:08 just kill it 06:22:11 no trogs hand? 06:22:13 are you sure 06:22:15 monqy was all 06:22:15 oh 06:22:16 trugs hand 06:22:16 sure hand 06:22:20 you mgiht want to trogs hand but 06:22:22 you might not 06:22:24 oh man 06:22:28 uhhh 06:22:30 we could have a collective game going 06:22:30 i think i want to zerk him now 06:22:31 oh hey 06:22:33 another wizard 06:22:33 !map and it sends you the map 06:22:36 mapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmapmap 06:22:37 id like to zerk him 06:22:38 !north it moves you north, etc. 06:22:38 can i zerk him 06:22:43 you shouldn't 06:22:43 !nap 06:22:45 why not 06:22:54 because of that other orc wizard down there v 06:22:55 THIS IS SUCH A GREAT IDEA RIGHT GUYS 06:22:57 yes but 06:23:00 i can retreat 06:23:02 after i get rid of him 06:23:03 theres a stair 06:23:04 to the stairs 06:23:05 oh yeah 06:23:05 right there 06:23:06 ok go for it 06:23:11 lol 06:23:12 mother 06:23:12 it blinked 06:23:12 fucker 06:23:12 nice zerk man 06:23:15 elliott: should I write this? 06:23:16 niiice 06:23:18 coppro: idc 06:23:21 :( 06:23:26 hahaha 06:23:28 runnnn 06:23:29 what hsould i uh 06:23:29 ruin down the stairs 06:23:29 increase 06:23:31 dex 06:23:32 in the three seconds before i die 06:23:33 d 06:23:37 rip 06:23:38 ahahaha 06:23:39 mother fucker 06:23:43 one more turn 06:23:45 coppro: Write it only if you like to do so 06:23:46 and i would have escaped 06:23:56 elliott: stairs take a bit more than a turn to descend so 06:23:57 did you have 06:23:58 oh god 06:23:58 any useful resources 06:24:01 i had a wand of digging 06:24:02 oh, potion of speed 06:24:04 (that would have been useful) 06:24:05 doesnt that mean i could have escaped 06:24:08 could have identified that speed potion 06:24:09 probably 06:24:15 fml 06:24:19 btw any source of haste in crawl is very overpowered 06:24:22 it makes you do everything 1.5x as fast 06:24:23 only 1623 turns??? 06:24:34 ok im going to take 06:24:36 a two minute break 06:24:38 and then play again 06:24:39 @time monq 06:24:40 @time monqy 06:24:42 Local time for monqy is Sat Apr 21 23:24:40 2012 06:24:45 happy birthday monqy 06:24:48 hapy 06:25:57 ive started new game ready 06:26:12 ye 06:27:10 ok 06:27:21 Patashu: are you ready to give me bad advice 06:27:24 yep 06:27:28 (always) 06:27:30 *ye 06:27:44 i agree trog 06:27:46 kill them all 06:27:48 ok 06:27:49 m&f only 06:27:50 like before 06:27:50 " \m/ " 06:27:52 coppro: Are you good at Pokemon Card? 06:28:02 ooo 06:28:03 WHOAh 06:28:04 an aquarium 06:28:06 they're behind glass 06:28:08 zzo38: do you have another puzzle? 06:28:12 pretend you're at the zoo 06:28:12 <--- still scarred 06:28:16 <--- still scarred 06:28:17 elliott: which server? 06:28:20 coppro: cdo 06:28:30 for the stupid, please expand acronym 06:28:34 crawl.develz.org 06:28:36 port 345 telnet 06:28:36 crawl.develz.org 06:28:39 or ssh somehow 06:28:42 but who cares about that 06:29:22 lol 06:29:24 coppro: No, but I would want to know what someone else knowing Pokemon Card would think of this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncard1.png Such as, who is winning and so on. I do have a later picture too 06:29:25 having fun? 06:29:32 HOW DO I KILL PLANT 06:29:35 (Can you read Japanese a bit?) 06:29:36 you don't 06:29:41 they are invulnerable 06:29:45 OH REALLY 06:29:46 gasp 06:29:48 how did you 06:29:48 zzo38: No, I cannot read japanese 06:29:49 impossible 06:29:49 you can kill plant if you hit it enough but it's usually not worth the bother 06:29:50 i hit it a lot 06:29:51 but yeah 06:29:52 until it died 06:29:55 it required 06:29:57 great intellect 06:30:00 and skill 06:30:00 bushes are even less worth the bother 06:30:13 zzo38: I am also not familiar enough with the video game to interpret the situation from that screenshot 06:30:13 i fucking hate it when things flee 06:30:21 yes 06:30:26 its like 06:30:30 now that ive made your life a bother 06:30:35 im gonna deny you the privilege of killing me 06:30:56 whoah 06:31:08 thats uh 06:31:11 thats pretty useless actually 06:31:18 it's useful later on 06:31:22 for mapping branch ends and so on 06:31:23 coppro: You do not need to know the video game; everything there should be clear of the card game. The top player has already taken one side card, and has seven cards in hand and eight cards in trash and twenty-four cards in draw pile. Hopefully everything else is clear. (If not, ask.) 06:31:25 but not really right now 06:31:28 magic mapping is useful on branch endings and for mapping out zot for diving i 06:31:28 t 06:31:42 orcish scale male is that 06:31:44 gud 06:31:44 e 06:31:46 particularly for mapping out special pandemonium levels if you want to do a controlled teleport to the rune 06:31:51 *gewèd 06:31:51 but that's laaame 06:31:52 coppro: Also, have you shown anyone else the two puzzles I have written? You are the only one I have shown who could solve them 06:32:16 No, I have not. I don't know very many people who play Pokemon and I don't talk to any of them on a regular basis 06:32:23 monqy do i want 06:32:24 i mean 06:32:25 i wouldnt but 06:32:26 As for your earlier question, I don't know what all the cards do 06:32:29 patashu peer prssured me so much 06:32:39 COPPRO: Also, the swirl icon next to KANGASKHAN means confuse 06:32:43 dont bother with the scale mail 06:33:06 fucking 06:33:06 ring mail would be better than scale mail for you right now, and leather better than that, but animal skin might really be best at the meoment 06:33:11 the mundane forms of armour, from least to most AC, is: animal skin/robe < leather < ring < scale < chain < splint < plate 06:33:11 btw 06:33:12 coppro: I can give you the card texts. Wait a moment. 06:33:22 also wtf 06:33:24 kill that adder 06:33:26 oh 06:33:27 you were slow 06:33:29 rofl 06:33:32 i zerked but 06:33:33 it fleed 06:33:38 and ran away before i could bash it in 06:33:54 lmao 06:34:01 you'll find that downstairs suck as an escape route 06:34:03 because of that 06:34:09 I once fled from an orc warrior downstairs 06:34:10 into a pack of like 06:34:11 wights 06:34:13 and other shit 06:34:14 fucking 06:34:16 orc wizards 06:34:18 go upstairs 06:34:21 bother with that duder later 06:34:23 you're only xl2 lol 06:34:25 need to grind more son 06:34:38 thats a lot of item 06:34:44 he probably had a shitload of hand axes 06:34:48 a many item 06:35:10 btw 06:35:13 when you butcher two or more chunks 06:35:14 wat a water 06:35:15 eat -all of them- 06:35:20 ok 06:35:32 how 06:35:33 are you meant to 06:35:38 you're too busy worshipping trog to worship okawaru 06:35:41 yes but 06:35:42 how 06:35:44 the space 06:35:48 scroll of blinking? potion of levitation? 06:35:51 be a merfolk? 06:35:53 KANGHASKHAN [Lv40]: Retreat cost 3, weak { # }, resist { @ }, attacks: { * } FETCH: draw a card; { **** } COMET PUNCH: Damage 2*coins(4). 06:35:53 the possibilities 06:35:55 r endless 06:35:57 be an octopode 06:36:01 fedhas sunlight 06:36:09 kenku flight 06:36:10 lugonu corrupt? 06:36:11 er 06:36:11 tengu 06:36:25 blink/tele from distortion hit/unwield 06:36:40 tloc miscast from god wrath 06:36:40 that guy must have high standards 06:36:45 don't want no dumb kobold 06:36:47 okawaru? nah he's pretty chill 06:36:58 the only chiller god is cheibriados 06:36:59 you want chill? go chei 06:37:00 heheh 06:37:12 trog is pretty chill 06:37:14 he's ok with everything 06:37:16 no he's not 06:37:20 he hates it if you cast spells 06:37:22 well maybe not for YOU 06:37:27 DARK CHARIZARD [Lv38]: Retreat 3, weak { 6 }, resist { # }, attacks: { * } NAIL FLICK: 1 damage; { MM } CONTINUOUS FIREBALLS: Toss coins equal to number of energy cards, each heads discards one energy and 5 damage 06:37:52 oh im xl4 06:37:53 time to dive 06:37:55 lol 06:38:00 kill them 06:38:02 oh 06:38:02 use tt 06:38:06 to wake them up 06:38:09 HEY I'M OVER HERE 06:38:35 woot 06:38:48 good grief 06:38:50 CHARMANDER [Lv9]: Retreat 1, weak { 6 }, no resist, power: GATHER FIRE: One during your turn if not sleep/confuse/paralyze, you can move one fire energy from another of your cards to this one. attacks: FIRE TAIL: does 2 point of damage 06:39:01 LOL 06:39:03 what 06:39:08 who knew iguanas were so dangerous 06:39:10 zerk time 06:39:14 hint 06:39:19 zerking doesn't work if you wait until you have 1 hp left 06:39:42 i think monqy is away 06:39:43 did you wait until you had 1 hp left to zerk 06:39:45 yeah don't do that 06:39:46 monqy is going to come back and 06:39:46 he did 06:39:47 i was logreading 06:39:48 well um 06:39:49 i wasnt really 06:39:50 waiting 06:39:54 it wasnt really 06:39:55 hurting me much 06:39:58 but then i had 1hp suddenly 06:40:09 elliott: do you have a query open to Gretell 06:40:14 no whose that 06:40:19 @??iguana 06:40:19 iguana (l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Damage: 15 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: magic(12) | XP: 37. 06:40:20 one of the ##crawl bots 06:40:22 a magical bot of wonderousness 06:40:23 could just join ##crawl 06:40:26 HAUNTER [Lv17]: Retreat cost zero, no weakness, resist { # }, power: TRANSPARENCY: If not speel/confuse/paralyze, toss a coin if any attack has an effect on this card, and if heads negate all effects; attack: NIGHTMARE: 1 point of damage and opponent sleeps 06:40:27 probably nobody would hate you 06:40:29 im scared of ##crawl 06:40:33 dont be scared 06:40:37 they're nice people 06:40:45 except for ebarett 06:40:46 ill stick to #esoteric FOR NOW 06:40:48 whose barette 06:40:53 a jerk 06:41:02 i dont like the sound of that :( 06:41:14 fuck 06:41:15 i forgot to 06:41:19 he often has good opinions but 06:41:25 just has a tendency to be a jerk about them 06:41:27 DROWZEE [Lv12]: Retreat 1, weak { @ }, resist none, attack: { * } POUND: 1 damage; { @@ } CONFUSE: 1 damage and toss a coin if heads confused opponent. 06:41:29 i dont care about good opinions 06:41:38 like having good opinions is the most worthless skill ever anyone can do that 06:41:44 good because lots of people in ##crawl have bad opionions 06:41:55 why can't everyone just be monqy 06:42:02 a true mystery 06:42:33 JYNX [Lv23]: Retreat 2, weak { @ }, no resistance; attacks: { @ } DOUBLESLAP: Two coins, 1 damage per heads; { @@* } MEDITATE: Damage is 2 + amount of damage already on opponent 06:42:44 coppro: OK, does this help? 06:43:04 20:25:41: ais523: What's a good roguelike that doesn't end in "Hack"? 06:43:10 as far as roguelikes go, imo brogue is good 06:43:30 im dive down??? to 06:43:32 level up more 06:43:33 brogue reasons: popping a bloat to kill the pack of jackals mobbing you 06:43:35 by dive i mean 06:43:36 one down 06:43:37 before i 06:43:39 rly dive 06:43:50 what 06:43:52 take a step back 06:43:56 thanks 06:43:58 that was hurting me 06:43:59 i was 06:44:01 dual fighting 06:44:03 and I'm not even playing 06:44:05 brb 1s 06:44:35 bak 06:45:03 ugh 06:45:12 the door puzzle on level 3 just had a bunch of scrolls 06:45:13 I hate that 06:45:38 what if the'yre good scroles 06:45:52 enchantment is guaranteed to be generated at a certain rate 06:45:55 and all the other scrolls are just ok 06:46:17 it's the game gypping you out of an awesome staff/weapon 06:46:24 crimson imp 06:46:25 more like 06:46:27 crimson poop 06:47:11 ok im going to 06:47:13 id all these scrolls 06:47:15 zzo38: I would say that the bottom player has the advantage 06:47:19 a 06:47:21 scroll of random uselessness 06:47:22 ok 06:47:35 you don't have to go i -> item -> r 06:47:37 you can just go r -> item 06:47:37 btw 06:47:43 zzo38: the top player's pokemon are not very useful. Kangaskhan will die to a meditate 06:47:44 which should i 06:47:46 use this item on 06:47:51 hit \ 06:47:51 pick a potion 06:47:54 and the charizards are terribly without any fire energy 06:47:58 pick a potion 06:47:59 *terrible 06:48:01 since you don't know id yet 06:48:06 ok 06:48:09 id more potions 06:48:14 this is a new scroll 06:48:17 just f.y.i. 06:48:19 animal skin? 06:48:19 animal skin 06:48:23 woote 06:48:23 yup 06:48:28 woote 06:48:37 woote 06:48:43 enhcant weapon 1 increases accurac, 2 increases damag 06:48:46 3 increas both 06:48:47 coppro: You are correct about the bottom player having the advantage, but not quite right about the meditate. Here is a later state of the game: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncardII.png 06:48:55 27 poisoned needles its my lucky day 06:49:26 ok 06:49:27 now i dive 06:49:28 oh wait that is fire energy 06:49:29 i misread 06:50:06 coppro: Yes it is fire energy, although I don't know what you are refering to. 06:50:10 btw 06:50:11 should i 06:50:14 change the skill thing any time soon 06:50:26 zzo38: I thought the energy on top was colorless 06:50:29 whoah cursed 06:50:56 heple 06:51:18 ?? 06:51:21 dunno 06:51:40 metalle??? 06:51:41 coppro: On top of what? Do you mean the energy attached to KANGASKHAN [Lv40]? It doesn't matter since that card can use any energy to attack. (However, in the first picture, it is confused.) 06:52:06 metalle??? 06:52:31 zzo38: attached to the Charizards 06:52:35 -!- coppro has quit (Quit: leaving). 06:52:40 monqy :'( 06:52:43 -!- coppro has joined. 06:52:44 oh 06:52:46 metalle 06:52:46 (Note: In the second picture, Charmander has ten fire energies.) 06:52:49 you cant dig metalle walls 06:52:51 coppro: Yes, they are fire 06:52:57 i htink monqy is distracted by genius loges 06:52:58 and they are ground to lightning i think 06:53:00 and uhh 06:53:01 yeah 06:53:05 the loges arent 06:53:06 any good 06:53:07 if that helpes 06:53:09 :( 06:53:14 im still diestract 06:53:19 zerk 06:53:19 btw 06:53:22 lol 06:53:32 why do you do this to yourself 06:53:33 wow 06:53:35 how are you still alive 06:53:39 balls 06:53:40 wow what happened 06:53:42 i 06:53:44 killed lots of things and 06:53:46 didn't die somehow 06:53:47 he zerked at 11 hp 06:53:47 again 06:53:49 im distracted and then i look aback and 1hp and zerked 06:53:59 with a gnolles 06:54:00 thats how i roll 06:54:01 protip 06:54:04 zerk isn't something you can use at low hp 06:54:05 like heal wounds 06:54:08 you need to use it EARLY 06:54:11 oh suuuure 06:54:14 you're just jealous 06:54:15 of my skillz 06:54:21 now watch as i die in the next 10 turns 06:54:22 if I want to die a lot on D:4 06:54:24 I know who to turn to 06:54:29 rest 06:54:36 stairs 06:54:37 yeah 06:54:41 elliott: someone with a name starting with "elli" joine ##crawl and i thought it was you for a second 06:54:47 turns out it was just elliptic 06:54:48 I'm sorry, I don't agree that that tip was professional 06:54:56 it's just an amateur tip 06:55:05 elliott: by the way you should join ##crawl just because you'd have the same four-letter prefix as one of the regulars 06:55:07 mmm 06:55:08 help 06:55:09 more low hp zerking 06:55:13 zerk earlier 06:55:13 ha 06:55:15 paid off AGAIN 06:55:19 coppro: OK, did you see the second picture? It is just a later picture of the same duel 06:55:25 yes 06:56:15 do i want jewel 06:56:18 go in 06:56:22 you probably can't afford anything though 06:56:33 let's see 06:56:37 hmmmmmm 06:56:37 Do you think the ten fire energies on Charmander is for MR.FUJI to fill up your draw pile, or to make a large attack later? Actually it is just a bluff. 06:56:37 i can afford a cursed -6 ring of dexterity 06:56:41 lol 06:57:01 do this 06:57:02 hit i 06:57:04 then hit $ 06:57:16 is that a good idea monqy 06:57:24 [$] selected -> shopping list 06:57:26 it means when you get 390 gold 06:57:27 is that a good idea monqy 06:57:29 uhhh 06:57:30 elliott: Well, if you need to reduce your dexterity it might be useful (I don't know why you need to do that); but you should probably remove the curse so that the ring can be removed when you want to put your dexterity score back to normal 06:57:31 crawl will be 'ding! you can afford this now' 06:57:39 do i want regneration 06:57:44 if you want it 06:57:47 do i want it 06:57:52 i don't know 06:57:55 help 06:57:58 ring of regen is one of the lamer regeneration sources 06:57:59 well 06:58:01 i forget if it's any good 06:58:01 you don't have to decide NOW 06:58:12 ive decided i dont trust patshu 06:58:21 you should do exactly the opposite of what I say 06:58:22 ready? 06:58:27 buy the -6 ring of dexterity and wear it 06:58:33 i 06:58:35 tab into those gnolls 06:58:35 really want to 06:58:37 etc 06:58:42 zerk at 1 hp 06:58:45 ohw ell 06:58:47 shoppe listed 06:58:54 fight that ogre 06:58:54 :D 06:58:56 this aint ogre, shrek 06:58:59 be-e-e-est idea 06:59:06 you are lucky 06:59:15 early game ogres basically murder ppl 06:59:19 yeah but 06:59:20 im zerk 06:59:22 why am i saying zerk 06:59:23 berk is 06:59:24 a much nicer word 06:59:38 don't do it 06:59:40 fucking 06:59:44 just kill it 06:59:47 lol 06:59:48 escape to jewerlyry shoppe 06:59:51 Patashu: i was slow exh 06:59:53 it's 06:59:54 one orc 06:59:57 im one baby 07:00:02 im also pois 07:00:04 watch as orc kiles you 07:00:09 jsust wasthch 07:00:16 would rtorgs hand help 07:00:27 it would counteract the pois at least 07:00:28 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:00:31 but uhh 07:00:32 coppro: It seem you know Pokemon Card better than the other people who have tried to answer the puzzles and analyze the pictures; nobody else could understand even if they know Pokemon Card 07:00:34 you might not need it 07:00:37 whatever it won't really hurt 07:00:44 better safe than dead 07:00:45 as they say 07:00:47 yes 07:00:48 coppro: Also, if *you* make a puzzle for Pokemon Card please tell me 07:00:55 you feel sick. x13 07:01:00 zzo38: I do enjoy puzzles, so if you have more, I would like to know 07:01:01 can just rest it off 07:01:02 x13 is sick smiley 07:01:08 sign 07:01:09 I don't think I will make any in the near future, but I will tell you if I do. 07:01:21 berking that adder? 07:01:25 i was yes 07:01:32 adderberk isn't such a agreat idea past the very first few levels 07:01:35 i bet its the same one 07:02:10 ok s 07:02:11 o 07:02:13 if i dont berk the adder 07:02:15 what do i adder 07:02:24 hite it 07:02:29 norma,ly 07:02:34 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adder_(electronics) 07:02:37 also have you found any more maces or flaisles 07:02:51 did you pickt ehm up 07:03:00 coppro: I will tell you if I have more puzzles. Currently I have none but I would like you or someone else to make some that I can look at; if it isn't you either then we can both try it 07:03:03 monqy: not that i know of 07:03:15 so, I've noticed 07:03:19 I almost always die early game in brogue 07:03:22 but I almost never die early game in crawl 07:03:24 elliott: could searhc for mace 07:03:25 I wonder if anyone out there is the opposite 07:03:28 uh oh 07:03:31 Patashu: i forget 07:03:32 stairs? 07:03:34 elliott: run away 07:03:37 don't take the stairs 07:03:37 don't run for the stairs 07:03:37 to stairs? 07:03:38 ok 07:03:39 back up into the choke 07:03:45 continue backing 07:03:47 go around the corner 07:03:52 this corner??? 07:03:54 sure 07:03:54 yes 07:03:55 any corner 07:04:01 don't go too far 07:04:03 kill that orc 07:04:04 now would be a good stop 07:04:06 yes 07:04:12 mace 07:04:16 yours is better 07:04:18 look for glowy maces 07:04:19 i searhced for mace 07:04:20 ok 07:04:23 ^F 07:04:25 and then mace 07:04:32 those are alll the amces 07:04:36 ``meh'' 07:04:41 they dont look too special 07:04:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `meh'': not found 07:04:45 is dwarven good 07:04:59 should i trya nd kill orcish wizerd 07:04:59 it's a bit more resistant to corrision but ehh whatever 07:05:06 if you don't charge into it 07:05:21 and make sure you're in melee range and it's not blinking everwhere, and yoi're 1vs1ing it 07:05:46 that was fast 07:05:58 coppro: I would also ask if you know about defensive strategies/tactics in chess? I find some of their tactics can be played in Pokemon Card too, actually 07:06:08 do i want blowgun 07:06:16 sure but don't pick it up now 07:06:20 whoah 07:06:21 go around the corner so the wizard cant see you 07:06:21 blowgun + curare is good 07:06:21 orc wizard 07:06:23 didnt even notice him 07:06:25 blowgun + anything else is usually a wasteof time 07:06:36 do i want nedles 07:06:41 needles can be good early game 07:06:52 might want to try the glowing hammer 07:06:54 if you want to 07:06:56 but not now 07:06:56 ok 07:07:00 you've got a corner to hide behind 07:07:00 i think ill fight orcish wizard in that corridor 07:07:03 oh 07:07:03 ok 07:07:05 or corridor 07:07:06 whichever 07:07:07 both work 07:07:14 should i berk 07:07:15 just askin 07:07:24 one thing about berking wiszards is they blink away 07:07:29 i guess not then 07:07:36 might want to trogshandok flee 07:07:43 trogs hand and flee? 07:07:46 uhhhh 07:07:49 do you have items 07:08:00 maybe curing first 07:08:10 didnt really help 07:08:18 trogshand and hide behind the corner 07:08:22 so the other wizard cant see you 07:08:35 ok remember where the wziard is 07:08:39 since its invisibeblel 07:08:41 can i pick up hammer 07:08:42 so i dont forget 07:08:45 wizard is still there 07:08:49 it will 07:08:50 hit you 07:08:53 if you pick up the hammer 07:08:55 ok im just 07:08:58 going to press . 07:09:13 its RIGHT HERE!!! 07:09:16 it upgraded its weapon 07:09:18 cognratuatlatltns 07:09:21 im going to 07:09:21 tab 07:09:25 oh 07:09:26 it wont work since you cant see it 07:09:28 im going to 07:09:28 l 07:09:37 im scare 07:09:42 if i zerk it 07:09:43 will it not blink 07:09:44 because 07:09:45 its invis 07:09:48 does it work like that 07:10:09 none of the spells sets with invis have blink 07:10:09 it can still blink 07:10:11 oh 07:10:12 really? 07:10:15 neat 07:10:15 ok 07:10:16 ill 07:10:17 berk then 07:10:27 (I haven't memorized spell sets for any enemies :( ) 07:10:31 yessss 07:10:32 (well for the ones that change them around) 07:10:34 Patashu: i queried it in ##crawl 07:10:37 lucky as shit 07:10:41 i socked it 07:10:44 quote sock unquote 07:10:53 theres 07:10:58 still another orc wizard tho 07:11:02 yeah uh 07:11:04 i think ill get that nice hammer then leg it to a stairs 07:11:04 run away 07:11:06 oh 07:11:07 ok 07:11:12 im never going to get that hammer am i 07:11:17 you'll get it eventually 07:11:26 round the corner 07:11:26 oh god 07:11:48 ok 07:11:49 btw the hammer will be slightly worse than your mace, unless it has a cool brand like flaming or freezing 07:11:53 i think ill go back 07:12:20 01:58:51: Well, for just this moment, think of any characters which are not yet mapped to any UniCode instructions, then type the character and your proposed instruction on this IRC channel. Of course, unlike a wiki, anything you type here does not fill up any server. 07:12:24 thanks nsqx 07:12:32 monqy!!! i need ur attention 07:12:35 i picked up hammer btw 07:12:36 because 07:12:39 no wiz gonna stop me get my hammer 07:12:42 did you weidl it 07:12:44 no 07:12:45 should i 07:12:48 sure 07:12:48 patashu said its slightly worse 07:12:59 (it might be branded) 07:13:01 how can i tell 07:13:02 (in which case it's better) 07:13:03 wield test 07:13:04 it doesnt branded 07:13:07 ok 07:13:10 im switch back and drop? 07:13:13 youd be hable to tell by now 07:13:17 sure 07:13:24 i forget which is better of hammer and mace 07:13:27 so 07:13:39 mace is sliiightly better 07:13:44 ok 07:13:49 I've now officially played more games of brogue than of crawl 07:13:50 0% win rate 07:13:51 :D 07:13:55 im gonna eat because uh 07:13:58 dont 07:13:59 don't wanna have to eat when in melee 07:14:00 well 07:14:01 dont 07:14:01 ok 07:14:05 run away 07:14:09 yikes 07:14:11 orc priests can smite you from behind enemies 07:14:12 so 07:14:19 yieks 07:14:21 kill it first 07:14:22 run? 07:14:24 uh 07:14:25 berk 07:14:25 theres orc priest 07:14:32 ha ha ha 07:14:36 hand? 07:14:39 cant 07:14:41 kill priest first, then the other orcs 07:14:43 its no worry 07:14:47 unless a wizard comes 07:14:56 now eat chunkes 07:14:59 whoops 07:15:01 i burnt it instead 07:15:14 somethings wrong with it 07:15:27 holy shit this is orc town 07:15:34 ou probably ate a roten chunk or soetmhgntn 07:15:48 nasuea just means you cant eat more chunks for the moment 07:15:50 hand zerk time 07:15:52 kill it dont backpedal 07:15:55 or uh 07:15:57 maybe just zerk 07:15:57 maybe hand, dont zerk 07:16:00 ok 07:16:06 ha 07:16:07 ha 07:16:08 ha 07:16:10 ha 07:16:11 ha 07:16:11 zerk the ghost 07:16:14 or 07:16:17 look at its logfile 07:16:21 how do i do that 07:16:27 ask sequell, politely 07:16:40 08:16 hi whats log file ofsoul 07:16:42 it isnt saying anythinge 07:16:43 !log soul defe d:4 07:16:56 08:16 24. soul, XL4 DEFE, T:1489: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/soul/morgue-soul-20120422-065107.txt 07:16:57 yaey 07:17:03 wow so much data 07:17:07 ok it doesnt look 07:17:09 too frightening 07:17:17 oh it doesn't haeve the scary splells 07:17:23 just whack it? 07:17:24 not too much worry then 07:17:33 unless it proves fhchanelgnging 07:17:40 ah 07:17:41 i think im zerk 07:17:45 sure whatever 07:17:49 kill the wizard while it's next to you 07:17:56 and if it blinks away go back to the ghost 07:19:15 awesome 07:19:23 is that thing actually useful for anything ever 07:19:27 uhhh 07:19:30 the scrole? no 07:19:57 fun 07:20:16 ok down we go 07:20:49 oh 07:20:56 ok 07:20:57 uhhhh 07:20:58 I keep dying 07:20:59 to vampire bats 07:21:01 probably charge them and berk once next to them 07:21:03 can i just berk them 07:21:03 yeah 07:21:19 orcish scale male??? 07:21:21 maybe?? 07:21:29 *scail male 07:21:52 i guess note 07:21:53 but Patashu keeps 07:21:55 armouring me 07:22:10 ctrl+f plate armour 07:22:11 if you really want to use it then use it 07:22:16 dont use plate :( 07:22:18 at least 07:22:19 why not 07:22:21 plate is great 07:22:21 not without more str 07:22:22 and 07:22:23 oh 07:22:25 wait 07:22:26 more armour skill maybe 07:22:27 and 07:22:30 preferably not on a kobold 07:22:32 is scale mail better than skin though im just asking 07:22:34 yeah he needs two more str points 07:22:35 im dumb little kobold 07:22:40 aint got much smarts in me 07:22:48 also 07:22:50 I like armour 07:22:54 your target is probably dragon armour or something 07:23:12 ill pick it up for late 07:23:12 r 07:23:15 but not wear it yet 07:23:19 how can i tell if its heavy 07:23:22 does that matter 07:23:41 you want to have as much str as the evasion penalty times 3 07:23:51 is it hevvy 07:23:56 to get the maximum benefit str can have on armour 07:24:00 beyond that you need armour skill 07:24:05 what do you mean hevye 07:24:11 is there a inventory 07:24:11 limit 07:24:12 thing 07:24:14 oh 07:24:14 or whatever 07:24:19 yeah 07:24:20 there's uh 07:24:21 or can i just carry it around "§uncaringley§" 07:24:28 a cap on how much burden you can have 07:24:35 and how many inventory letters you can have 07:24:36 but 07:24:38 does it matter should i worry about carrying around scale mail 07:24:39 dont worry about it right now 07:24:41 ok 07:24:47 if you need to drop it later you can 07:25:11 sigh 07:25:35 this guy is an asshole 07:25:48 crimson imps are annoying since they regenderate hp quickly and blink around 07:26:08 is chain mail better than 07:26:11 scale mail 07:26:15 i get so mixed up 07:26:17 oone comone way to deal with them is to "park" them on a previous level by leading them to a staircas, taking it with it adjacent, waiting for ot to blink away, and going down 07:26:17 with my males 07:26:22 i forgetttt 07:26:23 thats boringe 07:26:27 i prefer just waiting for it and berk 07:26:28 yeah 07:26:30 it is borieng 07:26:40 hmmm 07:26:42 these are new 07:26:43 also im really tired owwwow i shoudl slep before i give bad advice 07:26:47 im tired too 07:26:48 eyeballs will para you 07:26:50 like sleep deprived tired 07:26:51 so dont worry 07:26:54 jelly will corrode your stuff and kill you 07:26:58 oh 07:26:59 do not ifhgt stuff in front of an eyeball 07:27:07 what should i do to eyball 07:27:10 run aay ?? 07:27:13 just kill it 07:27:16 nothing's around naymroe 07:27:23 oyu mighty want a replacement for your mace sometime 07:27:24 since you 07:27:26 coroeded it 07:27:31 oops 07:27:36 can i sneak quietly 07:27:36 preferably: something better than a mace 07:27:39 so i dont wake up this basterd 07:27:50 who knwos,,, 07:28:13 wow scorpions are assholes 07:28:20 hmmm 07:28:24 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:28:25 healing again? 07:28:29 yes 07:28:30 er 07:28:30 curing 07:28:35 should i berk 07:28:38 yes 07:28:38 now that im 07:28:39 hp 07:28:41 unless you 07:28:49 have other better options but 07:28:51 whew 07:28:53 yeah it worked 07:29:46 Do you agree or disagree: No free man should be hanged twice for the same offence. 07:30:11 what about free ghosts 07:30:16 i disagree 07:30:20 oops 07:30:20 centr 07:30:23 are ghost ever free 07:30:29 elliott: close distance while it's asleep 07:30:40 elliott: if you have trouble you can berk it 07:30:43 but 07:30:46 berk before having trouble 07:30:49 yeah that was good 07:30:51 done 07:31:07 ive lurned from my scoprion mistakes 07:31:35 elliott, eating poison isn't the most possible thing 07:31:38 good god 07:31:41 why are there so many scorpions 07:31:50 !!!!!!!! 07:31:53 * Sgeo counted !s 07:31:59 what 07:32:28 elliott, me being stupid and referencing Homestuck 07:32:29 down to dungeon 6 i go 07:32:35 monqy: i feel like im becoming 07:32:37 monqy: less terrible 07:32:41 yse 07:32:43 Sgeo: isnt that... spiders 07:32:57 wh 07:32:58 elliott, but she is a Scorpio, so 07:33:04 ok giant frog 07:33:05 this will be 07:33:07 painless 07:33:12 scorpiones are pretty much spiders 07:33:54 ooh 07:33:55 how can i 07:33:57 call it erinforcements 07:33:59 oh 07:34:02 i guess i dont need to yet 07:34:14 it's with 'a' just like the other things 07:34:23 it's called brothers in arms 07:34:30 ok, this game of brogue I have some actually good items 07:34:38 sword of slowing, leather armour of mutuality, staff of lightning, staff of obstruction 07:34:39 also trog powers have power based on piety so at high piety they will be bettter 07:34:40 duddes duddes, the short music programs things was horribly cool. 07:34:41 remind me not to die this time 07:34:45 elliott, Trog isn't too boring for you? 07:34:54 is edmund scarye 07:34:59 Sgeo: hes friendly 07:35:01 not really 07:35:04 all he can do is hit you with his flail 07:35:13 berk 07:35:18 or 07:35:18 not 07:35:19 lmao 07:35:19 already palnning on it 07:35:24 uhhh who should i be hitting 07:35:28 yourself 07:35:29 doesn't matter you're dead 07:35:32 for letting this happen 07:35:34 no i can 07:35:35 survive 07:35:37 with my wits 07:35:45 which one should 07:35:48 i be hitting ;__; 07:35:54 also 07:35:56 elliott, hey, with #nethack help you survived shk wrath 07:35:58 i dont know ;_; i want to sleeep 07:35:59 actually nvm 07:36:06 ask ##crawl 07:36:10 am i keeping monqy awake oops 07:36:13 Patashu: who should i 07:36:14 hit 07:36:15 if i survive this 07:36:17 ill save 07:36:17 and 07:36:20 pick it up when monqy isnt tired 07:36:22 it doesn't matter because you're dead 07:36:22 but 07:36:23 edmund 07:36:31 hit obhth btobhthbh 07:36:32 wait 07:36:36 can i sent in reinforcements 07:36:38 no 07:36:39 or not because im berk 07:36:39 jk you cant hit both 07:36:39 you're zerk 07:36:41 not when youre berk 07:36:44 when you're zerk all you can do 07:36:45 is 07:36:46 hit things 07:36:46 sigh 07:36:46 and die 07:36:50 i did both 07:36:53 yes 07:36:53 ok im 07:36:54 gone 07:36:59 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:37:01 well 07:37:04 i did better than all the previous times 07:37:11 elliott, why Kobold and not Troll? 07:37:16 because i like kobolds 07:37:22 because of those kobold camp comics 07:38:24 kobolds don't exist 07:39:13 ok, this staff of lightning 07:39:16 is pretty good at killing things 07:40:12 more like the kill staff of killightning. 07:40:14 -!- cheater has joined. 07:40:44 wow 07:40:48 now I have two staffs of lightning 07:40:50 (staves?) 07:40:54 I should duct tape them together 07:42:04 can i watch you play somehow 07:42:11 brogue or crawl? 07:42:20 btourge 07:42:22 if thats what 07:42:23 youre playing 07:42:35 I could livestream it but it'd be hard to see because of how big it is 07:43:30 Patashu: is ##crawl scary 07:43:49 crawl only makes fun of people who think the game is based on luck 07:43:53 or who think they're good when they aren't 07:44:20 but i kind of think it is based on luck though 07:44:22 i mean 07:44:26 my losses are based on stupidity 07:44:27 obviously 07:44:42 but i can't deny there's something really arbitrary about it 07:44:43 yeah 07:44:43 so you'd be fine 07:47:50 am i 07:47:52 getting better 07:47:55 this is my third day of playing crawl bte 07:47:56 btw 07:47:59 or maybe fourth 07:48:01 nah third 07:48:29 This seems like a good idea, and I support it, but I suspect NSQX will manage to mess it up somehow. —Maharba 05:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC) 07:48:47 > '*' < '-' 07:48:48 True 07:48:53 > '-' < '.' 07:48:54 True 07:52:12 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:53:14 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:53:40 elliott, enjoying it? 07:53:49 enjoying whate 07:53:54 Crawl 07:54:00 i died 07:54:00 * Sgeo is going to play a bit, not sure as what 07:54:03 and monqy slept 07:54:11 play kobold beerekrkserker it ts the funetste 07:54:19 I want to play a spellcaster 07:54:25 And I play troll berserker a lot, so 07:54:58 more like splecaster 07:55:25 well 07:55:28 "Transmuters shift their form to fight in a beast's shape" 07:55:29 what kind of spellcasters have you won as so far 07:55:48 Patashu, I have never won Crawl 07:55:50 oh 07:55:51 well 07:55:53 transmuters are cool 07:55:58 you get blade hands and stab everything with them 07:56:00 What species? 07:56:09 not sure 07:56:11 Patashu, that sounds slightly boring 07:56:29 Sludge Elf or Spriggan? 07:56:43 demonspawn 07:56:46 is the best race 07:56:46 so do that 07:57:00 Welcome, Sgeo the Demonspawn Transmuter 07:57:06 hi 07:57:56 What is good about claws for hands? 07:58:02 Other than that's what trolls have 07:58:07 boosts uc damage a bit 07:58:15 ps 07:58:17 whats good well 07:58:18 i dont konw maybe 07:58:19 haveing 07:58:19 turn off everything except uc and transmutations 07:58:20 claweiosjdf 07:58:21 sfoijw 07:58:23 fopjm 07:58:25 dfopgdlf;hg 07:58:27 dfks; 07:58:29 ewlkfj 07:58:31 Patashu, what about fighting? 07:58:31 ergkj 07:58:39 kld 07:58:40 fighting doesn't offer a large benefit until xl16 07:58:43 zxczd 07:58:48 xl16 i dont think 07:58:50 theres that many xls 07:58:52 ive only got like 07:58:53 7 08:00:00 Patashu, not spellcasting? not dodging? 08:00:01 Really? 08:00:12 more like splintecrasting 08:00:14 rim doignjsut 08:00:14 -!- cheater has joined. 08:00:15 odi n 08:00:15 rg 08:00:16 fk 08:00:18 epokferg porg pojwefp oj 08:00:21 yes 08:00:22 vmklerpe gojwp ejfopj thjiowemc s/r[pgk xpojer 08:00:22 you only want to raise 08:00:24 what helps the most 08:00:27 lkejr qorj xigowpkrm lkmvb.,mjyew[p w[ kpc[kvmx.,mwe t;fl 08:00:27 and uc and transmutations help you the most 08:00:29 wj 08:00:30 wj wj wj 08:00:31 well actually 08:00:32 wjjj 08:00:34 wj wj wj wj wj 08:00:35 the first transmutation lets you use a weapon, right? 08:00:37 and statue form 08:00:42 wj 08:00:42 so I guess you can use a weapon instead of uc if you like 08:00:45 but still same answer 08:00:48 wj 08:00:54 wje 08:01:12 Automatic or manual? 08:01:16 wje 08:01:24 I don't know I never fucked with that 08:01:29 wje 08:02:21 are we discussing automatic vs manual fucking 08:02:24 wje 08:02:37 Patashu, I feel stupid 08:02:47 me 2 08:03:09 ...horns? 08:03:13 HOW IS THAT USEFUL AT ALL? 08:03:25 I have a pair of horns on my head. Lovely. 08:03:32 me 2 08:03:35 wje 08:03:36 horns makes your headbutts do more damage 08:03:37 so basically 08:03:41 you're getting the perfect mutations for a tm 08:03:43 wje 08:03:56 Patashu, that was just the spell, not mutation 08:04:03 oh 08:04:05 beastly appendage? 08:04:10 Yeah 08:04:18 you should probably find a weapon that isn't shit in that case 08:04:21 and also use that at the same time 08:04:49 -!- cheater has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 08:05:01 wje 08:05:05 also 08:05:08 holy FUCK I'm bad at brogue 08:05:45 just hink u never bad at brogue as im crawl 08:05:48 im nevr gonna heck ur aim 08:05:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: Max SendQ not quite exceeded). 08:06:03 ; ) 08:06:36 ;;;;;;;;;;;; ) 08:06:41 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ) 08:06:45 my eyesnever stop multipleying 08:06:54 ;;;;;;;; ) 08:06:55 oops 08:07:21 welcome to petrol 08:07:26 i know, i know, right ? 08:07:30 welcome to petrol. 08:07:57 Patashu, hand axe sufficient? 08:07:58 dude 08:08:04 you're gonna get kicked out of petrol with that attitude 08:08:09 wje 08:08:10 hand axe is fine 08:08:10 wje 08:08:11 wje 08:08:17 it's not GOOD 08:08:18 wje 08:08:19 but you're only on D:1 08:08:21 or w/er 08:08:21 wje 08:08:37 wje..... wje 08:08:44 What would Jesus Eat 08:08:46 wje 08:09:13 whats jaws evolving 08:09:15 -!- cheater has joined. 08:09:19 weak janitor excavation 08:09:36 wasps jungle elliott 08:09:39 wje 08:11:05 why jerks elate 08:11:54 rest in piece sgeo 08:11:58 killed by fighting ogre 08:12:02 I feel like I behaved stupidly 08:12:31 i cannot say a thing 08:12:43 fighting ogres is a good way to die 08:12:46 until like 08:12:47 later 08:12:50 when they're suddenly fodder 08:12:53 unless you can berk ber ke berk 08:12:56 wje wje wje wje wje 08:13:04 wow—jesus excretes 08:13:12 wizards, jolly & ebullient 08:13:21 wacky jew endemic 08:16:09 cool another death to vampire bats 08:16:12 I'm going to put brogue down 08:16:53 more like bro gue 08:17:58 RIP Sgoe 08:17:59 Sgeo 08:18:03 sgo 08:19:06 elliott, playing again 08:20:15 Uh 08:21:53 * Sgeo asks a question in ##crawl 08:24:23 Sgeo: did mym essages get droped 08:24:36 oh good 08:24:45 I didn't notice until you said 08:24:50 It does have the press _ thing 08:27:10 Not a conductor? 08:28:53 elliott, I'm scared 08:29:10 elliott, should I zerk? 08:29:14 always 08:29:57 Your shield and crystal plate armour prevent you from hitting the jelly. 08:30:00 Now I'm ticked 08:30:01 rest in peace , Sgeo. 08:30:01 >.> 08:30:02 killed by tick 08:30:28 elliott, feel free to call me an idiot 08:30:49 no way, idiot 08:30:52 I had so much stuff in inventory... although I was berserking 08:30:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSD_Program_Cubes oh boy can you say original research 08:32:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:33:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 08:33:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:34:43 Origona... originnul... original resurr... original rece... origami resea... no, I can't. 08:35:00 Me noother. 08:35:02 Menather. 08:35:11 fizzie: Can you add clog to the access list? 08:35:15 If it loses its connection, it'll lose its +o. 08:35:17 That's not very fair. 08:35:42 Hey, I finally got around to taking a photo of the errors on booting Arch. 08:35:43 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:35:58 http://imgur.com/a8UqA 08:36:08 -!- elliott has joined. 08:36:09 VERY INTERESTING THAT I LOST CONNECTION RIGHT AFTER POINTING OUT AN UNFAIRNESS 08:36:14 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 08:36:14 -!- elliott has joined. 08:36:15 http://imgur.com/a8UqA 08:36:16 VERY INTERESTING INDEED 08:36:27 Phantom_Hoover: thats just the stack trace 08:36:28 useless 08:36:30 need the actual error 08:36:45 elliott, and how do you suggest I get that? 08:36:55 ask your moth^W^Wfizzie 08:37:05 If you're short on gold for some particularly interesting commodity, you can place it onto your shopping list. The game will interrupt you when you have collected enough gold to finally purchase an item on that list. You can read the shopping list in the game with '$'. 08:37:07 Interesting 08:37:23 Oi, fizzie, fix my computer so I don't have to use Windows. 08:37:31 (It's a humanitarian thing!) 08:37:55 Phantom_Hoover: If it fits in the video memory scrollback buffer, shift-pageup a bit. 08:38:11 Though it might be too far gone after the error message for that. 08:38:13 You... can do that? 08:38:38 Well, you can normally. Perhaps not after a panic. 08:39:19 Alternatively, try a serial-console boot, that lets you log that stuff up. 08:39:31 wje 08:39:31 wje 08:39:31 wje 08:39:32 wje 08:39:34 wje 08:39:36 wje 08:39:39 fizzie: is clog on access list yet 08:39:43 Nnno. 08:39:53 what, jackals eat? 08:39:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:40:02 willingly joking ermins 08:40:07 wje je e 08:40:26 warped jenkins exquisitely 08:40:29 wje wje wje 08:41:26 ``wje'' 08:41:28 hall of the wje 08:41:30 king of the wje 08:41:31 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `wje'': not found 08:41:31 return of the wje 08:41:32 wje of the wje 08:42:20 `i'll always end up dying', he said, wje 08:42:22 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: i'll: not found 08:42:57 Sgeo: whres your next game 08:43:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:43:17 hi Phantom_Hoover welcome to australia 08:43:23 elliott, I'm reading the guide for some reason 08:43:23 we're dead & burnt here 08:43:26 Also should eat soon 08:43:33 Shift-pageup doesn't work. 08:43:36 —not that there's any accounting for taste— 08:43:44 like a squirrel 08:43:49 a sqrl 08:43:51 sqrt 08:43:52 What was that serial-console thing? 08:43:53 sqrt sqrt sqrt 08:43:54 wje wje wje wje 08:44:00 Phantom_Hoover: you'll need a serial cable 08:44:01 and shit 08:44:11 And serial ports in both computers. 08:44:27 OK, veto on that one. 08:44:52 wait 08:44:59 @ask monqy that german translation ISN'T faux german??? 08:45:00 Consider it noted. 08:45:03 @ask monqy like, it's real german? 08:45:03 Consider it noted. 08:45:16 wje 08:45:19 wje 08:45:21 wje wje wje wje wje 08:45:21 wje 08:45:21 wje 08:45:23 wje wje 08:45:25 wje 08:45:26 wje 08:45:28 wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:45:30 wje wje wje wje wje 08:45:30 wje wje wje 08:45:32 wje 08:45:34 A network console also exists, but your error might be slightly too early for that. 08:45:35 ooooooh wje! 08:45:41 w— 08:45:41 wje wje wje 08:45:42 —j 08:45:43 e— 08:45:47 jwe jwe 08:45:50 w————j——————e—————— 08:45:51 jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe jwe 08:45:53 —w—j—e 08:45:54 jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew 08:45:55 –w–j–e– 08:45:56 jeeeeeeeeew 08:45:59 “““““““““““““““ 08:46:02 ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ 08:46:05 ””””””””””” 08:46:06 wait jew is a word 08:46:07 ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’ 08:46:14 ^∫wje 08:46:15 wje wje wje wje wje 08:46:17 oklopol, no its not 08:46:17 ∆wje∆ 08:46:22 `w`jè 08:46:25 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: w`jè: not found 08:46:26 thats just part of the jewish conspiracy 08:46:28 πwjeœ 08:46:31 ≈wje≈ 08:46:34 ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ 08:46:35 wje 08:46:35 ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ 08:46:41 what's jones eating? 08:46:46 wje, 08:46:48 oviously 08:46:49 will jackals emenate? 08:46:53 oviously. 08:46:57 would john excrete 08:47:01 wje je e 08:47:06 ≤wje≥ 08:47:09 ˚wje˚ 08:47:16 ≠wje≠ 08:47:27 «wje» 08:48:21 # NOTE TO SELF: IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, FIX IT 08:48:23 —monqy 08:48:30 Apart from divine help, the most convenient way to do so is by reading a scroll of amnesia, which will let you pick a scroll to forget. 08:48:43 : function try_corpsey_chunky_thing() 08:48:44 Yes, please help me forget this scroll 08:49:07 @tell monqy was rly disappointed that this code is well laid-out and readable 08:49:08 Consider it noted. 08:49:15 @tell monqy please make it worse 08:49:15 Consider it noted. 08:50:47 you silly slug 08:50:48 you willy wlug 08:50:50 wje wje wje 08:50:52 wje wje wje 08:50:59 ¯wje¯ 08:51:03 ˘˘˘˘wje ˘ 08:51:08 ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ 08:51:14 ¡wje! 08:51:17 ∞ wje ∞ 08:51:23 ^rainbow wje 08:51:24 wje 08:51:26 ^rainbow wje wje wje 08:51:26 wje wje wje 08:51:31 ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:31 wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:34 ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:34 wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:35 ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:35 wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:36 ^rainbow wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:36 wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje wje 08:51:40 ————wje 08:51:51 wjang 08:51:52 wjar 08:51:53 wje 08:51:54 wje 08:51:55 wje wje wje 08:52:01 Hello, 08:59:12 Sgeo: play play play 08:59:53 I need to eat 08:59:57 ok 09:00:00 elliott, ok, I'll play a little with XOm 09:00:04 you dont 09:00:05 have to 09:00:07 eat instade 09:00:16 wjeg 09:00:31 what is wje 09:00:31 lol with Chaos Knight, none of the species are recommended 09:00:33 who is wje 09:00:38 So I guess Chaos Knight is never recommended 09:00:47 oklopol: nothing is wje 09:00:52 dudde 09:00:54 you can't do that 09:01:01 wje can 09:01:12 breathe the forging of a new era 09:01:13 wje wje wje 09:01:22 elliott, I am a HOCK 09:01:28 me too 09:01:40 elliott, you watching? 09:01:45 yes 09:02:48 Brits 09:04:17 is "force" used in english in the sense of forcing a new meme? i can't find this in the urbandictionary, but what else would you use for it. 09:04:28 sure 09:04:56 WHY IS IT NOT IN _THE_ URBANDICTIONARY THEN 09:05:06 it's almost as if that place sucks ass worms 09:09:12 While it is active, you can't eat unless you are starving or near starving (and you only get half nutrition then). 09:17:00 elliott, XOM 09:18:59 @time 09:19:00 Local time for elliott is 2012-04-22 09:18:59 +0000 09:19:05 elliott, stones. Such a great gift 09:19:14 i love sti edtrf 09:19:17 nes 09:19:21 wje 09:20:36 Probably a useless amulet, but whatever 09:24:59 elliott, did Xom just save my life? 09:25:05 ## 09:25:05 Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:05 Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:07 Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:09 Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:11 Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:13 _Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 09:25:15 wje 09:26:11 I have no idea if that was a waste 09:26:30 more like a wjeste 09:27:41 Fun 09:27:46 * Sgeo barfs on elliott 09:27:53 hi 09:28:04 I'm going to go eat IRL 09:29:16 -!- nortti has joined. 09:53:41 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:07:24 hey elliott 10:07:28 hi 10:07:33 so I just thought, if you're going to play a berzerker anyway 10:07:39 yeah 10:07:39 the point of being in light armour is so you can also cast spells, right 10:07:42 (in crawl anyway) 10:07:48 well sure 10:07:49 so if you worship trog I can't figure out what the point is 10:07:53 anyway the cool thing about armour is 10:07:57 (i heard crawl's magic is boring though) 10:07:59 guaranteed damage reduction 10:08:04 (crawl's magic is cool fuck da haters) 10:08:06 that's 10:08:09 kind of the point of armour yes 10:08:13 to protect you 10:08:46 GDR is actually slightly different from AC 10:08:55 it's based only on the base armour class of what you're wearing 10:09:39 14 * (base AC-2)^(1/2)% is your GDR 10:09:44 in plate armour that's a whopping 39.6% 10:09:50 and it always works 10:09:56 wait no monqy said 10:09:57 no plate 10:09:58 and 10:10:00 (unlike AC itself, which is just -1dAC) 10:10:05 i really don't like the kind of people monqy doesn't like 10:10:06 so 10:10:08 i can't become that 10:10:20 monqy is silly 10:10:25 you can wear plate as soon as you're in 18 str 10:10:32 the problem is finding a set, but until you find plate you can just use whatever you find 10:10:33 no, monqy is my guide 10:12:37 how can i be anything without monqy 10:14:10 -!- derdon has joined. 10:14:22 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 10:14:23 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 10:14:23 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 10:14:46 the other cool thing about GDR is 10:14:52 you don't have to put -anything- in the armour skill for it to kick in 10:14:57 it works basically for free 10:15:10 on the other hand 10:15:12 monqy will say hi at me 10:15:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:16:19 other things you can do: pick up and throw darts/spears/javelins at tough (melee) monsters while waiting for them to approach, pillar dance, fully explore each level before descending to the next 10:17:49 last one is fucking boring jesus 10:17:52 i tried that to start with 10:21:57 it does take a while, yes 10:22:03 but it improves your survivability A LOT 10:22:12 fuuuuck 10:22:13 it 10:22:16 and I find the later part of the game more fun than the earlier parts 10:22:16 have you even SEEN the levels 10:22:18 boring as shit 10:22:19 uh, yes 10:22:19 yes 10:22:21 that's what everyone says 10:22:24 that's why i try to get to them 10:22:30 well 10:22:35 you won't get to them if you keep dying 10:22:36 is the thing 10:22:57 i've been dying less each time! 10:23:09 fuck you man i'm gonna start a new game 10:23:13 and WIN 10:23:16 cool 10:23:18 I'll watch 10:24:05 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 10:24:39 im on 10:24:44 yes trog 10:24:46 im kill them all 10:26:00 wonder if that's worth getting 10:26:00 nah 10:26:23 short swords kind of blow 10:26:23 iirc 10:26:40 wear the gloves 10:26:46 wait 10:26:49 why are you in red poison 10:26:50 oh 10:26:53 kobold with a dagger of venom 10:27:03 cool 10:27:05 now you're berserk and dead 10:27:09 that's my 10:27:10 *me 10:27:16 well 10:27:18 i almost won 10:27:24 let's try that again 10:27:24 you were so close to the orb 10:27:26 yeah 10:27:31 i don't even know where the orb is 10:27:35 how many levels of dungeon are there before actual shit 10:28:06 27 levels of the dungeon, then 5 levels of zot 10:28:10 buuut you need 3 runes to get into zot 10:28:13 and there are 0 runes in the main dungeon 10:28:23 do you go to space to get them 10:28:30 something like that 10:28:36 except replace 'space' with 'snakes' 'the ocean' etc 10:28:39 'hell' 10:28:39 hmm 10:28:43 it's great fun 10:28:47 oh leather 10:28:51 try it 10:28:54 fiiine 10:29:11 nb 10:29:17 should i drop my aminal skin 10:29:22 or might it be useful later 10:29:48 bugger 10:30:04 awesome 10:30:14 less awesome 10:30:26 uhhh maybe i should switch back to animal skin 10:30:40 'curse' in crawl just means you can't take it off 10:30:40 so 10:30:45 pretty irrelevant right now 10:30:53 it's not like nethack where 10:31:05 cursed items turn into shitty versions 10:31:10 ha ha berk time 10:31:10 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 10:31:29 well that went better than expected 10:31:54 good god 10:31:59 it's a shaft party today 10:32:09 wow 10:32:12 are you on D:4 at xl 2 10:32:12 nice 10:32:15 shafts 10:32:44 kill the newt 10:32:51 unlike iguanas and geckos, which are incredibly dangerous 10:32:52 ahahahaha 10:32:53 newts are harmless 10:32:55 orc priest 10:32:57 oo nice 10:33:01 you could die in two smites 10:33:09 hmm 10:33:21 oh i can't berk 10:33:25 guess the choice is easy 10:33:52 hahahahahahha 10:33:53 lol 10:33:59 i am so dead 10:34:26 surprised i lasted that long 10:34:34 let's try that again 10:37:44 zap test the wand 10:38:01 as in 10:38:03 zap it at someone else 10:38:07 right 10:38:09 what's the key for that :P 10:38:09 oh 10:38:10 zap is v 10:38:13 thx 10:38:13 in crawl 10:38:19 -!- NSQX has joined. 10:38:19 (z is for zpells) 10:38:38 so d is enchant armour or recharging 10:38:39 btw 10:38:45 AWESOME 10:39:32 try on the ring 10:39:37 P 10:39:51 http://esolangs.org/wiki/--C-%3DC-C-- 10:39:52 zap test that wand already 10:40:06 oh do i have to equip it 10:40:07 no 10:40:08 V 10:40:13 oh capital V 10:40:28 well 10:40:31 that was not a desirable outcome 10:40:35 it's cool 10:40:36 you can own a gnoll 10:41:33 -!- NSQX has quit (Client Quit). 10:41:45 -!- NSQX has joined. 10:41:52 -!- NSQX has quit (Client Quit). 10:41:57 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:42:01 shrug 10:42:05 guess that's useless? 10:42:05 again 10:42:08 the enchantment isn't so important 10:42:10 it's the gdr 10:42:14 bah, fine 10:42:26 scrolll 10:42:28 s 10:42:30 -!- NSQX has joined. 10:42:32 ha 10:42:33 lol 10:42:36 and the other? 10:42:38 how bad is that? 10:42:47 i.e., do i desperately need a new mace 10:42:51 again 10:42:54 it just means you can't take it off 10:42:54 http://esolangs.org/wiki/--C-%3DC-C-- 10:43:03 NSQX: the message came through 10:43:12 Patashu: right, but wielding isn't wearing, so I wasn't sure 10:43:16 you should mentally replace 'curse' and 'cursed' with 'glue' and 'glued' 10:43:20 and that's what cursing is in crawl 10:43:54 i wonder why i automatically picked up a cheese 10:43:59 you can eat cheese 10:44:01 since it's not blacked out 10:44:09 i guess cheese is kind of meaty 10:44:13 woot 10:44:14 id a potion 10:44:22 way ahead of you 10:44:30 wear the other ring 10:44:31 HAI! KTHXBAI! 10:44:45 oh 10:44:46 you don't want that 10:44:47 take it off 10:44:51 T 10:44:52 or R 10:44:54 or something 10:44:55 yeah R 10:45:14 (you don't want rings of ice/fire since they make you vulnerable to the opposite element) 10:45:20 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 10:45:21 (they also boost spells of that element, but you're a caveman) 10:45:25 woooorms 10:45:55 LOL 10:45:58 holy crap 10:45:59 jesus 10:46:02 go up those stairs 10:46:15 HAHAHA 10:46:20 what the fuck 10:46:23 nobody can ever tell me crawl isn't cruel and arbitrary 10:46:24 smiting can do that much? 10:46:34 oh 10:46:35 it's 7-17 10:46:36 guess it can 10:46:43 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 10:46:57 i will admit, this is a very funny game 10:47:01 ok let's try that AGAIN 10:47:01 yes 10:47:03 that was pretty funny 10:47:08 it's like all the bad guys were having a meeting 10:47:11 and you stumbled in 10:47:50 run 10:47:52 or do that 10:47:53 sure 10:47:55 (luck) 10:48:01 i'm a kobold too 10:48:07 it'd probably have killed me while I was running away 10:48:26 when I say 'pillar dancing' do you know what that means 10:48:49 not really, though i recall the term existing 10:49:00 pillar dancing is where you exploit the property of being as fast or faster than your opponent 10:49:08 finding a closed circuit 10:49:12 and running around the circuit with them chasing you 10:49:14 to regenerate 10:49:26 yeah that falls well under "boring rubbish i can't be bothered with" 10:49:52 why do you even want advice then 10:49:57 well 10:49:58 if you're just playing it to see how horribly you die 10:50:01 no 10:50:06 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F36-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F35-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPB8B5F2A0-3C92-11d3-A3A9-4C7B08C10000 10:50:09 i just don't want to get into situations where i have to do that in the first place 10:50:20 that's kind of hard, though 10:50:25 yeah 10:50:26 but 10:50:26 since when you start you're very vulnerable and have no resources 10:50:32 so is winning in the first place :p 10:50:38 and yeah yeah i know i'd just rather take some risks earlier on 10:50:42 I've only played crawl ~30 times 10:50:44 and won 3 times 10:50:47 winning crawl is pretty easy 10:50:52 it means i'll have to restart more often, but it also means that i won't be bored to death 10:51:10 hey, what game are you talking about`? another nethack-like? 10:51:16 dungeon crawl 10:51:19 dungeon crawl stone soup 10:51:35 telnet crawl.develz.org port 345 10:51:39 thx 10:51:40 and watch elliott play 10:51:45 or play yourself !! 10:51:48 s/play/flail/ 10:53:04 are you ever going to pick up darts and throw them at things, btw 10:53:05 instead of waiting 10:53:11 darts blow but it's slightly better than waiting around 10:53:13 yeah ok 10:53:17 i haven't seen many darts around this time 10:53:24 yeah it's a bit random 10:53:26 autoexplore doesn't pick them up tho 10:53:28 so look out for them 10:53:44 fuck 10:53:46 there they were 10:53:55 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F35-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 10:53:59 there what were 10:54:14 darts 10:54:18 ctrl+f 10:54:19 dart 10:54:20 enter 10:54:28 oh, right 10:54:33 33 is enough 10:54:35 nethack doesn't have that kind of nonsense 10:54:35 quiver them 10:54:37 yeah 10:54:41 this is why crawl is the superior game 10:55:11 btw 10:55:14 might does not stack with berk 10:55:23 lame 10:55:25 well 10:55:27 berk GIVES might 10:55:29 as part of its package deal 10:55:37 you can always have more might 10:55:46 if you want more might S instead of D 10:55:48 imo 10:56:23 * NSQX attempts to freeze the conversations about anything else than esoteric programming languages on #esoteric 10:56:32 they're unfreezable 10:56:35 they're the backbone of this channel 10:56:46 darts 10:56:48 oh nvm 10:56:50 it cornered itself 10:56:55 wel 10:57:11 SHOOT Patashu 10:57:28 oo 10:57:29 buckler 10:57:31 get the buckler 10:57:41 kill them first yeah 10:57:54 wear it also 10:58:20 berk 10:58:21 yeah 10:58:27 to figure out what's in a big pile 10:58:29 stand over it and gg 10:58:36 rrrr 10:58:38 * Sgeo prefers ,, for some reason 10:58:46 I think because NetHak 10:58:48 try the flail 10:58:49 NetHack 10:58:59 Also, because Wulfram II 10:59:12 Wait, I forget what , did in Wulfram II 10:59:21 One of , and . was drop and the other was install 10:59:22 echo 10:59:23 wear the cloak too 10:59:24 -!- NSQX has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:59:24 Forget which was which 10:59:31 cloooak :( 10:59:44 cloak? cloak! clooooaaakk 11:00:06 oh 11:00:06 pray instead of butcher 11:00:08 you're really full 11:00:13 you can't eat all that shit 11:00:34 wiat, where is the claok 11:00:37 elliott, just press enter when the map comes up 11:00:37 ctrl+f cloak 11:00:38 a 11:00:38 enter 11:00:44 bam 11:00:44 oh, there 11:00:45 magic 11:01:02 you can take him 11:01:08 not a single HP down 11:01:09 bam 11:01:14 yeah ijyb is a pussy 11:01:47 is edmund a pussy 11:01:57 tip 11:01:59 his name is in red 11:02:09 I wouldn't fight him right now 11:02:13 that's the colour of nearly dead things tho just logicing for you 11:02:13 b-a-a-a-ack away 11:02:21 can you get to a staircase? 11:02:26 a downstairs, yes 11:02:29 or that upstairs, but it's one way 11:02:32 that's fine 11:02:33 take it 11:02:49 lol 11:02:51 ok 11:02:53 now he's going to follow you up 11:02:54 gj 11:03:01 dude 11:03:01 oh wow 11:03:03 wtf 11:03:05 he's not so bad 11:03:05 then why 11:03:06 what 11:03:08 well 11:03:08 ok 11:03:11 take his flail 11:03:18 and the ring mail? 11:03:24 uhh sure 11:03:29 wield the flail 11:03:30 be manly 11:03:36 also, that wasn't one way at all 11:03:37 oops 11:03:38 wtf are you talking about 11:03:46 hmm 11:03:48 how much does pain do again 11:03:55 i thought green was one way but APPARENTLY NOT 11:03:57 oh 11:03:59 pain won't do anything for you 11:04:02 but 11:04:07 it might have good ++s 11:04:10 so try it out for a while 11:04:19 (basically, pain does more damage the higher your necromancy skill is) 11:04:29 it seemed a bit weak there 11:04:32 (it's a brand designed for a certain build, which is weird but ok) 11:04:34 but i guess i am lower in the dungeon 11:04:46 use it until it reveals what its +s are 11:04:48 then try the protection flail 11:04:49 alright 11:05:02 sometimes id scrolls let you id more 11:05:08 uhhh 11:05:09 id a different scroll 11:05:11 at this point 11:05:11 alright 11:05:15 cool 11:05:15 awesome 11:05:16 blinking 11:05:19 is the best scroll in the game 11:05:20 btw 11:05:28 wait i have darts 11:05:29 how do you dart 11:05:31 f enter 11:05:38 neat 11:05:51 oh 11:05:53 swap to the flail of protection 11:05:58 ditch the flail of pain you'll never use it 11:06:07 is that why edmund was such a wuss 11:06:11 possibly 11:06:40 dart it 11:06:43 w/e 11:06:45 it'll come back 11:07:11 whoah 11:07:14 how did those get checked 11:07:36 when you get a new thing you can train the skill associated with it 11:07:40 (and it turns it on automatically) 11:07:42 ah 11:07:48 dart the ogre 11:07:55 i already shouted but ok 11:08:01 you should have darted it imo 11:08:06 aha 11:08:07 dart it 11:08:13 berk 11:08:20 or that sure 11:08:29 get your darts 11:08:37 idk why you aren't autopicking them up 11:08:45 i am there 11:08:49 Patashu, the ones he didn't autopickup weren''t his I think 11:08:56 maybe 11:09:08 cool 11:09:08 woah, I clicked something and I'm seeing a replay of elliot's entire game 11:09:15 oh, wand of fire is great 11:09:19 since it's a 'bolt' and not a 'puff' 11:09:20 it pierces 11:09:28 so you can use it to rape multiple enemies at once 11:09:30 hit priests at the back 11:09:31 etc 11:09:41 if you see something and you're like OMG 11:09:43 check your inventory first 11:09:57 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:10:26 -!- elliottasdf has joined. 11:10:54 I'll just repeat what I said 11:11:00 since it's a 'bolt' and not a 'puff' it pierces multiple enemies 11:11:15 cool 11:11:18 -!- elliottasdf has changed nick to elliott. 11:11:21 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 11:11:22 -!- elliott has joined. 11:11:25 stop 11:11:29 don't throw darts 11:11:31 do you know why? 11:11:33 when jellies eat 11:11:33 nope 11:11:34 -they gain hp- 11:11:35 oh 11:11:36 lovely 11:11:39 yeah 11:11:40 so 11:11:42 wield that mace 11:11:44 and bludgeon it to death 11:11:46 then throw it away 11:11:50 oh wow 11:11:57 hahahahahaha 11:12:01 100% luck 11:12:13 back to the flail 11:12:15 enchant weapon II it 11:12:22 -1 cloak 11:12:23 lovely 11:12:26 ditch the cloak 11:12:28 it's no good anymore 11:12:34 ive got 2 more 11:12:36 should i use them all? 11:12:41 sure 11:12:52 erm 11:13:04 what about your other scrolls 11:13:25 elliott, feel any desire to switch gods? 11:13:28 nope 11:13:34 if you mean mid game 11:13:37 DON'T abandon trog 11:13:45 he is frighteningly vengeful 11:13:46 Patashu, I was joking since elliott found an altar 11:13:49 oh 11:13:50 im just 11:13:50 good 11:13:52 avoiding that jelly 11:13:54 sure 11:14:06 wh 11:14:07 close the door 11:14:08 C 11:14:11 Patashu, didn't know Trog was vengeful though 11:14:16 now just wait 11:14:20 and then beat the centaur's face in 11:14:22 now 11:14:24 also berk 11:14:25 berk? 11:14:42 you killed all the things 11:14:42 gj 11:14:46 slurping noise? 11:14:59 jelly 11:15:04 get your wand out 11:15:05 ha-a 11:15:09 or wait 11:15:09 first 11:15:10 close the door 11:15:17 now back away 11:15:22 not like that 11:15:25 south sw 11:15:25 Patashu, are spellbooks useful with Trog, in the "nice way to place a trap for things that I can trigger" way? 11:15:30 Or is that more annoying than anything 11:15:32 sgeo: they're not useful ENOUGH 11:15:37 but it makes a conjure flame where you put it 11:15:41 (also, you can throw a book then ignite it) 11:15:45 is my wand really gonna be useful 11:15:49 yes 11:15:53 fuck 11:15:55 typo 11:15:55 oho 11:15:57 try the wand 11:16:08 again, aim at that furthest orc 11:16:22 now just bash his face in 11:16:29 he's smiting 11:16:33 ok wand him then 11:16:40 rofl 11:16:50 he is not dying today 11:16:51 rest 11:16:53 he died 11:16:57 yeah finally 11:16:58 or well 11:16:59 corpses 11:16:59 then rest 11:17:20 feed yourself 11:17:44 lol 11:17:49 read d 11:17:50 it's remove curse 11:17:57 oh neat 11:18:01 Why does cursing matter if it's a good weapon anyway? 11:18:01 see 11:18:09 sgeo: he can't butcher with a cursed mace in his hands 11:18:10 hmmm 11:18:10 since it's blunt 11:18:12 sigmund 11:18:13 oh 11:18:14 hey sigmund 11:18:16 go one ne 11:18:20 w/e 11:18:21 oh 11:18:21 hand 11:18:24 oh 11:18:25 w/e 11:18:26 just beat him up 11:18:32 ok 11:18:36 Gretell> elliott (L8 KoBe) killed Sigmund. (D:5) 11:18:37 congrats 11:18:41 \o/ 11:18:42 | 11:18:42 /| 11:18:43 is that hard or something 11:18:48 he is hard because 11:18:50 he knows confuse but 11:18:53 trogs hand will help you resist it but 11:18:57 he's dead now 11:19:04 beautiful sentence structure there 11:19:07 thanks 11:19:11 trog's hand gives you 'MR' 11:19:14 MR does NOT help you resist damage 11:19:19 what it does help you do is shrug off status effects 11:19:24 like paralysis and confusion 11:19:35 i guessed 11:20:02 gnoll fuckin shaman??? bullshit 11:20:03 back up 11:20:49 back up 11:20:52 or hmm 11:20:59 i'll just berk him in one go 11:21:11 sure 11:21:26 do i want the staff 11:21:29 no 11:21:31 you'll never use staves 11:21:55 btw how do i see how many turns in i am 11:22:21 Patashu, the ***... is piety? 11:23:38 @ping 11:23:38 pong 11:23:53 back 11:23:57 oh 11:24:00 to do that you have to edit your rc 11:24:12 i mean 11:24:14 just as a batch thing 11:24:16 not as a constant display 11:24:20 like a stats screen or w/e 11:24:22 show_gold_turns = true 11:24:22 show_game_turns = true 11:24:25 this is what you want to turn on 11:24:26 oh 11:24:28 uhh 11:24:32 it's one of the keys 11:24:32 meh 11:24:34 % 11:24:41 neat 11:24:42 no? 11:24:43 oh 11:24:44 it's in the top right 11:24:45 yeah 11:24:46 ok is this sabre worth anything 11:24:54 it's an artifact 11:24:56 but you don't use sords 11:24:59 meh 11:25:04 zap test the waned 11:25:12 too late 11:25:18 lol 11:25:19 zap test it on that 11:25:21 inept staircase mimic! 11:25:24 can i make that my pet 11:25:25 both of them 11:25:29 maybe... 11:25:33 do it again 11:25:45 rofl 11:25:45 bah 11:25:51 maybe find something with less MR 11:25:58 like that rat 11:26:12 oh motherfuck 11:26:13 teleportation is one of the best wands 11:26:13 since 11:26:17 you can zap yourself with it 11:26:18 ok 11:26:20 back up 11:26:21 to that corner 11:26:29 the imp won't hurt you 11:26:32 i know 11:26:33 the centaur can't hit you as long as the imp is there 11:26:35 ya 11:26:43 killdudes 11:26:45 yep 11:26:51 it'll blink... yep 11:26:55 berk time 11:27:02 anticlimatic 11:27:22 more wands 11:27:26 is that the same ghost 11:27:29 go one sw 11:27:39 wait one turn then go one ne 11:27:45 perfect 11:27:45 kill it 11:27:49 oops 11:27:52 lol 11:27:56 You're not going to get any treasures from it 11:28:04 zap test on the quokka 11:28:07 oops 11:28:08 or w/e 11:28:09 np 11:28:19 lol 11:28:20 nice 11:28:20 awesome 11:28:24 how long do i get to keep it 11:28:25 you know what enslavement is good on, right? 11:28:26 orcs 11:28:27 not long 11:28:31 oh well 11:28:40 try the other one on it 11:28:45 say yes 11:28:46 nice 11:28:52 not long at all, as it turns out 11:28:52 now id your shit 11:29:00 oh 11:29:05 you don't have much shit to id 11:29:06 actually 11:29:08 id your wand of teleportatoin 11:29:18 because teleportation is a useful escape mechanism 11:29:26 do you have recharging? 11:29:29 or something that might be recharging 11:29:32 try e on it 11:29:34 nope 11:29:37 e on what 11:29:40 e could be recharging 11:29:44 on the wand of teleportation 11:29:45 oh 11:29:50 ha 11:29:50 nice 11:30:15 try on the crude ring mail 11:30:16 Scrolls of random uselessness are the best 11:30:37 it's over there <-- 11:30:48 ooh 11:30:55 randart 11:30:58 yes 11:31:01 waht 11:31:10 Randomly generated artifact 11:31:12 ah 11:31:17 can i drop my naimal skin now 11:31:20 and this ring mail 11:31:20 sure 11:31:22 yup 11:31:24 actually 11:31:24 meh 11:31:26 i'm unencumbered 11:31:27 lol 11:31:27 it can wait 11:31:28 Basically: Random name and stats 11:31:32 I think 11:31:37 yes 11:31:42 the game just rolls some dice and says 'ok have this' 11:31:51 uh oh 11:32:02 it fled 11:32:03 don't worry 11:32:13 go pick up that scroll 11:32:18 (autopickup is still off) 11:32:22 oh 11:32:26 ctrl+a 11:32:33 Does elliott know what blinking does? 11:32:51 re-activate autopickup 11:32:53 with ctrl+a 11:32:55 dude 11:32:56 i already did 11:32:59 oh ok 11:33:01 missed it then 11:33:15 well? 11:33:16 get the scroll 11:33:17 lol 11:33:19 dude 11:33:21 dealing with this guy 11:33:22 and exh 11:34:12 jesus christ 11:34:13 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:34:15 fucking party in here 11:34:17 zap tele at yourself 11:34:19 oh nvm 11:34:19 you sped up 11:34:29 nice 11:34:31 hmm 11:34:41 which one do you think 11:34:46 D I guess 11:35:00 There's a which stat thing in LearnDB which just says Int 11:35:09 But I'd think that doesn't apply to non-spellcasters 11:35:22 it still sort of applies 11:35:57 Read the scroll of random uselessness! 11:35:59 id your new potion(s) too 11:35:59 >.> 11:36:02 lol 11:36:54 what 11:36:57 Shop 11:36:57 you're not going to go into the sewers? 11:36:59 I can't believe you 11:37:01 nope 11:37:03 i was just looking at it 11:37:03 oh 11:37:04 should i 11:37:05 ok 11:37:10 sure try it 11:37:15 hmm 11:37:16 id the wand of fire 11:37:27 how dangerous are the sewers 11:37:31 not really 11:37:35 Oh, that's not a shop? 11:37:35 it's like 11:37:37 newbie's first dungeon 11:37:39 (no) 11:37:45 ok the thing to know about the sewers is 11:37:47 if you're standing in water 11:37:48 don't fight shit 11:38:04 Eating food in the sewers. Not at all gross. 11:38:08 he's a kobold 11:38:10 he's built for this 11:38:14 ...what are you playing 11:38:17 crawl 11:38:18 crawl 11:38:22 badly 11:38:23 telnet crawl.develz.org port 345 11:38:52 its really hard to distinguish the two types of water here 11:40:04 christ 11:40:05 haha 11:40:07 how did someone die in the sewers 11:40:09 wait 11:40:11 what kind of ghost is it 11:40:13 x over to it and v 11:40:22 aah 11:40:23 that's how he died 11:40:29 well 11:40:31 you have wands for a reason 11:40:32 zap them 11:40:41 Patashu, what's how he died? 11:40:49 he worshipped xom 11:40:53 so he probably died xommily 11:40:54 lol 11:40:56 :D 11:40:57 since the sewers are yawnsville 11:40:59 cause of death: xom 11:41:06 "Articles lacking sources from December 2009" 11:41:12 can i just melee him now 11:41:16 uh sure 11:41:16 wikipedia categories... 11:42:02 go east 11:42:04 you can reach it 11:42:09 see the path? 11:42:09 yeah 11:42:13 is it supposed to be really hard to see 11:42:15 the difference between the two here 11:42:16 no 11:42:17 is it? 11:42:19 yep 11:42:21 can barely distinguish them 11:42:46 kill the frog 11:42:49 frogs are evil in crawl 11:42:59 new wand new wand 11:43:02 is that it? 11:43:06 the blinking scroll alone 11:43:08 whoops 11:43:09 what happened 11:43:10 made coming to the sewers worth it 11:43:10 imo 11:43:16 i feel less protected 11:43:22 wield your flail again 11:43:23 i mistyped i think 11:43:24 oh 11:43:25 yes 11:43:28 that happens to me too 11:43:55 btw once you have ****** piety 11:43:57 trog starts giving you shit 11:43:57 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 11:44:15 lol 11:44:16 hmmm 11:44:20 go up the stairs 11:44:23 an orc, an orc priest, an orc wizard and a centaur work into a bar 11:44:28 take a different stairs 11:44:47 i think i could have taken those on but ok 11:44:52 no point risking it 11:45:00 sure unless you want excitement 11:45:04 wait 11:45:05 cap and boots 11:45:08 = shit you can wear 11:45:11 also get out of that centaur's los 11:45:14 killit 11:45:19 no you just want to melee it 11:45:24 it's its ranged attack you're worried about 11:45:34 just kill them 11:45:44 easier said 11:45:47 stop 11:45:48 quaff curing 11:45:55 yeah i gathered that much 11:45:55 resume 11:46:02 kill the wizard 11:46:18 turn off evo 11:46:19 and rest 11:46:25 evo? 11:46:28 the skill 11:46:44 wait 11:46:47 don't you want 11:46:48 the cap and boots 11:47:16 oooorcs 11:48:00 I see lots of corpses to pray with 11:48:12 -!- cheater has joined. 11:48:19 don't do the mines 11:48:19 ooh 11:48:21 oh 11:48:22 unless you LOVE orc priests 11:48:25 well 11:48:28 no 11:48:28 they're kinda fun actually 11:48:30 come back later though 11:48:31 ok fine 11:48:32 there are shops in the orcish mines 11:48:34 but also orcs 11:48:36 (which is the bad part) 11:48:42 ps - total ripoff of nethack gnomish mines 11:48:50 hmm 11:48:51 yeah it pretty much is 11:48:52 also 11:49:02 orc:4 has a chance of things like stone giants, ettins and orc warlords 11:49:04 (and saint roka) 11:49:08 it's secrety actually really dangerous! 11:49:12 it's a newbie trap basically 11:50:06 woooorms 11:51:09 hate that asshole 11:52:04 ok stop and think 11:52:17 stop 11:52:22 what's in your inventory 11:52:38 ok 11:52:39 step 0 11:52:43 don't get into that situation in the first place 11:52:43 step 1 11:52:45 quaff heal wounds 11:52:53 step 2 11:52:54 trog's hand 11:53:07 step 3 11:53:09 yay 11:53:12 btw 11:53:14 don't quaff curing for hp 11:53:17 unless you're SUPER desperate 11:53:19 ok 11:53:20 it's for curing status effects 11:53:30 past the early game it won't heal more than even a single round of melee 11:53:58 F I N A L L Y 11:54:19 ooo 11:54:21 ok 11:54:22 don't melee this guy 11:54:24 a c 11:54:29 again 11:54:34 let your bear kill it 11:54:39 ok 11:54:40 i 11:54:41 ok 11:54:45 crazy yiuf has a guaranteed quarterstaff of chaos 11:54:47 which means 11:54:51 random chance of chain paralysis until you die 11:54:54 it's never worth risking 11:54:56 well 11:54:57 now i have it 11:54:58 oh wait 11:54:59 i'll never use em 11:55:00 ill drop it 11:55:10 uh 11:55:13 should i zap test wands on U 11:55:14 do you want his cloak? 11:55:16 no 11:55:18 yeah ok 11:55:19 he might go enemy 11:55:22 and berserk your pansy ass 11:55:28 oops 11:55:30 np 11:55:31 it's +0 11:55:45 lol 11:55:46 ha ha ha 11:55:49 zerk it 11:56:04 bear vault 11:56:07 features: -bears -honey 11:56:13 good vault 11:56:19 FFFFF 11:56:31 btw 11:56:36 chaos brand[1/9]: Imitates other brands, or can heal, polymorph, berserk, haste, invisify, petrify, paralyse, torment, cause miscasts and probably do a lot more to enemies. Added in 0.5, only gifted by Xom, Xom's vault guards, found on Pan lords, or on the uniques Crazy Yiuf (always) or Psyche (sometimes). 11:56:39 that's why it's not worth using either 11:56:47 you can't use it to fight hard enemies because you'll randomly berserk them 11:56:53 which makes them nigh unstoppable juggernauts 11:56:58 basically picture when you berserk 11:57:00 -except it doesn't run out- 11:57:41 do you know the trick for goliath beetles 11:57:43 stop 11:57:43 nope 11:57:45 take a step back 11:57:49 oh right 11:57:50 that's not a step back 11:57:50 the boring trick 11:57:53 take an actual step back 11:57:58 that was an actual stpe 11:57:59 . until it's next to you 11:57:59 step 11:57:59 hit it once 11:58:01 go back 11:58:02 and repeat 11:58:11 if it hits you it might kill you at your hp 11:58:32 ehhhh 11:58:36 it's boring sure 11:58:37 but it beats dying 11:58:41 is it still going to follow me in a straight line 11:58:47 it does 1d30 damage 11:59:06 bit of a problem here 11:59:10 nope 11:59:12 you have a nice big pillar 11:59:13 to dance around 11:59:16 now it's fleeing 11:59:24 run up to it 11:59:28 it won't fight back unless it gets cornered 12:00:51 quasits are chumps 12:01:05 phantoms are dumb 12:01:07 try fighting it 12:01:08 you'll see why 12:02:06 Night 12:02:09 @time 12:02:09 Local time for Sgeo is Sun Apr 22 08:02:09 12:02:11 Patashu: sick of this shield and ring mail thing 12:02:13 Sgeo: day 12:02:17 ok 12:02:19 turn on armour and shield 12:03:01 eh? 12:03:08 the skills 12:03:09 turn them on 12:03:11 oh 12:03:18 mmm also 12:03:19 turn fighting on 12:03:25 ok 12:03:53 oh 12:03:54 joseph 12:03:55 get behind cover 12:03:57 se e 12:04:00 and wait for him 12:04:18 wait'd 12:04:29 that wasn't the best place to hide waiting for him but ok 12:04:30 should i zap test him 12:04:34 nah 12:04:35 run up to him 12:04:36 awww 12:04:45 :( 12:04:50 done 12:04:50 zerk 12:05:00 joseph is like a centaur 12:05:03 that doesn't have a horse's body 12:05:07 in terms of dealing with him 12:05:10 also 12:05:11 butcher some shit 12:05:13 already 12:05:14 yeah 12:05:15 that's what i'm doing 12:05:18 by killing these guys 12:05:23 sure ok 12:05:31 haha 12:05:32 fuck 12:05:34 it's ok 12:05:35 they're orcs 12:05:37 except for the non orcs 12:05:46 at a certain point in the game 12:05:49 orcs lose the ability to hit you 12:05:59 it's pretty incredibly 12:06:06 (it's also 100% predicted by your AC, EV and SH scores!) 12:06:07 lol 12:06:09 (and how fast you're hitting) 12:06:16 (e.g. if you're at min delay they're only hitting about half as often) 12:06:23 (so it looks like your defenses are waay better but really it's you that's in slow motion 12:06:36 by the way 12:06:41 oh hey a jelly 12:06:44 swap to your other mace again 12:06:47 swaaaap 12:07:03 swap back 12:07:09 i know 12:07:09 btw 12:07:13 want to know what the pro way of dealing with jellies is 12:07:15 (besides casting spells) 12:07:17 stones 12:07:19 they can't eat stone 12:07:20 lame 12:07:26 wacking with something you don't care about is better 12:08:11 is the Lair anything good 12:08:16 the lair is awesome 12:08:20 in the death sense? 12:08:22 except for a few things 12:08:25 go to the lair 12:08:32 ok, lemme clear this level first 12:08:35 sure 12:08:39 the things to watch out for in the lair are 12:08:40 blink frogs 12:08:42 electric eels 12:08:43 and hydras 12:08:44 well 12:08:45 and death yaks 12:08:58 nice 12:09:03 woot 12:09:14 but the lair is easier than the main dungeon because 12:09:17 no spellcasters hurling shit at you 12:10:34 green rats are rats 12:10:35 but green 12:10:44 understandable 12:10:45 also there are a lot of them 12:10:50 i would be green if i was a green rat too 12:11:20 komodo dragons 12:11:22 hit kind of hard 12:11:23 btw 12:11:35 not as hard as berk 12:11:41 yes 12:11:42 but it made you sick 12:11:46 while you're sick you can't regen 12:11:54 LOL 12:11:57 zerk that plant good 12:11:59 worth it 12:12:25 crocodiles are easy 12:12:28 it's ALLIGATORS that are tough 12:12:32 (and you don't meet those until the swamp) 12:13:04 id a potion 12:13:53 btw a pro as hell zerk strategy is 12:13:57 back up about a room's length 12:13:58 THEN zerk 12:14:01 that way in the post zerk rest period 12:14:04 you're less likely to be ambushed 12:14:08 (like what happened just then) 12:14:42 a water moccasin AND a plant??? 12:14:45 this is close 12:15:33 easy 12:15:35 maim it 12:15:58 go down, right 12:15:59 ? 12:16:00 yeah 12:16:02 more lair 12:17:08 cool, >10k turns 12:18:35 yaks are nasty 12:18:42 if you guzzle cure wounds like that 12:18:48 yeah i know 12:18:48 you won't have any left for when you REALLY need it 12:18:52 well 12:18:55 i was pretty close to death there 12:18:59 there were a hella yaks 12:19:06 i still have 2 for now 12:19:08 I would have brothers in armsed 12:19:09 probably 12:19:13 oh, I forgot about that :x 12:19:19 you can swap places with your pet 12:19:21 and have it killdudes 12:19:25 it's sweet 12:19:33 especially when you get a good roll and he sends a berzerk giant 12:20:03 are you sure i can't just berk this 12:20:10 this is safer 12:20:36 oh wait 12:20:37 zap tele at yourself 12:20:45 now run 12:20:48 ok 12:20:49 lol 12:20:53 i feel like such a coward 12:20:56 np 12:20:57 beats dying 12:21:17 trog's hand 12:21:17 yow 12:21:26 thanks 12:21:29 k 12:21:30 resume 12:21:43 moce ise pf the chple [pomt 12:21:46 whoops 12:21:48 nice use of the cvhoke point 12:21:49 I said 12:21:55 lol 12:21:58 oh dear 12:22:00 how 12:22:02 these are 12:22:03 weak as shit 12:22:07 spiny frogs are tough 12:22:13 ehh 12:22:15 they have spines 12:22:16 guess what i'm gonna quaff 12:22:20 np 12:22:21 then hand 12:22:30 back up once 12:22:31 then brothers in arms! 12:22:37 (kididn') 12:22:38 *kdiddn 12:22:45 ouch 12:22:46 whee 12:22:50 quaff curing 12:22:56 yeah im 12:22:58 actually going to brothers in arms 12:23:04 ifi can remember how 12:23:07 ac 12:23:21 rargh 12:24:05 try the amulet 12:24:22 oh 12:24:26 on any other character that would be a good amulet 12:24:30 but you p. much have gourmand by being a kobold 12:24:35 take it off? 12:24:38 keep it on 12:24:39 it beats no amulet 12:24:51 "The giant frog hits the plant." 12:25:17 is that the yak that fled earlier? 12:25:19 cuz it's alone 12:25:20 maybe 12:25:27 yep 12:25:48 why 12:25:49 what! 12:25:51 it's a free kill 12:25:51 it's fucking lightning 12:25:52 fine 12:26:01 just find a pillar 12:26:03 and circle it indefinitely 12:26:29 why do you go in a straight line like that 12:26:30 circle a pillar 12:26:35 going diagonal is free 12:26:40 srs 12:26:56 why 12:26:58 you need to think 12:26:59 more diagonally 12:27:01 no convenient pillars 12:27:04 what 12:27:06 any of those pillars work fine 12:27:12 oh so there are pillars here 12:27:12 ok 12:27:16 a pilalr is just 12:27:17 any block of walls 12:27:19 that you can circle around 12:27:20 i know 12:27:22 yeah 12:27:25 what you do is 12:27:28 back yourself right into a wall 12:27:31 where what you should do is 12:27:35 go diagonally 12:27:58 (it's under the plant) 12:27:58 meh 12:28:00 oh 12:28:06 meh 12:28:15 btw, do something for me 12:28:16 ctrl+f mace 12:28:24 hmmm 12:28:29 ah nope 12:28:30 ok 12:28:31 ctrl+f armour 12:28:44 I see a chain mail 12:28:49 there was yes 12:28:49 that's better than scale but worse than splint 12:29:20 your ring mail artifact isn't THAT good 12:29:25 I'd upgrade to chain or better when you feel like it 12:29:29 also, figure out what that ring is 12:29:32 (after the frog dies) 12:29:32 i'm fine with it for now but OK 12:29:48 deathly cold 12:29:56 id it 12:30:08 meh 12:30:08 ok 12:30:10 you can leave that on then 12:30:13 a potion of magic 12:30:14 that's 12:30:16 the vaguest hting ever 12:30:19 it refils your mp 12:30:20 all potions 12:30:20 are magc 12:30:21 magic 12:30:30 worst scroll 12:30:34 likew ho would write that scroll 12:30:43 stop 12:30:47 giant slugs are as slow as goliath bettles 12:30:47 FYI 12:30:51 oh, ok 12:30:56 lol 12:30:57 so are 12:30:58 agate snails 12:31:00 and elephant slugs 12:31:00 also 12:31:01 rats! 12:31:12 just kill them 12:31:15 rofl 12:31:29 5 * piety 12:31:30 almost there 12:31:49 nice use of the choke point 12:31:58 when you reach ****** piety under trog he will do one of two thingd 12:32:05 1) gift you a godlike weapon you can use until the end of the gae 12:32:10 2) give you some piece of crap you don't care about 12:32:12 he's nice like that 12:32:17 awesome 12:32:17 amulet 12:32:20 wh 12:32:26 oh 12:32:34 a deudly centipede was guarding it 12:32:42 you need to pick it up too 12:32:47 it's the " 12:32:48 hint 12:32:59 id it 12:33:19 do I need to tell you what resist corrosion does? 12:33:27 resists corrosion 12:34:02 hand time, i think? 12:34:07 wait 12:34:09 show me what hp it's at? 12:34:12 go back 12:34:15 cant 12:34:15 web 12:34:16 ok, it's probably not going to die 12:34:17 I think 12:34:19 zap tele at yourself 12:34:27 quaff curing 12:34:30 oh, no curing 12:34:34 heal wounds, then 12:34:37 (and kick yourself for running out) 12:34:47 yeah hand too 12:34:57 ok 12:34:58 don't go there 12:35:00 christ almighty 12:35:11 wanna see a magic trick 12:35:13 maybe 12:35:14 go next to that book 12:35:22 next to it 12:35:25 a ? 12:35:31 f 12:35:39 amazing 12:35:40 that's not really 12:35:42 magic so much as 12:35:43 fire 12:35:46 yes 12:35:49 you just dropped a match on it 12:36:01 choke point 12:36:03 lol 12:36:07 btw blink frogs like to 12:36:08 blink 12:36:10 and kill you 12:36:14 like so 12:36:48 god dammit 12:36:58 how can frogs be so deadly 12:37:02 *blink frogs 12:37:27 blink frogs are frogs 12:37:33 they're blink GIANT frogs 12:37:34 so they like 12:37:36 hop on you and crush you 12:37:36 idk 12:37:38 but they're deudly 12:37:53 the worst part of roguelikes is that lull after you die when you really don't want to go back to early-game stuff 12:38:02 the good part about it is 12:38:06 you'll probably be a looot better at the early game now 12:38:11 yeah :P 12:39:10 hmm 12:39:14 maybe i'll play again while i still remember how 12:40:01 yeah ok 12:40:10 im on 12:40:23 everything except m&f turned off? 12:40:37 i keep forgetting that 12:40:57 why do you do that 12:41:00 the way you run from enemies 12:41:04 is appaling 12:41:09 its 12:41:12 uh 12:41:13 panicky 12:41:17 do you know why it's bad 12:41:19 or should I explain why 12:41:23 probably but go on 12:41:26 ok 12:41:33 the first thing you did wrong is run into a part of the map you hadn't explored yet 12:41:40 (hint: these are more likely to contain enemies that will stop you from running away 12:41:46 the second thing you did is, when you reached that intersection 12:41:51 you went into the middle of it instead of off at an angle 12:41:51 by doing so 12:42:01 you make it impossible to change direction without the enemy getting a hit off of you 12:42:07 yeah i knew both of those 12:42:11 in general, you don't use diagonal movement over orthogonal movement as often as you could 12:42:20 i forgot dungeon 1 could have actually scary stuff 12:42:22 and yeah i know 12:42:25 i'm bad at diagonals 12:42:34 get better 12:42:35 welcome to crawl 12:42:36 wow 12:42:45 i gave up on that game as soon as i entered low hitpoints 12:42:55 eh, no reason to 12:43:00 you can pillar dance away from a hobgoblin indefinitely 12:43:03 (if you don't do... that instead) 12:43:05 (which is not pillar dancing) 12:44:10 yeah, see 12:44:11 right tyhere 12:44:15 you waste a turn whenever you don't cut a corner 12:44:26 yeah i know 12:44:32 it's something i know i'm terrible at, diagonal movement 12:44:36 become a better player 12:44:39 yesss 12:44:41 cut that corner 12:44:41 i'm trying 12:44:41 like a boss 12:44:42 by playing 12:45:23 why run from that ooze? 12:45:25 oozes aren't corrosive 12:45:27 oh 12:46:01 are you familiar with the concept of luring? 12:46:28 uhh is it something other than the obvious 12:46:42 if you see a tough monster that makes you really worried, you might opt to back off a long distance with it following you 12:46:44 into known territory 12:46:49 so you know with almost certainty you'll only have to fight it 12:46:54 right 12:46:55 instead of charging at it and discovering it has lots of friends waiting with it 12:46:59 i mean 12:47:02 i do know these things 12:47:04 obviously it's a pick and choose kind of strategy 12:47:08 i just sometimes don't follow them because they'd be tedious 12:47:23 you have a very low tolerance for tedium, it seems 12:47:27 no shit 12:48:11 LOL 12:48:15 omg 12:48:17 it's working 12:48:18 hahahaha 12:48:57 you could just walk around it 12:48:58 you know 12:49:00 oh 12:49:44 good god 12:50:22 that is not a chokepoint 12:50:24 thanks 12:50:27 don't die 12:50:32 thanks 12:50:37 lol 12:50:38 sorry 12:50:46 aaaand here we go again 12:50:52 i mean let's put it this way 12:50:57 i'm already better at crawl than i am at nethack 12:51:09 that says more about my nethack performance than my crawl performance 12:51:14 I almost won nethack once 12:51:17 except I was actually bad at nethack 12:51:18 so I like 12:51:21 started the invocation but forgot the candles 12:51:23 or something like that 12:51:25 and died to rodney 12:51:31 anyway it was a fluke and I should never have gotten that far 12:52:40 skills? 12:52:45 yeah 12:52:49 been like that the whole time 12:52:51 cough 12:53:03 wouldn't forget something that important! 12:53:07 :O) 12:54:33 sigh 12:54:39 zerk, then 12:54:51 is a bunch of hobgoblins called a foolish consistency 12:54:53 like a murder of crows 12:54:57 maybe 12:55:00 I like that actually 12:55:27 quaff it 12:55:29 you know you want to 12:55:36 what do those ones even mean 12:55:38 A 12:55:42 oh wow 12:55:45 you won the mutation lottery 12:55:47 oh man 12:55:48 poison resistance 12:55:55 can't complain 12:56:00 the -1 str doesn't even matter 12:56:05 notice 12:56:08 you can now eat green corpses 12:56:11 oh 12:56:12 awesome 12:56:28 woooorms 12:56:43 wtf 12:56:45 stop that 12:56:49 :/ 12:56:53 the dart trap won't kill you btw 12:56:54 the worm will however 12:57:02 stop 12:57:05 going into the elbows of corners 12:57:05 i did 12:57:08 ok 12:57:19 let's see 12:57:22 how much damage can a worm do tops 12:57:26 i can just teleport 12:57:27 12 12:57:30 nah 12:57:31 you're faster than it 12:57:36 just take 12:57:37 the stairs 12:57:52 cool 12:58:00 by the way 12:58:03 worms are goliath beetle speed 12:58:09 though with your weapon's delay 12:58:10 i hate everything at that speed 12:58:13 you might not be able to hack and back them properly yet 12:58:15 (yeah) 12:58:24 mmm 12:58:26 tasty kobold 12:58:32 zin hates cannibalism 12:58:35 so it's a good thing you don't worship zin 12:59:20 can i watch using one of the clients? can't get it done with telnet (there are 2 options: (R)egister and (Q)uit ..) i've registered but after that nothing happened 12:59:26 what it 12:59:32 when you telnet in 12:59:33 burst into flames of its own accord 12:59:36 it should give you the option to (W)atch 12:59:40 yes, it's trog vault 12:59:42 hm.. 12:59:52 hagb4rd: crawl.develz.org 345? 12:59:54 sure you got that right? :P 12:59:56 yep 12:59:57 then press W as soon as you connect 13:00:47 okay..somehow the line was not displayed correctly..but 'w' works fine 13:00:48 fucking 13:00:49 vogon 13:00:50 poets 13:00:56 hagb4rd: make sure your terminal is 80x24 13:00:59 ok 13:01:04 you're poison resistant, right? 13:01:06 yep 13:01:10 can i just berk it 13:01:11 so meph won't confuse you (if he knows it) 13:01:11 just run up and murder his face 13:01:18 what 13:01:19 get back here 13:01:21 jerk 13:01:27 wow 13:01:30 he summons a lot of imps at once 13:01:38 (the player spell only summons one imp) 13:01:59 id more poitons 13:02:22 ok, elliot 13:02:26 you are a Good Player if you know when to use haste 13:02:26 two ts 13:02:30 and a bad player if you never use it 13:02:33 two ts sorry 13:02:38 what if i use haste constantly 13:02:43 then you'll run out of haste 13:02:49 that's the life 13:02:58 I think I've said this before but 13:03:01 haste is really, really, really good 13:03:06 but it won't save you if you're a turn away from death 13:03:15 it's like berzerk ,you have to identify it's about to be needed and use it pre-emptively for maximum benefit 13:03:38 haste makes you 1.5x as fast in both moving and attacking 13:03:41 yaaaay 13:03:44 back up 13:03:44 orc party 13:03:47 ehhhh 13:03:51 cut the corner and go sw 13:03:53 are you sure 13:03:54 juust behind that wall 13:03:58 there might be a wizard or priest 13:03:58 wait there 13:04:21 no one else followed? 13:04:31 nope 13:04:33 ok 13:04:39 also, orc parties are a good target for luring 13:04:43 since they often have priests or wizards 13:04:46 and can have many if you're unlucky 13:05:32 back up 13:05:33 lol 13:05:34 or that 13:05:41 but backing up would have been safer (scorpions are same speed) 13:05:51 back up 13:05:51 yeah 13:05:53 wait there 13:05:55 he'll come to you 13:05:57 yeah hand 13:06:00 good idea 13:06:03 ill wait for him 13:06:07 sure 13:06:10 hes uh 13:06:11 not coming 13:06:18 lol 13:06:20 that jerk! 13:06:33 wow 13:06:36 well 13:06:37 keep hitting him 13:06:38 lol 13:06:39 dude 13:06:41 i have 1 hp 13:06:43 i think ill run insetad 13:06:46 what else are you going to do 13:06:48 lol 13:06:49 run 13:06:49 slowly 13:07:02 well 13:07:04 noope 13:07:07 i survived a little longer than i would have otherwise 13:07:16 AAAAND HERE WE GO AGAIN 13:07:38 is that armour 13:07:39 I see 13:07:46 man 13:07:48 i'm annoyed because 13:07:49 that mutation 13:08:35 oh 13:08:36 I just thought of something 13:08:39 the next time you find a book 13:08:42 pick it up 13:08:43 and 13:08:50 when something annoying is next to you 13:08:51 throw the book at it 13:08:52 then af 13:08:57 o 13:08:57 k 13:08:59 oh i see 13:09:00 haha 13:09:20 not bad 13:09:29 even if i hate elves 13:09:52 also, keep in mind throwing and afing will take two turns 13:09:59 if you don't think you can handle two turns of melee, well, you should have done it earlier! 13:10:17 but I imagine it would work well on like an orc wizard 13:11:30 god 13:11:30 bats 13:11:38 the bat's mortal enemy is the tab 13:11:39 it's even 13:11:40 tab backwards 13:11:41 O_O 13:11:43 have I just blown your mind or what 13:11:45 lmao 13:12:55 I remember at one point 13:12:59 ##crawl found some splats of this guy who 13:13:03 judging from his replays 13:13:06 didn't know how to go diagonally 13:13:07 or didn't care 13:13:09 because he just didn't 13:13:16 and he was like 13:13:18 taking orthogonal steps up to a lich 13:13:20 and shit like that 13:14:02 it's shaft time 13:14:07 sigh 13:14:07 why 13:14:08 well 13:14:09 wrong decision time 13:14:11 at least you landed next to the upstairs 13:14:18 (take them) 13:14:28 lmao 13:14:33 have an orc as a souvenier 13:14:36 go to the choke point already 13:14:42 woooorms 13:14:50 worms status: dicks 13:14:59 ok 13:15:00 you can't hack and back it yet 13:15:03 because your weapon delay isn't low enough 13:15:15 if you had show_game_turns on you'd see it takes you 1.2 or so turns to swing a weapon 13:15:17 at this skill level 13:16:06 lmao 13:16:11 why are you throwing darts from melee range 13:16:13 ok 13:16:16 zerk? 13:16:17 it will kill you in one hit 13:16:19 bah 13:16:19 fuck no 13:16:22 find a place you can pillar dance 13:16:22 around 13:16:29 diagonal movement may be necessary 13:16:37 try there 13:16:48 ahahahahaha 13:16:50 no wrong way 13:16:55 I meant that little triangle thing 13:16:57 rofl 13:17:05 im 13:17:07 so bad at games 13:17:38 OKAY 13:17:39 HERE 13:17:39 WE 13:17:40 GO 13:17:46 skills 13:17:58 the first ogre of any game 13:18:01 is NOT there to fuck around 13:18:08 he's there to beat your pansy skill into a pulp 13:18:12 AND HE WILL 13:18:14 since you suck with your weapon and have no defenses to speak of 13:18:16 so treat him like that 13:18:35 a 13:18:37 potion of porridge 13:19:13 try the ring 13:19:18 woot 13:19:19 nb 13:19:33 guess i knew that 13:19:40 it's good to know for sure 13:19:53 try your skin 13:19:58 yup 13:20:00 noice 13:20:13 gecko 13:20:17 youy should think 'alert alert' 13:20:18 because 13:20:21 geckos are faster than normal speed 13:20:37 (crawl's early game monsters are unintuitive like that) 13:21:23 hmm, I think I know what the colour coding for stairs is now 13:21:26 yellow = one way 13:21:31 green = there's no monsters on the other side 13:21:35 red = there are monsters on the other side 13:21:56 you can tell whether there's monsters?! 13:21:58 no 13:22:02 they start gray 13:22:05 oh 13:22:07 and turn green/red after you've gone through them 13:22:22 if you could see onto the other side of stairs without taking them I think crawl would be too easy 13:22:40 yeah :P 13:22:53 just 13:22:55 walk over the trap 13:22:56 crawl is dumb 13:23:13 chain mail is good 13:23:34 hmm 13:23:38 your m&f isn't going up very fast 13:23:38 weird 13:24:09 was i really on dungeon 1 13:25:21 I was just thinking 13:25:26 since kobolds have apt 3 in short blades 13:25:32 that it might be better to go short blades path 13:25:38 (apt 3 means you raise the skill almost twice as fast 13:25:44 (apt 4 means you do raise the skill twice as fast) 13:25:49 (similarly, apt -4 is twice as slow) 13:26:21 totally wasted that berk 13:26:24 wow 13:26:28 nice position you left yourself in 13:26:30 hmmm 13:26:31 what is potion of porridge btw 13:26:34 food 13:26:36 wow 13:26:39 what can you even do from this point 13:26:46 probably start by trog handing 13:27:29 haha 13:27:30 pfft 13:27:35 can i berk myself 13:27:38 if you like 13:27:43 anyway, next game you should try this 13:27:46 first short sword you find? 13:27:48 swap from your mace to it 13:27:53 and train short blades exclusively 13:27:59 it might work better since you'll train it a lot faster 13:28:00 how fast are orcs again 13:28:03 and quick blades own if you can get your hands on one 13:28:05 well, you're slow 13:28:10 trog hand 13:28:18 ok 13:28:23 rest 13:28:24 that thing's like elbereth 13:28:29 uh sure 13:28:31 if you're fighting orcs 13:28:36 who isn't 13:28:41 well 13:28:42 orcs are wimps 13:29:07 found any flails yet? 13:29:46 nope 13:29:48 hand 13:30:53 btw, there's an undisclosed secret mechanic in crawl, whereby if you retreat partially behind a wall to get a ranged weapon user out of los, they'll move to the tile furthest from you that enters your los 13:30:55 I swear they always do that 13:30:58 so be aware of that 13:31:02 ok 13:31:17 ideally you'll move to a spot where you can close in 0 or 1 turns after they appear 13:31:20 not always possible however 13:32:16 do you have any unused scrolls? 13:32:26 hand and zerk 13:33:07 is that 13:33:07 armour 13:33:12 yes 13:33:13 wear it 13:33:19 cool 13:33:24 "can't open 'ed.c': File exists" 13:33:27 nice chokepoint 13:33:35 by the way 13:33:37 you know about doors, right? 13:33:38 well 13:33:39 animals can't open doors 13:33:40 ever 13:33:40 no 13:33:41 fyi 13:33:42 what are doors 13:33:46 yeah what the fuck are doors 13:33:59 and if you like 13:33:59 open a door 13:34:03 and see a centaur pack on the other side 13:34:08 the best response is usually to shut the door 13:34:23 amulet 13:34:23 try it 13:34:30 ok 13:35:53 you keep moving intothe elbow of corridors 13:35:55 instead of cutting across them 13:36:00 stop that, even in situations where it doesn't matter 13:36:01 bad habit 13:36:12 look at all those id scrolls 13:36:13 use them 13:36:20 ooorcs 13:36:32 ok 13:36:39 that was remarkably clean 13:36:40 btw, don't forget that if you see an orc wizard blink it doesn't know invis 13:36:41 and vice versa 13:36:41 yeah 13:37:06 is there any reason not to drink the potion of smart 13:37:20 only esoteric reasons 13:37:21 go ahead 13:37:42 orc wizards have three sets of spells: haste and blink, confuse and invis, haste and invis 13:37:46 and they always have something to damage, of course 13:37:55 good student 13:37:57 you have learned well 13:37:58 what 13:38:01 walk to it and kill it 13:38:02 lol 13:38:03 oh 13:38:05 yes 13:38:09 once you're in melee with it 13:38:10 it's like 13:38:11 derrrp how does bow work 13:38:13 and stops using it 13:38:53 hand and kill 13:39:53 hmm 13:39:59 I'm wondering if that whip of electrocution 13:40:01 is worth it 13:40:03 go pick it up 13:40:07 i it 13:40:08 oh a flail 13:40:23 it fits into your maceandflailskind strife specibus, yes 13:40:28 ok yeah, as a weapon whips suck 13:40:32 but as a brand electrocution owns 13:40:33 try it 13:40:39 try what 13:40:45 the whip 13:40:58 hi ogre 13:41:02 ok remember? 13:41:04 ogres don't fuck around 13:41:32 eeeeeh 13:41:37 you shouldn't be meandering off into the unknown 13:41:43 p 13:41:44 you should look for a place you can pillar dance around 13:41:44 instead 13:41:45 ill p 13:41:56 sure 13:41:58 also 13:42:00 you had a wand of draining? 13:42:02 you could have used that 13:42:48 brb 13:46:17 back 13:48:35 are you going to play again? 13:48:37 if not I'm going to bed 13:48:41 sure 13:48:46 was taking a minute's break 13:48:49 you can go to bed if you want though :P 13:48:50 aite 13:49:36 back on 13:49:55 so, this time 13:50:00 try swapping to a short blade as soon as you see one 13:50:09 ok 13:50:11 (daggers suck except for stabbing) 13:51:48 aha 13:51:50 sord 13:51:59 change skills 13:52:12 stabbing? 13:52:22 stabbing only works if you're stealthy 13:52:28 and if you were stealthy you'd be using a dagger 13:52:33 for the stabbing damage multipler 13:52:41 (if you ever want to try a stabber, roll a spriggan enchanter) 13:53:02 then you follow the hyperbolic guide 13:53:04 ??hyperbolic ??hyperbolic[2] ??hyperbolic[3] 13:53:46 spen is quite fun 13:53:55 you stab most things to death while they're asleep 13:54:05 and if they don't die you can put them to sleep again with eh or run cuz you're fast 13:54:14 (and you'll run a lot since you'll be very flimsy) 13:54:25 it's a looot diifferent from playing a kobe in any case 13:54:46 look 13:54:47 items 13:54:47 try them 13:55:02 close the door 13:55:06 ok 13:55:06 hand 13:55:12 and stand next to the door 13:55:13 oh 13:55:15 you don't even have it yet 13:55:17 well 13:55:20 stand next to the door anyway 13:55:21 i'll just leg it 13:55:30 hm 13:55:37 sure, if you think you can 13:55:48 well i can't beat him can i 13:55:49 i'm xl 3 13:55:55 orr 13:55:57 kind of risky without hand I guess 13:55:58 so 13:55:58 i guess i could berk him 13:56:00 bah 13:56:00 where's the nearest staircase? 13:56:02 (up or down) 13:56:03 i'll go for it 13:56:07 staircase is far 13:56:13 hahahaha 13:56:24 move randomly 13:56:24 at least 13:56:35 lol 13:56:35 meh 13:57:15 did you have ?curing? 13:57:16 btw 13:57:18 I forgot to ask/check 13:57:19 dunno 13:57:36 you can use potions while confused 13:57:47 just not...wands, invocations, scrolls or rods 13:58:32 also, if you're going to swap to sblades 13:58:39 you can leave your skills au natural until you actually find the short blade 13:58:50 bit late 13:58:55 you can train like 13:58:56 mmmm 13:58:58 armour or fighting or something 13:58:59 while you wait 13:59:00 lol 13:59:00 WHY NOT 13:59:04 dumb 13:59:07 no seriously 13:59:27 meh 13:59:28 that'll do 13:59:51 huh 13:59:54 how did you -not- have hand 13:59:57 the last time you got to sigmund 13:59:57 weird 14:00:01 no idea 14:00:33 if you find a scroll of acquirement, wish for weapon 14:00:37 you'll be likely to get a quick blade 14:00:54 back up 14:01:06 id the amulet, if you can 14:01:33 ok 14:01:42 lmfao 14:01:45 cool 14:01:48 you know what time it is? 14:01:54 berk time? 14:01:58 hand and berk time 14:01:58 @time Patashu 14:01:59 Local time for Patashu is Mon Apr 23 00:01:57 2012 14:02:03 thanks 14:02:08 berk 14:02:34 hand 14:02:36 hand 14:02:37 ok 14:02:40 nvm poison wore off 14:03:05 you don't have to hand -every- time you're poisoned 14:03:08 only if you get poisoned a lot 14:03:20 (hand costs piety) 14:03:44 wear the cloak 14:03:46 weaarrr it 14:03:48 oh 14:03:49 ok 14:03:50 :3 14:04:11 oo 14:04:13 runed short sword 14:04:13 try it 14:04:25 niiiiice 14:04:28 now 14:04:29 don't die 14:04:31 cover 14:04:45 hand as soon as you see a priest or wizard 14:05:00 cover 14:05:08 if you can move out of los in one turn 14:05:10 always do that first 14:05:14 hand 14:05:16 kill 14:05:19 wow 14:05:21 berk 14:05:29 k 14:05:31 butcher 14:05:37 i know man 14:05:44 yes 14:05:45 scale mail is good 14:05:51 (chain and splint and plate are better) 14:06:31 it's not id, right? 14:06:35 dunno 14:06:37 no, it's not 14:06:46 so enchant armour or recharging 14:06:49 what did you use it on? 14:06:56 armour 14:07:02 oh, then it was recharging 14:07:21 spam spam spam 14:07:50 chain mail~ 14:07:56 oh 14:07:57 lol 14:08:29 yaaay 14:08:38 blinking is the best scroll 14:08:40 cover 14:08:49 hmm 14:08:52 it seems if you do it immediately 14:08:55 most of the orcs don't even come looking for you 14:08:59 cover 14:09:08 hand 14:09:11 since you've lost hp already 14:09:31 lol I was about to suggets you pick up the morningstar 14:09:33 but you're sblades now 14:09:36 and you have a nice sblade too 14:09:41 (elec is a great brand early on) 14:09:47 -!- derdon has joined. 14:10:33 go team a... oh 14:10:34 :( 14:10:38 darts? 14:10:40 no darts 14:10:51 wow 14:10:52 14:10:55 did you see that worker ant go into the elbow 14:10:57 like a scrub 14:11:01 clearly needs to take more advice from me 14:11:07 ok yeah 14:11:11 your sblades skill is going up 14:11:12 waaaaaaaaaay faster 14:11:16 than your m&f would have 14:11:50 i need darts 14:11:55 wow 14:11:56 no darts 14:11:56 :( 14:12:09 hand and berk 14:12:12 or whatever 14:12:13 why 14:12:14 doesn't matter now 14:12:15 i'm fine 14:12:17 lol 14:12:18 I love that 14:12:19 one game 14:12:23 aaaaaa this wizard is eating me 14:12:24 this game 14:12:27 'what wizard??????' 14:12:49 test that wand 14:12:54 next chum pyou see 14:12:56 like ijyb 14:13:04 nice 14:13:10 worst 14:13:10 berk 14:13:11 ever 14:13:13 lol 14:13:36 edmmmmmmmmmmmnd 14:13:38 oh he's the guy who's actually a weakling 14:13:49 lol 14:13:50 lmao 14:13:52 well ok 14:16:02 hand 14:16:03 don't forget 14:16:14 try the cloak 14:16:15 oh 14:16:17 remove curse? 14:16:23 g 14:16:34 ok 14:17:40 use enchant weapon II 14:17:44 this will be your main weapon until you get a quick blade 14:18:06 new contender for worst berk 14:18:48 oh 14:18:48 prince ribbit 14:18:49 hold up 14:18:49 rly 14:18:53 prince ribbit is hard 14:19:01 Prince Ribbit (F) | Speed: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | Health: 40 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Damage: 20 | Flags: amphibious, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: magic(40), drown | Chunks: contaminated | XP: 302 | Sp: blink; teleport self. 14:19:04 basically he's a blink frog by himself 14:19:07 and he appears a lot earlier 14:19:12 don't zerk 14:19:14 he'll blink away 14:19:15 like that 14:19:20 so hmm 14:19:24 inventory? 14:19:27 got anything good 14:19:28 confusion? 14:19:35 confusion him then melee? will that stop him blinking 14:19:43 hmmmm 14:19:44 ok try it 14:19:47 but he might resist it 14:20:12 i guess i'll try again 14:20:37 bah 14:20:40 back up one step 14:20:41 i'll just leg it 14:20:45 again 14:20:46 wait for him to close in 14:20:48 slash 14:20:52 again 14:20:56 lol 14:20:59 ok, that imp is 14:21:01 very in the way 14:21:03 back up more 14:21:04 not any more 14:21:11 you don't want the imp blocking you off 14:21:20 lol 14:21:23 hit ribbit once 14:21:26 wow 14:21:28 quaff speed 14:21:29 now 14:21:35 ok 14:21:36 actually 14:21:37 bia for me 14:21:38 please 14:21:42 bia? 14:21:48 ac 14:21:52 again 14:21:55 again 14:21:59 jesus hell 14:22:01 ok just hit him 14:22:13 yay 14:22:16 and now he is ded 14:22:35 now imagine a pack of prince ribbits 14:22:38 and you know why you died to blink frogs 14:22:42 yeah 14:22:47 wait 14:22:49 oh nvm 14:22:50 you have rCorr 14:22:52 do whatever you want 14:24:06 the First Ogre Of The Game (tm) came a bit late to pull one over on you 14:24:08 unfortunately for him 14:24:16 i think he might have been the second 14:24:27 the second ogre is never quite like the first 14:24:47 btw, fair warning 14:24:52 if you invis after monsters have seen you 14:24:56 they still know roughly where you are 14:25:00 i or e? 14:25:03 it's not a guaranteed escape mechanism 14:25:04 e 14:25:07 but it's probably heal wounds 14:25:11 (or curing?) 14:25:16 yeah curing 14:25:25 turn evo off 14:25:36 I got unix v6 ed to work on my system :D 14:25:42 fighting reasonable? 14:25:45 sure 14:25:48 you may as well flick shields on too 14:26:11 (you should have gone up the stairs) 14:26:57 what's that 14:27:00 is it....armour? 14:27:01 sky beast 14:27:03 oh 14:27:14 ooo 14:27:15 wear them 14:27:20 lol 14:27:42 use a scroll of remove curse 14:27:56 lol 14:27:57 lol 14:28:06 you might want to find out what kind of ring that is 14:28:19 hold up 14:28:24 he was using a spear of venom 14:28:30 i handed 14:28:34 cool 14:28:39 uhhhh 14:28:40 just be aware that 14:28:43 why am i still pois 14:28:48 you were in red poison 14:28:51 because he hit you a lot 14:29:17 id 14:29:21 fun 14:29:28 lucky you're a kobold 14:29:43 oh 14:29:44 remove curse 14:29:46 you just picked it up 14:30:01 oh my intelligence is 14:30:02 drop your ring of hunger 14:30:02 really low somehow 14:30:07 yeah, your artifact gloves 14:30:13 if your int gets drained to 0 or lower, you should take the gloves off 14:30:24 (you get a grace period and then you die of having no int) 14:30:28 (like if you were starving) 14:31:01 hello 14:31:05 hi 14:31:21 tanking those hits like a pro 14:31:39 what 14:31:40 welcome to kobold vault 14:31:45 i can take this 14:31:48 just 14:31:48 don't zerk 14:31:53 it will run out waaaay before they all die 14:31:54 how did you find out my secret plan 14:32:04 not zerking is a good plan for kobold vault 14:32:11 hand is ok though 14:32:16 if you lose any more hp 14:33:16 pray 14:33:24 hahahaa 14:33:43 up the stairs 14:33:48 you're so boring 14:33:49 take a different > 14:33:50 yes 14:33:51 bah 14:33:56 pff 14:33:59 if you like 14:34:05 also stop praying 14:34:06 start butchering 14:34:43 take the dagger of distortion 14:34:44 -!- Ngevd has joined. 14:34:45 but don't use it 14:34:58 jrgklmdfslfdh 14:34:59 Hello! 14:35:09 this is a good opportunity to practice piller dancing 14:35:10 get to it 14:35:21 you're doing it wrong 14:35:27 In response to the seeming renewed developement of UniCode, I have renewed developement of Uniquode 14:35:44 uniquode? 14:35:59 hmm 14:36:01 is this worse or better 14:36:14 oh 14:36:16 the artifact isn't very good 14:36:19 since +2 dex is like nothing 14:36:22 so go with that pair 14:36:38 ok 14:36:41 here's how you deal with the eel 14:36:42 run 14:36:58 fucking 14:36:59 ok now 14:36:59 autoexplore 14:37:10 you know what? 14:37:11 bia it 14:37:19 ...Crawl? 14:37:21 just because fuck eels 14:37:21 yes 14:37:25 now type this 14:37:25 ta 14:37:28 or nvm 14:37:30 it knows what to do already 14:37:30 i know ta 14:37:31 but 14:37:31 good ogre 14:37:32 yeah 14:37:41 that poor kobold 14:37:42 never had a chance 14:37:54 haha 14:37:58 you got back all the piety you spent on that bia 14:38:05 awesome 14:38:25 wait 14:38:27 your wepon 14:38:28 it is wrong 14:38:34 how did that happen 14:38:41 oioo 14:38:42 things 14:39:09 wand testing time 14:39:22 lame 14:40:06 think i can turn more of these on yet? 14:40:12 keep it as is for now 14:40:54 when you get some heavy armour like plate pump armour too 14:41:04 kill it 14:41:39 quaff gain strength 14:41:58 oo 14:42:01 swap to that splint mail 14:42:03 and turn armour on 14:43:37 awesome 14:44:02 sigh 14:44:09 (no) 14:44:13 why not 14:44:22 you electrocute yourself 14:44:38 just walk around it 14:44:45 that won't even work 14:44:55 lol 14:44:55 just 14:44:57 go to the next level 14:44:58 yay 14:45:00 also, things 14:45:10 lame 14:45:48 hmm 14:45:50 steam dragon sounds scary 14:45:54 steam dragon (D) | Speed: 10 | HD: 4 | Health: 20-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 12, 6 | Flags: fly, !sil | Res: magic(16) | XP: 183 | Sp: steam ball (3d10). 14:45:56 looks easy to me 14:46:47 yessssss 14:46:48 yay 14:46:49 trog crowning 14:46:50 so 14:46:51 what is it 14:46:53 is it a quick blade? 14:46:57 oh, it's a sabre 14:46:59 is that long or short blade? 14:47:05 duno 14:47:11 oh, it's short 14:47:12 try it 14:47:41 anti-magic is a brand that does no damage, but makes spellcasters less likely to cast spells 14:47:44 when you hit them with it 14:47:57 oh 14:48:01 i don't like that brand then 14:48:02 so you want to use the electro sword most of the time 14:48:05 lol 14:48:11 it's actually pretty useful 14:48:20 since you start meeting spellcasters that do omfg amounts of damage with their blasts 14:48:25 so keep it as a swap 14:48:32 oh, plate 14:48:33 wear plate 14:48:35 dooo it 14:49:58 im a fucking moron 14:50:09 kill the mushrooms 14:50:13 can i melee 14:50:14 melee their faces off 14:51:24 stop 14:51:25 ok 14:51:30 bia 14:51:37 swap places w/ 14:51:40 rape time 14:51:42 oh what 14:51:45 dumb troll is dumb 14:51:56 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:52:08 well 14:52:46 -!- elliottasdf has joined. 14:52:48 -!- elliottasdf has changed nick to elliott. 14:52:52 I barely got the hang of Pokmon Mystery Dungeon, I don't think I'm up for Crawl 14:52:59 crawl is the easiest roguelike 14:53:01 except for pmd 14:53:07 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 14:53:07 -!- elliott has joined. 14:53:32 ok 14:53:33 I think 14:53:36 and this is just a guess 14:53:36 but 14:53:43 I think this is the entrance to the orcish mines 14:53:43 :D 14:53:57 wtf 14:53:59 even a giant spore 14:54:10 woah 14:54:11 what are you doing 14:54:13 you're slow remember 14:54:16 hand 14:55:03 kill the mushrooms 14:55:48 not an entrance 14:55:52 oh 14:55:53 should i? 14:55:55 nah 14:55:56 lair first 14:55:58 but that was quite fun 14:56:00 okay fine 14:56:19 well 14:56:21 you can do orc 1:3 if you like 14:56:24 and stair dance a lot 14:56:30 nah, I'll do lair first 14:56:43 also, should probably butcher stuff 14:56:47 trying to 14:57:04 are mummys ok 14:57:11 kill the centaur first 14:57:16 now kill the mummy 14:57:58 ooo 14:58:01 I love this vault 14:58:02 step closer and watch 14:58:27 no lair 14:58:43 lair appears between D:8 and D:13 14:58:50 bah 14:58:52 I wanna go for orcish mines 14:58:54 lair was ugh 14:58:56 alright 14:58:57 try it 14:59:24 also, stairdancing is > go down stairs < go up stairs [Tab] kill whoever followed you 14:59:34 you'll end up doing it a lot 14:59:36 due to priests 14:59:37 I managed to get 100% completion on Pokmon Ranger, but that isn't a Roguelike in any way, shape, or form. 15:00:22 stair dancing time 15:00:24 go on the < 15:00:25 and go up 15:00:28 now 15:00:34 tab tab tab tab 15:00:36 corpse corpse corpse corpse 15:00:37 rest repeat 15:00:46 and yeah, I was right about the stair colour coding 15:00:47 up 15:00:52 tab tab tab 15:01:28 woah 15:01:34 heal wounds first 15:01:41 inventory again 15:01:50 scrolls? 15:01:55 blink perhaps? 15:01:58 mmm 15:01:59 read fear 15:02:07 kill the warrior first 15:02:12 ohg 15:02:13 hand 15:02:13 as well 15:02:38 that kind of sucked 15:02:40 but you didn't die 15:03:55 wow 15:03:58 already?? 15:03:58 bia 15:04:07 move towards the high priest 15:04:10 what 15:04:11 I thought 15:04:12 huh 15:04:17 killit 15:04:28 that's a pretty early orc high priest 15:04:50 I thought trog summons were shielded from abjuration 15:04:55 down? 15:04:58 maybe it's a piety in max_piety check 15:05:02 sure 15:05:08 lure it 15:05:20 no stairs ofc 15:05:23 wait 15:05:26 you took an escape hatch? 15:05:28 yeah 15:05:29 well don't do that 15:05:34 was the only way down 15:05:39 oh 15:05:40 no it wasn't 15:05:49 there's always three < one escape hatch < three > one escape hatch > 15:05:56 just that in orcish mines they're in separated 'bubbles' 15:05:57 sometimes 15:05:59 ah 15:07:40 down again? 15:07:51 do you want to try orc:4? 15:07:56 if you do, ask me about anything new you see 15:08:03 orcs 15:08:04 oooooooo 15:09:08 thanks trog 15:09:12 so 15:09:13 what is it 15:09:16 try it 15:09:23 gah 15:09:25 fucking anti magic bullshit 15:09:26 thanks trog 15:09:56 don't do elf yet 15:09:56 are elven halls relevant 15:09:56 btw 15:10:01 they're 15:10:02 full of elves 15:10:03 -!- MDude has joined. 15:10:05 horrible 15:10:12 longer answer: your max hp is still really low 15:10:15 so you might randomly die in elf 15:10:28 why 15:10:29 what 15:10:32 oh 15:10:36 wrong staircase 15:11:36 WHAT 15:11:36 hahahahaha 15:11:38 wrong staircase 15:11:43 ok uh 15:11:45 inventory? 15:11:55 teleportation? 15:11:55 let's see 15:11:59 blinking, tele, curing, heal wounds 15:12:00 hmmm 15:12:04 screen again? 15:12:16 hp is uhhh 15:12:19 first thing 15:12:20 heal wounds 15:12:20 yeah 15:12:29 second thing 15:12:32 blink onto that other < down there 15:12:36 that's the one you came in by 15:12:50 ok 15:12:51 rest to full 15:12:55 lucky you didn't get smited more 15:13:00 now lure 'em again? 15:13:02 now you know the importance of staircase colours :) 15:13:02 yeah 15:13:58 how many corpses until trog likes me fully 15:14:09 are you hoping for a quick blade gift? 15:14:13 dunno 15:14:14 anything 15:14:21 trog only gifts weapons 15:15:35 yikes 15:15:37 reinforcements 15:15:39 lol 15:16:16 btw, a combo you should try some time is hill orc priest 15:16:20 hill orc priests are special, they worship beogh 15:16:23 the god of converting orcs to be allies 15:16:27 and over time he levels them up to be better orcs 15:16:31 and it's really different 15:17:51 oh my god 15:17:57 it's fie 15:18:08 you can only blink within LOS 15:18:08 btw 15:18:11 also, waste of a blinking scroll 15:18:35 fuck 15:18:37 wrong staircase again 15:18:41 go down 15:18:46 actually 15:18:48 this room looks OK 15:18:54 I don't think so 15:19:01 well 15:19:03 bia 15:19:05 ac ac ac 15:19:19 hmm 15:19:19 blink time methinks 15:19:22 idk anymore 15:19:24 you ran out 15:19:30 nope 15:19:33 oh, ok 15:19:34 still 15:19:41 Wow, I own at least 5 books 15:19:41 down here, right? 15:19:45 yeah, I think that's right 15:19:54 ehm 15:19:58 you can just run now 15:20:00 and let hand regen you 15:20:01 right? 15:20:04 right 15:20:46 the orcish mines, a perfect place to go and hang out if you like 15:20:47 -orcs 15:20:51 -ambushes on every single staircase per level 15:21:18 can you go one tile east for me 15:21:20 I want to see something 15:21:24 interesting 15:21:28 I got the colour scheme thing wrong, then 15:21:31 maybe green is up, red is down 15:21:45 ok, I guess you just have to REMEMBER which staircases are cleared already 15:21:49 because that's totally unreasonable 15:22:12 escape time 15:22:16 am i done with the mines? 15:22:18 or is there more 15:22:19 not yetr 15:22:23 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 15:22:24 you're not done until you find the four shops 15:22:27 sigh 15:22:28 or flee because the area is too hard 15:22:46 which one has venom 15:22:52 nvm they're all dead 15:22:58 apart from this new guy 15:23:00 walk closer to the wizard 15:23:14 walk clsoer 15:23:16 he has to die after all 15:23:19 even if you are slow 15:23:20 he did 15:23:22 no 15:23:24 priestly dude 15:23:31 butcher? 15:23:34 yess 15:23:37 yummy orc flesh 15:23:52 run at it 15:23:55 look at hp 15:23:59 wow 15:24:05 smite happy priest today 15:24:05 wtf 15:24:12 (they will do that randomly) 15:24:17 (they don't have a smite/turn quota, it's random per turn) 15:24:36 good grief 15:24:38 lol 15:24:39 hand 15:25:17 cover 15:25:17 oh my god 15:25:40 yum 15:25:41 bia 15:25:47 wtf 15:25:49 why doesn't that work anymore 15:25:52 try one more time 15:26:01 now stay summoned this time 15:26:01 thanks 15:26:18 help 15:26:22 take a step ne 15:26:22 meh 15:26:29 killit 15:26:33 lol 15:26:42 lucky you have your troll to tank everything for you! 15:26:53 yum 15:27:22 what is it with these orcs 15:27:25 well 15:27:27 you are in the ORCish mines 15:27:28 for a reason! 15:28:05 uhhh 15:28:09 dex? 15:28:11 sure 15:28:16 behind cover and regen 15:28:19 oh my god 15:28:21 get awy from that knight 15:28:28 what 15:28:31 oh 15:28:34 sure go iun there 15:28:40 bia 15:29:01 ok stop 15:29:03 yeah 15:29:05 wow, 3 orc priests 15:29:07 what do you have 15:29:11 i think teleportation 15:29:13 is my best bet here 15:29:13 I wonder if they see invisibility 15:29:17 tele takes too long to kick in 15:29:30 don't have many other options 15:29:32 hmm 15:29:35 try quaffing invis 15:29:42 i'm hp 6 15:29:43 that's very risky 15:29:53 tele takes approximately 3 turns 15:29:54 to kick in 15:30:08 i'll cure again 15:30:13 invis 15:30:14 lol 15:30:16 that was counterproductive 15:30:23 cure again? 15:30:35 start bashing them? 15:30:36 ok wow 15:30:38 I think that actually works 15:30:48 stop bashing 15:30:49 no more bashing 15:30:55 read ?tele 15:31:08 ok 15:31:10 lucky 15:31:22 (that probably wasn't the best place to run. I presumed it was cleared out by then) 15:31:23 christ 15:31:35 walk back carefully? 15:31:43 anyway turns out invis does stop smiting 15:31:45 which is handy 15:31:46 sure 15:32:14 lure 15:32:18 luuuure 15:32:51 see what else you can lure 15:32:52 yeah 15:32:56 he's tridenting you 15:33:02 wher'ed that knight go... 15:33:21 woot 15:33:21 shops 15:33:27 get the blinking scroll 15:33:32 wands? 15:33:36 too expensive 15:33:38 and you don't know what it is 15:33:42 there he is 15:33:44 uhh 15:33:51 you might want one of those 15:33:51 hang on 15:33:53 invis? 15:33:55 first can you bia that knight for me? 15:33:56 cheapest 15:33:57 yeah invis is great 15:34:02 what knight 15:34:04 i think its dead 15:34:07 no 15:34:09 it's alive 15:34:13 bia 15:34:21 it's south of you 15:34:33 you can't order it to attack it since you can't see it 15:34:35 wow 15:34:35 wtf 15:34:37 is it invisible??? 15:34:39 yep 15:34:46 and 15:34:47 ok, run then 15:34:47 ogre-killing 15:34:53 huh 15:34:54 wtf 15:34:59 ac again? 15:35:03 sure 15:35:04 while it's like that 15:35:22 this guy is a monster 15:35:22 ok now you can run 15:35:23 :D 15:35:33 fuuuck 15:35:35 only one thing for it 15:35:37 you're as fast as it 15:35:41 lol 15:35:43 ok 15:35:57 i like how 15:36:01 i just murdered the entire population 15:36:04 and they're still selling me shit 15:36:05 you pretty much did 15:36:10 get that wand, sure 15:36:13 what's in the oter shops 15:36:16 hmmm 15:36:19 nah 15:36:22 do you have boots? 15:36:30 no 15:36:31 but 15:36:32 is that a... 15:36:32 no? 15:36:33 i can find boots anywhere 15:36:34 buy the boots then 15:36:37 sigh 15:36:37 ok 15:36:38 but you haven't 15:36:39 have you 15:36:55 nah 15:36:59 a manual would be nice 15:36:59 i hate books 15:36:59 but 15:37:00 too spensive 15:37:02 $$$ 15:37:03 (manuals are OK by trog) 15:37:06 go back to the wand store 15:37:14 get digging and disintegration 15:37:21 disintegration can do two things 15:37:27 1) it destroys one section of wall if it's diggable 15:37:27 (a) disintegrate 15:37:30 2) it destroys statues instantly 15:37:32 no save 15:37:47 (unless the statue is roxanne) 15:38:01 huh? 15:38:03 oh 15:38:04 there are statue enemies 15:38:06 that can't move 15:38:12 sigh 15:38:12 roxanne is a unique statue 15:38:19 anyway, you may as well leave orc now 15:38:30 oh 15:38:31 escape hatch? 15:38:44 just don't take that staircase that goes to harold 15:39:04 awesome 15:39:09 wtf i lost piety 15:39:09 lame 15:39:14 you used bia a lot 15:39:22 ok where to now 15:39:26 more dungeon 15:39:27 until you find lair 15:39:27 down the escape hatch here? 15:39:28 then lair 15:39:31 why 15:39:34 close 15:39:34 there's normal stairs right there 15:39:38 oh 15:39:54 elliott: The piety will come back after a while. 15:40:47 do i want glowing orcish splint male 15:40:50 you're in plate 15:40:52 plate is better 15:40:53 oh 15:41:22 lol 15:41:29 by the way 15:41:33 is this your first encounter with BEES 15:41:35 yes 15:41:38 well 15:41:38 glowing orcish splint females are hot 15:41:39 bees are annoying 15:41:41 also 15:41:44 notice how when you're attacking things 15:41:46 the world is moving in slow motion? 15:41:50 no but ok 15:41:52 that's because you're at mindelay 15:42:04 can i berk 15:42:11 if you want! 15:43:03 fog would have been nice to know earlier 15:43:04 lol 15:43:13 are these worse than the other ones 15:43:18 ? 15:43:22 beetle 15:43:24 oh theyre the same kind 15:43:37 that's how you do it 15:43:40 ic 15:44:11 aren't eels fun 15:44:14 won't this level be fun 15:44:16 I bet it has like 8 eels 15:44:25 don't go into the middle of them all 15:44:26 btw 15:44:28 dude 15:44:29 pet jellyfish 15:44:29 why 15:44:32 trog 15:44:34 you asshole 15:44:35 lol 15:45:00 this level sucks 15:45:02 just skip it 15:45:07 don't even try 15:45:10 agreed 15:45:11 (fuck eels) 15:45:16 a slice of pizza!!! 15:45:19 oh boy 15:45:20 this level. 15:45:29 yawn, -another- ogre 15:45:29 You could just add travel exclusions to the eel area and explore the rest of the level as usual. 15:45:36 ion: the eel area was the level 15:46:00 figure out what that ring is 15:46:04 Wasn’t like half of the level outside the view of the eels? 15:46:09 sure, the boring half 15:46:11 ok 15:46:12 awesome 15:46:15 ring of invisibility isn't like in other games 15:46:19 you have to actually -evoke- it for invisibility 15:46:20 not so awesome 15:46:24 ok 15:46:24 and it has a failure rate unless you pump evocations a lot 15:46:25 with potentially an useful item somewhere 15:46:27 but hey, ring of invisibility right 15:46:31 i'll just keep it on then 15:46:37 what's your other ring 15:46:41 wow 15:46:44 oo yaks 15:46:45 ahahaha 15:46:55 i've learnt my yak lesson 15:47:12 man 15:47:13 that is a lot of yaks 15:47:13 . 15:47:51 so, that bazaar 15:47:53 how do i get to that fucking bazaar 15:47:54 it's a permanent bazaar 15:47:57 you can come back to it l8r 15:47:58 ok 15:48:05 (it's permanent because it wasn't announced) 15:48:28 because writing cc hello.c && ./a.out would have been too boring: "cpp hello.c > hello_prep.c && ./wrapper/c2bf hello_prep.c && bfc a.b > a.c && cc a.c && ./a.out" 15:48:57 fuuuck 15:48:58 elliott: Also note the autofight key, the tabulator. It’s handy when you don’t care which enemy to hit. 15:48:58 go sw 15:49:00 or that 15:49:04 it can't attack through the glass 15:49:05 ion: I've been using that. 15:49:10 alright 15:49:17 also, tab usually picks the enemy you were going to attack anyway 15:50:16 elliott: hill giants are your new ogres 15:50:18 say hi to them 15:50:21 hi 15:50:22 aaaaaa 15:50:27 mmmmeels 15:50:35 why is there so much water in this dungeon 15:50:39 is wraith scary 15:50:47 not really 15:51:03 I tend to always add travel exclusions around dangerous places so i can safely autoexplore and autotravel. 15:52:56 stop 15:52:58 stop 15:53:00 stopped 15:53:02 drop your scroll of blinkin 15:53:12 just that 15:53:19 now keep fightging it 15:53:49 How did dropping the scrolls help? 15:53:49 stop 15:53:52 do you have anything you can id? 15:53:55 ion: it prevents them from burning up 15:54:03 pro strat 15:54:16 I think I want to go down another level. 15:54:18 Or, wait. 15:54:20 Is this the last lair level? 15:54:24 D:13 as well 15:54:30 if it's not on D:13 you'll have to struggle your way up 15:54:31 oooo 15:54:31 fun 15:54:37 ok, see the hydra? 15:54:42 ummm 15:54:42 yes 15:54:43 wow 15:54:45 I don't even know what to do 15:54:49 ummmmm 15:54:56 run away from the giant, first 15:55:02 just walk 15:55:09 ok 15:55:11 now you can fight it 15:55:28 Nooo, don’t 15:55:34 Enjoy your hydra. 15:55:39 Is ion watching? 15:55:41 all the stair cases are in one spot 15:55:42 yeah 15:55:42 yeah, he must be 15:55:49 You know what? 15:55:53 I'm just going to go bezerk. 15:55:55 no 15:55:58 Okay. 15:56:00 do you know why? 15:56:03 That was my way of asking you whether that would be a good idea. 15:56:03 and it's a good reason 15:56:06 Go on. 15:56:11 Is the reason that I would die? 15:56:13 hydras gain heads if you hit them with a sharp, non flaming weapon 15:56:18 yes, it is quite related 15:56:21 FUCK MYTHOLOGY 15:56:26 I hate using blinking scrolls 15:56:26 BUT 15:56:28 blink west 15:56:30 and bia 15:56:46 Target it at the hydra? 15:56:50 it should go for it anyway 15:56:50 hand 15:56:53 wow 15:56:54 yak attack 15:56:55 FUCKING YAKS 15:56:57 fucking 15:56:59 go for that upstairs over there 15:57:07 oh jesus 15:57:07 I 15:57:12 why are your dungeon levels so awful today 15:57:26 wooow 15:57:28 ummm 15:57:30 no words 15:57:36 arsenal? 15:57:39 zap invis at yourself 15:57:44 Try to blink to the other stairs up. 15:57:46 (should have done it earlier, actually) 15:57:52 I agree w/ ion 15:57:54 actually 15:57:55 yeah, blink first 15:58:03 then invis 15:58:09 or ivnvis later maybe 15:58:10 idk 15:58:19 jesus 15:58:23 you are having really bad luck 15:58:31 OK. Time to take a breather. 15:58:38 This is a much less chaotic situation than five seconds ago. 15:58:54 I guess... 15:58:55 quaff curing 15:58:56 Curing + invis? 15:58:57 just in case 15:59:04 invis yourself, sure 15:59:11 kill the yak 15:59:15 or well 15:59:16 No. 15:59:17 woah 15:59:20 jesus 15:59:23 ok, kill the WIZARD 15:59:33 oh, now you're in the water 15:59:38 gj I guess 15:59:42 read ?tele 15:59:42 ion: HALP 15:59:44 oh wait you're out 15:59:46 hmm 15:59:52 Wait 15:59:53 Anti-magic sabre! 15:59:54 Note that you’re faster than them if you’re out of the water and the others are in the water. 16:00:01 use hand 16:00:19 You *are* in water. 16:00:20 hahaha 16:00:32 I don't know why you walked off the stairs to begin with 16:00:34 btw 16:00:35 someones gonna have fun reading this log! (no sarcasm..) it will read like journey to the center of the earth maybe. 16:00:37 To run away. 16:00:42 through water? 16:00:44 Yes. 16:00:46 with an orc wizard in los the whole time? 16:00:48 Yes. 16:00:51 ok 16:00:55 wands? 16:01:01 try confusing the orc wizard 16:01:02 Confusion, invis, random, magic, digging, slowing, disinteg 16:01:04 it's crazy but it might work 16:01:06 I've tried that a lot before 16:01:08 He's too resistent 16:01:10 Too magical 16:01:13 really? 16:01:14 one second 16:01:21 he doesn't have much MR 16:01:33 I have 4 HP. A single hit from the yak would take me out. 16:01:43 a single magic dart will take you out 16:01:46 and is also guaranteed to hit 16:01:50 unlike the yak which is not 16:01:55 niice 16:01:58 Hit the orc? 16:02:02 run from the yak probably 16:02:04 or wait 16:02:06 you're slow post zerk 16:02:06 rofl 16:02:07 hmmm 16:02:11 I'm not sure, then 16:02:14 What if I go one east, then hit the orc? 16:02:15 that fucking yak, though 16:02:18 can you confuse the yak too? 16:02:19 That'll get me just out of the reach of the yak. 16:02:21 OK. 16:02:24 that would be nice of you 16:02:33 Again? 16:02:35 yeah 16:02:42 now run 16:02:46 Which direction? 16:02:47 oh, direction 16:02:51 nw looks best 16:02:56 (they all look shitty really) 16:02:57 wow 16:02:59 already?? 16:03:03 confuse him again 16:03:11 wow 16:03:12 nice job yak 16:03:13 now run 16:03:20 hmm 16:03:24 Confuse the yak? 16:03:25 you're still slow, yeah 16:03:42 This is like that time in NetHack... 16:03:47 try invising yourself 16:03:56 Thanks. 16:04:07 neither was guaranteed to work 16:04:11 'sok :P 16:04:12 Can I have the death message from ##crawl? 16:04:21 elliott the Swashbuckler (L12 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a yak on D:12, with 16802 points after 17648 turns and 2:04:04. 16:04:27 Yesss. 16:04:57 @tell monqy You _have_ to watch the 1768 / 2:04:04 turn game I just died in. 16:04:57 Consider it noted. 16:05:21 Hmm. 16:05:21 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 16:05:28 To play again, or to take a break first... 16:05:33 Patashu: Also, go to sleep. 16:05:36 !lg elliott -tv 16:05:36 @time Patashu 16:05:37 Local time for Patashu is Mon Apr 23 02:05:34 2012 16:05:37 will replay that 16:05:39 also, yeah, going to bed 16:05:41 curse that yak..... 16:05:46 curse him! 16:06:21 ion: You can dispense Crawl advice and wisdom, right? 16:06:32 elliott: I suck at Crawl. 16:06:45 FSVO advice and FSVO wisdom, sure. 16:07:02 anyway, in future be more careful with zerks when you're in serious peril 16:07:06 just as being hasted is reallyt really good 16:07:09 being slowed is really really bad 16:07:19 going to bed 16:07:24 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 16:09:50 Holy shit 16:09:55 ion: Take a look at this Dungeon:1 16:10:29 The hblSl are behind glass. They won’t be able to do anything. 16:10:41 Ohhh. 16:10:43 That makes much more sense. 16:20:34 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:20:34 -!- glogbot has joined. 16:20:38 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:20:38 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:20:39 -!- EgoBot has joined. 16:20:40 -!- HackEgo has joined. 16:25:13 `quote 16:25:16 651) fizzie: It's like a JIT, if JITs were... strings. 16:30:44 -!- zzo38 has joined. 16:34:21 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:37:28 -!- monqy has joined. 16:37:33 hi monqy 16:37:33 it was 16:37:37 ~so~exciting~ 16:37:42 you have a 2 hour replay to watch 16:37:48 no it's not optional sorry 16:37:49 oh my 16:37:49 monqy: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 16:37:52 wow 16:37:56 oh my 16:38:09 its 16:38:11 i had the best death ever 16:38:22 i don't think the tv thing will play a full two hours though 16:38:33 id have to download the ttyrecs 16:40:27 or use the tv thing but 16:40:27 ##crawl woul kill me 16:40:27 oh can it actually play two hours 16:40:27 you should totally do that, i hear ##crawl are nice 16:40:27 if you know how to 16:40:27 downside, my play would become laughing stock of crawl 16:40:27 anyway lemme find the direct link to the ttyrec 16:40:27 its easy with the !ttyrec sequelle command 16:40:27 http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/elliott/2012-04-22.13:56:36.ttyrec but this is like 16:40:27 a totally distant second to watching it on the tv 16:40:27 also i've uhhh forgotten most of it 16:40:27 09:39:55 !hs elliott -ttyrec 16:40:27 but there's a lot of really good bits 16:40:27 09:39:56 34. elliott, XL12 KoBe, T:17648: http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/elliott/2012-04-22.13:56:36.ttyrec 16:40:27 oh boy 16:40:27 -!- glogbackup has joined. 16:40:41 i see patashu requested my slaying earlier 16:40:47 wait what's !hs 16:40:52 highscore 16:40:54 im confuse 16:40:55 ah 16:41:01 monqy 16:41:03 i have a plan 16:41:12 shorthand for !lg [...] max=sc 16:41:15 connect with a new nickname and request it in /msg 16:41:24 ok i guess 16:41:26 that would be pretty obvious 16:41:57 monqy: what ttyrec player do you use 16:42:01 i want to 16:42:02 play it at the same time 16:42:25 to relive... the mammaries 16:42:34 uhh i dont know 16:42:37 whatever i found first 16:42:39 oh uh the ttyrec is uxterm so 16:42:43 i guess it'll probably work fine though 16:43:27 i havent bothered finding a great ttyrec player. ttyplay is the first i found and it works fine enough so i use it 16:43:35 oh jettyplay loads this one fine 16:43:40 (that's ais523's player) 16:43:44 is it good 16:43:47 it's uhhh 16:43:48 it's jav 16:43:48 a 16:43:53 it certainly has lots of features 16:44:01 like seeking 16:44:10 * elliott installs ttyplay 16:44:31 yay, mine plays correctly 16:44:43 i think it will probably be uhhh 16:44:46 less than 2 hours in practice 16:44:50 because there was a lot of doing nothing 16:45:04 it's exciting though. like an action movie 16:45:08 with eels 16:45:30 when should i start it now? 16:45:35 uhhh give me a second 16:46:05 im going to 16:46:06 count 16:46:08 3,2,1,then go 16:46:10 are you 16:46:10 ready 16:46:12 yes 16:46:14 3 16:46:15 2 16:46:17 1 16:46:18 go 16:46:22 and we're off 16:47:43 oh no what code were you talking about 16:47:46 my lua thing?? 16:47:49 TODO: synchronized multiuser ttyplayer 16:47:50 oh yeah 16:47:59 it's uh 16:48:04 this is quite boring to start with 16:48:09 but it gets interestingly relatively quickly 16:48:11 i think 16:48:52 Actually, i want a synchronized multiuser video player with a chat overlay. 16:48:54 "skilles" 16:50:04 monqy: i do the uh 16:50:06 orcish mines 16:50:18 oh ok 16:50:23 it's 16:50:27 uhhh 16:50:32 it's uhhh. 16:50:48 the ""general wisdom"" is to do the lair before orcish mines because orcish mines can be hard, but powerful characters can do orc first if they want 16:50:48 mostly the fun parts consist of the ten thousand near-death experiences 16:50:54 yeah but 16:51:01 you should see what i have to deal with right before the entrance to the orcish mines 16:51:06 and also i didn't know where the lair was 16:51:11 and i thought fighting orcs was fun 16:51:15 that was before i went down into the orcish mines 16:51:33 lair appears from dungeon lvel 8 to 13 i think?? 16:51:37 yeah 16:51:42 spoilers i never found it 16:54:08 "orcse" 16:54:24 oh nice elec weapon there 16:54:30 wow you're behind 16:54:35 no im 16:54:36 at orcs 16:54:38 i just noticed it 16:54:39 thouygh 16:54:39 oh 16:54:40 right 16:54:44 2 orc priests 16:54:47 the best number of orc priests 16:54:53 yes it's a nice weapon it gets nicer later on 16:55:11 my orc strategy is uhh 16:55:14 abaa tab tab tab 16:57:23 i offer 16:57:26 a huge number of corpses to trog 16:57:27 in this game 16:57:31 like at the expense of actually eating 16:57:58 eating is more important since you need food to berk and berk costs a lot of food 16:58:08 yeah but 16:58:15 i also use brothers at arms a lot 16:58:17 oh 16:58:18 because 16:58:20 lots of bad things happen 16:58:21 i guess thats later 16:58:24 so in retrospect it was a good decision 16:59:02 i do some 16:59:08 really bad berks occasionally 16:59:18 like ones that run out right as i reach whatever i was trying to berk 17:00:06 wow i spent a lot of time on dungeon 3 17:00:20 now i follow an ant for ages 17:02:12 suspense 17:02:16 oops i tried to 17:02:18 add another e on to that word 17:02:20 but it already had one 17:02:35 ijyb 17:02:45 hes my wand testing pal 17:03:01 oh yeah dont berk things that will probably walk away from you 17:03:09 hi edmund 17:03:16 this pause is me asking 17:03:18 "is this guy dangerous" 17:03:26 turns out 17:03:26 no 17:03:33 edmund is ususally a wimp just dont fight him with other things at the same time 17:04:31 gotta have scroll of curse whatveer 17:05:58 no idea why i abd there 17:06:08 *ab''''d 17:07:40 that was 17:07:42 the terrible berk 17:07:48 it helped me 17:07:51 run down a corridor really angrily 17:08:13 monqy: i think 17:08:16 the thing before the entrance to the mines 17:08:18 is coming up soon 17:08:26 that's when the exicteing starts 17:08:27 oh 17:08:29 mines entry vault? 17:08:30 first prince ribbit 17:08:34 ribite 17:08:35 yes 17:08:40 the long game before this i lost to blink frogs 17:08:43 i dont like frogs 17:08:45 that can blink 17:09:15 blink frog pakcs have to be handfled carefully yeah 17:09:26 i think my technique was: berk 17:10:06 suspensee 17:10:37 ah yes 17:10:44 two blinking things 17:10:47 the best party 17:10:53 -!- Aardwolf has joined. 17:11:12 wow this bit is slow 17:11:43 that was ac i think 17:11:46 yeah 17:11:57 wait 17:12:01 prince ribbit has a human corpse? 17:12:04 yes 17:12:06 hes a prince 17:12:06 what 17:12:08 ok 17:12:09 ohhhh 17:12:11 ok 17:12:40 that was me checking i had 17:12:43 corrosion resistance thing 17:14:43 wow slowe 17:14:51 slower than zzzz 17:16:22 monqy: the entrance is on this floor iirc 17:17:42 monqy: this is it iirc 17:17:46 the pre-entrance bit i mean 17:19:03 argh, this level is way more complicated than i remember 17:20:41 monqy: boo 17:20:42 --ghoste 17:20:50 did you look up its logfirle 17:20:51 areyou scared 17:20:52 no 17:20:55 i just 17:20:55 yes 17:20:59 i just that 17:21:15 aha 17:21:16 sometimes ghosts can have particularly scary features that are spoiled in their logfiles 17:21:17 this is it monqy 17:21:27 the kobold room? 17:21:29 its kobold friend party 17:23:04 this part is good 17:23:07 where i give trog like 17:23:09 fifty corpses 17:23:15 ok the part is over now 17:23:22 oh what 17:23:22 orc 17:23:24 i thought that was the entrance 17:23:26 yes, orc 17:24:23 space warps horribly around you? oh no did one of htem have a distortion weapon oh yes 17:24:30 you could have gotten 17:24:33 banished to the abyss 17:24:37 i didnt though!! 17:24:38 oh no 17:24:40 not goliath beetles 17:25:00 patashu demandd ido the boring thing here 17:25:01 im sory 17:25:08 :( 17:26:01 mesages 17:26:11 oh no 17:26:12 not eels 17:26:14 i hate eels 17:26:16 yes 17:26:33 correct decision 17:26:39 bad autoexplore bad 17:27:12 bia on an eel is probably a bit excessive 17:27:20 i dont like eels 17:28:19 i forget how i came to be 17:28:22 using the mace again 17:28:38 probably you hit ' or something 17:28:47 ' switches between weapons in slots a and b 17:28:50 lame 17:28:53 oh boy gnolls 17:28:56 i sure do love gnolls 17:29:38 im sorey 17:30:11 oh no what idd you do 17:30:14 i 17:30:16 backed up 17:30:17 and 17:30:19 hit the 17:30:19 B 17:30:22 :( 17:30:22 because 17:30:24 patashu 17:30:35 why didnt you just hit the b and run away if you got low on health :( 17:30:40 why :'( 17:30:40 because patashu was lal 17:30:44 ohhh nooo you might dieeee 17:30:46 and i was all 17:30:47 17:31:22 59 is far too much to die to a golaithe beetle in 1 hit 17:31:26 yes but 17:31:29 17:31:32 *ss 17:31:37 i hate orcs 17:31:44 i think this is the entrance 17:31:55 oh maybe not 17:32:13 i hate bats too 17:32:25 i might even modify my configuration to not stop for bats 17:32:38 uuugh this part was a pain 17:33:04 bats are ez with lots of autofight 17:33:10 yeah but 17:33:13 they stop my autoexplore 17:33:15 constantly 17:33:16 oh 17:33:22 yeah that is a crawl problem 17:33:32 my weapon just 17:33:34 keeps getting better 17:33:38 (which is why you should have a key with both autofight and autoexplore on them) 17:33:43 er 17:33:43 it 17:33:51 one key, plural things 17:33:55 god i love this part 17:33:59 inept me vs jellyfish 17:34:08 just because autoexplore put me there 17:34:15 woww whata re you doing 17:34:16 then i try to dart it 17:34:20 so i don't get electrocuted 17:34:21 jellyfish is like 17:34:23 weakest monster 17:34:39 or do you mean from using your elec weapon on a water monster 17:34:44 i dont knowe 17:34:51 patashu just said electorcute 17:34:53 and i was all AAaaaa 17:35:02 oh dont worry about it 17:35:08 i was 17:35:11 not in a rational state at the time 17:36:36 i never use the gift 17:36:43 spoilere 17:37:37 antimagic is good but for most things you shoul dusie your elec i think?? 17:37:42 yeah 17:37:48 spoiler the next god gift is an antimagic weapon too 17:37:51 im like ~ugh~ 17:37:59 trog likes antimagifc 17:38:27 patashu 17:38:28 really likes armour 17:39:05 there are lots of ways to do armour and im not really an expert at it 17:39:40 oopse 17:40:08 wasn't sure if you could melee them 17:40:24 safely, I mean 17:41:07 here we go 17:41:09 im like 17:41:12 90% sure this is the entrance 17:41:15 unless im wrong 17:41:55 why did is top 17:41:57 nice erolcha 17:42:01 top?? 17:42:05 oh 17:42:05 i stop 17:42:08 eah i dunno 17:42:10 its goin again 17:42:24 bat 17:42:37 i like how 17:42:53 the only reason your iron troll was able to kill erolcha is 17:42:57 because there was a bat behind her 17:43:00 so it went for the bat 17:43:01 :D 17:43:10 ah yeah that's the Orc entry 17:43:14 orc orc orc orc orc 17:43:25 8zoo 17:43:26 8o8 17:43:38 nice giant spore behind the orcs 17:43:41 yeaaah 17:43:58 i probably would have shot a piercing ranged attack at the giant spore back there 17:44:06 kill the spore and hurt and confuse the orcs 17:44:07 the best part is how this makes me decide i WANT to go in the orcish mines 17:44:12 good 17:44:30 pro 17:44:42 tactic 1 work into spore 17:44:44 *walk 17:45:03 hound "late to the party" 17:47:31 that meat ration really hit the spot 17:48:06 didn't want to be next 17:48:39 orc ! 17:48:48 here 17:48:48 we 17:48:48 go 17:48:51 warg 17:49:00 hobgoblin 17:49:01 orcs 17:49:03 "all hiding" 17:49:07 welcome party 17:49:57 it looked so easy at this stage 17:50:04 but then 17:50:32 monqy: do you go "hi" at people who do this too 17:50:40 uhh 17:50:41 do what 17:50:48 use staircases to vacuum up bad guys 17:50:49 to handle in batches 17:50:53 oh 17:50:54 sometimes 17:51:08 i'd probably say hi at this point 17:51:13 i can accept a hi, the alternative was uhhhhhhhhh 17:51:21 it gets more insane 17:51:29 losing all your hp in stair dancing is definitely a "hi" moment 17:53:11 somehow they got much easier right after 17:53:45 hehhehh 17:54:07 for orc high priest and such you might want to use antimagic if you have a good antimagic weapon 17:54:25 trust me i make far poorer decisions than not switching weapon along the way 17:54:43 i like the part where escape hatch 17:55:23 i tried to coordinate this at first 17:55:25 s/ / / 17:55:31 but then 17:56:10 monqy: spoiler the best part is when i stair dance with the wrong upstairs 17:56:11 repeatedly 17:56:18 mmm 17:58:35 i'm very smart 17:58:52 by which i mean 17:58:53 dumb 17:59:13 i think he was giving me a hint 17:59:14 but no 17:59:47 oh man here comes 17:59:48 mm orc:4 17:59:51 one of the best bits 17:59:51 i wonder which ending vault you got 18:00:02 i stairdance.... 18:00:07 you 18:00:10 stairdance into elf 18:00:12 ...with the entrance to the elvish mines 18:00:12 yes 18:00:18 elven halls 18:00:19 whatever 18:00:20 great 18:00:41 must have been fun for the elves 18:01:20 clap 18:01:25 clep 18:02:20 this part is super great 18:02:29 did you see any orc warlords or stone giants or iron trolls 18:02:40 shhhhhh spoilers 18:02:45 ok shhing 18:02:48 but i don't think so 18:02:51 however there's uhh 18:02:57 there's a bit ten times as crazy as this at the end 18:03:08 of the mines 18:03:51 yeah orc:4 has an end vault 18:03:58 i don't just 18:04:00 do the end vault 18:04:00 oh no 18:05:28 i like how more orcs came to the safe place 18:05:52 nowhere is saf 18:06:48 i neglected to consider 18:06:53 that the orcs could go around my throttle 18:07:13 ok i knew it but i thought it just wouldn't be a problem 18:07:14 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: brb). 18:07:21 death by yak... 18:07:27 SPOILERS!!!! 18:07:31 oops shaohiosahiaohsiaoas sorryyy 18:07:49 dont worry "yak" does not even begin to explain the cause of death at hand 18:07:59 monqy: this is where it starts to get brilliant 18:08:00 "18: And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." 18:08:07 what language is this 18:08:15 good language 18:08:27 monqy: wrong stairs again!!! 18:08:53 deliciouse 18:09:02 i like my hp here 18:09:43 not where the stairs are!!! 18:10:07 how did i ever survive that 18:10:11 was the h not pronounced when the earth was created? 18:10:42 monqy: god im really bad at stairs 18:11:02 at least youre alive!!! 18:11:02 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:11:09 (until latwer) 18:12:37 o@o 18:13:08 kobold can't catch a break 18:13:43 -!- graue has joined. 18:14:20 Not so bold now, kobold. 18:14:22 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]). 18:29:02 -!- itidus20 has joined. 18:33:01 -!- tswett_ has joined. 18:37:56 -!- fungot has quit (*.net *.split). 18:37:58 -!- itidus21 has quit (*.net *.split). 18:38:00 -!- tswett has quit (*.net *.split). 18:56:46 -!- nortti has joined. 19:03:34 My opponent has NIGHTLY GARBAGE RUN in his hand, but no eligible cards in his trash, and I intend to keep it that way!! All of his cards are resisted to all of my cards but I might still win 19:04:25 Especially if he doesn't wake up this turn. 19:04:56 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:05:05 "Mmm, now there's an idea: adding syntax coloring to ed... Perhaps we could also build a Lisp interpreter into it?" 19:05:39 s/ed/TECO/ 19:05:50 He did not wake up so now I am nearly guaranteed to win, as long as I do not knock out any of his cards. 19:07:38 Although he can still attempt to retreat even if confused, so I have to be careful about that too. I do have GUST OF WIND so that might help. 19:08:03 "ed's size on my debian box is around 42k." ed 42kB in size!? ed on my box is 6.16kB 19:08:23 nortti: Maybe it is the Haskell version? 19:08:50 zzo38: well I am using the versuon from unix v6 19:09:24 I know that executables for Haskell programs are much larger than C executables 19:09:54 or maybe he just has a very crappy c compiler 19:14:07 I have made my c2bf preprocessor kinda usable (supports #include and #include "path") and my stdio.h has working implementations of getchar,putchar and puts 19:14:50 is there some feature you would really want to see ib c2bf? 19:15:17 nortti: why not just use cpp as the preprocessor? 19:15:38 -!- Ngevd has joined. 19:15:51 Hello! 19:16:42 hi 19:16:53 He does have the ability to save himself (use SWITCH to reactivate KANGHASKHAN [Lv40] and then retreat), but he seems to be blind to that fact 19:17:08 nortti: I cannot even begin to imagine why you are using C2BF for anything. 19:17:10 ais523 because it throws in all kinds of junk that c2bf can't take and system header files don't really work with c2bf 19:18:06 RocketJSquirrel: I use unix v6 ed for coding. Did you get your answer? 19:18:17 nortti: you realise RocketJSquirrel wrote c2bf 19:18:25 no 19:18:55 -!- RocketJSquirrel has changed nick to Gregor. 19:19:12 -NickServ- 13 failed logins since last login. 19:19:13 lol 19:19:22 THERE SHALL BE ONLY ONE GREGOR 19:20:24 Gregor: to put it another way: I like hacking little bit limited stuff 19:21:42 -!- graue has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:21:49 by the way when was c2bf last updated? 19:22:07 Like 2005. 19:22:14 2005!? 19:22:24 Or 2007. 19:22:26 Basically the same year. 19:22:28 Not sure which. 19:23:49 Well I am working on a update. Getting string support is now top priority for me 19:24:06 *an 19:24:19 It has some kind of array support, strings shouldn't be enormously difficult. 19:24:48 It would be easier were you to just implement --C-=C-C-- ;) 19:26:09 elliott: --C-=C-C--? 19:26:18 amazing new esolang by our friend nsqx 19:26:58 * ais523 disapproves of having a single datatype called "void" that can hold more than one value 19:27:21 ANYTHING can be lost in the VOID. 19:27:31 If I simply pass my turn now, I am guaranteed to win. 19:27:44 I don't think it is turing-complete either, due to having linear-bounded memory 19:27:49 ais523: I disapprove of any datatype called "void" with more than zero values 19:28:08 Ngevd: Oh, good point. You should post that on the talk page. 19:28:10 elliott: C's void has one value 19:28:30 ais523: well, technically C doesn't really have a void type at all 19:28:35 but yes, I disapprove of C's abuse of the term "void" 19:29:05 What value? 19:29:29 Deewiant: it's normally assumed to be 0 by analogy with the other types, but a type with one value, it doesn't make sense to say what the value is 19:29:32 as you can't distinguish it from anything 19:29:34 elliott: I am trying to get c2bf to compile itself because I am crazy 19:29:43 ais523: That's pseudoscience. 19:29:53 C crackpottery. 19:30:16 ais523: How can you tell it has even one value? 19:30:16 psuedoprogramming! 19:30:23 Deewiant: because you can return void 19:30:34 no you can't 19:30:38 a type with no values, things that returned that type couldn't return 19:30:48 you can return (with a special form) from a function with return type void 19:30:52 but it doesn't ever acutally return a value 19:30:59 actually, you could make a good case that C's void _does_ have 0 values 19:31:02 Actually in C, void just means the lack of a type, as far as I can tell 19:31:03 elliott: in that case, there are a huge number of special cases for void 19:31:05 but that C means something different by the usual function arrow 19:31:11 e.g. a ? b : c works fine with b and c being void 19:31:26 Hmm 19:31:29 I defer to Deewiant 19:31:46 ais523: But that ?: has no value. 19:32:03 Gregor: it has the same value as all other void things 19:32:24 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:32:27 Right. None. You can't put it anywhere. You can't store, use, compare or even cast it. 19:32:58 hmm, can you take its address? 19:33:02 No. 19:33:08 void* exists as a type, but I don't think you can get a void object to take the address of 19:33:14 Right. 19:33:22 And you can't dereference a void*. 19:33:24 ais523: aha 19:33:25 right 19:33:28 you can't dereference a (void *) 19:33:35 but you can cast it to another pointer and dereference that 19:33:37 /I/ can, I don't know about you :) 19:33:38 ais523: The type void* means a pointer to something that it does not specify the type, so "void" is in place of the type 19:33:38 thus, void must have no values 19:33:44 ais523: no, you can't 19:33:44 goto *(void*)0 19:33:47 oh 19:33:48 that's cheating 19:34:31 Hey, new esolang 19:34:31 I know 19:34:38 Ngevd: is it by NSQX? 19:34:41 nope 19:34:52 oh, hey, Aardwolf! I haven't seen you in here before 19:35:09 hi elliott 19:35:15 Aardwolf: it's only TC given an infinite program 19:35:26 * elliott is worr- heh 19:35:31 I was about to say just what ais523 was going to say 19:36:28 Also erroneously Turing-complete? 19:37:00 *labelled as 19:37:24 Is a desktop computer considered Turing-complete? 19:37:32 no, it has finite memory 19:37:32 Aardwolf: no, it doesn't have access to infinite storage 19:37:40 ais523: stop stealing my thoughts 19:37:55 it's what's known as a "bounded-storage machine", a machine where lack of storage is the only obstacle to TCness 19:38:10 If a language specifies no limits, is it not infinite then? 19:38:21 Linear-bounded 19:38:59 What makes Brainfuck Turing complete then? 19:39:02 A language not specifying limits may or may not be TC, but at least isn't assured not to be. 19:39:17 Brainfuck can access infinite area in a finite program 19:39:27 I see 19:39:40 +[>+], for example 19:39:40 Aardwolf: You are Lode Vandevenne, isn't it? I used your LodePNG library in my TeXnicard program. 19:39:47 Yes, in that case, it's actually not Turing complete 19:39:53 zzo38, cool :D 19:39:55 The language Brainfuck-as-interpreted-by-your-favorite-Brainfuck-interpreter-running-on-a-real-computer is not TC. 19:40:37 The language Brainfuck is TC. 19:40:55 Aardwolf: It'd be possible to make such a CA-type thing TC by providing a way to expand the field. 19:41:07 Game of Life patterns can construct things dynamically, which is why it's TC 19:42:17 elliott: indeed; the most popular method to achieve TCness is to have infinite storage; the second most popular is to have some method of increasing the storage from within the program 19:42:31 Yep, I got it, thanks for explaining it! I thought, if it's similar to a PC, it's TC, but a PC also can't magically expand its RAM so... :) 19:42:34 * ais523 used infinite rather than unbounded intentionally 19:42:39 I think, in Uniquode, I'm gonna make ℒ execute STDIN as a brainfuck program 19:42:40 Maybe *your* PC can't! 19:42:43 elliott, ais523: Is that usefully distinct from having infinite storage? 19:42:49 Gregor: Yes. 19:42:53 Consider a BF derivative with wrapping tape. 19:42:58 And an instruction to add a new 0 byte to the tape. 19:43:01 (Wrapping on both ends) 19:43:37 I don't mean "is there a difference between these two classes of languages," I mean "is there any useful knowledge to be gained by distinguishing them." 19:44:44 Gregor: TCness proofs are often easier distinguishing them 19:45:07 an expandable-storage language isn't going to be able to simulate an infinite-storage language directly, you'll need to automatically add expands at appropriate places 19:45:31 consider the language where every program of length n is given BB(n) memory 19:45:33 this came up in the MiniMAX proof, where someone asked why I didn't just use an existing BF derivative rather than inventing my own with an explicit expand command 19:46:11 oklopol: haha, cute 19:46:33 ais523: infinite-storage is like GC for expandable-storage machines, or something 19:46:37 yes 19:46:45 oklopol: ouch 19:46:50 now I'm trying to work out if that's TC 19:47:07 I guess it is, by definition, and possibly points out problems with the definition… 19:47:11 you can't write a UTM simulator in it, no? 19:47:25 elliott: you can, if it runs out of memory you go into an infinite loop 19:47:30 well, if it runs out of memory and detects it, it could just loop forever without doing anything. 19:47:38 it's not BF-complete, though 19:47:39 hmm, right 19:47:41 gah 19:47:45 this language is of the devil 19:47:50 then if only the result after program stops is used for tcness considerations, it's just as tc as it originally was. 19:48:14 oklopol: you're meant to use your powers for _good_ 19:48:14 but if source given to it is infinite in size? 19:48:17 :D 19:48:21 -!- impomatic has joined. 19:48:36 BB? 19:48:40 busy beaver 19:48:48 Ah 19:48:49 nortti: infinite programs don't exist 19:48:58 `addquote gah this language is of the devil oklopol: you're meant to use your powers for _good_ 19:49:02 845) gah this language is of the devil oklopol: you're meant to use your powers for _good_ 19:49:05 `quote 19:49:07 `quote 19:49:08 `quote 19:49:10 `quote 19:49:11 `quote 19:49:14 `quote 19:49:15 Not this again 19:49:18 484) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly 19:49:18 mine will be the best 19:49:18 proof: no program prints chaitin's constant. if we have infinite programs, then putchar a; putchar b; ... can print chaitin's constant 19:49:20 yes this again 19:49:20 402) [on spiking] drugs are expensive. It would be a waste to use them on a random stranger. 19:49:21 842) (help why are german) i play the german version of crawl i 19:49:22 quot erat sdfghjk 19:49:24 317) elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. 19:49:30 Busy Beavers? Dewdney wrote something about those... 19:49:33 elliott: start is ptogram and rest is padding 19:49:36 `delquote 317 19:49:41 824) coleridge and 19:49:41 558) Also Perl, but I don't really consider that a programming language so much as a really heavy implementatino of awk 19:49:44 elliott: this is why I invented 1cnis, to allow for infinite programs that don't have that sort of problem 19:49:44 ​*poof* elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. 19:49:56 elliott: agreed, although 824 isn't too great either 19:49:57 Is fastcc better? 19:49:59 coleridge and was one of the voice recognition ones 19:50:04 elliott: that's kind of a silly proof :D 19:50:05 (I mean, the fastcc in LLVM) 19:50:06 ais523: it's better than the ten that follow it 19:50:13 elliott: oh dear… 19:50:15 oklopol: sorry if you can't handle my LOGIC 19:50:19 `pastequotes 19:50:22 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29698 19:51:32 cellular automata are pretty much given infinite programs 19:52:04 If anyone is feeling generous, I'd quite like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110862346333#ht_542wt_1270 19:52:08 oklopol, with a finite region non-default 19:52:24 what does that mean? 19:52:39 oh you mean periodic outside a finite region 19:52:44 Yeah 19:52:44 impomatic: if I buy that, do you end up indebted to me for life? 19:52:56 well no that's not true 19:52:58 i mean i figure someone's soul is probably worth at least 261 euros 19:53:01 see any of our papers 19:53:03 elliott: "indebted for life" doesn't really work, that just implies that he never pays the debt back 19:53:14 If we all chip in 5 euros, no problem 19:53:15 ais523: :'( 19:53:22 what /is/ it/ 19:53:26 elliott: yes, what ais523 said :-) 19:53:34 Ibtlfmm could be made to compile into Haskell but it wouldn't work well because of some optimizations which are not allowed in Haskell and that an interpreter would be difficult too 19:53:45 impomatic: you're a terrible debtor! 19:53:46 or 19:53:47 debtee 19:53:47 As long as I don't have to pay the debt in the afterlife... 19:53:48 whichever it is 19:53:49 Ngevd: I don't have any euros 19:53:50 impomatic: would pirated ebook versions suffice? 19:53:58 Would a photograph suffice? 19:54:05 Because 19:54:07 I have a photograph. 19:54:13 zzo38, can you get any in the next minute? 19:54:16 A photograph of what? 19:54:20 The books. 19:54:22 Ngevd: No. 19:54:23 a spider with seven legs? 19:54:23 impomatic: Here you go: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODYzWDEyODA=/$(KGrHqVHJ!8E-E7jRHUzBPi)jpt8uw~~60_12.JPG 19:54:33 also, what a bizarre URL 19:54:38 60 seconds, guys!!! 19:54:39 (my client won't parse $ as part of an URL, incidentally) 19:54:58 Ngevd: usually, you study the set of all infinite inputs, but yeah sometimes you restrict to periodic or finite (+ unary outside). 19:55:04 30s 19:55:07 i get a great deal of joy from metaphorically and hypothetically hunting ebooks online 19:55:12 i wonder if i could even enter my details in that amount of time 19:55:16 maybe i should try 19:55:17 Even if I did have euros I would have no way to pay them within the next minute. 19:55:23 *10s 19:55:25 not minute 19:55:31 2s 19:55:33 1 second HURRY UP GUYS 19:55:41 oklopol, hmm 19:55:44 OK, now you'll have to bid on it with Feather 19:55:51 Haha the forth books jumped in price during the last 3 seconds 19:55:57 elliott: Feather doesn't work like that 19:56:02 ais523: That's what you always say. 19:56:02 you'd have to put a bid of $0 on 19:56:04 who wants books that badly? 19:56:08 I don't think you even believe it yourself. 19:56:10 then retroactively increase it to something larger 19:56:40 friggen geeks 19:56:46 -!- tswett_ has changed nick to tswett. 19:56:58 wow.. thats in euros 19:57:15 so thats a fuckton of money for secondhand books 19:58:00 Ngevd: but usually you study undecidability of questions. 19:58:21 how exciting..... 19:58:21 well okay then there's the people who like tcness proofs, and do things like universal CA 19:58:36 I could probably put the same collection together for less... I checked Amazon, Abebooks, eBay to figure out how much to bid. 19:58:37 One day, I hope to understand all this. 19:58:38 i'm not really into that 19:59:14 impomatic: how much do you think the collection should have been worth? 19:59:35 there aren't really any books on CA, so it may be a bit hard to get into it 20:00:04 To me, it's worth just over 100 euros. Some of the books on Amazon etc are overpriced. 20:00:06 sure there are.. 20:00:21 theres books on everything 20:00:36 well i'm not aware of one that contains any useful data 20:00:42 oh 20:00:44 useful >.< 20:00:50 One of the books was listed for $150 or so, but it doesn't mean anyone would pay. 20:01:51 well there are at least two books about ca, wolfram's book called "pretty pictures of CA and a boring undecidability proof in the appendix", and then some other guy's book which looked stupid. 20:02:00 http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+Recursive+Universe+by+William+Poundstone 20:02:19 oklopol: ANKOS contains at least one incorrect proof 20:02:30 and I got to tell Wolfram about that over the phone :) 20:02:40 although I'd worked out a fix for it, so it wasn't a disaster 20:03:16 oklopol: on this list you can see that many exist.. but i assume most are not useful from this chat http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=cellular+automata 20:04:00 "Provides a comprehensive treatment of all the techniques in nonlinear dynamics together with C++, Java and SymbolicC++ implementations." 20:04:11 implementations? 20:05:04 well that's a lot of books, i have no idea if all of them suck :D 20:05:09 for the scavenger such books tend to exist free.. but i know i am not among people who would stoop so low 20:05:28 at least there isn't one that people suggest as reading material if you want to get into CA. 20:05:29 perhaps p 20:05:31 erm 20:05:37 oklopol: ok cool.. so you genuinely didn't realize ... so thats good... 20:05:47 i showed someone something novel 20:05:51 perhaps because afaiu most people think CA are a dying field. 20:06:16 CA? 20:06:22 Cellular Automaton 20:06:25 (i strongly disagree, it's the best) 20:06:35 adaiu? 20:06:39 afaiu, rather? 20:06:51 as damningly as i update 20:07:03 wje 20:07:07 Do you like the flaw/feats I have selected in the Dungeons&Dragons game? 20:07:17 wje :/ 20:07:22 -!- pikhq has joined. 20:07:28 oklopol: growing up.. i didnt know any books existed... simply being aware that some resource exists can be a great thing 20:07:32 . 20:07:42 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:07:50 most people only find out that books exist when they turn 20 or so 20:07:58 I was lucky, only took me until 13 20:08:12 ais523: when did you realise that books existed? 20:08:49 itidus20, if that's normal for Australia I'm glad I got out when I did 20:09:05 elliott: much earlier than that, we used books in school 20:09:22 I have alway known that books exist. Am I normal? 20:09:29 whats books 20:09:30 lol 20:09:30 ais523: lucky! 20:09:33 nortti: is anyone in this channel normal? 20:09:35 nortti: no. you're probably going to die 20:09:41 ais523: Not quite 20:09:44 it's usually fatal to be exposed to books before 3 years of age 20:09:55 monqy: it's okay, adults are speaking 20:10:08 zzo38: who in this channel is almost normal? 20:10:11 We are all a bit crazy 20:10:21 itidus20: well there are a lot of research papers that are suggested for reading, which i am aware of. 20:10:42 ais523: vorpal 20:10:43 fungot is pretty normal 20:10:53 But he's offline 20:10:59 fizzie, poke fungot 20:11:09 oh now papers exist 20:11:17 my universe is expanding rapidly 20:11:29 :D 20:11:39 dear god i hope there is nothing else 20:11:42 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/130033/how-to-use-an-account-after-puppet-sock-punishment-action 20:12:22 hmm 20:12:25 the day after i subscribed to the arxiv mailing list was when i realized papers most definitely exist. 20:12:25 elliott: the answer is entirely correct and sensible 20:12:43 ais523: yes, it's the other part that isn't 20:12:48 the trouble with research papers is that you need an extra level of comprehension to read them beyond books 20:12:54 uhh.. beyond most books 20:12:56 elliott: indeed 20:13:07 * elliott wonders if anyone has asked anything similar on Wikipedia 20:13:12 and also how little CA stuff is being done, unless you count the papers of our group, there has been one paper on CA, and oh god how we laughed at it 20:13:17 "What is the best way to avoid an IP block from Wikipedia?" 20:13:18 What is PUPPET-SOCKing? 20:13:27 ion: Like sockpuppeting, but inside out. 20:13:39 Instead of one person controlling multiple accounts, multiple accounts control one person. 20:13:47 lol 20:13:54 It also seems to involve shouting. 20:14:14 in soviet russia, sock wears you as puppet 20:15:24 cottonsock47 has been banned for being a human puppet. 20:16:00 elliott: err, huh? 20:16:24 ais523: Yes. 20:16:30 ais523: Welcome to America. 20:17:00 Why is it 9 pm? 20:17:24 elliott, Welcome to the UK 20:17:24 ais523: Why isn't it not 9 pm? 20:17:30 @time australia 20:17:35 @time where ngevd used to be 20:17:37 @time monqy 20:17:37 Local time for where is Mon Apr 23 06:17:34 2012 20:17:39 Local time for monqy is Sun Apr 22 13:17:37 2012 20:17:44 @time Melbounre 20:17:45 @time Melboune 20:17:46 monqy: Can I come over there? 20:17:48 @time Melbourne 20:17:50 can't spell 20:17:58 I don't think @time accepts time zones 20:18:00 can you fly 20:18:00 @time UTC 20:18:04 monqy: Yes 20:18:09 -!- elliott has changed nick to BST. 20:18:12 ais523: Try now. 20:18:13 @time BST 20:18:15 Local time for BST is 2012-04-22 20:18:14 +0000 20:18:20 Whoops. 20:18:20 meanwhile, where will be wondering why they got a random CTCP TIME… 20:18:23 It has an off-by-one error. 20:18:30 -!- BST has changed nick to UTC. 20:18:30 Someone please explain to me how lol is an appropriate response here? http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/sk5fj/nothing_on_the_internet_prepared_me_for_this/c4fbe0b?context=3 20:18:32 @time UTC 20:18:32 glorious :) 20:18:33 Local time for UTC is 2012-04-22 20:18:32 +0000 20:18:33 Local time for UTC is 2012-04-22 20:18:32 +0000 20:18:39 wat 20:18:40 -!- UTC has changed nick to elliott. 20:18:43 why did it reply twice? 20:18:44 Sgeo: why are you browsing reddit 20:18:46 Sgeo: lol 20:18:49 Local time for Melbourne is 6:18 AM 20:18:49 Sgeo: why are you browsing /r/funny 20:18:57 Sgeo: what's reddit, what's /r/funny 20:18:58 -!- itidus20 has changed nick to Melbourne. 20:19:08 @time Melbourne 20:19:09 Local time for Melbourne is Mon Apr 23 06:18:45 20:19:09 Local time for Melbourne is Mon Apr 23 06:18:45 20:19:11 the great thing about /r/funny is that nothing in it is funny and everyone is terrible 20:19:13 -!- thutubot has joined. 20:19:19 -!- Melbourne has changed nick to itidus20. 20:19:20 that's funny 20:19:21 @time Melbourne 20:19:27 :( 20:19:28 @time thutubot 20:19:29 TIME 20:19:38 thanks thutubot 20:19:40 [CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-TIME request from thutubot to Channel #esoteric. 20:19:42 thutubot 20:19:42 huh? 20:19:43 thutubot 20:19:48 monqy 20:19:49 were 20:19:49 That's... special, thutubot 20:19:50 bound forever now 20:19:51 by jinx 20:19:52 my time isnt perfect.. but its close enogh 20:19:53 oh no 20:19:56 oh, ofc 20:20:01 thutubot's still probably doing /that/ 20:20:07 oh 20:20:08 /that/ 20:20:08 that's the reason I brought it here in the first place 20:20:11 of course 20:20:18 @time elliott 20:20:19 Local time for elliott is 2012-04-22 20:20:18 +0000 20:20:19 Local time for elliott is 2012-04-22 20:20:18 +0000 20:20:23 ohh 20:20:29 wait 20:20:30 i still dont understand 20:20:33 why did lambdabot say it twice 20:20:42 elliott, that's not lambdabot 20:20:45 it was 20:20:49 earlier, Sgeo 20:20:53 Oh 20:21:12 * ais523 notes that repeating everything lambdabot says is actually thutubot's main use nowadays 20:21:17 oh, and doing Underload when fungot isn't here 20:21:22 on that note: fungot isn't here 20:21:58 > hello 20:21:59 Not in scope: `hello' 20:21:59 Not in scope: `hello' 20:22:02 :o 20:22:17 `pastelogs [l]ocaltime 20:22:49 No output. 20:22:51 `pastelogs [l]ocaltime 20:23:12 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11695 20:23:16 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 20:23:19 `? thutubot 20:23:22 thutubot? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 20:23:38 i... i didn't think that out very well 20:23:39 elliott: here's another good one: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/95207/how-does-a-stack-overflow-moderator-know-about-sockpuppets 20:23:48 `pastelogs localtime 20:23:55 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1382 20:24:14 ok i'll leave it alone 20:25:32 ais523: haha, wow 20:26:01 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 20:26:46 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:27:11 "KKK If i m cheater then it is not the law to punish others ... !!!!" 20:27:15 Their logic is infallible. 20:27:22 +quit 20:27:32 * ais523 frowns at thutubot 20:27:34 @qu— wait, that would actually work if I did it. 20:27:35 Unknown command, try @list 20:27:35 -!- thutubot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:28:18 In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have selected the flaw called "Weak Combatant" and the feat called "Favored Mercy (Aberration)" 20:28:50 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:29:35 Quick, what's "You're welcome" in Swedish? 20:29:57 Damn, too late 20:30:18 oij lkjojo 20:30:50 "Welcome" is "välkommen", not sure how the "you're" would be added idiomatically. 20:30:57 oik ljk 20:31:23 you don't usually add "you're" at all, it's just välkommen 20:31:27 Thanks 20:31:46 Ngevd: Your welcome. 20:31:55 ur well come 20:32:01 Of course, if you wanted the response to "thanks", it's "var så god". 20:32:13 Yes, that would be preferred 20:32:14 ("Fuck the lord") 20:32:22 (Swedish is weird.) 20:32:41 fuck the lord? 20:32:43 Yes. 20:32:46 Vvar, fuck. 20:32:52 Evidently written together, according to Wiktionary. O_o 20:32:53 så, the. 20:32:56 god, lord. 20:33:14 Deewiant: "Written together"? 20:33:21 "varsågod" 20:33:24 Oh. 20:33:33 Well, if you enunciate too clearly, the old religious people beat you up. 20:33:37 Such is life in Sweden. 20:34:46 Deewiant: In Finnish of course you don't have this problem, not because your language has fewer profanities, or because your country has fewer old religious people, but instead because you never talk. 20:35:17 Yes. 20:35:18 This reminds 20:35:19 me 20:36:10 -!- MoALTz has joined. 20:36:14 In a couple of years, I may need to learn enough Finnish to pass as a Finnish beggar in Lund, Sweden 20:36:18 in finnish, when someone says thanks, i usually say "mm" 20:36:28 or nod 20:36:44 Yes, it's normal to have such strange reflex responses to something unknown, like people being polite. 20:36:53 or people talking you 20:37:01 Finnish people are often diagnosed with PTSD after going to the shops. 20:37:07 +to you 20:37:25 olsner: Or people talking you to you? 20:37:46 you to people to you talking you to tou 20:37:48 Ngevd: why? 20:38:00 oklopol, shenanigans 20:38:02 elliott: or something 20:38:55 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:40:07 monqy: goodbay 20:40:31 i will miss you all in heaven ~~~> 20:40:33 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:41:07 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 20:43:12 "The BHCT claim that Lane's rogue suicide prevention efforts endanger the lives of the people trying to kill themselves. " 20:44:23 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 20:44:34 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:44:58 -!- augur_ has joined. 20:45:38 nortti: surely the question is as to whether it makes them more or less likely to end up dead 20:46:17 Is this those nets that I heard about? 20:46:27 -!- Lumpio_ has joined. 20:47:30 I think they should be allowed to select the method of their death, such as, scientific experiments, war, being eaten, losing at Washizu mahjong, etc 20:47:33 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:47:45 "It's either an insane anarchy symbol or a symbol for a highly educated Satan." 20:47:57 -!- MoALTz has joined. 20:48:23 The government just wants to get paid a lot of taxes. 20:50:57 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:51:09 nortti: What are you refering to? 20:51:43 zzo38: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/3/7/5/126375.jpg?v=1 20:52:55 It doesn't look like those things to me 20:53:45 "Their long-term goal is to completely rewrite the yeast genome, officially meaning that scientists aren't just playing God but taking over from where the last guy left off." 20:53:53 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: brb). 20:54:09 zzo38: it is a quote 20:54:23 OK 20:54:43 -!- augur has quit (*.net *.split). 20:54:44 -!- Lumpio- has quit (*.net *.split). 20:54:47 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 20:55:38 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: *.net *.split). 20:55:55 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:56:32 'if you asked a computer to design a life-form to survive the anti-life equation of a continent that is Australia, it would never say, "Weld a duck to a beaver after filling both with poison."' 20:57:05 -!- Frooxius has joined. 20:57:32 nortti: Are you sure? The computer might be programmed to be crazy too 20:58:06 -!- TheFogg has joined. 20:58:45 Can you make a quiz about esolang using this format gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0quiz.menu*c and then send it to sprunge, and then send it to gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net/7quiz.menu*B 21:00:47 there are other people still using gopher? 21:01:35 nortti: Yes there is a bit, including Floodgap they will tell you the list of all the gopher servers they know, which are hundreds 21:02:23 I know about floodgap. It is fron page on overbite android 21:03:05 *front 21:05:28 You did not just seriously post a gopher:// URL 21:05:38 Lumpio_: Actually I did 21:06:22 Lumpio_: zzo38 is quite a gopher fan 21:08:28 Lumpio_: weren't you who said that no one uses gopher anymore 21:09:28 Yes. 21:09:36 I guess that would imply zzo38 is a no-one. 21:10:36 I think I am double no one. I have written a few gopher clients and servers 21:10:50 I have also written a few gopher clients and servers 21:11:02 Lumpio_: try doing a web search for zzo38 (or "zzo38 OR zzo38computer", as he recommends) 21:11:44 You may occasionally find impostors and unrelated things but you can find relevant things too 21:12:36 I wrote two gopher client programs, one for Windows and one for UNIX; I have also written two gopher server programs, one in BASIC and one in C. 21:13:30 zzo38: was the one for unix written in shell scripts 21:13:47 nortti: Yes. 21:14:19 -!- Lumpio_ has changed nick to Lumpio-. 21:15:28 I'd like to see it. I have also written one in shell scripts, but it wasn't really that usable 21:15:51 -!- TheFogg has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:16:39 -!- MoALTz has joined. 21:17:02 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:17:31 I could do with a Gopher client, but the only thing I'd do with it is stalk zzo38 21:17:37 So I think I'd better not 21:17:52 nortti: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/bashgopher/bashgopher (I wrote it using MinGW; it does work on Linux too with minor modifications) 21:18:24 If you want gopher client on Windows: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/visgopher/visgopher.exe source-codes: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/visgopher/visgopher_src.zip 21:19:27 nortti: I want to see a one you have too 21:19:39 -!- fungot has joined. 21:19:43 "Component 'MSCOMCTL.OCX' or one of its dependencies not currently registered: a file is missing or invalid" 21:19:46 Advice? 21:19:53 ^style 21:19:53 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 21:19:59 Ngevd: Simply find a copy of that file which can be downloaded (possibly from Microsoft) 21:20:31 zzo38: I'll send it when I get to my computer (on my cellphone right now) 21:20:42 nortti: OK 21:21:09 have you used gophervr? 21:21:20 nortti: I have read about it. 21:21:39 it is pretty intetesting 21:21:54 still not as good as lynx 21:23:16 Nah, it's not liking me 21:23:17 :/ 21:23:28 MAYBE SOME OTHER DAY I WILL VISIT ZZO38'S GOPHER PAGE 21:23:36 Hm? 21:23:37 lynx supports gopher? 21:23:55 neat, indeed it does 21:24:03 Ngevd: I can try to make a proper installer to see if that works better 21:24:05 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 21:24:16 Now I can brag to all my friends about having used gopher 21:24:20 zzo38, if you're not too busy 21:24:30 Lumpio-: lynx supports EVERYTHING!! 21:24:42 nortti: Does it support WebGL? 21:24:56 Lumpio-, if that's something to brag about... you have friends? 21:25:01 everything IMPORTANT 21:25:14 Ngevd: I have... IRC friends .__. 21:25:38 Wait a minute, why is there a thing called "furryscript" in here 21:26:03 Lumpio-: Furryscript is the name of a programming language 21:26:15 Are you a furry? 21:26:31 A description is found here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript 21:26:45 Wait a minute, you have a gopher proxy for Stack Overflow!? 21:26:52 Lumpio-: I don't consider it, but perhaps somewhat 21:26:59 Lumpio-: Yes I do have 21:27:01 qawsedrftgyhujikolp 21:27:11 You, sir, are awesome. 21:27:27 zzo38, do you go bouldering from time to time? 21:27:45 Ngevd: I do not even know what that means, probably not 21:28:06 It's a style of rock-climbing 21:28:27 Without ropes, a small climb, with crash pad 21:28:28 s 21:28:46 I almost never go to rock-climbing 21:28:53 http://www.reddit.com/user/munkystargate 21:29:01 I think this person is either stupid or a troll 21:29:09 Likely the latter 21:29:21 I believe there are very few actually stupid people 21:29:43 "Multi-licensed with Creative Communism" 21:29:55 Also, why is my surname on that page 21:29:59 Also also, goodnight 21:30:03 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: goodnight). 21:31:38 I believe most people are actually stupid. 21:32:27 zzo38: do you really use netcat to communicate over IRC 21:32:37 nortti: I used to; now I use PHIRC 21:33:06 was it hard to respond to pings? 21:33:15 nortti: A bit 21:34:36 I haven't really used IRC with netcat not counting the one time I used it to study how IRC protocol works 21:35:34 ...I've used telnet to IRC from Windows at times 21:35:44 I don't know why I didn't just use a web client. 21:36:47 I use irssi 21:37:06 Irssi's mighty fine 21:37:10 http://codu.org/rawirc.c 21:37:14 Best way to raw IRC. 21:37:56 I also use irssi on my computer 21:38:48 I switched from Irssi to WeeChat. 21:41:00 1988 Crystal Light National Aerobic Championship Opening http://youtu.be/ozoTzkCeO-A 21:42:33 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: nortti). 21:44:57 `words --french 21:45:05 ctme 21:45:26 `words --french 50 21:45:32 priege albenfisse hûraissentiel untortain énolo asses sanie punisain asil epison ensement reiona pahomo dreursumino galiseignera conifcurt lehesneaux lacées sofnou maliti stel dina defolic filmander revena 21:46:57 -!- mylvari has joined. 21:47:44 -!- nvt has joined. 21:48:25 -!- nortti has joined. 21:56:47 @ping 21:57:09 hi 22:05:29 -!- Aardwolf has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:06:38 -!- nortti has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:14:05 I have made setup program now: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/visgopher/Setup.exe 22:21:01 bleh, the appropriate channels are being useless, so I'll ask #esoteric instead 22:21:21 does anyone know what needs to be done to a chroot, to be able to connect to a postgresql database (that's outside the chroot) from inside it? 22:21:31 -!- mylvari has quit (Quit: ^_^). 22:21:35 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]). 22:22:59 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:23:31 -!- augur has joined. 22:24:08 -!- derdon_ has joined. 22:26:21 -!- lambdabot has joined. 22:27:07 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:27:45 I love when foods label themselves "98% fat free" 22:27:55 Also known as "2% fat" 22:29:19 better than 100% fat, hey 22:29:32 monqy: unless it's something like butter that's intended to be 100% fat 22:29:43 Was just about to say what ais523 just said ;) 22:29:49 If I'm buying a tub of lard, it'd better be 100% fat. 22:30:06 OK, so how do I make a socket-on-filesystem? 22:30:26 ais523: Do whatever the Hurd does, and then don't do that. 22:36:45 Isn't butter an emulsion of water in oil? 22:36:55 Thus, still not 100% fat 22:38:43 -!- impomatic has left. 22:40:48 -!- derdon_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:46:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:55:20 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:56:01 -!- augur has joined. 23:12:09 Madoka-Kaname: That's why I went with lard.