< 1338595422 455715 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 37% done and I'm not even optimizing the decoy setup < 1338595440 868510 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the maximum number of decoys < 1338595480 176377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/ejTG < 1338595483 867988 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 0.0 < 1338595488 927020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, size limit again… < 1338595514 332647 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the full anticipation? < 1338595524 452708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I added in the cases needed to beat dreadnaught < 1338595533 281779 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1338595534 578082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete some of the five-cycle offset clear cases that aren't used in practice < 1338595567 389013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel justified in this sort of constant-tweaking because it's working around hill limitations rather than program limitations < 1338595577 914970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/PBLP < 1338595582 217145 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_anticipation: 35.9 < 1338595605 190253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust vs david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338595606 672615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -30 < 1338595608 151521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation.bfjoust wins. < 1338595629 982978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can generate the full anticipation easily enough but the hill won't accept it < 1338595661 218369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, it manages to get dreadnaught to run off the tape (!) < 1338595670 664785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on sieve polarity < 1338595674 447549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on kettle it locks it in place instead) < 1338595716 922420 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's because of the way I put in the anti-triplock in the attack scheme. < 1338595728 800347 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to do that properly... < 1338595801 851865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, [+[+]][+[+]]> is the sort of pattern you want if you want to be 100% immune to both triplocks and vibrations < 1338595824 336081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it won't beat anticipation, incidentally) < 1338595875 139264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a triplock requires three ] in a row, and there aren't there < 1338595893 856152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a vibration relies on you not checking for two cycles in a row, and that does < 1338595940 407404 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think I understand that now. < 1338595944 273012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: >,ml/.3f.A? < 1338595993 685137 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to quickly plug that into dreadnought and see the results. < 1338596058 751156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a [+] replacement < 1338596075 609348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted a different sort of clear loop, you'd replace each of the +s with everything you wanted inside the loop < 1338596115 414436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_vibration_and_triplock (>)*8(>[+[+]][+[+]])*21 < 1338596118 506626 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_vibration_and_triplock: 20.8 < 1338596120 849492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if it beats anything else < 1338596138 661680 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/8ff271d4/save.php?hash=bb8ae3da6cffef9d87d8764331b10e7c < 1338596142 188269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, all of olsner's programs, for one < 1338596142 270711 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.4 < 1338596153 147736 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338596156 539368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.0 < 1338596161 188537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, waterfall2 < 1338596179 662744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counterpoke, hahaha < 1338596219 879261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other results are expected (it beats programs that require the opponent to use decoys, and the things it's tuned to beat) < 1338596236 466727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now, you're beating everything but anticipation and counterpoke < 1338596243 968904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually really really like anticipation < 1338596265 988329 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really good idea, just a little big. < 1338596267 257651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity it doesn't compress well < 1338596279 635564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very simple program really, just all the cases have to be written out by hand and there are thousands < 1338596400 701920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1338596408 390074 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the hill allowed something like bzip2 compression < 1338596421 685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't run a program while it's bzipped :) < 1338596449 38507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server side unpack? < 1338596479 106137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue's space used in memory while the program is running, rather than bandwidth < 1338596491 75571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the waterfalls beat dreadnought on one polarity < 1338596508 12314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's misdetecting on the other polarity, and the fallbacks don't work < 1338596547 64675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreadnaught seems far from unbeatable, the more I look at it < 1338596568 505941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, heh, on very long tapes there are draws, I'm guessing due to time out < 1338596669 119667 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought shouldn't be too hard to beat, it'll just take some time. < 1338596717 551550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke seems to beat it comprehensively, but I'm thinking more of tweaking existing strategies to beat it < 1338596735 748872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches waterfall2 beat dreadnought on a long tape on kettle polarity < 1338596745 357867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I'll watch it lose on sieve, to see why < 1338596919 577178 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like waterfall2 waits for dreanought even when dreadnought has passed onto the next space < 1338596956 226970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has fallbacks against that sort of thing < 1338596960 217995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably won't work < 1338596968 721828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it falls back to triplocking in emergencies, and you have counter-triplock code < 1338597027 748422 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the reason why dreadnought continues past is also due to the counter-triplock code < 1338597205 329036 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it seems that dreadnought moves onto the [-] part of the clear routine on normal polarity and so it move on after 2 cycles instead of 3 < 1338597223 603577 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moves* < 1338597253 533724 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So really dreadnought wins by accident. < 1338597313 231376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite common against waterfall, it's really complex /and/ really fragile < 1338597365 276421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting it to the top of the hill required lots of constant-tweaking just to avoid coincidences where enemy programs got knocked onto a different part of their clear algo < 1338597396 364852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if an inline clear can be modified to take constant time? < 1338597422 713787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awesome if it could < 1338597448 779854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems awkward, it has beautifully hard to time constructs like [>] in < 1338597636 967276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the duration depends on the distance it has to move and the amount it has to clear < 1338597656 646696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an inefficient clear where we only change the value by 1 at a time until it's zeroed makes one of the values constant < 1338597723 781287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess we could use a counter or something for the tape length, copying it back and forth between a cell and the next one < 1338598042 232401 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89045.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598117 764193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doable, but may end up too long /and/ too slow < 1338598201 344535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be too long < 1338598352 852618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598355 945023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 23.2 < 1338598374 344884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338598444 750742 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me an idea... < 1338598483 974280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I've found the perfect clear loop for counterpoke :) < 1338598511 638047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this will suck against defence < 1338598618 295899 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338598666 608620 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/e0870cd3/save.php?hash=d8e637c825b5fda9f9a5256ab546e67d < 1338598670 60242 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 66.2 < 1338598698 455954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/65b19928/save.php?hash=7cc9e6cd41212521c6ab0d41cf88767e < 1338598701 797644 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 69.8 < 1338598742 336913 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered why that was a bad idea. < 1338598777 103924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be getting worse < 1338598779 963784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_turtle >>>>>[>>>>(+)*128[+]]>>>[<<<(+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60<(+)*60<(+)*60<(-)*60(>)*7((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21 < 1338598783 7508 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_turtle: 27.9 < 1338598791 661605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats dreadnaught :) < 1338598814 310546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats quite a lot of things, actually < 1338598817 503639 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.8 is a good score though eh < 1338598840 179515 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, even with it's new losses. < 1338598860 765045 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls up.. oh wow 71 < 1338598878 695301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to the realisation that /even if/ you have a really really large offset on your offset turtle, it's still going to go faster than a standard clear < 1338598928 726332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 was before countermeasures, so a little unrealistic. < 1338598938 940011 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong i couldn't write a bfjouster for the life of me, but i know that 71.2 has got to be a serious score < 1338598944 672931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :countermeasures = everyone coming up with creative new ways to beat your program? < 1338598949 676858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well, I consider 30 to be a nice solid score < 1338598955 698709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338598960 490975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 70, you have to have a serious attempt at beating /every/ other program < 1338599035 899286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/TLKR < 1338599039 206833 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599041 867544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338599066 304182 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: The average on the hill is around 28 or so. < 1338599075 721204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax error, probably < 1338599082 417030 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not about twinking < 1338599093 841829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed an open paren somewhere, I think < 1338599111 75781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/eQgF < 1338599114 345790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 0.0 < 1338599116 829260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1338599127 578666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unmatchd ]" < 1338599131 200342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"unmatched ]" < 1338599159 956068 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of unmatched loops and perenthesis, looking at egojsout. < 1338599178 247251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust omega_counterpoke http://sprunge.us/IdEN < 1338599181 415892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_omega_counterpoke: 11.4 < 1338599186 907116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not as high as I'd hoped < 1338599201 169762 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338599206 585945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it loses to juggernaught < 1338599287 60339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the clear loop in omega_counterpoke is just impractically slow for the situations it ends up in < 1338599304 166564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke's strength in skipping decoys, the strength of a careless clear is that it doesn't care about decoys < 1338599334 812671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both omega_turtle and counterpoke are better than omega_counterpoke < 1338599338 232403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting experiment, anyway < 1338599534 354813 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 http://tinypaste.com/592fbfd1/save.php?hash=7e4c4922ec72a14c90a7e6312b821d59 < 1338599537 564295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 26.5 < 1338599582 458103 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_o8 < < 1338599585 523962 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_o8: 0.0 < 1338599607 213280 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that increasing the range of the offset clear doesn't help much either. < 1338599871 915554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect it to < 1338599879 436934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3's enough to get past trivial trails and the like < 1338599892 886014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else, it's probably not going to be worth doing anything other than brute-forcing it < 1338600068 532666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's quite likely to be a flag < 1338600137 111597 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338600230 169389 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600250 999507 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the optimizer just found a better config for dreadnought, but I can't extract it in mid-run. < 1338600353 292060 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1338600463 107488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<([{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600466 85254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 9.4 < 1338600478 847945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty experimental, I didn't expect it to work well < 1338600482 760062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to see how it fails < 1338600588 709320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, that was really really stupid < 1338600629 721898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>(+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600632 791542 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 12.2 < 1338600854 505732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600857 553087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600867 466784 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1338600867 763023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*13((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600870 904681 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.0 < 1338600880 510700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*11((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600883 527899 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.2 < 1338600890 605688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I guessed right first time :) < 1338600914 256581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>[((>>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600917 247057 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600925 876400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>[((>>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21]>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600929 93507 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 15.9 < 1338600939 514501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40>[]<(+[{(<(-)*50)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}](<(+)*50)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338600942 699746 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338600976 663488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust vs ais523_triplock3.bfjoust XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -2 ais523_skyscraper.bfjoust wins. < 1338600978 325080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1338601083 444228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, obviously, they're just both waiting for each other < 1338601164 324318 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem with programming defense, it doesn't work so well again other defense programs. < 1338601183 500379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is, I'm