< 1340150520 192410 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wtf < 1340150522 681944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is like wtf < 1340150526 458285 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1340150529 902130 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft... < 1340150533 432772 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you even... < 1340150537 750005 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1340150541 469536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did MS do? < 1340150545 692792 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, in MSVC, if you define _HAS_EXCEPTIONS to 0 < 1340150549 631226 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then include < 1340150552 72345 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what it does? < 1340150575 382232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : sets _HAS_EXCEPTIONS to 1? < 1340150578 370618 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1340150579 271014 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1340150583 73843 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it declards ::type_info < 1340150586 123155 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*declares < 1340150595 550042 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typeid() has return type const ::type_info < 1340150606 100981 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no std::type_info, though! < 1340150743 310118 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what you might call the science between fizzie's Internet Game Car Database ( www.igcd.net ) finding. < 1340150770 406550 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. should I write my os in lisp instead of forth? < 1340150783 77848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It smells like archaeology or paleontology though. < 1340150814 674807 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a database where people collect sightings of real-world cars in video games. < 1340150903 440543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang < 1340150903 864682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1340150974 782134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster NICK :Vorpal_ < 1340150977 664260 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster NICK :Vorpal < 1340150981 602716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabot < 1340150981 979492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1340150997 787791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not sure what you might call the science between fizzie's Internet Game Car Database ( www.igcd.net ) finding. <-- I'm half alseep but what does fizzie have to do with it? < 1340151014 657182 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he linked to that website the other day in here < 1340151021 713482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise nothing :P < 1340151029 347751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1340151034 45304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1340151128 764820 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it seems to me like a potential science < 1340151156 89632 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and time will tell if i'm the man crazy enough to found it < 1340151175 25693 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(y)(z)a(a(a)~a*^*)~a*^*S < 1340151175 746365 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)(y)(z) < 1340151234 747710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: btw i like to use (~aS:^):^ for debugging < 1340151245 997046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(y)(z)(~aS:^):^ < 1340151246 952168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(z)(y)(x) ...out of stack! < 1340151274 53479 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340151325 537265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340151399 941870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)~a*^ is a bit verbose version of ~a~ < 1340151468 335131 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have to formalize the activity before i can determine what the proper name for it is < 1340151478 55108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally i think ~a*^ is overkill if you are not touching stuff deeper than 2 stack elements < 1340151604 346386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear person criticising Clojure at a Clojure conference: Stop reflecting on the nature of criticism and get to substance. < 1340151615 429223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He did stop fwiw) < 1340151680 695324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340151813 126122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ANY PROGRESS < 1340151952 579400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick monqy :( < 1340152041 706189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu wat < 1340152061 158655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: KICK ME < 1340152066 415162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott < 1340152068 552339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not monqy < 1340152078 434029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uf < 1340152417 426222 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340153360 765557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a ~> a < 1340153363 461799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a ~> w (w a) < 1340153364 924754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a -> m a < 1340153367 630509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a -> m (w (w a)) < 1340153368 216763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1340153390 110292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend is... < 1340153393 285861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate . fmap f, right? < 1340153394 958763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1340153408 816794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) . fmap f < 1340153410 530390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (w :: * -> *) a (m :: * -> *) a1. (Functor w) => (a1 -> a) -> w a1 -> m (w (w a)) < 1340153416 343172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1340153433 989706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340153435 382848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap f . duplicate < 1340153440 356712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> fmap f . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153442 35011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (f :: * -> *) (w :: * -> *) a. (Functor f) => (w (w a) -> b) -> w a -> f b < 1340153448 350285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1340153478 976553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1340153488 873347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwat < 1340153510 679418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you get it to spit out the right signature < 1340153516 774427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have < 1340153535 400957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153540 375376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and w is Functor < 1340153541 455270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the type of < 1340153544 967911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f -> fmap f . duplicate < 1340153560 790422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1340153562 126614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that be < 1340153568 294400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x -> duplicate x >>= fmap f < 1340153570 153826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ? < 1340153570 701961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340153582 153735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um why is there both an m and a w < 1340153583 325656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the idea is to have a comonad in Kleisli m < 1340153584 803420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than Hask < 1340153591 840875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on something edwardk said < 1340153658 232636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> fmap f <=< (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153659 501593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall c (m :: * -> *) a. (Functor m, Monad m) => (m a -> c) -> m a -> m c < 1340153722 966560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340153774 884509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> liftM (fmap f) . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153776 241045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (f :: * -> *) (m :: * -> *) a. (Functor f, Monad m) => (f a -> b) -> f a -> m (f b) < 1340153786 93151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? < 1340153807 91176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might be. shouldn't it be (w a -> m b)? < 1340153901 872288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> join . liftM (fmap f) . (undefined :: w a -> m (w (w a))) < 1340153903 171790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a a1. (Monad m, Functor m) => (m a1 -> a) -> m a1 -> m a < 1340153908 590875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1340153974 878941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf is the type of f supposed to be, exactly? < 1340153984 891697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (w a -> m b), perhaps? < 1340153988 75857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not certain at all < 1340153989 643880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full type might be < 1340153996 850867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w a -> m b) -> w a -> w b < 1340153999 802437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340154001 556356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w a -> m b) -> w a -> m (w b) < 1340154288 300076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1340154295 486457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1340154355 329201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/v6ik6/a_notation_for_comonads_orchard_mycroft_pdf/c528kvc this was the source < 1340154358 640342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<oerjan> ok wtf is the type of f supposed to be, exactly? < 1340154358 799969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 f :: (w a -> m b), perhaps? < 1340154358 800170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 i'm not certain at all < 1340154358 800278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 the full type might be < 1340154358 800387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 (w a -> m b) -> w a -> w b < 1340154359 639842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 erm < 1340154361 643404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 (w a -> m b) -> w a -> m (w b) < 1340154606 953651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340157324 864426 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340157567 954748 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1340160299 523004 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good tool for computing a small brainfuck program to output a given string? < 1340160384 847325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly finding the smallest program is uncomputable, but i think you could do pretty well with a small bit of cleverness < 1340160865 455737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fix the strategy (as in Wikipedia's hello world example) of initializing n cells to some widely spaced values and then incrementing/decrementing those as needed < 1340162658 644178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy UPDATE also tswett < 1340162679 697432 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1340162708 281956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There are many tools to do that. < 1340162710 946100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Here's one. < 1340162714 756834 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​131 ++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++.<.>>-.<+.>-------.<----.-.<.>>++++++++++++++.>. [896] < 1340162876 738521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what strategy does it use < 1340162884 768679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Hello, brainfuck! < 1340162910 381791 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like what i said, but how does it find the sequence of moves < 1340162991 949028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's txtgen not textgen < 1340163026 173146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the author of the bot loves Microsoft... I mean, hi. < 1340163052 591039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Were 8.3 names in use anywhere besides DOS originally, or is it all DOS's fault?) < 1340163142 724300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'genetic' < 1340163175 295361 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CP/M < 1340163750 214204 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, brainfuck! < 1340163752 391977 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​183 ++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++++>++++++++>++++<<<<-]>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>..+++.>>----.------------.<++.<+++.>-.++++++++.+++++.<<+.>+++.<---.>>---.>+.