00:00:38 someone 00:00:48 nominated their own crappy photo of a tennis ball 00:00:51 for featured pic 00:01:19 And what happened 00:01:50 Three votes, all oppose. 00:02:28 good 00:04:08 I guess I'll finish that app tomorrow 00:04:11 oh well 00:04:34 not a lot left though, clean up GUI, remove some debug buttons and add preference saving 00:05:08 Wow someone nominated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shallow_water_waves_250px.gif for featured pic. 00:05:43 Huh 00:06:00 also eh, seems I need to bug fix, I think the service got killed somehow... 00:06:10 guess it needs to be a foreground service 00:16:26 Which programming languages allow ASCII control characters in identifiers? 00:17:00 zzo38, Pretty sure erlang allows some at least, if you quote the identifiers 00:17:27 you can have an identifier which is the empty string even 00:19:33 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:20:01 -!- derdon has joined. 00:20:26 I do like to be able to quote the identifiers too but it is not exactly what I meant 00:21:40 zzo38, you can't have such variable names of course, since that is a separate namespace 00:21:44 but function or module names, sure 00:21:55 though for module names the compiler might not like your file name very much 00:24:08 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:24:21 There should be allowed to use shift-in, shift-out, and backspace, possibly with some restrictions (such as not more backspaces than printable characters, and any shift-out must have a shift-in somewhere after it), in some programming languages, maybe? 00:25:46 As well as macros to treat certain names as similar to others. For example in Haskell we have "/=" for not equal so you can have "/\BS=" and "\SO|\SI" macros that result in the name being treated equivalently to "/=" unless those macros are redefined. 00:25:52 shift-in? 00:25:57 what does shift-in/out do? 00:26:00 do* 00:26:08 (You could also have the similar macros for the Unicode not-equal sign to mean the same thing too) 00:27:15 Vorpal: Shift-in/shift-out on some terminals is used to select a different character set. (Other terminals may have other meanings for them, none of them common as far as I know) 00:27:25 right 00:27:41 well I need to sleep, unless Phantom__Hoover comes back I'm not going to bother chatting more 00:33:10 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:33:37 Or someone else who 00:42:30 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has changed nick to Patashu. 00:50:08 Hi Patashu 00:51:09 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:52:50 I need to sleep even more. 00:53:38 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:54:47 Phantom__Hoover: oh? 00:59:00 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:02:07 Intro to Physics started. http://www.udacity.com/overview/Course/ph100/CourseRev/1 01:05:37 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 01:05:37 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined. 01:30:35 Are you good at physics? 01:31:41 When in school I could select the science course I selected the physics because I like that one. But I was also taking calculus class so some things in the physics I could understand by the calculus too 01:32:00 I think they invented calculus to do physics. 01:41:09 zzo38: aren't you still in school? 01:45:24 I am not in school at this time. 01:48:17 zzo38: What school are you not in? 01:49:35 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:49:57 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:51:41 zzo38: are you at collage or university then? 01:54:26 I am not at school/collage/university. 01:57:21 https://twitter.com/MichaelSeger/status/217792901718085633/photo/1/large Now I too get to experience what Beijing atmosphere is like! 01:58:47 zzo38: I mean during 01:59:08 During non-holidays 02:00:55 I finished school 02:08:35 Ah 02:09:14 Will you start university this fall then zzo38 02:09:48 I don't think so 02:10:08 Why not 02:12:08 FireFly: what did it say 02:12:27 -VorpalPhone- VERSION AndChat 1.4.0.2 http://www.andchat.net 02:12:34 Ah 02:13:11 Missing the Xchat style nick alignment though 02:14:52 FireFly: want a screenshot? 02:15:03 Sure 02:16:29 http://db.tt/gRRLiUbB 02:17:19 http://db.tt/4SFpiBgg too 02:17:27 FireFly: 02:18:19 That looks pretty neat. Not a fan of the variable-width font though 02:18:36 This is on a 302" display btw 02:18:51 306 I meant 02:19:02 Dpi too 02:19:22 4.8" 306dpi 02:19:32 So many typos 02:19:40 302" would be insane :p 02:20:23 Like an Iboard 02:22:23 Anyway I'm effectively using swype, though it calls itself "Samsung keyboard" 02:25:04 Also the phone uses the front facing camera to detect when you are still looking at it even though you haven't touched it for a bit. It works better than I expected. 