00:01:54 monqy: Is an ancient robe worth trying on? 00:02:31 elliott: How ancient? 00:02:36 For a heavy armor guy, i’d try it out of curiosity (have a scroll of remove curse or read detect curse first). For a robe guy, definitely. 00:02:44 You might want to wash it first. 00:03:15 shachaf: elliott likes other people’s clothes unwashed. 00:03:30 You finish putting on the cursed -1 robe of Folly {-Cast Int-5 Curse}. 00:03:30 You feel stupid. 00:03:30 Oops, that feels deathly cold. 00:03:35 :-) 00:03:49 This will go well with my cursed ring of teleportation. 00:04:02 Remember what i said about having a scroll of remove curse? 00:04:04 elliott: id yoha ve emove curse? 00:04:08 -!- elliott has left. 00:04:25 I think elliott is trying to teach me not to do that. 00:05:03 You could ssh to the crawl server and ask him that in game. 00:05:32 -!- elliott has joined. 00:05:33 He doesn't answer my Cruestions. 00:05:36 hi elliott 00:05:38 ion: Take a glance at my game. 00:05:39 helliott 00:05:50 elliott: nice 00:06:03 Are you fighting Pistachio? 00:06:22 YAY YOU WON! 00:06:27 That was a tough nut to crack, eh? 00:07:03 I guess you had to draw him out of his shell first. 00:07:41 (not good at pistachio puns, please send help) 00:07:57 01:07 eustachio[3/3]: Beware his glorious mustache! Not to be confused with pistachio. 00:08:16 good pun 00:16:07 it occurs that https://github.com/kmcallister/qoppa is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here 00:20:51 Thank you for your minimal contribution to the channel! 00:21:11 Oh, we have another new member of the wiki who doesn't know how to use preview. 00:21:25 And they made a brainfuck derivative. 00:21:27 It occurs that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here 00:21:45 "The language utilizes cellular automation" It... does? 00:22:08 "The language utilizes a cellular automation. The automation evolves in a data structure known as the Nevermore, hence, the language's name. The structure is a bit array of length 8 with an initial value set to 0 [0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0]." 00:22:10 I think we're being trolled. 00:22:23 ion: [[Finnish language]] is too eso for my taste. :-( 00:23:55 If anyone wants to go on a ride, start at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Nevermore&diff=next&oldid=32178 and keep hitting "newer edit". 00:26:17 kmc: You realise Scheme has functions to support alist munging ,right? 00:26:25 bind could be a lot simpler (although you'd need to change (var binding) to (var . binding)). 00:27:00 Oh, hmm. 00:34:54 elliott: I entered the Lair, but i think i’ll stop for now. 00:35:02 More like Liar. 00:35:15 i did not realize that 00:35:16 Lawyer 00:35:20 which functions? 00:35:31 *munging, right? 00:35:33 kmc: I'm not sure which one I was thinking of looking at bind. 00:35:39 kmc: But it definitely has an insert-into-alist function. 00:36:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 00:37:38 * elliott started to play but then immediately quit. 00:37:42 It is a [[brainfuck]] derivative designed to be as difficult and obscure to program in. 00:37:46 You accidentally the comparison. 00:46:34 <…> so given that this is math 12, does it need to be conanical form? 00:46:36 O’Brien? 00:50:21 ion: That's a fancy '\'' you've got there. 00:50:35 '’' 00:50:45 Nonsense. We speak ASCII in here. 00:50:57 O'Brien was clearly the best person in _1984_. He knew what was up. 00:51:45 kmc: "So apply takes the uglier approach of quoting each argument to prevent double-evaluation." 00:51:46 Given that this is #esoteric, shouldn’t we speak something like EBCDIC here? 00:51:52 kmc: FWIW, I think the solution to this is to simply drop apply. 00:52:02 It's not a very meaningful operation on operatives. 00:52:55 Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to read ais523's post on the Planar NetHack AI with the pictures, it's up at http://esolangs.org/planar/. 00:53:04 Long-term validity of URL not guaranteed. 00:53:33 @time monqy 00:53:35 Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 17:53:34 2012 00:53:35 elliott: well, can you get rid of 'apply' in the interpreter? 00:53:37 @tonqy 00:53:37 Unknown command, try @list 00:53:38 without nastiness? 00:53:46 kmc: Probably. I'd have to see where it's used. Was that in the post? 00:53:51 i agree it's not meaningful on operatives; my 'apply' will produce nonsense if you use it on a not-applicative 00:53:54 yes 00:54:03 If you're going for Scheme polyglotting, then yes, you'll need something silly like that. 00:54:10 That's because Scheme doesn't use operatives :P 00:55:43 i don't know if it quite counts as polyglot 00:55:50 but yeah, that's almost the whole point of the article 00:56:06 Huh. Early OS X development releases were actually for the IBM PC. 00:56:18 * elliott would just write a metacircular evaluator and a separate Scheme interpreter. 00:56:21 But that's no fun, I know. 00:56:45 pikhq: This thing? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/IBM_PC_5150.jpg 00:57:23 elliott: No, the later 32-bit IBM compatibles. Obviously. 00:57:59 But there's no other damned way of referring to that hacked-up arch. 00:59:02 The edits just keep coming in. 01:02:31 ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(:)!(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())(:)!((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^ 01:02:32 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time! 01:02:57 ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^ 01:02:58 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time! 01:04:03 elliott: well the claim is that you can start with a tiny fexpr language and produce something with enough syntax to be usable for 'real programming' 01:04:12 Right. 01:04:18 (ignoring the LOLPARENTHESES crowd) 01:04:21 You don't necessarily need to make your interpreter valid Scheme for that, though. 01:04:27 it makes the claim stronger, though 01:04:32 Fair enough. 01:04:50 * elliott wasn't dissing the article, just saying I'd drop apply were I making my own operative-based language. 01:04:55 sure 01:05:00 i didn't think you were dissing the article :) 01:05:21 if i were making my own operative-based language i might suck it up and have primitive wrap/unwrap like Kernel 01:05:45 but for the demonstration, that gets in the way of "omg eval is only three lines" 01:06:02 I don't like wrap/unwrap at all. I'd rather build the evaluation logic into lambda. 01:06:59 Hmm 01:07:10 Lazy Newb Pack comes with alternate keybindings 01:07:20 eh? 01:07:26 And other stuff that seems like it would be useful on more than just Windows 01:07:32 monqy, for Dwarf Fortress 01:07:41 oh 01:13:28 just 01:13:28 play 01:13:29 stock 01:13:30 df 01:13:32 it's easy 01:13:41 hello monqy 01:13:59 Sgeo: ok by stock i mean "stock with dwarf therapist" but that's it 01:14:00 elliott, I'll be fine with the guide on the wiki, right? 01:14:07 yes, the wiki guide is good 01:14:21 (and you won't need dwarf therapist until you get a bunch of dwarfs and need to futz about with micromanaging the labours) 01:14:44 I don't wanna micromanage labour 01:14:48 tough 01:14:58 ("labour" is a technical term here) 01:15:07 I know what it means 01:18:24 Ugh 01:18:28 Need to fix the sound 01:19:10 your dwarfs are unionizing? 01:19:21 Sgeo: you uh 01:19:32 could just play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04 in the background 01:19:34 since that's the only sound 01:20:17 elliott, YouTube is crap for me 01:20:46 Sgeo: the mp3 or ogg or whatever file is in the game directory somewhere :P 01:20:47 in data/ I think 01:20:59 Hmm, that's fine 01:21:12 Wait, that music was actually in the game? 01:21:33 Lumpio-: That's what plays constantly in a loop throughout a game of Dwarf Fortress in Fortress mode, yes. 01:21:45 :V 01:22:06 Are you implying you haven't played DF? :( 01:22:11 Argh, what settings do I use to make DF be decently large? 01:22:21 I know I've done it before 01:22:21 Sgeo: You press the maximise button. 01:22:40 If you mean font size, you probably don't want that any bigger, or it'll be difficult to see enough at once. 01:22:46 Me? 01:22:48 I changed the WINDOWEDX and WINDOWEDY and curses thing 01:22:57 Lumpio-: Yes. 01:23:04 Sgeo: What's wrong with maximise? 01:23:10 I watched somebody play it on youtube 01:23:28 elliott, that I've done it before without maximize and maximize means harder to chat at the same time 01:23:30 Too much micromanagement. 01:23:40 Lumpio-: It's not really as micromanagey as it looks. 01:23:44 Also, I don't like smiley faces 01:23:47 Some people play it like that but they're boring. 01:23:52 Little smiley faces 01:23:57 I like beards 01:23:58 Also the whole "view one horizontal level of the world at once" thing looks confusing as hell. 01:24:03 Sgeo: You'll end up maximising it anyway. And they come as beards by default. 01:24:07 It would benefit from modern 3D graphics, at least above ground 01:24:14 Lumpio-: Oh please. 01:24:15 But I bet they're too lazy to implement that. 01:24:17 They say that about roguelikes. 01:24:32 tbf df is uglier than roguelikes 01:24:35 elliott, no they don't 01:24:36 It's a deliberate design decision; Slaves to Armok: God of Blood (the game to which DF is a sequel) was 3D. 01:25:00 Sgeo: Yes, they do. 01:25:09 Sgeo: If they don't, you've configured something brokenly. 01:25:19 Are you running it with terminal output or something? 01:25:27 elliott, I am not 01:25:56 And it was the same when I installed via Lazy Newb Pack on a school computer with no graphics set 01:26:12 Well, the default smilies do have beards. Admittedly it looks kinda like ":D" if you don't know they're beards. 01:26:15 And it was the same when I played DF a long time ago and changed a configuration option to fix it 01:26:28 ...oh 01:26:49 Hmm, wait, that's how it looks in CP 437 too. Well, whatever, for the purposes of DF they're beards. 01:26:52 hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers? 01:26:57 I should make the water levels show up 01:27:01 as in, you put a .ogg or whatever in and get a .mid out 01:27:09 there's one in the repositories here but it doesn't actually work 01:27:11 ais523: cat /dev/urandom 01:27:18 elliott: that's pretty unlikely to work 01:27:23 It'll work as well as anything else. 01:27:25 Have you seen recent changes? 01:27:35 no, should I? 01:27:46 Well, uh. 01:27:47 Sure. 01:27:48 and this should not be a massively hard problem, I've been considering writing one myself if there aren't any 01:28:04 I recommend viewing them all in order for the best experience. 01:28:25 (You have to set ?limit=100 to see all of them.) 01:28:41 ah, OK 01:28:47 someone should tell them about the preview button 01:28:55 my RSS feed bunched them into 7 changes 01:29:06 the really hilarious thing is, I don't think they removed the BF instructions yet 01:29:30 I guess I could just look at the page to make sure 01:29:36 also, that language reminds me weirdly of Malbolge 01:30:10 ais523: it's best to view the changes in order 01:30:15 because it becomes about 01:30:18 4 different languages 01:30:22 in order 01:30:29 I can't tell at a glance whether it's harder or easier than Malbolge to program in, that's probably a good thing 01:30:30 and ends up in weird half-way states along the way 01:30:36 also, you know who gets to tell them about the preview button? :) 01:33:00 me, I guess 01:33:04 Xamarin has just announced that they got the Java part of Android ported to C# via machine translation. 01:33:10 oh boy, the comments on that one are going to be great 01:33:26 (it puts five different fanboy/troll factions in conflict) 01:33:54 ais523: hey, what would happen if I pointed TAEB at a Crawl server? 01:34:13 elliott, anything wrong with curses square? 01:34:24 elliott: it /might/ manage to start a game, but it would error out as soon as the game started due to not being able to parse its stats 01:34:28 Sgeo: square fonts are bad 01:34:32 make text difficult to read 01:34:34 Ah 01:34:35 and even then, you'd need to put the class/race in the RC file 01:34:52 oh, hmm, that wouldn't work either, it'd just replace it with a NetHack RC file, which would cause Crawl to spew warnings 01:34:53 ais523: can't I just make it assume things about the stats if it can't parse them? :) 01:34:57 elliott: in short, go for it, it'll be hilarious 01:35:00 and no, that's not how TAEB works 01:35:14 I was working on my own Crawl bot using TAEB technologies, but didn't get very far 01:35:27 due to problems trying to parse things like items; it was surprisingly hard to get it to chop and eat corpses 01:35:42 how hard is it to get TAEB running? 01:35:55 I'm a bit scared about all the dependencies, given that it's a bit bitrotten by now 01:36:16 we fix the dependency bitrot every several months 01:36:29 so the bitrot is rarely all that bad 01:36:38 then why is the last repo commit a year old? 01:36:47 last time we tried, it wouldn't run on my machine but would on other people's 01:36:53 and wrong repo, I guess, are you taking it from my repo? 01:37:06 link? 01:37:14 https://gitorious.org/taeb/ais523 01:37:14 (also, how long does it take to install all the deps?) 01:37:35 maybe 20 minutes to half an hour, faster than that if you aren't on a netbok 01:37:37 *netbook 01:37:53 any known OS X–related problems? 01:37:56 hmm, I should really put the dependency list in the repo 01:38:03 elliott: it hasn't been tested on OS X for several years 01:38:08 great 01:38:24 which of Planar and whatever the default AI is called are most likely to fail less :) 01:38:27 or fail more entertainingly 01:39:27 you should try to get Demo working first before doing anything else 01:39:39 but TAEB won't reach the point the AI is called anyway, if you run it on a Crawl server 01:39:58 bah, the time vs. fun assessment is rapidly going in the wrong direction :) 01:40:15 you should write a nethack bot that can cope with absolutely any screen it gets 01:40:38 the /correct/ behaviour upon encountering a screen never generated by NetHack is calling a human for help 01:41:05 no, it's marching on cluelessly 01:41:12 elliott, ais523: Ooh, the NetHack AI is cool. 01:41:25 ion: referring to the post I linked? 01:41:31 yes 01:41:32 ion: "the" is possibly a bad article; there are two major frameworks and three major AIs 01:41:55 http://esolangs.org/planar/ 01:41:57 have any of them won 01:42:05 ion: TAEB::AI::PLanar is mine 01:42:09 monqy: none of them have got near 01:42:17 I’d love to see a video capture of that in action. 01:42:26 ion: NAO has ttyrecs 01:42:31 autorobin's got much further in Crawl than any of the NetHack AIs have in NetHack 01:42:35 you could probably request one for one of the TVs 01:42:39 yikes 01:42:50 monqy: the reason is that Crawl is a much more straightforward game than NetHack 01:42:55 it's a lot more about not typoing than about actual thought 01:42:58 NetHack has a lot more special cases than Crawl 01:42:59 so it suits bots quite well 01:43:12 and the kinds of spoilers it has are the kinds that bots can't learn, IMO 01:43:14 also, Crawl has felids, and Trog 01:43:22 ais523: is nethack about actual thought 01:43:26 no 01:43:32 it's about looking up spoilers 01:43:38 FeBe is a really really good combo for bots, because it's balanced and yet incapable of using most items and all spells 01:43:41 Crawl is about looking up monster stats 01:43:43 monqy: it is sometimes, but only if you play badly 01:43:45 are any roguelikes about actual thought :( 01:43:50 rogue is about not dying 01:43:53 monqy: Shiren? 01:44:02 but it's commercial 01:44:02 ADOM is about dying 01:44:17 Dwarf Fortress is about dwarfs in a fortress 01:44:20 robotfindskitten is about finding kitten 01:44:21 elliott: ADOM is about crazy complicated triggers that have effects hundreds of thousands of turns later 01:44:40 ADOM is about ancient domains of mystery 01:44:50 Crawl needs monster spoilers or you die; ADOM needs plot spoilers or you find you've made the game effectively unwinnable a week later 01:44:55 NetHack is about hacking the net 01:45:16 no it isn't, that's Uplink 01:45:43 hmm, so what I will do, is upgrade all relevant modules, just as I recently upgraded Perl 01:45:45 then try to run TAEB 01:46:05 and then bug #moose (or ##moose perhaps) for help, if I can't fix the obvious problems myself 01:46:08 time for a bit derotting 01:46:18 ais523: should I try and write a Crawl bot? (N.B. there's a fair chance that if I do this I'll never go back to playing Crawl normally, which I enjoy 01:46:25 elliott: anyway, I just committed dependencies.sh 01:46:36 I'd say get sick of Crawl first, /then/ write the bot 01:46:50 that was my plan 01:46:54 I'll even lend you Brute's source code if you like, so you can skip the fiddly parts like dgl login 01:47:06 ais523: I was going to do the Lua script thing 01:47:09 since Crawl already has scripting hooks 01:47:20 oh, OK 01:47:22 and then move to a standalone thing once it outgrows that 01:47:26 they had to ban autorobin, eventually 01:47:31 what 01:47:32 ban howso? 01:47:36 because it runs on the server, and it used 25% CPU 01:47:39 elliott: kindly ask people to stop running it 01:47:45 great definition of ban 01:47:57 monqy: guess who's playing normal crawl 01:48:05 ok 01:48:05 elliott: elliptic? 01:48:06 elliott, where is SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS? 01:48:11 ais523: yes; also me 01:48:16 Sgeo: dunno, but don't bother turning it on 01:48:41 elliott: I don't know if elliptic's actually playing, it's a guess 01:48:49 elliott, wait, what? 01:48:53 elliptic isn't playing 01:48:54 you implied that you were quite strongly, so it /wouldn't/ be a guess 01:49:07 has ais523 seen me playing crawl 01:49:12 * ais523 logic 01:49:25 oh boy, a cursed amulet that I don't know what it is is around my neck 01:49:32 I'm sure it must be something really helpful 01:49:38 why did you put it on 01:49:46 i didn't know it was cursed 01:50:03 amulets tend not to autoid 01:50:15 you never know, it might be helping me 01:50:31 and it probably woulnd'nt help you at this point eithr 01:50:35 how much str for plate armour again 01:50:43 18 01:50:45 thx 01:51:17 lage 01:51:31 maybe i should go light armour this time 01:52:19 ok 01:52:25 monqy: it was probably an amulet of get killed by terrence 01:52:34 hmm, perhaps I should make another serious attempt to win Crawl, because I feel I can't insult it properly unless I've actually won it 01:52:42 but I just know I'm going to end up hating it again 01:52:44 more than usual, I mean 01:53:00 I started playing so I could authoritatively dislike it 01:53:03 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:53:11 elliott: it takes a while 01:53:19 see my hate is justified because i've won 01:53:19 that's still the plan, it's just that the dislike is going to be less than my baseline level of dislike for roguelikes 01:53:21 which wasn't what i was expecting 01:53:26 (note: that still doesn't mean i'll like it) 01:53:44 it irritates me less than nethack when i die at least 01:53:53 hmm 01:53:56 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:54:02 it's the other way round for me, but possibly because I'm better at not dying in NetHack 01:54:15 when I do die in NetHack, unless it's very early game it typically feels like my own fault, unlike in Crawl 01:54:25 -!- azaq23 has quit (Client Quit). 01:54:31 well, 99.99% of all my roguelike deaths are YASDs 01:54:45 but with nethack there's the spoiler element; with crawl it's my fault for blindly attacking $powerful_thing 01:54:52 with nethack, it's "my fault" for not knowing $stupid_spoiler 01:54:56 _that_would_have_saved_me 01:55:05 elliott: this is why #nethack exists 01:55:15 they're both death-by-not-reading-spoilers, but NetHack's are more annoying 01:55:28 ais523: I want to play a roguelike, not IRC :) 01:56:27 "You could also have learned any of this by viewing the in-game item description." 01:56:32 monqy: help, henzell is bullying me 01:56:54 oh no 01:57:56 hmm 01:58:12 monqy: help 01:58:19 hello 01:58:22 hi 01:58:25 shachaf: what's the concern 01:58:45 OK, you know what's annoying? when you see what seems like a meme in various places but it isn't on knowyourmeme.com and isn't turned up by a websearch on its name 01:59:07 maybe it isn't a meme 01:59:17 You know what's annoying? 01:59:22 monqy: indeed, but in that case the coincidence is still annoying, and you still have no idea what people were referring to 01:59:25 The modern usage of the word "meme" on the Internet. 01:59:38 Whoever came up with that ought to be removed. 01:59:42 hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers? // define "desynthesizer" 01:59:48 Gregor: he does so several lines later 01:59:54 Gregor: something that takes synthesizer output and produces a MIDI file 01:59:59 MIDI synthesizer output, that is 02:00:02 Ah. 02:00:07 i.e. the inverse operation of a MIDI synthesizer 02:00:08 des yn the sizer 02:00:25 No, all the ones I know of are truly awful. 02:00:39 I thought that might be the answer 02:00:48 ais523: why doesn't nethack have tab? 02:00:51 can't be any worse than scolily, the only one in the repositories, unless they actually contain malware or the like 02:00:54 The fundamental problem is that distinguishing overtones from tones is infeasible, so you have a sensitivity parameter, and no sensitivity parameter ever works usefully. 02:00:57 elliott: What's tab? 02:01:01 a key 02:01:10 Gregor: oh, I came up with a cunning plan for that 02:01:20 elliott: NetHack has that key. 02:01:33 Tryocmyol sounds like a medicine. 02:01:38 *Tryocomyol. 02:01:59 lowest frequency must be a tone, then overtones are multiples of that, the nth overtone tends to have an amplitude of 1/n or less compared to the fundamental, if it's more than that you have another tone 02:02:09 this doesn't work on pulsetrains, but who uses those? 02:02:38 ais523: I've used WAON (the site for which appears to have vanished), and would not recommend it. 02:02:45 Oh wait, http://waon.sourceforge.net/ 02:02:47 There, a site. 02:02:57 Gregor: does it produce nonempty output? that's the problem I was having with scolily, that it wouldn't produce anything but a blank file 02:03:07 lol, well, it produces a MID, yes. 02:03:21 also, that it took input only from the microphone, which was annoying 02:03:25 waon has the lovely property that if you turn its sensitivity WAY down, you can produce a MIDI file from human speech that will render recognizable human speech. 02:03:36 They should make all species hunger work like ghoul hunger in Crawl. 02:03:44 I managed to figure out how to configure pulseaudio to copy the speaker output to the default input 02:03:48 Gregor: that's cool 02:03:51 elliott: what about mummy hunger 02:03:57 monqy: that can stay how it is 02:04:00 Hmm, tab moves toward and/or attacks a visible monster? 02:04:09 although, it seems to also copy timing properties if you do that; if nothing's going to the speaker, anything trying to read from the microphone freezes, UNIX pipe style 02:04:27 which is brilliant but not if you're scolily and add a 4 second countdown from the microphone's timing source for no god reason 02:05:40 Gregor: wow, their Ubuntu package is built against /gutsy/ 02:05:43 I think I'm going to recompile :) 02:06:16 brace for Gregor Debian superiority 02:06:35 No package in Debian. 02:06:45 no package in precise, either 02:06:49 Which should mean that it's not worthwhile. 02:06:52 Which it isn't ;) 02:06:55 but that's not surprising given that they're offering a gutsy package on their website 02:07:03 Gregor: well I'm going to try it anyway 02:07:21 hmm, a /really/ good desynthesizer could probably reverse-engineer the soundfont 02:07:40 I'm going to get it just to remake some voice->midi->voice stuff, which is fun X-D 02:08:19 _d - a scroll labeled TWAT ERACAPAC 02:08:22 good scroll name 02:10:05 * ais523 wonders why fftw depends on openmpi 02:10:37 ais523: hey, what god would you go with for GhMo? 02:10:46 XOM 02:10:58 elliott: needs a combat-character-oriented god; trog is out for obvious reasons 02:10:58 just play ghck, shachaf 02:10:59 The all-purpose god. 02:11:09 ais523: hmm, which obvious reasons? 02:11:11 monqy: help, what's a ghck 02:11:16 elliott: undead can't berserk 02:11:34 trog offers more than that, but ok :P 02:11:44 yes, but it's a serious nerf to lose one of his main abilities 02:12:06 makhleb would work; yred would work, if you prefer that playstyle, but is a bit more niche than makhleb 02:12:25 lugonu would work but is hard to end up worshipping in the first place 02:12:33 elliott: I’ll play a bit of Lair. 02:12:49 ion: watching (bigterm is still sinful) 02:12:56 a lot of gods won't accept you (fedhas, tso, ely, zin, beogh), which makes things easier 02:12:59 ais523: if I wanted lugonu I could have gone GhAK 02:13:03 right, indeed 02:13:04 (which is fun to pronounce) 02:13:08 if you want yred, just play ghdk; if you want lugonu, just play ghak 02:13:15 right 02:13:30 and yred ally management is annoying 02:13:35 monqy: picking up a god at temple is often a good idea even if they're a starting god, because then you get benefits from a different background 02:13:46 Trying to find the perfect soundfont to render this in X-D 02:13:48 if you're planning to cast, you could go sif or veh 02:13:56 but those are bad ideas if you aren't casting 02:14:03 i'm not casting 02:14:08 ais523: monk benefits "you get the piety you would have gotten if you had just started with the god" 02:14:28 monqy: that's quite a recent addition, so I forgot about it 02:14:41 do monks have a better starting inventory than death knights, etc? 02:14:52 if so, that'd be a big reason for mo over dk 02:15:11 monk inventory is pretty plain 02:15:23 elliott: you could also go nemelex, who is broken for all characters but needs both a lot of spoilers and a lot of patience to use correctly 02:15:35 http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.ogg IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL 02:15:36 monqy has told me about nemelex and now i never want to play nemelex 02:15:39 unless they fixed that, in which case he's just bad as it was the main point 02:16:01 not a lot of options not considered, at this point, given that I don't consider xom a serious choice 02:16:06 Gregor: Can I have that in MP3? 02:16:10 oh, does ashenzari still exist? you could do that 02:16:12 I can't play oggs here. :( 02:16:14 elliott: ... no. 02:16:17 ais523: Ashenzari still exists, yes. 02:16:18 Gregor: :'( 02:16:22 elliott: Why? 02:16:22 Gregor: WAV? 02:16:25 Because OS X. 02:16:39 http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.mp3 02:16:41 elliott: ashenzari is intended to be a low-maintenance god needing not a lot of concentration from the player 02:16:44 Firefox and Chrome both support ogg ;) 02:16:49 (I theoretically have Perian installed, but it doesn't work.) 02:16:52 not sure if they succeeded at that 02:17:10 Gregor: Not sure what your definition of recognisable speech is X-D 02:17:20 ais523: I ask because I went for Makhleb previously. 02:17:20 kiku is a bad choice for a non-caster; and chei the devs can't decide how they actually want to work 02:17:23 (On monqy's recommendation.) 02:17:26 with the result that it changes a lot how he acts 02:17:36 makhleb was a good recommendation, but I'd say go ash if you want a change 02:17:37 Chei I can never take seriously because monqy laughed at it. 02:17:38 elliott: Recognizable /as/ speech. 02:18:11 elliott: the problem with chei is that his fundamental idea is full of drawback, so they give amazing advantages to balance it out, and then nerf it whenever they look like they're actually helpful 02:18:12 and this goes in cycles 02:18:18 haha 02:18:34 problem is the advantages aren't actually amazing, sorry chei 02:18:36 :'( 02:18:42 monqy: they /used/ to be, remember the ubernaga thing? 02:18:54 mmm 02:18:55 presumably he's in a nerf phase at the moment, based on what you're saying 02:19:06 he hasn't really been buffed since then 02:19:14 "big nerf phase" 02:19:28 if you want more choices, there's okawaru, and uhh wow how am I forgetting everything 02:19:34 monqy, elliott update 02:19:41 oka's better for weapon-dependent characters 02:19:44 im level 2 now 02:20:01 ais523: how so? sure you get weapon gifts but 02:20:24 monqy: and the other abilities are height and maste 02:20:33 (used to be might and haste, but they mixed them up a bit) 02:20:34 you mean heroism and finesse 02:20:38 yes, I do :) 02:20:41 yes you do 02:20:41 ok 02:20:42 so 02:20:53 how do those work better for weapons than unarmed?? 02:21:52 finesse works badly on things with short delays, doesn't it? 02:23:02 height and maste :D 02:23:04 it halves attack delay. so minimum delay uc would go from what is it 5 to 3 02:23:27 or maybe they use random rounding there now 02:23:40 oh wait no they wouldn't since isn't 3 the hard cap 02:23:43 or is it not 02:23:52 "bad at memorys" 02:24:23 monqy: it's the cap I was talking about 02:24:58 anyway i don't see it as a significant deterrent from going oka on unarmed 02:25:07 well, OK 02:25:10 unarmed is stronger than most weapons anyway 02:25:18 monqy: even with the aux nerfs? 02:25:26 oh, they were nerfed recently? 02:25:46 was it after being buffed 02:25:56 oh, they were buffed again? 02:25:58 lmao 02:26:01 I was talking about the nerf before that 02:26:09 elliott: this is common with all sorts of things in Crawl 02:26:26 heavy armour is the most famous, it was buffed and nerfed on alternate releases for five releases, possibly more 02:26:36 meph is a bit of an exception, it only ever gets nerfed 02:26:59 not enough 02:26:59 alternate releases? 02:27:32 wasn't it nerfed in 0.6, buffed slightly in 0.7, buffed greatly in 0.8, maybe nerfed a bit in 0.9, i forget what happened in 0.10, 0.11 02:27:32 monqy: nerf then buff then nerf then buff then… 02:27:45 oh, perhaps I'm misremembering slightly 02:27:52 i wasn't around for 0.5 02:27:59 0.5 it was easily the best build there 02:28:07 yeah that's what I understand 02:28:09 MDFi was the "win easily" combo recommended for beginners 02:28:14 and it was a joke or something in 0.6 02:28:20 ion: You can't say brb and then not tell me when you start again! 02:28:40 elliott: /were/ you right back? if not, you were just disobeying his admonition and it was your fault! 02:28:46 elliott: “right” after i said it. 02:28:54 if someone tells you to be right back, you should be right back! 02:29:00 Perhaps 5–10 10 seconds. 02:29:16 Err, more likely 10. 02:30:56 1010 seconds 02:31:05 The time it took me to type ^SO/regenerationI#:wqp plus a few seconds of thinking time. 02:31:56 Thinking? In Crawl? 02:32:01 No, in vi 02:34:04 126 stones? That's a many stone. 02:34:05 brb. 02:34:16 You can have some of them. 02:35:02 bacque 02:35:03 klqwje 02:35:44 ais523: anyway, what do you mean Xom's not a serious option? :) 02:35:59 elliott: his main purpose is to throw extra randomness into your game 02:36:06 which in practice, means extra deaths 02:36:13 s/randomness/[Ff]un/ 02:36:32 xom helping you isn't very helpful as you can't rely on it, xom hurting you can be very hurtful as it can come at a time you really don't want it to 02:36:45 monqy: listen to this boring dude 02:36:51 Clearly, Xom best incorporates the DF motto 02:37:03 nah, Xom is nothing like DF 02:37:12 elliott: boring and serious are similar concepts 02:37:21 Losing is Fun, I mean 02:37:22 I said he wasn't serious; rather, he's the frivolous option 02:37:26 so if you want frivolity, great 02:37:29 with DF, it's the combination of a bunch of perfectly normal, logical, and measured aspects into a gigantic clusterfuck that kills you 02:37:37 with Xom, it's just Xom that kills you 02:38:02 Gregor: haha, wow waon is bad 02:38:06 DF is a sequel? 02:38:10 Sgeo: Yes. 02:38:13 just like you said 02:38:18 but it's /still/ not as bad as scolily 02:38:40 Sgeo: The complete name of the game is Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress. 02:38:47 Where's Chapter I? 02:38:55 ...or wait, were you joking 02:38:58 That's Slaves to Armok: God of Blood; http://www.bay12games.com/armok/. 02:39:00 No, I wasn't joking. 02:39:19 There's an #esoteric log where fizzie quotes I-think-mooz talking about his experiences with it. 02:39:31 It shares the "excruciating detail about the state your various body parts are in" aspect with DF. 02:39:36 But it's a single-player 3D RPG-style thing. 02:39:41 3D? 02:40:12 Yes. 02:40:20 http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/3549/armokky.jpg 02:40:43 More screenshots: http://www.bay12games.com/armok/ascreens.html 02:41:12 Sgeo: In fact, Dwarf Fortress was a rather infamously vapourware sequel; it was announced in 2002 or so, and came out in 2006. 02:41:30 AFK 02:41:40 (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Millionth_topic_pool#Video_games) 02:41:40 letting it sink in? 02:41:54 * elliott wonders what monqy is talking about. 02:42:00 19:41:30 < Sgeo> AFK 02:42:03 Gregor: haha, WAON's output actually made timidity SIGABRT 02:42:05 Oh. 02:42:25 ion: Spiders!!! 02:42:27 Do spiders 02:42:31 DO SPIDERS 02:42:36 ^rainbow SPIDERS 02:42:36 SPIDERS 02:42:39 ais523: Don't use timidity anyway, it is made of lame. 02:42:41 Use fluidsynth. 02:42:41 do spiders 02:42:44 ^rainbow S P I D E R S 02:42:45 S P I D E R S 02:42:47 ion: are you doing spiders 02:42:49 (Which is also lame, but in different ways) 02:42:57 Gregor: waon's documented as a reverse of timidity 02:43:01 so I'm round-tripping to see if it works 02:43:23 That is a rather silly way to document it X-D 02:43:46 skeletonsskeletonsskeletons 02:45:28 * ais523 wonders what they test WAON on 02:45:37 surely they've /noticed/ its output is unintelligible? 02:45:58 monqy: I think i’ll leave it for later. :-) 02:46:08 :( 02:46:48 "Okay, then." --Crawl 02:46:50 ion: See? 02:46:53 Even Crawl agree. 02:47:03 good point 02:47:15 ^rainbot ELIOT PRIDE 02:47:18 ^rainbow ELIOT PRIDE 02:47:18 ELIOT PRIDE 02:47:20 Gregor: btw, I just opened snd2mid2snd, you have a nicely musical voice 02:47:36 can't make out what you're /saying/, though 02:48:48 yessss 02:48:50 ... 02:48:51 spiderssssssssss 02:48:53 Come onnnn 02:48:54 I AM TWILIGHT SPARKLE 02:48:56 Yesssss 02:48:58 hmm, and I see what you mean about the competitors; one is commercial, runs only on Windows and Irix, and was last developed in 1998, and the other was hosted on geocities (and not archived by reocities) 02:48:58 Spidersssssss 02:49:08 moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible 02:49:22 `addquote moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible 02:49:25 850) moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible 02:49:53 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 02:50:27 elliott, ais523: You have to try to listen to the incidental sound instead of the primary sound, if you focus on the actual pizz then it's unrecognizable, but if you listen for the resultant reverb, the voice is more noticeable. 02:50:46 Already did that. 02:51:02 It makes good avant garde music, though. 02:51:11 You should get an orchestra to play it. 02:51:20 so, hmm, I wonder what it sounds like if you just track the fundamental 02:51:27 as in, the lowest significant frequency 02:51:38 that couldn't possibly be confused by overtones, although it probably gets confused by something else, like beats 02:52:11 likewise, simply taking the strongest frequency would probably get you one of the melody lines 02:52:44 Then BLEND THEM TOGETHER 02:54:31 ais523: Tell ion to go back to spiders. 02:54:33 this problem is hard, but it can't be as hard as some of the solutions people are indicating is implying 02:56:56 monqy: Tell ion to go back to spiders. :( 02:57:02 ion: spidres 02:57:22 You go to spiders. 02:57:26 No. 02:57:28 You go to spiders. 02:57:33 No. 02:57:35 You go to spiders. 02:57:36 I'm nowhere near spiders. You are. 02:57:37 Go to spiders. 02:57:51 elliott: when you find spiders, will you go to it? 02:57:56 B - the -2 pair of boots of Xom's Pride {rElec Str+2} (3 aum) 02:57:59 Xom's Pride indeed. 02:58:01 monqy: Yes. 02:58:05 yaey 02:58:10 yæy 02:58:35 monqy: I might train up a bit first, though. 02:58:41 ion: Will you go back to them *sometime*? 02:59:01 03:58 spider nest[2/5]: Gear checklist: most importantly: rPois and or potions of curing; clarity is a big help against tarantellas; some ranged attack is a big help against orb spiders; escape items of course; with rPois there are plenty of corpses to eat, else bring food. 02:59:04 Checklists. Exciting. 02:59:15 ion: s p i d e r s 03:00:52 I’m tempted to join Jiyva, but Trog would instakill me. :-( 03:00:54 ion: Convert to Jiyva. 03:00:58 Then go into the slime pits. 03:01:02 Then eat a spider. 03:01:10 Oh, you just said you were tempted to. 03:01:12 ion: C'mon. 03:01:13 I'll protect you. 03:01:15 ion: instant retribution is gone 03:01:19 You're XL13. Big boy now. 03:01:22 monqy: Oh? 03:01:26 ion: yeah 03:01:33 What does Trog do then? 03:01:39 waits before retributioning 03:01:40 grumbles; cries a bit 03:01:56 ion: "one way to find out" 03:02:09 ion: he still instakills you, just a bit later 03:02:15 So instead of me knowing when he’ll attack it will be a surprise? That sounds much better. 03:02:29 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:02:32 See, that sounds like fun. 03:02:33 C'mon. 03:02:35 Convert to Jiyva. 03:02:39 The jellies will protect you. 03:02:46 Would reading a spellbook cause retribution, or just lost of piety, or what? 03:02:51 04:02 trog wrath[1/4]: ABANDONMENT: 50 penance RETRIBUTION: 50% summoning abjurable, but berserking hostiles from (iron troll, deep troll, rock troll, troll, black bear, grizzly bear, stone giant, hill giant, ogre, two-headed ogre); 33% weakening effect (decay, STR loss, paralysis, slowing); 16% fire miscast. 03:02:53 See, that's not so bad. 03:03:38 I don't know, ion. You won't go into the Spider Nest, won't convert to Jiyva... 03:03:41 You're so boring. 03:03:48 I can give you your money back. 03:03:51 elliott, Xom is bored? 03:03:54 which other lair branch did you get 03:04:00 Sgeo: hi 03:04:01 Slime pits. 03:04:10 Snake 03:04:12 elliott: snake 03:04:13 Oh. 03:04:14 and Slime 03:04:19 I don't like how ion can type ^O and I can't. 03:04:35 03:04:36 elliott: Remember what i said about Crawl’s architecture sucking? 03:04:43 -!- ais523 has quit. 03:04:45 No, mine is terminal architecture. 03:04:56 Now go to slime or spider or snake. Or convert to Jiyva. 03:05:00 Anything of interest! 03:05:22 I’m still considering Jiyva. Too bad i can’t abjure. 03:05:23 since when is lair not the epitome of interesting? yaey, green rats 03:05:41 Porcupines also! 03:06:02 I'll pay you WHOLE MONEYS to Jiyva. 03:07:14 ion: wut 03:07:20 Awwwwwwwww what 03:07:25 You can't quit just before something interesting happens. 03:07:37 I’m considering sleeping. 03:07:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:07:54 @time ion 03:07:54 Local time for ion is Wed May 2 06:07:54 2012 03:07:57 Don't be ridiculous. 03:08:00 elliott: flipsidely, now you can do something interesting 03:08:09 monqy: Do I ever do anything interesting? 03:08:23 I don't know 03:08:23 just rebooted, timidity seemed to have got permanently screwed up in a way that survived me killing the process and restarting it 03:08:25 elliott is playing as elliptic 03:08:29 but rebooting the computer worked 03:08:37 ion: How did you discover my alt??? 03:08:37 thus, I suspect Pulse is at fault 03:08:45 *?!?! 03:09:08 /nick ellion 03:09:10 elliptic is one of those people, like Adeon, that it's impossible for anyone else to convincingly pretend to be 03:09:38 ais523: I'm good at convincingly pretending to people who can't be convincingly pretended to be! 03:09:41 *pretending to be 03:09:53 It’s trivial to pretend to be elliott. Behold: 03:09:54 can people convincingly pretend to be me 03:09:57 SPIDERS 03:09:59 s p i d e r s 03:10:03 SSPPIIDDEERRSS 03:10:12 ion: hi elliott 03:10:30 OK, so let me read this android-ported-to-C# story on slashdot 03:10:43 so many possible troll and fanboy angles, it'll be fun seeing which one comes up first 03:11:18 monqy: is there a max xl in crawl 03:11:21 elliott: 27 03:11:25 thought so 03:11:27 what is it with 27? 03:11:44 arc number 03:11:49 /kick ais523 03:12:19 first comment was about oracle, figures 03:13:14 monqy: shoudl i plh 03:13:15 oapl 03:13:17 plqy 03:13:18 plwy 03:13:19 ply 03:13:20 aplye 03:13:22 play 03:13:24 that was real thpo 03:13:26 s 03:13:28 typos 03:13:38 ais523: what else is there 27 of? 03:13:39 second thread was about Microsoft patents 03:13:44 dungeon levels 03:13:48 coppro: max skill levels, dungeon levels 03:13:54 and they're aiming for 27 races, backgrounds, and gods 03:14:05 (even though this is probably a bad idea!) 03:14:09 but the races and backgrounds are selected by letters! 03:14:14 they'll need to add another letter to the alphabet 03:14:27 å 03:14:32 i thought the "aiming" was a joke 03:15:05 elliott: capital A (they've gone over 26 backgrounds before now) 03:15:21 background is the yy in xxyy right 03:15:45 yes 03:16:44 monqy: im aplye 03:17:07 have you decided a god 03:17:13 what does ashe give you again 03:17:15 it'll be either 03:17:15 you can search for altar and stare at the list 03:17:18 ashe or thingy 03:17:22 elliott: ashenzari gives information 03:17:26 and likes you to wear cursed stuff 03:17:37 "Likes when you wear cursed gear" what 03:18:02 elliott: Drink the potion of mutation. 03:18:09 ashenzari's the god who nailed himself to the sky 03:18:18 ion: going to 03:18:19 Oh, crap. Your race is wrong. –ion, the racist 03:18:31 wait, there's an argument over the pronunciation of "C#", I didn't expect /that/ 03:18:32 oh wait 03:18:37 it doesn't do anything for me 03:18:39 awsum 03:18:40 I forgot there were flame wars /within/ the communities too… 03:18:47 ais523: Haha 03:19:10 monqy: ok you pick ashe or thingy 03:19:11 this may be the first submission I've read for a while with /no/ insightful unpredictable comments 03:19:18 elliott: whats thingy 03:19:23 uhhhhhh 03:19:24 elliott: and which gods have you seeen 03:19:25 makhleb 03:19:38 i already narrowed them down before?? 03:19:39 elliott: ^Faltar since you can't ^O 03:19:39 didnt i 03:19:44 # in Finnish is informally risuaita, which translates to stick fence. 03:19:48 C stick fence. 03:19:53 xom 03:20:35 thanks, monqy 03:20:38 the curse thing seems uhhh 03:20:41 elliott: you can try all of them across different games 03:20:41 What do you mean by "you have to run Windows underneath Linux anyway"? 03:20:43 Vacuuming the dungeon for Nemelex might be fun for a while. 03:20:48 ion: ha 03:20:48 monqy: i know!! 03:20:49 ion: ha 03:20:49 ion: ha 03:20:50 im deciding for 03:20:50 this game 03:21:00 I'm going to call Poe's Law on that conversation, there is no other way to explain it in 2012 03:21:01 the curse thing is weird 03:21:03 elliott: flip a coin with as many sides as you require 03:21:13 monqy: is the curse thing weird 03:21:31 ooh, and now an anti-C# thread 03:21:32 elliott: ashe was added only after I mostly stopped playing 03:21:42 hmm, dpeg wrote the post announcing them 03:21:45 BET IT SUCKS 03:21:50 dpeg is the one who kicked ais523 right 03:22:01 ye6s 03:22:07 and me 03:22:17 (fun fact: I typoed "ye6s", then corrected it to "yes", then decided to put the original typo back in) 03:22:22 (I do'nt know why, maybe I'm tired) 03:22:30 ye6s 03:22:39 monqy: which god you pick :'( 03:22:48 chei 03:22:54 no!!! 03:22:54 out of 03:22:55 those two 03:23:02 ashe and thingy 03:23:03 makhleb 03:23:26 17:41:46 < elliptic> ghoul of chei is pretty good, yes 03:23:34 oh, and more fun facts: Java is 1.5 times slower than C, and C# is 7 times faster than Java 03:23:37 see, even elliptic approves of ghoul of chei 03:23:41 * ais523 has a feeling that these facts do not connect with each other well 03:23:43 when was that 03:23:47 earlier today 03:23:54 less than 3 hours ago 03:23:54 i 03:23:55 ok 03:23:57 * ais523 suspects conveniently selected benchmarks 03:23:57 surely his opinion hasn't changed 03:24:02 Chei can be fun for a while, too. 03:24:10 elliott: there is at least a 40% chance elliptic was trolling when he said that 03:24:12 ais523: please tell ajzaff about preview... 03:24:18 and yes, I suspected 03:24:29 monqy: come onnnn ashe or makh 03:24:32 either 03:24:36 no 03:24:37 which :( 03:24:38 don't make me choose!!!! 03:24:50 make someone else choose 03:24:54 no 03:24:55 you 03:25:02 can i phone a friend 03:25:08 yes 03:25:26 ashenzari 03:25:32 monqy: the friend can't be an RNG though 03:25:35 it has to be human 03:25:38 or at least sentient 03:25:54 elliott: OK I told him 03:26:01 NASA really knows graphic design. Those images are so pretty. http://colorusage.arc.nasa.gov/bkg_1.php 03:26:06 elliott: ashenzari 03:26:11 you can phone me, and I'll say ash 03:26:15 elliott: ashenzari 03:26:25 monqy: ok fine butthat was totally cheating 03:26:27 ...butt hat 03:26:42 i regret this already 03:26:43 excellent 03:26:56 I almost asked "ashenzari or makhleb for ghmo of chei" then corrected it then almost uncorrected it 03:27:04 :D 03:27:21 appending "of chei" to anything makes it better 03:27:27 so i don't sacrifice corpses for ashey? 03:27:31 indeed 03:27:47 20:26:42 < elliott> i regret this already 03:27:50 i wonder if leather armour of magic resistance is better than a +0 robe 03:27:52 next game go chei to cleanse your soul 03:28:23 (by "i wonder if" i mean "hey monqy, is") 03:28:29 oh 03:28:29 uh 03:28:33 dunno ! 03:28:44 hey ais523, is 03:28:44 are you going armoures or what 03:28:44 elliott: I read that as "hey, monqy is" 03:28:47 it makes the sentence better 03:28:56 monqy: im not sure "maybe light armoure?" 03:28:56 not the ping on me, the previous of your lines 03:28:59 but 03:29:05 i don't know what the light armour progression is 03:29:10 -!- Reinu has joined. 03:29:33 "robe -> spells -> thanks for going light armoures" 03:29:35 `welcome Reinu 03:29:39 Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 03:29:42 monqy: not spells!! im not doing spells 03:29:45 isn't there like 03:29:47 why not heavy it up!!! 03:29:50 dragon plate things or something 03:29:56 oh, medium armoures 03:29:56 ok fine i'll heavy it up i hate this plate armour here but 03:30:05 Reinu: also this channel isn't actually about crawl I just happen to be playing crawl sorry 03:30:12 uhh by "i hate" i mean "i have" 03:30:21 elliott: why not move the conversation to #nethack-offtopic? 03:30:29 noooo 03:30:32 or, hmm, the -offtopic channel for some arbitrary large channel 03:30:40 why not move it to #ubuntu? 03:30:49 why not move it to ##crawl-dev 03:30:49 they won't notice it 03:30:50 The -offtopic channel of #haskell-blah for instance. 03:31:01 #haskell-blah-blah 03:31:16 hello guys 03:31:17 hi, sose 03:31:18 No, #haskell 03:31:22 by sose I mean Reinu 03:31:27 hi reinu 03:31:31 heinu 03:31:37 the offtopic channel of #haskell is #esoteric 03:31:48 kmc: that's surprisingly accurate sometimes 03:31:50 hi Reinu btw 03:32:04 * ais523 checks if #esoteric-offtopic still exists 03:32:14 cool my nickname got a nickname 03:32:22 apparently not 03:32:23 monqy: does menkaure go upstairs? 03:32:27 yes 03:32:36 monqy: i mean, if it's not next to me 03:32:39 i guess probably not 03:33:00 hmm, this channel is currently silly and offtopic because the people in it are tired, rather than silly and offtopic because it's usually like that 03:33:25 I'm not tired 03:33:28 is monqy tired? 03:33:29 which channel is this again 03:33:33 what's tired? not me 03:33:35 this channel is always silly and offtopic 03:33:45 _Ashenzari no longer supports your skills. 03:33:46 oops 03:33:54 you gain piety for exploreing 03:34:02 that's a good thing actually 03:34:09 wow menkaure was a pushover 03:34:20 welcome to ghmo "have a nice day" 03:34:26 elliott: menkaure is like sigmund, a pushover except when he kills you at random 03:35:22 Reinu: I'm normally happy to carry on an ontopic conversation if someone else starts it, though, as long as I can vaguely understand what it's about 03:35:46 ais523 is the official defender of topicality 03:36:08 sort of like being the official wedding priest at a satanist orgy 03:36:08 it's a losing battle 03:36:10 what is the oficial topic of this channel? 03:36:14 esoteric programming languages 03:36:17 04:29 Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 03:36:36 ooh tanks 03:36:41 thanks* 03:36:45 we finally discovered what the appropriate channel for the other sort of esotericisim was quite recently, after years of looking 03:36:54 (so that we could send people who were in the wrong place there) 03:37:06 hahaha it seems i come in a good time 03:37:12 `? esoteric 03:37:15 This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. 03:37:31 got it 03:37:59 hmm, clearly we need an esoterica-based esolang 03:38:07 just to really confuse people as to which channel is which 03:38:48 weren't you looking the other channel to guide people there why would you like to confuse them now? 03:39:11 we didn't look for it, someone else stumbled across it 03:39:23 I think you help the newbies and confuse the regulars 03:39:26 or something 03:39:31 I'm a regular and I'm confused, that's a start 03:40:30 ais523: meanwhile, john carmack answers a Stack Exchange question about a tweet he made 03:40:38 awesome 03:40:42 was it a serious answer or a troll answer? 03:40:45 serious 03:40:46 it'd be awesome either way 03:40:48 http://superuser.com/questions/419070/transatlantic-ping-faster-than-sending-a-pixel-to-the-screen 03:43:18 ooh, it's /both/ 03:44:18 serious answer for their audience, and trolling Sony a little 03:45:43 monqy: 18 str for plate armour right 03:46:51 yes 03:48:35 heh, I don't autopickup remove curse any more 03:48:42 oh, wait 03:49:35 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:49:54 ooh 03:49:55 thanks ashe 03:49:56 i think 03:49:57 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:50:50 yay, rpois 03:51:26 monqy: oh yeah, does ashe give me any abilities? 03:51:48 scrying, reskilling 03:52:18 OK, so nothing combat-wise 03:52:34 yaey, meph 03:52:35 hey, I could learn blink *and* mephitic cloud! 03:52:45 blink isn't so bad 03:53:31 controlled blink, however 03:53:36 oh, isn't that what blink is? 03:53:40 no 03:53:42 lame 03:53:58 blink is more like lugonu's bend space 03:54:11 but without hp loss etc etc 03:54:13 finally, a chei altar! 03:54:27 it's a good thing i was 03:54:30 ... 03:54:31 patient 03:54:35 ha 03:54:36 blink has a random target 03:54:40 which means it only saves you some of the time 03:54:43 i have to be not here for a bit but i'll be back sometime 03:54:47 ais523: you ruined monqy's haing!!! 03:54:48 @time monqy 03:54:49 Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 20:54:48 2012 03:54:54 happy 20:54:48 03:55:00 happy 03:55:02 elliott: so long as I don't ruin his hiing 03:55:10 ais523: shachaf did that 03:55:22 hmm, ogres annoy me 03:55:24 I want more HP 03:55:33 the fighting skill *does* give you HP, right? 03:56:09 elliott: it used to; then they either changed it so that it was the only thing that mattered or so that it didn't matter, I can't remember which 03:56:17 monqy: help 03:56:24 there was a huge debate about fighting being so much better than all the other skills 03:56:38 and that reskilling was broken as a result because people would just dump everything into fighting 03:56:44 but I can't remember how it was resolved 03:57:36 woo, I have +2 plate armour 04:00:28 monqy: gastronok is scary right 04:00:29 05:00 guru wisdom[3/24]: gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals 04:00:31 thanks, monqy 04:00:34 elliott, monqy update bluh bluh 04:01:09 ais523: I'm XL 9 and have chain mail, helmet, pair of boots, cloak, and unarmed combat at level 11.3 04:01:13 should I run away from gastronok? 04:01:17 there's a convenient upstairs 04:01:35 yes, you should 04:01:43 if you can't kill him at range, and you probably can't 04:01:47 should I bother closing the door on the way? 04:01:50 i hear he can open them 04:02:02 it won't waste any time if you do 04:02:06 * ion opens eliot’s Crawl and sees Gastronok. Nice. 04:02:08 you could probably even door-kite him, but that's ridiculous 04:02:18 ion: "elliott" isn't spelt like that 04:02:23 what's door-kiting 04:02:34 eliot: How are you spelt? 04:02:36 elliott: when you repeatedly close a door as a monster repeatedly tries to open it 04:02:53 normally the monster wins due to speed randomization, but gastronok is pretty slow 04:02:56 I'm just a bit worried that I'll run into him again when exploring the level 04:02:56 I don’t think that technique is reliable anymore since there’s some randomness in the movement times of characters. 04:03:02 and it's far down enough taht I'd rather not just skip the level entirely 04:03:04 hmm, now I have an urge to call an esolang "Elliot" 04:03:05 *that 04:03:25 gastronok's slow, you can just run away whenever he shows up 04:03:39 but he casts spells! 04:03:46 OK, should I run away to the upstairs or just to another part of the level? 04:04:23 I'd just go to another part of the level, but then I'm not very good at Crawl 04:04:31 what would ion do? he's probably worse 04:04:31 and don't normally run as far as I should 04:04:52 nooo 04:04:54 never mind, I died to a centaur 04:05:02 who gives those bastards that kind of gera? 04:05:04 *gear 04:05:17 they need nerfing 04:06:15 centaurs are a common monster to complain about 04:06:41 The next time don’t stay in the range where they can shoot stuff at you. If you can’t get outside that range quickly, melee them. 04:06:44 the usual solution is to use spells (specifically, rmsl and later dmsl) in order to take the edge off centaur-type monsters, to the extent that they are arguably balanced against a player's missile repulsion 04:06:50 and if you don't have the appropriate spells, sucks to be you 04:06:54 ion: I was trying to get out of the way; and then trying to melee it 04:07:10 it's not NetHack, you can't dodge projectiles by avoiding the compass directions 04:07:28 ais523: I think they should just make them start appearing later, and keep the difficulty the same 04:07:36 that way you'd have enough HP to offset their power 04:07:44 and I would die less 04:07:45 which is good 04:07:46 hahahaha 04:07:49 HP doesn't work like that in Crawl 04:07:58 :( 04:08:04 in that monsters scale much faster than it does 04:08:39 ion: Should I aplye again? 04:12:59 -!- shubshub has joined. 04:13:11 !bf_txtgen hi 04:13:16 ​41 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.+.>++. [311] 04:13:31 !userinterps 04:13:31 ​Installed user interpreters: about acro aol austro bc bct bf2c bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes cat chaos chiqrsx9p choo cmd cpick ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo ehird elmer fudd glogbot_ignore google graph hello helloworld id inc insanetemp jethro kraut lperl lsh map monqy num numberwang ook pansy pi pikhq ping pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python python2 redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 ruby_ sadbf sanetemp sfedeesh sffed 04:13:47 who deleted my interpreter! 04:14:05 !show ruby_ 04:14:05 sh ruby 04:14:59 !ruby_ print "hi" 04:14:59 ​/tmp/input.30313: line 1: ruby: command not found 04:18:33 elliott: yes 04:19:11 ion: Aplyeing. 04:19:38 wahthicng 04:20:29 Oops. 04:20:31 Do it!@ 04:20:42 :-( 04:20:49 Boots suck. 04:20:59 I can't fathom why. 04:24:14 Is +2 ring mail better than +0 scale mail? 04:24:22 Scale mail being one better than ring mail in general. 04:24:24 I can never tell. 04:24:34 Look at your AC and EV 04:24:42 How do I do that again :( 04:24:57 (AC is more important for a fighter.) 04:25:16 You see them in the default display. 04:25:22 Oh, right. 04:25:29 8/8 vs. 7/7. Okay. 04:25:33 Lower EV is best, right? 04:25:40 Higher both is best. 04:25:43 Oh. 04:25:43 Neat. 04:25:54 But prefer AC as a fighter. 04:26:25 (Of course there are other things that matter, too. Wear a plate mail with no armor skill and fighting will be difficult.) 04:27:43 Neat! 04:28:13 -!- Reinu has quit. 04:28:53 Fun. 04:29:17 05:29 grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky. 04:29:22 I can't tell how serious this entry is. 04:29:24 Should I run away? 04:29:34 Guess I'll ask whoever it is that does monster info. 04:31:37 (That's ion.) 04:32:20 oh no did you died 04:32:41 No. 04:32:43 But I grey rat. 04:33:22 IS GREY RAT SCARY ICANT TELLE monqy 04:33:25 last game, I mean 04:33:27 Grey rats aren’t that bad IIRC. 04:33:30 the one where you died 04:33:35 Yes, I died when I died. 04:33:36 Of centaur. 04:33:38 because I wasn't around to save you, presumably 04:33:44 Highlight: 04:33:49 05:00 monqy: gastronok is scary right 04:33:49 05:00 05:00 guru wisdom[3/24]: gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals 04:33:49 05:00 thanks, monqy 04:33:51 Look at it with x. It seems to say how bad the monster might be nowadays. 04:33:59 No, I died even though you were around to save me, inside Henzell. :( 04:34:06 monqy: IS GREY RAT SCARY 04:34:09 nO 04:34:15 grey rat is like rat 04:34:16 but grey 04:34:23 WHY DID HENZELL LIE TO ME 04:34:27 what did henzell say 04:34:31 You died because you ran back and forth and back and forth within the c’s shooting range. :-P 04:34:32 05:29 05:29 grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky. 04:34:42 ion: IT WAS A DANCE OF DEATH 04:34:54 elliott: henzell isn't always reliable, see {butterfly} 04:34:58 monqy: You should fix that learndb entry. :( 04:35:05 monqy: That one's obviously joking. 04:35:09 This one is less obviously so. :( 04:35:43 I need a good quote overhyping grey rats before I edit {grey rat} 04:36:09 OMG MY GREY RAT JUST KILLED EVERY MONSTER IN THE GAME AND THEN PERSONALLY STOLE THE ORB OF ZOT AND WON INSTEAD OF ME AND NOW I'M ITS PET INSTEAD 04:36:14 yuroerlwer cleome 04:36:25 also i'm wearing a helmet of clever 04:36:38 elliott: consider learndb "improved" 04:36:53 monqy: thanks 04:37:03 you forgot my quote though (please don't add my quote) 04:37:13 -!- cheater has joined. 04:37:27 b - a +2 plate armour of magic resistance 1629 gold 04:37:28 mmmmmmm 04:37:32 maybe i should rob a bank and then buy that 04:37:37 plate of rC is better 04:37:44 why is crawl's shop system boring you can't even steal 04:37:53 MR is good too 04:38:00 I guess MR is better if you already have enough rC 04:38:02 i'll just 04:38:05 add them both to my shopping list 04:38:06 for you rF would be best since you're ghoule 04:38:10 no don't get them boooth 04:38:14 im not going to 04:38:15 shopping list 04:38:16 oh ok 04:38:17 i cant remotely afford them 04:38:23 they cost approximately their full price more than i can afford 04:38:26 but you know 04:38:29 if i ever end up rich 04:38:43 remind me to remove those if i find plate armour i like 04:38:50 hi, neil 04:39:03 that's TeFe right 04:39:05 don'tw ant to look stupid 04:39:07 *don't want 04:39:22 hmm, i don't actually know how to get dump with sequelle 04:39:29 tefe yes 04:39:41 use !log 04:39:47 !log is short hand for !lg with the -log argument 04:40:55 it 04:41:01 looked harmless in the log 04:41:41 sure could use a scroll of make everything ok righ tnow 04:41:42 *right now 04:41:53 did you die 04:41:53 or was it a potion 04:42:12 astonishingly, 04:42:12 no 04:42:24 fuuuck orcs 04:42:32 uhhh 04:42:37 maybe i'm tough enough to just rush it with this hp 04:43:19 help monqy 04:43:28 who deleted my interpeeter? 04:43:35 uhh 04:43:40 it has ranged 04:43:42 wepon 04:43:44 if you're rushing it hit . instead of j 04:43:46 oh rang 04:43:52 uhhhh 04:43:52 h 04:43:56 do you have potiones 04:44:04 oh 04:44:04 "yes" 04:44:07 uhe 04:44:13 wande? 04:44:28 "noe" 04:44:32 "preemptive" 04:44:39 oh 04:44:42 uhh 04:44:47 what do you have 04:45:11 meat 04:45:19 probably a bad idea 04:45:20 oh poisoned darts 04:45:26 instead of rushing it i could 04:45:26 could throw a dart 04:45:28 poison dart it 04:45:33 until it arrives and then 04:45:34 melee it 04:45:35 hopefully 04:45:37 yeah sure 04:45:44 neate 04:45:48 thankse monqy 04:45:53 it can only have so many hand axes, and orcs are weak 04:47:09 is dwarf fortress on android? 04:47:24 sigh 04:47:31 ... 04:47:39 what did you do 04:47:41 or uh 04:47:43 i just don't like orc parties 04:47:43 what happened to you 04:47:44 oh 04:47:51 hi, duvessa and dowan 04:48:26 :( 04:48:45 how fast are they again 04:49:25 normal, until dowan hastes duvessa or duvessa berks because you killed dowan, or dowan hastes because you killed duvessa 04:49:38 wow uh 04:49:41 i don't know why i said fast 04:49:42 oh for 04:49:44 running away purposes 04:49:47 second question 04:49:48 should i run away 04:49:51 maybe 04:49:58 thanks 04:50:09 I never had a problem with them, but maybe that's just me 04:50:13 oh i have ?tele 04:50:20 maybe i'll try and kill them and 04:50:22 tele quickly 04:50:24 if you kill dowan first and flee from the berk it will time out and duvessa wont berk again 04:50:34 if you kill duvessa first, dowan will be upgraded forever 04:50:40 monqy: fleeing berk sounds kinda hard 04:50:42 ais523: i'm only xl6 though 04:50:50 admittedly my uc is 8.5 04:50:55 elliott: tele or carefully using stairs or meph or confuse etcetc 04:51:06 monqy: well tele works but 04:51:09 won't a few turns of berk kill me 04:51:11 elliott: by carefully I mean "take the stairs before duvessa gets next to you" 04:51:17 not really 04:51:19 well 04:51:23 maybe if you're real squishy 04:51:33 oh there's a downstairs right there 04:51:37 too bad it'll be uh 04:51:42 inaccessible once i get fighting 04:51:54 uurgh 04:51:58 i was hoping dowan would come first 04:51:59 usually they aren't that hard 04:52:08 ill 04:52:11 lure dowan up the stairs 04:52:12 or does that not work 04:52:20 it only works if you lure them both or one of thems dead 04:52:28 well 04:52:37 one fun thing to do is enslave one of them and get them to kill the other 04:52:45 lovely 04:52:49 i don't want them both to be able to fire at me right 04:52:50 so 04:52:53 I'v heard stories of polymorphing them into slime creatures and getting them to merge 04:52:58 i don't really see how i could get to fighting dowan 04:53:01 unless i 04:53:08 lured them both up the stairs and found a chokepoint and got lucky but 04:53:21 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:53:35 you don't have to kill dowan first 04:54:12 oh 04:54:13 uhhh 04:54:17 they're squishier than i expected 04:54:18 which getting them both almost dead then killing them both quicky is also a good plane 04:54:21 yes 04:54:21 (i died to them once) 04:54:24 oh 04:54:31 when i encountered them like 04:54:32 super early 04:54:44 on muck or what 04:54:52 might well have been, actually 04:55:00 yum, elfe 04:55:48 mmh 04:55:53 i guess this might be ok if i train armour 04:56:04 is EV 5 terrible 04:56:14 train armour is a good idea 04:56:26 swap back for now and keep training armour? 04:56:28 you don't want to use heavy armour if you don't train armour or it will just be awful 04:56:38 and then switch back when 04:56:40 i'm armour 04:59:29 yaey 05:00:11 aww, no meph 05:00:21 ooh ooh oooooh 05:00:35 armour or jewellery maybe??? 