< 1340064515 88112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340064638 868500 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340064639 313071 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340064639 472690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340064818 641237 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340065176 906515 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1340065512 632596 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340065544 491771 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340065567 64494 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340065883 425239 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340066046 364621 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340067045 255220 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340068344 542764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340068344 702508 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1340068456 483994 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340068461 850415 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340068718 639130 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340068918 683193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340070209 984273 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340072042 643294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get ready for the most amazingly tiny marginal score improvement you've ever seen! < 1340072050 480036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/HABh < 1340072060 877401 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.0 < 1340072113 266802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. okay. that's a lowering of score. but it's an improvement according to quintopia_scoring_system so it stays :P < 1340072140 354559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd seen sixty-something < 1340073348 269806 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340073511 557513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-252.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1340073673 506863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was at 58.3 before that change. it's not much of a loss. < 1340073696 660693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it dropped below 60 when brachiation started beating it) < 1340073744 751251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/NWIE < 1340073747 917157 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.7 < 1340073764 892392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that worked better than expected. < 1340074525 64825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is apparently for pippa fans: < 1340074532 130808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/PiPa < 1340074535 121399 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.2 < 1340075046 235154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://sprunge.us/dUBN < 1340075499 897217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075502 501861 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.8 < 1340075512 741704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075515 360915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340075519 833590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1340075524 332771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340075529 45661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340075655 686705 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(+)*5([-{[(-)*25[+]]}[-]])%10[+]][-][+])*22]++)*24 < 1340075658 258639 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.2 < 1340075675 442206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so _sensitive_ < 1340075693 601575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075696 274735 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340075722 787974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]-)*24 < 1340075725 530405 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 25.3 < 1340075729 766991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(-)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]--)*24 < 1340075732 420324 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 44.7 < 1340075744 607575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340075747 280979 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340076506 70451 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077150 908615 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077156 584906 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340077182 522882 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340077448 612663 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340077511 564577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1340080272 457642 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340082903 462090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-236.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340083088 59024 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340083506 319375 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-210.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340084301 533855 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340084743 489393 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085071 45014 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085377 877492 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085378 316353 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340085378 476215 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340085581 942388 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340085631 566556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett UPDATE < 1340087434 118854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you are on a train? < 1340087446 6659 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i forgot to scroll down < 1340088370 884040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340088378 800795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340088456 625281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uryyb to you too. < 1340089232 26239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waa < 1340089454 317057 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340089486 699531 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340091440 862860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340091508 302691 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340092275 859812 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340092283 67645 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340092984 70356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uryyb < 1340093002 711278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that even about? < 1340093009 474435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uryyb" < 1340093020 651699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a very base joke.. so base even i guessed it < 1340093026 457196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rot13 of Hello < 1340093036 592874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1340093043 990630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that even qualify as a joke? < 1340093063 105823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je;;p would almost be a joke < 1340093074 953247 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this doesn't mean my influence is rubbing off < 1340093114 514770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm getting smarter... < 1340093266 954286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I have decided to analyze video games from an unusual direction < 1340093278 738548 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a burgeoning idea I had for a while. < 1340093289 426418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :North by North West? < 1340093299 164702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340093303 100720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But go on < 1340093308 856015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kata! < 1340093310 45165 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infact I think the premise alone could sell books. < 1340093340 233661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kata is the best direction. < 1340093341 710350 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, ok well, comparing games by attributes such as "does the game have jumping? does the game have guns? < 1340093353 254309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the game have ladders? < 1340093361 751106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like Super Mario Bros 3? < 1340093364 98348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a score? < 1340093373 262073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that has all those elements < 1340093421 565004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a fairly random list of about 29 games with a nintendo platform bias < 1340093440 839290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. my bias < 1340093470 204232 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors that open by themselves, sliding doors, secret doors, doors that lock, doors that don't < 1340093490 616331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the trouble I see is that there aren't any websites which store such information in a database in existence < 1340093498 725537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, you should get some aliens to design games. < 1340093513 25901 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not so much a trouble, as it is some uncharted ground < 1340093515 22224 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assassin's Creed Brotherhood has jumping, guns, ladders, but no score < 1340093518 214887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they won't refernce Earthy things < 1340093531 801234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Earthy gaming conventions < 1340093556 578345 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like metal barrels are always explosive < 1340093558 126007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well.. as i make up more of these arbitrary categories the whole process can get very drawn out < 1340093584 614599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, i think that at some level, such a database could be a behemoth < 1340093618 875429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the sort of thing people need.. it's just me looking for a niche way of analysis < 1340093704 832961 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm probably onto something.. most of my ideas are half-truths and misguided versions of actual good ideas < 1340093732 142028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, you can't look up in any database which video games contain blue hats < 1340093747 119087 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the "kind" of database i am describing, you might be able to < 1340093840 709850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called being a data nerd < 1340093865 268958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1340093970 352394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just might be a data nerd < 1340093987 594139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Team Fortress 2 has blue hats < 1340093993 189370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team Fortress 2 has all the hats < 1340094126 355957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/Main_Page is doing something a bit like that. < 1340094139 153214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, http://www.gameontology.com/index.php/To_Shoot is a bit like "does it have guns?" < 1340094143 732387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am being serious too.. you would goto tidusdatanerd.com and see the box Search: [__________] and type in "blue hats" and it would list (1)Team Fortress 2 (2)[...] < 1340094159 613304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probably not the only folks, but they're maybe the most pretentious. < 1340094160 8591 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gah.... why can't i ever have a niche to myself ;_; < 1340094181 533648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that tvtropes is sort of doing the same thing in a manner of speaking < 1340094202 473206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they mostly just list some examples instead of trying to build a comprehensive list. < 1340094242 643493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340094270 34644 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as it turns out it's actually quite difficult to prove a negative about a video game < 1340094279 214781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trying to do a hierarchical thing, though. And I suppose it's as pointless as anything involving the word "ontology" tends to be, but anyway. < 1340094308 960025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i guess such a database should be padded out with unknown < 1340094339 176888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the categorization of some of these things is a nightmare < 1340094382 567802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, most games which have jumping have a jump button.. but some games require you to press 2 buttons at once to jump... < 1340094418 420526 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1340094422 212240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've put out some game conference papers about their por-ject. < 1340094460 100212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in link's awakening you need an item to jump < 1340094509 459490 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd input the data? < 1340094512 340095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in some games you may have to drive a car up a ramp to jump < 1340094564 197528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or basically some environmental jump could be a trampoline or a ramp etc < 1340094641 570815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well, the main point i think is the data exists < 1340094649 115471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want even more of a niche project, http://www.igcd.net/ have a database of which models of cars have been seen in which video games. < 1340094652 314914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what kind of nutcases care about it < 1340094685 984138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. that IS niche < 1340094710 941902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact you know about igcd tells me i am a long way from kansas < 1340094724 614182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know about it four minutes ago. < 1340094743 412753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1340094750 657631 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be scared if you had < 1340094801 795571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: basically it's just a mode of exploration.. looking for niches.. looking for a leg up on the rivals < 1340094814 192341 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could build akinator-like service only for games then < 1340094824 581671 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if such a database existed i would be merely looking for new niches < 1340094831 749227 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and amaze bunch of bored players < 1340094843 730455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the fun of a niche is it's exclusivity < 1340094957 198324 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1340094997 621343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am gonna visit the irc chat of igcd just to see what is there < 1340095192 130576 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that server is gone < 1340095276 40095 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095276 455735 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340095276 615921 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095406 203729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah yes akinator! < 1340095448 849141 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doomed to be to video games as scott mccloud is to comics < 1340095451 859061 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340095575 422470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well it is my job to enter such data < 1340095586 412131 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340095662 709741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing though, that each search for such a datum could result in new sub-questions, and that well.. it's not computable how long any such question will take to answer < 1340095718 217922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... ^well maybe it's computable.. < 1340095728 485951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not predictable by ordinary means.. < 1340096039 475923 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1340096558 261981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, there's someone on #haskell reminding me of you < 1340096564 649669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : expect a lot more weird questions coming from me in the future :D < 1340096628 247738 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone such as me is aware of their own weirdness... that is usually a sign of trouble < 1340096653 275235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or redemption < 1340096673 122788 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's comfortable with asking weird questions apparently < 1340096705 967625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current query is the native resolution of atari asteroids < 1340096741 754987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being a data nerd... < 1340096757 974043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as nooga suggested) i have no practical application of this info though < 1340096792 701166 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340096864 559346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: www.philpem.me.uk/elec/vecgen.pdf < 1340096890 485564 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short answer is 1024 × 1024 < 1340096895 473954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1340096906 33779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true vector graphics < 1340096917 365414 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics chip directly controls the deflection of the electron beam < 1340096921 725875 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not a grid of pixels as such < 1340096940 879179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean it could have more res if it had uh i dunno < 1340096945 955007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it could move very smoothly between line endpoints, or generate circles etc. with analog oscillators < 1340096955 466740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if the DVG actually has these capabilities < 1340096979 710485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i get the sense that 1024 is just an arbitrary constraint they settled on < 1340097006 475028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for addressing < 1340097007 498575 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU sends coordinates to the DVG over a digital data bus < 1340097012 252916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those coordinates are 10 bit < 1340097036 247410 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1340097037 106864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could have a system where, even though the endpoints of lines are locked to a 1024 × 1024 grid, the beam deflection between points is much smoother and does not alias to that grid < 1340097054 551391 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be done with a higher resolution internal counter + DAC, or with analog circuitry < 1340097102 799558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody nice answer though. < 1340097111 340802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you had been waiting for someone to ask < 1340097114 704207 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340097119 826808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked this up a while ago for no particular reason < 1340097133 566624 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think just because i went to barcade in brooklyn and was impressed by how nice the original asteroids machine looks < 1340097149 732821 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a brilliantly intense white on black CRT < 1340097166 777449 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects leave wonderful trails as they move < 1340097171 817044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia did mention the DVG (with a red link) but i more or less overlooked it's relevance to the question) < 1340097193 655999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm < 1340097417 914827 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like those 10 bits are all the resolution it has on the output < 1340097460 595138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good article. < 1340097556 343352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all so funny now, with everyone owning their own framebuffers < 1340097586 868336 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this vector stuff seems to still have advantages over that < 1340097688 860898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340097759 484702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-236.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340097771 616684 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340098006 446011 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god this exists https://twitter.com/#!/HexhamProblems < 1340098086 386884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why this document about the digital vector generator goes off on a long tangent where they basically explain how to design a CPU < 1340098116 582227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does homestuck.bandcamp.com look dodgy to anyone else? < 1340098134 78359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i knew that part was over my head so i cut to the "final thoughts" < 1340098149 890790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops no, "a final thought" < 1340098185 949222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it works now < 1340098258 384267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are those Hexham Problems the kind of problems you have? < 1340098266 167464 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no < 1340098286 916391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of earshot of the Abbey < 1340098305 196642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donnies and spoons < 1340098326 381040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been to Donnies, haven't been to Spoons in ages < 1340098330 182239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1340098352 365807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah, later they talk about analog vector generators < 1340098371 288366 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would actually draw those perfectly smooth lines < 1340098415 926110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #hexhamproblems "The awkward moment when your intimidated at the sele by 13 year old chavs" < 1340098417 553434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was used by Battlezone apparently < 1340098510 561078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently The Sele = A shitty scumbag of a school. They say they deal with bullying, no they dont. They say they have a good reputation, no they dont. < 1340098697 118723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1340098705 759723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "elliott" (with a different surname) following HexhamProblems. < 1340098719 989020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, in this context, the Sele refers to the field and hill, not the school < 1340098734 333207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest pupils of the school are 9 < 1340098752 683035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "mish"? Is that like a type of going somewhere? < 1340098761 547791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, short for "mission" < 1340098772 416774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be Hexham-specific slang < 1340098773 688757 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, it had analog clipping to rectangle too < 1340098778 217409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know your from hexham when you mish to tescos ten times a day" "The soundtrack to your mish down the street being the harpsicord busker". < 1340098781 143216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1340098809 865193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well i'm absolutely sure that all the people from hexham would be happier if hexham slang didn't become a major topic :D < 1340098818 390497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1340098824 704779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^6^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340098826 180147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626387169884407661971693988789488104965184659327495149... < 1340098832 409760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty good eh" < 1340098843 338554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that actually pi? < 1340098851 992792 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get out much, and elliott probably isn't real < 1340098856 442462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just gonna let it blow over < 1340098878 905747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What's a "geordie"? < 1340098893 175191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person from Newcastle, with all the stereotypes that entails < 1340098897 832869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1340098901 141941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh no. it's started :D < 1340098904 692622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got quite a lot of these terms. < 1340098908 52584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., tough, hardy, has a cool accent < 1340098929 335360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: both taneb and elliott would probably rather we didn't explore it. < 1340098942 878691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combination of English, Scottish, and I think Norwegian accents < 1340098944 843170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really explain why.. i don't know < 1340098983 302333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oops" < 1340098994 545247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, so "spoons" was a place. I was thinking, you know, spoons. I mean, they keep knives away from folk that might do stuff with them, don't they? < 1340099007 161216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most americans can't follow a british accent very well. < 1340099066 387897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since australia is full of immigrants from that part of the world our accent is well.. compatible i think < 1340099096 896972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that would be the case though < 1340099115 364439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, some british accents aren't compatible at all < 1340099128 677598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean.. some people literally can't parse it < 1340099139 64719 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pay good money to see a person from Glasgow, a person from Somerset, and a person of Yorkshire trying to talk to eachother < 1340099162 924432 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely im full of crap < 1340099192 170514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, spoons is slang for the pub chain Wetherspoon < 1340099216 456816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the one in Hexham, which is next to the cinema < 1340099241 997415 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a cool slang word i learned yesterday.. i forget what it was < 1340099249 765279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340099251 873453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1340099255 696224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340099257 829931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1340099259 47040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER < 1340099273 46046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are... are they different at all < 1340099337 713781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KQ has the best music. < 1340099373 7188 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha yes < 1340099384 971596 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verb raspberry < 1340099392 908154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raspberry tart = fart < 1340099540 40757 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kings Quest? < 1340099570 209119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kqlives.sourceforge.net/ < 1340099601 376007 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo -e "a\nb" < 1340099610 584076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-e "a\nb" < 1340099628 529057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "a\nb" < 1340099632 195347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b < 1340099649 13765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1340099651 685085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ quotes.new \ share \ wisdom < 1340099661 844468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quotes < 1340099665 40103 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes < 1340099673 641394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quotes < 1340099677 40114 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he should be told that you should < 1340099686 13794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1340099688 896085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32574 < 1340099807 415409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with the Alternate Universe quotes early on? < 1340099856 885599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is he really a tricycle? < 1340099858 22318 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: though the error message and make your head detachable... i downloaded the tex fnord is there a scheme that offers methods on any data type. < 1340099867 413115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1340099868 202097 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1340099873 652881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A detachable head? < 1340099874 513922 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you! take! we find! < 1340099887 787750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't have a detachable head. < 1340099888 522046 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. < 1340099952 806825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, I won't use the crane to detach my head. But I'm still unclear on whether he was a tricycle. < 1340099953 680847 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? < 1340099975 675133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say I kind of like that "i, myself, will bring an end to all" thing. < 1340100031 863103 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The TMS320P15 was supposedly hack-proof once the Security Bit was set. It wasn't. The reason I know is that in that project I put in an undocumented program that sent out the Atari copyright message in Morse Code. Because of the DSP's speed it could be received by just placing a standard AM radio near the PC Board. The program was called only by grounding an innocuously unused I/O pin during Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game < 1340100062 802468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Having trouble in this game of golf. < 1340100070 765457 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only winning move is not to play < 1340100098 641734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: edwardk came with a variation so inefficient, lambdabot doesn't manage to compute it all the way to the cutoff point. < 1340100103 480987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 74 digits of pi. < 1340100111 248822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's several characters shorter. :-( < 1340100129 408697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact maybe no computer would be able to calculate it to the cutoff point ever with that algorithm.) < 1340100135 236971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did my full quote come through just now?) < 1340100144 965076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reset. When Atari received a counterfeited game < 1340100163 783055 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...When Atari received a counterfeited game to examine, I placed an AM radio near the board, grounded the aforementioned I/O pin, gave it a Reset, and heard my Copyright Message on the radio." < 1340100266 753323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a TMS320C5416 for schoolwork, it was a fancy. (Much later thing than a C15, though.) < 1340101049 123010 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am shocked < 1340101065 120622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, has the psychology experiment gone wrong? < 1340101078 462176 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lisp interpreter actually compiles and runs every single example from various books < 1340101090 116942 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without warnings? < 1340101103 523578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yours as in you wrote it?) < 1340101110 84209 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it would just crash if something went wrong < 1340101115 888591 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340101139 257570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try running something bigger < 1340101162 864305 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have backquote and macros < 1340101177 661593 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you know what to do next! < 1340101178 964096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340101187 516379 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go out and celebrate! < 1340101192 409760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to LegoLand or somewhere! < 1340101220 510799 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather buy two beers < 1340101247 797535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy three beers! < 1340101249 484037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1340101259 174094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LeggoLand, where everyone tries to escape. < 1340102109 378901 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340102896 922357 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340105331 994959 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1340105602 708005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340105656 473080 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340107740 181528 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340107767 591460 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108018 450306 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340108230 965253 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108231 223100 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340108231 383771 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340108472 40193 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1340108682 866938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340109437 533848 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340109461 136395 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340110295 282214 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340112018 281929 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340112020 848853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340112537 292699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340112942 703970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBl4qH9I54 < 1340113027 813178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1340113028 714441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1340113101 720754 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113172 193927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22])%28]++)*22>(-)*115[-][+][-] < 1340113181 191596 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 46.9 < 1340113198 176878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that basically says "let this list be this list added with itself shifted to the right by one"? < 1340113211 125840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/right/left/ < 1340113274 366035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation >->(-)*5(>)*4(>[(<)*3(+)*7<<(+[<{}])%28>(-)*50<(-)*50<(-)*10>>(>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](+)*50)*3 (>-[(-)*50(>)*7(>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*27](-)*50)*2(>)*7 (>[(-)*5([+{[(+)*25[-]]}[+]])%10[-]][+][-])*22]++)*24 < 1340113275 97108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fibs is a list starting with 0, continuing with 1, and then continuing with fibs added with fibs sans the first element, yes. < 1340113276 965448 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 47.3 < 1340113342 397029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "tail" mean the same as "cdr" or does it not use cons lists? < 1340113384 870841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a linked list, yes. < 1340113390 633680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data [a] = [] | a : [a] < 1340113399 99644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail (_:xs) = xs < 1340113402 519188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail [] = undefined < 1340113408 281902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally you would use < 1340113415 484132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = a :> Stream a < 1340113418 191806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail (_ :> xs) = xs < 1340113424 708057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would not ues the avoid of the partial function "tail". < 1340113426 512210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1340113430 500883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Stream isn't in the standard library. < 1340113450 391357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113478 970078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1340113481 142772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does :> mean < 1340113494 77789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340113547 731088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. It's a user-defined operator. < 1340113550 431353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just as easily say < 1340113557 523650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = a :$$$$ Stream a < 1340113557 867319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1340113561 107403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stream a = Cons a (Stream a) < 1340113584 411625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340113698 5828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that user-defined operator necessary? < 1340113745 938258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because writing < 1340113754 939332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 :> 1 :> 2 :> 3 :> ... < 1340113759 110976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nicer than writing < 1340113763 434233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons 0 (Cons 1 (Cons 2 (Cons 3 (... < 1340113764 693565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1340113770 997666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons 0 . Cons 1 . Cons 2 . Cons 3 $ ... < 1340115209 488575 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-54.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340115211 121367 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-35.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340116243 348846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> also looks happier. < 1340116428 708338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 `Cons` 1 `Cons` 2 `Cons` 3 `Cons` … < 1340118683 986686 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340118697 615247 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340119837 105903 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Batman's on < 1340119863 45992 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... actuall sing "nanananananana" < 1340120991 942054 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently wearing a Batman shirt.
< 1340121073 356801 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon the riddler would do better if he didn't make riddles that tell batman the answer < 1340121234 318681 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But Batman! You're dead!" "No I'm not" < 1340121712 15821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bat attack. < 1340121857 25712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340123271 482635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question just observed on gameshow: "Alphabetically, which month comes fifth?" < 1340123325 514967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : … (+[<{}])%28 … < 1340123327 705815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's… new < 1340123333 681181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to explain the strategy? < 1340123380 149644 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :January < 1340123384 184148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does :> mean <-- sometimes I fly around in a spaceship… < 1340123393 597848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: indeed, although they only gave a few seconds to work it out < 1340123536 966053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have got that wrong < 1340123545 467795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about August and June < 1340123551 539907 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And July < 1340123555 748539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a Summer person < 1340123574 945196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which gameshow? < 1340123601 644622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chase? < 1340123637 209573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1340123643 576234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check the UK TV schedules? < 1340123646 517452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you watching it yourself? < 1340123649 162396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1340123659 46540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, but I couldn't remember the name < 1340123686 408605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched a bit of it once when waiting for the chips to be ready at the local Chinese < 1340123690 347872 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The questions seemed easy < 1340123705 747727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're notably easier in the endgame than in the rest of the show < 1340123710 74560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticeably < 1340123717 609626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the opposite of most programs, but it makes sense the way it works < 1340123880 160850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd be it < 1340124251 868716 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1340124252 66255 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1340124258 292620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the month is $(for mon in `seq -f'%02g' 12`; do env LC_TIME=C date --date=1984-$mon-01 +%B; done | sort | tail -n +5 | head -n 1), right? < 1340124261 291841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it didn't expand! < 1340124282 268196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am undone. < 1340124392 833674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's December for the fi_FI locale.) < 1340124410 387629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I have that in place, I just thought it'd be better to be explicit.) < 1340124528 625763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what months come before December in alphabetical order in Finland? < 1340124623 964651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full order is August, July, Februray, April, December, June, October, March, November, September, January, May. < 1340124643 762775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're translating the names into English < 1340124650 898087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, elokuu, heinäkuu, helmikuu, huhtikuu, joulukuu, kesäkuu, lokakuu, maaliskuu, marraskuu, syyskuu, tammikuu, toukokuu.) < 1340124666 265864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English months by alphabetical order of their Finnish translations" is a far from intuitive order < 1340124687 316168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one for the challenge level. < 1340124800 648624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them have a seasonally appropriate name. Like fi:loka is like mud, dirt and that sort of stuff, and October is one of the suckiest months w.r.t. weather. (Well, unless you like wet, I guess.) < 1340124809 892842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "kesäkuu" is just "summer month". < 1340124823 965460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "syyskuu" -> "autumn month". < 1340124834 125685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, there's no "winter month" or "spring month". < 1340125204 746994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, since I started... "elokuu" is like "crop month" (as in stuff-that-grows-in-fields), which I suppose... is something that's somehow relevant in August. (I'm not a country person.) "heinäkuu" is "hay month", I guess something similar. "helmikuu" is "pearl month", and I don't know what's up with that, maybe snow or ice or something? "huhtikuu" is from "huhta", a dated reference to a type ... < 1340125210 770218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... of cleared woodland, I suppose again something that's done in April. "tammikuu" is "oak month", and... I've got nothing. And so on and so forth; they're very farming-oriented, unsurprisingly. < 1340126261 530904 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elo" is from "crop" and not "life"? < 1340126285 336163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes more sense that way. < 1340126293 264206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elonkorjuu and all. < 1340126334 751321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems playing gamecube games (in an emulator) without a gamepad is god damn impossible. It usually (depending on game) works fine with n64 games. The extra analogue stick on the gamecube makes it a lot harder to handle with keyboard and mouse < 1340126374 718134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and my joystick have digital hats, so that is useless as well. < 1340126539 855181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how they predominantly seem to be about which farming-related activity is supposed to be performed in that particular month, I'd guess that way. < 1340126688 184456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gamecube controller always looks sorta-kinda weird to me. The four-button corner is so unsymmetric, and somehow I'm also weirded out by the fact that the analog sticks are in that unsymmetric way. (Xbox controller does that too.) < 1340126745 955813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have the N64 controller saving-grace of having a place for the middle hand. < 1340126765 908348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents have lead to controllers being shitty < 1340126774 944729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1340126778 376957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can't entirely blame the patents < 1340126786 934627 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I don't think it's much about patents < 1340126820 428732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok button positioning probably isn't < 1340126853 992793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else... ahhh.... i dunno what to say < 1340126859 490558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is analog stick positioning: Compare Playstation controller with Wii Classic Controller < 1340126877 686545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the N64 controller, I haven't ever figured out any sensible button mappings from the PS3 one to it, primarily because it has those four yellow semi-directional buttons. The four-button diamond (ABXY in Xbox, cross-square-triangle-circle in PS3) could handle those, but that'd leave the primary A and B buttons unclaimed. < 1340126878 12950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, which one do you think is better? < 1340126888 447938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playstation < 1340126894 932528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, PS1, PS2 or PS3? < 1340126896 378234 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross shaped d-pad was patented a long time, both styles of vibration patented, various wireless control techs patented < 1340126906 101970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine what else < 1340126907 748601 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the only one I had was a PS2 < 1340126912 971918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340126934 770019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Ratchet and Clank 3 < 1340126963 368805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not really any radical differences between the PS controllers, except the PS1 default doesn't have any analog sticks. < 1340127002 253978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: probably dinner < 1340127010 129876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After they added those in the "Dual Analog" PS1 controller, it's mostly been just incremental fiddling. < 1340127108 190928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the right-side sidebars of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualShock -- okay, the first one is light gray instead of dark, but that's about it. < 1340127166 703370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does one of those cost standalone? < 1340127168 137244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they made the buttons pressure sensitive, and fiddled with the triggers, and added the motion sensing fluff, but the shape's the same. < 1340127178 562071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be used for gamecube games. < 1340127196 1897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mine (it's a DualShock 3) cost something like 40 eur? < 1340127213 521527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is pretty steep < 1340127222 222226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about the six axis thingy? < 1340127225 389920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was/is that? < 1340127255 875939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that Sony? < 1340127267 537748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain "Sixaxis" was the first one where they added the thing where you can tilt it forward/backward/sideways/whatever and it senses that, but they also lost vibration while doing that. < 1340127288 561460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DualShock 3 has both the vibration (from DualShock 2) and the motion-sensing (from Sixaxis). < 1340127289 286308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, does the dualshock 3 have all the features? < 1340127301 101509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340127307 630008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, despite them originally saying it's physically impossible to have both or something. :p < 1340127316 310249 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1340127326 850085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I have ever used the motion sensing for anything. < 1340127369 289271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My default local (i.e. Finnish) computer-stuff webshop has a DualShock 2 for 24.90 eur and a DualShock 3 for 42.40 eur. < 1340127398 216427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does dualshock 2 miss compared to the third iteration (apart from the tilt stuff)? < 1340127411 88237 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not wireless? < 1340127420 826911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all? < 1340127424 620680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb is fine with me < 1340127425 56406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, there's that too. < 1340127461 131237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh analogue triggers it seems < 1340127470 866788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's pretty much all. Except maybe the triggers in DS3 are "more analog"? The wiki sidebars list L2 and R2 as "pressure sensitive" for DS2 and "analog triggers" for DS3. < 1340127474 866298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1340127476 811627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that might be useful. Surely there must be some cheaper third party stuff though < 1340127494 482528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OEM stuff is always more expensive in my experience < 1340127522 291470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going with third-party stuff, you might just consider one that's actually meant for plugging to a computer. The DS3 computer drivers are bit on the hacky side. < 1340127536 646091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox wireless whatever is also more computer-friendly by default. < 1340127556 292349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's what I've heard, anyway. < 1340127566 771491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would need a bluetooth thingy for my computer if I went for wireless < 1340127579 754968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing on a laptop. So that doesn't interest me. < 1340127605 343265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there is the hassle of dealing with batteries < 1340127618 69075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess why I use USB mice still? Yeah < 1340127620 448958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Windows side, they have that "XInput" thing that the Xbox controller does, and e.g. with Sonic Generations only gamepads doing XInput seem to really work well, so I have to keep the DS3 in Xbox emulation mode often. < 1340127643 64815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :xbox emulation mode? It seriously has that in the hardware? < 1340127653 392557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a thing of the Windows driver I'm using. < 1340127662 1221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340127673 610450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MotioninJoy" something. < 1340127677 871714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder what gamepads for computers cost. Less I guess < 1340127692 823329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is the question of build quality as well... < 1340127703 981081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it really matters, except the games keep saying A, B, X and Y when they mean the PS3 symbols. But it's not like you'd really have time to go hunt-and-pecking for the button, so... < 1340127721 170510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I fail hard at playing wind waker using the keyboard and mouse. I can play ocarina of time just fine with such a setup < 1340127765 442029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official "Wireless Xbox 360" pad is 34.90 in the same shop. (I presume it's only optionally wireless like the DS3 and can be used plugged in, too.) < 1340127827 184938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion's Steam version only worked in x360 emulation mode too, I suppose many people are using those so it's what they test with. I don't have any first-hand quality-difference knowledge since I only have this one pad. < 1340127841 348517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Wireless (proprietary 2.4 GHz protocol), USB" says wikipedia < 1340127879 663703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they sell the receiver (for computers) if it's some proprietary stuff, then. < 1340127899 955845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastion seems suboptimal to play with a pad IMO. While bastion is essentially a twin stick shooter, the aiming would be far more precise using a mouse. And wasd for movement works fine (an analogue input would be better for that bit) < 1340127919 770883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some sort of an auto-aim thing in the pad control mode, I think. < 1340127927 136207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway bastion is XNA. Probably the issue lies with XNA there < 1340127931 470680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? urgh < 1340127953 657184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like auto aim < 1340127955 451877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locks to the enemy you're approximately pointing towards, and then I think you can cycle with L1/R1. I really only played just through the intro so far. < 1340127969 461796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still far less precision I would guess. < 1340127981 528929 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what the bastion linux version runs on < 1340127993 62207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, mono, I checked < 1340128005 939576 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1340128016 67124 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know Mono did XNA < 1340128025 64821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono itself doesn't, exactly. < 1340128026 220850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you /really/ need to play that game. It is awesome. But yeah, give mouse and keyboard a try. IMO it works perfectly fine and though I haven't tried pad I suspect it might be superior to a pad. < 1340128028 784583 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink... now has an iPad version < 1340128038 432175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was some project or another. MonoGame? Some silly name like that. < 1340128039 84077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Uplink had typing bits. < 1340128050 819321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yep pretty sure it did. < 1340128064 167547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they offer copy and paste or something? < 1340128066 877162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know the xbox controller has a hole in it for audio headsets. The More You Know.) < 1340128074 982117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340128078 850639 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it definitely did; you need to type bank account numbers by hand, and withdrawal amounts, and bank IPs < 1340128090 186384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPs yeah I remember < 1340128106 605934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember doing a bank mission in that. I guess I must have done though < 1340128113 380025 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the "hack into a bank and steal 1000000 credits before you even start the main plot" exploit is kind of messed up. < 1340128130 496716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ah, you missed out. < 1340128181 340361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some Uplink speedrun (or funny-extra-story LP, or something) started with an initial bank run. < 1340128185 123683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it gives you missions to "track a fraudulent transfer" or something, and the thing is that as part of it you *have* to hack into an account which will always have several hundred thousand credits. < 1340128189 871014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340128212 705337 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah; I never actually played through it without doing a bank run. < 1340128219 179917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340128234 25975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Wireless Gaming Receiver (sold as "Crossfire Wireless Gaming Receiver" in the UK) allows wireless Xbox 360 accessories, such as wireless gamepads, racing wheels and headsets, to be used on a Windows-based PC." Right, they do sell that thing, I see. < 1340128305 662846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Bluetooth USB "dongle" here somewhere, I think it might well be the smallest "peripheral" I own. I can't even quite locate it right now, it's that small. < 1340128313 71617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.databest.fi/blueusb21.htm <- it's one of these. < 1340128768 717838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1340128769 423720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340128771 141987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11 < 1340128771 592208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1340128774 63357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pi_11 is correct, I'm pretty sure, but it's this crazy double-exponential thing that isn't going to compute more than a few digits in practice ever. < 1340128777 238200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it count for golfing? < 1340128842 148549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it up to the first 8 < 1340128873 147058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with 9. < 1340128877 535536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got it < 1340128877 698547 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340128887 755499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where pi_10 < 1340128890 38204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1340128890 573283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Using ghc -O2? If not, perhaps do so, for the constant factor improvement. < 1340128897 774263 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, using GHCi < 1340128901 263314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would say it "counts", but dioesn't count. < 1340128907 89798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THIS ISN'T ABOUT CONSTANT FACTORS < 1340128924 497868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to get lambdabot to run it it needs to generate 74 digits or something. < 1340128930 650438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062" < 1340128932 54658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 74 < 1340128934 305180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :75, I guess. < 1340128955 239020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1340128955 601786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(p,q)%d=p*d`div`q;w(p,q)i=(p*i+1,q*i);(x:y:s)^d|y%d>x%d=s^d|0<1=mod(x%d)10:s^(10*d)in 2:scanl w(1,1)[1..]^10>>=show < 1340128956 351797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_11 < 1340128956 534594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about e_11. < 1340128988 240420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress: http://hpaste.org/70159 < 1340129002 7536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It got broken sometime around the 10^6^n point.) < 1340129018 694275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's fixed now.) < 1340129183 403545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked better when it was in GHCi < 1340129361 137766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You probably forgot to turn off output buffering. < 1340129523 465229 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1340129555 335023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hSetBuffering Output TurnOff < 1340129647 69996 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340129651 261482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that does better < 1340129724 293742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_9 < 1340129724 850108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pi_9. < 1340129729 463776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_9 < 1340129730 85337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about e_9. < 1340129736 949990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1340129780 115175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got to 7! < 1340129812 637299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a quote < 1340129816 893716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pi < 1340129819 752001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 14) First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. \ 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 29) < 1340129827 710753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote po < 1340129831 128037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1340129836 778188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote week < 1340129839 777672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :164) It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS \ 397) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1340129845 884450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 397 < 1340129849 238684 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1340129878 256087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good algorithm < 1340129890 323538 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very fast hardware < 1340129901 978885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the former < 1340129913 229559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was ICA compiled to hardware, I think. < 1340129950 915088 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA? < 1340129976 442701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think programming will be any easier with a direct mind-computer interface < 1340129982 995371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idealised Concurrent Algol. < 1340130008 867155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, my ICT teacher had a mind-computer interface < 1340130014 197063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was innaccurate < 1340130024 908701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merlin could use it to play the helicopter game < 1340130033 628272 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My uncle works on them, but only on the UI side. < 1340130036 887494 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning is pain. < 1340130043 65236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dare even repeat: learning is pain. < 1340130058 378375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he'd finished with that, ISTR asking about it. < 1340130060 613728 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, wrong. pain is learning. < 1340130067 283735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fallacy is in "Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE." < 1340130070 993340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My uncle works in a bank < 1340130082 755169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my uncles work in banks < 1340130083 782684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My aunt is an accountant. < 1340130093 289359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if she works in a bank. < 1340130096 978579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no blood aunts < 1340130121 918530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to learn... but... < 1340130129 790316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things are not worth knowing < 1340130143 719619 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly important to be able to survive a day at a time < 1340130160 470804 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I survive a week and a half at a time < 1340130192 61290 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :little tips like "going without food and/or water and/or sleep and/or blood will kill you" < 1340130204 376990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or breathing < 1340130207 589811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340130208 11586 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti < 1340130220 709693 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1340130223 438616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be a vampure < 1340130228 751372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340130233 365571 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its like a vampire but australian) < 1340130261 91430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i produce my own blood, but still, i need to keep it < 1340130280 375535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood is just mates you eat, crikey. < 1340130320 187078 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just for instance bleed and bleed all day < 1340130337 846543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however... < 1340130348 127135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: itidus21 is a man. < 1340130358 942476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself -----###
< 1340130368 961662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can probably live without legs or arms or sight or hearing or hair < 1340130406 702621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some vitamin and mineral deficiencies would kill me more slowly < 1340130406 862630 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you'd get sunburnt without the last one < 1340130434 15964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm due to buy some vitamin d tablets < 1340130434 265358 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340130456 217654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid rickets? < 1340130467 565648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid crickets. < 1340130470 300192 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1340130473 473749 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're deadly in Australia. < 1340130473 633948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called ostelin < 1340130506 234533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti you realise there's this cheap vitamin d supplement called 'sunlight' < 1340130527 569423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my doctor never fails to remind me that it only takes 15 - 30 minutes of sunlight a day < 1340130560 335372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in Scotland we don't have any of that. < 1340130630 412744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thought of having a machine fill head with data is disturbing < 1340130647 334736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably feel a lot like being in a video game < 1340130668 153139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having no experiences on which to base your knowledge < 1340130688 231772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning by being told things < 1340130702 682680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only being able to test what you are being told by thinking about it < 1340130762 162730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds heavily biased towards the needs of society over the needs of the individual < 1340130796 695375 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t followed the discussion, but i wouldn’t mind being able to make queries and get responses just like in a REPL or with a web browser, but with direct neural communication with the computer. < 1340130838 541005 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nerves in your fingertips! < 1340130841 470200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340130849 449703 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nerves in your eyes < 1340130871 210668 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, REALLY? < 1340130891 587811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im completely against all this direct mind computer stuff < 1340130948 891345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ads in your optic nerve are the bomb. < 1340131030 295611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean, that makes you want to make bombs. < 1340131083 201369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA is Independent Component Analysis and no silly Algol thing, also. < 1340131099 13446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ambiguity in acronyms is bad.) < 1340131190 736544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they've also fed the bomb-making desires directly to my head. < 1340131278 943589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not inherently against augmented reality < 1340131314 86732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never discount the effect of human nature upon the introduction of new technologies though < 1340131316 169240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real fucking mind control from laser satellites", like a well-known thinker once said. < 1340131428 901436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not have been those exact words, I'm afraid.) < 1340131447 799122 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340131492 55055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahh the only reason they even care about your head is because the most dangerous person is one from inside the group < 1340131540 156834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no more different than bribing someone on the opposing sports team to injure one of his best teammates < 1340131561 336622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except since a bribe is too expensive < 1340131570 769372 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the expense would make the whole thing pointless < 1340131625 526443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that is to say, "fed the bomb-making desires directly to my head" it's like finding a free way to bribe someone on the opposing sports team to injure one of his best teammates < 1340131695 711257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since bribing is too expensive and also it's open to free will and potential negotiations < 1340131796 217786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once everyone realized that there was technology actively doing such things, they would start changing the rules of the sport to accomodate for it to happen < 1340131852 131694 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "ok we know our citizens are being brainwashed to build bombs, so we will perform scans on as many of them as possible" < 1340131892 228972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we will put up more security so that said citizen is less of a threat, we will strip him of more rights < 1340131920 589933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.... < 1340132476 889630 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like how an easy way to go to war would be random poisoning of water resevoirs < 1340132542 470449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same general principle < 1340132597 483364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention < 1340132626 614805 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am speaking a bit out of my mind though < 1340132687 343732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that there is no long term process of relaxing security around the world < 1340132717 261483 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's all just on a downward spiral to big brother < 1340132768 131269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats my naivety talking < 1340132821 69326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh.. with fizzie's brainwashing comment it's like < 1340132829 241667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should rise up and take the power back? < 1340132839 609237 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time the fat cats had a heart attack < 1340132868 210174 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know their time's coming to an end, so we need to unify and watch the flag ascend < 1340132871 307612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ahh.. who would be the best person to brainwash to kill that rebel leader? i know. lets brainwash his own family to do it" < 1340132899 80626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They won't control us; we'll be victorious < 1340132901 474457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure, it will mean families will no longer be able to trust each other, but at least we will have our victory" < 1340132941 659018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK I HAVE TO BAN YOU NOW FOR REVEALING TOO MUCH < 1340132976 929459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get bad when i rant on non-computing topics :-( < 1340132986 344396 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counter balance this commotion < 1340132994 712975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 isn't a droplet in the ocean < 1340133029 567981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a little bit insane < 1340133057 910277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be seeing the psychiatrist at my local doctor's office some time < 1340133072 942623 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychologist/chiatrist whatever < 1340133138 983956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might want to delete User:Heliumint < 1340133186 117294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my overall point is that you can analyze why some army might want to brainwash someone.. and when you do you for better or worse realize that it's just part of military life < 1340133187 414141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1340133215 866111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1340133231 178108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340133251 346566 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-251-35.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340133270 708102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the cia spent so much effort on it is worrying to say the least.. i guess that means in reality all militaries have had equivalent programs which they were better at covering up < 1340133296 495783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all super power militaries < 1340133318 329250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow doubt burma had a program studying mind control < 1340133367 439231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: um i think it was pretty well-established that the communists knew how to brainwash for decades... < 1340133423 785684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the songs I quoted was named for a project such at that < 1340133427 128682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MK Ultra < 1340133451 42976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess then that in reality the intent to brainwash is the critical thing.. rather than the means < 1340133462 815475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1340133478 182582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems elliott had enough < 1340133634 658787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if what you are learning from the computer in a mind-computer interface is math then maybe it would be good < 1340133653 488843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since math doesn't really need experience of reality < 1340133684 724354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it < 1340133689 976736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@-) < 1340133690 194042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ bf do ft id pl rc v wn < 1340133703 508891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: basically < 1340133712 323531 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @_@ < 1340133756 890387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would bring with it a whole slew of other problems < 1340133795 573617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, since the self, society, world and universe, is in constant change... then knowledge needs to be somewhat localized < 1340133807 475198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you have to know the language where you live < 1340133843 350291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no good being fluent in japanese and chinese and thai while living in australia if you don't know english < 1340133881 895970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since even the languages change... if you learned a language.. you would need updates < 1340133922 851590 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you wuoldn't learn language < 1340134048 665842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone learn language? < 1340134152 366525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paid too much attention to " First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. \ 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 29)" < 1340134203 357861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134203 789662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134206 203046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :254) [on egojoust] The fact is that EgoBot's % handling is O(slow) and O(big), and mine isn't. < 1340134218 746593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :465) It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. < 1340134231 141416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134231 696457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134232 139513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1340134237 321968 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is this itidus20 guy < 1340134238 750118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :675) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1340134249 586499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :661) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. < 1340134250 571011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :269) 320 quotes and still not a funny one yet! < 1340134255 567444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: is that, like, your age in the nick? < 1340134266 647164 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope... sadly not < 1340134366 804301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glasgow must be a fun place < 1340134389 509396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a lot of them hate billy connolly < 1340134441 876421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crime is one of those things that make places FUN < 1340134460 684642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340134477 972958 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're due for Grand Theft Auto: Glasgow < 1340134541 12981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :further reason for that being: < 1340134545 123427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rockstar North (formerly DMA Design Ltd) is a British video game developer based in Edinburgh, Scotland, best known for creating the Grand Theft Auto" < 1340134582 697501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google grand theft auto glasgow < 1340134585 154822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICYt3MH0cwE < 1340134585 315346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: GTA: Glasgow - YouTube < 1340134610 861697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :edinburgh, the other glasgow < 1340134704 905201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the other Glasgow was in Ukraine or somewhere < 1340134815 785231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is glasgow < 1340135049 294845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate watching youtubes where the people in the video are all cooler than me < 1340135172 89270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once played a cool person on stage < 1340135277 967490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make you cool? < 1340135302 421462 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1340135308 67137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me glad I'm not < 1340135332 162305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340135358 89591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340135429 306046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, those leather jackets are really, really hot on the inside < 1340135588 939429 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, funnily enough, my visits to Glasgow have always been fairly boring. < 1340135937 552786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why place it in Britan? They already did that back in GTA 2 iirc? (I know there has been a GTA in London!) < 1340135981 356213 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #hexhamproblems There's no GTA:Hexham < 1340135983 638049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not do Paris, or if they want an English speaking country (understandable), either Australia or New Zealand < 1340136014 3754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand nature can be quite amazing from what I seen from photos < 1340136055 10553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and GTA games are all about beautiful landscapes. < 1340136077 65180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, didn't San Andreas had a bit of country side in it < 1340136090 727056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only played the first one. :/ < 1340136093 196416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :video games are pretty much the greatest thing ever < 1340136094 692005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could do a city located in some amazing terrain. Like the side of a hill < 1340136112 910846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in the entire universe.. < 1340136118 557234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTA:Venezia < 1340136123 290209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1340136130 917131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *Venice < 1340136148 479782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm that might be fun. After all there are already boats in GTA IV at least < 1340136152 578260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helicopters too < 1340136169 47030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole process of evolution(or whatever) from bacteria to fish to land creatures to primates to humans.. and through the stone age and the industrial age.. < 1340136175 693098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suggestion: drop all the straight avenue stuff and offer winding streets and what not < 1340136179 755811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all so that video games could exist < 1340136191 705139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: the joke is that venice is a no-cars zone) < 1340136212 621732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dude did that ever stop the protagonist in any GTA game? ;P < 1340136236 543549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing data-nerd research on video games < 1340136248 259897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, never played it < 1340136263 550996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He needs cars around to steal, anyway. < 1340136269 607758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1340136270 696939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340136277 385267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well what it did really well was create a believable city < 1340136295 177779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is made or broken on the basis that you get the illusion of being in a city < 1340136297 144774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GTA:ISS -- Grand Theft Auto in space. < 1340136320 649056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. since a lot of it is driving in traffic or exploring < 1340136334 777764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illusion holds up really well < 1340136355 316459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 2d gta's it's a lot of fun waiting at traffic lights < 1340136368 972910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I do think that GTA set in a city on a hillside (possibly some Mediterranean setting) would be fun. Since you likely want a big city I would suggest making the old city (parts of the city core) like that. Then you could include suburbs that had a more modern layout better suited to high speed driving. < 1340136379 759449 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else can you find a game which has cars at traffic lights.. that you can jump out and blow them up causing a pile up < 1340136383 856141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: monaco perhaps < 1340136392 909831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite a pileup < 1340136393 476890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm perhaps < 1340136396 656795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it doesn't really in GTA IV IMO < 1340136396 816281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, who's winning your football? BBC is disappointingly ambiguous < 1340136407 385940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the illusion is ruined by the relatively small size. < 1340136412 990161 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the originals are good though! < 1340136415 570387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you realize there is a lack of suburbs and what not < 1340136422 642130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played GTA 1 / GTA 2 < 1340136425 80885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1340136440 742010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never really played 3/4 < 1340136454 773469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are the swedes still playing? i heard they had no chance of advancing < 1340136463 566440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to play < 1340136465 945748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I played 4 and a bit of San Andreas which iirc is like 3.5 or something? < 1340136483 252308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty sure swedes still play gta < 1340136500 280474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess they're not at the knock out stage < 1340136502 340377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sweden is winning this match < 1340136512 197077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what match? < 1340136512 859525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, still group stages < 1340136518 534622 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden vs France < 1340136526 373349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sport? < 1340136532 87293 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gta1 is about fun i think. these modern ones seems to be about satisfying sadists < 1340136534 690694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Association Football < 1340136545 514447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, "Association"? < 1340136549 353985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1340136566 148637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your ability to ignore the world keeps flabbergasting us < 1340136568 911724 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to, eg. Rugby, American, Gaelic, Canadian, Aussie Rules, International < 1340136573 691307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know the word < 1340136578 311383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other Rugby < 1340136579 505740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just not in the context of football < 1340136589 700899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1340136592 519540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aussie rules football is basically only big in aus i guess < 1340136597 912467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in aus it is very big < 1340136603 863102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still the Europe-contest thingy < 1340136606 772934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no i mean, not knowing there's a european championship going on... < 1340136607 140042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called association football because it's administered by the Football Association < 1340136609 562403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was over already < 1340136613 673739 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, not in NSW or Queensland < 1340136628 374163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh i forgot.. that it was originally VFL < 1340136641 654489 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :D < 1340136650 393338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Victoria++ < 1340136657 195102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't really pay any attention to such sports. And since I hadn't heard about it in a while on the front page of the daily news paper I simply assumed it was completed < 1340136661 749085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't read the sports pages < 1340136661 914093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you i manage to shock the neighbor lady with how little i follow soccer, so...) < 1340136671 542264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/heard/seen/ < 1340136704 437444 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a five second hockey clip by accident < 1340136728 943467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't follow it closely but i could rattle off a fair list of aussie rules celebrities at least.. so i guess that gives me that "i know something because i live here" feeling < 1340136737 877023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how tragic. Did you manage to recover from the shock? < 1340136762 788309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I think my cousin plays it at a High School level < 1340136767 488349 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just barely < 1340136786 959013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, really football (soccer for Americans) is an utterly boring sport. You get maybe at most 2-3 goals in a match. Most of the time there is nothing much going on, just players running from one end of the play-field to the other. < 1340136790 120299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. tim watson, kevin sheedy, sam newman, eddie mcguire, jim stines(?), humm.. then my memory starts to become slower < 1340136802 777430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mick malthouse < 1340136808 933310 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, high-scoring does not mean interesting < 1340136814 312389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point: Test cricket < 1340136824 722637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the issue is that there is nothing much interesting going on < 1340136835 462208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steven kernighan, gary ablett < 1340136836 778692 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340136840 390194 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In those terms, maybe basketball is the best sport? < 1340136844 962223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if the play-field was made significantly smaller and the match time set to maybe 20 minutes in total, then the sport might have something going for it < 1340136851 120391 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Please check "Here Is My Vote" on facebook, like the page and join the movement. Please share with your friends. http://www.facebook.com/HereIsMyVote Best, Emilio < 1340136860 317995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 5 a side football < 1340136865 347163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome likethepage < 1340136868 22334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1340136868 888357 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :found message from someone < 1340136875 888121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why would anyone want to follow soccer? or even be aware that other people are doing it? < 1340136888 829870 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a programming language or a chat? < 1340136895 547846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda both < 1340136913 656275 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent me a link i thought i would share here < 1340136918 494225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, Hm I do enjoy fast esports for example. I watched some Shootmania recently (that game is still in alpha) and the rounds lasted like less than 1 minute each. A lot of fast action going on. < 1340136929 337107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mystery of the ages < 1340136940 573620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1340136988 360270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aim to be as unaware as possible when it comes to sports, but unfortunately I have heard of this european thing and have even seen parts of several matches < 1340136993 704896 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i kinda feel bad that i don't get involved in watching sport much < 1340136995 16402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oerjan: exactly < 1340137015 477472 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, I need to actually try to watch a basketball match at some point < 1340137018 709654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know how to really follow the action on a tactical level < 1340137062 709854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it bothers me i can't actually list aussie rules players.. and i don't know what they did < 1340137071 275646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the answer is don't. Pick a team and support them right or wrong < 1340137071 649742 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why some of them became commentators < 1340137075 737877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Geelong Cats < 1340137076 898798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, High level starcraft can be semi-interesting to watch. I'm not hugely into it. Probably because I don't know the game itself well enough (and I don't own Starcraft) < 1340137079 844947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a team < 1340137086 817211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh.. yes they are! < 1340137093 336687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a tendency to drag on sometimes though < 1340137120 25113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: i kinda feel bad that i don't get involved in watching sport much <-- why would you do that? < 1340137150 372009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you feel bad over that < 1340137154 904152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1340137156 798712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too removed from my society < 1340137171 44834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no fodder for small talk < 1340137175 512241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, the weather < 1340137177 2948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1340137183 869356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even follow the weather < 1340137187 233755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, have you ever read the Last Continent < 1340137195 986863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340137198 612880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, of course < 1340137206 782594 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about the weather to Australians just makes them angry < 1340137208 491792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I own the complete set of Discworld books < 1340137214 673694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is he australian? < 1340137234 804423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1340137242 666578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's twice as Australian as I am < 1340137247 812162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1340137248 497801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also I thought that was just made up for the plot of the book... (Wrt the no-rain stuff, since it *does* rain in parts of australia) < 1340137258 872315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably < 1340137261 43957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means very little < 1340137263 290669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, also when you study CS at university, you can make small talk about programming < 1340137266 294744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for me < 1340137287 637827 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but.. i don't actually have any programming friends offline < 1340137293 975316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have at that < 1340137298 250968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I discussed self-modifying .NET code as small talk with a guy at lunch once < 1340137301 497110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blab bla bla blab bla blab haskell blab prepromorphism < 1340137303 650264 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also join the emacs or vim faction < 1340137320 456595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like totally zygohistomorphic < 1340137335 146393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you will get them if you go for computer science or computer engineering at university though < 1340137341 583368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340137383 217376 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually worry me < 1340137401 675816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't really say anything in a sports discussion cos i don't know anything < 1340137417 182146 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big bang theory had an episode about this < 1340137457 502349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that guy had a strange fixation of screwing over Windows C/C# programs as much as possible by doing weird things. < 1340137473 996271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guys girlfriend is gonna watch the game with her friends.. so he decides he will go along.. so he studies up on the rules of the sport.. and then when they're chilling it he starts over analyzing everything as it happens in the game < 1340137487 785783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made interesting conversation to begin with, but after a couple of times it gets a bit boring < 1340137511 505728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^out < 1340137516 682444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT Crowd had an episode about this too < 1340137525 818404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that ended up with a bank robbery < 1340137526 898599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I haven't watched either of those < 1340137542 809269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT crowd is pretty cool < 1340137546 869960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, two TV shows about nerds < 1340137550 12548 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340137552 149751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I know that < 1340137560 280079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boss is so bad < 1340137568 117764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't even have a TV currently. < 1340137572 826542 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bang Theory is theoretical physicists, IT Crowd is tech support < 1340137619 904912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I plan to get one. Why would I need one. I can watch a lot of the Swedish public service channel content over the internet (legally, and for free). And there is very little of that which I'm interested in < 1340137643 477933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just the new year celebration program. That is kind of a Swedish tradition. < 1340137656 650915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, TV = a big screen for a computer < 1340137660 896407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get one for that reason < 1340137675 630730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for movies etc < 1340137677 130340 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well one hopes thats not true to the BBC < 1340137680 444466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the wrong connectors though. Neither DVI nor DP (which are the ones I have) < 1340137683 210062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also low DPI < 1340137690 78109 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340137701 880991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from normal viewing distance you don't care about the DPI < 1340137710 995402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I and watch the valvaka (translates to "election wake", but with none of the morbid associations) < 1340137711 646881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good TV:s have the right kinds of connections < 1340137715 813391 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are TVs with DVI connectors, probably DisplayPort as well. < 1340137720 497699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the idea is to shut up and pay the BBC whether you have tv or not < 1340137725 252123 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that's what you meant by DP) < 1340137731 503298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI pretty much equals HDMI except for the shape, and all TVs have *that*. < 1340137757 243757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, err I don't have a sofa. I prefer to sit in an office chair. I have a really expensive comfy one with lots of levers. < 1340137767 931144 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2013 the queen decreed that Australians should also pay for the BBC < 1340137768 678974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I prefer my computer monitor < 1340137781 616527 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340137785 915053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chair made out of nothing but levers. < 1340137787 695448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340137788 627301 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay for the bbc < 1340137792 828719 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bad joke) < 1340137795 791496 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next the US has to pay for BBC < 1340137801 564294 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being liberated from UK < 1340137803 567037 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 200 years < 1340137804 900461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340137808 547801 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so they say) < 1340137810 770323 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why not < 1340137816 146965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, almost < 1340137818 994902 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbc better than fox and nbc < 1340137823 181181 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldnt be a waste < 1340137830 35348 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnn too < 1340137833 925913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: well they could work out some negotiation under the table < 1340137839 687982 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what reports however < 1340137846 22529 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think each service has their pros and cons < 1340137850 320579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC World Service is like the world's TV channel < 1340137852 724200 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll fund the BBC if you host our military bases < 1340137857 682613 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340137862 135295 :Guest24216!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340137873 698583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for the English speaking part only I guess? < 1340137876 674820 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with CNN and FOX is the newscasters become more like actors < 1340137880 175108 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than reporters < 1340137897 78772 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show becomes centered on the reporter < 1340137902 238664 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the content of the report < 1340137906 277667 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example < 1340137908 924425 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent actually seen american tv much.. like real american tv < 1340137916 926987 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 Student Uprising in Iran < 1340137917 645968 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear about it offhand < 1340137919 245243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, primarily the war-torn bits where the only domestic channel is controlled by the government, I think < 1340137922 361374 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes on the air for like a week < 1340137928 631714 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then michael jackson dies < 1340137935 815052 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hes on the news for 6 months < 1340137944 625729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, for news I just prefer a news paper. Higher quality journalism. Especially higher quality investigative journalism. < 1340137944 785659 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with this picture? < 1340137947 138077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, that's the media in general < 1340137950 663767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with SvD in Sweden < 1340137964 676491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah < 1340137968 782745 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah or the blogosphere < 1340138016 902866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, not the way it was in the high quality morning news papers here. < 1340138030 190796 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1340138033 933376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden < 1340138047 166083 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, and Brits on holiday. It's in English, it's broadcast in Italy, and it's got less adverts than content < 1340138049 389414 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138050 511904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, michael jackson death was news like one day. < 1340138055 759201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not major news iirc < 1340138058 371182 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1340138060 303845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish national broadcast company (YLE) has this "TV Finland" for Finnish people who have the misfortune to live abroad. < 1340138067 283244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, heh < 1340138072 721163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broadcast through some satellites. < 1340138083 5608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Swedish Radio has some sort of international broadcast < 1340138085 623737 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138086 509965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the TV < 1340138088 745385 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to check it out. < 1340138097 432577 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to the nearest IKEA/ < 1340138107 332450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when I learn Finnish, I may watch that < 1340138107 569311 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1340138110 983148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen it anywhere in e.g. any hotels, though, unlike BBC World which is just everywhere. < 1340138111 747445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, I doubt they have Swedish daily news papers there < 1340138114 19913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they < 1340138118 731285 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should < 1340138121 342210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1340138126 241796 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1340138132 995110 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they dont. < 1340138153 682677 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are all over the world, they should bring those newspapers along with them. < 1340138164 678002 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we are on the topic of blogosphere < 1340138179 317555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, as far as I understood they try to sell Swedish stuff to non-Swedes abroad, rather than carter for the minor group that consists of Swedes living abroad. < 1340138191 577007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they broadcast it through "THOR 5" and it's visible pretty much in Europe. < 1340138193 76896 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent this link to me if you are all interested in checking out... www.facebook.com/hereismyvote < 1340138202 184189 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree vorpal < 1340138212 875234 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not seem to care much for actual swedes < 1340138236 553908 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just market the "swedishness" and wait for the $$$ to roll in < 1340138252 488217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to beam some radio channels into other satellites but they seem to have stopped that. < 1340138274 257127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, in Sweden IKEA pretty much just sell furniture and that sort of stuff. Sometimes there is a lunch restaurant in connection to it as well, and maybe one of those usual ice cream boxes at the checkouts. None of all that crazy stuff I hear they do abroad. < 1340138296 472134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not just maybe. Ice cream boxes are everywhere < 1340138300 920123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all the radio stations you can nowadays get through the interweb, which might explain that. < 1340138323 907547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: i'm torn because you have joined the conversation - but if you paste that link again i _will_ ban you. < 1340138340 985508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Finnish IKEAs I've visited have had a restaurant. Not that it's a very special restaurant. < 1340138356 43460 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340138360 499902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a meatball discount with the IKEA customer card dealie. < 1340138366 370499 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused what is the rule for link posts? < 1340138367 313646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is Krauta (spelling?) Finnish btw? < 1340138381 666338 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i want to share other article < 1340138382 37604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they sell planks and nails and screws and so on < 1340138385 611424 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will get banned? < 1340138386 822741 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :K-Rauta < 1340138392 479202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe < 1340138406 457338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes. < 1340138421 675572 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138430 386098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, it is spammy. You are self promoting in a way similar to a spambot on a forum :P < 1340138441 922115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's part of the same corporate structure as the "KKK SuperMarkets" I mentioned before. < 1340138444 982029 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are spam bots that smart? < 1340138453 196795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure someone can explain that better < 1340138459 223614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at oerjan
< 1340138476 813633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm we don't have that chain < 1340138477 9849 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really self promotion however < 1340138483 19335 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pertains to a cause lol < 1340138485 883145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, K-Rauta is the only one I know of < 1340138494 576888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, well, cause promotion then < 1340138508 149992 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :human rights is not worthy? < 1340138508 751471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does "Rauta" mean? < 1340138515 330573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Iron". < 1340138516 369763 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not marketing gillete to you all < 1340138530 510022 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sending garbage links with trojans < 1340138537 363960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, I wouldn't post links about amnesty international here either, unless that was relevant to the discussed topic < 1340138586 525047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't checked your link, I hope that was a different organisation than what you used) < 1340138600 373760 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340138601 970995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unsolicited marketing. Whether it is a good cause or not is irrelevant when it is presented in that form < 1340138602 366843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Rautakauppa" (lit. "iron store") is the common Finnish term for a "hardware store" like that. < 1340138616 221949 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1340138627 482564 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not amnesty < 1340138634 534031 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with the blogosphere < 1340138642 930298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: well both your nickname _and_ the link url look suspicious to me. but in general, links should be relevant to the channel. and moreover, it should be _very_ relevant if it's the first thing you say when you join here for the first time... < 1340138646 814701 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when speaking of IT gadgets "rauta" can mean "hardware" < 1340138664 560553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. Here it is "byggvaruhandel" (lit. "building commodity trader" I guess?) < 1340138680 391427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, England and France have advanced to the knock out stages, at the expense of Ukraine and Sweden < 1340138682 699181 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan < 1340138688 847938 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look spammy < 1340138694 900470 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to post link on first introduction < 1340138698 381683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, maybe we /should/ discuss something on topic for once? < 1340138714 316742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we do when they happen to come up of course < 1340138723 625672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that is never when new people join :/ < 1340138763 578455 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340138768 346333 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a deafening silence < 1340138771 120990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1340138799 958026 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is behind that link? (browser being in facebook blacklist, not having facebook account, etc.) < 1340138820 2526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah who has a facebook account? Google+ FTW! ;P < 1340138834 294935 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340138837 80531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a Google+ account. I don't use it. I don't have facebook or twitter or anything) < 1340138865 230292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need an account to see it, but navigating the 'book was too annoying with the phone to try to figure out what it was about. < 1340138874 835669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have root access to a VPS running nginx, it is enough if I need to upload something that doesn't fit into a pastebin < 1340138881 751014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Google+ but google says my browser is no longer supported < 1340138890 870873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a G+ thing too. I think I added a maybe-elliott to my circles. < 1340138907 723882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what browser is that!? < 1340138918 472540 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 < 1340138958 586753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maybe-elliott had the default silhouette avatar picture as avatar, except it was upside down, as I recall. < 1340138967 773213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the link is about whether iran should be an islamic republic (NO) < 1340138968 174785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue with facebook. If I go to like a public profile page and there are some truncated (by "...") posts in the section where stuff from their friends show up, it wants me to login to read what is behind that "..." < 1340138970 566025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER < 1340138975 795406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do view source < 1340138980 347031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the full message is there < 1340138987 262536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _very_ off-topic i'd say. < 1340138999 800417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of comments in arabic writing. < 1340139006 924527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alphabet < 1340139016 970566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's probably farsi rather than arabic < 1340139062 485623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the maybe elliott added me < 1340139075 920915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trapped me in a circle or whatever < 1340139149 701830 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.that facebook page shows me login dialog and nothing else < 1340139169 127337 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? < 1340139171 277729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would personally advise against doing politic opinion in this channel in general. Politic analysis is fine I guess if there is nothing more interesting going on. (example: "Hey, X won the election in Greece, now what is going to happen to the Euro I wonder?") < 1340139171 438840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: it's the kind of link that wouldn't be an issue if you'd been a regular here for months, but which definitely is an issue when you do it on your first day. < 1340139182 748507 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340139197 258596 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought conversation changed by now lol < 1340139199 807175 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spam it twice in first hour < 1340139215 894957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no repeating indeed I would say < 1340139226 837746 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340139274 773759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, /has/ any conclusion been reached with respect to the election in Greece? < 1340139310 637919 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like < 1340139315 332324 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be on the Euro < 1340139323 599601 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however what evades me < 1340139331 166821 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the UK was never on the Euro < 1340139337 277132 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why should Greece? < 1340139363 473228 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be that nothing good has come of the Euro. < 1340139364 715271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, the UK got a special opt-out < 1340139370 126699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are on the Euro already. The issue is that they didn't manage finances correctly. So they are essential bankrupt < 1340139381 729256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if we disallowed it altogether we'd have to ban pikhq long ago :P < 1340139384 784767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from various emergency things) < 1340139391 115175 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the issue < 1340139392 140277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with one of Denmark and Sweden, the other of which is sorta never going to use the Euro anyway < 1340139397 70972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh yeah right. I said I would advise against it < 1340139398 328074 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were not on the Euro < 1340139403 234900 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they joined the euro < 1340139406 980315 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greecee < 1340139407 341736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no Sweden didn't get an opt-out < 1340139413 329594 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denmark, then < 1340139431 869789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, iirc we just lie and say we are not fulfilling the requirements XD (This *may* be an urban myth, I don't know) < 1340139433 696058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :denmark has an opt-out, sweden is using tactics to avoid the issue < 1340139435 129227 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is prior to the Euro Greece was not doing well but they were not doing terrible < 1340139460 360286 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I knew that it was Denmark and Sweden, but not which way round < 1340139477 429512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we would have gotten an opt-out though < 1340139481 780140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now < 1340139488 150032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have to continue like this I guess < 1340139502 718270 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to wait and see < 1340139506 147756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you happen to know the exact form of that tactic? Is it just what I said above? < 1340139511 942884 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of which econoomic stan dard < 1340139512 640596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: presumably greece thought it would be good to join, even if they had to lie to achieve it < 1340139514 249949 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, assassinate all the pro-euro greek polititians < 1340139530 182042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more or less, i think... < 1340139534 369660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I think that is the reverse of what the rest of Europe wants? < 1340139541 452413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1340139546 303885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's what Sweden wants! < 1340139567 759258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1340139572 482581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think so? < 1340139586 870201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: except i think it's probably _technically_ not a lie that you are not fulfilling the technical requirements - but that's not because you can't, but because you're not at all _trying_ :P < 1340139615 497297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically Greece would go bankrupt if they left the Euro. Currently they are managing to avoid that thanks to various emergency solutions. < 1340139624 889591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1340139638 500483 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps even intentionally not fulfilling them. :) < 1340139662 859873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the technical requirements then? I thought it was something wrt. the budget deficit or something? < 1340139694 969128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would be political suicide for any Swedish government to try to introduce the Euro. Especially now. < 1340139695 823765 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340139712 657645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139715 841408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340139725 853238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139731 57756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340139758 236367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm sure wikipedia knows all... < 1340139763 867018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a referendum about this a few years ago as well. Though iirc it was not mandatory for them to follow. Just "vägledande" (whatever that translates to!) < 1340139778 381476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"advising" ? < 1340139780 59120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Could you gloss the morphemes? < 1340139782 558790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly? < 1340139783 956585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advisory < 1340139786 528301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1340139811 642634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit I'm having to use google translate a lot when discussing this. I can manage just fine when discussing computers and such. But politics? Nope. < 1340139814 349047 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340139835 237672 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Gloss" in this context means to give a short word or phrase describing it, "morpheme" means, well, the individual parts composing a word. < 1340139837 12200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the morphemes help much, it means "way guiding" < 1340139848 609581 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alas, not much help. < 1340139856 151531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't that I don't know the words. I recognize which one is the correct when google translate gives me the list. I just can't actively remember the translations) < 1340139860 839734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in this particular context "advisory" at least makes *sense*. < 1340139865 247394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think advisory is what is meant < 1340139871 224341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah probably advisory < 1340139880 811842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate suggested "indicative" which just sounded wrong < 1340139942 955741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if I put in "vägledande folkomröstning" it suggests "consultative referendum" < 1340139947 461225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does that make any sense? < 1340139947 656649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair all norwegian referenda are "veiledende", as there is nothing in the constitution requiring parliament to follow them < 1340139948 173318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's pretty much a government-backed survey < 1340139952 318966 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, certainly. < 1340139961 515626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, more than it does to me < 1340139963 452467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right consultative may be more precise < 1340139976 115676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yeah < 1340139998 883937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there have been suggestions to change the constitution about this, i don't _think_ they have done so) < 1340140008 728933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was funny you know. We voted no to nuclear power back in the 70s or 80s iirc. But since it was just consultative they did the opposite thing. < 1340140023 15046 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the US there are no federal referenda, and the state-level ones vary by state... < 1340140040 634779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think all our referenda are consultative as well < 1340140049 958969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hell, there's technically no national *elections* at all) < 1340140065 147845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually it is political suicide to go against the result of a referendum < 1340140149 472442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the referendum about nuclear power was along the lines of "should we shut down the ones we have within x years and not build any new", so I guess they counted on people forgetting the whole thing when it was actually time to shut them down. < 1340140153 662831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't quote me on that < 1340140198 135024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think it's technically permissible for a state of the US to be a straight monarchy, with only the Representatives elected. < 1340140202 452187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sweden maintains being part of ERM II is a required criterion and joining ERM II is voluntary,[3][4] giving Sweden a de facto opt out." < 1340140208 595604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_and_the_euro < 1340140219 3475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah thanks < 1340140231 813956 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340140244 794165 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the page I "like" < 1340140250 563305 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1340140252 722179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah nice < 1340140283 909828 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first there was askjeeves, then there was ask, now there is wikipedia. wooo < 1340140287 217065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, 17th amendment estabilishes direct election of Senators, too. < 1340140312 289900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Congress must be elected, nobody else *has* to be. < 1340140322 730400 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1340140334 271256 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is screwed up < 1340140348 274036 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The President is elected by electors, appointed by each state in a manner they choose. < 1340140373 599725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny that our current currency is a result of an old Nordic monetary union (which didn't last) < 1340140383 324134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name of it that is < 1340140387 280845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :current currency. < 1340140387 440868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the federal government does not regulate how each state does any of their own elections, except for antidiscrimination stuff... < 1340140390 558987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :currency. < 1340140397 78602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do electors have to vote for the candidate people voted for? < 1340140409 109064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, hm? < 1340140419 351851 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The electors do not even have to be *voted for by people*. < 1340140427 745264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you in a golfing mood? < 1340140430 477167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1340140431 102185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]] < 1340140432 929490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: But, most every *state* mandates that, yes. < 1340140433 109486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11 < 1340140433 806422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(1000^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1340140447 614773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no. Also it was needed since I discussed an historical context. < 1340140459 411690 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It would be permissible for the King of $state to appoint electors to vote for a President. < 1340140481 962353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And before 1913 it was also permissible for the King of $state to appoint senators. < 1340140494 955806 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't democracy mandated more than that? < 1340140499 924328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they used to have kinds? < 1340140502 663494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kings* < 1340140505 164530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1340140505 875245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of doubt that < 1340140508 575731 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it's permitted. < 1340140531 610892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The United States *de jure* functions more like a slightly stronger EU than as a single nation. < 1340140548 601141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in practise it is a lot stronger than that though < 1340140558 632923 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is why I specified de jure. :) < 1340140568 760978 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340140589 694242 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole idea of EU seems somewhat illogical < 1340140589 854262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main de jure difference is member states are forbidden from engaging in declarations of war or treaties. < 1340140597 988057 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what used to be former waring nations < 1340140607 181763 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1340140626 383172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_accessories#Messenger_Kit <-- why is this a thing? < 1340140631 111636 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even within the nations < 1340140646 393518 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a lack of continuity < 1340140669 706045 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if on the most basic level there is conflict < 1340140684 847693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for the ban on treaties, I think you could have something be both a state in the US and a nation in the EU. < 1340140685 937426 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how can the EU span several nations < 1340140719 504728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: um avoiding new wars was a main _reason_ for the EU... < 1340140750 657724 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it does not make sense < 1340140763 811779 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have almost wars within these supposed "nations" < 1340140775 382415 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :car bombs in spain by extremist factions of the basque countyr < 1340140801 186709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not from a separate country < 1340140802 464355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well too much is swept under the carpet < 1340140808 765733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a county within Spain < 1340140813 752307 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greece always had several groups residing within this "nation" < 1340140815 907401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it is like IRA or such < 1340140824 371707 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim to be 100% homogenous < 1340140835 366186 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is greek? < 1340140844 737616 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always was a melting pot < 1340140856 813558 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it becomes "european" or "european-like" < 1340140858 520200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Yeah yeah yeah, hardly anything's an actual nation-state. < 1340140875 560448 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great ideas came from greece < 1340140880 961201 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a practical state < 1340140887 445966 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its internal issues must be resolved first < 1340140892 496711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, originally EU started as a trade treaty to prevent Germany and France from going to war again after the second world war pretty much < 1340140909 822255 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look at the direction it is going < 1340140919 918947 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are goin to include turkey they might as well include Iran < 1340140920 96485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so far it managed to prevent a war < 1340140955 369780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are setting certain requirements that Turkey would have to fullfill first. < 1340140969 656356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not going to accept them in their current state < 1340140978 283705 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iran or Turkey < 1340140988 691864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turkey. And hardly Iran either < 1340141004 3708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides Turkey is at least partly in Europe. Iran is not. Calling it EU would be silly then < 1340141012 659465 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1340141014 15889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Israel and Morocco both applied to join the EU < 1340141018 828467 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iran Armenia < 1340141027 122449 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :share a history with the rest of europe < 1340141032 702236 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persia and Greece < 1340141038 111923 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traded with each other < 1340141041 717119 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought with each other < 1340141048 577222 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a cultural exchange < 1340141053 818165 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Europe" as far as the EU is concerned is whatever the European Council feels is European. < 1340141059 787813 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe in theory < 1340141062 346578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, so does North Africa < 1340141064 113813 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could extend as far as india < 1340141069 882955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. So what? Sweden fought Denmark before in history. Later on we supported them when they fought Nazi Germany < 1340141080 205208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bits of North America < 1340141086 519437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Europe" de jure could include all locations. < 1340141088 116343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1340141153 953112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grin* < 1340141174 591968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With consent of Congress, a state can enter in compacts or agreements with foreign powers. < 1340141181 486031 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in theory a state could join the EU. < 1340141188 628476 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340141193 11903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could not make the Euro legal tender. < 1340141193 418701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not sure the EU would be all that happy about it though? < 1340141201 503750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Almost certainly not. < 1340141207 478037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be interesting, certainly < 1340141218 686442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state also entered the Schengen area < 1340141234 495561 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the US's border control pretty much destroyed < 1340141234 655691 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141252 862790 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141258 274718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, can I borrow your cloning machine? < 1340141262 79109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not really. As far as I can tell, states *may* estabilish controlled borders. < 1340141268 785602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah the issue is that Schengen mandates border control against non-Schengen < 1340141284 177746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: are you new? < 1340141287 498340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, does it? Hmm < 1340141295 838722 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141296 921670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it'd still be interesting < 1340141310 994882 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to irc < 1340141314 784319 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this forum yes < 1340141318 976941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome likethepage < 1340141321 888887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1340141325 184114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already did that < 1340141328 744458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340141335 123880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yep. IIRC Switzerland joined and one of those countries that are too tiny to be on a map which have borders with Switzerland got annoyed due to the queues when commuting. < 1340141345 642683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liechtenstein perhaps? < 1340141346 727945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1340141349 618857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a few years ago < 1340141359 286282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd have to be Liechtenstein < 1340141367 919818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nowhere near Andorra < 1340141368 924370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't that against the rule that interstate trade is only federally regulated? < 1340141373 583187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, right < 1340141384 209831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not that interstate trade is *only* federally regulated. < 1340141392 770079 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's that interstate trade *may be* federally regulated. < 1340141409 1147 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes but only if you will use it < 1340141421 41819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: States are forbidden from imposing taxes or duties on their borders. < 1340141437 827621 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Without consent of Congress. < 1340141447 697044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1340141457 610619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (. | for good. | for evil. | for good or evil. ) < 1340141464 825695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141476 207607 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what's the one so I can have a clone of my own? < 1340141485 212316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for evil < 1340141517 814414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, isn't there an option for true neutral!? < 1340141518 533090 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to think < 1340141532 967960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well.. thats the problem with these regex's < 1340141533 127926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is theoretically possible, I *think*, for you to hack a state into being a full member of the EU, modulo the Eurozone. < 1340141546 84544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340141546 941588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's even feasible if the US adopts the Euro. < 1340141561 444990 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141568 458213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141570 585917 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything in law is "theoretically possible" < 1340141575 583425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, didn't the states of the early US all have their own currency? < 1340141578 486930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just made up as you go < 1340141581 99376 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1340141591 67439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, and also many foreign currencies were in use < 1340141592 994448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, hey just do (true neutral|(lawful|neutral|chaotic) (good|neutral|evil)) < 1340141603 573200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but those were all either direct gold or silver, or not legal tender. < 1340141605 76544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that allows neutral neutral, but I seen that used, so meh) < 1340141625 969132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1340141629 141020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: States can only make gold or silver legal tender. But, there's nothing banning them from non-tender currencies. < 1340141662 941327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything against a state passing a law requiring everyone to accept Euros? < 1340141694 10149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it depends what you mean by "early US" < 1340141702 683657 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" itidus21, can I borrow your cloning machine?" Taneb: yes but only if you will use it (. | for good. | for evil. | for good or evil. | for (true neutral|(lawful|neutral|chaotic) (good|neutral|evil)).) < 1340141707 910265 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something to that effect < 1340141708 540151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think under the Articles of Confederation, state banknotes were widely used < 1340141713 135039 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Continental Congress printed paper money which was so depreciated that it ceased to pass as currency" < 1340141716 776120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No State shall [...] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts" < 1340141721 460303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, hey you should remove the other options < 1340141736 167185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, can I use it for neutral good? < 1340141737 703220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you either go for the DnD system completely or you don't (And DnD 4 doesn't count) < 1340141744 967642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, "No State shall [...] coin Money" < 1340141752 930690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ahh because the | implies the or < 1340141756 851706 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340141774 319649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't mean they can't force places to use it? < 1340141774 750353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes but saying "for evil" doesn't make sense here < 1340141785 969547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wait, are all the mints in DC or what? < 1340141792 234374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, you immediately asks if it is for chaotic evil or lawful evil < 1340141801 344829 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340141801 880669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps even neutral evil < 1340141807 125465 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all too much for me < 1340141807 285429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask yourself* < 1340141812 977411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, never played DnD? < 1340141829 895487 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There's nothing forbidding minting happening *in* a state. < 1340141835 84716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just can't be done *by* a state. < 1340141837 608374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1340141839 883875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you could go play a game based on DnD (such as NWN) < 1340141846 42589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnE < 1340141853 935586 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke for me was "yes but only if you will use it." which breaks the expectation of the word for < 1340141904 122536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that works to < 1340141905 44374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1340141920 705735 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how much *other* "consent of Congress" stuff happening, I think it would work just fine if the US Mint just minted Euros for states in the EU. < 1340141924 277351 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is heavily implied that a cloning machine's usage has questionable allegience < 1340141950 164302 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, all < 1340141952 994859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340141995 842406 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, err, why would the US Mint do that? < 1340142017 373115 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: By "states in the EU" I mean "states of the US that are also in the EU". < 1340142028 613898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I am discussing a really insane hypothetical. < 1340142037 484192 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like normally you would reply "yes but only if you will use it." if someone asks if you should buy something.. such as a bike < 1340142072 433528 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy that abflexer? Sure, but only if you will use it. < 1340142105 642446 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the Canadian mint prints money for various third world countries < 1340142108 758379 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :under contract < 1340142139 816769 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you teach me kung fu? Yes, but only if you will use it for good. < 1340142209 40098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master, teach me in the ways of the dark side of the force! OK, but only if you will use it for evil. < 1340142323 476230 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think the existing EU treaties limit its membership to things actually in europe < 1340142357 184033 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Actually, they restrict membership to "European" countries, where "European" means "European in the judgement of the Council of Europe". < 1340142389 453931 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the latter pretty much means "actually in europe" < 1340142393 710633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: there is a non-European country in the EU < 1340142395 643893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget which. < 1340142399 758731 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyprus? < 1340142403 288791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think < 1340142413 147244 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part < 1340142416 753754 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :north or south < 1340142417 819366 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern < 1340142423 460544 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, legally all of it < 1340142443 173492 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but represented by the Republic of Cyprus government which only controls the southern two-thirds < 1340142478 385221 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the Republic of Cyprus government was therefore forced to greatly loosen restrictions at its border with the TRNC < 1340142490 228128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Please, I'm discussing a hypothetical scenario where Congress consents like a dozen different ways to a state engaging in a treaty that requires it to estabilish border controls and have a different currency. < 1340142498 263458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding one more impossibility is not a big deal. < 1340142537 536739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix < 1340142539 145596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9169046/writing-in-pointfree-style-f-x-g-x-x/9169089#9169089 sometime < 1340142554 223374 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the territory of the TRNC is legally also "in the EU" and under the EU treaties Cyprus can't interfere too much with the free movement of labour and capital "within the EU" < 1340142559 888994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1340142570 362596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1340142574 477042 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340142581 629140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: cute! < 1340142668 776184 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, Cyprus keeps saying they're going to join the Schengen area < 1340142737 606254 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other Schengen states keep pointing out that Cyprus doesn't even control many of the points of entry to its "territory", much less have them up to standard for external schengen borders < 1340142977 864099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what i'm missing here is the part which forbits northern cypriots from trading with the EU < 1340142991 381506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're supposedly in it < 1340142999 392997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forbids < 1340143113 325800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conveniently wikipedia also has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus_and_the_European_Union < 1340143132 7683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340143138 155769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone discussing the eu < 1340143145 159305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea! < 1340143149 547766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1340143151 531959 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one option < 1340143169 504313 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the eu is bad because britain should stand proud and alone < 1340143186 514658 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it has to do with me bringing up the topic of indo-european struggle < 1340143200 445273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned indos < 1340143200 618322 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for secular democracy and posting a link < 1340143210 331065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : speaking of which, /has/ any conclusion been reached with respect to the election in Greece? < 1340143213 598369 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting themselves before us europeans < 1340143221 353677 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are "european" < 1340143223 333139 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i heard < 1340143229 289987 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will stay in the Eurozone < 1340143234 315877 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to their own detriment < 1340143243 140446 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spain should pull out < 1340143246 672533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was of course triggered by likethepage as implied < 1340143257 915928 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their exports were doing great until they joined < 1340143277 182210 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1340143284 959043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage, stop bashing the eu you right-wing fanny < 1340143290 191001 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1340143322 342004 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems benificial for other nations < 1340143331 361927 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but south europe seems to be damaged by it < 1340143334 61081 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly < 1340143337 932855 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go to greece! < 1340143338 299628 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food is very expensive < 1340143386 30469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:18: The maybe-elliott had the default silhouette avatar picture as avatar, except it was upside down, as I recall. < 1340143391 592086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: the germans are going to claim it's because south europe doesn't have fiscal responsibility. < 1340143392 17044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's me. I deleted my Google+ account. < 1340143399 1593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The avatar has stayed, though, and now shows in Gmail. < 1340143411 107690 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont have fiscal responsibility < 1340143439 433214 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they joined a very experimental currency < 1340143449 504582 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is bound to incur problems < 1340143458 706118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spain specifically also had the real estate bubble from hell < 1340143465 361892 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340143477 432060 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recovering from a civil war < 1340143483 645108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which _should_ worry us norwegians, who have one which hasn't burst yet < 1340143508 363762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :likethepage: um that was like 70 years ago. < 1340143553 937587 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-ww2 < 1340143608 877299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The avatar has stayed, though, and now shows in Gmail. <-- Can't you change it? < 1340143625 640084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : likethepage: the germans are going to claim it's because south europe doesn't have fiscal responsibility. <-- that is kind of true though < 1340143721 554514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have the oil though. You don't need to worry. And even if it went to hell you are not in the Euro, so the collateral damage will be somewhat limited. So it is all well and good anyway < 1340143785 545859 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings from Poland < 1340143786 809733 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340143789 907748 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1340143829 573645 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain had reasonable levels of fiscal responsibility before the crash < 1340143837 381239 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just screwed over because the ECB are jerks < 1340143902 133788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, maybe. Not Italy and Greece though < 1340143919 353669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why was the real estate bubble allowed to grow like that < 1340143926 793962 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :italy is/was kind of borderline < 1340143949 648450 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greece's fiscal situation was truly bad < 1340143991 692533 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others could be fine with monetary stimulus, but the ECB only cares about germany < 1340144071 457021 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so norway does not need to worry) < 1340144329 409674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway isn't an EU or Eurozone member. our problem is that the real estate bubble implies we should increase interest rates, but the crisis in the rest of the world implies we need to keep them down not to destroy all exports other than oil... < 1340144357 430917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the central bank obviously focuses more on the latter, leaving the bubble to keep growing... < 1340144377 193118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340144444 944482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it going with your oil, anyway? Still flowing? < 1340144473 911391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.energyinsights.net/cgi-script/csArticles/uploads/4690/oil-production-norway.gif looks kinda down-slopey. < 1340144478 111638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i think there've even been some recent major discoveries, although there _is_ a general transition to natural gas < 1340144492 269300 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky bastards < 1340144504 824365 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*6<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2---(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340144507 381915 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 56.7 < 1340144514 932415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: HEY NO BEING ON TOPIC < 1340144522 472170 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live on a sea of gas here < 1340144530 765559 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's first place... < 1340144533 823047 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only way to obtain it is fracking < 1340144538 36198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: OK THEN < 1340144547 272673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i thought quintopia had got his up to 60... < 1340144562 255642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you pushed him down then. < 1340144567 827302 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1340144569 822400 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poland sold the mining sites to the USA for nothing < 1340144590 707745 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know how it'll work with the new scoring system. < 1340144609 69150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: you're in some kind of mutual optimization game, then? does it converge? :P < 1340144643 420822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It would be hilarious if it resulted in exponentially increasing source text length. < 1340144651 486564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Soon they'll be pastebinning gigabytes of bfjoust. < 1340144663 967434 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340144668 688379 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;d < 1340144683 989623 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leviathan = 1 line space_elevator = lots of lines < 1340144685 619468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,| < 1340144686 156323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340144694 523930 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least not spamming it to channel < 1340144696 220349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um i think ais523 has previously noted that he has to shorten his warriors due to length limitation < 1340144726 451898 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit is 200kb. < 1340144729 259158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They'll petition Gregor to increase the limits to a gigabyte in order not to be discriminatory due to physical attributes. < 1340144750 531201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the programs can help their length, after all. < 1340144795 115463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/long/concisitually challenged/ < 1340144900 81041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you realize there is a theory of BFJoust programming that treats everything as branching on [, giving depth 100000 loops... < 1340144924 928723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically order 2^100000 length programs < 1340144974 646351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well-versed in theory of BFJoust programming, to be honest. I hear you have to study in a monastery at least seventeen years in order to get a grasp on that. < 1340144975 410529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not branching _every_ instruction, but never executing ] if it slows down your strategy < 1340144976 253374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am glad the restrictions make that impossible < 1340144979 967275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: i thought it was a megabyte or so < 1340145031 797390 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellliott: No, it's 200kb. < 1340145039 432933 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it changed. < 1340145046 237594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's your pastebin's limit? :P < 1340145056 567999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not well versed either, but sometimes with the length limitations you are forced to use precious time _exiting_ loops < 1340145076 914135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How philosophically repugnant. < 1340145099 522300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while if you could always just go deeper, you would only have to execute [ or ] in places you want to < 1340145113 112175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ] should be free :P < 1340145127 534544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus messing up everyone's timed loops < 1340145127 694398 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2---(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340145130 326882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 57.1 < 1340145187 941265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : leviathan = 1 line <-- kind of ironically named, then? :P < 1340145236 164906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an interesting thought, actually < 1340145242 59312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just change ] to .] in existing programs < 1340145250 573726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fear it'd make triplocking invincible < 1340145271 268018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think we came up with a way to break ] being free when developing the timing rules < 1340145271 547832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there was a one-cycle lag on ] (as in, it gave you the value at the start of the /previous/ cycle) < 1340145543 889172 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2)*2((-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*6<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(+)*42>(-)*46>(-)*48)*2(>)*3(([(+)*4[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[(-)*38[+][-][+]]>{}]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340145546 536440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 57.4 < 1340145581 309286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: weird < 1340145587 784905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could work < 1340145800 53012 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340146620 458119 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340146840 473228 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340146867 245240 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340146882 469179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340146893 459059 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340147191 544433 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B7EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340147819 472747 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148231 459377 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148329 810779 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1340148571 600422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I played a bit more wind waker. Wow the sailing is awesome. The interaction with wind is so realistic :D < 1340148634 558978 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340148659 515844 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a sarcastic thing? < 1340148667 107577 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148674 434539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what no? < 1340148700 619062 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't recall it being particularly realistic. < 1340148722 414615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can still sail upwind a bit, can't you? < 1340148735 910951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can in real boats too though < 1340148743 653318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is slow, but it is possible < 1340148770 51983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sail about 45 degrees from the wind if your boat has a triangular rig. < 1340148783 947595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square rigs are terrible at going upwind AFAIK. < 1340148794 429947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1340148804 540635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a certain point you can't get any propulsion from the wind at all, the sail just flaps. < 1340148829 899873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1340148843 773053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this. I used to sail in dinghy when I was younger < 1340148860 824198 :likethepage!~likethepa@ip-64-134-239-118.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340148864 135845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe class, so obviously a mostly triangular sail < 1340148876 21949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is slightly curved) < 1340148877 826166 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, simply going faster when you're sailing downwind doesn't make it 'so realistic'. < 1340148926 755579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boat can jump too, so that isn't very realistic either < 1340148930 650404 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1340148937 284077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway you can't sail straight upwind < 1340148945 200875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish boats can't jump?? < 1340148948 834682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340148951 351646 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1340148969 590328 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get over whirlpools and rocks? < 1340148986 328317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by beating down the obstacle like real men < 1340148991 7720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just get out and do it < 1340149018 31799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... beat down a whirlpool? < 1340149043 418524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, haven't you ever been trained in that? < 1340149063 949359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, we can just jump over them. < 1340149073 161523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what if you are swimming? < 1340149109 630090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What difference does that make? < 1340149133 819808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jump while you swim? < 1340149147 321559 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else would we get over whirlpools? < 1340149210 766449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just beat them down. whirlpools are an endangered species due to that in Sweden < 1340149230 319950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother, when you can jump? < 1340149249 159884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no one told us that we could do that < 1340149430 229286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340149480 629805 :atrapado!~za@95.169.243.166 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340149539 632966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340149878 107079 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's colder than ceres down here < 1340149888 237604 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@weather melbourne < 1340149888 590290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340149895 450032 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm do we have a weather bot? < 1340149901 580878 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^weather melbourne < 1340149913 318018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1340149961 776133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/w* < 1340149964 198692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/welcome \ bin/wl \ bin/word \ bin/words \ bin/wtf < 1340149975 320675 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather is stupid anyway < 1340150012 8194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognitive dissonance! < 1340150067 957907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i worked out that the kind of data i seek about games is a bit like video game archaeology < 1340150195 916131 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Archaeology does not include the discipline of paleontology" !?!