sure, ruefully aware of that. < 1338601214 29953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really rueful, it's pretty easy to change to a counter-defence rush after a few tens of thousands of cycles < 1338601257 708176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /ouch/, there's an obvious bug in skyscraper < 1338601346 247898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601349 320371 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601458 952798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another, which is less easily fixable < 1338601623 481519 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization 89% done... it'll probabbly only be another tenth of a point anyways. < 1338601678 760121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*20[]<(+++++[[[[[[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[-- < 1338601679 147556 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreadnought was surprisingly close to what the current optimizer found, despite being unoptimized < 1338601679 461909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338601680 157419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%45 < 1338601686 471715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that didn't fit all one line :) < 1338601731 627891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper http://sprunge.us/VjDE < 1338601732 805857 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered what would happen with long lines on irc... < 1338601735 304469 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 14.8 < 1338601740 350461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and it was worse anyway < 1338601745 258116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601748 220258 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 18.2 < 1338601832 651106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[+[+[---[-[-]]]]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601835 753322 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 17.2 < 1338601876 436392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*20[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601879 433295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.9 < 1338601887 597386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimenting with different sorts of clear loop < 1338601893 918759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a large offset clear might work well with that algo < 1338601911 186019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*30[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601914 236618 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 20.9 < 1338601921 888588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*50[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601924 992656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 16.6 < 1338601931 445578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*10[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601934 510304 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 19.2 < 1338601942 984244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*21[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601945 906051 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 21.6 < 1338601954 476865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>[]<(+[{<(-)*60(<(-)*50)*4<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}]<(+)*40(<(+)*50)*4<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256 < 1338601957 631881 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 22.1 < 1338601965 927651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's stick with this version < 1338602037 423245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could plausibly call it attack9 < 1338602041 492949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's defend9 but a rush program < 1338602072 794931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus can be defeated by all the usual sorts of things that beat defend9 < 1338602183 323120 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that a major loss area is around where Deewiant and Gregor's programs are. < 1338602241 834876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have me for converting to jiyva < 1338602242 901967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1338602291 281847 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry the character is actually ok now that ive gotten used to it < 1338602477 184779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338602484 932564 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338602621 34455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%256])%768 < 1338602624 318650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.1 < 1338602626 966380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle fix < 1338602661 344931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there's a very easy way to beat skyscraper, which is something that some players do out of habit and some don't < 1338602697 947023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, and now insidious, skyscraper and counterpoke are all next to each other on the leaderboard < 1338602744 571056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, dreadnaught has started losing to slowpoke, if I read the leaderboard correctly; I'm not sure why < 1338602764 462111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you figured out skyscraper's strategy yet, btw? < 1338602884 212709 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can see, it detects the polarity of the enemy and builds several large decoys that are more difficult for that polarity. < 1338602895 352467 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure that's correct. < 1338602978 178790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's it < 1338602993 61520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's setting the decoys to whatever polarity the enemy has trouble clearing < 1338602998 424889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively making there twice as many < 1338603001 782473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you for using the correct polarity names btw < 1338603047 451694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an interesting definition of "correct" :) < 1338603236 804759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining skyscraper with counterpoke could be interesting < 1338603245 34923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if I have the mental energy to write that right now < 1338603258 714960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only on long tapes, skyscraper sacrifices short ones < 1338603405 851935 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization complete! < 1338603409 919665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603412 964687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 23.8 < 1338603430 793492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338603440 827533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that /looked/ like a straight improvement, as well < 1338603486 852996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I completely messed up the c/p < 1338603520 207915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12((>[(+)*19[-]])%17)*17)%128])%768 < 1338603523 465977 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603529 481502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better :) < 1338603587 385491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's mostly Gregor it isn't beating < 1338603606 464256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and huh, that clear loop is written in a nonsensical manner < 1338603669 790858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[-]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603672 851713 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 26.9 < 1338603679 951283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, even though it's equivalent < 1338603702 598039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is timer clear, I guess, as it's struggling against defence < 1338603714 73505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1338603723 779315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338603726 912422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338603733 110778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler :) < 1338603747 310037 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And better scoring too! < 1338603796 202689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, a much simpler fix than timer clear < 1338603803 632327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's getting triplocked… < 1338603807 201212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks whre < 1338603808 685526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1338604000 471776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1338604066 801595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%256])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604069 726784 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 30.5 < 1338604079 670818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what did that screw up? < 1338604084 450919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604087 663566 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604143 679101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604146 795218 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 29.1 < 1338604160 436931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604163 507679 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604176 566951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%999)*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604179 489194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604197 647459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%9999])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604200 695162 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 24.6 < 1338604251 234168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>([---{[+[+]][+[+]]>}])%2560])}])%2560])}])%2560])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604254 398879 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 0.0 < 1338604265 909026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*64(.+)*128{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604269 109670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.2 < 1338604309 453565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604312 588194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 33.6 < 1338604345 852051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338604381 6696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1338604404 739751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now skyscraper's doing better than slowrush < 1338604408 789250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program isn't meant to do this well help < 1338604418 371058 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/dbb9314c/save.php?hash=62e33e11c2a65678f411f084883c46a4 < 1338604422 416729 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 67.4 < 1338604439 928484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dreadnought and skyscraper /draw/ < 1338604484 404272 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, I didn't even have skyscraper in the optimization set < 1338604555 646332 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not feeling well, what is all this mess < 1338604556 185731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338604564 239967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: we're jousting < 1338604578 749023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat came up with dreadnought which /almost/ beat everything < 1338604583 22164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338604583 107482 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1338604583 278054 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1338604587 857642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I came up with a range of new programs to beat it < 1338604591 684890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi\o/ < 1338604593 849549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi myndzi \o/ < 1338604594 15082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1338604594 87576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            >\ < 1338604649 427317 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm optimizing only against skyscraper < 1338604666 828178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unwise < 1338604678 901 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun < 1338604708 798104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf, that was a pretty amazing reason for skyscraper losing on sieve < 1338604710 436869 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean what all is new? ;) < 1338604738 399319 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got done coding for like 4 days @ 16 hours so my brain doesn't want to read these < 1338604758 201861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{.(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%128])%768 < 1338604761 477946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 31.5 < 1338604764 123604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw a bunch of symbols and was like o, people be playing around eh? < 1338604770 926755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops < 1338604808 530539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily fixable, apparently :) < 1338604830 960614 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go slowrush hang in there!!! < 1338604831 972707 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604849 734878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skyscraper >>>>>>>>[((>[+[+[---[-[(+)*96(.+)*64{}]]]]])%21)*21](+)*12<(+)*80<(+)*40<(+)*10>>(+)*30<<(<(+)*10)*4>>>>>>([{(<)*7(-)*99(>)*8(>[(+)*19[---]])*21}<(+[{+(+[{(<(-)*60)*5<(+)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%100}](<(+)*40)*5<(-)*78(>)*12(>[(+)*19[-]])*17)%156])%768 < 1338604852 898551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_skyscraper: 34.8 < 1338604856 747206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better :) < 1338604892 142225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it work a bit better against dreadnought and space_elevator < 1338604896 593794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a nicely generic fix, I hope < 1338604915 847682 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you guys are just throwing the symbols in a random number generator anymore < 1338604918 285326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338604921 519141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get around to fixingspace elevator < 1338604935 463153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was space_elevator ever #1? I can't remember < 1338604937 59705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1338604944 752960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you be fixing it for? modern strategy? < 1338604959 732444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a great decoy build butit clears too slow to win < 1338604971 712058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :somainnly fixing the rush part < 1338604988 267799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the simple clear loops are the best < 1338604995 921846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338605006 401248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll be glad to hear that skyscraper is probably the best moderately good program that sacrifices short tape lengths < 1338605018 65213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was your strategy, IIRC < 1338605023 546542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, first moderately good < 1338605035 702648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338605042 563310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was indeed < 1338605045 319482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it? < 1338605052 374880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sacrifice them just to get a head start, though; it sacrifices them to give more space to build decoys < 1338605055 364581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule of12? < 1338605061 674988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a rule of 12 in there < 1338605072 705916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it detects a short tape, it switches to omega_turtle < 1338605084 550682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only sacrificing short tapes it can't detect, which is typically 3 or 4 lengths < 1338605107 954155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is omega turtle < 1338605108 712386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule of 12 is because if it hasn't lost already, the tape is probably quite long < 1338605115 754765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a turtle with a very large offset < 1338605153 354537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new program but it is almost certainly too long < 1338605213 35922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if pastebinned? < 1338605223 638473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to add something to bfj language to make complex strategies smaller and clearer < 1338605239 752208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably obsoleteall currentstrategies < 1338605296 153781 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it doesn't change instruction size? < 1338605306 220764 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of macro compiler could be useful < 1338605318 220761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure what kind of directives you would quantify these with though < 1338605325 103068 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are patterns so i'm sure it's possible < 1338605404 321340 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros would be very useful. < 1338605444 780052 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the macros had submultipliers, it would be even better. < 1338605491 753333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: problem is the macros have to be expanded server-side < 1338605496 527031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work when you have very complex constructions < 1338605510 72645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with the existing repetition facilities is that they can be interpreted efficiently, without expansion < 1338605518 521795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egojoust expands them, which is why it's so slow) < 1338605529 245104 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memory consuming < 1338605692 223907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rages at sucralose_philip < 1338605697 923467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other programs based on it < 1338605729 51454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing strategy after four decoys makes all my strategy detection kind-of useless < 1338605849 863031 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, what's triplock3 doing that near to the bottom? < 1338605867 767559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: triplock3 is a simplified but less accurate triplock2 < 1338605872 924131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be doing somewhat worse than triplock2 < 1338605881 9583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everyone knows about triplocks nowadays < 1338605891 435322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think anyone else actually /uses/ them < 1338605921 467226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I'd forgotten that waterfall3 actually /deleted its own decoys/ in order to stop sucralose_philip changing strategy :) < 1338605982 369283 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting way to beat it < 1338606006 60685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338606013 571926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete your decoys, change your flag, and it falls off the end :) < 1338606036 299792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that affect its performance against other programs though? < 1338606050 489413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot, it only did it if it detected a turtle/philip < 1338606073 691083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 is pretty much made of special cases < 1338606075 912400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, i just read the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3 < 1338606076 580199 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1338606090 910458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /quite/ think it's the case that every program sent it down a different codepath < 1338606094 873319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it must have been quite close ;) < 1338606110 954525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I only wrote a couple of lines about slowpoke < 1338606117 679026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because waterfall3 really is that much more complex than slowpoke is < 1338606135 912490 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that it took so long for the ideas wrt: timing detection to show profit < 1338606155 35178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nice to see :) < 1338606163 980981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i never thought programs that complex would succeed < 1338606183 64972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game has stayed interesting longer than i figured on < 1338606184 189433 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338606195 50966 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's way too annoying to actually participate in now haha < 1338606204 181806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, you still have programs on the hill < 1338606210 507014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just try some simple programs and see what sticks < 1338606211 571245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ < 1338606224 788424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_first_program_ever [>[-]+] < 1338606224 903953 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's not as interesting ;) < 1338606225 54721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“the freaking novel you wrote on waterfall3” – URL, please. :-) < 1338606228 3619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_the_first_program_ever: 9.3 < 1338606231 161306 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606238 422171 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the wiyki < 1338606241 613623 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed the page < 1338606246 226488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks < 1338606247 960807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 and scroll down a bit < 1338606257 869156 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankes. < 1338606258 199141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop when you reach the wall of text < 1338606261 989315 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. < 1338606269 911125 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of updating the language < 1338606277 853297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first program ever doesn't do to well nowadays < 1338606279 580293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be one thing that was enabled by the better interpreter < 1338606281 413528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1338606288 466426 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat common < 1338606296 712133 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically setting up nested loops to operate as conditionals < 1338606305 448202 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a waste of memory and they never get processed < 1338606307 599683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338606309 205158 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just get used as ifs < 1338606323 534509 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it would be fair to add something like an if-not-zero < 1338606337 178281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since theoretically you can accomplish the same by nesting a bunch of loops to ridiculous length < 1338606337 795566 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1338606340 480826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I strongly considered an alternative BF Joust where doing that was banned in order to make defence more interesting < 1338606342 831147 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make programs simpler to read etc. < 1338606353 804053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly oppose the idea of adding an if construct < 1338606364 734136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underlying language is still pure BF in bf joust now and it should stay that way IMO < 1338606374 30624 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i just pointed out < 1338606380 198534 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply a convenience < 1338606385 789212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like the % and * loops < 1338606391 241045 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't alter the language any < 1338606398 826350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a lot heavier a layer than a simple repetition system < 1338606407 784254 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to make possible "larger" programs < 1338606418 395293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.. it basically IS a simple repetition system < 1338606423 320809 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start a loop that i don't expect to end" < 1338606434 102877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "a ifnonzero(b) c" is a[bc]c but unfortunately, that doesn't abbreviate to anything, not even using % < 1338606436 56887 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am only gonna write the first character, you can just assume the last one is there" < 1338606458 87971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's quite common for b never to return, in which case if and while are equivalent < 1338606475 217941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about the failure case < 1338606476 23671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338606505 188913 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, it would be nice to make things more readable < 1338606530 37563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that at least one program of mine, I was going to do that but it didn't fit into size limits, so I had to be more BFy < 1338606544 302168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note: if you had arbitrary control structures, you'd never use the tape for computation ever < 1338606555 707964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, generally you don't /anyway/, but waterfall3 does) < 1338606558 27787 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size limits are merely practical, not theoretical ;p < 1338606577 688483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the tape for computation is awkward because the opponent has a tendency of scribbling on it < 1338606583 568504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can safely do it /behind/ the opponent < 1338606626 302131 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1338606630 494410 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize this is rather off the wall < 1338606636 71886 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) number lines < 1338606643 950652 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) provide a mechanism for "if not zero, goto" < 1338606646 500233 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) only goto forwards < 1338606674 119985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we making a new game in the spirit of bfjoust < 1338606674 801514 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338606677 979322 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1338606686 816854 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just talking about notation differences that might make it rather easier to read < 1338606695 61468 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea here is that things of the form < 1338606695 309470 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a joust with a new language < 1338606705 611597 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has yet to become self aware < 1338606740 89323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i should just write explanations before i offer ideas < 1338606740 793704 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338606760 391570 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a][b][c] isn't what i was trying to address < 1338606769 399272 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess actually < 1338606779 803977 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a[b[c]]] can also be covered by that case < 1338606789 117323 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the need is for a time penalty of the appropriate amount of cycles < 1338606812 989538 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is calculable < 1338606819 610027 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure this would really clean anything up much < 1338606819 682623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time penalty" would be fatal to programming < 1338606825 226385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes you vulnerable to triplocking < 1338606827 443263 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'time penalty' i mean ]]]] < 1338606835 835401 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't get processed as if it was ] < 1338606863 489738 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what am i even talking about, we don't indend to end/loop with this < 1338606869 400780 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sick, i will just be quiet ;) < 1338606911 720312 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no relevance to bfjoust. but i can see that the nice thing about the bfjoust page on the esolang wiki is it's the sort of thing that could show up as a paperback at a flea market. < 1338606937 466217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338606998 564831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the sort of text someone could just pick up and read .. with an introductory chapter explaining what brainfuck is and what bfjoust is < 1338607005 964087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: btw, you should link to a specific version of the file < 1338607008 592303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the other links do < 1338607012 666849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the strategies page < 1338607017 173892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it falls of the hill or gets changed < 1338607024 806596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it gets changed, then you can update the link when you update the description, ofc) < 1338607027 523014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1338607032 820536 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regret fucking with slowrush < 1338607036 311463 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607060 236549 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after wix stopped fucking with wiggle3 < 1338607062 130710 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The file link is to the most recent version, do you mean the animation version? < 1338607063 8144 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year later i was like < 1338607065 59298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA I GET THE LAST WORD < 1338607069 890081 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tweaked the constants < 1338607074 401414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: not latest, that's the point < 1338607077 629499 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't really help so i put em back < 1338607079 414421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/80f20eeecd87/ais523_slowpoke.bfjoust < 1338607079 940574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1338607080 475529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/david_werecat_dreadnought.bfjoust < 1338607086 457236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter breaks when it falls off the hill < 1338607088 441582 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's not technically an uninterrupted run since... god i have no idea when < 1338607094 536550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former doesn't (it points to a specific version and will never change) < 1338607115 338829 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I'll change that. < 1338607191 300219 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I don't think dreadnought is going to be knocked off anytime soon. < 1338607206 391239 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might well be changed though ;p < 1338607217 687586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>([(+)*24[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*23[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*22[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*21[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*20[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*19[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*18[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*17[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*16[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*15[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*14[-{[+++[+++]]}>([(+)*13[-{[+++[+++]]}>]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256]])%256)*-1 < 1338607220 701919 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 15.8 < 1338607229 949919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there you go, the strategy which I believe beats all defence strategies < 1338607243 444461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not do very well < 1338607251 777647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really the point < 1338607254 786525 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1338607264 663467 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes an interesting counterexample? < 1338607268 766091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't tuned to beat attack strategies /at all/ < 1338607274 132103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, it's meant to trivialise the game < 1338607281 260918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338607286 20077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the problem is there's too many attack programs on the hill < 1338607288 242694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1338607293 646331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not try it with one of your warriors? < 1338607300 405567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it loses to the waterfalls < 1338607303 270988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks why < 1338607392 510178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, typo < 1338607427 500722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe not < 1338607577 399328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338607583 576310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338607586 804359 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 13.9 < 1338607593 633188 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338607669 761862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats anticipation, defend9.75, triplock2/3, waterfall2/3 < 1338607674 451943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :various other assorted programs too < 1338607691 737809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/doesn't/ beat vibration, because it needs a separate countervibrate and I didn't bother to add one, but doing that is simple enough < 1338607728 10684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the base program for that is the standard (>)*8(>[-])*21, btw, it just has a much more complex clear loop) < 1338607747 968167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a two-cycle offset clear, except against defence) < 1338607769 38879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defence is detected via a 100% reliable mechanism < 1338607800 103255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the opponent /must/ be changing their flag value during the clear in order for it to be detected) < 1338607819 990464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the different numbers on the offset clear are to beat anticipation < 1338607869 362019 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what anticipation does < 1338607879 535653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it anticipates? ;p < 1338607893 622287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets its flag to