05:00:38 ais523: which should i acquire 05:01:23 jewellery used to be the only decent acquirement 05:01:29 perhaps armor acquirement has been fixed soon 05:01:35 *since 05:01:36 monqy: has armour acquirement been fixed soon 05:01:37 ais523: *armour 05:01:46 what? 05:01:47 oh right, Crawl has armour, NetHack has armor 05:01:54 monqy: acquirement 05:01:56 armour or jewellery 05:01:58 what was broken about it 05:02:01 oh 05:03:15 ais523: what was borkne ambout it :( 05:03:18 *broken about 05:03:37 you can ask ##crawl about acq; im not really aware of its current state 05:03:46 other than misc is laughable and that's why you should acquire misc 05:03:56 elliott: what you ended up acquiring sucked 05:04:05 ais523: that always happens 05:04:08 06:03 acquirement[2/3]: Q: What should I acquire? A: Wand. Or armour, or gold. Or, in rare cases, staff or jewellery. Or, in really rare cases, like you decided to do abyss with no food, food. 05:04:13 ais523: it's one of acquirement's design goals 05:04:22 :D 05:04:26 oh man 05:04:27 gloves 05:04:31 yaey 05:04:32 elliott: I guess armour, then, because presumably it's been buffed if it's mentioned as a good potion 05:04:35 so glad i took 10 minutes to make that decision 05:04:40 elliott: are they /good/ cloves/ 05:04:51 -2 05:04:54 :D 05:04:56 and on a ghoul no less 05:05:11 looks like you just got crawl dev'd 05:05:15 :'( 05:05:17 :') 05:05:20 :') 05:06:00 monqy: oh yeah what level should i train armour to before spliting 05:06:01 *splinting 05:06:10 nooo 05:06:11 electric eel 05:06:15 I'd personally just put the splint on and train armour 05:06:22 unless it lowers my ac or something 05:06:25 "lazey" 05:06:37 EV 9 to EV 6 is not very nice :( or is it 05:06:46 you also got more ac!! 05:06:52 it's true 05:06:53 anyway 05:06:54 electric eel 05:06:56 time to set up an exclusion zone 05:07:07 what's the key again 05:07:09 e 05:07:44 -!- shubshub has quit (Quit: R.I.P). 05:08:00 thanks, autoexplore 05:08:27 jellyfish the famous pushover 05:08:29 what is an orc wizard doing in water 05:08:31 monqy: yeah but 05:08:33 electric eel in same pool 05:08:35 not being in water 05:09:02 what, i thought i had hw id'd 05:09:19 is it not in \ 05:09:25 oh it is 05:09:26 i just 05:09:27 didn't have any 05:09:38 hi, centaur 05:10:06 uhhh 05:10:08 what is that centaur doing 05:10:11 is it trapped? 05:10:34 centaurs can't over water 05:10:37 by which i mean 05:10:39 walk on water 05:10:45 unless they have a +Lev weapon or something 05:10:51 they can still shoot over water just fine 05:11:06 you could confuse it 05:11:07 so it'd drown 05:11:19 goode idea 05:11:30 don't die in the process 05:11:36 wow i lost a lot of hp 05:11:46 wtf 05:11:47 fish hurt 05:12:00 no kidding 05:12:01 what's with that 05:12:19 how do i remove exclusion 05:13:26 e 05:13:37 rather, e will reduce its size, and then e again will remove it 05:13:41 and then e again will place it 05:14:06 help 05:14:22 it's pink if the exclusiones there 05:14:28 just hit pinks until they stop being pikn 05:14:37 or use ^E to clear exclusions 05:15:03 thanks 05:15:14 are jellyfish pushovers or 05:15:16 were you kiddinge me 05:15:24 jellyfish are indeed pushovers 05:16:15 fuck 05:16:16 electric 05:16:16 eels 05:16:27 maybe i should just skip this level 05:16:32 except 05:16:35 i think the temple is on this level 05:16:54 because 05:16:58 how much have you explored 05:16:59 there's a few altars 05:17:16 i think the stuff is 05:17:21 hereabouts 05:17:31 might be a secret door in that thing at the top 05:17:45 to the up and right of your cursore 05:18:09 thanks 05:18:23 im fuckt 05:18:37 only if ijyb has a gnasty wand 05:18:46 34 hp 05:18:49 so? 05:18:52 ok 05:18:56 huh 05:19:07 i misjudge how pushover things are because 05:19:11 i fight them at different levels each time 05:20:34 fml 05:20:41 oh my god 05:20:42 fuck this level 05:21:02 what's oka like again 05:21:07 ais523 was all bad for ghoul 05:21:09 but monqy was all wronge 05:21:44 personally oka doesn't excite me but 05:21:49 maybe oka would excite you 05:22:00 i remember a 05:22:03 joke about renaming oka to default 05:22:10 "jokes affect my opinion of crawle things" 05:22:17 god i hate ogres 05:22:27 they aren't so bad at this point are they 05:22:32 yeah but 05:22:45 have you found chei yet 05:22:46 they're still the only common thing that can put a huge splodge of red on my hp bar in a turn or two 05:22:56 wtf 05:22:57 my EV's gone down 05:22:58 i think 05:23:07 no? it was at 6 las ti hcecked 05:23:10 oh 05:23:10 ok then 05:24:15 TSOOOOOO 05:24:25 sticks to snakes 05:24:28 i 05:25:47 i like how my running away just 05:25:52 pummelled me with arrows 05:26:35 nO 05:26:37 FUCK YOU CRAWL 05:27:04 eeeh 05:27:08 monqy: can i survive a run to the > 05:27:44 can't you go around? 05:27:46 what's your xmap 05:27:50 also is that temple 05:28:36 also to get to the > you'd have to go through some plants 05:28:40 which takes time 05:28:43 so uh 05:28:47 just go to temple 05:29:22 didn't notice temple oops 05:29:37 chei! 05:29:41 :( 05:31:08 xome 05:31:15 makh or ashe 05:31:35 if you're alternating: makh 05:31:39 if you're asheing: ashe 05:31:44 well 05:31:48 i liked how i didn't have to do anything for ashe 05:31:51 but 05:31:57 maybe makh's fighting abilities matter to me more than see invis? 05:32:12 what auto-iding can ashey do for me 05:32:18 idk stuff 05:33:01 what 05:33:04 will it id scrolls for me 05:33:47 i dont know ashe stuff 05:33:56 ask ##crawl 05:34:32 okey 05:35:31 monqy: does equipment include scrolls and potions 05:35:38 idk 05:35:43 :( 05:37:03 The runed arrow hits you! You blink. 05:37:05 uhhhhhhh 05:37:11 dispersal 05:37:23 my hp is 05:37:24 scary 05:38:21 maybe i should downstairs 05:38:24 perhaps 05:38:49 fuck 05:38:51 help :( 05:38:52 did you really 05:38:53 throw a dart 05:38:55 yes im 05:38:57 kind of dumb 05:38:57 read fog 05:39:06 ugh fine read fear 05:39:06 next option 05:39:12 ok uhhh 05:39:14 then get to the door 05:39:16 can i run up to it and melee it now 05:39:16 and close it 05:39:16 oh 05:39:28 will it fire arrows if it's fleeing 05:39:32 no 05:39:36 once it stops fleeing though yes 05:39:43 oops 05:39:48 will it stop fleeing if i run up to it :( 05:40:00 it's fast so you won't be able to close distance like that until it stops fleeing anyway 05:40:07 ha 05:40:08 ha 05:40:08 ha 05:40:09 if i hadn't 05:40:13 read fear again 05:40:13 accidentally prayed 05:40:21 woops 05:40:22 heal 05:40:32 up 05:40:38 as in 05:40:40 k 05:40:40 go ^? 05:40:47 done 05:40:51 k 05:40:56 wow 05:40:57 that wa 05:40:57 s 05:40:57 close 05:40:58 convenient 05:41:06 have chunks? 05:41:12 run to upstairs i guess? 05:41:13 ok uhhh 05:41:22 running might be a ba didea 05:41:25 since the centaur will find you 05:41:51 since it's fast 05:41:55 When he opens the door, maybe you can melee him. 05:42:02 36 hp 05:42:05 otoh i do have curing 05:42:08 one 05:42:08 curing 05:42:10 Ok :-\ 05:42:15 i do have might i guess 05:42:20 good 05:42:24 quafe agility too 05:42:28 for the dodg 05:42:29 curing then agility? 05:42:35 sure 05:42:45 and might? 05:43:02 If i had to choose between dying to a shooting c and dying while meleeing a c, i’d try my luck with the latter one. 05:43:07 DRINK ALL THE POTIONS 05:43:08 might isn't as important since by the time it matters you're already distyanceclosed 05:43:19 yeah but 05:43:22 46 hp so 05:43:30 centaurs can be pretty bad even in melee sometimes??? 05:43:32 this one seems to be 05:43:32 tough 05:43:36 if it has that kind of weponry 05:43:38 ok whatever if you aren't confident in your centaurkilling ability by now uquaff it 05:44:10 oh fine 05:44:18 ok i guess it wasn't necessary 05:44:26 im picking up these arrows so that nobody else does 05:45:00 oh man what a ringe 05:45:09 hey royale jele 05:45:22 Almost nothing is cursed. :-( 05:45:28 yeah i 05:45:29 just became an ashey 05:45:42 oops 05:47:32 When @.x where x is some melee monster, don’t move toward him, press dot and let him move one step toward you. You’ll get the first punch. 05:47:56 don't do that if x has a polearms 05:48:08 or a whipe of reaching 05:48:09 gourmande 05:48:14 ion: yeah sometimes i just 05:48:16 rush things though 05:48:18 because i hate them 05:48:21 gourmande on ghouls makes you pretend all chunks are rotten 05:48:28 You feel a craving for the dungeon's cuisine. 05:48:28 yume 05:48:48 That would be a good name for a restaurant. 05:48:57 in a bdsm dungeon 05:49:02 or just 05:49:04 a regular dungeon i guess 05:49:06 "either workse" 05:49:14 yay, trolles 05:49:25 mcdonalds ball and slide dungeon 05:49:31 yes 05:49:33 uhhh 05:49:34 why are trolls yellow 05:49:37 i thought they're scarey 05:49:46 you mean the mlist? 05:49:53 don't trust the mlist colours 05:49:57 it was a horrible addition 05:50:11 it's so misleading 05:50:31 uugh 05:50:34 maybe i'll just 05:50:34 confuse it 05:50:38 then beat the crap out of it 05:50:41 sure 05:50:47 monqy: Huh. I haven’t had any problems with the colors. I like them. 05:51:19 ion: most of the time it works, but in those cases you already know the difficulties of stuff at least as precisely as the mlist colours them 05:51:26 wow what is it with the wandes on this floor 05:51:31 ion: but there are cases where it's way off 05:51:36 ion: like eyeballs and boggarts 05:51:46 ion: so you can't trust it if you don't know the difficulty of something already 05:51:49 ion: so it's useless 05:52:14 are bo of beasts good 05:52:16 *box 05:52:17 no 05:52:25 06:52 box of beasts[1/1]: Your own mobile petting zoo! Evoke to release a beast. If the evocation was unsuccessful, there is a 1 in 6 chance that the box will turn into a simple empty ebony casket. Succeeds (60 + evo)/100. Hostile: 1/(evo+5). Bat, hound, jackal, rat, ice beast, snake, yak, butterfly, water moccasin, crocodile, or hell hound (if not worshipping a good god). 05:52:28 that sounds like fune thoughe!!! 05:52:32 sure use it 05:52:50 ok i wont because you said no 05:52:54 no it's fine 05:52:55 doooo it 05:52:57 decide for yourself 05:52:59 do it do it 05:53:01 i 05:53:03 feel like i am being 05:53:04 using misc items is cool 05:53:08 "trolle'd" 05:53:10 no 05:53:11 monqy: that sounds like 05:53:12 sarceasme 05:53:21 you asked if it's good; the answer is no. should you use it? yes. 05:53:23 særcæsme 05:53:34 elliott: Did what? 05:53:41 well 05:53:42 i have it now 05:53:44 maybe i'll use it on zot:5 05:53:48 Ruined monqy's hiing? :-( 05:53:57 monqy: "is it true" 05:53:58 excuse me monqy laugh at the implication there please 05:54:11 oh, that one? 05:54:12 ha 05:54:12 ha 05:54:12 ha 05:54:13 ha 05:54:15 ha 05:54:18 shachaf: hey 05:54:20 shachaf: what? 05:54:32 what 05:54:38 oh 05:54:39 hiing 05:54:41 amonqy: "did shachaf ruine your hiing" 05:54:49 elliott: Next time try a deep elf summoner. They’re fun in the beginning. 05:54:52 quasit more like quashit 05:54:56 just saying 05:55:00 ion: I've been playing DESu! 05:55:07 _p - a scroll labeled ZEODGH YTODONIT {tried} 05:55:13 shachaf: I thought you didn't play crawl 05:55:15 i was gonna make a pun here but 05:55:19 it didn't work 05:55:22 monqy: I play it on 05:55:23 localhost 05:55:25 no 05:55:26 bad 05:55:27 stop 05:55:28 dont 05:55:36 Crawl version 0.10.2 05:55:37 on 05:55:37 are you going to tell me to hack and back them 05:55:38 localhost 05:55:38 because 05:55:40 `quote hack and back 05:55:42 839) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 05:56:06 elliott: hack and back what 05:56:12 well 05:56:15 what were you going to suggest 05:56:21 w/r/t what? 05:56:32 Did you open the box of breasts yet? 05:56:52 monqy: i thought you were upset about me whacking the goliath bettle 05:57:05 I wasn't watching 05:57:09 did you hack and back it :( 05:57:11 no 05:57:13 i just whacked it 05:57:15 and then you went no stop dont 05:57:17 whacking is fine 05:57:21 no that was 05:57:23 to shachef 05:57:27 whacking is fine –monqy, 2012 05:57:30 for... playing on localhost? 05:57:34 "shachef, paraphrased" 05:57:52 ha 05:57:54 that was nice 05:57:58 monqy: draw a self protrait of me :'( 05:58:01 `quote i just whacked it whacking is fine 05:58:04 No output. 05:58:12 it's `addquote 05:58:14 whatsthecommand 05:58:26 `addquote i just whacked it whacking is fine 05:58:30 851) i just whacked it whacking is fine 05:58:42 is that two spaces between the messages? 05:58:46 yes 05:58:47 good 05:59:00 two spaces = the greatest evile 05:59:08 greateste 05:59:08 neet, wand of digeing 05:59:23 shachaf: what do you look like, this is necessary for any good self portrait 05:59:48 does shachaf know what self means 06:00:05 golly 06:00:06 a spere trap 06:00:11 elliott: yes 06:00:11 gosh 06:00:18 guess ill 06:00:19 elliott: it meanse a portrait monqy draws of me 06:00:19 shake it 06:00:34 elliott: When you drew "sahchef, paraphrased" that was also a self portrait. 06:00:38 remembere? 06:00:41 kobold of ely 06:00:53 man 06:00:57 where is all the shit in this dunjon 06:00:57 ^O 06:01:23 ion: can't 06:01:28 ಠ_ಠ 06:01:31 help 06:01:39 help 06:02:36 Zombies art slowe. Hydras, not so slowe. 06:02:42 help 06:02:46 monqy: help 06:02:51 What do you have? 06:02:56 help 06:03:04 are you in a pickle 06:03:08 hydra here 06:03:11 rock troll zombie down there 06:03:59 do you want to see 06:04:00 itemse 06:04:32 help :( 06:05:08 You can escape stuff by blinking. And you can try to confuse the hydra and blast it with fire for instance. 06:05:53 monqy: should i melee hydra 06:06:01 monqy: draw a self protaraite of me ;'( 06:06:08 shachaf: ok 06:06:11 elliott: proably not 06:06:13 yay 06:06:19 monqy: i have glove 06:06:24 elliott: what's on your screne 06:06:25 oh 06:06:26 -2 globe 06:06:28 glove 06:06:31 i havent seeeen 06:06:44 i wouldnt want to mele it 06:06:48 -!- ais523 has quit. 06:06:52 if you do mele, definitely use glov 06:06:58 if i dont melee then?? :( 06:07:01 confuse?? fire?? 06:07:02 and if you do mele, soften it up from afar with wands, rather than charging it 06:07:06 if you dont melee, run away 06:07:08 WELCOME TO MELEE ISLAND 06:07:08 it's still wandering 06:07:11 yes but 06:07:12 you can skip the leve 06:07:13 l 06:07:14 if i run downstairs then 06:07:17 oh 06:07:17 elliott: does crawle have melee island 06:07:20 where's that zombie 06:07:29 there it is 06:07:31 it 06:07:33 hits pretty hard 06:07:39 elliott: What’s wrong with your ^O? 06:07:46 ion: entering it does nothing 06:08:10 Do other ctrl commands work? 06:08:14 yes 06:08:17 ^O has some special terminal meaning 06:08:42 Try telnetting to the server instead of sshing for shits and giggles. :-) 06:08:48 I do telnet to the server. 06:08:55 Try sshing to the server instead of telnetting for shits and giggles. :-) 06:08:56 Does CDO even offer ssh? 06:09:12 I want to be able to mosh to the server. :( 06:09:27 it offers ssh yes 06:09:32 "Yes, telnet on Mac OS X is blocking ^O" -- sigh. 06:09:41 *o does it. 06:09:43 tel net to stop it 06:09:50 net: stop blocking ^O 06:10:22 uhhh 06:10:27 should i recharge confusion or digging hmmm 06:10:39 They have the most insane ssh setuppe. Get the private key from and log in using ssh -o IdentityFile=cao_key crawl@crawl.develz.org 06:10:46 That's CAO. 06:10:52 yes 06:10:58 They use the CAO key for CDO? 06:11:03 yes 06:11:08 O kay. 06:12:05 07:11 scroll of amnesia[1/1]: Added in 0.8 along with the removal of the selective amnesia spell. Same rarity as enchant armour so expect around a dozen at zot. 06:12:08 But what does it *do*? 06:13:09 Lets you forget a spell. 06:13:17 Come on! 06:13:18 .ssh/config: http://hpaste.org/67953 06:13:20 Curse weapon is useless for me. :( 06:13:40 07:13 pressure plate[1/1]: A mystery trap whose function is defined in lua 06:13:41 help 06:13:50 should i steppe on it 06:14:00 Ooh, i’ve never seen one. 06:14:34 monqy: helpe 06:15:54 http://pastebin.com/iRne5Swh 06:16:00 I made a Underload -> Scala compiler for some reason... 06:16:00 elliott: what hapn 06:16:05 monqy: helpe eliote 06:16:06 monqy: pressure plate trape 06:16:32 should i 06:16:33 steppe on it 06:16:35 its mysterye 06:16:46 elliott, no, break the block under it. 06:16:51 its not mencretrft 06:16:54 Oh. 06:17:12 * Madoka-Kaname knocks the alcohol out of elliott 06:17:17 its not alcohol 06:17:20 its monqy influence 06:17:25 oh 06:17:27 hi 06:17:37 why don't they build these things with chokepoints 06:18:17 eeeh 06:18:25 monqy: is this a volte thing 06:19:35 yes 06:19:47 maybe it used to be a bailey entry 06:19:52 but bailey went beyebye 06:19:56 what was bailey :( 06:19:58 maybe it wasnt baile 06:20:01 wjho knows 06:20:08 maybe monqy?? 06:20:47 fuck 06:20:50 fucking fuck fuck fuck 06:20:55 elliott, you would be free to add a (really messy) underload compiler to the wiki page, right? 06:21:16 just run up to it and kill it 06:21:18 Madoka-Kaname: that stuff generally goes in the file archive but sure (but it should probably go on a user page) 06:21:21 you're way too afraid of lectirc eels 06:21:25 monqy: they hurte!!! 06:21:30 huh 06:21:45 I don't /have/ a user page... 06:21:57 awwww no 06:22:02 Madoka-Kaname: what's your username 06:22:03 just create 06:22:07 User:username/Underload to Scala compiler 06:22:08 or whatever 06:22:11 and link it from the Underload page 06:22:26 oh come on!!! 06:22:38 aaaaah 06:23:32 elliott, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#External_resources 06:23:39 There's only this for links... 06:24:07 ehh, I guess it can count as "external" 06:24:10 but you could just put it in the file archive 06:24:27 monqy: since when are yaks kinda weak 06:24:52 since ghmo 06:25:39 whats ghmo got to do with yake 06:25:40 also 06:25:44 stuff is starting to get scary again :( 06:25:52 elliott, is the file archive up for public uploading? >< 06:26:03 Madoka-Kaname: see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ 06:26:23 aaaaah 06:26:24 bees 06:26:41 fuck 06:26:44 I thought I had poison resistance 06:26:56 you do 06:26:59 oh 06:26:59 ghoul 06:27:08 wow that was easy 06:27:12 ghouls are gr8 06:28:12 uhhhh 06:28:15 thanks, autoexplore 06:29:03 uuugh 06:29:06 fucking cyclos 06:29:09 cyclops 06:29:46 monqy: pickle time 06:29:55 nice 06:30:20 maybe i'll quaff curing and lumber over to the cyclops 06:30:26 elliott: oh no 06:30:27 Can you teleport? 06:30:30 blink? 06:30:37 BLINK! 06:30:38 i can blonk 06:30:41 shachaf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png 06:30:41 what are 06:30:43 cyclopses really scary 06:30:53 Blink behind the oooooo and run away perhaps. 06:30:54 monqy: christ that's beautiful 06:30:56 zomg 06:31:08 elliott: monqy's self portrait of me > your self portrait of me 06:31:10 ion: dumb 06:31:19 i guess ill escape downstairs 06:31:24 elliott: it's even like french and stuff 06:31:29 paraphrasé 06:31:39 and there's a duck thing 06:31:41 and a flower thing 06:32:18 how scary are cyclopses 06:32:35 imagine an ogre that throws rocks which are also ogres 06:32:43 monqy, elliott has been updated 06:33:31 oops 06:33:32 im burden 06:33:42 i guess nothing's likely to pick those up uhhh 06:33:44 can i sort by weight 06:34:05 monqy: do the ogre rocks throw rocks 06:34:07 or ogres 06:34:47 what's uh 06:34:50 what's up with my inventory weight 06:34:53 im not carrying anything super heavy?? 06:35:02 The flesh. 06:35:03 except foode i guess 06:35:08 ill drop sheep 06:35:13 sheeppe 06:35:28 is troll hide good fo ranything 06:35:54 Look at its description. The short answer: probably not. 06:36:04 mmmm 06:36:07 stiff and knobbly 06:36:09 *for anything 06:36:16 I 06:36:16 suppose you could wear it if you really wanted to, although you probably want 06:36:16 to enchant it into proper armour first. 06:36:18 :D 06:36:27 Enchanting it provides some regeneration IIRC. 06:36:45 Perhaps it was at AC+4 or something like that. 06:37:23 what is UP with these branches 06:37:33 you already saw orc 06:37:35 If you’re a lighte armoure guy, it myghte be usefulle. 06:37:39 lair is max depth 13 06:37:39 monqy: huh?? 06:37:43 i did not see orcish mines 06:37:46 elliott: yes you did 06:37:49 elliott: you saw the entry vault 06:37:51 Search for what [Enter for "mines", or ? for help]? orcish mines 06:37:52 _Can't find anything matching that. 06:37:52 elliott: it had an eel 06:37:56 ssh there and hit ^O 06:37:57 elliott: check xmap 06:38:05 And hit ^G now 06:38:07 ion: as I said, asterisk o works 06:38:20 elliott: you didn't see the staircase but you saw the entry vault 06:38:26 monqy: which dlvl? 06:38:27 it'll be on your Xmap 06:38:29 I forget 06:38:38 i dunno how to find it with the Xmap 06:38:40 [ 06:38:47 also did you draw that duck it's beautiful 06:38:50 yes 06:38:54 monqy: i don't know what the entry vault looks like 06:39:13 i used to be better at drawing but i'm so out of practice and my tablet is like weird so the pen thing moves faster horizontally than diagonally 06:39:17 up again 06:39:20 i;ll know what level it is 06:39:21 can you draw me a self-portrait :( 06:39:24 yes 06:39:27 ok prepare for 06:39:29 scrollening 06:39:37 is it this 06:39:38 that one 06:39:38 yes 06:39:42 ok well 06:39:43 level 6 06:39:45 i'll go there after lair 06:39:59 oh this level has a bunch of centaurs 06:40:15 lol 06:40:15 ^ul ^ 06:40:16 ...out of stack! 06:40:22 poor guy 06:40:32 I like shachaf.png. 06:40:42 ion: did you see shachef.png before it 06:40:45 no 06:40:53 shachaf.png > shachef.png 06:41:03 wow i get to choose which armour to curse 06:41:06 uhhh 06:41:11 the splint i guess 06:41:12 "for now" 06:41:14 oh wait 06:41:16 im good enough to use plate now 06:41:17 oh well 06:41:27 wheres shachef.png i don't have it 06:41:28 ion: here: 06:41:34 http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag/shachef.png 06:41:35 ^ul (a)S^ 06:41:35 a ...out of stack! 