02:25:57 Prevents screen from timing out 02:28:21 Another nice feature is picture-in-picture with the video player inside any other program. Doesn't work with YouTube though, only local videos. 02:28:57 that usage of the front-facing camera sounds pretty clever 02:29:11 Yes 02:29:53 I really like this phone 02:30:07 Galaxy s3 02:31:48 Long term this keyboard hurts though. But so do all phones. Even ones with physical keyboards 02:32:46 The best phone keyboard I've used is the N900's, so far 02:34:05 Oh, really 02:34:17 Seems tiny still 02:34:44 And I have fairly huge hands 02:37:10 Hmm I want YouTube-dl for android... 02:39:40 Ha! I can trick opera mini into acting like that 02:41:02 So that way I can do the picture in picture with YouTube videos 02:42:54 This is what it looks like http://db.tt/mBOf3bn7 02:43:00 FireFly: 02:43:23 oh, neat 02:43:50 You can drag the video around of course 02:43:54 is it easy to switch between applications? especially between current and last application 02:44:40 Not as easy as with galaxy nexus 02:45:01 Due to hardware buttons 02:45:31 You hold down home to get the task menu 02:46:06 Rather than the dedicated button Google intended 02:46:45 Ah 02:47:55 The video thing is unique to s3 though 02:50:04 This has a quad core CPU 02:50:48 FireFly: pretty good battery time though. 02:52:14 Been using WiFi for hours without recharge and still at 75% 02:52:26 That's cool 02:52:44 Watched video most off that time too 02:53:41 If you can handle a large phone, this is awesome 02:56:40 One issue is that using the FM radio with the included earphones o 02:56:50 Is noisy 02:57:49 No idea why. Works well with other headphones. 02:58:33 Also the included ones are fine with music player 02:58:43 Night 02:58:50 -!- VorpalPhone has quit (Quit: Bye). 03:04:41 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:09:10 -!- ion has joined. 03:15:01 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:35:47 Usually a music that modulates into many keys uses equal temperament so that the chords are equal for all keys, which does work OK. But what happen if you write a music that is modulating into many keys, starting and ending on the same key though, and using just intonation tuned for only the starting key, so that the chord vary in the different keys (although you might get wolf tones in some)? 03:38:53 (Doing that, you would have to think more carefully of what keys you modulate to, such as when you want wolf intervals and so on) 03:57:02 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:59:12 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 04:04:38 -!- aloril has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 04:09:25 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:17:24 -!- augur has joined. 04:19:30 -!- aloril has joined. 05:05:58 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has changed nick to Patashu. 05:06:26 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:07:17 Unuse command in this track. 05:10:52 -!- Vorpal has joined. 05:11:33 -!- VorpalPhone has joined. 05:16:20 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:17:11 -!- VorpalPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:18:50 -!- ion has joined. 06:33:35 The default setting for VRC7 frequencies in PPMCK appears to be based on A440 although it is 2Hz off and the tones vary as much as four cents from equal temperament. This is using 172 for C (the formula is $F={49722x\over2^{19-o}}$ where $x$ is a nine-bit integer and $o$ is a three-bit integer). Setting C to 269 appears to be much closer with up to two cents of variance. 06:34:38 However, this way is no longer tuned to A440 so it will not work if you use channels other than the VRC7 (and possibly noise channels as well), or if you require A440 tuning for any other purpose. 06:37:14 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:39:56 However, you do get a just perfect fifth of C and G with the 172 based setting. 07:04:25 zzo38, what about non-western tunings? 07:04:44 does it support Indian (as in India) music? 07:04:58 if not, how could you improve the system to support that? 07:05:46 tswett, update 07:06:19 -!- ion has quit (*.net *.split). 07:06:19 -!- trout has quit (*.net *.split). 07:06:19 -!- stanley has quit (*.net *.split). 07:09:19 Vorpal: I suppose any octave-based tuning could be used with VRC7, although since the frequency must be a nine-bit integer, the range may be limited so they might not be in tune. 07:09:39 (I have already made PPMCK to support custom tuning) 07:09:46 -!- ion has joined. 07:10:29 zzo38, iirc Indian music have quarter-notes 07:10:36 don't remember the the details though 07:11:31 -!- trout has joined. 07:11:31 -!- stanley has joined. 07:11:32 -!- stanley has quit (Changing host). 07:11:32 -!- stanley has joined. 07:12:06 PPMCK only supports up to sixteen notes per octave though, due to the way the lookup tables are programmed. 07:12:31 zzo38, you need to improve that 07:14:12 PPMCK only makes .NSF musics and is has a limited ROM space as well as a limited CPU speed 07:14:49 so optimise it 07:16:46 I did that. 07:17:59 -!- trout has quit (Changing host). 07:17:59 -!- trout has joined. 07:24:59 -!- nooga has joined. 07:45:17 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: Go!). 08:24:35 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:25:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:01:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:09:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:15:17 -!- augur has joined. 09:36:01 -!- derdon has joined. 09:38:08 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:11:09 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:11:36 -!- derdon has joined. 11:15:21 Ok. Found new solution for 90 11:15:56 No surprise there 11:16:01 as it's 88 + + 11:16:01 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:19:25 The object-oriented variant of 88. 11:24:35 hm? 11:24:48 88++. 11:24:55 lol 11:25:17 (88++)++ 11:25:41 i think i see whats happening 11:25:57 88 succ succ 11:29:33 It's better just to succ it up. 11:29:38 c.c 11:30:57 ive been studying some actual math today 11:31:50 wat kind 11:31:50 I actually have no idea how +[+[+>]<<+]> works :) 11:32:01 except that it dous. 11:32:04 *does 11:32:25 kmc: well i don't know if i've read the wikipedia page before, but existential quantifiers 11:34:14 E x in X P(x), V x in X (Px), ~E x in X P(x), ~V x in X (Px) 11:34:23 where E is a backwards E 11:34:33 and V is an upside down A 11:35:12 ∃, ∀ 11:36:17 i only see the boxes with numbers.. im not sure how to remedy this 11:36:29 maybe windows fault 11:36:47 It seems to add 1 to the cell in the middle every 12 cycles 11:36:49 *cycles 11:37:06 itidus21: whatever font you're using doesn't have those characters 11:37:15 ah ok i see it in this one 11:37:35 except for the first and last few cycles. 11:37:58 ive basically been studying control flow 11:38:17 mroman: If I call the cells L, M and R (for left, middle, right), I think it keeps R == 0 as a sentinel, initializes L = 1, C = 3 and then keeps doing L += 3, C += 1 until L wraps around. (Or, rather, L += 2, C += 1, ***, L += 1 where *** is the point where L's wraparound is noticed.) 11:38:19 there is a setup to 2 11:38:28 and then i arrived at a page about McCarthy Formalism 11:38:34 mroman: (At least based on how it starts; I haven't checked how it ends.) 11:38:35 it set's the cell to 2 and then adds one every 12 cycles 11:38:46 -!- AnotherTest1 has joined. 11:38:47 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 11:38:58 -' 11:39:15 R is always 0, yes. 11:39:18 mroman: The +'s in the outermost loop always apply to the left cell, while the [+>] construct increments both the left and middle cells. 11:39:33 (Well, except for at the very start, when the first + applies to the middle cell.) 11:40:33 and then shit just got real 11:42:41 i feel like i'm on the precipice of being an application developer and a computer scientist 11:42:50 14:42 ,cc uint8_t L = 1, C = 3; while (L) { L += 3; C++; } printf("%d\n", C); 11:42:53 14:42 fizzie: 88 11:42:57 I'm pretty sure that's what it does, basically. 11:43:09 (My previous comment on where the L wraparound is checked was worng.) 11:43:19 do people do both? 11:43:47 sure 11:43:55 what do you do now? what have you done? 11:44:06 ive made trivial apps :P 11:44:40 but, like, theres a reference on this wiki page to Marvin Minsky (1967), Computation: Finite and Infinite Machines 11:44:46 hm. cool @fizzie 11:44:51 which is probably massively overkill on explanation 11:45:09 but if i followed it up i would be going down the rabbit hole 11:46:30 reading one paper by marvin minsky does not make you a computer scientist 11:46:48 good point 11:50:30 ^bf +++>+[+++<+>]<.! I think it's pretty much the same as this, except saves characters by cleverly getting the setup done somewhat incidentally, and doing that unbalanced loop in place of +>+, which is of course important in getting the setup done. 11:50:31 X 11:55:29 Ok. 11:55:47 I'm currently generating a list of program ranges which I'd like to tackle with a 5k cycle limit. 11:56:14 Also I meant +<+ in my comment, forgot I had swapped the two cells. 11:56:46 To bruteforce every program in a range takes approx 1.5h on an i3 Processor. 11:57:00 one core :) 11:57:28 -!- stanley has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:57:33 So I won't come far on my own :) 11:57:57 and 1 range includes 4294967295 programs 11:58:42 -!- stanley has joined. 11:58:47 some of them not valid brainfuck programs, of course. 11:59:01 but those are not interpreted. 11:59:21 Not 4294967296? I would have expected a 2^N, not 2^N-1. 11:59:41 -!- nooga has joined. 11:59:59 That is ULONG_MAX on a 32bit machine. 12:00:14 But there are ULONG_MAX+1 values in an unsigned long. 12:00:19 From 0 to ULONG_MAX. 12:00:36 ah 12:00:37 yes. 12:00:44 it goes from 0 to ULONG_MAX 12:00:52 for(i = 0 to limit) 12:00:52 (Nitpicking is what I do most of the time.) 12:01:09 where limit is ULONG_MAX 12:03:55 So I thought I publish the program, create a table of ranges in the wiki 12:04:03 and people can sign up for them and let them run 12:04:09 and publish the results :D 12:08:52 first I shall solve some linear first-order inhom. diff. equations. 12:27:16 Does the wiki allow to upload text files? 12:32:38 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:33:10 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:41:01 well, there you go. 12:44:34 hm. 12:44:43 this wiki seems not to like subpages? 12:46:23 I've seen subpages in the User: namespace, at least. But that might be a different thing. 12:47:11 I think turning on subpages for the main namespace would be a mistake 12:47:15 I guess not. 12:47:56 That was in February 2012, though. 12:48:55 Very next line, incidentally: because it just encourages people to put programs on the wiki 12:49:43 (The Esoteric File Archive, if it was somehow more publicly editable, would I guess be the proper place.) 13:07:45 -!- MDoze has joined. 13:10:40 well. 13:10:45 then I have to move it :) 13:12:52 It's not a very great sin, but I suppose it's slightly discouraged. Maybe. I don't really have any knowledge on things having to do with the wiki. 13:13:21 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck 13:14:22 i thought i was having a good night but somehow i triggered depression.. maybe i'm too much of a realist 13:16:27 like i have all these cortices in my head designed to process looking at and talking to humans, but days, weeks, years pass just staring at a computer screen 13:19:29 -!- Deewiant has quit (Quit: Changing server...). 13:19:38 -!- Deewiant has joined. 13:26:35 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:33:40 -!- TodPunk has joined. 13:55:29 I 13:55:30 wow 13:56:14 Warwick University's accomodation application offers "British Antarctic Territories" as a nationality. 13:56:31 for completeness 13:57:04 Well it actually /says/ "British Antartic Territories". 13:58:35 And if I'm from gibraltar? 13:58:51 that's certainly covered, isn't it? 13:58:57 Oh, it also has 'England' as a nationality. 13:59:05 what about that oil platform that gained independence? 13:59:08 And yes, it has Gibraltarian. 13:59:29 i forgot the name of it, sorry, but it was something funny 13:59:30 If you mean Sealand, it has next to no formal recognition and in any case was a fort, not an oil platform. 13:59:43 thanks for correcting me 13:59:49 so sealand is not on? 13:59:54 what about the Basque nationality? 14:00:10 Nope. 14:00:26 that one could be fun, since they're fighting for recognition since about when the stonehenge was new 14:01:34 WP says Basque nationalism originated in the 19th century,. 14:01:58 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:02:01 It... has Falkland Islander. 14:02:51 Antartic... nice 14:03:27 speaking of typos, I once had to put [sic] in a reference list (In my thesis). The paper was from an "Internatonal Conference" 14:03:37 s/In/in/ 14:03:41 Phantom_Hoover: stop correcting neutrino2000, that's not very polite. 14:03:51 Phantom_Hoover: given that the earth is only 4000 years old i'd say that's when the stonehenge was built 14:04:16 -!- asiekierka_ has joined. 14:04:29 who is blom?? also who is neutrino2000 i guess 14:04:45 Phantom_Hoover: guess. 14:05:27 i am blom entirely by accident 14:05:33 um 14:06:01 blom, oklopol? 14:06:11 I can't think of any notable absences other than elliott, and you don't sound like elliott; oerjan's not here but I don't think he's normally on at this time? 14:06:23 Oh, .fi host. 14:06:25 Phantom_Hoover, according to whois this guy is from .fi 14:06:26 yeah 14:06:27 oko then? 14:06:29 -!- blom has changed nick to oklopol. 14:06:35 quite. 14:06:43 I'M NOT NOTABLE HUH 14:06:51 oklopol, I think you are notable 14:06:56 :)) 14:07:01 * oklopol is notable ^^ 14:07:04 oklopol, don't let that mean Phantom_Hoover make you sad! 14:07:16 oklopol, well notable as in your absence is presently noteworthy. 14:07:28 true 14:07:36 i'm quite random nowadays 14:07:38 SO MUCH GOING ON 14:08:33 OK wow, the aforementioned citizenship selection? Doesn't include "United States". 14:08:37 Or "US". 14:08:45 Or even "America", and that was scraping the barrel. 14:08:53 Oh wait! 14:08:58 Yes it does have "American". 14:20:57 -!- Patashu has changed nick to Patashu[Zzz]. 14:21:02 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:22:55 Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants/Crunchfuck 14:28:11 There is a problem that when you pick a range in the middle there is no way to know shortest previous solutions. 14:28:33 But that's by design that way. 14:28:58 It's not a problem though, you just have to filter them out when somebody in a lower range also found a solution for the same number. 14:44:25 http://i.space.com/images/i/4460/original/Apollo-11-Immigration-02.jpg "Departure from: MOON" 14:47:18 does the law really consider the moon a different country? 14:47:23 thats silly 14:47:31 the moon is american land 14:48:04 The article that accompanied the image said they were having one of those "joke" things. 14:48:37 makes sense 14:49:06 It's a bit vague to say just "MOON" when what is asked is "Place and Country". That's about 38 million square kilometres. 14:50:25 it's not so big. in the middle of the night when it's full, i can cover it with my thumb, arm extended 14:50:52 "Any other condition on board which may lead to the spread of disease: TO BE DETERMINED" 14:51:06 Well, they *did* sit in a quarantine for some weeks. 14:51:13 yep 14:51:14 For all those MOON GERMS. 14:51:18 don't wanna get moonpox 14:54:05 there should be a brainfuck derivative with distributed message-passing 14:54:09 called clusterfuck 14:54:55 "there should be a brainfick derivative" is the objectively best initial substring a sentence can have. 14:55:09 obviously 14:56:58 Today's new newsgroup at the local Usenet server: alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now. (The client reports all new groups.) 16:00:37 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 16:22:56 nortti: Your C2BF online yet? 16:28:12 -!- neutrino2000 has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:29:25 Gregor: is egobot umlboxed yet? 16:30:08 quintopia: Do you have an hg bundle for bfjoust to use the new scoring system yet? 16:31:05 Gregor: i dont know how. anyway, it only needs to change like four files, and they are all in that archive i gave you. 16:31:18 ... you gave me an archive??? 16:31:27 besides, hg can't make sure you have clapack installed can it? 16:31:28 I thought we just talked about how to send it and then I never got an actual link. 16:32:06 uh nope, definitely gave you a link sometime last weekish 16:32:18 might have @tell'd it? 16:32:42 @messages 16:32:43 quintopia said 5d 14h 48m 56s ago: http://www.filedropper.com/newbfjousttar and ask about the bug in gearlance 16:32:46 .......... 16:32:50 lambdabot: WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED 16:33:23 you said something to the channel just moment after i sent that as i recall 16:33:30 so i'd assumed you'd seen it 16:33:40 So about how that link seems dead >_> 16:33:58 ugh I no longer understand my new esolang 16:34:06 well they delete files if no one downloads them :P 16:34:28 i'll reupload in a minute 16:37:03 Gregor: no, I havn't been able to access my computer since last saturday 16:38:22 -!- john_metcalf has left. 16:38:33 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 17:19:14 nortti: Do you have a github account, so I can at least point the guy there and say "it should appear here sometime" X-D 17:19:28 -!- MDoze has changed nick to MDude. 17:22:45 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:23:53 -!- augur has joined. 17:24:37 -!- boily has joined. 17:28:35 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:29:08 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:35:08 Gregor: yes. JuEeHa 17:37:09 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:42:09 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:49:19 -!- augur has joined. 17:55:58 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:56:34 -!- john_metcalf has quit (Quit: john_metcalf). 18:15:45 ^rainbow *squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak* 18:15:46 *squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak* 18:17:56 no 18:18:13 what? 18:19:28 it looks better if each color is repeated for 2 chars before switching 18:19:42 fungot: get on that, will you? 18:19:43 quintopia: i used to have some ostensible reason for visiting somewhere. " i'm giving you an illusionary effect of adding 2 to t 18:28:13 ^rainbow ^rainbow ^rainbow 18:28:14 ^rainbow ^rainbow 18:28:44 ^bf_textgen ^rainbow 18:28:53 or was it 18:28:59 !bf_textgen ^rainbow 18:29:14 !help 18:29:15 help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . 18:29:21 !bf_txtgen ^rainbow 18:29:24 93 +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. [505] 18:29:38 ^rainbow ^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. 18:29:39 ^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.> ... 18:29:56 ^rainbow !bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.>---.<+++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.>---. 18:29:57 !bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>+++.> ... 18:30:51 あきらめる… 18:33:26 !bf_txtgen ^rainbow hello 18:33:28 147 ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. [981] 18:33:38 !bf ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>>>>++++.++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++.>---------.+++++.<+.>+.++++++++.<<++.>++++++.---.+++++++..+++.<<. 18:33:40 ^rainbow hello 18:33:58 I guesss the bots are protected against triggering each other 18:34:05 probably a nick blacklist 18:35:28 That feel 18:35:28 asiekierka_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:35:37 when your VPS provider gives you a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP 18:35:42 and you want to host a Minecraft server 18:35:46 but your players run Hamachi. 18:35:56 fail 18:36:05 Get better players 18:36:48 FireFly: fungot has an ignore list, some (Gregor-bots?) also add a zero-width space in front of output so it doesn't trigger commands. 18:36:49 fizzie: afk for a while) 18:37:31 Hm, that's a clever trick 18:37:56 © 2011 Gregor Richards, all rights reserved 18:38:07 -!- neutrino2000 has joined. 18:38:12 It only adds it when the first character doesn't match [a-zA-Z0-9], btw. 18:38:13 Gregor: US patent #? 18:38:24 Even fancier. 18:40:28 is there a DNS hack to add a fallback IP address? 18:40:34 as we have a 5.0.0.0/8-range IP :< 18:42:48 I'm no Hamachi expert, but I've a feeling that you're just SOL no matter what DNS trickery you do, since it sounds likely Hamachi eats all 5/8 routing, and that's the IP your user eventually needs to communicate with. 18:45:36 A manual single-IP route for your IP (with the default gateway) sounds possibly worky, but hard to configure, and would need to be done by the affected user. 18:50:21 yes. 18:50:35 and the problem is, most European VPS providers are ONLY offering 5.0.0.0/8 now 18:50:43 and LogMeIn will probably not bother fixing it 18:50:56 essentially LogeMeIn will blame it on my provider and my provider will blame it on LogMeIn 18:50:57 kmc: The new #haskell, eh? 18:51:04 and the guy who has a dedi which hosts my VPS doesn't want to deal with tech supportr 18:52:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:53:11 LogMeIn can blame providers until they turn blue, doesn't make their address land grab any more legitimate. 18:57:44 So what do I do? 18:58:02 As an early representative of the newly emerging group of Screwed IP Owners 18:58:16 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:59:05 Aren't there reserved ranges they could've grabbed so long as they obviously don't care about rules X_X 18:59:17 Or, y'know, take some IPs from IBM :) 18:59:35 I think your options are somewhat limited to noisy complaining. Though there's a couple of those on the LogMeIn community forums already, and it doesn't seem to help. 19:00:20 There's the usual private IP blocks, but they didn't want conflicts with people's LANs. (I guess conflicts with the Internet are better.) 19:00:33 Does anyone use 10.128.0.0/9? 19:00:36 ...Really? 19:00:49 I might. 19:01:13 Wait, no, it's just below 128. But it was an arbitrarily chosen byte. 19:01:22 127? 19:01:23 :P 19:01:39 It's below 128 because it's the ASCII 'f' for 'fizzie'. 19:02:25 Lol 19:02:53 So I guess stophamachi.org time? 19:03:02 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:03:05 Oh wait. 19:03:08 The target won't even get there. 19:04:57 Whoa. Tommi Paalanen's last name ends with "la" *and* "nen". 19:06:05 tswett: shocking! 19:06:08 Although "paa" doesn't seem to be a word. Maybe it's supposed to be Päälänen. 19:06:46 Moilanen is a more common surname (8571 current owners) and also does. 19:07:16 (589 for Paalanen.) 19:07:48 My lifetime goal is to move to Finland and register cka.fi. 19:11:49 That's a really pathetic goal. 19:12:03 My favorite hobby is placing objects on top of cars. 19:12:12 MY lifetime goal is to figure out who bought libc.so, find him, and "convince" him to sell it to me on the cheap. 19:12:45 Isn't that kind of thing public information? 19:13:04 Also by 'on the cheap' I presume you mean like $10,000. 19:13:19 libc.so, the domain name. 19:13:33 tswett, you weren't there? 19:13:43 Gregor had money set aside and everything. 19:13:54