nonzero the cycle /after/ the opponent zeroes it < 1338607898 256337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by measuring the opponent's timings < 1338607905 149170 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338607912 85396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this puts it into its anti-vibration loop (because it would, wouldn't it?) < 1338607922 323604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it uses a counter-anti-vibration lock < 1338607940 4605 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an anti-counter-vibrating-furry-leather-strapon lock-and-chain < 1338607952 200562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like what Gregor would come up with :) < 1338608025 336682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to add this to skyscraper, but come to think of it, there's no real need < 1338608030 327562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyscraper detects defence well enough as it is < 1338608084 287931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608087 395482 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 21.0 < 1338608091 944052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put some decoys in there, give it a chance < 1338608103 182487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>++++++)*4(>-----)*4(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608106 388173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 23.5 < 1338608172 339380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*23([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*22([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*21([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*20([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*19([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*18([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*17([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*16([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*15([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*14([-{[+++[+++]]}>(+)*13([-{[+++[+++]]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608175 248742 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608178 628154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338608201 786549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#8, just below space_elevator < 1338608205 309589 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's looking impressive < 1338608248 14917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 999 instead of -1, out of curiosity? < 1338608258 401050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has to be a finite number higher than 256 < 1338608269 949851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why finite? < 1338608273 574046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted to avoid multiples of 256 due to weird coincidences < 1338608279 942326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the time at which it breaks out of the original clear loop < 1338608283 696002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moves onto the counterdefend loop < 1338608292 302684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :([+++[+++]] in this example) < 1338608318 857533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608331 759623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 999 a bit big, because of the cycle limi? < 1338608333 797374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*limit < 1338608348 739588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get anywhere near the cycle limit, which is 10000 < 1338608352 252386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe it will < 1338608356 435973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not seeing timeout draws < 1338608362 8864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's 100000, not 10000 < 1338608364 567264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, nowhere near < 1338608373 839332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338608430 644449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608433 658877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608440 756404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that'd be equivalent, and it's shorter < 1338608543 468397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an uncreative name :p < 1338608574 689339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/dcIN < 1338608578 44103 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.7 < 1338608581 267262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1338608582 783742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*24([-{[+++]}>(+)*23([-{[+++]}>(+)*22([-{[+++]}>(+)*21([-{[+++]}>(+)*20([-{[+++]}>(+)*19([-{[+++]}>(+)*18([-{[+++]}>(+)*17([-{[+++]}>(+)*16([-{[+++]}>(+)*15([-{[+++]}>(+)*14([-{[+++]}>(+)*13([-{[+++]}>])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999])%999)*-1 < 1338608585 883564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 39.9 < 1338608592 401594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drops /that far/ if I add a simple antishudder? < 1338608623 487690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1338608631 433711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338608634 534124 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.1 < 1338608634 870173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo, again < 1338608673 253318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that antishudder from waterfall3; it's a bit long, but it's tried and tested < 1338608707 892488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338608708 470033 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338608715 880300 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, 2.7 points away from 5th place. < 1338608744 11581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it loses to counterpoke < 1338608761 784869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should try using that as the clear loop in an existing good program or something < 1338608783 895109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it < 1338608795 356154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my recent existing good programs would benefit from it < 1338608809 994139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick someone else's! < 1338608811 875001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps counterpoke < 1338608820 177257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game hasn't had enough modification and blending of other people's programs for ages < 1338608827 476380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the amazing score here doesn't seem to be due to the clear loop < 1338608840 322234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you said it was a drop-in to another program < 1338608843 985413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I suggested that < 1338608845 924311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a simple fast rush program which doesn't have to worry about defence < 1338608892 415653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop (>+++)*4(>---)*4((-)*20<)*4((+)*20<)*4(+)*30(>)*8(>(+)*19[-])*21 < 1338608895 538906 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 38.1 < 1338608900 697441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I mean? < 1338608919 116666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop < < 1338608921 645350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1338608922 176351 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence_with_a_normal_clear_loop: 0.0 < 1338608926 986837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misinterpreted me though < 1338608932 878780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not mean s/dtd's clear loop/someone else's/ < 1338608942 890345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1338608959 476755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else's program =~ s/clear loop/dtd's clear loop/ < 1338608960 642128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21 but the problem is that you can just drop its clear loop into something else < 1338608965 838205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338609006 429821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's also important that the 999 is not even approximately divisible by 256 < 1338609014 217945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can create a modified anticipation to beat it < 1338609034 340547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…999 is sort-of divisble by 256, isn't it < 1338609035 133849 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you just want something relatively prime with a large step < 1338609044 646540 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like corewars bomb steps < 1338609067 68876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/UgLO < 1338609068 476499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pick the number least divisible by 256 < 1338609070 356588 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 32.6 < 1338609076 14020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do wrong there? < 1338609084 49661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NIFA < 1338609085 208467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill effects < 1338609087 414440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 40.4 < 1338609091 297479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338609094 803754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that large of hill effects < 1338609103 310838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that was scoring 41 earlier, hill effects have pushed it down to 40 < 1338609145 548712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be winning just by out-decoying everyone else < 1338609180 805798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind-of vulnerable to pokes, though < 1338609222 24302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that'll just mean more points for counterpoke :D < 1338609306 426136 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going for the triforce of bfjoust < 1338609318 984901 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'll form the head! < 1338609337 783259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we need yr scoring system btw < 1338609354 911968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does it really beat every defence strategy? < 1338609363 763673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338609367 75969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know of, at least < 1338609370 212566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338609371 758913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1338609381 669456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything that relies on locks that only work against one type of clear loop, it beats < 1338609432 889000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does it do it < 1338609505 409855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/XUOQ < 1338609508 625122 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.4 < 1338609512 255267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying out something that skips zeros < 1338609513 722734 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1338609513 795018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1338609543 499754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it beats it by changing strategy after a clear has failed for too long < 1338609624 153532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338609627 605955 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338609631 713703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaks for very long tapes < 1338609668 522697 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[..+++++------] is very distinctive looking :) < 1338609686 27941 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like LASERS PEW PEW < 1338609687 172976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: it's an anti-shudder < 1338609695 410076 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, death_to_defense is looking very nice < 1338609698 261982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.. i invented them! ;p < 1338609700 540352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :52.1? yow < 1338609704 704221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen < 1338609707 460799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not up into the 70s < 1338609714 242805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically a good old-fashioned slow rush program < 1338609727 754854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a 2pass decoy setup (the first 2/3 of 3pass) < 1338609738 471423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: less than .5 before you're at #4 < 1338609741 611038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :score, I mean < 1338609759 887277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though be careful of over-fitting...) < 1338609775 591416 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Gregor take back 3rd place...? < 1338609798 455475 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably shifting scores? < 1338609803 139655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: probably as a result of hill effects caused by new programs < 1338609813 667581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the good poke programs beat death_to_defence < 1338609822 504010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to put some sort of antipoking in, I guess < 1338610053 876894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/AdUJ < 1338610057 123642 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 51.0 < 1338610057 289055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll probably drop the score < 1338610063 751925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by much, it seems < 1338610081 51308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610084 323375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't give it any new wins, anyway < 1338610084 489339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610087 641113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really worth doing < 1338610157 866710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/cMiQ < 1338610161 89020 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 45.8 < 1338610164 490676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338610166 211445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610168 869212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worth a try < 1338610169 521177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610230 991728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtd and counterpoke have most (all?) of the programs covered between them < 1338610370 182320 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys, ais523_undermine, atehwa_test_blah and david_werecat_juggernaut beat both of them < 1338610378 952895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1338610397 331618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…how does undermine beat death_to_defence? I'll have to check < 1338610434 316600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is surprisingly hard to beat with a good program, you need at least four decoys to be competitive nowadays :) < 1338610488 710403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems undermine simply does it with tripwire avoidance < 1338610601 467894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/gZUM < 1338610602 681325 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 14.8 < 1338610604 878650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 49.8 < 1338610613 249257 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338610623 418333 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wat?!' < 1338610626 354041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it got worse < 1338610652 86194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying something experimental < 1338610668 196319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/NiFH < 1338610671 322777 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 47.8 < 1338610722 323766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/WSZF < 1338610725 727505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 41.2 < 1338610742 719621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll stop that < 1338610748 34248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust death_to_defence http://sprunge.us/Rbdi < 1338610751 540843 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_death_to_defence: 52.1 < 1338610771 991386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was adding in some tripwire avoidance, but it didn't help against enough and hurt against lots more) < 1338610820 790475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend7 http://sprunge.us/BTjd < 1338610823 963935 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend7: 11.8 < 1338610827 5421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how it works nowadays < 1338610829 542278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: not very well < 1338610864 180382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend5 http://sprunge.us/DVdY < 1338610867 398779 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend5: 10.5 < 1338610875 873446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when your name wasn't autoprefixed < 1338610893 653692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad day to be a defence program < 1338610895 192045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1338610936 280684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripstridewire (>)*9[(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*13[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*11[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*9[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*7[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*5[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*3[[+]]]>>[>(-----[+]>)*1[[+]]]>[[+]]>[[+]] < 1338610939 504035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_tripstridewire: 20.4 < 1338610939 587043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying some old programs again < 1338610943 564334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if they even touch the hill < 1338610945 133727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one did < 1338610995 153976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't remember < 1338610995 515503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338611000 162884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338611001 281760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just added programs without any name prefix < 1338611005 101464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust speedy1 >>>>>>>>>(-[+[+[---]]]>)*21 < 1338611007 153818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we started prefixing our names manually < 1338611008 207653 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_speedy1: 20.1 < 1338611008 456094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid conflicts < 1338611009 606516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1338611010 978365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that before or after the hill was upside-down? < 1338611018 250967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much before < 1338611021 753486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first few days or week or so < 1338611040 49062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems we're not facing hill effects really; the programs have just got /that/ much better < 1338611213 108961 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be possible to get an archive of all the old programs from the repository? < 1338611331 555437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill is kept in hg < 1338611335 623011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338611336 257378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338611341 756681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/ < 1338611366 653383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/shortlog/9a683e7e8d50 the beginning < 1338611394 627263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/rev/45eec5187d79 people named them like this < 1338611405 12446 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for the link < 1338611409 173745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you might have started the "nick_program" thing < 1338611415 187573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: np < 1338611449 278933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_vff_experimental >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127(--++)*2500[[[>[---]+]+]+] < 1338611452 311635 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_ais523_vff_experimental: 21.1 < 1338611455 177844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1338611591 423667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust < 1338611591 506283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -42 < 1338611591 578822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust wins. < 1338611592 919247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no fair < 1338611625 517330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vibration_fool_fast :) < 1338611640 594871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's a defence program, what did you /expect/ to happen? < 1338611660 408541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds flexible timer clear to the wiki < 1338611712 440534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in future, the main use of defensive elements will be for things like skyscraper < 1338611728 951927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which feel like a defence program, but doesn't use any sort of lock (although it /does/ use a tripwire) < 1338611904 690238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, BF Joust lives another day? < 1338611916 138909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: david_werecat_juggernaut.bfjoust vs elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjous t<><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< 2elliott_ais523_vff_experimental.bfjoust wins. < 1338611922 306207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hopelessly broken, just shallower than I'd like < 1338611925 427543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, death_to_defence is probably notable enough for a description even if it hasn't gotten to #1 < 1338611938 722669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put its main strategy on the wiki in the strategies section < 1338611944 737731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell G. that BF Joust is still being innovated on today :) < 1338611949 800161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one that doesn't really matter < 1338611952 457350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can if you like < 1338611957 202634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your code block is broken < 1338611978 381817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's intentional, if you mean the line of non-codeblock in it < 1338611989 475399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't code < 1338612006 678621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly < 1338612192 363590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a wiki, if there's a formatting you'd prefer that isn't misleading you can fix it < 1338612231 399934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im laze < 1338612340 209001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that no defense programs are simple (the very nature of a defensive strategy makes this so)" < 1338612341 554343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote this < 1338612343 907890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of stupid < 1338612361 412616 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1338612368 664504 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't mean the strategy is simple < 1338612368 912687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1338612371 512252 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the implementation < 1338612375 41599 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is certainly true < 1338612377 310785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all the defence concepts are as simple as attack concepts < 1338612388 803259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that you need complex implementations to be effective in practice -- but the same applies to attack too < 1338612388 907633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't say the strategy is simple < 1338612391 916879 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said the *programs* are < 1338612398 624806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's the parenthical that's wrong then < 1338612402 688377 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338612408 887351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but plenty of defence programs are simple, they're just bad too; same as attack) < 1338612416 860293 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of a defensive *strategy* makes defense *programs* complex < 1338612422 144259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1338612442 787593 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone would count shudder-class programs as "defensive" even though that's technically true < 1338612453 866381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would < 1338612455 596016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible to write effective attack programs much more simply than equally effective defense programs < 1338612457 819183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, so does the article < 1338612462 734047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338612464 186890 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1338612474 420397 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying, i took the meaning of the sentence and it makes sense to me :) < 1338612494 292984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still disagree :P < 1338612503 284567 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to! < 1338612661 247931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: leave vff_experimental on the leaderboard, btw < 1338612671 646823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to < 1338612679 641710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beating dreadnought is just too hilarious < 1338612753 556959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only by the smallest of margins that doesn't involve a draw < 1338612935 973912 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that anti-triplock is still causing suicides off the tape... < 1338613139 281617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working around triplocks can be awkward if you haven't had practice < 1338613236 351924 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, especially since I have 13 brackets in a row < 1338613272 632173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried double bracketing the main clear loop, but it hurts the score. < 1338613304 861527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lazy way, which is just to, just after the place in your code where a cell is cleared, put a > then copy your entire attack loop there < 1338613416 42787 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I tried. I'm still working out a better way to do that. < 1338613532 489557 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338613532 855791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613559 439007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sing < 1338613559 548105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613563 234292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1338613589 409640 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338613589 642293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613599 609617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ring < 1338613599 722678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613601 531648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1338613604 420617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338613604 602230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613611 811377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hang < 1338613612 224370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613616 91012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338613624 418491 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elng < 1338613624 667997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613625 33386 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@null < 1338613625 772014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell url < 1338613627 664003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ellg < 1338613627 736240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@iong < 1338613627 878425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list < 1338613627 981302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613631 603603 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lolg < 1338613632 76440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613632 510664 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338613642 155536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pynge < 1338613642 323447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613678 114946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bling < 1338613678 557061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338613691 270889 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@strin < 1338613691 519709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613692 538705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@string < 1338613692 787279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613702 540208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@boing < 1338613702 760722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: join ping < 1338613728 459750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613728 997712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613730 22071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join ping < 1338613730 946536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ping' < 1338613734 379040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1338613746 86130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list-all < 1338613746 266508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1338613747 55960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fliszt < 1338613747 167388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613761 750978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@f.liszt < 1338613762 148493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 280269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@telemarketer < 1338613763 461397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613763 891173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613764 365719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613765 13169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@papaya < 1338613765 180329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 549383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cadmium < 1338613767 802440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613767 964942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, got it < 1338613771 448685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@li‌st < 1338613771 953985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338613779 795324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "@li‌st" < 1338613780 871635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1338613781 18260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1338613787 677068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613787 842511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613797 882557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems lambdabot ignores stray BOMs, but not stray zwnjs < 1338613799 71954 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1338613799 172744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1338613815 885966 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/af8efaef/save.php?hash=56c3bf21ce6661a6bc28e93a41a73e7c < 1338613819 662354 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.1 < 1338613829 355050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613829 685616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613836 8621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust HI ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>- < 1338613836 660714 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, better anti-triplock for +3 < 1338613838 678076 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_HI: 10.7 < 1338613891 328966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: draw with skyscraper? < 1338613892 728938 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lol (-)*127 < 1338613895 794512 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for myndzi_lol: 11.0 < 1338613913 885964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi < 1338613914 475536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338613920 315657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust myndzi myndzi < 1338613922 850403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_myndzi: 7.9 < 1338613930 529725 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seems that way < 1338613949 361409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the losses are counterpoke, omega_turtle, and waterfall3 < 1338613966 41839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidious wasn't likely to stay beating it for long < 1338614012 111374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: lol presumably works better than a nop only against turtles? < 1338614025 575945 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might update juggernaut with this code too... < 1338614031 535456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno :) < 1338614055 670078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be some reason why flag at 1 beats flag at 128 < 1338614065 391729 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1338614076 329173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that ignores or decoys the first nonzero < 1338614083 188972 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just overwrites it without noticing maybe < 1338614092 110604 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or isn't specifically designed to attack 128 < 1338614099 131579 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a little luck ;) < 1338614131 742258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be zeroing the cell in order to distinguish 1 from 128 < 1338614151 170510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid winning at that point, it'd have to unzero it again the next cycle < 1338614181 367523 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1338614188 954914 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's plenty of-- around < 1338614189 323251 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614195 896283 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just curious what would happen < 1338614215 377902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid_vibration >(+-)*-1 < 1338614220 499815 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_stupid_vibration: 6.5 < 1338614228 84575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than a NOP :) < 1338614256 643600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338614283 854805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, challenge: write a program that beats exactly one other program on exactly one length and polarity (and loses to every other program on every length/polarity) < 1338614325 300184 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how about < 1338614343 28921 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, well nah < 1338614348 463577 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna make two programs ;) < 1338614352 108119 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then it's kinda hard < 1338614356 347671 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.< vs < lol < 1338614378 675339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one length is easy, but with polarity, not so easy < 1338614408 278245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614409 26734 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338614414 802640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](>)*1000 < 1338614417 917708 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614448 774749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's actually /beating/ some programs < 1338614454 677831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[>>>(-)*128](<)*1000 < 1338614457 731886 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 1.5 < 1338614465 283857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1338614474 19987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>-[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614477 267564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614509 152569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust marginally_wins >>>>>>--[(<)*1000]>>>(-)*128 < 1338614512 184492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_marginally_wins: 0.0 < 1338614526 104318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good score < 1338614532 136218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1338614539 154468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats counterpoke on length 12 kettle < 1338614549 839478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no other single-case wins anywhere < 1338614562 838916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :P < 1338614565 736968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't too hard to construct… < 1338614575 505884 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kettle'? < 1338614579 473784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty interesting given that it can't even flag-clear on length 12 kettle < 1338614582 689813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: non-reversed polarity < 1338614585 888388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed is sieve < 1338614588 211499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's names < 1338614590 207140 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok < 1338614607 548089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really reversed! < 1338614613 303273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both as normal as each other < 1338614623 718866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the opposite of what you wrote though < 1338614624 587941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need neutral names, like sieve, and kettle < 1338614628 934871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, kettle is reversed, I think < 1338614637 951062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's "sieve and kettle", "normal and reversed" < 1338614642 266571 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally just call em positive and negative < 1338614642 584957 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614648 461454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative = opposite of < 1338614651 290175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: that's really confusing < 1338614654 769242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works both ways round < 1338614659 93539 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you never took grade 1 math < 1338614671 428414 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1338614674 375994 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean *combinations*? < 1338614678 536699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338614682 287083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps re math < 1338614685 666471 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ v +, - v + < 1338614686 105358 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1338614688 552486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hours.*subtract < 1338614691 624288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698) Dinner? At two? It's four here already. See, UTC+2. You need to add a couple of hours. Or was that subtract? I can never get those straight. < 1338614699 594619 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what grade they taught the negative sign in < 1338614706 292576 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was early < 1338614706 705909 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338614710 782016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=2f375a1d0bc6000e54ea3e14763f90dd87b5888c&r=ee72388f6d3cd927ddb7762853c3b4275c920ec1&t=12 < 1338614715 961558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (-)*128 is completely irrelevant < 1338614726 38074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it affects the behaviour of some program, which is unlikely < 1338614742 619431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice fleeing < 1338617321 133052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338617983 293084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which calendar and year numbering do you like? * BC/AD * BCE/CE * Discordian * Stardate * Holocene * Tropical year * UNIX * Pax * International Fixed * Astronomical year numbering * Mayan long count * Chinese * ISO week date * < 1338617994 907129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unununium < 1338618165 394472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618349 862594 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1061/ < 1338618352 870205 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd do it. < 1338618409 62423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no way you don't know what I < 1338618412 555561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about < 1338618415 890671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338618452 243022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once promised that I'd modify an open-source script that was competing with my product, I never got around to it < 1338618456 619380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that soon < 1338618468 50953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person thought that I was reselling the open-source script, but I wasn't < 1338618536 618459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=discussions&ItemID=374979 click cancel < 1338618843 984357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338619055 232423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338620574 409173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of Earth Standard Time is too strange < 1338620723 584304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is funny < 1338621010 62373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338621053 867763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mathematics a lifeform? < 1338621056 624492 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's < 1338621099 368369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621174 950693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess nintendo games are more on my level than esolangs.. but i am studying how it actually works.. < 1338621260 377794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621268 921595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) Is mathematics a lifeform? zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's itidus20: I don't know. < 1338621723 268081 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338621735 598454 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1338625172 152809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625191 463517 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338625516 279474 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625569 264936 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#madrid < 1338625591 270638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome UN_MANITAS_MADRI < 1338625592 444044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338625594 653260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN_MANITAS_MADRI: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338625643 295273 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@162.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1338625648 111386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625664 207744 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338625930 361431 :UN_MANITAS_MADRI!~UN_MANITA@119.Red-80-27-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1338628462 43200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338629023 379098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looked for a secret base in a dream" http://oi46.tinypic.com/16leoo3.jpg < 1338629166 373311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Home of boiled cat" < 1338629269 123485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat that, fungot < 1338629269 823757 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i thought nne? fnord?) altitude info and whatnot... i gave up < 1338629284 389930 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win, fungot < 1338629285 8008 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i also seem to forget it. the reason member confused me is that i need < 1338629392 681012 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /clear < 1338629488 378196 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah.. i like that < 1338629495 777023 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like advertising a restaurant < 1338629515 54672 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the home of fried chicken < 1338629543 577446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main branch of a big chain of boiled cat restaurants < 1338629587 60647 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare fuel < 1338629685 433125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338629699 7606 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... < 1338629753 267288 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PART :#esoteric < 1338629772 439032 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language C/C++ Perl PHP Java/-Script brainfuck Engrish < 1338629792 887750 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1338629826 684960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its from the same website as the link to the home of the boiled cat < 1338629838 642349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am surprised to see brainfuck on the list though < 1338630046 924700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. i'm in nonsense mode < 1338630120 767213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630189 769724 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338630224 667062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338630309 766410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630322 752454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338630384 160138 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-242.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338630545 899959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no way these translations are remotely accurate < 1338630552 710993 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this guy is insane < 1338630692 707775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\' < 1338630707 666423 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1338630773 124616 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had come out a rainbow on my way home last Friday. I say it's large enough for the first time may not fit on the camera can see the both ends are rare." < 1338630860 871020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338630914 630198 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i'll try to wrap it up with "Yesterday was the end of student drinking in pairs. Grilled chicken pieces and a thorn bird of fear. Students are high 6,500 yen." < 1338631267 412982 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Made to seek good and quiet. It is the only resonance in trouble. What a little anxious Woonsocket" < 1338631315 324837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your matrix of woonsocketry < 1338631346 243645 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not good for my thinking < 1338631368 980482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's incredibly fun for my imagination < 1338631382 119180 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like drugs might be < 1338631453 400807 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this diary entry is titled "Idol collage which is made ​​by superimposing the photo of a celebrity's face on a pornographic image by using a computer [2008/11/01 00:44:00]" < 1338631520 262280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :warning: "hi" is frequently misinterpreted as a threat | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338631528 931032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1338631534 938914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1338631597 49215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hi < 1338631599 469699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) His body should be given to science. He's alive :P Even so. \ 9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 13) "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom \ 16) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1338631938 405014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice usability failure, they have a contact lens working as a camera and screen, and when it recognizes the face of an assassin he gets a message < 1338631940 180231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on his cell phone < 1338632017 480233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "usability"? not sure, but fail anyway < 1338632025 699410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :misfeature perhaps < 1338632365 880490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that they included simon pegg for comic relief though < 1338633146 206503 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633163 834288 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338633376 350911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: ouch < 1338633410 737488 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch? < 1338633417 786318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see topic < 1338633447 137562 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1338633508 120545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338633513 144959 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usualy read logs before i join the channel, but not today < 1338633706 557996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338633707 522755 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338633743 68787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been advancing the state of BF Joust < 1338633760 760813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat has been making programs that beat almost everything, I've been coming up with creative ways not to lose to them < 1338634235 140340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1338634440 687019 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a zero sum game, Nash equilibrium? < 1338634496 408182 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to define the problem to be solved < 1338634523 858433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a Nash equilibrium < 1338634620 781764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm far from an expert at Game Theory < 1338634647 631439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: a nash equilibrium is a set of strategies a game, where no single player can get better off by changing their strategy < 1338634652 679903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strategies for a game < 1338634653 556867 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know too < 1338634676 181019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, given that all the other players follow their plan, you should follow yours too < 1338634737 33541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338634742 349653 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but sometime is possible to exists a strategy to win all times, in same cases < 1338634890 631606 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the name of the game, something with 0 and 1, three in a line or more. I remember the one who start first and follow a 'plan' always win < 1338634979 149825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338634992 974307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338635000 376737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338635602 434981 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong but some constraint imposed by bf joust rules like number of cycles 100000, set of input chars, and aditional the lenght of the program could make possible to generate, brute force, a huge number of possible programs( strategies in our case) and select or at least analize them < 1338635687 444756 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will too many combination? < 1338635738 933804 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speculate in fact < 1338635780 920558 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see a interesting 'problem' i always look for a possible solution < 1338636927 996444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first bit of my computer arrived today < 1338637397 725718 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no feeling worse than needing to buy something, but being awake before the store is open. < 1338637633 89824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about waking up after it closes? < 1338637635 967173 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338637749 332148 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338637776 678630 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1338637788 267320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ssue < 1338637791 131632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338637821 787178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338637827 960559 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338637833 247471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You new? < 1338637838 352560 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338637845 532862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two questions: < 1338637849 847159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Hexham? < 1338637856 519288 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637863 691576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Finland? < 1338637867 100611 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338637870 500033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338637891 532624 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get into esolangs? < 1338637922 212975 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone's introduction < 1338637929 692720 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... in here < 1338638251 500547 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.41.120 PART :#esoteric < 1338638332 665419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome, anyway < 1338638446 208407 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank u < 1338638510 935115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite esoang? < 1338638544 761476 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1338638587 834593 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338638621 960284 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's made of "Hangul" characters < 1338638627 337393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1338638634 881150 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in Korean language, actually < 1338638635 727425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used that one < 1338638677 883303 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Piet < 1338638680 338691 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puzzlet.org/personal/wiki.php/%EC%95%84%ED%9D%AC~Specification here you can find more details < 1338638686 840073 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1338638697 804506 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html < 1338638824 112854 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1338638862 346430 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are the source code? < 1338638888 164991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code's in image form, indeed < 1338638894 97142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense to lex it as colours < 1338638904 609519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's ceased to be color-related by the time it's parsed) < 1338638935 36020 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-titgbmpebjttsybl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338639346 632215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott shaddup < 1338639346 812823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338639507 683329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338641751 396032 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338641783 100511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338641854 749495 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338643241 750561 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643281 706461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338643283 168302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338643329 303766 :ArchetypeAngel!~Angel@173-202-247-207.dyn.centurytel.net PART #esoteric :"Adios" < 1338643821 452988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338644890 197657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so the HIB Psychonauts binary is crashing with a floating point error and I can find no documentation of this anywhere else on the internet. < 1338644890 693165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338647545 140258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably it's dividing by zero < 1338647643 797480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using a number that is not zero < 1338647692 958275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1338647879 194792 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338647904 538286 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338648174 624055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so overwite the binary with 0xFF? < 1338648442 30785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you want, sure < 1338648454 933566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was about to download that but it's 4G < 1338648458 464214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait until later, I think < 1338648469 282704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I can better figure out space management and have a more reliable connection < 1338648517 24469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so liberating to have a hard drive that I'm basically never going to have to grub for space on. < 1338648533 369463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I was stuck on the family laptop and there was like 2G of free space. < 1338648662 893594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many games in the Bundle. I did a bit of LIMBO yesterday, and the intro of Bastion today, but haven't gotten to Psychonauts at all. < 1338648725 766311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That floating-point bug happens like right at the start of actual gameplay. < 1338648736 609524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion was good, if short. < 1338648747 378747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortness may come from my superfluous free time, though. < 1338648773 160771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the intro bit, I kinda-sorta suck at it, but that's what I do when it comes to anything at all actiony. < 1338648907 232453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent most of it alternating between mashing space and the mouse buttons with the machete and musket and running away and sniping with the machete's alt-fire thing. < 1338649128 714293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what space does, I've been playing it with a pad. < 1338649257 892338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evade. < 1338649307 424686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does that dodge thing which results in some good old Zelda-style "roll across the map" action. < 1338649329 775410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338649371 459881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338649620 966230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1338649695 330636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're A, B and X, respectively. Well, cross, circle and square physically, but it says "gamepad not detected" unless I enable the X360 controller fakery mode. < 1338650399 739009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Limbo port work well? < 1338650435 524980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just used the Steam versions. < 1338650821 231743 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/caab8d2c/save.php?hash=da1da4f0baff73448dd35a69484e9670 < 1338650824 149372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 71.4 < 1338651071 643373 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651086 385015 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338651524 88370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338651589 548507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338651602 40114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reached Axe Proficiency level 1! < 1338652141 353610 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338652375 848354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... looks like Taneb exercised his Axe Proficiency on his internet connection < 1338652449 128111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338653204 385614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Did you just win? < 1338653233 56535 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in first place for around 2 days now. < 1338653258 505951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. I tend not to check. < 1338655096 147150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 145029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655611 217548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338655611 217698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338655684 393540 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338655763 839772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338656503 171322 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338658026 327133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338658226 694932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338658411 485787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, some of these functions in Prelude.Generalize are too general to describe easily with my limited describing ability < 1338658720 882281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, well, it could be described as a generalize version of something else, giving some examples of the generalizations < 1338658736 808150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice and count right now < 1338658882 947092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those names are based on Parsec but for any Alternative < 1338658908 757641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the downside of never having used Parsec, heh < 1338658948 800704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type is too restrictive f should be Applicative rather than Alternative; I will fix that in next version. < 1338658954 409228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of very small changes I'd make, mostly using liftM instead of fmap in a couple of places to make the thingy smaller < 1338658964 805808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type restriction? < 1338658977 242021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the constraint < 1338658988 842428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was talking about too < 1338659030 776163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, (<>>=) and (>>==) don't have the Functor requirement < 1338659065 391505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, please put null next to unnull in the export list? < 1338659070 256980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just dislike that Functor is not a superclass of Monad < 1338659075 990380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK, I will move that too < 1338659117 222408 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor/Monad problem is a problem, but it's a problem < 1338659124 919192 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That made a lot more sense in my head < 1338659148 243528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem that exists, and the problem being fixed won't break anything < 1338659169 915626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved unnull/null in the export list and changed the constraint of count < 1338659301 237449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will upload the changes later today < 1338659493 564454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But show me what you have so far? < 1338659581 617468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just begun changing my style, because I'm indecisive and excessively terse < 1338659699 47555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hang on? < 1338659726 149455 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338659795 672968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: what did you change with that last sub? < 1338659811 774139 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of dreadnought? < 1338659838 652727 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I improved the anti-triplock code, which also made it much faster. < 1338659865 30474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the anti triplock code? < 1338659869 17567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :timer clear? < 1338659881 981041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey david_werecat fix psychonauts for me < 1338659904 220174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coldnt download it Phantom_Hoover < 1338659917 288457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the torrent. < 1338659919 436765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont have enough ram to run it anyway < 1338659921 528533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to use the torrent. < 1338659936 467563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the torrnent kept sayingpermissin denied from thewebseed < 1338659937 144760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even tells you when you click the direct download link, use the torrent. < 1338659938 584907 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-triplock is a dual nested loop that leads into a copy of the clear routine. < 1338659948 225498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why is option called option, rather than, eg., snocA? < 1338659965 638517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1338659975 885167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldnt download it by either method < 1338659978 689039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do you not have the ram to run a 7-year-old games. < 1338659980 666716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1338659988 523604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbook < 1338659994 840104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only got 1gig < 1338660030 284162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did computers normally have more ram than that in 2005? < 1338660037 269301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember < 1338660049 206258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows version onlyreqires 512mb < 1338660056 427445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all that wasavailable then < 1338660073 190892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your netbook also has a very unreliable spacebar. < 1338660081 430600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac and linux require 2gig < 1338660091 990138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my phonne space bar is teh suck < 1338660096 31608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got wet < 1338660111 817504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys near itdouble tap or dont tap sometimes too < 1338660272 597242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is called option simply because that is its name in Parsec. < 1338661073 798611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Giant_sperm_whale < 1338661086 192999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god I need to capture one of these. < 1338661097 127014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how, I am going to do this. At some point. Maybe. < 1338661806 4088 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338661868 438483 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338662123 780743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662184 352228 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662518 761398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662533 859214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338662683 966337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have done that. < 1338662694 140500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a link to the source? < 1338662827 880173 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:35:18] Taneb: I could add snocA as another name for the same thing if it is helpful < 1338662829 877346 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:36:19] Taneb [~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338662831 863152 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:41:53] zzo38, I would find it extremely helpful. < 1338662833 904040 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:42:08] OK < 1338662835 17819 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1338662835 932911 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:44:38] OK, I have done that. < 1338662846 101807 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid KVIrc < 1338662863 918490 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1338662865 716080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude the lines are right above, did you have to paste oh all right. < 1338663698 50989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338663733 671962 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEllo < 1338663947 673799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have added snocA, it is the same as option. < 1338663951 995409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338664342 722525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSI: < 1338664353 855927 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My god, there are bits in this image! Maybe it's a code?" < 1338664376 365358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so DF now has giant sperm whales. < 1338664388 819647 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to regular sperm whales? < 1338664389 55996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eight times the size of a fully-grown dragon. < 1338664399 629996 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH AMBERGRIS < 1338665003 987453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338665031 475428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there are, like, websites for that? < 1338665044 655641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338665050 186604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried < 1338665053 326196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard < 1338665075 79246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whilst conducting a financial transaction with a random stranger over IRC is easy. < 1338665102 863044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a stranger < 1338665110 176341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people in here are cool < 1338665199 525736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am genuinely curious whom you would trust to actually pay significant amounts of money. < 1338665247 553226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins, I heard they're only used by criminals for illegal things. < 1338665353 640852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like for buying drugs and I think assassinations? < 1338665375 729657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly fizzie < 1338665389 647860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't forget pretentious programmers! < 1338665397 850207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to buy an assassin < 1338665411 159845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pretentious programmer assassin. < 1338665424 2537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will sell me BTC for an assassin < 1338665445 201394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can I assassinate? < 1338665445 311543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the transaction does not go through, i send the assassin after you < 1338665455 892366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buttbuttinate. < 1338665459 660679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're going to send an assassin after everyone? < 1338665471 597096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just like that one Neil Gaiman short story! < 1338665546 749230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would trust ais to complete the transaction < 1338665550 82360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gregor < 1338665566 129221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are easily stalked by my assassin < 1338665596 