06:41:49 monqy: you too 06:42:10 Too bad i don’t know the context for shachef, paraphrased. 06:42:16 ^ul (ACTION hugs elliott)S 06:42:16 * fungot hugs elliott 06:42:20 ion: There is no context whatsoever. 06:42:38 shachaf has this logo thing that I crudely attempted to imitate, and someone said paraphrasing shachef or something at one point. 06:43:02 The Bonzi Buddy thing has no context except shachaf or someone mentioned it shortly before I started doing the self-portrait. 06:43:16 bOOZE!!!! 06:43:36 wait, that's a *single* potion of heal wounds? 06:44:41 monqy: i dont want to be diseased 06:44:44 ＢＲＥＡＫＩＮＧ　ＮＥＷＳ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/next-generation-iphone-part-leaks-begin-with-home-buttons/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/01/claimed-iphone-5-sim-card-tray-appears-identical-to-iphone-4s/ 06:45:08 ion: lmao 06:45:09 elliott: ghouls cant 06:45:10 elliott: dont wory 06:45:24 monqy: man ghouls need nerfing or something 06:45:28 they're perfect 06:45:35 ion: ＩＳ　ＴＨＡＴ　ＢＯＬＤ　ＦＵＬＬＷＩＤＴＨ　ＴＥＸＴ？！ 06:45:45 wow 06:45:59 im not used to battles with hill giants not ending with me nearly dead 06:46:00 ＳＨＡＣＨＡＦ：　ＹＥＳ！ 06:46:26 monqy: so this thing is mephitic cloud: the monster 06:46:27 ghouls don't have to worry about meph either 06:46:28 you must love it 06:46:36 yes you can use it to confuse the iguana 06:46:51 poor iguana 06:47:30 uh oh 06:47:35 what could it BE 06:48:15 ion: w°ah 06:48:29 oh is that 06:48:31 that thing 06:48:35 the invisible annoying things 06:49:15 monqy: is it that thing 06:49:41 help 06:50:00 I think it was called an unseen horror. 06:50:14 probably unseen horrore 06:50:35 yes help 06:50:41 im losing hp 06:51:12 ;_; 06:51:25 holy fuck, apple replaces round home button with rounded square 06:51:37 This changes everything. Again. 06:51:49 elliott: chokepoint it or something 06:52:02 i dont think there are any choke points 06:52:12 kmc: Did you see monqy's self-portrait of me? 06:52:17 i could go here but it'd just go around 06:52:20 It was even better than elliott's. 06:52:20 yes 06:52:50 I bet kmc wishes he had a self-portrait drawn by monqy. 06:53:01 im getting a self-portrait drawn by monqy 06:53:07 s/self/nude/ 06:53:09 oh there 06:53:56 yikes 06:54:17 ahahaha 06:54:20 Still **.... :-( 06:54:39 ion: didnt find any curse stuff 06:54:39 uhhh 06:54:42 maybe i should just tab spam these guys 06:54:48 If you think you can melee them, go to the middle quickly. That’ll be better than letting them blast you from the distance. 06:54:59 tab spam wins again 06:55:29 That worked, but you might have done the go-to-the-middle thing to get out of it with even more HP left. :-) 06:55:45 oh bugger 06:55:46 uhhh 06:55:50 do i still have to worry about this guy at xl11 06:56:41 Look at its description with x. I’m not sure how reliable that is, but i noticed it says something how bad the enemy is. 06:56:49 x=v 06:57:52 The “He looks extremely dangerous” part. I have no idea whether your level affects it, though. 06:57:56 07:57 Gastronok (j) | Spd: 5 | Int: normal (starting) | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | Fl: amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: magic(80), drown | Chunks: poison | XP: 2131 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, small mammals, cantrip. 06:57:57 ouch 06:58:03 Also, x=v is nicer than xhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhv 06:58:14 specifically the HP and Dam parts 06:58:30 ill just run to the lair 06:59:06 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:59:15 hastronok probably wouldn't be too tough for your character 06:59:28 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:59:28 ill train up in the lair first 06:59:32 sure fine 06:59:33 uhh when does the lair start getting scary again 06:59:36 7 right 06:59:56 wow 07:00:34 hi may 02 07:00:54 08:00 black mamba[1/3]: Very fast snake that does a lot of damage and can inflict multiple levels of poisoning with one bite. Extremely dangerous, but susceptible to resistible magic, such as wands of paralysis, confusion, slowing, and disintegration. 07:00:55 i like how 07:00:57 "extremely dangerous" 07:00:59 and it shows in yellow 07:01:07 i guess it's less dangerous with rPois though 07:02:26 Maybe I should train something else too. 07:02:46 Nice door. 07:03:41 >100 hp \o/ 07:03:42 | 07:03:42 |\ 07:04:30 Great place to run, griffon. 07:05:52 I guess I don't really need three wands of random effects. 07:06:35 Sigh. 07:06:57 Wow, 90 dam. 07:07:02 Euhhh 07:07:15 Maybe I should run back up and face Gastronok. 07:08:28 monqy: :( 07:08:30 @time monqy 07:08:31 Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 00:08:31 2012 07:08:39 happy 00:08:31 07:11:27 hey 07:11:32 sure 07:11:38 5headed isn't too bad either 07:11:42 if you have gloves you can probably take it 07:11:47 yeah but 07:11:48 oh, ew 07:11:49 that's 90 dam :( 07:11:51 what 07:11:52 no 07:11:56 08:06 hydra (D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 13 | HP: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Fl: amphibious, regen | Res: magic(52), poison, drown | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1215. 07:11:57 each head checks your ac 07:12:01 18*5 = 90 07:12:01 oh 07:12:14 1d18 - 1d19 (factoring in -1 from glov) 07:12:15 i guess the -2 is 07:12:16 problematic 07:12:19 -2 frmo globe 07:12:21 velo 07:12:22 no 07:12:23 +1 -2 07:12:25 = -1 07:12:28 oh 07:12:36 so really you're pretty darn safe vs hydra 07:12:43 ok i take that back 07:12:51 your calculations were in error 07:12:58 ugh, no HW? 07:13:04 blinkk? 07:13:28 ugh can i 07:13:30 look at Xmap while blink 07:14:12 monqy: how fast are hydrae? 07:14:21 normal speed except in water (then they're fast) 07:14:34 do you have any better armour? 07:14:44 i have plate mail 07:14:49 it's only +0 though 07:14:55 if it improves your ac, use it 07:14:57 my splint mail is +4 07:14:59 so 07:15:00 i doubt it would 07:15:03 it may or may not improve your ac 07:15:08 and i'm not going to experiment to find out in these conditions 07:15:12 ok, blonked 07:15:16 well of course not right now 07:15:20 changing armour would be certain death 07:15:26 ok ill 07:15:28 I WAS KILLED BY A HYDRA ONCE* 07:15:28 leg for the < 07:15:34 * MANY TIMES 07:15:38 bother to close door? 07:17:39 monqy: 07:17:47 yes 07:18:25 19/6 07:18:28 oh 07:18:40 monqy: i could remove curse to check if plate mail would help but 07:18:45 ashey 07:19:00 i was waiting until i got enchant armour scrolls to switch 07:19:22 ok 07:19:39 do hydrae heal 07:19:47 quickly, yes 07:19:50 sigh 07:20:01 ill go have fun with thingybob 07:20:19 oh wait 07:20:20 this is lair 07:21:14 08:21 deep elf priest[1/1]: Notable abilities: Can smite, animate dead, die 07:21:17 the die thing makes me think they're 07:21:19 not very stronge??? 07:22:15 08:22 deep elf priest (e) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 5 | HP: 16-30 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 9 | Fl: evil | Res: magic(40) | Vul: holy | Chunks: contam | XP: 136 | Sp: pain (d10), cantrip, minor healing, smiting (7-17), twisted resurrection. 07:22:16 lol 07:23:52 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:24:37 -!- elliott has joined. 07:24:37 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 07:24:37 -!- elliott has joined. 07:24:46 monqy: so uh 07:24:49 any hydrae suggestions 07:24:57 You are not playing in the latest version (33d826f) available! 07:24:57 [T]ransfer your save to the latest version? 07:24:58 aaaaa 07:25:01 what commits happened 07:25:32 dunno 07:25:40 "im updated" 07:25:45 i'll just 07:25:52 hydrae again and hope things don't go as badly as they did 07:26:01 but if they do i'll be fucked 07:27:11 auuugh 07:28:10 monqy: guess what :D :D :D :D :D: D: :D: D: 07:31:00 monqy: :( 07:31:03 ion: monqy isn't guessing 07:31:03 @time ion 07:31:04 Local time for ion is Wed May 2 10:31:04 2012 07:31:52 -!- quintopi1 has changed nick to quintopia. 07:31:55 -!- quintopia has quit (Changing host). 07:31:55 -!- quintopia has joined. 07:32:14 hey 07:32:14 uh 07:32:20 are you dying 07:33:18 yes 07:34:08 help ;_; 07:34:14 the hippgriff is dying quickly so 07:34:18 i MIGHT be able to just whack it but 07:34:23 im scared 07:34:25 oh i do have 3 curing 07:34:28 (really need HW but uh) 07:34:38 ok good 07:35:15 hydrae dealt with 07:37:09 what 07:38:42 regen \o/ 07:38:42 | 07:38:42 /^\ 07:40:15 sjghdfkg 07:40:22 monqy: eight-headed is beyond my abilities right 07:41:44 look behind you 07:41:49 it's a eight-headed hydra 07:42:23 elliott: ...A word starts with a glottal stop iff you use "an" instead of "a" in front of it. 07:42:29 Glad to have clarified it for you! 07:43:18 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 07:43:28 its 07:43:29 beautiful 07:43:37 zomg 07:43:42 i wante one :'( 07:43:46 i just wish that spellingof my name didnt make me crei(briados) :'( 07:43:53 im going to set that as my background 07:45:12 monqy: so uhhh 07:45:15 eight-headed hydra 07:45:17 dangerous 07:45:17 right 07:45:23 not as dangerous 07:45:24 as 07:45:25 if you decide to take it on you'll want to soften it up with wands or something 07:45:29 EIGHT MILLION-headed hydra 07:45:34 i have wandes 07:45:39 do you have greater destruction and some decent invo skill? 07:45:47 greater destruction? i'm ashe 07:45:51 oh 07:45:51 right 07:45:52 ashe 07:45:53 right 07:45:56 wands then 07:45:56 kind of 07:46:01 wish i was makh right now 07:46:03 uhhh ok 07:46:06 ill put on gloves first 07:46:13 hokay 07:46:22 uhhh fire? fireball? flame? confusion? 07:46:30 fire and fireball are probably the best for this guy 07:46:32 not flame 07:46:38 dunno about confusion 07:47:09 that didn't really do anything to it 07:47:13 uhhh there's no point retreating right 07:47:21 what if you dont want to die 07:47:26 i mean 07:47:27 because its fast 07:47:30 and because 07:47:34 the only way out is through it or fungus 07:47:36 its not fast 07:47:42 and that's not the only way out 07:47:49 there's a diagonal slott over there 07:47:55 below the fungu 07:48:00 oh right 07:48:14 just hope it doesn't get a doubel move 07:48:26 and hope you don't do that 07:48:46 what are you doing 07:48:48 blink out 07:48:49 now 07:49:07 im kind of an idiot 07:49:26 uhhh 07:49:30 maybe i should go back to the dungeon 07:49:33 and 07:49:39 not lair yet 07:49:44 maybe 07:50:27 08:50 slime creature[1/4]: An annoying resource drain; they hit hard enough that light-armour users have to worry about them, have reasonably high HP, never leave corpses, come in packs, regenerate, and flee at the slightest provocation. 07:50:28 how annoying 07:50:57 whoah 07:51:05 yeah uh 07:51:07 don't do that 07:51:09 "Try not to let them merge more than once, because the damage only keeps increasing, from 44 for two slimes up to 110 for five slimes." 07:51:10 oh 07:51:14 uhhhh 07:51:15 how fast are they 07:51:19 normal speed 07:51:25 or are they 11 07:51:32 I know ugly things are 11 07:51:33 10 07:51:35 says gretell 07:51:37 10 is normal 07:51:43 very large oh good 07:51:43 close the door on them 07:51:44 can i like 07:51:46 fireball it 07:51:46 monqy: So, gloves help a lot when hitting monsters with your claws? 07:51:46 ok 07:51:55 ion: what? 07:52:05 ion: gloves are for making you not chop hydra heads off 07:52:08 ion: (with your claws) 07:52:16 Ok, good to know. 07:52:19 ive closed the door on it monqy 07:52:20 ion: they negate claw bonus damage though 07:52:25 ok 07:52:28 Right, makes sense. 07:52:41 ill 07:52:42 go upstairs 07:52:49 done 07:52:51 so uhhh 07:52:54 I’ve never fought hydras with ghouls, i didn’t know their claws are badass enough to chop heads off. 07:52:57 there's a very large slime creature down there 07:53:03 maybe a wande will help??? 07:53:20 ion: it's just claws 1, "sharp fingernails", but that's enough to chop them 07:53:21 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:54:01 -!- elliott has joined. 07:54:28 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest12549. 07:54:35 -!- Guest12549 has changed nick to elliott. 07:54:38 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 07:54:38 -!- elliott has joined. 07:54:40 monqy: help :( 07:54:59 help? 07:55:01 wow 07:55:05 elliot's gotten further as a monk than I ever have 07:55:12 (I'm bad at unarmed combat for some reason) 07:55:16 what 07:55:21 unarmed combat is really good 07:55:32 unless it was meganerfed 07:55:44 uc feels really really inaccurate at lower levels 07:55:47 maybe I am doing something wrong 07:55:49 I pump it as fast as I can 07:55:52 does it suck before 27? 07:56:04 uc is bad at the lower levels but really really good at higher levels 07:56:09 that's what I thought 07:56:09 well 07:56:09 Patashu: *elliott 07:56:14 im uc only 16.5 07:56:17 elliotter 07:56:17 but it still feels "pretey goode" 07:56:18 monqy: help as in 07:56:22 there's a very large slime creature > 07:56:26 but i want to explore > 07:56:31 pick another stair case 07:56:31 if you leave its LOS 07:56:32 it splits up 07:56:34 so do that 07:56:34 alternatively do orc 07:56:44 G 07:56:48 elliott: it's on d:6 07:56:50 oh that orc 07:56:50 right 07:56:53 monqy: but i thought lair first 07:56:53 and 07:56:56 in lair i keep dieing 07:57:00 so 07:57:03 "orc maybe not so goode"? 07:57:08 lair is easier than orc 07:57:12 lair first is what you do if it's not ful of things you have problems with 07:57:12 yeah but 07:57:18 Patashu: lair has eight-headed hydrae 07:57:18 so 07:57:19 I mean obviously 07:57:20 if you get a hard lair, orc might be easier 07:57:23 okey 07:57:30 yeah I guess what monqy said 07:57:31 one time I went into lair 07:57:31 and 07:57:35 6 blink frogs were around the staircase 07:57:36 aaaaa 07:57:39 I think I lived but still 07:57:52 maybe i should 07:57:52 but I prefer lair's difficulty spurts to orc's 07:57:53 splint mail 07:57:55 one time I had a lair as a ghoul where all three up staircases on lair:1 were next to a nasty hydra 07:57:56 since orc's has smiting 07:58:03 monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the splint mail 07:58:06 erm 07:58:08 uhhhh 07:58:09 monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the plate armour 07:58:11 dunnnnno 07:58:16 maybe henzel knows 07:58:17 plate will give you more gdr 07:58:22 yeah but 07:58:23 +4 splint mail 07:58:25 +0 plate armour 07:58:26 and 07:58:27 you'll have less AC 07:58:28 but more GDR 07:58:29 i have no enchant armour 07:58:30 (and less EV) 07:58:33 ehhh 07:58:35 doesn't sound worth it yet 07:58:35 btw 07:58:37 -2 pair of gloves? 07:58:40 if i find enchant armour 07:58:42 Patashu: yeah 07:58:43 acquirement 07:58:47 "really gr8" 07:58:47 cool 07:58:55 6 exclusions lmfao 07:58:57 ok lets 07:58:58 wait, you never found orc? 07:58:58 remove those 07:59:01 Patashu: i found orc but 07:59:02 electric eel 07:59:04 and i was scared of it 07:59:07 monqy: should i adjust my skilles maybe 07:59:11 idk 07:59:16 electric elliott 07:59:16 your skills are fine 07:59:19 (maybe more uc less non uc) 07:59:30 i was training armour so that 07:59:34 plate would be super gr8 07:59:43 are you at uc mindelay yet? 07:59:46 iirc it takes forever 07:59:46 and fighting because :hp: 07:59:49 Patashu: probably not 07:59:56 uc mindelay is 27, it used to be 25 but it was nerfed 08:00:00 er 08:00:01 at 27 08:00:04 mindelay is 5 08:00:05 oh 08:00:09 you don't hit mindelay until 27 08:00:14 yeah in that case 08:00:14 I would recommend more mindelay 08:00:16 uc is good to train to 27 anyway 08:00:17 *more uc 08:00:17 since 08:00:24 each skill level gives you more damage etc too 08:00:27 like 08:00:31 it adds 1 to your base damage 08:00:45 or something like that 08:00:53 anyway it's good and you should train it 08:00:57 i am 08:00:58 im just 08:00:59 training armour too 08:01:08 you could defocus it if you wanted uc up faster 08:01:15 i dunno much about armour skille "oops" 08:01:19 well 08:01:20 i just thought 08:01:22 plate is rly heavy and stuff 08:01:23 and 08:01:31 ill have to remove curse to switch to it 08:01:32 so 08:01:37 CDO should let us attach gdb to our game instances so we could fix problems like too low UC level. 08:01:38 since i'm waiting for an enchant armour scroll to make it worth it 08:01:42 yeah having lots of armour skille is good for heavey armours 08:01:46 i might as well train armour a lot so that I don't get EV penalty as much 08:01:48 shrug 08:02:05 eeeellls 08:02:08 armour skill also gives you more ac on heavier armours 08:02:14 imagine if the eels in crawl were like the eels in brogue 08:02:14 D: 08:02:24 non electrice 08:02:26 oh uh 08:02:28 what's with this smoke thing 08:02:28 "no problemo" 08:02:31 smoke? 08:02:32 yeah I guess it would be an improvement actually 08:02:35 also, that's fire 08:02:35 the 08:02:36 fire cloud 08:02:36 don't walk into it 08:02:37 you mean the vault? 08:02:38 stuff 08:02:40 yeah just avoid it 08:02:41 Patashu: it's excluded 08:02:43 what is it tho 08:02:45 fire 08:02:46 *though 08:02:46 burns 08:02:47 yes 08:02:47 thanks 08:02:48 i mean 08:02:49 don't step in it 08:02:50 what's inside it 08:02:52 what is 08:02:53 loot 08:02:54 the construction 08:02:54 you can see it 08:02:56 dude 08:02:58 i 08:03:00 know 08:03:02 it's 08:03:04 fire 08:03:04 haha 08:03:06 armour of fire resistance 08:03:08 what crap 08:03:09 some joke vault 08:03:10 :D 08:03:16 Blink inside at some point when you have extra blink scrolls or cTele. 08:03:25 if it looks like there’s something useful inside. 08:03:29 there isn't 08:03:38 not even cash 08:03:54 what is it with warriors switching weapons 08:03:59 and uhhh 08:03:59 why am i super lagging 08:04:01 you can never have enough blink scrolls 08:04:03 shame on you ion 08:04:05 advocating their waste 08:04:08 20 gold pieces is infinitely more gold pieces than i have. 08:04:28 yikes 08:04:32 you didn't realize the other orc warrior had a glaive? 08:04:35 because he did 08:04:36 oh 08:04:40 whoops 08:04:43 uhhhh 08:04:46 maybe i'm not ready for orcish mines after all :) 08:04:54 more UC required 08:05:00 glaivd 08:05:04 monqy: h 08:05:04 elp 08:05:06 what happened here 08:05:09 "yikes" 08:05:10 orc warriors 08:05:11 the orc warrior has a glaive 08:05:17 Patashu: did you see monqy's self-portrait of shachaf and me 08:05:18 s 08:05:19 no 08:05:20 *portraits 08:05:21 show 08:05:21 Note to self: consider adding “hits you from afar” to force_more_messages 08:05:21 to change the subject 08:05:27 ion: tempting 08:05:28 ion: :D 08:05:37 Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 08:05:44 Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 08:05:46 monqy: fuck you 08:05:51 those are pretty good 08:05:56 i had to look in the logs for those 08:06:07 Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 08:06:12 thanks 08:06:21 monqy: so uhhhhh 08:06:25 what should i do 08:06:31 quaff curing (AGAINE???) 08:06:38 why is there no heal wounds in this fucking dungeon 08:06:38 clearly you need to zerk 08:06:41 Patashu: i dont have zerk 08:06:43 im 08:06:44 that's the joke 08:06:49 laughing 08:06:51 what scrolls do you have? 08:07:12 elliott: double joke: youre ghouel 08:07:24 ok useless shit 08:07:24 well 08:07:27 you're speed 10, they're speed 10 08:07:28 ghowel movement 08:07:30 you're not in danger of dying 08:07:30 thanks 08:07:32 unless you let them hit you 08:07:36 do you like pillar dancing? 08:07:39 no 08:07:40 Patashu: double moves! 08:07:45 monqy: oh noes! 08:07:45 what monqy said 08:07:48 one double move won't kill you 08:07:50 (I think??) 08:07:51 Patashu: energy randomisation "yaey fun" 08:08:09 btw play brogue 08:08:12 no 08:08:13 features: more fun eels 08:08:15 and no energy randomisation 08:08:18 btw play xjump 08:08:18 monqy: do i run to < or do i quaff curinge :/ 08:08:27 run to < would work 08:08:28 btw play monqys roguelike 08:08:28 (IMO) 08:08:31 ion: omg i love xjump 08:08:33 i forget if i had a name for it 08:08:34 well 08:08:34 i fucking hate it 08:08:36 but 08:08:36 i love i t 08:08:38 *it 08:08:43 qrawl 08:08:57 monqy: quaff curing or run to < help 08:09:04 elliott: Try my tile set for it. Debian/Ubuntu? xjump -graphic /usr/share/games/xjump/ion.xpm.gz 08:09:21 ion: Is this just an elaborate way to brag about being a DEBIAN-PUBLISHED ARTIST? 08:09:28 Anyway, no, OS X right now. 08:09:42 http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/ion.xpm.gz 08:10:08 elliott: i;'d run probabley 08:10:25 what if there's eel or w/e 08:10:33 didn't you kill all the eels? 08:10:42 eel solution: fog 08:10:42 btw 08:11:18 it suddenly occurs to me that one of these is gonna follow me up 08:11:19 and kill me 08:11:25 uh 08:11:25 right 08:11:26 also btw: makhleb solution to hydra: hlep from greater servant 08:11:26 the regular orc 08:11:28 who is easy 08:11:34 yeah but im still a scarey 08:11:45 wow such lage 08:11:48 you should be way past the point of normal orcs killing you 08:11:52 i am but 08:11:56 low hp makes me jittery 08:11:56 Patashu: normal orcs with disto! 08:12:03 lol 08:12:08 A crappy video i captured from xjump a few years ago: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/xjump_562.ogv 08:12:12 _The orc sings a few bars from the Orcish anthem. 08:12:13 force_more reasons 08:12:14 WHY DO THEY DO THESE 08:12:29 The orc throws an uncursed orcish dagger. 08:12:32 fml 08:12:32 elliott: the orc jeers, as orcs often do 08:12:40 phew 08:12:47 let's try that again 08:12:58 christ that guy's tough 08:13:09 and wow this lag 08:14:01 monqy: ion: are you lagging of CDO twest 08:14:08 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:14:09 mo 08:14:09 no 08:14:13 rip 08:14:23 uh oh 08:14:26 @ask elliott looks like your connections on the blink 08:14:26 Consider it noted. 08:14:26 orc warrior eel tag team 08:14:28 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:14:44 btw, monqy 08:14:46 I have two brogue wins now 08:14:53 doublegrats 08:14:55 -!- elliott has joined. 08:15:04 uugh 08:15:04 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 08:15:05 this lag 08:15:07 and crap 08:15:15 maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't monkeys or acid lumps 08:15:15 monqy: very funny 08:15:17 one of them was with a... I think war axe, plate and a shitload of useful utility staves like obstruction and tunneling 08:15:20 what do you have against monqys 08:15:26 the other one was with an axe of quietus, plate and 0 staves until depth 19 (and all of them sucked) 08:15:30 elliott: i almost typoed monkeys as monqys 08:15:37 elliott: then i fixed it 08:15:37 eel time 08:15:41 also, both of the two things youm entioend are easy 08:15:43 what 08:15:45 are those two guys doing 08:15:48 try this: maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't vampire bats on d:2 08:15:54 holy shit 08:15:56 Patashu: easy but awful 08:15:58 ahahahaha 08:16:02 wtf is that shit 08:16:03 Patashu: vampire bats on d:2 are annoying tooo 08:16:06 eel priest tagteam 08:16:09 monqy: help 08:16:25 I think you'll get out of LOS quickest if you run to the stairs 08:16:29 elliott: get to the wall to heal, then kill the eel if you want, then confuse the orc if you want 08:16:37 by wall do you mean stairs 08:16:41 yeah 08:16:50 ez 08:17:05 meanie 08:17:14 hehe 08:17:21 elliott: Do you get a huge adrenaline rush when approaching a high score in xjump? 08:17:28 ion: i don't really approach high scores in xjump 08:17:30 i just slip and die 08:17:36 its like the platforms are made out of butter 08:17:36 a personal high score 08:17:40 yeah 08:17:42 i dont get those either 08:17:48 WHAT IS THIS EEL MADE OF 08:17:49 I used to play icy tower, which sounds like what xjump is 08:17:52 I never got really far on it 08:17:57 but I always marveled at the replays of ppl who did 08:17:58 Things stay "almost dead" in Crawl for about 100 turns. 08:18:21 vision of a gate? 08:18:38 check your map 08:18:50 hmm 08:18:54 so there's a portal of some kind on this level? 08:18:58 scroll it around 08:19:08 I thought you only got that message when ash mapped it 08:19:15 there 08:19:19 looks portally 08:19:22 it's a thing alright 08:19:22 what could it be i wonder 08:19:32 might be ice cave, volcano or a shop 08:20:02 wow these priests cut into my hp a lot for some reason 08:20:09 ot 08:20:13 what 08:20:15 smites cut through ac 08:20:16 sorry 08:20:18 yeah 08:20:20 smites are annoying 08:20:21 and it's random if they decide to smite or not 08:20:23 is there anything i can do about them 08:20:24 so one priest will be like 08:20:25 yawn 08:20:26 another will be like 08:20:29 17 17 17 17 08:20:30 and not really 08:20:33 aside from killing them faster 08:20:55 uhhh monqy probably isn't happy with what i'm doing 08:21:03 this is a weird fuckin channel 08:21:03 monqy: have you ever considerede 08:21:12 a self portraite of . . . 08:21:12 you've said\ 08:21:15 s/\\$// 08:21:25 YOURSELF ? ? ? 08:21:32 maybe tomorrow 08:21:34 TWIST 08:21:35 shachaf: did you learn any crazy unix or x86 today 08:21:39 that you could tell me about 08:21:42 im tired and still have to read all of this stuff i should have read hours ago 08:21:46 butdddidint 08:22:08 monqy: maybe tomorrow what 08:22:16 oh 08:22:16 kmc: I learned that Microsoft abuses bits that don't belong to them. 08:22:20 Does that count? 08:22:26 self portrote (of self) 08:22:44 Something to do with the iret state. 08:22:45 which bits? 08:22:51 hmm 08:23:02 which bits of 08:23:18 Apparently there are 64-or-something bits of flags that go on the stack and/or in a register that iret uses or something? 08:23:24 And some of them are reserved. 08:23:27 But Microsoft uses them anyway. 08:23:38 iret will restore EFLAGS or RFLAGS from the stack 08:23:51 is that what you mean? 08:23:59 monqy: i guess i have to find another upstairs to find that portal? 08:24:00 Looks like it. 08:24:04 from a level below 08:24:05 hardware stacks are distasteful 08:24:09 that or diggging 08:24:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAGS_register_(computing) 08:24:27 ive never done digging 08:24:27 is it hard 08:24:29 Yes, look at all those reserved bits. 08:24:39 -_- 08:24:44 "(computing)" meaning "(x86)" 08:24:54 and what does Windows use it for? 08:25:01 monqy: how do i dige 08:25:05 wand of dige 08:25:12 i knew that much 08:25:21 I don't know. 08:25:23 should i step back from wall 08:25:25 or go right next to it 08:25:28 right next to it 08:25:41 use shift-j 08:25:49 thankse 08:25:52 shachaf: how is it that gin tastes terrible, and tonic water tastes terrible, but gin & tonic is delicious? 08:25:56 sweet 08:26:02 aha 08:26:04 kmc: I don't think I've ever had either. 08:26:06 it's a volcanop 08:26:08 Which one should I try first? 08:26:16 well, they're both terrible, so... 08:26:21 Ooh, a version with smooth scrolling. http://gnujump.es.gnu.org/index.php/Main_Page 08:26:28 i think modern tonic water is not too bad 08:26:31 ion: that one REALLY REALLY sucks 08:26:33 it's buggy as hell 08:26:34 iirc 08:26:36 It feels quite decent if you turn the turbl trails and blur off. 08:26:41 or maybe i just got unlucky 08:26:49 Patashu: should i volcano 08:26:50 i've never volcanoes 08:26:52 *volcanoed 08:26:53 drop your scrolls 08:26:54 Seems to work on my system at the moment. 08:26:55 how hard is it 08:26:56 the original idea was to mask the taste of antimalarial quinine in tonic water, by adding gin 08:27:01 fiery 08:27:02 so drop your scrolls 08:27:03 which should give you an idea how fucking terrible tonic water is 08:27:17 though, maybe it's less "mask the taste" and more "if this is the only booze we give the troops, they'll drink it" 08:27:17 Patashu: that's not helpful 08:27:22 well 08:27:25 you're dropped right next to the exit 08:27:30 so you can leave if it's hard for some reason 08:27:30 also 08:27:32 volcanos might erupt 08:27:36 but there'll be places to go for shelter 08:27:48 antimalarial quine 08:27:48 i mean 08:27:52 how scary is the stuff inside 08:28:03 you'll be fine 08:28:07 haha what a terrible place for edmund to turn up 08:28:09 like 08:28:14 bit late to the party 08:28:22 edmund is always fashionably late 08:28:31 _Your scroll of teleportation catches fire! 08:28:34 grrrrr 08:28:37 i want the thing that protects you from that crap 08:28:46 hey, i can see invis now 08:30:08 ellie: Wow, you already have ***... 08:30:11 monqy: should i volcanoe 08:30:19 ion: Eh? I've been with ashey for ages. 08:30:29 That was the point. :-P 08:30:31 -!- itidus20 has joined. 08:30:35 :( 08:30:36 Moar cursed stuff! 08:30:40 -!- itidus21 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:30:41 Ihave cursed stuff! 08:30:43 *I have 08:30:46 See the god screen. 08:30:52 ^ or something 08:31:07 elliott: volcano 08:31:15 "Your claws are not bound." Uhh... 08:31:18 yeah 08:31:19 monqy: Yes, I know. Should I it? 08:31:20 obviously don't bind those 08:31:22 but you can bind the rest 08:31:23 elliott: yes 08:31:28 monqy: Okay. (Why?) 08:31:37 sometimes it's freee loot 08:31:40 other times it's less free 08:31:42 but still loot 08:31:54 other times you want to get out but you can get out so it's all good 08:32:06 Really drop all my scrolls? 08:32:13 they'll burn 08:32:14 Oh, I don't have any of use. 08:32:24 Will potions burn? :P 08:32:27 no 08:32:30 rF++++++ might be useful judging from the name. 08:32:35 potions prefer freeszing 08:32:36 ion: wat 08:32:38 rF+ is enough 08:32:40 Cold destroys potions, fire destroys scrolles. 08:32:50 elliott: volcano is where you find plate of rF 08:32:54 I have ring of protection from fire 08:32:56 so 08:32:59 and also ring of ice 08:33:00 btw, if you have gourmand 08:33:02 Sounds okay 08:33:04 you don't need to wait for chunks to rot 08:33:05 elliott: ooh or cpm of rF!!! 08:33:06 maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano? 08:33:08 er 08:33:08 cpa 08:33:12 cpa of rF 08:33:13 Patashu: I know. 08:33:16 monqy: maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano? 08:33:20 what 08:33:21 ice? 08:33:22 For more rF. 08:33:23 ice makes you rF- 08:33:25 Oh, wait. 08:33:26 not rF+ 08:33:27 Wrong way around. 08:33:31 Good thing I didn't do that! 08:33:37 doooo it 08:33:41 Thanks, autoexplore. 08:33:42 oh 08:33:42 this one 08:33:48 in this one the volcano erupts periodically 08:33:49 Patashu: Does that mean run? 08:33:51 :( 08:33:52 when it does ge tto a hut and close the door 08:33:53 thautoexplore 08:33:59 you have rF+ so you should be fine 08:33:59 Fuck that. That sounds waful. 08:34:02 *awful. 08:34:08 the damage is pretty low if you have rF+ 08:34:11 If it erupts, I die, right? 08:34:16 no 08:34:20 it just spawns fire clouds randomly 08:34:27 So, uh, is autoexplore safe? 08:34:37 I forget so I'd manualexplore 08:35:32 whee 08:35:32 haha 08:35:36 see it's like 08:35:36 0 damage 08:35:53 http://lymia.x10.bz/?a=contentpage&p=ulc < wee~ 08:36:02 Now to be lazy and email the esoteric archive tomorrow. 08:36:05 loot 08:36:16 Close the doore 08:36:17 Madoka-Kaname: You can just add that to the external links section as-is. 08:36:25 ion: Bit late. 08:36:56 lol 08:37:06 rF+ reasons 08:37:16 ac helps too 08:37:17 This must be one magical fucking ring to be makingt his harmless. 08:37:20 it does? 08:37:21 neat 08:37:22 not that your ac is particularly excellent but 08:37:27 Well, not *harmless*. 08:37:30 But it's not hruting much. 08:37:31 *making this 08:38:04 What, is that it? 08:38:08 yes 08:38:08 is there anything on the other side of watter 08:38:15 that's not water 08:38:20 it isn't? 08:38:21 that is Deudly Lava 08:38:24 on the bottom 08:38:28 oh wow 08:38:28 It's deep water. 08:38:33 but no 08:38:37 I don't think there's anything past that 08:38:38 have potions of levitation? 08:38:44 one 08:38:45 lol 08:38:45 Yes, technically. 08:38:46 don't drown 08:38:51 I'm not going to go there. 08:38:53 It's obviously a circular map. 08:38:55 look at the vault 08:39:03 What of it? 08:39:06 I took everything that looked useful. 08:39:06 it'll say 08:39:10 Good ideas #497: drink a potion of levitation and explore the vast area of deep water. 08:39:11 Authoratatively 08:39:13 It was mostly just lower-class armour with fire. 08:39:16 monqy: What vault? 08:39:21 the volcano map 08:39:25 this whole vault 08:39:30 the one you're in 08:39:38 Look at it how? 08:39:50 fine i'lll look at it 08:40:04 I honestly didn't know what you meant. 08:40:09 http://www.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des 08:40:12 is what monqy means 08:40:20 ok there's nothing on the other side 08:40:23 That's so cheating. 08:40:52 so as ash can you like 08:40:57 turn remove curse into curse armor/jewellery 08:41:00 Yes. 08:41:20 Orcs, more like tab tab tab tab tab tab. 08:41:41 tab the orcs 08:41:43 torcs 08:42:05 torques 08:42:27 :( 08:42:31 ogre + orc warrior 08:42:32 :D 08:42:32 Orcs, more like tab tab tab die. 08:42:54 you can step downright and find a choke 08:42:58 yes 08:43:04 with 41 hp? ok 08:43:11 -!- shubshub has joined. 08:43:12 the warrior and ogre are melee only 08:43:19 and neither have polearm 08:43:23 no chokes :( 08:43:24 -!- shubshub has quit (Client Quit). 08:43:25 there's choke everywhere 08:43:27 but there's some semichokes i guess 08:43:28 yup 08:43:28 pick one 08:44:01 ha 08:44:04 ha 08:44:15 why aren't you damaging that ogr 08:44:16 monqy: I told you my continuing fear of ogres was justified. 08:44:25 That's a good question. 08:44:30 I have no idea. 08:44:31 wow 08:44:32 look at all those wands 08:44:34 also why is your ac so low (when does ac start going up?) 08:44:49 How about curing + might? 08:45:00 Patashu: Yeah, I should really start using those more. 08:45:57 You mangle the ogre!! 08:46:29 Oops. 08:46:32 This is the end level, isn't it. 08:46:34 The scary one. 08:46:40 depends what's on it 08:46:40 it's only scary sometimes 08:47:19 i dunno what was with that other ogre 08:47:24 it thought it was a hill giant 08:47:59 mm 08:48:01 centaurs 08:48:01 monqy: it's scary this time 08:48:18 i guess i could ~mighte~ but 08:48:21 but? 08:48:27 it's not like you're going to ever use all those potions of might 08:48:29 may as well 08:48:35 Point. 08:48:48 ooh the crossbows ending? 08:48:51 niiiiiiiiiiiiice 08:48:58 Is the worst yet to come? 08:48:58 what does that mean 08:49:07 oh 08:49:07 crossbows ending is the 08:49:08 well 08:49:09 crossbows 08:49:13 i'll just let you see for yourself 08:49:17 no i don't like the 08:49:19 seeing for myself part 08:49:21 am i gonna die :( 08:49:29 well i didn't die when i did it 08:49:35 ok they have crossbows 08:49:38 should i 08:49:39 but it was an 08:49:40 wand them? 08:49:41 experience 08:50:08 is the thing basically 08:50:12 orc warriors with crossbows firing annoying crap 08:50:50 monqy: :( 08:51:20 also 08:51:25 how many firings do wands last 08:51:30 depends on the wand 08:51:34 you don't have to wand yet 08:52:02 but don't just stand in front of them and let them shoot at you either 08:52:34 lol im fucked 08:52:52 uhhh 08:52:58 also 08:53:01 how many of these guys are there 08:53:10 forget 08:53:44 haha 08:53:44 yes 08:53:46 thanks toadstool 08:53:54 sick toadstool strategy 08:54:14 haha 08:54:16 toadstool chokepoints 08:54:17 I love it 08:54:28 centaur 08:54:29 im so fucking dead 08:54:32 why 08:54:34 it's like 08:54:35 one tile away 08:54:37 48 hp 08:54:40 and 08:54:43 i have to manouvre around toget to it 08:54:45 which puts me in firing range of 08:54:48 all the shit up there 08:55:07 what's on the other side of the wall 08:55:10 do you have scrying 08:55:10 so? 08:55:11 can it shoot you 08:55:15 monqy: i have ashe 08:55:17 i can see 08:55:17 {s 08:55:18 and 08:55:19 triangles 08:55:21 and shit 08:55:22 i know 08:55:22 but 08:55:25 do you have scrying yet 08:55:29 i dont know what that is :( 08:55:33 Patashu: no, but it can hit through the fungus in one turn 08:55:36 check 'a' screen 08:55:38 err 08:55:40 toadstool 08:55:45 ok no scrying 08:55:48 monqy: im not so good with piety 08:55:52 so i see 08:56:33 well whatever you do don't charge up into the palce where everyone will shoot at you 08:56:46 wait 08:56:50 do centaurs not know how to kill toadstools 08:56:55 fucking lmao 08:57:07 oh 08:57:09 aha 08:57:12 did the toadstool die 08:57:14 yes 08:57:27 why are you resting so close to the place anyway 08:57:32 why not give yourself more cover 08:57:35 to heal quickly you should eat corpses 08:57:38 if there are any left 08:57:51 oh cool 08:57:53 eating as a ghoul restores hp 08:58:01 Patashu: never played ghouls? 08:58:05 nope 08:58:08 haven't played most races still 08:58:22 What game are you talking abot? 08:58:23 about* 08:58:31 dungeon crawl stone soup 08:58:40 is that it 08:58:42 hmm 08:59:15 lol 08:59:17 note to self glaive 08:59:51 sure 08:59:51 euhhh 08:59:52 walk towards everything 08:59:58 how long would it take me to retreat 08:59:58 :D 09:00:05 I'd retreat 09:00:08 four orc warriors at once = bleugh 09:00:13 and looks like there's more shit behind it 09:00:24 you have digging charges right? 09:00:25 retreat or greater servant 09:00:27 why not zap digging downwards and hide 09:00:45 why not zap digging upwards, yum 09:00:52 its 09:00:53 orcish:4 09:00:56 what's below orcish:4 09:00:58 monqy: greater servant 09:00:59 dude 09:01:01 IM ASHE 09:01:03 by downwards I mean 09:01:03 south 09:01:13 Patashu: dude 09:01:14 this isn't nethack 09:01:16 Patashu: it's stone 09:01:19 it is? 09:01:21 how do you tell 09:01:23 i thought you were making a nethack joke 09:01:25 the colour man 09:01:28 oh 09:01:42 would fireball help 09:01:48 or uh 09:01:49 running 09:01:56 what about levitation 09:01:59 could i levitate over the walls 09:03:06 :( 09:03:40 monqy: :'( 09:03:43 why can't you run, again? 09:03:47 uhhh 09:03:49 because that's a lot of steps 09:03:50 you can't leve over walls 09:03:52 and they have ranged weapons 09:03:59 i mean i could 09:04:01 lev would only help with that wayer 09:04:01 that was one of my options 09:04:08 alright, retreat to deep water? 09:04:10 you'd be able to cut a corner 09:04:12 sure 09:04:15 then lev over the water? ok 09:04:25 then of course get off of the dep water 09:04:29 so you don't drown 09:04:35 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:05:00 what a mess 09:05:22 lmao 09:05:23 thanks orc 09:06:51 success 09:07:00 eh 09:07:03 i think i'll buy the two heal wounds 09:07:04 because 09:07:08 i never find any 09:07:10 hela wounds is good to buy 09:07:13 speed isn't bad to buy either 09:07:15 hella wounds 09:07:47 Patashu: the speed's a bit pricey 09:08:00 see what's in the other stores, then 09:08:29 f - the cursed -2,-3 mace "Othri" {slay orc, rC+ rN+ Int+1} 243 gold 09:08:32 cursed -2,-3 mace? 09:08:33 tell me more 09:08:39 243 gold 09:08:41 clearly a bargain 09:08:54 could do with tele 09:09:24 the grimoire of the rocks and good luck 09:09:27 what kind of a title is that 09:09:36 grim. 09:09:48 suits me 09:09:49 elliott: see {good names[14]} 09:10:05 10:09 good names[14/18]: Sif Muna's Arcane Secrets of Secret Knowledge {god gift} 09:10:05 :D 09:10:08 then again it's good luck 09:10:27 so contradiction in my interpretation 09:10:33 no autoexplore no 09:10:46 there was also a book of Burning Companions or somethingoroher but it got deleted :( 09:10:57 woop woop 09:11:04 ahhh, warlorde 09:11:07 i really need a 09:11:10 wand of huge explosion 09:11:13 for situations like this 09:11:14 makhleb 09:11:17 :( 09:11:17 i read that book. 09:11:20 can i convert 09:11:22 what's ashey's wrath like 09:11:24 oh 09:11:25 an orc warlord 09:11:25 dunno 09:11:27 don't fight it 09:11:33 just leave orc and go do lair 09:11:38 Patashu: hydrae 09:11:44 ok uhhh 09:11:44 orc warlords are harder 09:11:47 leaving sounds difficult 09:11:49 elliott: just let this be a learning experience 09:12:00 monqy: are you saying "just be ok with dyin" 09:12:01 *dying 09:12:06 don't die 09:12:09 don't fight it 09:12:12 speed might be useful 09:12:15 run away 09:12:16 to 09:12:18 get away 09:12:29 you'll only have to worry about the warg 09:12:32 and they're weak anyway right 09:12:52 frenzied eh 09:13:03 warlords do that 09:13:05 dunno what it means 09:13:50 wait 09:13:53 ugh 09:13:56 that was the wrong downstair 09:14:17 i have tele 09:14:22 or are orc warlords too hard for that 09:14:33 elliott: bend space 09:14:37 lol 09:14:39 I CAN'T BEND SPACE 09:14:41 FUCK YOU 09:14:43 :D 09:14:51 ashe reasons: you want to die 09:14:56 im helping u appreciate the gods you aren't with 09:15:07 slouch slouch slouche step from time uhhh 09:15:08 can i confuse the warlord maybe?? 09:15:09 and then 09:15:11 run?? 09:15:15 warlorde doesnt like being confused 09:15:18 here's a tip 09:15:19 why not step 09:15:21 awauy from the warlord 09:15:23 10:15 orc warlord (o) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 15 | HP: 88-141 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | Res: magic(60) | Chunks: contam | XP: 2257. 09:15:25 then read tele or whatever you were going to do 09:15:25 dam 32? 09:15:27 that's not 09:15:27 so bad 09:15:29 the hp is though 09:15:35 i mean that's less than the hydrae were doing 09:15:36 it also has a wepon 09:15:38 oh 09:15:45 and it's not spread out over multiple hits 09:15:45 and it's 32 dam in one attack 09:15:47 so it pierces ac well 09:15:48 Patashu: there's not really an "away" 09:15:51 sure there is 09:15:54 step south twice 09:16:03 now you're only slightly mauled 09:16:11 uhuhhh 09:16:12 wow 09:16:13 what are you doing ? 09:16:18 trying to 09:16:20 get to the upstair 09:16:22 badly 09:16:26 m hm 09:16:29 heal 09:16:30 wounds?? 09:16:32 sure 09:16:44 haha jesus 09:16:45 nice hp 09:16:52 so 09:16:53 how do you like orc 09:17:04 maybe you can handle a hydra now 09:17:15 i think im going to 09:17:16 switch to plate 09:17:19 even if ashe will be sad 09:17:23 AC 21, EV 7 09:17:40 why did you uncurse the helmet too 09:17:41 lol 09:17:44 Patashu: didn't have a choice 09:17:46 i think 09:17:47 yes you do 09:17:48 hit escape 09:17:49 oh 09:17:51 "oh well" 09:17:54 why do you think the scrolls ask you under ash 09:18:28 oh uh 09:18:33 monqy: i was gonna do lair right 09:18:39 you were going to plate 09:18:42 i did 09:18:45 oh 09:18:45 it decreased my AC by one 09:18:48 and my EV by one 09:18:50 yaey 09:18:55 i gotta enchant it 09:19:02 nah just get a better plat 09:19:04 or better yet 09:19:07 gda 09:19:21 or cpa 09:19:39 well 09:19:43 where do i get those 09:20:05 goldon draggins and floor, respectively 09:20:16 alternatively: acquirement, possibly from xom/oka/geneicard 09:20:23 anyway 09:20:23 I'm going to make an unrandart armour with 53 base AC 09:20:25 lair before D:13? 09:20:26 but it slows and +muts you 09:20:27 or something 09:20:46 armour where you can't take any damage but you die immediately 09:20:47 Patashu: ghoul of chei "unstoppable wrecking machine" 09:20:58 elliott: well some things pierce gda 09:21:00 *gdr 09:21:09 so it'd be funny when you suddenly got murdered by hellfire or af_cold or whatever it was 09:21:33 ok now im actually laughing in real life at monqy's chei jokes 09:21:35 what have i become 09:22:02 don't stop now 09:22:05 there are crawls to be crawled 09:22:06 i guess ill D:13 09:22:07 and then lair 09:22:46 ooo, a hydra 09:22:46 :D 09:22:48 HYDRAE 09:22:48 EVERYWHERE 09:22:50 also 09:22:52 why are hill giants yellow 09:22:57 i'm still fucking scared of hill giants 09:23:04 optimal danger calculation algorithm 09:23:05 hill giants probably aren't so bad by now 09:23:34 btw 09:23:35 hydras 09:23:35 hydrae otoh 09:23:36 cannot open doors 09:23:40 seriously? 09:23:45 hill giants can 09:23:50 Patashu: ("hydras" honestly) 09:23:52 hydra (D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 13 | HP: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Fl: amphibious, regen | Res: magic(52), poison, drown | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1215. 09:23:53 so can centaurs 09:23:56 insect intelligence 09:23:57 but not worker ants 09:23:58 just fyi 09:24:19 Patashu: iknow 09:24:22 *i know 09:24:24 oh wait 09:24:27 there's a centaur too 09:24:31 wow it's a party of monsters i hate 09:24:34 plus a worker ant 09:24:47 duck behind the corner 09:24:58 yat 09:25:00 lol 09:25:03 situation diffused 09:25:04 excellent 09:25:06 by a dour 09:25:11 yaey, dour 09:25:19 i'll just 09:25:20 keep exploring then 09:25:26 btw, brogue's doors are better than crawl's doors 09:25:29 oh wait 09:25:29 i bet 09:25:31 if i press o 09:25:32 you can use them to own the shit out of brogue centaurs, pixies, etc 09:25:32 autoexplore into dour, a party in a dour 09:25:33 yes 09:25:34 i'll walk up to that door and open it 09:25:40 yes 09:25:41 uhh 09:25:42 exclusion zones 09:25:42 make an exclusion 09:25:44 yes 09:25:57 good 09:26:24 ugh pack is full 09:26:36 you're never going to use those 12 arrows of dispersal 09:26:37 for a start 09:26:40 will anything pick up those arrows of dispersal 09:26:43 that's the only reason i have them 09:26:46 so other things don't 09:26:50 i had a "bad experience" 09:26:54 lol 09:27:03 you should drop them on some level you've already cleared then 09:27:04 or in like 09:27:05 temple/lair 09:27:07 anyway 09:27:12 also, drop scrolls of enchant weapon 09:27:15 you can't enchant your hands 09:27:16 yeah i was going to 09:27:43 you're not very bound 09:27:47 probably explains the low piett 09:27:49 i guess i can drop this 5-zaps wand of consuion 09:27:51 monqy: i KNOW 09:27:55 i don't have anything to do the binding with ok 09:29:10 great, that dragon burns scrolls 09:29:12 uhhh 09:29:15 if i drop them will they be ok 09:29:43 yes 09:30:05 it only burns scrolls in your inventory 09:30:07 because physics 09:30:10 (brogue is far more realistic) 09:30:22 im glow 09:30:22 and also 09:30:24 liquid flame 09:30:25 *flam 09:30:27 brogue is the other way around isn't it 09:30:32 burns floor but not inventory 09:30:33 You are covered in liquid flames! 09:30:33 Your scroll of detect curse catches fire! 09:30:33 One of your 2 scrolls of amnesia catches fire! 09:30:35 hmm 09:30:35 uhhh 09:30:36 I think so yeah 09:30:38 ???? 09:30:46 lol 09:30:50 no 09:30:52 don't stop dropping stuff!! 09:30:53 it takes multiple turns to drop multiple things 09:30:55 how do i force it to drop stuff 09:30:55 lol 09:31:01 it takes 1 turn per stack 09:31:02 no matter what 09:31:09 Patashu: best thing in brogue: monkey steals scroll, incendiary dart monkey, monkey dies, scroll burns 09:31:13 so you should start with stuff you value most 09:31:20 monqy: that happened to me once except with staff of firebolt 09:31:28 ah yes those too 09:31:47 I always forget not to burn monkeys before making sure they didn't steal a scroll 09:32:19 ugh 09:32:22 how do i get more carrying capacity 09:32:35 drop shit you're never going to use 09:32:36 more str 09:32:56 Patashu: packrat 09:33:19 ahhh, we meet again 09:33:29 packrat == "I don't know how valuable any of this is so I'm going to keep ALL OF IT" 09:33:30 im gonna 09:33:33 melee the hydra 09:33:37 yell at me if it's a terrible idea monqy 09:33:37 cool 09:33:38 have fun 09:33:38 you;ll want 27 str for gda, or what is it 24str for cpa? 09:33:42 uhh what are you doing 09:33:44 24 for cpa yes 09:33:46 there's 09:33:46 what hydra is this 09:33:47 hydra 09:33:49 the 09:33:50 ah, 6header 09:33:50 6 head one 09:33:54 soften it up with wands first, at least 09:33:59 and put on your gloves etc etc 09:34:04 oh wait they can't open doors 09:34:05 uhhh 09:34:18 monqy i 09:34:20 uhh 09:34:21 can't really soften it up 09:34:22 what did you do 09:34:24 well 09:34:25 see 09:34:26 lol 09:34:28 it was packed behind a door 09:34:29 with a worker ant 09:34:31 so i opened the door 09:34:33 killed the ant and uhhh 09:34:39 did you 09:34:42 elliott: Did you ever figure out cofree? 09:34:42 put your gloves on 09:34:45 no 09:34:50 don't hit the hydra 09:34:58 i wasn't going to 09:34:58 it'll grow more heads 09:35:02 i know 09:35:08 monqy: can i hit the hydra 09:35:12 shachaf: yes 09:35:18 will it grow 09:35:21 mayb 09:35:33 monqy: ok how about i 09:35:34 monqy: you mean 'maybe'. learne to spelle 09:35:35 put on my gloves 09:35:39 and then uhhhh 09:35:41 hit it 09:35:43 with my gloves 09:35:45 until it dies 09:35:50 it took me years to develop this plan 09:36:12 elliott: have fun if it fails 09:36:20 so far so good 09:36:28 viktore 09:36:29 brave 09:36:33 brave, stupid 09:36:35 little difference 09:36:36 yes 09:36:41 hi, hill giant 09:36:45 wow 09:36:47 s/ $// 09:36:51 i feel strong 09:37:00 oh no 09:37:00 elliott: WAS THERE A SPACE AT THE END OF YOUR SENTENCE 09:37:03 i've learned my lessons you bastards 09:37:05 I can't tell. :-( 09:37:11 don't let them merge and don't let them surround you 09:37:16 how do i stop them merging 09:37:23 don't let them touch each other 09:37:26 oops 09:37:29 monqy: I think those are mutually exclusie 09:37:57 anyway 09:38:04 in my experience they only merge if they want to get closer to you but can't 09:38:11 so it's better to get surrounded by them 09:38:27 getting surrounded lets ac apply more 09:38:33 yeah 09:38:44 hey 09:38:47 it's like you're in the lair already 09:38:49 large slime creatures aren't so bad, but watch out for titanics 09:38:49 :') 09:38:50 :D 09:38:52 hydras, hippogriffs and frogs 09:38:59 they just want to make me feel at home 09:39:03 I died by tabbing a titanic once 09:39:05 ok i gotta know 09:39:08 how come 09:39:15 my high score is 09:39:17 08:03 146. elliott the Impaler (L15 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Aizul (poison arrow) on D:17 on 2012-04-26, with 84580 points after 43254 turns and 3:34:58. 09:39:18 look at the turn count 09:39:24 and look at the turn count on my game 09:39:30 what about it 09:39:31 howe do you figure out your highe score 09:39:32 well 09:39:41 what kind of fast turn frenzy happened in my highscore game 09:39:47 also how can i see my score or can't I 09:40:17 @ ? 09:40:20 % ? 09:40:25 Something like that. 09:40:28 did you do orc in that dsak game 09:40:38 you have scorede 0 out of a hundrede possible points 09:40:43 idk 09:40:43 you have reached the rank of Novice 09:40:44 i don't think so 09:40:47 oh wait 09:40:49 maybe i did and it was that 09:40:51 fun time 09:40:52 with the 09:40:53 banishing 09:40:55 yeah it was 09:41:49 wh 09:42:40 spider spider 09:42:45 oh no 09:42:46 i said i'd 09:42:47 go 09:42:47 didn't i 09:42:53 spider is fun 09:42:53 because 09:42:55 you have rpois 09:43:10 the thing about spider is 09:43:13 eeeverything is faster than you 09:43:19 so you want to kite back as much as opssible 09:43:40 orb spiders, Patashu 09:43:42 is spider harder than orc 09:43:52 demonic crawlers too uhh 09:44:03 elliott: why not try it and see!! 09:44:05 no 09:44:06 i don't want to die 09:44:09 do all of lair 09:44:10 spider spider 09:44:11 before thinking about runes 09:44:12 i'm super-invested in this character 09:44:13 spider spider spider 09:44:16 oh it has a rune??? 09:44:18 yes 09:44:21 does that mean it gets me closer to winning 09:44:23 yes 09:44:26 ok but yeah i'm gonna do lair first sorry 09:44:29 ok 09:44:34 elliott, you got a Rune/ 09:44:36 you'll want to do spider eventually 09:44:37 no 09:44:39 You need 3 runes 09:44:42 i know 09:44:43 it's just a matter of when 09:44:59 some people save getting runes until right before zot but 09:45:02 imo that's boring 09:45:08 runes do absolutely nothing for you 09:45:11 until you're ready to win 09:45:12 so 09:45:14 but 09:45:26 diving rune branches right before winning is: boring 09:45:27 whereas: 09:45:33 doing them early is: fun 09:45:38 if you hate being bored, do branchless 09:45:39 fun fun fun 09:45:44 ha-ha 09:45:50 i tried that once 09:45:56 had hunger problems, rip 09:46:04 as a branchless character 09:46:05 let loose the dogs of etc. 09:46:06 do you go for hell or pan runes 09:46:10 they both sound hard 09:46:19 maybe pan, and use cblink/ctele? 09:46:21 oh *let slip 09:47:02 ohhh boy 09:47:06 ohhhhhhh boy 09:47:11 haha 09:47:12 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy 09:47:13 oh? 09:47:16 blink frogs 09:47:18 oh. 09:47:19 get to a chokepoint? 09:47:22 that is not a chokepoint 09:47:24 that is 09:47:26 it's a 09:47:26 thx 09:47:28 pseudo chokepoint 09:47:32 it's choker than that 09:47:34 wtf 09:47:35 wow what are you doing 09:47:37 choke 09:47:41 ok 09:47:42 the one you were in was ok 09:47:43 but 09:47:44 ok 09:47:45 it was 09:47:48 better than this 09:47:48 sorry i'm not very good at this game 09:47:51 np 09:47:57 so long as you don't die 09:48:04 or if you do die and learn from this 09:48:05 anything can happen 09:48:23 i'm done with the whole 09:48:25 dying and learning from it thing 09:48:33 i want to wiiin 09:48:50 this character will live forever! 09:50:34 ahh, death yaks. 09:50:42 SURE WOULD BE NICE IF I WAS WITH A GOD THAT GAVE ME USEFUL SHIT FOR FIGHTING RIGHT NOW 09:50:59 monqy: can i take one down in melee, i forget 09:51:06 you can 09:51:06 10:50 death yak (Y) | Spd: 10 | Int: animal | HD: 14 | HP: 57-95 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: magic(93) | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1059. 09:51:08 that doesn't look so bad 09:51:34 why do death yaks have such high MR 09:51:38 death 09:51:49 design goals for death yaks: kill 09:51:54 elliott: apparently ashe wrath ends after you gain 2 exp levels, so if you abandon ashe you want to do it soon so it'l end soon " i guess" 09:52:02 elliott: of course if you don't want to abandon ahse thats ok too 09:52:14 I wouldn't abandon ash 09:52:16 why did you second ais' recommendation of ashe i mean honestly 09:52:20 i'm not going to abandon him but 09:52:26 also, ash would be good 09:52:26 if 09:52:27 you bound 09:52:27 your shit 09:52:29 i would appreciate summon powerful shit more than 09:52:33 "see invisible things" 09:52:37 Patashu: how 09:52:41 pray over the scrolls of remove curse 09:52:41 i haven't been like 09:52:42 drop them and pray 09:52:48 i have scrolls of remove curse??? 09:52:53 huh 09:52:53 3 of them 09:53:19 there you go 09:53:45 scry! 09:53:45 finally 09:53:48 amazeing 09:53:48 only took you until xl13 09:53:51 wow look at my piety 09:53:55 ashey really likes bondage 09:54:23 i guess you can still be pious inspite of cursing your god 09:54:32 hmmm 09:54:48 ok reading those scrolls should be safe 09:54:50 also, ash gives clarity 09:54:52 *that 09:54:53 which is really really good 09:55:05 also, there aren't many bad scrolls 09:55:07 esp. if you worship ash 09:55:10 slime 09:55:14 do slime dead last 09:55:15 sucks 09:55:35 slime is usually avoided on 3runers 09:55:40 how can i superscroll through inventory 09:55:41 also that 09:55:43 its so slow 09:55:48 pageups/downs/spacebar 09:55:52 thans 09:55:53 *thanks 09:55:54 btw i still have a box of beasts i'm planning to use on zot:5 09:56:00 mark my words 09:56:16 rrrrrr 09:57:05 oh right i'm wearing my 09:57:07 helmet of smarts 09:57:28 sigh 09:57:31 gllooooves 09:57:39 -!- itidus21 has joined. 09:57:40 draining? 09:57:45 whatever you want 09:57:57 haha 09:58:07 asshole 09:58:08 fungussss 09:58:12 go find him 09:58:14 and finish him off 09:58:15 hydra regenerayts h pquickly 09:58:21 its probably at fulkl health by now 09:58:33 haha 09:58:34 @tell itidus20 elliott still has a box of beasts to use on zot:5 09:58:34 Consider it noted. 09:58:59 distant snort? 09:59:01 yay 09:59:03 labyrinth 09:59:07 10:58 kober (L14 KoBe) entered a Bailey. (Bailey) 09:59:10 monqy: help i thought baileys were gone 09:59:17 what are you talking about 09:59:20 baileys still exist 09:59:23 10:59 labyrinth[1/5]: Look for a cyan \ (or arch depending on your character set) on a level where you hear an "ancient clock" or "distant snort". (1-in-15 chance per level, once per game). Hurry, it times out after a while (you get urgent-sounding messages). Note that magic mapping is likely to show where the lab entrance is; however, it may appear to be a shop. 09:59:26 monqy said baileys were removed 09:59:29 wtf 09:59:31 baileys own 09:59:33 why would you take them out 09:59:36 also, thx ash 09:59:38 where they are 09:59:40 *at 09:59:50 go check one of them out 10:00:06 no 10:00:10 i didnt say they were removed 10:00:11 10:59 labyrinth[3/5]: No monster generation (you might find a few hungry ghosts, though); the major dangers are starvation (expect to use a ration or two) and the minotaur (hits for 35+20, so have awesome AC|offense or a powerful ranged attack). If you have a decent amount of food, and don't have teleportitis it's usually safe to explore. 10:00:14 this thing sounds super boring 10:00:17 i said that you missed one 10:00:18 wait so 10:00:21 labyrinth is awufl 10:00:24 dont do laby 10:00:24 can autoexplore do the labyrinth for me 10:00:26 ok 10:00:27 no 10:00:29 ok well 10:00:31 fuck that because 10:00:33 i'm terrible at mazes 10:00:34 -!- itidus20 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:00:49 ice cave!! 10:00:50 noooooo fuck elephants 10:00:53 it's like a cold volcano 10:00:55 ice cave 10:00:55 :D 10:00:56 wait 10:01:01 the game is seriously making you pick between lab and ice cave 10:01:01 ??? 10:01:27 lol you are 10:01:29 pretty surrounded 10:01:31 hi 10:01:41 kill the elephants 10:01:42 they hit harder 10:01:56 ok 10:02:05 is this ice cave 10:02:06 i have 10:02:07 yes 10:02:07 a ring of ice 10:02:08 heal first 10:02:09 for the purpose 10:02:09 oh wait 10:02:11 and yes you do 10:02:13 cursed jewellrey 10:02:14 because 10:02:15 of Patashu 10:02:16 you're only partially bound 10:02:16 right? 10:02:21 see 10:02:22 fine 10:02:25 whoops 10:02:26 mistyped 10:02:27 lol 10:02:31 I love doing that 10:02:32 eeeeh 10:02:46 monqy: is ice cave fun 10:02:49 very 10:02:50 sure! 10:02:51 do it do it 10:02:52 hey i'm almost xl14 10:02:53 better than volcano 10:02:57 hmm 10:02:59 which one is this 10:03:03 this one 10:03:04 oh, this one 10:03:05 yeah 10:03:10 haha 10:03:14 h 10:03:14 elp 10:03:27 get out of the ice statues' fovs 10:03:28 `? ice cave 10:03:29 first 10:03:37 ice cave? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:03:49 also, you should probably drop all your potions 10:03:49 yeah 10:03:52 forgot 10:04:04 drop all your potions next to the exit 10:04:27 so what's with the statues 10:04:36 do you have any wands of disintegration? 10:04:49 no 10:04:51 ice statue (8) | Spd: 16 | Int: high | HD: 8 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Fl: non-living, !sil | Res: magic(immune), cold+++, elec++, poison, drown, rot+++, neg+++, torm | Vul: fire | XP: 685 | Sp: b.cold (3d16), throw icicle (3d16), freezing cloud (2d17), ice beast. 10:05:19 you can probably just melee them but be ready to back up 10:05:22 they won't regen since they're statues 10:05:40 -!- derdon has joined. 10:05:46 lol 10:05:50 they think they're musus 10:06:00 what's with the exclusion 10:06:03 statues 10:06:16 Marking area around the ice statue as unsafe for travelling. x2 10:06:17 no 10:06:17 come on 10:06:18 don't do that 10:06:42 wow, I didn't know the game places the exclsuions if you lift them 10:06:43 (thanks game) 10:07:05 good place to use scrying btw 10:07:19 bears 10:07:22 except made of ice 10:08:18 is necromancer scary 10:08:28 necromancer (@) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 10 | HP: 26-53 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | Fl: evil, spellcaster | Res: magic(53) | Vul: holy | Chunks: contam | XP: 594 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), b.draining (3d15), animate dead, simulacrum / b.fire (3d18), pain (d13), invisibility, animate dead. 10:08:37 hmm 10:08:37 so, no 10:08:38 take off the ring of ice 10:08:40 first 10:08:41 why 10:08:41 then beat it up 10:08:44 might use bolt of fire 10:08:46 ok 10:08:47 -> you have rf- 10:09:00 lol 10:09:03 turns out it didn't 10:09:13 oooh 10:09:16 yes plz 10:09:29 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:09:43 monqy: did you see my NEW PLATE ARMOUR!! 10:09:47 is it rC 10:09:51 no :( 10:09:53 it's positive energy 10:09:53 but it's +1a 10:09:56 and i can enchant it 10:09:57 *-a 10:10:15 it won't be your end game armoure 10:10:16 btw, why did you curse your splint instead of your helm or cloak 10:10:25 you';ll want something with resistances 10:10:36 like GDA, or at least plate of rF, which i think you have in shope 10:10:46 (or was that game died) 10:10:47 plate of rf would be good for zot 10:10:57 Patashu: might find gda on v8 first! 10:10:59 monqy: i didn't say end game!! but 10:11:04 better than splint mail 10:11:10 plate armour gives gdr right 10:11:22 39.6% gdr 10:11:22 nope, it's cold resistance i have in shope 10:11:23 iirc 10:11:36 plate of mr would be good too 10:12:17 all the traps 10:12:19 remind me of like 10:12:20 angband vaults 10:12:35 pick up your potions on the way out 10:12:38 or you'll be sorry 10:12:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:12:47 quick 10:12:50 you can still do the lab 10:12:51 ahahahaha 10:12:52 no 10:12:54 hi, hydra 10:12:56 i'm not doing lab btw 10:12:56 because 10:12:57 seriously 10:12:57 it vibrated away 10:12:58 i am 10:13:00 the worst at mazes 10:13:02 oh 10:13:03 oh well 10:13:05 labys suck 10:13:06 dont do 10:13:12 ok so 10:13:13 hydra time 10:13:38 nice 10:13:46 akdjhasdklhfdkshfdkjf 10:13:56 what did you do i wasnt watching 10:13:57 i didn't even get a new high score 10:13:59 monqy: hydra 10:14:00 tv it if you want 10:14:04 was it special 10:14:07 it was 10:14:10 especially stupid 10:14:10 Hmm, the Arch fortune database must include the sex part of -off by default. 10:14:18 * Phantom_Hoover is just thankful it left out the racist ones. 10:15:31 that was close to max damage the hydra could have gone, given your gdr 10:15:33 *done 10:15:43 oh 10:15:44 no 10:15:46 no, max damage would have been 75 10:15:47 i didn't switch armour yet 10:15:49 i was still splint 10:15:50 oh 10:15:51 right 10:15:51 splint 10:17:03 oh well 10:17:07 i feel like i'm getting better 10:17:16 and that was YASD that i should have seen coming 10:17:27 otoh i don't remember the 8-headed hydra hitting that hard 10:18:19 a hydra can hit for up to 18*(1-gdr)*number of heads on any turn 10:18:21 11:17 Oh crap. Spiders made it as an official rune branch now ... Nasty. 10:18:25 it's just that they tend NOT to 10:18:28 monqy: you should totally play!!!!!!! 10:18:43 ugh i want to sleep 10:19:02 that's why it'd be extra fun 10:19:03 @time monqy 10:19:03 the only reason i'm still awake is i have to read these papers for tomorrow 10:19:07 Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 03:19:04 2012 10:20:08 monqy: you should dive. you love diving! 10:20:21 can io dive and read at ther same time 10:20:27 yes 10:20:30 swim reading 10:21:26 monqy: it's an art 10:21:47 i'll dive once then go back to reading 10:22:04 (starting now) 10:22:22 Patashu: watche 10:22:39 schinink vun 10:22:41 watch what 10:22:44 Patashu: squarelos 10:22:44 CDO 10:22:49 oh sure 10:22:51 why, what's he doing 10:22:54 diving 10:23:10 what's the goal, here 10:23:14 stay at xl1 and get as deep as possible? 10:23:19 i don't think monqy has a goal 10:23:20 monqy just does 10:23:28 rip monqy 10:23:32 lol 10:23:36 kobold with a whip of electruction 10:23:37 back to reading 10:23:38 welcome to crawl 10:23:42 -!- cheater has joined. 10:26:00 sup duddes and duddettes 10:28:35 monqy: is there a way to get like 10:28:38 my top N games froms equell 10:29:10 ddepends on what you mean by way, get, top 10:29:24 way: method 10:29:26 get: retrieve 10:29:32 top: ordered by descending score 10:29:38 !hs * 10:29:39 !hs * -2 10:29:40 !hs * -3 10:29:41 etc 10:29:43 is one way 10:30:08 there are other ways too if there's something specific you want from each game like 10:30:24 oh wait I don't know if you can do s=sc ugh 10:30:28 woops oh well 10:30:37 i forget how to do it any other ways 10:31:01 of 10:31:02 my games 10:31:03 not 10:31:04 everyone's 10:31:08 oh 10:31:10 !hs 10:31:10 . for * yeah 10:31:11 !hs -2 10:31:12 !hs -3 10:31:13 right 10:31:16 or . for * 10:31:36 11:31 !hs 10:31:36 11:31 147. elliott the Impaler (L15 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Aizul (poison arrow) on D:17 on 2012-04-26, with 84580 points after 43254 turns and 3:34:58. 10:31:36 11:31 !hs -2 10:31:37 11:31 146. elliott the Brawler (L14 GhMo), worshipper of Ashenzari, slain by a seven-headed hydra in Lair:7 on 2012-05-02, with 45580 points after 33481 turns and 4:00:03. 10:31:39 11:31 !hs -3 10:31:41 11:31 145. elliott the Swashbuckler (L12 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a yak on D:12 on 2012-04-22, with 16802 points after 17648 turns and 2:04:04. 10:31:43 11:31 !hs -4 10:31:45 11:31 144. elliott the Grappler (L11 GhMo), worshipper of Makhleb, blasted by Harold (bolt of fire) in D:11 on 2012-04-30, with 10182 points after 11624 turns and 1:19:43. 10:31:47 "my games" 10:31:51 im not very good at crawl 10:32:41 you were better than you were the last time I saw you play 10:32:53 some day you'll have a mind shattering revelation and be like 10:32:53 wow 10:32:58 that's how you play crawl 10:32:59 and then 10:33:01 beaten ez 10:34:29 i know how to play crawl you just 10:34:40 hit things but mostly run away 10:34:42 and that's it 10:34:56 it's just too boring for me to play it that way, so I have to optimise a strategy that involves less running away instead 10:35:37 maybe you should worship chei 10:35:44 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:35:50 monqy: ha 10:35:52 when you worship chei 10:35:54 you CAN'T run 10:35:59 it's like admitting you're bad 10:36:05 worship chei do it do it do it 10:36:26 when a problem comes along 10:36:29 you must slouch it 10:36:33 slouch it good 10:36:35 into shape 10:36:40 I forget the rest of the lyrics 10:36:51 maybe ill go ghck and abandon xom for chei if i'm feeling particularly stupid one day 10:36:55 practice for my feck of chei run 10:37:05 lol 10:37:58 you laugh 10:38:08 -!- cheater has joined. 10:38:10 but you won't laugh when help, Felid Chaos Knight of Cheibriados, ascends to victory 10:38:45 xom wrath is the same as worshipping xom, right 10:38:51 I've "won" a febe of chei before 10:39:06 converted on the way up? 10:39:15 died to trog wrath 10:39:16 Patashu: yes, as I understand it 10:39:23 11:39 xom wrath[1/1]: Abandonment: 50 penance, Xom acts. Retribution: Xom acts. (On average, this is worse than just worshipping Xom; but the worst case is the same, so if you are prepared to deal with Happy Xom you should be fine with Mad Xom) 10:39:46 xom wrath is less frequent than xom worship too isn't it 10:40:25 monqy: i came up with a more extreme (and less possible) version of my all-god run goal 10:40:31 so that nobody else can steal it from me by doing it 10:40:44 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 10:40:56 you have to go through every god, and must, for at least one turn, have the wrath of every single god (except the one you're on) active 10:40:57 /but/ 10:41:02 you're not allowed to switch gods until you reach full piety 10:41:11 god-pleasing-and-abandoning speedrun 10:41:29 i know 10:41:30 i'm a genius 10:42:24 monqy's silence is a silence of awe 10:43:32 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:45:06 basking in the awe 10:45:13 mmmm bask 10:46:37 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10407003/rotation-matrix-haskell 10:46:39 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10408471/rotation-matrix-pbmfile-haskell 10:46:41 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10412051/haskell-how-do-i-rotate-a-pbm-image-by-90 10:46:42 Ah, homework. 10:48:28 The third redirects to the first 10:48:39 Deewiant: Append ?noredirect=1. 10:48:42 Or log in to Stack Overflow. 10:48:51 Duplicates without answers are automatically redirected for anonymous users these days. 10:49:00 (The idea being that they don't really care about clicking a link to get the answer they want.) 10:49:12 Spoiler: it's the same question. 10:54:13 -!- Gregor has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:55:52 @time monqy 10:55:54 Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 03:55:53 2012 10:56:45 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:01:06 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:06:22 @tell monqy i swear i have seen the foreground in eliot.png somewhere else before help 11:06:23 Consider it noted. 11:12:49 -!- Gregor has joined. 11:15:34 hi Gregor 11:15:35 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 11:16:54 elliott: eliot.png == http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/sonic_jctheking/ELIOT.png right? (I asked Google.) 11:17:05 Yes, absolutely. 11:17:19 08:05:37: Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 11:23:25 fizzie: THANKS YOU'RE WELCOME. 11:27:55 fizzie: That image was pretty awesome. 11:28:00 THANK’S 11:28:02 YOUR WELCOME 11:32:19 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:33:34 -!- elliott has joined. 11:39:26 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: brb). 11:39:43 -!- MoALTz has joined. 11:56:33 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:57:31 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:59:42 -!- elliott has joined. 12:13:24 ion: Did you sleep? 12:14:55 elliott: Not yet, a friend came to visit. 12:15:01 @time ion 12:15:02 Local time for ion is Wed May 2 15:15:02 2012 12:15:09 It's hopeless now. 12:15:54 Maybe I should play again. Roguelikes are addictive. 12:30:34 ion: Do you have IPv6? 12:31:03 ♥ Avishai Cohen – Dreaming http://open.spotify.com/track/7uPARjX8n4Sf4ndZ9alTxk live: http://youtu.be/yII_XhK5khw 12:31:09 elliott: Yeah 12:31:25 ion: Does esolangs.org have an AAAA record for you? 12:31:56 esolangs.org.86400INAAAA2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd 12:32:13 esolangs.org. 86400 IN AAAA 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd 12:32:26 Thanks. Do you get connected via IPv6 when going to http://esolangs.org/, if you can check that? 12:33:12 Oh, I suppose I can check from server logs. 12:33:36 Seems to work. 12:33:42 2001:0:c38c:c38c:3886:4813:ac6e:121f - - [02/May/2012:12:33:30 +0000] "GET /wiki/Main_Page HTTP/1.1" 200 18627 "-" "curl/7.22.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.22.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.3.4 libidn/1.23 librtmp/2.3" 12:33:43 Yay. 12:33:53 (What about with a regular browser? I don't know if they do anything weird with IPv6.) 12:34:20 Mine might prefer IPv4 since the IPv6 connection is just a Teredo tunnel. I wonder how to override that? 12:34:30 Well, that's what I'm interested in :P 12:34:32 What's your IPv4 IP? 12:35:33 83.145.237.224 - - [02/May/2012:12:35:21 +0000] "GET /.ipv4.sixxs.org HTTP/1.1" 404 142 "http://www.sixxs.net/tools/gateway/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0" 12:35:34 wat 12:35:36 http://esolangs.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/ 12:35:39 Works 12:36:00 Ah, cool. 12:36:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:36:38 ion: Thanks. 12:37:09 * elliott wonders how to find out what DNS server is being treated as authoritative for a domain. 12:37:17 I don't get an authority section back from "dig esolangs.org" here. 12:37:34 So I can't tell if the change has propagated here or not (since I don't know how to request AAAA records when on IPv4, or indeed if I can). 12:37:37 *I even can 12:37:43 dig +trace esolangs.org 12:38:00 might give some useful information 12:38:20 Ah, thanks, that works. 12:38:43 (Also, does http://esolangs.org/forum/ have messed up styling for you?) 12:39:54 I still get esolangs.org pointing at ns[1-4].afraid.org here at work. Based on the decrementing TTLs, it'll be correct after 6406 more seconds. 12:40:51 fizzie: How long do I have to wait before it's propagated to everywhere, theoretically? 12:41:23 Hmm, how odd. The styles end up messed up iff I enable JavaScript. 12:42:54 "dig @b0.org.afilias-nst.org esolangs.org ns" reports a TTL of 86400 seconds, i.e. a day. If it was that also before, theoretically it can take up to that long. 12:43:46 It happened 16 hours ago. I guess I'll hold off until it's 24 before posting on the community portal. 12:43:58 elliott: It does. And a bunch of spam. 12:44:16 ion: Yeah, I know about the spam, it's the styling I'm concerned about. 12:44:27 ion: Does it work if you click "Headline"? 12:44:39 It does for me. (And promptly breaks again if I select another style.) 12:46:24 elliott: Oh. Headline doesn’t change it, but i’m beginning to suspect it’s intended to look like that. 12:46:35 :D 12:46:43 By "messed up", I mean "as if the page had no styling at all". 12:46:53 If it's grey and orangey, that's right. 12:47:03 It had the “Headline” styling for me all the time. 12:47:10 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:47:40 Does selecting the other styles work? 12:47:45 yes 12:48:13 Hmm. 12:48:18 I bet it's a Safari thing. 12:49:04 Try clearing your cache. 12:51:12 * elliott tries it in Firefox. 12:51:17 Did you know Firefox sucks? 12:52:01 Yeah, it works fine in Firefox. 12:58:05 How to save the world: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17896081 13:02:01 Sounds like a good recipe for catching more hobbyist chili growers. 13:02:04 The BBC ain't perfect. 13:12:41 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 13:14:45 -!- augur has joined. 13:23:11 FFS, Flash has started crashing constantly. 13:25:07 that's expected behaviour for flash 13:25:19 It didn't used to be! 13:25:31 Funny how that always sounds way dumber in text. 13:25:32 it did used tod bed 13:25:56 I mean, in speech "it used to be" is perfectly normal, but... 13:26:19 *use to be 13:26:22 makes it sound a lot less dumb. 13:26:48 I’d like to hear from an authoritative source whether the erroneous-looking “didn’t used to be” is an exception to the rule or whether it should always be “didn’t use to be”. 13:33:44 ion: Have you ever met *America*? 13:34:05 * A m e r i c a * . 13:35:32 ion: W/ e/ l/ c/ o/ m/ e/ - t/ o/ - A/ m/ e/ r/ i/ c/ a/ . 13:35:43 XqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXq 13:37:43 Phantom_Hoover: Whe rei sthetw othous andan dthree I orde red? 13:40:14 The sitting girl represents PHP software, the spray represents SQL injections and the standing girl represents attackers from the Internet. http://i.imgur.com/SZjwe.jpg 13:41:14 ???s all round. 13:41:38 Haters gonna hate (and get their aims hecked). 13:47:03 ^rainbow Welcome to Phantom_Hoover! 13:47:03 Welcome to Phantom_Hoover! 13:54:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:54:20 That makes drinking and driving look so fun i’ll have to try it. http://youtu.be/tYMYv1zsAxE 13:55:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:20:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:33:59 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:35:19 -!- elliott has joined. 14:35:36 http://i.imgur.com/sxMlF.jpg 14:37:31 ion: i lolled 14:37:40 SPOOKY. 14:41:30 Someone #elsewhere didn’t get it and he keeps proving to us it’s the same person by linking Wikipedia etc. articles. And the rest of us on the channel disregard his lines and talk about how it’s probably the similar hairstyle and the eye color, and how they’d surely look almost like twin brothers if you photoshopped a similar beard to the Nirvana drummer’s photo. 14:42:06 :D 14:42:19 ion: The weirdest thing is how they both have the same name. 14:42:46 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:42:56 ion: you guys are best trolls 14:44:15 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 14:44:42 -!- asiekierka has joined. 14:51:12 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:57:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:01:16 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:31:29 -!- augur has joined. 15:40:32 -!- oklofok has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:56:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:59 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 16:17:10 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:23:05 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:28:36 -!- augur has joined. 16:31:53 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 16:37:49 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 16:51:26 -!- Ngevd has joined. 16:51:46 Hello 16:52:19 Had de ja vu when reading today's LMoO 16:52:50 This has happened a couple of times with CoaP too 17:02:08 -!- derdon has joined. 17:13:44 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: bbl). 17:21:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Obama-Biden_campaign_slogan) 17:21:05 What a great article. 17:21:18 Especially that "Controversy" section. 17:24:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hopiakuta/_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina_juneteenth_2006_(_Oy_vey,_D._F._T._P._22_26,_18_June_2006_71.102.31.67_)_%7E%7E_%7E%7E This is good too. 17:27:37 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 17:37:46 -!- MoALTz has joined. 17:42:57 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: brb). 17:59:15 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:03:11 -!- augur has joined. 18:11:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:11:36 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:12:54 -!- Ngevd has joined. 18:12:57 Hello 18:15:32 hi 18:18:24 Ngevd: did you see the 18:18:25 new 18:18:26 esolange 18:18:36 (also monqy's self-portraits of me and shachaf) 18:18:39 "exciting esoteric happenings" 18:18:48 I did not 18:18:52 08:05:37: Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 18:19:19 Yay! 18:23:31 That's not eliot the hedgehog. 18:23:48 It's better. 18:36:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:36:43 hi oerjan 18:37:26 hi elliott 18:37:31 Hello oerjan 18:37:35 hi Ngevd 18:38:06 * elliott predicts oerjan will give up on logreading today. 18:38:37 * oerjan confirms he already did. 18:38:43 Then you missed 18:38:44 19:18 08:05:37: Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png 18:38:45 ! 18:38:55 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: OUTSITE TIME). 18:39:53 * oerjan wonders if there's a common meme in these he doesn't know about. 18:39:55 -> 18:40:30 I think they're just weird 18:41:55 oerjan: they are monqy's self-portraits of shachaf and I. the former derives from my self-portrait of shachaf, http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag 18:42:25 (Which derives from http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png... but you've seen mine.) 18:45:22 -!- Ngevd has joined. 18:45:24 Hello! 18:45:29 I'm back from OUTSIDE 18:45:39 how much crack 18:45:42 do you smoke 18:45:43 as a hamster 18:45:46 you were out for 18:45:50 7 minutes 18:46:07 The outside is a scary place 18:46:11 it's true 18:46:18 i'm asking how you managed a whole 7 minutes 18:46:33 Neccessity is the mother of more things than invention 18:46:52 deep 18:48:50 -!- nortti has joined. 18:49:26 freenode sucks 18:50:34 it wont let me in with or without ssh 18:50:46 it let you in now 18:51:10 irc over ssh 18:51:11 olsner: I am using webchat 18:51:32 *ssl 18:52:43 no, it's definitely ssh :) 18:53:21 it says "This server is for SASL users only" 18:53:58 South American Sign Language? 18:55:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:55:36 nortti: Then you're connecting to the wrong server. 18:55:45 The SASL stuff is for Tor. 18:56:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 18:56:38 elliott: I am connecting to irc.freenode.net 18:57:00 then there's some other issue with your configuration :) 18:57:05 anyway, I'm going to sleep 18:57:52 enumerable and innumerable sound almost the same, but are pretty much opposites (I believe) 18:58:21 elliott: strange how it stopped working on both my phone and computer with configurations that worked before 18:58:54 googling suggests it's a common issue with mobile providers or something. 18:59:13 funny enough, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enumerable points out the potential for confusion but still managed to have two incorrect examples (out of three) 18:59:14 in any case it's pretty obviously not freenode's fault or nobody would be able to connect (well, to the same server, anyway, round-robin and all that) 18:59:16 slep -> 18:59:19 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:02:31 -!- nortti has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:06:25 -!- cheater has joined. 19:09:39 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:10:13 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:10:13 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 19:10:13 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:13:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:44:09 -!- augur has joined. 20:26:07 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:26:23 Oh damn, I've opened two 20:26:32 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 20:26:33 oh no 20:26:51 That fixed ti 20:48:46 -!- wyldstallyns has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:00:07 Goodnight 21:00:42 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 21:01:24 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 21:06:43 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:12:44 Except for the White player's first turn, each player may, twice per game, move a piece with duplication meaning a copy is left at its original location. You may not duplicate queens and kings (although pawns can be duplicated). Also, pawns can use such a move while capturing or non-capturing; other pieces can use duplication only for non-capturing. 21:17:44 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:29:35 "A steam dummy or dummy engine... was a steam engine enclosed in a wooden box structure made to resemble a railroad passenger coach.... It was thought that the more familiar appearance of a coach presented by a steam dummy, as compared to a conventional engine, would be less likely to frighten horses when these trains had to operate in city streets. Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and motion of the operating gear of a 21:32:07 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:33:33 the operating gear of a$ 21:34:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:36:44 "Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and motion of the operating gear of a steam engine that frightened horses, rather than the unfamiliar outlines of a steam engine." 21:56:23 -!- zzo38 has joined. 22:08:56 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:42 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]). 22:37:07 -!- variable has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 22:38:59 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:44:34 -!- variable has joined. 22:51:26 -!- augur has joined. 22:54:12 # readlink /etc 22:54:13 usr/etc 22:54:19 pikhq: BE OFFENDED 22:54:24 elliott: BE PRESENT AND OFFENDED 22:54:30 Uhh 22:54:37 Anybody else: BE OFFENDED 22:54:42 Gregor: NO 22:54:46 Gregor: NO NO NO 22:54:59 8-D 22:55:01 I hereby declare /usr banned. 22:55:10 Oh, then you'll like this: 22:55:25 ~ # readlink /bin 22:55:25 usr/bin 22:55:25 ~ # readlink /lib 22:55:25 usr/lib 22:56:09 While everyone else tries to eschew /usr in preference of /, I eschew / in preference of /usr 8-D 22:56:17 You bastard. 22:57:07 Muahahahahaaaaa 8-D 22:57:25 I actually discovered the etymology behind /usr a while back 22:57:43 or, well, stumbled across someone else explaining it 22:57:58 it seems that in the original UNIX system, it was for home dirs, and on a separate disk from everything else 22:58:17 then they ran out of disk space on /, so they started putting things that weren't needed immediately on boot onto the /usr disk because they were short of space 22:58:27 then they bought another disk, and decided to move the home dirs there… 22:58:36 lol 23:01:41 so, /usr is actually for users, makes perfect sense 23:02:20 pikhq: So do you want to know WHY I have this layout? X-D 23:03:08 http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html was linked-to from somewhere recently, it's about /usr. 23:03:09 Gregor: Because each program has a seperate view of /usr. 23:03:35 Oh. Well yeah. So why are you so offended then? X-D 23:03:48 Should totally do it on / instead. :P 23:04:05 Yeah, /home and /var would really appreciate that. 23:04:16 Absolutely. :D 23:04:32 And /boot, /dev, /proc, /sys for that matter. 23:04:40 *Clearly* you need to have those as packages. 23:05:20 Unfortunately, aufs is sorta too lame to sensibly make /home a package. 23:05:44 Lame. 23:06:31 Its options for deciding where new files go are bugging me, but kinda work only because usually you only put new files in /usr if you're installing a new package. 23:22:58 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:28:45 -!- monqy has joined.