-----------------------. [401] < 1340164552 112317 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think Gregor said that it's some kind of genetic algorithm, although i've read the source and i have a hunch it was actually hill-climbing < 1340164558 941118 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was years ago and i don't really care < 1340164569 92958 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's calamari's. < 1340164579 520589 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally not read a line of it. < 1340164581 964748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works. < 1340164619 734530 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Gregor/elliot & calamari/ probably < 1340164630 85955 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott likes to call everything a genetic algorithm < 1340164679 509897 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1340164687 854324 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott actually call it genetic just now :D < 1340164697 455601 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott � kmc: 'genetic'" this is so delicious < 1340164717 741937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1340164719 361430 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :����� < 1340164739 215241 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's easy to code a genetic algorithm which is effectively just hill climbing + noise < 1340164749 58440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 'genetic algorithm' sounds cool so... < 1340164750 505343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you see < 1340164751 176082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the '' < 1340164754 503232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ' ' < 1340164756 871561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trhe ' ' < 1340164761 106921 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, 'delicious' < 1340164769 182720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'genetic' like oklopol is 'smart' < 1340164775 26137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does delicious still exist? < 1340164789 858450 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is failing me < 1340164795 264912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it does! < 1340164799 65740 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: genetic is reserved for swapping parts of solutions. < 1340164813 27994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to find information on the initial register state of a MS-DOS .COM program < 1340164816 32530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i know < 1340164817 565907 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill-climbing + noise = hill-climbing < 1340164826 979314 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy to write a GA where crossover is never useful < 1340164830 684388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without realizing that you have done so < 1340164831 70435 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1340164848 24206 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are correct ofc < 1340164880 75568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3715618/how-does-dos-load-a-program-into-memory ? < 1340164891 925720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't know what "drive letter status" means < 1340164895 335018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed to find that by google < 1340164942 218558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kmc � but it's easy to write a GA where crossover is never useful" far easier than writing one where it is useful i hear < 1340164959 1864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also "fuck you", i'm really "mad" at you now < 1340164962 745994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever ago, i wrote a GA to solve knapsack problem < 1340164978 346080 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which crossover is trivial and (i think) useful < 1340164983 656606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are still better solutions to knapsack problem < 1340164983 914703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 'awesome' < 1340165024 241763 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh i wrote my bachelor's thesis on that < 1340165025 966083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :· < 1340165076 640927 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean just have a binary vector of which items you've taken, and then you swap parts of those? < 1340165089 512067 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1340165130 658108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was like 10 years ago < 1340165151 615422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it to figure out an efficient way to burn all my pirated music onto CD-ROMs < 1340165152 967968 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition is that crossover is utterly useless :/ < 1340165156 687686 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my MP3 CD player < 1340165156 944394 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1340165157 705950 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1340165162 150026 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1340165167 287029 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1340165213 481420 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340165220 874839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPATE < 1340165221 411576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3 CD player = best thing ever for like 2 years < 1340165222 532580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE < 1340165256 298145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's just such a direct walk to the pareto frontier, whereas crossover is usually useful when you have multiple subproblems you need to solve. < 1340165270 965830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1340165279 561592 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two items really need to occur together, how do you figure that out here unless you guess the right solution? < 1340165285 216062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why do you want the register state? < 1340165315 587691 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: writing a polyglot program, want it to be a .COM file as well < 1340165323 626528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/poly/polyglot.txt < 1340165414 698418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy tswett ^ update, as mentioned 3 minutes ago < 1340165477 70163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340165558 314852 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really knapsack and subset sum are an embarrassment among NP-hard problems < 1340165584 337743 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is 3sat really < 1340165603 443328 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean because the common instances are actually easy? < 1340165630 426864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well knapsack and subset sum also because there's a fully polynomial approximation algorithm < 1340165663 971075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get as close as you like in polynomial time ("fully" means that it's also polynomial w.r.t. 1/epsilon) < 1340165694 409644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's been a while since I played with Celestia < 1340165708 230920 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3sat i guess just because common instances are actually easy < 1340165732 790600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should figure out how to see the recent transit in Celestia < 1340165758 354830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the PTAS is a big deal < 1340165768 260519 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what "common instances" for SAT really means < 1340165783 982889 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because SAT solvers got really good, and so now people are reducing everything to SAT < 1340165805 32335 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus have rapidly approached the frontier of tractable SAT problems < 1340165811 431687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://github.com/Henne/dosbox-svn/blob/master/src/dos/dos_execute.cpp < 1340165840 235808 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a good point < 1340165860 834627 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: unfortunately that still doesn't tell me what's guaranteed by the "spec" < 1340165863 840117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's useful < 1340165872 404737 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't being very serious, i just haven't seen a good concise puzzle in the form of a 3sat instance. < 1340165877 463743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's a "spec"? < 1340165884 736950 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :concisely presented < 1340165894 527565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that there's only what Microsoft decided was worth keeping backwards-compatible. < 1340165897 767863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i doubt there is one < 1340165902 247965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is usually a lot, admittedly. < 1340165903 497632 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works as a response to both of you :) < 1340165919 515115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1340165923 938378 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my recent failed projects was to use a SAT solver to run Game of Life backwards < 1340165951 972640 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once has a summer job finding orphans in GoL < 1340165955 395566 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1340166009 675819 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at an orphanage < 1340166036 998428 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that may not have been completely true < 1340166080 428444 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to know what the smallest one is < 1340166244 460070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1340166244 886502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:21 i'm a c++ coder, -> is burned into my eyes meaning pointer dereference < 1340166311 721462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell? < 1340166322 803181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340166570 749234 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :K-Lined < 1340167278 814353 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340167470 960673 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-136-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340167792 110218 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168044 598606 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168717 722707 :sfuller!47ca0ea1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.14.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340168823 761488 :sfuller!47ca0ea1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.14.161 PART :#esoteric < 1340168908 582071 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1340169227 227034 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1340169339 713588 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1340169393 635768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340169934 361454 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-156-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340170157 545173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bubbles at the Seer monad
< 1340170979 479487 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-93.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340173264 108503 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, are unbalanced quotation marks allowed within #if 0 ... #endif? < 1340173546 718484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume so < 1340173554 810949 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc gives a warning and tcc gives an error < 1340173557 337166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler shouldn't even see anything < 1340173558 58554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1340173562 330148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am too lazy to look up whether it is actually allowed < 1340173572 445787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the warning comes from the preprocessor < 1340173585 201748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could ask "in cpp, are ..." < 1340173591 446701 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik the spec for cpp is part of the spec for C < 1340173647 960390 :lexande!~lexande@209-6-36-10.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340173681 798908 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340175311 868106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The source file is decomposed into preprocessing tokens" in translation stage 3, while preprocessing directives like #if 0 happen in stage 4, so what's within has to parse into proper preprocessing tokens, and a string literal is a single such token, so no. But unbalanced parentheses and such should be fine. < 1340175399 694035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/ansi/ifdefsyntax.html < 1340176412 523614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any fiction that uses Haskell's model of "time travel"... as in, I know Haskell doesn't allow time travel, but it can be made to look like it, and I wonder if the rules of such can be applied to fiction < 1340176735 132740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1340176745 254680 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you seen the film Primer? < 1340176756 221210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, only twice < 1340176760 72245 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1340176765 308076 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time machines in that film are a lot like call/cc < 1340176817 274690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm not quite smart enough to understand < 1340176848 1816 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can only go back to the time when the machine was started < 1340176862 562117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the original copy of you is still running around in the world < 1340176894 948238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp knows about quotation marks. < 1340176967 204953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\ < 1340176969 596686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if 0\ < 1340176970 603829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b\ < 1340176973 445211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif\ < 1340176976 243757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n" < 1340176984 207473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the closed time loops of, say, the Seer monad? < 1340176999 777344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which still wouldn't let you easily factor numbers < 1340177021 284734 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about that monad < 1340177123 732083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11060565/tying-the-knot-with-a-state-monad < 1340177132 335405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The accepted answer) < 1340177302 132172 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340177359 963948 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1340177381 495868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least with my compiler, that ends up being a string literal containing the string "#if 0b#endif" -- and that's what I think should happen, too. < 1340177410 714072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's exactly what you meant, I guess. < 1340177448 455889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's just another way of saying what I said; that preprocessing tokens like string literals are built in stage 3, and preprocessing directives processed only in stage 4. < 1340177468 627385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually on looking at what I said again, it isn't directly relevant. < 1340177480 94385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \s are the reason the #s aren't interpreted, not the "s. < 1340177490 820505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but, you know, that general idea" < 1340177589 657354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \s are the only reason the whole bit is legal, really, so I guess. But, I mean, you could also say that the preprocessor has to know about quotation marks in order for #define FOO BAR "FOO" not to result in a string literal that says BAR. < 1340177658 377430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340177751 657303 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* "*/" */ < 1340177834 993642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the difference between comments and #if was your whole point. < 1340177864 626347 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine? < 1340177893 915386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340177898 920492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you had one. < 1340177908 213945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1340177918 646307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ran into this warning/error and wondered what the prescribed behavior is < 1340178068 20427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I understand it, the splitting into tokens happens "before" conditionals so the text in all parts of an #if needs to form valid preprocessor tokens < 1340178114 97700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably already said that somewhere above < 1340178265 571113 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178294 576356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ghc barf on .lhs lines starting with #? < 1340178320 145058 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all! sorry to interrupt any ongoing conversation, but i'm in the midst of designing and documenting a programming language < 1340178333 953123 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178361 770129 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm curious about is wether or not it would be considered esoteric, and for your deciding pleasure, here's a brief example/description of the language as of now < 1340178365 101146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340178365 573284 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste2.org/p/2056626 < 1340178372 23410 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day to you, sir! < 1340178425 284176 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1340178426 456966 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340178465 378389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting < 1340178475 184507 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of a combination of my ideas of Lisp and Basic < 1340178480 959733 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure if it's esoteric < 1340178483 79894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: "esoteric" is an emotional word, not a technical one. < 1340178486 404912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, consult your emotions. < 1340178522 607739 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so with that, it could be either, depending on the viewers taste? < 1340178538 127087 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb; makes me glad to hear it's interesting ^_^ < 1340178584 732516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esotericness is in the eye of the beholder < 1340178588 225380 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my emotions want to say it is, but is in conflict wether or not it would fit in this mighty inspiring community < 1340178596 944451 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha! < 1340178601 425487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1340178602 91347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1340178612 137488 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some would say the language that's written in isn't esoteric < 1340178632 512694 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite follow that < 1340178641 388226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's consult Mr. Eso T. Eric < 1340178666 763535 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah? ;) < 1340178812 717084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consult the Esoteric Language Council, a UN-run organization tasked with determining these things. < 1340178821 623329 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet ;) < 1340178833 417197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sometime I confuse you with itidus20. < 1340178845 576760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/mes/ < 1340178850 597597 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, I humbly thank you for your insights and I'll def finish designing and documenting, and write up an article for esolang < 1340178853 791043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the nick, I mean. < 1340178862 671468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I read what you say and I think "oh, that's not itidus20!". < 1340178874 128224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't even have a "20". < 1340178909 448582 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just the things you two say are very much alike? < 1340178922 132352 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :owait nvm, 'just the nick, i mean' < 1340178931 308255 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what language should i add to my polyglot? < 1340178948 601952 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1340178967 641025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What are you using so far? < 1340178988 498740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c, haskell, python, sh, brainfuck < 1340179025 297664 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tacocopter.com/ This is science. This is the future. This is America. < 1340179047 323625 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah < 1340179107 430544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, try to get Befunge in there < 1340179123 682236 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about it < 1340179130 613439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be amusing but maybe one esolang is enough < 1340179137 931091 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179141 344796 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will remove brainfuck < 1340179143 800961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One esolang is never enough! < 1340179161 284956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add Objective C. < 1340179164 529345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe C++. < 1340179164 822392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see cpressey say "I've made Befunge, now time to stop"!? < 1340179165 754201 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179185 97634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see dmm say "I've made Piet, no that's enough"!? < 1340179185 909186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179198 907670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, add FORTRAN. < 1340179205 105999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see Taneb say "I've made Ook++, that's enough"!? < 1340179205 919170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1340179206 397178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No! Who's with me?!?" < 1340179224 660122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's because Ook++ really sucked and I didn't know there was a wiki back then < 1340179253 851369 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, Objective C < 1340179263 225104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1340179279 277556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this Polyglot do? < 1340179279 674595 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Germans? < 1340179290 723661 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, Team America reference, I believe < 1340179320 664447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add malbolge! < 1340179326 262600 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, Animal House < 1340179331 623416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles insanely
< 1340179331 783075 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1340179335 193816 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck yeah" was a team america reference :) < 1340179349 478539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah. < 1340179350 13545 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: prints "Hello, C!" or such < 1340179352 855750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1340179359 765199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1340179361 404699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a quine. < 1340179370 9021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may try to do something similar < 1340179371 38797 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how to tell C from Objective C < 1340179373 383401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be to write a Hello, Malbolge! program? < 1340179389 340150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I meant that it would print the same thing in Objective C as in C. < 1340179391 486564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a polygot with other languages < 1340179401 572150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Objective C is by design a strict superset of C, so that might be tricky. < 1340179476 664153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: __OBJC__ < 1340179480 931385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on a ring of polyglot control.
< 1340179490 317201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Phooey. Cheater. < 1340179502 31502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually the only way. < 1340179514 11445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from saying "Well, it builds in Objective C too". < 1340179522 341041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just using a ring of polyglot control. < 1340179558 632363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a *good time* also make it Objective C++ and C++. :P < 1340179593 311753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR A GOOD TIME $ printf '\e(0' < 1340179622 395722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how about intercal? < 1340179645 159213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone didn't suggest that already < 1340179675 285645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a somewhat more serious note, but not *very*, it'd be quite impressive if you can make it a valid COM executable. < 1340179761 591217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C++? < 1340179772 5669 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, i'm planning to do that < 1340179773 527400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last... < 1340179777 624962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That's already on the list. < 1340179778 640495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/poly/polyglot.txt is one < 1340179796 640993 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: two great tastes that go great together < 1340179828 897050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Objective C++ a strict superset of C++? < 1340179852 305913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, UTTER_XYZZY? < 1340179857 390356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1340179888 641560 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It applies the Objective- to C++, as a hack to let you do C++ and Objective-C bindings straight. < 1340179928 469760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have two incompatible object systems? < 1340179943 141724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1340179957 967170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds great. < 1340179980 202687 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you actually need at least *3* incompatible ways of doing something. < 1340179986 61518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should write a polyglot that uses the two incompatible object systems of C++ and Objective C together somehow. < 1340179996 494999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess Objective C is all dynamic and everything. < 1340180007 324955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the implementation is pretty different from C++. < 1340180049 884608 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone uses Objective-C++ for anything other than binding Objective-C bits to C++ bits. < 1340180054 33403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obj-C is also horrible < 1340180054 331761 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not THAT bad. < 1340180181 191108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: oh yeah? < 1340180194 16688 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to elaborate? < 1340181129 897227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://raw.github.com/mauke/poly.poly/master/poly.poly < 1340181135 929554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe spoilers if you're working on one yourself.) < 1340181342 925078 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, i've seen this < 1340181606 400270 :stalem!~macrohaul@c-bd9ae055.1433-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340181744 841928 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340181891 806197 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are compilers made? < 1340181913 605867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you have a girl compiler and a boy compiler... < 1340181931 756395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: would you like a joke or < 1340181937 104371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE. < 1340181950 814870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I'd like a tutorial < 1340181954 165921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, the truth is out < 1340181984 305833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read the dragon book, it's said to be good. (And, really: DRAGON BOOK.) < 1340181996 513806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also boringly called "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools". < 1340181996 673919 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP ends with the construction of a compiler, of sorts < 1340182009 336924 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it sheds much light on how a C compiler would be made < 1340182023 910333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I wrote a compiler < 1340182030 293951 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an experience < 1340182048 933665 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have more immediately important things to do < 1340182051 885053 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i looked at a green thing < 1340182054 59291 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an experience < 1340182074 724565 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1340182075 140598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you access outside the bounds of physical memory on an x86 processor in (actual) real mode? < 1340182096 269507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like this is a platform question, not a CPU question < 1340182103 326841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to make a good compiler, it can be a rather mechanical job. You know, the sort of "parse the language in question to some sort of a tree, and then just generate machine code directly out of the tree". < 1340182123 289747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there's still sort of a trick of flattening that tree into a linear sequence of instructions < 1340182154 570701 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dragon Book is hard going. Something like "Writing Interactive Interpreters and Compilers" is much easier to understand. < 1340182161 909776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That depends on what you're compiling into! < 1340182163 369570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a trick < 1340182206 57642 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe out of bounds writes do nothing, and reads get 0's or 1's or garbage, depending on how the data line drivers are wired up < 1340182221 827947 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the address is simply truncated < 1340182304 209506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@context < 1340182304 847148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1340182363 837837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The IA-32 processors beginning with the Intel386 processor can generate 32-bit offsets using an address override prefix; however, in real-address mode, the value of a 32-bit offset may not exceed FFFFH without causing an exception." So if you have physical memory up to byte 0x10FFEF, you can't actually reach outside it. < 1340182416 485921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And normally if you actually are in a real real mode, the A20 line isn't enabled, so you're stuck in [0, 0xFFFFF], but that's a platform thing again.) < 1340182612 875584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's up to the platform what you'd get back if you have less than a megabyte of physical memory. They put a lot of memory-mapped things from A0000 up, anyway. < 1340182731 985052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gap that you're "likely" to hit in a real system is the one from 512k to 640k, since some people only have that half a megabyte of RAM. < 1340183273 1720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is there a difference between monqy and mauke < 1340183280 185287 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340183283 651918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes?) < 1340183316 427818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe there's some sort of a "mouqe" compromise solution. < 1340183334 112153 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pre-emptively provides more info.
< 1340183340 221530 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy < 1340183349 700327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. < 1340183412 234144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauke < 1340183415 905602 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1340183481 842838 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340183543 157998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm possibly the only person who regularly gets mixed up between the Pet Shop Boys and Duran Duran < 1340183615 772005 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's t hat < 1340183747 777004 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're parties of musicians whose members tend to each specialize in a particular instrument < 1340183751 487826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: t̂ < 1340183754 863935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOPE THAT HELPS < 1340183795 688760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A t hat is a short-sleeved fedora < 1340183837 604255 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gameontology is wonderfully absurd < 1340184093 418797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be a fisherman but then I took a spear in the head. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/06/19/national/a112354D35.DTL&tsp=1 < 1340184104 714541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1340184312 155891 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/Featherstonehaugh < 1340184570 260858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1340184648 121285 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : He needed that like he needed a hole in the head < 1340184648 472692 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cross spear fishing off the to do list < 1340185249 341058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"STOP! THIS IS NOT A DVD" - eBay seller screams in his item page. http://youtu.be/IOwTAiat1vg < 1340185416 924303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That person sure sounds angry. < 1340185437 913775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But $1.99 for a Toy Story 3 DVD? I'd buy it no matter how much he shouts. < 1340185460 468828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally worth it. < 1340185499 443914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is added by the seller? < 1340185591 301430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it’s a good deal for a DVD indeed. < 1340185830 834756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP! < 1340185832 491569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS NOT A DVD! < 1340185836 621609 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dun dun dun < 1340186087 200658 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to buy one of those DVDs, but the seller died :-( < 1340186118 233321 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CECI N'EST PAS UNE DVD! < 1340186172 289766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :john: You should send negative feedback for not getting the DVD. < 1340186236 672161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seller died, would not buy again." < 1340186273 558937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe e will get better.) < 1340186337 311424 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video has had quite a few views. I should do something similar on my eBay shop. :-) < 1340186373 42840 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult to be annoying in a quirky interesting way < 1340186630 11961 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 € http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/myst_masterpiece_edition < 1340186675 114528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bonus content included for FREE with purchase: manual (17 pages)". Such magnanimity. < 1340186828 571497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I have two Myst (what's the plural?) already. < 1340186893 835946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plural is "Mystery". < 1340186909 278236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good to know. Two Mystery, then. < 1340186910 842360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap* < 1340189097 286999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340189278 360614 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1340190901 914411 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340190902 212048 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340190902 371827 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340191062 861804 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Topology , curse you.... < 1340191085 849814 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340191127 434606 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120619/03230119379/fbi-dea-warn-that-ipv6-may-be-too-damn-anonymous.shtml < 1340191202 619510 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG 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:PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198340 386813 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198516 198786 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340198528 80088 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1340198528 681094 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198726 245833 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340198918 653055 :PatashuG1LD4!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340199072 784941 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust leviathan (>(+)*2>(-)*2>(-)*2>(+)*2)*2((+)*6<(-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(-)*42>(-)*46>(+)*48)*2(>)*3(([(-)*4[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][..-]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340199075 303539 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_leviathan: 58.7 < 1340199105 267946 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340199353 130403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340199369 567022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: WHERE'S DA CODE < 1340200419 659124 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340200657 930668 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: for topology, wikipedia is very good < 1340200698 278834 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mostly you need definitions < 1340200720 352538 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you want to do research in the topic, i don't really know what you need, since i don't know what topologists are doing. < 1340200745 927814 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but our second latest article was kind of about topology and we just used wp and counterexamples in topology < 1340200812 344333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i am interested in is computer-less program design. < 1340200828 14683 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like having a whole software development studio without any computers in it < 1340200855 651308 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i doubt topology will help you with that < 1340200868 103033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i started playing a game :o < 1340200876 155306 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stronghold kingdoms < 1340200876 806979 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have many interests. i have little choice but to rattle them off. < 1340200895 98519 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it happens < 1340200917 469575 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMORTS .. wow < 1340200938 725599 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow if you wanna get into mathematics, afaik you basically have to know the basics of topology, but unless you do topology specifically, you just need the basics < 1340200995 413335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a fun game if you have an infinite amount of time on your hands. < 1340201002 549907 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201051 747518 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm borderline obsessed with video games. i would say completely obsessed if i invested more energy into learning about them < 1340201100 775913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is inherently a part of video games, even though i got in a bitter fight about how math is not essential for video games in another channel < 1340201178 169825 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340201185 730731 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you certainly need to apply some basic linear algebra to get a game engine working. < 1340201190 823897 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201227 276218 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of making a game is outside the engine and the math is elementary or nonexistent < 1340201269 901413 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think the science of computer games (the word video games is admittedly not very good) is burgeoning < 1340201298 550204 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it an art.. it's amusing to me how many scientists end up engaged in developing art tools < 1340201354 955798 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aha we have made a breakthrough in the lab.. call the painters guild, theres a new kind of paint coming!" < 1340201421 516660 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201462 917545 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say it's much closer to art than science, there is no scientific method and you're usually scored based on packaging. then again perhaps that's how science actually works outside math anyway. < 1340201465 500573 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok what really happens is that, because of not knowing, i end up endlessly speculating < 1340201477 259478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://p.twimg.com/Avw0BNbCAAEZXV-.jpg < 1340201478 607944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's normal < 1340201519 120012 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surface looks so neat < 1340201521 497853 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want one < 1340201532 976958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused because they called that one table-sized thing Surface originally. < 1340201535 153622 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, like, i don't know how to do "algebra" .. that thing which 8th graders call "algebra".. im not in a position to use any bigger words < 1340201542 537894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am referring to arithmetic + variables :P < 1340201544 244887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's been retconned to SomethingPixel though. < 1340201553 164766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PixelSense, I mean. < 1340201579 720587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surface_table.JPG see that's a Surface. < 1340201588 770521 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... when i try to meditate on numbers so to speak, i hit a dead end very fast < 1340201591 974206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose they just zoomed it down. < 1340201624 773453 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like vroom vroom brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr **\CRASH3=\-\=3- < 1340201653 680258 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the price of being lazy < 1340201673 348478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: usually algebra is arithmetic + variables but you're talking in a more general sense about other objects that satisfy similar axioms. < 1340201689 38701 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for universal algebra where the axioms can be anything. < 1340201699 872364 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the operations) < 1340201705 289862 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(universal algebra is great) < 1340201705 450275 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell myself, theres kids in africa whose daily drinking water is killing them.. and yet i cannot muster the energy to do the dishes < 1340201739 821172 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at one with my laziness < 1340201783 323492 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1340201784 685410 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what incredible laziness, that sounds really scary. well unless you're a 20 something male of course. < 1340201792 689823 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 < 1340201809 883780 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 30 something bachelor w/e < 1340201816 944502 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya :D < 1340201833 726670 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a piece of text where kafka talks about the bachelor < 1340201838 468279 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to clean this place up by friday since i have a visitor < 1340201857 832033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been planning this for two weeks. < 1340201916 221680 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so dreadful to be a bachelor, to become an old man struggling to keep one's dignity while begging for an invitation whenever one wants to spend an evening in company, [...] to feel estranged from one�s family, with whom one can keep on close terms only by marriage, first by the marriage of one's parents, then, when the effect of that has worn off, by one's own, having to admire other people < 1340201916 578693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s children and not even being allowed to go on saying: �I have none myself,� [...] < 1340202007 205547 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, girlfriends are essential < 1340202049 561318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt this quite strongly on my grandma's 90th birthday < 1340202053 785936 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hipsterhost.net/ < 1340202072 692524 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my cousins with their houses and their children < 1340202090 243676 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202123 735187 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me at a table with my mum, grandma, and the tradesman uncle < 1340202155 95912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tell our cat "there are cats in Africa who are not getting any food", but it doesn't seem to motivate it one bit to eat the dried-up stuff in its bowl. < 1340202161 213991 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202172 799111 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The cat recognizes the fallacy. < 1340202199 409049 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, i do too.. the real threat is if you work too hard people will expect that from you < 1340202219 348412 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll let you burn yourself out < 1340202253 310956 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares what they think, the real problem is you start expecting that from yourself. not that i see how this has anything to do with the cat. perhaps something. < 1340202259 678190 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340202274 433959 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats not it < 1340202286 902795 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202349 550775 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well one thing i wish i could do was write an inverse kinematic animation engine < 1340202357 224653 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say that africa thing is a fallacy, do you also think it's okay for american spoiled brats to want a new car on each of their birthdays even though they already have a fuckload of nice things? < 1340202366 35224 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats one place i think math would be useful for gaming < 1340202382 799742 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because personally i find them obnoxious, and i don't know many people who don't. < 1340202384 230591 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically speaking i'm sure it's rather trivial < 1340202410 310318 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i'm just missing the point of the fallacy < 1340202436 973108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an inverse kinematic animation engine < 1340202464 224724 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well.. suppose you have some skeleton < 1340202477 775848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you say, i want the right hand to go to this point < 1340202503 931309 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then getting the skeleton to bend some joints to get the hand to the point < 1340202513 995574 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1340202529 278801 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also interested in a generalization of this (called clue 2) < 1340202545 782956 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340202563 519108 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue 2 - you don't have a clue just how awesome it is. < 1340202570 792240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1340202573 860657 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun intended. < 1340202590 47119 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i used the word clue in the official motto and that's also thename) < 1340202592 322113 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the name < 1340202597 768746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the pun) < 1340202598 865584 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the subject apparently comes up a lot in robotics but it's like for fucks sake its not a robot its just a 3d model, someone is drinking too much if they study robotics to figure out how to make a 3d model move < 1340202668 561715 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perhaps they want to do this with muscles to make it look more realistic. not that i know what robotics actually studies. < 1340202701 619377 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i admit drinking too much is a big problem among inverse kinematic animation engineers. < 1340202727 804291 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _some_ people do get too carried away with the math side of it < 1340202774 92312 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the good math usually only starts once you get so carried away you don't even remember what you're doing < 1340202842 92500 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who made the game N have got themselves lost in the study of robotics < 1340203031 359271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that if you tell an inverse kinematic animation engineer to solve some set of equations, he or she will just be all numerical methods about it, instead of trying to find analytical solutions. At least if it's a hard enough problem. < 1340203079 234422 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why make equations when there's random search < 1340203159 809318 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few of the smarter people have started to do stuff related to skeletal animation over the years but it's yet to really be the next wave < 1340203179 608093 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i think ragdolls are ugly < 1340203192 597194 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interfaces for them are horrible < 1340203200 274394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a vague feeling animation-wise they want some sort of consistency between the resulting solutions. < 1340203238 444945 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a skeletal animation character (in 2d) which is actually good < 1340203242 364335 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that aims for realism is ever in the least bit interesting, so i don't really give that many shits about what the state of the art is < 1340203284 198800 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theres :) realism and theres :( realism < 1340203295 112581 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's :) realism < 1340203299 104511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better < 1340203314 465763 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic the hedgehog is :) realism < 1340203330 465530 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of a trivial game. < 1340203348 739828 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has objects moving! < 1340203368 895587 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for timers that increase variables. < 1340203419 220070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sonic the Hedgehog nowadays uses the Havok physics engine, I think there's a bit more math in it than that. < 1340203427 314087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everything nowadays uses Havok.) < 1340203439 244751 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm the 3d sonics get a lot of criticism.. < 1340203449 443594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, understandably. < 1340203451 492423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i assumed we were talking about the 2d version < 1340203469 169826 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, cos im retro-hipster-retro < 1340203474 968041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about the gene. Oh, wait, it doesn't have that "the". < 1340203476 731395 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so realism.. to expound a bit more < 1340203489 10936 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone got very upset about the sonic the hedgehog gene < 1340203527 643940 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to see a 3d game that has an idea. < 1340203530 526118 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic the hedgehog maintains a narrative kind of realism < 1340203581 671532 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stands on 2 feet(on the ground).. and he can walk back and forth at a steady pace < 1340203645 495656 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "narrative kind of realism mean"? < 1340203655 91661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything except "real realism"? < 1340203665 628503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Walking back and forth. < 1340203668 769422 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some ragdoll games it looks as if some kind of invisible force is dragging a lifeless body about in the air < 1340203681 471396 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you sure? < 1340203716 694249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the ragdoll's joints react realistically to being dragged about in the air < 1340203801 393007 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent played many modern games so i'm out of the loop of realism < 1340203817 643622 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't identify with the character if it doesn't look like there's a newtonian physics and a sequence of muscle contractions behind its motion? < 1340203854 736126 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a shit, make the player a ball and the game doesn't change at all. < 1340203861 593190 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right. < 1340203870 966831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my comments about realism were wrong < 1340203907 526739 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real problem is that most ragdoll games, all of them quite shameful in a way, are about dragging a lifeless body through the air < 1340203917 442288 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an incredibly awkward interface < 1340203937 871346 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340203940 134880 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent really played many, mostly seen them on youtube < 1340203945 696387 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the necrophiliacs are a big market < 1340203960 982713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they should all play like that QWOP thing or whatever it was. < 1340203981 871073 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not a whole lot better than QWOP < 1340203988 62642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with more keys. < 1340204029 10486 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP was designed to be difficult though. < 1340204049 348436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think their point is in how you start things moving. To the extent that they have a point. < 1340204051 20592 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340204124 537853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Finnish joke-demogroup who made the semi-known "Dismount" series of games, incidentally. < 1340204125 341894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, suppose that QWOP had some kind of AI that when you're not pressing anything, it tried to stand up straight < 1340204166 140604 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that when you push right, it would try to approximate a stable run < 1340204212 721227 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therein we find the beauty i am speaking of < 1340204224 466120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one was released at Assembly some years back (actually what the what, it was a *decade* ago), and then they made a couple more for later years. < 1340204284 393806 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my ego invested in such things, i actually hope that i might be the first to make such a thing one day < 1340204288 860585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a playable qwop < 1340204349 465648 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, the idea i guess is that when no keys are being pressed, it will try to use inverse kinematics to stand up < 1340204375 263515 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how feasible that is < 1340204387 371271 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pffrt, tAAt is dead serious! < 1340204402 664811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Very serious business, sure. < 1340204428 683888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, Napababa. < 1340204436 116215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away.) < 1340204458 827953 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kind of game i would like to make with such a system is .. among other things, something like double dragon < 1340204613 37886 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwop was a great game < 1340204716 988356 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so dismount is pretty cool < 1340204725 382394 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i secretly love ragdoll games :(( < 1340204737 313657 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i KNEW it < 1340204741 409543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=167713 < 1340204746 102274 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1340204815 156394 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i need proof < 1340204979 713961 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people seriously still falling for spam? < 1340204987 920736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean spam scams < 1340205064 346631 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they didn’t, there would be no spam anymore. < 1340205129 841740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340205272 346732 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? maybe they're being paid by the spam filter ppl. < 1340205799 269858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1340206596 893280 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340206622 977200 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i analyzed my youtube history for relevant videos.. im not sure what the N months or years ago part means.. if it means when i viewed it or when it was uploaded < 1340206625 511465 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi45.tinypic.com/5ml7cy.jpg < 1340206660 99485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the zany things i have seen < 1340206772 843637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340207642 679295 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theremin controlled Mario" < 1340207649 540812 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet that's not even remotely fun. < 1340207660 131945 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1340207664 487190 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it's awesome < 1340208114 346856 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/4121094 < 1340208536 845741 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340208625 366584 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340209744 135698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know, like, vim, right? < 1340209744 704513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1340210252 72637 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340210916 120996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know vim, right. :( < 1340210955 586635 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pong < 1340210990 639984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you have a ping on "vim"? < 1340211004 624312 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was just browsing < 1340211084 267624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How can I yank up to the next line which is just a } on its own? d% on the corresponding { sorta works, but I'd like to yank from the function signature line before it. < 1340211125 336370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/^}$ < 1340211137 606744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also ][ < 1340211200 706163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm, [[ and ]] seem to do something. But not [ or ] on their own. < 1340211218 653320 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the specific command '][' < 1340211222 363441 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::he ][ < 1340211236 389292 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the last two paragraphs of :he section < 1340211283 17790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. < 1340211291 891282 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem. < 1340211432 907909 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340211457 188273 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1340211773 400602 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PART :#esoteric < 1340213018 237903 :atrapado!~za@46.222.156.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340213191 921452 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is so awkward < 1340213564 349136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: heathen! < 1340213632 763796 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't get the idea of writing some runes in a bar in order to edit code < 1340213641 715389 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much context switching < 1340213679 977778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if I remember the syntax, you can change ^ to \_ to find an indented } < 1340213716 87170 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to remember syntax < 1340213731 996770 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd probably end up doing something like Vj%d starting at the function line < 1340213768 235622 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No such thing AFAICT < 1340213790 473375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\s*}$ of course works < 1340213824 649402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there is supposed to be special syntax for it, like how _ moves to first non-whitespace character < 1340214360 563390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the syntax I was thinking of was \_^ but that doesn't seem to mean what I want it to < 1340214416 133516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that's really no different from knowing the three million useful hotkeys you need to be productive in any other editor < 1340214452 249594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least vim has a coherent language behind it < 1340214474 377996 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1340216277 566865 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffuu < 1340216340 574725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :find f, find u, undo? < 1340216430 305147 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... major eval fuckup: < 1340216431 385820 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sq => (lambda (x) (* x x)) < 1340216431 927544 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comp => (lambda (f g) (lambda (x) (f (g x)))) < 1340216432 468613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1340216432 650718 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (comp sq sq) => (lambda (x) (f (g x))) < 1340216432 810343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1340216433 729796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=>' < 1340216440 80910 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fail ;/ < 1340216552 585559 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why < 1340216597 853209 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1340216600 695339 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340216687 366138 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340216787 155342 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1340216919 991160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1340216954 796576 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably because interpreter's eval doesn't do anything with lambda < 1340217000 296008 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe you need to do something with lambda < 1340217049 76057 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what < 1340217090 534298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta-expand? beta-reduce? apply a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism? < 1340217161 418537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1340217381 693749 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply does B-reduction < 1340217528 490080 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340217805 563061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340217816 458501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1340218186 75521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi john_metcalf < 1340218748 488613 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb, Quintopia, all :-) < 1340218769 819299 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who Is John Metcalf? < 1340218778 637874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Metcalf is john_metcalf < 1340218785 315411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or his he? < 1340218866 843910 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my bio :-P "I'm a recreational programmer interested in Core War, Forth, Smalltalk, assembly, programming games & algorithms ? Find me at http://RetroProgramming.com " < 1340218871 172110 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this suc < 1340218872 437293 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ks < 1340218891 179652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get RetroProgramming.com? Seems like a potentially much-desired URL < 1340218965 803519 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was unregistered so I grabbed it. I also have http://programminggames.org http://corewar.co.uk and about 10 others... < 1340218982 923449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: i was gonna say your retro programming needs a new bfjoust article. it has been 3 years. yours is out of date < 1340218989 46800 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame http://programming.??? are all occupied by squatters < 1340219011 247871 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a metal calf? < 1340219044 623520 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are some new top level domains, maybe programming.xxx is available. < 1340219059 102519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming.int appears to be free < 1340219065 733456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1340219076 770980 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340219082 696439 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmmm... maybe. I don't think there's anything I can write that isn't already covered by the strategy guide. < 1340219118 773725 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to buy corewar.com recently, but they wouldn't drop the price below $3k :-( < 1340219124 378206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: then you can say that the game has become more complex, post a modern example program and link the guide < 1340219136 883745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just append it to the old article < 1340219165 792072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the scoring is about to change... < 1340219233 292369 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. I'll do that shortly after the new scoring. A new article but with a link from the two old articles. < 1340219266 918081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "The .int TLD is strictly limited to organizations, offices, and programs which are endorsed by a treaty between two or more nations." It may be slightly different to get it. < 1340219296 424147 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1340219317 847176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they had "ip6.int" in there, so maybe all it takes is a small bribe IANAwards. < 1340219350 161358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, there is no fee if you make the cut. < 1340219373 804884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was only when they were going to replace .arpa with .int. Nowadays it's ip6.arpa instead. < 1340219400 155745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they had it there, so certainly they can stick in whatever. < 1340219416 188711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programming.cat" is equally free if you just don't mind making it about programming in the Catalan language. < 1340219452 825106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the application procedure requires the applicant to provide evidence that it is indeed treaty-based by providing a United Nations treaty registration number and that it has independent legal status." < 1340219482 295321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1340219505 239562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm sure you could photoshop those. < 1340219534 54538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lol.cat is a community tied by its love of cats, pictures supposed to be funny and Catalunia." < 1340219543 261181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecing there to be an actual Catalan link. < 1340219563 13381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the requirements, after all. < 1340219636 319346 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, catalonia? < 1340219651 615506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "programming.museum" does not exist even though I would think there's at least one museum in the world about programming, or at least programming-related artefacts. < 1340219676 743823 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just reading a bit about salvador dali the other day < 1340219705 852122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he described the earth as a head and catalonia as the nose < 1340219718 196642 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or catalon or whatever < 1340219733 756790 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i as usual dont entirely know what i mean < 1340219853 825287 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220019 252009 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220121 729765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340220200 881008 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betcha プログラミング.日本 is open. < 1340220237 151366 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1340220247 712288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Argh*, that TLD DNE. < 1340220277 397957 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-71.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340220346 347612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :China has two IDN ccTLDs (.中国 and .中國), while Japan has none. Such injustice. < 1340220400 850390 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan's not requested one. < 1340220431 742039 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, China has 2, 3 or 5, depending on what you count as 'China'. < 1340220439 90567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you open? < 1340220445 128150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong has a ccTLD, and Taiwan has two. < 1340220453 721393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taiwan has two? < 1340220478 965316 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.台灣 and .台湾 < 1340220492 854402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(traditional and simplified) < 1340220498 481958 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1340220517 978236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't fathom why they have both. < 1340220531 290281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, Wikipedia's TLD list says "Open for registration to individuals/companies around Europe" for .fi, while the Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority's (who actually run it) site says you must either be an individual of "15 years of age; have a Finnish personal ID number; and live in a Finnish muncipality", or be a company/company-like entity that is "registered with the trade ... < 1340220532 668481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified isn't much used in Taiwan, and traditional isn't much used in mainland China... < 1340220537 321452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... register or the registers of associations or foundations in Finland". (Which I think have some sort of presence requirements.) < 1340220564 204821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there automagic mirroring between the two forms, or can one register a domain with a version and not on the other? < 1340220593 640276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: They point to the same DNS server. < 1340220691 521427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not exactly proof yet. Also, they have non-identical SOA serial numbers, unlike China's two forms. < 1340220733 750685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sounds a bit strange if the contents weren't identical, though.) < 1340220873 435178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two isn't that much; India has seven (भारत, بھارت, భారత్, ભારત, ਭਾਰਤ, ভারত and இந்தியா, for the Hindi, Urdu, Telugu, Gujarati, Punjabi, Bengali and Tamil languages, respectively). < 1340220875 200748 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1340220901 675482 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1340220918 782515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments in 'pedia say "not in use", though. But they've been allocamated. < 1340220995 431965 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340221024 844264 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very strange to browse to a website with chinese characters in its domain name. a quick google with "site:.香港" gets this for example: http://网存.公司.香港/client.php < 1340221056 502448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TWNIC's Registration Policy and Technical Solution for the .台灣 and .台湾 IDN ccTLDs: -- TWNIC will implement a comprehensive registration policy and technical solution for the synchronized .台灣 ( xn--kpry57d , Traditional Chinese form) and .台湾 (xn--kprw13d, Simplified Chinese form) IDN ccTLD in order for ensuring the DNS stability and avoiding the user confusion. When registering ... < 1340221063 24611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a "Traditional-Chinese-Characters.台灣", a set of corresponding registrations will be received at the same time, including "Traditional- Chinese-Characters.台湾", "Simplified-Chinese-Characters.台灣" and "Simplified-Chinese-Characters.台湾"." < 1340221067 492840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they are synchronized, yes. < 1340221101 849149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in a way that you can mix-and-match the actual domain and TLD parts if you feel like it. < 1340221208 330408 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1340221213 372997 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340221745 420368 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1340221912 875829 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340222500 486789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye! < 1340222503 729703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340223625 173401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a sudden, unpleasant realisation that he will never be able to enjoy Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
< 1340223645 157018 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1340223663 20189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem unpleasant < 1340225310 639828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe memetic overload, no doubt. < 1340225324 705637 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-54.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Thankfully, most other Monty Python stuff doesn't have that problem. < 1340225350 941151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "most other Monty Python stuff" is just stupid. :-( < 1340225352 263799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to have seen it before the memery < 1340225353 216616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually on purpose. < 1340225361 166822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1340225437 314107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's a mixed bag, yeah. < 1340225497 23233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that a lot of the humour comes from unpredictability, and the constant quoting has the effect of spoiling the joke whilst removing it from the context that would make it somewhat funny. < 1340225526 328267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think doing things just for the unpredictability is very funny. < 1340225531 605164 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life of Brian is good because a) it's not quoted completely to death and b) it's more of a straight satire. < 1340225563 529553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when it's funny it's not just because it's silly and unpredictable; it's just a necessary element. < 1340226781 891974 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1340226782 343625 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-241.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1340226782 503895 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1340226827 868538 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1340227860 75168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1340228076 609828 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1340228221 378643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted to A Bit of Fry and Laurie < 1340228776 259755 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1340228794 440186 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340229063 199459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge has stopped printing the URL where your file goes. wtf sprunge. < 1340229206 26979 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that problem too < 1340229237 750711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think so. it is on sprunge's end after all < 1340229637 76484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8 < 1340230338 645958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340231377 475455 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1340231993 551440 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232055 433695 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1340232290 204752 :atrapado!~za@46.222.156.152 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1340232295 365739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1340232465 808699 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232488 730455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I quote ( or ) in scheme? < 1340232707 933738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1340232765 638171 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a way to quote '(' or ')' in scheme < 1340232783 291739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1340232785 895157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sound confused < 1340232801 919104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1340232806 474460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.0.4; en-us; Galaxy Nexus Build/IMM76L; CyanogenMod-9) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/534.30 < 1340232806 634823 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean quoting. < 1340232810 912201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1340232843 871030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes < 1340232844 31263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't realised that UAs were getting even more complex now mobiles are running around, but in retrospect it was inevitable < 1340232847 496293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what do you mean by quoting < 1340232862 128568 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for example you can quote a with 'a or (a b) with '(a b) but how do I quote single ) or ( < 1340232864 781953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t find a way to quote elliott in scheme. < 1340232886 736237 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: 'elliott < 1340232899 688585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that's an incoherent question < 1340232902 304437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you quote an s-expression < 1340232907 590751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and ) are not s-expressions < 1340232910 440419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'foo is sugar for (quote foo) < 1340232916 32271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so '( would be... (quote () < 1340232917 966729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's meaningles < 1340232918 471661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1340232951 530032 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I want to put atom named ( in my scheme program < 1340233003 176422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean symbol < 1340233023 524633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if it is called that in scheme < 1340233044 435571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can do (string->symbol "("). note that string->symbol will return a different symbol each time you call it iirc, i.e. < 1340233052 289453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not (eq? (string->symbol "a") (string->symbol "a")) < 1340233054 112196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1340233584 172609 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1340233597 434671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth getting a screen protector for a smart phone? < 1340233604 293313 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1340233622 315508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about those fancy ones using the fancy material designed to protect helicopter rotors originally < 1340233627 790514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how good they are though < 1340233647 815544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gorilla glass is quite scratch resistant anyway, isn't it? < 1340233663 62629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll mess with multitouch < 1340233668 518968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1340233670 851987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bad < 1340233688 310619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess a case of some sort is a better (though more annoying) investment < 1340233727 230157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just hold it < 1340233739 814147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1340233747 515921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need a case :P < 1340233749 498544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for when it is in my pocket < 1340233753 661231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my keys < 1340233755 825418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what notr < 1340233757 254045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1340233761 806022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1340233791 774873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either that or I have to start carrying everything but the phone in my right pocket instead < 1340233803 862606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could get a bit bulky < 1340233816 104092 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the main cause of broken smartphone screens actually is.
< 1340233821 869354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I tend to have asthma medicine in that pocket. Which is bulky in itself < 1340233846 719254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not so worried about broken as I am about scratched < 1340233851 913423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, all of the breakages I've seen have been fractures radiating from a point on the edge, so I'm guessing you really need to cushion the edges. < 1340233871 352610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I seen that sort of thing radiating from a place in the middle of the screen < 1340233873 149438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340233874 832307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're worrying about scratches some cheapo plastic things should do. < 1340233889 47974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1340233894 834564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get scratched though < 1340233905 492726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the point is they're trivially replacable. < 1340233935 886865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that copter screenprotector and the "invisible shield" thingy (same deal, different vendor) seem extremely scratch resistant from what I have read < 1340233942 751738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, completely. < 1340233944 881314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a casing for the edges and back, to protect against the aforementioned problem with the edges focusing stress onto the screen. < 1340233956 655542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a good idea < 1340233959 803269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... do you really want to eliminate scratches, or stop them being permanent? < 1340233980 274636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, not having to buy new protectors every few months would be nice? < 1340233998 850631 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get, like, 10 at once or something? < 1340234012 311052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not sure which solution is cheapest < 1340234023 971278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the long run I mean < 1340234036 717384 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do you plan to keep the phone for? < 1340234052 481737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it breaks or I absolutely need a new < 1340234061 121747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I always do with phones < 1340234071 824254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current phone is maybe 7 years old now < 1340234098 126599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kind of breaking, and no longer provides sufficient features for me < 1340234122 621372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that with the state the plastic back of it is in now it is a question of months until it breaks < 1340234126 413655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe weeks < 1340234138 204962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so the answer is: "for a really long time" < 1340234151 30847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a high end phone so I expect it to last for a while < 1340234164 675921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell it costs almost half of what my thinkpad cost(!) < 1340234178 312666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have an R-series thinkpad though, not T-series) < 1340234194 290661 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure high-end equates with durability. < 1340234228 755731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, didn't claim so. I meant that it should be sufficiently fast to run things several years down the line. < 1340234235 96016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have enough storage and so on < 1340234465 312339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but what's the point if it breaks after 3 years? < 1340234482 957107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, using a case should protect it against physical damage. < 1340234489 179157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a large degree < 1340234858 26227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >-(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(+)*50(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*28 < 1340234860 712931 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 49.7 < 1340235012 633840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: brachiation2 beats fewer programs than brachiation, yet has a better score. any theories? < 1340235076 899267 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed this about the scoring. Still no idea why, though. < 1340235077 891440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1340235450 722680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it beats better programs < 1340235517 528176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dingdingding! < 1340235522 569744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats ffspg < 1340235550 841203 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it beats brachiation. i wonder how much the score would go down if i beleeted brachiation < 1340235577 365679 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: BTW, the most updated attack scheme is (([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1340235587 428773 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you caught an in-edit < 1340235600 905093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1340235618 193662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope that's exactly the one brachiation2 uses < 1340235667 834040 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? It looks like (([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 instead. < 1340235690 655 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is one more [+ and has the ]>] over by one. < 1340235692 873820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find out oh yer right < 1340235702 706435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you think its better < 1340235717 881100 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives me a better score in leviathan. < 1340235723 100200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation2 >-(>[(<)*3(+)*10((<+[{}(+)*50(>--[(+)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](+)*50>--[(-)*50(>)*8(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21](-)*50)*15])%28)*28]+)*28 < 1340235725 824131 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation2: 50.1 < 1340235729 984657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay cool < 1340235731 241586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1340235736 388103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for experiment! < 1340235800 332505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brachiation < < 1340235802 965783 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_brachiation: 0.0 < 1340235834 508817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like brachiation2 went UP when i beleeted it < 1340235837 997179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neeeeeat < 1340235858 917226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, so did everything else, including leviathan) < 1340235957 80042 :david_werecat!1834e065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, taking out brachiation causes leviathan's score to go up by 2 < 1340236008 591407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to hill effects < 1340236018 927108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff was fully predicted and hashed out in 2009 :P < 1340236575 103929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hill effects? < 1340236612 754823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1340236717 991551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't happen like that under my system. brachiation2-in-the-absence-of-brachiation actually rates lower than brachiation-in-the-absence-of-brachiation2 under quintopia_scoring_system