00:04:44 monqy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Creation_of_the_Sun_and_Moon_face_detail.jpg 00:06:44 shachaf: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Man_in_the_Moon_with_key.jpg 00:07:55 shachaf: did you know: lesser known monqy trivia: at school: this reallye happened: someone nicknamed me "god" (why??) 00:08:13 monqy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FullMoon2010.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Llave_bronce.jpg 00:08:29 monqy: Wait, you go to elliott? 00:09:00 what? 00:09:05 monqy: can i call you god 00:09:09 sure 00:09:11 ok 00:09:16 shachaf: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Man_In_The_Moon2.png 00:09:21 why doesn'tcrawl have monqy as a go 00:09:21 d 00:09:25 if i patched that in would they accpt it 00:09:33 preobably knot :( 00:09:37 why 00:09:39 are the devteam 00:09:40 so 00:09:40 horrible 00:09:43 are they called devteam 00:09:45 they are in nethacke 00:10:01 i dont really know if theres "one true name" for them 00:10:08 usually it's devs or dev team or devteam or something like that 00:10:50 monqy: elliott am school 00:11:13 it is written in the booke of monqy: 00:11:15 hi 00:11:37 crawl doesnt have book of x intros 00:11:38 it has 00:11:48 "They say the Orb of Zot exists deep, deep down but nobody ever got it." 00:12:03 im' talknig about nethack :'( 00:12:06 *say that 00:12:28 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~markm/git?p=crawl-ref.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=46c3bdfbb600940b5de1c4a9e9750f247568facf 00:12:28 right 00:12:30 *christ 00:12:30 literally 00:12:34 every single one 00:12:35 is terrible 00:12:46 is crawl really c++ 00:12:52 yes 00:13:04 Crawl is written in C++??!?!! 00:13:05 why 00:13:09 i've patched it it's a pain 00:13:18 historical artefact i guess 00:13:23 monqy: WELEL IVEEE PATCHED NETJHAKC!! 00:13:25 It was a pain. 00:13:29 And I wrote really bad code. :-( 00:13:46 I was younger and foolisher than elliott. 00:13:48 one time i patched nethack too but it was just for playing around (with crawl the patches actually got put into the game true story) 00:13:59 My patch is running on NAO. 00:14:01 shachaf: donte be silly that was the guy who invented json 00:14:09 elliott: No it was me. :-( 00:14:11 I wrote the code. 00:14:13 nope 00:14:19 ur just trying to take credit 00:14:20 for his work 00:14:21 ohh no 00:14:25 "who shoudl i belev" 00:14:28 OH NO :"( 00:14:35 believe me im expert 00:14:38 ok ! 00:14:39 monqy: you soudl belev me 00:14:44 o no! 00:14:47 my name is on the patch 00:14:52 elliottes isnt 00:15:00 patch "by shachef not elliotts" 00:15:01 whos expert now elliotte 00:15:33 if crawl code wasn't painful i probably would have made my very own fork 00:15:46 crawlqy 00:15:47 but since it is "welp" 00:15:50 hi crawl 00:15:52 monqrawl 00:16:02 qrawl 00:16:03 what if monqrawl and crawlqy merged 00:16:06 it could be called 00:16:07 monqy 00:16:10 yes 00:16:25 monqy = beste game 00:16:50 but probably it would be qcrawl since the de-facto standard naming scheme for crawl variatns that dont exist is (letter)crawl and mcrawl is already taken 00:17:07 monqy crawl stone soup 00:17:23 incidentally i'm listed on the mcrawl devteam (the mcrawl devteam is just people who say silly things that should change about crawl) 00:17:32 ((except for rwbarton who sometimes implements them)) 00:17:34 erm 00:17:36 by json 00:17:37 i mean yaml 00:17:41 basically the same thing right 00:17:48 Monqy V: The Scrolls of Oreze 00:18:06 monqy: whate about crawl lighte 00:18:07 yet another javascript objectnotation 00:18:11 whatse the letter THER 00:18:16 crawl light exists 00:18:32 it's imamture but it exists 00:18:43 lole 00:18:53 elliott: HLep i jsut read haskell code like c++?:( 00:19:02 oops 00:19:08 monqy: https://gitorious.org/~rwbarton/crawl/mcrawl 00:19:16 hel.pe 00:19:20 *hel. pe 00:19:21 "i'll be darned" 00:19:25 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:19:35 i knew some codeing was implemtned but i forgot it had a repositeor 00:20:51 hi rwbarton 00:21:07 I met rwbarton once. 00:21:19 in bsotone 00:23:10 http://rwbarton.com/ "Welcome aboard. This site is dedicated to the thoughts and interests of rwbarton. " Powered by WebSite TONIGHT from godaddy.com 00:23:46 is that the saim rwbarton or a diferent rwbarton 00:24:54 oh no, domainsbyproxy 00:25:10 quotation from rwbarton.com "Therefore, as this Easter day draws to a close, how fitting that we contemplate atoning Jesusbending and curved in Gethsemane. His bleeding curvature transformed the grammar of death. Until Gethsemane and Calvary, death was a punctuating, rigid exclamation point! Then death, too, curvedinto a mere comma!" 00:25:22 hi 00:25:39 wasnt't sourcrereal also domainsbyproxy 00:26:21 and theres another site that i realized sourcreal reminded me of but it's gone now :'( it was like sourcereal years ago for me when i was just a kiddo who didnt knew about sourcreal 00:26:33 what was it callede 00:27:09 teaandcrumpets.co.uk "have you heard of it" 00:27:30 teaandtrumpets.org.uk 00:27:48 it had a page where they time traveled and prevented the holocaust by way of hitler forming an um pa pa band 00:28:07 http://web.archive.org/web/20091208063734/http://www.teaandcrumpets.co.uk/ 00:28:27 the images look a bit gone :( 00:28:28 http://web.archive.org/web/20060616121723/http://www.teaandcrumpets.co.uk/ this one is lesss broke 00:28:31 monqy: that sounds like a fascinating universe, but, theres no guarantee that it's a better one 00:28:42 thats old teaancrumpets from before i knew of it 00:30:31 First off we took a trip to Germany during the early 1940’s and convinced Hitler that mutton chops and a top had were the right kind of fashion accessory for a evil dictator, of course we knew that they are the tools of comedy. 00:30:43 oh no the picture of hitler in a top hat is gone 00:31:09 does Godwin's law apply in this situation? 00:31:32 So that’s Hitler sorted out, you may be interested to know what happened to Hitler and the rest of the Second World War well Hitler formed the now world famous German um-pa band im hitler fühlen meine Freude. 00:31:36 Previously to this he handed back all the Jews unharmed and gave control of the invaded countries to random world leaders that were pulled out of his prize bingo machine that he loved so much, this was the favored option over blindfolded darts with a map of the World as this was deemed unsafe and unfair. 00:31:50 Actually, it's a universe in which there is no Godwin's law. 00:32:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mike_Godwin_at_Wikimedia_2010.jpg 00:32:18 "hi im godwin's law" 00:32:31 gasp 00:32:39 Godwin is an actual lawyer. 00:35:16 He works at the WMF. 00:35:51 worked 00:36:27 Oh, no longer? 00:36:42 He seems like a nice guy. 00:37:46 he has also commented on the talk page of the article about him 00:41:46 monqy: this isnt usenete :'( 00:41:56 elliott: Remember Usenet? 00:42:11 I once spammed Usenet. :-( 00:42:15 About what? 00:43:17 Something I was selling on eBay. :-( 00:43:27 I feel like a terrible person whenever I think about it. 00:43:31 I had no idea what I was doing. 00:44:08 monqy: "am i a teriblle pesrson" 00:44:25 What were you selling? 00:44:38 You're just asking because you want to find the post. :-( 00:45:38 (You'll be able to find it based on the information I've given you, I think.) 00:46:01 I don't want to, no. 00:46:06 I'm just curious. 00:46:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkalong_glider 00:47:03 I had spent a long time looking for those and couldn't find them anywhere online. 00:47:09 Then I found several for sale in a local store. 00:47:21 So I bought an extra one and thought I'd put it online for people like me to find. 00:47:28 On Usenet? 00:47:51 Yes. :-( 00:47:55 Ok ok I admit it.. when I said, Monqy V: The Scrolls of Oreze, the way I arrived at Oreze was capitalizeFirstLetter(reverse("zero") + "e") 00:49:47 monqy: capitalising the first letter of monqy is sin right 00:50:11 depending on what you mean by sin 00:50:25 sin 00:50:32 haha.. you will never resolve that definition in time to act upon it 00:51:15 > let monqy = 5 in sin monqy 00:51:17 -0.9589242746631385 00:51:25 oh n(o'( 00:51:27 : 00:53:33 Is fmap sin a sinner? 00:53:51 don't hate the monqy 00:53:54 hate trigonometry 00:54:35 ok 00:54:38 i hate trigonometry 00:54:45 trigger no metry 00:55:04 elliott: how britsih 00:55:11 what 00:55:15 "trigger" 00:55:22 help 00:55:30 Here in AMERICA, we'd pronounce the 'r' at the end. 00:55:39 metori no torigga 00:56:11 doki doki monogatari 00:56:28 namco bandai games sponser 00:56:42 日本ではかなと漢字を使う！ 00:57:36 pikhq: How do I learn Japanlanguage. :-( 01:06:58 ok so they don't say sponser 01:08:40 sponcer 01:09:46 i dunno what they say its like Namco Bandai Games To 01:10:23 i know" to" can mean "and" .. ahh who knows 01:17:43 but when the games have names like kingdom hearts 3d: dream drop distance, and extend every extra .. i'm not worried 01:18:33 do you realise you never make any fucking sense 01:19:05 don't worry itidus20 i like it that way 01:19:28 (i still have yet to resolve that definition have i run out of time to act upon it) 01:20:19 ok i'll try to clarify.. trigonometry -> trigger no metry -> . o O (metry no trigger -> metori no torigga(not an actual transliteration) ) 01:21:34 doki doki is an onomatopeia representing a heart beating in a panic which is occasionally used in video game titles 01:21:47 monogatari means something like story and also shows up in video game titles 01:21:53 toriganametori for realz 01:22:07 does doukutsu mean: cave 01:22:37 Dictionary says "yes". 01:23:09 "namco bandai games" is something a hyper-enthused japanese man says in the introduction to dragon ball kai (an abridged series of dragon ball z) episodes 01:24:11 and finally, there is a game named Extend Every Extra, and as google told me another one named Extend Every Extra Extreme. And another game named Kingdom Hearts 3D subtitled Dream Drop Distance 01:25:12 But obviously my explanation does nothing to make it look like I don't have a thought disorder. 01:25:42 Which I might have liked. 01:26:42 jesus christ 01:36:15 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 01:37:59 That reminds me of a weird game 01:38:11 Nanaka Crash 01:38:31 It's literally only because of "namco" which sounded familiar 01:56:54 -!- elliott has quit. 01:57:15 -!- elliott has joined. 02:04:33 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:06:27 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 02:16:59 -!- MSleep has joined. 02:18:01 elliott, monqy update 02:18:13 can he be decisive about anything yet 02:19:09 `quote cblink 02:19:11 841) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 02:20:42 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:27:07 -!- MSleep has changed nick to MDude. 02:32:51 hahahaha im 02:32:58 five of my quotes 02:33:00 are in this week's HWN 02:33:01 FIVE 02:33:06 out of ten 02:35:29 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 02:36:17 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:12:21 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 03:38:51 @time monqy 03:38:57 Local time for monqy is Wed Apr 25 20:38:51 2012 03:41:55 @time 03:41:59 Local time for shachaf is Wed Apr 25 20:41:55 2012 03:46:47 Google is giving me trouble 03:47:07 There we go 04:01:48 -!- MDude has changed nick to MSleep. 04:11:52 and 2 of shachaf's 04:15:32 it's funny to me.. I have absolutely no conception of where this place fits into the world at large. I am naive and innocent. 04:17:16 what 04:19:04 well you guys seem to be signifigant in the realm of HWN 04:19:17 you're like celebrities 04:19:39 no we just hang out in #haskell 04:22:43 *contemplates* i think noone i have ever met face to face in real life (except the the time i was at school -- none of my classmates for some of that time though) would have the foggiest clue what a haskell was. 04:22:43 Whoa, man, I've been "ed in HWN. 04:22:44 (That says "double-quoted", by the way.) 04:22:44 itidus: It's actually a quoting ring. 04:22:44 I @remembered one of those quotes of elliott's; elliott @remembered one of mine. 04:23:32 -!- shachaf has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 04:23:35 oh.. hmm.. this one guy my dad was friends with might 04:23:36 -!- shachaf has joined. 04:23:38 I met someone who is a major Haskell fan 04:23:44 And I told my gf about Haskell 04:23:50 21:19 < elliott> no we just hang out in #haskell 04:23:52 21:21 < shachaf> Whoa, man, I've been "ed in HWN. 04:23:55 21:22 < shachaf> (That says "double-quoted", by the way.) 04:23:57 21:22 < shachaf> itidus: It's actually a quoting ring. 04:24:00 21:22 < shachaf> I @remembered one of those quotes of elliott's; elliott @remembered one of mine. 04:24:18 i think i could safely convince most people a haskell was a form of cough syrup 04:25:04 derived from the haskell bird 04:25:20 Oh, my text came through before. 04:25:28 Did I get disconnected? 04:25:40 check the logs 04:26:03 Stalker mode is broken. 04:26:11 Or my Internet connection is just really really slow. 04:26:21 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=797 ms 04:26:28 ok ok you disconnected 04:26:38 "* shachaf has quit (Quit: Reconnecting)" 04:26:41 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:26:48 I'm getting *dozens* of kB/s. 04:26:58 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 04:31:24 -!- MSleep has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:35:28 -!- spaceships has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 04:37:24 -!- Spot_ has joined. 04:40:57 `addquote 200 and 20 are the same different notations for the same thing 04:41:00 846) 200 and 20 are the same different notations for the same thing 04:41:33 `welcome Spot_ 04:41:37 Spot_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 04:41:41 -!- Spot_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:56:32 `welcome HackEgo 04:56:35 HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 04:57:00 `welcome A man with a space for a face 04:57:05 A: man: with: a: space: for: a: face: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 04:57:17 Well, that's interesting 04:57:43 its for welcoming multiple people 04:58:47 I am now bizarrely proud of "A man with a space for a face" 04:58:59 Doesn't help that I was just reading Lyttle Lytton stuff 04:59:15 Due to tswett 04:59:47 cool 05:02:14 a man with a space for a face 05:09:28 http://adamcadre.ac/12lyttle.html 05:09:32 tswett's on there 05:20:59 Why is my DNS sucking? 05:23:47 elliott: Wait a minute... 05:23:58 How do Britishizens pronounce "argh"? 05:24:32 they don't 05:27:15 What if they see it written down? 05:29:32 argh 05:29:59 it's not a good thing 05:30:12 shachaf: They go off for tea instead. 05:30:49 I BET ELLIOTT DRINKS GREEN TEA 05:30:54 nope 05:30:54 hate it 05:30:57 more or less 05:32:29 i think it might be a silent "gh" 05:33:06 or a very loud one 05:35:47 ghoti 05:36:08 disregard my comments as per usual 05:36:37 Argh! is an esoteric programming language in the spirit of Befunge, Brainfuck, and friends 05:45:46 Are you a trope/ 06:14:55 kmc: I hear there's a much more stylish and professional competitor to mosh. It's called the Portable Shell. 06:15:05 womp womp 06:15:34 That makes me think of a wumpus, not a trombone. 06:17:30 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:17:30 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 06:17:30 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:18:55 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:32:01 -!- azaq23 has joined. 06:32:10 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 06:32:35 -!- azaq23 has joined. 06:34:48 * pikhq_ declares "wut". 06:35:35 hi pikhq. hikhq 06:35:37 There was an anime called "Superbook". It was Bible. Produced by Tatsunoko Productions in conjunction with Christian Broadcasting Network for the purpose of, well, evangelism. 06:35:46 It was the first anime broadcast in the US. 06:35:58 *Pat Robertson* is responsible for that. 06:37:18 Is it bad in a good way, by any chance? 06:37:32 Sounds like it could be fun 06:37:53 megafun 06:38:04 Can't tell you. 06:38:07 Do they get to experience the story with the two she-bears? 06:38:16 I doubt it. 06:38:35 TV Tropes claims that it was good. 06:38:37 That sounds boring. 06:39:18 Well, hmm 06:39:33 It's surely possible to enjoy fiction that promotes a PoV that I don't agree with 06:39:51 Trivial, in fact. 06:40:18 I anticipate Heinlein would have at least half the fandom otherwise. 06:41:35 hm 06:41:58 I guess liking Libera doesn't really prove anything, does it >.> 06:42:14 That's just music, and I don't understand most of the lyrics 06:42:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmA4imWeqA 06:46:02 kmc: I found a worse offender for sparking useless IRC discussions full of hand-waving and pet broken explanations than "what is monad?". 06:47:34 shachaf: "What is functional programming?" 06:47:36 ? 06:47:48 "What is 0.999repeating?" 06:47:58 I think that question ought to win an award or something. 06:48:06 It's like the busy-beaver function of IRC arguments. 06:48:22 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:48:52 Why Every Proof that .999... = 1 is Wrong http://youtu.be/wsOXvQn3JuE 06:49:28 CHECKMATE, MATHEMATICIANS 06:51:23 -!- Sgeo has joined. 06:52:54 That is... Definitely the most painful Vi Hart video. 06:53:16 The "humor" such as it is just falls really, really flat. 06:53:19 Is she saying that it's not equal, or that common proofs don't work? 06:53:23 I didn't watch yet? 06:53:24 pikhq: Meh, i liked it. 06:53:31 Sgeo: She's saying it's April 1st. 06:53:52 Oh 06:54:06 It’s April 0.999…? 06:55:41 pikhq_, hit your head with this video, which I think is serious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfZ8hmmApE 07:00:20 not even going to bother 07:01:06 Sgeo: All I get from that is that omnipotence is a damned confusing property for anything to have. 07:01:37 And that whoever did this video is retarded. 07:01:39 pikhq_, how does a "set of all powers" become a "universal set" in the mathematical sense that the video is using? 07:01:56 Sgeo: It doesn't, this guy is retarded. 07:02:42 Correction, maximally retarded. 07:03:13 o.O? 07:03:26 I never really payed attention to this person's math 07:03:38 Just the attempted connection between "universal set" and "set of all powers" 07:04:25 Honestly, this feels a lot like some of those fundies on Youtube willfully misunderstanding everything to desperately cling on to things. 07:05:14 It doesn't matter what the issue is, there will be idiots who attempt to support their side, and fail miserably 07:05:51 Although I can't follow the mathematics, I was also skeptical of that first assumption that God represents a "universal set". God is often said to be preexistent, which means that such a being would be beyond the existent world of time & space. That would make the presence or absence of God unknowable and undefinable by religious dogma. I consider attempts at proving or disproving the existence (or preexistence) of God, by use of t 07:05:51 he scriptures, science or math, to be futile. 07:07:23 The "there are idiots who will fail to support 1+1=2" thing also applies to comments on the video. 07:07:38 *successfully support 07:07:58 Not that you can meaningfully "prove" things scientifically, unless by "prove" you mean "estabilish that foo is most likely the case", anyways. 07:08:51 Sgeo: And, yeah. Regardless of how right or wrong something is, there are idiots who will support it. 07:27:04 -!- asiekierka_ has joined. 07:58:15 * pikhq_ declares shenanigans 07:58:21 --- www.l.google.com ping statistics --- 07:58:21 21 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19999ms 08:08:26 pikhq_ no, many things are unsupported 08:09:24 qfr: Only because the set of things is unbound, but the set of idiots is definitely bound. 08:09:33 And, of course, an individual idiot can only support finite things. 08:09:51 If we had infinite idiots, this would not be the case. 08:13:13 What's with the l? 08:17:46 I dunno; the DNS redirects there though. 08:18:03 Well, rather, the reverse DNS comes up as that. 08:18:31 They do quite a lot of it. 08:18:36 api.google.com is an alias for api.l.google.com. 08:18:38 And others. 08:20:01 -!- comex` has joined. 08:20:04 Both google.com and l.google.com have the same nameservers, though they do have somewhat different TTL values. 08:20:58 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:20:58 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:20:58 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:23:14 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:24:41 -!- lambdabot has joined. 08:25:31 -!- asiekierka_ has changed nick to asiekierka. 08:30:10 -!- olsner has joined. 08:45:04 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:48:25 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:01:32 -!- shubshub has joined. 09:01:36 hi 09:01:59 anyone here???? 09:02:31 no 09:02:34 `welcome shubshub 09:02:43 I wanna Make my own version of brainfuck 09:02:44 shubshub: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 09:02:49 sure go ahead 09:02:56 PH will be mad though 09:03:04 whose PH 09:04:21 how do i make one 09:04:54 ph is phantom hoover 09:05:02 c.f. http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Phantom_Hoover 09:05:12 you make one by deciding on uhh meanings for new commands or 09:05:16 change the existing instructions to be different 09:05:17 or wahtever 09:05:19 then put it on the wiki 09:05:34 How???? 09:05:47 i'm 09:05:52 not sure what you're having difficulty understanding 09:05:55 you just 09:05:57 write some words 09:06:03 explaining what the new brainfuck-like language does 09:06:05 on the wiki 09:06:08 How do I change the commands what do I use Please Help im New to this 09:06:28 you don't use any tool, you just describe it in english... if you want to change an interpreter to do your language then that's different 09:06:31 you'll have to modify its code 09:06:39 where do I get this code 09:06:42 but the wiki accepts unimplemented languages so that's by no means a requirement 09:06:45 uhhh from any brainfuck implementation 09:06:51 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_implementations here's a whole bunch 09:07:37 is there Maybe an Interpreter written In Batch??? 09:07:43 i doubt it 09:07:46 i'm not sure batch is powerful enough 09:07:49 would it be possible? 09:07:52 maybe 09:07:57 i don't know enough about batch to say for sure, I don't use Windowd 09:07:58 s 09:08:00 should I give it a try 09:08:05 sure 09:08:07 Im Pretty Good with batch 09:08:22 Basically to change what something is you do set something=blah 09:08:45 then you can do set something=%something:h=g% then it would become blag 09:09:10 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:09:53 with something like that would it be possible or is it completely impossible? 09:10:42 Im Gonna Make a BrainFuck Interpreter and call it BatchFuck 09:10:47 ok 09:10:50 you'll need at least looping 09:10:53 so 09:10:56 hmmm? 09:11:02 well 09:11:04 [ and ] let you do loops 09:11:05 so 09:11:09 you'll need to be able to do that 09:11:11 in batch 09:11:43 Im pretty sure you can by doing ( / will mean a new line btw) :first / echo hi / goto first 09:11:49 would that be a loop? 09:14:32 i dunno 09:14:33 try it 09:14:55 does BrainFuck Have Networking Capabilities? 09:15:07 It does if you pipe its output into netcat 09:15:16 wtf is netcat? 09:15:21 man nc 09:15:28 hmmm? 09:15:28 ...then again it's not a standard tool 09:15:30 google it 09:15:37 Also why Do You Randomly capitalize Stuff? 09:15:42 well then since it doesnt then Batch will be totally possible 09:16:23 batch can't necessarily do any computational task not involving networking... 09:16:46 https://github.com/masarakki/r-fxxk 09:17:14 https://github.com/masarakki/r-fxxk/blob/master/lib/r-fxxk.rb <- although it doesn't even seem to support reading input ¬u¬ 09:17:23 Then again the only thing people use brainfuck for is writing hello world so who needs input 09:17:28 and it says "BrainFuck" sigh 09:17:43 People have Made Games In brainfuck 09:17:57 shubshub: Are you German? 09:18:03 No Im Kiwi 09:18:04 does german capitalise "in" 09:18:08 nope 09:18:14 shubshub: is your caps lock broken 09:18:16 are you ok 09:18:17 shubshub: Why do you capitalize random words 09:18:18 Its a force of Habbit I have' 09:18:26 its understandable 09:18:31 i have a nasty force of hobbit myself 09:18:32 Stop doing it, it looks pre 09:18:34 tentious 09:18:36 sorry 09:18:42 Lumpio-: whoah man!! 09:18:44 so stifling 09:18:48 ahah 09:18:50 loosen up a little and let hte magic of capitalisation into your life 09:18:58 no. 09:19:03 yes 09:19:34 Nope. 09:19:49 yes 09:19:59 you don't know 09:20:01 what i'm capable of 09:20:08 (mostly yelling) 09:20:47 lul wtf someone wrote a brainfuck intepreter in BrainFuck 09:20:56 there's several 09:22:00 -!- fungot has joined. 09:22:02 Hey, where's... oh, there it is. 09:22:18 -!- aloril has joined. 09:22:32 hi fizzie 09:24:12 elliot what would be the easiest brainfuck interpreter to understand on that Link you gave me???? 09:24:13 Why not write a brainfuck interpreter in brainfuck 09:24:28 BrainFucks to hard for me to understand so Im gonna make my own 09:24:32 That's the best way to prove it's turing complete. 09:24:41 Because if something can implement brainfuck, it's turing complete. 09:24:55 This argument is correct because billions of religious people use the same argument to justify their life. 09:25:04 And billions of people can't possibly be wrong. 09:25:23 Too hard to understand eh 09:25:23 wat 09:25:57 I wrote brainfuck in pure functional style just to shove it at the face of people who claim functional programming languages can't solve everything an imperative language can 09:28:40 The easiest to understand is obviously: 09:28:42 ^source 09:28:42 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 09:28:44 can I write it in another language then convert it into Brainfuck? 09:29:17 Lines 294-306 + 351-372 of that are the clearest brainfuck interp. 09:29:37 link me please fizzie 09:29:47 That was the link, right there. 09:29:54 from fungot? 09:29:55 shubshub: haha. " i heard it's good" 09:29:58 Yes. 09:30:03 ^source ? 09:30:03 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 09:30:08 oh it auto pastes 09:30:08 Also what a fortuitous response. 09:30:15 ^hi 09:30:24 ^help 09:30:24 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 09:30:30 its freaking Impossible for me to read 09:30:49 did you make sure to read the right lines 09:31:14 I honestly can not understand it 09:31:15 I do hope those were the right lines. It was a very quick glance. 09:31:36 don'tworry i can't understand that one wiether 09:32:10 can i write It In BASIC then convert it Into brainfuck code? 09:32:40 if you use BFBASIC 09:32:40 sure 09:32:51 http://esolangs.org/wiki/BFBASIC 09:32:53 ^bf ,[>,]<[.<]!skrow ti tub 09:32:54 but it works 09:33:00 that's what the game is written in 09:33:04 well the good game 09:33:07 ^bf 09:33:30 I'm written in brainfuck 09:33:31 ^bf,[>,]<[.<] 09:33:35 lol 09:33:43 I have a Haskell interpreter (written in brainfuck) 09:33:47 -!- shubshub has changed nick to shubshub_has_bee. 09:33:49 > fix show 09:33:49 "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... 09:33:52 -!- shubshub_has_bee has changed nick to shubshub. 09:34:01 also by brainfuck i mean haskell 09:34:06 @bf ,[.,] 09:34:06 Done. 09:34:25 wow I didnt even know my nickname was registered to me^_^ 09:34:51 fizzie: tell me about speech recognition 09:34:54 the nitty gritty theory of it 09:34:56 fungot: hi 09:34:57 shubshub: assuming ( number? 2) t not work on them? please? 09:35:03 fungot: r u real? 09:35:04 shubshub: f! h;! " icfp has been full of exciting conversations on esoteric and brainfuck! 09:35:10 fungot: >>> 09:35:10 shubshub: my intentions are not fnord, last checked fnord) ( i know of 09:35:14 lol 09:35:26 fizzie: lots of mathematics and symbols and the like preferably, i like it raw 09:37:09 fizzie: :/ 09:39:17 Well, I mean, it's just \argmax_{words} P(words | sound), that's all there is to it. 09:40:38 noooo 09:40:40 more maths 09:41:38 MY BASIC CODE ISNT COMPILIONG!!!!!\ 09:41:39 Well okay sometimes you Bayes it up and P(sound | words) P(words) instead. 09:42:11 ok teach me about something that isnt 09:42:14 speech 09:42:16 recognitions 09:42:30 Here is My script: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L9zEYWbV whats wrong with it??? 09:42:47 Im Using http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Execute_Brain****/BASIC/QuickBasic btw 09:42:57 http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Execute_Brain****/BASIC/QuickBasic 09:43:19 What does MID$ do? 09:43:28 idk 09:43:29 I'm wondering how instruction knows to stop reading characters 09:43:45 Im Just Using a source 09:43:45 To stop at the end of lol or keep going for lolol, for example 09:44:32 shubshub, did the original source you used just interpret normal Brainfuck? > < + - etc? 09:44:43 yes 09:44:51 Because in that case, it's quite likely that you'll need to do more than just replace those 09:45:00 what do you mean 09:45:04 Because your interpreter will need to find the boundaries for each instruction now 09:45:13 The original one just knew that one character is one instructions 09:45:21 And I suspect that your modifications did not change that fact. 09:45:27 bfbasic does not run arbitrary basic. 09:45:31 *compile 09:45:34 it compiles a restricted dialect. 09:45:42 what??? 09:45:43 ...this is bfbasic? 09:45:46 yea 09:45:55 Im trying to make Basic code then convert it to BrainFuck 09:46:01 hi 09:46:16 Well, I don't know anything about Basic or BFBasic, just saying what I'm guessing based on what you've said 09:46:57 Oh, well, what I said wouldn't be a compile error 09:47:12 this is a trainwreck 09:47:20 shubshub, you should try to get it to work on QuickBasic before attempting to port to BFBasic 09:47:23 One step at a time, etc. 09:47:25 elliott: Well uh I guess it's pretty nifty that http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/stuffs.png I just wrote that for the homeworks of one of our courses. 09:47:33 How do I write BFBasic? 09:47:40 fizzie: That's nice. Can you say it in-channel? 09:47:42 I can't view PNGs. 09:47:44 I use BeOS. 09:48:06 sorry its Just Im a One of those stick with what I orignally had in mind people 09:48:25 Q(theta, theta^old) = sum from t=2 to T sum i=1 to 6 sum k=1 to 6 ... I don't know what that letter is 09:48:32 elliott: Um, okay, it was just $Q(\TT, \TT^{\mathrm{old}}) = \sum_{t=2}^T \sum_{i=1}^6 \sum_{k=1}^6 \xi(z_{t-1,i},z_{t,k}) \ln a_{i,k} + \sum_{t=1}^T \sum_{k=1}^6 \sum_{d=1}^5 \gamma(z_{t,k}) \left[ -\frac{(x_{t,d}-\mu_{k,d})^2}{2\sigma_{k,d}^2} - \frac{1}{2} \ln 2\pi\sigma_{k,d}^2 \right]$. 09:48:39 lul wut 09:48:40 fizzie: Ah, of course. 09:48:44 shubshub: What? It's simple. 09:48:52 It's just a bunch of sums. 09:48:56 teach me 09:49:01 please 09:49:06 Teach you what? 09:49:10 Sgeo: It's a lowercase xi. 09:49:28 Teach me How to write the interpreter In BFBASIC 09:49:38 shubshub, first, figure it out with QuickBasic 09:49:44 How are you trying to compile it? 09:49:50 Using BFBASIC 09:50:19 shubshub, well, the interpreter you found is not written in BFBASIC. It's written in a language that is different but looks similar. 09:53:13 shubshub, so first, try to obtain QuickBasic. Try to see if you can get the original code to run. Once you've done that, try to modify it 09:53:31 shubshub, alternatively: Try compiling the original code with BFBASIC. Observe it fail to compile. 09:53:42 it didnt compile 09:54:10 shubshub, and what did you try? 09:54:20 Sorry, suggested too many things at once 09:54:50 I used the original basic code and it failed to compile 09:55:39 shubshub, ok. So the code you found will not work in BFBASIC. If you still want to stick to that code, it should run on QuickBasic. 09:57:34 Id Like something that I can compile Into BrainFuck code so it makes me look so pro 09:58:14 i can assure you there is little risk of that 09:58:24 what do you mean 09:58:37 ? 09:58:41 sorry i was talking to fizzie 09:58:44 k 10:04:21 SOMeone tell me how to download the C2BF compiler pleASE? 10:04:42 https://c2bf.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brainfuck/c2bf/trunk/ i dont know which files I Need 10:06:05 -!- cheater__ has joined. 10:06:15 you need svn to download it 10:06:20 http://subversion.tigris.org/ 10:06:28 ohs orry 10:06:29 http://subversion.apache.org/ 10:06:41 D: dammit 10:07:02 you will also need a c compiler and a unix build environment 10:08:53 Quick what does this say In Brain fuck?: +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++<<<<-]+++++++++++++++++++++++++>>---.>+.+++++++..+++.<<<+++++++.>>+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.<<<+. 10:09:16 ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++<<<<-]+++++++++++++++++++++++++>>---.>+.+++++++..+++.<<<+++++++.>>+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.<<<+. 10:09:16 Hello World! 10:09:20 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:09:21 it says poop 10:09:35 ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++<<<<-]+++++++++++++++++++++++++>>---.>+.+++++++..+++.<<<+++++++.>>+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.<<<+. 10:09:35 Hello World! 10:09:38 poop 10:09:47 Yay 10:10:17 +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++<<<<-]+++++++++++++++++++++++++>>---.---.+++++++..+++.<<+++++++.>>----------.++++++++++++++.----.+++++.---------------.+++++++++++++.---------.------.<<.>>.+++++.-------.+++++++++++++..---------.+++++++.<<.>>+++++++.-----------.+++++++++++++.<++++++++++++++++.>--.<++++++.>++.<------.<.>>++.-----.---.+++++.<+++.<.>>.<+++.+.>-. 10:10:30 ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++<<<<-]+++++++++++++++++++++++++>>---.---.+++++++..+++.<<+++++++.>>----------.++++++++++++++.----.+++++.---------------.+++++++++++++.---------.------.<<.>>.+++++.-------.+++++++++++++..---------.+++++++.<<.>>+++++++.-----------.+++++++++++++.<++++++++++++++++.>--.<++++++.>++.<------.<.>>++.-----.---.+++++.<+++.<.>>.<+++.+.>-. 10:10:30 HELLO ESOTERIC CHANNEL SHUBSHUB WROTE THIS 10:10:42 -!- mvta has joined. 10:10:49 `welcome mvta 10:10:51 ^ruby 10:10:53 mvta: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 10:10:53 -!- mvta has left. 10:10:55 ^ruby hi 10:10:58 ^bf hi 10:10:59 !bf_txtgen HELLO ESOTERIC CHANNEL SHUBSHUB WROTE THIS 10:11:04 ​254 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++>+++++>++<<<<-]>++.>>-.<<++++..+++.>>>++++.<<-.<++++.----.+++++.>.<--.>++++.>--.>.<.<-.>--.<++++++..>++++.<--.>>.<<+++++++.>+++.<++.>------.<<+.>>++++++.<.>------.>.<<++.<-.---.>---.>+++.>.<<.>+++.+.<-.>>----------------------. [507] 10:11:17 !bf_txtgen WTF ITS THAT EASY WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME 10:11:20 ​260 ++++++++++++++[>++++++>++>+++++>+++++<<<<-]>+++.---.>>.<++++.>>+++.<<<.-.>.<+.>>>-.<-----.<<.>.<---------------.>>.++++++++++++++++++.++++++.<.>--.>.<++.<.<-.>>>+.<<<.>>>+++++.<-----.<.>+++++.>+.<----.<.>-.<<+.+++++++..>.>>--.--------.<<----------------------. 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It was called functional bf and I don't remember that much of it except it used lambdas 14:29:17 why did you go from talking about me to talking about some boat suddenly 14:29:23 elliott: three mdashes in a row in the topic? seriously? 14:29:42 Apparently one of my languages was reclassified as a BF derivative :( 14:29:46 (Which is fair since it's a BF derivative) 14:29:51 what language 14:29:54 2L 14:30:22 Intercontinental brick launched. 14:30:50 Writing esoteric languages isn't normal, but on Brainfuck derivatives, it is. BF derivatives: never once. 14:30:55 -!- Gregor has set topic: You guys Pinkie Pie just wants everypony to smiiiile ——————————————————————————Gregor | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 14:31:06 ais523: fixt 14:33:03 DISAPPOINTED BY LACK OF HATRED HERE. 14:33:11 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:36:03 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 15:09:20 -!- Hjkl has joined. 15:09:46 -!- Hjkl has changed nick to Guest74158. 15:10:08 -!- Guest74158 has quit (Client Quit). 15:18:40 -!- ellisonch has joined. 15:28:04 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:30:15 -!- boily has joined. 15:35:09 -!- Ngevd has joined. 15:35:21 Hello! 15:35:26 no 15:35:32 well okay hello 15:35:49 https://p.twimg.com/ArXcPfoCIAE1r0G.jpg:large 15:36:11 +1 15:38:28 Phantom_Hoover, how's your brick? 15:38:42 I didn't exactly fit telemetry to it. 15:38:48 But have you heard from Gregor lately? 15:39:02 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ellipsis 15:39:22 what about it? 15:39:49 Phantom_Hoover's brick may be interested 15:40:22 we talked avbout it before you joined 15:40:28 Ah 15:40:35 So, Phantom_Hoover's brick is in use? 15:40:46 It was aimed at Gregor, as it happens. 15:41:22 But then we'll only have at least 0 IOCCC winners! 15:41:45 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:43:05 Gregor: how does your jit in your IOCCC entry work? 15:43:44 -!- boily has joined. 15:45:29 Magically 15:46:02 Ngevd: Ellipsis seems to be an uninteresting Unary derivative 15:46:10 so it's a BF derivative derivative, more than anything else 15:46:51 Ooh, I made one of those many years ago 15:47:04 uninteresting? bah 15:48:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 15:50:24 listrophy: is it your language? sorry, we just get a huge number of BF-alikes in here and it starts to get repetitive after a while 15:52:44 ais523: yeah, it's mine 15:53:05 have you seen Unary before? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary 15:53:10 if not, congratulations on rediscovering it 15:53:21 there should be a wiki for noobs where bf derivatives are ok, and another one for us true esolangers, which would be nice and empty except for some archaic jewels. 15:53:28 ais523: so, i wrote it to make fun of semicolon, ignorant of esolangs.org 15:53:40 listrophy: that seems reasonable enough 15:54:18 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 15:54:31 ais523: and happily enough discovered that since the unicode char for ellipsis is 3 bytes, you can write a compiler to handle both unicode and '...' 15:54:51 just by checking the length of the file? 15:54:57 ais523: yup 15:55:04 and dividing by 3 15:55:40 i should make a habit out of turning all my undecidability proofs into esolangs 15:56:24 has anyone languagized PCP? 15:56:52 PCP's a big thing here in turku 15:56:53 I managed to make a brainfuck derivative before I knew what brainfuck was 15:58:34 Obligatory nitpicking: the "Unicode character" doesn't really have a size in bytes; various different encodings of it have various different sizes; the UTF-8 form is three bytes. 15:59:06 fair enough. 15:59:15 fizzie: and thanks for the correction 16:02:47 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:15:06 Gregor: how does your jit in your IOCCC entry work? 16:15:08 Quite well, thank you. 16:15:46 Gregos: does it compile with c2bf ;D 16:17:31 Well, you can't JIT in BF regardless, so no. 16:18:54 I can't see how it works with multilple architectures 16:19:03 Quite well, thank you. 16:20:34 I could actually explain it, but I'd rather you bang your head against it a bit more first 8-D 16:21:39 I'm not entirely sure how either C or JITs work in general 16:21:50 So it may take me a few years 16:22:03 And I may soon lack both a head and a wall 16:28:20 nortti'll figure it out I'm sure. 16:29:04 `addquote And I may soon lack both a head and a wall 16:29:08 847) And I may soon lack both a head and a wall 16:30:35 nortti: Here's a hint that's not a useful hint: It is known not to work on SPARC and PA-RISC, although the reason it doesn't work on the latter is uninteresting (stack grows up) 16:31:55 * tswett bows. 16:34:14 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:34:32 "You have to download a total of 3,167 M. This download should take about 1 second with your connection." 16:34:39 I don't think my connection is /that/ good! 16:34:45 Wow 16:34:50 That's some fast webertubes 16:35:24 i routinely get 7M a second 16:35:28 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 16:37:13 I'm upgrading Ubuntu to 12.04 16:38:06 ais523: why are you using ubuntu? 16:38:08 now it's estimating the download time required as about 1 and a half hours, which seems a lot more plausible 16:38:23 nortti: it's what came on my last laptop originally, and I've been too lazy to switch distro 16:38:40 ais523: pre-installed linux? 16:38:40 what kind of third world country do you live in 16:38:47 nortti: indeed 16:39:00 although it /still/ came with a Windows key on the keyboard 16:39:25 I speedtest.net'd the workstation at work just for giggles; it said something like 860Mbps down. That's still not quite as good as all that, especially since I suppose that 3,167 M was in bytes. 16:39:40 ais523: is that done with something other than netbooks and braindead "my first operating system" distros 16:40:04 nortti: it was Dell, back when they were trying to frighten Microsoft into giving them lower prices for Windows 16:40:16 they actually went through with their threat to sell preinstalled Linux for a while to show they were serious, I got it then 16:40:24 ais523: and they still include windows key? 16:40:27 yep 16:40:38 as far as I can tell, they just took a standard Windows laptop and swapped out the OS 16:40:58 it even came with Windows documentation :) 16:41:42 ais523: remembers me about this computer when my friend bought it as used. He didn't want windows xp preinstalled so they just taped windows license to the bottom so they could charge as much money as usually 16:41:58 *reminds 16:42:12 nortti: ouch, haha 16:42:25 this computer, the Windows license was on the outside of the box, which actually really impressed me 16:48:08 Gregor: my brain is hurting 16:48:32 You must work THROUGH the pain 8-D 16:49:30 oh, it went back to 1 second 16:49:39 was getting a download rate of 3050 PB/s for a bit 16:49:42 or claiming to, at least 16:49:49 but then it changed its mind again 16:51:01 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:56:22 -!- listrophy has left. 17:04:30 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:06:47 -!- boily has joined. 17:08:55 -!- augur has joined. 17:09:36 -!- Ngevd has joined. 17:09:39 Hello! 17:12:08 Hi 17:18:46 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 17:21:22 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:24:03 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:46:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:50:49 Unicode has a codepoint "INVISIBLE TIMES" 17:50:55 That ... that is amazing. 17:51:40 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2%E2%81%A23 “Wolfram|Alpha doesn't know how to interpret your input.” :-( 17:52:26 It's such a Unicode thing to do. 17:54:03 hmm, I wonder why this distro upgrade wants to remove lzma 17:54:17 removing ghdl I can understand, it's probably unmaintained (I still need it, but I guess I'll install from source) 17:54:56 Perhaps it’s being replaced with xz. 17:56:28 (It can handle lzma files, too.) 17:58:20 ais523: lzma is deprecated. 17:58:32 pikhq_: what's the replacement? 17:58:35 xz 17:58:40 oh, ion suggests xz 17:59:00 Same compression algorithm, has support for .lzma files for backwards compatibility. 18:10:35 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:10:56 -!- MDude has joined. 18:12:28 -!- MSleep has joined. 18:12:40 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 18:15:30 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:16:11 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:16:25 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:17:13 -!- MDude has joined. 18:18:12 -!- MSleep has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:18:38 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:18:51 -!- monqy has joined. 18:19:42 Glorious Master Translator http://dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=110 18:22:27 -!- MSleep has joined. 18:26:08 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:31:06 -!- nortti has joined. 18:36:11 thinking about it --c-=c-c-- with (at least two cell) arrays and pointers would be turing complete even without dynamic memory allocation 18:37:06 if only memory was stack 18:43:40 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]). 18:47:49 dpkg: libc6-i686: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: 18:47:57 let's hope this works out :) 18:48:21 OK, new libc's in place 18:48:34 that would be a bad moment for a crash :) 18:48:34 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 18:49:13 ais523: is your new libc also glibc? 18:49:38 it's called "libc-bin", I'd be surprised if it wasn't based on glibc 18:49:43 (although it may well be eglibc) 18:50:37 I am thinking about moving my own distro to uClibc 18:53:00 for what reason? 18:54:10 smaller 18:56:17 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 18:56:34 -!- MSleep has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:59:11 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:05:07 ais523: or maybe I switch to libc4! BWAHAHAHA 19:08:00 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=wolfram 19:14:38 nortti: Use musl. 19:15:49 hmm, that was vaguely worrying, a dialog box opened with an error icon and a bunch of unreadable text 19:15:55 (just squared) 19:15:59 and then disappeared again 19:16:07 a fraction of a second later 19:16:37 Smaller than uclibc, full-featured, fast: what's not to like? 19:17:09 pikhq_: is it a libc? 19:17:23 ais523: Yes. 19:20:08 doesn't work with mosh :/ 19:20:25 kmc: Any idea why? 19:20:40 i don't remember, but other people were looking into it 19:20:54 or, did look into it 19:21:09 I'm going to bet it's relying on glibc's behavior of defining a couple feature test macros if you don't define any. 19:21:18 (which is, of course, non-compliant) 19:22:18 Defines _BSD_SOURCE and _SVID_SOURCE, which suffices to get some non-POSIX code working. 19:22:52 Of course, modern code should define _POSIX_C_SOURCE 200809L or _GNU_SOURCE. 19:23:38 pikhq_: well musl looks awesome. I wil take a look at it later 19:24:21 Hmm. Then again... mosh is in C++, isn't it? 19:24:54 In which case you're probably running into some edge case with musl and libstdc++ interacting, which is probably a musl bug. 19:32:18 pikhq_: is it possible to use musl with linux 2.4 or uClinux 19:32:51 Linux 2.4, maybe. uClinux, probably not without some porting. 19:33:19 Though, using it with Linux 2.4 will *certainly* not work with threads; Linux 2.4 threading was Broken. 19:34:41 how? 19:35:35 -!- elliott has joined. 19:35:39 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest87153. 19:35:45 LinuxThreads did not comply with POSIX behavior at all, produced some rather odd behavior with scheduling, and claimed SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 for its own purposes. 19:36:00 Oh, also, each thread had its own process ID. 19:36:15 -!- Guest87153 has changed nick to elliott. 19:36:18 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 19:36:18 -!- elliott has joined. 19:37:20 pikhq_: each thread /still/ has its own process ID; but getpid doesn't return it, it returns a different number 19:37:31 ais523: That's weird. 19:37:33 hi ais523 19:37:36 ooh, the terminal is /almost/ working, just an error message on load 19:37:37 hi elliott 19:37:55 Anyways, LinuxThreads sucked, and NPTL is only supported on 2.6+. 19:37:57 oh, but return isn't; doesn't matter, I can still use control-J 19:37:58 ais523: I played Crawl some more and dislike it even less now 19:38:08 interesting 19:38:13 (or crazy-ass backports that will probably break if you look at them wrong) 19:38:16 mostly because I stopped being a kobold 19:38:22 what combo are you using now? 19:38:27 DsAK 19:38:41 it solved my two most annoying problems 19:38:44 hmm, I don't think that's a very good combo 19:38:47 what were the problems? 19:38:49 (a) killing anything took ages 19:38:51 (b) low hp 19:38:57 (a) bc sbl 19:38:59 (b) bc kobold 19:39:04 ah, OK 19:39:14 you'll run into problems later rather than earlier with that build, I think 19:39:15 ais523: it doesn't seem like a bad combo but "what do i know" 19:39:21 i coerced monqy into picking it for me, so 19:39:30 and ds is white (not grey) when i pick ak 19:39:30 due to having no way to kill midgame uniques 19:39:35 so it's not disrecommended 19:39:39 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:39:39 and yes, DS is not that bad for AK 19:39:48 oh 19:39:50 you mean kobe 19:40:01 no, I mean DSAK 19:40:04 which god are you going with? 19:40:06 oh 19:40:10 AK is lugonu 19:40:13 right, ofc 19:40:18 wasn't thinking for a moment 19:41:19 ais523: fwiw: 19:41:21 20:41 !hs elliott 19:41:21 20:41 77. elliott the Impaler (L15 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Aizul (poison arrow) on D:17 on 2012-04-26, with 84580 points after 43254 turns and 3:34:58. 19:41:41 that was a really stupid death and entirely my fault; I quaffed a potion of curing with like 14 HP while Aizul was right next to me 19:41:53 I should have either read a ?tele a few turns ago or cast enter the abyss 19:41:57 err by cast i mean 19:41:57 use 19:41:59 ability 19:42:42 ais523: I'm not sure why you think DsAK isn't a very good combo (though I ask out of curiosity rather than doubting) 19:43:07 it has no special burst attack 19:43:36 with, say, Be you can berserk in an emergency; with casters you can reserve your MP for emergencies 19:43:39 ais523: well, it has banish :) 19:43:49 things start resisting that after a while 19:43:58 they already did by my point in the game 19:44:03 ais523: oh, and DsAK can go spellcastery 19:44:07 I just went for heavy armour instead 19:44:53 ais523: anyway, I think it's better (for me) to have no emergency rush kinda thing 19:44:57 because I just use it whenever there's the slightest bit of trouble 19:45:03 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:45:21 I'd much rather have a powerful normal attack, and an emergency escape mechanism 19:45:22 fair enough :) 19:45:40 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:46:19 anyway, they should just eliminate the earlygame and I'd probably like Crawl more than I dislike it 19:46:22 well 19:46:26 earlygame, food, and identification 19:47:13 elliott: oh, you currently more dislike it than like it? 19:47:26 yes, but not enough to stop me playing it 19:47:30 I dislike NetHack more than I like it, too 19:47:34 fair enough 19:47:39 I haven't played a roguelike I like more than I dislike yet 19:48:08 I play Crawl now and again, but I nearly always die either to a typo (often boredom-induced), or to something I couldn't have known without spoilers 19:48:34 I use Henzell on pretty much everything that looks like it could be even vaguely scary 19:48:46 and yeah, I usually die due to doing something stupid in the earlygame because it's tedious 19:48:54 the other thing I don't like about the game is the excessive amount of randomness, which makes it hard to figure out anyone's stats 19:48:56 but I find it quite fun and less luck-based after that 19:49:55 * ais523 closes Firefox 19:50:00 none of the tabs were capable of scrolling 19:50:04 nor could I open new pages in it 19:50:06 so it was kind-of useless 19:52:47 ais523: that's Firefox's normal mode of operation 19:53:08 not for me :) 19:53:16 TODO: reply to prgmr, reply to THE ALAN DIPERT, [redacted] 19:53:37 hmm, I wonder whether I should reply or reply to all 19:55:58 elliott: reply to all three in the same email 19:56:15 err, I meant whether to use reply or reply to all on this prgmr email 19:56:18 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:56:23 elliott: who was CCed in? 19:56:27 the email I got is from the support person, cc'd to luke (the owner/sysadmin) 19:56:34 ah, OK 19:56:37 pikhq_: can musl be used with pcc or clang 19:56:45 compromise, and CC some random person you've never heard of 19:58:11 how do I create a new tab in Gnome 3 Epiphany? 19:58:30 oh, control-t works, but I was hoping for some way to do it with the mouse 19:58:40 perhaps it's just not used to running inside gnome 2 19:58:47 file -> new tab, probably 19:58:48 and you're meant to use something in the wider interface 19:58:50 install xmonad lolololololololololololololololololololo 19:58:51 elliott: there isn't a file menu 19:58:57 there's exactly one menu, called "web" 19:59:03 haha 19:59:10 and it has a "new window" item, but not "new tab" 20:00:13 GNOME shouldn't have tabs, anyway 20:00:22 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:00:30 nortti: I dunno. 20:00:40 Hello! 20:00:40 Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 20:00:47 ... 20:00:50 @messages 20:00:51 shachaf said 7d 1h 35m 8s ago: how predictable ! 20:00:54 I KNEW IT 20:01:00 hi Taneb 20:01:00 Actually, no, wait, pretty sure I've built it in pcc. 20:01:39 ooh, Evolution hasn't horribly disintegrated yet, I think 20:02:31 The process, movie, or music festival? 20:02:40 pikhq_: I am thinking about clearing my distro of gnu software 20:02:48 Taneb: the email (+ related stuff) client 20:03:00 Oh, that one 20:03:00 nortti: so it'd be notGNU/Linux? 20:03:00 nortti: Unfortunately, it is going to be Hell to free Linux of GNU stuff. 20:03:13 At a minimum you need GCC, binutils, and GNU Make. 20:03:19 nortti: too late 20:03:25 Gregor is way ahead of you 20:03:27 pikhq_: no, it's not 20:03:29 (and patching so it can use non-GNU sed) 20:03:31 pikhq_: only a few files in Linux have FSF copyright 20:03:33 pikhq_: gcc is probably replaceable by clang, either now or later 20:03:35 oh, not the kernel 20:03:43 elliott: *Building* the kernel. :) 20:03:45 you don't need gcc, clang can build a working kernel, if you patch it, sort of 20:03:57 the other two may be harder to replace 20:03:59 GNU Make is probably the worst part to replace. 20:04:04 I guess you could just rewrite the kernel to use aimake ;) 20:04:07 try makepp 20:04:11 it's meant to be a drop-in replacement for gnu make 20:04:24 (with a bunch of extra features that you don't care about) 20:04:32 ais52€: I can build linux 2.4 tcc 20:04:39 nortti: that's a weird typo 20:04:56 is € altgr-4 for you, or some other combination? 20:05:13 i have € on same key as e on android 20:05:23 So that's how you get 20:05:28 20:06:56 compose e = 20:07:11 does anyone have a combining hyphen 20:07:24 combine it w/ ℒ pls 20:09:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 20:09:23 elliott: I am not trying to compete with Gregor. I just want to create bit different distro from my own which is pretty boring standard linux 2.4+gnu binutils+busybox+gcc 20:09:54 14:26:19: In spite of PH being kind of a dick, we're just trying to expand your horizons! 8-D 20:10:04 Gregor: "Consider how much better life could be thinking with a brick!" 20:10:26 PH may be a dick, but... 20:10:29 Um... 20:10:37 I forgot the second part to that sentence 20:10:55 maybe you meant "PH may be a dickbutt"? 20:11:16 14:27:46: OK, in spite of PH being an enormous, erect, throbbing equine phallus. 20:11:19 I think Gregor has something to tell us. 20:11:32 14:28:30: Gregor: nah. ph is ok. i like the cut of her jib 20:11:36 Phantom_Hoover: Wait, you're a /lesbian/ vampire? 20:11:42 THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING 20:12:09 Yes. 20:12:15 I'm a male, lesbian vampire. 20:12:37 We hoovers are open-minded. 20:12:48 14:29:23: elliott: three mdashes in a row in the topic? seriously? 20:12:50 ais523: ye 20:13:38 `quote 20:13:41 339) oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME 20:13:49 just one? 20:13:52 "We noticed you have not accepted our invitation to join Stack Overflow Careers." 20:13:52 yes, just one 20:13:58 you can do another four if you're in the mood for deleting 20:14:04 olsner: you can accept it and then not create a profile 20:14:04 they really want me on their site!! I'm so honored 20:14:05 that's what i did 20:14:07 `quote 20:14:08 `quote 20:14:08 `quote 20:14:09 `quote 20:14:15 825) hang on I have bright idea navajo to f me 1 in 3 people 20:14:18 841) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 20:14:28 838) It's... not really links2-optimised. elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised 20:14:29 799) Lent is a bad habit that people find very difficult to give up. 20:14:41 `delquote 339 20:14:46 ​*poof* oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME 20:14:53 wrt 799, I gave up new year's resolutions years ago 20:14:56 and have kept that ever since 20:15:12 (I don't resolve to make resolutions to fix bad habits, I just sort-of avoid them for a while and the problem fixes itself) 20:16:00 38 is not funny 20:16:13 tough 20:16:19 `quote 38 20:16:22 38) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that 20:16:46 that doesn't look too much like hungarian… 20:16:56 although "gy" is a valid hungarian letter 20:17:10 (and that's not a representation or anything, "gy" is actually how it's written in Hungarian too) 20:18:11 ? Did the number of "38) It's... not really links2-optimised. elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised" change? 20:18:18 It... was never 38 20:18:20 It's 838. 20:18:25 business as usual http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html 20:18:32 `qc 20:18:36 846 quotes 20:18:39 it shows as 38 on my phone 20:18:58 using androirc 20:19:22 Your phone is broken. 20:19:24 `quote 838 20:19:27 838) (help why are german) i play the german version of crawl i 20:19:31 hmm, "Finland" was not an accepted location to finish the registration, but "Sweden" was fine 20:19:41 and I accidentally a profile, oh well 20:19:46 Oh. 20:19:49 It changed number slightly. 20:19:50 or androirc just suck like usual 20:19:53 `quote 837 20:19:56 837) It's... not really links2-optimised. elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised 20:19:57 Because I deleted a quote. 20:20:22 now it shows it as 37 20:20:34 Gregor: HackEgo's Unicode shit breaks AndroIRC. 20:20:37 Can you just get rid of it? 20:20:40 `echo 1234 20:20:43 1234 20:20:44 nortti: What does that show as? 20:20:57 1234 20:21:01 wat 20:21:06 `echo 8x 20:21:09 8x 20:21:15 8x 20:21:38 `echo 837 20:21:42 837 20:21:46 837 20:21:58 what. 20:22:04 `echo 837) elliot 20:22:07 837) elliot 20:22:11 `echo 837) elliotte 20:22:14 837) elliotte 20:22:18 also the new 838 shows as 838 20:22:35 o_o 20:22:48 837) elliotte 20:22:59 837) elliot 20:23:14 `quote 122 20:23:17 122) alise, marble marbelus 20:24:27 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7). 20:25:25 * elliott plays some crawl 20:25:35 * Taneb doesn't 20:26:07 I don't either 20:26:24 * nortti does and doesn't at the same time 20:26:45 You are partially covered in large bone plates (AC +2, SH +2). 20:26:47 ...can't complain 20:27:45 elliott: DS mutations are always positive, or mostly positive, IIRC 20:28:02 yeah, but the best i've got is like AC +2, EV -1 20:31:33 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: nortti). 20:33:42 hmm, this might be the first time i die to sigmund 20:37:05 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 20:37:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:37:37 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:39:05 -!- nortti has joined. 20:39:49 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:44:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:49:43 hmm, there's a new MediaWiki release out 20:49:47 but I'll hold off until 1.19 20:50:27 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:16:43 Hello!!!!!! 21:17:02 zzo38: six exclamation marks? 21:19:06 zzo38: have I sent you my shell script gopher client you wanted to see? 21:19:35 nortti: Yes I have seen it. 21:19:50 ais523: Do you think five and a half would be better? 21:20:23 zzo38: yes, the half an exclamation mark would be an interesting thing to talk about 21:21:46 zzo38: comparing our gopher clients it is pretty clear that I like ed and I assume you like vi 21:25:23 nortti: Yes I do like vi 21:26:01 zzo38: what do you think of emacs? 21:26:35 -!- cheater__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:26:42 nortti: I think it contains too much bloated but if these are the features which you like then use it; I prefer vi 21:27:19 zzo38: I prefer ed 21:27:55 my current ed binary is 6,16kB 21:29:41 s/,/./ 21:30:41 I dislike all the bloat in vi 21:31:52 -!- elliott has left. 21:32:53 Have you seen bashgopher and Visgopher? 21:34:11 I have seen bashgopher which is a very good gopher client but I haven't seeb visgopher 21:35:20 Visgopher is designed only for Windows; I don't know if it will run on Wine, though. But, bashgopher is designed for UNIX. I did make the setup program for Visgopher now, since some people were having problems to install it. 21:46:07 -!- cheater has joined. 21:49:59 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com )). 21:51:40 -!- azaq23 has joined. 21:51:48 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 22:00:46 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:19:54 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:20:24 -!- jix has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:20:56 -!- jix has joined. 22:21:10 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 22:25:51 A few weeks ago I had some dream, I was illithid and in some generic hotel without any name or anything like that (for some reason, in my mind it is Victoria), and had some key I was trying to get rid of. But whenever I was getting rid of it, someone else caught it. And then I received a notice to go to somewhere; following instructions led to a building that I have been to before (as myself, human, but still in the dream!) with many stores and bakery etc, but 22:26:06 And today, I am going to Victoria, as it turns out. Unexpectedly. 22:26:20 (I will go on Victoria Day too; but unexpectedly there is something today too) 22:26:23 hmm, so I'm now using Ubuntu 12.04, currently with Unity 22:26:29 and… it's actually pretty usable 22:26:51 it reminds me of some Windows 7 or OS X-like interface, just rotated 90 degrees 22:28:00 could someone nickping me? I want to test something 22:28:33 I have used the newest Ubuntu at FreeGeek. Commands are still the same but menus and graphic interface are changed, the guest account name is not simply "guest" anymore, etc 22:28:40 ais523: How to do that? 22:28:51 thanks 22:29:01 zzo38: how to do what? 22:29:08 ais523: How to nickping you 22:29:31 zzo38: oh, say a line with my nick in 22:29:34 like you just did 22:29:38 OK 22:30:12 Is it possible to tell one of the bots to do that? 22:30:24 ^ul (ais523)S 22:30:24 ais523 22:30:30 the problem is bots would respond too quickly 22:30:33 I wanted a bit of a delay 22:30:53 OK 22:32:50 -!- elliott has joined. 22:33:09 Rule #1 of civility: Always respect fluid. Accept your neighbour who may wish you to be carbon ; consider their desire and enact. 22:34:24 elliott: you may be horrified to hear that I'm actually just fine with Unity 22:34:35 did they make it less horrible 22:34:38 I think so 22:34:42 oh 12.04 is out 22:34:46 this version is said to be significantly less horrible than the last one 22:34:49 yes, and I just upgraded 22:34:50 too bad im "done with ubuntue" 22:34:51 a few minutes ago 22:35:02 hmm, now I'm going to reboot, to see how long it takes to boot 22:35:16 it booted very slowly this time but the first boot on a new version always is slow 22:35:27 -!- ais523 has quit. 22:39:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:39:26 about 40 seconds to login prompt, maybe 10 to 15 more to log in 22:39:35 about the same as before, although far from good 22:43:33 -!- augur has joined. 22:45:43 figuring out what to do to configure it is often a little complex 22:45:58 OS X is still OS X, if anyone was wondering 22:46:02 e.g. it requires holding down the left mouse button for several seconds on an icon to reorder them in the task bar 22:46:07 elliott: Unity is halfway to OS X too 22:46:18 slightly further than Windows 7 22:46:19 that's not a good thing 22:46:23 indeed 22:46:39 OS X sort of works only because of the maniacal single-mindedness about it 22:46:45 which is why imitations of it are usually really painful 22:47:15 Unity seems to have a maniacal single-mindedness about something else, that happens to be quite close to OS X in execution 22:47:38 e.g. the window management buttons being in the top left make total sense in Unity even though they don't in Gnome 22:48:21 now, let's go reinstall Flash, in preparation for the day we don't need it 22:49:43 hmm, fun reviews, there's a debate in the comments about whether it works on various versions of Ubuntu, and whether it's capable of showing the color red 22:50:15 and apparently it was installed by default anyway because the fact that I'd accepted the license had been recorded 22:50:22 (I uninstalled it for the update because the updator didn't like it) 23:01:49 can somebody explain to me why nan!=nan generally 23:02:22 yes, ais523 can 23:02:25 ais523: have fun 23:02:41 TeruFSX: because NaN represents the result of a calculation that produces no result, or an arbitrary result 23:02:43 like 0/0 23:02:53 i was trying to explain that to somebody, they did not get it 23:02:58 given that 0/0 can reasonably be /any/ number, you can't expect it to return the same value every time 23:03:30 okay. 23:03:40 why does NULL==NULL then, if nan!=nan? 23:04:06 my reasoning is that NULL is a single quantity, just an empty one 23:04:14 because NULL isn't a number, but a pointer, and represents something in particular (the absence of a value) 23:04:28 note that many languages have their null-equivalent not equal to itself, incidentally 23:04:37 how come NaN!=NaN but 42==42 23:04:41 explain THAT 23:04:55 there's only one possible value of 42 23:05:13 meanwhile, conclusions of Flash tests: Flash works in Firefox and in Konqueror but not in Epiphany 23:05:22 and Konqueror confuses Unity 23:05:26 * ais523 tries Chromium 23:05:35 I guess Chromium for YouTube would make a lot of sense… 23:05:57 http://i.imgur.com/8RESf.png "Runs an embedded hypervisor OS, much like the Xbox 360, to squeeze performance out of inferior hardware" 23:06:10 wow, reddit, it really *is* easy to solve every problem when you have no idea what words mean 23:06:28 OK, is there seriously no way to customize the fonts? 23:06:56 hey, and I didn't know this touchpad did multitouch 23:07:33 but tapping it with two fingers at once right-clicks, that's pretty much the biggest multitouch giveaway ever 23:08:47 seems the multitouchiness isn't being used for anything else, though 23:08:47 my touchpad must not be multitouch, then 23:08:58 elliott: either that or the drivers don't support it 23:08:59 well 23:09:01 depends how you define "tap" :) 23:09:35 elliott: same action as is used to click, just with two fingers at once not one 23:09:51 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:09:57 fair enough, then it is trur 23:09:58 *true 23:09:59 wow, this is demonstrating to me just how much I used to tap one end of the touchpad, then the other with another finger, to move the cursor quickly 23:10:04 but I would call that a click or a press, not a tap 23:10:11 such an operation doesn't work on a multitouch touchpad, but does on a single-touch one 23:10:15 the touchpad can support recognising taps as clicks, but it's disabled 23:10:29 elliott: a press is longer; a click is a software operation not a hardware one 23:10:37 not about length, it's about force 23:10:50 oh, I'm using tap-as-click, so it is about length for me 23:10:51 i have to depress the touchpad to cause a click; just tapping it won't do anything 23:11:06 it's one of those fancy huge-glass-button touchpads 23:11:38 meanwhile, is it crazy that I dislike the bar being at the left rather than the bottom only because it's a greater maximum distance to move the mouse? 23:11:50 Whoa, Nintendo posted a loss. 23:12:01 Phantom_Hoover: they haven't done much for a while, have they? 23:12:03 or is the Wii U out? 23:12:18 elliott: 3DS is their most recent new console, and it isn't that recent 23:12:28 wow, the Wii has lasted 6 years 23:12:33 that's insane for console hardware 23:12:37 I don't know of anything, but I don't follow them as much as I used to. 23:12:38 um 23:12:59 haven't consoles been effectively technologically stagnant for that long 23:13:17 seeing as the 360 and ps3 haven't undergone any major changes since 23:13:26 * ais523 turns touchpad speed and acceleration up 23:13:40 Phantom_Hoover: well, the 360 came out in 2005 23:13:44 but they've had revamps 23:13:50 the Wii ... hasn't changed at all 23:14:20 ais523: you might be able to disable the multitouch driver if you don't like it 23:14:22 or is this a new computer? 23:16:27 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 23:16:33 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB 23:16:39 CDDFbddbfdfbdjfbe 23:16:41 E 23:17:48 elliott: same computer 23:17:57 and I don't really dislike it, just have to retrain my muscle memory 23:18:15 it doesn't normally take long, just a few days with a new computer and I can typically find all the keys I actually use in the dark 23:20:02 the Ubuntu people have done a good job integrating programs with the OS, it seems 23:20:25 if someone nickpings me, then the email-and-IM icon lights up, and the menu below it says who nickpinged me 23:22:58 that's ancient 23:23:01 they had that before they left gnome 2 23:24:59 elliott: PS2 is on 13 years and counting. 23:25:10 PS2 has not really "survived" :P 23:25:19 It just hasn't realised it's dead yet. 23:26:20 Okay, if we count from time-to-successor, then the 2600 is the ultimate. 23:26:35 8 fscking years. 23:26:52 bleh, so many bugs to deal with, though 23:27:03 Or, actually. Gameboy. 23:27:28 12 years from the Gameboy release to the GBA release. 23:27:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:29:54 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:30:05 bleh, bugs… 23:30:32 obviously to be expected in a beta (the release hasn't hit my mirrors yet) 23:31:05 ais523: you /still/ use Konversation? 23:32:00 yes 23:32:04 why wouldn't I? 23:32:10 it sucks :) 23:34:29 Hello batman 23:34:38 No batman ... no 23:34:42 hello 23:34:50 Is this dog? 23:35:33 welcome back monqy. 23:35:35 we missed you. 23:35:36 . 23:35:50 (im back) 23:36:12 ais523: hey, I've written 90% of an email, if I send it as-is do you think they'll notice? 23:36:32 depends on what the other 10% is 23:36:43 meanwhile, I think I need a better newsreader than XPN 23:36:48 it is also reasonably buggy, and more so in this version 23:42:06 ais523: can you write a good roguelike for me? 23:42:25 elliott: Animist is still in its very early planning stages, and you might not like it anyway 23:42:31 elliott: What does it mean when I really don't like the spelling "ax"? 23:42:32 what's that 23:42:38 a vaporware roguelike 23:42:40 shachaf: it means you're correct 23:42:42 ais523: is it yours? 23:42:46 yes 23:42:49 Maybe I should stick to it anyway because my spellchecker (which is set to AMERICAN) doesn't like "axe". 23:42:51 ais523: does it have a hunger mechanism 23:43:02 But... 23:43:14 elliott: not sure yet, but if it did, it would actually be relevant 23:43:34 ais523: Does it have item identification? 23:43:35 rather than crawl-like 23:43:43 probably all items will be IDed upon encountering them 23:43:51 as in, no unIDed items 23:43:55 Good. 23:44:00 ais523: Does it have a discrete experience level system? 23:44:32 yes, very much so 23:44:34 YOU HAVE CHOSEN INCORRECTLY 23:44:46 although it's discrete along seven different axes 23:45:03 what's experience level system 23:45:14 ais523: By "discrete", I don't necessarily mean "discrete". 23:45:22 ais523: I mean "levelling up as distinct from stats raising gradually". 23:45:37 elliott: oh, OK 23:45:42 That's evil. 23:45:45 you don't have a level that's distinct from your stats 23:45:46 It's okay if you use integerrs. 23:45:47 *integers. 23:45:48 Good. 23:45:53 but it uses small integers for stats 23:45:56 That's fine. 23:46:43 ais523: Tell me more about Animist! 23:47:22 -!- cheater_ has joined. 23:47:30 elliott: it's got reasonably complex tactics (things like facing are part of the game), and strategy is meant to be important yet flexible, and the main mechanic is a sort of entropy mechanic where MP doesn't regenerate over time and you can't gain experience except by spending it 23:47:57 ais523: Does it have a boring combat system? 23:48:05 depends on what you consider to be boring 23:48:14 Almost everything. 23:48:17 the combat should ideally involve at least a bit of thought 23:49:30 ais523: btw, are any angband variants worth playing? 23:49:46 angband is a game for people who enjoy grinding 23:49:56 it's very good at satisfying those people, but other people get bored quickly 23:50:04 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:50:05 thus, it fills an important niche in the market 23:50:10 sounds awful 23:50:43 does that apply to all derivatives? 23:50:47 zabgband tome etc 23:50:50 *zangband 23:51:29 yes, they all have the same basic idea 23:51:39 some, like ToME, manage to make it even more down that path, somehow 23:52:52 http://pastebin.com/XyaTFxGJ haha, what a great death ("Message History" onwards) 23:53:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:57:38 ah yes 23:59:57 ais523: hey, what's the worst roguelike?