661445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, OK I'm going to try a DF worldgen the same as previously except this time I will set the megabeast count to $ridiculous. < 1338665636 349098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or perhaps even to BTCridiculous? < 1338665656 137562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most ridiculous < 1338665656 210053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous. < 1338665668 348029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced lridiculous.) < 1338665924 783979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see how many cities get covered in ambergris < 1338666060 910493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, fun fact: children born to members of hostile civs in your fort have a 50/50 chance of being on your side from some reason. < 1338666070 679082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1338666093 781423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be exploitable to use elf children as cannon fodder. < 1338666117 416522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CAPTURE THE PREGNANT FEMALES! HALF OF THERE OFFSPRING SHALL BE /OURS/" < 1338666138 221570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll even fight with their parents and siblings. < 1338666156 310242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found this out because I was playing Fortress Defence and some of the added civs breed like crazy. < 1338666159 924850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with meaning agaist here, I presume? < 1338666173 441201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338666189 326046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to alongside < 1338666211 939771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I used prisoners for target practice they actually did pretty well when given fire support. < 1338666227 475866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, challenge: make a fortress populated entirely by elves < 1338666230 832905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could clear out the jail given time. < 1338666246 625979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you can't give them orders or anything and ISTR that they don't play nicely with dorfs. < 1338666253 542330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1338666271 862992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't engineer a Cacame, which is a bit sad. < 1338666306 247164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, these days non-dorf migrants are possible, since they don't all grow from spores right outside the boundaries of your embark zone,. < 1338666893 993119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338666984 841417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:59: if you have a strategy that always wins, that's a nash equilibrium for you, no matter what your opponent is planning, as you can't be any better off than winning < 1338666984 951820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:12: and it's a nash equilibrium for them too, as they can't do any better than losing < 1338666984 952025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:03:20: so you have a nash equilibrium altogether < 1338666985 24366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338666991 745298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems trivial it's not, then < 1338667001 820486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia no < 1338667001 972757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338667028 469147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:03:07: I think "aheui" made by puzzlet is my best favourite < 1338667031 731628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, isn't that lifthrasiir? < 1338667190 784975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:23:23: anyone here have any BTC i can buy? < 1338667199 388596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338667347 904226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338667350 966956 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ouch- < 1338667405 12208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse < 1338667458 995958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be the Microsoft Windows 8 team, writing in Visual J# < 1338667961 590458 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338667964 681740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/u8fe6/response_to_conduit_bugs/ < 1338668050 982924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 "The yesod team is trying to provide a PHP solution for web development, written in haskell." < 1338668053 485621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that guy is a troll < 1338668098 876858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's shitting over that entire thread (ok, the thread is mostly shit to start with) with anti-yesod nonsense to the point that even the writer of the conduit bugs post says he's misinterpreting him < 1338668139 966664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he might have been the person who made that big stink about Yesod on Hacker News a while ago, too (it annoys me that I know this solely because it got on /r/haskell for some godforsaken reason) < 1338668222 929098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:12 processing data without loading it all into memory is still an open, controversial problem in Haskell :/ < 1338668227 125922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is kind of unfair < 1338668240 469019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to do that, just use regular, strict handle IO, the same as you would in any other language < 1338668258 566711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and anyway when you're dealing with something like a socket "loading it all into memory" isn't an option, because it's streaming, so that's not really the problem being solved) < 1338668287 543852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of unfair but kind of fair too < 1338668294 730556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1338668391 740199 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleaving strict handle IO with your logic is a lot more awkward in Haskell than other languages < 1338668417 817182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pushes your code further from nice idiomatic Haskell < 1338668462 827945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the enumeratoritataritaratee drama is relevant to the high level question of "can you do webdev / whatever nicely in idiomatic Haskell" < 1338668469 836647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::kmc: What do you mean by that, exactly? < 1338668481 892782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "interleaving strict handle IO with your logic" mean? < 1338668550 917940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure it's awkward, but it's still possible. < 1338668553 260681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means every piece of code is an IO action and is like "do { computeFoo; x <- readMoreShit; computeBar x }" < 1338668562 273381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's, e.g. less awkward than C because of all the concerns you don't have to worry about. < 1338668566 683811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But more awkward than Python or whatever.) < 1338668585 592016 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"better than C for webdev" < 1338668586 336433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, finished that megabeast-infested world. < 1338668589 50628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a high bar you've set elliott < 1338668591 361929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes! < 1338668593 191094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a total shithole, it seems. < 1338668596 484882 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's it like? < 1338668599 207328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not as if processing streaming data is all *that* relevant to web dev. < 1338668603 226321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't need file uploads. < 1338668605 598542 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1338668617 29482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not trying to be the "Haskell is broken, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS" guy < 1338668620 643700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the most common cause of death seems to be werebeast. < 1338668622 833329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I don't really think the argument is very relevant, but that's mostly because I have a strong position on it :) < 1338668627 907141 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think this is pretty important < 1338668632 295029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your strong position < 1338668635 92028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like inner-city Glasgow < 1338668653 2514 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of tasks which are much easier in Haskell than other languages < 1338668657 939807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also some which are much harder < 1338668670 233748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I get the impression that basically everyone's either dead from megabeasts, dead from werebeasts, or a werebeast. < 1338668670 649786 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go eat lunch now though < 1338668671 645696 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1338668688 310274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does every piece of code need to be IO action? I find that doesn't need like that at all < 1338668707 969562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ttly"!? < 1338668714 751980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta-ta you later? < 1338668757 64482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some library that's supposed to make Webdev in C++ nice? < 1338668761 573736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it C, I forget) < 1338668779 425821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: PHP is written in C, iirc < 1338668791 851169 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-127-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338668794 56181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt < 1338668807 480270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does that count as making it "nice"? < 1338668828 370470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is "interleaving strict handle IO"? < 1338668925 613038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:23 what's your strong position < 1338668970 867734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Tekmo a lot more than Snoyman (although I think both of them approach the argument terribly making it essentially fruitless), but I also don't think Tekmo's solution is all that good :P < 1338668981 119687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disagreeing with everyone is usually the best position. < 1338669002 165347 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1338669004 463428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeing with everyone must mean that you're the only one who's right < 1338669020 895781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1338669033 247743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i disagree with everyone too < 1338669121 797191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'd be stupid < 1338669241 867555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes, but unfortunately it seems you have to agree with either me or Taneb about whether or not you can disagree with everyone < 1338669259 494652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no he doesn't < 1338669266 671646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could take a third option < 1338669305 599390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which third option? < 1338669325 670715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, but it's not stupid" < 1338669476 690003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news from Sweden: "Boy and grandfather seriously injured" < 1338669517 457502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they weren't < 1338669523 484828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least the cannibal drug has disappeared from reporting < 1338669620 138955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it hasn't < 1338669670 282537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am glad you agree < 1338669741 801005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I < 1338669843 296525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written the "dvi-processing" package which use IO and non-IO together and it doesn't need every piece of code to be an IO action like your example code above, and I don't think any program needs to be like that < 1338670162 47546 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338670298 405911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338670479 944695 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338671136 685793 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A18D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671542 806573 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338671829 723849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1338673581 813908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to write a quick thing in Racket, but I need formatting directives, and it seems like a bit of a pain < 1338674377 495959 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338675390 263885 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675439 957996 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675472 885324 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338675540 494165 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Hybris < 1338675543 707263 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hybris: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338675610 145624 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's what this is. Like brainfuck? < 1338675649 550249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338675676 391135 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338675710 436966 :Hybris!~frans@82.211.197.125 QUIT :Quit: Well, not for me. Enjoy yourselves. < 1338675845 944785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im enjoying myself < 1338676190 297902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1338676201 112508 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338676231 916400 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676253 319509 :Alheris!~sven@tmo-102-246.customers.d1-online.com QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet? < 1338676314 77724 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338676878 457028 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338676878 978089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676885 235100 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338676889 916324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1338676890 95333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338676898 51047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really should say "dong". < 1338676923 693012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Haha, you said 'dong'." Okay, maybe not.) < 1338677010 431200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1338677010 611778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677012 825051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dong < 1338677013 35641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: do docs ping < 1338677095 508857 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@plng < 1338677096 442335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677103 271942 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pmng < 1338677103 894357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677107 182989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a bad thing < 1338677129 87784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally caused my gf to start focusing more on LSL than on Haskell < 1338677133 88835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1ng < 1338677133 278237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677134 691605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 31337. < 1338677143 957516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tink < 1338677144 68411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@91ng < 1338677144 530851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677148 127873 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, dahell < 1338677149 75304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tink < 1338677149 262766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: kind ping time < 1338677151 900986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1338677175 878605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@p1n6 < 1338677176 157917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338677182 469166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hell elliott I'M GIVING YOU HELL < 1338677182 747034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: help tell < 1338677185 996220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1338677191 128224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338677204 73585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. Sadly 91n6 is one typo too many. < 1338677316 655461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@73ll f1zz13 ur s0 1337 h4x0r < 1338677316 796501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338677342 384128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nightmare < 1338677342 562592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338677366 26338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an expiration time for messages, incidentally? < 1338678208 72460 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: via google, is that linden scripting language? < 1338678223 195202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes < 1338679463 951460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338679983 646500 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338680379 662576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what Shen is like < 1338680645 137479 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338680652 495813 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1338680753 714943 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving