00:00:04 maxhp-10% per mutlevel 00:01:49 maybe he'll splat on the orb run 00:02:04 did he get the orb 00:02:06 yeah 00:02:08 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:02:11 wow, quaffing might instead of dropping sutff to get rid of his burden 00:02:11 damn i missed it 00:02:13 oh nice 00:02:22 monqy: :D 00:02:27 this guy is so good 00:02:49 might expired, mmmm 00:02:53 hopefully he gets mothzerked 00:02:54 ahahahahahaha 00:03:03 monqy: do those moths zerk 00:03:29 they have "rage" melee which berks stuff they hit and they also berk stuff in los 00:03:33 great 00:03:38 so you get stuff like berserk orb guardians, which hurt 00:03:43 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:04:12 monqy: btw 00:04:12 01:03 !lg * tiles 0.10 ntv=0 ktyp!=quitting|leaving|winning killer!=tentacled monstrosity|greater naga|naga warrior max=xl -tv 00:04:16 what is with the killer exclusions here 00:05:06 exclusion of constriction deaths; presumably tiles players die to constriction in a boring predictable fassion, thus its exclusion 00:05:45 -!- itidus20 has joined. 00:05:46 im glad i never had the desire to use tiles for a roguelike ever 00:06:43 wow use G1 not X< aaagh 00:06:45 er 00:06:47 GD1 00:06:49 or whatever 00:06:49 aagh 00:06:53 what's wrong with X1 (just so I know) 00:07:01 oh because it can use upstairs that are closer to other upstairs? 00:07:05 GD1, that is 00:07:13 also 00:07:15 what's up with that D:21 00:07:21 X< is bad because it only goes one level at a time so you go through the dungeon slowly and have to do it each level 00:07:26 GD1 goes to dungeon level 00:07:26 1 00:08:00 well slowly howso 00:08:02 i mean 00:08:04 in realtime sure 00:08:08 or is that what you meant 00:08:12 in realtime yes 00:08:19 orb run is for the most part real boring 00:08:44 -!- itidus22 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:08:47 but sometimes it can be crazy if you get, say, a silly powerful panlord 00:08:58 or a 1 or two on a weak character 00:09:08 are 9s anything 00:09:12 statues 00:09:15 why is TeX so beautiful 00:09:16 er 00:09:18 gargoiels 00:09:20 not statues 00:09:20 i like how that guy didn't 00:09:22 statues are 8 00:09:22 cut the corner 00:09:33 (i dont either but) 00:09:38 (it still bugs me when i see others not) 00:09:53 it's bugging me that he's not dying 00:10:01 at this rate he'll ascend with (Hit _) 00:10:10 "A sufficiently persistent player will eventually rack up a couple wins with their Felid Chaos Knight that remains loyal to Xom no matter what, but that doesn't change the fact that felids are terrible and Xom is terrible and they aren't any better when you put them together." 00:10:13 maybe i'll just play feck of feck 00:10:17 (im addicted to reading stupid tavern threads now oops) 00:10:21 oops 00:10:57 i see nobody's done a 15-rune feck 00:10:58 oops 00:10:59 did he win 00:11:00 oh no 00:11:18 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:11:42 01:11 ah didn't see :( was too involved in the game 00:11:45 monqy: :'( 00:11:48 :') 00:11:56 cries 00:11:58 hits everything 00:11:59 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:12:15 Now back to homowork. 00:18:23 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:20:17 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:21:34 elliott: You can type ca to CHOP ALL THE CORPSES. 00:22:03 that sure sounds useful eh 00:25:03 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:26:10 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:27:54 What the hell is his conversation even about? 00:28:07 hi 00:28:13 murder 00:28:32 That's a terrible title for a game 00:28:40 it's not a game 00:28:42 it's real life 00:28:51 #realtalk 00:30:57 Ah, Crawl 00:31:34 no 00:31:34 murder 00:31:36 crawl is just our cover 00:31:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:31:52 Matrix of Solidity would be a great title for a game. 00:32:28 elliott: *nod* Just like Quake back in the day 00:32:37 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:35:00 7/9 00:35:05 9/6 00:35:06 eeeeh 00:35:16 monqy: how bad is EV 6 00:35:24 I forget 00:35:25 ! 00:36:14 :( 00:36:51 monqy: should i keep the chain mail on 00:36:57 train armour if you want better ac/ev (you want better ac/ev) 00:36:57 uhhh 00:36:59 dunno! 00:37:20 i was gonna train unarmed combat to 10 before training other things but 00:37:23 maybe i should train armour as well 00:37:37 training uc to 10 is sensible too 00:37:43 at least 00:37:46 i think it's sensible?? 00:38:01 i just picked 10 arbitrarily (i kept it on after that but i trained other thniings too) 00:38:05 *things 00:38:09 i don't really know what i'm doing :( 00:38:24 :( 00:38:43 no but that sounds pretty reasonable 00:38:57 okbut in that case maybe i should switch back to the other armour for now :'( 00:39:14 do whatever feels right??? i dunnnno 00:39:39 i wish i could split it like 00:39:40 80%/20% 00:40:03 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:41:03 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:41:44 -!- Lymee has changed nick to Madoka-Kaname. 00:42:01 _One of your 3 potions of curing freezes and shatters! 00:42:05 creibriadoses 00:42:39 also im 00:42:41 "hav to go now" 00:42:45 we will miss you 00:42:46 "or soon" 00:42:46 rip 00:42:47 "or something" 00:42:52 perhaps one day monqy will return to us 00:42:56 @time monqy 00:42:57 Local time for monqy is Thu May 3 17:42:56 2012 00:43:01 perhaps never 00:43:12 monqy: is clarity good 00:46:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:46:43 wow menkaure was weak 00:46:58 _h - a scroll labeled PNYVEGAPRO {tried on scroll labeled PNYVEGAPRO} 00:46:59 meta 00:47:23 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:47:25 uuugh stupid jelly 00:48:47 monqy: You finish putting on the cursed -4 cloak of the Fifty Eyes {+Blink MR Str+1}. 00:48:50 thanks, Crawl 00:49:03 thawl 00:49:12 -!- elliott has changed nick to elliptiott. 00:49:23 :-D 00:49:32 01:48 every time i see elliott i think i see elliptic 00:49:35 yesss my devious plan is working 00:49:49 great, I don't even have remove curse :D 00:50:17 Not going to get a god? 00:50:43 sure I am 00:50:46 just thinking about which to go with 00:50:50 ashey was kinda disappointing 00:51:13 in that sure seeing monsters behind walls and stuff was nice but it never actually got me out of a tight spot 00:51:24 also the cursing stuff was annoying 00:51:35 so i'm considering going with makhleb again 00:51:39 otoh 00:51:43 sacrificing corpses is annoying too! 00:51:46 and at least cursing is more one-time 00:52:04 what 00:52:19 well 00:52:21 at least i'm rid of that cloak 00:52:33 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:52:58 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:54:43 playing again 00:55:57 Have you tried vacuuming the dungeon for Nemelex yet? 00:56:01 no 00:56:06 Have you tried a deep elf summoner yet? 00:56:09 no 00:56:28 I'm sticking with GhMo until i win it 00:56:54 You may choose your destination (press '.' or delete to select). 00:56:54 Huh. 00:56:55 Why? 00:56:57 Oh. 00:57:02 Yay! 00:58:23 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:59:20 Oh, what? 00:59:22 Lame. 00:59:37 -!- Deewiant has joined. 00:59:52 ? 01:00:17 I quaffed a potion of gain strength but instead I just decomposed because it counts as a mutation. 01:00:57 brb 01:02:04 back 01:02:38 Fuck my life. 01:02:59 Oh come on... 01:03:13 I expected you to move left. :-\ 01:03:23 Yeah, I should have. 01:03:25 But I was an idiot. 01:03:36 Again. 01:03:45 DESu 01:03:47 ! 01:04:02 What? 01:04:09 Play a DESu. 01:04:13 No. That's idiotic. 01:05:00 This game sounds insane 01:05:44 Crawl? It's not *that* weird. 01:05:53 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:05:56 telnet crawl.develz.org 345, then w and select elliott's letter if you want to see. 01:06:44 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:07:04 Ooh. 01:07:08 Bind \{6}armour\{13} to a free key such as “1”. 01:07:13 No. 01:07:13 solarized-dark is probably the wrong color scheme for this :D 01:07:16 I don't have any configuration changes. 01:07:28 Actually, not so bad 01:07:37 You don’t even need to change configuration. 01:07:44 Hit… err, was it ` or ~ 01:08:23 What the hell, adder? 01:09:25 I use 1 for searching for armour, 2 for searching for my main weapon (e.g. axes) and 3 for searching for corpses i can eat/offer. 01:09:37 I handle corpses as I make them. 01:09:46 (That sounds badass.) 01:09:52 Hi, Terence. 01:09:58 Me, too, except when i fight a bunch of guys at once or simply forget. 01:10:04 what are you playing now 01:10:05 ghmo of ??? 01:10:18 Patashu: Of nothing. I haven't found the Temple yet. 01:10:24 what do you plan on taking 01:10:39 Probably Makhleb. 01:10:40 You should also play a hill orc monk for the hilarious bot messages on ##crawl. 01:10:43 cool 01:10:47 My experience with Ashenzari was disappointing. 01:10:52 also 01:10:58 if you got 5/6 star ash piety ash is good 01:11:01 but you never bound yourself enough 01:11:04 so, try him again sometime 01:11:09 maybe with a non-monk 01:11:12 so you can bind your weapon 01:11:16 What do they give with max piety? 01:11:18 (and/or shield) 01:11:22 really really long range divination 01:11:25 Shield? I'm UC. 01:11:32 you can use bucklers as UC 01:11:46 I gather it's annoying to. 01:11:57 the penalty is really low 01:12:00 and bucklers are nice 01:12:31 Anyway, Makhleb's combat abilities seem more useful than Ashenzari's divination abilities for a melee fighter to me. 01:12:45 What's the significance of the stars after Ghoul? 01:12:50 piety 01:12:53 Ah 01:12:54 Piety; it's how much my god likes me. 01:12:55 he's a monk so he starts with ** 01:12:59 even though he doesn't worship yet 01:13:02 Cool 01:13:03 But since I don't have a god right now, it's greyed-out. 01:13:50 Unique party! 01:13:53 So is Crawl just netback with more weirdness and Sierra-like dickishness 01:13:54 ? 01:13:59 *nethack 01:14:04 Crawl isn't all that much like NetHack. 01:14:25 patashu: Oh? That’s cool. I guess that has been done within the last six months. 01:14:35 nihilist: it's not much like nethack 01:14:44 if you want a game like playing nethack, I recommend adom 01:15:10 Compare this game to something, I suppose. I might like to play. 01:15:21 NihilistDandy: Crawl is like NetHack but with larger maps and probably more grinding; it's more regular in that there's fewer spoilers that aren't monster statistics. 01:15:22 crawl is like 01:15:28 a roguelike that's actually fun to play unspoiled 01:15:30 I guess 01:15:30 It's also probably easier. 01:15:33 Oh, sweet 01:15:39 Patashu: I don't think so. 01:15:40 you don't need to memorize like 01:15:45 the cost of things in shops before they're identified 01:15:46 or 01:15:48 I would get frustrated if I didn't ask Henzell about new monsters I encounter. 01:15:53 what all these scrolls will do when read while confused 01:15:54 and so on 01:16:04 Oops, I wielded a scroll. 01:16:07 yeah, crawl is definitely more fun with henzell/gretell 01:16:08 lol 01:16:26 NihilistDandy: FWIW, Crawl is probably the most popular roguelike. 01:16:43 I just killed two jackals with a piece of paper. 01:16:52 congratulations 01:16:55 And what with hanging out in #haskell and #esoteric, you know popularity is my first concern :D 01:16:59 elliott: No, you didn’t. You killed them with your secondary claw attack. 01:17:05 ion: Oh. :( 01:17:09 How do I just wield paper? 01:17:27 you can't 01:17:32 Crawl sucks. 01:17:34 no way to turn off aux attacks 01:18:10 NihilistDandy: If you want to play and you're in America, you might like to play on crawl.akrasiac.org instead. 01:18:24 Since it's in America. 01:18:40 I still need to make a Scumbag Ola Bini image 01:18:43 Amurka 01:18:46 Sgeo: Please don't. 01:19:07 xl7 zig 01:19:07 go 01:19:14 Patashu: I don't have the money. :( 01:19:38 lol 01:19:41 offensive scroll of immo 01:19:54 NihilistDandy: Also Crawl has autoexplore and autofight. 01:19:59 ^ 01:19:59 Which makes the grinding aspect a lot less tedious. 01:20:01 the two best things about crawl 01:20:08 Now that is a selling point 01:20:11 it would be better if grinding was eliminated 01:20:13 (In case you thought I was actually pressing the direction keys that quickly.) 01:20:15 but making the grinding trivial is just as good 01:20:32 (The autofight isn't anything magically special, it just does the attack you would do yourself in one turn.) 01:20:35 also 01:20:38 (So you can spam tab a lot for weaker stuff.) 01:20:40 crawl tells you what monsters will probably be a tough fight for you 01:20:44 No it doesn't. 01:20:45 dark gray, gray, yellow, red 01:20:47 yes it does 01:20:47 It lies freely. 01:20:48 the name colours 01:20:52 it does indeed 01:20:54 but it at least tries 01:20:57 also, you're about to die 01:20:58 yeah 01:21:06 I like how I had curing and heal wounds. 01:21:10 grats I guess 01:21:14 elliott: DESu! 01:21:14 Let's try that again. 01:21:18 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:21:38 did you leave stealth on 01:21:43 ok 01:21:44 carry on 01:21:45 NihilistDandy: (You'll have to q and select the letter again if you want to keep watching.) 01:21:58 NihilistDandy: Oh, and Crawl comes with a lot of interface tweaks compared to NetHack. 01:22:07 So I'm seeing 01:22:10 I'm playing with stock configuration and the autopickup, colours, travel etc. are all more or less how I like them. 01:22:13 Kinda digging this 01:22:32 Colors are inline with my terminal colors, so that's good enough for me :D 01:22:34 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:22:35 another favourite feature of crawl of mine 01:22:41 is the ability to put forced pauses on regexes 01:22:49 so I can tell the game I want it to pause whenever I miscast a spell 01:22:50 Yay, plate. 01:22:53 or whenever two slime creatures merge 01:22:56 or whatever silly thing I die because of 01:22:58 often 01:23:08 I couldn't do that because I'd have to put every message on pause. 01:23:19 you really don't 01:23:24 It was a joke. 01:23:26 ah 01:23:27 The joke is that I die from everything. 01:23:43 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:23:51 Do butterflies ever attack under any circumstances? 01:23:54 no 01:23:56 they have no attack 01:24:00 The only person Sequell knows to have tied from a butterfly is by inner flame. 01:24:05 yes 01:24:17 Can you give them attacks? :( 01:24:31 -!- augur has joined. 01:24:52 NihilistDandy: Also: Crawl has Xom. 01:25:01 you could modify the game to give them an attack 01:25:04 but you'd be playing offline 01:25:34 NihilistDandy: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Xom (Henzell links to this in its Xom entry so I'm guessing it's not as terrible as some of the wiki.) 01:26:11 not everything in the wiki is bad 01:26:14 mostly it's the advice that's bad 01:27:25 Pained a rat to death. Neat 01:27:46 NihilistDandy: (Not to say that Crawl isn't entirely free of Sierra-style stuff, btw; it's quite possible for a monster to decide to show up rather before it's reasonable to.) 01:27:49 (Particularly the uniques.) 01:28:00 (But you can run away. Well, most of the time.) 01:28:28 Glad I didn't put that on. 01:29:15 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:29:57 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:34:48 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:35:06 I'm dead. 01:35:14 no you aren't 01:35:47 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 01:35:53 Time for ultimate tedium. 01:36:41 Do goliath beetles heal? 01:36:47 yeah 01:36:50 How fast? 01:36:56 fast as anything else I guess 01:37:44 Hmm. 01:37:48 Maybe I'll enchant that plate armour for later. 01:39:19 you should enchant secondary pieces of armour first 01:39:22 since you're the least likely to replace thrm 01:39:28 even plate might be replaced by dragon scale or cpa 01:39:38 hint 01:39:40 gnolls have spears 01:39:44 Yeah, oops. :( 01:39:53 why are you fighting them 01:40:00 Add ”hits you from afar” to force_more_messages. 01:40:02 Because I have no viable getaway plan? 01:40:03 yes 01:40:06 really? 01:40:09 where's theu pstairs 01:40:10 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:40:21 Far away enough that they'd kill me. 01:40:21 you could walk to there 01:40:26 they're the same speed as you 01:40:31 Yes, but they have spears. 01:40:38 they WERE a tile away from you 01:40:41 until you decided to fight them 01:40:42 They're not now. 01:40:45 great 01:40:47 hp? 01:40:58 you can take a hit 01:41:00 go run 01:41:01 I'll just blink or tele. 01:41:20 Or run, I guess, but that's riskier. 01:41:28 tele is risky on a mostly uncleared level 01:41:48 By blink or tele, I meant blink. :p 01:41:57 imo waste of a blinking scroll but ok 01:42:27 If I die, it's your fault. 01:42:56 Nice. 01:43:01 get behind cover 01:43:05 Yeah, yeah, I know. 01:43:07 ok 01:43:22 mmm, hp for eating 01:43:24 I have to play ghoul now 01:43:29 It's great. 01:43:33 'down time what's that' 01:43:52 So what is the penalty for a buckler exactly? 01:43:57 it's pretty low 01:44:02 let me see if I can back that up with numbers 01:44:04 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:44:26 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqvhLOPFHpiMdHFWbVpnU3F6M2VlQWV5Rk56UDNaNHc#gid=1 01:44:46 it looks like at shields 5 the penalty for buckler wearing vanishes 01:45:06 Shit, cursed ring of protection -2 01:45:11 you'll be fine 01:45:20 try all your scrolls 01:46:03 And a +2 robe 01:46:04 Nice 01:47:01 And curse removed 01:47:24 Need a corpse soon, thugh 01:47:26 *though 01:48:50 NihilistDandy: What server are you playing on? 01:49:13 elliptiott: The first one you linked. Just died, though. Dropped through an escape hatch surrounded by monsters :/ 01:49:33 * elliptiott will watch if you play again. 01:49:33 77 NihilistDandy the Grave Robber (level 2, -1/19 (20) HPs) 01:49:33 Began as a Ghoul Necromancer on May 4, 2012. 01:49:33 Slain by a goblin 01:49:33 ... wielding a +0,+0 orcish club 01:49:33 (4 damage) 01:49:34 ... on Level 3 of the Dungeon. 01:49:34 The game lasted 00:24:08 (1013 turns). 01:49:41 Yeah, try not to fall down escape hatches :P 01:49:49 I have no idea how suboptimal that is :D 01:50:19 Playing again, though 01:50:26 Thoughts on race and class? 01:50:37 Uhhh... ask Patashu. 01:50:44 I started out as a Mummy Chaos Knight. 01:50:51 That's not an endorsement of Mummy Chaos Knights. 01:50:55 For the love of god, don't play a Mummy Chaos Knight. 01:50:55 lol 01:51:30 NihilistDandy, the Vampire Assassin 01:51:35 "The Sneak 01:51:36 " 01:51:38 FWIW, the combinations that are Bad are greyed out. 01:51:43 Once you pick a species or background. 01:51:43 non-trivially suboptimal (just kidding im not at all aware of it) 01:51:51 That doesn't mean the remaining combinations are Good. 01:51:56 Righto 01:51:56 But it means they're not Bad. 01:52:10 NihilistDandy: Ugh. 01:52:14 Can you save and reconnect? 01:52:17 With TERM=xterm. 01:52:25 Right now it's using terminal codes that make all your grey messages appear black to other terminals. 01:52:33 Oh, sure. Just a second 01:52:34 if you like hitting things hard, play a minotaur berserker or hill orc berserker. if you like casting spells and running away from things, try spriggan wizard or spriggan venom mage 01:52:38 Because of silly tailor-to-the-terminal-you're-using stuff. 01:52:42 (Ctrl+S is save.) 01:52:56 I hear MiBe is really easy. 01:53:01 That's why I can NEVER PLAY IT EVER. 01:53:01 I have a mibe win 01:53:03 it's pretty easy 01:53:23 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:53:33 Better? 01:53:42 Dunno; you'll have to keep playing to tell. 01:53:57 Yes, better. 01:54:00 You don't want those. 01:54:07 Also, "c" over a corpse to chop it into edible chunks. 01:54:20 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:54:22 Shall do 01:54:25 Which isn’t useful for vampires. 01:54:25 NihilistDandy: Seriously, drop that leather armour and spear :P 01:54:30 ion: Oh, right. 01:54:43 NihilistDandy: Uhh, dropping things takes one turn per item though. 01:54:46 So be wary of doing that around monsters. 01:55:03 NihilistDandy: Try q. 01:55:05 Oh, you have no potions of use. 01:55:15 You should have picked that gnoll off with a blowgun, really :) 01:55:24 Yeah, probably 01:55:28 Gnolls are particularly nasty, so don't worry too much. 01:55:31 Try a less kynäniska berserker. 01:55:59 I second the MiBe recommendation, despite having no experience with it. 01:56:15 A lot of other combinations will require quite a bit more delicacy early on, methinks. 01:56:21 Also, TrBe is a tank. 01:56:34 NihilistDandy: Also, with berserkers you worship Trog! He loves bloodshed and hates magic. 01:56:37 It might be fun in the early game. 01:56:39 And you get to go berserk, which makes everything go red and you get stronger. 01:56:49 (You get exhausted afterwards, but oh well.) 01:56:57 That's Life (tm) 01:57:04 Just found a dagger of speed. That's neat 01:57:14 Yes, you get exhausted after berserking just like in real life. 01:57:32 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:57:35 NihilistDandy: Also, with ghouls you regain HP when eating. 01:57:39 Don't eat when your HP is full. 01:57:43 Magic, too, sometimes 01:57:45 (That doesn't apply to other races.) 01:58:27 NihilistDandy: BTW, G is the travel command. So once you've fully explored, G> gets you down quickly. 01:58:40 Oh, cool 02:00:16 NihilistDandy: Press p if you want to convert to Ashey. 02:00:21 Ah 02:01:02 (It likes you cursing your items (which just means you can't take them off).) 02:01:12 (In return you get info about the map and monsters nearby and the like.) 02:01:16 Interesting god 02:01:35 (Also changing god brings down the wrath of the previous god on you, so you're pretty much stuck with Ashenzari.) 02:01:37 Hit ^ to see your boundness. 02:01:52 Damn 02:02:22 MiBe. Or TrBe. Or somethingBe. 02:02:29 Seriously, play MiBe or something :P 02:02:34 I'll give it a shot 02:02:52 NihilistDandy: Oh yeah, you probably want to press m and adjust your skills. 02:02:59 You can berserk with a. 02:03:02 Patashu and ion can advise about the best skills for MiBe. 02:03:08 axes 02:03:09 lots of axes 02:03:13 Don't use the arrow keys, just use the letters. :p 02:03:17 NihilistDandy: Yeah, turn everything btu axes off. 02:03:22 Press something twice to turn it off. 02:03:31 and swap away from hthat hand axe asap, it's shit 02:03:47 war axe, broad axe, battleaxe and executioner's axe from worst to best 02:03:48 Switch to manual mode to make sure only axes are trained. 02:04:31 (But you might want to train fighting and armour as well at least at some point.) 02:04:51 I hear Fighting got seriously nerfed recently. 02:04:58 Oh, ok. 02:05:05 don't train fighting until about xl16 02:05:06 imo 02:05:21 You can move and fight diagonally with yubn. 02:05:31 (or with tab!) 02:05:36 Moving with hjkl when there’s an enemy diagonally next to you gives them free hits. 02:05:53 And escaping with hjkl when you want to move diagonally gives them free hits also. 02:06:00 I bet NihilistDandy is using arrow keys. 02:06:08 Maybe 02:06:15 Don't do that. You'll die. 02:06:20 Fair enough 02:06:44 Don't convert to Ashey this time. Trog doesn't like that. :p 02:07:07 Now hit a. Trog likes it when you burn spellbooks. 02:07:14 Don't hit a yet. 02:07:16 He didn't get the book. 02:07:21 you don't have to get it 02:07:22 No, you’re not supposed to. 02:07:23 it juts has to be in los 02:07:29 It was out of LOS when I said that, I think. 02:07:40 NihilistDandy: Yeah, hit a*. 02:07:41 Oops. 02:07:42 Go back to the colon. 02:07:46 That was teh book. 02:07:49 Look at the piety meter. 02:07:52 Then a* 02:07:56 *the 02:08:00 f 02:08:08 Nice :D 02:08:16 Okay, that didn't actually get you a star of piety. But it got you a fraction of one! 02:08:22 The more piety you get, the more nice abilities you get. 02:08:23 The leather armour is better than your animal skin. 02:08:46 d, to drop useless items, but you usually don’t need to drop rotting chunks since they’ll just rot away. 02:10:00 When in the situation @.X where X is an enemy, don’t move toward her. Let her move toward you. You’ll get the first hit. 02:10:03 Chain mail. 02:10:05 Get that chain mail. 02:10:23 nice 02:10:27 NihilistDandy: (Use . to wait a turn. Also, 5 makes you rest to restore HP, which is useful if you run out of it and there's nothing dangerous around.) 02:10:28 Ooh, nice. 02:10:32 You should maybe train armour soon. 02:10:38 Depending on what your EV's like now. 02:10:45 Oh, 7. 02:10:47 That's not so bad. 02:11:00 You gave it two free hits. 02:11:18 Don’t go down yet. 02:11:48 No. 02:11:52 Ring mail is worse than chain. 02:11:59 Especially a +4 chain mail. :-P 02:12:08 Scale vs ring? 02:12:14 it goes like this: 02:12:24 skin/robe, leather, ring, scale ,chain, splint, plate, dragon/crystal 02:12:25 NihilistDandy: /msg Henzell ??scale mail 02:12:27 NihilistDandy: /msg Henzell ??ring mail 02:12:30 More AC is better. 02:12:32 well, not all dragon armours 02:12:34 some are meant for casters 02:12:39 The lower the EV is the better you have to be at armour to wear it effectively. 02:12:43 Cool 02:13:51 (Also, see ??butterfly for the most important warning in the game.) 02:14:04 (And ??butterfly[2], etc. for the next pages.) 02:14:20 Jesus 02:14:47 * elliptiott has now proudly set NihilistDandy up for a life of avoiding butterflies. 02:14:54 Don’t drop the plate armour. 02:14:55 Forever 02:15:03 Plate armour is good. 02:15:13 But you're probably not good enough to use it yet. 02:15:21 NihilistDandy: Try Ctrl+F axe to search for axes. 02:15:26 You might have missed some. 02:15:32 Okay, nothing. 02:15:37 And use diagonal movement. :-P 02:15:38 (It searches everything you've seen.) 02:16:15 ion: I'm acclimating to vi-style :P 02:16:27 Numpad also works (but I'll laugh at you). 02:16:38 I also don't have a numpad, per se 02:17:05 Some people use numpad with the top number row. 02:17:16 That sounds like the work of a crazy person 02:17:17 NihilistDandy: If it lists an item, hit its letter and . to travel to it. 02:17:39 (And if you get interrupted, G to continue.) 02:18:08 When in the situation @.X where X is an enemy, don’t move toward her. Let her move toward you. You’ll get the first hit. 02:18:19 NihilistDandy: Read those scrolls, man. 02:18:22 (To identify them.) 02:18:32 (r works too, and is quicker.) 02:18:46 Preferably with a weak enemy in sight, so certain scrolls that affect them are identified. 02:18:51 Generally you should try and use them on potions (to discover a scroll of identify), or if you know identify then armour or something. 02:19:01 ion: I don't bother doing that. :p 02:19:13 And preferably wearing a ring or an amulet, so the scroll that curses them is identified. 02:19:16 Whoa, what happened to your display there? 02:19:21 Oh, there you go. 02:19:23 And preferably wearing something that’s cursed, so the scroll of remove curse is identified. 02:19:26 Blink is an instant micro-teleport. 02:19:30 It's useful for running away. 02:19:43 That's a delayed random teleport. 02:19:59 Again, r is the same as ir, but faster :P 02:20:14 Ah, a multi-use identify scroll. 02:20:16 Try it on i. 02:20:20 Since you tried it and it didn't id itself. 02:20:30 Good thing, too. 02:20:50 Should I keep id'ing things? 02:20:58 Pretty much. 02:21:03 I id scrolls when I pick them up. 02:21:09 The potions are the most important to id. 02:21:11 You can read-id scrolls. 02:21:22 But it's not nice to have to quaff-id potions at random when you're about to die. 02:21:44 d, to drop the useless potion. 02:21:55 I keep my red potions. 02:21:58 Just in case. 02:22:02 just in case what 02:22:28 Just in case. 02:22:34 bad potions are only useful to characters who learn the spell 'evaporate' 02:22:37 NihilistDandy: Take that helmet and wear it. 02:22:42 He can’t. 02:22:42 Avoid the ring until you id it. 02:22:48 Oh, minotaurs are special? Okay. 02:22:48 I wouldn’t. :-P 02:22:52 Well, I wouldn't either. 02:22:58 I was trying to instil good habits. 02:23:10 Patashu: Just in case I ever need to be slow, or degenerated, or poisoned. 02:23:21 Umm… shit? 02:23:29 Ah, Sigmund. 02:23:38 I’d run away for now and come back when i’m more badass. 02:23:40 You can either run or try to take him. 02:23:47 Yeah, probably best to run. 02:23:47 Oh, i remembered you have berserk. 02:23:52 Oh, right. 02:23:58 Still only a hand axe. 02:24:01 What's your axes skill like? 02:24:15 4.7? 02:24:21 Well, you can go for it. But you might die :P 02:24:22 Be careful, though. 02:24:30 Walk up to one square next to him slowly in case anything happens. 02:24:32 Don’t give him free shots. 02:24:48 Well, actually. 02:24:51 Leave a space between you and him, like ion says. 02:24:56 One down again. 02:25:02 Okay, aa 02:25:03 Now berserk. 02:25:07 To go berserk. 02:25:12 Press . 02:25:13 Now . 02:25:19 Ugh. 02:25:22 Go down one. 02:25:24 Now just whack him. 02:25:26 Watch your HP meter. 02:25:32 Yay. 02:25:34 Nice 02:25:40 You probably didn't need the berk after all, but... 02:25:46 Not sure what to increase for minotaurs. 02:25:55 Ask Patashu. :p 02:25:58 Or ion, but he's inferior. 02:26:15 ion: What would Patashu say to do? 02:26:22 Patashu: What would ion say to do? 02:26:26 I WILL NEVER SOLVE THIS RIDDLE 02:26:29 I'm not even watching, should I be? 02:26:51 You might want to gain some intelligence so a cursed ring of Int-9999 doesn’t kill you. 02:27:10 To be fair, a cursed ring of int -5 would kill m 02:27:11 *me 02:27:12 Patashu: Sure. 02:27:27 I shouldn’t be watching, i should be doing homowork. 02:27:35 I feel clever. 02:27:36 ion: That's why I told him to identify rings before wearing them! ;) 02:27:43 NihilistDandy: OK, now rest off with 5. 02:27:49 Uhh. 02:27:50 Do you have chunks? 02:27:54 Oh, you don't. 02:27:59 Best not to waste permafood. 02:28:01 You have a corpse right there. 02:28:04 Anyway, 5 some more. 02:28:06 Rest until you’re not slow anymore. 02:28:08 You're slow and exhausted; not very good for combat. 02:28:27 Being exhausted doesn’t matter much, you just won’t be able to berserk AFAIU. 02:28:27 Should I take Sigmund's shit? 02:28:45 The scythe isn't the right kind of weapon for you. 02:28:52 The robe is not interesting if you're going heav armour. 02:28:53 *heavy 02:29:10 Oh, what's your armour situation again? 02:29:18 +4 chain 02:29:21 Right. 02:29:28 It'll be a while before you'll want to switch to plate, I think. 02:29:32 Oh, you have high Str. 02:29:40 Maybe stick the armour skill on for a bit so you can wear the plate. 02:29:44 OTOH, +4 chain might be better than +0 plate. 02:29:50 NihilistDandy: Press b to train axes more, though. 02:30:02 Also, you can't eat corpses unless you're hungry (or one of the races who don't care about that). 02:30:10 They seem to have the same AC bonus, actually. 02:30:13 Yiuf is dangerous sometimes. But usually not. 02:30:31 With berserk you should be able to handle him. 02:30:38 Stop being silly. 02:30:47 So berserk, then? 02:30:50 No. 02:30:54 Walking hurts you when you'e zerk. 02:30:56 *you're 02:30:59 No, I mean - 02:31:02 well, never mind. 02:31:08 I meant zerk afterwards. 02:31:10 Take the cloak. 02:31:16 And then rest off the poisoning. 02:31:18 (And wear the cloak.) 02:31:36 (You can also W to wear rather htan going through i.) 02:31:46 *nod* 02:31:51 *than 02:31:58 harcustangent 02:32:16 NihilistDandy: Oh, yeah - 02:32:23 If you're not hungry and have chunks, press p on corpses instead. 02:32:26 It sacrifices them and makes Trog happy. 02:32:34 Shall do 02:33:03 Now try the rings that aren’t cursed. 02:33:22 Green is uncursed, right? 02:33:29 It says it’s uncursed. 02:33:31 Oh, derp 02:33:35 Nice! 02:33:40 Now you don't have to bother training intelligence any more. 02:33:41 Oh, very nice. 02:33:50 You could wear that plate armour now, see if it has a nice bonus. 02:33:52 Well, unless you want another ring in its place. :-P 02:34:00 Oh. 02:34:00 It’s cursed. It’s probably bad. 02:34:02 Cursed :/ 02:34:04 Yeah. 02:34:07 Read-test g and m. 02:34:09 Maybe one of them is uncurse. 02:34:20 Well, that's not bad. Even if the axe sucks. 02:34:26 They’ll only uncurse things you’re wearing IIRC. 02:34:31 Damn it 02:34:43 Ha. 02:34:45 Oh well. 02:34:47 It’s okay, now you’ll be able to read-id a scroll of remove curse. 02:34:49 Uncurse armour scrolls arent uncommon. 02:34:51 *aren't 02:35:04 So, next level down? 02:35:05 BTW, you'll want to take off the armour skill after a while. 02:35:06 Sure. 02:35:09 You're definitely strong enough. 02:35:28 I take o said it has explored everything on the previous level? 02:35:37 Correct 02:35:40 Not sure, but Dungeon:[123] are so boring anyway. 02:35:56 Except when you find useful loot. 02:37:01 You should probably id some stuff. 02:37:10 Oh. 02:37:13 You don't have the id scrolls yet. 02:37:18 There's 2 scrolls of id there; autopickup will get htem for you 02:37:18 *them 02:37:44 The potions are the priority, but iding the armour would be nice too. 02:37:51 Try p, since yo have 2. 02:37:52 *you 02:37:52 Well, i’d just drop it. 02:37:55 the armour 02:38:03 A waste of an id scroll. 02:38:09 Howso? 02:38:18 Oh. 02:38:20 Isn’t it unlikely to be good? 02:38:23 ion: I meant since the first one was multi-use. 02:38:55 NihilistDandy: Ijyb is another unique. 02:38:57 He's a weakling, though. 02:39:01 Except when he has spells. 02:39:14 He chop your head off 02:39:28 he's a goblin but with more hp 02:39:30 and randomly has a wand 02:40:05 That sure is an enchanted crappy axe :D 02:40:14 Aww, yeah~ 02:40:25 A +7 hand axe would “sure” be an enchanted crappy axe. :-P 02:40:56 Just keep it all through the game. 02:41:16 (Not a serious suggestion.) 02:41:34 Do everything elliott suggests. 02:41:38 (That was a serious suggestion.) 02:42:00 I only started playing like 11 days ago. :( 02:42:14 Okay, sorry, was moving to another room 02:42:23 No problem. 02:42:32 You can't eat kobold. 02:42:36 Green = can't eat it. 02:42:39 So sacrifice all those. 02:42:47 I'll keep it in mind 02:42:50 (I end up chopping kobold anyway because I uncritically c most corpses.) 02:42:51 Get this new shitty axe? 02:42:59 No. 02:43:02 That would be even shittier. 02:43:03 (Most likely.) 02:43:40 Don't sacrifice when you're hungry, either :P 02:43:44 Unless you have food stored up. 02:43:50 It was green 02:44:01 Oh, sorry. 02:44:06 Crawl's hunger mechanism is annoying. 02:44:15 Yup 02:44:24 (That's why I play ghouls, so I get HP for it. :p) 02:44:49 Nooo, offer it to Trog. 02:44:59 Oh, shit. My bad 02:45:16 Not a big deal. 02:45:21 (But you want that piety meter full.) 02:45:26 (Can you even do Hand of Trog right now?) 02:45:29 (Do a* to see.) 02:45:35 Oh, you can. 02:45:38 Apparently 02:45:38 Okay, then. 02:45:43 (Are you training invocations?) 02:45:49 Not yet 02:45:58 Might be worth doing that (and perhaps taking off armour.) 02:46:00 Sidenote, have to disconnect quickly. Getting off the wifi and onto wired 02:46:06 Ctrl+S then. 02:46:35 Are invocations under spell casting, then? 02:46:51 Oh. No. 02:46:57 ion: Can you not train invocations with Trog? 02:47:02 Hit * to show all skills. 02:47:03 It's been a while since I played a berserker. 02:47:08 And train armour. 02:47:11 Hmm, why was it hidden? 02:47:30 Probably because he hasn’t used it almost at all so far. 02:47:37 But he's on manual. 02:47:47 Maybe it's not worth training it. 02:47:49 That doesn’t affect which skills are shown by default. 02:48:43 Did he try m again yet? 02:48:46 I didn't watch for a second. 02:48:55 -!- Nihilist_ has joined. 02:49:00 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:49:24 -!- AndroUser has joined. 02:49:59 Computer dropped me into initramfs's ash after reboot after a nasty kernel panic 02:50:09 -!- AndroUser has changed nick to SgeoN1. 02:50:21 I thought you were Nihilist_ for a second. 02:50:27 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:50:27 -!- Nihilist_ has changed nick to NihilistDandy. 02:50:32 There we go 02:50:45 So, sacrifice or chop? 02:50:47 What does this mean? 02:51:25 SgeoN1: It means your system is fucked. 02:51:31 NihilistDandy: Sacrifice, I suppose. 02:51:36 Don't bother chopping unless you're hungry. 02:51:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:51:44 Eep. 02:51:46 Ogres are kinda nasty. 02:51:49 They hit hard. 02:51:56 You can probably berserk it. 02:52:03 No! 02:52:07 Never berserk when you're squares away! 02:52:13 It runs out fast, and even faster if you move. 02:52:19 I was showing my abilities for your benefit 02:52:25 Oh. 02:52:28 Sorry, then :) 02:52:32 lol 02:52:34 OK, berk. 02:52:46 Oh, that was easy. 02:52:48 Minotaurs are strong as heck. 02:52:50 Nice 02:52:58 Go for str. 02:53:01 You have enough int now. 02:53:36 Down again? 02:53:44 Elliott, any chance that hd might not be seated proprrly? 02:53:49 Being rhe issue? 02:53:53 NihilistDandy: You're having really bad axe issues. 02:53:58 SgeoN1: I don't see why, if it can load the initramfs and all. 02:54:00 Or would it not even get to here? 02:54:01 NihilistDandy: Yeah. 02:54:14 Aargh 02:54:32 il go use my windows comp 02:54:40 Gloves are nice. 02:55:07 Nice 02:55:07 Wow! 02:55:10 You finish putting on the +0 pair of gloves of Keuschite {rPois Str+3 Int+2 02:55:11 Stlth++}. 02:55:16 That's hella good. 02:55:23 If only they were +4 or something :) 02:56:03 -!- Deewiant has joined. 02:56:23 Pick up the heal wounds with ,. 02:56:40 You don't need to worry about non-ranged monsters when they're a few squares away. 02:56:53 Perhaps read-id that scroll, too. 02:57:08 (Also, you probably should have rested before going on, but you didn't lose much HP, so it's not a big deal.) 02:57:48 NihilistDandy: Orc wizards can be nasty. 02:57:59 (Orc priests moreso, since they can smite you, which really hurts.) 02:58:03 That % is a corpse. 02:58:20 c 02:59:17 Crimson imps are annoying but not especially dangerous. 02:59:19 They blink a lot. 02:59:44 So try to smash him before he gets away? 02:59:50 No. 02:59:54 Just spam tab and make sure you don't lose much HP. 03:00:04 (BTW, tab will also move you closer to monsters.) 03:00:13 So you can just tap it wildly until it dies. 03:00:19 There you go. 03:00:20 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:00:28 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:00:29 That is a good button to know 03:00:44 04:00 ??o 03:00:44 04:00 o[1/2]: This is the second-best button in Crawl. See {tab} for the best one. 03:00:44 04:00 ??tab 03:00:46 04:00 tab[1/2]: This is the second-best button in Crawl. See {o} for the best one. 03:01:06 Oh dear. 03:01:09 NihilistDandy: That's the ghost of another player. 03:01:09 I don't get it 03:01:15 One second. 03:01:24 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:01:25 elliptiott: That would be why Henzell knew nothing about it :/ 03:01:36 04:01 !log surr seam 03:01:36 04:01 7. Surr, XL7 SEAM, T:5113: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Surr/morgue-Surr-20120504-021257.txt 03:01:47 It's... probably fairly dangerous; I don't know much about elves. 03:01:49 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:01:51 Ask Patashu or ion. :p 03:02:01 Patashu: ion: Thoughts on Surr's ghost? 03:02:08 is it a spellcaster 03:02:16 Arcane Marskman 03:02:21 marskman :D 03:02:32 Surr's ghost (experienced Sludge Elf Arcane Marksman) comes into view. 03:02:40 oh 03:02:41 harmless 03:02:48 (probably) 03:02:49 TAB initiated 03:02:50 (maybe) 03:02:52 NihilistDandy: (Did you not rest before exploring more?) 03:02:53 ... 03:02:57 Don't tabspam. 03:03:02 Just... tab pitter-patter. 03:03:06 Fair enough 03:03:11 did he die 03:03:16 http://magiclampoon.com/blog/2012/05/03/avacyn-returns-brings-dice/ true story 03:03:16 NihilistDandy: Careful. 03:03:28 Not sure if I can damage him 03:03:28 If you lose any more health it's time to come up with a better plan. 03:03:31 You can. 03:03:39 Euhh. 03:03:42 New plan 03:03:47 Patashu: He's poisoned now. 03:03:57 NihilistDandy: You can quaff curing to stop being poisoned, but you haven't actually lost any more health yet. 03:04:12 I didn't say do it, but okay. :p 03:04:17 As I was typing: It might be worth quaffing heal wounds, though, but maybe you should wait until you lose some more HP. 03:04:20 But oh well. 03:04:25 Berserk 03:04:33 Yeah, try berking. 03:04:44 It doesn't seem to be much of a threat but it has too much HP for its own good. 03:04:45 No need to. 03:04:49 Done 03:04:59 All that axes skill is going to waste. :p 03:05:03 Nuh uh. 03:05:03 Rest up. 03:05:05 No, it isn’t. 03:05:18 OK, now go kill and eat something. 03:05:34 Don’t step on shafts. 03:06:02 Phantoms are like crimson imps, but more annoying 03:06:06 They should be removed. 03:06:32 Yay. 03:06:39 ion: Did you see those gloves? 03:06:43 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:06:46 Just saw them. Nice. 03:06:58 And drop the cursed plate armour. :-) 03:07:31 NihilistDandy: Worms can hit hard ...but you have a lot of HP, so it doesn't matter. 03:07:35 Uhh, maybe eat a meat ration. 03:07:38 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:07:44 Though you don't technically have to worry until you get to be starving. 03:07:58 But you can’t berserk if you’re too hungry. 03:08:11 Ring mail and a trident… whoo 03:08:14 L/ 03:08:19 *:/ 03:08:37 You're rolling in the loot. 03:09:04 FWIW, you're doing pretty impressively for your 4th game. 03:09:12 (Which will make your inevitably stupid death all the more crushing!) 03:09:18 Just as planned 03:09:29 Aha 03:09:38 Orcish hand axe +1 must be better, yes? 03:09:53 -!- qfr has quit (Changing host). 03:09:53 -!- qfr has joined. 03:10:03 The (+1) means there’s one more item in that place (hit !a to see it). 03:10:21 The orcish hand axe is probably not any better, because it is probably +0 and you are not an orc. 03:10:30 (Even if it was +1, your current axe is +1 too.) 03:10:31 Oh, nevermind 03:11:24 Perhaps id that ring. 03:11:24 The race prefix doesn’t mean much if your race doesn’t match it. Dwarven items are more durable against acid, though. 03:11:36 Ecumenical Temple? 03:11:38 The Temple has a bunch of altars so you can get a god. 03:11:54 You're with Trog, so (a) you don't need a god and (b) even if you wanted a god more than Trog, you're SOL, because Trog's wrath is nasty. 03:11:54 You might want to make your first stash in the temple. Monsters don’t spawn there (but they can follow you there). 03:12:08 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:12:40 Make sure to berserk bushes. 03:12:42 They're deadly. 03:12:50 ^W0 at the < to make a waypoint at that place. 03:12:56 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:13:04 ^G0 to return to it later. 03:13:07 Er. 03:13:08 Why? 03:13:09 You can just GT 03:13:24 ^G0 will keep working when you move the stash elsewhere. 03:13:35 He hasn't made a stash yet :P 03:13:41 How do I make a stash? 03:13:49 Just drop stuff? 03:13:53 yeah 03:14:17 At the moment you don’t need to since you’re strong and you’re not near the item number limit. 03:14:20 I'm not sure you have much worthless stuff to drop. 03:14:30 Doesn't look like it 03:14:44 (D< would also work to get out.) 03:14:57 Erm. 03:14:58 But later you’ll have more stuff you can carry at once, or scrolls of enchant blah you’ll want to stash so they won’t get burned etc. 03:14:58 G< 03:15:21 Kill the plants to get the stuff under them. 03:15:33 The ones with stuff under them. 03:15:55 (You can tell there's stuff under them because of the inversion.) 03:16:03 Headbutting bushes. 03:16:04 Hardcore. 03:16:05 So I gathered 03:16:10 Neato 03:16:12 NihilistDandy: Wands you can id by zapping at weak things. 03:16:18 (You don't need spellcasting skill for it.) 03:16:20 V to evoke. 03:16:24 (That means zap.) 03:16:32 I mean, before you enter inventory. 03:16:44 Huh? 03:16:48 Capital V. 03:16:53 Zap at the wall adjacent the K in a way that hits the K. 03:16:54 derp 03:16:55 . to confirm 03:16:56 My bad 03:16:59 That will identify wands of digging. 03:17:52 You can , that meat ration. 03:17:53 Yeah. 03:17:56 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )). 03:18:03 Careful now. 03:18:09 Once you start seeing a lot of red slow down with the tab spam. 03:18:15 That ) probably has an orc corpse for you. 03:18:20 Oh. 03:18:27 Explore a bit more, maybe you'll find something to eat. 03:18:34 CAREFUL. 03:18:39 Centaurs are nasty buggers at a distance. 03:18:46 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:18:47 Duck n-wards so that it has to run up to you. 03:18:53 And a roomful of shit is terrible, anyway 03:18:54 And be careful of gnolls. 03:19:07 Just . a bit to wait. 03:19:09 Also, you can force multiple enemies to fight you one by one by getting them to a narrow corridor. 03:19:13 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:19:22 Careful!!! 03:19:25 Gnolls are quite nasty. 03:19:29 Thoughts? 03:19:35 Go down one. 03:19:38 Retreat to a narrow corridor. 03:19:41 Yeah. 03:19:45 There's nothing faster than you, so press X. 03:19:50 (Capital.) 03:20:02 No, X again 03:20:03 Shift-down 03:20:07 X 03:20:09 Shift-j 03:20:13 wtf? 03:20:14 One that’s in an explored area and one that you can escape from if needed. 03:20:15 X 03:20:16 Capital X 03:20:17 Then 03:20:18 When you're *on* the map 03:20:22 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:20:28 It's to see where a narrow corridor is. 03:20:32 Shift-down 03:20:37 X_X 03:20:38 What are you doing? 03:20:50 And again, to scroll the map. 03:21:00 Right, so you can retrat to that corridor. 03:21:04 *retreat 03:21:12 (Centaurs are faster than you, though.) 03:21:15 Make sure to cut all the corners, or you'll waste turns and get hit. 03:21:19 ion: Yeah, but the centaur isn't in vision right now. 03:21:25 And he's being crowded by other stuff, anyway. 03:21:31 Oh, it is. 03:21:37 Well, sucks to be him. 03:21:45 Retreat again. 03:21:48 They can get to you diagonally.. 03:21:49 Go SW twice and then west. 03:21:50 That's an OK corridor. 03:21:54 Eh? 03:21:57 That horizontal corridor is fine. 03:21:59 There 03:22:08 Waste of time, but OK. 03:22:14 This one you can retreat away from. 03:22:17 to a known area 03:22:18 NO 03:22:21 Don't eat when fighting! 03:22:27 Starving lasts a while anyway. 03:22:29 Eating takes like 4 turns. 03:22:39 Berserk the gnoll, perhaps. 03:22:40 Stop. 03:22:43 OK, maybe don't. 03:22:46 You can’t while starving. 03:22:47 They just hit fairly hard. 03:22:49 Oh, right. 03:22:57 Meat or bread? 03:22:57 Perhaps you can eat their corpses? 03:23:01 There's a corpse, probably. 03:23:11 You'll probably need a ration as well, but you can eat all the corpses first 03:23:19 You don't want the spear. 03:23:29 OK, eat a meat ration. 03:23:31 It's more filling than bread IIRC. 03:23:37 Try the ring and the amulet. 03:23:41 Stop. 03:23:43 I thought they are the same. But i’m not sure. 03:23:44 You're low on health. 03:23:50 Rest up. 03:23:56 ion: The ring, really? 03:23:59 His existing rings are pretty good. 03:24:09 NihilistDandy: BTW, eX also works for iXe, and similarly PX for iXp. 03:24:19 “Meat weighs 8, is 5000 nutrition. Bread weighs 8, is 4400 nutrition.” 03:24:37 I guess the amulet does nothing 03:24:48 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:24:53 Not true. 03:24:58 It does something, it just didn’t get identified immediately. 03:25:00 It does something; you just don't know what yet. 03:25:03 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:25:03 You'll need to id it to find out. 03:25:12 It might be terrible. :) 03:25:13 Wearing it isn't enough? 03:25:30 This'll be fun 03:25:46 Not really. 03:25:48 Keep it on, it might still get identified if it affects something noticeably. 03:25:50 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:25:55 Gnolls aren't really dangerous; a pack of gnolls is. 03:26:28 That fuckin' imp 03:27:01 Food boutique... 03:27:15 It's probably overpriced rubbish, but check it out anyway. 03:27:16 Just hit o, it’ll go there. 03:27:18 (Autoexplore will for you.) 03:27:48 I wouldn’t buy anything, but it’s worth keeping in mind if you’re starving at some point without food and with extra cash. 03:27:57 Chokos are worthless. 03:28:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Obama–Biden_campaign_slogan) lol, the article got even tinier 03:28:47 hah 03:29:07 Henzell suggests that necrophages are not a huge deal? Or are they an enormous deal and Henzell is a master of understatement? 03:29:24 They're not a huge deal. 03:29:36 Note that they're yellow; you shouldn't trust the colours, but you can trust them if Henzell backs them up. 03:29:44 If anything, they tend to underrate. 03:29:48 Case in point: orc warriors can be quite scary. 03:29:54 Though probably not with the kind of strength you have. 03:30:04 Just wait in the corridor. 03:30:09 With 5. 03:30:14 Or don't. 03:30:16 Oh well. 03:30:35 Maybe berk the warrior if it gives you any trouble. 03:30:52 Just autoexplore if there's nothing in view. 03:31:00 noooo 03:31:09 Don’t fight them all at once 03:31:20 Better to heal, or run and pray? 03:31:36 Oh, what happened? 03:31:39 I look away for one minute. 03:31:43 OK, well, you're getting hit by the warrior's axes. 03:31:48 That's why you keep one in to a corridor. 03:31:49 Back up one. 03:31:58 Hit the orc. 03:32:09 Ehhh 03:32:10 Stop. 03:32:13 Quaff a heal wounds. 03:32:24 OK, zerk him. 03:32:33 You could quaff again but ehh. 03:32:47 Just heal up now and you're fine. 03:33:17 Eat what you need and offer the rest before resting, so they won’t spoil. 03:33:39 You can offer food? 03:34:19 corpses 03:34:21 to Trog 03:34:29 Fair enough. 03:35:08 Set character_set = unicode in your config for Unicode goodness. 03:35:13 Don't. 03:35:16 Do 03:35:21 It's already Unicodey by default. 03:35:24 unicode just makes the walls hideous. 03:35:29 (And the floors.) 03:35:37 They’re hideous now. :-P 03:35:59 f7u12 03:36:02 NihilistDandy: Relax. 03:36:05 It's behind glass. 03:36:09 It's Zin's angel. 03:36:18 Oh. 03:36:23 So leave, then? 03:36:26 Nope. 03:36:29 Just autoexplore 03:36:30 You can walk right up to it if you want. 03:36:33 It's Zin's sales agent. 03:36:37 lol 03:37:14 What's a rambutan? 03:37:25 Or rather, how good/shitty? 03:37:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambutan 03:37:33 Just keep it. 03:37:35 Food is food. 03:37:57 Yawn. 03:38:03 You can probably kill ogres like nobody's business now. 03:38:10 And so I can 03:38:14 What's your skills like? 03:38:25 Like this 03:38:35 Fair enough. ion might be able to advise about training more. 03:38:45 ion: Thoughts? 03:38:56 Unless you're doing this "homework" nonsense 03:39:13 In the past i’d have trained fighting as well, but i’m not sure what its effect is now. 03:39:21 I hear it was seriously nerfed. 03:39:29 But you could add it, and focus armour too. 03:39:43 With unarmed combat you’ll get better aux attacks with horns. I don’t know how good they are. 03:39:43 Like that? 03:39:46 Yeah. Train it up a bit, no harm done. 03:40:02 Which, UC or fighting? 03:40:02 You probably won’t need the others. 03:40:03 -!- Deewiant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:40:10 I meant fighting. 03:40:15 You can do unarmed combat later. 03:40:45 fighting[1/1]: The Fighting skill gives you a bonus to accuracy and damage in melee, and improves your hit points by ((1+racial_factor/10) * Fighting * XL) / 8 (see {hp}). 03:41:24 NihilistDandy: When kobolds throw stuff, back up like you did. 03:41:30 Then they have to run to you, and they're weaklings in melee. 03:41:40 Good to know 03:41:42 fighting gives almost no boost to combat 03:41:44 you take it for the extra hp 03:41:47 Ditto for centaurs. Hide from them until you can get next to them and then melee them. 03:41:56 and it gives almost no extra hp until xl16+ 03:41:59 so, don't train it until Later (tm) 03:42:03 Done exploring. Down again? 03:42:04 alright 03:42:22 Yeah, down. 03:42:24 Patashu: Oh, it doesn't? 03:42:28 NihilistDandy: Swap your fighting for UC. 03:42:43 Sky beasts are yawn. 03:42:44 Perhaps Patashu can tell us how useful UC is for a minotaur. 03:42:49 Though they can go invisible, which i sannoying. 03:42:49 I have no idea. 03:42:54 Not a problem if you get them in a corridor. 03:43:12 NihilistDandy: Just keep fighting upwards. 03:43:17 It's invisible, but it's not going anywhere :) 03:43:33 Don't bother. 03:43:36 Eat up. 03:43:43 The sky beast will be on its way. 03:44:03 You're nauseous; 5 a bit. 03:44:08 -!- Deewiant has joined. 03:44:30 Wow, it's a sky beast party. 03:44:58 Bah. 03:45:00 Eat a ration. 03:45:17 Or you'll just end up eating, hungry, eating, hungry, etc. 03:45:30 Wow, this is like the levl of annoying shit. 03:45:32 *level 03:46:11 Is your autopickup still off? 03:46:13 (Check with Ctrl+A.) 03:46:41 There should really be a status item for autopickup being off. 03:46:44 Don't need cards. 03:46:51 That's if you're going Nemelex, which you aren't, because Trog would get really upset. 03:47:00 No, he won’t. 03:47:10 Oh, you meant for switching religions. 03:47:11 NihilistDandy: Sacrifice those corpses, btw. 03:47:13 ion: Right. 03:47:16 Or don't. 03:47:20 Well, eat the other chunk. 03:47:27 Ah, sacrifice those two- sigh. 03:47:34 Aww, shit 03:47:36 Walk up to the centaur so it can't range you. 03:47:43 Then kill it, the orcs, get the amulet, money, then run up the upstairs. 03:47:51 Shit. 03:47:54 Dude. 03:47:57 You cannot use ranged attacks in that game in only one range? 03:48:00 If a name comes up on your screen, that's a bit scary :) 03:48:04 zzo38: You can, but it won't. 03:48:10 So… run? 03:48:12 NihilistDandy: See ??duvessa and ??dowan. 03:48:13 Or berk? 03:48:15 Nah. 03:48:16 Don’t run. 03:48:17 I would go berserk. 03:48:23 elliptiott: Then they need to fix it. 03:48:24 The orc priest will smite you from distance. 03:48:24 Hmm. 03:48:28 Yeah, go bersrek. 03:48:32 Please. 03:48:39 And attack l and n 03:48:45 Be careful. 03:48:48 And one of the es is a mage, {,s}he’ll probably have some ranged spells, too. 03:48:48 Dowan will be mad as hell. 03:49:01 Lucky. 03:49:05 Well, not really. 03:49:10 But I'm scared of those two. 03:49:20 Eat some of them corpses before resint.g 03:49:22 *resting. 03:49:24 They'll be rotten now. 03:49:30 ,, to see the items as a list. 03:50:13 Nothing worth picking up. 03:50:15 OK, get the amulet and money and scroll, then eat up some more. 03:50:19 Except the glowing axe. 03:50:22 Oh. 03:50:22 have no bigger axes spawned yet? 03:50:24 Duh. 03:50:29 NihilistDandy: Actually, you could probably stay on this level, and then go up once you've explored it all. 03:50:42 NihilistDandy: Pick up the amulet and money while waiting for the nausea to end. 03:50:43 what's the "? amulet of inaccuracy? 03:50:44 And the axe. 03:50:46 Then wield the axe. 03:50:51 Patashu: We don't know. 03:50:54 oh 03:51:06 amulet of who-da-fuck-knows 03:51:18 Dude. 03:51:20 The " is the amulet. 03:51:21 Get it. 03:51:26 ^F. to get a list of everything on this level. 03:51:27 What are you even doing..., 03:51:34 Am I missing this amulet? 03:51:35 s/,$// 03:51:36 NihilistDandy: Yes. 03:51:37 It's the blue " 03:51:48 The scroll is the ?. 03:51:48 Got it 03:51:52 wear test the amulet 03:51:58 I’d just go up and take care of the unfinished level, though. 03:52:02 You don't have any curses to remove, though. 03:52:07 Patashu: He already has an mulet on. 03:52:10 *an amulet 03:52:13 wear test the new one 03:52:18 cool 03:52:21 Oh, that's not bad. 03:52:21 Does it have a scroll or potion to add a curse? 03:52:21 Nice 03:52:22 Keep that on. 03:52:28 try wielding your new axe 03:52:34 if you hit some things with it 03:52:36 Wield the axe, go <, then eat a meat ration. 03:52:37 you'll learn its plusses 03:52:46 Be sure not to remove the amulet of faith, you’ll lose a bunch of piety that way. But you’ll gain piety (and get awesome gifts sooner) wearing it. 03:53:00 gain piety faster, that is. 03:53:03 OK, continue exploring happily :) 03:53:18 In ADOM it is possible to curse items if you have a cursed watery potion or a cursed scroll of uncursing, but there isn't any good ways to guaranteed to get those things. 03:53:32 NihilistDandy: Next time you see something weak, zap-test those wands. 03:53:41 Shall do 03:53:46 There are scrolls to curse stuff, yeah. 03:53:48 zzo38: what items would you deliberately curse in adom? 03:53:50 One is lightning 03:54:01 The wands you don't know :) 03:54:16 Adders count as weak. 03:54:21 hey, more wands 03:54:22 Whoops 03:54:22 Wait, since when is your axe cursed? 03:54:23 Forgot 03:54:29 he read a scroll of curse weapon 03:54:31 elliptiott: Read a scroll 03:54:34 Oh well. 03:54:42 oh hey 03:54:44 Can you ^Faxe? I'm shocked nothing amazing has turned up. 03:54:44 a an gore 03:54:46 btw 03:54:48 ogres hit very hard 03:54:55 except when they don't 03:54:55 He knows. 03:54:58 ok 03:55:00 not his first ogre? 03:55:02 Patashu: Potion of exchange is usually better when cursed (if you are using it carefully!), if your character is dark elf then spider bread is better cursed, and sometimes you may curse something so that when you sell it and then purchase it again later, it doesn't cost as much money. 03:55:04 Third, I think. 03:55:05 it's always the first one that gets you 03:55:14 NihilistDandy: Rest up a bit, man. 03:55:33 Ugh. 03:55:34 oh hey 03:55:37 Noooo 03:55:38 Stop, stop, stop. 03:55:42 Stop! 03:55:42 Retreat 03:55:43 STOP! 03:55:43 lawl 03:55:50 how can he stop 03:55:51 he's so diesel 03:55:51 Patashu: Do you believe these things? 03:55:55 zzo38: I do 03:55:58 It's dying... 03:56:03 NihilistDandy: You didn't know that. 03:56:07 It could have been insanely powerful. 03:56:10 That's why you check the log first. 03:56:18 And these are not the only reasons to curse things. 03:56:31 Hit _, you have an (old by now) message from me. 03:56:41 :P 03:57:02 Ogre party! 03:57:05 And a book to burn. 03:57:10 Burn the book when an O is over it. 03:57:17 Bit late. 03:57:20 NihilistDandy: rest up 03:57:27 You gotta learn to look at your HP meter before hitting o. 03:57:46 BTW, Trog's Hand is a useful ability you haven't used yet; it makes your HP regenerate faster and gives you some magic resistance. 03:57:54 It's useful in slower-burning fights than you'd use berserk with. 03:58:00 Also, you should probably eat a ration. 03:58:56 Huh. 03:59:00 What is that centaur doing with a wand? 03:59:02 so this is pretty much #whateverthefuck-dungeon-game now? 03:59:07 But I suppose, there might also be reasons for cursing items when doing some kind of challenge games too 03:59:07 centaurs can have wands randomly 03:59:10 kmc: For now! 03:59:18 NihilistDandy started playing after watching me. 03:59:43 NihilistDandy: Zap-test those wands on that K. 03:59:47 And I am doing mildly well, with elliott's guidance and occasional screaming 03:59:53 Also patashu and ion 03:59:58 Hey, you should see my fifth game. 04:00:09 N.B. I'm still terrible, but I've absorbed others' wisdom. 04:00:21 That kobold is your friend now. 04:00:25 Nice 04:00:26 You should probably zap it with the other wand. 04:00:37 (It won't stay your friend for long and also it's weak as hell, so cruelty is fine..) 04:00:43 You need to aim it at the kobold this time. 04:00:45 Since it's your friendd. 04:00:46 Remember to zap the wall adjacent to the monster in a way that hits the monster to identify wands of digging. 04:01:34 _-_ 04:02:05 _-_ 04:02:07 wat 04:02:20 I worried I had been teleported to another floor 04:02:22 Luckily not 04:02:24 Oh, no. 04:02:32 Apples, limes 04:02:33 Teleport traps are harmless unless there's dangerous stuff on the level. 04:02:43 What's with Computer Science people and fruit? 04:02:49 NihilistDandy: You're two stars away from full piety, btw. 04:02:57 I'm pretty pumped about it 04:04:00 Orcish Mines. Neat 04:04:05 Bad, though, yes? 04:04:18 The orcish mines are fun - but. 04:04:25 General wisdom is to do them after the Lair. 04:04:30 They contain: 04:04:33 (a) a shitload of orcs 04:04:37 (b) a sometimes-scary final level. 04:04:43 Increasingly bad. The last level of branches tends to be much harder than the ones before it, too. 04:04:45 And not all orcs are as easy as the three you've encountered. 04:04:46 Fair enough 04:05:02 Fuckin' A 04:05:03 orcish mines can randomly be really hard. the lair can randomly be really hard as well, but when orcish mines is hard you get boulders thrown at you 04:05:05 You'd want a double-digit XL, at the very least. 04:05:08 when lair is hard you just have to run real fast 04:05:32 I don't know how dangerous Maurice is. 04:05:35 I think I've killed him, though. 04:05:57 Apparently he steals and teleports. 04:06:00 maurice isn't bad 04:06:01 just blinks 04:06:03 So maybe you should zap confusion at him. 04:06:08 (After getting closer.) 04:06:22 ...after getting closer. 04:06:25 Anyway, he might have high MR. 04:06:38 Meh. 04:06:45 Ugh. 04:07:00 Got him 04:07:01 Not bad. 04:07:19 Runed cloak is good news, though 04:07:21 Try the cloak. 04:07:24 Runed isn't necessarily good. 04:07:26 But it might be good. 04:07:33 It's the I. 04:07:38 If you used W, you wouldn't have to mentally filter things ;) 04:07:41 I was checking for curse stuff 04:07:46 Ah 04:07:49 Might want to uncurse my sword 04:08:03 Or should I save it for more important stuff? 04:08:31 Sword? 04:08:34 Why do you have a sword? 04:08:37 Axe :/ 04:08:43 Oh. Don't bother until you have something better. 04:08:50 Put the runed cloak on. 04:08:53 I'm just a berserker, what kind of intelligence do you want from me? :D 04:08:59 Can Map be made a monad if the keys is monoid? Can it be applicative if the keys is monoid? 04:09:00 Capital W. 04:09:10 Good! 04:09:18 Poison resistance is useful. 04:09:28 cloak of poison resistance? nice 04:09:30 now don't die 04:09:36 Patashu: Have you seen his gloves? 04:09:43 NihilistDandy: Eat that corpse then show Patashu your gloves. 04:09:51 oh, haha 04:09:57 already had it :) 04:09:58 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:10:03 But now he has more! 04:10:11 rpois doesn't stack, unfortunately 04:10:15 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:10:19 IT FEELS BETTER THOUGH 04:10:34 PHOOLUCIUMM 04:10:46 Have you got any wands to test? 04:10:50 Yeah, one 04:10:54 Go for it. 04:11:07 Neat 04:11:11 BTW, since you know a lot of scrolls now, when you go to read-test one, use \ to see which items you know (and - to invert it to see ones you don't know). 04:11:12 -!- shubshub has joined. 04:11:19 Some of them are nasty, so you can see what it might be. 04:11:25 Does the game have any mode which makes all items to be initially cursed? 04:11:32 No. 04:11:43 if you like having your entire inventory cursed, you can do an ossuary portal vault 04:11:54 Cursed and full of shit, no less. 04:12:01 NihilistDandy: It's yours. 04:12:04 That's what the green background means. 04:12:08 Pet it and show it love. 04:12:09 Oh, neat 04:12:13 It's kind of useless though. 04:12:20 Is there a show love button? Or is that humor? 04:12:22 And make sure it’s next to you when you use stairs. 04:12:31 NihilistDandy: It's humour. Quite different. 04:12:36 ion: Or just ignore it and let it evaporate. 04:12:40 Ah, ouf course 04:12:42 It won’t evaporate. 04:12:50 It won't? 04:12:52 I thought they did. 04:12:54 It won’t. 04:12:57 4 stars 04:13:02 You dropped one. 04:13:03 I think. 04:13:08 Sacrifice more corpses. Except you're hungry. 04:13:12 This is why I hate Crawl's hunger system. 04:13:14 Huh. More people live in New York City than live in Norway. 04:13:43 I hate crawl's hunger system too 04:13:46 So, down another level? 04:13:56 Oh, shit 04:13:57 You haven’t explored this one yet. 04:14:01 Not done exploring, after all 04:14:02 Wights are kinda yawn. 04:14:12 s/exploring/exploding/ 04:14:40 Patashu: Yeah, I only play things with different hunger mechanics (can eat corpses while not hungry, gets HP from eating, etc.) now. 04:14:47 For now, at least. 04:14:54 Sky beasts… (╯ಠ益ಠ)╯︵ ┻━┻ 04:15:02 NihilistDandy: You have a corridor. 04:15:04 Back into it and wait. 04:15:13 Huh. 04:15:17 Well, never mind. 04:15:17 You can make sure it goes into a corner and it won’t be able to hide from you. 04:15:20 Just autoexplore some more. 04:15:50 Et the corpse and let your abomination chase the beast. 04:16:41 nihilistdandy: You might want to set easy_eat_chunks = true, easy_eat_gourmand = true, auto_eat_chunks = true. 04:16:51 Settings are for the weak. 04:16:58 ion: (That's not a good idea if you worship a corpse-loving God, surely.) 04:17:03 It is. 04:17:07 Strictly speaking, I have no idea where to do that 04:17:09 elliptiott, they help a lot 04:17:19 it doesn't butcher for you 04:17:20 it eats chunks for you 04:17:27 NihilistDandy: You edit it in the pre-game menu. 04:17:31 Ah 04:17:33 Patashu: Fair enough. 04:17:33 My config diffed against the defaults: https://github.com/ion1/crawl-config/compare/master-base...master#files_bucket 04:18:06 NihilistDandy: 05:18 erolcha[2/2]: erolcha is your "crawl can and will try to kill you" warning 04:18:07 A unique ogre magess spawned with a random set of spells, which include friendly things like banishment to the Abyss, paralysis, and LCS. Do not underestimate her 04:18:18 I don't have much Erolcha experience, so ask ion and Patashu. 04:18:21 So… leave? 04:18:31 ion: Patashu: Erolcha halp pls? 04:18:34 Well, you could run downstairs, but she's probably worth a lot of XP. :p 04:18:39 But be careful, you could die. 04:18:55 Probably not worth trying the confusion wand 04:18:59 erolcha? 04:19:00 nice 04:19:03 well, first thing to do is 04:19:04 step backwards 04:19:07 next, hand 04:19:20 NihilistDandy: (He means Hand of Trog.) 04:19:22 sting, huh? 04:19:23 hang on 04:19:23 It's one of your god abilities. 04:19:24 Ah 04:19:31 stone arrow (3d12), sting (d8), blink, b.lightning (3d14), banishment, minor healing. 04:19:34 this is her spellset today 04:19:43 Banishment, eh? 04:19:45 yup 04:19:46 hence hand 04:19:51 I wonder if Brothers in Arms would be worth it. 04:19:53 But yeah, Trog's Hand time. 04:19:54 yes 04:19:55 Hand affects banishment? 04:19:58 ion: MR 04:19:59 yeah 04:20:01 gives MR 04:20:02 Ah 04:20:10 Brothers in Arms now, perhaps? 04:20:10 -!- shubshub has quit (Quit: R.I.P). 04:20:12 36% failure rate, but... 04:20:25 it won't be a very good BIA due to low piety, but it's worth trying 04:20:30 Make that 41%. 04:20:37 NihilistDandy: (It summons a monster to help you.) 04:20:43 Try it, anyway? 04:20:43 It costs piety, though, and you’ll want to get gifts. Perhaps berserking is enough. 04:20:59 NihilistDandy: Yes, try it. 04:21:04 You can get piety back easy; you can't undie. 04:21:08 Try it again. 04:21:15 nice 04:21:16 Excellent. 04:21:18 now walk towards her slowly 04:21:27 Zap a wand at her? 04:21:30 yeah 04:21:34 try confusion 04:21:42 Ha 04:21:42 wow 04:21:45 small abomination tanked her 04:21:51 how is that even possible lol 04:21:51 hang on 04:21:54 That's crazy 04:21:55 That's... odd. 04:21:58 At least you have a berserk ogre friend. 04:22:02 oh wow 04:22:05 a small abomination is about as tough as erolcha 04:22:07 except erolcha has spells 04:22:11 Really? 04:22:12 That's awesome :D 04:22:14 I thought they were useless. 04:22:16 NihilistDandy: Hang on to that guy. 04:22:20 Erolcha (O) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 6 | HP: 54 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 20 | Fl: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: magic(56) | Chunks: contam | XP: 804 | Sp: lots 04:22:20 Did Erolcha use any spells just now? 04:22:24 small abomination (x) | Spd: 7-15 | Int: plant | HD: 6 | HP: 14-40 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 23 | Fl: undead, evil | Res: magic(40), poison, drown, rot+++, neg+++, torm | Vul: holy++ | XP: 141. 04:22:27 Just Sting 04:22:28 she casted sting once and that was it 04:22:32 her HD is low so she doesn't cast very often 04:22:33 Patashu: Twice 04:22:34 but when she casts she means business 04:22:37 But still 04:22:38 Nothing 04:22:44 Well, that was fun. 04:22:53 Your abomination took the hit, though. 04:22:54 you want to always act as though you have worst case erolcha, anyway 04:23:15 You might want to rest a bit so your x will heal. 04:23:20 NihilistDandy: If you run into anything tougher than the average monster, and you're in a corridor, swap places with your x. 04:23:26 So it can -- haven't seen Psyche before. 04:23:29 -- do some of your fighting for you. 04:23:33 ion: Do they heal? 04:23:39 yes 04:23:41 Psyche (@) | Spd: 13 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 5 | HP: 39 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 7 | Fl: spellcaster | Res: magic(26) | Chunks: contam | XP: 371 | Sp: throw frost (3d6), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d6), magic dart (3d4), invisibility. 04:23:45 05:23 psyche[1/2]: A purple unique magess that is generally unremarkable in both dungeon spawn location and ability, but can still be quite dangerous when she hastes herself and unloads a wand or chaos dagger on you. Or in the 25% of the time that her dagger is distortion. 04:23:49 and I think she's likely ot have a dagger of chaos 04:23:53 Meh; swap places with the x and wait to see. 04:23:53 oh, or distortion 04:24:05 You'll see if it's chaos or disto. 04:24:07 NihilistDandy: Press . 04:24:09 To skip 04:24:10 Not 5 04:24:14 Eek. 04:24:15 It's chaos. 04:24:16 Be careful. 04:24:28 "Be careful" =/= "run up and melee her", for god's sake. 04:24:28 lucky 04:24:33 haha 04:24:37 05:24 chaos brand[1/9]: Imitates other brands, or can heal, polymorph, berserk, haste, invisify, petrify, paralyse, torment, cause miscasts and probably do a lot more to enemies. Added in 0.5, only gifted by Xom, Xom's vault guards, found on Pan lords, or on the uniques Crazy Yiuf (always) or Psyche (sometimes). 04:24:42 She got boxed in by the ant 04:24:50 NihilistDandy: Will that help you if you become an ant? 04:24:55 Or get paralysed? 04:25:00 No. But that will be hilarious 04:25:15 Should I take that dagger? 04:25:19 Or… something? 04:25:26 Maybe. 04:25:35 BTW, Trog doesn't care about what corpses you give it, just that you give corpses. 04:25:35 weapons of chaos aren't particularly useful 04:25:43 since you can't use them on anything tough for fear of hasting/zerking them 04:25:44 Patashu: Will anything else pick it up? 04:25:47 probably 04:25:51 Right. 04:25:51 Well, you might pick it up so no-one else gets it on the level, and drop it before going to the next level. 04:25:53 elliptiott: I know, but I figured he liked mages better 04:25:54 NihilistDandy: Pick it up just in case. 04:26:01 You can stash it somewhere if your inventory gets full. 04:26:13 Robe? 04:26:20 Nope, it’s a light armour. 04:26:25 NihilistDandy: Chaos fun: 05:26 chaos brand[4/9]: Gastronok fails to defend himself. You open Gastronok like a pillowcase!!! Gastronok suddenly stops moving! Gastronok is heavily wounded. Gastronok fails to defend himself. You open Gastronok like a pillowcase!!! You kill Gastronok! Gastronok instantly turns into a zombie! Your dagger of chaos parrots the noises around you. 04:26:40 lol 04:26:47 I love any game message with more than two exclamation marks. 04:26:56 ??pillowcase 04:27:03 This isn't ##crawl. 04:27:06 What does yellow mean, again? 04:27:13 05:27 pillowcase[1/1]: Linley Henzell doesn't know how to open these. 04:27:15 :D 04:27:17 NihilistDandy: Nothing much. 04:27:18 contaminated, but eatable 04:27:23 Oh, really? 04:27:25 Thought so 04:27:26 I never knew that! 04:27:28 yes 04:27:29 white = clean 04:27:31 I keep getting nausea all the time :/ 04:27:33 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:27:35 yellow = contaminated (MAY make you nauseous) 04:27:36 Don't eat that, then :) 04:27:45 green = poisonous (can't eat without rpois) 04:27:45 But you're hungry, so. 04:27:53 purple = mutagenic (will give you a random mutation instead of nutrition) 04:27:54 NihilistDandy: Oh, right, you can eat greens now. 04:28:01 red = bad (I don't want to know what happens if you try to eat this) 04:28:03 What's more, you can go down! 04:28:04 green turns white when you have rpois 04:28:07 Done with this level 04:28:15 -!- atehwa has joined. 04:29:17 When in the situation @.X where X is an enemy, don’t move toward her. Let her move toward you. You’ll get the first hit. 04:29:25 ion: Do you have that on a macro? 04:29:31 ion: Good point. 04:29:33 NihilistDandy: That's not better than what you're wearing. 04:29:43 Your armour is really good. 04:29:50 elliott: I’m starting to feel like i should. :-P 04:30:02 Red 5 will forever be burned in my memory as the most annoying thing besides a gray I 04:30:06 -!- elliptiott has changed nick to elliott. 04:30:14 NihilistDandy: Blue p is a bit more annoying. 04:30:19 Like I said, don't bother to think with crimson imps. 04:30:25 Just keep whacking tab until it stops existing. 04:30:30 Unless something terrible happens. 04:30:30 I suppose that's true. Phantoms suck 04:30:47 Did I mention tab can also handle the moving-efficiently-towards-an-enemy for you? 04:30:48 Back up. 04:30:52 why is unarmed combat on, btw 04:30:58 Patashu: Horns. 04:31:01 We asked you whether it was worthwhile. 04:31:08 oh 04:31:09 it really isn't 04:31:13 NihilistDandy: Turn off UC. :p 04:31:16 You headbutt the centaur! 04:31:17 You kill the centaur! 04:31:18 I'd rather pump axes 04:31:23 Seemed to work with the centaur rather nicely. :-P 04:31:25 ion: it does that much damage regardless of UC skill 04:31:43 NihilistDandy: Yeah, maybe de-focus armour. 04:31:48 Your AC/EV is good. 04:31:53 Leave it on, but defocus it. 04:31:59 (Is there a better term for "focus"?) 04:32:23 untransmogrify 04:32:39 Nice 04:32:48 Do you have anything to identify? 04:32:54 Oh, the amulet you're not wearing. 04:33:00 And the ring, I... suppose. 04:33:05 use your ID on potions if you have any 04:33:05 Oh, and potions. 04:33:08 id the potions. 04:33:21 Quaff gain intelligence. 04:33:37 man 04:33:39 you're one smart zerker 04:33:43 Yeah. :D 04:33:47 He could spellcast, were it not for the heavy armour. 04:33:50 obviously you should ditch trog and learn some spells 04:33:50 ME SOOOO SMARRRRT 04:34:00 trog won't mind, honest. he won't send berserk stone giants after you, honest 04:34:09 Just spellcast WITH TROG. 04:34:12 hahahaha 04:34:14 trog won't mind! 04:34:15 yes 04:34:15 Actually, I guess 10 Int is average human intelligence 04:34:22 MiBes are badass enough to spellcast even if their gods hate it. 04:34:26 crawl doesn't follow the D&D stat scales 04:34:32 You wouldn't let any puny god stop you using magic, right? 04:34:37 CRUSH GOD 04:34:57 I like how Trog doesn't mind wands. 04:35:02 NihilistDandy: Goliath beetles hit hard. 04:35:03 But they're slow. 04:35:06 They're really tedious to fight. 04:35:07 Confusion wand 04:35:13 Just whack it and stop if it hurts you. 04:35:17 Or, yeah. 04:35:22 for goliath bettles 04:35:24 Well, that didn't help. 04:35:30 haha 04:35:34 What's that potion? 04:35:36 well, when you're not diesel 04:35:44 goliath beetles hit really hard but only act every other turn 04:35:46 SO DIESEL 04:35:50 so you can hit them once, step back, . until they're next to you and repeat 04:35:52 NihilistDandy the Cleaver 04:35:55 `quote hack and back 04:35:56 diesel lite 04:35:58 839) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 04:35:58 ealy game diesel 04:36:36 Wyverns are just, like, wyverns, you know? 04:36:52 Nice cornering. 04:37:03 lol 04:37:29 Stay where you are. 04:37:31 Just pick em off one by one. 04:37:36 You didn't do the waiting thing. 04:37:38 ion: Macro time. 04:37:52 does the orc warrior have a polearm? 04:38:01 (Press Ctrl+P to see previous messages) 04:38:09 battleaxe, cool 04:38:13 you'll want that once you pry it from his cold dead hands 04:38:13 :) 04:38:17 Yeah, just whack it. 04:38:21 Wait, don't advance. 04:38:22 Sigh. 04:38:27 When in the situation @.X where X is an enemy, don’t move toward her. Let her move toward you. You’ll get the first hit. 04:38:28 he's fine 04:38:29 too diesel 04:38:29 It's OK, I do it too. 04:38:36 Yeah, get that axe. 04:38:41 take the battleaxe; wield the battleaxe 04:38:46 if there's any plate armour wear that too 04:38:48 Patashu: Uncurse the current axe first. 04:38:48 uncurse your hand axe 04:38:51 Currently finding the battleaxe 04:38:54 Patashu: Plate armour? Naw. 04:38:59 +0 plate is worse than his +4 splint. 04:39:11 Not splint 04:39:18 Eh? 04:39:20 Doesn't he have splint? 04:39:37 Sacrifice that corpse. 04:39:39 Yay. 04:39:40 I thought it was a +4 scale mail. 04:39:43 You got a star of piety. 04:39:49 Oh, chain. 04:39:53 OK, I guess the plate might be better. 04:39:54 oh 04:39:57 at ****** he'll start giving you good axes 04:40:00 monqy: Stop for a second. 04:40:01 Err 04:40:02 NihilistDandy: 04:40:06 Let me check your current AC/EV to compare before/after. 04:40:12 18/10 04:40:13 AC 18, EV 10. 04:40:16 OK, wear the B. 04:40:28 heh 04:40:30 It's worse. 04:40:32 it's minus one EV but 04:40:34 you'll have more GDR 04:40:36 so imo it's better 04:40:36 Fair enough. 04:40:38 GDR? 04:40:43 Maybe focus armour training some more? 04:40:49 fyi 04:40:50 gdr[1/1]: Guaranteed damage reduction versus melee attacks, conferred by body armor. Formula is 14 * sqrt(base AC-2)%. This percentage applies to the maximum potential damage for an attack, not the actual damage rolled. However, GDR will prevent at most AC/2 damage. 04:40:54 Thanks 04:40:57 also 04:40:59 focus axes only 04:41:01 since you have a battleaxe now 04:41:04 and you need to get it to mindelay 04:41:07 Fair enough. 04:41:09 Remove armour entirely? 04:41:14 20 axes for mindelay battleaxe 04:41:15 yeah 04:41:17 focus on axes until 20 04:41:19 then do what you want 04:41:20 NihilistDandy: Wield that battlexae. 04:41:26 Yay. 04:41:29 Go and kill things. 04:41:31 =isa to make it the letter a. 04:41:39 Do what ion said. 04:41:41 Drop the hand axes. 04:41:52 Let's use foot axes instead, please. 04:41:55 You can switch between wielding a and b with ' 04:42:01 NihilistDandy: Do you have any scrolls of enchant armour or whatever? 04:42:04 That would be nice right now. 04:42:06 Or enchant weapon. 04:42:17 I’d spare them for even better stuff. 04:42:20 zzo38: axe body spray is far more useful against miasma 04:42:20 Shame. 04:42:30 quintopia: OK, then use that instead. 04:42:35 Drop the chain? 04:42:40 yeah 04:42:43 zzo38: crawl does not have foot axes, but it does have curse toes 04:42:52 and death cobs 04:42:59 and moths of mundanity 04:43:06 Drop the cursed ring, or identify for possible bittersweet goodness? 04:43:07 NihilistDandy: You can find all that stuff later with Ctrl+F. 04:43:12 Keep the ring, it's not hurting anything. 04:43:13 it might be useful but cursed 04:43:14 or it might be hunger 04:43:15 keep it around 04:43:42 NOT THE FEARSOME HOBGOBLIN 04:43:44 YOU'RE DOOOOOMED 04:43:48 Holy shit, nice ace 04:43:50 *axe 04:43:59 Well, hobgoblins are always weaklings. :p 04:44:04 it's okay 04:44:15 when trog starts gifting you'll get a branded battle or exec 04:44:15 +1 is the best weapon I've seen. Give me a break 04:44:21 Sweet 04:44:23 Just wait until you get an executioner’s axe of venom. :-) 04:44:36 Identify non-cursed first 04:44:43 Which one? 04:44:46 any 04:44:53 lame 04:45:01 ring of teleport isn't completely useless 04:45:01 What was it? 04:45:05 you can evoke it for teleport on demand 04:45:08 That gives you teleportitis. 04:45:15 Only when you wear it 04:45:16 it gives you teleportitis AND evoke for teleport 04:45:17 in crawl 04:45:17 Right. 04:45:17 yeah 04:45:25 But teleportitis is still annoying as a long-term thing :) 04:45:29 Yaaaak 04:45:35 NihilistDandy: Yaks hit hard but they're boring. 04:45:43 They're basically like ogres with horns. 04:45:49 Step back. 04:45:50 Yeah. 04:45:53 You can zerk them. 04:45:58 Since they hit hard. 04:46:04 Zerking gives you extra HP as well as the strength. 04:46:18 Yaks also have hugs corpses! 04:46:18 it multiples your current hp by 1.333... when you use it 04:46:19 *huge 04:46:21 so a late zerk is pointless 04:46:25 Patashu: It wasn't late. 04:46:28 right 04:46:31 just for future reference 04:46:34 zerk early or don't zerk 04:46:36 Eat eat eat. 04:46:58 Good to know 04:47:05 Stop. 04:47:11 hydra \o/ 04:47:11 | 04:47:11 >\ 04:47:13 I think axes chop hydrae heads. 04:47:15 yep 04:47:18 Which means you'll be left with a more-headed hydra. 04:47:19 anything sharp will do it 04:47:21 Which delivers more damage. 04:47:28 Zap? 04:47:28 fun, isn't it 04:47:32 I'm not sure what minotaurs should do in this situation. 04:47:34 Perhaps brothers in arms. 04:47:35 bia 04:47:35 Use the wands or/and get reinforcements. 04:47:39 Yeah. 04:47:44 Do BIA first, since you're right next to it, perhaps. 04:47:47 and hope for something good 04:47:56 that'll do 04:47:57 Nice 04:48:00 it has a club so it won't make more heads 04:48:03 hah 04:48:06 lol 04:48:08 well, it's hurt badly now 04:48:10 so that wasn't a waste 04:48:15 Try zapping. 04:48:16 you can probably zerk it to death now 04:48:19 or confuse it sure 04:48:24 hmm 04:48:25 I was thinking disintegration. 04:48:27 use lightning 04:48:29 or disint 04:48:29 Or that. 04:48:31 doesn't matter 04:48:33 Disintegration is bloodier. 04:48:39 true 04:48:47 nice 04:48:47 Yay! 04:48:56 (those are chunks of hydra you blew across the room) 04:48:56 Pre-chunked, too. 04:49:21 A roguelike with gibs is the funniest thing. 04:49:38 Tabtabtabtabatbaatb 04:50:20 Back up, silly. 04:50:39 NihilistDandy: How many turns in are you? 04:50:40 (% to see.) 04:50:56 10053 04:50:56 Cool. 04:51:00 Feels like more. 04:51:47 . 04:51:47 . 04:51:48 . 04:51:49 . 04:51:50 you know how jellies work 04:51:51 Careful. 04:51:55 No. 04:51:57 He doesn't. 04:51:59 NihilistDandy: Jellies corrode weapons, armour. 04:52:00 Blast it with a wand from distance. 04:52:02 They are annoying as shit. 04:52:06 ion: Why did you tell him to drop all his axes? 04:52:13 He could use a backup right now. 04:52:13 elliot: it would just eat all the axes 04:52:19 elliott: BIA, wands 04:52:20 see how it eats things? 04:52:21 Patashu: I didn't mean throw. 04:52:22 when it eats it heals 04:52:23 I meant melee. 04:52:23 oh 04:52:25 aah 04:52:28 just use wands on it 04:52:30 this is what wands are for imo 04:52:36 Disintegration! 04:52:37 I love guts. 04:52:45 And again. 04:53:03 Yay. 04:53:05 cool 04:53:07 for future reference 04:53:12 you should have retreated north instead of south 04:53:15 so you could have -kept- retreating indefinitely 04:53:20 (jellies are slower than you) 04:53:25 Yeah, my bad. Wasn't thinking 04:53:30 Enchant weapon! 04:53:37 You *could* save it but considering how rare axes are this game... 04:54:03 trog will gift him -plenty- of axes 04:54:03 He’ll get plenty from Trog in a while. 04:54:03 soon 04:54:09 trog won't be able to fucking stop 04:54:27 or the other way around 04:54:40 You're kinda wasting permafood... but I don't blame you, because Crawl's hunger sucks. 04:54:53 try not to eat permafood 04:54:56 unless it's a fruit, then no one cares 04:54:57 Next level? 04:55:03 I just ate a rambutan 04:55:05 Fruit 04:55:10 Yeah, next level. 04:55:12 Drop the chaos dagger first. 04:55:14 You're more than strong enough. 04:55:21 You can probably tabspam this lot. 04:55:24 ion: Eh, no need. 04:55:33 Whoa. 04:55:47 CAREFUL 04:55:48 nooooo 04:55:52 STOP 04:55:54 ahaha 04:55:55 what is it 04:55:56 I want to see 04:56:02 Wights drained him and there's an ogre. 04:56:08 and he keeps tabbing :-P 04:56:09 oh wow 04:56:10 look at all the things 04:56:19 So, thoughts? 04:56:21 I was the one who told him to tab them. But these wights are vicious. :( 04:56:22 is he standing on the staircase right now? 04:56:24 Yes. 04:56:28 fun 04:56:29 hmm 04:56:32 But will he survive an ascent? 04:56:35 probably not 04:56:37 Perhaps quaff heal wounds and then berserk. 04:56:41 (Don't do that right away.) 04:56:41 Stop 04:56:43 It was 04:56:44 Drink heal wounds, BIA, berserk? 04:56:45 an idea 04:56:47 for vetting 04:56:49 Yeah, try BIA. 04:56:51 what I would do is 04:56:52 step one sw 04:56:55 so you're in a better position 04:57:02 Then BIA. :p 04:57:14 sw again 04:57:21 BIA again, perhaps. 04:57:21 hit the wight that's next to you 04:57:24 or that 04:57:26 Or that. 04:57:28 OK, that's good. 04:57:31 ok, situation's diffused now 04:57:36 *defused? 04:57:39 Defused. 04:57:46 NihilistDandy: Lesson to be learned here: don't necessarily trust me when I say you might be able to tabspam something :) 04:57:49 Go up the upstairs to rest. 04:57:53 lol 04:58:02 Btw, you can hit ^X to get a list of items in your field of vision. 04:58:16 Good to know 04:58:29 And ^F. to get a list of items in the level. 04:58:42 NihilistDandy: That's all junk. 04:59:26 Relax. 04:59:29 Yaks aren't such a big deal. 04:59:33 And that's not a chokepoint, anyway. 04:59:33 back up once 04:59:40 yeah, you're being hit by three yaks at once 04:59:40 Craeful. 04:59:40 Dude. 04:59:43 rofl 04:59:50 Why do you not look at the HP meter when it flashes red a billion times? 04:59:56 in this game called 'crawl' monsters can attack diagonally even past walls 04:59:57 You don't close your eyes during tabspam :P 05:00:01 I'm an American cowboy 05:00:03 it's incredible. I know. 05:00:11 they just reach over and poke you 05:00:28 Royal Canadian Yaksman 05:00:31 I know they can. I didn't realize getting hurt made you unable to blind fight right away 05:00:37 It doesn't. 05:00:41 *It doesn't. 05:00:42 But it can make you die. 05:00:47 it just turns off tab 05:00:49 so you don't kill yourself 05:00:54 In the game called KING, opponent pieces can move diagonally past walls, and line of sight and thrown rocks work diagonally past walls, but your piece is blocked 05:00:56 If those three yaks gored you, you could have died the next turn. 05:00:59 Ah, okay 05:01:24 Worker ant zombie is harmless, just kill it and rest up. 05:01:30 X zombie is weaker than X. 05:01:46 Those shops might be interesting. 05:01:48 That one isn't. 05:01:55 Better prices than the last one, but still shit 05:02:09 food shops are for when you eat all the permafood in the game 05:02:13 don't buy food otherwise 05:02:22 Careful. 05:02:24 You have a corridor. 05:02:25 Use it. 05:02:51 You slice the wight!! 05:02:51 Nice 05:02:53 Try that battleaxe. 05:03:01 Corridors are not to be eaten. 05:03:19 lol 05:03:22 Wha wha 05:03:28 It's cursed, that just means you can't take it off. 05:03:32 Don't bother. 05:03:34 Mrh. 05:03:35 *Meh. 05:03:39 It's probably worse than what you have, so switch back. 05:03:40 it's not even necessarily a bad axe 05:03:49 I would have kept the curse until you saw its stats. 05:03:53 I'll wield it until a fight and we'll find out 05:03:57 That work? 05:03:59 Sure. 05:04:01 sure 05:04:04 Don't get your hopes up, though. 05:04:15 It's a piece of shit, apparently 05:04:18 rofl 05:04:25 it's random whether you find out or not per hit 05:04:29 but no brand, so whatever 05:04:36 What was it? 05:04:37 Oh, is it? Also good to know 05:04:37 I missed. 05:04:42 he didn't find out 05:04:44 Ah. 05:04:51 Well, just keep using this one. 05:04:55 In which games, is it possible, if you have scroll of item destruction, to use it to destroy a cursed item which you cannot get rid of, if you drop everything else other than the item you want to destroy and the scroll? 05:04:57 It's still uncurded, so I could keep using it 05:05:03 *uncursed 05:05:23 There's no real point. 05:05:25 It's probably going to be shit. 05:05:46 wands 05:05:49 wandddssss 05:05:55 hah 05:05:57 in your face elliott 05:05:58 Whoah. 05:05:59 Nice 05:06:00 What color of wands? 05:06:06 we don't know yet 05:06:07 Octarine. 05:06:15 hmm 05:06:20 ok, nothing really good in there 05:06:39 (really good = haste, heal wounds) 05:07:19 Gnolls aren't really scary any more. 05:07:24 Oh, oksy 05:07:25 *okay 05:07:33 gnoll shamans are pretty forgettable 05:07:35 Not to say you should tabspam them. But they're not going to do all th- 05:07:38 dragons on the other end... 05:07:50 a steam dragon, you mean 05:07:53 steam dragon is like 05:07:54 the runt of dragons 05:07:59 Well, yeah. 05:08:02 But I want to instill the fear of dragons. 05:08:25 Walk into or no? 05:08:32 if you want 05:08:34 the damage is very low 05:08:34 No, that would be kind of dumb and you don't have to. 05:08:35 but it is damage 05:08:44 nice use of the chokepoint as always 05:08:46 Zap confusion at that gnoll. 05:08:52 It's blocked by deep water. 05:08:55 Patashu: :P 05:08:57 06:08 deep water[1/2]: This most corrosive of solvents will dissolve almost anything that falls in, even artefacts and hapless adventurers. It may be possible to {scramble} free, however. Also known as blue lava. 05:09:07 Oh, wait. 05:09:09 Confusion won't help. 05:09:13 I guess it can just stay there. 05:09:19 You could disintegrate it, I suppose. 05:09:22 But it'd be for entertainment only. 05:10:14 It's not a cprse. 05:10:16 It's a chunk. 05:10:17 You exploded it. 05:10:23 Get that last chunk then rest off a bit. 05:11:40 Hey, Trog gifted you. 05:11:47 Noticed 05:11:52 invisible orc wizard. 05:11:57 See that {? 05:11:59 That's where it probably is. 05:12:06 Watch your HP. 05:12:13 Don't open those two doors, I think it's a vault. 05:12:18 Check out Trog's gift though. 05:12:32 Not sure where it is, mind. 05:12:35 NihilistDandy: No, it's on the floor. 05:12:36 ctrl+f god gift 05:12:38 ^X 05:12:45 Woot 05:12:51 Equip that dude 05:12:58 war axe is worse than battleaxe since it's one handed 05:13:01 Oh, really? 05:13:04 but 1) you can use it with a shield 2) it might have a neat brand 05:13:05 yeah 05:13:17 Oh well, wield it. 05:13:20 it goes hand axe < war axe < broadaxe (one handed) < battleaxe < executioner's axe (two handed) 05:13:22 iirc 05:13:29 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:13:33 Yay, anti-magic. 05:13:34 Dude. 05:13:35 Dude. 05:13:38 NihilistDandy: Look at your goddamn HP. 05:13:39 haha 05:13:42 he's petrified 05:13:44 he can't do shit 05:13:44 Stone... 05:13:46 Why the fuck would you explore with that HP? 05:13:47 You're so dead. 05:13:51 rofl 05:13:53 ok 05:13:56 Lucky as shit. 05:13:58 so 05:14:00 how anti-magic works is 05:14:00 YOU WERE SAYING? 05:14:02 when you hit dudes with it 05:14:04 they can't cast spells anymore 05:14:07 Sweet 05:14:07 otherwise the battleaxe is better 05:14:11 Can you set autoexplore to refuse to operate if you're below 66% HP? 05:14:15 elliott: if only 05:14:32 wtf 05:14:36 ok great 05:14:41 you can't close the door since there's an arrow on it 05:14:46 Move the battleaxe to position a and the antimagic war axe to position b and you’ll be able to switch between them with ' 05:14:55 just zap wands at it 05:14:58 ion: do you mean ` 05:15:07 Uhhh 05:15:07 Stop! 05:15:11 Didn't realise your HP was like that 05:15:15 Quaff something 05:15:18 BIA might block his arrows. 05:15:19 Heal wounds or curing 05:15:27 OK, yeah, BIA. 05:15:36 meta-solution: don't do that in the first place 05:15:38 elliott: ' 05:15:38 STOP 05:15:40 Trog's hand. 05:15:48 You want that regen in a situation like this. 05:15:52 (How did that centaur kill an ogre???) 05:15:55 step next to the centaur 05:16:03 now just combat wombat it 05:16:04 Maybe berk it ;) 05:16:12 (Kidding.) 05:16:14 Phew. 05:16:16 Rest immediately. 05:16:18 swap back to battleaxe 05:16:20 sounds like the force is strong with nihilist 05:16:25 and don't be dumb around centaurs 05:16:25 Do what ion said. 05:16:30 Battleaxe to a, war axe to b. 05:16:43 No, don’t rest. You should autoexplore some more. 05:16:48 clearly 05:16:56 Autoexplore with 1 HP. 05:17:03 NihilistDandy: Wrong battleaxe, no? 05:17:05 he is still alive after all this sleeping i did 05:17:05 You have a better one. 05:17:37 Eat the centaur then check out your scrolls. 05:17:42 You have some stuff to identify, I think. 05:17:49 Ooh. 05:17:51 Splint mail. 05:18:00 It sucks. 05:18:06 Well, yeah. 05:18:06 He already has a plate armour. 05:18:12 Oh, he does! 05:18:14 OK, drop the splint. 05:18:25 Also the rotting gnoll. 05:18:32 Do you really not have scrolls of identify? 05:18:32 It’ll rot away by itself. 05:18:42 Not a one, right now 05:18:54 What's that ! 05:19:01 Yellow. 05:20:12 Henzell offers no guidance on Hippogriffs 05:20:14 NihilistDandy: It's not terribly scary. 05:20:16 NihilistDandy: Try Gretell. 05:20:20 @??hippgriff to it. 05:20:28 HP and damage being the most important. 05:21:15 You need to diagonal better. :p 05:21:43 Still no lair entrance, right? 05:21:49 (Ctrl+F lair to see.) 05:21:51 it's not guaranteed until D:13 05:22:07 I know, just checking. 05:22:10 Ha. 05:22:14 Fuckin' A 05:22:18 it's ok 05:22:19 it's alone 05:22:54 Also, use the antimagic against shamans etc. 05:23:01 Sidenote: Wow, berserkers are much better when they have high HP. 05:23:23 REALLY? 05:23:23 So, next level? 05:23:30 Was that to ion or me? 05:23:43 Er. 05:23:44 To NihilistDandy or me? 05:23:46 But yeah, >. 05:23:54 to ion 05:24:03 :( 05:24:33 Oh. 05:24:36 NihilistDandy: You know ogres? 05:24:39 Hill giants are ogres++. 05:24:39 Stop. 05:24:41 You fool. 05:24:42 What? 05:24:46 Uhh, OK. 05:24:48 When in the situation @.X where X is an enemy, don’t move toward her. Let her move toward you. You’ll get the first hit. 05:24:51 Hill giants are meant to hit very hard. 05:24:55 But this one dindn't. 05:24:56 Shut up, ion 05:24:57 *didn't. 05:24:59 I get it 05:25:02 I'm not doing it 05:25:04 But I get it 05:25:32 Probably not worth retreating; they're weaklings. 05:25:42 It's time for ion's macro again ;) 05:26:13 Maybe berk that guy. 05:26:15 Hanzell suggests little to fear 05:26:27 06:26 Harold (@) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 9 | HP: 76 | AC/EV: 0/8 | Dam: 12 | Fl: spellcaster | Res: magic(60) | Chunks: contam | XP: 1238 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), blink. 05:26:29 Quite a bit of HP. 05:26:34 But yeah. 05:26:40 Damn, you're strong. 05:26:49 Junk. 05:27:00 There's a corpse to sacrifice there. 05:27:23 Damn, so close to a wand of digging 05:28:46 wtf was that 05:29:01 Running away doesn't stop bad things existing unless you're running somewhere in particular :) 05:29:25 Patashu: You should probably watch this. 05:29:36 OK, situation defused. 05:29:41 And diffused! 05:29:48 I was just about to say “and diffused”. 05:30:05 Thank you for resting :P 05:30:21 06:30 troll (T) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (doors) | HD: 7 | HP: 25-53 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | Fl: regen | Res: magic(28) | Chunks: contam | XP: 305. 05:30:27 NihilistDandy: Hit kinda nasty, but otherwise harmless. 05:30:27 lol 05:30:29 You have messages. 05:30:30 Press _. 05:30:42 I don't know who that is... 05:30:45 monqy 05:30:45 You can “reply” with : 05:30:52 Yeah, :message 05:30:58 monqy: This is ND's fifth game. 05:31:04 are you giving advice 05:31:06 Yes. 05:31:15 06:31 3. NihilistDandy the Grave Robber (L2 GhNe), worshipper of Ashenzari, slain by a worker ant in D:4 on 2012-05-04, with 45 points after 300 turns and 0:05:51. 05:31:16 I thought it was only 4th :P 05:31:17 is it good advice 05:31:17 Oh, indeed, only the fourth. 05:31:21 monqy: Yes. 05:31:28 monqy: It sucks. 05:31:33 great 05:31:36 from ghne to mibe? 05:31:42 at least, I assume that's mibe 05:31:51 !lg nihilistdandy 05:31:56 Err 05:32:08 Why aren’t the ##crawl bots on #esoteric⸘ 05:32:12 monqy: 05:32:13 06:32 !lg nihilistdandy -2 05:32:13 06:32 2. NihilistDandy the Sneak (L1 VpAs), slain by a gnoll (a +1,+1 spear) in D:1 on 2012-05-04, with 84 points after 200 turns and 0:02:58. 05:32:14 06:32 !lg nihilistdandy -3 05:32:16 06:32 1. NihilistDandy the Grave Robber (L2 GhNe), slain by a goblin (a +0,+0 orcish club) in D:3 (minmay three crescents) on 2012-05-04, with 77 points after 1013 turns and 0:24:08. 05:32:18 He just picked randomly to start with. :p 05:32:19 vpas too? 05:32:30 ion: Unlike Haskell, they didn't put them there! 05:32:39 (Wait, his first game lasted 24 minutes?) 05:32:42 anyway I'm gone for a while or so 05:32:48 @time monqy 05:32:50 Local time for monqy is Thu May 3 22:32:49 2012 05:32:51 I'll wisdom etc once I get back 05:32:55 monqy sure is away a lot today!!! 05:32:58 maybe back at 23? maybe later 05:33:00 NihilistDandy: monqy has 17 wins, you know. 05:33:01 I'm away a lot always 05:33:03 That's 16 + 1 wins. 05:33:11 Winning by induction 05:33:15 Yes. 05:33:15 How do you win, anyway? 05:33:21 step 1) three runes 05:33:22 step 2) orb 05:33:24 step 3) don't die 05:33:27 You get three runes from branches of the dungeon, go down to dungeon level 27, 05:33:29 step 0) get really buff 05:33:34 do the 5 Zot levels, 05:33:36 I'm halfway decent at step 3 05:33:37 get the Orb of Zot, 05:33:42 go back to dungeon level 1, 05:33:45 and exit the dungeon. 05:33:57 Branches are themed stuff. 05:34:08 So far you've just seen the plain dungeon. 05:35:35 You don't need to chokepoint or run away from orcs. 05:35:38 They're *orcs*. 05:35:52 There could have been bigger things :P 05:36:11 Pheaqitzetz. 05:36:12 that's a good point 05:36:12 Enchant weapon? 05:36:15 orcs imply more orcs 05:36:17 Sure. 05:36:19 more orcs implies orc warriors 05:36:22 Patashu: Orc by induction? 05:36:39 There are 0 orcs, and since if there's N orcs, there's N+1 orcs, there are an infinite number of orcs. 05:36:41 .... 05:36:47 NihilistDandy: It's not as powerful as it looks. 05:36:54 I did tell you to check what unid'd scrolls were left at this point. 05:36:57 (Ages ago.) 05:37:13 I don't remember that, nor do I remember how to do it 05:37:29 it's either {, [, ], }, | or \ 05:37:29 I forget 05:37:38 NihilistDandy: When you go to "r", press \ in the list 05:37:43 Then - to negate it, and you'll see unidentified items 05:38:12 I pressed \ and it did no such thing 05:38:25 Hmm. 05:38:29 Ah, there you guo. 05:38:29 *go 05:38:29 It's just \ 05:38:31 Use - to negate it. 05:38:39 Now you see all the scrolls you don't know. 05:38:45 Good stuff 05:39:15 Hmm. 05:39:21 Patashu: Is that a vault of some kind? 05:39:24 Henzell is not reassuring me 05:39:25 Glass, etc. 05:39:27 Or is NihilistDandy fucked? 05:39:32 it's behind glass 05:39:35 buuuut 05:39:38 I wouldn't fight it right now 05:39:39 NihilistDandy: Stats speak for themselves: 06:39 stone giant (C) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (starting) | HD: 16 | HP: 69-108 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | Res: magic(85), drown | Chunks: contam | XP: 2034. 05:39:40 close it and put an exclusion on it 05:39:49 Patashu: I mean, is it a display case thing? 05:39:51 also, the stats don't tell you that stone giants hurl boulders 05:39:58 NihilistDandy: Close is C. 05:40:05 step away from the wall 05:40:05 Close the other door too. 05:40:06 or ctrl-direction 05:40:08 You'll have to kill the rock worm. 05:40:16 step away from the wall 05:40:18 Lure it out of the wall. 05:40:19 tada 05:40:20 Oh. 05:40:24 now put an exclusion on the door 05:40:24 I haven't encountered those before. 05:40:29 How do I do that? 05:40:30 Patashu: You get to teach him how to use exclusions. 05:40:32 x, east, e, e 05:40:44 there 05:40:45 e’s effect will be more noticeable with X 05:40:47 now you won't autoexplore into it 05:41:26 When did ND become so unstoppable? 05:41:46 good skills 05:41:51 This is reminiscent of the dwarves days 05:41:58 *dwarven 05:42:07 Oh, of course. 05:42:11 btw, from now on at level ups raise dex 05:42:14 instead of str or int 05:42:14 That must be why you're so smart: you're a master craftsminotaur. 05:42:25 Clearly 05:42:31 Patashu: Shall do 05:42:58 Craftsminotaur: best word? 05:43:01 Patashu: Some of that int is from a ring, mind. 05:43:26 elliott: there's still not much point raising int as a troglodyte 05:43:32 I know. 05:43:34 by the time stat loss is a problem you should have plenty of cures and carry them 05:43:34 ya 05:43:34 Just mentioning. 05:43:38 His starting int was 4. 05:43:45 ion: He went to university. 05:44:16 he got a degree in troglodology 05:44:24 and trog accepted him in a trainee position 05:44:35 Ohhh, *that's* where "Trog" comes from. 05:44:44 Troglodology sucks as a palindrome. 05:44:44 NihilistDandy: You opened the door 05:44:45 So, in spite of the exclusion, it's driving me into the Giant room 05:44:45 ? 05:44:50 Press X for bigmap. 05:44:54 it's the best palindrome 05:45:08 troglodog...ort 05:45:08 Not sure what's going on. Patashu? 05:45:16 why, what's wrong? 05:45:20 06:44 So, in spite of the exclusion, it's driving me into the Giant room 05:45:34 maybe place exclusions around it too, then 05:45:35 idk 05:45:45 Or cowboy it up and kill the thing 05:45:48 ... 05:45:52 That would result in you dying. 05:45:52 Driving you there? It didn’t open the door yet, did it? 05:45:53 kill a stone giant? 05:45:54 NihilistDandy: Remove the door exclusion. 05:45:57 you should probably leave it for later 05:45:57 ion: It did. 05:46:00 oh 05:46:03 NihilistDandy: Then put an e on the door while in the X bigmap. 05:46:05 Interesting. 05:46:06 Basically 05:46:08 lle 05:46:08 no sense in dying when you can live so easily 05:46:08 e 05:46:15 Uhhh 05:46:16 That's not right 05:46:18 e it twice 05:46:22 No. 05:46:26 l 05:46:29 l 05:46:33 l 05:46:35 e 05:46:39 Better. 05:46:43 Try it out like that. 05:46:47 cool 05:46:49 now go to the next level 05:46:50 OK, G> 05:46:59 oh noes a wight 05:47:05 RUUUUUUN 05:47:07 rofl 05:47:07 btw 05:47:11 if you get interrupted 05:47:11 G enter 05:47:13 will resume 05:47:19 cool, a labyrinth 05:47:21 I love mazes, do you 05:47:27 Do you have a scroll of magic mapping? 05:47:34 You have a limited time to reach the entrance. 05:47:35 He had one. 05:47:42 Also, do you have food? :-P 05:47:44 NihilistDandy: Don't do labrynths. 05:47:50 Labyrinths are great. 05:47:50 monqy hates them and from what I've read I hate them too. 05:47:58 So what do I do? 05:48:02 Ignore it and explore on. 05:48:10 Imagine a maze that changes, that you can't remember, and that you're stuck in until you reach teh end and fight a monster. 05:48:11 *the 05:48:11 They have some potentially good loot. 05:48:12 With nothing else. 05:48:29 Neat 05:48:36 And yes, I have food 05:48:42 You don't have nearly enough. 05:48:45 Skip it. 05:48:47 But I'll just be pressing o and doing whatever happens 05:48:50 Oh! You’re a minotaur! 05:48:51 Nope. 05:48:52 You can't. 05:48:55 Minotaurs can map the labyrinth. 05:48:58 No autoexplore, as I understand it. 05:48:59 Oh, they can? 05:49:04 How? 05:49:07 Do they need magic mapping? 05:49:11 no 05:49:18 So he can just autoexplore it? 05:49:29 Dunno if autoexplore works, but it shouldn’t forget the map. 05:49:35 Hmmm. 05:49:39 I would still skip it. 05:49:43 But it's immaterial if he doesn't find it, anyway. 05:49:50 I never skip labyrinths. 05:49:59 Well, we'll see, I suppose 05:50:04 elliott: You haven’t even tried one. :-P 05:50:10 Indeed. 05:50:13 But I read a bit about them. 05:50:15 That's just as good. 05:50:17 autoexplore does not work in labyrinths 05:50:19 you have to manualexplore them 05:50:23 magic mapping doesn't work either 05:50:24 Even if you're a minotaur? Bleh. 05:50:29 labyrinth is basically 'BOY I LOVE MAZES' 05:50:33 but the good thing about labyrinths is 05:50:40 they colour the walls by what euclidean distance they are from the exit 05:50:53 and the loot 05:50:56 so you can pretty quickly deduce which way yuou need to go 05:50:59 yes, there will be loo 05:51:01 (and a minotaur) 05:51:08 How powerful is the minotaur at the end? 05:51:14 And does he have enough food even if he can remember the maze? 05:51:18 you're diesel so no problem 05:51:19 (And does the maze still change for a minotaur?) 05:51:22 (and if he is a problem you can bia) 05:51:32 well, how much food does he have? 05:51:35 It does change, but that’s not a real problem. 05:51:36 Little. 05:51:39 He keeps eating permafood. 05:51:42 NihilistDandy: Press e 05:51:43 Even without mapping 05:51:47 that's plenty 05:51:54 OK, fine, do it. 05:52:00 oo, an invisible thing 05:52:00 NihilistDandy: Do you have a scroll of magic mapping? 05:52:01 kill it 05:52:04 You can't run away from something invisible. 05:52:09 it fled 05:52:15 must have been an unseen horror 05:52:18 Is your autopickup still off? 05:52:19 Put it back on. 05:52:26 yeah, it's still off 05:52:28 hit ctrl+A 05:52:34 Press Ctrl+A and stop wasting time; the labyrnth gate expires. 05:52:37 *labyrinth 05:52:40 Do you have magic mapping? 05:52:50 No 05:52:53 For fuck's sake, no 05:52:53 kite the basilisk back 05:52:58 in case there are friends in the black part 05:53:00 Hmph 05:53:00 I don't know what that means 05:53:01 you want to kill it alone 05:53:02 When he shoots a cloud at you, step away from it. 05:53:03 Oh, okay 05:53:05 just walk east 05:53:09 ion: that's catoblepases 05:53:13 keep walking east 05:53:14 oh 05:53:15 NihilistDandy: I wrote that message before you replied. 05:53:21 (Press _ to get rid of the annoying warning. :p) 05:53:21 Oh, okay 05:53:34 luvly 05:53:34 now kill it 05:53:36 cool 05:53:49 NihilistDandy: STOP IGNORING _ MESSAGES 05:53:51 I hate people who do that. 05:53:52 :( 05:54:00 THEN STOP SENDING THEM 05:54:02 I read IRC 05:54:05 I should send a funny message too 05:54:07 Cyclopses are like stone golems but less scary. 05:54:08 HTH 05:54:18 helpful hint for cyclopes: 05:54:20 treat them like centaurs 05:54:23 HTH 05:54:37 that works 05:54:50 hit _ 05:54:50 lol 05:54:54 forgot about the cyclops 05:54:57 lol 05:55:10 NihilistDandy: that tock clicking 05:55:10 means 05:55:13 ... 05:55:14 tock clicking 05:55:15 stop moving 05:55:18 gloves 05:55:19 oh 05:55:19 it means the labrynth is running out 05:55:20 you have gloves 05:55:21 nvm 05:55:23 Don’t waste time, find the labyrinth. 05:55:27 he has the best gloves 05:55:31 NihilistDandy: don't autoexplore if you want to find it 05:55:34 use X to find the most likely places 05:55:45 mm 05:55:48 dunno :p 05:55:54 i'd suspect it's to the right but i don't really know 05:55:56 It was “long way away”, it won’t be in the immediate vicinity. 05:56:11 It's not up there. 05:56:12 there's lair 05:56:13 do that after lab 05:56:22 He's not goingg to reach the lab at this rate. 05:56:27 Perhaps SW? 05:56:28 *going 05:56:48 lab's gone 05:56:49 do lair 05:56:59 rest for god's sake 05:57:12 rest 05:57:13 oh my god 05:57:17 unseen horror again 05:57:19 back into a corridor 05:57:20 then reverse 05:57:21 And offer the corpses to Trog after resting. 05:57:26 nice 05:57:30 I started making something called WizardCard for implementing Magic: the Gathering and other similar things, this is what I have in a parser so far: http://sprunge.us/TJjZ 05:57:33 NihilistDandy: Ctrl+F corpse 05:57:53 that corpse isn't boring :( 05:58:01 LOL 05:58:01 careful 05:58:03 ahahahahaha 05:58:03 mimics are 05:58:04 stop 05:58:04 stop 05:58:05 stopst 05:58:06 fake fucking lair 05:58:07 sotpstpst 05:58:09 s 05:58:10 lol jesus 05:58:11 topstpost 05:58:13 stsotpst 05:58:15 does he 05:58:17 never look at his hp 05:58:20 god dammit 05:58:26 to be fair 05:58:30 when were mimics this strong 05:58:30 wtf 05:58:31 NihilistDandy: this is your lesson in "mimics aren't pushovers" 05:58:31 I'm still reading this 05:58:38 Patashu: they are 05:58:40 what 05:58:41 constriction 05:58:42 . 05:58:44 dex 05:58:45 I'm never playing trunk 05:58:47 careful 05:58:52 careful 05:58:53 no tab 05:58:54 wtf 05:58:55 stop 05:58:58 you have 28 hp 05:59:00 why are you chasing things 05:59:11 There, mom, relax 05:59:12 you might be diesel but you're running out of gas!!! 05:59:33 your unreasonable luck is depriving you of the helpful learning experiences that are YASDs 05:59:42 Yup :D 06:00:04 ok, lair entrance must be on the next level 06:00:08 explore out this one then go down to it 06:00:12 it might still be on this level 06:00:13 ion: macro time 06:00:14 I think 06:00:17 forget how mimics work 06:00:35 kobold room? 06:01:02 NihilistDandy: just run up to it and bash them in 06:01:03 why are you using wand zaps on kobolds 06:01:05 bored? 06:01:06 dude, you're a minotaur 06:01:11 Patashu: Yup 06:01:11 bashing kobolds to death is what you do best 06:01:24 NihilistDandy: you'll find the lair a nice change 06:01:28 have you found no boots this game? 06:01:35 Not a one 06:01:40 poor feeties 06:01:44 trolls are like ogres 06:01:52 ooh ooh 06:01:53 gift 06:01:54 gift 06:01:58 is it exec? 06:02:01 -!- zzo38 has left. 06:02:02 you could have sacrificed that corpse 06:02:05 NihilistDandy: god gifts go on the floor 06:02:06 it's right 06:02:08 next to you 06:02:10 YES 06:02:11 yes 06:02:12 exec axe 06:02:13 wield it 06:02:13 wield that motherfucker 06:02:20 reassign it to a 06:02:21 cool 06:02:21 now 06:02:23 pump axes to 26 06:02:31 Patashu: he's already training axes exclusively 06:02:33 ok 06:02:35 well, pump axes faster 06:02:38 oh it's antimagic too awesome 06:02:47 back up 06:02:49 Some other brands are generally better than antimagic. 06:02:50 corridor 06:02:52 nn 06:02:53 what 06:02:56 lol 06:02:57 KoK 06:02:58 back up rofl 06:03:02 also, yes, very funny 06:03:03 ahahaha 06:03:04 not like that 06:03:07 that's just 06:03:10 sure whatever 06:03:11 good enough 06:03:13 that's not backing up that's just backing 06:03:16 ahahaha how is he still alive 06:03:16 (you can pretend kobolds don't exist at this point) 06:03:23 elliott: we made him too diesel :( 06:03:31 NihilistDandy: is that all the corpses 06:03:40 ALL CORPSES 06:03:40 is that a shop 06:03:42 or was it the lab 06:03:44 Search for what [Enter for "boots", or ? for help]? corpse 06:03:51 I read: ‘Enter for "boobs"’ 06:03:51 that's where the lab WAS 06:03:54 Patashu: he's making so many 06:03:57 newbie mistakes but 06:04:00 he's just too powerful to die to them 06:04:06 he reminds me of a week ago except 06:04:07 TOO NOOB TO DIE 06:04:10 diesel 06:04:42 @.X 06:04:42 Not enough arguments to @. 06:05:08 And now, down again 06:05:19 What happened? 06:05:27 Wanted to save, didn't know that also made me quit 06:05:33 NihilistDandy: It's a roguelike. 06:05:35 You can't save. 06:05:37 rofl 06:05:37 Good point 06:05:39 You can suspend and resume. 06:05:42 btw, it autosaves 06:05:45 save = quit basically 06:06:46 lair time 06:06:54 explore the whole level first perhaps 06:06:57 sure 06:07:00 burn book 06:07:01 buuuurn book 06:07:03 yesssss 06:07:09 so, here's your lair notice 06:07:11 NihilistDandy: any ?id 06:07:12 ? 06:07:14 1) don't do subbranches of lair before all of lair 06:07:18 Tengu 06:07:19 NihilistDandy: btw the lair is boring + hydrae 06:07:26 oh water 06:07:31 just go to the lair water is such a pain 06:07:38 2) monsters to watch out for: blink frogs (they're faster than you, appear in packs and blink), hydras (obviously), catoblepases (slower than you, when they breathe petrifying gas immediately move to an open tile) 06:07:42 am I missing any? 06:07:44 oh, eels 06:07:46 eels shoot lightning at you 06:07:50 but they can't move out of the water 06:07:53 22:47:50 < elliott> monqy hates them and from what I've read I hate them too. 06:07:56 labyrinths are awfu 06:07:56 l 06:07:59 22:47:50 < ion> Labyrinths are great. 06:08:01 you're awful 06:08:12 uhh NihilistDandy 06:08:14 also, the tengu are listed as gray 06:08:18 so you can probably just tab them 06:08:19 07:08 tengu (H) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 5 | HP: 16-39 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10, 5, 5 | Fl: fly | Res: magic(20) | XP: 130. 06:08:22 they're weak as shit 06:08:24 22:33:34 < elliott> do the 5 Zot levels, 06:08:28 fsvo "do" 06:08:36 monqy: no u 06:08:37 lair time 06:08:39 lair has lots of food 06:08:41 since you have rpois 06:08:46 just G 06:08:47 L 06:08:59 easy, tab it 06:09:01 hungry ghosts make you more hungry 06:09:03 but 06:09:04 so does crawl so 06:09:07 (they really don't) 06:09:09 or if they do 06:09:13 it's negligibly little 06:09:16 07:09 hungry ghost[1/1]: A ghost whose primary attack is to decrease your satiation level, by a quarter of your current satiation - it will rapidly reduce you to very hungry or near starving if its attacks connect. If you don't have ranged attacks and can't hit hard and fast, beware. Also eats corpses on the ground. 06:09:19 it's not like the monsters in shiren that make you incredibly hungry 06:09:25 careful 06:09:26 oh, it's that much? 06:09:27 careful- ok 06:09:31 I've absolutely never noticed it 06:09:31 centaur warriors are 06:09:34 oh, hey a centaur warrior 06:09:36 yeah he 06:09:38 three shotted it 06:09:41 22:51:14 < elliott> And does he have enough food even if he can remember the maze? 06:09:42 he's too 06:09:43 strong 06:09:43 well if it was in melee range 06:09:44 it's trivial 06:09:47 food doesn't really matter in laby 06:09:57 laby is "free loot but you have to do this boring maze" 06:10:02 dude 06:10:02 wow 06:10:04 your centaur tactics are 06:10:04 what are you doing 06:10:05 -awful- 06:10:07 like the worst 06:10:08 oh and some labys have teletraps in their endings 06:10:20 monqy: are you watching this i 06:10:20 here's how centaurs work: 06:10:22 so you get teleported after finishing the laby 06:10:23 have no idea how he's still alive 06:10:24 if they see you they shoot you 06:10:27 if they don't see you they move towards you 06:10:30 dpeg is fervent about keeping them like that 06:10:32 if you are next to them they melee you which does almost no damage 06:10:40 Patashu: I am aware of these things 06:10:41 monqy: does he have any justification 06:10:45 or at least he was, before he excused himself from devteam (that happened, right?) 06:10:46 well, you're bad at centaurs 06:10:46 But I am diesel and give no fucks 06:10:49 great 06:10:51 FOR MY GOD TROG 06:10:52 NihilistDandy: you'll die 06:10:53 have fun dying to the first centaur warrior pack you see 06:11:01 FOR TROG 06:11:01 NihilistDandy: the tactics that you don't need to bother with now 06:11:05 will kill you in 5 turns later on 06:11:10 Yeah, yeah, I know 06:11:11 no matter how many jokes you have 06:11:12 :P 06:11:24 anyway 06:11:26 GL go go go 06:11:33 I'm explorin' :P 06:11:36 anyway, centaurs are easy if you 06:11:40 1) duck behind cover 06:11:43 dude 06:11:43 Ctrl+P 06:11:44 momentous 06:11:45 occasion 06:11:46 2) engage when they're a few tiels or less away 06:11:48 Ctrl+P 06:11:59 NihilistDandy: ctrl+p 06:12:00 What's Ctrl+p? 06:12:04 try it 06:12:04 shows previous messsages 06:12:06 *messages 06:12:12 You open the centaur like a pillowcase!!! 06:12:12 23:04:10 < elliott> diesel 06:12:12 oh, nice 06:12:13 first !!! 06:12:14 you're a real man now 06:12:17 wow elliott already says "diesel"? 06:12:21 monqy: Patashu started it 06:12:22 I taught him diesel 06:12:23 yw 06:12:24 i didnt know it was a thing 06:12:30 sorry 06:12:38 im just 06:12:43 hey, a hydra 06:12:44 hi 06:12:44 too gobsmacked by his still being alive to come up with other wrods 06:12:49 you should melee that hydra with your axe :D 06:12:52 good bia roll 06:13:01 127-headed hydra 06:13:04 excellent 06:13:28 back up into a hallway 06:13:32 23:10:41 < elliott> monqy: does he have any justification 06:13:33 it'll follow 06:13:33 no 06:13:47 woah 06:13:47 what is bia 06:13:48 rofl 06:13:50 but he sure got angry when minmay compared it to putting aliches on d:1 06:13:50 41 hp 06:13:51 brothers in arms 06:13:54 zerk 06:14:02 oh wtf 06:14:04 uuuuh 06:14:06 stop 06:14:07 stop 06:14:07 how did those arrows hit him for so much 06:14:08 not berk 06:14:09 not berk 06:14:10 stop 06:14:12 you idiot 06:14:12 don't zerk now 06:14:14 no 06:14:20 what potions do you have 06:14:31 heal wounds 06:14:42 and hit _ 06:14:45 reverse drinking game: feel like a dumbass every time you drink 06:14:47 ok i'm finally caught up 06:14:49 what's happening! 06:14:53 monqy: "fune" 06:14:53 he's dying to a centaur pack 06:14:56 gr8 06:14:58 Patashu: impossible. 06:15:01 Not necessarily dying 06:15:03 he doesn't 'care' about centaurs because he's 'diesel' 06:15:07 Correct 06:15:08 so now he's 'dying' 06:15:10 'yes' 06:15:14 he's going to just 06:15:14 suiciding 06:15:16 whack them and somehow survive 06:15:18 because 06:15:21 the universe hates our advice today 06:15:28 what 06:15:28 why 06:15:28 nooooooo 06:15:30 that was stupid 06:15:31 dude 06:15:32 centaurs 06:15:33 are worse 06:15:38 when you're not next to them 06:15:42 uhh 06:15:43 wait 06:15:44 doesn't he have blink 06:15:49 NihilistDandy: what scrolls do you have good god 06:15:49 from what 06:15:55 oh, he does 06:16:09 yeah, blink there 06:16:15 south 06:16:18 sw 06:16:19 b 06:16:20 yeah 06:16:24 wait there 06:16:26 rest 06:16:26 5 06:16:29 5 06:16:30 ha 06:16:33 cool 06:16:38 BIA 06:16:38 bia again 06:16:43 (he should have handed before resting, actually) 06:16:51 good advice 06:16:51 hand 06:16:51 walk behind the ogre 06:16:52 hand of trog 06:16:55 that too 06:16:56 walk behind ogr 06:16:57 walk behind ogre then hand 06:16:58 no 06:16:58 no dont hand 06:16:59 stop 06:17:01 wrong order 06:17:03 ded 06:17:13 this is going 06:17:14 Get one more BIA 06:17:14 spectacularly 06:17:17 oh boy 06:17:19 ahahaha 06:17:20 why 06:17:21 did you do that 06:17:24 there was no possible reason 06:17:26 wow 06:17:28 dude 06:17:29 b 06:17:30 what are you dOING 06:17:31 finally 06:17:31 now 06:17:32 b 06:17:34 go b 06:17:34 n 06:17:38 uugh 06:17:41 jesus fucking christ 06:17:43 rofl 06:17:43 b was the wRONG CHOICE 06:17:44 Get one more BIA 06:17:44 b again 06:17:49 ahahahaha 06:17:49 monqy: sorry 06:17:53 i just 06:17:56 remember the part where 06:17:57 so fucking lucky 06:18:00 you could have gotten out of lose quicklier with nu 06:18:03 i warned NihilistDandy about how this was going to kill him 06:18:04 and then 06:18:06 lol 06:18:08 THREE MINUTES LATER 06:18:10 IT DID NOT 06:18:13 it did not? 06:18:14 cheer up 06:18:15 it's not over yet 06:18:16 he might still die 06:18:18 :D 06:18:19 there are a few normal centaurs left 06:18:26 and nd is really bad at crawl 06:18:27 Centaur warrior is dead. Centaurs are made of babies. 06:18:28 :D 06:18:29 so he'll find a way to die to them 06:18:29 I can’t fathom how he’s still alive. 06:18:31 Sobad at crawl 06:18:31 dude 06:18:32 nothing 06:18:33 It's insane 06:18:34 is made of babies 06:18:36 at 21 hp 06:18:37 with his style of playing 06:18:45 nah lots of things are made of babies at 21hp 06:18:49 ion: 26 str, +1,+4 antimagic executioner's axe 06:18:56 wow 06:19:07 i fucking hate you for surviving another situation against all logic 06:19:08 d:1 trash for example is made of babies. on d:1 you don't even HAVE 21 hp 06:19:11 i think i need to watch this. someone link me the -cast 06:19:17 monqy: D:1 trash is not trash if you're, e.g., a felid 06:19:18 quintopia: telnet crawl.develz.org 345 06:19:19 elliott: mibe reasons 06:19:19 w 06:19:20 TROG KNOWS NO LOGIC 06:19:23 (I almost died to a hobgoblin) 06:19:24 choose nihilistdandy's letter 06:19:34 Patashu: d:1 trash isn't always trash on d:1 06:19:37 Patashu: it's trash on d:13 06:19:40 oh, yes 06:19:42 elliott: But he has gone to 1/5 health a number of times and then danced in arrow rain and then survived by miraculous luck. 06:19:45 dude 06:19:46 DUDE 06:19:48 Patashu: unless you get like an orc with disto that you somehow miss 06:19:49 HOW HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED 06:20:01 did he even have cover he could get behind that time 06:20:09 well 06:20:10 good point 06:20:12 he really didn't 06:20:13 but he was so cavalier about it!!! 06:20:17 and since centaurs are faster than you 06:20:20 you can't go far for covers 06:20:26 Patashu: do you really think he 06:20:26 (yaktaurs you see later will be same speed, otoh) 06:20:30 oh 06:20:30 thought out that reasoning in his head 06:20:31 of course not 06:20:31 before doing it 06:20:32 I'm just saying 06:20:37 NihilistDandy: GL 06:20:42 GL immediately before you meet another centaur warrior 06:20:47 the lair has no centaurs, only hydrae 06:20:47 I didn't see what happened but likely I would just have charged them 06:20:49 Not done exploring and flying in the face of logic 06:20:58 we've fed into this delusion too much 06:20:59 backing up to cover can be worse than charging in many cases 06:21:03 ah, good 06:21:05 mmm, more centaurs 06:21:07 yum yum 06:21:10 back up 06:21:12 thank god 06:21:16 ugh 06:21:18 you didn't cut that corner 06:21:19 now go for the kill 06:21:20 i'm crying 06:21:26 move into melee range 06:21:27 rofl 06:21:28 bio won't help 06:21:32 they're too weak at your piety level 06:21:41 NihilistDandy: you realise it burns piety right 06:21:48 you have to sacrifice corpses for every bia 06:21:59 elliott: Yeah, but damn it's fun 06:22:03 rofl 06:22:05 I'll have plenty of corpses 06:22:06 Patashu: i love how he just runs around with no diagonals in realtime 06:22:08 after bia 06:22:12 PROBLEM SOLVED 06:22:14 diagonals. what are those. 06:22:14 also 06:22:15 just play musu my god 06:22:19 rofl 06:22:22 also also 06:22:24 cyclops sounds bad 06:22:25 watch out for that cyclops 06:22:27 since you have like no hp 06:22:28 also also ALSO 06:22:29 use trog's hand 06:22:36 I’ve been trying to get ellie to play DESu. 06:22:40 for moar hp 06:22:46 musu was a joke, ion 06:22:48 hi cyclops 06:22:53 no 06:22:54 wow 06:22:54 dude 06:22:54 stop 06:22:57 you fucking 06:22:58 moron 06:23:00 ahahahahah what 06:23:01 no 06:23:02 no 06:23:07 you want to blink or something not just 06:23:09 oh my god 06:23:09 just 06:23:09 stop 06:23:11 for 06:23:12 how did this haPpen 06:23:13 a minute 06:23:15 no 06:23:17 STOP 06:23:19 aaaaaaah 06:23:21 s/^ // 06:23:22 why did yoit's going to hit you with a rock and you will die 06:23:32 NihilistDandy: yOU HAVE MESSAGES PRESS _ 06:23:42 * ion is laughing out loud 06:23:46 how 06:23:48 how did you survive that 06:23:50 what use is checking messages if it's just squarelos greeting you 06:23:52 ion: i've been laughing for the past 06:23:54 3-5 minutes 06:23:55 no 06:23:56 c'mon 06:23:56 dude 06:23:57 death by rock 06:23:57 it throws 06:23:59 ahahah did you really thingk it would be a good idea to rest there 06:23:59 rocks 06:24:03 ahahahahaha 06:24:08 get up the stairs 06:24:10 god 06:24:11 no 06:24:12 quaff 06:24:12 wrONG WAY 06:24:12 `log [s]trong with nihilist 06:24:13 wow, plowing through thos e blinking scrolls 06:24:13 something 06:24:15 you idiot 06:24:20 2012-05-04.txt:05:16:20: sounds like the force is strong with nihilist 06:24:27 no don't go back 06:24:29 :-D 06:24:29 NO 06:24:30 STOP 06:24:31 STOP FIGHTING 06:24:32 WHY 06:24:32 aahhahahahahaha 06:24:34 wow, look at that 06:24:35 let him die 06:24:35 ARE YOU FIGHTING IT 06:24:36 the cyclops found you 06:24:36 he deserves it 06:24:39 how can this possibly have happened 06:24:39 . 06:24:45 I want this so much 06:24:46 god this is 06:24:47 I mean wow 06:24:48 the funniest thing ever 06:24:48 a LESSON LEARNT 06:24:50 NihilistDandy: quaff 06:24:51 or 06:24:52 something 06:24:54 i don't know 06:24:55 My cheek muscles hurt for laughing so much. 06:24:56 wait 06:24:58 maybe he should 06:25:00 idk 06:25:04 i guess you can quaff curing 06:25:09 no tough 06:25:10 don't teleport 06:25:12 rofl 06:25:13 read fear 06:25:15 you would die the next turn 06:25:19 Patashu: would that help at this point 06:25:21 yes 06:25:22 if it works 06:25:23 or would it get a kick in first 06:25:23 I wasn't thinking teleport 06:25:24 ok 06:25:27 NihilistDandy: read fear 06:25:27 then 06:25:29 quaff curing for god's sake 06:25:37 Now go straight to < 06:25:38 duck behind a wall or something 06:25:41 yeah go < 06:25:43 look at how much curing sucks 06:25:46 no 06:25:46 G< 06:25:51 i don't trust you to 06:25:52 run by yourself 06:25:52 wrong way 06:25:53 stoooop 06:25:55 why are you goign that way 06:25:55 ……………… 06:25:56 hahahaha 06:25:58 do you have digging 06:26:01 no 06:26:04 Sadly, no 06:26:05 just turn around 06:26:07 and go to the exit normally 06:26:10 just 06:26:12 hit 5 06:26:14 no 06:26:17 oops 06:26:18 :-D 06:26:19 why DID YOU HIT 5 06:26:28 :--D 06:26:28 :-D 06:26:30 :-D 06:26:31 :---D 06:26:32 :-D 06:26:40 ok uhhh 06:26:41 maybe bia? 06:26:42 will it 06:26:43 no 06:26:46 ummmm 06:26:50 he doesn't have any curing potions left right 06:26:50 no 06:26:51 stop 06:26:52 stp 06:26:54 stop 06:26:58 use X 06:26:58 sotp 06:27:00 ostp 06:27:02 stop 06:27:03 then somehow survive 06:27:04 stop 06:27:05 so you can die to trog wrath 06:27:06 stop 06:27:07 I'm not doing anything. Just giving you info 06:27:08 that'll be gr8 06:27:08 stop 06:27:10 stop 06:27:12 try fear again 06:27:14 yeah i think 06:27:18 reading fear is probably your best bet 06:27:21 oops 06:27:22 wait 06:27:22 It won’t work again so soon. 06:27:24 didn't you have like 06:27:24 5 06:27:25 nice fear collection 06:27:30 AFAIR 06:27:31 hey I'm back 06:27:32 he's not dead yet? 06:27:33 Maybe fog? 06:27:34 that was tele, elliott. telliott 06:27:40 Patashu: he practically is 06:27:40 Patashu: he did bad things 06:27:46 he's rested and run into the cyclops again about 5 times 06:27:47 Maybe fog, he says. 06:27:47 wtf 06:27:48 Such bad things 06:27:53 NihilistDandy: just 06:27:54 do nothing 06:27:55 also, fog only helps against ranged attacks 06:27:55 let us 06:27:56 think 06:28:00 let the cyclops kill you 06:28:04 Patashu: Good to know 06:28:05 monqy: no i 06:28:08 want him to die to a rat or something 06:28:09 you won't learn if you keep escaping death 06:28:11 ok 06:28:19 monqy: that's what i said btw 06:28:22 i don't know if you will or won't learn if you keep escaping death but 06:28:25 i just want you to die 06:28:27 at this point 06:28:28 NihilistDandy: just 06:28:28 press i 06:28:29 lol 06:28:30 this character can live on and become something glorious 06:28:31 let us look at your inventory 06:28:39 would enslavement work on a cyclops 06:28:41 Ooh, disintegration might work 06:28:43 no 06:28:43 stop 06:28:43 it would, but MR check first 06:28:46 lol 06:28:54 it also might not hit for all the cyclops hp 06:28:56 ooh, a bread ration might work 06:28:58 enslavement might be best because 06:28:59 Okay, well Gretell's not here, so... 06:29:00 it won't hit you any more 06:29:04 wield the chaos dagger 06:29:07 lmao 06:29:08 lol 06:29:09 "trust me on this" 06:29:09 'wield the chaos dagger' 06:29:10 no 06:29:13 lol 06:29:18 hey, it COULD work 06:29:18 then hit the cyclops 06:29:19 anyway 06:29:21 you might banish it 06:29:22 Throw the chaos dagger is the correct answer 06:29:25 come on it's worth a shot 06:29:26 NihilistDandy: zap enslavement at the cyclops 06:29:27 it's like 06:29:31 not going to work 06:29:32 you know what 06:29:33 if you throw it the chaos won't "proc" 06:29:33 but nothing else will either 06:29:35 it's probably out of rocks at this point 06:29:39 Patashu: ahahaha 06:29:42 Trust Me On This 06:29:44 hahahaha 06:29:45 wow 06:29:45 how 06:29:49 did he survive that 06:29:50 gdr 06:29:53 :-D 06:29:53 `log [s]trong with nihilist 06:29:55 ugh just hit it 06:29:55 easily resists 06:29:59 that means high MR right 06:30:00 no 06:30:01 stop 06:30:02 don't 06:30:02 just hit it 06:30:04 either you'll kill it soon enough or die 06:30:04 stop 06:30:05 it's how close it was to making the check 06:30:05 2012-05-04.txt:06:24:20: 2012-05-04.txt:05:16:20: sounds like the force is strong with nihilist 06:30:05 ahahahaha 06:30:07 you 06:30:07 YESSSSS 06:30:07 aposfkofdijgofhjtiuhyjtdy8t 06:30:08 :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 06:30:08 what 06:30:09 [rtijogfhiojghiojghiojgho 06:30:10 WHAT 06:30:11 hushiudfihuvdgiydvhidfhiudfhiudfhoudf 06:30:12 sklndgfm, hljkdhttslrae 06:30:13 congrats I guess 06:30:22 finally 06:30:22 that's one in a million, kid 06:30:26 ahahahaa 06:30:26 ooh 06:30:26 I’m sure crawl’s source code has special dice rolls for NihilistDandy. 06:30:28 maybe he'll die to this 06:30:33 i was expecting him to 06:30:35 start autoexploring again 06:30:36 before resting 06:30:38 quick 06:30:40 let him fend for himself on this one 06:30:40 let's all stop giving him advice 06:30:42 and see how long he lasts 06:30:43 wow he actually 06:30:43 yes 06:30:44 ducked 06:30:45 amazing 06:30:49 christ 06:31:02 i think he's doing this purposely to upset us by this point 06:31:24 I am actually a crawl master~ 06:31:29 no 06:31:30 rest 06:31:30 you 06:31:31 to be fair 06:31:32 thank you 06:31:33 :-D 06:31:34 it is pretty hilarious 06:31:34 also 06:31:36 no more advice 06:31:41 im still giving advice but 06:31:41 until he starts being good at crawl spontaneously 06:31:46 but what 06:31:46 it'll be advice of me not clawing my skin off 06:31:47 troll advice? 06:31:50 haha 06:31:55 Patashu: i have this 06:31:57 horrible vision 06:31:59 that he's going to win this game 06:32:03 :-D 06:32:04 that would be funny 06:32:07 but I bet he dies on vaults 8 06:32:17 NihilistDandy: lair 06:32:18 lair now 06:32:20 fucking lair 06:32:21 lair 06:32:30 no 06:32:31 god 06:32:32 dammit 06:32:34 rofl 06:32:34 bia 06:32:39 he can do the lair whenever he wants, maaaan 06:32:45 bia is going to suck 06:32:46 due to his piety 06:32:50 I'd use wands 06:33:02 ahahaha 06:33:18 no 06:33:18 dude 06:33:19 dont 06:33:20 ever 06:33:21 let him 06:33:22 melee a hydra 06:33:35 stop 06:33:37 you idiot 06:33:38 stop 06:33:46 I didn't mêlée it 06:33:49 you did 06:33:52 you did 06:33:52 because it grew another head 06:33:53 That was an attempt at BIA 06:34:01 btw 06:34:02 eight-headed 06:34:04 hits even harder 06:34:05 so 06:34:10 do you have heal wounds or whatever 06:34:15 drank it all 06:34:16 what is the effect of a hydra growing a head? 06:34:17 read all his blinking 06:34:23 quintopia: it gets stronger 06:34:26 NihilistDandy: hit _ 06:34:26 quintopia: more attacks 06:34:27 quintopia: It will become even more badass. 06:34:34 does it lose health? 06:34:43 monqy: art 06:34:46 anyway 06:34:50 Sav'd 06:34:52 NihilistDandy: try bia again 06:34:53 or 06:34:54 die 06:34:56 i don't know 06:34:59 DIE IT IS 06:35:02 does he even have any options here 06:35:02 * Sgeo plays with Bitlbee 06:35:06 no 06:35:06 stop 06:35:07 sotp 06:35:08 stop 06:35:10 how 06:35:10 whee 06:35:12 stop 06:35:14 stop 06:35:15 wow are you growing the hydra 06:35:15 what the hell is that picture squarelos sent 06:35:15 cheer up 06:35:16 wand it 06:35:16 stop 06:35:17 it's almost dead 06:35:17 before it heals 06:35:18 stop 06:35:20 how 06:35:20 wand it wand it 06:35:20 elliott, who are you talking to? 06:35:20 use lightning on it 06:35:22 no 06:35:24 he cannot survive this 06:35:26 disinteg it 06:35:28 Sgeo: NihilistDandy 06:35:30 ok 06:35:32 don't disint it 06:35:33 again 06:35:34 ok 06:35:35 lightning it 06:35:35 lightning? 06:35:38 lightning 06:35:41 disint has an MR check 06:35:42 jesus 06:35:43 which is gay 06:35:45 fucking christ 06:35:45 lol 06:36:03 no 06:36:04 blink frog 06:36:05 zombies 06:36:05 are 06:36:07 haha 06:36:07 not 06:36:09 you will die 06:36:11 next turn 06:36:14 stop 06:36:16 stop 06:36:17 sotp 06:36:19 stop 06:36:19 go to the upstairs 06:36:21 how 06:36:23 stop 06:36:25 wraiths are not 06:36:27 seriously 06:36:29 there's an upstairs right there 06:36:31 take it 06:36:50 wow look at that 06:36:52 -magically- 06:36:54 you are out of danger 06:36:58 aren't staircases fucking amazing 06:37:01 (not like brogue's) 06:37:02 wait until a centaur warrior comes 'round the corner 06:37:03 lol 06:37:09 eh 06:37:11 if a centaur appears 06:37:12 he can read fog 06:37:14 since he's in a corridor 06:37:17 ok 06:37:18 lair 06:37:19 immediately 06:37:20 no 06:37:21 i will not accept 06:37:24 disagreements 06:37:25 GL 06:37:27 GL 06:37:29 GL 06:37:30 I expected him to go back down the stairs without resting and then kill the wraith without dying. 06:37:31 I need to find food 06:37:31 no!!!! 06:37:33 GL 06:37:35 ion: :D 06:37:36 eat? 06:37:38 NihilistDandy: dude the lair has 06:37:42 so many things you can eat 06:37:45 it's crawling with minor bugs 06:37:50 and the entrance is 06:37:52 on this level 06:38:04 Yeesh, fine 06:38:33 GL 06:38:48 f i n a l l y 06:39:15 so, let's take bets on death cause 06:39:17 1) hydra 06:39:19 2) blink frog pack 06:39:22 3) death yak pack 06:39:24 4) comedy option 06:39:25 green rat 06:39:29 so 4 06:39:31 NihilistDandy: enxhant weapon 06:39:32 *enchant 06:39:56 his EV is 9 06:39:58 what happened with that 06:40:02 oh he got drained 06:40:05 and wasn't training armour 06:40:10 draining lowers your skills? 06:40:15 doesn't it? ok 06:40:20 NihilistDandy: can you please start taking our advice 06:40:21 god I hope it doesn't 06:40:21 more seriouslyn ow 06:40:23 *seriously now 06:40:27 Patashu: i have no idea, i was just guessing 06:40:46 I've been taking it seriously, I've just also been ignoring some of it for entertainment value 06:40:54 Don't pretend you don't enjoy my exploits :D 06:41:14 i wonder if that cloakis better than yours 06:41:16 probably not 06:41:19 it was pretty funny when he did absolutely everything wrong 06:41:20 and lived anyway 06:41:27 if he was xl27 it'd be a candidate for great near misses 06:41:51 Elven cloaks add stealthiness, but that’s irrelevant for your character. 06:41:52 Patashu: if these aren't some of the most-watched tvs 06:41:54 there is no justice 06:41:59 *don't become 06:42:18 Oh, are there people outside this channel watching this shit? 06:42:21 The TV would need to have this IRC discussion merged to the game. 06:42:27 That may be more hilarious 06:42:29 NihilistDandy: no, but moments can be recalled for TV 06:42:31 later on 06:42:33 Neato 06:42:36 your meat has gone off i think 06:42:39 (it's usually used to laugh at tile players' stupid deaths) 06:42:44 quintopia: TWSS 06:42:54 Tile players? 06:43:02 you have five viewers, so me ion quintopia monqy 06:43:04 and Patashu 06:43:09 NihilistDandy: people who play with the graphical tilesets 06:43:22 What makes them more prone to stupid deaths? 06:43:34 tiles are awful, people who use them are awful 06:44:16 I bought ten. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACGYVER-Original-floating-home-used-Richard-Dean-Andersons-home-TV-series-/140738046722?afsrc=1 06:44:27 once you have axes at 26 or 27 06:44:29 turn on armour and fighting 06:44:54 i love lair's doors 06:44:56 what's with them 06:44:58 they just 06:44:59 put doors there 06:45:03 lair generates a dungeon map 06:45:06 and then randomly adds noise 06:45:39 J for jelly eh? 06:46:16 ^F. 06:46:20 "Due to the incredible response on this auction, we have contacted the Guinness Book of World Records to see if we can create a new category for "Most Views on a Single Item on eBay"." 06:46:51 G> 06:47:08 Well, shit 06:47:19 < 06:47:29 i assign Patashu to blink frog duty 06:47:56 NihilistDandy: no point wandering around 06:48:00 you can go downstairs, it just requires planning 06:48:10 ion: Patashu: monqy: 06:48:19 hello 06:48:26 hi 06:48:47 he's going to die, you have to arrange it to be enterataining 06:48:49 *entertaining 06:49:08 Though knowing me, I might *not* die in the most hilarious way possible 06:49:52 ion: if you don't advice him 06:49:53 Jesus, I've been playing for 4 hours? 06:49:55 he'll start doing stupid stuff 06:49:57 *advise idk 06:51:22 he’ll “start doing stupid stuff”? 06:51:28 yeah yeah 06:51:29 just 06:51:30 do something 06:51:33 *stuff* 06:51:55 Press and hold tab 06:51:58 no 06:51:58 (don’t) 06:52:11 Gonna go ahead and smoke a pipe while you guys confer. My strategy involves BIA and holding tab. Maybe some Hand 06:52:16 oh, blink frogs 06:52:17 read ?tele 06:52:20 Or jerk. Haven't done that in a while 06:52:21 Patashu: he's on < 06:52:22 *berk 06:52:25 oh 06:52:26 use the < then 06:52:27 stairdance 06:52:28 he did 06:52:30 no that's awful 06:52:34 sigh 06:52:35 fine 06:52:37 what 06:52:38 That was an awesome Freudian typo. 06:52:40 NihilistDandy: press < and kill it 06:52:40 stairdancing is a great idea 06:52:42 now he only has to kill one thing 06:52:45 (or two I guess) 06:52:48 ion: i suspect it was intentional 06:53:01 sacrifice the other corpse 06:53:03 and then rest 06:53:25 cyan ugly thing? 06:53:29 ugly things can appear in lair? 06:53:57 that was lucky as shit 06:54:02 rest 06:54:03 no 06:54:04 dude 06:54:04 lol 06:54:04 i 06:54:05 now rest 06:54:07 rest 06:54:08 rest 06:54:10 rest 06:54:13 kill that 06:54:14 and eat it 06:54:21 what 06:54:22 are you DOING 06:54:22 you can kill it it's OK 06:54:25 lol 06:54:51 aand again 06:54:58 ok good 06:56:29 Hmm. Not great for mêlée 06:56:41 if it's alone you can tab it 06:56:51 I forgot how aggressive my autocorrect is 06:56:56 wait 06:56:58 your autocorrect -does- that 06:57:02 Yeah 06:57:03 I thought you were just being annoying 06:57:04 hahaha 06:57:16 lol 06:57:19 Sadly, no 06:57:21 (the 'sick' status turns off regen) 06:57:38 yake 06:57:41 monqy: are you watching this 06:57:46 its not to b mise 06:57:46 mmm, yaks 06:57:57 i love how you run to 06:57:59 Still no Trog gifts? I suppose not since you’ve been using BIA so much. 06:58:02 things that don't even resemble chokepoints 06:58:04 I mean, new ones. 06:58:05 ion: he's had two... 06:58:06 ah 06:58:11 yeah he needs to 06:58:15 p on all those corpses 06:58:17 p all over them 06:58:42 New wand 06:58:49 Rest 06:58:58 … 06:58:59 zap test 06:59:05 ion: it's only 84/92 he's been worse 06:59:19 Against a wall, so it gets id’d if it’s a wand of digging. 07:01:03 NihilistDandy: black mambas aren't that dangerous 07:01:09 you have rpois; they just hit kinda hard 07:01:10 sure they are 07:01:11 but he's diesel 07:01:28 Whoops 07:01:32 Read the wrong E 07:01:41 congrats 07:01:45 potions 07:01:46 id all those potions 07:01:47 and maybe r 07:01:58 Try r on first. 07:02:05 if you have a scroll of remove curse. 07:02:30 ID a potion 07:02:33 O 07:02:34 id O 07:02:38 haha 07:02:43 useful 07:02:44 quaff 'em 07:02:48 obviously 07:02:50 no 07:02:50 i 07:02:55 I will so do it 07:02:56 ok do it fine 07:02:59 why the hell not 07:03:00 Nah 07:03:13 A GIFT 07:03:21 junk 07:03:25 well 07:03:28 unless it's flaming 07:03:28 -!- noseovertail has joined. 07:03:29 then it's a swap 07:03:29 try it 07:03:34 This is my channel! 07:03:36 Yea! 07:03:39 `welcome noseovertail 07:03:42 `@ noseovertail ? esoteric 07:03:44 Hey elliot! 07:03:45 meh, anti-magic again 07:03:47 ok 07:03:49 noseovertail: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 07:03:51 back to the exec 07:04:01 noseovertail: This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. 07:04:02 o I thought this was esoteric terrance mckenna style 07:04:02 mmm, yaks 07:04:06 now can you swap back to the exec 07:04:08 LOL thanks 07:04:17 -!- noseovertail has left. 07:04:19 No esotericism here. 07:04:20 haha 07:04:21 Just anti-magic. 07:04:28 I knew that guy was in the wrong place. 07:04:34 The excitement of having found the right channel tipped my off. 07:04:35 *me 07:04:43 Nobody has trouble finding a channel about esoteric programming languages. 07:04:54 Done. Next level. 07:05:00 the lair is 8 levels btw 07:05:07 you're not going to find a better axe 07:05:44 the only kind of axe you'd want at this point is speed, vampiric, or flaming (for hydras) 07:05:59 or maybe holy wrath but you're not getting that 07:06:58 NihilistDandy: what were the two rings 07:07:19 junk 07:07:21 well 07:07:25 not necessarily 07:07:29 but not better than what you have 07:08:24 wow 07:08:26 look at all the things 07:08:35 clearly you need to keep hitting the hydra that isn't hurt at all 07:08:43 dude 07:08:43 stop 07:08:44 wtf 07:08:46 you're going to die next turn 07:08:47 stop 07:08:49 sotp moving 07:08:51 stop 07:08:52 it's cool 07:08:53 see 07:08:53 stop 07:08:55 stop 07:08:56 open the map 07:08:57 wow 07:09:06 no 07:09:07 dude 07:09:08 stop 07:09:12 NihilistDandy: you are going to die 07:09:14 if you do not listen to us 07:09:14 btw 07:09:18 use hand to regen faster if you're in danger 07:09:18 hit __ 07:09:20 hit _ 07:09:22 he's not going to die 07:09:34 btw are you training armour and fighting yet 07:09:36 you should 07:09:36 monqy: he was going to 07:09:43 he's not at mindelay yet 07:09:44 but 07:09:45 You said at 26 or 27 07:09:46 if you want to you can 07:09:54 hit _ 07:10:00 (I don't know if the 'min delay first' rule still applys for execs) 07:10:02 Who's squarelos? 07:10:09 having defenses and hp is important 07:10:14 This is my channel! 07:10:14 Yea! 07:10:14 obsessing over mindelay is silly 07:10:16 yeah, ok 07:10:18 turn on fighting and armour 07:10:30 also: other benefits from Fighting 07:10:33 like: damage etc etc 07:10:42 is it worth focusing axes 07:10:44 when it's so high 07:10:50 i'd defocus axes and focus fighting 07:10:51 "mindelay" 07:11:08 NihilistDandy: ps you're near starving 07:11:12 NihilistDandy: what armour are you in 07:12:53 > wait until not nauseous so you can finish your chunks > eat a ration instead??? 07:12:54 : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) 07:12:56 welcome to crawl 07:13:11 Patashu: Nausea's annoying 07:13:21 it is, but you didn't have to eat a ration either 07:13:26 nbd, keep playing 07:13:46 stop 07:13:48 go to the upstairs 07:14:02 why does he never notice _ 07:14:08 rofl 07:14:09 there we go 07:14:15 go up again 07:14:16 what 07:14:17 ok too late 07:14:23 haha 07:14:31 just 07:14:34 go up and down the stairs 07:14:35 at your leisure 07:14:38 stop 07:14:38 btw 07:14:42 going up and down the stairs takes 1-2 turns 07:14:44 god 07:14:44 finally 07:14:44 there we go 07:14:45 Woof 07:14:49 That was awesome 07:14:54 why did you do that 07:14:55 Mostly I just needed to go to bed 07:15:02 It was fun :D 07:15:04 monqy: he died 07:15:10 he died deliberately though 07:15:12 so it wasn't as funny 07:15:13 NihilistDandy: i predict you will never reach that stage again 07:15:25 08:15 who is nihilistdandy? 07:15:29 i don't know how to answer this question 07:15:31 elliott: I think you will find that Trog provides for the ones who bring him blood 07:15:50 08:15 and why did they stairdance a hydra several times without any plan? 07:16:04 it has already begun 07:16:15 lololol 07:16:17 TROG 07:16:19 TROG 07:16:20 TROG 07:16:21 TROG 07:16:37 couldn't you go to bed without dying? 07:16:38 monqy: he's on tv 07:16:47 monqy: Link? 07:16:56 NihilistDandy: telnet termcast.develz.org 07:16:57 b 07:18:02 oh no did you die 07:19:22 08:19 this isn't bad for 5 games 07:19:24 Yeah, but on purpose and to trivial challenges 07:19:24 monqy: how can he ever understand 07:22:51 Patashu: muck 07:23:16 :D 07:23:24 do you even know what muck is 07:26:03 Yes 07:26:22 what is it 07:26:30 Assuming we're still talking about text games, that is 07:26:39 yes, but probably not what you're thinking of 07:27:00 i'm referring to mummy chaos knight 07:27:04 Patashu: muck!!! 07:27:08 Oh, lol 07:27:31 Patashu: no you're doing it all wrong 07:27:33 die and go for muck 07:27:46 Next time I'll play muck 07:27:50 And I will rock it 07:28:02 nobody rocks muck 07:28:06 not even monqy and all he plays is muck 07:28:13 ragdoll rocks muck 07:28:37 Okay, too much talking in that channel 07:28:42 Patashu: you are going to disto a gsc and wield it right 07:29:11 and never let go 07:30:45 it's tempting 07:30:54 I don't know if I want to win or have fun yet 07:30:58 you can do 07:30:59 ~both~ 07:31:22 oh man 07:31:23 are you serious 07:31:30 yes 07:31:31 elliott, esolangs doesn't use php-cgi does it? 07:31:33 win with disto gsc 07:31:34 Or whatever 07:31:38 Sgeo: Why'd you ask? 07:31:38 so, ogres can't use armour, right? 07:31:42 so I should go spell casting hybrid at some point 07:31:44 elliott, bug, etc. 07:31:54 It uses php-fcgi. 07:32:01 "nginx+php-fpm are not affected" - so no. 07:32:10 Ah, ok 07:32:22 ?-s dumping source code would be irrelevant, anyway. 07:32:22 Maybe you meant: . ? @ ask bf do ft id msg pl rc v wn 07:32:31 The only exposed files are common MediaWiki stuff. 07:33:50 Somehow, I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Life is a more usable programming environment than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC_Programming 07:34:06 Patashu: you're meant to dig or sth i think 07:34:37 08:34 Deleted sastopher[1/1]: Orc -> Elf -> Lair -> Swamp -> Snake -> Slime 07:34:39 wow what an order 07:35:16 pikhq_: It's probably easier to make a game of pong, anyway 07:35:21 * Sgeo is now interested in zero-player games 07:35:45 NihilistDandy: I'm not sure that BASIC Programming cart is even TC. 07:35:55 Sgeo: aka simulations 07:36:12 While Game of Life, of course, is. Modulo infinite space, of course. 07:36:21 Awesome 07:36:29 Math wins again 07:36:56 wow, what the hell 07:36:59 I have -five- heal wounds potions 07:37:01 and I'm only on D:3 07:37:03 Nice 07:37:18 'You can now bend space around yourself.' 07:37:19 is that good 07:37:26 that happened to me once 07:37:32 oh, it's blink+dispersal 07:37:33 cool 07:37:51 kmc: you should play crawl so all this stuff makes sense to you 07:37:58 don't you always bend space around yourself? 07:37:59 drugs: like video game powerups for real life 07:38:33 Sgeo: now ##crawl know my SECRET IDENTITY!!! 07:38:43 'You can now bend more space around yourself' just lacks panache. 07:40:16 wow 07:40:18 that bend space sure helped! 07:40:27 ~first heal wounds quaff of the game~ 07:40:40 What, that you're a scientist who, in a tragic type-level programming accident, created the most chaotic IRC bot possessed of AI and a taste for text games ever seen? 07:41:04 lambdabot being a close second. 07:41:31 Does DF count as a text game? 07:41:47 Sgeo: well i was rambling in #gamedev the other day about non-interactive games 07:42:04 Yes. 07:42:12 Or rather, a glyph game or whatever. 07:42:19 and how flash movies on newgrounds might almost count as games 07:42:45 you guys are already familiar with the nature of my rants though. 07:43:05 That flash is awful and shut up that is the end of the discussion? 07:43:17 nods 07:44:06 What do you imagine it would take to wipe PHP off the programming map? 07:44:34 tipex 07:44:41 Other than extermination (fsvo "other") 07:45:20 *Tipp-Ex 07:45:34 Unless you think...YES 07:45:36 Of course 07:45:43 An Israel pop band has been the key all along 07:45:50 *Israeli 07:45:50 humm.. drive it to near extinction 07:46:08 *fuckyou 07:46:20 *marryme 07:46:34 Teapacks (also known as Tipex) (Hebrew: טיפקס‎) was an Israeli band that formed in 1988 in the southern Israeli city of Sderot. Originally the band was named after the correction fluid Tipp-Ex, but the name was then changed so as not to infringe on the well-known brand. 07:46:48 Oh, fair point 07:47:10 go to guy for tipp-ex 07:47:27 Being European helps with that 07:47:42 We call that whiteout (Wite-Out) 07:48:31 Yeah, um, that's the first time I've seen "Tipp-Ex". 07:48:48 hey, elliot 07:48:50 want to see how my first ogak died 07:48:51 it was unreal 07:48:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI_S0tswjWc 07:49:00 Patashu: k 07:49:10 I probably played wrong 07:49:11 but it was funny 07:49:19 elliott: I like this song already 07:49:30 They sound a bit like DDT or Gogol Bordello 07:49:49 And a little like Zlad 07:50:20 blonk 07:50:24 mmm, meph 07:50:35 so I hit it a bunch but suck at combat 07:50:39 so I have to guzzle ?heal wounds like a moron 07:50:44 NihilistDandy: this song is actually great 07:50:46 i mean 07:50:52 for eurovision at the least 07:50:58 Yeah, I'm into it 07:51:14 then I realize 'this isn't working' 07:51:17 Patashu: your error was using mephitic cloud 07:51:18 so I back up and use the goblin as cover 07:51:23 until the goblin gets confused and stops being my meat shield 07:51:26 and then I just run for the stairs 07:51:27 and then 07:51:28 this happens 07:51:41 fucking game 07:51:46 I laughed, though 07:51:49 elliott: shachaf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/monqy.png 07:51:50 rip 07:51:59 I got confused and fell down the stairs 07:52:00 monqy: you neglected to misspell your name!!! 07:52:02 otherwise gr8 gr8 gr8 07:52:03 yet it still took like 3 turns for it to stop 07:52:09 how do i misspell "monqy" 07:52:10 is that what you look like 07:52:14 monqy: monky 07:52:16 oh 07:52:25 i also "forgot" to put monqy before the thing 07:52:34 its ok you get a special self-portrait 07:52:36 maybe my "forgettings" cancel each other out 07:52:46 im going to set that as the esolang wiki's background 07:53:13 I'm thinking ghoul next time. I like getting health from consuming corpses 07:53:21 & yes that is what i look at 07:53:24 especially in real life 07:53:31 That's exactly what I expected 07:53:57 monqy: are you a pear 07:54:00 yes 07:54:06 ah 07:54:16 i'm not 07:54:20 We are all pears here. Pear-reviewed esolang discussion 07:56:16 monqy: what's crawl 07:56:24 i dont know 07:56:32 me too 07:57:33 Oh, crawl? You guys should try it! It's a roguelike, but with no rules or strategies, just cowboys 07:59:32 console cowboys? 08:00:06 elliott: help should i use faith or clarity 08:00:27 uhhhh 08:00:29 faith means xom acts more but clarity means he won't confuse me (assuming that bug's fixed where xom confuses through clarity) which means less lame deaths 08:00:38 do you want to laugh or win 08:00:42 D: 08:00:52 ostensibly less lame deaths means more laughs 08:01:01 go for clarity then 08:02:51 @time monqy 08:02:52 Local time for monqy is Fri May 4 01:02:51 2012 08:02:58 monqy: oops 08:03:02 deazly 08:06:06 monqy: rip 08:07:07 Maybe Xom is what was missing from my last play 08:07:29 well 08:07:32 xom would make your play more NihilistDandy 08:07:36 but i think you need to make it less NihilistDandy instead 08:07:47 are you watching squarelos? 08:07:55 No, should I? 08:07:58 well 08:08:00 it's always an experience 08:08:24 Who the hell is he, anyway? 08:08:28 monqy 08:08:29 In channel, that is 08:08:32 Oh, okay 08:08:36 this is the second time i've told you that 08:08:54 the flashing square thing is his, that's not part of the game itself 08:09:07 also he has both autoexplore and a custom autofight script on space and bashes it a lot 08:09:08 uh 08:09:10 kinda like you actually 08:09:26 I might be in love 08:09:34 He is much faster, of course 08:10:06 I like "squarelos the Poker" 08:10:08 monqy: running from sigmund? how could you 08:10:20 I was slowed then got confused and then sandwiched with an ogre 08:10:27 he just wants to say hi 08:11:45 monqy: you should convert to chei 08:12:51 why 08:13:04 monqy: exactly 08:13:17 imagine all the fun of xom and all the slow of chei 08:17:01 09:16 who's on squarelos? 08:17:04 i don't understand this question 08:17:07 monqy: has anyone but you ever been on squraelos 08:17:10 *squarelos 08:17:15 yes 08:17:20 in the past year 08:17:24 yes 08:17:28 in the past 6 months 08:17:31 i think so 08:17:33 in the past 3 months 08:17:34 ask blade 08:17:40 who isn't online 08:17:42 in the past 24 hours 08:17:44 in the past 3 minutes 08:18:56 I just got 6 silver javelins from Xom 08:19:12 are you really 08:19:13 playing muck 08:19:17 Yeah 08:19:20 Doing okay, too 08:19:23 monqy: you might want to tell NihilistDandy why muck is a bad idea even if xom 08:19:29 LIKE YOU DIDN'T TO ME FOR MY FIRST FEW GAMES 08:19:29 NihilistDandy: muck is a bad idea 08:19:41 was i even around then 08:19:41 i said why not tha 08:19:42 *that 08:19:45 monqy: i don't remember 08:19:54 i chose muck because of you though 08:20:18 NihilistDandy: it's this bad: 09:20 muck[1/1]: Win this (without abandoning Xom) and you can win any argument before it starts. 08:21:12 what a great grinder strategy 08:21:12 i 08:21:13 no 08:21:15 you're kidding me 08:21:19 monqy: watch nihilistdandy 08:21:20 he just 08:21:25 meleed grinder with 22 hp and died 08:21:32 but xom revived him and gave him a crimson imp 08:21:44 this is awful he's going to survive again 08:21:45 Shit was so cash 08:21:49 No, I died 08:21:53 thank god 08:21:57 don't play muck 08:22:01 Being crazy is totally worth it, though 08:22:09 you can play ck 08:22:12 just don't play mu with it 08:22:28 The lack of hunger is really convenient, though 08:22:34 yeah but 08:22:37 you also can't quaff potions 08:22:43 Also, short sword 08:22:44 which xom makes even worse than it already is 08:22:50 spear is the best starting weapon 08:22:51 monqy wisdom 08:23:02 Right, short sword is the worst 08:23:19 you should open that door 08:23:20 no 08:23:21 the other one 08:23:25 no 08:23:28 if youre playing muck 08:23:33 then thats the kind of thing youre doing on a regular basis 08:23:51 don't you dare fucking survive 08:23:55 jesus christ 08:24:00 lol 08:25:11 monqy: hi 08:25:26 elliott: chaos spear zerked the trol 08:25:51 SID 08:25:56 monqy: has anyone won muck with xom 08:25:56 ? 08:26:00 elliott: yes 08:26:04 NihilistDandy: it doesn't matter 08:26:05 you're muck 08:26:11 pick anything, you will die the same 08:26:21 elliott: contrary to popular belief, i'm not the best player, and i certainly got worse after my hiatus 08:26:29 monqy: nonsense 08:26:31 you're the best player 08:26:39 how else could you dispense such pure wisdom 08:27:13 Oh, and I haven't even touched my skills 08:27:19 This is crazy 08:27:29 monqy: for example 08:27:34 monqy: has anyone else made their player into a flashing square 08:28:12 I don';t think so 08:28:30 monqy: exactly 08:29:00 I have a ring of see invisible 08:29:05 This is great news 08:29:12 closest would probably be xomscumming (ragdoll), who uses a flashing M 08:29:46 i know them because they died to a butterfly 08:29:50 (i asked sequell) 08:29:57 ah yes, I was around for that 08:30:07 was it intentional 08:30:10 yes 08:30:18 that makes it less cool 08:30:20 we had a "dying to things without attacks" party 08:30:21 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 08:30:35 like fungi and toadstools and plants and bushes and butterflies 08:30:46 good 08:30:59 Level 4 08:32:24 Is there a scroll with very specific requirements for use? I've used this one near enemies and walls, but it doesn't seem to do anything 08:32:35 Oh, curse jewelry 08:32:37 Sweet 08:32:55 Cursed ring of see invisible :D 08:33:19 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:34:30 elliott: have you tried smart kobold yet 08:34:33 monqy: no should i 08:34:36 yes 08:34:40 right now? 08:34:42 sure 08:34:43 i'd say to termcast it but 08:34:46 :'( 08:34:51 i could 08:34:53 stream it 08:34:54 if you know of a 08:35:01 not-completely-terrible thing for that 08:35:03 uhhhhh 08:35:06 depends on your standards 08:35:11 low 08:35:15 well high but 08:35:17 i can't expect much 08:35:24 i use justin.tv because it's the first thing i found a hacky shell script thingy to stream with 08:35:32 where by hacky shell script thingy i mean 08:35:43 elliott: If you were watching a second ago, you'd have shit yourself with rage at my survival 08:35:45 what to pass to ffmpeg to make it do streamy 08:36:03 monqy: the os x thing is still a problem 08:36:07 turns out ogak is better once you know you can pray over corpses 08:36:12 i'll try building it 08:37:19 Level 5 08:37:36 yaey 08:38:23 Now download libtcod1.5.0 and install into ../lib. You can copy the 08:38:23 version in ../../linux/lib to ../lib to get this effect. 08:38:25 uugh 08:38:28 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:38:39 ok let me try wine 08:39:37 wow, this ogak is crazy 08:39:44 I just met two ogres in a row and suffered no problems whatsoever 08:39:46 O_O 08:39:49 he's just suddenly...good??? 08:40:11 monqy: im compiling wine 08:40:20 failing that i'll reboot i think i have a disused linux partition on here 08:41:47 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:41:59 Warning: Clang currently miscompiles some parts of Wine. If you have gcc, you 08:41:59 can get a more stable build with: 08:41:59 brew install wine --use-gcc 08:42:00 oopse 08:43:01 monqy: i need squarelos entertainment for all this effort 08:43:09 ok 08:46:55 monqy: what happened 08:46:58 bad 08:47:16 rip 08:48:13 Srg 08:48:21 i didn't notice the water mocasine 08:50:31 is smart kobold really hard to play :( 08:50:59 depends on what you mean hard, play 08:51:05 thanks 08:52:26 god this build is so slow 08:52:28 @time monqy 08:52:31 Local time for monqy is Fri May 4 01:52:29 2012 08:52:35 happy 01:52:59 08:52:57 why couldn't you just get libtcod is there no mac libtcod or something 08:53:38 i guess i could i just 08:53:42 gave up after seeing it's not in homebrew 08:53:48 oh 08:54:26 should i just compile it myself 08:54:27 ill try it 08:54:43 where's the source 08:56:36 http://doryen.eptalys.net/libtcod/ oh no wheres the sourc 08:56:50 oh theres "svn" oh it's 404 08:57:11 https://bitbucket.org/jice/libtcod sourc 08:57:18 yeah i found that 08:57:59 how do i build libtcod 08:58:08 there's cmake crap and stuff here 08:58:09 no clue 08:58:13 uuugh 08:58:14 well 08:58:16 wine installed 08:58:17 ive only ever just used the binarys 08:58:18 lemme try this 08:58:20 ok 08:59:19 oh hey 08:59:20 i 08:59:22 found a thing 08:59:45 An application has requested X11 to change the resolution of your display. X11 will restore the display to its previous state when the requesting application requests to return to the previous state. Alternatively, you can use the ⌥⌘A key sequence to force X11 to return to the previous state. 08:59:45 help 09:00:04 monqy: go on 09:00:20 i can make my language change every turn i think 09:00:29 im going to do it 09:00:30 oh 09:00:30 howso 09:00:38 i discovered: crawl.setopt 09:00:43 omg 09:00:43 monqy: make it 09:00:46 change charset every turn 09:00:48 so the walls flahs 09:00:49 *flash 09:02:12 * elliott installs cmake oops 09:02:45 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:03:31 -!- elliott has joined. 09:04:54 it works 09:04:54 monqy: its not work 09:04:56 oh does it 09:04:57 oh so it does 09:05:05 monqy: you should make it never choose the same one twice in a row 09:05:13 also you didn't do the charset thing :'( (creibriadoses) 09:05:16 :( 09:05:30 monqy: wait i have a better idea 09:05:39 monqy: make the layout of the stats display change every turn 09:05:54 i'm going to make the hud panel change colours 09:07:04 wow im going to make so many of my options random 09:07:06 it's going to be great 09:07:53 just change a random option randomly each tur 09:07:54 *turn 09:08:02 wait 09:08:02 wait 09:08:22 monqy: change whether the messages are on top or bottom randomly every 50 turns or so 09:08:30 aaaahgh yesss 09:10:02 ../dircontrol.h:41: error: ‘NAME_MAX’ was not declared in this scope 09:10:02 ugh 09:10:28 ../firefly.cpp:65: error: ‘class TCODConsole’ has no member named ‘setBack’ 09:10:29 ugh 09:10:39 ... 09:10:52 That's the first time I've been highlighted because of a file name, I think 09:11:43 monqy: im maybe going to reboot into os x; does the justintv shell script you found support streaming a single window 09:12:19 no :( but if you make the streamy portion small and put your window in the top right of your screen it "works just fine" 09:12:34 probably there are better shell scripts but i just haven't needed one 09:12:34 uugh 09:12:37 that's annoying because 09:12:42 i want to tab to irc 09:12:45 ok i'll keep hacking this source 09:14:49 ugh 09:14:51 this tcod shit 09:14:53 is so shitty 09:14:58 the stable release 09:15:00 has no build system 09:15:02 the hg stuff 09:15:03 doesn't work 09:15:19 do the binarys do they not work?? 09:16:08 http://doryen.eptalys.net/libtcod/download/ 09:16:11 do you see an os x binary here 09:16:18 oh whoa there is 09:16:18 but 09:16:21 it's of too old a version 09:16:39 also a beta release 09:16:42 "beta" 09:16:47 smart kobold wants 1.5.0 09:17:02 hows wine 09:17:08 it just crashed 09:17:13 =/ 09:17:16 uhhh do i have a virtual machine thing on here 09:17:20 nope 09:17:32 ill try upgrading x11 09:20:17 monqy: ugh this stuff looks like a pain 09:20:19 where's your script 09:20:24 what script 09:20:30 oh 09:20:32 that thing 09:21:50 where i found it was http://michaelchinen.com/2011/06/27/justin-tv-streaming-in-linux/ but searching for justin tv ffmpeg returns a lot more results which might be better 09:22:10 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10050988/haskell-removes-all-occurrences-of-a-given-value-from-within-a-list-of-lists 09:22:13 scroll down to the last answer :D 09:22:20 monqy: that's what i found too 09:23:23 also this deleted one 09:23:23 [[ 09:23:25 Thanks to your class mate I seem to have proof you are cheating on my coursework! Mr Badr expect 0% for your Haskell coursework and we may even remove the marks already attained in your previous coursework. Furthermore this username will be sent to other all the lectures who will check for plagiarism in for their coursework. You have been warned and have been told several times that you must not do this and their will be a severe pena 09:23:26 lty! Your autumn modules will be reviewed too! 09:23:28 Please Contact the your tutor who will give you advice on this situation. 09:23:30 ]] 09:26:55 monqy: how did your configuration go 09:26:59 uhh 09:27:01 configuration?? 09:27:17 crawl 09:27:19 oh 09:27:20 it's 09:27:22 still going 09:32:29 wow changing status caption colour each turn makes it so they each get a different colour that applies when they're updated 09:33:18 i want to se 09:33:20 *see 09:33:35 that's good 09:33:40 not quite good enough yet though 09:33:47 right i've only just started 09:34:48 Error: No available formula for zenity 09:34:48 ugh 09:36:06 monqy: might have smart kobold running soon 09:36:17 yesss!! 09:38:42 what else to randomis hm 09:39:22 Unhandled exception: unimplemented function msvcp80.dll.??0?$basic_ifstream@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@@std@@QAE@PBDHH@Z called in 32-bit code (0x7b82756c). 09:39:23 ugh 09:40:44 monqy: ill try linux 09:40:55 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:42:25 -!- elliott has joined. 09:42:30 ugh this installation is disused 09:42:31 monqy: hi 09:42:47 helo 09:43:50 ./kobold_bin: error while loading shared libraries: libtcod.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 09:43:53 i forget what this error means 09:44:43 libtcod.so is in ../lib 09:44:47 er 09:44:51 well 09:44:53 somewhere in there 09:44:54 right but 09:44:57 i copied it 09:44:57 so 09:45:08 oh hmm 09:45:15 did you copy it onto your loadpath 09:45:21 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. works :p 09:47:38 -!- elliott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:47:41 -!- elliott_ has joined. 09:47:48 monqy: it ~sort~of~works~ 09:47:58 i start it and little lines of blue light dance at the top of the screen 09:48:00 and the music starts 09:48:01 and they keep dancinga 09:48:04 *dancing 09:48:06 and nothing else happens 09:48:08 and it's fullscreen 09:48:17 unfollscren it 09:48:19 how 09:48:23 theres a thing 09:48:28 thanks 09:48:42 when you start it 09:48:53 thers a togl full screen option 09:48:55 no 09:48:57 you don't understand 09:49:03 it does not show anything on my screen apart from the tiny lines of light at the top 09:49:28 uhhhh 09:49:32 how did that happen 09:49:46 let me check my crystal ball. 09:50:26 does anyone know how to force sdl to be windowed 09:50:32 alternatively 09:50:39 you could try wineing it 09:50:40 monqy: what exact keystrokes do i need from it starting to get it windowed 09:50:42 so i could do it blind 09:50:51 no, it doesn't work in wine, i tried on os x 09:50:56 it was an error with an unimplemented function 09:50:56 so 09:51:20 jjjjjjj 09:52:03 noted 09:52:09 how long do you have to wait before starting it for that to work 09:52:11 loading time and stuff 09:52:19 and does the music take a while to start for you too 09:52:30 the music happens once you start playing the game 09:52:46 huh, it suddenly started working 09:52:57 it's a bit small windowed :( 09:53:02 :( 09:53:07 i'll lower my resolutionle 09:53:09 *resolution 09:53:10 less to stream too 09:54:03 monqy: link script again? 09:55:34 http://michaelchinen.com/2011/06/27/justin-tv-streaming-in-linux/ i had to change it a bit to get it working but 09:55:42 can i have your copy 09:55:43 ive done enough 09:55:44 changing 09:55:45 for one day 09:56:41 i changed the qual line to 09:56:45 QUAL="ipod320" # one of the many FFMPEG preset 09:56:55 since thats a ffmpeg preset for me and "fast" is not 09:57:02 and i changed the ffmpeg invokation to 09:57:06 ffmpeg -f x11grab -s "$INRES" -r "$FPS" -i :0.0 -f alsa -ac 2 -i hw:0,0 -vol 4096 -vcodec libx264 -vpre "$QUAL" -s "$OUTRES" -acodec libmp3lame -ar 11025 -ab 128k -threads 0 -f flv "rtmp://live.justin.tv/app/$STREAM_KEY flashver=FMLE/3.0\20(compatible;\20FMSc/1.0)" 09:57:14 because of i forget why 09:57:24 oh right uh 09:57:31 thaaaaaaaats a bit broken i think 09:57:40 because there's one part that I should have changed 09:57:41 but I didn't 09:57:45 and II keep forgetting to 09:58:04 the -vol thing i think it is 09:58:24 im like 3 seconds away from giving up on this and never playing smart kobold 09:58:28 since i've gotten reports of my streams have hilaribad clippy audio 09:58:32 :( 09:58:48 at least play smart kobold, even if you don't stream it 09:58:52 how bad will the quality be at 960x600 anyway 09:58:58 i doubt you'll be able to see the individual tiles 09:59:00 dunno 09:59:32 what target fps??? 09:59:32 should i use 09:59:43 i just 20 for that 10:00:00 (i havent messed with it) 10:00:00 which is the vol thing 10:00:11 oh 4096 10:00:11 its one of the ffmepg flags 10:00:13 what should i change that to 10:00:16 dunno 10:00:19 "havent mesed" 10:00:32 im fine with awful clippy audio it's like home to me 10:00:56 please open up http://www.justin.tv/ehird 10:01:22 opend 10:01:24 [rtmp @ 0x138d660] Server error: Authentication Failed. 10:01:24 help 10:01:28 uhh 10:01:34 did you put your stream key in the stream key thing 10:01:43 yes 10:01:57 i don't know whats wronge :( 10:02:16 btw i won't be looking at the 10:02:17 chat thing 10:02:21 ~irc~ 10:02:25 i wont be using it 10:03:19 http://community.justin.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=7479 10:03:23 [[ 10:03:24 Long & short of it is simple - FFMpeg is NOT intended for streaming stuff on the Internet. Never was. It's only intended for playing stuff back locally. 10:03:24 Try not using FFMpeg. You'll be amazed at what will happen..... 10:03:24 Cheers 10:03:25 ]] 10:03:27 thanks a lot buddy 10:04:08 oh 10:04:12 you have to cut off the flashver apparently?? 10:04:21 that works 10:04:24 monqy: am i broadcasting 10:04:32 your thing is flashing 10:04:39 but not quite baordcasting yet 10:04:44 [libx264 @ 0x1690400] broken ffmpeg default settings detected 10:04:44 [libx264 @ 0x1690400] use an encoding preset (e.g. -vpre medium) 10:04:45 [libx264 @ 0x1690400] preset usage: -vpre -vpre 10:04:45 [libx264 @ 0x1690400] speed presets are listed in x264 --help 10:04:45 [libx264 @ 0x1690400] profile is optional; x264 defaults to high 10:04:47 it's like it tried broadcasting but didnt quite make it 10:04:55 aha 10:04:57 now it's working 10:04:59 fast is a preset for me 10:04:59 yes 10:05:00 and ipod320 isn't 10:05:03 oh 10:05:03 can you see me 10:05:07 it's black 10:05:14 are you sure 10:05:15 "a start" 10:05:18 i'll refresh 10:05:29 i refreshed and it's still black 10:05:34 let me test 10:05:36 oh 10:05:39 there it goes? 10:05:44 great 10:05:52 does it work now? 10:05:55 oh wait no 10:05:58 wtf 10:05:59 it went offline and showed a pic 10:06:04 its offline now 10:06:15 what pic? my computer or just 10:06:16 "oops" 10:06:16 "any pice" 10:06:22 your computr 10:06:22 maybe the bitrate is too high 10:06:24 ok 10:06:34 i'll lower the audio bitrate 10:06:48 live again 10:06:49 -!- cheater_ has joined. 10:06:51 black 10:06:59 "drop=18" 10:07:02 perhaps that has something to do with it 10:07:09 "drop=19" 10:07:28 is it dropping all of your frams 10:07:28 let me try a lower fps 10:07:38 ok try now 10:07:38 its 10:07:39 8 fps 10:07:41 anything can manage 8 fps 10:07:52 drop=9 lol 10:07:55 it's still blakce 10:08:15 whatever game you were playing before, i'm pretty sure ffmpeg is a worse game 10:09:00 lemme try and watch my own 10:09:15 ad 10:09:16 gr8 10:09:28 i didn't realize crawl had audio 10:09:34 it doesn't 10:09:37 whoa. 10:09:41 it does if you make it 10:10:01 you guys always take things to the next level 10:10:01 -!- elliott_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:10:10 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:10:52 -!- elliott_ has joined. 10:11:00 hmph 10:11:34 :( 10:12:04 can VLC do audio 10:12:10 no clue 10:13:02 it can play audio files. i dunno anything about streaming thouhg 10:13:27 monqy: maybe it's working now?? 10:13:39 its; black 10:13:48 well 10:13:52 the bitrate is like 273 kb/s 10:13:56 and my upload is like 10:13:58 less than that 10:14:39 monqy: now??? 10:14:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:16:09 what about now i set the resolution to something ridiculously low 10:16:21 oh it looks on 10:16:31 yeah it's 10:16:34 going alright 10:16:35 it should be a hideously distorted view of my screen 10:16:38 screenshot 10:16:42 i can 10:16:44 adjust the resolution and stuff 10:17:06 Oh fucking great, I have aura over half my field of vision. 10:17:06 Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 10:17:07 (that was a request for a screenshot) 10:17:28 ...and my keyboard has forgotten that it's a UK one. 10:17:29 im screnshot 10:17:36 i too am screnshot 10:18:09 that's a quality bitrate 10:18:11 aura as in that stuff i see sometimes when i get low blood sugar 10:18:18 or aura as in a video game effect :P 10:18:20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/notsobad.png 10:18:35 obviously the answer isnt important to me 10:18:36 haha nice it just 10:18:39 chopped off part of my screen 10:18:40 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:18:53 lemme try and start the game 10:18:55 see how terrible it looks 10:19:29 how does it look & what's the fps like 10:19:56 fps is good enough and i can see it "good enough" 10:20:04 what about the AUDIOE 10:20:11 it works 10:20:19 is it clip 10:20:46 no it's on the quiet side and only in my right ear phone 10:20:48 ill tweak the settings slightly just to make them less completely terrible 10:22:51 monqy: restarted 10:23:05 ites black 10:23:09 give it a minute to starte 10:23:15 ok 10:23:19 i can lower the bitrate if it doesn't 10:23:42 oh it 10:23:43 stopped 10:23:47 monqy: try now 10:23:55 blak 10:24:04 another ten seconds 10:24:15 blaak 10:24:19 ok fine 10:25:02 it's going 10:25:10 woot 10:25:16 screenshot? 10:25:37 also can you toggle fullscreen ingame 10:25:53 because if so i'll probably do that because of 10:26:01 ~the quality issues~ 10:26:05 *the ~quality 10:26:26 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/takeii.png 10:26:28 @time monqy 10:26:29 Local time for monqy is Fri May 4 03:26:28 2012 10:26:31 s/ $// 10:26:40 wow it's worse somehow 10:26:40 you can togole with escap menu i think 10:26:47 lemme try that 10:27:20 how did that go 10:27:47 it was just like nonfullscreeen except in the upper lefthand corner 10:27:57 no biggening 10:28:00 or anything like that 10:28:09 oh 10:28:13 weird 10:28:17 i'll just leave it unfullscreened then 10:28:17 are you able to like 10:28:18 read the text 10:28:24 some of it 10:28:27 good enough 10:28:34 ok, brb one second and then let's get started 10:28:37 ok 10:28:47 monqy: you're in charge of linking Phantom_Hoover to the stream 10:28:54 oh 10:29:03 Phantom_Hoover: http://www.justin.tv/ehird 10:29:30 all i see is 10:29:30 lag 10:29:39 lots 10:29:40 theres lots of that 10:29:40 of lg 10:29:43 I AM ON TELEVISION 10:29:43 lag howso 10:29:44 too 10:29:51 ok who's 10:29:51 ready 10:29:52 way 10:29:52 wait 10:29:55 lemme up the font size on this irc 10:29:57 Well I *still* haven't said anything beyond 'oh' in the stream. 10:29:59 Oh wait 10:30:03 Just now I did. 10:30:11 now you can all see stuff 10:30:15 hopefully 10:30:19 not yet 10:30:19 ok is everybody sitting comfortably 10:30:25 it hasn't laagged to this side yet 10:30:29 ok there it goes 10:30:29 what 10:30:31 how laggy is it exactly 10:30:39 pretty laggy 10:30:41 but it's ok 10:30:46 Hello mum! 10:31:04 here we go!!! 10:31:14 monqy: you'll have to remind me of the keys as i go 10:31:39 the keys are pretty simple 10:31:43 What’s that game? 10:31:47 is thi9s crawl 10:31:47 smart kobold 10:31:51 smart kobold 10:31:56 whats music 10:32:01 smart kobold 10:32:29 cant read 10:32:30 words 10:32:33 whAT 10:32:43 monqy: can i eat corpses 10:32:52 i don't think so 10:33:33 i have no clue what the fuck is going on 10:33:40 where's my hp 10:33:47 also you should search a lot but searching is pretty tolerable since it shows you where yous earch and searching is guaranteed to find traps and then the treaps are remove after searching 10:33:51 the blue stuff is your hp 10:33:59 oh 10:34:01 that's 10:34:03 the stupidest hp display i've ever seen 10:34:28 wait 10:34:37 the blue tinkly stuff is hp 10:34:43 yes 10:34:54 help 10:34:58 when you lose hp it turns brown and falls 10:35:03 help 10:35:12 ellitt if you press s multiple times your search radius grows 10:35:15 There’s about 45 seconds of lag. 10:35:19 wtf is this game 10:35:24 smart kobold 10:35:28 monqy: are you responding to all my old searches 10:35:32 this lag is 10:35:33 yes 10:35:35 not tenable 10:35:38 dude smart kobolds make 10:35:38 come on 10:35:39 no sense 10:35:42 i have to tweak the settings 10:35:57 oh shit the bitrate went up!! 10:35:58 look im just going to 10:36:00 lower the fps 10:36:21 will 2fps make it unlaged 10:36:24 i tried 5 10:36:32 actually i'll try 3 10:36:46 How crappy is your upstream bandwidth? 10:36:49 ion: really crappy 10:36:55 like 60 Kio/s max crappy 10:36:58 ok how is it now 10:37:14 god it really doesn't feel like the future over here 10:37:19 monqy: 10:37:21 You’re using H.264, right? 10:37:24 yes but 10:37:27 approx. as crappy? 10:37:31 monqy: seriously? 10:37:31 ugh 10:37:54 well 10:37:59 crappier now that the fps is lower 10:38:05 but no less laggy? 10:38:15 ugh 10:38:16 monqy 10:38:18 look up presets for me 10:38:21 find one crappier than "fast" 10:39:08 they should be in your PREFIX/share/ffmpeg directory 10:39:22 help 10:39:25 which one's crappier 10:39:30 i dont know 10:39:43 you could find your copy of fast and make a copy of it with crappier everywher 10:40:09 let's see if ultrafast is better or worse 10:40:21 how's it 10:40:29 not up yet 10:40:58 monqy: still not up? 10:41:00 What the eff are you doing??? 10:41:05 hi 10:41:07 hi 10:41:15 its "off line": 10:42:05 ok im 10:42:06 trying another thing 10:42:20 oh that made it worse 10:42:20 oh there it goes 10:42:23 "upe" 10:42:25 how laggy now 10:42:29 uhhh 10:42:29 i think probably more 10:42:33 but i can probably fix that 10:42:51 about a while laggy 10:42:54 gr8 10:43:38 this is kind of hopeless 10:43:53 last resort 10:43:55 ive lowered my resolution 10:45:00 ok there is 10:45:05 literally no way the quality can get shittier 10:45:09 if this is laggy 10:45:10 tough 10:45:14 yes there is 10:45:16 its black 10:45:25 it 10:45:26 stopped 10:45:29 rip 10:45:30 let me try that again 10:45:48 oh there it goes 10:46:27 how's it doing 10:46:59 lagged about 30s 10:47:07 rip 10:47:11 i cancelled it 10:47:14 oh fuck it 10:47:19 im putting it back on and playing it deal with it 10:47:27 ok im fine w lag 10:47:49 is it working 10:47:59 are Phantom_Hoover and ion watching 10:48:04 blacke 10:48:04 mo 10:48:06 no 10:48:09 Phantom_Hoover: watch 10:48:15 monqy: still? 10:48:18 Kind of, but i’m about to fall assleap. 10:48:21 it dead 10:48:30 now? try refreshing 10:48:46 ok it goe 10:49:35 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]). 10:50:12 do i really forget parts of the level as i go 10:50:17 no 10:50:19 weird 10:50:20 are you sure 10:50:24 sort of 10:50:31 you "forget" them in a sense but 10:50:38 that sense is that other parts of the level go over them 10:50:42 it's a jefflaitism 10:51:13 so you'll end up forgetting things when you overwrite them 10:51:24 with knowledge of your current z-positioning 10:51:27 er 10:51:27 from 10:51:28 w/e 10:51:29 Remembering the level is available as DLC for just $19.99 10:51:44 oh looks like you died 10:51:54 this game is difficult 10:52:27 are all jeff lait games this difficult 10:52:34 i don't think so 10:52:46 i'm blanking on most of them 10:52:58 sword in hand is pretty difficult but not smart kobold difficult 10:53:05 I've never really tried powder or jacob's matrix 10:53:06 uhhhhhh 10:53:10 blanking on the rest 10:54:34 they're not going to let me chokepoint them are they 10:54:43 they're smart kobold 10:54:44 s 10:54:46 :( 10:55:27 this game is impossible 10:55:28 has anyone won 10:55:34 i don't know 10:55:51 as you may have figured out, smart kobold is less of a game than an experience 10:56:03 or a work of art 10:57:00 i wasn't even killed by smart kobold that time 10:57:04 i was killed by Smart Kobold 10:57:16 that's because you walked through all those traps 10:57:32 but it's so boring to search all the time!!!! 10:57:39 just hit keys faster 10:57:50 also one thing you can do is use m to explore the levl 10:58:04 yeah what does that 10:58:04 do 10:58:04 its nice to see it before you alert all the kobolds 10:58:07 m 10:58:10 i did 10:58:11 and also what they do when you alert them 10:58:13 oh 10:58:23 m and then hjklyubn to look around 10:58:33 do i get to keep the memory 10:58:57 depends on if you went over yourself 10:59:10 i dunno if you get to keep it at all actually 10:59:18 that jefflaitism is 10:59:21 really annoying and confusing 10:59:42 I’ll continue to stream the video through the brain implant while sleeping. Goode nyghte. 10:59:52 i wish i had one of those 10:59:58 ion: rip 11:01:05 Thanks, will do. 11:01:09 monqy: i correct that to "really really annoying and confusing" 11:02:11 I forget if terrified baby kobolds become normal kobolds when they drop their pacifiers or not 11:02:56 im lost 11:03:38 monqy: oh, i see what you mean by z-level 11:03:42 the level actually overlaps 11:03:48 yeah 11:03:55 oops 11:04:09 this game is impossible 11:04:15 quite possibly 11:04:21 I've sure never won iut 11:04:22 it 11:04:24 will i derive any more enjoyment out of 11:04:26 continuing 11:04:30 no clue 11:04:47 strike that "more" actually 11:04:57 no clue 11:05:08 "no clue" - monqy, 2012 11:06:07 i think i give up 11:06:26 ok 11:06:31 creibriadoses 11:06:39 :'[ 11:06:53 your mouth went angular all of a sudden 11:06:59 :'< 11:07:04 help 11:07:09 :'- 11:07:13 ,,, 11:07:21 :' 11:07:25 : 11:08:42 -!- elliott_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:10:45 -!- elliott has joined. 11:11:34 hi 11:14:11 helo 11:15:17 monqy: wow that audio quality was good wasn't it 11:15:31 i 11:15:33 i cant remembr 11:25:04 anyway 11:25:08 smart kobold is an evil game 11:33:38 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:36:20 @tell monqy Yes, Smart Kobold is winnable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfS6OwitNoM 11:36:20 Consider it noted. 11:45:24 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:05:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:07:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:34:11 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 13:34:19 -!- Patashu has joined. 13:34:19 -!- Patashu has quit (Client Quit). 13:38:05 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:22:52 -!- asiekierka has joined. 15:01:50 -!- esolang_1234 has joined. 15:02:01 `welcome esolang_1234 15:02:05 esolang_1234: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 15:02:36 I know :). I've read the wiki for a while now, but this is the first time on the chat. 15:04:16 -!- esolang_1234 has left. 15:11:13 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 15:40:38 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:15:41 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 16:31:24 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:38:29 -!- jfischoff has joined. 17:08:28 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: brb). 17:08:53 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:06:19 -!- calamari has joined. 18:12:59 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:13:17 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 18:21:24 -!- Ngevd has joined. 18:21:48 Hello 18:24:28 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:26:27 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 18:26:43 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:28:50 -!- olsner has joined. 18:31:18 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Quit: brb). 18:31:33 -!- MoALTz has joined. 19:03:04 It's queit... 19:07:11 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:08:18 *quiet 19:08:30 Hello zzo38, fungot 19:08:32 Ngevd: has anyone else read srfi-74 yet?) extra-www compliant. you can't rush these kind of limitations would be in the form of regions away from the swarm all the effects 19:08:38 Hello 19:08:44 It's quiet 19:09:46 I wonder how commonly the Show, Bounded, and Enum classes are used in Haskell for the purpose I am using them for in this WizardCard parser program with the BuiltinKeyword datatype. 19:10:01 How are you using them 19:10:40 data BuiltinKeyword = KW_convert | KW_enum | KW_fail | KW_if | KW_macro | KW_section | KW_success deriving (Eq, Bounded, Enum, Show); builtins :: Map String Word32; builtins = M.fromList $ zip (drop 3 . show <$> [minBound..maxBound :: BuiltinKeyword]) [0..]; 19:12:42 Does <$> have a lower precedence than .? 19:12:48 Actually I could probably use fromDistinctAscList since the data is already sorted 19:13:24 zzo38, how busy are you at the moment? 19:13:55 Ngevd: Not much. If you have something to tell to me then please do, regardless of how busy I am; if I cannot do so at the moment I say so. 19:14:23 I was wondering if you could teach me category theory, or at leat introduce me to it 19:14:32 Ngevd: The precedence is correct in that code. It does work. 19:14:35 Or tell me what I need to know first? 19:15:57 Ngevd: There are articles in Wikipedia. But in general: A category consists of a collection of objects, and a collection of morphisms, each morphism having an input and output object, such that there is an identity morphism of each object, and a composition operation which if you have a morphism (f : a -> b) and (g : b -> c) then you can compose them (g . f : a -> c). 19:16:19 Composition is associative and has the identity morphisms of the objects as identity leaving the other side unchanged. 19:16:41 So it is sort of like a monoid except that you need to indicate the object on each side. 19:17:00 Is this good to you so far? 19:17:15 Let it sink in 19:17:47 Can there be multiple morphisms with the same input/output objects? 19:17:52 Ngevd: Yes. 19:17:56 Okay 19:18:39 Okay, I think I know what's going on 19:20:03 A few examples: * The category of sets. Objects are sets, and morphisms are functions having elements of those sets as the inputs and outputs. * Any monoid can be made a category with a single object. * Any category has a dual where the input/output are reversed and composition is reversed. * Any directed graph makes a category, where objects are the nodes and morphisms are the ways to walk from one node to another. 19:23:12 Okay 19:23:21 And then there are functors, monads, and so on 19:24:53 A functor is a way converting objects and morphisms from one category to another. I will use (T x) to represent the object in the new category corresponding to (x) in the old category, and (fmap f) to represent the morphism in the new category corresponding to the morphism (f) in the old category. 19:25:16 A functor must satisfy the laws: fmap id = id and fmap f . fmap g = fmap (f . g) (same as in Haskell). 19:26:47 So that a morphism from (x) to (y) in first category becomes morphism from (T x) to (T y) in second category. It may be the same category in both cases in which case it is called endofunctor. (The Functor class in Haskell is for endofunctors on the (->) category.) 19:27:39 What do you mean by the (->) category? 19:28:10 By the (->) category I mean the main category of Haskell; the category with types as objects and functions as morphisms. (In Haskell, categories can be identified using the type for their morphisms.) 19:28:19 Okay 19:31:22 A monad on some category is an endofunctor on that category with two additional operations eta (or return) and mu (or join), with eta :: (x -> T x) for any object x and mu :: (T (T x) -> T x) for any object x; these must also satisfy certain laws. For example the identity monad; the endofunctor converts all objects and morphisms to themself, and eta and mu are both identity morphisms (this works with any category). 19:32:49 There are also, morphisms which can be inverse of another; if f is inverse of g then f . g = g . f = id (possibly two different identity morphisms if they are different objects). And then, final objects, which means for each object x, there is exactly one morphism from x to the final object. 19:33:25 You can actually do a lot of things with category theory; you may be able to figure out some of these things by yourself, too. 19:34:40 Okay 19:35:57 In addition, the eta/mu operations of a monad are what are called "natural transformations"; Wikipedia has diagrams to explain what a natural transformation is. 19:38:03 I think there may be some other people on here who know a few things about category theory, too. 19:48:06 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:52:30 oh 19:52:31 dear 19:52:31 is 19:52:33 zzo38, 19:52:35 explaining 19:52:37 monads 19:52:38 to 19:52:41 taneb 19:53:00 oh 19:53:01 dear 19:53:01 is 19:53:03 Phantom_Hoover: 19:53:06 posting 19:53:07 one 19:53:08 word 19:53:10 per 19:53:13 line 19:53:23 Not any more. 19:56:49 Would T (T x) be an an object in a category of categories? 19:57:13 Ngevd: No, T (T x) is an object in the same category as the base category, because T is an endofunctor. 20:00:02 Oh Jesus Christ you *asked* him to do this? 20:00:10 Ngevd, 20:00:14 what exactly 20:00:17 went through your head 20:00:36 Phantom_Hoover, morbid curiosity 20:01:09 And an endofunctor is a transformation from a category to the same category, right/ 20:01:35 Ngevd: Yes 20:02:08 But each object may not end up as the same object? 20:02:19 Ngevd, i mean 20:02:26 i get why you'd want to learn cat theory 20:02:28 but 20:02:31 asking zzo?? 20:02:31 Ngevd: Yes, it might not. 20:03:44 So, mu takes a category that has been transformed twice by the same endofunctor back one transformation? 20:04:46 Ngevd: Perhaps I am not explaining it so well. Ask someone understanding better, or look in Wikipedia. Also notice that these monad laws are the same as Haskell, in case you can understand better that way. 20:05:10 I'm perhaps not listening very well either? 20:05:32 Ngevd: Yes, that too. 20:05:54 Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. 20:05:57 Phantom_Hoover, who would you have asked? 20:06:39 Ngevd, probably oerjan, if he's in; otherwise, either Google it, go into #haskell for resources or ask any number of people who aren't zzo. 20:06:54 Il 20:07:09 *I'm about to run out of battery, so I'll go now 20:07:51 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: BATTERY LEVEL). 20:15:04 -!- ais523 has changed nick to about. 20:17:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:22:22 -!- about has changed nick to ais523. 20:43:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 20:44:29 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:44:40 Hello 20:44:46 Do you know what time it is? 20:44:52 IT'S DWARF FORTRESS TIME 20:47:10 I think it crashed 20:47:22 -!- derdon has joined. 20:49:47 Taneb, where stream# 20:52:47 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:53:00 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:53:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]). 20:55:38 @ping 20:55:38 pong 20:55:43 :) 20:55:49 dwarf fortress time for realz? 20:56:15 4 reelz 20:59:32 -!- elliott has joined. 21:07:18 hi 21:07:18 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 21:07:29 elliott: dwarf fortress time 21:08:22 ill watch later 21:12:02 o 21:26:58 Yay happiness and marriage and love 21:27:23 I'm gonna let them have this party 21:29:05 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:30:50 -!- elliott has joined. 21:33:31 ais523: it's 4 time 21:33:44 what sort of 4? 21:33:48 begat 21:34:06 hmm, uxterm is broken. why is uxterm broken? 21:34:21 so that you could ask 21:34:24 oh, there it goes 21:34:33 * elliott wonders who Kray is 21:34:48 elliott: someone whe haven't seen here before, I expect 21:34:50 hi Kray 21:34:52 `? welcome Kray 21:34:55 `WELCOME KRAY 21:34:55 welcome Kray? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:34:59 KRAY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! 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There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. 21:37:17 `@ Kray ? Ngevd 21:37:19 Kray: Qiqj.uTp!1:42rz>G.isYy&.b.`..epgJ.*0"AA.$IlT.a@.jJoF.ۋL..cf.Քm!Yu!@9%4`p$׉6Kʋ.q)..R=tTm8N;.|\..,SORa!.v.3'.x.Ou>.Zl.'%JO6KE`ϔ..3(9}.j.3(+__֦.G]..%j]Db&.;Yb].!.|Ny2=VvcůakI.C].$h.>U.GHU?O\)[v+b?.G;#Lx C.`7cCѢ$ \ }'6E.ea|. 21:37:25 elliott: it's possible they're here for talking about esolangs 21:37:27 rather than messing with bots 21:37:37 ais523: Well, then they're in the wrong place! 21:37:44 no they aren't 21:37:51 lol 21:37:51 Pffffft 21:37:58 You must be new. 21:46:32 -!- MoALTz has joined. 21:48:40 Well, goodnight 21:48:48 bye :) 21:49:24 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: SLEEP). 21:57:41 @dave4420 when u copy and paste from notepad++ it turns commas to semi. – Mike 9 hours ago 21:57:41 Unknown command, try @list 21:58:16 semicommas! 21:59:32 By the way, my question appeared after reading this tutorial haskell.org/haskellwiki/IO_inside and this paper webcache.googleusercontent.com/…) – user1374768 8 hours ago 21:59:32 21:59:32 21:59:33 An IO type defined as RealWorld->(a,RealWorld) is used here, so an action sequence is realized using the fake parameter RealWorld. But IMHO this model is impossible in pure language without outer compiler hacks. So I wonder why this implementation is used, hope that pdf has more clearly explanation. – user1374768 8 hours ago 21:59:43 OK, http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/IO_inside should be deleted 22:00:09 it's a whole page devoted to the State RealWorld "model" 22:00:42 why don't you like that ""model""? 22:01:02 ais523: because it's false, misleading, and not a model 22:01:10 and many people believe it anyway 22:01:14 ah, OK 22:01:19 (backed up by the fact that GHC *looks* like it uses it) 22:01:25 there's actually a RealWorld type in GHC, isn't there? 22:01:30 now I'm sort-of wondering what it represents 22:01:35 it's State# RealWorld but it doesn't actually exist 22:01:36 basically 22:01:37 it uses 22:01:48 State# RealWorld -> (# a, State# RealWorld #) 22:01:52 where (##) is an unboxed tuple 22:01:58 but the thing is that that function arrow (->) is an *impure* function arrow 22:02:10 and State# RealWorld is a 0-bit type, only used to keep the optimiser from reordering IO actions 22:02:10 -># 22:02:18 (because there's a data dependency on every previous result) 22:02:29 ais523: right :) 22:03:00 I think I accept your explanation; it's sort-of State RealWorld except that it's not a Haskell State monad, but a State monad from some other language 22:03:10 yes, but that's not even what the model is 22:03:12 the model is that 22:03:21 putStrLn :: String -> World -> ((), World) 22:03:33 putStrLn s world = ((), modify_the_world_to_have_just_printed_s_on_your_screen world) 22:03:42 which is beyond absurd 22:03:54 it'd work for noninteractive IO 22:03:59 but noninteractive IO is kind-of silly 22:04:00 and, even if you accept that this works (it... doesn't), you can't do concurrency properly with it 22:04:07 ais523: no, you extract the input from the world 22:04:23 elliott: agreed, but I mean all-input-at-start-all-output-at-end IO 22:04:29 Why is the latest Freeman's Mind not available in HD yet >_< 22:04:34 it "does" interactive IO too 22:04:38 by "does" I mean doesn't do 22:04:39 I'm going nutty waiting for YouTube to fix the quality. 22:04:42 anyway, it's not actually a model 22:04:48 because it does not give any denotational semantics whatsoever or anything 22:04:53 it's just mysticism :P 22:06:12 ais523: oh yeah, the biggest problem with the model 22:06:16 is that it doesn't stop you duplicating World values 22:06:19 or using past World values 22:06:27 you need to enforce the linearity of Worlds (which is done in languages like Mercury) 22:06:32 Haskell does not have linear types 22:06:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:06:37 elliott: that's what the monad is for, isn't it? 22:06:58 hmm, this is the point where I realise I thought you understood but you didn't 22:07:01 btw, nonlinearity is a monad too, there was a seminar on that on Tuesday 22:07:05 elliott: I wasn't being serious 22:07:08 obviously if you treat IO as an abstract black box it works 22:07:12 sorry about that, I was trying to be a bit facetious 22:07:13 the whole point is that we're trying to /explain/ IO 22:07:17 yes 22:07:21 which means we have to give it a model, which we aren't allowed to hide things about or restrict 22:07:22 ais523: ok :p 22:07:39 sorry, Poe's Law is bad enough without me trying to make it worse 22:10:08 coppro: democrat! 22:14:46 ais523: btw, I upgraded Esolang; you probably saw 22:15:42 nah, I rarely read it in a web browser 22:15:44 * ais523 look 22:15:45 *looks 22:15:55 ais523: I posted on the community portal about it 22:15:56 -!- Patashu has joined. 22:17:48 -!- ais523 has quit. 22:28:02 "Hatfield is a city in Pipestone County, Minnesota, United States. The population was 54 at the 2010 census.[1]" 22:31:15 yay you're back to arguing about how to explain Haskell IO 22:31:16 i missed this 22:31:27 kmc: There wasn't an argument! 22:31:39 I quoted someone mislead by it because of a terrible page on the HaskellWiki and expressed sadness that the page exists. 22:31:52 Then ais523 asked me what was wrong with State RealWorld because he didn't know. 22:33:22 you should fix the haskellwiki 22:34:05 kmc: I can't delete pages on it. :( 22:34:08 haha 22:34:15 you could replace it with the empty string 22:34:21 I think it'd get reverted. 22:34:21 or a link to a better explanation 22:34:51 People tend to be overprotective about not deleting content on wikis, even if it's fundamentally wrong, and proven to mislead. 22:35:34 ok 22:35:38 so this will just remain shitty, forever 22:35:42 Yep! 22:35:45 Like http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Monad. 22:36:20 the haskell community is too nice to ever figure out how to teach the language properly 22:36:57 * elliott would revert that page to its pre-"improvement" state (http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Monad&oldid=33391) but expects that would get reverted too. 22:39:15 I do think they should delete things if they are entirely wrong, but I also think that pure wiki deletion should be used. 22:39:50 (Meaning the text that used to be on the page becomes not hidden) 22:44:32 -!- absentswett has changed nick to tswett. 22:45:55 elliott: ? 22:46:02 coppro: voting for Murphy :P 22:46:14 You and your quaint separation of powers. 22:47:35 ah 22:47:41 elliott: it's a rule, isn't it? 22:47:50 I don't think so? 22:48:20 it was at one point 22:48:33 We don't need rules like that. 22:48:35 Just efficiency. 22:48:48 * elliott thinks democracy has failed Agora. 22:48:56 aha 22:48:57 Bring on the Promotor-Assessors and voting golems. 22:50:28 Maybe I should add in the (>>=||) (>>=|||) (>>=|\/) (>>=\/) for if the function on right takes many parameters and the monad on left is the inside being a tuple with that many parts (I have to use "made up" roman numerals since you cannot use digits here) 22:50:49 elliott: I suggest that the Bakor keep the Roll of golems 22:51:46 I am back. 22:51:51 I will assume that nothing important happened while I was away. 22:53:51 probably Haskell needs some knowledgable person to not only provide a coherent explanation of everything, but directly attack the shitty explanations 22:54:23 kmc: The problem is that you would need different explanations for different purposes too 22:54:46 -!- nortti_ has joined. 22:56:26 it just feels so good to be here using a real client (even though that client is a piece of shit) 22:57:30 will try to get this SASL bullshit working on irssi 22:57:39 nortti_: Then use a different client if that one is no good 22:57:42 There are many 22:58:24 zzo38: this is the only one that supoorts sasl and doesn't want to spy on me on android 23:00:44 If you know how, you could modify any existing one with open-source to support SASL, I would guess 23:01:18 zzo38: I don't have android dev tools 23:01:55 and I don't think it would run on my computer 23:03:20 (This phone has better performace than my computer) 23:06:13 -!- jfischoff_ has joined. 23:08:00 And this client is at least better that webchat.freenode 23:08:07 +.net 23:08:59 -!- jfischoff has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:09:00 -!- jfischoff_ has changed nick to jfischoff. 23:11:05 -!- nortti_ has changed nick to nortti. 23:27:52 -!- jfischoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:28:17 -!- jfischoff has joined. 23:34:51 -!- augur has joined. 23:47:46 this question is 23:47:46 amazing 23:48:11 what question 23:48:17 let me save a copy 23:48:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:49:14 I am writing a lisp interpreter on lambdastack 23:49:21 -!- augur has joined. 23:52:10 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:54:34 http://ompldr.org/vZG1rbg/stackoverflow.com-q-10029651.html 23:56:36 -!- augur has joined. 23:57:11 Heh, Raymond Chen commented on it. 23:57:21 (Click the "comments" links on the sides.) 23:59:11 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:59:41 I'm surprised there is a cloud suggestion but no GPU suggestion.