< 1335139452 172369 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here know more about low-level x86 legacy junk than I do? < 1335139525 600700 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FTdG If so, tell me why this isn't working. < 1335139659 468973 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems you're writing a bootloader. Did you know there are many bootloaders that work perfectly fine, and enable you to skip the boring parts of building stuff that runs without an OS? < 1335139668 636183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the disk addressing is wrong < 1335139682 916698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do heads and cylinders start at 0 or 1, for instance? < 1335139691 531244 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: All but sectors are 0-indexed. < 1335139734 749856 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: This is like saying "It seems you're writing a kernel. Did you know there are many kernels that work perfectly fine?" < 1335139747 43131 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a kernel is fun. < 1335139802 452199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing the x86 bootup sequence with "you get 32k loaded at 0x10000" is aesthetically pleasing. < 1335139860 843909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is knowing all the code running since the BIOS lost control. < 1335139889 162431 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, BIOS OK, bootloader not :) < 1335139901 108978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BIOS is unavoidable. < 1335139929 145510 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not if you can fit a disk driver into 510 bytes! < 1335139948 902433 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write your own BIOS code! < 1335139959 824521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: The BIOS is still going to run before your bootloader. < 1335139979 232378 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suppose in theory I *could*, but that is machine-specific hell. < 1335140001 384831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only thing you know for certain *there* is that the instruction pointer is at 0x0800:0. < 1335140031 727618 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, flash your own bios! < 1335140081 960685 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only read about BIOS development once, and I heard it's not very easy. < 1335140107 759591 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware manufacturers are lowest-cost bastards. < 1335140126 867199 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never knew how much the BIOS actually does < 1335140142 145645 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some people hacked a C compiler to generate code that runs in the CPU cache < 1335140152 238080 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just some remedial hardware initialisation and a lot of legacy junk. < 1335140152 625088 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because the BIOS has to initialize the main memory controller before the memory can be used < 1335140171 98011 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's called "overengineering". < 1335140506 348016 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyways is your thing crashing at the disk read or < 1335140697 432194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work in bochs, whatever that means < 1335141263 373301 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1335141322 485755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You might as well ask why they don't have touchdowns in baseball, or why they don't have a "royal flush" in tennis." Are you going to make a baseball with touchdown and a tennis with royal flush? < 1335143672 379505 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: No, it's just not jumping into my code right. < 1335143675 267304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hmm. < 1335143678 508295 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a qemu bug? < 1335143844 568859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept, unless qemu is horrifically broken, this should work... < 1335143858 820726 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be a BIOS bug if it works in bochs, seeing as qemu uses the same BIOS. < 1335144039 962445 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout VBox? :) < 1335144100 821618 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode should allow Unicode nicks ... < 1335144107 869903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VBox has a retarded interface, making it nontrivial to just go "run this disk image kthx" < 1335144249 541446 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does bochs, for that matter. < 1335144302 316254 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can also start bochs with the -q option to skip these menus." < 1335144305 510104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niiice, bochs. < 1335144313 658801 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I passed -q to you! < 1335144395 691448 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What debugger are you using < 1335144442 892222 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, because there god-damned isn't a sane asm debugger. < 1335144478 509763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bochs appears to be horrifically broken on my system. < 1335144482 409403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/bochs/plugins/libbx_x.so: undefined symbol: XpmCreatePixmapFromData < 1335144538 61098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, I think it should be ASCII according to RFC < 1335144688 889212 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How did you determine it's not jumping into your code right < 1335144738 91926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't see the single side effect my code has, writing 'A' to the screen. < 1335144795 644014 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/04/22/university-of-florida-eliminates-computer-science-department-increases-athletic-budgets-hmm/ < 1335144796 424205 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it write it to the screen? Did you try writing something before the jump out of the bootloader? < 1335144802 245806 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...could you paste the code it loads? < 1335144862 688123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ITAD < 1335145074 189496 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, mixed hex syntax < 1335145088 368736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also would like to have a custom BIOS in PC; one which uses the PC BIOS functions (both the old and new ones) but has Forth interpreter built-in, which can be used to configure the BIOS and to allow the computer to function even without an operating system. In addition, it should implement: terminal by serial port, telnet, TFTP, and download an operating system to RAM to run, to install from internet in that way. < 1335145195 787263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Have you figured out the Pokemon Card puzzle better now? (First and/or second file) < 1335145208 174221 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't really looked at it < 1335145249 656438 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd probably try writing directly into the display memory instead of using BIOS calls < 1335145254 297035 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just in case something messed it up < 1335145314 70872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: If you want the hint then I can provide some if asked; the (incorrect) solution you gave is what everyone (other than coppro) has said, too. < 1335145340 196616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, you can write directly into the display memory which is usually how I do it too < 1335145385 738009 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also takes less code) < 1335145403 545212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Ugh, writing to specific addresses in real mode. :P < 1335145416 330075 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy :P < 1335145432 180124 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what 32 bits and protected mode is for ~ < 1335145454 755565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also unreal mode < 1335145480 17575 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 64 bit mode! < 1335145800 781029 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, did it and it doesn't work. < 1335145805 9243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it works before the jump. < 1335145868 64709 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you making your disk image, got a makefile? < 1335145879 253152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IhFW < 1335145944 708451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have partially written an operating system for PC, but I have currently abandoned work on it (and might never continue); but you can look at it if you want to. < 1335145996 175888 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to qemu's memory inspection, there's nothing but null at 0x10000. < 1335146015 941123 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems quite strange. < 1335146072 599037 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made memory management and multiprocessing but then I got bored. < 1335146183 52243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I genuinely got nothing here. < 1335146419 72175 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where the stack starts if you don't set sp < 1335146477 739005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: sp is set by the BIOS to 256 bytes above the end of your bootloader. < 1335146495 806878 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1335146500 112939 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How nice of it < 1335146539 320566 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335146679 740571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a short MBR code which you can use if you want to. < 1335146775 907285 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, I found one of my own too < 1335146810 849337 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a kernel is fin < 1335146904 276281 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it seems to do the exact same thing < 1335146970 601158 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: What differences even exist? < 1335147062 680023 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well mine is dumb and assumes disk0 < 1335147093 855603 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it doesn't bother with byte movs and just sets full registers but < 1335147222 21929 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and there's no jmp at the start < 1335147321 61314 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I see what it is. < 1335147339 135007 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: qemu borks on just catting stuff together. < 1335147348 827922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a 1.44M image makes it work. < 1335147369 244572 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1335147394 409076 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't like if you read past the image (even if it's emulating a floppy) < 1335147403 387820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1335147426 285554 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd at least print a warning... < 1335147629 954927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you just assume disk0? < 1335147682 312351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't. :) < 1335148913 655982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another programming language I wanted to invent, other than Ibtlfmm, is one which combines C, LLVM, and BLISS. Do you have any suggestion for name? Probably I could implement it more easily, and possibly in Haskell; but it will compile into LLVM < 1335150176 337055 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to figure out why the heck I can't get into protected mode. < 1335150186 13864 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear qemu: infinite reboot loop? Not helpful. < 1335150720 230288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have had that problem too; the problem is that the example code to enter protected mode has a mistake in it. < 1335150766 678362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh? < 1335150818 577734 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do seagulls keep attacking me :( < 1335150833 578193 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other birds < 1335150926 187274 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean yeah i do want to tear their wing out and grind them into featherpudding, but that's only due to the previous attacks. < 1335150932 74166 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wings < 1335151153 539074 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is pretty much every time i see seagulls, and once some bigger bird decided i was oh so totally delicious) < 1335151165 68348 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/dNQU Further ideas? < 1335151367 844707 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's because you bathe in fish carcasses every morning. < 1335151423 507873 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: those gulls are ones i fed some bread to at a picnic years ago... < 1335151467 796669 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1335151473 751425 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aöslkdfj < 1335151476 131425 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :| .. life has grown considerably more depressing since those years < 1335151495 175339 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah isn't it great how our lives evolve :) < 1335151509 892090 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go back to work, let's see if i make it there alive. < 1335151530 43488 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. my moneys on you staying alive. < 1335151551 730074 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, i'll probably just lose my sight. < 1335151559 603136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1335151667 769916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many cards spoils your chances of winning. < 1335151706 383637 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends a raichu to assist oklopol. < 1335151960 787975 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 NICK :MSleep < 1335152762 269323 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1335152996 428664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To assist oklopol doing what? < 1335153277 339774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In what way was the example code mistaken? < 1335153313 279820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I seem to remember, it was that it set an extra bit of the keyboard controller to tell the computer to reboot < 1335153343 376435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* srsly? < 1335153365 821294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what was wrong. < 1335153461 633447 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeeey, still doesn't work. < 1335153477 191753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps look at my code < 1335153511 925745 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1335153533 765865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DefZ < 1335153675 774760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help? < 1335153887 119318 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. Doesn't seem to be working still. < 1335153967 231845 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CLGI The incantations, they work not. < 1335154081 133742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1335154558 761488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does it have two ways of hexadecimal numbers? < 1335154672 200448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whaddya mean? < 1335154694 204837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadbeefh and 0xDEADBEEF are both hex numbers in nasm, if that's what you mean. < 1335154707 430663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I meant < 1335154834 495478 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing I can figure is that my global descriptor table table is wrong somehow. < 1335154875 319888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe it is; does the emulator tell you anything about the reboot purpose? In Bochs, it did say the reboot was due to the keyboard controller command. < 1335154890 725416 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu doesn't tell me that at all. < 1335154899 752147 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bochs isn't working on my distro ATM. < 1335154931 287441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't know. I don't know much about global descriptor table. < 1335154997 204578 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, who does? It's arcane magic. < 1335155065 901758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the hexidecimal numbers, the thing I can see is that since you can use names too, it might confuse things if you have a name called "bach" or something like that. (In my program, all numbers are hexadecimal, and all names must be prefixed by $ so there will never cause such confusion) < 1335155121 14687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Arcane magic like in Dungeons&Dragons 3.5 eidition, like in 4th edition, or like in Icosahedral? < 1335155250 215352 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/bochs/plugins/libbx_x.so: undefined symbol: XpmCreatePixmapFromData < 1335155254 871831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, bochs. Fuck. You. < 1335155392 678592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shouldn't the limit part of gdtr: be "gdtend-gdt" rather than "gdt-gdtend"? < 1335155400 33682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... Probably. < 1335155444 641456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also dw for the limit and dd for the base, I'd think. < 1335155468 385088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, no. < 1335155509 576693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The base is supposed to be a 32-bit physical address for the GDT... < 1335155543 424662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so why would it be "dw"? < 1335155566 948137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Derp. < 1335155838 610435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that helps at all. < 1335155920 108048 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, finally got bochs working. < 1335155973 626553 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message: write_virtual_checks(): write beyond limit, r/w < 1335156009 398462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1335156021 267599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. Let's set up my data segments. XD < 1335156129 850457 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message: interrupt(): gate descriptor is not valid sys seg (vector=0xff53) < 1335156131 517193 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1335156895 691315 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335157062 750498 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157062 750715 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157062 750794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157062 750974 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157064 24987 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157064 25218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157064 25294 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157065 927124 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1335157069 674316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly... < 1335157084 619891 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :fizzie < 1335157224 582296 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1335157307 721939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the nasm syntax or my syntax? There are other kind of assembly syntax too, in case you like that one instead, too. < 1335157534 541561 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1335157652 383865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer nasm syntax, but yours isn't too bad. < 1335157670 7083 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's *bad* is AT&T-style syntax, as per gas. < 1335157960 537452 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335157960 651373 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335157960 651514 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335158062 931545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1335158063 3995 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1335158063 4147 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw JOIN :#esoteric < 1335158124 196627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1335160112 44197 :ellisonch!~celliso2@adsl-76-199-14-212.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335160454 660502 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335160466 757549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Haskell's deleteBy and deleteFirstsBy; I would prefer :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1335160524 738976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And intersectBy should be :: (a -> b -> Bool) -> [a] -> [b] -> [b] < 1335160717 723354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps like this :: (Foldable t, MonadPlus m) => (a -> b -> Bool) -> t a -> m b -> m b < 1335160936 972768 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1335162270 772069 :flipout_1!~scense@75-175-115-124.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335162274 301825 :flipout_1!~scense@75-175-115-124.ptld.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1335163097 522980 :cheater!~cheater@g230220087.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335163602 173361 :cheater!~cheater@g230220087.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335163768 409489 :mylvari!~mylvari@87-100-151-36.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335163791 746584 :cheater!~cheater@g230220087.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335164462 49266 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I reading a comic about Go rather than sleeping? < 1335164510 882676 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sleep is for mortals. < 1335164519 978675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're afraid that if you go to sleep you will never wake up < 1335164551 845101 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hikaru no go? < 1335164581 59531 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard of it.. that is < 1335164610 137215 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tigersmouth.org/viewpage.php?page_id=37 < 1335164628 431564 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it appears to be for kids < 1335164642 590313 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from the "Play Go now" thing saying that there are other kids in the KGS room for the comic < 1335164753 635422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect < 1335165184 627110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition < 1335165213 319997 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1335165251 36816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335165727 987903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one expects.... etc < 1335165831 547340 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION demands the Spanish Inquisition < 1335166004 553842 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.148.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335166486 326021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of something like this: mconcat . primeFactors = id; map primeFactors . primeFactors = map return . primeFactors; primeFactors mempty = []; It is something which can be done on a category too, where you have a functor from that category to the free category of the quiver of that category. < 1335167352 75918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is also a faithful functor < 1335167467 327374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know these things? < 1335169159 803534 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335169214 10028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1335170842 166847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Quit: Just in case you don't know. < 1335174335 577949 :NSQX!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335174474 576285 :NSQX_!daba13f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.186.19.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335174601 564959 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:cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335179526 320150 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335179567 907704 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.148.53 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1335183269 305463 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335184441 844286 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1335186110 582896 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1335186608 993438 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1335187075 216959 :NSQX!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1335187137 613553 :NSQX!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-22#193102zzo38 < 1335187384 144004 :NSQX!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since void just means "no type", I used it as the only type in --C-=C-C-- because --C-=C-C-- literally had "no different types" but C/C++ does not allow assignment of a variable without decleration and I did not want to remove that restriction from --C-=C-C-- < 1335188498 523103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo you conflated ⊤ and ⊥. < 1335188625 976298 :NSQX!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1335188699 781380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I was going to say something about how the dyn type conflates ⊤ and ⊥ anyway. < 1335189201 139253 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335189314 219202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335189964 444642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COLON EQUALS (U+2254) ≔ < 1335189969 349131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this unicode character exist. < 1335189974 509077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It admits in its name that it's two characters. < 1335190864 570064 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1335190940 129398 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-172.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1335190940 201907 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-172.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1335190940 202055 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335191007 44364 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335191084 682557 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1335191091 384870 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1335191923 972537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335192238 513795 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-160.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1335192331 896411 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-235.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335193448 439402 :ellisonch!~celliso2@adsl-76-199-14-212.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1335194045 78221 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335194046 840435 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 NICK :elliott < 1335194050 572132 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.194 QUIT :Changing host < 1335194050 645060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1335194133 668065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:28: Lumpio_: weren't you who said that no one uses gopher anymore < 1335194133 740509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:09:28: Yes. < 1335194133 740695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:09:36: I guess that would imply zzo38 is a no-one. < 1335194141 978032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: It's more that he doesn't count as part of "everyone". < 1335194185 651012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:26:45: Wait a minute, you have a gopher proxy for Stack Overflow!? < 1335194190 832143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's read-only, or I'd use it exclusively :'( < 1335194197 332314 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬u¬ < 1335194222 968863 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt OAuth would support Gopher anyways < 1335194263 821414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenID, no? < 1335194268 599020 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1335194268 956582 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1335194270 77994 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenId. < 1335194271 15351 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1335194294 876530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any authentication mechanism that doesn't support gopher is useless. < 1335194387 979087 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP-over-Gopher < 1335194471 293606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21:21: does anyone know what needs to be done to a chroot, to be able to connect to a postgresql database (that's outside the chroot) from inside it? < 1335194478 43503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If it uses a TCP socket, then "nothing", I think. < 1335194484 902789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't, maybe make it so it does? < 1335194485 914785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1335194492 846088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I — how rude. < 1335194499 802497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :— I hear that you can send fds over Unix sockets. < 1335194501 878627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, kmc? < 1335194972 785551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335194988 666499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1335194996 137221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiel < 1335195010 950984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabcomplnoworkwithoutspace < 1335195017 642386 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311D5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335195100 178113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can telnet nethack4.org now, btw < 1335195108 915369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend using telnet-ssl, to annoy kerio < 1335195109 619565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1335195122 368559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure telnet will be sufficiently annoying to start with < 1335195125 161974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ssh nethack@nethack4.org, password is nethack < 1335195141 849288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, but I'm trying to undermine his main argument about ssh's superiority < 1335195148 234733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if I play NetHack 4, I might forget the little amount of knowledge of how to play Crawl that I have < 1335195154 411601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should set up mosh < 1335195158 208651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd be ideal for NetHack < 1335195162 137409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most of the screen doesn't change each turn < 1335195168 744093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd ensure consistent cross-terminal support < 1335195184 175265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it authenticates over ssh, so you only have to install the mosh-server program and let ssh connectors use it) < 1335195188 986708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mosh assume that it isn't on a vastly shared account with separate sessions per user? < 1335195204 308211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can set it up to run any program you want < 1335195207 3062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask kmc :P < 1335195223 300514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't necessarily assume that beyond the fact that it starts a shell < 1335195237 790900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't starting a shell in nethack4.org's case < 1335195247 423595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's why I said you'd have to configure it to start the right program < 1335195251 308592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to do that with ssh too < 1335195258 583605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set nethack's login shell as a compiled executable that chroots to a hardcoded directory, drops permissions, and runs a hardcoded executable < 1335195267 50341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suid, of course < 1335195279 431114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks there's something delightfully self-contradictory about a suid login shell < 1335195285 608595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so that just has to recognise whatever arguments ssh adds if you pass it "mosh-server blah blah blah" < 1335195297 974392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start mosh-server with the hardcoded executable it runs as a parameter < 1335195428 248684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, how can a tr0lltherapy comment be at 315 points? < 1335195508 154428 :ellisonch!~celliso2@chucky.cs.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335195570 739412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ellisonch < 1335195575 717100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you will massively disrupt tab-completion < 1335195581 234470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellisonch: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1335195673 598120 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335195856 49917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can ping you easily enough with e tab < 1335195864 798202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pings EgoBot here < 1335195870 813047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, that only works if i was the last e to talk, I think < 1335195872 668822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although arguably bash-like rather than cmd-like completion would be better in this case < 1335195874 603154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1335195876 795918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you usually are < 1335195886 819460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if someone else is the last e to talk, I can just shout at them for not being you < 1335195887 183968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be based on frequency of how much you ping someone, IMO < 1335195898 513862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they haven't talked in ages < 1335195905 696119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I just press tab, it repeats my last ping < 1335195912 549850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely do that, hard to get into the habit < 1335195924 557790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was no need to ping on that line, but I did anyway for testing purposes) < 1335196559 414355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same here < 1335196732 919301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, I'll try NetHack 4 < 1335196744 724732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts X11 < 1335196761 977449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, it doesn't do anything but ASCII graphics on the server, not sure what that's about < 1335196767 522017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some misconfiguration in the chroot < 1335196796 328292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how long are the passwords? < 1335196823 931690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as big as can fit into the internal buffer, I think; they get hashed and salted, and the resulting hash seems to be around 50-60 chars long < 1335196829 665975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the copy of the salt < 1335196842 247341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, you should truncate them at 8 chars like CDO so I have less to type < 1335196846 204425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't paste into X11) < 1335196854 689613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use a shorter password? < 1335196859 100510 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1335196865 628501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically :P < 1335196868 971136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason your password has to be max length < 1335196877 244058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that way I can't blame the server for password insecurity < 1335196878 530346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only myself < 1335196891 563455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335196935 41497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, I think ssh /is/ superior to telnet for game servers, just for better reasons than kerio < 1335196944 663461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can let people register with an SSH key rather than a password < 1335196961 472157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :katia:~ elliott$ cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9' | head -c 20 < 1335196961 583766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr: Illegal byte sequence < 1335196963 616266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except that would require creating users on the server < 1335196964 514009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, come on, OS X < 1335196974 814577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bizarre error < 1335196978 179180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, or using an SSH library to hook up the authentication to something else < 1335196987 815520 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using OS X? < 1335196992 592800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I use head -c on /dev/urandom, followed by uuencode, to produce random passwords < 1335196995 293557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really a problem to create a bunch of users; you can do it in a chroot if you want to avoid cluttering up the rest of the system < 1335197003 925758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes, because my keyboard is broken < 1335197044 710923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, setting LANG=C makes tr do what I want there < 1335197154 965186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that's weird: running gcc with all locale settings set to C rather than my usual en_GB.utf8 < 1335197167 78525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the messages are still in English, but different < 1335197245 332514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Confirm password:" fuuuuck < 1335197262 813111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me it autologsin after that < 1335197281 995298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll be logged in after confirming < 1335197284 50484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are the default settings sane < 1335197288 888749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1335197292 418478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank christ < 1335197294 550195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one of them doesn't work and the fallback is insane < 1335197307 587807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using a password more complcated than you can type, anyway? < 1335197315 23226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why can't you just copy it with dragover/middleclick? < 1335197343 625486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because I'd usually use the same password I use for more or less everything (terrible habit, I know, but I haven't thought of a convenient enough fix yet), except I refuse to type that over telnet < 1335197349 638396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just generate a random one and email it to myself < 1335197372 444160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bug: it mangles the case of the name I give it < 1335197385 525848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, first thing I did was type o < 1335197401 714209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bug two: Ctrl+hjkl doesn't work < 1335197416 821054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does < 1335197419 469301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not through doors, or something < 1335197429 244248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't expect it to work through doors < 1335197438 185205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I swap o and v in Crawl < 1335197445 220723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can swap o and v in nh4, if you like < 1335197451 970787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep hitting v for x < 1335197454 580189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I do x...v < 1335197461 850672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you have autoexplore! < 1335197463 654192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1335197476 891641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug three: G isn't travel :P < 1335197484 668805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can swap G and _ too if you like < 1335197508 43138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, early-game nethack monsters are so weak compared to Crawl < 1335197547 782263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: blue is a bad choice for text, btw < 1335197554 733692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the default colour for it is usually too dark to be readable < 1335197566 927499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can turn on use_darkgray and it'll be darkgray instead < 1335197580 407497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not on by default because it has rendering problems on many terminals, and it wouldn't do for it to be invisible < 1335197580 495980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a defaults suggestion, but thanks < 1335197587 309243 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You wanted to see my shell script gopher client: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/shgopher < 1335197628 256032 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Myhell script gopher client: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/shgopher < 1335197628 430389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1335197709 843535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's amazing just how weird NetHack feels after playing Crawl for a few days < 1335197822 76299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, does nethack4.org have spectators? < 1335197828 150664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes, why does it force you to log in first? < 1335197834 462006 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335197843 667470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not yet, although you can see recordings of games after they happen (including other people's) < 1335197849 651170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been implemented yet < 1335197864 496744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with dgamelaunch, out of curiosity? < 1335197875 721621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a good fit for nitrohack's view of the world < 1335197881 752377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, howso? < 1335197885 610773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's pretty cruftily coded internally < 1335197908 404972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got too much of a dependence on the terminal settings of the person playing < 1335197932 427220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this level is really weird < 1335197975 137438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://ompldr.org/vZGhlZw) < 1335198051 82737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, why does the weak message say "SPECIES needs food, badly!"? it does that in nethack too < 1335198052 684037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1335198065 845860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a reference to Gauntlet < 1335198068 491112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not species < 1335198090 64921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :valkyrie isn't a species? < 1335198090 770985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it triggers only on things that were classes in gauntlet; elf was a class, so was wizard, and a couple of others < 1335198099 104535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it isn't, it's a class < 1335198117 992359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1335198127 351310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point < 1335198181 785610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hearing the chime of a cash register probably shouldn't stop travel < 1335198194 624868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1335198202 697283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seemed to just there < 1335198206 405143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could be misinterpreting the situation < 1335198210 11050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've changed anything about that wrt travel stoppers < 1335198215 761408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see a monster, or step on an item or engraving? < 1335198218 761147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why i'm making suggestions :) < 1335198224 413633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I saw a monster, but I could have < 1335198269 854949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: another bug: tab doesn't do my fighting for me ;) < 1335198340 182936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Firefox doesn't support javascript: URIs any more < 1335198343 706162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that means for bookmarklets? < 1335198362 864291 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? it doesn't? < 1335198364 577607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all the sites that still use them? < 1335198381 203679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, good point; it's probably just direct address-bar entry they've disabled < 1335198392 645472 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what firefox version are you running? < 1335198399 38200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not < 1335198410 462214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, autoexplore will happily explore even if there's monsters about < 1335198424 191227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but only one step, if they're a threat < 1335198440 797770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not identical to Crawl autoexplore, it's meant to stop at places where there's a reasonable choice of continuing or stopping < 1335198457 64631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm just reporting every way the interface differs from Crawl's as a bug :) < 1335198462 667290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the things i hate about crawl's interface < 1335198545 321317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun < 1335198553 789938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm #5 of all time < 1335198561 424131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else must be really terrible < 1335198579 143376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, the server just only came up very recently < 1335198582 785522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhhh < 1335198588 299966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the /good/ players haven't died yet :) < 1335198592 360559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, it's not clear that the scrollbars are really scrollbars < 1335198601 529298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest putting e.g. Unicode up and down arrows at the top and bottom of them < 1335198617 419740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd leave less room for the bar itself, which is a problem on a smaller screen < 1335198622 961754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, put them inside the bar < 1335198627 480683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the topmost and bottommost positions < 1335198636 226240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it'd shorten the bar by 2 < 1335198639 227676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335198643 773680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would leave the bar at the exact same size < 1335198650 496510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the arrows /inside/ the bar < 1335198664 532561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really have one-character-big scrollbars, put an UPDOWN ARROW in them, I'm sure there's a character like that < 1335198928 585774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays some crawl instead < 1335199168 851199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, which Crawl bot is which, again? < 1335199194 219270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Henzell reports on CAO; Gretell reports on CDO; Sequell reports stats in response to IRC questions < 1335199209 493221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, for IRC queries, learndb stuff goes to Henzell, everything else to Sequell < 1335199212 47090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so Sequell is the one I want to ask about monsters/items? < 1335199215 59150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were two bots < 1335199219 989698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of which did monsters and the other items, or something < 1335199229 289938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not sure on that one, if you're looking for raw stats < 1335199234 495754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask henzell if you're looking for learndb entries < 1335199240 648164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I want to ask the question "is this better than this", mainly :P < 1335199295 642838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try looking at in-game information? i then the item letter < 1335199361 4864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'd rather know before I pick it up < 1335199382 522587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:08:37: Henzell responds to ?? < 1335199382 632028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:08:46: Gretell responds to @?? < 1335199384 322945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that was it < 1335199463 787955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, what syntax does sequell use? < 1335199487 688480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ??!lg < 1335199509 456829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in /msg, it seems < 1335199516 604608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in /msg to Henzell < 1335199520 402884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I just tried it < 1335199522 555120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... I said sequell < 1335199542 505214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the documentation on how to use sequell is a learndb entry < 1335199545 685438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it is in henzell < 1335199546 479777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1335199551 681782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how confusing < 1335199568 69786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, it's more logical than splitting the entries up between bots < 1335199570 706451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you view the subsequent pages? :P < 1335199701 113376 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335199749 510615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: repeat the query with a number in square brackets < 1335199755 544597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ??listgame[2] < 1335199757 337935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that! < 1335199761 937011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:46 ??!lg[2] < 1335199762 9479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:46 I don't have a page labeled !lg[2] in my learndb. < 1335199770 687195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, !lg is a redirect, it seems < 1335199777 856030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this learndb sucks < 1335199782 791589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use the name it responded with to access subsequent entries < 1335199784 384354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1335199794 711823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, AFAICT this is just the documentation for !lg < 1335199798 779007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the only command Sequell supports? < 1335199818 192006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for heaven's sake, I'll just ask you: is chain mail or ring mail better? < 1335199846 145497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume chain mail, but I don't know, and it probably depends on your skills < 1335199872 943661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of question rarely has a simple answer in Crawl, because it's going to depend on a formula with nested d calls and twenty input variables < 1335199884 573453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1335199884 646260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently there's a d(d(d6)) call in Crawl somewhere) < 1335199913 341931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:51 ??chain mail < 1335199913 414343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:51 chain mail[1/1]: 7 AC, -4 EV. < 1335199913 414514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:51 ??ring mail < 1335199914 908928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:51 ring mail[1/1]: +5 ac -2 ev. < 1335199916 931667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you're right < 1335199917 814412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when making Crawl Light, one of the things dtsund did was add a numerical spell success percentage value; in order to do this, he first had to modify the code to be able to actually work out the success rate < 1335199935 997876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is crawl light any good? < 1335199941 818745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was apparently mathematically nontrivial < 1335199951 810730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I approve of it compared to regular Crawl, but it hasn't forked very far yet < 1335199989 314011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm tired :( < 1335200007 510917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, scroll of blinking < 1335200013 723953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks to some money < 1335200045 953707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably not a good strategy ;) < 1335200064 707426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I have no use for it, I'm just glad I can id them no < 1335200065 235842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1335200073 497814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #1 crawl complaint so far, btw, is that autoexplore stops for bats < 1335200082 884491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it not stop for bats in your RC file < 1335200084 472466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just ignore them, or maybe repeatedly autofight until they die < 1335200089 506790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so means you will probably get killed by bats, though < 1335200106 849690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't remember a bat ever doing appreciable damage to me, ever < 1335200113 734200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it should switch to autofight instead < 1335200118 910950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like monqy's script, except less... drastic < 1335200121 210534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it adds up, and they're faster than you < 1335200131 126476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I hate worms < 1335200137 838845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the whole bat dance thing is ridiculous, there's a sequence of weird motions you can make to keep the bat in combat more often < 1335200154 190215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #2 crawl complaint: worms and goliath beetles exist < 1335200284 880159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I forgot, I'm a berserker < 1335200288 949252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I don't care much about worms then < 1335200374 123184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms are pretty easy, you can outrun them, so you just pelt them with junk/spells until they're dead < 1335200400 80941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that's really really annoying < 1335200408 729891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I start hating Crawl whenever I have to do that < 1335200418 357877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, crazy yiuf < 1335200422 326045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is why I hate Crawl, you have to do that on pretty much everything later in the game < 1335200424 83331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget whether he's a wimp or not < 1335200433 476888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, he's not < 1335200434 806291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1335200489 587656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1335200498 320531 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335200512 807198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if monsters pick up things you leave around on the floor < 1335200559 451600 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335200651 666920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they can do; and jellies can destroy them < 1335200706 867483 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1311D5.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643] < 1335200724 107953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right; I left a quarterstaff of chaos on the floor and then thought better of it < 1335200791 64823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that was stupid < 1335201603 534948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, why does Crawl let you wield armour? < 1335201622 828456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it lets you wield anything < 1335201634 787049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NetHack, wielding armour is occasionally useful, but I don't think it is in Crawl < 1335201748 279603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1335201833 64783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1335201833 175598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1335201839 286686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Trog dislike you using glowing items, since they're magic? < 1335201843 105741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learndb has nothing on it < 1335201843 178591 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335201933 196690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has too little monqy in it to be ##crawl < 1335202032 961429 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335202054 734074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1335202061 168473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he doesn't dislike magic, he dislikes spellcasting (specifically) < 1335202065 927420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just fine with other sorts of magic < 1335202075 817990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good to know, thanks < 1335202166 86870 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335202166 701704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335202171 469092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pang < 1335202181 351442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, there's chain mail on dungeon:1 and I didn't even notice < 1335202181 886343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1335202277 480055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great < 1335202279 945912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a worm /and/ an ogre < 1335202491 479260 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish webchat gave _some_ indication that you're still connected even if no one is talking :( < 1335202519 261275 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's failure to do so is making me nervous. < 1335202521 938457 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1335202526 806793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335202526 982802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335202527 690779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335202527 866482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335202528 315725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335202528 495881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335202531 953507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say @ping every 10 seconds < 1335202557 596504 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes that will go down well. i want a method which doesn't require me to do more than glance at the window. < 1335202575 45866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an eye-based control interface so you can type @ping by glancing < 1335202619 976241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hendell is really useful, thanks < 1335202701 241158 :oerjan!50cadfda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.223.218 QUIT :Quit: Nervous enough not to stay here, actually < 1335202934 79545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1335202940 263193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F Prince Ribbit < 1335202942 381803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S adder (fleeing) < 1335202943 4309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o orc < 1335202944 556276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :K kobold < 1335202948 75395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :z adder skeleton (wandering) < 1335202950 185317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I SO POPULAR < 1335203237 164130 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1335203348 179010 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335203447 168866 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335203657 171068 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1335203657 283561 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1335203657 283713 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335203733 143654 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335203870 363104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, I was in a fight so long that I managed to go berserk, finish being berserk, recover from my exhaustion and slowness, and go berserk /again/ before it finished < 1335203870 475434 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335204083 284317 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133360.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335204257 152284 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1335204333 42865 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335204337 920401 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335204338 298211 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335204338 964049 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335204343 357615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :232) [CTCP] Received CTCP-ERRMSG reply from clog: unknown CTCP: ERRMSG. < 1335204354 240768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. < 1335204355 963908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :107) if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect ^ I learned that trick from atheists < 1335204657 53825 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335205375 987718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, died again < 1335205389 383117 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.148.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335205428 80754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was it a disappointing anticlimax, as usual? < 1335205439 57623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1335205457 283360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went down, ran into two powerful uniques, and decided to fight them rather than running away and preparing < 1335205461 306767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and died < 1335205516 632948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that a reasonably disappointing anticlimax < 1335205528 767427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, NetHack has its fair share of that kind of stuff, too < 1335205538 724603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fighting everything you run into = dead < 1335205559 409853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the alternative is normally "find a creative way round" rather than "run away and use a different staircase" < 1335205605 876407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, although I think I could have survived if I had fought less stupidly < 1335205613 948400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using berk as the solution to (and cause of) every problem < 1335205624 258968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beerk < 1335205970 779757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, britishairways.com looks like it says british hairways < 1335205984 497231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :britishstairways < 1335206017 322688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :britishfairways < 1335206023 149172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :britishpairways < 1335206357 442368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: another reason mosh would be good for roguelikes: lets you know when your connection is lagging, stopping you doing really stupid things due to it < 1335206546 286263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go team a < 1335206818 506511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Crawl highlight "{was cursed}" in red < 1335207062 375932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, how can I check how much something weighs in game? < 1335207063 642998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can't I? < 1335207076 351628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in NetHack 4, the weight is shown in braces {5} < 1335207081 422551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't in vanilla NetHack < 1335207085 553291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl also displays weight somewhere < 1335207093 256994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's measured in aum, arbitrary units of mass < 1335207101 451695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, that level of detail per game is the opposite of what I needed :P < 1335207107 630033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I know! < 1335207184 753954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And knowledge is power!) < 1335207193 737487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what information were you looking for? < 1335207217 454129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the weight of splint mail in Crawl; but how to find the weight of any item is a more useful abstraction of that < 1335207257 758574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henzell doesn't know it < 1335207267 314765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the i screen, I guess, it's probably there < 1335207277 739634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, selecting the item in i works < 1335207278 435092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1335207303 7719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Your low strength makes using this armour a little more difficult. < 1335207304 51482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1335207308 658579 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.148.53 PART :#esoteric < 1335207351 630542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I told you there were far too many stats involved :) < 1335207367 346061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't care if there was a good info source for it < 1335207372 981433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a wiki that isn't as terrible as the one everyone says is terrible < 1335207419 406508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can't figure out how much str I'll need < 1335207448 583749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can anyone else < 1335207454 232854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask ##crawl, I guess, maybe they'll know < 1335207459 531564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crawl scares me < 1335207468 181378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordingly, I've never joined it < 1335207523 253373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does esolangs.org load for you? < 1335207547 875637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's being slow, at least, not loaded yet < 1335207554 25456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ping, can you try too? < 1335207566 454055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries downforeveryoneorjustme too < 1335207569 601258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1335207573 673771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuck at the "Looking up…" < 1335207584 284142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so DNS? < 1335207590 172535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIPEEEEEEEERT < 1335207596 317919 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335207604 57188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, http://178.79.159.81/ loads instantly < 1335207605 185369 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.67 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335207609 430505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it's probably afraid.org < 1335207617 657383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and timed out < 1335207622 431330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we really need to get that domain moved somewhere more reliable < 1335207623 913790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I think it's a DNS issue < 1335207775 380649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still like that < 1335207776 617618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1335207784 330225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers emailing THE ALAN DIPERT < 1335207788 359935 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Looking up forevers. < 1335207823 105330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION while true; do ping -t5 esolangs.org; done < 1335207845 131435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger < 1335207849 77205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right as i do that it goes back up < 1335207851 764873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win this time, THE ALAN DIPERT < 1335207907 191602 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'snot up for me. < 1335207914 705760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I think it just broke again. < 1335207920 23732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, THE ALAN DIPERT! < 1335208035 775032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Has it been down long enough to complain yet? < 1335208040 561128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many 9s we at????? < 1335208087 508267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL A CRITICAL 9 SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW < 1335208115 650466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DO WE EVEN HAVE ANY 9S ANY MORE < 1335208167 660918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, are we looking for ALAN DIPERT again? < 1335208196 953108 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti does this work with the sender beign the same as receiver < 1335208197 174675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1335208225 63524 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti_ ? < 1335208225 244198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1335208241 134966 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1335208280 361547 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does lambdabot inform about new messages? < 1335208280 544175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1335208304 246545 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1335208304 344904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti said 1m 19s ago: ? < 1335208320 68410 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1335208451 882251 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1335208491 327317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: When you first talk after either joining or not speaking for ages < 1335208498 640648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Changing nick also counts as joining) < 1335208524 604142 :nortti_!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1335208533 84041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you join and don't say anything, you don't get notified? < 1335208539 232240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335208551 88505 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", 010) < 1335208553 541842 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1335208556 409712 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NINES < 1335208568 764051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's still down :'( < 1335208576 128148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", 011) < 1335208578 423948 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1335208582 488080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nine < 1335208582 850003 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Cheater. < 1335208585 203289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not 9, that's 011. < 1335208631 213277 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now I have to go look up that conversation in the logs X-D < 1335208637 90869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C obsessively turning everything into 9s. < 1335208651 69432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Two_ shimmering altars of Xom??? < 1335208729 760812 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what conversation < 1335208857 459829 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-08#011843elliott < 1335208898 663528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: centaurs are assholes < 1335208900 515880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you should know < 1335208915 483965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait until you meet yaktaurs < 1335208921 204015 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335208935 841995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those like centaurs but instead of horse it's a yak < 1335208944 9777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i might have met one already actually < 1335208962 536624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1335208970 285726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best monster < 1335209001 576687 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much like "cen" is Latin for "horse", "yak" is Latin for "yak". < 1335209012 497116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335209023 430612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Very much like "cen" is Latin for "horse", "yak" is Latin for "yak". < 1335209026 854300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :845) Very much like "cen" is Latin for "horse", "yak" is Latin for "yak". < 1335209029 432202 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1335209032 609201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's roguelikes, all their monsters are goofy < 1335209136 849950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does clog have ops, btw? < 1335209144 955874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since lament opped it < 1335209230 141727 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2bf project status: moved actual code out of stdio.h, discovered string.h which made writing c2bf-cpp much easier, wrote very simple c2bf-libc and made it it's own makefile which compiles c2bf-libc to object code and updated wrapper to automaticaly run c2bf-cpp and link executables with c2bf-libc if command line argument -libc is present < 1335209238 998946 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335209248 743849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It would be about 10x easier to just finish gcc-bf. < 1335209277 329980 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1335209284 516954 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1335209284 589563 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335209351 230238 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where can I find gcc-bf? < 1335209356 406223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg ais523 < 1335209376 489577 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also esolangs.org seems to be down al lest for me < 1335209388 675031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1335209393 139733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS issue. < 1335209434 464449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: elliott has decided to take it down as a show over power. < 1335209436 726974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1335209439 2690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :show *of power < 1335209442 734333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. < 1335209445 740827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must give penance for him to bring it back. < 1335209446 996397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahahaha. < 1335209461 181128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :All hail elliott, lord of the wiki | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1335209486 101724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once deleted a valuable esolang... JUST BECAUSE I COULD < 1335209490 682709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I removed the deletion log entry from the database. < 1335209492 942470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I killed a kitten.\ < 1335209502 307118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\// < 1335209535 763314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a "potion of porridge" is just... porridge. < 1335209550 464069 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what esolang < 1335209556 595858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whaaa? < 1335209561 411463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It should make you barf porridge. < 1335209568 799309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. < 1335209604 538133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where's Schrodilang?!?! < 1335209919 749824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1335209940 636384 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohlook, esolangs.org is back up. < 1335209948 92685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here < 1335209952 515746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3931 "Summary: BEES" < 1335209962 624231 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess it just loves me then. < 1335210018 981739 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :down here < 1335210080 90914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drafts an email to THE ALAN DIPERT. < 1335210106 917705 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To: THE ALAN DIPERT < 1335210110 900794 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: THE ALAN DIPERT < 1335210114 108130 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1335210116 753398 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALAN DIPERT < 1335210118 879151 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1335210139 736793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that it? < 1335210153 903747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335210167 955512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can people try to ping esolangs.org's nameservers to see if they're up? < 1335210175 717569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just want to make sure I can blame afraid ;) < 1335210197 6568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1335210215 507170 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All are unpingable, but to be fair, that may be normal. < 1335210225 145889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, send them a DNS request for themselves, then. < 1335210241 255861 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instareply. < 1335210248 664137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure that's not cached? < 1335210258 811469 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1335210273 29130 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, never mind. < 1335210278 875779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how to ask dig to do the right thing. < 1335210283 96858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no response ^^ < 1335210403 534695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You occasionally shout uncontrollably." < 1335210420 392081 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1335210535 849748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can eat rotten meat. < 1335210536 657466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1335210539 652617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jackpot!! < 1335210674 448291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached < 1335210884 732647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could anyone upvote that ridiculously stupid answer?! < 1335211036 495815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ridiculously stupid answer? < 1335211068 334065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10286680/how-to-create-typeclass-instances-of-a-promoted-type; the answer that isn't mine. < 1335211086 418310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yours is not the stupid answer? < 1335211091 190873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1335211160 141745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335211303 825892 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133360.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643] < 1335211306 267664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bath < 1335211309 408022 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :806) you tell us you're making a lisp interpreter, but you don't mention its polterchrist is c++ templates? isn't that like telling us you're taking a bath and not mentioning you're bathing in a WORLD FULL OF SNAKES < 1335211351 588959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/years.html < 1335211358 116219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your moment to shine! < 1335211363 737998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're like a week late < 1335211373 735097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1335211408 214663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd expect nothing less from you ;) < 1335211411 976527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1335211414 67639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran right up to a jelly < 1335211467 527529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're kidding me < 1335211487 632154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, what do you do when there's a jelly, an orc wizard, and an orc? < 1335211493 183521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from die) < 1335211527 201737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how open is the area? < 1335211553 328270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orc wizards are not top priority if their LoS is blocked, plain orcs are reasonably wimpy < 1335211568 321047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZGhqbA < 1335211610 635001 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you come up with "the Cutter Kobold of Trog"? < 1335211624 53372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "the Cutter: Kobold of Trog" < 1335211624 231027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that provided by the game? < 1335211631 966958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I decided to be a kobold berserker < 1335211635 504011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that I worship trog < 1335211641 341285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cutter thing advances as you go through the game < 1335211647 647916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, I didn't pick the phrase specifically < 1335211661 729667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good to know < 1335211741 500148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, maybe I can melee the jelly, escaping the wizard's line of sight, and then hand of trog+berk the orcs < 1335211747 506044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get a new weapon < 1335211760 415162 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's bath o'clock now (or 5-10 minutes past) < 1335211790 927027 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335211854 428728 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335211859 611196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the reassurance, ais523 :P < 1335211894 832940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I often keep a backup weapon for jelly-killing < 1335211905 137895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a backup weapon < 1335211908 670530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically a weapon that's good but strictly worse than my main weapon < 1335211909 681495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised, thanks :P < 1335211919 287717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my backup weapon is a bit worse than my main weapon < 1335211923 368119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I'll just ruin my main weapon < 1335212129 184704 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: your moment to shine! // feel free to praise me even though you're late < 1335212143 293148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I praised you already! < 1335212147 625545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when the winners were announced < 1335212150 908696 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRAISE ME MORE < 1335212155 678735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the code THEN praise me. < 1335212162 371620 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you know what you're praising! < 1335212165 416348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, hmm, I'll have to think of something even more creative for next year, and I'm out of ideas < 1335212167 847025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd seen the code already < 1335212209 23072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1335212214 103067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's jelly + orc priest + orc wizard < 1335212218 686542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, abaa tab tab tab < 1335212230 57662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked < 1335212274 88127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, this is like orcsville < 1335212307 551453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orcsville, the newest game by whatever dumbshits made Farmville. < 1335212312 862966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zynga < 1335212498 733020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is henkaure scary? not in learbdb < 1335212500 523727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learndb < 1335212533 272789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has spells that can be very nasty for a starting character if he uses them, or quite an advanced character because they scale; does bad stuff to you if you kill him < 1335212537 986243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run if you can, is simplest < 1335212559 566635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can, but it'll be quite difficult to explore this level if he's around < 1335212565 321238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downtime so far, btw: 18:58 --> 20:21 < 1335212575 379719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I can get MR easily < 1335212586 709365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to trog's hand < 1335212593 507747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 MR, apparently < 1335212598 279599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so long as you don't run out of piety < 1335212606 298155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I sacrifice a /lot/ of corpses < 1335212606 933659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a risk unless you really abuse it, I think < 1335212620 796846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I use it pretty much every time I come across an orc wizard < 1335212624 369621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've never lost the ability to do it, ever < 1335212638 759896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I just berked him < 1335212643 707516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Your +0,+0 mace glows black for a moment. < 1335212645 901416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like I used it anyway < 1335212665 493613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335212665 673085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335212679 153232 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1335212679 226188 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1335212679 226332 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335212812 734874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT < 1335212905 759225 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1335212918 470708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1335212922 887181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to befucked < 1335212952 794900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I was < 1335213274 959778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, who wrote "They say that the Orb of Zot exists deep, deep down but nobody ever got it."? < 1335213281 507201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1335213298 817036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some of the developers, because they were afraid people wouldn't understand the object of the game < 1335213306 247279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message is randomized, there's a bunch of them, none are any good < 1335213358 504388 :cheater!~cheater@g229021044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335213601 614583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, badness is one thing < 1335213612 910494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "but nobody ever got it" is badness at a professional level < 1335213618 972135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1335213621 423862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of the devs are non-native speakers? < 1335214120 201598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, ##crawl *is* scary, right? < 1335214133 254243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really < 1335214140 888100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, thats < 1335214144 393418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's just boring < 1335214144 725597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's not no! < 1335214161 734760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this vision of a silent channel judging me for being a terrible player < 1335214166 305879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 500 people in it < 1335214184 146864 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1335214195 128194 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1335214238 938409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a channel filled with 20 monqys < 1335214242 623863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i can handle that much monqy < 1335214305 424932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh -- that'll teach me not to read the original question thoroughly 8^( – comingstorm 6 mins ago < 1335214308 765438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: justice am done < 1335215648 90459 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335215656 581017 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335215667 882517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1335215669 896270 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1335215869 753471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor: does esolangs.org work for you yet? < 1335215881 226742 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_WORKSFORME < 1335215952 116463 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335216051 614617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was slower than normal but loaded in around 5s < 1335216053 497734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, < 1335216054 920004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You feel as though Xom is toying with you. < 1335216054 992580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Suddenly, the walls become transparent! < 1335216063 958777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can that happen if I don't worship Xom??? < 1335216079 356226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you don't worship Xom? < 1335216086 43763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# #.....##..+ +..... #+# ...# Kobold of Trog **.... < 1335216091 344625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or they've decided to make him poke in from time to time anyway < 1335216095 731173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1335216099 821326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, did you anger Xom? < 1335216104 901230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry Xom acts much like happy Xom < 1335216144 288139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall doing anything to anger Xom, although I'm probably pretty boring < 1335216147 593716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Xom cannot be prayed to, has no conducts, and accepts no sacrifices. He is not so much worshipped as he is experienced." < 1335216154 536229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When Xom is in a bad mood he gives you random mutations and when he's in a good mood he gives you good mutations. As a result Xom worshippers will typically have good mutation sets or be dead." < 1335216155 72970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1335216230 484739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the main reason I'm afraid to join ##crawl is that they already know how bad I am < 1335216243 490272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they think I'm even worse than I am, since I got better since then < 1335216255 164859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Xom is no longer mutation-heavy, they moved that stuff to Jiyva < 1335216281 435998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(monqy spammed a bunch of my deaths to the TV bot) < 1335216283 570668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to view them) < 1335216286 204382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in ##crawl) < 1335216600 431426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29 sheep[1/3]: Not even sorear has died to this one yet. These crafty beasts have managed to outwit lemuel 2 times! < 1335216605 513511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out what "not even sorear" implies < 1335216672 930797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is there a command like autoexplore but that just walks around randomly instead? < 1335216767 175478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335216771 70109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem massively useful < 1335216797 626956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TAEB has a behaviour for doing that, though < 1335216806 635349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a final fallback in Behavioral < 1335216834 769953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd be useful for grinding < 1335216848 988741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to train my sword skills before descending lower, but have explored everywhere already < 1335216856 417946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just want to run into monsters a lot < 1335217382 455046 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1335217494 497578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that doesn't work in Crawl, the game's intentionally balanced to stop you doing that < 1335217517 676672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, my short blades level was below my experience level < 1335217526 841262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monsters are too wimpy to give good exp for a while, then they spawn too slowly to give you food, then it spawns massively out of depth stuff to kill you < 1335217555 814066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skill points are split between skills < 1335217571 524484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want a higher short blades skill, you should have been focusing it earlier < 1335217589 913578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you won't get enough exp to make a meaningful training of it without going lower < 1335217615 218175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I couldn't focus it earlier < 1335217617 189169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have a short blade < 1335217679 509495 :mylvari!~mylvari@87-100-151-36.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ^_^ < 1335217689 910731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, there should be something to stop you butchering things you can't eat < 1335217797 936203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't have a short blade <--- Crawl Light fixes this! < 1335217803 556913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1335217821 689766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i don't know if i can handle that much monqy" <-- maybe you can handle the monqy, but can you handle the hi? < 1335217830 608514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is uncorrelated with hi < 1335217849 287601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it lets you focus a skill even if you have no way of training it < 1335217857 411866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exp gets funneled into it nonetheless < 1335217858 733584 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335217862 91904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's unrealistic! < 1335217895 801980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and regular Crawl is? < 1335217929 327778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1335217934 445237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1335218364 775066 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C66A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335218510 860567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335218511 39947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335218546 728562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw: total downtime was 18:58 to 21:17 < 1335218821 332607 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335218821 406587 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1335218821 406736 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1335219124 382302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how come mimics are so bloody strong?! < 1335219192 638901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can run away! < 1335219279 868346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I see what monqy meant about anti-Crawl bias now < 1335219316 850522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: from me? < 1335219332 186192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty biased/cynical/jaded about it < 1335219336 499228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he mentioned it from me, but you're where I got it from :) < 1335219359 254092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I /want/ to like Crawl, I just can't < 1335219366 629538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so Crawl < 1335219368 60762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I love Trog's Hand < 1335219386 687530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poisoned? trog's hand < 1335219390 149047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orc wizard? trog's hand < 1335219394 748626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inept mimic? trog's hand < 1335219415 635157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good, they used "inept mimic"? < 1335219420 576119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inept X mimic, yes < 1335219427 949061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost killed me, so it's not very inept after all < 1335219433 291963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they named that just a few days ago, I talked them out of using "playful", or something equally awful < 1335219433 655445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, less inept than I am < 1335219448 276951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: must have been, like, a day before I started playing < 1335219450 599795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I've had them all the time < 1335219473 719516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose "trunk" really is trunk :) < 1335219479 697164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does everyone play trunk? < 1335219487 66861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how long it is since the last release < 1335219495 596954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only play it because monqy told me to < 1335219533 577111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scorpions are assholes < 1335219642 879237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1335219647 696617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :room of kobolds < 1335219650 170315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no convenient corridor < 1335219755 208796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, can you build walls in Crawl? < 1335219827 41157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335219846 705664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are summoning spells that create temporary immobile monsters, but they're really high-level < 1335220262 203484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:30 iron devil[1/1]: Lots of resistances, but slow and doesn't hit as hard as you would expect. Almost completely ignorable 4. Not even worth killing in the Hells, but be careful if it shows up on D:7 or something (and isn't across lava). < 1335220264 687672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place: Dungeon 7 < 1335220266 98062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 iron devil < 1335220269 267136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bes careful < 1335220309 896236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't be careful enough < 1335220387 676518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so are inept mimics new? < 1335220398 477023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very recent < 1335220417 583137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided they wanted more mimics, and so created a weak version to put on earlier levels < 1335220457 904944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hate the devs already < 1335220678 802137 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devs also hate you. < 1335220729 874662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does Crawl ever use bold white? < 1335220744 919791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if not, are there any other reasons to use brightness, not bold, for ANSI bold?) < 1335220803 541483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure, but I expect so < 1335220811 661368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be using it /for/ brightness < 1335220820 317456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I just set white to the same colour as bright white < 1335220863 605844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I'm too used to the terrible rendering of Menlo 13pt to use anything else now < 1335221065 400572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I'm going to send an email to THE ALAN DIPERT now < 1335221188 156777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent < 1335222334 180919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335222623 401465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This PNG is too big :'( < 1335222627 548906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you should know. < 1335222647 339998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAH PNG IS TOO BIG < 1335222683 58906 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335222942 697660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy!!! < 1335222950 848613 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1335222950 939276 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1335222960 347262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another elli- person i see < 1335222968 711436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i: played crawl more, & died more; but: the deaths weren't interesting these times < 1335222973 114648 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi can i speak with elliotts < 1335223213 799024 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you get anywhere < 1335223221 941134 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does that mean < 1335223229 342499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Nowhere of interest. < 1335223234 539674 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335223260 957575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335223351 496054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also wowe ais523 really hates crawl < 1335223365 669151 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1335223371 442474 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what you mean by really, hates, crawl < 1335223390 275803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's almost certainly worse < 1335223409 34445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his answer to every single Crawl-related question involved making Crawl look as hopelessly bad as possible < 1335223427 547636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does ais523 hate Crawl? < 1335223429 388944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is X or Y better" "who knows, it probably depends on 500 stats and nested dice rolls!" < 1335223439 698049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how should I handle this monster" "run away, like everything else" < 1335223514 627622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ps is crawl light better < 1335223518 213000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais said yes but he's biased < 1335223538 863304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if i join ##crawl will they remember that time you played all my really bad muck deaths ;___; < 1335223577 434567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you the DNS SOA entry for esolangs.org? < 1335223581 972141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to put my email there. < 1335223608 25102 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: crawl light has some noble goals but afaik it hasn't branched far enough to be substantially better oh wait no I take that back < 1335223618 655551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it got rid of item identification < 1335223620 243241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ais said the same < 1335223621 477282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a big plus < 1335223623 947538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's good < 1335223632 486803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's also working on getting rid of food? < 1335223646 591593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like how you can train things without < 1335223649 267049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having them or anything < 1335223666 26014 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl used to force you to use your skills to train them < 1335223669 479581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me it's better now < 1335223676 891544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1335223686 782464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl i can't train short blades without having had a short blade or whatever < 1335223690 87547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently in crawl light you can < 1335223695 942405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that's a bit silly < 1335223699 229143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is convenient < 1335223709 139253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also probably ##crawl won't remember your muck deaths but even if they do they won't care < 1335223717 102424 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1335223727 932555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how crawl light's experience system works < 1335223789 888882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you be esolangs.org's SOA email < 1335223796 331287 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I the DNS SOA entry? < 1335223811 662433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't do that :( < 1335223825 49806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24:41: (monqy spammed a bunch of my deaths to the TV bot) < 1335223825 442379 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24:43: (to view them) < 1335223825 514759 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24:46: (in ##crawl) < 1335223826 560786 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want to put my email address there? < 1335223829 107857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: all you have to do is forward any messages about it to me!!!!!!! < 1335223829 372866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i didn't spam them in ##crawl < 1335223832 511168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1335223833 75098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1335223837 590396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in ##crawl noticed anyway < 1335223845 542242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing i can't do bold on this client < 1335223861 557256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spammed them in private message but i queued it after some stuff people were watching on tv so < 1335224013 858894 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:35: ais523: hey, can you build walls in Crawl? < 1335224021 240010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomb card in escape decks can make temporary walls < 1335224027 28394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i did was just < 1335224031 357635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use trog's hand a lot < 1335224032 950848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to survive < 1335224034 429393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the kobolds < 1335224182 821661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, someone has to want to be my SOA. < 1335224185 302938 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1335224189 615097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! You must want to be my SOA. < 1335224200 671065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also scariest thing about ##crawl for you would probably be people mistabcompleting you/elliptic < 1335224204 943133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What does an SOA do? < 1335224216 241811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are there any other ellis in ##crawl < 1335224218 513090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if not < 1335224219 468133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be < 1335224220 174083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynched < 1335224238 705174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Responds to emails about the domain. < 1335224240 290265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just elliptic he's a regular and also a dev < 1335224247 69889 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What kind of emails. < 1335224255 790478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Uhh, none, really. < 1335224257 911007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's public. < 1335224262 233043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes, I know. < 1335224276 72604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But if there was another then people couldn't blame me for ruining tab complete. < 1335224314 410879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get ellisonch to join with you < 1335224320 906641 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does it allow me to steal the domain name if I get malicious about it? < 1335224326 606512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1335224333 518540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1335224338 521628 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then who's the point? < 1335224344 702392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. What's the point. < 1335224359 737910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could lie to people who ask about the domain < 1335224384 593458 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like saying "hi monqy" to them? < 1335224402 601160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335224430 489478 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1335224437 40924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use your email address. < 1335224601 48971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335224638 283768 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335224797 55381 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SIXTH. Find. < 1335224803 111819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1335224804 169876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1335224807 688760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1335224814 940663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you know that the only copies on sprunge are old < 1335224818 924752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a bug (that i know how to fix tho) < 1335224827 734292 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm merely curious is all. < 1335224834 897332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the code is < 1335224836 487992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREMELY UGLY < 1335224836 944411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing my own nastiness. :P < 1335224846 906067 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it should be. It's in 512 bytes and x86. < 1335224849 335735 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1335224853 662395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, uglier than you're imagining < 1335224861 868533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented my own word encoding < 1335224873 906348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres a separate compiler and interpreter < 1335224876 22589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except only the latter works < 1335224933 108692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-10.txt:00:27:26: ais523: goes through sprunge pastes I made in 2011-{03,04,09} and prints out the ones that contain "push 0xB800", which was one of the first lines of my Forth bootsector code < 1335224937 696215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I can reuse my 2011 effort to find it < 1335224966 229361 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Forth bootsector code? < 1335224974 608657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, I think it should be possible to fit a "TC but for memory" forth in the 510 bytes < 1335224979 193717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but it will be very very difficult < 1335224989 79672 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Elliott wrote a Forth in a bootsector. < 1335224990 758101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I size-optimised the hell out of everything and it still pushed up against the limit with only a few basic words < 1335224996 532082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really a Forth, it was something that could become a Forth :) < 1335225011 561835 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335225013 881466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No kidding; you'd want a truly ridiculous word encoding. < 1335225040 392534 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually. That itself might not be a big deal. What you would want is some really ridiculous primitives. < 1335225049 558268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the word encoding was simple enough < 1335225061 527525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just allowed for very few characters, and packed them together < 1335225071 97998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't allow mixing alpha+numeric < 1335225076 949538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one bit was reserved for denoting whether the thing was a number or not < 1335225083 479318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 446 bytes, please. < 1335225086 407962 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 510. < 1335225095 287318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a word could be like 5 characters in the end, IIRC < 1335225096 644687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? < 1335225107 804988 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The partition table. < 1335225111 529130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, stick the partition table in the boot sector. < 1335225131 442920 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can and should freely ignore this on floppy disks. < 1335225145 890344 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google io 446 mbr < 1335225147 969048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://io.smashthestack.org:84/intro/ < 1335225151 878304 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :446 bytes. < 1335225155 34952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, no partition table on floppies < 1335225156 88294 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you are writing a *volume* boot record, not a master boot record. < 1335225165 295387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1335225167 73685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code was like < 1335225168 156773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 or something < 1335225187 471004 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A normal MBR will just grep for the active partition and chain load the first sector of that. < 1335225187 686851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1335225189 593569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :past me is an asshole < 1335225192 119308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't link to the sprunge i found < 1335225195 944003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i can just run the script again < 1335225219 18108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great < 1335225223 433251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed differs on os x < 1335225236 551544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :katia:logs elliott$ for x in $(grep 'elliott>.*http://sprunge\.us/' 2011-0{3,4,9}-??.txt | sed 's/.*\(http[^ ]\+\).*/\1/g;'); do if curl -sS "$x" | grep -c 'bits 16' >/dev/null; then echo "$x"; fi; done < 1335225236 624031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (6) Could not resolve host: 2011-03-09.txt:21:43:04; nodename nor servname provided, or not known < 1335225236 724937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (6) Could not resolve host: ; nodename nor servname provided, or not known < 1335225239 900069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas how to fix that? < 1335225313 1506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i assign you since you're the one getting me to do it :) < 1335225400 790940 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abuh? That... *should* work. < 1335225429 700892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe remove that semicolon after g? Otherwise, though, ? < 1335225501 437171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe look at the output and see what's going on? < 1335225560 440984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i suspect it's some gnu extension < 1335225575 757664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing semicolon didn't work < 1335225590 141442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: < 1335225599 1688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-09.txt:21:43:04: < 1335225599 74398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1335225599 74596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iYag