< 1336176044 739155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be silly. GPUs just don't have the kind of elastic scaling you need to enumerate every GUID. < 1336176122 510011 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@gwfw1-nat.booyahcorp.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :facepalm, how could I forget about elastic scaling? < 1336176173 704033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have one of the 50 fastest computers in the world, then you can make the subatomic strings themselves elastic. < 1336176180 442145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added a new version of "prelude-generalize" Haskell package with (>>=||), (>>=|||), (>>=|\/), (>>=\/), azero, aplus, unnull. < 1336176184 93105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could have it done by next Tuesday. < 1336176218 79310 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89196.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336176256 137614 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@gwfw1-nat.booyahcorp.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if that is the way google does it < 1336176274 423275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblig. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yH_j8-VVLo < 1336176283 549949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no Checkout compiler as far as I know. < 1336176476 241352 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@gwfw1-nat.booyahcorp.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: nice. Just learned that I'm a munctional programmer. < 1336176797 198289 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336176938 561978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336176958 445602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: < 1336176959 502719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You finish putting on the +2 pair of gloves of the Republic {rPois Str+3 < 1336176959 709624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dam+6}. < 1336176967 826607 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1336176968 360535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do these offset the loss of my unarmed combat bonus, being a ghoul? < 1336176975 899981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't need the rPois, obviously.) < 1336177086 789671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Better question: What exactly is the bonus? < 1336177095 150240 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dam bonus? < 1336177101 636336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, jeanjacques just told me :P < 1336177162 361121 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336177162 465973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time to choose myself a god. < 1336177172 993572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's Makhleb or Ashenzari again (comedy option: chei). < 1336177219 49102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: You were advocating sticking with Ashey, right? < 1336177314 72130 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1336177319 332536 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to go ash, bind yourself fully < 1336177323 53571 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't feel like it go makhleb < 1336177368 591047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with Makhleb. I feel like I'll like Ashenzari more when I'm older and wiser and less violent. :p < 1336177379 671586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you know, HP on killing! < 1336177485 960066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Did you say I could hear a buckler too? < 1336177504 988770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wear < 1336177506 585386 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :always wear a buckler unless you're using a ranged weapon or 1.5-2 handed weapon < 1336177515 427982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes, EV 4. < 1336177516 885759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*EV 5 < 1336177561 247218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll switch back and train armour. < 1336177680 220385 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://dpaste.com/hold/743008/ poly.hs is unmodifed the entire time < 1336177706 559439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hahaha, that "file" output is amazing < 1336177712 366937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done < 1336177718 208533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why .hs? < 1336177725 479779 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing ghc < 1336177738 558518 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its literate haskel < 1336177756 583268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to set the extension to .lhs to use literate Haskell < 1336177782 432333 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: poly.lhc: file not recognized: File format not recognized < 1336177795 797231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That is because you put .lhc by mistake < 1336177797 175413 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1336177798 745218 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336177801 646944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need .lhs < 1336177818 470526 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9656 eitan@radar ~/poly ]%./poly < 1336177818 528334 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Literate Haskell program. < 1336177855 743398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, literate haskell is cheating ;) < 1336177894 703384 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know < 1336177902 434733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: _Level annotation: magistern's ghost, experienced HOEE < 1336177902 964780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336177909 377 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1336178020 554501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, it gets worse < 1336178024 654666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are... < 1336178026 244819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTTERFLIES < 1336178039 39626 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1336178053 470309 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1336178066 22638 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fuck < 1336178071 907257 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had to climb through the most awful arena level anyway < 1336178073 696737 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ever < 1336178075 646085 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :after getting shafted < 1336178082 48573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Should I be really scared of that ghost? :( < 1336178087 892645 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was full of: orc priests. orc wizards. a hydra. a two-headed ogre. a kobold with a wand of fire. < 1336178088 422410 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1336178096 182371 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336178099 109391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336178102 467398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 hp that's not so bad < 1336178105 784703 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dunno, i wasn’t paying much attention. < 1336178108 153151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh xl 2 < 1336178108 864682 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tried using corrupt but it was shit < 1336178111 850039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it "experienced" then < 1336178135 531768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ahaaha look at my game < 1336178139 798436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these butterflies are confusing < 1336178143 349519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost's hiding amongst them < 1336178147 583757 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336178215 100794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336178226 411470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i can get to that upstairs < 1336178226 681998 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poops < 1336178228 786823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or read fear < 1336178263 193330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1336178267 92134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two orc priests? Nice. < 1336178268 296786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear worked on everyone but the things i care about < 1336178301 505206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those situations where i should have read teleportation a year ago < 1336178369 728382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help :( < 1336178375 655501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know, i'm dead < 1336178382 226859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to go to the leftstairs and then destroy the human priest of the International Church of Evil and then activate the blue clock and as soon as it reaches 42, you have to immediately teleport into hyperspace. < 1336178410 441904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't do it *exactly* then you will lose. < 1336178434 240038 :tzxn3_!~tzxn3@cpc2-nott16-2-0-cust552.12-2.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336178468 828789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if you do it exactly correctly, then you still have a 50% chance to lose anyways. < 1336178478 962726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a 25% chance to draw and 25% chance to win. < 1336178494 889208 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What would NihilistDandy do? < 1336178508 109099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: have more hp < 1336178518 481534 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he wouldn’t, but he’d still make it. :-P < 1336178520 201770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And never begin a sentence with "and". < 1336178525 808284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i still alive < 1336178536 143963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1336178538 887783 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that < 1336178539 861076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :their weapons just < 1336178544 508240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned to rubber for the past 10 turns < 1336178637 693848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336178639 827881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are deep elf soldiers scary < 1336178647 632504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:44 deep elf soldier (e) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 3 | HP: 9-18 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 6 | Fl: spellcaster | Res: magic(24) | Chunks: contam | XP: 33 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), invisibility. < 1336178648 163022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336178661 787367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do they have a weapon? If so, then you should escape. < 1336178687 68959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OK < 1336178764 588805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/jfmoY.jpg < 1336178798 739606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like spaghetti < 1336178905 450342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with this vault? < 1336178949 1254 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336179009 349437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know java is interpreted and not optimised < 1336179056 245860 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no are you getting into a dumb argument in ##crawl < 1336179130 982686 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even want to know how this happned < 1336179151 785400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1336179155 892358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im exiting the dumb argument in ##crawl < 1336179162 22883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me ---> the argument's exit < 1336179169 965340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kyrris dumb or something < 1336179177 906888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just asking because 01:51 this is your first time talking to kyrris isn't it < 1336179255 98128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all of the deep elf soldiers have the same spells and equipment then it makes it easy they should mix it up a bit to confuse you too < 1336179293 531662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yake < 1336179293 549963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1336179299 242311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan bye oerjan < 1336179356 220326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1336179370 785339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how did your conflagration go < 1336179407 598795 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what conflagration now < 1336179412 906763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1336179414 857686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours < 1336179415 598572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1336179434 242928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1336179450 671762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :square < 1336179451 41904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose < 1336179457 670106 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336179465 879921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part < 1336179469 433446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1336179470 675076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1336179524 445216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1336179526 215263 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336179552 19471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336179702 789617 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336179703 997094 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1336179710 881196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1336179713 371732 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336179717 97283 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not elliott < 1336179729 228557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1336179735 826710 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should start being elliott < 1336179769 412081 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not possible < 1336179782 548049 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02 Error(437): elliott Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable < 1336179902 683870 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1336179903 940449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1336179910 581178 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i < 1336179912 857553 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed to identify myself < 1336179922 115326 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1336179929 822517 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im all alone in my sadness < 1336179986 700483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest26299: Release < 1336179988 172726 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest26299: /nickserv release < 1336179993 385689 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i know < 1336179995 174412 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1336179995 763729 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336179996 999247 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it cure < 1336179998 939245 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sadness < 1336180008 893234 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think i can do it Gregor can you release it for me < 1336180038 895642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Amazon incorrectly gave me the wrong MP3. What I have labeled "Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 77 - The Snow Maiden (Snegurochka): Aria.mp3" is in fact some awesome upbeat jazz with vibraphone solos. < 1336180040 39804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest26299: Sure, just tell me your password. < 1336180042 764464 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :release me < 1336180052 365473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is it you want us to do?" "die..." < 1336180065 73762 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: its a little known fact that chykovskee actually loved jazz < 1336180066 401552 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unz unz unz unz unz unz unz unz < 1336180076 119141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Arrrgh I remember that line but can't place it ... Star Trek or Stargate ... < 1336180077 389112 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chykofskee < 1336180087 8341 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Independence Day, as sampled by Infected Mushroom < 1336180109 539354 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im upset that Gregor isnt taking issue with my spelling of chykofskee < 1336180205 649396 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell do I care about transliterations of Cyrillic names? < 1336180225 64887 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was < 1336180230 137411 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to misspell it terribly and phonetically < 1336180238 179264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, it's even TAGGED as Tchaikovsky, I can't figure out who it is :'( < 1336180238 866945 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that even the pronunciation is too exotic and complicated to admit that :( < 1336180252 194283 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: feed it into musicbrainz picard < 1336180258 224514 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the audio id stuff < 1336180267 249378 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@gwfw1-nat.booyahcorp.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336180372 960105 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest26299: Wow, that's pulling in a lot of deps :( < 1336180385 805199 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There are other clients, I think. Dunno if any of them do the fingerprinting stuff. < 1336180397 620198 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various phone apps and the like that try and do the same thing. < 1336180403 122513 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :libqt4-opengl // So glad this program needs OpenGL ... uhh, maybe Debian's 'picard' package isn't what I want X-D < 1336180408 841988 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think Picard will have a good chance of getting it, it's just a matter of how complete their database is. < 1336180415 488718 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It uses Qt. < 1336180419 452492 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably just pulling in all the Qt stuff. < 1336180421 121621 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have programs that use Qt. < 1336180425 508203 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Rosegarden. < 1336180431 814350 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be some indirect dependency, probably :P < 1336180463 243020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/Pyotr%20Ilyich%20Tchaikovsky%20-%2077%20-%20The%20Snow%20Maiden%20%28Snegurochka%29:%20Aria.mp3 <-- listen to Tchaikovsky's lovely aria for vibraphone. < 1336180539 647781 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also contact Amazon about it to ask. < 1336180574 543092 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help, i'm bobbing uncontrollably listening to this < 1336180630 524778 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wow i SERIOUSLY underestimated tchaikovsky < 1336180670 772086 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1336180740 861654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picard is giving me a bullshit response, it thinks it's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDkIR-OyYI < 1336180760 913267 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure you used the fingerprinting stuff? < 1336180774 386114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1336180775 245023 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can identify tracks by tags and length, or fingerprints or something and obviously only the latter are meaningful here. < 1336180781 288669 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the manual, it's vaguely helpful :P < 1336180782 622286 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to do that, this UI sucks. < 1336180785 996334 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1336180835 612191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I see, I had clicked 'scan' and it did nothing, so I tried something out. < 1336180839 985252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did nothing because it couldn't match it :( < 1336180847 76714 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336180853 435288 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the name of that other thing that does it... Shazam or something. < 1336181059 599856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they include formats other than MP3 or does it have only MP3 format? < 1336181063 844471 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336181079 776442 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could post it on /r/TOMT or something. < 1336181125 382068 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336181316 973288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is not Turing-complete since all programs will halt; it has no loops. It does have conditions, but they cannot be nested. However, write some quiz file. Perhaps, try to write a quiz file which will attempt to guess which of people on this channel you are, without asking the questions which are direct enough to answer it. (Assuming that everyone in this channel, and nobody else, can try to answer, and answer truthfully) < 1336181373 813374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The answers which users select are not logged anywhere; they are only passed in the selector string in order to perform calculations on them and send the result to the client. If you still don't like it, you can download and run the program locally.) < 1336181395 735511 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oops < 1336181409 702975 :Guest26299!~elliott@95.149.229.194 NICK :elliott < 1336181410 937000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, there currently is no local mode. Write one if you want; I may also do so later on) < 1336181411 780688 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.194 QUIT :Changing host < 1336181411 798742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336181493 739986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ok < 1336181500 810720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out jessica is powerless even at xl 3 and 19 hp < 1336181519 135673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jessica is usually a wimp < 1336181580 404456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i misread cheibriados as creibriados help < 1336181591 960589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's its real name!!! < 1336181615 66941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: WHAT A COINCIDENCE < 1336181644 699157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this coincidence only makes sense if you're watching my game) < 1336181652 467733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit p < 1336181674 695299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1336181677 907979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit Y < 1336181682 373094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336181683 400036 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Y again < 1336181693 823117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did 2/3 instructions < 1336181697 186723 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336181734 823499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does chei really boost all your stats by 15 levels or am i misunderstanding it < 1336181770 537313 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stats are str/int/dex < 1336181775 437756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336181784 266871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still a bit overly high isn't it < 1336181785 256056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want skill boosts go ashe < 1336181795 67771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashe boosts skill? < 1336181796 332218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*skills < 1336181798 825113 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336181800 299027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1336181800 923495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1336181801 378464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stats < 1336181804 895102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confuse < 1336181812 474653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went with makhleb last game because < 1336181821 843160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too young and violent for ashey < 1336181859 640248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xom's altars are great < 1336181876 163169 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could worship xom! ! < 1336181903 400308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true! it's theoretically possible for me to worship xom this gam < 1336181904 359169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1336181912 316039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does the ** starting piety apply to xom's interest level thing < 1336181917 221476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1336181930 610406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1336181931 379444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1336181946 33703 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know a spelle < 1336181957 21394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sif muna is totally stuck up < 1336181960 910198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to blow up that altar later remind me < 1336182043 747417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, sigmund < 1336182054 212540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You are wearing: f - a ring of see invisible (left claw) < 1336182056 205442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1336182094 91069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion is right < 1336182101 94110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should add "hits you from afar" to that list < 1336182178 410544 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336182236 886411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336182250 957306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't looking what happened < 1336182289 133890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :centaur occurred < 1336182309 816780 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have blinke? < 1336182320 411935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336182321 844959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i do!! < 1336182331 402518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1336182332 740007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1336182334 429998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cover to speak of < 1336182339 908866 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe blink over the ant? < 1336182344 159572 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1336182349 313399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like here < 1336182350 295296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1336182356 32436 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not protect you < 1336182359 32675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'd probably die dipping around the corner < 1336182360 697788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it moves < 1336182373 136329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could happen! < 1336182402 21753 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't fight < 1336182406 122755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i had heal wounds < 1336182410 22724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336182415 666810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bad at crawl < 1336182482 854424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try again!!! < 1336182556 436132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cap,e < 1336182590 497020 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336182612 897873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im cap < 1336182616 451777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1336182630 653041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should enchant it to +2 < 1336182657 419772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most body slot armoures go to +2 < 1336182665 475306 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also cloaks < 1336182691 705502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only exception I can think of is bardings, which are internally represented as boots < 1336182702 714519 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh righ tand somme body slot armours give more base ac than others < 1336182709 454125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like caps give +0 whereas helmets give +1 < 1336182719 391057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like: boreding < 1336182723 336565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait caps dont give me any ac??? < 1336182726 635773 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a +0 cap is better than nothing because it gives a bit of acid protection < 1336182729 488582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im wearing th ok < 1336182748 671922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enchanted robe < 1336182752 840852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should have chosen cap" < 1336182767 384394 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably be replacing both < 1336182776 809681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to stick with the cap for the rest of the game < 1336182777 595988 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :robe for heaver armoures and cap for hemlet < 1336182781 377573 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336182786 752775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably not < 1336182788 143788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless itll be < 1336182788 633659 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you find a cool artefact cap!! < 1336182789 527213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really funny < 1336182793 582744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's fine < 1336182797 800209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not hemlet!! < 1336182807 833855 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyrovepreva is a cap i think < 1336182815 608177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hat of the alchemist is megagood cap < 1336182839 731174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats visored < 1336182841 426685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1336182844 31628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what visored means < 1336182848 336933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean for thegame < 1336182850 141268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the game < 1336182856 814104 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it means you can't wear it with a beak? < 1336182869 920309 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no tengu :'[ < 1336182911 73023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":(" --tengu < 1336182941 354059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no the helmet gives me one more ac < 1336182945 373820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336182948 731507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hte helmet give me acid resistance < 1336182993 184856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say no) < 1336183042 115114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is the slot covered with something for the acid protection < 1336183048 641427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah the helmet works for head slot < 1336183066 53194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill < 1336183071 357178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the cap around for sentimental reasons < 1336183076 872254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but use the helmet < 1336183262 710114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336183287 836622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creis < 1336183307 358064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was lucky < 1336183705 636599 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: good self self portrait < 1336183716 67185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1336183759 761685 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to start keeping track of all these self-portraits. < 1336183764 332124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I'll lose them. < 1336183835 264515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i can afford that cursed ring of hunger < 1336183866 882979 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when is the self portraite of kmc coming out < 1336183879 98661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i figure out what to draw on it < 1336183905 550351 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. whenever i see the true nature of kmc's self < 1336183931 383963 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll go on a discovery adventure journey tonight to discover it through the power of adventure and journey < 1336183948 644966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into your cave and find your power animal < 1336183982 443540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: kmc doesn't have a self < 1336183986 678965 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you ever had a self portrait drawn of you < 1336184004 969899 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336184025 353527 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonqy: poor kmc < 1336184059 499568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is your true self a pear < 1336184069 828581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's this vault < 1336184076 847235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1336184099 597041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is your false self a moth < 1336184109 996154 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336184131 562234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you going to answer no to this question < 1336184141 315569 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1336184156 438384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy help it's this vault < 1336184158 897437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like gnolle < 1336184179 461918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i have no ranged attacks whatsoever < 1336184254 243226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just < 1336184255 358041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip this level < 1336184351 376285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOOOLLE!!! < 1336184365 647189 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i was looking away < 1336184379 560422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it always when im not watching that you get in trouble < 1336184385 198144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1336184386 179782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its < 1336184387 871298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics < 1336184397 706244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those four doors open up to a scary vault right < 1336184413 938636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you trrey opening them you'll rpobably gnolldie a gnolldeath < 1336184432 974634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1336184500 472273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :'( < 1336184509 504218 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hav bliink? < 1336184517 155371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1336184556 486321 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feare might work unless there's still that buge < 1336184566 336614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be your best bet anyway < 1336184590 326649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im safe < 1336184590 527940 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably yiufe vaulte < 1336184594 674271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336184620 491023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi yiuf < 1336184633 891176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :snower arm orb guardian < 1336184711 186846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how bad ev 6 is < 1336184720 182284 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1336184777 757330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oops" - me, too < 1336184854 121509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gr8 < 1336184958 307115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336184970 889740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :run up the staires maybe < 1336184997 519735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll just < 1336184998 480452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dance" < 1336185093 11059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird map < 1336185190 449858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i hate merfolk < 1336185335 813065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1336185338 606949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goliath beetle + crimson imp party < 1336185395 404127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like giant arghball ha ha ha < 1336185450 183552 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336185467 280654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1336185469 626761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should train invocations right < 1336185511 486354 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1336185538 655307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll want decent invo for greater servant < 1336185563 940537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the sucese calculatioens < 1336185569 651911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by suces i mean < 1336185578 475798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hostile chance < 1336185595 331070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill turn off combat and turn on armour and invocations i dont know theres so much ~conflicting advice~ about skills i see on ##crawl < 1336185609 433942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see how anyone manages training only one skill at a time long-term < 1336185619 935422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crawl is bad at agreeing with itself < 1336185627 509222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i train multiple skills at a time < 1336185630 365807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i take what i read there with < 1336185632 463075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a grain of salt" < 1336185642 874059 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336185652 347906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1336185655 614569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does autopickup turn off on invis < 1336185658 109539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the training one skill at a time craze is from when skills were in descrete levels rather than continuouse < 1336185659 316170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trust everything said on this channel. < 1336185662 88079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid picking up when fighting? < 1336185665 584399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336185670 113961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336185673 747636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's annoying < 1336185676 281560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i won't turn it off though) < 1336185687 118250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate jellies < 1336185694 993796 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336185703 352569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i'm too shitty at minor destruction to take them down from a disatnce < 1336185719 917194 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone really should make a status line item out of autopickup being off. Perhaps i’ll get around to making that patch some day. < 1336185737 997227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in the same place and colour as (Hit _) so nobody notices it < 1336185747 177075 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: nethack or crawl? < 1336185749 755577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl < 1336185824 481792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, giant spore < 1336185825 941686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is there a < 1336185827 545638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant spore strategy < 1336185831 527891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly just let them explode on me < 1336185849 767085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit them with ranged like darts or minor destruction to explod them from afar < 1336185858 150884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't matter so much as undead since then they dont confuse you < 1336185866 590716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, at least the ogre died < 1336185896 759466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just throw something at them or blast them with something. < 1336185935 455383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might switch to splint soon < 1336185959 284491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vehumet is weird < 1336185973 254567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i read that as < 1336185979 971994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 scrolls of sky frog flesh < 1336186017 17508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy!!! < 1336186021 283915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1336186025 115069 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1336186028 132408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'm going to be able to worship chei this game < 1336186040 491435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spider form for clinging < 1336186044 206032 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jokes your'e a ghoule < 1336186089 516426 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once found a scroll named MNOSOI SHIT. < 1336186110 206060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i should enchant something < 1336186110 951132 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that MIT's Kerberos realm uses single DES? < 1336186115 767641 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a huge learndb entry with things like that < 1336186117 183973 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful < 1336186130 676046 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fuc da sac or something like that. < 1336186143 473516 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awfully hilarious, you mean. < 1336186169 469440 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html seems blank. < 1336186192 449613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it forgot everything < 1336186237 90761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to learn how to chokepoint < 1336186295 449961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: kikubaaqudgha sounds hardcore -- oh i suddenly realise that that's kiku < 1336186304 739865 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kikubaaqudgha is necromancy god < 1336186320 449740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :necromancy magic, that is < 1336186328 595128 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrast with yredelemnul, undead friends god < 1336186360 106256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesser servant you're not helping!! < 1336186374 7626 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to hold the troll in place < 1336186380 803862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dancing around it and getting yourself hit won't help < 1336186384 173454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oops < 1336186428 469121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fair!!! < 1336186436 812348 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1336186441 59607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking away < 1336186444 671141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly you dead < 1336186447 718175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prince ribbit happened < 1336186459 686948 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ribbit is dangerous < 1336186485 866432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he' syelloe!!!! < 1336186500 607913 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don;t trust the mlist, seriously < 1336186732 64245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know < 1336186749 200238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought my "memories of scare" were from when i was < 1336186750 494297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaker < 1336187097 176644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat in here in before, I was asking something about some partial ordering (relating to multimanas in Icosahedral RPG). But we have, X is less than or equal to X, and if X less than or equal to Y and also Y less than or equal to Z, then X is also less than or equal to Z. But it looks like these two rules make a category; the first one is identity morphisms and the second one is composition of morphisms. < 1336188725 862861 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336188778 139967 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336190150 773002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336190645 166302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make up the Crawl variant with the following options which can be turn on/off before the game starts: * Do not restrict race/class combination * Disable artifacts * Disallow revisiting dungeon levels unless you are at a dead end * Disable religion * All items are created cursed * All NPCs explode when killed * Disable permanent food * Hit points refilled upon entering new dungeon level < 1336190825 89623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Hit points do not recover over time * Power points refilled upon entering new dungeon level * Power points do not recover over time * PC's experience level never increases * Skill levels never increase * Permanent map * Use "Twonky"-style display * Adjust NPC stats * No diagonal moves * All NPCs have a tracking device to track the PC * All NPCs know PC's weaknesses < 1336190957 946539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Creatures cannot be identified * Player is penalized for standing still < 1336191093 761775 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Feel free to. < 1336191108 547069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* PC cannot step in the same tile more than once < 1336191164 262542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you like this? Do you hate this? < 1336191230 649677 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly hate. :-) < 1336191238 780466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn’t mean someone else wouldn’t love it. < 1336191250 333712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336191255 474648 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336191291 84727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: * bad * bad * bad * terrible * awful * terrible * probably good * terrible * good * what are power points < 1336191370 545857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even twonky < 1336191472 887937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twonky is an old computer game, played on a grid of tiles, each of which can be floor, teleporter, or wall; two of them are marked special as the goal square and a square which causes the game to end in a draw if touched. There is also the Twonky which moves toward you each turn and you lose if its distance to you is less than 2. < 1336191517 149254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot see any of the tiles; but you are told the distance from your location to Twonky and distance from your location to the goal square. You can also shoot. You are told if you land on a teleporter, or bump into a wall or the edge of the grid. < 1336191528 674490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The distances are Euclidean distances) < 1336191592 13498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe this game doesn't call them power points; maybe they are called magic points or spell points; or does it use Vancian casting? < 1336191602 675930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has MP, yes. < 1336191610 366211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you even played Crawl? < 1336191612 744691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then that is what I mean. < 1336191632 958585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, I have played Crawl a while ago but I forget a lot of it. I have played it both on the computer and on the Nintendo DS. < 1336191653 155072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Crawl is available for the DS? < 1336191674 806870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall it is, but I may be wrong. < 1336191695 595388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it uses tiles. :( < 1336191766 314677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it does use ASCII text for most (but not all) things (I don't know why). < 1336191775 178053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d *love* tiles with the tiles being simply renditions of the same Unicode characters with the same colors the terminal version uses. The benefit would be that the tiles are square and the minimap can work. < 1336191822 474769 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tiles/a tiles version/ < 1336191828 137217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even hate tiles, inherently; there's no reason a roguelike should be constrained to the terminal grid as it is. I just have every tileset I've seen. < 1336191854 335474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They disregard the most important part of a roguelike: the highly stylised, minimalistic, symbolic line-art aesthetic that derives from the technological restrictions. < 1336191867 480271 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same characters but perfectly square would be just perfect for me. < 1336191870 437250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Geoduck tilesets are probably the closest to getting it right... but unfortunately they're pretty hideous. < 1336191883 221112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes they are square; I remember that. < 1336191883 473505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336191933 772650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336191939 727115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:23 I don't even hate tiles, inherently; there's no reason a roguelike should be constrained to the terminal grid as it is. I just have every tileset I've seen. < 1336191939 922968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24 They disregard the most important part of a roguelike: the highly stylised, minimalistic, symbolic line-art aesthetic that derives from the technological restrictions. < 1336191939 940941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24 The same characters but perfectly square would be just perfect for me. < 1336191941 323780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24 The Geoduck tilesets are probably the closest to getting it right... but unfortunately they're pretty hideous. < 1336191943 324039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24 ion: I think you'd find just making them square might leave a bit too much horizontal space to be aesthetically pleasing. < 1336192006 936158 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just scaling the glyphs without respecting the original aspect ratio works. < 1336192020 761696 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’ve tried that with PuTTY which supports that.) < 1336192029 134192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1336192051 988158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would do horrible things to the glyphs. < 1336192079 796141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: By the way, what's your definition of "roguelike"? < 1336192098 571257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :roguelike, a. 1. like Rogue < 1336192110 458057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you would do that. < 1336192115 594700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do it again without using the word "Rogue"> < 1336192116 854871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1336192184 447341 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn-based, random world, … < 1336192214 53303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "..." is the cheating part : < 1336192215 206457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1336192254 232779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is something like "A turn-based role-playing game that takes place in a mostly-randomised grid world." < 1336192262 992208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't quite capture the you-vs-everything-else aspect, though. < 1336192295 240097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you vs everything else is common but not really something that makes a roguelike a roguelike imo < 1336192351 966288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yeah, fair enough. I was just thinking that e.g. giving Pokemon a randomised world and making it turn-based wouldn't make it a roguelike. < 1336192372 927339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe it would? I don't think so, but maybe changing the graphics to glyphs would be enough to sway my opinion. :p) < 1336192387 717326 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t find Crawl’s style where almost everyone else is 0) your enemy and 1) an ally with everyone else the best way. < 1336192408 932356 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics fall in the "common for roguelikes but not something that makes a roguelike a roguelike" bin for me < 1336192430 857101 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you meet a random ogre and a random hydra, why couldn’t the hydra be an enemy of the ogre as well? Take care of the hydra together and then perhaps the ogre notices you have some nice stuff it would like to have. < 1336192437 899354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Right, that was facetious, but it's something that affects my gut reaction. < 1336192445 18272 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: crawl devs don't like that sort of stuff < 1336192451 994987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you show me a grid of tiles with a @ moving about in it in turn-based fashion I'll think "roguelike". < 1336192467 478035 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps it finds you a bit too formidable and prefers to try not to provoke you. < 1336192478 602655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yeah, I don't really like the "MONSTER TEAM" thing. < 1336192494 984797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ogre wouldn't exactly queue up behind a bat and a rat to wait to have a go at you. < 1336192511 136988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I can imagine that making monsters purely self-serving would just result in a dungeon full of blood and corpses. < 1336192532 963276 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget why the crawl devs don't like monsters fighting each other, or maybe it was just the outspoken opionionful devs that didn't like it < 1336192540 984531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. dpeg didn't like it, and he really didn't like it < 1336192590 116516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpeg sounds awful < 1336192617 520487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions was his job (he didn't touch the code) and he sure had a lot of it < 1336192623 303848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of his opinions were good < 1336192627 731441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest were bad < 1336192630 797887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how are you a "dev" if you don't touch the code < 1336192636 642626 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was lead dev < 1336192638 549229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the job title "loudmouth" < 1336192643 281353 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“manager” < 1336192652 980542 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lead designer" < 1336192691 559407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :devesignoper < 1336192701 652170 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget exactly how many of his opinions were good/bad but < 1336192908 119294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should name my roguelike < 1336192912 566662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something nice and misspelled < 1336192918 439681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make a word that's a misspelling of itself < 1336192980 793533 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1336192989 296951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336192998 792199 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336193043 872628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i had no idea there were so many angband variants < 1336193050 766343 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots < 1336193059 947421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1336193063 426026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:38 i forget exactly how many of his opinions were good/bad but < 1336193063 623781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41 monqy: you should name my roguelike < 1336193063 641857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41 something nice and misspelled < 1336193065 16476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41 can you make a word that's a misspelling of itself < 1336193067 14021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you < 1336193069 12064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed < 1336193073 12772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you quitted < 1336193086 593157 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1336193087 115159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Animeband is an animé-themed variant of Angband, with references to dozens of different animé series and video games. Its primary language is Japanese, although versions are later ported into English." "For example, races include DBZ Saiyajins and Androids, Moogles from the Final Fantasy series, and 'Hententmons' (a combination of hentai tentacle beasts and Pokémon)." thank you, RogueBasin < 1336193170 560019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh, of course < 1336193176 924979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i had a nice implementation of this function but I've forgotten it < 1336193242 351502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's a nice implementation of (Monad f) => (a -> f b) -> f (Maybe a) -> f (Maybe b) < 1336193424 410187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1336193441 193748 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \f xs -> maybe (return Nothing) (fmap Just . f) =<< xs < 1336193441 895254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) a1. (Monad m, Functor m) => (a1 -> m a) -> m (Maybe a1) -> m (Maybe a) < 1336193444 398093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr the solution involves >>= and liftM < 1336193453 567251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's what I have < 1336193456 963121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ideal :( < 1336193533 551066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1336193543 295281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would also accept < 1336193550 399456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad f) => f (Maybe (f a)) -> f (Maybe a) < 1336193556 352144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is what lead me to the nice solution last time < 1336193655 286592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be the case that the high score table would not be kept if any of the options I have specified are adjusted; unless you created a seperate high score table for the specific set of options. < 1336193673 663058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you see zzo38's suggestions for crawl < 1336193677 182611 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336193696 898531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked a lot of them but probably they wouldn't work in crawl < 1336193701 733238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because crawl is crawl < 1336193738 18938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember when playing the game, that I have wanted some race/class combinations which are not available; there were also some races and some classes which I have wanted to use which did not existing in that game. < 1336193756 190077 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most race/class combinations are selectable in crawl < 1336193771 472493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ones you can't select are impossible in-game right < 1336193771 572259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ones that aren't are things like demigod priests since demigods can't worship gods < 1336193780 765928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few redundant ones are unselectable too i think < 1336193789 288738 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things that depend on items you can't use < 1336193797 406093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly this applies to felids < 1336193808 936437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to say ha ha ha felids < 1336193812 405118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1336193829 745956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to be able to select redundant ones and ones which have unusable features anyways; they should simply be highlighted in a different color to warn you < 1336193892 73892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl already highlights terrbible combinations < 1336193898 425648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by highlight i mean < 1336193899 848213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opposite of that < 1336193933 673844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>= maybe (return Nothing) (fmap Just)) < 1336193946 245699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, that's what I came up with too. < 1336193950 174376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear I had something nicer. :( < 1336193967 250978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1336193987 373357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1336194034 517436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you call it? Is "joinJust" OK? < 1336194099 315366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't call it anything, I inlined it at its only use site. :p < 1336194119 722268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you lost it :'( < 1336194176 271519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, how about f (Maybe (a -> b)) -> f b -> f (Maybe a)? < 1336194180 600399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>= sequence) < 1336194186 183755 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336194190 439512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! But for Applicative f only this time :( < 1336194218 316249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was answering your original question; not this new one.) < 1336194295 650351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1336194310 803507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much nicer :) < 1336194318 506942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that's Traversable's sequence? < 1336194321 766506 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336194343 313374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1336194358 229297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336194364 46859 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336194475 655676 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \f xs -> sequence . fmap f =<< xs < 1336194476 324520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a a1. (Monad m) => (a1 -> m a) -> m [a1] -> m [a] < 1336194488 57310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence . fmap f, aka mapM f < 1336194518 959525 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, indeed. < 1336194528 418746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, it is < 1336194606 135751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i play corwael < 1336194607 868444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1336194610 69459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my roguelike's name < 1336194610 893900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :corawel < 1336194612 771465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336194617 606714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent, i'm misspellign it already < 1336194617 739878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :corwael < 1336194619 865195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1336194625 111149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's set in scotland < 1336194628 328125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to kill all the scots < 1336194634 891603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its plote < 1336194637 797305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may also be misspelling "misspelling" too, isn't it? < 1336194668 511206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true < 1336194676 754875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also misorthographising "it's" and "I'm" < 1336194686 18062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it misorthographing < 1336194692 959420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1336194696 697076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336194712 446845 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :misthinging < 1336194712 583151 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :corwæl < 1336194717 355473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im corl < 1336194730 163093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii watchtch < 1336194752 893086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i really hate the earlygame < 1336194772 215889 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the better to autuomat it < 1336194776 648252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to make a mini-roguelike where you start out fully equipped and statted < 1336194779 4596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the endgame < 1336194797 560887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just fune endgame dying action all the way < 1336194797 662726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doomrl has something kind of like that < 1336194823 199555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and then you have to decrease your stats as you advance an experience level......... < 1336194834 936768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :angel of confidence and angel of overconfidence challenge games, at which you start out 1/3 and 2/3 through the game already, respectively, with some gear to match < 1336194835 333519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a reverse roguelike? :D < 1336194839 783416 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336194852 98165 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think some odd angbands have modes where you start at the bottom and have to get out < 1336194858 413249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: mine would be more like < 1336194872 954494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13:43 < zzo38> O, and then you have to decrease your stats as you advance an experience level......... < 1336194874 832010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tries to present you with a game of nethack that has already been played up to the planes or whatever < 1336194878 345140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive heard of a roguelike like that < 1336194882 954824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you could reverse experience levels in some game possibly. < 1336194884 101901 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt what zzo said) < 1336194887 6858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget what it is called < 1336194891 620975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't thinkl i've ever played it < 1336194903 473885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who say wrt are good people < 1336194932 687294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John while James had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher < 1336194938 361585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl monsters that need to be removed: bats, phantoms, this list was longer but i forgot the other items < 1336194956 251217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot more < 1336194964 644850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that need to be removed that i have encountered < 1336194971 260118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, then add one option to my list which allows you to remove bats and phantoms and the other ones < 1336194972 363378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcrawl gets rid of all the annoying water and lava monsters by way of not having water or lava < 1336194990 437866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:16 amulet of rage[1/1]: Allows you to go {berserk}, and may extend the duration on kills. Chance of success depends on evocations. < 1336194991 452218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1336194994 796699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this amulet will not be good for me < 1336195000 599323 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're aghoul < 1336195001 661951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant berk < 1336195009 739928 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imps are no good either < 1336195011 240101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_e - a cursed -2 ring of protection (left claw) < 1336195012 783415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ac 2 < 1336195019 460709 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yumme < 1336195025 226605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah imps should go but they're less annoying than phantoms < 1336195039 301155 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336195040 994586 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampires < 1336195044 835929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen them but < 1336195045 891171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1336195054 616192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do < 1336195055 242888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1336195058 338141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms and goliath beetles < 1336195060 19153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1336195061 157275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336195063 816815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also make up a game that, if any wearable item is cursed, the curse only disallows you to remove it and not any other effect. Non-wearable items which are cursed differ in different ways. < 1336195065 743469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually worms just need nerfing < 1336195066 562489 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1336195070 328970 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I’m bored of watching your ghoul games. Play a DESu. :-( < 1336195073 27667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worsms and golaioth betls nee dtogo < 1336195074 216423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a less powerful attack < 1336195086 390921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: play a desu so ion stops complainign about it < 1336195090 223399 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336195090 376153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i might play a strong melee race at some point < 1336195106 651497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to play fancy stuff until i've won something because otherwise i'll just keep hopping forever < 1336195121 972546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1336195123 464563 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll hate desu < 1336195127 52008 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good chance you'll hate desu < 1336195139 685747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ill hate desu because of the acronym it doesnt matter what the play itself is like < 1336195154 788583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then play musu (ha ha ha) < 1336195171 355100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's musu like < 1336195174 592345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ha ha ha < 1336195214 744457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also have no autocursing items (although it might be the case that some items are more likely to be created cursed) < 1336195247 307236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is there a way to force rest/travel even if an X is nearby < 1336195261 845664 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: luau scripts < 1336195283 466513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1336195286 373357 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musu is one of the "infamously boring characters" < 1336195352 851062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:22 musu[1/1]: Most exciting race/class combination ever! Wait 300k turns, go to next Dlvl, repeat. If you have a boring beetle zombie pet, you should name it "MuSu". < 1336195354 839011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds gr8 < 1336195372 437808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice ring!!!!! < 1336195455 525893 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musu isn't actually like that but < 1336195470 832298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like i don't know what < 1336195472 20204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sus do < 1336195476 650861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :summon stuff < 1336195477 747035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1336195478 484908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :summon < 1336195479 564432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336195484 380891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does mu make it more boringer < 1336195496 419544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungerlesssnes < 1336195499 297701 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get free channeling < 1336195506 560629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just sit there spamming summons until things die? < 1336195517 56857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the gist of it < 1336195522 352403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gr9 < 1336195532 928222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1336195533 638075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1336195534 377682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1336195535 80392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnolls < 1336195544 646954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy < 1336195555 911167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyyyyyyy < 1336195574 496265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the first time i've died to a hobgoblin < 1336195605 549315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i find summonerrs lsess boring than conjurers because there's less keywork in it < 1336195623 476371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy i died < 1336195625 886631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1336195629 489762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the same level of thought (not much) but easier to numb the pain < 1336195632 266389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'/ < 1336195650 127562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do it too, you can select any kind of creature in game as your character and also too many classes to list, so instead we have to make the race/class selection you type in what you want, and you can use tab-completion; if you type ? then it selects one at random, and if you push ? followed by tab then it expands to a random selection in place, which you can remove if you wish. < 1336195653 700748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much everyone who isn't me prefers conj. over summ < 1336195657 50577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not unreasonable to think that gnolls hit way too hard for things that can hit you from afar and come in packs really early on right < 1336195674 409584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probalby mishandling them a little bit < 1336195685 847102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gnoll strategy is just "run" because even with a chokepoint they just wear down my hp :( < 1336195688 256685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't been so bad for my musus < 1336195689 694456 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1336195690 756156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not musus < 1336195691 648036 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mucks < 1336195696 693581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't mucks like < 1336195699 822193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than ghmo?? < 1336195704 641934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1336195709 25941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your script is probably smarter than me < 1336195716 834553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my script is rly dumb < 1336195723 234651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1336195727 5385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how do i handle gnolls < 1336195729 800772 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1336195733 538523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1336195737 259454 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just comes naturally ?? < 1336195767 882643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336195770 946480 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Play a spriggan enchanter. < 1336195773 618645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous strategy was < 1336195775 781000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chokepoint < 1336195776 647788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab tab tab < 1336195778 93122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that lead to < 1336195778 450480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1336195780 539041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1336195782 50431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hit hard < 1336195785 334486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come in packs < 1336195828 772139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1336195829 388249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336195898 318653 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They move fast, are stealthy, don’t need to eat much and are pretty okay at enchanting. < 1336195898 920508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just < 1336195902 376241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :resign myself to dying to gnolle < 1336195930 186799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yeah but that's like wildly different from everything else i've played (apart from my unserious spas diving) so < 1336195940 261551 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED. < 1336195948 421864 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :branching out is good < 1336195949 617158 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You’ll get to confuse guys and stab them. < 1336195957 216621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not when i'm terrible at everything! < 1336195959 16179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about what I have posted far above relating to partial orderings and categories? < 1336195967 719730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to become less bad at things before branching out < 1336196018 303034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad mindset < 1336196034 852497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the implication that i'm not good at anything < 1336196045 880646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1336196048 897914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not going to get less bad at < 1336196081 573470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you’ll get better at things *by* branching out. :-) < 1336196093 580187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok < 1336196095 203620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i play < 1336196095 480792 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You’ll have more fun. < 1336196097 608001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336196113 57653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a nice melee race with lots of hp and str except not mibe or mifi or whatever because they're TOO MAINSTREAM < 1336196118 769653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by race i mean < 1336196119 250024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :combo < 1336196121 863140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play whatever ion suggests so he'll shut up < 1336196127 369913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpEn! DECj! DESu! TrBe! < 1336196136 785121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ion will never shut up < 1336196137 264585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok don't play what ion says < 1336196143 466854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: SpEn does not meet < 1336196144 752429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my criteria < 1336196145 907700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1336196156 545654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think trbe counts as too mainstream < 1336196160 176420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does str have to do with anything < 1336196160 249577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want you to try a goot magic guy. < 1336196161 273566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WkmO? WWNp? ABCD? < 1336196163 84358 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1336196166 119988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15534 games < 1336196167 237412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too mainstream < 1336196172 311187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh str was < 1336196175 282516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally an abbreviation for strength < 1336196179 62379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not referring to the stat < 1336196181 923288 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o h < 1336196191 528828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: crawl's magic seems boring < 1336196198 26230 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s pretty fun. < 1336196200 12727 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on what magic you're doing < 1336196204 281390 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like it < 1336196207 973646 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like parts of it < 1336196211 310763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people don't like any of it < 1336196219 662615 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to try each part of it for yourself < 1336196238 463870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i could just unfairly disregard it < 1336196238 482084 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s so fun to cast ice/fire clouds with a powerful DE. < 1336196249 410021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's boring < 1336196258 770549 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clouding everything is so ugh < 1336196260 250758 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You also have to try Sprint! < 1336196266 279012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did i died after 3 turns < 1336196267 90614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing the same spell routines to everything is uuuugh < 1336196277 142163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would play a summoner except < 1336196280 66120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get to summon straight away < 1336196282 950929 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336196284 33408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336196290 96110 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get spammals < 1336196290 445070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1336196297 100105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how different are the first few dlvls playwise to like < 1336196299 31219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything i've been doing < 1336196301 553672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a summoner < 1336196323 496041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different < 1336196335 3096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336196342 72425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what race for summoner :( < 1336196345 473209 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE < 1336196348 975476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336196352 139177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :og < 1336196359 805236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's greyed out!!! < 1336196367 993806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a noongrey? < 1336196375 718309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trolling me so i end up with problem and then i will mad :( < 1336196386 715337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait ion is here he'll take that non-ironically < 1336196389 458458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogsu is "goode" < 1336196392 647290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you allowed to select one that are greyed out? < 1336196394 59596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: felid is non-grey maybe i should go with felid!!! < 1336196395 552138 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i like it" < 1336196396 690582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1336196398 963619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just saying < 1336196398 982338 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1336196401 721985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crawl devs don't like this" < 1336196407 867503 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE has the most MP at start IIRC. < 1336196409 61305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ogres don't sound like they'd be very good at magic!!! < 1336196411 58437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a TRICK < 1336196416 143393 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ogres have +2 spellcasting < 1336196420 17744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really < 1336196420 533748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336196421 318304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that what I wrote above about partial ordering as a category is correct; I look on Wikipedia and yes it is in there the same thing I was thinking of. < 1336196424 569819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine im ogsu < 1336196428 473244 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1336196428 491488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: JOKES' THEY HAVE -3 IN EVERY SCHOOL < 1336196429 641074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't ogres have lots of health < 1336196436 76751 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogres have lots of health jeeze < 1336196450 529848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: your joke is mean :'( < 1336196451 708950 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't even try? < 1336196452 278242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1336196456 39722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1336196459 344329 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should at leastt < 1336196459 505524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i blame monqy" -- me < 1336196460 588923 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1336196467 18282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not before trying something less hideously terrible!!! < 1336196467 203406 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1336196474 508196 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hideously terrible! < 1336196483 823621 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna play ddsu? have fun < 1336196490 438120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336196491 342042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just < 1336196494 599568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :resting the cursor < 1336196511 457880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill play musu if yhou don't save me in the next 10 seconds < 1336196519 699029 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway pick whatever i don't care. just don't play vpsu < 1336196532 735315 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just pick DE? They’re good at magic. < 1336196546 646667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guess what i just focussed < 1336196550 231498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play as ABCD < 1336196550 913128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :focussssed < 1336196559 53014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it is permitted!) < 1336196560 580998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: vp has the most annoying hunger mechanic in the game < 1336196567 163554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :play as zzoo < 1336196568 429879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the potion of blood thing < 1336196571 43853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336196591 776271 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to manage your blood level for resists/regeneration/etc < 1336196596 686412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i cant play DESu because itll result in terrible people making terrible jokes based on the acronym sory < 1336196600 461520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sounds lovely < 1336196605 638694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i won't make joke < 1336196616 610808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not you im worried about!!! < 1336196617 247391 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s not nearly as funny as HOMo. < 1336196622 478784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1336196624 818957 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly < 1336196626 667009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336196634 748565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then modify the acronym and recompile < 1336196639 624934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you know what'[s funny < 1336196641 572577 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KoCK < 1336196643 872407 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play KoCK < 1336196649 932786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha haah ah ah ah ha haha its hilarious because its a word < 1336196653 484048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kobold chaos knight? < 1336196663 855303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the only one i can figure out < 1336196677 323502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :desu is deep elf summoner < 1336196677 951466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even remember what mu is < 1336196682 62691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mummy < 1336196684 287806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336196740 184251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336196742 631559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i restarted ogsu < 1336196748 396043 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1336196751 24358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok listen ill do ogsu if you come clean about how terrible it is < 1336196751 463054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can play ogsu now < 1336196762 437713 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: m < 1336196764 81083 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not terrible! < 1336196771 84726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:40 elliott: JOKES' THEY HAVE -3 IN EVERY SCHOOL < 1336196774 287789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont believ yuo :'( < 1336196781 168996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category theory does a lot of things!! < 1336196792 796200 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spellcasting is probably more important and it’s positive for ogres. < 1336196812 743896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok what i focus < 1336196817 744485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1336196826 157555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn off dodge and stealth < 1336196840 465538 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use manual mode of course < 1336196841 359477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how do i < 1336196842 514981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelle < 1336196842 730557 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch to manual and perhaps use Spellcasting * and Summonings + < 1336196854 319402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: z key to spell < 1336196854 864997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: summonings are -3 apt though :'( < 1336196866 405687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it matters less than you'd think < 1336196870 832726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh should i still melee small things < 1336196873 655422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kan extensions also does a lot of things!! < 1336196874 682938 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :z? lists spells, M memorizes new ones. < 1336196878 633844 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn’t melee. < 1336196882 479735 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should melee < 1336196887 844529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but use a giant spiked club!!!! < 1336196893 465982 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just spammals now. < 1336196895 232208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your fists < 1336196901 83185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for just startinfg off use spoammals < 1336196902 623917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have giant spiked club < 1336196903 893358 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can train a weapon later < 1336196911 67279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh no < 1336196916 893010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogre has bad hunger < 1336196935 972431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank < 1336196963 470699 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest to get Spammals! < 1336196967 471329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1336196969 566355 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spammals! < 1336196973 472428 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest to get more MP < 1336196981 510364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is tricky < 1336196984 72838 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :before 5’ing to kobolds < 1336196984 526034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go musu if you don't wnat hungre < 1336196990 649939 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. I’m too tired for IRC. < 1336196990 707564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: noooo < 1336196993 598865 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :before o’ing to kobolds < 1336197007 967926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about kosu < 1336197012 49085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kobolds have an ok hunger mechanism < 1336197018 281839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 0 hp) < 1336197054 780583 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go kosu < 1336197064 675140 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wall of summons is kind of like hp < 1336197066 317741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1336197067 723995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill regret this < 1336197088 120215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do when i summon a bat urgh < 1336197091 429910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i recast i run out of mp < 1336197160 993505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1336197165 438739 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix signals are an unholy clusterfuck < 1336197166 797634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to play this properly < 1336197170 717357 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just spammals with all your MP. < 1336197183 357346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And switch places with them so they get to surround the guy. < 1336197200 613371 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No kidding < 1336197213 444466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the whole idea of POSIX is absurd at face value < 1336197229 562608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why do you hate UNIX signals? < 1336197230 309565 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one could take a bunch of different operating systems that sort of have some shared history < 1336197238 158452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make them act almost like the same operating system < 1336197264 675928 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remarkable thing about a dancing bear is not how well it dances, but that it dances at all < 1336197288 887942 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now is when you learn < 1336197296 800982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning is boring < 1336197297 213379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can tell your spammals to attack someone in their FoV with t < 1336197307 592808 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: M to learn new spells. < 1336197317 254352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning is boring :( < 1336197318 753701 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, you can’t yet. < 1336197335 108373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi, welcome to ##crawl! < 1336197342 638980 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where to start < 1336197349 44187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start with every table and list in http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/signal.7.html < 1336197390 953286 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the sheer number of signal-related syscalls < 1336197397 831703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has a syscall now named rt_tgsigqueueinfo < 1336197543 504650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is su always like this < 1336197551 14466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1336197552 957090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's su? < 1336197559 539142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiddly < 1336197567 469334 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiddly? < 1336197604 287139 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just added a bunch more options to squarelos' randomiser < 1336197614 783295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see < 1336197617 342286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including: messages_at_top, view_lock_x, view_lock_y < 1336197621 623566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss < 1336197627 195432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must see < 1336197638 193721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the turn display will switch between the two different types of turns < 1336197642 282844 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the turncount will go up and down < 1336197652 54130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope messages_at_top changes less frequently < 1336197656 649357 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it toggles -ctele display too < 1336197657 187123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'll get a headache < 1336197659 524553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it does < 1336197687 190676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spams space on the CDO game list < 1336197704 265015 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336197714 347625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing < 1336197715 663618 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336197720 887420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1336197725 81873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im upset that not all the colours of the stat things change though < 1336197737 907464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that turn count is just perfect < 1336197738 545636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1336197755 517513 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryin gagain < 1336197761 939137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time sitting up straight < 1336197764 628019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1336197772 628451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunched over the back of my seat < 1336197776 614103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that < 1336197800 631408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: another thing you could randomise is the number of lines devoted to messages < 1336197805 216370 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1336197813 984349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be especially great when it's on top < 1336197821 382922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything else would bob up and down < 1336197852 904243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the language change on every turn? it seems to stay at Skermeesher for a while < 1336197854 66864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there it goes < 1336197865 859069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A concrete category is a category that is equipped with a faithful functor to the category of sets. But, what is a category that is equipped with a fully faithful functor to the free category of a subset of its quiver (meaning, a collection of some of its morphisms)? < 1336197918 759124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i sent that around orc priest inner flam < 1336197949 286328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what are the two types of turn anyway < 1336197986 415668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is how many moves you've made and the other is how long you've taken in game time < 1336197997 178602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336198011 710965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the latter. < 1336198020 955018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It immediately shows how slow your hits are etc. < 1336198031 850184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a turn count and the other is a clock < 1336198104 498903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: rip (i didn't see what happened) < 1336198112 462226 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like im getting progresisvely worse < 1336198129 154590 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i consider playing non-muck but that's just less cool no matter how you look at it < 1336198160 983425 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why aren't my messages going to the top occasionally :( < 1336198172 861834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered this also < 1336198210 916370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its fairly obvious that continually playing with a nigh-unusable interface and mashing with a nigh-useless script will make you worse :P < 1336198212 426060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the smoke trail behind you caused by Xom? < 1336198216 655160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336198311 927255 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i play < 1336198318 357436 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :muck is fine bu < 1336198318 890942 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1336198322 255388 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something else too < 1336198325 241851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feck of chei < 1336198329 178634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh fine < 1336198335 982904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was kidding but < 1336198338 258954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1336198351 59598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't feck of chei < 1336198356 937878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my script doesn't work so good with feck < 1336198372 106795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work so good with anything < 1336198395 335109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :play idk something < 1336198400 624103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what should monqy play < 1336198411 880875 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1336198435 360914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: play DuNo < 1336198440 105309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DUNo < 1336198444 742691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336198459 467046 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep Undulate Norwegian < 1336198466 828981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep Uranian Nobbler < 1336198476 882063 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just play trck "oh well" < 1336198482 660230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trck of chei please < 1336198489 280967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1336198493 288172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to make a combo funnier: append "of chei" < 1336198497 38558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crawl expert already < 1336198520 766388 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think my script knows how to not starv < 1336198540 667949 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it forgot how to eat on nonghouls < 1336198554 289395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's definitely eating < 1336198565 521580 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it butchering? < 1336198571 943010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336198669 197044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should play deep dwarf skald < 1336198669 781561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1336198673 654149 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336198682 856877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :merfolk fire elemental < 1336198720 197177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: merfolk fire elemental has to be good, right??? < 1336198726 46434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336198781 646807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":(" -- monqy < 1336198884 736913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1336198903 368507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do fire elementals get a god < 1336198908 38805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or merfolk < 1336198908 842790 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pcik one < 1336198910 272574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know nothing about either < 1336198912 985094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1336198913 339164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stock < 1336198916 137182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ootb" < 1336198916 865681 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire elementalists worship vehumet < 1336198918 745931 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1336198952 799109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have to < 1336198958 322681 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow im lage < 1336198959 31635 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336198963 382598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1336198965 745078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they start doing so < 1336198968 241745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im not lage < 1336198970 745459 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I was joking < 1336199018 597313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (D)'sterity < 1336199041 39304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come only health is changing colours now < 1336199117 640591 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :animate skeleton looks like a fun spell < 1336199184 332110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dioid that remains a dioid if addition and multiplication are swapped and zero and one are swapped. < 1336199270 312465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that something like topology? < 1336199348 787431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ^ < 1336199379 747091 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wtf < 1336199381 121810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any mathematics known here? Maybe oerjan? Maybe someone else? < 1336199384 579702 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the skeletons from animate skeletons never time out? < 1336199453 118351 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336199488 283975 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336199613 959674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what happened < 1336199621 401257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava snakes < 1336199632 402486 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :script got me deep into some serious lava snake trouble, i underestimated them on my escape trip < 1336199651 467489 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava snakes are equally nasty IRL. < 1336199703 292213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you considered you haven't been getting progressively worst, just your script has < 1336199727 245730 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336199746 958244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i require my script or crawl is unplayable < 1336199763 241025 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does monqy's script do < 1336199765 592203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true, you can also dive!!! or maybe you considered that unplayable but you didn't seem to < 1336199770 924662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: explore and fight and eat < 1336199779 414956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has it bound to spacebar < 1336199791 145570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it also traverses stairs! < 1336199836 737549 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's clever < 1336199839 565198 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clears D:1 for you etc? < 1336199845 854286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clears everything for you < 1336199848 582668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bot < 1336199852 405453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's dumb and gives up a lot < 1336199855 995788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and monqy has to get it out of its mess < 1336199862 130499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like 1/3 a bot < 1336199914 572057 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important 1/3 < 1336199915 364587 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1336199920 438620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen monqy play < 1336199937 719974 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Danswan's ghost (powerful Tengu Conjurer) comes into view < 1336199941 521883 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I wonder what spells it knows < 1336199972 48976 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1336199974 713188 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it died before casting anything < 1336200044 152430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you going to play one of the combos i suggested ;( < 1336200049 237494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh which < 1336200061 203430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep dwarf skald or merfolk fire elemental (whichever makes less sense) < 1336200071 922801 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wnat either of those < 1336200109 215535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i suggested them < 1336200131 172426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll do ddsk < 1336200164 768531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what skalds do < 1336200222 979127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i like how deep dwarves just die slowly < 1336200230 322954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of my life :'( < 1336200248 265623 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336200248 715211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1336200249 524206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1336200254 620102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbreviated one of your inventory items as "hy" < 1336200297 717377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1336200402 31950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: rip < 1336200404 305040 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1336200423 707797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:45 hunger should be seriously nerfed 07:46 Robot2600: why? no one starves to death < 1336200428 217131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid words :( < 1336200435 640064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i say it in here so nobody can disagree with me) < 1336200449 851914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the kind of abuse you can achieve when you ADMINISTRATE A POPULAR WIKI!!!) < 1336200592 12036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you converted to chei? < 1336200613 115330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have good abbreviations for "consequent" and "antecedent" < 1336200626 383524 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :con, ant < 1336200629 849464 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons, ante < 1336200633 775085 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conse, antec < 1336200650 507167 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conseq, antece < 1336200660 279687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conseque, antecede < 1336200662 415486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm i was misusing consequent and antecedent < 1336200671 769449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you call p, a and b in if p then a else b < 1336200679 186873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is the consequent i guess < 1336200688 986363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1336200691 55793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antecedent i mean < 1336200705 277643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a might be the consequent but then i'm not sure what b would be and this is kind of silly < 1336201054 15486 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336201211 97082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elsequent. < 1336201217 409058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336201230 528228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what soids fk okkr p ekt < 1336201251 605398 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep?? < 1336201259 703882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336201354 404105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shoudl i play sprint < 1336201366 531212 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1336201370 963673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it crap < 1336201378 977231 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336201397 69072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not interested then < 1336201400 564198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has different problems from normal crawl < 1336201455 39891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the best sprint < 1336201459 565379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looks like it has sonja < 1336201463 444093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember < 1336201466 445407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprint opinions being a thing < 1336201467 605693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are yours < 1336201502 908880 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336201508 912320 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all different! < 1336201520 79630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones are terrible < 1336201524 561218 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all different! < 1336201575 129956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you not have opinions on them come on you hate something about almost every given aspect of crawl < 1336201600 221185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have opinions on each sprint and they're incomparable < 1336201616 636572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but do any of them suck < 1336201624 40075 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by suck < 1336201626 192463 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think i’ve won one of the sprints, but i don’t remember which one. < 1336201634 411760 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently the crawl light server has a version with a bug where corpse sacrifices don't delete the corpses so you can gian infinite piety from them < 1336201654 12163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you're awful just recommend me a sprint!!! < 1336201654 433090 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bugged implementation of sacrifices sacrificing everything in los) < 1336201659 238413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl light server? < 1336201664 976515 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1336201673 13315 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all of them, in rotation < 1336201677 133885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.barackobama.com/joe-biden-can-holder.html thanks biden < 1336201680 825783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: uuugh < 1336201682 118024 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, i hadn’t encountered Crawl light before. < 1336201683 602711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which should i start with < 1336201690 70069 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: any < 1336201696 897173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're awful < 1336201698 73295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do 3 < 1336201704 257657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cheers champ < 1336201713 163125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill be a felid abyssal knight < 1336201738 936156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died < 1336201799 185607 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watchieng crawl lgiht game < 1336201817 804985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1336201819 886601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where serve < 1336201828 66055 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet light.bitprayer.com < 1336201831 766452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1336201835 424016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be sure to mess with your TERM if it's bad < 1336201842 370593 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336201853 657395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your password i want to send messages < 1336201880 129281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need a password to send messages? < 1336201891 960556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need monqy's specifically < 1336201931 846460 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :name squarelos, password robin < 1336201940 45236 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only one active game and it's idle :( < 1336201950 514971 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just registerd there) < 1336201952 280132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't idle 58 seconds ago! < 1336201959 226861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ond server deid or something??) < 1336201968 954153 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so my config is just defaults) < 1336201981 456153 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can try crawl light ! < 1336201982 851357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i play squarelos (i mean on cod (im not actually serious about this because i couldnt hope to live up to the artform you have taken crawl playing to)) < 1336201984 734955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey it's unidle < 1336201985 923947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cdo < 1336201995 281440 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah anyone can play squarelos < 1336201998 831754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't mess with the config < 1336202010 736340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already said it wasn't serious!!! < 1336202013 258000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1336202028 857543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far crawl light looks like crawl < 1336202034 686532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this seriously not tell which Sprint i played? http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/ion/morgue-ion-20110721-190348.txt < 1336202051 952749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: violet keep of menkaure < 1336202085 977787 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it say that somewhere? < 1336202086 760873 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few things look different from normal crawl < 1336202090 714943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it has a glow bar < 1336202101 889266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an auto < 1336202104 899301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336202109 379519 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the experience system is a bit different < 1336202114 514868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and # < 1336202137 835998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i cant decide if my roguelike should use 256colours or not < 1336202146 257890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you want! < 1336202155 252934 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about 2^32 colours < 1336202170 30463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does yours do!!! < 1336202173 701910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: terminals can't do that!!! < 1336202181 737242 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an OpenGL client < 1336202183 14846 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doofus < 1336202186 733645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: undecided < 1336202187 372591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So write a new terminal which will be a requirement for your new roguelike. < 1336202191 377996 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are your roguelikes multiplayer? < 1336202193 889415 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have PvP? < 1336202199 660786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplayer roguelikes don't < 1336202203 575068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work very well generally < 1336202285 989963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Crawl light warrants a fork? < 1336202286 120068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr: also why < 1336202287 947210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opengl < 1336202307 411198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im having trouble thinking of much a roguelike would require beyond sdl < 1336202317 183705 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336202323 616056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can reuse an existing opengl engine or whatever it < 1336202325 694482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly seems worthwhile < 1336202339 523283 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is icky < 1336202346 922970 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opengl is icky < 1336202355 467531 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, better use a 2D API that’s an abstraction over OpenGL. You’ll get much better 2D acceleration. < 1336202360 479998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr "never seen opengl" < 1336202366 777191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's turn-based... but yeah im not defending sdl it's just < 1336202375 408003 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion that remark made little sense < 1336202383 548553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh yes it did < 1336202387 55544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made perfect sense < 1336202390 666705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff like vector graphics, scaling etc. < 1336202391 611126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: messing with a pixel buffer is a hell of a lot less pain than writing opengl crap < 1336202397 275747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest use a different frontend program as backend program, so that you can use it on a frontend for standard terminal, or a different one with mouse and icons, etc < 1336202399 226942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you use the programmable pipeline like you're meant to < 1336202422 922015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any reasonably complete 2d apis that use opengl under the hood? < 1336202431 607448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that aren't at the level of "game framework" < 1336202459 578912 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d hope so, but i haven’t researched what’s available. < 1336202496 810262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i might go for a graphically-rendered non-terminal thing i dunno < 1336202510 712915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more work < 1336202543 507181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like the imposed 80x24 constraint you get if you go terminal-based and have moral standards though < 1336202544 946248 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cairo supports OpenGL, but i don’t know whether it would be useful for a game. < 1336202560 391697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: font rendering is "a pain" < 1336202567 860697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a terminal everyone gets to use font rendering they like, more or less < 1336202576 999543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a pain < 1336202578 283723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do it myself text will probably be kinda yucky < 1336202580 716908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's true < 1336202607 293366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reasons for terminal would be: font, terminal, online play, termcaste < 1336202613 860930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've preferred a graphical display occasionally because you can improve things like new monster discoverability with it < 1336202635 243981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it would actually be useful for brief stats to appear as a "tooltip" style thing when a new monster appears < 1336202643 273496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really do that with a terminal < 1336202664 2971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wrt online play/termcasting, I have a fairly solid plan for that already < 1336202670 66974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1336202696 811518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm abstracting backends, the engine will explicitly keep track of "what the player knows/sees"; i.e. taking into account LOS and invisible monsters (if I have those) and so on < 1336202702 721031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a separate entity from the game world itself < 1336202709 817988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will also keep track of how it /changes/ from one turn to the next < 1336202713 709766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browser-based is an alternative, too. < 1336202719 951752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can turn that into a network protocol really easily < 1336202726 577280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by simply streaming the changes < 1336202730 773327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be plugged in to the frontend locally < 1336202741 252201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use your client with your settings to connect to an external server < 1336202749 263693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similarly you can "termcast" by playing locally and also streaming the same stuff < 1336202762 764453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and play on a server by having your client connect to a server and send commands/render the changes it gets < 1336202772 165032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which the server then also sends to anyone who wants to watch) < 1336202785 342403 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stream with timestamps also works as a saved “termcast”. < 1336202785 874269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it does require that people who want to watch have to have the game which is a disadvantage but < 1336202790 640506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yes, exactly < 1336202796 185701 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstracting backens is something i'd do even if i only planned on implementing one backend but < 1336202798 70457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than a termcast because you can e.g. < 1336202800 698215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seek to a turn < 1336202803 548378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or seek to an event < 1336202804 491665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1336202807 62893 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuugh writing multiple backends and networking stuff < 1336202813 792661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and < 1336202822 206146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be really nice to be able to look at someone's inventory < 1336202824 321885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while they're playing < 1336202826 645815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they don't choose to < 1336202827 737352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like that < 1336202847 455513 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you’ll be able to freely look at the inventory, abilities etc. while observing. < 1336202852 266374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i said :p < 1336202854 173689 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you just said that. :-D < 1336202863 149433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::--D < 1336202882 117485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically as long as you have a clear separation of game world / known game state / commands that have an in-game effect (like changing a training schedule or whatever) vs. commands that are just interface commands (opening/closing inventory, examining items, etc.) < 1336202898 692065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get recording/broadcasting/server play for free < 1336202909 369170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh *you also have to track deltas < 1336202910 280867 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo free < 1336202912 101997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just mutating things in-place < 1336202918 275808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well, for cheap, at leat < 1336202919 214933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1336202951 350773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps also not make everything about the game based on convoluted logic written in low-level C code spread over a bunch of files under ellawl-ref/source. < 1336202960 586604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it *is* nice that people can play online and always get the latest version of the game though < 1336202968 189783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you lose with this, you have to update it yourself < 1336202981 421119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: isn't it C++ < 1336202987 262165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so, i'm torn < 1336203008 252903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i *could* implement all this and then just only write a terminal backend and put it behind a mosh server < 1336203017 77169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels like such a waste given the advantages < 1336203019 871756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually having said that < 1336203025 866318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recordings would be useful even if i did that < 1336203030 931261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could watch them with the server's copy of the game < 1336203036 514801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still get all the nice seeking tools and so on < 1336203039 634809 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, not very C++-like C++, but it’s C++ FSVO C++. :-P < 1336203043 704200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and watch with your preferred charset!) < 1336203049 4332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and so on) < 1336203062 194900 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your preferred client, such as one on a smartphone or a browser-based one. < 1336203071 890385 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a terminal client on a VT100. < 1336203076 205413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you lost track of what i was saying. < 1336203084 727658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should read everything i say before replying :p < 1336203096 833498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:29 monqy: so, i'm torn < 1336203096 981321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30 monqy: i *could* implement all this and then just only write a terminal backend and put it behind a mosh server < 1336203097 78176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30 but it feels like such a waste given the advantages < 1336203098 416312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30 actually having said that < 1336203100 419652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30 the recordings would be useful even if i did that < 1336203100 913906 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, i’m very tired and have a bit of trouble concentrating. :-) < 1336203111 763580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiredness excuses don't work on me! < 1336203120 536936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I never read anything anyone else says before replying < 1336203127 989052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just complaining because complaining is grreat < 1336203130 39629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grrreat < 1336203202 208820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway "i d k" < 1336203207 753820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1336203210 649316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don't really plan to have releases so < 1336203212 494687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'[ < 1336203215 362337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336203215 573757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do want everyone just playing the latest VCS version < 1336203226 470224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes the you-have-to-install-it-locally thing difficult < 1336203228 753483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it autoupdates < 1336203229 149576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven t decided about releasinge < 1336203233 782729 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1336203237 662141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont want to write autoupdates < 1336203238 51026 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1336203243 863667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was half a joke < 1336203254 370661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a half too much < 1336203256 395864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would never work on e.g. linux where there's a billion things that can go wrong compiling < 1336203260 505359 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1336203262 668067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a half too little < 1336203275 777531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what i could do is make the backend a separate executable < 1336203276 692084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1336203294 561080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it has to handle is rendering a grid and messages and a stat display and do whatever fancy things like tooltips i add < 1336203295 371602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that < 1336203300 366736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't need updating when the game updated < 1336203303 138891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd make things like < 1336203306 570115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewing inventory of a game you're watching hard < 1336203313 192549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd uuuugh < 1336203315 534218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is hard < 1336203364 778876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't decided whether to go for 16 or 256 colours oops < 1336203385 246234 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 88 colors! < 1336203408 131600 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for terminal im torn. for nonterm i;d just go all coloiurs all the time < 1336203421 697614 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no two pixels should ever have the same color < 1336203439 588382 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you go all coloiurs all the time < 1336203492 664931 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an artform where you pick a 256-color palette and then draw a 16x16 image which uses each color exactly once < 1336203519 41912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Try < 1336203537 354149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a program that converts images to huge ones that use an entire 16-bit pallette < 1336203544 113151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still look basically the same (except awful) < 1336203580 117386 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey elynae's playing sprint iii < 1336203588 503521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now's your chance to see sprint in motion < 1336203603 642190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spront < 1336203612 982829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that crawl light game was exceedingly dull < 1336203619 7234 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336203635 667973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip elynae < 1336203640 977222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by ctrl+s < 1336203643 865977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336203676 730175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sprinting is tough worke" < 1336203695 312315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the thing with 256 colours is that picking colours for tiles becomes ~impossible < 1336203696 15571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh < 1336203703 151373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows for things like pretty shading for like < 1336203705 939959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :water depth or whatever < 1336203711 215584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've only won sprints 1 and 5 :( but i've won them a lote < 1336203712 726096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or heat (if theiy'res fyre) < 1336203721 706768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like < 1336203728 875451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudorandom shades of grey for walls and floor!!! < 1336203776 537815 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick to picking tiles colours is restrict yourself to say a 16 coloure palaet and then vary the coloures at rune time based on conditieons < 1336203783 339856 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. lighting < 1336203789 601167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336203793 123926 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a random variation < 1336203796 618066 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1336203807 91932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make everything rainbow < 1336203813 372543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every tile is flashing rainbow < 1336203838 215343 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://throbs.net/fun/swf.asp?rgb.swf (seizure warning) < 1336203876 284766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :old < 1336203882 245502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lovely < 1336203925 954452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed how it stops seeming to have colour after a while < 1336203930 802806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colour becomes "flashing" < 1336203956 636232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336203978 676287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1336204152 56901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ive solved my colour problem "the solution is tiles" (guffaws) < 1336204179 742277 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gufawes < 1336204202 995310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guyfawkes < 1336204220 858481 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good joke < 1336204224 655586 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughter abounds < 1336204378 574970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe ill colour everything programmatically < 1336204390 705659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they decide tile colours for nethack and dcss anyway < 1336204397 573325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess nobody knows about the former < 1336204397 975671 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1336204436 756148 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly how brogue does it but not everything of the same tile has the same colour so it definitely does something < 1336204451 428315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah seeing brogue screenshot is what made me think maybe i should 256 < 1336204451 733015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336204550 436230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i play brogue can brogue be played online < 1336204562 404324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if there are any brogue servers < 1336204594 635604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes i recommend playing brogue it was fun until i got sick of it < 1336204601 530329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be termcasted < 1336204608 416616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie does it have ~terminal playe~ < 1336204622 252471 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are least used to be terminalmod but it's uuugly < 1336204644 860073 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the faketerm mode is pretty) < 1336204662 259557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1336204667 558199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i play any game without broadcasting it!!! < 1336204679 64231 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could < 1336204682 997048 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the terminalmode < 1336204998 177103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336205017 65010 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336205063 741416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336205415 808545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 13.04 Radical Radish < 1336205698 229447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336205755 602473 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be 12.10 < 1336205774 304655 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :13.04 would be Severe Skidmarks < 1336205829 823441 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.10 would be Zygohistomorphic Zebromorphism < 1336205871 600287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutp up < 1336205872 15220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.10 is Quantal Quetzal < 1336205909 236904 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the english alphabet is different < 1336205914 514197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, fuck off. < 1336205936 245155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, don't interact with cheater_; that way, he'll fuck off quicker. < 1336205982 405096 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1336205987 462155 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're entertaining < 1336205994 490434 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get some pop-corn and hang around < 1336206077 616071 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so what's up < 1336206122 788060 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_++ for Zygohistomorphic Zebromorphism < 1336206141 952265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"this channel is terrible" < 1336206156 111476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it < 1336206166 664904 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are you lovin' it? < 1336206168 309117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_ says the most innocuous thing and everyone flips out and gets butthurt < 1336206174 758182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is such a good troll that he doesn't need to do any trolling < 1336206182 92997 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a co-troll < 1336206336 957079 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc have you seen the i3 wm? < 1336206353 929346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336206386 996819 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1336206396 230814 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider it a gift < 1336206454 390908 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently software patents have been disabled from functioning in an EU court < 1336206469 83136 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for the rest of the world to follow < 1336206483 502211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1336206523 681652 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one bites the dust < 1336206806 871704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's dwarf fortress time < 1336206926 21762 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336207530 585330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I my me mine I my me mine I my me mine I my me mine < 1336207539 740948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, that has a very tenuous connection to DF) < 1336207578 687698 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1336208800 564544 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm probably too stupid to play dwarf fortress, i keep on losing right away. < 1336208884 592041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to stop < 1336209099 875506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, there are guides... < 1336212142 179032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in g++ 2.x you could define operator?: < 1336212407 157933 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336212637 245427 :cheater_!~cheater@g230220222.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336212869 137435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336214244 721559 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13370B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336217348 125093 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1336217629 285239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336219298 665468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336219712 688542 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336219847 774631 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336219893 921604 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-64.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336220133 845672 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336220325 224237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336220335 544488 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336220621 799013 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13370B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336220788 184469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336221043 883853 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336224101 814462 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13370B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1336225801 999331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I seriously have no idea what the mingw.org guys are thinking. Their installer has an installer. < 1336226004 527414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I have decided that because all existing free wave-to-score programs suck, I need to write my own < 1336226098 620584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making decent progress, by using a novel approach I'm not sure has been tried yet < 1336226104 705338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on /not/ doing fourier transforms < 1336227016 628549 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1336227174 261394 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1336227247 154075 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created a page on your wiki, http://esolangs.org/wiki/~English, about a language I designed. Is it okay? < 1336227519 276695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: it's OK to document an esolang even if you're the only person who knows about it < 1336227541 393713 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1336228085 377347 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336228270 574270 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, but i think playing by guides is sort of boring < 1336228273 678188 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336228281 846818 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's less playing and more work < 1336228295 412421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you will NEVER BE ABLE TO PLAY DWARF FORTRESS < 1336228297 624729 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extreme < 1336228435 369032 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1336228444 221607 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : sad but true < 1336228984 308803 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088170177.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336229563 280924 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336229584 464807 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone check out Lowgate again and see if it's correctly possibly-turing-complete now? < 1336229596 924671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Taneb/Lowgate_and_Dilston < 1336231555 444456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may play dwarf fortress for a bit < 1336232393 318032 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336232749 553106 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1336233007 299485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1336233011 805954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336233090 753662 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336233125 652319 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088170177.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336233327 371462 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :It looks like an anemometer, but it is not. Anemometers don't fire bullets. Not even the expensive ones! Or I don't think they do ... if they do, meteorologists are more hardcore than I thought. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1336234138 522229 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336234571 400907 :atran!~atran@s83-177-138-113.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1336234604 80357 :atran!~atran@s83-177-138-113.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Client Quit < 1336235522 59732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I create a modifiable associative array in Javascript? is it {}, new Array. new {}, or something else? < 1336235673 778443 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one < 1336235685 90981 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's an object in JS parlance < 1336235702 861308 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Array shouldn't be used at all in most cases < 1336235706 852959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just wondering if I'd create a constant if I did that < 1336235722 431357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't remember much JavaScript… < 1336235722 588516 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :new {} isn't even valid syntax < 1336235733 99055 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS doesn't have constants really < 1336235751 210080 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, strings and numbers are immutable < 1336235760 824020 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are no immutable tuples or sequences < 1336235835 488001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1336236056 582323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336236385 533690 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1336236535 397397 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336237009 379114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1336237032 115054 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single DES doesn't sound like a good thing to use. < 1336237073 221195 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1336237132 486483 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1336237212 488623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336237216 216354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336237275 720294 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1336237478 210695 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-34.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336237953 405503 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm figuring out how to use reddit < 1336237956 267981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye free time < 1336238568 551432 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336239201 591183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm streaming df again < 1336239784 139537 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you guys think of Java? < 1336239793 982865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try not do. < 1336239795 46619 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to. < 1336239797 350883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used it < 1336239843 370747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I teach it < 1336239852 469833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not a good language to teach people as their first programming language < 1336239852 778303 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it, since I have only a limited amount of RAM on this old machine < 1336239862 617400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it can be quite RAM-hungry < 1336239878 860569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately all new machines come with infinite amounts of. < 1336239933 524876 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a newer machine too, although I always like software to be usable on both < 1336239995 421759 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first (and so far, only) language I got decent at is Haskell < 1336240013 87287 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah haskell < 1336240023 823797 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's because I think weird? < 1336240024 399786 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about looking into that further some time ago < 1336240051 903456 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I eventually just stayed with good old C++ < 1336240061 645134 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a main language) < 1336240086 952182 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn C < 1336240108 74602 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no C++? < 1336240124 11904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't quite appeal to me < 1336240128 593216 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336240130 67420 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1336240135 467573 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP? < 1336240144 736072 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1336240181 567470 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write C code, I'm usually annoyed by the unchecked type system < 1336240181 890860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is really incredibly far too complicated for its own good < 1336240195 933773 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ possibly :p < 1336240200 277868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just like XML and violence, the cure for dealing with C++ features tends to be more C++ features < 1336240212 705784 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ also possibly < 1336240226 571 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I still like the language < 1336240233 270561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like XML < 1336240239 855238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno why < 1336240280 959997 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you can't ignore that some of those features are really appealing < 1336240294 123637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: which are you a fan of? < 1336240299 629618 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates. < 1336240303 685235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because there's no equivalent for XSLT in S-expressions? < 1336240310 359669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: oh dear < 1336240313 986445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Lisp is one? < 1336240315 587773 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8994A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336240323 629476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Lisp has macros, which are saner than templates < 1336240329 692440 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds bad :( < 1336240337 675507 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros are usually bad < 1336240342 466052 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least in C++ < 1336240343 801993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: do you know what SFINAE means? < 1336240351 530149 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most web browsers don't run Lisp < 1336240357 337034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the word has a different meaning in Lisp to cp < 1336240358 818347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cpp < 1336240366 547258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean anything to cp :P < 1336240386 464127 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336240392 663024 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty big flaw. < 1336240415 717287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that C++ templates are so complicated that it's even /meaningful/ is a sign that something is wrong < 1336240433 403735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd probably have been better of with explicit arguments in the <>, that'd avoid three quarters of the issues with them < 1336240440 85276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that'd still leave quite a lot wrong < 1336240441 282904 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to learn a tiny language next so I can write my own compiler / interpreter. I though maybe Algol 60 or Oberon. < 1336240452 936751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ooh, go algol 60 < 1336240463 870914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I study mathematical idealizations of that, it's a really neat language < 1336240469 553799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not really been anything similar since < 1336240504 719881 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few books on Algol... Maybe after I finished the next version of Itsy Forth. < 1336240521 404678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, my C textbook was written pre-ANSI < 1336240550 538303 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teneb: mine too. But you should be able to pick one up for a few $ < 1336240573 961190 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: templates may have problems, but I think every language feature in every language has problems < 1336240597 825959 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language would you propose as an alternative? < 1336240604 32388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to C++? C < 1336240633 66699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it really depends on what you're using it for < 1336240634 961769 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really an alternative. < 1336240651 799734 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :since C doesn't even check types < 1336240661 840700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's typechecking is only marginally worse than C++'s < 1336240663 275587 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, it doesn't allow for user defined types < 1336240677 367154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes it does? typedef exists, as do struct, union, and enum < 1336240678 854175 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++'s type checking isn't that bad at all I think < 1336240688 675158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and C++ have /almost the same typechecking algorithm/ < 1336240690 823566 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but those do not allow member functions < 1336240695 71629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only difference is that C++ treats const differently < 1336240698 778447 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1336240699 892511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: are your member functions virtual? < 1336240711 169451 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If needed. < 1336240715 935467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you can replace them with non-member functions with no issues < 1336240732 669515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 15.9 + 2.8 < 1336240733 466723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18.7 < 1336240737 87554 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it takes away a notational convenience < 1336240750 82042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get a second-hand copy of K&R C for 18.70 < 1336240750 802889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, it takes away a lot /more/ inconveniences < 1336240764 53600 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1336240767 395800 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1336240780 299274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if you really need virtual functions, it's typically more straightforward to implement a vtable by hand than it is to use C++, which is a pretty crazy state of affairs < 1336240782 725672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 22.53 + 2.8 < 1336240783 484769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25.330000000000002 < 1336240789 504284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1336240804 331245 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I have even a hundredths of your experience but I did find C++ quite nice so far < 1336240804 447588 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Factor fans here? < 1336240805 175295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: floating point rounding error, I guess < 1336240821 62020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's how much a new copy costs from amazon < 1336240826 775229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't know that much about it < 1336240881 356432 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems most of this channel is in either #0x10c-dev or #haskell or both < 1336240893 746116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in either < 1336240899 872469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haven't heard of #0x10c-dev < 1336240911 80830 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1336240928 148220 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not a frequent freenode visitor < 1336240930 115689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… 0x10c is 256+12 is 268 < 1336240941 932926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see an obvious meaning to the number < 1336240958 713498 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://0x10c.com/ < 1336240967 413748 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The year 268 would have been a leap year :p < 1336241005 529250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a notchgame < 1336241070 89545 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 10^c < 1336241087 772543 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^c what would that be? < 1336241093 651745 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 ^ speed of light ? < 1336241122 409494 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 0x10^0xc < 1336241135 245436 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336241144 516199 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 ^ 13 ? < 1336241158 12821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16^12 < 1336241175 567274 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Notch's (the maker of Minecraft) next game < 1336241186 497799 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I realized that < 1336241187 179995 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336241192 41738 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with the name? < 1336241209 589115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably he's started using bizarre names ever since Bethesda threatened to sue him < 1336241212 730383 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the "backstory and setting" < 1336241298 541183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I think I'm taking a trope too literally < 1336241304 926998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wearing a flag on my head < 1336241314 188219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Notch offered to settle the lawsuit with a match of Quake III < 1336241316 6311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bbq time, see you guys later! < 1336241317 253293 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-105.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336241342 358187 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 9.46 http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Programming-Language-ansi-Version/dp/8120305965/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1336241084&sr=8-4 < 1336241352 51525 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh too late... < 1336241409 357179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: is that K&R2? < 1336241426 889027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's still in print < 1336241431 128723 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Answering a question not asked to me; yes < 1336241433 103182 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1336241547 892838 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You said you teach Java? I'm interested, what else do you teach? < 1336241556 241456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: OCaml < 1336241563 505466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to teach C, but I got out of that < 1336241574 212884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that module was a mess, and I couldn't do anything about it < 1336241575 485678 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of that, it's a functional language based on ML right? < 1336241580 770058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was trying to fit far too much into the syllabus < 1336241599 977534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: ML is a functional+imperative language; Caml is a dialect, OCaml adds objects to it but people rarely use them < 1336241615 253812 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, yes, I thought that < 1336241620 153334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that OCaml is probably the best-supported ML dialect around at the moment, so people use OCaml when they just want a generic ML < 1336241627 774642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much to the annoyance of SML fans) < 1336241633 947429 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it in 'an introduction to lambda calculus'(one of the many) I guess < 1336241659 358101 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was 2 days ago, in fact < 1336241680 229082 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where do you teach? < 1336241684 454850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham University < 1336241692 863903 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1336241794 642715 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the students learn Java as a first language? < 1336241795 724142 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1336241795 981141 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By functional+imperative do you just mean impure functional < 1336241816 274797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I mean that the language contains first-class imperative constructs < 1336241822 841565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifs, whiles, assignable variables, that sort of thing < 1336241830 336781 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright < 1336241832 810995 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live very near the university of Leuven and here all students start with Java < 1336241845 219115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: they do, although it's not really a good choice for a first language < 1336241869 125333 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language would you say is good to start out with? < 1336241882 246766 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why would it be not a good language to start out with? < 1336241892 324423 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started out with PHP I think. < 1336241906 167001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336241932 912702 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not really general-purpose, and I think it might be better to start out with a general-purpose language(?) < 1336241963 189122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336241994 779692 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first language was BASIC :-( < 1336242001 661794 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1336242012 7736 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me think of Edsger Dijkstra < 1336242014 183975 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336242064 357311 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to insult you, but he once said that "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." < 1336242096 776525 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dijkstra was wrong :-P < 1336242121 88930 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this your site? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net :-) < 1336242129 334530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree Dijkstra was wrong. Possibly with some students it will be difficult not everyone though < 1336242132 698665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Yes < 1336242181 357534 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD04xx/EWD498.html < 1336242189 417909 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be in there. < 1336242232 312834 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Google sent me to FORTAVM :-) < 1336242270 944246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Google sents you to everywhere < 1336242348 224025 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336242409 533789 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not quite everywhere. I see this a couple of times a day "In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page" :-( < 1336242452 459490 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1336242456 837040 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen that before. < 1336242506 795176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should also not send you to my webpage because I have blocked that from any search engine < 1336242511 23116 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/~English < 1336242511 205848 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my first esoteric programming language. Is it bad/alright/whatever? < 1336242589 274081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1336242921 766732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I don't know. < 1336242977 613355 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one more language related question < 1336242983 710562 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you guys think of Perl? < 1336243011 694844 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I like it on one side, but I dislike the scalar type < 1336243022 832679 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the constructors < 1336243073 364574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about Perl programming, but I do know AWK < 1336243444 593107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I like it quite a bit < 1336243447 396835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl, that is < 1336243464 417755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not appropriate for everything, but it's the language I normally use for writing a one-off program, or for writing glue code (whether one-off or not) < 1336243796 186182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said the Canadian government would be stop making pennies. Is it correct? And, does United States government doing the same thing? If it is correct, can the stores accept United States coins (many already do) so that you can pay for one cents as well? < 1336243940 889784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336244027 710580 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is correct; the last penny was minted yesterday. < 1336244041 40552 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US has no plans at the point that I'm aware of. < 1336244052 751505 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that stores will accept US pennies, likely < 1336244114 900076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how does this affect taxes? < 1336244186 670388 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taxes aren't paid in cash < 1336244221 822271 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, surely taxes CAN be paid in cash. < 1336244338 475613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this chess variant? Except for the White player's first turn, each player may, twice per game, move a piece with duplication meaning a copy is left at its original location. You may not duplicate queens and kings (although pawns can be duplicated). Also, pawns can use such a move while capturing or non-capturing; other pieces can use duplication only for non-capturing. < 1336244385 639679 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've never heard of anyone paying taxes in cash rather by cheque or other means < 1336244405 131120 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.182.239 PART :#esoteric < 1336244428 829797 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't mean that it's ever done, but all sorts of theories of economics break down if cash can't even be used to pay the institution that defines its value ... < 1336244510 562982 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No they really don't < 1336244557 393228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you can definitely clear bills in the UK using cash, there are designated places you can go to with some cash and some bills you want to pay, and they will take the cash from you and electronically send the same amount of money to the person the bill is from < 1336244571 319272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works with compatible bills, but there are quite a lot of those < 1336244613 295016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's done in supermarkets, to make sure they're sufficiently commonplace < 1336244637 64479 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: money is artificial; physical cash too < 1336244734 994787 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No shit. Not relevant. < 1336244753 89783 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes it is < 1336244777 150363 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cash can be used to pay, just not directly < 1336244795 614028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The government should not be forced to rely on other institutions to accept payment. < 1336244829 859029 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, the government should not force YOU to rely on other institutions to give payment. < 1336244892 468755 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1336244928 781961 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your argument is both powerful and convincing X_X < 1336245022 737930 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is stupid to make a system that relies exclusively on the transfer of physical objects with deemed value, when there is nothing in particular that is special about those objects versus any other forms of payment < 1336245073 172627 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical cash is not the underpinning of the economy < 1336245080 964727 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: There is nothing special in general fare, but there is something special for the government: THEY MINT IT. < 1336245101 651929 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1336245169 377402 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical cash is a convenience < 1336245170 269882 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing more < 1336245204 191889 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical cash is a convenience which also happens to be the only form of money directly attributed value by the government trying to accept funds X_X < 1336245242 523113 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1336245285 731076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This conversation. It is so pointless. I don't even give a fuck anymore. < 1336245292 402392 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :laws about bills of exchange exist < 1336245294 168529 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical cash is only a token of value < 1336245297 722422 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336245310 786451 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cheque is a negotiable instrument the same as cash < 1336245334 208339 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336245399 106533 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its value defined by reference to cash, but there is no reason that cash needs to exist. If the government made a law saying "the new currency is the entirely digital zordnik. We are going to regulate the supply of zordniks like we did paper money." things would work fine. < 1336245508 799863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea for "digital cheques": You put the cheque number, sequence number, date, amount, and type of currency, and then digitally sign it with your private key. It may be further encrypted with the recipient's public key and/or the bank's key (to ensure not NSF cheque). And then you print it out and give it to the recipient the same as an ordinary cheque. < 1336245509 985175 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THEY DIDN'T FUCKING DO THAT < 1336245538 616042 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A check is an instrument the same as cash negotiated WITH BANKS. The banks are regulated but they are not the government. < 1336245544 555310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh why am I still talking < 1336245554 63143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need elliott's "just huff out" ability. < 1336245557 31977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sequence number is there to ensure that it is not copied) < 1336245826 749336 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The banks are institutions granted charter by the government. Like, say, the mint. < 1336246066 364211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some question in here before relating to mathematics; I would wonder, does somme people in here, know any of these answers? < 1336246122 752200 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1336246129 371894 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you reask them or point to them in the logs < 1336246134 870674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1336246176 890553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One question is, I know that a category equipped with a faithful functor to category of sets is called concrete category. But what is a category which is equipped with a fully faithful functor to the free category of a subset of its quiver? < 1336246300 685411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have other question too, in case you want them repeated at this time, too. < 1336246510 52226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a dioid which is also a dioid if addition is swapped with multiplication and zero is swapped with one; and what (if anything) does this have to do with topology? < 1336246685 993163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, this closure isn't closing properly < 1336246718 730965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries putting it in an anonymous scope < 1336246731 617698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What closure do you mean? < 1336246745 188457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an anonymous function in JavaScript < 1336246796 239194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you even know answer of these question relating to mathematics? < 1336246871 403806 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-188.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336247630 365349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pastebin some code. < 1336247681 125164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm going to get around it by using eval, I think, which is really hacky < 1336247706 463024 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, yeah, don't do that X-D < 1336247716 158775 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post some code or describe your problem or something X-D < 1336247758 611087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I do { var fc = f; var gc = g; obj.onchange = function() { myfunc(fc, gc); } } < 1336247784 61598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a loop < 1336247796 253078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when myfunc's called, it's always with the values of f and g on the last iteration of the loop < 1336247818 991966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(function(fc, gc) { return function() { ... }; })(f, g) < 1336247819 815110 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1336247823 395849 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how closure works. < 1336247831 136355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bizarre < 1336247836 738963 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336247839 567969 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1336247840 808819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it bizarre? < 1336247843 527675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... is not bizarre. At all. < 1336247848 68288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an imperative language with closures. < 1336247848 529887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wouldn't that just call the function immediately? < 1336247850 215603 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how closure works in any language I've used < 1336247852 671348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome jfischoff < 1336247857 593406 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does. < 1336247861 863440 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfischoff: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1336247863 796798 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what that achieves is that it rebinds the variables < 1336247864 183026 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That calls the OUTER function immediately, the outer function returns an inner function which closes as you expect. < 1336247870 253644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, you need a scope that happens to belong to a function to close, rather than just any function < 1336247870 397211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It make sense to me. < 1336247871 990916 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creates a new environment with their current values < 1336247874 78795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird restriction < 1336247883 973603 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336247885 170501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Perl, any lexical scope will do < 1336247885 741652 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: JavaScript only HAS function-level scopes. < 1336247888 610322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it weird? It is sensible to me. < 1336247896 597035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ah, OK, that's what I was missing < 1336247899 401223 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually newer versions of JS have block scope < 1336247904 303540 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use "let" instead of "var" < 1336247906 431852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In Mozilla, you can use let to add other scopes too < 1336247914 152189 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. < 1336247923 854437 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fine fine, in ECMAScript you only have function-level scopes. < 1336247954 896191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla also supports yield, and also allows changing prototypes, which I have occasionally found to be useful. < 1336247972 841713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you are writing the program to run in Mozilla, then you can use these features. < 1336248048 368131 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Gregor < 1336248059 277222 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336248102 359332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfischoff: You're lucky, we're actually talking about a language, albeit a nonesoteric one. Usually we talk about stupid nonsense and play with the bots. < 1336248131 928205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a large number of other stuff. < 1336248140 896491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but you're not actually new, I just hadn't seen you X-D < 1336248141 688066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1336248146 275057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are rarely on the topic but feel free to ask anyways. < 1336248167 897120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an advice that you should tell to everyone entering this channel. < 1336248204 303945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should add it to `welcome ^^ < 1336248214 319766 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to a channel where we talk about random shit, enjoy! < 1336248251 467288 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What is surprising about javascript is the variance of the user's skill level < 1336248260 878294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, indeed. < 1336248278 43467 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people think it is a bad language < 1336248281 154756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From "obviously eval is the only way to solve this what are arrays?" to "I use JavaScript because I have years of experience with Scheme" < 1336248287 258363 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it is an okay language < 1336248306 47692 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: totally < 1336248349 88143 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://osteele.com/sources/javascript/functional/ < 1336248370 41503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's an OK language, but I also know I'm not very good at it < 1336248375 849611 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't think the variance is surprising at all < 1336248383 194585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd almost understood it right, just missed the nonexistence of inner scopes < 1336248383 512317 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it has /some/ good users < 1336248385 952699 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike, say, PHP) < 1336248411 608760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, JavaScript is better than PHP < 1336248427 997145 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: way better, IMHO < 1336248442 206665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336248597 753706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, FurryScript and Icoruma are implemented in PHP. Unfortunately, Icoruma is too slow with PHP. But at least I do better that Internet Quiz Engine is implemented in C (you might disagree and say there are security issues; but look at the program and then make a better opinion/analysis). < 1336248740 734039 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-112-138.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336248807 628482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, the main menu of Internet Quiz Engine (selectors starting "quiz.menu") is implemented in PHP, but when a quiz file is running (selectors starting "quiz.run"), that part is written in C.) < 1336248817 862498 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I do not < 1336248834 398686 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the first seems irrelevant < 1336248841 559325 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second far too vague < 1336248908 312728 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-230-188.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336248924 752302 :ion!ion@GYMYCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336248932 230161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You are refering to my questions about mathematics? What makes the first one irrelevant? And what is wrong with the second one? < 1336248990 353776 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is nomenclature for a property that does not seem particularly relevant, and "what does X have to do with Y" is, as a rule, always too vague < 1336249165 52681 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-112-138.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336249519 146313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you have any opinion about my Haskell "prelude-generalize"? < 1336249614 981901 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. < 1336249724 625969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It affects the type of many standard functions, as well as implement a few new classes, and import common things from many other modules. Such as: head :: Foldable t => t x -> x; tail :: MonadLogic m => m x -> m x; (!!) :: (Copeanoid i, Foldable t) => t x -> i -> x; filter :: MonadPlus m => (x -> Bool) -> m x -> m x; choice :: (Foldable t, Alternative f) => t (f x) -> f x; concat :: (MonadPlus m, Foldable f) => m (f x) -> m x; < 1336249833 24043 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-32-248.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336249888 648786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, you will write "head" instead of "fromJust", and "null" instead of "isNothing", and "convList" instead of "listToMaybe" or "maybeToList". < 1336249976 570479 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13370B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336250354 845440 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1336250363 139323 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hzo38 < 1336250437 499772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hello. Do you like 83 cent coins? < 1336250453 939320 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-115.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336250461 887491 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've never seen one. < 1336250467 627120 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you named after them? < 1336250476 368380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1336250507 222804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read an article somewhere that wants the Canadian government to make 83 cent coins. < 1336250521 702326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What are you named after? < 1336250569 919753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Actually, some random letters and number that a long time ago I was making a design on a pollowcase and ask them I wanted to put numbers, but the only numbers they had is 3 and 8. < 1336250592 142310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some people do not believe this; but actually this is true.) < 1336250610 457030 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you see monqy's self-portrait of me? < 1336250619 720768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. I have not seen. < 1336250627 704408 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty great. < 1336250630 989079 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I lost the link. < 1336250772 968097 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png < 1336250831 462118 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thonqy < 1336250833 841174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1336250849 110619 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you ever draw any more self portraits < 1336250871 327249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drew one of elliott and one of myself < 1336250876 795108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1336250880 695972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of nihilistdandy < 1336250880 829354 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have one < 1336250883 176603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks some kind of strange < 1336250885 303453 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1336250886 664519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAW ME DRAW ME < 1336250933 9426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit busy so it'll have to wait but < 1336250938 157879 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempt: http://codu.org/hats/random.php?sm < 1336250939 251510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe eventually I'll do it" < 1336250965 752920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: IMPRESSIVE < 1336250980 257085 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i see the one ofe nihilistdandy < 1336250987 832121 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im good arte < 1336250995 650176 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see the one of elliott < 1336251003 99012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/dondy.png < 1336251006 715829 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png < 1336251091 259738 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-115.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1336251119 155528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ask for monqy"s self self portraite < 1336251125 128246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/monqy.png < 1336251146 937337 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: never minde, monqy read your minde < 1336251166 934441 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all those eyes < 1336251218 602712 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: could you draw a self self portrait of me? or is that too many selves < 1336251249 370626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1336251253 822751 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude he linked to one like 5 minutes ago < 1336251261 395860 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just a self portrait of shachaf < 1336251269 765324 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336251271 459167 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn eyes < 1336251276 720837 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever drawn a self self portrait of myself < 1336251298 539527 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words a self self self portrait < 1336251331 181452 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's of myself, it's every self potrait < 1336251339 692918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a self self self self self portrait < 1336251346 897582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self self self self self self portrait < 1336251366 868354 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually you'll get tired of putting self in front so you may wish to stop while you're ahead < 1336251380 728783 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336251383 407944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinkinge < 1336251480 365263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1336251489 966789 :ion!ion@GYMYCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "self " ++ "portrait" < 1336251491 483160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self... < 1336251507 552709 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sad faite < 1336251508 256504 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let self = fun "self" :: Expr -> Expr < 1336251509 232874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1336251513 325268 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix self < 1336251514 798230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : self (self (self (self (self (self (self (self (self (self (self (self (sel... < 1336252215 628457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Declaration = Declaration Name [Token] Token deriving (Eq, Show); data Token = T_Name Name | T_Para Int | T_Num Int | T_String PoolString | T_List [Token] | T_Call Name [Token] | T_Enum TreeName | T_Lambda [Int] [Token] deriving (Eq, Show); Now I have [Declaration] what is best way to make the index of the blocks of different kind to be accessed easily? (The first Name of Declaration indicates the kind, not the name, of the block.) < 1336252286 572156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Name, PoolString, and TreeName are all type synonyms for Word32) < 1336253237 473860 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1336253317 513521 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336253722 839252 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13370B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1336254790 301611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-21.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336254964 612433 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-209.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336255150 73868 :ion!ion@GYMYCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/weak-evidence-seizure < 1336255581 586183 :ion!ion@GYMYCXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/ < 1336256530 226918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1336256585 693846 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-17.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336256880 345708 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8994A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336257105 915395 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336257568 308327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full moon tonight. < 1336257710 171545 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336257839 313302 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336257843 857739 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. Freenode SASL script for irssi requires Crypt::OpenSSL::Bignum which of couse refuses to build correctly on my system < 1336257855 370478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tomorrow, i think < 1336257974 829549 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have confirmed that freenode intentionaly blocked my ISP fron using non-SASL connection < 1336257979 137060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In my timezone it is today. < 1336258011 972598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sometime between dusk here and dawn here :) < 1336258061 969662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GMT it is (Sun) 5/ 6/2012 3:35 Sun (Tau) Opp (Sco) Moon < 1336258098 111327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my timezone it is at 20:35 today < 1336258106 467533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336258115 966701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be 22:35 here < 1336258117 894137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336258121 620023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my app is wrong then < 1336258129 70172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1336258139 767506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your app is wrong? What app is that? Maybe you misconfigured it? < 1336258147 396298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing < 1336258174 469858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is called Luna < 1336258177 484937 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1336258178 489158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for nortti is Sun May 06 01:52:05 UTC+3.00 2012 < 1336258178 932974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has one setting < 1336258191 629408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(northern or southern hemisphere) < 1336258243 259941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then get a better program, such as the UNIX "phase of moon" program, or Astrolog. < 1336258279 440109 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/8/9/127789.jpg?v=1 < 1336258317 91570 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, please stop pasting today's Cracked articles into the channel. < 1336258346 373416 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: okay < 1336258347 150967 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you will be shipped off to Guantanamo under UK anti-free speech legislation. < 1336258386 546103 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: But I happen to live in finland < 1336258404 922723 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll invade you because we're so jealous of your free utopia. < 1336258834 636500 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: by the way os there anything new going on in Airstrip One? < 1336258841 194616 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1336258865 854345 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well we considered passing a motion to outlaw happiness for young, liberal 20somethings. < 1336259185 919404 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was during this age that most of the Finnish culture formed, like the Sauna, the Finnish cottage (mokki), hunting (metsastys) and drinking themselves to death due to depression(perjantai-ilta)." < 1336259438 897760 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're going to take a trip, way, way back to the prehistoric times of April 18, 2011: The day Apple claimed ownership of the rectangle." < 1336259475 507141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask what, but really I don't want to know < 1336259476 41977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1336259477 285035 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hi < 1336259492 756667 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: forgive me etc etc etc < 1336259504 741451 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1336259568 399959 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which one you don't want to know about < 1336259580 66096 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1336259772 480370 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: first one: perjantai-ilta means friday evening < 1336259823 381589 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey wow Minecraft finally eliminated seperate single-player. < 1336260367 803159 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-153-44.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336260378 835723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1336260388 420112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: forgive monqy etc etc etc < 1336260530 733232 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-17.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336260570 471294 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cnet.com/news/57428067 < 1336260704 250207 :cheater__!~cheater@g229021225.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: full moon was yesterday already < 1336260749 586160 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-71-202-146-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1336261055 81326 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-153-44.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336261980 855914 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336262230 662168 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed single DES is not a good thing to use < 1336262277 566472 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like these people will sell you a device which brute forces DES in a day for $10,000: http://www.sciengines.com/ < 1336262369 619552 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many other ways to screw up crypto; if brute force is a realistic attack for your system that's really pathetic