< 1336780845 74558 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336781002 245356 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336782158 60699 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1336782189 722929 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336782221 228202 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336782869 193728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Portal 2 single player. < 1336782871 477637 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Amazing. < 1336782892 289403 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Multi-player is pretty great too, but everybody fawned over multi-player, and I didn't see too many people praising the single-player game) < 1336784395 280084 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336784397 261026 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336784602 858093 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336785032 263342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only ever played multi < 1336785035 411074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1336785540 385480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand E Card now? < 1336785705 844928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you play Portal? < 1336785751 94901 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1336785767 887084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal was brilliant, but somewhat lacking in plot (which was fine, since the gameplay was fantastic). < 1336785788 505030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal 2 not only improved the gameplay, but had a plot that was spectacular, detailed, and very involving. < 1336785812 87445 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's to say nothing of coöp mode, which I'm still playing with a friend. < 1336785823 867524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does co-op work across PC/XBox? < 1336785835 234348 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it does but want to double-check quickly < 1336785838 29257 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno, my friend and I both have it on Steam (PC) < 1336786073 73482 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you enjoy the part where he kills you? < 1336786130 482546 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OMG DON'T SPOIL IT FOR THE REST < 1336786191 55323 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca TOPIC #esoteric :spoilers | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1336786223 627309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, you should definitely play the single-player game. < 1336786238 148999 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i NEVER HAVE THE TIME < 1336786238 833530 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Even if /just/ for the plot, although the puzzles are (naturally) great too. < 1336786261 32419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was either unnecessarily angry or mis-caplocked X-D < 1336786295 385341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336786297 521858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it eas < 1336786302 839490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTIRELY NECESSARILY ANGRY < 1336786316 704641 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1336786318 447594 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1336786320 20371 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 24 < 1336786325 771288 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336786355 727131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose 24.5 < 1336786363 703989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie 24.25 < 1336786597 159755 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336787336 336349 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336787503 692788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathfinder _ g h | g == h = return h; pathfinder s g h = WriterT ((\x -> (x, [x])) <$> (s !! h)) >>= pathfinder s g; < 1336787919 810316 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cephalic ganglion": best name for the brain? < 1336787959 772369 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv < 1336788070 14746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to invent WizardCard and I wrote some of the codes already < 1336788564 162068 :iconmaster_!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336788734 866395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336788754 65132 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336788765 211637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336788959 175395 :iconmaster_!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336789106 160710 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336789185 130291 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336789362 941082 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336791247 163201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Continuity < 1336791251 794615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://continuitygame.com/playcontinuity.html < 1336791592 8104 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can the brain even be classified as a ganglion? < 1336791647 639052 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1336791656 846109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rules of Magic: the Gathering cards do you dislike? < 1336791854 903528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dislike the rule where it has magic. < 1336791863 39778 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shun magic, and shun the appearance of magic! < 1336791867 850282 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shun everything, and then shun shunning! < 1336791869 401870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: As far as I know it has no such rule. < 1336791876 575276 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1336791880 82659 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rules does it have, then? < 1336791892 954281 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a rules where it has gathering? E.g. of the card < 1336791893 989402 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1336792125 470512 :tilsoun!4c4cec43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.76.236.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336792322 152718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look good to me and I hope I did it correctly: expandPat t = option t (get >>= lift . map (first $ checkPatternMatch [t]) . getBlocks (transEnum KW_macro) >>== \(x, y) -> head . M.foldrWithKey substitute [y] <$> x); < 1336792369 468012 :tilsoun!4c4cec43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.76.236.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a minimal language that operates on a tape (i.e., jumping to an arbitrary address is assumed to be expensive)? < 1336792407 509700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilsoun: Do you mean the program or the data? < 1336792413 592980 :tilsoun!4c4cec43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.76.236.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1336792475 918183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of one that has both. Perhaps invent one on esolang wiki, or put it in the list of ideas. < 1336792761 668187 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336793218 132397 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@66.155.231.162 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336793414 829337 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A+++++++ would play another 1000 levels < 1336794454 753356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to think of how to represent some things in WizardCard and other thing about implementation too < 1336794558 33484 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336794606 139565 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336795670 840650 :tilsoun!4c4cec43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.76.236.67 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1336795936 56166 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336796208 27869 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336796208 85468 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336796208 85598 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336796390 418558 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336796889 614127 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336796944 293624 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336798741 335547 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-169.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336798945 497814 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-119-76.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336799888 682395 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336800497 87676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost done with continuity < 1336801532 704206 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336802278 118656 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336802327 723836 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336804746 990192 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336805683 804437 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336807338 554561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336807344 968469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336807556 138632 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336807813 196187 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1336807861 778135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dSNAkNdvmg < 1336808365 19232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336809329 451328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Phantom_Hoover < 1336809342 31542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's Taneb! < 1336809342 171487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336809390 847188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night < 1336809396 643310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i left my laptop in the bath < 1336809565 4505 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336809692 126298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336810575 330551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, have you heard the blasphemy? < 1336810585 387343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no what < 1336810678 474752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dSNAkNdvmg < 1336810685 946841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ that blashphemy < 1336810715 394571 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sho blashphemic it turnsh me into Shean Connery < 1336810724 256887 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1336810736 835055 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336811083 195787 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dream < 1336811102 785489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17369 < 1336811265 451351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-06-23.txt:08:24:55: Heh, last night me and a friend decided to walk 40 km... started at midnight... by the end of the trip I was actually having short dreams while walking :DD < 1336811513 696153 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I presume that elliott was not pleased. < 1336811518 99279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336811600 859333 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336811951 10007 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336812351 7403 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336812447 129770 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The China Export symbol looks similar completely by accident, i’m sure. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/CE_marks.jpg < 1336812450 596884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: That seems to be a safe assumption in any and all circumstances. < 1336812807 53664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336812849 765033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336812964 504130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hai < 1336813113 729832 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336813271 192617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336813793 630587 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336813798 184993 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336814820 639553 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336815256 676967 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336815449 356957 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1336815456 758474 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336816164 28355 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336816208 170361 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336816821 570338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Yes, the brain is in fact a ganglion. Just with a lot of natural selection applied to it. < 1336817238 255722 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336817425 504354 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336817463 318480 :atran!~atran@s83-177-138-113.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1336817953 687407 :atran!~atran@s83-177-138-113.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336818153 603499 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CF41.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336819128 469286 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i am about this upset with your recent movie suggestion: this upset: http://inside-logger.com/img/upset_kid.jpg < 1336819808 278059 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-147-169.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336819903 162672 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-118.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336819976 610260 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336820100 591386 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-184.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336820295 183865 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-134-249.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1336820485 809767 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-134-249.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz QUIT :Client Quit < 1336820515 758578 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.us/28319 < 1336821141 940641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1336821245 819532 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1336821441 317848 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you finished continuity? < 1336821452 863314 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on the last level, but haven't given it a real effort yet < 1336821656 899991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_, haven't gotten there yet < 1336821854 609652 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336821873 42857 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the web version btw < 1336821878 298689 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing the ipad version already? < 1336821883 302935 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web version was fairly simple < 1336822121 351108 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336822409 825797 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw shit. I lost all of my work on c2bf. < 1336822470 397667 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my own pkgmgr seems to be missing from backups < 1336823926 504907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336823953 570361 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336824019 503468 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ok the last level is fairly tough < 1336824360 45012 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1336824469 464799 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc upset < 1336824469 591524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336825548 894943 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know can I make my libc for c2bf available under wtfpl if I include it in c2bf which is under GPL? < 1336825619 601610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1336825840 252904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a mind-map software? < 1336825867 788164 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336825897 174231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336826828 369091 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, double licence ? < 1336826850 967605 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL is more restrictive than WTFPL < 1336826952 839761 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: I am trying to make c2bf usable so I am adding libc but I'd like to keep it under WTFPL < 1336827273 417239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C2BF is a C compiler. It does not impose a license on the code it compiles, just like any other C compiler. < 1336827279 174129 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is under GPL, for example. < 1336827335 452234 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am including my libc in my fork of c2bf < 1336827363 937030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? My distro includes both GCC and glibc. < 1336827385 445171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or eglibc, as it were) < 1336827457 279286 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so I can make my c2bf fork contain both GPL and WTFPL licensed code? < 1336827575 761565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) Of course, B) yes, even if they actually linked together (although then the aggregate /binary/ would have to be released under GPL, which has implications on the source), C) since they DON'T link together, there isn't even an argument, the two licenses have absolutely no bearing on each other. You could have something GPL-incompatible and it would still make no difference. < 1336829345 503495 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336829462 388398 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336829553 225988 :Nessler!~noobjoe@unaffiliated/noobjoe JOIN :#esoteric < 1336829622 76782 :Nessler!~noobjoe@unaffiliated/noobjoe PART :#esoteric < 1336831004 700459 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.elisanet.fi/~g623951/c2bf-j-0.01.patch < 1336831551 376616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336832845 503565 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336832919 155217 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336833986 238739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ping < 1336833989 834420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong < 1336834026 657336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What case is the WINDOWS directory in recent Windowses. < 1336834028 851553 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gives me a stupid idea < 1336834032 210920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. C:\windows, C:\Windows or C:\WINDOWS < 1336834035 276258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows < 1336834040 920588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1336834044 282704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server table tennis < 1336834067 617304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configure servers to append a ping message to all pong messages to a particular server < 1336834106 988687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First server to drop it, the other one gets a point < 1336834634 275928 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I would recommend you properly fork, and link your fork from the esolangs page. < 1336834676 865365 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok < 1336834916 1069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Be careful. < 1336834925 359335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc specifically has an exception to GPL to avoid infecting code it compiles, IIRC. < 1336835154 362397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gcc has library code it links into the output binary? < 1336835154 600442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336835165 253967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1336835165 418282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_ said 2h 58m 14s ago: upset < 1336835742 505509 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: :( < 1336836129 153950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcc specifically has an exception to GPL to avoid infecting code it compiles, IIRC. // yeah, that's for libgcc < 1336836162 302370 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336836168 515305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear where the line is drawn though < 1336836189 602078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could just relicense C2BF as not-GPL :P < 1336836221 633351 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336836232 637822 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1336836244 371016 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgcc? < 1336836262 186555 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336836269 641451 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. never mind < 1336836323 115915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgcc is a library gcc links into the binaries it produces < 1336836361 297450 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I hereby license all of my code in C2BF under ISC. Feel free to change the headers at your leisure. I think I used a published Yacc grammar for C in there somewhere, so be wary of its license if it's under any. < 1336836381 706117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ISC is this license: http://opensource.org/licenses/ISC ) < 1336836559 667789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, has nobody else contributed to C2BF? < 1336836561 817597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, perhaps? < 1336836569 850187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims to make your life difficult. < 1336836575 105074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, nortti's. < 1336836600 733819 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: isn't ISC basically WTFPL with warranty clause? < 1336836638 475766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more legally airtight wording... < 1336836648 188708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that's not true. < 1336836656 866042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISC requires reproduction of the license/copyright notice. < 1336836672 462456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISC is basically BSD2/MIT. < 1336836724 940684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gedcom standard is so dense < 1336836745 499082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you have commit history to c2bf? < 1336836832 160169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://esolangs.org/wiki/C2BF. < 1336836936 82201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about it? < 1336836949 409921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It has a link to the SVN repository right there... < 1336836979 673747 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and...? < 1336836990 982483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ...SVN repositories give you the entire commit history? < 1336837510 449194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E\/TREME E\/PLOSIONS < 1336837510 626027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /\ /\ < 1336837516 351407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explosions. Bexplosions. < 1336837521 963013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Texplosions. Sexplosions. Wait. < 1336837781 435534 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: do you have commit history to c2bf? // there are tools to get the commit history out of a svn repo. The name "svnsync" comes to mind. < 1336837813 324266 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn :/ < 1336837822 775105 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a texplosion something like < 1336837825 532794 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\kaboom < 1336837826 712274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: git-svn works well for that. < 1336837841 91666 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\explosion{bang} < 1336837857 23590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Yes. < 1336838030 730375 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it seems GCC 4.4 is the culprit in my fstack-protector slowdown < 1336838038 686569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :redid the benchmarks with 4.6 and it's more what i expected < 1336838141 986998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :SPOILER ALERT: He dies in the end | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1336838220 410370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, die in the end. < 1336838239 142046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what makes the story so relatable. < 1336838357 758978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336838464 80561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is THE ALAN DIPERT doing on /r/programming? < 1336838523 80891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336838647 31382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336838694 870472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336838737 481841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336839077 100742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it dwarf fortress time? < 1336839086 797057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Is it Dwarf Fortress time? < 1336839159 673216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a time such that, if I stream myself playing Dwarf Fortress, you will watch? < 1336839167 32861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1336839253 387200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1336839305 786106 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1336839308 406007 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have u seen my url? < 1336839313 104721 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336839316 567434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336839363 661660 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: i am about this upset with your recent movie suggestion: this upset: http://inside-logger.com/img/upset_kid.jpg < 1336839418 240863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1336839428 563179 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336839455 613167 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everybody < 1336839459 596820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336839474 534730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You realise you're not termcasting, right? < 1336839480 765244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not! < 1336839483 693946 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1336839500 671563 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, you should know < 1336839512 943630 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, elliot < 1336839524 910237 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when making a steak with "steak pepper" (a mixture of salt, pepper, paprika, mustard seeds, etc) < 1336839539 401932 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i put this spice mix on the steak before putting it in the frying pan? < 1336839542 196664 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or after it's ready? < 1336839551 308834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336839598 747015 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about now? < 1336839616 211473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i'd put it on before, and maybe rub it in a bit < 1336839628 584247 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk < 1336839701 635040 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did < 1336839708 967178 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see in a couple of minutes if it worked < 1336839743 446805 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I may have got my ratry login wrong? < 1336839755 276067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Just pick a new username. < 1336839756 999659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what I do. < 1336839768 610376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (This is why you store the ratry_login stuff in a file.) < 1336839825 767954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, got corrupted < 1336839833 366450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1336839844 339868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the mess I had over the past two days < 1336839893 312859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1336840110 289191 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm not upset anymore though < 1336840129 179830 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this morning when i woke up dreaming someone electrocuted me and the flesh was falling off my legs < 1336840142 141155 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok though < 1336840146 274047 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1336840170 944022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now! < 1336840184 603476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should play Adventurer. < 1336840186 623363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... "fun". < 1336840345 700339 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-251-23.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336840359 94789 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336840443 504614 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the words "seared clump, bloody cold inside" describe this steak quite well < 1336840447 504861 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can still save it < 1336840510 257604 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336840520 507084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336840564 588149 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions for fortress names? < 1336840660 378181 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgc < 1336840691 201389 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336840695 245732 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing came out quite good actually < 1336840732 324307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Fortressfortress. < 1336840734 838008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarffortres. < 1336840736 573983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ss < 1336840755 585152 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DwarfDwarfFortressFortressFactoryFactory < 1336840762 155687 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortress of Solidity (not really... this is like a nightmarish name) < 1336840803 328181 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :frigidity, then? < 1336840810 754560 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ~ity < 1336840880 265443 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frigid Fortress < 1336840921 688120 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is bull's eye hickory smoke bbq squce a known brand in the us? < 1336840928 263543 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336840953 73503 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336840953 109810 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336840953 127842 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336841019 566022 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131494.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336841112 153172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: If I recall, Bull's Eye is one of those brands you can find in every grocery store. It's probably a subsidiary of Kraft or something. < 1336841169 506286 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes http://www.kraftbrands.com/bullseyebbq/ < 1336841190 153065 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus20 < 1336841611 354362 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131494.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1336841634 972947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oops, I forgot to raise the uxterm window. < 1336841640 871596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the last, like, half an hour. < 1336841657 944980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing interesting happened < 1336841918 633380 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of fortress craft when i made my suggestions.. because, just because < 1336841945 382712 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent ever owned a ~craft though < 1336841996 357997 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft for PC and XBox 360 + Fortress Craft here < 1336842882 86387 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336843068 454187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336843208 213117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-57.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336843217 14200 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336843235 646148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336843333 591776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what happened there... < 1336843526 76152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did df crash or something < 1336843686 207054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost internet and df crashed < 1336843688 637119 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT THE SAME TIME < 1336843742 966853 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CF41.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336843748 519392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: crawl people are so wrong about hunger < 1336843761 374956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they saying < 1336843779 505551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good thing monqys-crawl is right" < 1336843792 10592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: mostly defending hunger in any shape or form < 1336843810 927478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while at the same time asking for nausea to be removed on the grounds that it's tedious and unimportant < 1336843819 648309 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1336843840 113123 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha-ha-ha < 1336843859 658571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apparently you need hunger because it minorly inconveniences berserkers < 1336843879 876021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also for conjurers and summoners but "i don't know anything about them" so i can't comment) < 1336843936 97078 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spells hunger you; bigger spell level means more hunger, and having spc/int means less hunger < 1336843957 131342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336843957 896827 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at low skill/int the hunger serves to prevent you from spamming big spells < 1336843961 820717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just < 1336843965 792021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not regen mp naturally instead < 1336843971 923235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use mp for that < 1336843972 413841 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336843977 850375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduce permanent food < 1336843984 275475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for berserkers < 1336843986 757026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make exhaustion last longer < 1336843996 869064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just < 1336844000 859581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it not wear off unless you $do_something < 1336844003 300728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336844015 966020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly the only times i've been unable to berserk because of hunger is when i get out of a tight situation and immediately into another < 1336844018 432181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1336844026 112920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making exhaustion last longer would fulfil that fine < 1336844029 69502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go more for the latter since lasting longer means like pillar dancing it off or something < 1336844031 251315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it's susceptible to just pressing 5 a lot < 1336844034 353598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nerf 5" < 1336844035 987065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336844040 921012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ADOM, spitting acid reduces your satiation level < 1336844046 248805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make kills reduce your exhaustion < 1336844048 92960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally in monqys-crawl you should never have to press 5 < 1336844049 32625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because $rationale < 1336844068 282422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing the rat invigourates you < 1336844106 214803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"invigourates", good british english < 1336844132 619045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should kills reduce your exhaustion? I don't see how that makes a lot of sense; resting should reduce your exhaustion (perhaps make the area danger and stuff, so that there is a penalty to resting, now you have to figure out what balance is best per circumstances) < 1336844168 227670 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336844185 55546 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :realism is less important than gameplay < 1336844215 665777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could also make exhaustion last longer and just make you lose hp over time "because" < 1336844224 83902 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmm < 1336844225 852513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then because hp on kills is great "the problem is solved" < 1336844270 495340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistency is also important though and monsters losing hp over time or only berking once is silly so i'd have to do something about that, like give the player a horrible disease to explain away the discrepency < 1336844277 937375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you need the deep deep down orb of zot to cure your self" < 1336844293 351928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Hence why I have said so, make area danger and stuff a penalty to resting < 1336844299 17288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ur dyinge. but on your bucket list it says : - get the orb of zot because nobody ever got it." < 1336844311 529180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also, yuou're a sociopath and you like to see things diye it gives you reson to live" < 1336844316 907079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hav fun" < 1336844331 351636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :important question, will this perfect roguelike go the way of both of elliott's other perfect games < 1336844346 564152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee're talking about monqy's roguelike < 1336844348 541464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just < 1336844349 956077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roguelikes in general < 1336844352 809351 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of my roguelikes < 1336844353 399910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even crawl < 1336844356 371079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: all of them < 1336844358 780863 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1336844365 185204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many do you have < 1336844375 418206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's monqys-crawl and then there's "my roguelike" < 1336844411 48165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1336844412 476075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roguelife" < 1336844461 840211 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the possibility i'll split "my roguelike" into numerous "my roguelikes" < 1336844471 417605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's bad about crawl light btw < 1336844534 437172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly: it still has things that are bad from crawl, maybe lacks some of crawl's post-fork improvements (which?) < 1336844542 195686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1336844545 352784 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like resting and big levels < 1336844550 25044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it reversed a lot of nerfs perhaps unfairly < 1336844555 633582 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that too < 1336844561 158658 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try it and see how it goes < 1336844561 767924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about LOS do they plan squarelos < 1336844566 44150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1336844602 758461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the nofood and noid and stuff like that give it a big goodness advantage over crawl also so < 1336844615 562295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im ask" < 1336844616 389447 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i dunno i'd have to try it < 1336844629 172774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#crawllight is scary "so few people" < 1336844633 314131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im scared of big channels and small channels < 1336844642 533899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be in there but nothing ever happened so i left < 1336844673 657020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while at the same time asking for nausea to be removed on the grounds that it's tedious and unimportant <--- the amusing thing is, they added nausea because sickness was tedious and unimportant… < 1336844675 921775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the last scary channel membership is like < 1336844677 350393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 people < 1336844686 681047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're not friends < 1336844693 419893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30-40 people who don't know each other < 1336844706 667376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember arguing against nausea, on the basis that it always either did nothing or killed you arbitrarily and unavoidably < 1336844714 544825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you set #CrawlLight's topic; do they plan to squarelos, or are they about to kick me for trolling? :p < 1336844715 364488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sickness is bad too < 1336844734 4342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mostly didn't set it; I just added a meme to it < 1336844736 491366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee castle! < 1336844751 416406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336844756 101401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they'd consider a squarelos suggestion trolling, although I'm not sure if they're planning it or not < 1336844767 215095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd take it seriously if you made it < 1336844802 19712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 what about LOS? :P < 1336844802 165447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 err < 1336844802 205074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 i'm not aware of the issue :P < 1336844803 573924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 circle vs. square < 1336844805 575200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 unchanged, and i don't know of plans < 1336844807 575176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:46 what is the issue with circular? < 1336844809 575368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:46 it's inconsistent with movement geometry (euclidean rather than chebyshev distance) < 1336844813 574147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im "squarelos ambassador" < 1336844827 21566 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle vs. square? Pfft. I want a triangular LOS. < 1336844840 626343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :los in the shape of a giant spider < 1336844849 863433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well squarelos is still inconsistent but it has gameplay benefits over circle los < 1336844874 734927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:47 hmm, well, I'm unsure < 1336844890 71377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:48 ask monqy if you want more/better arguments :p < 1336844892 799045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: enjoiye < 1336844895 539368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336844919 369930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know centaurs used to be speed 20 "facts" < 1336844927 233750 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1336844933 575194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 1997) < 1336844976 40847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are yoju being asked about squarelos as we speak < 1336844980 74131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1336844987 226927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what !! < 1336844994 547570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #CrawlLight immediately < 1336844997 627969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im only saying it in < 1336844999 460205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uppercases because < 1336845003 746636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what quairlzr said it in < 1336845008 279938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now < 1336845012 653250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what my irc client is convinced its called < 1336845157 587120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perfect disguise " < 1336845376 726585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: square lose "talk of the towne" < 1336845407 181877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the game with the capture rule of go and the win condition of gomoku? < 1336845426 963166 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzomoku < 1336845530 175064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im exhaust my knowledge and stuffe "you take over" < 1336845571 912889 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-122-120.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336845666 713080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monqy < 1336845675 77526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw np < 1336845682 590971 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem 1 def: tomorrow i will have car seat agoraphobia. solution: minimize that by sleeping well beforehand. problem 2 def: my sleeping pattern is way out. solution: three pronged strategy to induce sleep. < 1336845704 936265 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-154-1.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336845725 908395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im was sarcasm!!! < 1336845744 312928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the squarelos cause "dying because of monqy " < 1336845746 529553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1336845752 621593 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-129-184.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336845778 450391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to get an answer ask dtsund < 1336845784 72369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dying" < 1336845785 575329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because" < 1336845787 336881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"of" < 1336845788 905806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqy" < 1336845815 213855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for it ........ ... . < 1336845816 465515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ded < 1336845841 380375 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336845871 155684 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-122-120.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336845906 51449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336846071 791062 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phase 1: milk + hot water = triptophane < 1336846091 540049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good phase < 1336846110 108574 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know its in the bible so its a sure thing < 1336846136 183481 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1336846150 840970 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about milk putting someone to sleep < 1336846267 158095 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2 equip jacket so flimsy a kobold could attack right through it < 1336846288 175633 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like where this is going !! < 1336846292 644706 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally, #3 some asthma medicine < 1336846314 652310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have asthma < 1336846356 196198 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit.. but its mild.. but the salbutamol is strangely relaxing even though it's a stimulant < 1336846373 419208 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drugs" < 1336846435 515937 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no you got me all wrong before < 1336846437 801394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drugs" < 1336846517 714380 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant that jacket is thin compared to chainmail or platemail designed but still designed to insulate and increase my core body temp. not quite seal skin though < 1336846624 135121 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't stand being in a car when i haven't had any sleep.. it's like cia torture < 1336846958 206046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a program like Astrolog, in addition to be able to plot additional data on the calendar, and supporting artificial objects such as ISS, another features of interest would be more features related to navigation. Still, again, all features should be able to work with each other. < 1336847057 131242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can sleep in the car < 1336847067 151871 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that, it's pretty fun < 1336847116 697328 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part is not being bored because car or tired because tired < 1336847132 919127 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a great experience" < 1336847241 735105 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's hackin' < 1336847258 583785 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got back from eating thai food < 1336847265 156600 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in nyc for the weekend < 1336847269 835438 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so < 1336847279 336019 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why nyc? just visiting friends < 1336847284 203864 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1336847295 464113 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you want to re-enact that movie you had me watch < 1336847301 330210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336847320 550307 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no jumping fridges? < 1336847322 100837 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting addicted to smack is not on my list of goals for this trip < 1336847334 388617 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :double space before "trip" < 1336847335 77094 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or going ass-to-ass < 1336847336 803692 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign of hesitation < 1336847338 354880 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed cheater_ < 1336847347 521691 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :freudian slip < 1336847403 912326 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about getting gangrene and having your arm cut off while your best buddy is left in a high security prison washing cotton < 1336847451 371425 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have lived in nyc as a teenager right? < 1336847453 264841 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was like half a year ago < 1336847631 912708 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336847645 962329 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever lived in nyc? < 1336847648 32354 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lived in NYC when i was 20 through 22 < 1336847688 446134 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336847739 941371 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll pass on the gangrene as well < 1336847847 66467 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-154-1.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336848263 12239 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336848388 856621 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1336848443 718521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336848919 138572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twenteen through twenty-tween. < 1336848976 810799 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.12 PART :#esoteric < 1336848995 596910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be tenteen through twelveteen? < 1336849017 221608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: did you at least like the music in the film < 1336849049 620157 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336849196 538501 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i knew of kronos quartet long before < 1336849206 931480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad < 1336849231 736960 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm glad i got burned? < 1336849247 608051 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of all the things we learned? < 1336849259 111396 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you're still alive? < 1336849340 234254 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many glados references < 1336849360 392465 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ programming arduino with sound card: http://dangerousprototypes.com/wp-content/media/2011/09/audioino_programming_arduino_with_sound.jpg? < 1336849421 315828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1336849432 750201 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kmc are you anywhere near the twin towers of babylon < 1336849446 670796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1336849466 294426 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it needs a special bootloader < 1336849474 629306 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by this i mean the 9/11 convention center < 1336849476 9907 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's expected, and it's still kinda cool < 1336849478 770087 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336849490 151485 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty damn nice < 1336849501 124004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could just as well use V-USB with a similar part count < 1336849525 183079 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the V? < 1336849532 12164 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sense http://www.pjrc.com/hub_isp/ is probably cooler < 1336849536 832182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :V-USB is a software USB stack for AVR < 1336849544 945328 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but this one you can always program from your walkman < 1336849548 908106 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have different data tapes < 1336849552 699361 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a small patch cable < 1336849553 217224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336849556 732988 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolz < 1336849560 355320 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your phone < 1336849570 475207 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone is not hipster enough < 1336849576 525052 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be a walkman < 1336849585 708436 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :better option: portable cassette player < 1336849595 801903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hub thing requires a few more parts but no programmer < 1336849598 46833 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like one of those desktop ones < 1336849604 615602 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hub thing? < 1336849618 176135 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336849635 894130 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking < 1336849761 306532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336849863 674555 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1336849865 913893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: no i'm not near the freedom hole < 1336849867 464603 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess before i read on < 1336849870 739403 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in east harlem right now < 1336849883 185992 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he program the stuff by turning voltage on and off? < 1336849888 403835 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in power supply voltage? < 1336849890 472395 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to live pretty close to the freedom hole < 1336849907 645321 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 River Terrace, at the north end of Battery Park city < 1336849931 98416 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a 5 min walk to the WTC site < 1336849957 745485 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, on land created during the construction of the original WTC < 1336849988 999511 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make sure to stalk you by calling up your landlord and requesting personal information < 1336850010 275827 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1336850021 941606 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you moved in after it got torn down right? < 1336850029 45331 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that during < 1336850033 15313 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1336850045 581429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lived in NYC from 2008 to 2010 < 1336850065 872225 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the freedom fighter attack was in like what < 1336850068 291668 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001? < 1336850071 777587 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336850081 223211 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the building i lived in already existed at the time < 1336850096 607427 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so our air vents were probably full of asbestos < 1336850256 493351 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, yum asbestos < 1336850270 484739 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the green wire in usb? < 1336850280 622425 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally liking this article u linked me 2 < 1336850284 841259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB uses differential signaling < 1336850303 891826 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two data lines; they switch off which one has the higher voltage < 1336850308 550308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indicating 0 or 1 by it < 1336850333 29204 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is green part of the differential pair? < 1336850386 232087 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the standard code is green and white for data, black for ground, red for +5V < 1336850401 701053 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember which voltage pair is 0 and which is 1 < 1336850417 989982 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in ##electrollnics: anyone know if 3d printers can print conductive material for leds, chip communication, etc? Prot: no. cheater_: so if you try to design electronics, you have to soldier and wire everything manually? < 1336850442 418486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336850443 106694 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok gotcha < 1336850453 138256 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been some work with 3d printing electrical connections < 1336850454 171587 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have no idea how he's getting pulses out the green line ??? < 1336850459 692290 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but home PCB fabrication is much easier < 1336850465 905065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pro PCB fab is pretty cheap < 1336850497 681589 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1336850498 588894 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: read the sidebar on the right side of the page < 1336850507 325347 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do everything in ChinaPCB < 1336850579 284346 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336850581 15573 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i got it < 1336850682 609046 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super slow < 1336850701 143694 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya 13 minutes < 1336850710 997899 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he should instead make a Tempest based programmer < 1336850718 69293 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a parallel port programmer has a comparable part count and is much faster < 1336850721 689358 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who has a parallel port these days < 1336850727 380014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i do) < 1336850734 324567 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do too < 1336850738 636466 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a thought < 1336850745 634867 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a SATA programmer < 1336850767 645434 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a large parts count though < 1336850882 382451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336851057 251835 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm thinking you could possibly take an 8 bit DAC and bitbang through an audio port though < 1336851084 472120 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet < 1336851089 372517 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dac, just a slope detector < 1336851097 761985 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a high pass filter < 1336851130 71431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1336851169 388959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1336851175 812389 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yet better: use left and right in differential mode. first start up by outputting nothing and charge a capacitor which will hold the DC voltage between the channels' respective zeros < 1336851176 326138 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need two outputs and one input < 1336851179 811864 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I only found three revisions of c2bf and all of them were made by you. < 1336851182 222952 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336851193 504010 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you start outputting stuff in the signal < 1336851203 158319 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comparator makes it either 0 or 1 < 1336851214 390982 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sounds about right. < 1336851223 150970 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you deserialize < 1336851236 770437 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have your 4 bits or whatever < 1336851239 183861 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you just use each channel as an independent output < 1336851248 530676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a capacitor to low pass filter < 1336851255 251327 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't know < 1336851262 485694 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1336851273 958195 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about what would happen if you had a very long string of 0's < 1336851280 848856 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very long string of 1's < 1336851296 569564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you'd need a diode too < 1336851304 322956 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could mitigate the issue by having a three-pulse code like this < 1336851306 220394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah cap + diode + resistor < 1336851307 100834 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :01x < 1336851313 606115 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x is the bit you want to send < 1336851316 539791 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 01 always repeat < 1336851325 579136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can effectively control an output voltage < 1336851350 480057 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to send a 1, you turn on an audio tone and charge the cap through the diode < 1336851353 963617 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why do you want an lpf there, you want a hpf there < 1336851361 663020 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to send a 0, you turn it off and let the cap discharge through the resistor < 1336851369 113745 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we're talking about different applications cheater_ < 1336851374 640899 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we probably are < 1336851377 268509 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336851379 682995 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: has there been any other revisions of c2bf before revision 1 in trunk or have you put code written by enyone else repo? < 1336851379 701067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about an iterface from an unprogrammed AVR to a sound card < 1336851387 607320 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1336851389 331555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fancy codes and the like are out < 1336851401 731653 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is how to spit data out of the card < 1336851408 835176 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you put into the chip digitally has to conform to the AVR's programming state machine < 1336851410 229238 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a fancy code < 1336851414 363583 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just use a counter of 3 < 1336851416 479504 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some bootloader you write < 1336851441 178533 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :every third bit goes to the avr programming state machine sadist < 1336851455 487036 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336851460 180301 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need a counter circuit though < 1336851460 872496 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two bits get thrown away and are there just to make sure the signal is locally AC at every moment < 1336851468 546552 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a single chip < 1336851474 229663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but not a super common one < 1336851484 978083 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my scheme would work better < 1336851486 528574 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya think < 1336851488 940771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: has there been any other revisions of c2bf before revision 1 in trunk or have you put code written by enyone else repo? // no, no. I'm very careful about copyright headers, if there's code by anybody but me, it's marked as such. < 1336851490 494565 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know how to do input < 1336851493 775874 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a demultiplexer < 1336851497 483224 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a microphone port won't detect DC levels < 1336851500 429366 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's common isn't it < 1336851514 728908 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a demultiplexer can be used instead < 1336851521 311191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: my scheme doesn't have any ICs or transistors in the output path < 1336851530 709226 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need input < 1336851532 118863 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1336851563 442273 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1336851565 168097 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this one < 1336851566 892414 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it < 1336851570 15319 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one LDR < 1336851572 900660 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one webcam < 1336851576 449225 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one LED < 1336851583 928372 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you blink the LED to the webcam as input < 1336851590 597246 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you output a blinking square to the LDR < 1336851601 692234 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fucking minimal isn't it < 1336851606 349030 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336851608 116125 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1336851621 344196 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it won't get any more ghetto than that < 1336851639 550453 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you need input? < 1336851689 428692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, but hub_isp has it < 1336851719 731564 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1336851734 36277 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using the numlock, scroll lock and capslock LEDs < 1336851736 620071 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3 ldr's < 1336851767 987056 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably even slower < 1336851774 176494 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would take 5 hours to program a chip < 1336851785 598128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to make? < 1336851817 108165 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey can't you use ethernet with some measurable amount of success in a ghetto circuit? < 1336851833 202251 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i remember ethernet really lends itself to ghetto interfaces < 1336851856 336208 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's false < 1336851866 141574 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about banging out packets full of 1's or 0's < 1336851880 31646 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting that through an LPF < 1336851882 107102 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then using a comparator < 1336851894 723334 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a diode < 1336851896 439905 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1336851910 898083 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by packets i mean frames < 1336851954 513485 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you force an ethernet port to come on and send out frames, even if there was no layer 2 negotiation? < 1336851964 482676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, what exactly is it that you are trying to make these things for? < 1336851973 659667 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll up zzo38 < 1336851983 565041 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to make a minimal avr programmer < 1336851994 893534 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the use of a parallel or serial port < 1336852100 44335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336852236 246698 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: strip/bfstrip.c is written by Erik Bosman and it is under GPL2 < 1336852288 464681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things I can think of are, audio port < 1336852318 197801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to do such things as adjust impedance and so on with resistors and other components < 1336852319 818732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: otherwise all files carry copyright notice that it is yours or doesn't have copyright rule < 1336852431 587186 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.slashdong.org/2011/10/15/pen15-board/ < 1336852433 926745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfstrip is a separate tool, so that shouldn't be a big deal. All the stuff that's mine is now ISC. < 1336852455 689083 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: haha < 1336852490 974081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute, but I'm not sure why a teledildonics board would be different from any other robotics board < 1336852572 472356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for having the safety isolation of a legit medical device < 1336852575 404209 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this one clearly doesn't < 1336852589 220956 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: penis on silk screen < 1336852589 281383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what other way there is best other than audio port; parallel port would probably work best but you say you cannot use that < 1336852609 596220 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's ok, the moment has passed < 1336852618 745773 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about teledildonics now apparently < 1336852799 183318 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-181.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336852826 968220 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1336852894 365934 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, i've been looking at my disk problem more. i think it may be that disk operations incur a noticable cost in cpu < 1336852899 713563 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why that might be happening? < 1336852920 623242 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMA being disabled, but you checked that already < 1336852930 358707 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does some kernel thread show up as using CPU in top < 1336852951 323312 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336853030 18184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336853373 651315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336854005 843076 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think it's a cpu cost < 1336854152 469919 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336854165 961292 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336854171 515026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336854195 541876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ xander345 welcome < 1336854197 192338 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i own http://codecompiler.info < 1336854199 191395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336854204 329152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome xander345 < 1336854206 778475 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome xander345? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1336854208 61738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: behave yourself < 1336854208 424774 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've added an esolang section < 1336854209 154194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336854210 54742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1336854211 490537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome xander345 < 1336854213 79843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome xander345 < 1336854214 246557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get it right eventually < 1336854217 808098 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336854217 886194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336854224 768785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it right first time, HackEgo was just being naughty < 1336854227 874567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ xander345 welcome < 1336854230 69959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336854230 191143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least < 1336854232 777095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336854236 667690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/@ < 1336854239 635181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/@: No such file or directory < 1336854246 754863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone deleted it, that's what happened… < 1336854251 677562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1336854254 40464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1336854269 940306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Why did you delete quote 600? < 1336854283 141125 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the owner of esolangs.org here? < 1336854283 360109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 600 < 1336854286 762885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600) You know how the arrow pierces your skin, rearranging and randomizing vital internal structure? Monads are like that, only worse. < 1336854287 653901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did you expect it's in /bin? < 1336854290 78063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: that's me < 1336854297 36372 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I was asked to < 1336854297 885161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean the domain; that's owned by Alan Dipert, but I control its DNS < 1336854299 793630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I thought it was in /bin < 1336854304 462506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hmm, by who? < 1336854306 467773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, you forgot the "the" < 1336854315 543610 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what did @ do? < 1336854316 544393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also forgot the capitals < 1336854319 144098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm professional! < 1336854339 705505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which @ < 1336854342 705121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/@ < 1336854359 442046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: aim a message at someone < 1336854363 616170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/@ < 1336854365 299335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: oh, ignore shachaf when he tells people to delete quotes < 1336854366 368131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; } < 1336854368 138230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot it didn't start in / < 1336854374 843182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 384 < 1336854376 969755 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok < 1336854377 311290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1336854379 808345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: this place is usually less hectic than this < 1336854393 146556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it /was/ less hectic than this until he/she joined < 1336854395 914401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing he from the username < 1336854397 109269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: anyway, I'm available for any esolangs.org related question and/or request < 1336854403 257607 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where did you get the number 384? < 1336854419 147566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/f21648f87766, the revision prior to the delquote < 1336854427 355591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although `revert -2 would have worked too, I think < 1336854467 821866 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh yes. I forgot hackego's PWD was repo < 1336854523 720773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌────────────────────────────┐ < 1336854526 850339 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ you can't ignore my techno │ < 1336854529 263521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :└────────────────────────────┘ < 1336854534 609178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌────────────────────────────┐ < 1336854536 735275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can < 1336854537 767104 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ you can't ignore my techno │ < 1336854540 192641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :└────────────────────────────┘ < 1336854542 996793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1336854545 460486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1336854576 102612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1336854583 248716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1336854613 816198 :xander345!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1336854649 69919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xander345: i'm glad to have helped you as the owner of esolangs.org < 1336854658 978671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an op present? < 1336854723 530373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to say "yes" so I can go silent for the next five minutes as a hilarious joke. :( < 1336854731 947056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be that funny < 1336854733 708552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1336854736 985385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know how to check the access list < 1336854738 20559 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see the police... warn a brother! < 1336854754 917113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks zzo38 < 1336854827 506397 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌──────────┐ < 1336854827 679178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ cheater_ │ < 1336854827 697337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :└──────────┘ < 1336854838 389919 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _______________________________ < 1336854838 907361 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Esoteric languages fuck yeah! > < 1336854839 254287 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ------------------------------- < 1336854839 597270 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ _ < 1336854839 940615 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ (_) \ < 1336854842 352947 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^__^ / \ < 1336854844 803679 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ (oo)\_____/_\ \ < 1336854847 387260 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (__)\ ) / < 1336854849 804764 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ||----w (( < 1336854852 418977 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : || ||>> < 1336854852 863788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not do this < 1336854855 364488 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think that broke < 1336854859 671656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YA THINK < 1336854861 52567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip cow < 1336854874 140942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336854882 66798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your cow is so bad it killed PH < 1336854883 481781 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip hover < 1336854972 345187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an apt cow? < 1336854981 76604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1336854986 330308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a butfuckt cow < 1336854988 53802 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I try again < 1336854991 507575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336854994 985484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ aptitude moo < 1336854996 533598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no Easter Eggs in this program. < 1336855013 465911 :ddd!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336855016 749510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ddd < 1336855020 2413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddd: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336855040 266950 :ddd!569caffc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.156.175.252 QUIT :Client Quit < 1336855043 30795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, plain gdb is better < 1336855046 351056 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unwelcome ddd < 1336855048 896342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unwelcome: not found < 1336855059 623746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ddd = xander345, btw < 1336855062 732303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose you know aptitude --verbose moo. < 1336855067 365024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suspected < 1336855068 935608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, let me try that < 1336855076 34925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not sure what is "up with them" < 1336855076 62513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336855081 186246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can keep adding more -v's up to some point. < 1336855098 620519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably ais523 has also tried apt-get moo < 1336855108 329165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stops at -vvvvvv < 1336855119 25176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, that's what I was referencing, I wasn't sure if it was the same cow or not < 1336855138 429975 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cow is from cowsay < 1336855166 791374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, ddate seems to have disappeared from the repos altogether < 1336855176 832792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no longer in coreutils, and it isn't anywhere else either < 1336855188 366137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks! < 1336855195 383295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~$ sdate date < 1336855196 932908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Sep 6829 21:39:47 BST 1993 < 1336855199 691233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's still there, though < 1336855218 969853 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it? < 1336855223 113133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not in coreutils < 1336855232 295261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the bugreport about removing ddate, where it was (IIRC) first closed as "no, we won't remove it", but then they flipflopped and did. < 1336855239 975838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sdate's a library injection thing that causes date-related syscalls to return values in september 1993 < 1336855247 654105 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1336855248 689586 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tazpkg doesn't have cow hidden but my own pkgmgr has if cowsay is installed < 1336855253 48814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eternal september < 1336855255 404810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because september 1993 never ended < 1336855261 640213 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1336855278 123096 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid though < 1336855283 290078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would allow you to see what happens in case of strange values returned by date-related syscalls < 1336855297 188350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you tell http://www.df7cb.de/projects/sdate/mutt.png stupid < 1336855298 644603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed, many programs act oddly or brokenly under sdate < 1336855309 55785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bonus: it does the same to outgoing Date headers) < 1336855334 952661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1336855379 217515 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made a library injection thing for Random Standard Time too < 1336855385 65593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336855389 692474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that just random timezones? < 1336855399 448194 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if RST would fit in POSIX locale framework < 1336855400 139401 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336855410 879915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the timezone used in Random Hall at MIT < 1336855412 837508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does sdate have an option to change the reference month, or to do other things to date syscalls? (Possibly, add these features to same program including the ones for Random Standard Time and so on) < 1336855421 677083 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really not a timezone but an alternate way of writing time < 1336855454 191167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where hours 00 through 05 are spelled 24 through 29 < 1336855466 507326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the day rolls over at a time when fewer people are awake < 1336855467 591734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=149321 "tags 149321 + wontfix; ddate is staying, and as indicated, 180737 is already fixed." Then there's #650321 where util-linux made ddate optional and people were asking Debian folks to add the --enable-ddate to the package. Too bored to search for when it finally went away. < 1336855499 122714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it lets you change the reference month, but nothing else < 1336855523 392646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: splitting it into a different package is an obvious thing to do < 1336855577 715679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, though it's upstreamistically part of util-linux. Or at least was. < 1336855594 429781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of people have objected to it, especially it being part of the base install. < 1336855603 85778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like #583503 "Subject: ddate: this useless joke program has no place in a base debian install" -- "I do not want this program on my machines and it has outstanding i18n/l10n bugs." < 1336855695 410176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bit in 2003 in Debian when util-linux 2.11z-3 "Drop ddate. Closes: #149321, #174459, #180737" and then seven hours later util-linux 2.11z-4 "Put ddate back in, just to keep the natives quiet". < 1336855725 11326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I see it's totally gone in latest util-linux versions even without an entry in the changelog. Perhaps the upstream dropped it. < 1336855839 663723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was looking at an old changelog. < 1336855925 141916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact util-linux 2.20.1-2 in debian stable says "Re-enable ddate, disabled by default upstream in 2.20". But a search for the file name in Debian unstable doesn't find it, so I don't quite know what's up with it. < 1336855930 880268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stab/unstab/ < 1336855934 342216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unstabbed debian. < 1336855991 878320 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336856005 631608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier to stab than to unstab < 1336856397 139227 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i just can't ignore your techno < 1336856461 740990 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : why do you think it's a cpu cost < because on youtube the videos are stuttering while they're caching. also, the caching is much slower while i'm doing playback. < 1336856613 508283 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, have you finished the game continuity yet < 1336856617 138455 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really cool < 1336856625 778340 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooler than porificetal < 1336856642 645898 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cooler than portal2 though which i haven't pld yet < 1336856651 793287 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://continuitygame.com/playcontinuity.html < 1336856653 571831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im bring it < 1336856659 445041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: los euclidaen los is bad hi < 1336856712 579924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ monqy just tell me why using Euclidean LOS for lighting is Bad. < 1336856729 15161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-23.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336856746 687864 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aspects are euclidean here < 1336856854 516815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the LOS. < 1336856874 459117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unspecific < 1336856882 225204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have euclidean circlelos and euclidean squarelos < 1336856893 464059 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shape of the lines i assume he means, not how they're bounded < 1336856906 370981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :euclidean circlelos looks like an approximation of a circle on a euclidean display, euclidean squarelos looks like a square on a euclidean display < 1336856907 237331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: right < 1336856953 131861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the hell you're going on about < 1336856953 994378 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the shape of the lines: i'm sure i have my reasons for disliking it but the only ones i can recall at the moment are "wow it feels ugly and i just don't like it" and "it's harder for players to predict/measure when something will be in los from a certain position" < 1336856967 623383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOS can't look like either a square or circle, it's just a line. < 1336856974 769534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336856979 959288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're confusing it with the distance metric. < 1336856981 269461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how los works < 1336856983 789563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nno < 1336856984 535912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not < 1336856992 916657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl-likes < 1336856997 917854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :los is the region around you that you can see < 1336857007 767937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you still see a map around the rest if you've been there but it's dimmed and you don't get any updates to it) < 1336857024 256113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl it's a circle so if you stand in a featureless plane you'll see an illuminated circle-approximation around you < 1336857037 381679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't see or target anything outside (and the same applies to monsters) < 1336857044 32008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, well fair point wrt prediction, but in this case it's the lighting engine: you don't really need to be able to predict lines of sight, just make them look natural. < 1336857057 708629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continuity finished < 1336857065 266732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you do need to predict lines of sight for ducking around corners to avoid monsters, etc. < 1336857070 529580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1336857071 167688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do < 1336857072 268327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1336857073 918452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what monsters see < 1336857079 572540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwaitwait, you were doing this for the /player's/ LOS? < 1336857080 752034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :los is a very game-relevant thing < 1336857085 959637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: player and monsters < 1336857087 801300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK your algorithm is even more batshit insane. < 1336857127 729560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1336857135 120898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not defending my algorithm but < 1336857143 663930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im undefending a euclidean algorithm < 1336857166 490623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it seems like the best option by far. < 1336857186 53820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it can be unintuitive and it's a hack, but it's still closest to what you expect. < 1336857195 710528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1336857196 288969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1336857220 699388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl i just take it on faith that where i'm running will get me out of los of the spellcaster/ranged-attack enemy < 1336857225 133699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"closest to what you expect"? < 1336857226 749075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm often wrong < 1336857261 297635 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm weird but i wouldn't expect a game on a square grid to approximate euclidean stuff < 1336857320 207335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what else would you expect? < 1336857388 72575 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something between "something based on the distance metric" and "no expectations because everyone runs to euclidean so it'd be unwise to expect people do things other than that" < 1336857448 170592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is that when you have a distance metric without even remotely unique shortest paths calculating lines of sight is inevitably arbitrary. < 1336857516 493353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1336857577 379245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Euclidean shortest path seems to be the most intuitive one. < 1336857666 753250 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like that to me but whatever. if you're basing this on your intuition i don't think there's anything i can do to stop you??? < 1336857801 515707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a live replay of the infamous 2012 monqy–Phantom_Hoover "battle of the losses" < 1336857817 443280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :within a week the human race was extinct :( < 1336857874 701506 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336857898 669533 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌───────────────────────┐ < 1336857898 845473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ whoever wins, we lose │ < 1336857899 532045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :└───────────────────────┘ < 1336857921 586095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop doing that box thing < 1336857932 863031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, well I have to admit I've never played Crawl so I don't know the gameplay considerations beyond having seen a similar system in Dwarf Fortress. < 1336858024 569125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you should play crawl!!!! < 1336858309 45236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i cant im windows user now < 1336858317 347253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: most people play online < 1336858320 293977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dont version its all lies) < 1336858324 932178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have putty you can play the same as everyone else does!! < 1336858330 851906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry windows user < 1336858438 629341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: putty is for windows !!! < 1336858462 186167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1336858468 457836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 3 user?? < 1336858481 147630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggests Big Idea to improve Unity on Unity mailing list < 1336858498 234501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some small ideas too, but I want to get the big one done first to make the small ones more palatable < 1336858539 179157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the idea < 1336858548 664944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think windows 3 had telnet < 1336858585 184903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that it supported curses < 1336858597 351062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1336858600 682263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about telnet < 1336858622 691627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ph is going to play crawl lets watch < 1336858642 177749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdo? < 1336858656 993454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaep < 1336858672 736797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that it didn't work on Windows when I telnetted into that crawl server. < 1336858690 988466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy ping, Batman! < 1336858727 455648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl.akrasiac.org may be faster if you're in america!!! < 1336858768 590561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also choose "trunk" < 1336858773 856878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont play stable versions theyre so unfashionable < 1336858781 551680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say except for 4.1 but < 1336858783 27593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an alpha! < 1336858826 279955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we,re waitinge < 1336858840 525274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am enthusiastic enough about Unity to write patches for it /even though it's written in C++/! < 1336858857 788200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was the big idaees < 1336858871 815254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: allowing you to pin things more precisely than applications < 1336858887 877676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they'd want to move away from an application-centric model < 1336858901 800666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can pin a "compose email" window, or a "terminal running telnet to nethack.alt.org", or a particular folder in my filesystem (it's pretty shocking that you can't do that already, btw) < 1336858917 862697 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336858918 33037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not moving away from an application-centric model; it's just blurring the boundaries of what an application is < 1336858924 545439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you consider gmail to be an application? < 1336858938 931782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not agreeing with their position < 1336858943 619557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing that both gmail and chromium should be considered applications, even though one runs within the other < 1336858945 920977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "application" is an artificial boundary anyway < 1336858953 744199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: chromium already supports saving as an application, anyway < 1336858955 610076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm just making the boundary configurable < 1336858965 280205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that the application-centric ideology is incoherent < 1336858967 188901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, but the OS doesn't know that < 1336858975 383972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't attempt to disprove that by telling me it's arbitrary < 1336858982 880723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to disprove you < 1336858984 878649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im waitinge! < 1336858989 927186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you waitinge < 1336858992 443832 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336858996 729926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: were waitinge < 1336858998 922456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it a little more coherent by letting the user specify where their mental boundaries are < 1336859022 636462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't say it wasn't an improvement < 1336859034 912400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1336859036 286044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since they hold an application-centric ideology, they will probably be quite tied to the current definition of application < 1336859038 702789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we disagreeing with each other or not? < 1336859045 743197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect they'll not be fond of the change, at least to start with < 1336859050 985653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be overly-cynical and proven wrong < 1336859066 966190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the fun thing is, it's possible to do that already, but with a lot of manual work in config files, and it's buggy < 1336859088 598310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be precise, you have to use your new manual files to start things rather than starting them from places other than the launcher, e.g. a terminal window) < 1336859090 495221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok playing crawll < 1336859115 374274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can do this already let's make it not so stupidly user-unfriendly" is the sort of line I expect to work well on the Unity people < 1336859116 124570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watching < 1336859118 888775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336859124 450490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: recommend Phantom_Hoover a combo or somethinge < 1336859126 957077 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watche < 1336859129 281778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaahhhhhhh < 1336859132 468840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: demonspawn is ok < 1336859132 640203 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you recommend < 1336859137 135934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe berserker or abyssal knight < 1336859144 997278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336859145 937996 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up kmc < 1336859146 333618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336859149 446331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont't do that < 1336859158 935750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph < 1336859159 584409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336859168 317583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph < 1336859170 627815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop playing naie < 1336859182 344720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1336859190 302749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a program to put stuff in boxes < 1336859192 570709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's kind-of fun when you accidentally introduce a segfault into your window manager < 1336859198 778218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to i throw < 1336859202 235121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1336859207 353979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :z to spelle < 1336859210 660368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Phantom_Hoover you have to actually playe now < 1336859219 302148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had quite a bit of practice at recovering from that; alt-f1 is useful, so is having lots of windows open that can run arbitrary shell commands (Emacs, etc) < 1336859351 936686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know you can start a window manager from a Linux (i.e. non-GUI) terminal and have it work on the X display? (actually, probably you did) < 1336859373 772967 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what wm are you using and how do you manage to segfault it? < 1336859387 652798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: compiz, and by patching Unity (which is implemented as a compiz plugin) < 1336859427 978002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hi < 1336859432 966742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: try o < 1336859435 588662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1336859436 856196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play naie < 1336859447 628614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried naie elliott < 1336859472 44630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336859490 952183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336859556 491458 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know that you can start X without anything that starts when using startx by typing X (or Xorg or Xvesa or Xfvdev depending on your system) < 1336859569 327751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes, I did < 1336859575 782581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found that out while developing weboflies < 1336859595 88808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Xvfb if you don't want it to contact your hardware at all < 1336859654 115679 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you used Xvfb? < 1336859663 999372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well sort of < 1336859675 932332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet used it in an environment where it doesn't automatically segfault < 1336859689 315742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to mapping things too close to the growing end of the stack < 1336859696 292989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to fix that weboflies bug… < 1336859879 580945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: web oflies < 1336859880 343678 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you mean put stuff in boxes? < 1336859888 140782 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw, http://jimblog.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/c++map2.png < 1336860170 400742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1336860198 134455 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336860228 313082 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i didn't know about std::rope < 1336860354 308824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, someone on the mailing list seems to agree with me, but that's not very surprising, there are lost of people on the list < 1336860371 837237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of lost people < 1336860560 78259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a bunch of people trying to persuade the Unity devs to add click-to-minimize for applications with one window open, which would be massively confusing and inconsistent, so I can see why they said no < 1336860581 814785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a diplomatic way, along the lines of "we want that to do something else in the next version, so there's no point in changing it now" < 1336861501 156897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336861539 739380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336862098 663239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336862742 157159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1336862743 45183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1336862785 754520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ph bye ph < 1336863015 140325 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well obviously i linked you to it, which means i know more about c++ than you! < 1336863023 318033 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i will now perform seppuku. < 1336863126 353289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the easiest way to get a list of all functions in curses? nm? the man page (I think there's a list there)? < 1336863153 243058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash keys randomly and press enter every sixth letter or so < 1336863165 17061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoid too many vowels < 1336863180 324323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a /correct/ list < 1336863188 704589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised how effective that would be < 1336863225 488496 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did u know of the "select" keyword in bash < 1336863230 90961 :cheater_!~cheater@g231037111.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :select f in aaa bbb ccc ddd ; do echo $f ; break ; done < 1336863240 505564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here is my Grand Plan for Unity: https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg09410.html < 1336863280 227734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's Gmail, not GMail, by the way < 1336863295 816174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care :) < 1336863300 521620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll get it right in the future < 1336863305 14341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's Googlemail, in the UK < 1336863307 367762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for trademark reasons < 1336863307 683567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1336863311 799245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been Gmail everywhere for years < 1336863318 740281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did they manage to buy a license? < 1336863330 612159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1336863331 868525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sued the company out of existence or something < 1336863337 883045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or killed everyone who works there < 1336863341 982054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Google, who knows? < 1336863359 688378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just realised how weird it is for an originally-Google Google product to not start with Google < 1336863363 26326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gmail" is a strange word < 1336863414 752841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, how could you pin a nethack server with a file? < 1336863421 361417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write an .sh file? < 1336863431 602518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'd pin "telnet nethack.alt.org" < 1336863439 353591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather hopelessly vague < 1336863442 774056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually technically possible right now, but you have to write the .desktop file by hand < 1336863445 637972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, that's a shell command < 1336863448 714509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not simply pin files directly, and open them in the relevant application? < 1336863458 468329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd pin an .sh for a terminal, or a folder for Nautilus < 1336863475 409786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make it a URI, so you can do the browser thing too < 1336863481 19305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because if you do "telnet nethack.alt.org" in a terminal /not/ via the .sh file, it wouldn't be detected as the thing you'd pinned < 1336863485 852877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything /already supports/ opening a URI in an appropriate application < 1336863494 840761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could use telnet://nethack.alt.org/ < 1336863497 483108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, things like the compose email window in Evolution, I want to be able to pin that < 1336863508 576203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, that's going to require /way/ too much cooperation with applications to work < 1336863511 971624 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of "nethack servers" < 1336863512 354168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can't reasonably be described with a URI, /and/ I want it to be detected if you click on "new mail" in Evolution < 1336863519 717229 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got something that the usual distribution doesn't? < 1336863526 436682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: you can't cheat, and people can watch < 1336863529 959693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: people can watch you, it proves you aren't cheating, you can get other people's bones < 1336863534 644616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less every serious nethack player plays on servers < 1336863536 503281 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1336863544 277163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for really oldschool people, I guess) < 1336863544 295738 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spectating is a good point < 1336863546 293668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the DevTeam) < 1336863549 366419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the "/way/ too much cooperation with applications" is the route I'm going through < 1336863565 376357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's that much of a problem, really < 1336863573 595469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen how much cooperation already exists? < 1336863574 625921 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack pr0gamers < 1336863577 802598 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬u¬ < 1336863578 683531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: seems like mine gives 80% of the benefits with 20% of the effort < 1336863594 56470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and your original email describes my scheme < 1336863597 338471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, pinning the compose mail window (so it doesn't group with my inbox) is actually the change that I most want < 1336863600 232909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say anything about shell lines or anything, just files < 1336863609 863007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "file" in a general sense, perhaps that's misleading < 1336863618 775464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compose mail window is not a file < 1336863630 31651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in this model < 1336863635 803661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies it's badly named < 1336863644 1161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can Unity know how to open the compose mail window in Evolution, just because you tell it about the window? < 1336863663 617731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because Evolution tells it how < 1336863664 511901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd require a /lot/ more code in applications to handle this sort of stuff < 1336863683 566087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for every single window Evolution can open? < 1336863692 473798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think this is unreasonable, try, say, right-clicking on Chromium, or Nautilus, or Firefox in Unity < 1336863693 893561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the translation to the codepath required to open them won't be trivial < 1336863699 342739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that < 1336863712 405187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much less code than would be required for this < 1336863718 435550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't bother doing it for, say, preferences dialogs < 1336863734 430377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, I guess you could pin the inbox and then have all the other windows Evolution opens under Evolution rather than Inbox (Evolution) < 1336864890 335306 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336865175 942937 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1336865570 524730 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? It was a bad quote. < 1336865682 742136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, the work will need to be done anyway so that you can pin files from having them open in applications, rather than just from Nautilus or whatever < 1336865703 318364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me: making things slightly more usable even if it takes five times the effort < 1336866763 563212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why does tcgetpgrp only work on a terminal you're currently connected to? < 1336866810 813273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand wanting to compare users, but not to compare controlling terminals < 1336866822 158242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't my program on terminal 1 check to see which program is currently running on terminal 2/ < 1336867034 95841 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds