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< 1340413184 51942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey wait is kmc the kmc who comments on Twenty Sided?
< 1340413224 411889 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340413228 614960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what twenty sided is
< 1340413249 657516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm taking that as a 'no', then.
< 1340413808 903122 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-141-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1340414795 213444 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a well-known brainfuck derivative which uses goto instead of "structured" control?
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< 1340415366 651290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi luke
< 1340415393 45053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome luke2 
< 1340415397 30899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luke2: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1340415412 665864 :luke2!~luke@xdsl-78-34-244-3.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey quin..thank you
< 1340416897 323986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340416958 375636 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming everyone already saw google.com but just in case...
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< 1340419643 243813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think "Bub" uses goto
< 1340420293 359613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340420408 51981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Alan Turing's 100th Birthday | Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8
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< 1340420427 765654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Alan Turing's 100th Birthday! | Food is just pals you eat. Here's a spork for ya. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | This is what the bfjoust hill will look like under the new scoring system: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEWnVMg8
< 1340420548 816058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ITMCK sends the .IT to a file rather than stdout because it may need to seek the file that it is writing. It could probably be done without seeking but that would be a bit more complicated to program.
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< 1340420725 118822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could make it do without seeking, then I will change it to send the output to stdout instead.
< 1340420814 555209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Status messages (which include warning messages and error messages) will always go to stderr, so it won't interfere, except if you use "itmck -v" in which case it sends the version string to stdout and stops, and doesn't send anything to stderr.
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< 1340422380 379684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the google logo thing atm.
< 1340422404 827349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :In honour of Turing
< 1340422415 417748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if google's TM is the same as he used in Underload
< 1340422441 170986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably has to be
< 1340422451 450768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1340422484 693840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Binary_counting_Turing_machine
< 1340422516 742413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, try the thing out, it looks like you have to press those buttons to make it run the "right" program?
< 1340422528 968795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is more than one?
< 1340422530 212992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to configure the rules for the head that is
< 1340422547 904305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts out as a binary counter
< 1340422559 380196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well if the tapes ends up matching the string above it goes on to colouring the next letter in the logo it seems?
< 1340422624 997889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1340422685 322788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once you completed the whole "Google" it starts over but runs automatically
< 1340422695 222332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are talking about what happens when you press the green button, i assume
< 1340422701 40496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1340422706 263604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else?
< 1340422722 344454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally it automatically googles "Allan Turing"
< 1340422732 688711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as i said, it starts out doing a binary counter even if you don't press anything
< 1340422741 723352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, didn't notice that
< 1340422861 77842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION manages to get one letter colored but still has no clue what the actual system for settings is
< 1340422873 51891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1340422886 532111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just press the button thingy to make it run the right program?
< 1340422890 504891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it quite simple
< 1340422909 495691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i managed to get the second
< 1340422928 259889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a simple finite state machine with some symbols invented for various tests and writes to the tape and what not
< 1340422929 525579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't understand how it represents the actual program
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< 1340422951 684641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? It seems trivial to turn it into a finite state machine.
< 1340422959 210218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it practically is one
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< 1340422988 871799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so basically the thing below the tape is the control mechanism
< 1340422994 312223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it seems like there isn't that much choice in what to press
< 1340422995 926131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is it that you are not clear on?
< 1340422999 832803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1340423008 79263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets a bit more choice towards the end
< 1340423018 341010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they thought people were stupid (accurate!)
< 1340423084 589101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it has to be intuitive, given that i seem to make the right choice anyhow :P
< 1340423092 375910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1340423461 439076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, still not a bad "event logo" I think
< 1340423492 269470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.  i think i finally understood that it's starting at the left end...
< 1340423507 899279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of fsa diagram)
< 1340423522 698246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that was obvious?
< 1340423529 16767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a "complete the program puzzle"
< 1340423532 897590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1340423587 384063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i somehow thought the brightly colored button was where it started...
< 1340423610 448938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1340423727 417637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know why that second last one worked...
< 1340423739 723983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("worked" after i tried all options, that is)
< 1340423745 779015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it again?
< 1340423768 473656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't remember which one it was. I just traced through the program logically until I found a solution
< 1340423855 213416 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 NICK :MDoze
< 1340423954 157450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally i think i got the system at the last one (needed only one try despite four buttons)
< 1340424104 216411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah it was easy
< 1340424110 153871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think logically
< 1340424132 689970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are trivial finite state machines to trace in your head.
< 1340424133 858016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1340424151 458966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET YOU THINK MENSA TESTS AREN'T HIDEOUSLY AMBIGUOUS EITHER
< 1340424159 176652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they are
< 1340424175 756307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1340424190 332495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found these finite state machines trivial after the first one (where I had to figure out what the hell was going on in general)
< 1340424208 101916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my problem was i didn't _have_ to find out until the last one :P
< 1340424213 876397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1340424262 22930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could have tried all combos for the last one
< 1340424264 749269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that many
< 1340424268 717527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 buttons iirc?
< 1340424293 243635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340424307 92399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot how many states each had
< 1340424315 555149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah 2*2*3*3 or something?
< 1340424352 593041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which if I remember the number of conditionals accurately thus yields 36 combinations
< 1340424360 361254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried restarting and is wondering if this _is_ the same puzzle as last time
< 1340424376 263009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe they are random
< 1340424391 344222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this looks the same to me
< 1340424648 11982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I'm going to bed I think.
< 1340424649 672055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1340424777 19878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty sure he's on a different set of puzzles now.  maybe using the back button after the "Alan Turing" search works differently.
< 1340424800 453715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, this one has 6 buttons.
< 1340424961 763952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has _no_ options and looks like it may be inspired by the konami code
< 1340424968 451536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no buttons
< 1340425001 551759 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come i get the interactive doodle but my friend gets just a simple logo
< 1340425020 605012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no javascript or something?
< 1340425025 140681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1340425031 265199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1340425044 113523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things aren't always rolled out consistently everywhere
< 1340425054 878969 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we're on the same internet connection now
< 1340425057 133310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so, yeah
< 1340425065 529835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :different language settings?
< 1340425076 143800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you work out what the bit sequences mean?
< 1340425097 997472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there was a puzzle to that too?
< 1340425104 40432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't pay attention.
< 1340425640 684694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at Io for some reason
< 1340426428 355296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to try writing code for languages that interest me
< 1340426433 600847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just... doing nothing
< 1340427037 652269 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better yet, write programs that interest you
< 1340427074 947611 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something cool and stop obsessing over what tools you used to do it
< 1340427392 51219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program do you want to write?
< 1340428110 289622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1340428779 859902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i chose early on in life that my life would be about computer game software
< 1340428945 817513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What computer game?
< 1340429302 608544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any
< 1340429600 211888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your opinion that mathematics is the true reality?
< 1340429726 613640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
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< 1340430024 673401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i like to begin by categorizing events into good and bad, to demonstrate that inspite of my imagination bad things of all sorts happen... but also then stepping back and considering myself then as something which categorizes, which is itself a category
< 1340430036 560097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its worth noting i don't know what category means in mathematical sense
< 1340430100 957575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also know that my body will die, perhaps while doing one of these arbitrary categorizations
< 1340430449 824337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that once you remove a daily routine of going into public each day, it does help you realize things.. it's a bit like the movie terminal
< 1340430489 234382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality theres no invisible hand to save us if we get trapped by some flaw in societys logic
< 1340430617 642795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Actually there is, it just doesn't work for atheists
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< 1340431775 15766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages other than Haskell that unify (or try to, at least) exceptions and error return values?
< 1340432248 619024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions on what would be simple and efficient way to store the effect frames for each channel internally before converting them to patterns?
< 1340432403 108400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just store each effect frame individually together with length if applicable, but that might be too long?
< 1340432545 700464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it may be best to ask me about reality when i'm perhaps 10 years older, less depressed and more mentally stable. as it is i tend to freak out about once a day and prone to paranoia
< 1340432850 382619 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does that mean?
< 1340432924 131344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe and Either are concrete return values that can be checked normally, but can also be treated like exceptions.
< 1340432978 383573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if reality was safe, we wouldn't have so many safety devices and warning labels on everything. wander too far off the beaten track and theres no more of those
< 1340432987 283221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { x <- Right 1; y <- Left "oops"; return (x + y) } -- And all that.
< 1340432988 585332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Left "oops"
< 1340433007 943377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you have exceptions they're type-checked by their nature.
< 1340433117 96735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a lot of languages people argue about exceptions being unpredictable and return values being inconvenient and so on.
< 1340433126 997270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do have the Maybe and Either monads (and Maybe is like Either () anyways). You get their Kleisli category of partial functions with error messages from that monad.
< 1340433128 311148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether Haskell gives you the best or the worst of both worlds. :-)
< 1340433137 568408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it's something.
< 1340433160 979740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is that, it works well in the way you program it to work in the way you want it to work if it can be done with Haskell.
< 1340433260 336292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think there should be Alternative and MonadPlus instance for Either; it would be the same as what my Alternative and MonadPlus instances would be for Free monad and my Alternative instance for Const, if you use (Free (Const x)) like (Either x)
< 1340433274 557640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it also works with (Free Finalize) for Maybe
< 1340433454 8926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Plus f => Plus (Free f) where { zero = Free zero; plus (Pure x) _ = Pure x; plus _ (Pure x) = Pure x; plus (Free x) (Free y) = Free (plus x y); };
< 1340433496 427222 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<zzo38> Is your opinion that mathematics is the true reality?" certainly mathematical analysis is available for every situation.  it is in a sense inescapable much like the space-time continuum.  
< 1340433573 300598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the ultimate act of categorization is "what am i?" and "what do i need to be?" and if i am already what i need to be then the question is "why am i?"
< 1340433722 782137 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it is correct for me to ask why am i, is it correct for everyone to ask it? so then "why am i and why is everybody?"
< 1340433783 725697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in asking these things though, the asker already knows that theres no answer to the question..
< 1340434384 73519 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340434996 122656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality can extend to culture too.. like we have some sense of a culture, akin to our primitive senses.. the whole concept of a "theme"
< 1340435048 137215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a well-kept grandmothers house with lots of flowers on every piece of furnishing in site, and lots of sandwiches and tea and cookies being offered
< 1340435150 766237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently in psychology they call such a thing a schema
< 1340435263 64114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^such things schema
< 1340435348 456365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .. to be fair i was asked the question. maybe a rant was not anticipated. i am done with it. i didn't mean to offend anyone.
< 1340435456 989532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1340435990 668493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever invented the word "Yeshuaism"?
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< 1340437410 16497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fascinating that everyone has unique fingerprints.. what does it mean zzo38?
< 1340437495 46045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that we are our bodies, then we are also our fingerprints
< 1340437577 580557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only means fingerprints are a kind of unique idenfication, that's all
< 1340437755 848549 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1340437778 699581 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one positive thing about them is they are all equal
< 1340437804 538970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a symbol of equality in diversity
< 1340437821 768706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1340437831 577723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1340437877 28371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: That can be solved.
< 1340437900 59076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With careful application of surgical techniques, one can have fingerprints removed.
< 1340437915 194824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theres usually someone with the same first and surname as us.. someone with the same birthday as us. someone born in the same place as us. same blood type as us.. (although combined these elements do tend to make a unique id)
< 1340437943 482827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only living "Josiah Worcester".
< 1340437967 445 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340437968 33065 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was able to find a historical "Josiah Worcester".
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< 1340437979 934602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably me with a TARDIS.
< 1340438015 563272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok uh.. suppose that uh.. there was a bfjoust-like thing except based on an interpretation of fingerprints
< 1340438034 908902 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that could be interesting
< 1340438065 234493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for those people who don't have fingerprints.. well.. i don't know how to answer that
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< 1340438182 136363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I have written in the esolang list of ideas, one idea interpret the lines on your hand as a computer program; this can be done with fingerprints too.
< 1340438203 185224 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to have a fucking original idea these days eh
< 1340438261 254504 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, afraid the originalium ore was all mined up.
< 1340438668 519218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it is the Bob Profit Principle.
< 1340438765 187891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: =)) you're the only result i get in google for "bob proffitt principle"
< 1340438786 178702 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. more disturbingly you were addressing me then also
< 1340438787 233445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because it isn't on Google.
< 1340438806 512071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.07.30 08:52:07 <zzo38> itidus20: I have heard that being called the "Bob Proffitt Principle"
< 1340438818 134773 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this itself the principle in action?
< 1340438862 682287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340438865 828499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it means i repeat myself
< 1340438869 517999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-160-244.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1340438891 756063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that since you probably are not the smartest person in the world (and maybe even if you are), if you have some idea, it is likely that other people have very similar ideas too.
< 1340438910 127301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> anyway, i am great at independant discovery <itidus20> but I can't seem to actually think of anything which hasn't been thought of before
< 1340438920 92550 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1340438957 678692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Most of my ideas are stupid <Taneb> And probably been done before
< 1340438959 603615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes many people can discover/invent something independently, it seems espacially to be the case in mathematics. Including my ideas about mathematics, too.
< 1340438962 604054 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so, quite so
< 1340438970 578496 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops sorry i read that wrong
< 1340438976 148984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-s
< 1340439012 944362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like mathematics?
< 1340439043 422484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that i would like mathematics if only i saw it correctly
< 1340439094 611870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what motivates mathematicians if infact noone sees mathematics correctly
< 1340439114 997610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be the smartest person in the world but i can pick a 128-bit number that nobody else has ever picked before!
< 1340439141 594054 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to see mathematics correctly
< 1340439147 375826 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to see mathematics incorrectly
< 1340439158 793399 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"food for itidus21thought"
< 1340439160 49280 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, human endeavor is so broad that you hardly need to be a world-class genius to be original in *some* field
< 1340439207 674851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well i think it helps to see numbers as abstractions of measurement (i don't know if this is so) and arithmetic as a means of manipulating those measurements
< 1340439212 306198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes; I did not mean all ideas are very similar to others, I just mean that many will be.
< 1340439287 464305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at the same time, i think numbers can be used to say like, red = 1, blue = 2, orange = 3, white = 4, violet = 5, green = 6
< 1340439288 488918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Not all mathematics is numbers and measurement!
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< 1340439516 837041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1340439593 748843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are so annoying that children leave their homes even at the cost of having to pay rent
< 1340439632 584640 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :)
< 1340439697 5254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000s of days to be spent doing some tedious labour at a factory to pay the rent all to escape the annoyances of ones family
< 1340439752 801755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :red = 1, green = 2, yellow = 3, blue = 4, magenta = 5, cyan = 6, white = 7
< 1340439802 202064 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: does this mean being annoying "helps the economy" ? ? ? ? ?
< 1340439808 280249 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"food for itidus21thought"
< 1340440038 711469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well, about seeing it correctly, a question is if i am counting am i using mathematics? :D
< 1340440080 480020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is mathematics in this regard an analysis of counting :-?
< 1340440090 646592 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food for itidus21thought.
< 1340440135 361568 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh monqy, i have to show you my turing machine some time
< 1340440149 440198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: o
< 1340440151 805666 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D
< 1340440213 256681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see my turing machine in action visit this TM simulator http://morphett.info/turing/turing.html and the pastebin has the necessary code and explanation http://pastebin.com/XJf4cPyd 
< 1340440222 167786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this is a more interesting input "....888.s..c..>.|..8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8....|...<...888.c.c...c."
< 1340440498 724308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your word !
< 1340440515 737647 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..!
< 1340440628 434544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the insight i gained is that while brainfuck can peform the same computations as a turing machine, brainfuck's per-instruction manipulation of the tape itself cannot match a turing machine step for step
< 1340440959 97670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck seems to replace write_symbol with increment_symbol/decrement_symbol. and read_symbol replaced with read_isblank.
< 1340441140 113395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for comparing the state changing mechanism to the [ ] system, well thats not so trivial for me
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< 1340442641 512143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to have closed classes and automatic classes in Haskell (or Ibtlfmm)? Automatic classes are a generalization of closed classes. In Haskell, it might be done by a TH function usable in a class declaration and having the type:  ([Type] -> Q (Maybe [Dec])) -> Q [Dec]
< 1340442840 65412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1340443188 407698 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340443369 962093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus21> the insight i gained is that while brainfuck can peform the same computations as a turing machine, brainfuck's per-instruction manipulation of the tape itself cannot match a turing machine step for step
< 1340443464 718203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i was going to say that's why my minimal TM brainfuck proof uses 3 cells instead of just 2, but that's more a comparison with minsky machines.
< 1340444356 515 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340444428 761121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You can convert from (finite-cell) brainfuck to TM easily by making the bf program pointer value equal the TM state number. Something like http://sprunge.us/ZgOY (untested).
< 1340444452 769702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in the NTCM syntax.)
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< 1340447115 440279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340447127 447053 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1340448268 756687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1340448362 82823 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings
< 1340449622 670225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "monqyfacts plz"
< 1340449645 281247 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't just make up interesting facts on command !
< 1340449661 313188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thats monqy fact #1)
< 1340449666 878555 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- monqy)
< 1340449682 891545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1340449684 150522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #2 is that that's monqy fact #1, btw
< 1340449693 506384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that monqy fact #3?
< 1340449697 329650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340449701 135143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP
< 1340449705 506364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no end
< 1340449707 690954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other monqy facts?
< 1340449710 311763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340449716 958200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance: monqy fact #4
< 1340449741 25397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that?
< 1340449782 239470 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there are 4 monqy facts"
< 1340449793 175993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have:
< 1340449795 992192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqyadvice"
< 1340449806 615887 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy advice:
< 1340449813 131006 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  don't asl about monqy fact #5
< 1340449816 111131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't exist
< 1340449824 389227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  it's a bad idea to ask about things that don't exist
< 1340449826 177188 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do it
< 1340449830 564291 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  - monqy advice
< 1340449838 334867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's monqy fact #6?
< 1340449844 441449 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1340449848 459864 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1340449851 869906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH OH
< 1340449856 861761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does #6 exist?
< 1340449860 694865 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1340449866 863446 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only four monqy facts !!!
< 1340449867 946981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1340449886 797069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to explode now?
< 1340449891 30608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1340449897 4216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1340449901 385462 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want more facts you can make up a "shachaf facts" or something
< 1340449901 893004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry monqy"
< 1340449907 950735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Oh!
< 1340449917 751170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tell me a "shachaffacts"
< 1340449929 636655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you, shachaf, can "shachaf facts"
< 1340449936 293892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, if you want explosions, you can explode upon exhaustion of "shachaf facts"
< 1340449947 851350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode to your heart's desire
< 1340449948 271214 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1340449949 173119 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1340449951 331903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #7: there are more than 20 monqy facts
< 1340449951 959778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't desire it
< 1340449953 923118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to you
< 1340449956 159461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: o
< 1340449960 642322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie
< 1340449967 367824 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy lies #1 is that
< 1340449968 609661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy fact #7 is a lie?
< 1340449995 664281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monqy lies #1 but misnumbered
< 1340450005 180346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :'(
< 1340450016 809836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what:'(s monqy lies #2 :'(
< 1340450032 222857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy lies #2 is "the number of monqy lies is greater than two"
< 1340450061 266541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what:'(s monqy lies #4
< 1340450069 655595 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't exist!!!!
< 1340450074 524549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO
< 1340450148 753666 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command!
< 1340450156 344208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #2 the text "monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command!" is fact #1
< 1340450161 500316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #3 fact the text "the text "monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command!" is fact #1" is fact #2
< 1340450163 525273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) is the scariest smiley.
< 1340450165 742197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: DUDE NO
< 1340450167 154942 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4 there are 4 facts
< 1340450172 243136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's THE STARE.
< 1340450178 588831 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1340450189 533381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i made  typo in #3
< 1340450196 873138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: #2 is that monqy fact #1 is that monqy can't just make up interesting facts on command
< 1340450203 712629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a text can't be a fact
< 1340450229 268102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1340450246 73058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm new to this
< 1340450388 604459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm starting to break through the math notations.
< 1340450425 257639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my time in this room may be paying off in the long term
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< 1340451749 175804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1340452500 217950 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1340454310 808040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google didn't use a proper TM control mechanism for the doodle :/
< 1340454323 310972 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340454353 64782 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1340454366 746052 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what?
< 1340454369 364551 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.21.55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340454396 883335 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doodle?
< 1340454425 603651 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TM as originally defined doesn't have an instruction list like the doodle does, it has a FSM with tape operations.
< 1340454440 555773 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, google.com, click the tape.
< 1340454455 878143 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti is probably using something like lynx
< 1340454460 434436 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2
< 1340454492 447266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry nortti, you're only missing the chance to criticize something
< 1340454493 404632 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That instruction list is a FSM
< 1340454495 669988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bit limited
< 1340454499 423180 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps to make it more accessible.
< 1340454499 621477 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I usually use google wit my s_google shell script
< 1340454518 243309 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, it's dumbed down for the casuals.
< 1340454542 419501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: to celebrate alan turing's 100th birthday, google put up a small TM-based quiz on their homepage
< 1340454543 639273 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that less than 5% of the people who see it understand what it is without googling it
< 1340454546 622083 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's niche enough :P
< 1340454647 951608 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a great deal less than 5%
< 1340454671 250101 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe no
< 1340454679 134861 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 5% is realistic
< 1340454686 337898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5% is not realistic.
< 1340454699 478404 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programmers have no idea how a TM works.
< 1340454709 231236 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most mathematicians have no idea how a TM works.
< 1340454721 190678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how i ended up down this rabbit hole.
< 1340454730 338385 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how he ended up down this rabbit hole.
< 1340454783 287491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel probably has one of the highest concentrations of people who know how a TM works, and I'm not sure how many here actually know how a TM works.
< 1340454815 506313 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1340454822 590070 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 5% by using the Steson-Harrison method so
< 1340454827 193156 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a lot less.
< 1340454833 970078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh hey I made a non-halting machine.
< 1340454847 893944 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1340454894 642502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'l' in the second round of puzzles.
< 1340455007 846721 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Quit: 　
< 1340455149 240419 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? it doesn't work in hv3. is the TM written in js?
< 1340455167 613772 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1340455196 644105 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. google still gives me static version even if I use hv3 with js enabled
< 1340455220 236843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: believe me sir i understand why you feel a need to see it
< 1340455231 71153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it is a pithy nothing
< 1340455256 835034 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you could try using a graphical browser, but I suspect you have some objection or other to that.
< 1340455279 593766 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1340455301 358495 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hv3 is graphical browser with js support. even links2 is graphical
< 1340455335 219501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded 225mb worth of japanese game manuals (11 or them) for the neo geo game console, just to see them
< 1340455412 764848 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1340455436 661275 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other worse, i'm a conservative user of internet bandwidth, unlike anyone streaming video constantly
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< 1340455675 988744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, in that case, a mainstream browser, but you definitely will have some objection or other to that.
< 1340455774 31800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an amazing reward for completing the doodle, though: a search for "Alan Turing".
< 1340455791 889604 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bon echo mainstream enough?
< 1340455889 904959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I got a static version on the N900 browser too, even though it's a Gecko-based thing that certainly should be capable of running it.
< 1340455937 300183 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it works by detecting user agent or something stupid
< 1340455940 184967 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, it was mainstream.
< 1340455986 479899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'm tired of this game, do you have any actual reason not to just point the latest Firefox or Chromium at it.
< 1340456032 572878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. running out of RAM on browser startup and swap thrashing that slows it to unusable speed
< 1340456055 876438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, you have ~no RAM.
< 1340456085 398195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember what point you were trying to prove.
< 1340456091 622325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i understand your predicament
< 1340456133 749723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent real time searching though google for the japanese manual or the nintendo famicom game "super mario usa"
< 1340456148 802066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^for
< 1340456157 341912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a game?
< 1340456175 554433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. known in the west as "super mario bros. 2"
< 1340456175 807857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user agent for the N900 browser is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3pre) Gecko/20100723 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900" which I would think should look mainstream enough.
< 1340456186 325096 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1340456200 563119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released it in japan as "super mario usa"
< 1340456241 112682 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Adblock messes up Acid3.
< 1340456264 202411 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: there is something i can do though to help!
< 1340456291 81457 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario 15,2★★★1,15 U 15,4 S 1,15 A  FUCK YEAH
< 1340456294 329934 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1340456351 549421 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what?
< 1340456353 993307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/chromium-acid.png well that was a poor showing.
< 1340456375 993677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, it's an impressive 100/100, but it's not quite like the reference image.
< 1340456383 311406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: click this pic http://oi50.tinypic.com/5cbw2x.jpg
< 1340456415 322314 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats roughly what it looks like..
< 1340456430 967951 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I suggest you install Chromium, all websites runs mighty fine on it.
< 1340456432 129565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interacting is to toggle the yellow buttons between a few states
< 1340456438 734484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then click the green button
< 1340456447 551039 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it should run smoothly on a modern system with at least 4GB of RAM and a recent processor
< 1340456453 812707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now your curiosity might be relieved.. and you don't need to load it
< 1340456490 254698 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: yeah. the swap trashing even on midori was so horrible I am not installing that bloatware
< 1340456504 660992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: are you able to view jpeg links?
< 1340456511 439114 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340456512 868224 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Maybe you don't have enough RAM.
< 1340456524 340963 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The fact that you even have to ask that is sad.
< 1340456530 431987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a screenshot of the page in question.. its the most i can do :-D
< 1340456545 170687 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: oh really? I have 64MB of RAM
< 1340456564 53737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a 71kb image
< 1340456583 834983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think you may not be able to call modern software 'bloatware' when your system has decade-old specs.
< 1340456589 915003 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm sorry but that's below the minimum requirements of modern life.
< 1340456590 113870 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :914px � 576px
< 1340456602 612963 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Remember that it's much bigger uncompressed
< 1340456621 841556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: good point
< 1340456656 879142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my graphics card(which my brother gave to me as a kind birthday present this year) has 1gb of ram
< 1340456670 124485 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help but be amused by 64mb ram
< 1340456687 718554 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4GB of RAM costs under �20.
< 1340456732 135309 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: don't have 64 millibits of RAM
< 1340456732 706346 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's OK to play with retro stuff
< 1340456736 763246 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be a lot of fun
< 1340456742 382681 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't honestly expect everybody else to play along
< 1340456749 158743 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not 1996 anymore.
< 1340456755 88302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, playing with it is great fun. Using it as your primary system?
< 1340456765 630156 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro? this is only 12 years old for gods sake
< 1340456788 666036 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My neighbour did use his Acorn Archimedes up til a few years ago, but he really only used it for word processing.
< 1340456790 712018 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is retro.
< 1340456813 117339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hey fun fact, computer hardware has a short life-cycle!
< 1340456826 89133 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there's this thing called 'Moore's Law'?
< 1340456866 521648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still. I can call my 18 year old server retro but this T20 isn't
< 1340456876 850245 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1340456884 953529 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get to decide what words mean.
< 1340456902 151837 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the definition of retro then?
< 1340456933 491340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. retro -- (a fashion reminiscent of the past)
< 1340456936 611841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually...
< 1340456937 733217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a dictionary.
< 1340456938 146320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn retro
< 1340456939 533284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "retro" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1340456939 732958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro
< 1340456939 733109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: affecting things past; "retroactive tax increase"; "an
< 1340456939 733219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           ex-post-facto law"; "retro pay" [syn: {ex post facto},
< 1340456939 733324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {retroactive}, {retro}]
< 1340456941 495776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a fashion reminiscent of the past
< 1340456953 419082 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even a dictionary does not reflect vernacular usage.
< 1340456958 685719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot *is* a dictionary.
< 1340457001 127942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "T20" is that? 
< 1340457011 916504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the ThinkPad sort of T20? 
< 1340457017 734544 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340457021 563855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the cricket sort.
< 1340457027 128678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should come with 128 MB standard.
< 1340457030 673824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been shortcharged.
< 1340457049 942470 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. this is taken from dumpster
< 1340457061 513753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in that case you can't complain.
< 1340457076 474363 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :64MB was biggest PC100 stick I could find
< 1340457128 404194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT doesn't have more than one slot? According to specs, you could fill it up to 512 MB officially.
< 1340457153 427280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recognizes up to 512 MB of addressable memory in models with the Mobile Pentium III processor. Memory options up to 256 MB SDRAM SODIMMs each can be added in the two available slots for memory expansion."
< 1340457177 271831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other slot is damaged
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< 1340457195 588714 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't recognise RAM in there
< 1340457205 335733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No wonder it was in a dumpster.
< 1340457250 118884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not get a bigger stick?
< 1340457261 517783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:12 < nortti> 64MB was biggest PC100 stick I could find
< 1340457306 28197 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say 'find' I assume you mean 'find in the dumpster'.
< 1340457327 920024 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1340457338 179818 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at used computer store
< 1340457344 369526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course.
< 1340457368 923714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I hope you do something nice with the �20 or so you've saved.
< 1340457381 560116 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had no ram and no hd when it was thrown in there
< 1340457409 337237 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme guess, the HD is... hmm, 4GB?
< 1340457409 536053 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is my most powerful computer...
< 1340457416 192943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money have you invested in this computer? 
< 1340457420 852491 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :30GB HD
< 1340457453 603990 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2 euros for ram sticks and 4 euros for HD (from friend)
< 1340457520 433757 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile for �20 you could get a Raspberry Pi with better specs.
< 1340457528 265720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it would be awesome./
< 1340457580 468047 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raspi has slower CPU (or so I am told)
< 1340457655 11776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH you might actually be able to run... well, something on it.
< 1340457688 854213 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. f they get decent RISC OS port I'll buy one
< 1340457693 908647 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if
< 1340457822 407918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser.
< 1340457827 580061 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1340457832 657032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/modern/mainstream/ or whatever.
< 1340457861 520144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey now, RISC OS has the original Elite.
< 1340457865 673605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1340457866 873023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's a Firefox 2 port, too.
< 1340457885 360689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no it doesn't, it has like Archimedes Elite.
< 1340457891 487989 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bon echo runs on it and I might be able to port my bit updated fork of gecko 1.8 to it
< 1340457907 71974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is even the deal with Firefox versions? I remember when 2.6 was A Big Deal and now it's up to 13.)
< 1340457923 971059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no firefox 2.6
< 1340457948 432601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had to catch up Chrome is what I think is the deal.
< 1340457956 558207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, sorry, why isn't the thing called Firefox 2.6 actually Firefox 2.6?
< 1340457969 774422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's marketing
< 1340457981 366840 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is 2.6? or do you mean 3.6?
< 1340458018 342782 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I was thinking of 3.5
< 1340458018 578238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox probably has more users than linux
< 1340458028 645791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so marketing is a big deal :D
< 1340458031 150944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's now six weeks per major Firefox version, it's just their scheme.
< 1340458048 246832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease and all that.
< 1340458057 85495 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that firefox's versioning went to hell after 3
< 1340458133 22966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that the godfather II set the precident for numbered sequals in hollywood
< 1340458154 29278 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1340458202 700714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they called the sequal of "the godfather" as "the godfather II"
< 1340458214 203842 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^sequel
< 1340458264 254746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up until then apparently hollywood had been conciously avoiding numbered sequels
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< 1340458521 310249 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still call firefox 3<x<11 firefox 4 series and firefox 10<x<18 firefox 5 series (switching at ESR)
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< 1340458594 118603 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and internaly I tweaked my builds to report gecko version as 2.0 and 2.1)
< 1340458594 989891 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ESR have to do with it?
< 1340458662 775355 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is ESR, from there on I call it firefox 5 series. 17 is ESR, from there on I call it firefox 6 series and so on
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< 1340458791 235859 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 3.6 which is comparable to ESR terminated 3.x series
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< 1340459462 430323 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monqy fact #7 has to exist to be a lie.  Therefore monqy fact #4 is also a lie.
< 1340459476 241009 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are at least two Monqy facts we don't know, 
< 1340459483 543298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are monqy facts?
< 1340459495 848723 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#5 and #6.  What are you hiding from us monqy?
< 1340459517 203001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been more confused in my life. Except when talking to monqy
< 1340459581 860634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:23:42: <fizzie> Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser.
< 1340459597 324304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ has an HTML 5 parser and does CSS.
< 1340459609 810427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly not JS.
< 1340459639 865653 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsurf is nice browser. if I'd only get the framebuffer version to build
< 1340459699 585134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a given monqy fact can address itself or another given monqy fact!
< 1340459723 95529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> how come i get the interactive doodle but my friend gets just a simple logo <-- I checked on a phone and all I got was a simple logo
< 1340459733 396113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so maybe he was using a different browser?
< 1340459745 318023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Or timezones, perhaps.
< 1340459760 316193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they were on the same connection
< 1340459784 956652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres probably some autistic savants who if they numbered lines in their conversations could talk very efficiently
< 1340459856 846792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> 13:23:42: <fizzie> Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser.
< 1340459863 692104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you looking for an old browser?
< 1340459877 495603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use lynx or something?
< 1340459878 343234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why are you responding to a quote out of context and assuming context for it?
< 1340459887 551026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read the line below as well
< 1340459928 749204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if the context was wrong, okay, whatever
< 1340459971 893617 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < Phantom_Hoover> Meanwhile for ■20 you could get a Raspberry Pi with better specs.
< 1340459974 898142 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19 < Phantom_Hoover> Also it would be awesome./
< 1340459977 397857 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20 < nortti> raspi has slower CPU (or so I am told)
< 1340459979 902272 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21 < Phantom_Hoover> OTOH you might actually be able to run... well, something on it.
< 1340459982 904321 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22 < nortti> well yeah. f they get decent RISC OS port I'll buy one
< 1340459985 419783 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22 < nortti> *if
< 1340459987 936071 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:24 < fizzie> Ah, I understand: you need it to run RISC OS so that you don't accidentally have a chance to run a modern browser.
< 1340459993 660278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ■20?
< 1340460007 646373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right
< 1340460024 774448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nortti's computer hasn't the RAM to display Unicode.
< 1340460024 973718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is [black box unicode char]20?
< 1340460029 181334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thus it is modern bloatware.
< 1340460030 105196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lol
< 1340460034 449682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1340460063 873521 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually fbcon just doesn't handle some chars that well
< 1340460085 489799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy facts an esolang
< 1340460088 240000 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: it should be
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< 1340460172 341667 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be
< 1340460192 164131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to resemble forth
< 1340460201 166582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't used forth so i can't really say that
< 1340460238 1819 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy facts use postfix notation?
< 1340460292 159401 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monqy facts language basically consists of building a list of monqy facts
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< 1340460345 849559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, how do I pull the SMS off a nokia non-smart-phone (dumb phone?)
< 1340460364 566488 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nokia suite?
< 1340460376 120434 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it renamed ovi suite
< 1340460382 738327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm on linux
< 1340460419 463418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all I have is bluetooth, might be able to find a mini-USB somewhere though
< 1340460436 12591 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you are screwed
< 1340460436 211113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pulled the contacts over bluetooth easily on Linux
< 1340460441 28046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1340460481 361400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my desktop that dual boots to windows has 64-bit windows 7. This phone predates windows vista. Chances of working drivers for 64-bit? Slim.
< 1340460506 536059 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. google TM might require html5 support
< 1340460552 14136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone has that nowdays
< 1340460562 457092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it's such a trivial thing though.. it's not a TM simulator
< 1340460563 437792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is a mobile browser
< 1340460584 167607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a 6 stage quiz
< 1340460595 145291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool i admit that
< 1340460601 361529 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants one of those Touch Book things that run Risc OS.
< 1340460612 704347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is doing /something/
< 1340460617 154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of drivers installing
< 1340460668 310543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to have nokia suite for 64-bit windows. Well that went better than I expected
< 1340460706 406713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol this phone has mini-usb but doesn't charge over mini-usb?
< 1340460707 819018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1340460802 785470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Sil's manual is fancy as heck.
< 1340460811 106475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is Sil?
< 1340460816 668004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/
< 1340460846 780564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1340460847 982949 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!  The spider that's been hiding inside the keyboard has finally emerged...
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< 1340460871 328272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly looks appealing
< 1340460891 971926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a new roguelike that is supposedly very good.
< 1340460892 835497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it is an angband fork?
< 1340460918 34260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions Angband on the website
< 1340460918 233101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but it completely replaces huge swathes of the mechanics, and heavily discourages the standard grinding and so on.
< 1340460923 492646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1340460927 532041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, um, Angband is a thing in Tolkein.
< 1340460931 746218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tolkien
< 1340460933 145349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angband
< 1340460933 649904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know
< 1340460940 226780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also one of very few games that stays true to the writings of Tolkien. Carefully researched, it dispenses with many generic fantasy tropes and reveals a different world. There are no wizards or priests, no platemail or magical scrolls. Instead, it is the Norse Saga inspired world that Tolkien imagined, with warriors clad in shining mail, singing songs of rage or sorrow as they slay. The magic of the world is subtle yet powerful: there are 
< 1340460940 423739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :songs of fear and of binding, rather than spells of fireball and teleportation."
< 1340460941 166596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is also angband the roguelike
< 1340460954 272507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it still ASCII graphics? Because that manual seems way too fancy for that
< 1340460965 742574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's screenshots right there on the page, you know.
< 1340460978 966438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no tiles but I think he wants to make an existing Angband tileset or work or something.
< 1340460990 227608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Minecraft, you can forge your own artefacts!
< 1340461020 675744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, further down
< 1340461090 355380 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever play Legend of the Red Dragon II: New World?
< 1340461101 105801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of game is that?
< 1340461121 50227 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multi-player BBS door game, slightly roguelike.
< 1340461122 430505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Also despite the windowed mode screenshots, it does in fact compile and run in a terminal on Linux.)
< 1340461156 883150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1340461205 980996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a nice tutorial thing.
< 1340461213 317491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a roguelike with isometric tiles. Avernum style. There is nothing in the concept of roguelike that says it has to be ASCII graphics.
< 1340461230 228144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See Vulture's Eye.
< 1340461237 350820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its predecessor, Falcon's Eye.
< 1340461260 783433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, like all tiles versions they're harder to play and less aesthetically pleasing than glyphs.
< 1340461264 14262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was that the nethack based thing?
< 1340461269 644186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1340461279 58936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text on the Sil page does sound like the words of a man possessed by his work
< 1340461282 397547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Falcon's Eye didn't work very well
< 1340461293 518949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the cool thing about Sil I've heard is that you get exp from just seeng monsters, not only fighting them, and also for reaching new depths, etc. So it's feasible to play a pacifist diving game.
< 1340461320 878202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the tiles were too big in Falcon's Eye. Avernum have really small ones. Not sure about the exact size but less than a tenth of Falcon's Eye's tiles I would say
< 1340461325 514121 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah even i noticed that... on one of the screenshots.. thats mind blowing
< 1340461401 740740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still not even close to the type of games i play but i can tell that it's cool
< 1340461448 845871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Encountering another would be worth 26 experience.  Killing one would be worth 80."
< 1340461851 518759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NetSurf is kind of why I changed 'modern' to 'mainstream'.
< 1340461862 576802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh.
< 1340461867 721259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't notice. :(
< 1340461873 937304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Im sory.
< 1340461894 949043 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1340462807 139442 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Secondly the code is extremely complicated, toady has a Ph.D in mathematics." -- redditor, on DF.
< 1340462972 545692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1340463305 481790 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1340466122 74084 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://madebyevan.com/webgl-path-tracing/
< 1340466328 914816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Errrr, are you Martin Unzner?
< 1340466336 856481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1340466348 51117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the .fi in your domain, I'm gonna go with "no"
< 1340466372 704507 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Is your version of C2BF up somewhere?
< 1340466475 891644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who;s martin unzner
< 1340466489 515658 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Somebody who just emailed a patch to C2BF to me.
< 1340466492 217626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went "lolwut"
< 1340467328 434871 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1340468285 96307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1340468344 992277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '∙'
< 1340468346 302242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8729
< 1340468349 207329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the UTF-8 encoding of that? thx
< 1340468351 435532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you may also apply
< 1340468352 728861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also you
< 1340468358 298563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably in hex!
< 1340468453 119207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11100010 10001000 10011001
< 1340468455 427433 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hex it yourself.
< 1340468462 629432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk >:(
< 1340468469 901707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b11100010 -> hex
< 1340468489 148397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e2
< 1340468496 271609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1340468496 933289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works
< 1340468497 364586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1340468501 163125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is it really three bytes
< 1340468505 520766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b10001000 -> hex
< 1340468515 28158 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88
< 1340468515 863312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10011001 -> hex
< 1340468525 637869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :98c179
< 1340468530 17007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help
< 1340468532 846064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you lying to me
< 1340468549 669806 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wut the hell X-D
< 1340468553 388163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you forgot 0b
< 1340468553 955060 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0b10011001 -> hex
< 1340468561 935373 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :99
< 1340468578 773444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1340468591 397678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xe2\x88\x99
< 1340468592 631350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx Gregor
< 1340468604 860721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've been able to do that yourself ;)
< 1340468606 78346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another bogey!
< 1340468611 956246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 8729 -> binary
< 1340468621 605264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10001000011001
< 1340468631 322215 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then split it by groups of 6 from the right
< 1340468637 490457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 001000 011001
< 1340468642 532816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add UTF-8 prefixes
< 1340468650 66579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11100010 10001000 10011001
< 1340468669 899747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1340468756 558328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0b isn't a lot of work but i wonder if one day numbers will be more complicated
< 1340468807 592321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_base#Base_.E2.88.921.C2.B1i
< 1340468810 505219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like depending on the size of a number, changes it's default base encoding
< 1340468840 58826 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking on a different tangent but i may as well clikc this link!
< 1340468882 721068 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my c2bf is not available anywhere. I'd like to include his patch if he agrees to license it under ISC/MIT/BSD/CC0/WTFPL license
< 1340468907 465490 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, as a single license?
< 1340468940 603727 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those. my fork is under ISC
< 1340468956 38276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a small patch, but I'd rather see your version become accessible first ;)
< 1340468972 410496 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1340468991 307319 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get it to github
< 1340469033 34170 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial_number_system ?
< 1340469051 15319 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill click that in a second.. but what i am proposing is truely fucked up
< 1340469095 511380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : x=1 xx=10 xxx=11 xxxx=4 xxxxx=5 xxx xxx=6 xxxx xxx=7 xxxx xxxx=8 xxxxx xxxx=9 xxxxx xxxxx=A x xxxxx xxxxx=B xx xxxxx xxxxx=12 
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< 1340469187 486635 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok maybe that is like that
< 1340469505 314150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically though, using a sequence of digits without specifying the base, the only rule being that a sequence of digits maps to only one numeric value
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< 1340469564 509600 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'm going to say that is actually stupid.
< 1340469586 13085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to explicitly define a new sequence of digits for each number
< 1340469777 714179 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=1 xx=10 xxx=11 xxxx=1111 xxxxx=5 xxx xxx=6 xxxx xxx=21 xxxx xxxx=8 xxxxx xxxx=9 xxxxx xxxxx=A
< 1340469804 546077 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's indeed stupid.
< 1340470033 309169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pretty much rules out induction
< 1340470043 317008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And limits you to a finite number of numbers
< 1340470050 122753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't absolutely have to be arbitrary
< 1340470066 859104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, the only rule is that they're unique
< 1340470108 270815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm
< 1340470122 208492 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know..
< 1340470133 69300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime numbers can be in hexadecimal!
< 1340470139 565282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was just silly, that would be okay
< 1340470143 850102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh...
< 1340470149 55574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's arbitrary, it's useless
< 1340470171 334269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. 
< 1340470181 365162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1340470221 873203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1340470235 274535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a number is a prime number in both decimal and hexadecimal... then its digits are to be interpreted as-- this aint gonna work
< 1340470250 836899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that would be an interesting set of numbers!
< 1340470264 695751 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, 3, 5, 7
< 1340470267 210822 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11
< 1340470275 391554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13
< 1340470283 293465 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17
< 1340470286 977410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 19, though
< 1340470305 259466 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i couldn't make an encoding rule out of that trivially
< 1340470312 227186 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :29?
< 1340470314 253588 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is in itself a fascinating sequence
< 1340470325 71184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, after 17 the next is 29
< 1340470339 865046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mfix
< 1340470341 229380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (MonadFix m) => (a -> m a) -> m a
< 1340470344 633619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tell
< 1340470346 234886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall w (m :: * -> *). (MonadWriter w m) => w -> m ()
< 1340470370 192775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> execWriter $ mfix (\x -> tell [1] >> return x)
< 1340470371 437757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1]
< 1340470394 754508 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useless is that?
< 1340470412 296896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well um
< 1340470415 40011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually use the result
< 1340470451 212226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is _|_, I think
< 1340470460 999741 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix
< 1340470461 659335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus
< 1340470575 465196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Writer [Int] mfix
< 1340470575 947002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over.
< 1340470586 594126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix WriterT
< 1340470587 113400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You untyped fool!
< 1340470594 298558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src WriterT mfix
< 1340470594 841874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive.
< 1340470597 331116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help src
< 1340470597 719709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :src <id>. Display the implementation of a standard function
< 1340470725 889392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mfix WriterT w m
< 1340470726 503213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
< 1340470728 638514 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfix m = WriterT $ mfix $ \ ~(a, _) -> runWriterT (m a)
< 1340470732 637461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it is
< 1340470855 925802 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A103144
< 1340470874 171844 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang they sure do have a sequence for everything
< 1340470885 452035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340470897 126860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota programs which do not halt
< 1340471012 505885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for trees where the data is in the leaves rather than the branches?
< 1340471029 761672 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data LeafTree a = Node a | Branch [LeafTree a]
< 1340471055 419128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that type is a Monad, btw
< 1340471071 542919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's Free [], I believe
< 1340471078 409920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1340471091 939523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas a branch tree is Cofree []
< 1340471095 689432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node
< 1340471097 84914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Forest a -> Tree a
< 1340471126 351899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's Tree seems to have it in the branches
< 1340471136 600819 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's Data.Tree
< 1340471159 502804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Cofree?  so a comonad?
< 1340471163 859021 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1340471169 933703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know Cofree but guesses so
< 1340471183 346468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data Cofree f a = a :< f (Cofree f a)
< 1340471289 975776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Maybe is non-empty lists?
< 1340471301 886088 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1340471310 624290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Identity is infinite streams
< 1340471331 543253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I read that as coffee first
< 1340471331 742516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Zero is Maybe
< 1340471342 769632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is it
< 1340471349 372428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Zero a = Zero?
< 1340471351 868713 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1340471363 700558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd call it Proxy)
< 1340471372 985337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree Zero is Identity
< 1340471386 186249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Zero, that was wrong
< 1340471402 504032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy, then
< 1340471405 239912 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that
< 1340471414 290326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Zero;
< 1340471421 865439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that Void?
< 1340471428 831139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero is Void
< 1340471431 397918 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1340471431 743318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is ()
< 1340471433 949628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two is Bool
< 1340471434 619732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by zzo38's terminology, maybe i should try not to absorb that :P
< 1340471435 753329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1340471456 628896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus is Either, right?
< 1340471458 698107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three is Ordering
< 1340471464 963543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Times is (,)?
< 1340471482 303848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Power is ->
< 1340471504 709417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right on the edge of my comprehension, I'm gonna brb and think about that
< 1340471550 665249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Succ is Maybe
< 1340471553 129750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: think of the cardinality
< 1340471563 380709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many functions A -> B are there, given the size of A is x and the size of B is why
< 1340471570 193123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(consider A = Ordering, B = Bool, and so on)
< 1340471571 948933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also ignore _|_)
< 1340471657 710768 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1340471702 746965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now :)
< 1340471962 496558 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody answered my question :/
< 1340472156 444877 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt68KHKrBjU
< 1340472169 200123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baptists do not fear getting their trousers soaked, apparently.
< 1340472232 181531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, there's a sale at IKEA
< 1340472280 457807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carl Full Immersion Baptism Baptismal Service Baptisms Baptise Baptists Baptize
< 1340472316 531775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone doesn't know how to use tags
< 1340472378 229987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if he was too tall and banged his head
< 1340472379 482130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then
< 1340473595 48415 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340474000 272757 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, calamari
< 1340474019 814986 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb 
< 1340474050 595107 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a name for tree structures where the data is stored in the leaves rather than the branches?
< 1340474065 785637 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1340474128 730377 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't data usually stored in both?
< 1340474260 548357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1340474550 362532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340474586 636823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you know if there is a name for tree structures where data is stored in the leaves rather than the branches?
< 1340474846 844188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell me
< 1340474947 911436 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to know?
< 1340475087 655148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know. But if it is binary tree, then data stored in leaves would be (Free ((->) Bool)) and data stored in branches would be (Cofree ((->) Bool)), I think.
< 1340475116 916603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1340475124 927920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Phantom_Hoover: what if he was too tall and banged his head
< 1340475132 516695 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he is blessed with a concussion
< 1340475214 396794 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is there a specific town in GB that brits make jokes about?
< 1340475507 677725 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call hexham the eso state and often make brainfuck jokes about it.
< 1340476196 23298 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way to sum an array of floats?  Maybe remove the smallest two and put their sum in the array until only one is left?
< 1340476322 451914 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340476328 566543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1340476339 69717 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: not really towns, just a few cities and regions.
< 1340476343 759276 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb :-)
< 1340476373 876579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finger Tree, I think, is an example of what I've been asking about
< 1340476413 670790 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, leaves is Free []; branches is Cofree []
< 1340476434 831619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, that is the multiple branches tree
< 1340476442 437513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1340476456 25235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the (->) Bool works as a binary one
< 1340476476 491004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1340476864 579397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm starting to actually learn something
< 1340476899 526603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo
< 1340476905 71784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1340476908 702677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you learning
< 1340476931 3726 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. i have thought up a really bizzare thing
< 1340476949 123828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1340476964 483114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerous questions in my mind abound..
< 1340477038 47517 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)does it already exist? 2)is it patented? a lot? i always dislike patents. 3)is it too similar to anything? 
< 1340477047 722062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the usual questions of direness
< 1340477061 279466 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: can You give an example?
< 1340477157 340465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ahh.. well i have done enough reading for today about random things.. my brain probably needs a rest
< 1340477165 388563 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i am thinking about making coffee
< 1340477180 817961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real or instant?
< 1340477186 936620 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant
< 1340477199 592097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok ill just tell you my idea
< 1340477258 591354 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: Essex: easy girls, Norfolk: inbred, Somerset: cider drinking farmers, Wales: sheep shaggers
< 1340477291 556168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dislike patents a lot
< 1340477299 118544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hook up a virtual animation studio to a FSA
< 1340477308 621335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_, Glasgow: murderous murderers
< 1340477342 64913 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, your stereotypes seem quite southern
< 1340477342 924243 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this is infact just a dumb version of mugen... it might be :P
< 1340477434 530995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)place a cel 2)remove a cel 3)draw on a cel(including drawing nothing) 4)move a cel 5)change the z-layer of a cel 6)photograph the scene
< 1340477562 442634 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y <- cel position(cel #), x <- cel z-layer(cel #), x <- cel drawing(cel #), list of cels <- cels at point(x,y), list of cels <- cels in rect(x1,y1,x2,y2)
< 1340477576 515779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that list of cels bit
< 1340477583 7611 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a good reason for it
< 1340477598 557013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf, hey what's the Edinburgh stereotype.
< 1340477640 45630 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking all these things and connecting them to a FSA and producing a series of "photographs"
< 1340477939 921102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :place a cel at 50,50 -> draw frame 1 on cel 1 -> photograph -> move cel 1 to 55,50 -> draw frame 2 on cel 1 -> photograph
< 1340477942 596266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lots of bagpipes
< 1340477957 134232 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1340477962 774847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not a stereotype that's just an observation
< 1340477968 484018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1340477980 933518 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't think of anything specific to Edinburgh.
< 1340477982 624463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilts?
< 1340478000 89595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only really on formal occasions or on the goddamn bagpipers.
< 1340478016 142433 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh is only stereotypically Scottish when convenient.
< 1340478017 827904 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> place a cel at 55,50 -> draw frame hat on cel 2 -> photograph
< 1340478035 661904 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer
< 1340478043 330110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not like Glasgow at all
< 1340478070 415251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> move cel 1 to 60,50 -> move cel 2 to 60,50 -> photograph
< 1340478078 292811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer  <Taneb> So, not like Glasgow at all
< 1340478081 411217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :846) <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer  <Taneb> So, not like Glasgow at all
< 1340478096 620783 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hating Glasgow is my schtick!
< 1340478098 21742 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine!
< 1340478109 555565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fight crime
< 1340478113 193491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :661) <Phantom_Hoover> No you can't fight crime in Glasgow.  <Phantom_Hoover> It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum.
< 1340478126 20126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all miiiiine
< 1340478151 909391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote glasgow
< 1340478155 14955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :498) <Phantom_Hoover> Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 661) <Phantom_Hoover> No you can't fight crime in Glasgow.  <Phantom_Hoover> It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. \ 846) <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer  <Taneb> So, not like Glasgow at all
< 1340478274 275836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my system places and removes cels much like a TM writes on a tape, thus it is quite possibly turing complete except obviously theres been no details of what the FSA consists of
< 1340478301 732478 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1340478303 147343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot
< 1340478312 481338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been addressing the individual cels..
< 1340478323 762571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but although they could have infinite addresses
< 1340478403 150138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.. it matters not
< 1340478748 430834 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340478827 138058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell of the "tape" would have 3 elements  X x Y x Drawing, all set to 0 by default
< 1340478949 186104 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the z-order could simply be the order of the cels on the tape
< 1340478955 822938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glasgow? Did they invent GHC?
< 1340479068 304453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1340479120 793782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They
< 1340479272 882783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for this picture, http://0.tqn.com/d/webclipart/1/5/Q/p/4/Chair-on-beach.jpg my tape encoding would be something like ...[blank][blank]^[background][umbrella][chair][blank][blank]...
< 1340479329 271859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would draw the cells from the tapehead rightwards until it got to the last non-blank
< 1340479408 576251 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; i'm insane and my parents only had 2 children. what a legacy
< 1340479494 222353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm reinventing the display list rather awkwardly
< 1340479605 693049 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: see you after few weeks
< 1340479616 703397 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1340479626 700273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i'm onto something here
< 1340480245 362596 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340480560 268331 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13133F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]
< 1340480952 173444 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His family members include his parents[...], and his sister" -- WP article on Christopher Paolini.
< 1340481050 559509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not his brother, that black sheep.
< 1340481058 464540 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1340481059 962029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the alternative would be more disturbing
< 1340481070 844750 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made my instant coffee
< 1340481085 928248 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christopher Paolini was birthed from the infinite flux of chaos.
< 1340481099 512767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, you need to record it or something, it doesn't work as text.
< 1340481112 517311 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1340481149 447181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like, saying it in an unsettling voice on youtube?
< 1340481162 567544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1340481167 51213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is precisely what I mean.
< 1340481181 928744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a try-hard would do that
< 1340481189 19250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wear a darth vader suit
< 1340481242 801831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1340481246 797087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I finaly got to see google TM using opera mobile
< 1340481251 979817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have such a suit, but i could point yonder in a distinguished manner.
< 1340481536 573290 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340481809 586340 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM?
< 1340481816 247866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM!
< 1340481846 123567 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm)
< 1340481887 681135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if alan turing might make it onto epic rap battles of history after this google drawing attention to him
< 1340481925 773010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i would not pay much attention 
< 1340481934 803776 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont often pay attention to google celebrations
< 1340482077 595674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You know, Google(TM).
< 1340482282 511078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait peter serafinowicz is doing an iama
< 1340482300 325498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet ask me anything?
< 1340482321 251574 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: turing machine
< 1340482390 526743 :const!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1340482420 386803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that.
< 1340482431 259676 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s special about it when using Opera Mobile?
< 1340482512 676365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't have any other way of viewing it
< 1340482570 526742 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1340482608 659925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the messages in my fortune file is this:  **DO NOT REMOVE THIS MESSAGE FROM THIS FORTUNE FILE**
< 1340482681 58711 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1340482694 972710 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have fortune
< 1340482745 321292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use mine if you want to
< 1340482775 261151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo fortune | nc zzo38computer.cjb.net 70
< 1340482792 224672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1340482794 358133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some systems you may need     echo fortune | nc -q -1 zzo38computer.cjb.net 70
< 1340482811 909010 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1340482819 976795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does what do?
< 1340482829 202324 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-q -1
< 1340482865 908877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the system I have needed it on, at least, it prevents the client from closing the connection.
< 1340482877 86824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the connection will only be closed by the server.
< 1340483308 886569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might or might not find on your system that it requires -q -1 and if it does, it will be required for all gopher and headerless HTTP
< 1340483609 63642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM have any commands for making a self-modifying code?
< 1340484422 111264 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340484523 78030 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to produce self-modifying code?
< 1340484594 57207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out
< 1340484600 166533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1340484625 370960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1340484647 249201 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see why one would want to produce self-modifying code?
< 1340484651 752348 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an esolang channel?
< 1340484718 908950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many non-esoteric uses for self-modifying code as well
< 1340484726 9814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux kernel has like 12 kinds of self-modifying code
< 1340484758 524569 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolang yes but self modifying code in compiled c programs - no
< 1340484772 907873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 did not say C, he said LLVM
< 1340484794 795746 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is just compiled c "everyone knows that" "come on"
< 1340484828 267507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you build a Linux kernel for SMP x86 and then boot it on a uniprocessor, it will rewrite the code to remove all the LOCK prefixes
< 1340484855 918840 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you boot this kernel on a SMP system, and then hot-unplug all but one of the processors, it will do this dynamically (and will undo it if you hotplug another processor)
< 1340484904 633888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually LLVM has some features that C doesn't, but also lacks a few features which C has (such as unions).
< 1340484917 460828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise it will rewrite the code at boot according to available CPU features (e.g. choosing between CPUID and MFENCE for serialization)
< 1340484947 924185 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will rewrite certain instructions to be hypervisor calls when booted under paravirtualization
< 1340485004 611792 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux also uses SMC for tracepoints, verbosity setting, etc
< 1340485063 398460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there should be some metadata to tell it to make a global variable belong to an instruction, and can be told read/write/both lock on that ownership
< 1340485126 38815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no locks if you want no locks on the ownership
< 1340485254 263103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<monqy> llvm is just compiled c "everyone knows that" "come on"
< 1340485258 311796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, llvm is better than c
< 1340485261 702566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: haven't you even LISTENED to zzo38
< 1340485274 675370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that LOCK thing is cool
< 1340485277 468361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: @ will do stuff like that!
< 1340485300 545054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These metadata to make a global variable belong to an instruction would probably be ignored on a Harvard architecture though, unless it has ways to deal with it anyways
< 1340485303 484625 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c improves when compiled, clearly
< 1340485324 189398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this would be one kind of self-modifying code
< 1340485450 603523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction that the global variable belongs to, might potentially run faster than it otherwise would, and possibly make the executable a few bytes smaller
< 1340485614 653335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how TV Tropes is steadily lobotomising itself by purging any examples for anything even vaguely controversial.
< 1340485642 786525 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1340485674 714251 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious one that comes to mind is that all Mary Sue-related tropes have had their examples completely removed.
< 1340485683 93598 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pages upon pages of content.
< 1340485711 710731 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1340485739 591811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... So, what, they're trying to be 'legit' or something?
< 1340485741 489343 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it wasn't particularly /good/ content, and a lot of it was an argumentative mess, but there's a certain pleasure in reading it.
< 1340485743 539709 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, apparently.
< 1340485755 951903 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still waiting for them to introduce notability criteria.
< 1340485777 171153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM now even supports the feature of Pascal to specify the valid range of a variable
< 1340485778 363316 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1340485888 690400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean for a variable to belong to an instruction?
< 1340485924 542375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can only be used as an opcode to that instruction.
< 1340485938 720958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It means the value of the variable is a literal operand to that instruction.
< 1340485962 426390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, if the instruction is reading the variable)
< 1340485964 769448 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Linux has (or had) that too
< 1340485990 378105 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the API is like a global variable but (on some platforms) the variable reads are immediate loads, and the variable writes modify that code
< 1340486026 20601 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't TVTropes ran mostly by Americans?
< 1340486028 379904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I mean
< 1340486036 169704 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really a big surprise they're trying to get rid of "controversy"
< 1340486036 935112 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1340486040 595344 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :America censors music CDs
< 1340486043 282008 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid "controversy"
< 1340486045 456456 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did you expect
< 1340486050 160611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also loved it when they changed Crowning Moment of Awesome to... Moment of Awesome.
< 1340486084 471068 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I'm going to assume you're kidding because my hate pool is running low.
< 1340486089 677352 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: that's a ridiculous comparison
< 1340486101 398916 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an example.
< 1340486114 639993 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showing a nipple is worse than murder.
< 1340486120 617658 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In their books.
< 1340486128 257152 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "they" you mean all 300 million Americans, yes?
< 1340486148 3262 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the culture they've created (and by extension all the cultures negatively affected by it)
< 1340486186 947284 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, oh, they also purged more or less every page they decided was 'porn'.
< 1340486197 757543 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course.
< 1340486205 195133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: who's censoring music CDs?
< 1340486209 312211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This extended to Lolita until saner minds shouted them down.
< 1340486220 902329 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something has sexual content in it it's just "porn". Of no value to any decent gentleman.
< 1340486236 144218 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a work of fiction with both sexual content *and* a good, intriguing story is unheard of over there.
< 1340486242 799348 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1340486250 398559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: The only censorship in music CDs is from Walmart refusing to sell uncensored music.
< 1340486250 997930 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck off
< 1340486268 5966 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how big is wal-mart again?
< 1340486273 972232 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty huge IIRC
< 1340486274 320524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ginormous.
< 1340486277 968636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, a private company puts a warning sticker on a CD (and still sells it) and then another private company refuses to sell that CD in their stores
< 1340486279 501607 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow I doubt they're the only ones.
< 1340486282 120295 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other companies do sell it
< 1340486285 165171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I'm guessing that you have never, say, heard of Game of Thrones?
< 1340486288 231824 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"American retailer Best Buy only carries uncensored albums in their physical stores"
< 1340486290 877259 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The warning sticker is bad enough
< 1340486291 794768 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uncensored*
< 1340486303 529907 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you must label them as "uncensored" is ridiculous
< 1340486336 46823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, sorry, in that scene with all the topless whores some of them had one breast covered up.
< 1340486339 845370 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CENSORSHIP
< 1340486341 148746 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that the stickers are silly but to call them "censorship" is a bit much
< 1340486343 241039 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were a company, it'd be one of the world's largest economies...
< 1340486351 761175 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So it has clearly visible unambiguous nipples?
< 1340486364 585207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: as far as I know, Walmart's the only company that actually refuses uncensored music.
< 1340486366 891808 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes?
< 1340486373 316745 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1340486384 913521 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly visible nipples are an "at least once an episode" thing.
< 1340486385 167755 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be a pioneering work then
< 1340486389 127738 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: the thing is, I would have agreed with you if you just said "American attitudes towards sex and profanity are ridiculous"
< 1340486390 36777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no?
< 1340486400 119892 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you came on way too strong and said ridiculous things yourself
< 1340486405 563413 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically destroyed your credibility
< 1340486406 839403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course.
< 1340486409 68694 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how I roll.
< 1340486409 347253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should actually learn about things before going on crusades.
< 1340486409 546437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERIKKKA AM I RITE
< 1340486415 147591 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1340486418 19212 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U S OF FUCKING A
< 1340486426 612984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAZIMERIKKKOMMUNISTA
< 1340486437 634144 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did the crusaders really "learn" or "think" before going on theirs? No.
< 1340486447 108239 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should I!
< 1340486454 937368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, actually, they did.
< 1340486459 334481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for trolls
< 1340486463 856877 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not rationally
< 1340486477 766674 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure?
< 1340486498 521953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm not sure he is a troll, although that would be better.
< 1340486505 934489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1340486514 768027 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look what you did now.
< 1340486519 357571 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if TVTropes is run by Americans, i highly doubt it's run by the segment of American society which has a huge stick up its ass about sex and profanity
< 1340486531 503373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really that many of us
< 1340486537 754472 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just loud and try to impose their views on everyone else
< 1340486542 991941 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, it is.
< 1340486551 813224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the top echelons of moderators.
< 1340486576 69012 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1340486618 79944 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TbH initially it was because Google pulled their ads from the site because of some of the more risque content *cough*fetishfuel*cough* but when they started deleting stuff like Lolita and Naughty Tentacles it went well beyond reasonable.
< 1340486666 283468 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We no longer collect examples of fetish fuel. We did so for long enough to establish that literally everything is someone's fetish fuel, and that some few individuals are quite willing to go on about theirs at length. The topic seems to want to get out of Family Friendly territory too easily for TV Tropes, so we spun off another wiki for it: Fetish Fuel Wiki."
< 1340486669 87912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is because of Google?
< 1340486687 515264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty reasonable
< 1340486694 593102 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who decides what's "fetish fuel" or not
< 1340486704 882296 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it was a specific article
< 1340486705 752570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps everything is fetish fuel
< 1340486713 574381 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one of the mods had a raging foot fetish would any articles involving feet be banned?
< 1340486718 828136 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1340486720 88463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah, that was reasonable enough.
< 1340486722 298684 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you completely misunderstand
< 1340486724 723174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're an idiot
< 1340486727 403069 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck everyone
< 1340486728 227603 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1340486732 338762 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1340486733 35304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: No, but any articles involving hand would be banned.
< 1340486737 222435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to you you idiot
< 1340486744 694562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is parting a "thing" now
< 1340486753 569912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the hip new thing
< 1340486754 477724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be cool too !!
< 1340486757 399865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1340486761 280778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1340486855 988364 :dbane!~user@c176-34-62-134.ob.nfrinternet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340486916 947874 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm apparently an idiot
< 1340486917 825548 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1340486919 183863 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PART :#esoteric
< 1340486968 663407 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I leave the channel, it'll stop being cool
< 1340486981 630285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to stop being cool, or not?
< 1340487107 364555 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why?
< 1340487116 169086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works
< 1340487128 847196 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't really care. Fate conspires to keep me uncool
< 1340487135 282919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm destiny's anti-hipster
< 1340487149 949116 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do things after they're cool
< 1340487238 619534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1340487250 543050 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parting is hard
< 1340487595 921261 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I have to leave this channel for few weeks
< 1340487627 380201 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti-, my bouncer will still be here thoug
< 1340488276 539641 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com
< 1340488474 267785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll stop anyone without an invite coming in
< 1340488580 470074 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who?
< 1340488598 961893 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340488693 680212 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1340489178 399555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your bouncer
< 1340489429 457006 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1340489441 284282 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a pun)
< 1340489716 67279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=define:bouncer&oq=define:bouncer&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...6222.6222.1.6424.1.1.0.0.0.0.52.52.1.1.0...0.0.QGwSZnmncyE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=21405353d8475aae&biw=1366&bih=682
< 1340490204 437409 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/tfawq.gif
< 1340490500 635219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1340490502 667248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1340491016 487012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does Wine have a lot of dependencies
< 1340491021 327268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose in retrospect that wasn't really surprising
< 1340491892 138308 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340491905 714450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi john
< 1340491946 570791 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.178.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-)
< 1340491952 522050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chudoin?
< 1340492098 479645 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/windows_evolution.jpeg
< 1340492165 198921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to speak deutsche to know what that troll is thinking
< 1340492187 670302 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gut=good
< 1340492194 789668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheisse = shite
< 1340492196 911335 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1340492212 950712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... there seems to be a pattern
< 1340492221 711468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1340492225 688651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first MS releases a gut Windows, then a scheisse
< 1340492231 807811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gut, then scheisse
< 1340492233 617268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think win95 was particularly shit
< 1340492234 14529 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on..
< 1340492264 644692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah theres some artistic license taken
< 1340492297 516639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they left out win2k 
< 1340492326 755751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like the pic
< 1340492344 810643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 2K was never touted as a consumer OS.
< 1340492356 589733 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gregor
< 1340492357 229992 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to complain that they left it out, they also left out NT 3 and 4.
< 1340492363 161426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is egobot umlboxed yet?
< 1340492369 502002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X
< 1340492372 926051 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really so vital?
< 1340492381 191657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm just asking
< 1340492385 755915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha saved by the egobot
< 1340492388 158341 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not. I have other things to do.
< 1340492396 351434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie dokie artichokie
< 1340492406 70862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saved
< 1340492430 537326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad to hear that. everyone knows win 8 will be crap.
< 1340492460 938988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who won the war of 1812?
< 1340492471 929044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia
< 1340492473 747929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1340492475 354572 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best possible outcome would be that windows vs linux is like encarta vs wikipedia
< 1340492497 44390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually it was the u.s.
< 1340492500 492613 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :encarta?
< 1340492544 336698 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was a commercial encyclopedia.. apparently MS bought some encyclopedias and stuck them together on a cd
< 1340492579 705675 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was semipopular before Wikipedia.
< 1340492837 581993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i can go a day without producing any more cynicism
< 1340492843 221399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason why not
< 1340493187 348123 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340493335 750255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-250-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1340493493 743950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1340493739 775280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i can sleep
< 1340494157 747426 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: see ya after few weeks
< 1340494287 806792 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :dog
< 1340494507 240794 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1340495781 54978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric